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I think I'm somewhat living in a alternative reality. The thing I see the most when coming from them is the fear of getting harmed by men, and at the same time they are obnoxiously comfortable with saying stuff like this from the shirts. Idek
/r/EverydayMisandry09/07/26 12:55 AM
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my fella in Christ, I have the big 'tism
/r/MensRights01/07/26 04:13 PM
1

If this helps you sleep, then great
/r/MensRights01/07/26 02:03 PM
2

The average incel is just rotting in his own bedroom while the media thinks he's planning on committing crimes
/r/MensRights26/06/26 08:00 PM
3

Finding a way to blame someone for their suicide and weaponizing empathy at the same time is a new level, ngl
/r/EverydayMisandry18/06/26 01:33 PM
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oh so NOW they don't have a problem with talking about biology?
/r/EverydayMisandry14/06/26 01:34 PM
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So does this same 'punch-down' logic apply to other groups like a considerable amount of black people being murdered by other black people as well? Or is it part of the 'privilege' of being above someone in the hierarchy while still getting beaten down by those above you and finding it rewarding even if it's harming you? Feeling unsafe is not the same as actually being unsafe. Men are far more likely to be murdered by both men and women - both from close ones and random people -, yet you rarely …
/r/MensRights19/05/26 08:43 PM
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Kinda like the claims of men's preference having roots from pedophilia - alongside the claims of men's preferences of big curves being unrealistic
/r/EverydayMisandry06/05/26 04:04 PM
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fucking amazing to hear that, of course
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/26 03:22 PM
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what does she mean with that assuming she's a feminist or at the very least agreeing with the leftovers of it, what does she mean with it? is it helping women? is it helping anyone at all? heck, is it doing anything other than reaffirming their beliefs? I mean it in the most honest way I can: there's a weird, disturbing pattern of movements who claim to deffend certain groups but can't stop themselves from spreading sheer horror
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/26 11:56 PM
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We're either a monolith or individuals fighting each other
/r/MensRights17/02/26 10:57 PM
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It's legit one of the most confusing movements I've ever seen I'm supposed to ignore everything men had to go through at the same bc somehow women had it worse - see the World End, Women Most Affected meme for example - even when it's specifically about men For example, non-straight men suffer from homophobia because it's... rooted in misogyny? Not even talking about how human beings tend to see everything that's different from the considered """normal""" as bad? We're supposed to believe that e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 07:15 PM
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It's a weird thing, honestly. I'm somewhat forced to be in this hateful position of not giving a f about what people might think about me at the same time I have to heal myself from everything I've been told since childhood I'm the kind of person who'll listen to nearly every person's perspective no matter how screwed or even bigoted it might, otherwise I don't have the proper tools to navigate through it, but damn, I avoid as much as possible any talk about intersectionality bc I know it's a ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 06:25 PM
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It's a weird situation bc I'd not call anyone else a parasite for not financially contributing, but I do feel like I'd be a parasite in any case, unfortunately
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 04:51 PM
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I hate that because, unfortunately, I can't be a provider and I'd feel like a parasyte. Yet, I have no problem with people going outside the so-called gender roles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 12:59 PM
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It's the weirdest but fastest example of self-awareness I've ever seen
/r/EverydayMisandry17/02/26 12:27 PM
12

It's MinorityScaling but in a flavor that pretends to taste otherwise. And somehow, even when they acknowledge the disadvantages of being a man, it's always on the premise of victim blaming ("culture of misogyny/pedophilia/rape")
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 11:05 AM
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They don't see problem in going back and forth about whether men have The Male Power to turn them into baby factories or if women are in fact The Powerful Gender due to, y'know, pregnancy, so I legit don't know what'd be the response
/r/EverydayMisandry16/02/26 07:34 PM
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is she splitting herself to make a baby all by herself? BC even with artificial insemination it'd be required to have a man or even: is she implying that women ARE baby factories?
/r/EverydayMisandry16/02/26 06:32 PM
8

San Andreas
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/26 07:59 PM
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Something something "wars are caused by men"
/r/MensRights15/02/26 05:22 PM
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Schrodinger's male hivemind We either have a fucking global chat group where we're 100% at the same page with each other or we're always disconnected, no in between
/r/MensRights15/02/26 05:21 PM
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It's Just World fallacy all over again
/r/EverydayMisandry13/02/26 12:48 PM
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Jesus Christ... I thought it was a meme or overexaggerated stuff. I guess it makes sense why I've seen so many women get away with clearly homophobic lines while I see others cishet men do their best to include everyone
/r/MensRights09/02/26 03:17 PM
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Holup, there are people who LEGIT believe women can't be homophobic?
/r/MensRights08/02/26 07:36 PM
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Also curious
/r/MensRights06/02/26 03:46 PM
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It's the big 26. I don't think AT ALL the average woman cares about being judged
/r/MensRights06/02/26 03:09 PM
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wtf even is a rapist vibes Does that imply that there IS a pattern to identify rapists
/r/MensRights06/02/26 03:04 PM
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Society on their way to discredit anything related to rape
/r/MensRights05/02/26 02:01 PM
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I share part of the same feelings. It hit me deeply when I found this sub and that, well, my bothering with feminism and society in general wasn't just me being salty in contrary to what society kept calling me
/r/MensRights02/02/26 03:04 PM
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Now they like to be "chased" like the traditional expectative? I do love the way they jump back and forth
/r/EverydayMisandry02/02/26 01:45 AM
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"A real man" is suddenly defined by women while we're seen as controlling and whatever is the current buzzword just by having basic standards, bare minimum even
/r/MensRights02/02/26 01:42 AM
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After at least 3-5 attempts of asking it to at least not automatically oppose me. I don't even expect an LLM to be a yesman, just not lecturing me could be a decent start
/r/MensRights01/02/26 12:00 AM
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Even earlier ChatGPT. Trying to ask anything even remotely non-feminist related gave me more and more lectures
/r/MensRights31/01/26 02:25 PM
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They put such effort in stretching EVERYTHING to be men's fault, even if they're actively suffering from it
/r/EverydayMisandry26/01/26 12:44 AM
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Same. Like, even if we undo a lot of the social conditioning, I still believe men would express differently than women
/r/MensRights24/01/26 08:12 PM
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A few years ago, I was more interested in studying trauma and emotional problems on my own. It clicked for me to see that, for example, not having the same facility in the social environment to understand clues while they called him a donkey had an overlap between being a man and a victim of emotional neglect. In a similar vein, there is also a certain overlap between autism and what is considered masculine behavior
/r/MensRights21/01/26 06:58 PM
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In all honesty, I don't even remember the last time I held hands with a woman. I also think the next time might as well be paid
/r/MensRights20/01/26 12:24 PM
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Plus, society doesn't treat women's usage of chatbots the same way as men. If a woman is using a AI chatbot? That's because men are sooooo trash and treating her badly to the point of recurring to a non-living robot. If a man is using a AI chatbot? That's because no woman can ever fulfill his idealization of what a woman should look and behave, all due to his porn-rotten-brain and deep rooted misogyny! I swear, I wish men were just 1/4 of all the evil that society thinks we are
/r/MensRights18/01/26 11:28 PM
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I'd say it's somewhat already uno-reversed
/r/EverydayMisandry18/01/26 07:39 PM
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And it sucks, honestly. What annoys me the most is when people - myself included - point that and they come up with the "Don't be a misogynistic/racist/transphobic/homophobic/ableist/fascist/nazi then" card
/r/MensRights18/01/26 01:10 PM
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I don't remember the exact context but I received a comment here that said about worker's rights being also MR by some extent. To this day I still think about it
/r/MensRights18/01/26 12:52 PM
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I hate to agree
/r/MensRights17/01/26 01:22 PM
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I like to call it OppressionScaling
/r/MensRights16/01/26 02:48 PM
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Somehow, the group seen as helpless and unable to do any sort of evil by themselves without the almos mythic manipulation from The Patriarchy is also the one miraculously helping and moving society as a whole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 02:07 PM
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It'd be unfair to compare it with a mother complaining because, with all due respect, a mother isn't (always) going to pull the Men Are Bad card
/r/MensRights14/01/26 02:01 AM
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My main question about all of that is: what are they trying to accomplish? Like, assuming that they believe in socialization above anything else and that there's no such thing as male or female nature, what do they mean with that?
/r/EverydayMisandry12/01/26 03:48 PM
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If a female politician is elected? Props for the women! If a female politician is not elected? The Damn Patriarchy Strikes Again!
/r/MensRights11/01/26 04:17 AM
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That's just their way of showing that they have homophobia and all the prejudices all under their sleeves again
/r/MensRights11/01/26 02:54 AM
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Feminism goes back and forth about women's autonomy Sometimes women are beings completely without autonomy and at the mercy of the Patriarchy whose actions are solely and exclusively the result of universal collective male gaslighting as present as the air we breathe. Also sometimes women are the Eugenic Filter who decides what kind of behavior can be passed down from generation to generation
/r/MensRights10/01/26 04:33 PM
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At this point, the term itself went through so much stretch it might as well fit into whatever feminists want
/r/MensRights10/01/26 03:05 AM
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not 100% related but it reminds me of r/WomenAreNotIntoMen
/r/MensRights09/01/26 09:33 PM
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This semantic argument infuriates me bc people start with a whole series of assumptions which seems to be the opposite of the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'
/r/MensRights07/01/26 03:23 AM
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I'm not even necessarily going into the merits of the discussion of whether it exists, since the epidemic of general loneliness already exists. My main point is that, for some reason, all the blame falls on us while the same doesn't happen to all the other groups. I don't even expect direct help — just not having that automatic judgment that it's our fault is already a good start
/r/MensRights07/01/26 03:19 AM
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I find myself in a weird spot about it. At the same time I find masculine stuff interesting like the jokes being a subtle way to test how far a mate can handle, well, jokes in general but also if he's in the same page, I also realize how much stuff like the expectative to be always 'manly' made me insecure. Maybe a middle ground, I suppose
/r/MensRights07/01/26 01:41 AM
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I hate to agree, unfortunately. Mainly on the subject of men in general telling each other not to cry or being emotive in general, I don't know how to exactly proceed about it. In general, it's still expected of men to be tough and emotionless. Not because there's some sort of hivemind just inventing problems
/r/MensRights07/01/26 12:46 AM
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Honestly, I don't even know what people mean with privilege nowadays
/r/MensRights31/12/25 12:21 AM
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Just to hear that "men aren't systematically-historically-structurally oppressed" or some shit like that
/r/MensRights28/12/25 07:30 PM
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are we surprised
/r/BlackPillScience28/12/25 02:49 PM
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We really went full circle to the point that being conservative is more revolutionary, huh. Dunno how to feel about that, honestly
/r/MensRights27/12/25 03:46 AM
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There's a bittersweet irony in seeing feminists STILL expecting men to move a single finger
/r/EverydayMisandry27/12/25 12:03 AM
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I hate to agree, even more since I value certain aspects of conservatism. A LOT of it is just pushing men to accept that we deserve shit while everyone else should count with our lives
/r/MensRights26/12/25 11:59 PM
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I am the only thing I have control over. As specific as it sounds, it's one of the few things that gets me out of my own mind
/r/MensRights26/12/25 02:58 PM
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To be fair, I don't really like Donald Trump and even then I don't think it'd be fair for me, a non-USA citizen, speak about it like I understand it. My perspective is a broader one
/r/MensRights18/12/25 12:13 PM
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I don't even expect active support, just not being hypocrite is a good step. It'd be a hypocrite to say I want the same masculinity standard to be pushed on boys/teens/men just like society did to me, but at least they were honest and true to their beliefs. Heck, I'd go as far to say that conservatives [but not conservatism itself] aren't that far from (radical) feminists seeing men as inherently beasts who need to be controlled. If anything, it's more of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" t…
/r/MensRights18/12/25 03:45 AM
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I like masculinity. Not denying it should be the standard, but also not pushing it should be the standard. I wasn't the most masculine dude - and I'm still far from that - but I do enjoy some of it. It's a weird spot
/r/MensRights18/12/25 03:11 AM
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Honest question: wtf do people like this want?
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/25 04:22 AM
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they REALLY believe men have some sort of natural Rapist Mode
/r/MensRights23/11/25 11:11 PM
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I'd LOVE being a person whose only goal is to take care of my cats and I'd rather taking that as a insult instead of being called a creep/incel/misogynistic/weirdo
/r/MensRights23/10/25 03:42 PM
5

I feel that, it's just that I personally feel slightly inclined towards the right. I'm always thinking "I might be wrong, tho" just in case
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:39 AM
5

I kinda get it, tbh. The research often comes heavily biased, and anything even slightly opposing that narrative feels like gold just because it’s so rare to come across
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:36 AM
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To me, it feels like collective gaslighting. I’m not against individuals who genuinely feel it’s their duty to sacrifice themselves for others — that’s their choice. What I’m against is turning that into an obligation imposed on an entire group
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:29 AM
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Honestly, I don’t even know how to respond other than saying this is the most honest and straightforward perspective I’ve ever heard from a leftist — and now it’s really making me question my own beliefs
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:22 AM
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First of all, thank you for clarifying that — I acknowledge I didn’t communicate it well with the generalization and the part about social constructions My main issue with this subset of ideas is how everything seems to be framed as a product of oppression, with an almost puritan mindset behind it
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:16 AM
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Even on the left, there’s still this expectation for men to “be manly” when it’s convenient. I do appreciate how the right gives men a sense of purpose, but I also dislike how it treats us as disposable at the same time
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:04 AM
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I don't agree with the idea that we live in a patriarchy but that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend women's issues aren't a thing nor anything remotely like that, just to clarify I also never got where this blaming brings us because I don't think the average Joe who's just living his life actually have any sort of fault for someone's oppressor just for existing. Even if I believed in the patriarchy, what does it even do to us if I kept feeling guilty for being a man? I hate repeating the same ar…
/r/MensRights06/04/25 11:54 PM
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Not only misandry but also racism by some extension
/r/EverydayMisandry04/04/25 04:01 PM
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I don't have much to add but I do want to highlight the awareness part. Just by not having men's struggles being automatically dismissed nor diminished is a good start
/r/MensRights04/04/25 02:24 PM
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Why did I get shivers from reading this quote?
/r/MensRights02/04/25 06:00 PM
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I can't deny I find it both funny and disconnected from reality the way feminism is commonly putting all about men as "male dominance", "male fantasy" male appeal's and all that stuff
/r/MensRights02/04/25 01:42 AM
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I also said that, unfortunately she doesn't seem to take it seriously. I'm not tolerating any of that anymore but it still saddens me she doesn't believe misandry exists
/r/MensRights02/04/25 01:40 AM
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And I thought it was a April Fools post
/r/EverydayMisandry01/04/25 11:56 PM
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Trust me, I tried a lot. She's a misandry denier because she's a firm believer that men are privileged so "it's not hatred against your kind" . The concept of a strict and solid hierarchy where men are always automatically at the top really makes people more insensitive towards men. I do love her and she acknowledges all the harm from my traumatic childhood+teens but she still can't grasp the impact of her misandry in my life
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:41 PM
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I'll focus on studying rhetorical appeals then. I don't plan on "recruiting" people - we can barely do anything - but I do plan on having a way to hold my ground with arguments and at least showing a impactful perspective
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:35 PM
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I also think about that since I can see it being used to justify bigotry and all sorts of bad stuff
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:22 PM
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I heard it has something to do with them preferring to be mercilessly killed by a bear than a man because a bear wouldn't have any malicious intention, although I did see A LOT of women genuinely believing they could use strategy against a bear. I'm in no way defending misandrists, just saying what I remember
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:20 PM
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To be honest, I really believe there should be some sort of requirements to become a parent
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:09 PM
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Honestly? That sounds interesting. Trying to defend myself instead of fighting back hasn't working so I might as well use their own tactics
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:06 PM
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Not so oddly enough, she wasn't like that. She always had some sort of inclination towards social movements and she wasn't in a healthy marriage so feminism being the only one to talk about sexism at the right time was partially a good thing After identifying as a feminist and developing a relationship with another feminist, things got bad. Quotes and discussions like "all men are potential rapists", "not all men but always a man", being openly toxic against me whenever I wasn't in pro-women act…
/r/MensRights01/04/25 11:04 PM
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Damn. I never stopped to think about using female prisons as a argument. Anyway, it still boggles my mind how so many people think like that - even worse when coming from feminists
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:47 PM
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We watched a show on Netflix focused on abusive relationships which has shown both sides being abusive. She acted as if there was no female abuser there and all the mentions from the show she could say was about women being abused rather than abuse itself
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:43 PM
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To be fair, she was a single mom for a veeeery long time
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:28 PM
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And I didn't denied that, I just said I can't deny there's some sort of protection that makes people think women are unable to do anything bad
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:28 PM
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I hate coming to this conclusion that sometimes I can't reason with people, I really hate it. I don't mean like I have some sort of undeniably right worldview - most of the time I'm rechecking my own perspectives - it just sucks when I can't convince someone that there's no inherent evil in a group of people
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:26 PM
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I half agree with that but I also don't think it's the right approach to not have any concern for men's lives nor deny the sexism on it. There's also the fact most criminals are second time offenders rather than most men being secretly criminals or with some obscure potential to be evil. I agree we still don't have a decent approach on men's problems but I also can't ignore there's some sort sort of unawareness or even denial of women also being able to be evil
/r/MensRights01/04/25 10:22 PM
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It's a not so subtle way to say men are the problem, I guess
/r/EverydayMisandry01/04/25 10:05 PM
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Videos like this https://youtu.be/pXHYV_H7owI I still didn't stop to watch this specific one tho
/r/MensRights31/03/25 12:20 PM
1

Those videos
/r/MensRights30/03/25 11:14 PM
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Honestly? Watch men-oriented videos and the kind of content that'd be seen as against feminism even if not purposely. I still want to see those videos of women deciding to live a day as a man so I suggest that too
/r/MensRights30/03/25 08:06 PM
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Which somehow seems less than the hatred coming from the left. Both sides still expect us to be manly and fulfilling a man's role without expecting gratitude but the left demonizes anything related to us. I'm not advocating for the right, tho
/r/MensRights29/03/25 05:46 PM
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And all the times I got harassed by women was always related to my virginity, even before inceldom was openly talked. Heck, even when I talked about feeling insufficient barely no one besides other men actually acknowledged my struggles - instead I had to hear that "complaining isn't going to get you anywhere" Even the idea that incels are dangerous is a strawman I'm tired of hearing. Besides statistics just showing that the amount of self called incels are a minority in murders, it's even a sor…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 07:20 PM
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They don't seem to take that as a defeat nor seeing us as a public worth talking about but rather a public to use for their ascension. I genuinely felt shivers seeing the Kamala ads trying to focus on us in the most stereotypical ways
/r/MensRights25/03/25 08:46 PM
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It's also part of the reason why I feel more and more inclined towards the right even though I have beliefs that'd put me as a leftist
/r/MensRights25/03/25 12:58 AM
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I'm not even surprised anymore an AI can be more empathetic than most people despite it "pretending" to have emotions
/r/MensRights24/03/25 06:31 PM
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I honestly wish I had met women like that in my life. Even on internet, only recently that I started putting myself into a "bubble" because trying to understand every side of everything and everyone's wasn't healthy for me
/r/MensRights22/03/25 10:01 PM
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Everything is men's fault, apparently
/r/EverydayMisandry20/03/25 03:12 PM
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I can't really talk about since I mutted most feminist subreddits I could but yeah, the double standards are everywhere and we're not supposed to point them
/r/MensRights20/03/25 02:48 PM
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FINALLY
/r/MensRights19/03/25 12:13 PM
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I never really thought about worker's rights being related to men's rights even though it's obvious. I also want to say I appreciate your insight on the topic especially because I always had some inclination towards the left but its guidelines always seemed to put me and everyone else who slightly disagree as some sort of evil. I'll always appreciate seeing people calling out mates who shares the same views like that
/r/MensRights19/03/25 12:59 AM
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I hate when it happens because groups and social movements/groups always end up like that
/r/MensRights18/03/25 10:57 PM
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Honestly, I don't even think the right is making any sort of move - it's just preferable to be with someone who's not actively hating and blaming you. I'm not even a rightist - I consider myself a centrist
/r/MensRights18/03/25 09:46 PM
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Also Idk if it's a discussion outside of my country but people from here question whether we should pay wives for taking care of the home
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:41 PM
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"B-but the domestic work!"
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:40 PM
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If I remember correctly, they claim it's about "women's liberation"
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:12 PM
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If anything, I think people are showing they do have certain bigotries that are ""accepted""" to have and doesn't seem to have any interest in self reflecting. At the end of the day, we just want to not be stuck with labels and sets of characteristics we didn't ask for
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:35 PM
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That's the funniest part to me because society shouldn't expect women to be gentle since that's sexist but society still expect men to be the ones defending everyone even when they're wrong
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:28 PM
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What the— not even in my creative moments I'd be able to craft such idea Damned if he didn't defend himself but also damned if he defend himself and ALSO damned if he has his mind in place to not reengage in a "fight" (which was more of a harassment)
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:26 PM
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Damned when self defending because that's what a manchild would do and damned when not self defending because if he didn't complain then he knows it's what he deserves
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:15 PM
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What— that's rude and criminally self centered. I don't know why I'm surprised
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:11 PM
3

Damn. Things are getting even more and more polarized than I thought then. Did you get a explanation at least?
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:07 PM
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It reminds me of all the bigotry I see coming from self called leftists once they find someone from a minority group who disagrees with them at the slightest. It's the pinnacle of bigotry
/r/MensRights18/03/25 06:52 PM
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I agree with that and I'm also in favor of raising awareness of people's struggles
/r/MensRights18/03/25 06:50 PM
1

I saw LGBTQ folks not having issues with rape and even death threatening her. Of course I'm not in favor of treating bigots with gentleness but I also don't think people should just abandon all their principles to turn into the kind of people they claim hating
/r/MensRights18/03/25 06:48 PM
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It's already a throw around term from the very beginning
/r/EverydayMisandry18/03/25 06:17 PM
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Sometimes I think they hate those who half agree or politely disagree with them more than those who actively hate them
/r/MensRights18/03/25 06:07 PM
3

It seems like the left is even into eugenics with all this bioessentialism which is, y'know, kinda contradictory to their own views? It's even highlighted when trans men ask if feminists and/or misandrics include them into the "Kill All Men" rhetoric and are met with "we didn't mean you" or "you're one of the good ones". Heck, even if we didn't talk specifically about trans folks it's still very fucked up to think a whole group of people is inherently evil and I'm not even talking about how they…
/r/MensRights18/03/25 06:05 PM
3

Now that you said, I do struggle when people avoid normally discussion and choose the personal attacks. Maybe trying to logic and reason with people who don't want to logic nor reason isn't the way
/r/MensRights18/03/25 05:54 PM
23

Yet, we are the oppressor and intolerant group for that. I don't even mean like going towards a political position, I just mean believing people can have different perspectives on the same topic and that doesn't mean they're literally reincarnated Hitler
/r/MensRights18/03/25 05:10 PM
3

I'm not tuned in US politics but I still hope things get better for us since it's the country. I don't even expect people becoming fully acceptive and understanding of our struggles in a short period of time, I just expect them not dismissing or diminishing us
/r/MensRights18/03/25 04:58 PM
1

To be fair, even most of us often undervalue other men. I'm not advocating to not calling it, just saying it's hard to not diminish our own kind when everyone else around us put in our minds we're disposable and inherently evil from the birth
/r/MensRights17/03/25 10:17 PM
3

Kinda? Not properly MRM but the disparity of how men are treated in comparison to women is getting more and more noticeable. It's not a right-wing thing but the way left is so easy to blame men for everything bad kinda pushes us so... kinda?
/r/MensRights15/03/25 10:24 PM
1

I have hopes
/r/MensRights12/03/25 11:04 PM
1

While I'm not against evolutionary psychology, trying to force anything on anyone isn't going to make people accept it all of sudden
/r/MensRights12/03/25 01:17 AM
19

Honestly, this. Part of me still thinks about feminism because "it fights for women's rights and equality" but then I also remember how it actually see us and all the stuff I went through without any sort of help because I'm a "privileged men who should deal with things by yourself"
/r/MensRights12/03/25 01:09 AM
2

You're welcome
/r/MensRights08/03/25 01:01 AM
2

Any group of men is seen as sexist, honestly
/r/MensRights07/03/25 11:40 PM
14

I guess it's about how breast cancer awareness is way more common than prostate cancer awareness along with the double standards
/r/MensRights07/03/25 08:23 PM
1

I fully agree, unfortunately. Sometimes it goes beyond just colors, even not wearing something flat as a no print t-shirt is seen as not masculine
/r/MensRights07/03/25 07:57 PM
3

"Men don't look for help because they're privileged" is surely a idea I can't entertain. I'm pretty sure there was at least two different men's movements, both partially related to feminism. It could be said about women as well since the percentage of women who identify as feminists is really low, yet it's not treated as such. Instead, they claim that women who don't support feminism are either afraid of men's reaction or waiting for validation
/r/MensRights07/03/25 07:29 PM
7

I heard that "misandry doesn't exist, it's just reframed misogyny" and it still boggles my mind how far they're compromised into not acknowledging nor caring about men
/r/MensRights07/03/25 07:11 PM
4

My childhood and teens was always about people from both genders bullying me but the female side was always the one who felt 'entitled' to hit me and expecting me not fighting back. For whatever combination of reasons, I never took it without retaliating. Needless to say I was seen as a "coward" for hitting women in my own self defense
/r/MensRights07/03/25 06:20 PM
3

How's proposing and showing affection to a friend seen as a evil thing? I swear I'll never understand. Even in cases where men start as friends it's always "he's a predator who was waiting for the right time because he doesn't see women as humans" kind of discourse and not taking into account the guy's feelings of fear or insecurity
/r/MensRights07/03/25 06:12 PM
4

And not knowing how to react to a violent woman is seen as a misogynistic thing even though we're been taught that we are the violent ones
/r/MensRights07/03/25 06:06 PM
5

Even nowadays I still struggle to understand what's going on with myself because my mom (and most women I've met in my life, honestly) always pressed me to be strong, emotionless and all that ol' stuff. Yet, I'm supposed to believe it's solely a oppression coming from men while women are unable to ever harm a single ant
/r/MensRights07/03/25 04:46 PM
0

Wouldn't it be more of a left wing movement then since it makes the Us (the good side? Vs Them (the evil side) separation thing? Honestly asking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 04:33 PM
2

Damned if we fight/talk back, damned if we don't
/r/MensRights24/02/25 07:06 PM
1

It's a lot so I'll try to wrap up my thoughts on that After reading some comments, I concluded that we do have to talk with people or at least try to discuss even if just showing data. I do believe both genders are different in certain aspects (which could be due from biological differences or socialization, maybe a mix of both) but I don't think women should do homework and all this same expectations, otherwise that's not equality if we're still reproducing the kind of pressure we're fighting a…
/r/MensRights12/01/25 04:43 AM
3

That's something I've been thinking about for a long time. I'd rather be poorly treated by someone who's equally treating everyone like shit than someone who's specifically treating me and my people like shit
/r/MensRights08/01/25 07:27 PM
8

I feel way more "friendly" by showing service rather than saying I care about someone. When I feel emotional then ofc I'll talk about it but I'm more of helping with services than words
/r/MensRights08/01/25 07:14 PM
5

As weird as it sounds, I was better treated by other men. Ngl, it always had oppression but it was different from both sides. For example, when a woman wanted to make fun of me for crying they'd say something like "men don't cry" and when a man wanted to make fun of me they'd say something like "you're a crybaby" instead. I'm not saying it's okay, I just wanted to highlight there were differences in the words
/r/MensRights08/01/25 07:11 PM
1

I don't even know how I'd be classified as. I agree with certain aspects of progressivism while also agreeing with certain aspects of conservatism
/r/MensRights06/01/25 01:22 PM
2

That's also a good point and I fully agree. Again, thank you for contributing to the discussion
/r/MensRights05/01/25 12:08 PM
3

I'm all for self-preservation, it's just hard to keep down to earth without going too far
/r/MensRights05/01/25 04:07 AM
0

Is it healthy? I thought about joining MGTOW because it was (at the time) the only man-focused place/community I had access but I don't know if it's really healthy this approach
/r/MensRights05/01/25 04:00 AM
1

Isn't that similar to the 4B movement? While I agree with not voting for people who are openly against us and not having relationships with those who see us as monsters, just to clarify
/r/MensRights05/01/25 03:49 AM
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Why is toxic masculinity when referring to us but it's just everything else when not referring to us? Things like being rough or not showing a wide variety of emotions is seen as toxic masculinity but with women it'd not be called like that nor as "toxic femininity"
/r/MensRights05/01/25 03:11 AM
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Actually, that's a good point and I thank you for showing a perspective I didn't even think about even though it was right in front of me. But even then, should we spend time specifically trying to argue with misandrics? Like, I think not everyone wants to believe we're evil because prejudice like that isn't something inherent from us and we should target these people
/r/MensRights05/01/25 03:05 AM
3

I'm not advocating we should just get used to people claiming we're all potential rapists and all that same shit, I think we should recognize and accept that bigoted people simply aren't worth discussing with. If you really want to throw your two cents on it then that's okay, just don't try to engage with it in a discussion
/r/MensRights05/01/25 02:58 AM
3

I don't even expect something absurd like going out of their house to hug random guys, I just want to have my problems seen as actual problems like I do with them
/r/MensRights04/01/25 09:13 PM
5

Along with automatically considering any sort of men-focused community as misogynistic
/r/MensRights03/01/25 02:08 PM
7

To this day I still have to undo all the brainwashing caused by growing in a radfem environment during my teen age
/r/MensRights03/01/25 01:41 AM
25

Not entirely related but seeing there are places where we can find research about men without being too outdated gives me hope
/r/MensRights02/01/25 03:22 PM
2

I feel like I have to restudy history and every single aspect of human behavior because of what feminism has done to me. Heck, I was brainwashed into thinking men are inherently evil while women were wronged. I don't even know if any of the "historical oppression" women suffered even happened due to it seemingly being related to feminism revisionism
/r/MensRights01/01/25 11:31 PM
2

Finally, a less complicated way we can help
/r/MensRights01/01/25 02:24 PM
2

"Why did no one anywhere else talk about this?" at this point is the only thing I can think of whenever I visit this sub, most of the time when I look at data. Even the (currently) few discussions I had about MRM In other social media still went with the premise of it having no advancements, some of these even helped women yet no one ever talked about it
/r/MensRights01/01/25 02:23 PM
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From what I saw, there's no body positivity focusing on men. Their propaganda isn't even gender neutral, it's straight up focusing on women because apparently men don't have any sort of insecurities nor are able to suffer from bodyshaming
/r/MensRights01/01/25 02:13 PM
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I like to think there's a certain loop about MRM whenever we argue with feminists Feminists: it's not our job to help men because they're part of the oppressor group and men don't have problems Men: alright then we'll just discuss it on men's rights communities Feminists: it's useless to participate in men's rights movement is useless because feminism already deals with men's problems
/r/MensRights01/01/25 02:07 PM
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It kinda reminds me of the double standards again. Feminism claims that someone's body count doesn't matter until it comes to talk about a virgin, kissless man
/r/MensRights01/01/25 01:09 AM
2

Not exactly related but I appreciate the correlation to biological inclination. Something that always frustrated me is the fact I never saw feminism talking about how men and women are inherently different and have biological and instinctive inclinations. Actually, the only time I saw feminism talking in a biological aspect was to say that men are inherently evil
/r/MensRights31/12/24 09:53 AM
1

I don't have a single clue
/r/MensRights31/12/24 09:37 AM
1

Somehow, men are also to blame if they kill themselves yet we're supposed to believe there is a patriarchy which somehow harms men
/r/MensRights31/12/24 12:24 AM
1

Ikr? I'm still waiting to see what this male privilege is and where tf is this payment
/r/MensRights31/12/24 12:19 AM
1

That's scary to think about. I wasn't even aware there was a Men's Rights community, let alone in Reddit of all places. I don't like recurring to manosphere again
/r/MensRights30/12/24 11:35 PM
2

So how can we do it? Is it as simple as sending them a email?
/r/MensRights30/12/24 11:30 PM
1

That's a really big list— How do we even start? Like, what'd be the least complicated?
/r/MensRights30/12/24 11:18 PM
1

If we want to build a better place then we should start it where we already are and make it easier to find the same information we struggled to gather
/r/MensRights30/12/24 11:12 PM
8

As much as I hate saying it, I feel the same about doubting information coming from feminists. I try my best to not let my biases talk louder but it just hurts by remembering I spent my whole teens thinking I was a potential monster for being a man while none of them made any sort of effort to explain any of the data they showed besides saying "If there's a lot of rape happening then there's a lot of rapists!"
/r/MensRights30/12/24 09:57 PM
4

Yet we don't see a whole movement of men saying we should fear ourselves
/r/MensRights30/12/24 08:44 PM
4

According to what I heard, things like not fearing about being raped or robbed when going outside at night. It doesn't exactly match their fears because most rapes are from "powerful" people and from a specific group instead of just happening at night while men are most likely to being robbed, tho
/r/MensRights30/12/24 08:27 PM
5

I'm not the kind of feeling emotional by reading, yet here I am... As much as I hate sounding pessimistic, I fear this study might say something like "false victims accuse because they're afraid the cops wouldn't take her seriously"
/r/MensRights30/12/24 08:22 PM
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That's just a whole different level of collective gaslight in which we don't have any tools to at least find a clue of what just happened
/r/MensRights30/12/24 08:16 PM
8

A bit late but how do I search about it? Not doubting in bad faith, it's just hard to find this kind of piece of history without knowing exactly what to type?
/r/MensRights30/12/24 08:13 PM
6

Speaking about cope post election, it kinda reminds me of the way social media was filled with feminists trying to "avoid any sort of contact with men at all costs" after Trump won
/r/MensRights30/12/24 07:36 PM
3

Even when trying to restudy history it seems like there's no place for me to do it. Changing search engine didn't have that much impact for me and the best I can do is to almost hold myself into sites showing history without this revisionism and even then still making sure to differentiate
/r/MensRights30/12/24 07:26 PM
2

Now that I think, it makes a lot of sense once I think it's common to just throw the word oppression. There are inequalities but I don't know if it perfectly fits. I might be wrong tho
/r/MensRights30/12/24 07:18 PM
4

I hate thinking like this because it reminds me of a time when I didn't have anyone else to validate my struggles other than blackpill/incel forums
/r/MensRights30/12/24 07:14 PM
9

Not exactly related but it's so fucking HARD to actually understand history after being raised by feminists. I feel like I have to deconstruct my mind from thinking I'm "dumb" for being a man or that all remotely negative traits come from it
/r/MensRights30/12/24 07:11 PM
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I'll never forget that once women started to surpass men in education feminism didn't give a shit about men because it never acknowledged that men suffer discrimination from the teachers. I even heard "well maybe men are just dumb"
/r/MensRights30/12/24 06:53 PM
4

It's not inherently a man problem but I'm a firm believer both sides suffer from objectification in different ways While women are only reduced to their birth capacities, men are only reduced to their physical work capacities
/r/MensRights30/12/24 06:51 PM
4

I don't know how to also properly explain the way both men and women are oppressed. I can't say women are living in easy mode nor anything similar but I can't say we're living the best lives either and this shit blocks any potential thought in my head
/r/MensRights30/12/24 06:48 PM
1

Feminists are doing the very same thing while excusing themselves. I can't say for everyone but I suppose misogyny isn't incentivized here and it shouldn't be allowed here. I don't know if you're doing the same on feminist subreddits tho
/r/MensRights30/12/24 12:08 AM
2

With all respect, what are you even doing? How's it contributing with the discussion at all?
/r/MensRights29/12/24 06:30 PM
2

As much as I hate saying this kind of discourse since it's hard to not let my biases from personal experiences talk over a whole group, I can't deny that most of the absurd shits I've ever seen came from lesbian and bi feminists. I'm not going to disguise it as some sort of excuse because that'd be the same thing feminism did against us
/r/MensRights29/12/24 06:22 PM
1

I'll never forget the feeling of seeing for the first time a bunch of data and statistics about women killing as much as men except most of the time it's in subtle ways. Not only it felt like fresh air after all the data pushed by the media and feminism being about men but also a feeling of... clarifying things. I also had so many questions like "why did they never show us any of this?"
/r/MensRights29/12/24 06:18 PM
1

What does it have to do? From what I understand, it has to do with men letting spaces once women start to "dominate" there. I might be wrong tho
/r/MensRights29/12/24 06:05 PM
1

I still can imagine a way feminism would blame patriarchy for it
/r/MensRights29/12/24 05:48 PM
1

Wars with women instead of men? I can't even imagine such a thing and now I'm curious af
/r/MensRights29/12/24 04:39 PM
2

He says he loves us but I just can't see how that's love. We constantly see him prioritizing his other families while he put in effort to seem like the poorest man whenever we tried to ask for help even after the divorce
/r/MensRights29/12/24 02:23 PM
1

My father wasn't the best nor anything really similar. My ex stepmom entered right after my parents divorced even though there was barely any affection coming from him, in fact he still denies it whenever I try to talk about the ways he harmed me both on a physical and psychological aspect
/r/MensRights29/12/24 02:11 PM
2

I'd use it. Heck, most of the few close friends I just met by basically saying "I like X thing and I see you also like X thing" both virtually and irl
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:58 AM
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I like to think that feminism is like a Schrodinger case except it's more about convenience for its narrative Whenever a man commits a crime it's either due to men being biologically evil or due to socialization. It claims to fight against gender roles except when it comes to men because there's no way they're planning not to make it obligatory for men. It constantly talks about fighting against objectifying women by being against porn, yet it's somehow "empowering" to support artists whose enti…
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:50 AM
2

Don't you see? It's all patriarchy's fault!!! How can you not see that a whole society built for men is also the main cause of men's death???? Obviously you're a misogynistic who wants women's death!!! (needless to say it's a joke but well, just to clarify)
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:42 AM
3

On a somewhat related topic, do you find therapy good? The last time I went it was terrible and apparently therapy was made with women in mind (I still have to check it, tho) which would explain why it never felt fitting for me but I'm open to different opinions
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:39 AM
1

Even though it's not entirely related nor a 1:1 comparison, his case reminds me I almost got a false accusation from my ex stepmom — in which she started putting her hand in my neck and obviously I had to take it from me. If it wasn't for my mom who had to prevent her from going to the police and accusing me of physical violence (even though I just took her hand from my neck), God knows what'd have happened to me
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:35 AM
2

The last part genuinely triggers me because SOMEHOW it's also men's fault if we're sent to war
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:31 AM
4

I guess it's better like it is then. I may not be changing the world and not saving guys from false accusations but if there's any possibility of helping someone else who would stumble on these discussions then I'll do my best
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:27 AM
1

I really expect it, I REALLY expect it. They have such a degrading language and perspective with the false premise of using the "radical" to act like they're going in the roots of feminism while barely disguising their hatred, sometimes not even trying to hide it
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:25 AM
3

I feel like I just found a gem. It kinda reminds me of X/Twitter which even though it has a fair share of toxicity it was also one of the few places where I met people discussing men's struggles, yet somehow we're called misogynistic for that
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:22 AM
2

Not entirely related and surely not adding that much but even then they're somehow against the men who are in favor of them. Along with that, even feminists still expect men to fulfill the provider role
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:20 AM
1

Somehow it's also patriarchy's fault even if it's supposed to be a society made for men. Even if hypothetically that was the case, I never saw a single feminist actually doing something about it It's common for feminists to complain that men aren't engaging with feminism due to misogyny, yet I still have to see a single time of a feminist at very fucking least not ignoring men's suicide statistics As unpopular as it might be, I have no particular problem with feminism fighting against misogyny b…
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:16 AM
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I'm aware of that, in fact there was a LOT more of it — discourses like "everyone who isn't in favor of feminism is in favor of the patriarchy" being followed by "anyone who's not in favor of us should be seen as enemies". It gets worse once I discovered they were quite tame in comparison to their feminist friends Even though nowadays my mom acknowledges the harm she has done and constantly tries to be a better person, I can't deny it's hard to have any sort of faith in feminism. Not "just" beca…
/r/MensRights29/12/24 10:09 AM
4

The more I think about it, the more it feels like feminism is sustained over fallacies and accusations
/r/MensRights29/12/24 01:02 AM
5

Along with that, I think people pretend it's only about physical or verbal violence even though feminism constantly talks about misogyny not being summarized as physical or verbal violence. Double standards I guess
/r/MensRights29/12/24 12:46 AM
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The thing that bothers me the most is how fucking hidden all kinds of info and data about women's violence against men are kept. My subconscious always thinks there's something wrong if it's too hidden but this time it's the fact that mainstream media keeps hiding it that's wrong
/r/MensRights29/12/24 12:09 AM
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I don't even know why we still need to say that. They expect everyone to see feminism only as a pro-woman movement even though it keeps sustaining fallacies and straight up untrue facts
/r/MensRights28/12/24 11:54 PM
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It kinda reminds me of the way feminism tries to count hiring a prostitute as rape
/r/MensRights28/12/24 09:39 PM
12

I even stopped reading a book just to agree with it. Feminists don't seem to have any sort of interest in talking about male victims because "it doesn't happen as much" which not only is a lie but also shows they're not actually in favor of equality. They love saying we're selfish and misogynistic for expecting them to do something about it but they're the ones who claim to be in favor of equality If we're allies of them then they see us as predators. If we're against them and go our ways by MRM…
/r/MensRights28/12/24 09:19 PM
4

I'm interested in watching it, ngl. I'm actually wondering how to join MRM or at very least support it
/r/MensRights28/12/24 08:49 PM
11

Whenever I say that'd be terrible to say something even remotely similar about literally any other group they start to do mental gymnastics to explain how men aren't oppressed and how "women don't have systematic power" to do that. I even saw radfems saying that misandry is just misogyny extended due to the patriarchy
/r/MensRights28/12/24 08:46 PM
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To me, it feels like feminism is a Schrodinger case. Sometimes men are inherently evil while also sometimes men are like that due to socialization. Sometimes feminism is about equality while also sometimes it has never done a single effort to tackle men's struggles. Sometimes it talks about even jokes being part of the problem but also sometimes it doesn't have any sort of disincentive whenever women are making jokes of men's suicide statistics
/r/MensRights28/12/24 08:44 PM
7

Yet, the narrative of a patriarchy keeps being pushed. I honestly don't know what it'd be, I just don't think a society where men have less rights than women while also being the side who dies the most either by violence or suicide can be seen as a society made for men. Even the idea of it "backfiring" doesn't make any sense the more I think about it and it gets worse combining with the fact data showing men being oppressed is constantly not mainstreamed
/r/MensRights28/12/24 08:40 PM
5

It reminds me that even after "successfully" fighting against gender roles, society expects us to do all the hardwork while somehow feminists claim it's harder to do home tasks than risking our lives on a daily basis for people's security
/r/MensRights28/12/24 08:34 PM
12

Abortion is straight up murder and I still don't know why people put in so much effort to diminish a baby's life along with moving the focus of the discussion by saying "why do you care about what'll happen with a fetus instead of a woman?" or claiming it's about body autonomy while pretending they're not carrying a life. Ngl, I didn't know at all about the whole rest, I just wanted to specifically emphasize that feminists and even non feminists will do the most absurd mental gymnastics to say t…
/r/MensRights28/12/24 07:06 PM
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And even then it never felt really right to me. Heck, how does anyone even come to this conclusion?
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:43 PM
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I was only aware of the wage gap being a fallacy but the whole rest especially both rape parts because they always pictured it as impossible for a man to be raped and about things like "rape culture" which never felt right but I couldn't really debunk their data as a teenager with bare internet access
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:40 PM
5

I googled and I'm already interested. Any content not fully agreeing with feminism to me feels even therapeutic
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:35 PM
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I feel betrayed and even animalized by the same people who claimed to fight against gender equality. At this point I'm not even expecting feminists to fight for our rights, I just don't want my struggles to be made fun of They claim that men often don't see their problems yet the very fact they can talk about it and be applauded as empowered women while we're seen as extremists just by saying "isn't the men's suicide statistics concerning at least?"
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:29 PM
1

I'm late af but I'm relieved I wasn't the only one thinking about how contradictory it's the patriarchy argument where men are also oppressed by the system that's supposed to privilege us
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