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Fundamentals jsbach123/r/seduction20/05/26 11:22 AM
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Fundamentalsjsbach123/r/seduction28/09/21 11:19 AM
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Fundamentals jsbach123/r/seduction23/04/26 07:21 PM
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Fundamentalsjsbach123/r/seduction05/05/20 09:23 AM
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Fundamentalsjsbach123/r/seduction20/05/20 04:16 AM
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Inner Game jsbach123/r/seduction14/06/22 05:00 PM
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jsbach123/r/seduction08/01/17 09:29 PM
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I'll never have a girlfriend or wife under a 7. I'd rather remain forever single than go lower than a 7. The thought of a 4 sleeping next to me is repulsive. The trick is not to lower standards. It's to raise your attractiveness so you can get better. For guys, getting better physically is actually the easy part. Much harder is to develop great social skills and make women enjoy talking to you.
/r/seduction10/07/26 09:59 AM
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Bro, not a good idea to use a comic book fiction movie to get seduction advice.
/r/seduction10/07/26 06:28 AM
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Why do legit posts get deleted immediately but this post stays up for a long time?
/r/seduction10/07/26 06:27 AM
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The ChatGPT is strong with this one.
/r/seduction08/07/26 05:58 PM
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The best move is to walk away. If you walk away, there's a 20% chance she'll change her mind. She'll see you have backbone. She'll assume you have other chicks lined up. She'll then see you in a more positive light. If you don't walk away and keep trying, the chance falls to 0%. No woman ever respects a man she rejected but she still keeps coming. PATHETIC. So you just gotta play the odds. 20% chance is better than 0%.
/r/seduction08/07/26 11:40 AM
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It's hard to "game" in India when there's so much emphasis on arranged marriages. It's probably best to go on dating websites as it naturally filters out people expecting to be arranged.
/r/seduction08/07/26 10:18 AM
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If she doesn't see you as a long-term partner but you're still her orbiter, it's pretty much over for you. Women NEVER feel attracted to orbiters, sees them as pathetic. If you walked away, there's a 20% chance she'll reconsider once she realizes you have emotional strength. She'll also assume you have other chicks lined up and that would pique her interest. But if you refuse to walk away, there's 0% chance she's reconsider you. You just have to play the odds.
/r/seduction08/07/26 09:28 AM
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I think the OP's also being sarcastic.
/r/seduction08/07/26 07:20 AM
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Yeah you need a great opener, then stack forward. Remember to kino escalate and look for IOIs.
/r/seduction08/07/26 04:47 AM
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Why not buy a copy and read the book?
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:46 PM
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I'm a normal guy currently in a three year relationship. It pisses me off when my 100% incel friends who's never been on a date would argue with me about seduction and attraction.
/r/seduction07/07/26 10:58 AM
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The truth is, women are very forgiving when it comes to a man's appearance. But she's brutally unforgiving when it comes to a man's behavior. Doesn't matter if the guy is short, bald, weak jawline, etc. If he feels he's the shit and has great social skills, he's gonna score more girls than the tall guy with full hair and strong jawline but with only average social skills. Edit: We all see physically unattractive guys in relationships and dating everyday. They're everywhere on the streets. Yet, t…
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:26 AM
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Bro, stop having long conversations. Once you get a conversation going (presumably thru socials or text), ask her to meet you for coffee. Don't just chat and hold your dick. Some women simply have no desire to meet, only to be a chat buddy and get another orbiter.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:10 AM
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I think you need to remember there is no formula. You have to vibe with the girl. Once you sense conversation is slowing down, you say something like "hey you know, let's exchange Instagrams". After that, you part ways. NEVER overstay your welcome. That's the #1 sign you are socially awkward and she'll want nothing to do with you. I know I'm giving a vague answer. But there's no "formula". You just have read signs of her wanting conversation to end. For example, she's not asking about you in ret…
/r/seduction06/07/26 09:53 AM
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To hit on 9s and 10s, she must think you're also a 9 or 10. So work on your social skills and your physical appearance. Get your life in order. Don't think there's some formula. Anyone who says they have a formula or a PUA line is full of shit.
/r/seduction05/07/26 12:28 PM
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The best way to reply is to agree with exaggerating. "Oh totally...I never thought I'd have a day like this".
/r/seduction05/07/26 08:23 AM
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What else? Keep talking and talking and talking?
/r/seduction05/07/26 08:21 AM
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Why do you have to follow so many philosophers just to respond to a simple question?
/r/seduction04/07/26 05:42 PM
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If you're talking about your own experiences, why do you keep referring to what other guys do? "They sound like every other guy" or "They sound like a complete stranger". How would you know what other guys do? Bro, if you really were rejected 1,000 times last year, your post doesn't sound like it. You should have talked about your trial and error process and what you did wrong versus what you've corrected.
/r/seduction04/07/26 02:30 PM
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What he's saying is, if you chase chicks, you're not gonna get laid.
/r/seduction04/07/26 07:54 AM
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That's your problem, bro. If you expect women to invite you to approach, then don't complain about not meeting anyone. The vast majority of the time, they're just not gonna initiate. That's your job.
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:56 PM
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If you're at a social event, how do you approach someone?
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:48 PM
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First, you're a very young guy. You still have 10-12 years in the dating pool. Second, just lose the weight, bro. That's entirely in your control. Third, since you know the issue, then work on it. Lots of incels don't know they're the problem and prefer to blame others. Get your social skills improved before you try hitting up women.
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:24 AM
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Bro, don't move to a city just to do pickup and meet women. That's really sad.
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:22 PM
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It's really best not to get clever or be a joker. If you say "Hello, I love your scarf...Woof", she's gonna think you're neurodivergent.
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:55 PM
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Hello I like your [article of clothing].
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:08 PM
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Sorry bro I'll disagree with this. Getting her IG is better than nothing. You might as well send a few IG messages to see where it leads. You literally have nothing to lose. If nothing, you can always unfollow her. Messaging her on IG (and failing) doesn't mean you need to keep being her orbiter forever.
/r/seduction01/07/26 08:13 AM
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If her and I were on a couch, I would get real close. I mean REAL close. See if she pulls away. If she doesn't pull away, then my arm goes around her shoulder. If no resistance, then eventually my other arm would start stroking her leg. If she comes to your place, she already expects nasty stuff. That's why she's there.
/r/seduction30/06/26 10:26 AM
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They're are so many neurodivergent guys on Reddit who say everybody hates them because they're ugly. They don't know that nobody will hate someone just for being ugly. They get hated for behaving poorly.
/r/seduction29/06/26 09:27 PM
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Just say a "rich girl" then.
/r/seduction29/06/26 09:25 PM
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Bro, nobody knows what you mean when you say a girl is expensive.
/r/seduction29/06/26 09:20 PM
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C'mon...he can be a 0 and women wont' be rude. Women won't be bitchy towards you just because they think you're "ugly".
/r/seduction29/06/26 07:14 PM
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We all will encounter bitchy people. But if it's happening almost all the time, you have to work on your social skills. Likely, you're coming off as being creepy, desperate or aggressive. Ask your friend to be really honest with you and tell you what you might be doing wrong. Likely, you don't know you're doing it. Your friend might not wanna tell you the truth for fear of not wanting to hurt your feelings. But tell him protecting your feelings will not help you improve.
/r/seduction29/06/26 07:12 PM
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Bro, if your'e 40 plus and walking around a university campus looking at girls, someone will call the police.
/r/seduction29/06/26 04:57 PM
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Don't kid yourself. If James Bond was real, he'd be swiping on Tinder.
/r/seduction29/06/26 12:10 PM
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Realistically, you can still hit ladies from age 30 and up. Forget college girls.
/r/seduction29/06/26 12:08 PM
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I've been on this forum for almost ten years. A long time ago, this forum was awesome and moderation was very low. But it seems a a few years ago, this forum got reported and stands at risk of being deleted entirely by Reddit. A victim of political correctness and wokeness. It'd be nice to have a near unmoderated forum for guys and seduction. Go back to the old days when Reddit didn't exist.
/r/seduction28/06/26 08:50 PM
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People who overthink and applies all these crazy rules are exactly the type girls don't want to get into a relationship with.
/r/seduction28/06/26 09:41 AM
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If this is a coworker or someone you will see again, it's actually a good idea to let the conversation end and walk away once it's dying down. Leave them wanting more. Nothing kills your charisma faster then forcing conversation to drag on.
/r/seduction28/06/26 04:58 AM
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Why are you in therapy?
/r/seduction27/06/26 09:41 AM
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This is exactly why dating apps are so shitty. Dating apps attract crap people from both genders. From the women side, you have chicks who are a 3 but acts like a 10. From the men side, you have the incel desperate creeps. In fact, that's why the 3s can act like 10s on dating apps. Because the vast army of incels keep messaging and validating these ladies. That's why it's best to meet in-person, which is what people did before the internet. Don't be cynical. There are normal people out there. Us…
/r/seduction25/06/26 08:28 PM
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Why not keep banging the 4s and 5s while finding others?
/r/seduction25/06/26 05:33 PM
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This is exactly how it sounds if you ask Gemini for dating advice.
/r/seduction25/06/26 12:10 PM
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Guys are much simpler and direct. If he thinks you're good looking, be a bit naughty and have a feminine vibe (I hate to say this word, but a "submissive" vibe), then he'll like you. That's virtually 90% of it. Guys just don't do friendzoning. It's not likely you giving off "girlfriend energy" would chase him away. The only exception are guys who are only out for sex. But if he's indeed out just for sex, then whether you give off this vibe wouldn't matter.
/r/seduction22/06/26 05:08 PM
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Getting mad does absolutely nothing. Neither does asking for an apology. The best is just to walk away. If they flake two times in a row, you just don't ask them out anymore. If they're late over 30 minutes without a legit excuse and didn't keep you updated, you leave the scene. If they eventually ask you out or reschedule, you say the meeting place is at your place. As for being friend zoned, that's not a shit test. She's just not interested in you.
/r/seduction22/06/26 03:54 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm gonna call BS on your story. 5'10 is already quite tall. In fact, if a guy who's 5'10 and another who is 6'0 walked by you, you wouldn't notice the difference. I don't think there'll be any difference in getting attention between a guy who's 5'10 and 6'4 (all else considered equal). There is another factor here.
/r/seduction22/06/26 10:18 AM
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This reminds me of a particular Dos Equis commerical. The guy said, "Wingman? It doesn't take more than one person to talk to a woman".
/r/seduction22/06/26 09:17 AM
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I've had remotely similar things happening although not as obvious as yours. I'd be on vacation with a friend group and I'd be in the company of someone new. On the vacation, we'd flirt and get touchy. But after the vacation, I would write her and get no reply or lackluster reply. This has happened to me many times. When people are on vacation, they get into a different mode and develop a sense of inhibition. Once vacation is over, they come back to Earth and think clearer. That's when they lose…
/r/seduction22/06/26 09:15 AM
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If the other person has a financial incentive, I wouldn't put much weight in their signs of interest. To show real interest, she'd need to do something extremely out of the way and not just give a "look". I have a buddy who is neurodivergent. Once we were at a bank and after we left, he kept saying how the employee was flirting with him. I didn't have the heart to tell him what she did was just normal customer service. If she was genuinely giving you "the look" and was interested, she'd make it …
/r/seduction22/06/26 09:09 AM
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When you complain only handsome guys are getting action on dating apps, you're forgetting something very basic: The ratio of men to women is 1:1. That means, there's literally someone for everyone. The only question is how much you're willing to settle. For average guys unwilling to settle, they should get off dating apps and go out to meet in-person. Because on apps, you're reduced to basic numbers: income, height, age, ethnicity, etc. Women aren't doing this because they're shallow. They do it…
/r/seduction20/06/26 11:27 AM
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I agree with the "more attractive than you believe" part. So I'm a short Asian dude at 5'4. I have a girlfriend now and in my 40s. When I think back at my high school and college years, there were many times girls were aggressive with me and flirted. But I always blew off these chances because I thought I was too short, too nerdy, too awkward, etc. But thinking back, it was so obvious the flirting was happening. I think us guys are conditioned to believe we're not attractive, need to bulk up and…
/r/seduction19/06/26 05:01 PM
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Your bigger concern should be getting kicked out by bouncers. I can't imagine any women rated over a 2 accept such an abrupt offer.
/r/seduction18/06/26 11:38 AM
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How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie is the best selling self-help book of all time for a reason. It's great at discussing the basics.
/r/seduction16/06/26 05:38 PM
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Bro it's pathetic being that obsessed with women.
/r/seduction16/06/26 06:39 AM
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No way. The 9s and 10s definitely get hit on way more than the 5s. Dream on if you think the 5s are getting approached all the time. Beautiful women are more approachable and friendly because they've had better experiences with men. The average ones aren't treated as well and don't get as much attention. So they're likelier to see men as adversaries.
/r/seduction15/06/26 07:49 PM
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You need to stop worrying about this "ruin the friendship" stuff. That's the risk you take. If she's cuddling up against you, that's practically an invitation for you to physically escalate. You put your arms around her. You wrap your arm around her. A full kiss on lips might be too forward but I'd peck her on her cheeks. If you've misread the vibe, she'll pull back. If she doesn't, she's welcoming your escalation.
/r/seduction13/06/26 10:10 AM
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I don't think any woman would say they don't want to be approached. They just don't want to be approached in a creepy way by someone who can't take a hint. Money is often way overstated as a factor in attraction. There are shit load of software engineers in some Silicon Valley tech firm who earn big $$$ (mostly Asian guys) who complain not getting girls. Then you have the dude who works at Burger King next to that tech firm who's pulling down huge numbers.
/r/seduction11/06/26 02:04 PM
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I'd jerk off about four hours before she comes over. Hopefully that'll make you last longer.
/r/seduction11/06/26 01:59 PM
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It's jealousy. What guy in his 40s wouldn't wanna successfully hit up ladies in their 20s?
/r/seduction11/06/26 01:15 PM
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I agree with most who've responded. Look bro. If you're not the cocky funny type, don't fake it. If she meets you in-person and doesn't sense you're genuinely cocky funny, your entire frame crumbles. She'll know you're just another poser. Women are highly perceptive and trusts their instincts. She can sense what you say and how you feel is different. Instead of a cocky funny reply, just be humble and vulnerable. "Oh haha I wanted to talk about bars because I hoped we can meet for drinks".
/r/seduction11/06/26 12:56 PM
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It's real and it's a numbers game. Why can't they both be true?
/r/seduction10/06/26 11:09 AM
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A 7 with a good body is a 9.
/r/seduction09/06/26 08:34 PM
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Of course cold approach is better. Before the internet age, that's how most people met. When you're on dating apps, women will reduce you to just your stats. They're not necessarily being shallow. Those stats are all they have to go on when seeing a countless ocean of profiles. But with in-person approach, you can use charm to overcome those stats. You're also doing something that 95% of men are too scared to do these days. That'll immediately move you above the crowd.
/r/seduction31/05/26 04:00 PM
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Women are extremely observant and intuitive. They know when your actions betray your words. They know you're insecure even if you act secure. That's why all these PUA games to feign confidence are doomed to failure. All guys need to work out their issues, not hide them.
/r/seduction31/05/26 03:55 PM
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Are you in jail? I don't know of any area where the gender ratio is that skewed.
/r/seduction29/05/26 04:55 PM
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Meeting in bars and club is cold approaching.
/r/seduction29/05/26 04:53 PM
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Why wouldn't it he close to 1-to-1?
/r/seduction29/05/26 04:03 PM
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But it also means less competition from other guys.
/r/seduction29/05/26 11:10 AM
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When people say cold approaching is creepy, they don't seem to understand that before the internet age, that's how most people met. You were at a social event or a random public place and you start up a chat with a stranger.
/r/seduction28/05/26 07:57 AM
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With your specs, it's actually better to cold approach than to use dating apps. In our unfair world, a lot of women will use the app's filter to filter you out because of your height/weight. The great thing about cold approach is, first you know if she's attractive. Second, you can rely on your charm right away. The only bad thing is, you don't know if she's looking. At least on an app, you know she's looking. Still, cold approach is better than dating apps for everybody but I think particular f…
/r/seduction24/05/26 11:44 AM
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Here's how I tell... The way she treats me, I imagine her treating another guy in the exact same way. Then I ask, does it look like she likes him? I find doing this, I can see things more objectively. I think women gives off more signs than most men think. But guys are dopey and usually don't see it.
/r/seduction22/05/26 02:46 PM
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I think having money is overstated. The most important thing is, she must think you're going somewhere. To illustrate, most guys get laid more in college than in their 30s and 40s. That's even though they have far less money in college. So it's OK if you're in a lower status job if she senses you're working to improve yourself,.
/r/seduction21/05/26 09:24 PM
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Around 80% towards end of the date. Do it when its winding down but not at the very end.
/r/seduction21/05/26 07:13 AM
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Bro it doesn't literally need to be Netflix. That's where social intuition comes in, understand a reason to invite her over that suits her and the situation.
/r/seduction20/05/26 03:13 PM
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Bro, it doesn't literally have to be Netflix.
/r/seduction20/05/26 02:15 PM
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Getting her number or IG these days is a low achievement. For her, there's no downside to getting another orbiter and inflate view count for her posts. She posts on IG in the first place specifically because she wants responses from orbiters like you. She thinks if you ever spam her or get abusive, she can always block. BUT if she meets you for a date, it absolutely means she likes you or will consider you. Bro, she isnt' gonna invest the time if she has no interest.
/r/seduction20/05/26 11:25 AM
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I believe the Dos Equis guy once said about wingmen: "It doesn't take more than one man to talk to a woman".
/r/seduction04/05/26 06:54 PM
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Never heard of this channel. I've never seen such a pathetic YouTube channel.
/r/seduction02/05/26 09:51 AM
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What you've described is how coworkers normally behave. Unless you skipped something in your story, she's just being a typical coworker trying to get along with colleagues. You've never befriended people at work? The only way to judge a woman's interest is, you ask her to grab a cup of coffee after work. If she shows up, yes, she has an interest in you because it requires her to make an investment in time.
/r/seduction29/04/26 01:41 PM
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Not 1000 random approaches. That's just stupid.
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:41 PM
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If your PUA coach says to approach 1000 women, you should ask for your money back. Nobody can or should do something that extreme. That makes it purely a game of chance so I'm not sure what's the coach for. I would chill about learning from PUA coaches. If you're super consumed with women and pickup, you'll fail at both. Women can smell desperation. Better to work on your social skills and practise being with people, join meetups, take a class at a community college, join a political movement, e…
/r/seduction28/04/26 06:01 PM
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There's no such thing as a magic bullet. NEVER think getting women means remembering lines and routines. All that PUA stuff is thankfully dead. If you're that direct and saying (half jokingly) that you'll pick them up this Friday, I don't see how any half decent woman would be receptive. You'll get the bottom of the barrel or hookers.
/r/seduction28/04/26 09:15 AM
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Not a good idea taking anything on social media seriously.
/r/seduction28/04/26 06:54 AM
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Guys can say this approach method works or that one works. But ultimately, the best approach method for a guy is the one he's comfortable with. Yours might be the best method for you. But if he's uncomfortable using that method, he won't be able to make it work because women can sense he's not being himself. Guys can only experiment different approach methods and find which one he feels comfy with. The truth is, almost any method will work as long as the guy actually does some approaching.
/r/seduction27/04/26 07:22 PM
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I agree shit tests are real. But you might be making this overly complicated. The best way to deal with a shit test is to act like it didn't happen.
/r/seduction27/04/26 06:49 PM
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A lot of guys have a general fear of women. I suggest you start small and practice. Start by talking to women employees in places you go such as a waitress, the person at the cash register at a supermarket or at McDonalds. Just make small chat. "Wow, is it always this busy on Thursday?" Start with women you're not attracted to. Then move up to those you find attractive. There is no other way than practicing. You'll soon realize it's not weird to talk to strangers and that most people welcome it …
/r/seduction27/04/26 04:50 PM
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There's no need to "make a move" which I interpret as you suddenly professing your feelings. If a girl is chatting with you and she seems friendly, then you return the friendliness, say some suggestive remarks, get a tad touchy and go for a coffee date. It doesn't have to be this singular big event.
/r/seduction27/04/26 03:58 PM
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I have a feeling this is meant to be satire.
/r/seduction26/04/26 05:04 PM
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Lots of girls give out numbers just to be polite. In her head, she's thinking it's no big deal to get some texts or sign up a new orbiter. That's why I never thought it was a big deal for pickup artists to get phone numbers. That's a low accomplishment. The truth is, if you get a halfway decent conversation with a girl, she'll almost always give you her number. But whether she go out with you is a whole different matter.
/r/seduction25/04/26 10:36 PM
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Game is understanding and accepting the psychological differences between men and women and using that knowledge to increase the odds of attracting her. For example, men are attracted to women who act feminine and submissive. But the vice versa isn't true. If you assume she likes the same traits that you like, you'll fail in attracting her.
/r/seduction25/04/26 09:55 PM
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It seems at this point of your life, women aren't something you're motivated for. No biggie. Do others stuff you're passionate about. Nobody says guys must be consumed with girls and dating 100% of the time.
/r/seduction25/04/26 07:15 PM
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"I hear insane stories". Maybe they're just stories. You might not think he has good game or looks but maybe the ladies do.
/r/seduction25/04/26 06:24 PM
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Regret is the most useless emotion. Do you want a girlfriend or do you wanna wallow in pity? I didn't get my first girlfriend until my late 30s.
/r/seduction25/04/26 05:56 PM
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Seeing people posting a field report feels like 10 years ago during the old school PUA era. I just think it's weird to write up an entire narrative. Granted, it's also rude to laugh and mock a field report. They should just ignore it. Remember most seduction communities are filled with socially awkward people and they get off on talking shit. Instead of posting a field report, i think you'll get better results in terms of advice if you just focus on what specific areas are giving you hardship.
/r/seduction24/04/26 02:56 PM
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It's normal for strangers not to make eye contact. If they look at you and you look back, it's normal for their eyes to dart away. Think about it: it'd be weird if two strangers keep locking eyes.
/r/seduction24/04/26 02:51 PM
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To be sure, women do play games. But if you ask her out and she says NO every time or flakes 2 out of 3 times, SHE DON'T LIKE YOU BRO. Don't pretend she's playing hard to get just because of your wishful thinking.
/r/seduction23/04/26 09:35 AM
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Can't fix it because you can't fix female nature. Most of the time, they don't even know what they want. She's probably interested but it's a soft interest. You just have to be patient. If you play it cool, don't chase and don't fluster, that's the best way to show you have value and worth a chance. It might be worth it if you decline her future offer, don't make it seem like you're just sitting home waiting for her.
/r/seduction22/04/26 11:54 AM
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Nothing wrong. Also a peck at the end.
/r/seduction22/04/26 05:05 AM
6

Remove the word "really". Or "it'd be great to see you again".
/r/seduction21/04/26 08:17 PM
2

Bro what kind of shit post is this?
/r/seduction20/04/26 03:39 PM
1

If you're curious how your friends meet women, why don't you ask them?
/r/seduction19/04/26 07:43 PM
1

I think it's obvious that you don't need to answer every text immediately. If God texted me, I wouldn't answer instantly. I have better shit to do.
/r/seduction19/04/26 07:40 PM
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This is the kind of stupid shit that belong on the forever alone incel forums. Go to a crowded area where there are lots of couples. The guys in couples come in all looks, shapes and sizes. You live in a different universe if you only see "hot" guys in a couple.
/r/seduction19/04/26 10:13 AM
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There are two reasons why you don't rely on apps and in-person meets are better: FIRST, on an app, you're reduced to raw numbers. How tall you are, how much you earn, what's your ethnicity, what's your age, etc. It's not necessarily because women are shallow but because they can't judge you any other way. In-person meets are better because you don't get disqualified right away or filtered out. SECOND, women are gonna post all sort of filtered photos on their dating profile. A total waste of time…
/r/seduction17/04/26 05:12 PM
1

If you're unwilling to take risk, you're going to be single for life.
/r/seduction07/04/26 03:53 PM
3

Don't buy into any rigid system. It's either crap or by people trying to make money as coaches or gurus.
/r/seduction18/03/26 09:57 AM
1

Vast majority of them use a filter, looks nothing like her photos.
/r/seduction15/03/26 05:49 PM
2

If you're in some fun environment like party or club, I think it's more appropriate to do a fist bump. It seems doing a handshake is too formal. I'd prefer to show a laid-back side.
/r/seduction15/03/26 05:18 PM
2

Bro, I didn't have real dates until my late 30s, didn't get a girlfriend early 40s. It's only "too late" when you're dead.
/r/seduction15/03/26 01:39 PM
0

Here's one thing you just have to accept: double standards are a fact of life. The faster you accept this, the happier and more successful you'll be. Some double standards benefit men, some benefit women. For example, one that benefits men is, if guys bang on the first date, he's a stud. But if she does it, she's a sl-tty. A lot of outrage comes from feminists who shame you for your preferences. Bro, the faster you stop worrying how feminists will judge you, the happier you'll be.
/r/seduction15/03/26 01:35 PM
50

She says no because she doesn't wanna sound easy. But it's usually a yes.
/r/seduction14/03/26 08:14 AM
2

There's only two types of women on dating websites. Really ugly ones or hookers. No way a women rated 6 and above can't meet someone in person. Nobody would prefer meeting online than in-person.
/r/seduction08/03/26 01:44 PM
1

Not little sister, but like her bratty older brother. Joke around, non serious but with a protective sentimental side.
/r/seduction03/03/26 01:58 PM
17

Bars are overrated places to meet people. There is zero chance a woman goes to a bar alone. Most women are with friends and/or her boyfriend. They're not standing around looking to chat with strangers. The only exception is you're there with a large group of friends and you mingle with another large group of friends. The only school PUA teachers spew this ridiculous nonsense how guys can learn skills and go to bars to pull girls out. Not gonna happen. Its better to go to social events where peop…
/r/seduction21/02/26 06:14 PM
1

Way too complicated. Sounds like Mystery Method with all that A1 to A2 to B1 stuff. There's zero chance some random chick, especially y attractive, you met online will come over to "cook you dinner".
/r/seduction16/02/26 04:50 PM
19

Bro, you clearly didn't read the part about that person being my GIRLFRIEND.
/r/seduction16/02/26 08:25 AM
75

For my girlfriend, gently stroking her inner thighs would do it.
/r/seduction16/02/26 06:44 AM
18

It's best to just compliment them. It seems shady to ask for directions.
/r/seduction14/02/26 04:27 PM
91

There's no use asking people on Reddit what you're doing wrong because they don't know you. To find out, here's what you do. You ask two friends you trust and who are good with women to be BRUTALLY HONEST on what women might not like about you. Don't let these friends get away with saying "nothing's wrong with you brah". They might say that to protect your feelings. Tell them protecting your feelings will hurt you. If both friends say similar things, then there's likely something to it. Don't be…
/r/seduction13/02/26 07:24 PM
1

You don't talk about yourself. A woman's favorite topic is herself and her interests. If you develop curiosity about people, you'll literally never run out of things to say.
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:23 PM
81

C'mon...if you look at random couples on the street, not all guys are good looking. Many (if not most) are downright average or even ugly. Apps and nightclubs are shitty places to meet. But there are social groups you can join to meet others like joining a hiking meetup, doing volunteer work, taking a class at a community college or going to church. There's nothing weird with chatting up a stranger at a coffee shop. Random strangers chat all the time. There's an entire art of making good first i…
/r/seduction10/02/26 07:10 PM
11

99% of men, including those on this sub, aren't looking for a "dominant" woman.
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:10 AM
1

You don't have to buy a book either. Everything is literally free.
/r/seduction06/02/26 05:04 PM
14

If you develop a true curiosity about people, you will never run out of things to say. You can always ask about her interests and her experiences. Don't focus on trying to "project masculinity". We're way passed the classic PUA era and it's childish alpha vs beta stuff.
/r/seduction06/02/26 11:20 AM
1

I agree with this but wouldn't use the word "alpha" which has absolutely lost its meaning.
/r/seduction06/02/26 07:00 AM
2

"It just happened" means their personality matched so well, there was little effort needed. Just like my current girlfriend. Neither of us "chased" each other. It was the easiest courtship ever. I would have told you "it just happened". Let's put it this way. If you're at the car dealership, you might like the car so much, the salesman didn't have to sell it to you. That's like seduction with strong personality matches. No one needs to sell to the other.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:20 AM
0

You're only too late when your'e dead. YES, if you're aged 40, you're too old to date 20 year olds. But you're not too old to date women who are 30+ years old. If you're aged 40, you're not gonna get lots of hookups on Tinder and go crazy at clubs. That wild and crazy part of your life is over. But it's definitely not older to find someone for something serious.
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:25 AM
1

On a first meeting, you should ask to do something simple like getting a cup of coffee. The more elaborate you make it, the likelier she'll say no or flake even if she says yes. Remember, if the simple coffee date goes well, you can always extend to do something else. Another reason to do something simple is that it gives her an out if things don't work out. At a movie, she'll be stuck with you for two or three hours.
/r/seduction25/01/26 05:40 AM
1

I'm way out of the game and in a relationship. But when I started out, the thing that helped me most was the YouTube channel Simple Pickup.
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:10 PM
15

Bro, nobody needs convincing that a sense of humor is important in seduction.
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:09 PM
10

Bro, it's sad to devote THAT much time to women.
/r/seduction23/01/26 05:34 PM
57

Everything in life is a numbers game. The more resumes you send out, the more job offers you get. The difference between a normal guy and a guy good with women is, the guy who's good will get a phone number 7% of the time instead of 2% of the time.
/r/seduction23/01/26 05:24 PM
18

Show interest to a woman? Yes. Take initiative? Yes. Chase? No.
/r/seduction23/01/26 04:16 PM
154

The more you chase, the worst your results will be. There's absolutely no question that men who have an aura of indifference are more desired.
/r/seduction23/01/26 07:55 AM
2

Attached to you or your weed?
/r/seduction16/01/26 04:28 AM
201

Being modest. You never brag about something. It's more impressive when she finds out on her own. For example, you don't tell her that you're good on the piano. Instead, when you're out on a date and there's a public piano, you just start playing.
/r/seduction10/01/26 08:50 PM
1

Sounds like a hooker.
/r/seduction09/01/26 05:32 AM
1

You can take a part time job until you graduate.
/r/seduction07/01/26 08:13 PM
5

Talking to a waitress should be the easiest approach ever since they're literally paid to be nice to customers. Aren't you able to order something to get a minor conversation started? Perhaps go the the bar when there are fewer customers. Talking to service workers can be a tricky proposition because you can't tell if they like you or just paid to like you. Just handing out a note is like playing the lottery. Might as well have a few conversations first and get a chance to work your charm.
/r/seduction02/01/26 04:29 AM
1

For women, learning seduction is pointless. If a guy doesn't find her physically attractive at first sight, she has no chance.
/r/seduction01/01/26 05:47 PM
53

Women don't have it easier. Yes, they might get shitload of matches on Tinder. But 99% of those matches are from losers who swipe right on all profiles. Women are also judged heavily on looks. So if she's not his type, she has no chance. For guys, they can play the seduction game and can score even if she might not like him on first sight.
/r/seduction01/01/26 04:13 PM
10

I admit not reading much of your post. It's too long and there's no paragraphs. All I'll say is, if you're this invested and writing so much trying to figure her out, you'll likely lose her. You're way too invested so soon. She'll likely detect it and be repelled by it. You're "too easy".
/r/seduction01/01/26 04:02 PM
1

The only valid reason to get a coach is for there to be someone who can be brutally honest about what's wrong with you. Because friends might not tell you for fear of hurting your feeling. That said, coaches are BS. Instead of getting one, you should have a few of your true blue besties say what you're doing wrong... both behavioral and appearance. Don't let them get away with "oh nothing's wrong". Tell them not being honest would really harm you.
/r/seduction30/12/25 11:20 AM
19

If someone praises your appearance, it's a good thing no matter what word they use. I'd be appreciative instead trying to parse their meaning. It's often an opportunity to know them more.
/r/seduction28/12/25 10:43 AM
1

Advertising.
/r/seduction26/12/25 11:50 AM
38

It'll probably help if you used paragraphs.
/r/seduction26/12/25 10:44 AM
1

I'd ask her out once more. If she flakes or declines again, you need to accept she's not interested. That's just how dating is.
/r/seduction26/12/25 10:43 AM
1

That's true...all women are different. But I've found it best when the first date has the least amount of pressure as possible and that you're not trying to get into her pants.
/r/seduction23/12/25 01:37 PM
1

A bar date seems so seedy, meeting at Starbucks would've been better. Could also be, she felt she allowed you to touch her so much that afterwards feels dirty about it. The best first dates are fast casual dates. Afterwards, "had fun, hope to do it again" and let it go. Here, it seems like you had an agenda m
/r/seduction23/12/25 01:09 PM
8

If she perceives you as a weak "nice guy" from the get go, it's almost impossible to recover from that.
/r/seduction20/12/25 01:35 PM
5

It's because you're on Tinder.
/r/seduction20/12/25 12:16 PM
0

Not true. Just because you like a girl doesn't mean she'll like you in return.
/r/seduction20/12/25 12:13 PM
12

Remember: many friends will say there's nothing wrong with you because they don't wanna hurt your feelings. They're just doing what friends do. I would ask a few of your true blue besties, especially those who are good with women, to be TOTALLY HONEST and list some qualities you can improve upon. Tell them that protecting your feelings will actually hurt you. Don't let them get away with saying "nothing's wrong". Prepare to feel a bit hurt because they'll likely say things that'll challenge how …
/r/seduction19/12/25 10:02 AM
1

I feel it's wrong to expect a kiss at the end of a first date. Going for a kiss without the right vibe is disastrous. She'll sense something's awkward with you. I wouldn't view a kiss (or anything else) as some sort of prize to be won at the end. The date should have only one objective: for her to want to see you again. That's it. Kiss or no kiss. I've been with my girlfriend for four years now. On our first date, we didn't kiss. Not even hold hands.
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:33 AM
1

Either pig butchering scammers or hookers.
/r/seduction18/12/25 04:37 PM
-1

42 year old single mom is almost a sure lay.
/r/seduction17/12/25 04:40 AM
2

Look, maybe this chick is just awkward, struggling to find something to say to you. It's weird to think she's trying to get you to earn less. What would be her incentive to do that?
/r/seduction14/12/25 05:20 PM
2

Oh this is easy. You talk about her and her interest. That's every woman's favorite topic. You don't talk about your interests or rotate from your list. Don't think there's some formula or magic pill to have conversation and build connection. Girl A will enjoy different topics from Girl B. Having effective conversation skills mean adapting at whatever comes your way. From my experience, if I want her to talk, I'd ask her questions in superlatives... - "What did you find most surprising about you…
/r/seduction14/12/25 05:18 PM
5

Why bother figuring out some random irrelevant remark? She's probably just trying to make conversation. It's bizarre and pointless to think about how this remark will affect your relationship -- and even weirder to think she's plotting to decrease your income.
/r/seduction14/12/25 05:09 PM
1

Every woman dreams of getting "swept off her feet", not "hey let's be friends first".
/r/seduction14/12/25 08:51 AM
1

Maybe only in India. In the West, vast majority aren't friends first.
/r/seduction14/12/25 05:26 AM
2

Not sure how old you are. But if you're, say, under 22, it's no big deal. At that age, living with parents isn't a stigma. But if you're near 30, yeah, it signals you're a loser.
/r/seduction13/12/25 03:07 PM
8

Never take a woman seriously on how she says relationships should start. They definitely don't wanna be friends first.
/r/seduction13/12/25 02:54 PM
-3

It's kinda lame to move to another city and upend your life just because you think women there are easier to get. If you make women that important in your life, that's when you'll fail with them.
/r/seduction10/12/25 05:41 PM
2

If it's community college, there'll be older women there.
/r/seduction10/12/25 08:11 AM
1

Your total lack of social media will make her think you're a loner. Is this the first impression you wanna give her?
/r/seduction10/12/25 08:06 AM
1

There's always gonna be a risk such as her having a boyfriend. If she sits near you, you might have well try to have a chat first. No need to go straight for the phone number. And when it comes time to ask, you should ask for social media instead. A lot more casual.
/r/seduction10/12/25 03:03 AM
1

It's like when I got a girlfriend, suddenly I get more attention from women. Women know when you're not chasing them and you're more attractive as a result.
/r/seduction05/12/25 10:27 PM
2

On a seedy corner in San Francisco.
/r/seduction05/12/25 07:04 PM
1

You'll learn more about seduction by spending an hour out talking with random women than reading this 700 page book.
/r/seduction04/12/25 04:53 PM
3

That sounds like prostitution.
/r/seduction01/12/25 11:50 AM
2

You can be nice (a good thing) without being weak (a bad thing).
/r/seduction22/11/25 11:06 AM
1

Are there dating apps where autistic people meet each other?
/r/seduction13/10/22 06:56 PM
1

They have no ambition
/r/seduction12/10/22 11:31 PM
2

Yes but what a women thinks is "minimally attractive enough" varies drastically. The incels think you have an attractive rating set in stone.
/r/seduction10/10/22 07:31 AM
23

These guys with shitty attitudes should go to places where there are lots of couples. Just do some people watching and look at the guys in a couple. The guys come in all shape, sizes and appearances. They're not all tall dark and handsome. I'm sick of incels who come to bitch. What's the point? If they believe they're that hopeless, maybe learn to be happy being single and don't waste time on Reddit.
/r/seduction10/10/22 06:46 AM
1

"I've always wanted to go there but no one to go with".
/r/seduction08/10/22 12:33 PM
1

Try Men Are From Mars
/r/seduction08/10/22 12:28 PM
11

Despite what women say, they don't want you to make them your main focus on life. They want you to have your ambitions so that they're tagging along for an exciting ride. They wanna be your side event, not the main event. As such, the best mental state for finding a girlfriend is when you're not really trying.
/r/seduction07/10/22 10:03 PM
1

Most people who want to change just wants a shortcut. They think someone's gonna give them a PUA line that works everytime. Or how to write a profile to get matches on Tinder.
/r/seduction07/10/22 01:23 PM
1

Sadly, many guys would buy from that ad.
/r/seduction06/10/22 11:30 PM
8

He's obviously trying to sell some stupid seduction shit.
/r/seduction06/10/22 10:06 PM
8

He's obviously trying to sell something
/r/seduction06/10/22 10:05 PM
2

To those who say "get rich", they're are plenty of guys who work in Silicon Valley who earn $100k+ who are still hopelessly single. A lot of those guys are from India who also claim no women likes them. The first thing is, your attitude is pretty bad. I read your post history and almost all of it is you complaining how pathetic you are. Even your Reddit screenname shows a defeatist attitude. You should forget about women for now and work on getting a better outlook on life. If you find yourself …
/r/seduction05/10/22 07:37 PM
1

Why is it a "PUA strategy" to be interested in more than one girl at a time? I called that being a normal guy.
/r/seduction30/09/22 05:58 PM
5

I never understood why guys are subjecting themselves to Tinder. You can look it up on Google: 78% of Tinder users are male. Imagine being at a venue where guys outnumber girls by 4 to 1. No shit girls are gonna get very picky and fickle there.
/r/seduction27/09/22 02:21 PM
23

Since you mention fat guys are getting matches on Tinder, I presume that's your primary source to find dates. Have you thought of not using Tinder? Tinder seems to be the greatest instigator of depression on this forum.
/r/seduction27/09/22 01:04 PM
5

Get one's shit together and pursue something professionally or academically. Don't come here thinking it'll happen overnight. Guys who fake it ("Yeah, I'm building a tech start up") will always get discovered because it's easy to differentiate between the winners and the posers. Then, she'll realize what a loser they are.
/r/seduction27/09/22 07:10 AM
2

Then you didn't meet her on Tinder if you already knew her in-person. Tinder was just the messaging system.
/r/seduction17/09/22 02:55 AM
4

Nothing wrong with OLD as long you don't use it exclusively and as replacement for in-person interactions. 78% of Tinder users are male (Google that if you don't believe me). So imagine this. You're at a university where for every one female, there are four males. Of course guys will be at a great disadvantage. In life as in business, you go where you have the advantage. It makes no sense why one should only use a venue where there's a huge disadvantage. The only thing I can think of is laziness…
/r/seduction17/09/22 02:53 AM
1

PUA literature probably set me back three years. I wish I hadn't taken it so seriously when I was younger Some of it's teachings are useful. But the harmful thing about it is this obsession with women. PUAs claim not to be outcome dependent. But everything about it is dependent on results. You can't pour over countless field reports and analyze ever facet of your speech and gestures and then claim "oh I'm outcome independent". Everything about being a PUA is about women and that's a bad mindset …
/r/seduction16/09/22 12:27 AM
4

There's no such thing as "too late". But to be frank, the quality and quantity of the ladies who'll consider you will decline as you age. I wouldn't be worried about age. More pressing is your lack of social skills which fortunately can be obtained. I'm no expert in autism but perhaps there are autism subs that can help you get more social skills.
/r/seduction16/09/22 12:19 AM
11

Women love orbiters.
/r/seduction15/09/22 03:52 PM
30

It definitely gets harder to make friends when you're older. On one hand, it might be hard to find girls to date. But harder still is to find good friends when you're over 30. It's not like there's an app to find friends nor can you use cold approaching. In many ways, once over 30, it's easier to get a girlfriend than to get a new good friend.
/r/seduction15/09/22 02:52 PM
5

Go with him. Don't be surprised if that fat guy pulls down lots of girls with his mad skillz. You never know. It's creepy seeing a guy go alone. It suggests he has no girl friends and no guy friends.
/r/seduction15/09/22 12:37 PM
2

I agree. I was being sarcastic.
/r/seduction13/09/22 10:20 PM
4

Very few guys will freak out just because she doesn't answer your text until the next morning. So to answer your question, most guys won't do shit and just accept it as normal. It seems you think everybody on Reddit is weird and you're one of the few sane ones.
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:39 PM
5

Bro, you're not gonna succeed with women if you freak out over a text that doesn't get answered til the next morning. People lie over trivial things all the time. Maybe she just didn't want to write to you or she was watching Netflix. Hell, she might have indeed been with another guy. Until she promise to be your girlfriend, she can see whoever she wants.
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:19 PM
71

There's nothing wrong with not wanting women in your life.
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:08 PM
7

You are cynical as fuck if you think people in the virtual world are more real than the real world.
/r/seduction13/09/22 07:42 PM
4

I just answered this when someone else brought up this point on this thread. It's pretty sad you judge women from how they act on a dating site. Because clearly, women on a dating site don't represent women in general. On a site like Tinder, men outnumber women by at least 20 to 1. So no shit women have the upper hand. I suggest you get out in the real world more.
/r/seduction13/09/22 07:32 PM
2

I wouldn't assume women on dating apps accurately reflects women in general. On dating apps, men outnumber women by huge amounts. So of course women can be pickier online. An app like Tinder also naturally filters out "normal" women who generally won't be caught dead on it.
/r/seduction13/09/22 07:25 PM
2

I rather have her be friendly in-person and not friendly on text than the other way around.
/r/seduction13/09/22 06:29 PM
97

Nobody has said looks don't matter. The only difference is, men are more critical about a woman's appearance whereas women are more forgiving over a man's appearance. That's why men watch porn way more than females. Conversely, men are less critical about a woman's personality whereas women are less forgiving about a man's personality. She might not care if you're not super hot...but she's not tolerating your shit social skills and weak behavior. For men, I agree that unless he has a severe defo…
/r/seduction13/09/22 04:43 PM
34

I've had that happen too. In my opinion, here's why... Given the right setting, such as being in a romantic place, it's easy for her to get carried away and show mega interest. Say, if you and her were at the beach at night and there's a fireworks display, that'll put her in a romantic frame of mind. But the next morning, she gets a reality check. She realizes she gave up too much. Her ego is now doing the thinking. "Why did I show him so much interest when he hasn't taken time to earn it?" And …
/r/seduction13/09/22 12:01 PM
5

There's nothing wrong with deciding that bars and clubs just aren't your thing. If you've had success with day game, why not continue it? There's nothing special about bars and clubs -- and yet, lots of people think they're this holy grail of seduction.
/r/seduction08/09/22 11:41 AM
5

Not sure how this is related to Seduction.
/r/seduction08/09/22 11:39 AM
0

Yes it's dying...and that's a good thing.
/r/seduction07/09/22 06:30 PM
18

People will give you all sorts of advice, and some might be good. But the bottom line is, you'll almost never know what you did wrong and never know why she just isn't feeling it. It could be you, it could be something else (like a guy returning to her life). What I've learned is, you have to be OK with not knowing. What you did "wrong", even if you can find out, might not be "wrong" for another girl. Your job is to date as much a possible and eventually, you'll find someone who isn't gonna lose…
/r/seduction07/09/22 03:02 AM
1

The pattern is, you rush to the kiss. If you go for the smooch, most girls out of politeness will kiss back. It doesn't mean much. That's why I'm contemptuous over all that pick up artist nonsense thinking the kiss-close is this huge accomplishment. I think the first date should be casual and non pressuring.
/r/seduction07/09/22 02:56 AM
-6

You can't. You have to accept that it's impossible to judge anyone's intentions that easily. There's are no short cuts. Furthermore, don't have this "guys have it hard" whining crap. Women have it hard too. In fact, they complain about dating as much or even more then men.
/r/seduction06/09/22 09:51 AM
1

You can consider someone "human" and still have a strategy in dealing with them. For example, when you interview for a job or you handle a customer. You can employ people skills to increase your odds of a good encounter and still consider the other person as "human".
/r/seduction04/09/22 01:48 PM
1

If monopolizing her time, which is uber creepy, is your only strategy, it may be time to find a more stronger foundation to attract a woman. .
/r/seduction23/08/22 08:41 AM
1

Are you sure you have her interest in the first place if a two week absence would cause her to lose interest?
/r/seduction23/08/22 06:57 AM
2

It's not BS because nothing is lower value than a needy clingy guy. This will literally repulse women. Don't buy into extremes where you either have to pursue relentlessly or act completely disinterested. There's a happy medium. This is what's wrong with many men seeking seduction advice. They often try to find some rigid dogma.
/r/seduction04/08/22 03:22 AM
1

This is really bad advice. I've noticed lots of people on this forum are black and white thinkers. You're either a nice guy or an asshole. You're either alpha or beta. The advice written definitely shows this binary thinking. Saying it's OK to be offensive is just dumb. It's great to tease a girl in a fun manner and over something that's clearly immaterial and inconsequential. But that's as far as a guy should go in terms of being "offensive".
/r/seduction28/06/22 09:07 PM
4

How about calling it quits if she doesn't even wanna hold your hand?
/r/seduction15/06/22 08:11 PM
3

I think you're showing way too much eagerness. I wouldn't even text so soon which only shows more. I mean, you just got ghosted and you're still chatting her up. Think of how she sees it.
/r/seduction15/06/22 06:26 PM
5

A girl frequently alone there and drinking by herself is likely looking for business.
/r/seduction15/06/22 06:21 PM
2

The best line to use is just "hey, are you having a good time?" or compliment something they're wearing. That's it. The problem with PUA mindset is thinking there's a line that'll work most of the time. So they say something that's cringy, desperate or sleazy. They need to accept there's no magic pill. The truth with cold approach is, you have to show interest but not go overboard. So saying "OMG, you're so cute, I just have to say hi" is stupid. Humans are programmed for subtle interaction. Com…
/r/seduction14/06/22 01:33 PM
157

Your life should never have been focused on women to begin with. That's a recipe for disaster. Women have strong intuition and know if a guy is focused on women. This focus comes off as being desperate and sleezy and therefore highly unattractive. You might think you can hide it...but it always comes out. On the other hand, they LOVE that a man is focused on himself and self improvement. These are the kinda guys that's going somewhere in his life.
/r/seduction12/06/22 01:00 PM
1

No, it shows girls are more attracted to SOCIAL STATUS than guys.
/r/seduction12/06/22 12:54 PM
2

You wanting to ask her is what's wrong with you. She likely detected too much neediness from you. If a woman senses you like her much more than she likes you, it's the beginning of the end.
/r/seduction11/06/22 01:28 PM
1

If she won't invest time to come out, it's time for you to move on. Some girls are addicted to their phones, love to get texts and love the attention. If you continue to give it and not get anything back, you're just being her door mat.
/r/seduction09/06/22 02:25 PM
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An orbiter is a guy who stays in a girl's life and constantly give her attention hoping someday she'd give him a chance.
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:52 AM
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Game definitely works although you need to have substance to back it up. The problem with many guys on this forum is, they have little going for them in terms of pursing education, career, running his own business, etc. So he uses game to offset. You need to have something going for you in order for game to work. Think of game as something that gets you in the door to begin with. But if that's all you have, she'll pick up on it and lose interest fast. It kinda reminds me of the movie TITANIC. Ha…
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:48 AM
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A lot of women need validation from men. You'd imagine if a women is hot, she'd be brimming with confidence. That's not always true. If all she has is hotness, she'd be very insecure about it. After all, there are always hotter girls around. She also knows beauty fades. Lastly, beauty is extremely subjective. So lots of women want orbiters who praise her and to validate her worth. Were you being used for that? It's hard to say. If she refuses to hang out with you or invest time for you, her inte…
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:40 AM
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Even if true, it's stupid dying younger just to impress a woman. There can't be anything more desperate than that.
/r/seduction08/06/22 11:21 AM
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I feel for people living in poor countries. But there are lots of women there who'd want you just for your visa to the US. You literally need NO GAME, NO LOOKS and NO PERSONALITY to get girls in Vietnam as long as you have US citizenship. This is why you see lots of young ladies with old white dudes in places like Vietnam and Thailand. If you're an expat and can game girls in Japan or South Korea, then you have something real to contribute to this forum.
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:40 AM
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Oh great...so your writing style is being a dick and calling people incels but somehow that'll teach guys to have better social skills. That makes you doubly unqualified along with you being in Vietnam gaming desperate ladies. It's also not your place to lecture on how to use Reddit. In all forums, there's gonna be repeated topics.
/r/seduction08/06/22 06:00 AM
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I have no problem with honest talk but the tone is ridiculous. Look, there are people with real social anxiety and you don't give advise by sounding like an asshole. What purpose does that serve?
/r/seduction08/06/22 05:47 AM
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Bro, from your post history, you're a white old fart living as an expat in Vietnam. Getting desperate third-world impoverished ladies don't make you some seduction expert.
/r/seduction08/06/22 05:40 AM
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I've never experienced a situation where some guy just comes at you from nowhere. What normally happens is, a PUA approaches a girl. She isn't interested but not rude enough to tell him to fuck off. So her male friend intervenes. Then the PUA thinks he's getting AMOG'd and cries victim. If you approach, expect she has male friends who are in the venue but not by her side.
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:26 AM
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The fact she offered to reschedule still leaves you room. The truth is, it's bullshit when someone says they're completely busy. If she wants to be with you, she'll find the time. But at least she offered to reschedule. Just don't desperately grab any date/time she proposes. You can say "when's good for you? I just can't do Monday, Tuesday and Thursday".
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:16 PM
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It probably boils down to: this guy is too easy, therefore not high value. The next day coffee date was probably a bad move. That's giving way too much value. She likely also felt awkward kissing and acting like a couple right away and then next day -- boom, it's a normal day at the coffee shop. It's weird. There'll always be ladies who need guys for self-validation. Once she got it, she lost interest. But don't get jaded. Not all women act like this. This is an extreme case. Next time, you gott…
/r/seduction07/06/22 09:52 AM
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I wouldn't even view it if it's free on YouTube.
/r/seduction04/06/22 05:05 AM
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You've totally missed the point of this thread. Investing in yourself means to better yourself without women being the motive. So of course you don't use these lame dating coaches who's sole motive is about women.
/r/seduction03/06/22 03:33 AM
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If a guy is self-centered and cares only to improve himself, he gives off a non needy vibe. It's ironic that the less you care about women, the more they find you attractive. Furthermore, if you're obsessed with doing your own thing, women find that ambition to be attractive.
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:48 PM
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The guys who invested himself and didn't see improvement with the ladies are usually investing in himself because of women. That's the wrong approach. For example, "I'm starting a band so I can get girls". Or "I'm studying for a master's degree so I can get girls". Then they get upset when focusing on self improvement didn't produce results. You can't invest in yourself for the purpose of women. It has to truly be about yourself and what you're interested in. Women know when you're desperate. Th…
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:45 PM
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I wouldn't call a typical PUA to be a "real man" that women crave and desperate to get. I think you might have drank the Kool Aid or trying to pitch for the PUA industry.
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:27 PM
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In these situations where people aren't used to talking to strangers, I wouldn't try to be clever. It comes off as creepy and certainly unnatural. I think better would be "hey there, I really like your hair". If it were night game and music was blasting, I can see how you can say OH MY GOD I'M SO JEALOUS OF YOUR HAIR!
/r/seduction02/06/22 12:52 PM
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Sorry but any PUA coach who thinks they have a special insight and can find you an advantage is full of shit. 99% of guys out there don't know anything about PUA or seduction literature and yet, the vast majority can still get dates and girlfriends. The point of seduction literature isn't to get an advantage. It's merely to catch up to the overwhelming majority of guys who don't need books and coaches. It's like remedial class for those who were slower to learn.
/r/seduction02/06/22 11:23 AM
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Do not go for a hail mary. Just play the odds... If you do a hail mary after she's shown strong and repeated disinterest, your odds of success is literally zero. No girl will think to herself, "I have no interest in this guy but because he did a hail mary, suddenly I found myself attracted". That won't happen and yet, that's what you're hoping. On the other hand, if you drop her, there's a slight chance she'll think "this guy must have options, maybe he's not as low value as I thought". That'll …
/r/seduction02/06/22 03:16 AM
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In a wordy way, you're asking if looks matter in pickup. This is way over-discussed on this forum.
/r/seduction26/05/22 04:40 AM
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Let's say personality was the same. I'd say (in order): STATUS, LOOKS and MONEY. A lot of celebrities look like crap and they get women lined up to blow him. So right away, we know it's not LOOKS. Look at all those ridiculously looking Korean pop idols. Those guys look completely feminine but still get millions of girls interested. Trust me, it's NOT looks. We also know countless guys who work in Silicon Valley who earn $175k per year but complain not getting dates. So it's not MONEY either. Per…
/r/seduction26/05/22 04:20 AM
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It's sucks to get older but it's pointless to complain about it. Yes, the world values youth. Beauty and youth also goes hand-in-hand. You just gotta suck it up. The good news it, it reminds you that you don't have infinite time. You better enjoy life now while you have the chance.
/r/seduction26/05/22 04:17 AM
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I've had plenty of shit dates where the woman didn't seem to want be there. At some point, you have to accept the sad fact she's just not into you. Women are keenly aware when you like her more than she likes you. And in trying to make her invest more, she'll sense your one sided interest even more.
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:13 AM
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Your last sentence gives away your flawed outlook in seduction, that it's about good looks and reputation. Do average looking guys without reputation not get girlfriends? A lot of seduction advice is not meant to be scripture. There needs to be some social awareness when and how much to use it.
/r/seduction25/05/22 07:00 AM
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Instead of expecting her to invest more, you should simply invest less.
/r/seduction25/05/22 06:52 AM
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If you wanna succeed with seduction, I suggest you drop this "life isn't fair" stuff. The truth is, there are parts of dating that naturally favors women, some naturally favors men. You have to go with it and not cry about it.
/r/seduction22/05/22 05:04 PM
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I haven't heard anything about letting her talk 80%. But the conversation must be about her 80% of the time. Way too many guys blab about themselves. The other day, the network went down so coworkers and I sat around doing nothing. This dude keeps telling me about his back injury and him fighting lawyers. He had no social awareness to know he's boring as fuck and I'm not interested. Multiple that by about 100 times and that's how women view you if you always talk about yourself.
/r/seduction22/05/22 05:36 AM
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When she talks about herself.
/r/seduction22/05/22 05:33 AM
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Looking at your post history, you've been advertising your dating coaching service. No offense, but this forum is too filled with coaches pitching themselves and drumming up business.
/r/seduction18/05/22 12:56 PM
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PUA Pick up artist AMOG Alpha male of the group (some guy who tries to dominate you)
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:07 AM
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I haven't read any post that tells others not to cold approach. But I've read reasonable posts to suggest doing the PUA thing is a bad idea (which it is). Is it possible these two things (being a PUA and doing cold approach) are mixed up? They're not the same things.
/r/seduction18/05/22 12:50 AM
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That scenario is exceedingly rare. A long time ago when I got into all that PUA nonsense, I read a lot of talk about AMOGing. It's just paranoia. The reason some PUAs face it is because they're intruding onto other people's social groups. Women usually aren't bold enough to tell you to fuck off. They'll give signs of disinterest and when that doesn't work, her male buddies come in to rescue her. But a PUA would consider that "AMOGing".
/r/seduction18/05/22 12:46 AM
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Why guys would go through that sadistic shit is beyond me. Ironically, Tinder is also bad for women. First, you have 80% of women going for 10% of the men. So they're getting guys who are players. Second, if women go for the other 90%, most of those guys are the lazy swipers we're talking about and those guys tend to have little going for them.
/r/seduction15/05/22 09:03 PM
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Touching. An example is holding the door for her and touching her on her waist as she walks pass you.
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:53 PM
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I'm not a fan of PUAing to begin with. But it's important to note Neil Strauss went against all his earlier PUA teachings and said most of that stuff was harmful. His later book was pretty much an anti-PUA book.
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:29 PM
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I think you've given a great source but it could also be dangerous. Because on a talk show, there's already a comedy vibe going. If a guy tries to emulate that in a normal situation, a tease could be construed as an insult. For me, a tease starts by about creating a play fight with her. So if you find something she says is questionable, you reply.. - OMG, are you serious? - Whaa...you're the only person who thinks that - I've never heard anyone say that before - No no, that's not how it works - …
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:26 PM
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I don't wanna sound like an asshole, but you seem to be saying (in a very lengthy way) that a guy needs his shit together like have a job, a passion or something that motivates him. I think we already know that. No guy can be a bum and think he'll be attractive to women. Your example about going to boxing class and physically fighting your rival is not a good idea, bro.
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:15 PM
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I have a girlfriend and feel I have enough inner and outer game so that, if we break up, I can find another. But if I had to recommend two sources to my earlier self, the first is How Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. That book gives 70% of what you'd need to make good conversation with women. The second source is, watch the Atomic Attraction channel on YouTube.
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:10 PM
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Being called friendly is like being called nice. It's not a good thing. To get attraction going, a guy needs to have an edge to him. Being called friendly means she sees you as having only positive traits. This sounds like a good thing, but it's not. It's guys who have some "bad boy" qualities that get her juices flowing. Being a bad boy does not mean being criminal. Rather, try disagreeing or teasing her. Try not be perceived like the guy who plays by all the rules. Be a bit controversial in wh…
/r/seduction15/05/22 07:07 PM
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NOT A SHIT TEST. I'm not sure you know what a shit test is. A shit test is when a women is attracted to you, likely because you're confident and have your shit together, but she's wondering if those traits are genuine. So she throws a shit test like say something bad about you to see how you'd react. She wants to know if your confidence is the real deal. Here, you're just chatting with someone online.
/r/seduction15/05/22 06:59 PM
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Two weeks ago, I wrote a post about being a short Asian dude in seduction (link). One subject I didn't cover was, guys need to choose winnable venues. I've never been on Tinder but I know it's not winnable unless you're tall, white and rich. The reason so many guys are on Tinder is, it's easy to lie in bed swiping instead of doing the real work and going out to meet in-person. I can't sympathize with guys complaining about Tinder. You can't blame women for being shallow there. When online, they …
/r/seduction15/05/22 06:56 PM
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Don't fall into this "this or that" thinking as of those are the only two choices. You can game all your want but the PUA tactics are just lame.
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:41 AM
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Yes but not as a PUA. Being a PUA is literally the most repugnant thing for women.
/r/seduction14/05/22 03:35 AM
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You missed my point. If a PUA does his thing, the woman would have seen it on TikTok before and his agenda is blown.
/r/seduction14/05/22 01:52 AM
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Not only is it cringe as fuck, but women have seen it before. We live in the world of TikTok where there are literally millions of approach videos. If you go up to someone with an opener or "wow, I think you're cute and wanted to say hi", she's seen it before.
/r/seduction14/05/22 01:19 AM
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I'm anti-PUA. Check my post history where i shared my experiences with seduction as a short Asian male. You can see I'm against PUAing.
/r/seduction14/05/22 12:02 AM
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Having great inner game is when you feel like you don't need women to have a great happy life.
/r/seduction13/05/22 07:45 PM
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I think you're missing something that's right in front of you. It's exactly because these guys don't give a fuck which gives them an attractive vibe. Don't fall into the trap of thinking money and looks should land you women. This is the vibe I'm getting from your post. Someone who doesn't give a fuck + normal personality will beat someone with a great personality who seems desperate.
/r/seduction13/05/22 07:42 PM
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I think the situation deserves another chance in case there was a miscommunication. But if you give a third chance, yeah, that'd be desperate.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:17 AM
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Let's take a step back. If you said that, what would you reasonably expect her to respond? 100% of women will just find that uber cringy. It's not just your pickup line. Most pickup lines are lame and a rehash from the 70s.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:16 AM
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Your post reminds me of the following Dos Equis commercial about pickup lines. He says, "there's a time and place for it. The time is never." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfHmi4oyGM
/r/seduction13/05/22 08:41 AM
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The problem with this sort of complimenting is, she likely thinks you said it to get something in return. We humans are subtle creatures. We normally don't come out and bluntly say what we think out of the blue. If you do, she might think you're lacking in social grace. There's nothing wrong with compliments if it's a natural progression in conversation. But here, it's too much and too creepy to suddenly say it.
/r/seduction13/05/22 08:38 AM
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I'd give her another shot. If she doesn't call after you bring it up again, then it's time to move on.
/r/seduction13/05/22 08:28 AM
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It's a once in a lifetime experience. Since you're a sophomore, I'd urge you to take advantage of it as much as possible while you still have it. In my opinion, the reason it's harder once you get older has little to do with the "college environment". Rather, the older people get, the likelier they're in serious relationships or get married. That makes the dating pool shrink.
/r/seduction13/05/22 07:13 AM
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Because your path neglects the most important skill for attraction: SOCIAL SKILLS. Don't get me wrong. You need your shit together for women to find you attractive. So a job and looking your best are good starts. But that doesn't matter for shit if you're socially awkward and have zero game. It's very possible to girls without money and looks. But it's near impossible to get girls without social skills. And I'll venture to say social skills are harder to attain than money and looks.
/r/seduction12/05/22 11:00 AM
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I agree about mimicking her response time. The only thing I'll add is, don't make it so obvious. Sometimes reply sooner, sometimes later, sometimes never.
/r/seduction12/05/22 04:08 AM
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That goes for anything related to seduction. When you don't want the girl, she wants you.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:55 AM
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I'm sorta in your situation right now. I've had a girlfriend for two years but lately, she's gone distant. What I've learned is, if she pulls back, you have to pull back. It's normal for relationships to have its ups and downs. If you keep smothering her, she'll lose respect for you and any attraction will be gone. If it turns out it's because she's into another dude, you have to accept that as well. That's why no matter how good you think things are going with a girl, you must be meeting other …
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:46 AM
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A girl likes you, likely because you're confident and have your shit together. But she wants to know if it's the real deal. So she suddenly talks shit to see how you'd react. I've had this happen so often, I'm certain it's involuntarily and hard wired into the female brain. The best reaction is to maintain your cool. If you react negatively, you've failed her shit test and she knows your confidence was just a show all along.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:37 AM
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It's all about moderation. You've fallen into a mental trap thinking it's all or none. Of course you should text but don't fucking do it for hours or reply every time within minutes. Like anything good, if its too much, it loses it's magic.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:13 AM
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For women, a Philippines dating website exists two reasons. Either she's looking for a relationship or money. No woman is there for a buddy to chit chat. I would straight up ask why she's on a dating site if she's not looking for a relationship. In the meantime, if you're not meeting in person, you should question yourself why you're there.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:09 AM
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You're overthinking this. If a guy friend told me he's a new person now, most people will think that's creepy as fuck that you actually have to declare that.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:04 AM
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You're asking an unanswerable question. Whenever a woman is being friendly or flirty, you use that opening as a way to know her better and game her. It doesn't matter how that opening came up in the first place.
/r/seduction11/05/22 01:41 PM
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I'll be honest here. She's likely not looking at you because she's sexually interested in you. Rather, she's curious to see the face of the person driving the car to see if it fits. As a guy, I'd do the same if some dude has a bad ass ripping car. I wanna see if the face of the driver matches the car.
/r/seduction10/05/22 07:03 AM
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The biggest fallacy in the seduction community is thinking the issue is nice vs assholes. Rather, it's weak guys vs assholes. You can be nice, just not weak. In order of success: 1 - Nice guy, not weak 2 - Asshole guy, not weak 3 - Asshole guy, weak 4 - Nice guy, weak
/r/seduction10/05/22 07:00 AM
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I mentioned this isn't gonna work everywhere. If she's not into short Asian guys, that's it. For all of us trying to get better in seduction, we must accept some girls are not winnable. Do you expect to get a job offer for every resume you send out? As for there needing to be physical attraction, remember this is a subjective trait. Some will think you're attractive, some not. Like I mentioned in my post, just check out random couples you see everyday. Are all the guys hot and good looking? Why …
/r/seduction05/05/22 10:39 PM
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I'm not sure it's that important to be witty because I sure wasn't in my 20s. I think there's too much emphasis on "cocky funny" which comes from the PUA movement. There's nothing wrong with having a fun exchange that doesn't involve throwing out one liners. There's actually a way to be funny without quick wittiness -- and that's by teasing. I thought about writing on teasing but I think it's something reserved for doing after the hook point.
/r/seduction05/05/22 10:35 PM
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The disinterest is only for the first or second conversations. For the rest, you can definitely show desire to be friends. As for me saying that disinterest is something a guy is gonna have to do long-term, I'm not saying to show complete disinterest. I'm only saying not to show he's completely sold.
/r/seduction05/05/22 10:30 PM
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Cold pickup is hard even for good looking guys. I'm just being real here. Being short, our first impressions just aren't the best...just like for guys who have a myriad of other physical imperfections. And when shorter guys get shot down in a bar or club, it's going harm self esteem which makes seduction even harder. But the good news is, it's something that can be overcome. I'm not just saying to make short guys feel better. It's the truth. It matters a lot less than people think.
/r/seduction05/05/22 10:25 PM
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I'm East Asian. I prefer not to be more specific.
/r/seduction05/05/22 10:22 PM
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Sorry but it's meaningless. When people type on phones, there's gonna be misspelling or repeated characters.
/r/seduction04/05/22 06:06 PM
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There's no need to say "go out with me" and be so explicit about it being a date. You can say to hang out or grab a bite or get coffee. Even girls who might like you might feel pressured and refuse.
/r/seduction04/05/22 06:04 PM
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Rejection will always sting and you cannot rid it completely. But if you have lots of women and prospects in your life, it'll sting a lot less. So make sure you always broaden your social horizons.
/r/seduction04/05/22 02:03 PM
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If others can see you, you shouldn't flirt with a lot of women. That gives you a desperate vibe that no woman will find attractive.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:43 PM
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Don't do it. Your odds are actually better if you don't. Almost surely, she sees you as low value. If you chase, she'll see you as even lower value. But if you drop her, she might think you have options elsewhere and raise her opinion of you. Granted, odds she'll come around are slim but if you chase, the odds are zero. You just gotta play the odds. All the while, you must have other options.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:31 AM
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When I'm disinterested.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:28 AM
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Sounds like old school days when the lady drops her handkerchief.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:27 AM
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Yep because there's NO upside to assuming the negative.
/r/seduction02/05/22 10:48 PM
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Content does matter. The conversation has to be 80% about her, 20% about you. Too many guys, particularly PUA types, get into this "content don't matter" belief and drones on and on about himself and his interests. If the conversation doesn't interest her, she might listen to be polite but will be bored as fuck. Have you ever had a coworker constantly talk about himself? No matter how he says it, you wish he'd just STFU.
/r/seduction02/05/22 10:38 PM
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How come she doesn't know how you look like before you got her number?
/r/seduction02/05/22 10:32 PM
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Pretend you're at some social event. Do people just crack jokes? Or do they ask questions about each other? It doesn't matter if you like humor, it's what the other person likes. If you think it's just all laughs and being funny, then well, good luck.
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:47 PM
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Nope, saying "so have you worked here long?" doesn't sound like an interview. That's how people socialize everywhere. Do you expect to just keep cracking jokes like a comedy show? Yes my fav is probably his B Minor Mass. But to pick out just one favorite is impossible 😉
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:36 PM
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If you're trying to impress her, I wouldn't just crack jokes. I believe some in the seduction community calls this a "dancing monkey". It just makes you look clownish. I would raise some sort of light conversation. If you have genuine curiosity about others, there'd be plenty of things to ask about at the store. Being curious is one of the advice given in Dale Carnegie's book How to Win Friends and Influence People, the greatest self help book of all time. Being curious might sound common sense …
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:24 PM
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If she didn't want to date you, she doesn't like you.
/r/seduction29/04/22 09:45 PM
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That's a difference between a nice guy and a weak guy. There's nothing wrong with being nice as long as you're not weak.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:46 AM
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The problem with online dating is, women will judge you only on your physical qualities because that's all she had to go on from your profile. In the "real world", a man's appearance isn't a do or die factor. That's why you often see average looking men with very good looking women (rarely vice versa). A man's game can make up for physical shortcomings. But you can't express game on a dating profile. With so many profiles to see, you can't blame women for being super shallow on dating apps. That…
/r/seduction24/04/22 04:01 AM
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Unlike guys, women aren't content with just sleeping with others. In fact, the thought of being "slutty" is abhorrent to her. Being called "slutty" is truly the worst insult for women. They're on Tinder to find a good guy and relationship. Yes, the site has reputation for hook ups. But in the back of her mind, she's hoping it'll be more than that. It's a site where meeting someone is assured (for women) so she's seeking the diamond in the rough. Funny, a guy who's rated a 9 or 10 is banging shit…
/r/seduction21/04/22 10:13 PM
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As long as she's over 18, it's OK. As for being "creepy", why worry about what others think? Other people aren't walking around judging and if they do, they're the ones being creepy. If you're going to succeed at seduction, there has to be a bit of indifference to what others think. If you sacrifice what you desire just to fit a mold, you're gonna have a tough life.
/r/seduction21/04/22 09:34 PM
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When I first started college, the first thing I noticed is how much harder it is to make friends. Back in high school, it seemed so effortless. I didn't even need social skills (which I sucked at). Now as an adult, I have to go out of my way to befriend someone and have social skills. It's almost like finding a normal friend requires the same "game" as dating. But that's how it's gonna be and it's not worth complaining about it. Most friends as adults are acquired from work. If you don't have th…
/r/seduction21/04/22 01:33 AM
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No way should you ghost her just because she wants a hug. Lots of people have gone on dates (including me) where goodbyes were said without physical interaction. This is not a concern. However, don't make communicating with her such a big deal or you're gonna creep her out. She's gonna think "one date and this dude is obsessed". Just breezily text her and say something inconsequential without planning a date. Something like, "wow therez lots of cops outside my hosue rite now". Building attractio…
/r/seduction21/04/22 12:09 AM
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Here's the deal. Women are great at detecting a guy's inner game. Your behavior and body language probably struck her as of being hesitant, afraid and indecisive. And reading your post, that sounds exactly what you were thinking when she made overtures towards you. Sadly, these are low value traits women aren't gonna find attractive. You're only going to get a few chances to make a good impression so next time, make it count. In the meantime, work up ways so that you don't feel so nervous around…
/r/seduction20/04/22 11:52 PM
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The problem with dating apps like Tinder is, women have to go on your appearance because they have nothing else to go on. For us men, we're primarily visual. For women, they're less hung up on what a guy looks like. That's why you often see very attractive women with average looking guys (rarely the other way around). However, on a dating app, a man doesn't get to express non-physical qualities. As such, women can only go on your appearance because that's all there is on a dating profile. Unless…
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:13 PM
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I'd give her another shot. At least she offered another day. This being Tinder and she's attractive, she might have went out with another guy.
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:03 PM
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The best way to communicate with a love interest is by not impressing her. I call it "not talking on eggshells". Just say what's on your mind. Because when you try to impress, it sounds obvious and try-hard. It also reaks in low confidence since you're signaling a need to put up an act. Of course, don't blurt out things that are cruel or racist or in obvious bad taste. Otherwise, speaking as if you don't have a filter not only makes you sound more confident but she'll think you're more fun to ta…
/r/seduction20/04/22 08:54 PM
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I think your self esteem is so low, you'd just take anyone. Improving self esteem is a huge topic on it's own. But it usually comes when you make achievements such as finding a good job or graduating college or getting in shape.
/r/seduction20/04/22 08:47 PM
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The problem is, the Fuck Yes girls are lower quality. Girls who are great for dating, sex, relationships, etc. will rarely throw themselves at a man so easily. There's nothing wrong with a guy putting up some effort at persuasion as long as he's not throwing himself onto her (being a Fuck Yes man).
/r/seduction20/04/22 07:43 PM
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NEVER CHASE A WOMAN. It's not about ego. It's statistically a bad idea. If she's showing definite disinterest, she probably sees you as low value. If you persist, she'll see you as a door mat, creep, orbiter, pathetic, etc., and perceive you as even lower value. But if you drop her, she might raise her perception of you. "Wow, he's not chasing. He must have other girls and not be so worthless". Granted, the odds she'll come around is still low, but higher than if you keep chasing. You just gotta…
/r/seduction20/04/22 06:44 PM
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Your mistake might have been labeling the invite as a "date". Why be so explicit? Your can just ask to meet for lunch or say you wanna "hang out". There are girls who are shy or awkward so the word "date" makes her panic even if she likes you.
/r/seduction20/04/22 03:49 PM
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You can't. A lot of PUAs talk about being "outcome independent" which I think is a bullshit concept. It's a way to lie to yourself so you wouldn't feel so bad about rejection. It's like not being invited to a party and you say "I didn't wanna go anyways". When a guy does an approach, he has an objective. The objective is to get a phone number, go on a date or even just getting her to talk. The problem is, anytime you have an objective, you're not outcome independent. What you have is just approa…
/r/seduction19/04/22 12:19 AM
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The problem with pickup in general, day or night game, is that the guy is obsessed with women and obsessed with results. Women can smell a guy being hungry. No matter how "outcome independent" he tells himself to be, he's still enslaved to women and their reaction. A guy should just focus on being socially active she not make meeting women his priority.
/r/seduction15/04/22 12:14 AM
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Then don't talk so much about yourself and have a genuine interest in the other person and focus the conversation there. Not only will they enjoy the conversation more, you'll maintain a bit of mystery for yourself. If you just yak about yourself, the other party will likely listen just to be polite but wishes she were talking to someone else more interesting.
/r/seduction08/04/22 11:36 PM
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Everything can be learned online. Most of it is practice anyway using trial and error that suits your personal style and circumstance.
/r/seduction06/04/22 12:08 AM
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I don't find this strange. Sometimes a women just isn't feeling it from you. You'll just need to accept this will happen and that you'll never know the reason. Just continue to do your thang, don't chase her or contract her. Who knows? Maybe she'll re-emerge when you least expect it.
/r/seduction26/03/22 12:48 AM
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Here's the deal. You don't need high status to be attractive. You only need potential for it. For example, lots of guys in college get seriously laid even though they're penniless, jobless, have huge debts and have no status (even worse than you as a cashier). That proves it's not your current status or situation that matters to women but where they think you're heading. There's nothing wrong working as a cashier as long as you demonstrate you have greater ambitions and motivations. You must con…
/r/seduction24/03/22 09:46 AM
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If a girl shows no interest or disrespects you, you MUST walk. Don't get pissed or react. Just seek elsewhere. This isn't just about your pride. It makes sense from a probability standpoint... Option #1 - If you keep chasing, the odds you'll change her mind is practically zero. She's likely disinterested because you failed to show any high-value traits. By chasing and being her doormat, she sees you as even lower value. Option #2 - If you drop her, there's a chance she sees that as a high-value …
/r/seduction22/03/22 03:42 PM
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There are certain people who always needs to be right, always needs to voice an opinion and are self righteous. Your communism rant which has nothing to do with seduction sounds like that's you and that's a serious turn off for women. Because needing to prove you're right or smart is super low value behavior and reeks of low self esteem. You might think you never share those thoughts, but I'm sure it comes through in other ways.
/r/seduction09/10/21 03:44 AM
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Your rant about communism which is completely irrelevant is really odd and I wonder if stuff like this comes out when you talk to women. You're gonna say no but these kinds of thoughts usually surface one way or another.
/r/seduction09/10/21 02:54 AM
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If you have terrible social anxiety, this is something you should address before you even think about girls. Even if you can get her to talk in-person, if you seem anxious and come off as being weird, there'd be no point in speaking to her. There's no simple shortcut and don't think someone can give you a few tips on how to talk to girls and all would be good. Women are quite forgiving of a man's physical flaws. But there's brutally unforgiving over personality flaws. Overcoming anxiety is about…
/r/seduction08/10/21 01:39 AM
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People around here talk a lot about friendzone but that's exaggerated. You're not gonna like what I'll say, but being friendzone simply means she's not attracted to you. Period. We shouldn't invent jargon to describe that very simple fact. If you start off well and it doesn't go anywhere, it's normally because she got comfortable and you're not injecting sexual tension. Don't see "tension" as a bad word. Tension means you and her have a slightly unstable relationship that sometimes leads to bick…
/r/seduction06/10/21 02:58 AM
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This post might seem cute, but it's a recipe for disaster, especially the end when you said you need woman to validate your worth. Holy shit, the power a woman will have over you will make your life hell. Woman can instinctually smell this. If she feels you need her, she'll be less attracted to you as nobody can respect another a man who's clingy and obsessed. The best relationships are based on want and not need. "I want to be with you but I don't need to be with you".
/r/seduction06/10/21 01:21 AM
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HELL NO. The seduction process also means you make yourself attractive so they come to you or at least get them to be receptive to your advances. Nothing about this sub requires you to supplicate yourself to women and beg her to like you.
/r/seduction05/10/21 08:38 AM
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From your post, it seems you believe the woman is the prize and your job is to convince her to like you. If this is your mindset, you're going to have a hard time dating. The truth is, if you do a good job cultivating a good personality, live an interesting life and improve your appearance, you'll find women will take some, half or even most of the initiative. I have a girlfriend and during the dating and pre-dating process, she probably did 60% of the work. Don't ever believe woman won't take i…
/r/seduction05/10/21 08:28 AM
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Your flaw is reading so many PUA books and following that nonsense.
/r/seduction04/10/21 08:07 AM
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Some girls, not all
/r/seduction04/10/21 06:52 AM
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When you say you're "better" than this other guy, bear in mind you don't know what kind of chemistry they have. Or maybe he has a huge dick and can make her cum hard. The point is, it's good you're confident about yourself but it's foolish to be so sure.
/r/seduction04/10/21 02:58 AM
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Your friend probably didn't know you were interested in her. As for how to do this if a stranger intrudes, in what situation would you be with a girl and a random dude comes in and steals her? That doesn't seem likely. By you using the phrase AMOG, I have a feeling you're reading PUA literature most of it is absolute garbage and will do you more harm than good.
/r/seduction03/10/21 06:19 PM
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Get better friends.
/r/seduction03/10/21 06:04 PM
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I wouldn't bring it up at all. If she does, you'd say something like "yeah, it's too bad, I was looking forward to it". That's it. Bringing it up serves no purpose and if anyone says otherwise, I'd like to hear your argument.
/r/seduction03/10/21 03:38 PM
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Don't do "cocky funny" my friend. I know this is a throwback to the old PUA days. The problem with "cocky funny" is, most guys tend to overdo the cocky part. You can be alluring by being funny, playful and teasing without being cocky.
/r/seduction03/10/21 04:09 AM
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What I find contradictory about the PUA community is, they talk about being outcome independent and not being obsessed with pickup, then they write all sorts of field reports and getting completely analytical about every word and gesture they do. They're EXTREMELY outcome dependent and EXTREMELY obsessed with women. Like you said, it comes out when they talk to women. Lots of PUAs who do night game cold approach just don't know how creepy they are.
/r/seduction03/10/21 03:08 AM
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Those are good suggestions! However, I disagree with #2. You should talk about the other person's interests. It's sad but people generally care more about their own interests than yours. If your passion is some latest show on Netflix, no matter how energetic you sound, the other person will doze off. Here's are a few more tips... - Show your hands by making appropriate hand gestures. It's a scientific fact that people who show their hands are perceived as being more trustworthy. You can look up …
/r/seduction02/10/21 07:04 PM
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I have two bits of advice... First, to have longer conversation, I usually use superlatives. If she talked about just coming back from vacation, I'd say ... - What was your favorite thing to do? - What did you like least about your trip? - What was the most memorable moment? Using superlatives can apply to any conversation. Second, I should warn against trying too hard to extend conversation because that's gonna creep her out. There's nothing wrong with a conversation running its course and ejec…
/r/seduction02/10/21 07:27 AM
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Consider this. Being short is a objective fact. But being ugly is an opinion. Even if you feel you're ugly, some might think it's no big deal or that you're average looking. I met a girl once with a permanent red blotch on her face as if sunburnt. It's a natural born condition. It's really no big deal. Of course it's best not to have it. But she was obsessed about it. I assured her no guy is not going to be interested just because of that blotch. But she's convinced it's the ugliest thing ever. …
/r/seduction02/10/21 02:32 AM
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I wouldn't say it's "creepy" but it's unusual and unnatural. The vast majority of relationships didn't start with a guy cold approaching on the streets. If you ask most girls, yes, the vast majority of them deems it sleeazy. I think cold approaching is overrated and it's usually PUA coaches trying to make money who thinks it's a great idea. The truth is, 99% of men find it terrifying and chicken out on the approach. Those who can open, the approach is almost always an abject failure. The girl of…
/r/seduction30/09/21 01:12 AM
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Here's why... A woman can only produce a limited number of offspring in her lifetime. Once pregnant, she's out of commission for nine months. And she's only reasonably fertile until her mid 30s. On the other hand, men can theoretically produce an unlimited number of offspring. As such, through evolutionary programming, women have greater need to be very picky since she can only produce a few offspring. She needs a guy who's truly into her and pick one who's a social leader who can provide and he…
/r/seduction29/09/21 08:36 PM
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I'm not against cold approach especially for guys who truly enjoy doing it. The problem is, the overwhelming majority of guys do not enjoy doing it. Forcing oneself to cold approach at a bar is dreadful for 99% guys. Being shot down a vast majority of the time is also dreadful. A seduction method that guys enjoy is infinitely superior to one the guy does not enjoy. This is why I preach a more relaxed day game where there is less pressure and where conversations seem more natural. I think most gu…
/r/seduction29/09/21 07:24 AM
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This is gonna sound cliché but it's extremely true. How you say something is infinitely more important than what you say. Try to notice your tonality... - Are you speaking in an animated upbeat manner? Or are you monotone? Of course, sounding hyper isn't ideal either. The goal is to be 1 to 2 levels higher than her. - Are you talking as if this is something serious? Or are you making it sound light and breezy? Obviously, she doesn't want to chat if it sounds serious. - Are you speaking too fast?…
/r/seduction29/09/21 06:50 AM
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Perhaps I should have clarified that there's nothing wrong going into bars and clubs with friends. But I wouldn't suggest a guy, particularly a short one, to go by himself with the intention of doing pickup. I understand the practice could be good, but there are other low pressure venues to practice, ones where there's far greater chance of connecting with someone.
/r/seduction28/09/21 09:25 PM
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I never said to be a constant orbiter, only to open an opportunity for guys to sneak in when she's receptive to conversing with him. As for your comment about who'll say no to free attention, you must have never seen girls blow off a guy (his free attention) in pickup.
/r/seduction28/09/21 09:14 PM
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I'm not against pickup. I'm just being honest in that it's not particularly helpful for shorter guys. We live in an unfair world. When shorter guys do a cold approach, he's gonna shot down way more than a tall guy and this fucks up self esteem. Pickup isn't the only way (or even the best way) to meet someone. There are so many venues you can go to meet girls like what I've described in my post where you can meet more effectively and in a low pressure environment. Look, I've studied pick up too. …
/r/seduction28/09/21 08:49 PM
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I haven't read PUA stuff in over a decade. But back then, PUA seduction material never seemed to understand that you can be a nice guy without being a weak guy. PUA is all about being alpha or beta without any shades of gray. A guy should be nice and visit a girl in the hospital. But where many guys go wrong is, he is too nice and too available when she doesn't deserve it. For example, most girls when experiencing a nice guy will eventually start taking him for granted. That's the sad truth. So …
/r/seduction28/09/21 08:40 PM
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OK, overnight, I had 20 people ask what my recommended YouTube sources are. I'll just state it here... One YouTube channel that I think would have helped in my 20s is Alpha Male Strategies. It's a black dude sharing dating advice and generally how to be an attractive guy. He wants you to be able to sell to the woman a dream of going on a great ride with you. Despite the name of the channel, he's not teaching guys "to be alpha". He actually hates PUA stuff. He's more about teaching guys to have a…
/r/seduction28/09/21 07:56 PM
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I never said to "be beta" which I presume means being a weak pushover. Like I mentioned in my post, I didn't want to go into details on what I think is a good strategy. But had I gone into details, I would never advocate guys to be weak and a doormat. By the way, it's not helpful to classify men as either alpha or beta. That sounds very much like macho PUA talk. A guy can be nice without being weak.
/r/seduction28/09/21 06:59 PM
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The reason online dating sucks for men is, it's hard for men to convey their attractive qualities on a dating profile. What makes a man attractive is his sense of confidence, ambition, humor and being an interesting all-around guy. Since it's hard to convey these traits on a profile, women can only judge you by your photo, your income, your age/height/weight, etc. You become an impersonal number. We've all known physically flawed men who get hot girlfriends. Clearly, women are more forgiving of …
/r/seduction20/09/21 11:12 AM
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The problem is that you're dating on Tinder where you as a person is summed up by a bunch of numbers, words and a few photos. Reading your replies to this thread, I can tell your attitude sucks horribly.
/r/seduction22/10/20 08:23 AM
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An abundant mentality isn't just about feeling an abundance of choices in women. It's also about feeling an abundance in time. You don't want the girl to think you need to seal the deal right away, that you can wait until someone better comes along or a better situation comes around. As for being in a secluded location, I'm sure there is a large population within 2-3 hours drive or bus/train ride away where you can spend a frequent weekend getaway.
/r/seduction15/05/20 03:22 AM
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He's talking about Jesse's new product from simple pickup.
/r/seduction14/05/20 06:03 PM
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Bro, you must never have girls be the main focus of your life.
/r/seduction13/05/20 09:10 AM
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There's nothing wrong with her being comfortable talking to you. But does your conversations ever involve tension? Do you often disagree (whether playfully or seriously)? or is it all about agreeing and smooth conversations? No matter how good things seem between you and her, if there isn't tension, you're walking straight into the friend-zone. There is also danger in talking too much. Make sure you keep it fun, light and short. Make sure she initiates most of the time and make sure it's you who…
/r/seduction13/05/20 09:09 AM
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- Everybody on this board has known hot girls with ugly guys. - Everybody has known ugly or average looking guys who get laid constantly. - Everybody has known really good looking guys who might get initial interest from women, but her interest fades quickly. I'm not saying a man's looks aren't important, but clearly they aren't as important you'd think. As proof, have you ever wondered why women don't have porn stashes like men do? Instead, women read trashy romance novels instead. This shows w…
/r/seduction07/05/20 06:13 AM
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I don't think there's anything wrong with lingering here. I've recovered from my social awkwardness. But I'm here to give advice and also to chat about an interesting topic. I think even married guys in good relationships would enjoy coming here to chat and exchange ideas.
/r/seduction06/05/20 08:40 AM
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There is no book that would appeal or help everyone. We're all too unique. I'll just say, my favorite seduction information source is a Youtube channel called "Develop Attraction". Their videos are short and to the point and has helped me a lot.
/r/seduction06/05/20 03:52 AM
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If being nice worked, this forum wouldn't exist. All the nice guys would be happy and getting laid while all the assholes would be sexless loners. Clearly, the opposite is true in this strange and unfair world of ours. Successful seduction is counter-intuitive which is why it's hard. Figuring out a plan is hard while executing it is even harder. You see, a man's mind is simple: if she looks hot and not entirely crazy, he'll want her. But a women's mind is filled with strange hormonal contradicti…
/r/seduction06/05/20 03:35 AM
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There could be zillions of reasons why she lost interest. But consider this. You said about yourself "I really am not comfortable being me". If you're not comfortable with yourself, why should she? Seduction experts can write an entire book on how to get and sustain a women's interest. There are plenty of good material here and on YouTube so you shouldn't take a lazy shortcut asking Reddit for general advice. You should take time and seek out comprehensive advice on improving your game and your …
/r/seduction06/05/20 03:27 AM
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I don't know a single person who thinks dating is like a full time job.
/r/seduction04/05/20 06:14 AM
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NO, you got it wrong. You definitely have to show interest. What you cannot show is being her sure thing unconditionally. Your vibe should come off as "look, you're attractive...but what else do you have to deserve me". Or "look, you're cute...but what do you have that other cute girls don't". That may sound arrogant, but girls do it all the time when dealing with guys. This vibe has to come out in what you say and what you do. If you've shown interest and demonstrated you've locked into her and…
/r/seduction30/04/20 06:14 AM
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Lemme tell you why I disagree with almost everything in your post. The real reason men suck at communicating is because they're too obsessed with saying the right things. I can see guys reading your list and constantly trying to perform the three things you've suggested. So he comes off as being a try-hard (trying to be perfect) or being fake (trying to be alpha when he's not) or sounding socially awkward (saying shit that's inappropriate to the situation). Any of those three will reveal your in…
/r/seduction28/04/20 07:00 AM
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Don't fall into the trap of thinking that attraction triggers that work on men will work on women. The two genders think very differently precisely because their strategies for survival and reproduction are different. We all know men in the real world who are far from the physical ideal but yet still score a lot with women. That proves that a man's appearance, while it matters, don't matter as much as many people think.
/r/seduction06/05/17 08:15 PM
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I think it's OK if she "occasionally" cancels. All of us have shit that comes up. And the fact she offers to reschedule, especially if she suggests a specific date/time, is a good sign. I wouldn't consider that to be "her shit".
/r/seduction19/01/17 05:07 AM
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Haha, there's plenty of material here and YouTube.
/r/seduction19/01/17 12:17 AM
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You're wayyyyy off-track when it comes to seduction from the way you talk repeatedly about your appearance Women are very forgiving when it comes to a man's physical flaws. But they are brutally unforgiving over character flaws. Any hint of low confidence, low assertiveness, low sexual energy and low ambition and you're just friend material no matter how you look. So while you should reasonably improve appearance, obtaining proper character traits are what you should primarily work on.
/r/seduction18/01/17 11:56 PM
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The purpose of text is to get her out in-person. There is no way a guy can seduce a woman with ASCII characters.
/r/seduction18/01/17 11:49 PM
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From Mark Manson's book... If it's not a "FUCK YES", it's a NO.
/r/seduction18/01/17 10:58 PM
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This video is atrocious. First, he says not to treat her special with an analogy that you don't treat your guy buddies special. Then, he says you should tell her you like her, which is the opposite of not treating her special. Then he wraps up with the brilliant observation that, if you don't try, you'll never know.
/r/seduction18/01/17 07:22 PM
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If you're so "free of the outcome", then why are you sweating it? By writing that, I have a feeling you're someone who masks his feelings and intent to her. You don't tell her upfront and honest what you want. And now, when she has placed you in queue probably for other guys, you're freaking out. Saying to her "I wouldn't mind seeing where this goes" is, to be frank, a really wimpy thing to say. Will she see you as a man of action, or someone who has low confidence and unsure of himself? So have…
/r/seduction18/01/17 09:52 AM
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If you draw self-esteem from your appearance, it's a recipe for disaster. You'll never be good-looking enough and there will always be guys better looking than you. That will make you perpetually insecure, which is fatal to your love life. To be sure, your looks matter. That's why you want to do what you can reasonably do to improve it. But women are clearly far more forgiving over a man's physical imperfections than men are with a woman's. Hence, that is why you see the ugly, fat, bald guys wit…
/r/seduction18/01/17 08:23 AM
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If you approach girls at a mall and other guys see you, I bet they'll envy you. Most guy won't have the balls to do it. The same with schoolmates seeing you do it. Fine, there will be some assholes at school who'll give you a hard time. I presume you're in high school, a time in your life when you're surrounded by the largest collection of rejects and retards. But I guarantee most of the time, they're deep-down jealous and respect you for approaching chicks. And most of them would secretly want …
/r/seduction18/01/17 01:42 AM
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I recommend Robert Glover's book No More Mr Nice Guy and hear his free podcasts on YouTube. Glover's message is similar to Models but much better.
/r/seduction17/01/17 09:08 PM
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If you're referring to Models by Mark Manson, which I have read, you'll realize other people's opinions are unimportant. Being a slave to opinions is possibly the most self-esteem crushing thing you can do.
/r/seduction17/01/17 08:47 PM
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Wait..."no one" would bang an attractive girl who invited herself over?
/r/seduction17/01/17 08:19 PM
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The more I was being indifferent, the more IOIs she would give me This is classic example why PUA stuff is garbage. A lot of guys play push-pull or act aloof thinking it will attract the girl. The truth is, while you were celebrating those IOIs, you were digging your own grave. If you play silly seduction games, you're being indirect, non-aggressive and wishy-washy. Even if she was interested, she will slowly develop the impression you're some low-value male with zero confidence. No one can blam…
/r/seduction17/01/17 07:46 PM
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Do not go indirect. When you suddenly approach someone, she knows exactly why you're approaching. You're not fooling anyone and you come off as slimy and tactical. Let's talk about the classic indirect opener via Mystery Method... "Hey, I have to get back to my friends so I only have a minute. But I need a female opinion. Who lies more? Men or women?" In this opener, you told three lies. You lied about getting back to your friends. You lied about having only a minute. You lied about needing a fe…
/r/seduction17/01/17 07:21 PM
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My definition of push-pull is to play hot and cold...all to give the impression you don't really care and to confuse her. These seduction games are an atrocious idea. Guys want it to work becuase he feels he's in control. The truth is, the cons outweights the pros.
/r/seduction17/01/17 07:10 PM
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Push/pull, meaning you confuse her, is really a bad idea for the following reasons... First, women seek confident direct guys who know exactly what they want. If you act hot and cold or react to her shit, you come across as indecisive, wishy-washy, petty and unsure. This is a major turn-off for women. Second, if the girl suspects you're playing games, she will likely play some of her own. Then it becomes a useless battle of egos where the woman almost never backs down. Third, there's such a thin…
/r/seduction17/01/17 03:44 AM
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Stop using dating websites and try meeting people in person.
/r/seduction16/01/17 09:42 AM
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A lot of "rejections" turn out to be successes later. I'm not saying you should keep pursuing (what some of you call "persistence game"). In fact, you shouldn't persist or otherwise risk being labeled as a stalker who can't take a hint. A lot of women gain respect for you for taking rejection well, which increases the chances of a YES down the road. I'm not saying it's likely she'll come around, but surely it's more likely than if you act poorly or if you persist. Also, how did you get "rejected…
/r/seduction16/01/17 01:52 AM
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So do rich people. Everybody settles one form or another.
/r/seduction15/01/17 03:16 AM
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It means, if you keep blaming other people, you will not be on the path of self-improvement.
/r/seduction15/01/17 12:19 AM
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I'm playing as white. 1. e4 c5 2.Na3?! My opponent who simply memorized will shit in his pants wondering what to do next. Just like, the PUAs who memorize all those seduction lines and routines won't know what to do if the woman does something unexpected. The guy how understands chess strategy will not get flustered.
/r/seduction15/01/17 12:12 AM
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There are some men who blame feminism on why they can't score chicks. Feminism is the political and social belief that women are equal to a man. To some men, feminism makes women more demanding, more picky and less willing to appease a man.
/r/seduction14/01/17 11:57 PM
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To give it a chess analogy....men should know the strategy to chess, not memorize the moves. You can memorize fifty variations to the Sicilian Defense and blitz out your first ten moves. But it's far better to understand the strategies behind the Sicilian, which reduces need to memorize and improves your ability to improvise if your opponent strays from the book.
/r/seduction14/01/17 11:53 PM
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There is absolutely no correlation between income and marriage rate.
/r/seduction14/01/17 11:46 PM
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I can prove money matters less than most guys think. How many guys in college without much money are banging tons of hot chicks? In general, who's scoring more? The guy working for Google with six-figure income? Or the idealistic artist traveling the world without much? In our Western world, women can earn as much money as men. What women are seeking is not money per se, but your sense of ambition and destiny. All else equal, of course more money is better. But the disadvantage can be easily ove…
/r/seduction14/01/17 08:09 PM
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I bet I can stand at a trendy spot in my city tonight and see plenty of short dudes out with girlfriends and wives. If they can do it, why not you? Neil Strauss, the most well-known pickup artist, is white, balding and your height. There are plenty of guys in your situation who have many girlfriends throughout their lives. Your last paragraph says it all. Do women not like you for your height...or your low confidence? Like I've said repeatedly on Reddit, if you have shitty confidence, it will re…
/r/seduction14/01/17 08:03 PM
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Giving all she wants is not a "nice guy". It's a "weak guy", which I've already said is not an attractive quality. Obviously, an asshole gets more lays simply because weak nice guys are afraid to initiate and escalate. So to get the best of both words, he should be the nice, assertive, sexual guy. Who said a nice guy cannot push for sex? Don't see the world as two competing extremes (assholes vs nice guys). There are lots of in-betweens.
/r/seduction14/01/17 12:36 PM
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When is being laid back the opposite of taking initiative?
/r/seduction14/01/17 12:19 PM
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Being on welfare and obese are lifestyle choices. When we're talking about excuses, we're talking about things we cannot easily change, like race, height, face structure, education, money, etc.
/r/seduction14/01/17 12:04 PM
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There are broad principles important to seduction, such as having an interesting lifestyle, to be aggressive, be risk-taker, not to give a fuck, be honest, be sexual, etc. But the detailed rules and routines are counterproductive. If one approaches seduction with an instruction manual, he's admitting to himself that he's not good enough, that he needs to wear a mask and play a role. And that is devastating to self-esteem, which in turn screws up his game. When it comes to bad self-esteem, there'…
/r/seduction14/01/17 11:27 AM
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Do you give off a vibe that you're seeking validation? For example, do you mention to women about going to a top university or having money? Because bragging about it, even if you don't think it's bragging, makes you appear insecure and a suck up. In your post, you seem so focus on material things, and I have a feeling it comes off as being a try-hard when you interact with women.
/r/seduction14/01/17 08:56 AM
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Unless you make over $200k per year, I don't think you'd need to worry about gold-diggers.
/r/seduction14/01/17 06:52 AM
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Don't go for smooch right away. Go from putting your arm around her shoulders, then around her waist...then full frontal hug...etc. If she persists in not allowing you to escalate physically, you need to accept that as sign she's not into you. If she likes you, she'll allow you to invade her space.
/r/seduction14/01/17 06:50 AM
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90% of game is your self esteem. If you keep getting shot down by the same girl and there's no other girl in the picture, it's gonna affect your self esteem which further impacts your game with other girls. That's why I'd reconsider the idea of "persistence game", which sounds to me as "pathetic loser borderline stalker" game. A guy who doesn't get the hint will never be seen as a sexually attractive person. If you keep chasing, the odds are super low she's finally relent...and if she does, it'd…
/r/seduction14/01/17 12:20 AM
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I got professional help with my texts...and I got laid by 10 supermodels in just one week!!!!!!
/r/seduction12/01/17 05:20 AM
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Just pay for the darn meal and don't be a noob! If you don't want to pay much, just go somewhere casual for the first few dates. The girl is not gonna see you as some high-value alpha just because you didn't pay for her $6 burger combo. You might think "by not paying, she's gonna think I'm a high-value catch because i don't need to impress her". But she's thinking, "I don't believe this guy needs to resort to stupid tricks to prove his manliness".
/r/seduction09/01/17 06:00 PM
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Every women may be different, but that doesn't mean there aren't common traits most women tend to seek. Let's flip it around. Not all guys are sexually attracted to slender girls. There are some chubby chasers out there. But chubby chasers are rare. So if you're woman, to play the odds, you obviously want to be in-shape. A woman shouldn't think "well, I'm obese but that's OK because there will be some who'd like me". That's how guys should view women. 95% of women do indeed seek similar qualitie…
/r/seduction08/01/17 10:55 PM
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This isn't really a pickup article since the guy is married. Still, it has implications since it's about cold approaching and overcoming fear of rejection. Can you resolve to approach one stranger per day?
/r/seduction08/01/17 09:30 PM
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90% of game is self-esteem. If you love yourself and have a good outlook on life, it will show in everything you say and do. So you should know, your need to impress someone will utterly destroy your self esteem because it's a tact admission that you're not good enough, that she's the prize, and that you're just the lowly suitor who needs to win her. Women are particularly good at sensing when a guy seeks her approval and has an agenda. It's not a good idea to think you can impress her with weal…
/r/seduction08/01/17 12:38 AM
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Dr Robert Glover changed my life. But it wasn't just the book. Go to Youtube and you can watch some of his podcasts that give info better than the book. Remember, he wrote the book 15 years ago. The podcasts reflect his more recent teachings which presents materal that is more extensive and polished. From Glover, I've learned that a lot of PUA tactics and seduction rules are stupid. As corny as this sounds, the best approach to women is just be fucking upfront and act with authority. Don't do al…
/r/seduction07/01/17 08:38 AM
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I don't think anybody can beat me when it comes to shitty self-esteem back in high school and most of college. Like you, I've had my share of girls who seem interested. But many times, I'd sabotage it as a defense mechanism. A defense mechanism usually means I'd run away or ruin relations with someone before giving that person a chance to hurt me. It's a "first strike" mentality and, if you have it, you social life will take a hit. What I'd like to remind you is this. EVERYBODY has their insecur…
/r/seduction07/01/17 01:10 AM
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I agree with #2, which is why I view most PUA literature with contempt. If you repeat canned lines and routines or do something you wouldn't otherwise do, it's a tact admission that you're not good enough and hence, need to hide behind seduction tactics. There's nothing more devastating to self-esteem than knowing you are not good enough. On #3, OMG, you and I see eye-to-eye and it's the #1 thing I learned in 2016. I used to never tell a woman I liked her because I was afraid of "giving her all …
/r/seduction05/01/17 09:03 AM
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Trust me when I say, when I was in college, I was the ultimate loser with women. It got better when I read The Game by Neil Strauss and countless other PUA books. It exposed how "nice guys" do indeed end up last, and how there is a certain biologically programmed way women look at men. But those PUA books only got me good at first impressions. After a date or two, it all went downhill. Then I came across Dr Robert Glover's works....and I realized why. It was those idiotic PUA books and all these…
/r/seduction04/01/17 05:09 AM
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I think some of your advice is good. But where it goes very wrong is how invested you are in the outcome. Just by reading it, it seems you're extremely concerned what the woman thinks about you and how you need a certain outcome. Women are good at detecting these types of guys, and it's not a desirable trait. Another thing. Don't have all these "rules". It kinda reminds me of the Mystery Method where seduction advice is mapped out like an algebraic equation. For example, "[d]on't pay for her dri…
/r/seduction04/01/17 04:34 AM
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Everybody will get hurt in this dating game...that's the risk you have to take if you want to achieve anything in life. That being said, if you've slashed yourself and cried, maybe you're not yet ready to approach someone (let alone date someone). It's time to improve yourself and get your self-esteem up first.
/r/seduction04/01/17 03:48 AM
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You've described the guys who keep reading seduction books, self-help books and forums. The only way to get good is being out there.
/r/seduction04/01/17 03:45 AM
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I learned not to play hard-to-get, not to "keep her guessing" and not to play stupid seduction games like push-pull or negging. I gained this revelation from the works of Robert Glover who wrote No More Mr Nice Guy who advocates being brutally honest and direct. I used to think you have to fuck with a women's head to keep her interest. But I've realized it has harmed more than helped for four main reasons... Your hot and cold comes off as wishy-washy, which is a sign of low-confidence which in t…
/r/seduction01/01/17 11:30 AM
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When the clock strikes midnight, I would have already been in bed. I'm comfortable with my self-worth and confident 2017 will be a great year. So I don't need to kiss someone or even be out to prove anything to anyone or to prove anything to myself.
/r/seduction31/12/16 05:07 AM
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It's interesting how women often think of themselves as the prize. How many times have a woman said "my body is a temple" or "I will only save myself for that special someone". Almost all women think they're something to be pursued over. Yet, if a guy thinks that, some would call it narcissistic and pseudo-alpha male talk. By the way, this self-affirmation business doesn't work unless you have shit to back it up. If you don't take care of your mind, body and spirit, a woman is gonna see right th…
/r/seduction30/12/16 12:26 AM
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Social circle game may be easier and more effective, but the obvious downside is that you're limited to friends of friends which is a much smaller pool than meeting strangers in a social venue. I don't even consider social circle game to be a "game". It's just a natural way to meet people and has been done since the start of the human race.
/r/seduction29/12/16 11:38 AM
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NEW STUDY: Men are attracted to big boobs and young slim girls.
/r/seduction29/12/16 01:10 AM
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Everything you need to learn on pickup can be obtained free or low cost. There's no need to join a bootcamp where "instructors" make grossly inflated claims. Or they show a few videos of themselves successful infield and then imply those successes are typical. Bootcamps serve one valid purpose. That is, to have people apply encouragement, peer pressure and feedback to get you to approach. I can see how being with classmates helps with the anxiety. But you can have friends do that for free. If yo…
/r/seduction28/12/16 06:10 AM
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If a guy gets approached by a girl, he would usually go "wow, that's so cool". But really, it's not. Because right off the bat, she's the aggressor and he's the passive one. No girl wants a passive guy. Right away, the guy is off on the wrong foot. So when an attractive girl approaches me, I actually see it as failure. I lost the chance to give a first impression of me being assertive and an initiator. I'll have to play catch-up. Granted, sometimes in social situations, some girl will come up to…
/r/seduction28/12/16 04:10 AM
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I think Mystery took the idea of peacocking too far and made himself into a cartoon character. But what he said is fundamentally correct. It's not necessarily about standing out. More like, to give someone a reason to talk to you. So if you're with a young crowd and you're wearing a certain band t-shirt, it may give a girl a reason to talk to you. Furthermore, there's such a thing as being fashionable and provoking assumptions. If you look cool, people will make assumptions about you. Granted, M…
/r/seduction28/12/16 12:36 AM
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The ideas of peacocking, negs, routines, etc, that were discussed in The Game and other PUA literature of the era is no longer in vogue today. These days, the emphasis is more on "natural game". That is, to improve your overall sociability and lifestyle rather than specific methods, lines or dress. In a recent interview with Neil Strauss, he was asked whether direct or indirect openers worked best. He said, rightly, that whatever you're comfortable with will work best. That's because 99% of appr…
/r/seduction28/12/16 12:31 AM
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The good news is, you recognize there's a problem. So your desire to change already puts you in the right direction. I wouldn't worry about approaching girls. I'd be more concerned with just being around other people, particularly new people, and learning how to socialize and banter. Once you're better with people, you'll become better with girls. You cannot be good at socializing with girls without being good with socializing with guys. I used to be super shy. Although I'm not perfect today, I'…
/r/seduction27/12/16 11:08 PM
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Once you're out of college, it's harder to socialize simply because you're outside that intense concentration of peers. So it's a numbers game. Your new peer group will likely be coworkers which is a much small pool than a college campus and will comprise of people different from you. Furthermore, there are certain things you cannot get away with in a workplace. That being said, life is what you make of it. Even if attending the ultimate party school, someone can find it boring because the perso…
/r/seduction27/12/16 10:50 PM
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There's nothing wrong making money teaching a valuable skill. Unfortunately, the only way for dating coaches to make real money is to imply they're more successful with women than they actually are. No dating coach will get much clientele by being brutally honest. Imagine..."Hey hire me as your coach...you'll learn how to get 1 out of 10 girls to talk to you...and getting 1 phone number out of 20 approaches mean you're having a great night". That's the honest answer. In the dating coach industry…
/r/seduction23/12/16 08:20 AM
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Direct and honest is the best policy. This is the type of rock-solid confidence that girls get wet over. The problem is, if you ask for sex directly, you'd make her feel like a slut. So the attraction to your confidence will be offset by her desire not to be viewed as just another easy lay. This urges her to say NO despite her mind thinking YES. If you ask her to spend the night and say it in a casual playful way, that's pretty much the same as a sexual proposition without making her feel cheap.
/r/seduction22/12/16 08:20 AM
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You don't need an excuse because you're merely reciprocating. Not to mention, guys aren't as obsessed about personal space as women. Some women get freaked out if a guy touches her for 0.000001 seconds. Guys just don't care. It's important you kino him back though because, if you don't, he might start getting the impression you don't like it. That may cause him to end kino for you.
/r/seduction20/12/16 03:42 AM
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No More Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover is great, but even better are his several podcasts on YouTube. His podcasts fundamentally changed how I think about life and women. Whatever book you may be recommended, I think self-improvement is less about reading and more about doing and getting out there. In fact, reading too much will probably only hurt your inner game.
/r/seduction19/12/16 11:26 PM
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Confidence is great, but this is too strong. Not to mention, you're asking a YES/NO question which you should never do. The point in opening is to get her talking which allows you to display your qualities. The point is not to get her to make an instant decision. When it's time to ask for a date, you shouldn't use the words "a date". It seems less threatening to say "let's get together" or "let's hang out sometime".
/r/seduction19/12/16 11:18 PM
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Dr Robert Glover, the author of this book, is one of the few people who drastically changed my life. IMO, his book was only so-so. But his teachings really shine if you listen to his podcasts which you can hear for free on YouTube. Remember, the book was written 15 years ago. Since then, he's refined his message and added new nuggets of advice. The OP's summary of the book is good, but incomplete. A crucial component of his teaching is the need for pure honestly and integrity with women. That so…
/r/seduction19/12/16 11:37 AM
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