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DebateMOProG2/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:37 AM
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CMVMOProG2/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:09 PM
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Same here. The fantasy of playing an amazing Japanese RPG is hard to say no to. AI has all our data anyways so in a sense they are our digital progeny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:47 AM
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Doesn't all that work both ways? Is it that gendered?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:25 AM
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True. But in the face of modern conveniences, why would you choose the less pleasurable option? Maybe this is all just another Darwinian filter. Those of us unwilling to deal with the pain of dealing with other people won't reproduce. And maybe that doesn't matter anyways when AI replaced us LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:17 AM
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THIS. There are A LOT of things distracting us from people or that give us a deconstructed version Just like how processed food and pesticides have created food abundance, computers have made it so that we can also service the desires of people. And why should we reject these "vices" to get the "real thing"? Some might say population crisis, but even that has a technological solution if push comes to shove and some women have already made it popular (egg freezing and sperm banks). Not to mention…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:00 AM
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As someone who has come full circle on this blue to red to neutral perspective, I completely agree with this. It goes likewise for men as well. It's like living with roommates. They annoy you and compromise sucks. It is easier to live alone and much more peaceful. Hell is other people
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:49 AM
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I agree with this. "Hell is other people" indeed. Makes you wonder why we had to even come into existence. By our nature we are so bad to each other, even when we are aware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:46 AM
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The one exit is AI and robotics. An analogy in film is the world of BladeRunner 2045 or Brave New World. You basically dope up every man so that they aren't dangerous. Sure you have an Eliott Roger here and there but that's nothing compared to what the Vikings accomplished way back when. Most lonely men will just be NEETs or kill themselves or just get stuck in a 9-5 rut of games and porn. Women are less prone to this but they have their own digital and chemical coping strategies. What is slight…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:42 AM
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I'm a sense everyone has taken the red pill thanks to tik Tok. What was gated behind forums has now become almost mainstream (Trump is literally a meme come to life). It's like an episode of Black Mirror but with an ambiguous ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:31 AM
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Did I show you any bad faith? Why can't we just stay in the world of debate and remove the emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:02 PM
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To be clear there would also be men there to protest along with you. How are you not seeing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:01 PM
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Guns are the great equalizer. Arm up if that's a threat. If this issue is important enough you will find the time to organize. Activism isn't supposed to be easy and it never has been. You're not crazy for fighting for abortion rights in your state. Thats the only real issue that has arisen that should have been law decades ago. Why that wasn't a priority IDK half of the population is female so I can't understand how those people keep getting re-elected.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:59 PM
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You'd admit it's rare though? Come on show me some good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:53 PM
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When's the last time you saw someone get assaulted in public for asking a question? Lol you never been in a fight in your life stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:52 PM
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There's gotta be enough women angry enough to make their lives a living hell. I mean we saw students camp outside of universities trying in regards to Israel.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:47 PM
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IDK what to do in that case. It's up to the women and men of Texas to make sure their ELECTED leaders don't overturn state legislation without some sort of grace period. I'd be marching at their house and making it known they won't have peace of they go along with such short sighted legislation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:43 PM
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You really can only say this because you're a woman. Seriously violence is what you resort to when someone asks a question? WTF who raised you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:41 PM
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Ironically women still enforce those roles, esp feminists in dating. I've found I've had to lean into more traditional masculine frame with self proclaimed feminists. I don't see anyone lining up to date the all these super soft femboys or feminine men. That "toxic masculinity" seems to be more effective, hence the birth of TRP to explain to confused men who had internalized feminine traits and weren't having success in dating. Men STILL have to lead in dating to this day. Even with feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:40 PM
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Exactly they read the word "feminism" and reacted. It's annoying AF. People really have this shadow side that kind of just lets me know to stay away if this is how they behave behind screens. I simply asked a question and some of them just start losing their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:35 PM
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No civility. You sound like a terrible person. Just debate the points or move on
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:33 PM
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That's because you're a woman. Men generally don't do that because it tends to go to blows when you get disrespectful. You can just argue the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:32 PM
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This is a blip in history. I can't speak for Texas. I would ask why those representative aren't being removed or made their lives hell. That's on the women of that state to organize during the transition period for new legislators to be elected
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:30 PM
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Abortion is not illegal federally it is a states issue. Now people can use their democratic power and force their local and state governments to make it law. My problem with the modern version of feminism and the various organizations is they are always searching for oppression where there is none. Most women are making good money and have independence. Why are they still claiming oppression? That's the part I don't get. The most powerful and wealthy people in our society are women. As a black m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:27 PM
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Keyword "modern feminism". What exactly is there still to fight for after you have gained legal equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:19 PM
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Modern third wave radical feminism. Not the basic civil rights version.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:17 PM
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Was I talking to you lol? It's just a question. Debate the points please
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:11 PM
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This is a reasonable take as well. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:38 AM
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If we were in the street you wouldn't speak to me like that. I merely asked a question to get debate. If you can't honor that then please don't act like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:37 AM
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This was my larger point. It's mainly a test (esp the crazy stuff). Women will largely relent in the presence of a man of virtue and worthy of respect
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:31 AM
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Why are you on PPD? This is a convo for heterosexual dynamics. Same sex couples don't have these issues that are discussed in PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:29 AM
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Lesbians largely don't matter in this situation. Most of them won't reproduce and most don't want kids to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:26 AM
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I think so. My parents did, but she didn't inherit girl boss mentality. She got her PhD to provide for the family and raised us while in grad school (still cooked and cleaned and made a home). Dad was working in construction and never made much. She never held it against him and respected him as a man. The girl boss phenomenon is so selfish IMO. Late capitalism is literally killing our society and this brand of feminism needs to die
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:24 AM
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The "work is never done" so that the non profits always have employment. Most of this activism is just more NPIC. Never solve the problem so federal dollars can keep people employed In California and other states abortion is legal. I'm most states its still legal. Roe V Wade just made it a state issue. Roe V Wade is just precedent. It didn't make it federally illegal. In states where it becomes illegal women can use the democratic levers and vote in local politicians who will overturn the decisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:19 AM
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It's fine. The complaining about it later just strikes me as silly because this is the world they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:14 AM
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Women subconsciously test men and believe things they themselves can logically see is ridiculous. The famous one being "Men and women are the same" or " I don't need a man to protect me" is just a shit test that no one actually believes, but will say in the moment without knowing why
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:04 AM
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I just answered this in this thread but I'll summarize here: - MeToo culture has created a hostile environment for men to approach women. It assumes that flirting with coworkers can be seen as harassment, even though these are people you see everyday and have much in common with. This extends to the gym, strangers etc. -Girl Boss feminism is basically worship of capitalism and consumerism over family formation. I know women who are able to be successful professionals without leaning into Girl Bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:02 AM
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It is surprising how well these ideologies function to obfuscate the truth. It's funny because the more feminist the society becomes, the more women end up having a smaller pool of eligible men, and then these same women come to complain online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:56 AM
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I named like 5 major problems with modern varieties of feminism. I said nothing of the wonderful thing about feminism (voting rights, right to work, anti discrimination laws, maternity leave etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:54 AM
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MeToo culture is an off-shoot of the Harvey Weinstein revelations. On the surface it was much needed conversation that morphed into a world of men afraid to approach coworkers or strangers in the fears of being labeled harasser. The men who ignore MeToo (generally the more narcissistic, self obsessed) overcame this "shit test" and have more success with women and have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:52 AM
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This is why men don't want to commit anymore. Marriage is a joke if there is no honor in that commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:49 AM
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The set of ideals that goes beyond basic civil rights. The emphasis on enforced equality of outcomes and the denialism of biological realities, Me Too culture, girl boss feminism, 4B Movement, borderline misandry in some radical circles
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:41 AM
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Most women will hear you out but it generally destabilizes the relationship in regards to sexual attraction in the long run. Women idealize their behavior and claim they are the exception but when the moment arises they are generally not as forgiving or patient. This is not to say women aren't nurturing or compassionate. Women are great with this emotional empathy towards children and the elderly. But for the man of the relationship she is expecting the man to be in control of his world and to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:37 AM
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Lol good one! Man with a Missed on fan🐺?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:27 AM
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So this is just a memetic virus?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:16 AM
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The "ick" isn't just a meme. Right now I just (in a small way) vented to you. And many in this sub probably did the same. The instinct to deny this reality demonstrate my point. The woman will not in most situations have the same level of patience. It's not because women are bad, but it's because defacto they aren't good at handling a man being emotional (and yes male anger is a man being vulnerable).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:14 AM
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The tree won't judge you. Your SO will most of the time. Women don't handle stress to well so showing your vulnerability is a way of destabilizing the relationship. You have to be strong as a man. There is a lot of pleasantries about being vulnerable with your woman and it's very hyperbolic. Men are not like women where "talking it out" will solve anything. This is why talk therapy sucks for men. So between talking to a tree and an SO, with the tree you know what you need to do now that you've s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:27 AM
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Granted I agree partially with you that the online space if full of exaggeration. But enough people have this as a lived experience that it goes viral. I mean the increasing presence of women in their late 30s unmarried and wanting for a man of value and incels. How would you explain this rise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:20 AM
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This assumes you need women. Monks have proved you can learn to be happy without. Also the obsession with sexual relationships somehow the key to happiness is actually the part of the problem. It creates the dynamic of putting women on a pedestal. Ironically you become more attractive the less you worry about this stuff. But it has to be righteous and authentic and not a strategy, which means most TRPs are SOL. And if they get in a relationship I promise you will realize it's not the savior of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 01:33 PM
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Valid but everyone can learn to appreciate what they have. It's the only way to realistically move forward in life. But I suspect many enjoy the suffering. I used to be there so I get it, but it's a bad place to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 11:56 AM
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I assume people know what black pill is. Black Pillers are just naive and usually too young to know better. Red Pillers should know better and still give up despite their actual power in the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:48 AM
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BASED. The passport bro phenomenon needs it's own reddit post. Didn't expect this many comments on this one. Faulty worldviews galore. I know this because the men in my family overseas are very hardened and very masculine compared to the soft-handed men. These men can tell stories, aren't afraid of women or put them on pedestals like these former nice guys turned sexpats. I could go on and on. Should probably do a YT video about
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:46 AM
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Relationship with a woman is not necessary for survival or happiness. That framing is actually why they struggle with women. It's the irony of TRP. The more you focus on TRP, the more your frame becomes about changing yourself to become an object of woman's desire. But most dont think that deeply about it and end up running in circles dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:40 AM
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Is that a problem? Sex is not a necessity. There are people literally getting bombed to death in Gaza. People starving and living in squalor in developing countries. Homelessness at all time high. But sex is somehow top priority issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:38 AM
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And TRP has the numbers of men necessary to become a threat, but thats too hard for them because...reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:36 AM
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I'm looking at the logical conclusion of the worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:35 AM
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Yes. I thought TRP was about waking up to the truth and grabbing power for yourself. Actually that's what the content creators do. The followers are the ones who seem to think they can't enact change. These content creators have the power to influence MILLIONS, but they can't get political?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:35 AM
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Fair enough take. I guess I'm talking about the average TRP person who just takes in info like a zealot
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:33 AM
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Élections and political action are very effective. The name of the game is votes. Lobbying and campaign contribution is all about finding ways to social engineer votes for your candidate while ensuring you have a seat at the table when legislation is being passed. Corporation of a few 1000 people are able to do it, why not TRP? Unless they aren't as powerful or smart as they would have you think
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:32 AM
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DeFacto the ideology is very prescriptive and most of the "awakened" or "unplugged" end up going the player/passport player route...or try to until they realize that's also a scam and end up black pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:28 AM
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All those dictators and warlords really weren't able to accomplish anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:29 PM
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And you now see how we arrive at the "-maxxing" thought loops y'all make fun of black pillers about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:17 PM
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My family is not from the west and my culture would basically mock any passport bro coming to our country because they failed their harem in the west. The developing world is full of actual Alphas who would out-alpha any Western man who has never done any hard labor or faced any real issues. In the grand scheme of things Passport bros are literally "beta bucks" in the developing world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:13 PM
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They logically should become Ted (Kaczynski) pilled lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:08 PM
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You're right it will be with a woman from the east who is good at faking it to get a green card. This is the same Disney fantasy that they accuse Blue Pillers of. Then they end up like some of the horror stories of these passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:06 PM
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In other words they've conceded to the "moral decay" of the more powerful force.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:03 PM
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Seems like dictators are very capable of controlling their populace. If TRPs really don't like society, instead of exit they should live up to their masculine power and rise up like a true "Alpha"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:01 PM
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These "alphas" are happy with the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:51 PM
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Yeah it's very interesting watching this all happen. First the PUAs, scammers and grifters used them. Now Christian nationalists are trying to recruit them to their cause. I will say the Christians do have a point in so far as they point out the contradictory nature of TRPs world view
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:49 PM
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It's not a save the world movement I get that but TRPs are generally not happy with the world but instead of changing it they just concede defeat and "enjoy the decline" which is basically a defeatist position.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:46 PM
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If you try hard enough you can accomplish anything. A real strong man is capable of anything isn't that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:40 PM
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Lol huh you know I'm that's not true. Every election so far has been more or less dead even despite the left leaning bias of most media outlets. The Senate is deadlocked. Like I said, TRP is very popular compared to back in the forum days 10+ years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:00 PM
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That makes more sense why you said that. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:56 PM
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TRP isn't niche. These ideas have millions of people in agreement. It's not like 10 years ago. These people have enough man power to change the rules if they want (many complain about no fault divorce etc). But they dont
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:53 PM
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Explain RP rage then if this is all about just "accepting the truth"? I actually don't subscribe to Christianity either I'm an outsider making observations on the contradiction and trying to get some discussion on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:51 PM
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BASED! I agree with this as an ex-TRP. So many contradictions it hurts but most either aren't smart enough to realize it or are super "blue pilled" about the flaws in their ideology or are just black pilled about "western civilization" They complain about "modern women are XYZ bad thing so we need to do XYZ as a reaction" which is just another victim dynamic that many of the thought leaders shame everyone else for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:47 PM
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TRP isn't a niche movement like 10 years ago though. RP is like everywhere you look online. I mean it's gotten so popular you've got Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit reaching millions of people. They have enough people to enact change at this point, but they don't because I suspect it's all just a grift and performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:44 PM
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BASED. Where can I find this in YT/podcast form? It's basically the evolution of the "nice guy" strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:41 PM
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Why is demanding help from others bad to you? Armies are literally people working together as a unified front. In order to prevent being conquered by large forces, people have to cooperate. Unless you're more of an anarchist...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:40 PM
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I vibe with this. It is very performative esp the content creators. No true leadership. They complain that they have to adapt to get what they want, but they don't try to fight the system because ...reasons. it's so defeatist and contradictory to the masculinity grift.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:27 PM
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"collective impotence" is poetry to my ears. Someone who gets me! They don't even see that in their philosophy that it creates a victimhood dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:24 PM
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Interesting so more of a passive route?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:22 PM
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Ok fair enough you are consistent in your beliefs. Ends justify the means am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:21 PM
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I personally don't have a problem with current society as it is. I've rejected TRP because of this inherent contradiction. TRPs have their "awakening" from their blissful blue pill existence. So I don't have any plan but I'd imagine if TRPs dont like society they would be doing something en masse as there are enough of them (esp in modern day) to actually do something. I remember the days when TRP was niche so it made sense back then that people didn't do anything. That excuse doesn't work anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:19 PM
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So then there is no point to religion or shaming women who enjoy sex with multiple partners as "hoes"? Because that is the overarching ethos of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:09 PM
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I think believing you have no power to shape society is like ultimate defeatism and is on par with the black pill. Just follow the chain of logic and you will realize what I'm getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:07 PM
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If men are the leaders of society, then you are basically responsible for the consequences. If you enjoy "hoes" just say it. But don't make fun of women who are just following your lead. That's the contradiction I'm talking about and you can't even see it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:05 PM
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6 ft is a meme created by dating app phenomenon. It pretty much doesn't exist once you hit metric system. Tall people generally are more attractive is true but most men are tall enough that being under 6ft is usually sufficient as long as you are taller *than her and make her feel safe
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:03 PM
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I went through that phase I get it but that's why I think TRP is kinda missing. It assumes all of this can't be changed. That "it is what is" mentality is what I call defeatist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:01 PM
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Interesting response. I expect nothing less of you in these discussions. I agree that TRP on the face is just descriptive, but defacto the community online is basically very prescriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:59 PM
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That's the claim but in practice TRPs are not happy with the situation as is. They would like to change the system, but they've just given up because ...reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:43 PM
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So basically you've "given up" on avenues for change?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:41 PM
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But many TRP make complaints about modern women. Most if not all are coming from trauma (hence the term "red pill awakening" or "unplugging from the matrix"). So I argue that TRP doesn't like the system, but accepts it which is basically a form of giving up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:40 PM
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So you don't see a problem with "modern women"? Personally I don't see a problem but I know TRP generally say "women's nature is XYZ so we must never commit to a woman unless XYZ reason"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:36 PM
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To me it's not THAT different. The disappointment I've had after the initial lust phase and then I sleep with her only to realize "damn she's not as fun/hot as I thought before". IMO I don't think average guys are missing on much nor does it help them to obsess about it too much. I think if guys knew how much of a let down it can be after they wouldn't obsess as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:09 AM
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There is more to life than women! Trust me. Women are cool but honestly once you have been with women, you'll realize most of them don't enjoy the same stuff you do. If you're a gamer or anime fan or sports fan, you'll realize most women don't enjoy those hobbies and will try to change you. Focus on other stuff. If it's about sex, trust me, you will get bored of ANY woman no matter how beautiful she is. You don't need their validation. And the funniest (maybe cruelest) irony is that once you emb…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:58 AM
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You're trolling or just ignorant. You think these systems are just speaking robotically. Yeah you really are underestimating this tech. You can mimic personality, voice, video. You can't be serious
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:28 AM
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And you're a football fan. Dude hit the jackpot!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:35 AM
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TRP is kinda weird when they say that about older women. Plenty of older women I view as sexy. But it doesn't disprove the whole "she will settle for you as a provider" in her 30s. These ladies are looking for a partner not someone she actually sexually desires. Which is why they say "avoid older women" as they don't truly want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:33 AM
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I think a lot of people will then point to how Bezos new wife acted in front of Leo DeCaprio and how Russel is more or less an oofy doofy to Ciara. Basically a rich nice guy "beta bux deluxe" in some circles. That doesn't disprove TRP persay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:51 AM
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Wow ballsy cold approaching future husband. Did you ever imagine that would be your hubby when you first approached? What about the hubby made you think "I want to approach him"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:37 AM
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ChatGPT is a very general system built on top of GPT4. It's only designed for chat. Have you ever built anything with the APIs? You're literally not ready but I don't blame you too much if this isn't your field. I've had these systems build programs autonomously with a single sentence. There are uncensored models that have no problem telling you whatever you desire. It's not perfect but the tech built on top of these models is very very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:35 AM
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Let it burn indeed. Bring on the AI #accelerate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 05:04 AM
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"Quality Women" what does that even mean? The women here are the most prosperous. Women from the third world (as you're implying) are just more desperate and willing to be subservient. As soon as they get a taste of liberalism and consumerism and technology they will also absorb this world view. You could go the Uncle Ted route though...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:37 AM
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I like this. Did you find Louise Perry before or after you had kids? How did you find your hubby and do you feel any regrets or respect the flaws of your husband (be honest)? Because I think the current ethos is that men and women don't need each other and if the other doesn't perfectly fit in your life, then you're settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:33 AM
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AI is already very close. These AI can build their own programs (see Open Interpreter or Auto Gen). Conversational manipulation is trivial. Again we've done more with less powerful AI. Imagine ab AI with all your data, knowledge of your fears, your desires, your secrets, your subconscious browsing habits. They are being built as we speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:30 AM
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Not all but they represent the majority opinion. The ones who vote for the left and carry this message to the masses. Everyone around me who is a professional thinks like this. Maybe not as deeply but they all parrot and act like this. All unmarried and childless. This isn't just a Reddit PPD phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:26 AM
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Mouth breathers invent guns, bombs, the internet, Reddit. Respect your mouth breathing overlords.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:23 AM
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AI will replace the utility of human brains, hence you need less of them. And if AI is better at solving problems than 85% of humans now, then just imagine im 20 years. You really wouldn't need as many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:05 PM
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The answer isn't to guilt trip them either. Making a woman settle for a situation she's gonna resent you for is also a disaster. Nothing we can do bud. The ladies have made their choice and it's their right to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:03 PM
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Till the heat death of the universe hopefully 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:01 PM
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Yeah most of this is political failure, but I blame democracy, people vote on issues and for politicians they don't know anything about. The system has perverse incentives. The people have all the power to change things, but they vote every 4 years against their interests without fail. How Bernie lost to Biden will always shock me. The most liberal states have the highest amount of NIMBYism and homelessness despite high taxation. It's all kinda F'd in that sense. That's why I'm hoping AI can rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:00 PM
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So subconsciously it's like a nihilist resignation that this world is not worth continuing. Like a silent protest. I'm wondering how the "elites" look at it because they all have these numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:49 PM
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AI and robotics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:09 AM
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Carl Sagan's "Blue Dot" rings so true. I agree with this. In the grand scheme of things humanity is but a blip. I think AI is the next evolution anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:08 AM
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Yeah welcome for everyone to discuss. I put that because I know how men feel on the issue (particularly TRP's) Actually do you think this is all nature's programming playing out then? Maybe it's all been pre-determined like contact inhibition we seen in cellular biology
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:05 AM
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Not in the past, in the future. Trad-con in the sense of "get married and have children younger". I think many of the progressive bent lean anti-natalist where as the trad cons actually reproduce themselves and ensure their kids grow up with those values. I agree with that statement about the human subconscious in urban cities though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:03 AM
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BASED
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:49 AM
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AI has been manipulating us since 2014. Edward Bernays wrote the formula on marketing and psychological manipulation. Intimacy can be faked. I mean if you can teach a psychologist how to do it, you can train an AI to do it even better. It can AB test and optimize it's prompts. Y'all really ain't ready for what's coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:47 AM
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Against females: I will say that the idea we need to all max out to get a mate is a bit silly standard that our ancestors didn't have to live up to. It feels anti-humanist and antinatalist to ask everyone to max out to just to get a date. Be more forgiving of a socially awkward approach here and there. We're all a human family trying to figure it out. This expectation is just gonna make the polite guys (notice I didn't say "nice") not approach you. If you expect men to do the approach, then you …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:47 AM
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I think you're 100% BASED. People generally will not admit their faults and virtue signal (hell I'm doing it right now with this "honesty"...oh and I did it again...and again 🤔). Humans are "flawed" (what does that even mean) creatures. Just keep moving forward. Life isn't fair. I like to now chant "Fight, Fight" to motivate myself from getting too down about it. We're all but a blip in the grand scheme of things so max out what you got and don't sweat the opinions of anyone (even this one). We …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:39 AM
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That's like telling a recovering alcoholic to work at a bar. Your animal instincts are not to be underestimated. You disrespect yourself to be around someone who doesn't want you. Millions of people out there to spend time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:10 AM
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What's that old saying "listen to their actions, not their words" People virtue signal a lot. Everyone thinks they are "good' Most people are much more devious, it's not a bad thing just is what it is. People aren't honest about how they actually behave in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:06 AM
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Starting the new year hot... interesting question I'd say like 37. Most say 40 is a good cut off point for children. So if someone is single in their late 30s I'd say it's probably never gonna happen. Takes a few years to date, marry and then have kids. The mental pressure will almost guarantee it won't happen Now technology will most likely extend fertility window in future (ie via artificial gametes). But for now let's say 37
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 12:44 AM
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I might agree with that. I'd say some of the lack of masculinity may be more of a result of the technocapital system than anything else. I think a lot of western culture has taught men to be passive (school system, non-violence, MeToo) a lot of this at the behest of equality and making society safe for women. So it is kinda hypocritical for these women to then proclaim these men are not "good" because the society has indoctrinated a generation of men to more or less subdue themselves in the serv…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 12:11 PM
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Sure but how else do you mitigate the utility problem? If automation makes it such that you don't need human mental abilities, what exactly is the need for them to multiply?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 12:03 PM
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Eh just because it was written as a dystopia doesn't mean anything. The trajectory is that way. Or you could go the way of uncle Ted K. and do away with technology. It's all kind of inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:34 AM
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2 words: Automation/Artificial Intelligence If you can replace the utility of human bodies and minds with silicon that doesn't require sleep/food and obeys Moore's law religiously (until we hit quantum limits), you can have any type of demographic you want. We will have fully serviceable androids in the next 50-100 years (not to mention the massive shift in tech dev will be like post- singularity when we hit ASI in the next few years). So this is all kinda moot. Any falling birthrate could be al…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:02 AM
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As a man not interested in competing for a woman. Men are lazy creature outside of survival task. Asking men to go out and conquer the world just to have to fend off other suitors is not the move and it does not feel good in the slightest
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:55 AM
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Eh I'm always hesitant to call anyone "trash" because in that judgement is hidden some superiority complex that I also would say is almost as trashy as an opportunistic/entrepreneurial OF girl. If all you see in these women is "trash" then I wonder if you have anything to stand on or have never made mistakes etc. They are as human as you are and put in their circumstances you may have made the same choices. Calling them trash is dehumanizing and it's as degenerate as their career choice (as you …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:15 PM
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Truer words have never been said. A lot of women argue through emotions. I'm some what surprised many women in this subreddit aren't as afflicted with that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:10 PM
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That's honest. I appreciate that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:43 PM
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Damn sis! 🔥 I vibe with some of this. Ain't heard this perspective yet. I will say that it's not the Red Pill person that's making them, but becoming a slave to sexual liberation. Nothing wrong with casual sex persey in moderation for SOME women who understand what they are getting into and have a high degree of self-reflection and introspection, but most women honestly can't handle it and jump in, get hurt by a guy who honestly has way too many options, become bitter and stuck in that mode and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:42 PM
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These comments in last hour have all been fire. Add this one to the list. So well said. It's a symptom of narcissism we are all dealing with in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:33 PM
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Damn this comment 🔥. This is so insightful and nuanced. I got laid off before so that humbled me and made me more realistic. I think a lot of people in this generation suffer from "my shit don't stink" syndrome thanks to social media
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:23 PM
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Gold Star! Best comment so far
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:10 PM
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Fair points. I think most people have more in common than they think. I feel like our parents found a way, but maybe they were less selfish and self-focused than our current generation. I also find myself disqualifying people because they don't watch anime or something silly like that. But maybe this stems from we literally don't need each other and can use the market to replace the utility of romantic partners. I can vibe with your statement from that perspective. Seems like as we become more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:07 PM
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You don't need a communication PhD to talk. Hell what were doing right now is a good approximation and I don't know you. It's not THAT hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:59 PM
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I actually agree with this. I'm kinda confused why people insist we still need each other as we clearly don't. Automation and AI/AGI is quickly replacing the physical (and mental) utility of humans. People claim declining birth rates is bad, but honestly AI in next 100 years will make humans all but not necessary. Plus tech will solve and liberate women from the burden of child birth
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:57 PM
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Uh that's kinda rude to ask. Would you speak like that to someone IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:13 PM
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No way you believe that. Where is that coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:32 PM
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Were these guys married? I find this hard to believe from my perspective but I can accept that it's your experience. Sorry to hear that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:28 PM
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What makes most men "not viable"? I'm curious to hear your take on this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:26 PM
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Women generally describe the morally good stuff when they describe a "good" partner. This idea that there is a lack of men worthy kinda feels like a form of narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:23 PM
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And you being the arbiter of what constitutes boring? Lol make that make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:21 PM
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Human beings fall for temptation. People fall for vices all the time. Integrity is a rare trait, most people have a public face and dark inner side that eventually surfaces. I can admit I have vices I fall for all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:19 PM
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Most people don't even discuss sex or porn. So yeah if they did that would be a BIG step forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:16 PM
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I won't hold my breath waiting for when it becomes the norm for women to respect stay at home dads
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:15 PM
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That's what AGI/ASI androids are for. The economic utility of humans is quickly becoming unnecessary. Declining birth rates is not a problem, you either just bump up immigration or increase automation. Declining birth rates are not a problem. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:13 PM
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I'll push back. Most people need 2 to make due. It's hard to purely live solo as an average earner. You'd have to get roommates, which is a testament that youre not independent. Average guys can contribute financially and can act as a protector. This notion that average guys don't add anything is misandry if I ever heard it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:11 PM
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I second this. I've had way more successful leaning into traditional masculinity than when I was leaning into the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:08 PM
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I wouldn't call them a loser. We need average guys in our society I hate this narrative that they are somehow losers. What I was exploring was how common this idea is that normal guys are boring or not worthy of dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:43 AM
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You sound really reasonable. I'm coming around to see maybe this isn't a majority opinion, though I think some who have responded are only really just saying one thing and doing another but who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:40 AM
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Most people's parents aren't that abusive. I'll grant you that case. Most people grow up in semi-stable two parent homes. 750 for rent in Seattle is like a distant memory and you know that. People leaving the house to go live in a apartment just to work in an industry you can find in your hometown never made sense to me except in rare situations like you described. The only people I know who were able to save up for a home when they got married were people who lived at home for like 10 years. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:57 AM
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You're gonna have to be more specific. Has this happened to you? I've been asked out 3 x in my life by women and I always said yes. It's awesome and it's so rare that it never hurts and unless you are like extremely overweight I don't think I'd say no because what's the worse that could happen? Guys would love to be asked out. The only way I could see a guy rejecting if he has a GF or is just so awkward and not used to it that he thinks it's a prank or something
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:51 AM
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Because the men settle and as men here say, they don’t have any other choice. Nothing wrong with settling. All this holding out for Mr. Perfect is part of this problem for this type of woman. If he isn't willing to settle and get married move on. You literally insinuated that I am mentally ill and have demons. When did I say that? Many women argue emotionally that doesn't mean you're mentally ill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:47 AM
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So that awkward Gail Lewis type girl who asks him out when he’s 30 makes him angry. He is angry that she didn’t want him when they were in high school or college or that he isn’t getting hot young women This is not a real phenomenon. It's of the terminally online crowd who don't actually leave their rooms. I work with these "nerds" and they date. Sure they struggle but they ain't out here on some revenge tour. And nerds aren't as socially awkward as you might assume. These guys go to parties and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:44 AM
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Not true. I think it might be the type y'all ask out. No man gets the ick from being asked out. It's actually like the biggest flex to have a girl hit on you. Who doesn't want that? It's super rare. I'd be questioning the woman's choices if you're only asking out the hot guy, then maybe you get rejected. I think you know that Reasonable means he stays at home and raises kids because she is a high learner and his career wasn't as lucrative. And she doesn't hold it against him either is the most i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:32 AM
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Living at home is not bad. This is a very US mentality. Saving up and working together as a family unit to pool resources is actually wiser than the 18 year old who just leaves the house so they can give that money to a landlord. In most cultures you don't move out until you get married. This idea of people moving out and just making some landlord more money is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:26 AM
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I didn't say any of what you're implying. I'm actually describing an archetype of a woman who is rushing at 29 to desperately settle. There are plenty of women in their late 30's who would make fantastic wives (if they don't harbor resentment from their dating history etc). I don't believe the wall is a thing up till about 40 ish because I not opposed to using technology to increase fertility window. The type of woman who just tries to go find that one guy she rejected in high school later in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:23 AM
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Most people are in relationships bro. Sure marriage is down but come on be objective about this. The stats and your personal experience with family and friends proves this out. Men and women use each other that's true. Life isn't sunshine and rainbows. Why would we date each other otherwise? We need each other and most will settle in order to build a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:17 AM
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It's 2024. Women now work and are independent. You can ask a guy out. Vet a guy who is average and seems like a good partner you can trust. This notion that most men are undatable again is a self-report and a sign of a degree of impatience. I've talked with women on this who are married to average guys (hell some got a stay at home dad arrangements). The one thing I've seen in these women is they are not judgemental and were reasonable. They warn me about women who say "there are no good men". I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:09 AM
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Nice guy behavior can be managed with communication. Your sister probably could have just told him what he was doing wrong and not to pedastalize her. That guy doesn't even sound like the norm. Come on are you like that? Are your neighbors like that? Most people aren't smoking weed or take 7 years to graduate undergrad. Living at home is a product of the current climate. I know people who were making very good money, lived at home until they saved up for a home. That shouldn't be a deal breaker.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:03 AM
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Men constantly tell us that there is a myriad of amazing and wonderful men lining up to date us in our youth only for them to turn their backs to us the moment we turn 25 or 30 or 35. But the reality is: There are. Most people are decent if you give them a chance, but if you're still holding on to past trauma you will see only demons. Just because a guy is a bit awkward or not as skillful in dating doesn't mean these are bad men. If anything that lack of compassion and understanding for these fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:54 AM
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A) These men seeking revenge after a glow up are a minority. Most people aren't in these spaces or think that deeply about this stuff. They go to work, take care of their families etc. This revenge fantasy is of the terminally online types. I would know this because I was like this a few years ago. It's all mostly fantasy. Your average F-boi isn't thinking revenge he's just exercising options because he has power in the dating market place. B.) This is like the black pill talking point. It's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:51 AM
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NEET is not rampant. It's a minority of the population stop. It's a growing problem but it's not anywhere near a majority or sizable minority. Most people date and get into relationships. Most people are "normies", not incels/NEETs and even you know that if you think about it logically. I live in these NEET-adjacent communities (anime, gaming etc) and they are not the majority of people. Your sister might just have high standards. Could your sister date someone like you? Are you a rare breed in …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:41 AM
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Yeah these spaces are kinda toxic echo chambers for both sides of the divide
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:33 AM
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True AGI/ASI is right around the corner. Most of humanity will become redundant anyways. I actually agree with your take on this. Men and women don't need each other besides their capitalist output. And very soon most of that will be outsourced to AI. Hence women and men don't need to reproduce anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:31 AM
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Nailed it. And that story of the 29 year old chasing a guy around is kinda emblematic of these types of women I've found. It's like why didn't you take this seriously when you were younger and why aren't you picking better partners or are more agreeable when dating? I've found that women who can't get on a man's program and are constantly being dumped either are bad at picking, dont consult their families, and/or are just not good in relationships (like you just said).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:29 AM
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This is the hyper individualist woman who doesn't aspire for family or anything outside of herself. Most PEOPLE don't have careers, they have jobs, and jobs they hate that are simply a means to an end to get to the weekend or save for vacations. This notion that a woman is happier not having a child but slaving away at a 9-5 is laughable. Left or Right, both sides of the political aisle generally agree on that point for different reasons. Most people are not like these super-independent women. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:24 AM
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Ok for you not your cup of tea. Seems like you found a good man who will commit to you. Sounds like you hit the jackpot
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:18 AM
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Sure I totally concede that as a flaw but the idea that a "pushover" is disqualified from dating is kinda insane as well.and pushes people towards TRP thought loops
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:16 AM
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No worries that was a fine response
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:11 AM
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Yup!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:10 AM
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You'd be surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:09 AM
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People aren't perfect but those are hardly deal breakers that can't be managed by communication. Do any of these flaws apply to you or your family and friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:08 AM
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Hmm I'll challenge that idea. Is it low standards to be able to pay for anything, have children well fed and cared for, being able to go anywhere at anytime? Freedom to pursue your passions rather than slaving a 9-5? How is that low self esteem or standards? This seem like a lot of benefits with the minor cost that the man gets a bit of sexual variety every once in a while. And I mean if we think about it, you're gonna share your man with his work, his hobbies, his friends and family etc. Youre …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:21 AM
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So basically it's just informed by your personal choices more than reality? Can you concede there are many men out there who are decent and would be good for you but maybe you don't want them for XYZ reason? I've heard from women that the "no good men" narrative is just from bitter women. What say you to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:15 AM
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STDs aside assume medical miracle has been performed and they are a problem of the past (I mean we have male birth control in FDA trial as we speak so anything is possible) is that the only problem? Because seems like some women do enjoy a man of experience and mystery and who has lots of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:12 AM
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Most men are lazy creatures by nature and won't leave their wife. If they have a good woman at home they'll stick with it. They go to work, then go home and play videogames/watch sports/work in the garage etc. The types of guys who will cheat are the super outgoing, charismatic charmers who are always out and about. Hence my post. Women (some women not sure anymore) seem to want both in one guy and most men lean towards the lazier, less outgoing side of the divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:09 AM
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Why not? Get to know people and be honest. This game playing BS is part of the problem and the slippery slope to the toxic mind games like "dont double text", "wait at least a few days before texting after the date" "play hard to get etc".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:04 AM
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How true is that? A majority of men actually fall into the "nice guy" overly unassertive archetype nowadays. Or is it just the guys women in this situation CHOOSE to date. I was on the other side and thought maybe there was some merit but the more I think about people I meet IRL, most average men and women get married. Most are fairly reasonable people. This notion there is an epidemic of narcissists running around has to be false. Most people are decent. I'll repeat: I used to think women were …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:02 AM
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Is that actually true or a convenient virtue signal to say that you are "unlike the majority of not-good people"? Most people I know are fairly good (maybe a bit boring and predictable). What is you argument that there are no "good" people in the dating scene?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:57 AM
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Fair point. I will say it is frustrating to hear the contradictory messages from these types of women. They had me sympathizing with them for a sec there
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:53 AM
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I meant the loud minority of women who say that shit. Made me think it was more common than reality
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:29 AM
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Well said. I have a better idea on how to look at women who say this about men. I always had this instinct that "average guys are awesome" but then you hear the requirements and complaints about men from some very loud women online (and the perpetually single ones IRL). Next time a woman says that I'm gonna look at her sideways and think "yeah you're probably the problem if you can't find someone to date".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:27 AM
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Not all women but damn they are loud as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:23 AM
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I feel like a lot of women say that but end up choosing guys like that anyways and then ask "where are all the good men?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:06 AM
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I was actually agreeing with you but trying to clarify your stancew
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:03 AM
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Imagine marrying a woman who only wants you because she needs to reproduce with someone. Ain't no love in that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:38 AM
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Interesting reply that is a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:26 AM
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Follow up question: how would you keep a man that other woman want from dating those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:24 AM
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So basically when I see someone say that I can assume femcel?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:23 AM
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So a man that is always there for you? By your side at all times and will never cheat because he doesn't have that many options?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:08 AM
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So this isn't a real phenomenon in your estimation, just crazy cat ladies screaming into the void 🤣?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:03 AM
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Ok I'll take you at your word. Clear this up for me...why do women say "there are no good men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:58 AM
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Ok so then why do women say "where did all the good men go" if they are so common?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:32 AM
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Not true. Women in their 30s are sexy too. Y'all wilding if you think 25 is the actual cutting off point. That's actually kinda insane to say
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:12 AM
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This isn't about survival though...think of your favorite athlete, celebrity or equivalent. Someone that could make you feel like you want to do anything for them. You're telling none of that is appealing? -looks the way you want -is funny and charming -wealthy so you could go on vacation anywhere you want -is adventurous But from time to time dates other women? A guy like that wouldn't be as awkward as a normal guy...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:10 AM
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Hey I respect the honesty. Most women are afraid to admit that last part. I always wonder why women "settle" at all, just to be resentful later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:02 AM
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Some might say that kind of emotional rollercoaster excitement is better than a boring average guy. Remember this guy is perfect in every other way. This means: -you dont have bills -hes sexy and smooth -hes not clingy -hes a great listener -etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:00 AM
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But wouldn't a guy like that be more fun to chase? He wouldn't be clingy, he'd know exactly what to say to you. He'd be smooth and charming. He'd know how make like be to you better than an average guy. He wouldn't be BORING. He just might be taking other women on dates from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:58 AM
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I wouldn't share because I could just find a nother woman to replace her that I would be happy with. Hey...women are the ones saying "where are all the good men?", hence why I asked the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:38 AM
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I guess my question is how happy is that "dating". I just see women saying "where are all the good men" which I think is confusing because then I hear people like you say "normal is fine" it's like which is it🤔?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:37 AM
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BASED haha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:34 AM
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But can you enjoy that guy without regrets or resentment? Or dead bedroom that we see when many women "settle"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:31 AM
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I guess for a man the requirements are basically be nice and respectful and stay in some sort of shape (men generally are less picky on physical features) so he doesn't have a small pool of people who fit their criteria. Where as man the lists I've heard from women... holy moly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:20 AM
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Fair point. I wasn't really thinking about people who are reasonable in what they settle for. But man the way some women talk on here makes me think every average dude is a boring loser not worth their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:16 AM
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So deception? It does sound a bit like we're teaching people to keep their cards close to the chest (all the RP)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:41 AM
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Careful what you ask for. This is literally RP talking points. Like almost verbatim. This is how we get the game playing/pretend to be aloof mindset bred into guys
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:39 AM
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Life is a waste of time. Nothing really matters just pursue what you want and achieve whatever makes you happy. Some people collect stamps etc. If you treat it like any other hobby it's fine. Sex addiction is a real thing so as long as you're aren't that obsessed it's not a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:25 AM
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Though I will say the minority of guys who make it to that level of success will generally exploit their options, esp in our sex addicted nihilistic society, because why not. I've seen a lot of the unmarried doctor/lawyer types just go balls to the wall and just take advantage of their options all day long until a woman decides she wants to REALLY win him over. It's a bit jarring for the female doctors/lawyers (insert prestigious career) who end up not being able to compete to that extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:22 AM
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Still not disappointed. It's her loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:15 AM
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Who wouldn't want someone to like them? Most guys don't have the kind of abundance you might assume. Women confessing their liking of you us fairly rare. There is a reason men have to approach or initiate dating. It feels good for the ego. Believe it or not people enjoy that and that type of dynamic benefits the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:03 AM
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I don't think it's that deep. The amount of guys who actually glow up and are bitter or have that mindset are so small. Most people don't glow up. It's mostly a fantasy for people. The guys who are fuccbois dont think that deeply about it. It's just a way to get what you want. Immoral but effective
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:00 AM
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Still why would I feel disappointed? As a guy it sounds awesome to have a friend who is attracted to me. That's the best option as a man. Esp if she is interested in sharing you with other women and understands it sounds great. Many women I've dated generally aren't interested in much of the same stuff. I'd prefer to date my female friends if I could but we're only friends for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:33 AM
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Why would you? If you're both friends and see the other as attractive (and most men see women as somewhat attractive) why wouldn't you want to date your female friend? It just makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:01 AM
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Sure but I've seen a lot of women who will say they've been played by gusmys who more or less we're pretty honest. I'm not even sure I agree the lying part is malicious more than it's a more effective way to get what you want. Power "corrupts" absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:59 AM
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Is it resentment? Or a man just taking advantage of this new found "power"? If love is transactional and she/he was only with you because of your transformation, why would you even trust this person to care for you when you get sick or aren't looking as good? Esp as man I've noticed I get the best treatment when I have multiple options and exercising them. It's kind of interesting to watch. I wouldn't say these men are just upset, I think it makes them cynical. And if you think about it rational…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:56 AM
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When you say "take it out on them" what do you mean? If you mean dating multiple women and never committing? Is that what you imagine this "revenge" looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:49 AM
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I mean there is more to life than women. Success for it's own sake is fun. It's like an adventure and it maximizes your survival from a utilitarian perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:47 AM
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Not bitter. You have the power so do what you want with it. Maybe teach your progeny the truth earlier in life so they don't have to waste time that millennials did with fantasies. There is no wrong or right. We live on a tiny blue dot, it's all mainly meaningless. So do whatever you want
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:45 AM
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I think many men go route 1. but just become "bad" (for lack of a better label, in the grand scheme of things being a fuc boi is pretty low) because it's more effective in getting women to submit and previous exp shows them that "martial love" is an invention of the last century that doesn't jive with our instincts or our ancestral past. We only have monogamy out of a sense of social cohésion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:41 AM
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I think the OP is getting at why men are cynical about love because they realize they had to "earn" that love. Which kind of kills the illusion. It makes it feel transactional and not genuine. Hence why these guys start to feel like "I'm just gonna maximize my pleasure and do what I want" because sadly that how women respond. Women rationally dont like it, but they are drawn to it. And when the hubby they settle for isn't providing that animalistic urge, they get resentful as well. TLDR being hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:37 AM
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You can't be seriously thinking that this is some kind of flex. We all have a dark side. Pretending to be more virtuous than the masses is a form of elitism in and of itself. Ie. You're no different than anyone else.I think even you realize that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:33 AM
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The way women treat "men they settled for" and the way guys treat "women they settled for" is a bit different in that women's sexuality is based a lot on dominance. The position of a woman "looking up" to their man is a bit more stable than the "woman looking down" on their guy purely because of this sexuality imbalance. A woman can not rationalize her sexuality. Hence why a lot of these relationships end up in dead bedroom, nagging etc. There are women who are able to try to rationalize their c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:18 AM
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You changed my mind on this. Thank you for this perspective. I think as men we always forget that we can just kick them out of our life if they can't handle our emotions. It's a bit TRP-ish but I can dig it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 11:23 AM
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So just figure it out by yourself. Where is the emotional intimacy in that? I mean hell you're in the OR watching your wife give birth you literally see her insides and all types of squeamish stuff but you're still supposed to feel attracted to her, but you can't cry or show your thoughts or how you feel because that is "weakness"? Like how does that make any sense. Why would you even want to live next to someone you can't be close to? I feel like my brothers, parents and some of my friends are …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 11:19 AM
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It is genuine. They are dealing with wounds from childhood (like everything). It's sad and pathetic but it is who they are deep down.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:07 AM
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The reason we end up there is that we have poor self esteem and we have been shamed out of beeing assertive and vocal about our wants (many times from women). From our parents usually. We learn to be nice guys from overbearing parents that insist on protecting their fragile egos. It's stuff we need to unlearn
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:04 AM
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I think a bit of generalization is helpful when dealing with men or women. There are something for a safety perspective that we don't want to assume "she's just like a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:32 PM
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You're correct in your argument, but I'm not sure people say women aren't shallow. Human beings are shallow creatures by default. Even in their generosity it's for some sort of reward (ego, social credit points etc). I think women are a bit more forgiving of men not being confident, because women in that moment are also super self-conscious and just trying to mask it as well. This isn't a gendered issue as much as it's a human issue
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:29 PM
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You're not. You're on a journey. Whee you are now is not where you have to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:25 PM
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I'd say their words are only one form of communication but it's not actually how they really feel. I've talked with some of these guys candidly (offline) and many of them aren't really misogynistic at all, just really lonely and found community with the RP space. For me it just feels wrong to do so knowing what I know about these guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:18 AM
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You're a human being first before your gender. That's all I can say. These people are depressed. Hating them isn't the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:01 AM
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I guess for myself I try to avoid that line of thinking otherwise I'd reduce human emotions and compassion to just neural spikes in a cold dark universe and just try to maximize my own pleasure because, none of it matters anyways even my feelings and guilt are just neural spikes, so let me just maximize my own pleasure. Especially as I see and witness AI development first hand my utilitarian instincts creep in and that takes me to dark places I prefer not to go (ie. EFIL movement, Landian Accele…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:00 AM
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I'm not asking anyone to agree with their views. Only to understand how people get there and be a bit more forgiving and open to accept these lost individuals. Because this problem is only getting bigger the more we talk badly about these people. They already internally feel like losers and hopeless. It doesn't help that we continue to kick them when they are down, especially if we are all trying to be on the righteous path (or at least that's how the opposite side likes to frame their worldview…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:48 AM
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If you think you think the world is that black and white I don't know what to say. All people are redeemable and no one is without flaws or fault. Everyone thinks their side is "the good guys" without recognizing how they also participate in cruelty and systems that enable cruelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:44 AM
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NO ONE deserves to be bullied. That world view you just espoused is part of the cycle of hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:39 PM
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Interesting how do you manage not becoming a narcissist or sociopath with that mentality? Why not just take what you want if you can get it, people's feelings be damned?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:37 PM
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This. Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:35 PM
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They are suffering. All of that reflects how they feel about themselves. We can have compassion and show them that people are not that cold. Instead lashing back at them only further makes the problem worse because TRP leaders aren't calling them that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:34 PM
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You can critique the ideology without reinforcing alienation. I think it all falls apart and has hypocrisy the deeper you dive in and look at the public proponents. The guys who fall for this are very isolated, or depressed or both. It feels like hypocrisy to say we are compassionate and have moral high ground when we start to punch down at people who are internally suffering. At some point someone gotta break the cycle
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:31 PM
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Haha BASED
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:27 PM
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Many of them are dealing with severe loneliness and this "us vs them" only further pushes them away, making the problem worse. You have every right to dislike their views, but we need more coming together, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:26 PM
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Yes but two wrongs dont make a right. We can engage the ideas without making the problem worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:24 PM
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That mentality seems to breed "us vs them" and make their nihilistic world view seem more true. These people are already alienated. Why further push them away? These problems exist because of loneliness. How is further pushing them away the solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:22 PM
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I guess the lack of sympathy reinforces the cycle of alienation. At some point we need to break the cycle. They are suffering as well and treating them like monsters or bad people creates a natural "us" vs "them", which only further proves their nihilistic world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:19 PM
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Wow this is well stated. Narcissism is a pandemic in western society. This isn't a problem in less atomized societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:13 AM
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I'd say women with BFs. Depending on the age of the single man, there might be a reason they are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:08 AM
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Does any of this matter? So what if there is only a small minority of "eligible" men? We will be replaced by AGI in the next 10 years anyways. If the end result of men not measuring up is declining birth rates, AI and robotics will make up the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:00 AM
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See that response feel pretty alienating. What I was getting at was that it's understandable why people struggle with this and for us to have a bit more compassion and understanding. Not just "it's on you to figure it out bro". That response to me feels pretty anti-social.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:32 AM
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But isn't the point for these guys to just get out and talk to people without any goal in mind? Baby steps. And who says only men are socially awkward? I've met my fair share of women who are pretty bad at social cues. It's more rare but you get my point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:27 AM
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Seems like the difference here is semantics. We largely agree that a variety of factors are leading to the continuous process of self-destructive habits that even awareness of said habits is not enough to deter. Hence why he's arguing that way. I would say social factors are part of the environment as the planet is an ecosystem and humans are but a node in that system. It's fairly deterministic because there is little one can do to change culture on the individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:26 AM
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I think people retreat after bad experiences. I mean who wants to hang out with someone who is awkward? I've been there and even felt like "yeah I wish this awkward person would go away". This situation is unusual as in past as we would have strong family bonds and have neighbors that we'd grow up with. Having to make new friends every year is very unnatural, so its understandable why this problem exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:40 AM
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I can see why some men avoid those social situations. Some people have issues where people begin talking behind their back like "that guy was socially awkward" and it feels hostile to enter situations where people will just reject you because of your awkwardness. I totally get that reason. No one wants to go out and be judged, but it's totally human It's almost like maybe we need a socially awkward meetup group for guys to go out and meet people like themselves 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:36 AM
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I mean he has a point most people know what the problem is. There is no shortage of podcasts, articles, blogs, hell Chat got that can help someone who REALLY wants to change. They don't change because of a combo of environment and genetics which is keeping them from changing. The tone is deterministic but it's a fairly sound argument borne out by evidence that most people don't change even when given new facts or advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:29 AM
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Fat girls can be attractive. This whole "fat girls are ugly" is a reflexive of the trend of guys who are on dating apps who are tired of the rejection. Don't fret it too much. I've seen plenty of "fat" girls I thought were attractive and seemed nice enough personality wise to date. Now from a health standpoint there is a limit of course. If your doctor says you need to lose weight for your long term health I'd say that's your sign you're probably too fat to date, Other than that reason, you shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:51 AM
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The assumption follows TRP logic that follows: 1.) Men's greatest fear is paternity fraud 2.) Women's greatest fear is physical safety I might be able to fix OPs comparison such that instead of physical safety it's "provision guarantee". Said another way, she can look at male bank account anytime, and check his phone, email etc and always spy on him to ensure he isn't giving other women his attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:46 AM
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It's inherently contradictory, that why I left that philosophy. They encourage sleeping around, but shame women who do. They decry "degeneracy" but participate in it actively.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:40 AM
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I'll push back a bit. These AI were trained in the way human being learn and acquire information. The processes are similar to how neurons create connections in the brain. What's to say human beings are also just algorithms designed by "nature" 🤷‍♂️? Food for thought
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:36 AM
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Nah I think it will be equal/skew more towards female usage. Women enjoy erotic novels and dating simulators more than men. Men (generally) enjoy the visual stimulation. The companionship provided by AI won't be enough without the physical. Women are just lonely as the men, and in lieu of a husband they will opt for these tools as well. An example of this is the Host Club phenomenon in Japan. Women pay men simply for their company. The male equivalent is at home locked in their room as a NEET, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:30 AM
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The SM piece is a good one. I've met people on SM or Discord. It's a great way to make friends. The dating part is the tricky bit. Nobody wants to be that person going to a dance class or a yoga class just to meet single women. Between gym, work, conferences, adult sports team, and concerts and conventions, it's difficult to meet people for dating. Friends and acquaintances easy and helpful for those who are lonely so it's not a bad solution at all and I highly recommend lonely people at least t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:13 AM
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I've been to some concerts. It seems like people generally go in groups so it's tough to find other single people. I've made friends/acquaintances from going to concerts and conventions so that's a plus. But never really any female friends as seems most women don't go to events solo like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:04 AM
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When you have sex with the same person for years, you too will realize consistent sex is not fun either. It's only when you want to have kids that you realize you need to compromise, but once you have those kids you will under a lot of pressure and stress to raise those kids. Happiness is found within
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:34 AM
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All you need is someone to FWB or go to the movies with. Relationship are work and you will be unhappy at times no matter who you choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:30 AM
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Is this true or just a feeling based on YT videos? Actually challenge yourself, perhaps it's all just entertainment? You can have family, friends etc and not need a relationship. If you have ever been in a relationship you realize you will yearn for freedom. Happiness is found within, not with other people. People require compromising your goals and desires. You can be happy single and miserable in relationships. People do need each other to survive and remain sane, but you don't need a sexual p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:28 AM
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Hmmm. Ok that's a good point. They all seem to blur after awhile, esp the online ones. I'd say maybe the trad con popularizer are kinda hypocrites then. But most small town people are closer to being more congruent. But def the RP and MGTOW guys are hedonists who don't realize their hedonism is part of the problem. You're maybe the second person on here to articulate that distinction in a way that makes sense. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:47 AM
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Why aren't they more aggressive in fighting to change the system? It seems like they are more like "let's just play the game" which only accelerates the "issue" in their worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:57 AM
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I agree. But I see MANY RP/TradCons saying: "Modern Women are the reason why dating suck" But not realizing the system that these men continue to support (esp the hustle bro types) is creating the environment for independent women (a good thing in my book, but a bad thing to these types of guys). I'm simply trying to point out that contradiction in their world view. Their passivity politically is antithetical to the masculine archetype they preach to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:56 AM
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I don't see them fighting for that world. All I see is rhetoric online but continuing to support the system. There are enough of them if they really wanted to shape the world in their image they could do so. The middle option will only be possible if men become more active politically and insist on some protections. Many keep participating in the same technocapital acceleration that will automate away any utility men or women provide each other. The current trajectory is men and women becoming i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:50 AM
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That's exactly what I mean. And it's that implicit power that allows America to keep US fiat money supreme to every other fiat dollar. I'm not arguing for a revolution, but I am saying don't be surprised in a society where men have decided that they are ok with not being able to provide women with economic security, that those women don't respect the men. Women are watching the corruption in this country go largely unchecked, and the men are kinda like checked out. It's no wonder they see men as…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:43 AM
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And your inability to see the hypocrisy of RP/Trad Cons blaming women is amjust as bogus. How is any of that "masculine"? If you are the dominant (and as some might say "superior") gender, how are you blaming your subjects ("women") for the results. Isn't that feminine behavior on your part not taking accountability for lack of leadership?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:34 AM
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Seems like those who go the entrepreneur route always get corrupted by greed or outcompeted by the sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:31 AM
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BINGO!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:29 AM
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We're heading towards a post-human future, and at the very least a trans-human future where family formation will be irrelevant (artificial wombs, synthetic gametes etc) all thanks to capitalisms efficiency in moving technological progress forward. I agree that capitalism is antithetical to traditional family values by it's very nature. Why then do so many trad cons support the current system if they hate the consequences? They complain women aren't traditional anymore when in all reality we don…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:27 AM
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Not holding your leaders accountable when they destroy the economy every year? Yeah I blame everyone for that. But since most men insist they are the natural leaders of this world, I put the blame on men. We're all complicit in this inflationary debt bubble getting ready to pop
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:19 AM
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What I mean is the belief is that men are supposed to lead women. But instead what I see is men reacting to the actions of women. All the blame game seems to me a contradiction because it puts the power in the woman's hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:17 AM
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I'm guessing you're somewhere on the anarchist spectrum politically? If that's the case I can see your perspective. Otherwise I'm unsure how you can run a state that doesn't just end up getting taken over by a more organized central power
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:07 AM
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I agree with this. Those who work hard and rise in the hierarchy will get the rewards. My gripe is with the average guys who think they can shame women into submission. They get mad women only want or treat "alphas" good. I think if you can't provide safety for a woman, don't expect her to submit. And if the system makes it such that you can't do that, either play the system, or break the system by force. This is why women love. Guys with dark triad traits. Those guys get results and can make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:05 AM
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Yeah it's that complicity that causes women to look at average men and see "yeah these men can't protect or provide for us" and look down on these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:56 AM
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But why did men concede if they are the "leaders"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:50 AM
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*if they want to create their trad con utopia. I'm happy with the state of affairs, but I see RP dudes just going at modern women and blaming them for everything they dislike. And I just like to point out that contradiction in their world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:30 PM
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I don't mind that. Again I'm happy with current system, but I laugh at how the RP tries to shame women into submitting to an average earning man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:28 PM
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Do you think modern women aren't submissive or wifey material? Do you complain about modern society and dating? I'd argue any woman can become submissive with correct frame. But many of the RP community seem to think you have to use money status etc to get her there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:24 PM
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At least Ted K lived his principles. Most of the average "on my journey to become an alpha" guys are not that serious. They are as passive and soft as their dream submissive woman. Then they cry "modern women suck" not realizing they are continuing the incentive structure that created the women they dislike, all due to the men's political passivity
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:22 PM
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Who ultimately gave into the womens' demands? This whole passivity and active blaming of the "more vulnerable gender" is so incongruent with the trad con philosophy. Idk why y'all keep doing that and not realize it. As men you gotta take responsibility for the "world that you built".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:19 PM
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I actually agree with this. But men are still to blame for allowing this consumerist cooperate culture to destroy their traditional values. Well that's the stance I'd expect them to take if they were intellectually honest, but it always goes back to "modern women are XYZ, get your passport bro" so they can go spread the same shitty western culture and habits that led to the environment they complain about in their home country.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:16 PM
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Ah I think we're getting somewhere. But there is literally more of us. That again goes to how complicit many average men are in the society. Thus it's no wonder why women feel more safe with the "elites" or "high value man". The average guy is just sitting there and allowing all this to happen. Men don't vote or get politically active. Instead they check out. I mean imagine if our forefathers "checked out" during WW2.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:12 PM
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What do you think the tax rate should be? And the UK figure isn't that what every man wants? A woman who makes less than they do? And this leads to a bigger point of why did "the men" allow it to get to this point? That's where I see the feminine passivity of most of these reactionary groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:09 PM
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I'd tend to agree but a lot of the trad cons or RP guys I talk to insist on unconditional submission and respect from a women just because they are a man and berate "modern women" for their lack of femininity. I'm trying to see why they dont make the connection between the contradiction in their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:10 AM
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Yeah this post is part of your problem. Overanalysis. I bet during the date you were in your head the whole time as well. This is low key kinda what women do. Men generally just move on to the next one. Don't give up she's just 1 of many.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:31 AM
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Nope. Jonah probably didn't state his expectations early on. This is giving credence to the argument to be congruent and honest in the beginning, instead of trying to change someone later on. But I'm glad he at least eventually had courage to speak his mind
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:27 AM
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Women do that as a shit test. If you have the right frame you can nip that in the bud (take her on a date, fuck her brains out etc). Now it might be as simple as you need to give her some attention (that's if you want to keep her around). Women aren't robots. Why are you working so much you can't spend time with your wife? Or why did you pick a wife who didn't understand your career? Either way I blame the men (esp men who want to be called "leaders").
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:24 AM
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I'd say it's psychological not really the reasons youblisted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:19 AM
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It's not. What most men think iwomen thin is attractive and what women actually think is attractive is night and day. You learn this when you go to bed with them. It's all mental with women. Women can get off on just a voice. It's about dominance. Now looks are important as for health and hygiene are concerned. But after that it's all social skills and competency and confidence. Hell height isn't even that important for survival. Actually taller guys live shorter lives (human physiology 101). Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:15 AM
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I would say to this "what long term effects?". Marriage is about duty and raising children. Sexual attraction is unnecessary after you've reproduced. That's why many people start swinging or get divorced when kids get older. I think a lot of Disney fairy tales have misled people into thinking you're supposed to be in love forever. Marriage is a practical institution. If you want passion, stick to dating. You need time apart to create desire. You can't fall in love with someone you see 24/7/365.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:07 AM
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But they passively are complicit and actively fight against social programs. I love capitalism but I accept the consequences (ie women are going to have more power in the society and thus not see most men as worthy of submitting to) it seems like trad cons are either oblivious or complicit to the effects of conservative economic doctrine. I mean if you were a woman why would you submit to a man who can't even provide a home for you (ie most men)? If she loses her job she can't even rely on most …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:01 AM
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I generally agree with your first points about the value of capitalism. But I think anyone can see in most major cities in the US you need 2 incomes if you want to own a home to raise a family so I disagree with you on that point specifically. But at the same time I'm always confused why trad cons generally dislike social programs and get upset women dont "submit" to them. I love capitalism (I'm an effective accelerationist that sees capitalism as just a way of creating AI), but in our current s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:53 AM
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Oh I totally agree. But why people still stick to monogamous relationships when you can do this with multiple people? Companionship you can get from friends and family. I'm curious why women would shackle themselves to traditional relationships when more benefits can be found with more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:39 AM
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Wow thank you for this. I actually have something like this ongoing in my life but it's more in the "non exclusive" zone where I haven't committed but I have women I hang out with weekly (2 is the right number for me, I don't know why anyone would want more). I'm getting to the point where I need to have the Talk with one of them probably. I like the freedom of non monogamy/non exclusivity. I still don't understand how ladies will go with defacto polygamy and not just date multiple guys but it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:44 PM
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No it's because people feel sexual shame. They assume they are doing something wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:55 PM
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Eh it indicates some degree of mental issues ( why are you still socially awkward at 30?). People have their own problems they don't want to deal with yours
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:54 PM
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The problem is the strategic framing. We have reusable rockets and AGI is right around the corner. This isn't THAT difficult. Set a date that you find fun Talk about stuff that interests you Ask her about herself and see if you find that interesting yourself. Decide if you want anything to do with her after steps 1-3 and escalate immediately. Repeat 1-4 with new person she doesn't vibe with you. The problem is most guys skip step 1-3 and decide they want to sleep with her right away. Sex addicti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:52 PM
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Getting to know a woman on a human level genuinely helps. 1.) New wing lady/social proof for you PUA nerds 2.) An new in to other social groups 3.) It's not a forgone conclusion that she won't like you. If you are sexually attracted to a woman, express it. The problem is friend zone guys are your typical covert narcissists who are only nice to get sex and hide their true intentions. And because most people are bad at acting, your subcommunication gives off unsafe and unsexy "vibes". Hence she do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:47 PM
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How did you achieve this? Was it basically a "take it or leave it" situation? Why don't they just date someone else who is more in line with their life philosophy? Or is dick game to strong lol? A bit younger in cheek for last question but I'm curious to know why they want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:33 PM
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Codependent narcissism. Look up. Thats the common problem with people in the west. Too much individuality and self centeredness. Women can say the same thing. Stop victimizing yourself. It's hella feminine (not that it's a bad thing but people who fall into the red pill hate appearing feminine).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:24 PM
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Why do you want to "get" anything? Relationships aren't achievmengs. Women are human beings. Would you want to hang out with you? If so find someone like yourself. If not, work on that. I'm rooting for you buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:21 PM
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We live in a world that slowly not needing people. I mean damn Chat got is a sign that human intelligence can be replicated in silicon. Post humanist philosophy would lead one to believe you don't need everyone to reproduce. And that's fine. But settling is why people eventually divorce. I'd argue many people have no business raising children. They can barely provide for said child. Latchkey kids etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:22 AM
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Interesting counterpoint. The humanist perspective is to say all human beings have potential and something to contribute so it's in all our interest to incentivize everyone to raise a child if they are physically able to. And the tax benefits can go to help pay for any help they need (nanny, tutors, babysitter, housing assistance etc) if that is the major factor making it hard sell to older singles
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:06 AM
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Destiny talks about this. Basically the left is really bad at addressing male issues. Women out earning men hasn't shifted into more egalitarian dating, it's more or less made it so that less men qualify to be worth their time. All of this makes men vulnerable to these arguments for a return to traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:25 PM
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Yep nice guys are basically just codependent narcs, that's why they lash out when their strategy doesn't work (hence RP rage). All of this is stemming from childhood trauma anyways. It's kind of sad really.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:19 PM
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I'd argue most people probably would love to say their "authentic self" is a "nice person". It just depends on your philosophy on human nature. Is politeness learned or innate? And if it is learned, is that part of your "authentic self" or is that a false self covering your human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:16 PM
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Basically Shinji Ikari in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:13 PM
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When in doubt...make art! That is the only solution to the nihilist dilemma. Move on OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:05 PM
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True but compliment without neediness as people can smell it on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:52 PM
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Godless society creates many nihilists of us all. Many are sex addicted due to porn and thus can't fathom a world in which they don't get their entitled share to the "sexual pie". I've come to peace with it as some people just haven't thought that deeply about why they feel how they feel. That whole Carl Sagan quote about earth being a pale blue dot is not appreciated enough. Hence why man men today feel lost. Freedom is a form of slavery in that sense. TLDR: a dive into philosophy could help ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:32 PM
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I agree but I'll play devil's advocate to see if I can get you to also appreciate the OP's point (which I think also has some validity). Single people in their old age who don't have children are a drag on resources and generally the taxes they pay aren't balanced by what they extract from the system. As they get older they become more rent seeking (passive income investments, BS middle management jobs etc) and less productive due to age after a certain point. By not having children who can repl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:24 PM
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This assumes we need more births. As human utility is being eaten up by technology, why exactly so we need to incentivize more births? This is a natural progression of human evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:15 PM
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Technology is replacing the utility of men. The society is productive with or without the input of men. Society is running just fine with the men on the sidelines. Read some Brave New World. It will help you come to peace with the current dating situation. That is a possible future. No tax needed to incentivize women to do something they don't naturally want to do just to satisfy the desire of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:13 PM
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Sure and 100 years ago our morals shifted. It seems like all of this is malleable. It was taboo to date online. It was taboo to be homosexual. Interracial dating was taboo, slavery was ok. I think the young will accept it and we will be those old men decrying "degeneracy" just like our parents, and their parents. And any psychological trauma from the current state of things can be numbed and alleviated by drugs and psychotherapy (which could be enhanced by AI and implantable computer chips). Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:32 AM
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very bad for society Why is less marriage and relationships "bad" for a society? Maybe all of this is just a natural progression of technological society. We can alienate and isolate AND STILL get our basic physiological needs met. For every lonely man and woman there are enough sex toys and porn to satiate and quell their sexual needs. The only compelling argument I've seen is that less marriage/children = less people to care for elderly. But I'd then just argue AI and robotics can replace thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 07:02 PM
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You made fun of these men while feigning compassion is probably what he was getting at. It's a dog eat dog world. Let them suffer, no need to try to help them. More options for us
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:51 PM
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BASED!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:56 AM
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Voluntary depopulation at the very least via reduced birth rates. Wholesale replacement in 500 years (or evolution with machines). When the machines can do everything and AI accumulates resources at the top of society, we'll see less people on earth overall. Just a hypothesis thinking about the current trajectory of income inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:02 AM
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Huh? That literally the opposite. If I knew everything I wouldn't want different perspectives lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 01:08 AM
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Late stage capitalism will ensure this comes true. Capital accumulation will just keep concentrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:24 AM
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This is all a result of late capitalism. When becoming a cog in the capitalist machine is more important than family building. We are heading to a post human future
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:22 AM
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I didn't mean you specifically, I meant the MGTOW movement in general would want the AI waifus to fulfill their sexual and relationship needs. Which I see as contradictory to their ideas of going their own way if the they are cheering for some female reaction to their isolated protest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:19 AM
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True, but many people pose questions looking for discussion. I generally post here looking to spark discussion on taboo subjects and to get different perspectives/fill in blind spots.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:09 AM
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Weird? You mean basically average
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:19 PM
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Hold on is this MGTOW movement supposed to be revenge or guilt women to date guys they don't want? If you are MGTOW then live your principles and leave the women alone. The AI is gonna replace most of human utility (and almost all of male physical utility). And capitalism will ensure there is a market for sperm banks, making most men irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:11 PM
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"vomit inducing" is hyperbole. It's not THAT bad lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:15 PM
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Lol what are you serious? You couldn't even concede that you may be wrong. SMH
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:17 PM
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To be fair, attraction and love isn't exactly rocket science. I mean we have machines capable of recording dreams, semi-sentient chat algos. The "magic" of human behavior isn't "ineffable". It's science. That's why therapists generally are able to systematically help couples and individuals deal with relationship issues etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:15 PM
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Generally this talking down to is usually from a white person to a non white person. That is just reality. Your ignorance (or stubborness) is quite surprising for a someone who is suspect is fighting for equality for all people, women included.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:08 PM
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The type of capitalist who accumulates enough power to pervert democratic institutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:06 PM
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Wrong frame though. Women aren't a prize. They are human beings. This frame will set you back if you see women as an achievement. What his problem is low self esteem and depression possibly. If he's out of shape etc not taking care of himself, that is downstream of depression or self hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:43 AM
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Maybe you aren't fit for a normal woman. I mean this with compassion, talk to a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:40 AM
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But you take written accounts of stories as more true than from the black and brown people who tell those stories? So you only believe what some white dudes in their ivory tower tell you about culture? So basically you submit to the eurocentric view of history? With no skepticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:37 AM
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This is so true. Simps mess up everything. Actually sex addicted clowns mess up everything. They swipe on everyone on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:23 AM
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Or Japan where they could LITERALLY find their waifu. But let's be honest this is just a form of depression. Your comment is basically punching down. Also it's enforcing the patriarchal norms of masculinity that feminism is trying to fight against.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:15 AM
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No I meant the alpha chads are strong masculine leaders who make it comfortable to submit to. The beta (financially and also mentally) is content with his meager existence. Barely able to take care of himself, he still obeys and puts up with the system. That is not sexy to women. The alpha get to the head of organizations by sometimes slightly bending the rules in their favor, not taking no for answer etc. Or they become the political leaders themselves. Political activists are soy-boys meme is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:54 AM
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It's only logical if your goal is maximizing your own happiness, which in that case you're probably a narcissist or it's a defense mechanism to protect from trauma in your life. Either way I'd reexamine that strategy because that's how we get a society full of "degenerates": everyone only looking out for their own selfish interests. I think many men are dealing with sex addiction. This obsession with getting laid and lack of discipline is kind of shocking but not surprising. I blame porn culture…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:42 AM
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Hmmm I'd be careful telling black and brown people that their ancestral stories are fictional though. That's leaning into that ivory tower nonsense that is low key racist
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:35 AM
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Hmm thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out. My understanding of my cultural history is a very patriarchal one where women did many small tasks in the home. I can't say much about ancient history, but from what I know there was trade, cooking, foraging etc, all of which were done while keeping an eye on the children while the men did the dangerous physical labor until the boys came of age. The idea that women worked away from children for 8+ hours a day is... questionable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 12:35 AM
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I'm happy for that! Don't get me wrong I think it's great that women have the freedom to truly find their passions. I'm just worried what this means for relationships. It feels like if people aren't supremely perfect, people just quickly move on or are content with the "buy a dog, die alone" meme. It's also the impetus for my post and why I look sideways at the Black Pill or Red Pill guys who want women to just be submissive for no reason. Maybe relationships were always too oppressive, and perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:55 AM
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I'd say that men on average have become less aggressive in fighting for systematic change. Many just either exit, become complacent, or compete with each other for the shrinking slice of the pie. Or maybe men are content with the current status quo?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:42 AM
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True I guess it's the black pillers who are LARPing as TRP/MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:37 AM
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Incorrect, also extremely centered on a specific time in mostly European history. Many African tribes prior to colonization practiced polygamy and women worked in the home as a team. I'm from a family and know many families where this was the dynamic in our family history for many generations. I don't know why you insist that I'm telling fairy tales. I guess the implications that I'm a teenager was kind of an insult IMO. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, maybe that just how you speak to people.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:36 AM
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As men we need to lead by example. This whole "women suck so I'm gonna be crappy as well" is only reinforcing the cycle. It's an emotional response that will just incentivize women to act even more emotionally. Even from an RP lens you'd have agree you can't beat women at the game of emotionality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:30 AM
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Good point. Im suggesting a cultural script that can help those who want to avoid hook up culture in a way that isn't too prudish or too relaxed. I think this will allow people to still meet people casually while ensuring we don't keep degenerating to our baser instincts. Trust between the sexes is at an all time low and I hope more people adopt this into their dating strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:27 AM
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Yeah in the US its a self-reinforcing feedback loop that goes as the following: 1.) Industry gets profitable 2.) Industry buys political favor to protect their interest 3.) Politician uses this finance to help buy propaganda to influence the masses to re-elect them 4.) Industry becomes more profitable etc. Insert the fact that most people are too busy to pay attention to politics minus trivial cultural infighting and you get where we are 50+ years after WW2 mobilization and New Deal. We had stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:23 AM
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Hmmm...hard to say. I personally think you need discipline to be able to only want and be with one woman forever. It's hard work and cheating is just easier for most men at a certain point. That's why couples counseling and/or making sure you two are getting advice from community is important. Also lots of old people end up swinging/swapping
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:05 AM
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I disagree. It's only in recent times that people have worked outside the home. Most people tended family farms or worked for a feudal lord or were slaves, either way their children were never too far away, and the men usually rebelled when conditions got bad enough. Agree to disagree in peace?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:00 AM
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I'll push back a bit, though I understand your point. I'd say many men have tried the "sharing" approach and end up getting walked over. The "nice guy turned RP rager" is basically what we see in many young men. We need to teach men to enforce boundaries and still be kind enough to be . But the prevailing message of "do onto others..." has harmed men in relationships. Women as well don't get me wrong, but many men end up here after being too "nice". We need more aggression to balance out a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:55 AM
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Working at home and working away from the home is two entirely different thing. I hear your argument (despite the ad hominem remarks, that's not nice😞). I was more directing this to men who claim women aren't "feminine and submissive" anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:48 AM
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It's a distribution problem. The whole you can buy a cell phone but you can barely afford rent and are one paycheck away from homelessness. The addiction/suicide crisis. Yes it's a socio/economic détérioration that is making life very stressful. That was what I was trying to get at
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:44 AM
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That's fine, but it's is also silly for men to be surprised that the women don't want to be "feminine submissive creatures" when they are living one check away from homelessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:41 AM
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Better in terms of technology, but socially it's worse. Suicides are at record high despite all of the "progress". How do you explain that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:39 AM
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More technology, less human connection. Some may say the latter isn't too bad if you are surrounded by technology trying to addict you to social media all to maximize your consumption habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:37 AM
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Likewise why did you even waste your time responding? Its an interesting idea. Lol you actually reported me? Who does that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:34 AM
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Good point. I wonder how much of this is just a natural consequence of our political and economic structure and how much of this is a 3 letter agency psyop. I lean towards the Yarvin interpretation that a lot of this is just an organic, unorganized emergent phenomenon due to incentives of capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:33 AM
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I agree. I think it's cringe to ask women to lower their standards. They want what they want. I was mainly addressing the RP guys who get mad about women not wanting average modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:29 AM
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Pointless but entertaining to see the responses. Also educational on how much people think about the externalities of late capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:24 AM
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I know it's seems my point flew over many people's heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:23 AM
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Work outside the home as well? Women are doing more now than before. I know women who are working full time while pregnant. It's completely unfair to put that much burden on a woman and then demand she "submit" to your leadership. It's silly AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:38 AM
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Im open to that argument, though I still think regardless if men expect "submission" from women they probably should try to create a situation that allows her to feel safe enough to "submit" as all the RP guys love to harp on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:20 AM
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This is what the fed would justify as "hedonic adjustments" you can buy an portable super computer for $1000 but you can't afford to buy a home and there are micro plastics in your water, not to mention energy costs increasing. As a whole the economy is getting more efficient, the distribution is getting more unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:18 AM
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I appreciate your perspective and I had this idea in my head while I was writing the post. The idea was about how some heartbreak isn't necessarily a bad thing and maybe running into some pimp and dumpers is a way to build mental fortitude. Im still of the opinion you don't need to subject yourself to every vice, and some mistakes are better avoided, esp if they end up leaving irreparable psychological trauma. That's why I'm thinking getting the family input can serve as a second set of eyes to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:13 AM
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Safety in numbers is the point I'm making.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:27 AM
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Of course I get that. But many women seem to bemoan this fact that men are not considering the woman's orgasm during the act. If you never had an orgasm would you be satisfied while having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:25 AM
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Good points. I am assuming your friends and family (almost by definition) have your best interest at heart and reflect your values somewhat. I guess in the western world it's very individualistic and not much concern for community building. So you do have a point there. I'd probably just say find new friends and elders who have valuable feedback. I'm just wondering how good people are at picking for LTRs when it's an isolated choice. The idea of merging families and communities in my mind makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:22 AM
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So the "orgasm gap" is a myth? Next you're gonna tell MeToo is a hoax
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:15 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:15 AM
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I'm just suggesting a new script for women who want LTRs with the "Chad" your describing. If he doesn't want to wait, well you know you're gonna have to share him in a relationship. That's an easy way to screen out. Also social circle can protect a woman from making a poor decision. Parents can inject wisdom. What is your suggestion to women who are currently done with being pumped and dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:49 PM
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Agree. Social circle and family can weed them out. And you can still be doing this form of dating with other women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:46 PM
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Lol yeah I didn't understand that last part. I think scripts are a fine way to navigate something as important as marriage and family building. I'm not saying make it obligatory, but to make it popular enough that people feel comfortable enough to use this as a new way of approaching LTRs. Right now and judging from the responses, introducing social circle to new partners and helping them screen your partners is a taboo when I think it should be the norm to help weed out the weirdos and liars an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:44 PM
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Coopération and communication is the foundation of sexual chemistry. This whole idea that you have to mind read people is why people think sexual chemistry is innate. Sexual attraction is innate, sexual chemistry is modern shorthand for "I don't communicate my sexual preference, so I expect by trial and error to find someone I like having sex with. " You can learn a person's body esp if you are patient and good communicator
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:39 PM
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You don't have to pay for her food. She can also contribute as well and the dynamic can change when it becomes serious. Now if the dates are so expensive that it hurts for you to pay all the time, that means you are not the provider type, so why are you paying for everything? Dating should be fun and respectful. If it's hurting your wallet adjust where you go for dinner. She should be contributing as you are both getting to know each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:36 PM
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I guess that's just unlucky but it's so rare, and if they are cheating and lying it will be harder to be playing the field and be deceitful as more people are aware of who you are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:32 PM
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And she met yours? At the very least the father will ensure you don't just pump and dump. Bring back social stigma. The apps and current dating practice allows for many people to misbehave in a way they wouldn't normally. It's too easy to ghost people in OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:30 PM
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I'd argue most women don't enjoy just sharing their body with everyone they date. I've seen too many jaded people in hookup culture perhaps. If you're able to do it with no qualms and with integrity go for it!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:28 PM
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You can screen for people who are cooperative and open to trying new things. You can also talk with them before hand about your sexual expectations if you don't think they can be taught. Most men are generally very bad at pleasuring a woman. Screening for people who will care enough to learn is a better way IMO. And having more data points and suggestions from your social circle isn't a bad thing IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:26 PM
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So all sex no matter what and with whoever is fun no matter what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:22 PM
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Why not take dating seriously? I've heard many people complain about how "cold the streets are" and they don't want any games. I think bringing social circle in protects you from the weirdos and stalkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:21 PM
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You can sus out people who are good at cooperating and are open minded to suggestions. Good sex takes communication. I personally haven't had a bad sexual experience after communicating my desires. I also am not expecting pornstar level performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:19 PM
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Most people aren't narcissistic. And talking to her social circle and family (vice versa) you can weed out the bad ones. This was meant for people looking for LTRs. Basically vetting with more eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:17 PM
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I guess I'm of the assumption you can screen for cooperative people by meeting their social circle and getting to know them on a personal level. Also if they have any hangup about sex to it can be discussed beforehand. But to each their own. I think this is a good cultural script for people looking for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:15 PM
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Hmm I slept on it and you might have changed my mind on some points. I'd still say many people feel their isn't much of a culture script for MODERN LTR dating. Most people looking for LTRs have to stumble through the maze of casual daters (some who lie about their intentions). My proposal could be rewritten for people who want LTRs. There are many complaints from both sides about casual sex culture aren't there Yep definitely. I'm one of them so Id agree with that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:12 PM
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The more I think about it after the responses I've gotten, the more I should have said this is a better LTR strategy than what people try to do currently. If the strategy for both parties is STR, then yeah go crazy and do as you please (guys get that consent).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:04 PM
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Fair enough. I still think no matter how much we try to o desensitize ourself to sex, it seems like there will always be something unique about sex that just having sex with anyone is a great idea for most people, but what do I know. It's all good. I only use reddit on mobile. I don't expect an essay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:01 PM
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You're right occasionally it's super healthy and honest. But most of the time the women are being lied to and are sharing a man they think they can have to themselves. I'm not against polygamy when it's transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:57 PM
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I understand most of your counter points, I'll respond to the one you had in bold. From my perspective I've seen many women regard sex as very sacred. For women it's just different. I don't know if it has something to do with socialization or something innate, but in context of many MeToo allegations and misunderstandings, we are seeing it seems like sex is not like any other activity you do with people. Ive only really seen the dynamic where after sexual encounter the woman becomes more attache…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:12 PM
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As someone coming from that space there are a lot of anti-social people there. Lots of people on the autistic spectrum for sure. Just imagine every awkward guy you've ever met IRL and that's your average RP dude. The statistics are an excuse for them to give up. Basically imagine every person who struggles with relationships. It's just poor social skills and or codependent narcissists (ie angry "nice guys" who are mad the women they want don't want them). Many of them have severe approach anxiet…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:00 PM
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Interesting perspective. How common do you think your take is on this? Because from what I seen this is a unique take I wasn't expecting actually. What is your take on MeToo culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 11:46 AM
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Really? I thought PPD was filled with at least some guys in the middle. You seem hella cool too!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:51 AM
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Go to therapy to address why you think you need to be a "nice guy" to get a GF. The red pill is all former "nice guys" who are overcorrecting but missing the deeper issue. But if you don't want therapy here are some surface level things you can do that aren't pushed by TRP: Have boundary and enforce it politely but firmly. Get more female friends. Use women who friend zoned you to your advantage. They can get you invited to parties where you can then try meeting and networking with new women. Ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:48 AM
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Yes victim pill! Wow couldn't have said it better myself. They LARP about being "strong stoic men" but it's all fed by 24/7 victim loop. You should trademark that and put it on a shirt lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:41 AM
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Fair enough. I can respect that take. I still argue that this is in their best interest. But that's just my view on it. I dont see it as martyrdom for myself personally. Maybe because I've had my fill of it. It's probably harder for guys who ain't had much experience yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:39 AM
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I'm just making suggestions. You're free to counter. I don't have a magic wand. It's just my ideas no need to get worked up about it. Seems like you've had many healthy hookups. I've just seen lots of the opposite and I hear women saying they regret hookup culture. How do you square that? Is there anything inherently wrong with relegating sex to LTRs? What is the drawback exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:26 AM
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I guess hookup culture is neither good or bad? Hmm I don't know if I agree with that takeaway. I think on the whole we should get rid of it as a society. But I guess that's where we agree to disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:17 AM
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I hear you sis! Remember Kevin Samuels? I like his message to men to self-improve and be social, but unfortunately he profited from basically giving guys that revenge fantasy. That "look guys...these women who don't want you, yeah they ALSO are gonna die alone". That revenge fantasy is on overdrive on the FnF podcast. Most of the manosphere is a revenge fantasy about how men will SHAME women into wanting to be with them. The only manosphere guy with integrity IMO is Andrew Tate. I probably lost …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:15 AM
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Yeah but I'm seeing a lot of "semi-yes" stuff in the culture. Esp what these PUAs and RPers talk about "last-minute résistance". I'm not sure how to make sense of women saying they hate hookup culture. I don't mean to be condescending though. I'm just arguing for some degree of vetting of people before you just treat sex like it's going to the gym or going for a run. I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't get attached after sex. At least that is my personal experience and what many consider "femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:04 AM
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It's a very weird feeling to kick a woman out of your place AFTER the deed. And I hear most women seem to not like the whole hookup culture. I've seen women give their virginity to a guy only to get ghosted. I just think there is a more ethical way. I doubt most women are down for Tinder hookups. But that's my hypothesis from my personal experience. Have you ever ghosted a woman after sex? I assumed you were on this harem-evenge fantasy that I've seen many guys go through (hell I went through th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:57 AM
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No I think this is a societal failing. It's basically laissez-faire do as you think, consequences be damned. I think men are making this problem worse by how they are reacting to hookup culture. Instead of examining and correcting, they just want to all become Andrew Tate, their fellow man be damned. It's a fantasy of course. They LARP about tradition while only wanting women to go back to being virgins (which is also a ridiculous standard, esp for a guy who claims he can't get a date because of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:52 AM
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How would you approach the current issues in hookup culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:45 AM
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Most women seem to regret hookup culture or am I reading that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:41 AM
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I don't think you tell the parents about the sex. I see it as a vetting for LTRs. Casual sex is ruining most monogamous relationships. Too much emphasis on trading up. And sex is just different than anything else you do with someone. I've seen most open relationships fail. I think this is a good way to mitigate the current problems with the lack of guidelines we have in modern dating
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:40 AM
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So revenge fantasy basically. You realize how rare it is to be the center of a harem? It's not gonna happen for most of y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:37 AM
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Idiotic assumes you're losing something. What are you losing out on? Busting an empty nut? Further pushing the social decay? More ghosting culture? How is that the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:35 AM
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Many men claim women don't want them, so maybe they don't have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:34 AM
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What makes it awful? How is dating slow a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:33 AM
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Definitely. I'm just hypothesizing solutions to dating. I think having more people vet your sexual partners is just wise. I mean if you can argue for a more wise approach I'm all ears because many RP guys LARP about tradition and religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:32 AM
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True. I was on the fence about friends. I think parents provide wisdom, and friends provide that personal/age-appropriate perspective given they probably know you in ways your parents or siblings don't. I'd say for most naive people this is the safer, less chaotic way to go about it. Right now we have a libertarian approach to dating, and it's deteriorating relationships to the point we have an active movement of men swearing off dating and women who just hate men. We need that guide. There is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:30 AM
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Same I prefer monogamous. I'm still open to the idea of some ethical polygamy if everyone involved is ok with it (families included). I forsee many guys getting lost in black pill ideology and creating a scarcity of psychologically healthy men. I think these Black pillers/MGTOWers will be exiting dating, so I think even polygamy might become the ethical way to ensure more women can get married and supported. Just a hypothesis though. But I agree LTR monogamy is better assuming most men are ok wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:25 AM
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The implications that you'll never have sex if you dare I say it wait? By the way you can still have low body count standards for her to ensure she's also living up to your ideals. That's the vetting process. You vet her family and friends etc. There are so many women out there who are gonna be so down for this. Between the hookup and the creepers on OLD, she would rather wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:17 AM
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Hooking up is empty AF. You might as well watch porn if that's all you want from her. I think what y'all are conceding is that women are...human beings who can offer you affection. Y'all pretend you don't need affection or love. I think anything else is just nihilism or some sort of way to deny your true emotional needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:12 AM
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It should be serious if you ask me. Parents (both sides) ensure that this is a good match. It's a more harmonious way to date. No more ghosting and games. All incentives are aligned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:10 AM
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From a utilitarian viewpoint that's all that matters right since the woman is "just a sexual object". Y'all are dodging because you see the humanist appeal I'm making.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:06 AM
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Lol even you know that's not true. It's framed as "don't let her get any advantage over you". It's adversarial be good faith. I was deep in the RP I know what it is at the core.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:04 AM
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So you build her body count even if you're not a good long term option? How is any of that "escaping the Matrix" like the RP guys like to say. Isnt that just feeding into the degeneracy that many RP people LARP about hating?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:02 AM
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Busting nuts gets pretty empty after a while, esp if you ain't procreating. Because if that was the case porn is the easiest way. Yeah actually why not porn then? Why risk with real women if all you want is to cum? What about sex is important to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:51 AM
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Yeah it took me 10 years to arrive here. Went through the Blue pill, RP, and a broad dive into moral philosophy etc and this is my conclusion after breaking a few too many hearts. Esp after you start befriending women with similar interests you realize women are not the enemy. Is this how you date? If not why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:49 AM
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Actually I might be open to that line of debate. It works better in an anti-capitalist context IMO. Because I'd argue we're just accelerating to a post-human or a trans-human existence, artificial wombs sold separately And how much of what you're speaking about is just sexual addiction? Like if you miss out on a mating opportunity it's some great loss? Is that your raison d'être?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:44 AM
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I think you just conceded. It does feel good to say "F it, I'll just watch it burn". But deep down you know you want to lead the change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:39 AM
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So black pill. Got it. Nietzsche would be so disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:38 AM
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That we aren't mind readers. It feels taboo to ask a woman about what she likes sexually. Be more honest with you sexual fantasies with your men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:36 AM
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This assumes that men and women are commodities. OLD is only ruining OLD market. Until OLD can replicate the 3D version of you (pheromones included), no it's nothing like e-commerce for dating. OLD is its own weird short cut for dealing with rejection and hiding from social scrutiny for bad behavior. Generally with e-commerce you're guaranteed to get what you paid for. And returns are easy enough to come by with Amazon Prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:34 AM
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Martyring what? Because you didn't get sex? If you agree casual sex is bad, and that it is a man's place to lead society, why are you conceding the power to women? Why not lead as a man? Unless all that red pill leadership stuff is just LARPing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:27 AM
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Sucker or moral integrity, which is more important to you? And if all you care about is yourself, you are reinforcing the same antisocial nonsense that are making things bad in the first place. Are you a leader or a follower of culture? What happened to the revolutionary ethos of the red pill and "escaping the Matrix". Hell even Andrew Tate doesn't believe in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:25 AM
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The type of two-face person who is convincing enough to deceive parents and friends are generally rare in the population. Narc and psychopathy are like 1/100 people. The likelihood that you run into them is rare, and if you do hopefully family, friends etc can suss them out. I think women fall for abusers AFTER having sex with the man. It blinds her judgement due to the psycho-hormonal dynamics involved in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:21 AM
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Parents can smell "fuckboy" a mile away. I agree this should be the golden standard of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:17 AM
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I agree. I also just posted a similar topic saying that men should date ethically and go super slow when dating women (or get to know her family and friends). It preserves the dignity of the man and protects the emotions of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:15 AM
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Welcome to capitalism, alienation and dehumanization comes free with this combo meal! I mean surrogacy is a form of dehumanizing, so is prostitution. This is the natural progression. Late capitalism will make this a reality. Perhaps this is just another step in human "progress".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:06 AM
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Is this post in response to my recent post on this subject? Either way I'm happy to I'm not the only one who sees this as not a terrible thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:42 PM
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I remember when genetic sequencing was verrrrrry expensive. The price on this tech will go down
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:40 PM
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Surrogate grow emotional attachment to the baby. Using humans as incubators or factories isn't a great solution
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:20 AM
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Im imagining a world where child rearing is largely done by the state. It's almost like that today with parents and kids gone for most of the day. I'm pllaying a bit of devil's advocate here. Perhaps the state knows the best way to raise a child, of course in the "best interest of the public" or for "public safety".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:52 AM
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They used to say that about many cultural phenomenon. Im already seeing women here saying they are all for it. Give it 2 generations of social engineering via social media algos powered by Super computers and yeah this will be marketed as the more ethical option for child birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:59 AM
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The human genome cost millions of dollars a generation ago, now the tools for gene editing are less than 100 dollars (ignore the insane markup the science companies like Fisher put on the materials). It will be as affordable as anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:56 AM
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Laws can change. Nothing a bit of social engineering can't fix. Start the campaign now with the youth, take a page out of Edward Bernays book, wait a generation or 2 and those "archaic" laws will be gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:54 AM
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Humanity as a philosophical concept. What makes us human? When even child birth is moved to the realm of machines what is left? Im all for it but I wonder if that just means I'm ready to merge with the machines. Just another step in the evolution of our species
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:50 AM
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It's not a hoax, it's hypothetical. The main thing making this hard to research is mainly ethics, but it's very feasible. Difficult but not rocket science or theoretical physics. Its not even as hard as what Neuralink is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:46 AM
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You donate an egg, go to sperm bank, seed the reactor, and come ack in 9 months. The biological clock would all but be over and women wouldn't need to settle down. I think there are 'any women who settle down just to have children. And the divorce stats kind of show that many people don't mind being single parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:44 AM
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I can already imagine the arguments calling for the sterilization of people and making this the mandatory way to ensure that they can screen for diseases and ensure the safety of the mother and prevent unwanted pregnancies. A perfect womb that can optimize everything the baby needs with molecular precision. Hell there might be some advantages to having children born artificially (perhaps they come out with a mental headstart due to results of experimentation. Who knows. It will be an interesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:40 AM
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Like Nietzsche said, God is dead and we killed him (with science). Godless society produces godless results
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:34 AM
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Facts. How do we break women of the delusion that they need a man in 2022. Android husbandos and waifus are just around the corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:23 AM
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I agree. It's weird how much people try to push relationships on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:18 AM
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Perhaps. I think the fact that women are outcompeting men economically just goes to show that most of the physical advantage men had in the market place has been killed by tech. This is mainly why women would rather die alone than be stuck with men who provide little emotional or sexual value. Every service they want from a man can be purchased. No need for a hubby to work on your car, just pay some fancy mechanic to fix (not to mention many of these EVs require a damn near electrical engineer d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:01 AM
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It is in late capitalism. As people accumulate more wealth, they use that wealth to buy politicians, that's how you get the current situation today. It is inevitable and strong regulation and taxes are needed to ensure that people can not become too powerful otherwise you get people like Soros and Klaus that RP guys love to hate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:22 AM
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The most efficient and effective technology is built in capitalist societies. See what happened when China embraced free market principles, now they are one of the leaders in AI. Ever more efficient resource extraction is created by technology. See dating apps and social media. Tech CEOs make sure their children don't get on this stuff for a reason. I'd argue that socialism reduces human freedom, but it preserves humanity as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:19 AM
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Fair point. I would too, hence that's why I'm all for this current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:13 AM
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But wouldn't you agree that labor unions got crushed because of technology being able to extract more value towards the capital owning class, then that money and power was used to rig elections and control politics for the defacto ruling class? This is why Marx foresaw that capitalism ultimately would fail. I think we need a balance but seems like RP guys think we need more free markets
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:12 AM
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BINGO!!! I'm starting to think that's it. They don't care about the fallacy in their beliefs, they just want to screw over and outcompete their fellow beta bros. And then you got guys like Rollo Tomassi pretending he cares about "saving" betas by waking them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:08 AM
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I think everyone will be removed from the gene pool eventually. CRISPR +gene editing + artificial wombs. No heartbreak no messy pregnancy. Waifus and Husbandos for all!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:06 AM
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Finally someone with a consistent worldview! That makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:03 AM
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Exactly but RP guys are libertarian at the core. They fear the state and centralized power. See where I'm coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:01 AM
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Problem is to become the engineer you sacrifice going out and learning social skills. If you traded places you'd probably struggle at the job
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:00 AM
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There will also be male AI robots that will be able to seduce her, probably trained on data sets of billions of interactions, tailored made to be her best lover. Internet porn is a consequence of unregulated capitalism. What you see now with dating apps is basically marketplace dynamics. A more even distribution of power and resources would help to even the playing field, and it only gets worse the more good paying jobs are obsoleted by technology. Personally I like tech and see it as just a ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:58 AM
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Its internally consistent to embrace technology. We keep feeding Google our data, we keep building AI that is getting better at addicting and exploiting us for profit. And best believe that the AI is being used to push agendas that benefit the stakeholders. So why not embrace it? A natural consequence of AI is that the physical utility of men is disappearing. We will soon have humanoid robots doing most jobs. That is why we are seeing a "feminization" of the society. Why do you need big strong m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:52 AM
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My question is are you ready to embrace the consequences of the free market? Let's just say like in the case of the FTX debacle. Just let the free market do it's thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:42 AM
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Perhaps, but I guess the Sacklers and Madoff's of the world are also doing what is necessary to protect their family legacy. What would you say to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:40 AM
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Many RP guys seem to argue to get rid of the regulations and safety nets.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:37 AM
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State taxes have a purpose as you described. Federal taxes are moving more than inflation control. But point taken
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:32 AM
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Yeah but many RP guys also hate the reality of the situation yet they keep fighting to protect the system
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:20 AM
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I agree the left has neglected men's issues. The right is better at paying lip-service. And the far-right romanticizes traditional roles that more or less panders to men. It's like RP want to go back in time while also embracing technology and free unregulated markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:19 AM
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No it's not lol. You have more choice than ever. What has happened is men have become weaker (probably due to low testosterone levels from all the plastic consumption). This is the best time to be dating. What we are realizing is that when given the choice, women prefer to be single and free to choose the best partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:44 PM
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Ah my bad. So used to dealing with MRA talking points. I see what you meant now. Hmm I don't think the analogy applies here. Most women don't want to fuck that liberally. Maybe for a few weeks after being only with one guy for a long time and being desperate for new people and to explore her fantasies, but that shit dies so quickly (esp when she realizes most guys, esp the Chads, don't care about her orgasm). So the profits will probably end up being 1:1 with her partner. Women need to feel safe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 09:45 AM
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I used to think feminism was bad. Now I realize that feminism allowed women to be who they wanted to always be. I think many women were forced to marry people they never wanted to really be with. The "problem" is entitlement on men side. Incels are dealing with depression and are generally antisocial to begin with and misdiagnose that problem with women, when it's really sexual shame and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:39 AM
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I agree. Nice guys aren't nice. They are just hiding their desires. Can't trust someone like that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:36 AM
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"Nice" = codependent narcissist No one wants to be friends with someone they can't trust. Nice guys aren't congruent and hide their true intentions. That's the problem with nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:35 AM
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Yeah it's more nuanced I think is what you're saying. But I'd say it's more counter cultural to be on the extreme. pPD feels more centrist and nuanced on dating issues
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:33 AM
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Good point. Seems like many people are really bad at negotiating these types of relationships, though these are just anecdotal. I like the idea though and many try it. That's why I think polyamory is probably the future or just more short-term monogamous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:31 AM
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Ehhhhhhhh that's why you date someone who is in your class economically. It's 2022 there ain't no housewives here and even if there were shed have nothing to do given all the technology that can facilitate chores and cooking these days. The divorce-r*pe stories are just anecdotes. Women out earn many men these days. If your wife is in a position to take 90% of your wealth with all the information out there on how to protect your resources, then perhaps it's not such a bad thing if she succeeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:28 AM
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I mean "sexually bored". Like eating the same flavor of cake everyday, forever. Even if it's good your pleasure receptors get overstimulated and you eventually want different. I think that's why people feel like cheating. Maybe some people are ok with sacrificing that and becoming more friends than lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:24 AM
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Yeah it does, I thinking adding a known end date to the marriage contract will make it feel like the marriage wasn't a failure and make the divorce process less contentious. Kind of like how pro sports players sign multi-year contracts and then hit free agency or can resign. Just food for thought
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:21 AM
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I think the people whoake it work just make peace with that sacrifice. For me I like sex way too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:18 AM
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So what? You assume that women want to sleep with all their options. They don't. It's fairly even in that sense. Just like men don't want to be long term hitched to everyone of their sexual options. It's yin and yang.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:17 AM
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Oh yeah I don't mean enforced. I just think it will naturally go that way as both sexes start to realize they can survive on their own. Single people seem to be increasing every year. I'm just wondering if we are seeing the end of marriage as the primary mode of relationship between men and women romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:16 AM
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Don't let my post dissuade your decision. I'm just posting to spark discussion and I got many interesting responses that are making me rethink my position. I think sex is really important to me, maybe it's not that important to others and they happily sacrifice that and go down the BFF route with their spouse and just live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:12 AM
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I mean from the same person. I don't get tired of music, I just get tired of listening to the same song. And it doesn't matter if I change the format (mp3, over the radio, on a record player) if that's the only song I listen to, yes I will get bored. Changing positions, wearing wigs, toys. It's still the same person. And when faced with temptation over years yes you do eventually break, or start pretending you are fucking someone else. I think it's more honest in the long run to just admit monog…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:07 AM
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Eh the robots and AI are making the need for more human beings less necessary. I mean people are having less kids for a reason. It's a consequence of technology and capital accumulation at the top of society
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:03 AM
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I know a couple that can't have sex much because of kids. It's a total buzz kill. And then the spouses go to work where they get sexual attention from other men and women. It's just to often. Sure that wild sex works when you don't have kids. But it dies after kids. Many married people living lives of quiet desperation when it comes to sexual satisfaction (which is a need if you ask me, not just a "want")
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:01 AM
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I think boys need to be raised by men during formative years. To ensure they grow to be strong. Mother's can raise boys as well, but I there is a level of discipline lost when your parent is literally smaller and physically weaker than you. At least with another man the boy will have to at the very least fear that there could be a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:58 AM
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That co-parenting thing seems to be an increasing trend TBH. My OP was aimed at men and women. Both get tired. I could see it working with asexual folks or people who abstain from sex. I've personally seen it not work long term (ie parents sleeping in separate rooms after 15+ years). You start to miss that passion, and the attempt to rekindle it just doesn't work. You end up fantasizing about coworkers and neighbors. I guess I could see marriages working long term if both people can be super hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:52 AM
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I meant sexually. Of course that goes without saying that you will have hobbies outside of your partner. I meant the one thing that seems to be a deal breaker in most relationships (ie having sex with other people). I'm just wondering how people have dealt with "7 year itch" phenomenon. I've had it and realized I wanted more variety personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:44 AM
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I guess I meant having sex with the same person. At the very least you have to pretend in long relationships. It's not even that you dislike the person, you just get tired of the same thing. And with all the sexual liberation and temptation, I've seen so many get caught up or cross lines all the time. Esther Perel's perspective on this really informa my thinking on this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:41 AM
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You seem to be getting a lot of hate, but I agree. These guys who complain about high notch count are usually equally as mentally messed up. We are all externality of liberalism and technocapital
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:22 AM
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Lol I think you're kinda dodging the question and proving his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:20 AM
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You know what Im hypothesizing? The creepers who are"brave" enough to approach are actually the less concerned with your opinion of them. That's why I assume cold approach gets a bad rep. The guy is who doesn't want to bother you and is polite is will not approach and would probably take rejection a lot better than the creeper who approaches every woman he is attracted to. I like the way you explained your philosophy on these interactions. I agree it's fine to approach with the mindset that you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:12 AM
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That's real. I didn't consider the asocial ladies. Thanks for sharing. I think this can help the guys who are scared of rejection. It's not always you(as the approacher) fellas. Some girls are just asocial. You won't believe how many guys are scared or traumatized by rejection when it might have nothing to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:14 AM
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Basically how much self control they have. Yeah I'd assume being treated as object of desire is kind of icky
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:37 AM
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Ah I see well I implore you to take this rare opportunity if you have time. You can safely skip Rebuild 1.0 and go to 2.0 and 3.0. They are doing the US theatrical release for Eva 3.0+1.0. If you love the episode 25 + 26 and EoE still gives you nightmares you will love how it wraps up. Sorry I am literally just left the theatre an hour ago. It was magnificent as a fan of 20 years. Back on topic...that's a fair point nothing more to say on that. Your user name really Trigger-ed me.🥁
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:34 AM
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Just thought Id throw in a perspective... Men assume that women like what guys like. As in men assume that what men see as an attractive man matches with what women think is an attractive man. Here's one thing to prove that point...how often have you ever noticed a man's watch or shoes? Well women look at that minor stuff all the time. Also the subconscious stuff that displays confidence. So this is all to say that there are leagues but many guys are pretty bad of gauging how they rank. They ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:27 AM
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I hear that. I suspected as much. I did this thought experiment in my head and I personally would feel like this person wanted something from me, kind of like when salesperson tries to sell you something. I personally think cold approach is a silly waste of time, Warm approach (friend of a friend, at the same event etc and noticed what I'm wearing etc) is much better way for guys to go about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:22 AM
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You watched Eva 3.0+1.0 tonight didn't you! Sorry that's kinda off topic. I hear that. So some women are ok with it. It doesn't feel degrading or reductive?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:19 AM
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If that's all it about, list your stats (height, pictures, gym PRs, income, IQ etc) and donate to a sperm bank and allow the women to choose the most fit partner. If you instead are looking for companionship, you need to find people who will like you as you are. Yes it sounds airy fairy but as long as you are human you will hate yourself the more you self improve. You can't bench press your way out of this. If you want a pure utilitarian marriage or relationship you're gonna be in for a pretty m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:16 AM
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If you have to practice it's not real. You can prêtend for a while but it's like make up. Until you use therapy or deep introspection to understand why you are "beta" (I hate these terms by the way but it's a shorthand) the real you will show up in your micro expressions and guestures. You can see it on FnF podcast. Myron gets disrespected all the time on his show, but when a true tough guy like some of the drill that rappers show up, the ladies naturally don't misbehave or act out. So yes actin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:12 AM
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It is a catch 22. The type of guy who is actually working on himself with the correct mindset is not the red piller. Most if not all RP guys need therapy. Many think they can earn love, what awaits them is basically what happened to Neil Strauss. YOU CANNOT EARN LOVE! That is the catch 22 of their advice. The type of woman you will meet is the exact wrong person for you long term. If all you want to do is play pretend for a few nights and replace, sure that can work, but eventually the real you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:08 AM
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My hypothesis is that women who are more attractive are more intimidating to many men, even though they are as human as the "average" looking woman. Yo me many woman are fairly good looking so I've never understood the intimidation thing. What I do relate with is feeling that most women probably don't share many interests or hobbies in common with me so that would deter most of my approaching to the few instances when I see them at said hobby. Good post! Unique type of question
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:03 AM
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Sleeping with one eye open sounds terrible. Can't trust the person you marry. Man seems like we are destined for loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 06:56 AM
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Touché. Well played
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:43 AM
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Fair point. I guess the online rhetoric from many of the loud (minority?) make me think that they assume if they just self improve harems will be waiting for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:03 PM
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The modern gurus that are making TRP mainstream are rude but describe it as just being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:32 AM
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Most of the gurus like Myron Gaines are basically worshipped by TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:48 AM
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Second, this heavy emphasis on getting to know her first is actually what many guys are already doing and doing WAY too much of. In fact, this is why the concept of friendzones and nice guys exist. Guys completely put their dick in their pocket, and emphasize completely platonic, zero tension interactions with women. This then leads them to believe the woman will take the initiative and make the first move, which doesn't happen. No the problem is these guys aren't being honest. You can get to kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:46 AM
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Being a nice guy means you are a needy person. Neediness is the problem. Women want at least an equal. When you are needy you are acting like a child. You can be polite and still be a leader. Say what you want. Too many RP guys don't understand this principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:43 AM
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They are in the friendzone because they only want her for the sex. They are so desperate they lie and wait. It's pathetic. Instead they should be honest and stop wasting time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:41 AM
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Do you know how rare it is to find a strong, masculine man in 2022? Super rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:38 AM
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I agree with your steel man, but I'd say the RP overall is like those pump and dump crypto gurus. They help like 0.1% of their audience to make money and everyone else gets dumped on. Most men won't have harems, esp guys who need TRP or dating advice. Most will fail and and the few who succeed will make conditions worse for the guys who believe in RP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:36 AM
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If you don't believe in the power of marketing and coercion there is nothing to talk about. The Social Dilemma, watch it. If you think you are immune to influence then you must not be human or you are just lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:24 AM
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The amount of 30+ year olds in debt and barely making it in America is astounding. Most of these guys will have to settle or just die alone. And the guys who think it's just about money and looks will realize that their girl is only with them because of money and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:21 AM
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I agree with your last paragraph. Many of these dude need therapy. I know I did. I came out the other end realizing that this stuff is just a beginning of a journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:17 AM
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They might actually be crappy. What do you have to offer a woman that she can't just get for herself. I'm waiting...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:13 AM
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And a former beta blue pill needy nice guy am has demonstrated in his past that he can't make a women feel safe. Judging people for their past when most men will never be able to become more than just average is a dumb idea. If you make under six figure and you still struggle with dating, yes you need to lower your damn standards. Yes your level of attractiveness is a single mom. Make peace with that and make lemonade out of lemons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:11 AM
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Nice guys are needy. The reason you got attractive is because you became less needy and were able to meet your own needs (ie taking care of your health and fitness and personal boundaries). You can have moral principles and still be a gentleman. Trust me I've been through the "nice guy vs assholes" thing and I get it. But being an "asshole" isn't the goal, the goal is to set boundaries and have a direction for your life and love yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:02 AM
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I guess it's not a problem for me persay. If anything the more desperate older women there are the easier it is to date as you get older. My dilemma is the backwards logic of TRP. The idea of making the problems they cc complain about worse. They to all about masculinity, but are basically following the sexual freedom narrative of the feminists. This follower frame is what I would say is not masculine (as described by TRP). It's very beta to follow and not actually stand by moral principles. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:54 AM
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Sperm cheap, eggs scarce. The women are the more valuable commodity in terms of reproduction. The 1% can just have harems. Problem solved
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:47 AM
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Or have father's raise better daughters...oh wait you could help to raise a better generation on men. Instead you went to do the antisocial, nihilistic thing and run off and enjoy your life as a narc. And then they wonder why society is full of selfish entitled women. Men lead women follow. And the men right now are basically acting like selfish kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:44 AM
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If you reproduce with her that is a win. Now if she don't want your kids that's a different story. Most of these average/below average guys are on par with a decently attractive single mom. Really think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:40 AM
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I've been on a journey with notch count. The more I think about it the more I'm ok with a woman with a high notch count, esp if she went to therapy to address an issues surrounding that behavior. Because I myself also had to make mistakes in my past. I wasn't always confident or super masculine. I would argue that low notch count women are worse for LTR. All it takes is one slick talker to give her attention she's not used to to make the mid wander. Plus sexual discipline starts to bleed into re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:35 PM
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Isn't that kind of beta and passive? How is that masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:48 PM
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Most of the population is overweight or unathletic. You are describing an exception. TRP is not sustainable for most men. I'm talking about your average RP guy who just wants a GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:42 PM
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TRP basically pushes for virgins or women with very little sexual experience so once a woman has been "pumped and dumped" she becomes useless to these guys. That's why I say it's zero-sum game. That's why if this becomes ultra mainstream people will realize how dumb it really is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:40 PM
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What moment? Most of these higher value men are the minority so yeah they have options. The 30 year old making $90k/year is still gonna have to settle for an older women unless he is suave or good with talking to women...which will have little to do with his money usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:35 PM
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Most bums are actually dealing with depression. Show me a guy hiding in his basement playing video games and I know for sure he doesn't love himself that much. So yes being your true self isn't the same as being a bum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:33 PM
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Social media and marketing and psychology aren't powerful forces? The same forces that made most modern men betas are the same that pushed Sex and the City on women. Come on now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:31 PM
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And then they complain about women causing the destruction of western society. SMH the logic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:29 PM
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Because unlike men, these women have options. If TRP is true then they will all just date and take turns with the healthy and fit wealthy 20 something. They don't have to settle. They can just go to a sperm bank even if it gets to 35
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:28 PM
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Fair enough. Hold off for the virgin who won't cheat on you in her early 30s. I'm sure that will be a super happy relationship. Smh bruh... delusional. If you're over 30 and making slightly above average salary don't expect to be dating hot young women who will love you genuinely. It's not gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:26 PM
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Get along implies she likes the real you. If you have to self improve to get love, it's not real. And the sex will definitely suck in that kind of relationship. And it won't be fun if you feel like you have to pretend and be some alpha caricature
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:23 PM
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So both of you remain single...oh wait she already had a kid, or she can go to a sperm bank. Either way she reproduces while you exit gene pool. That's TRP right there in the flesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:21 PM
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But isn't that black pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:19 PM
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As long as you are cool with her loving your money, sure. Most of y'all ain't got the swag or suave that Hugh Hefner had so having a harem of young girls ain't a flex. It just makes you a sucker. Most of these third world women are using you, they just are better at acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:18 PM
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If these women only want you now, its because they are settling and want to lock you down. These girls fuck you because they want to lock you down not because they like you. Women play the long game. Remember women have post-it clarity pretty much everyday. They are a bit more wise than y'all give them credit for
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:15 PM
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The men are all competing for the same amount of women according to TRP. Self improvement is a way to improve your odds in the dating game. TRP also advocates spinning plates. Playing this type of immoral dating game creates bitter/jaded older women and also more single moms which makes it harder for the next guy to find a "young virgin". TRP lacks morality and doesn't push for monogamy enough
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:12 PM
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So childless. Perfect these guys are exiting the gene pool. And when they are old they will be a strain on healthcare services, perfect way to exit a self-centered life. No offspring, nothing if value added to the world. Even George Clooney got married. Y'all will learn with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:07 PM
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Most women would be better serves staying away from beta insecure men with that kind of mindset. These women are better off just sleeping with the 20% just like how the RP suggests. It's unsustainable to tell guys to fuck around and spin plates and then also tell guys to avoid single mothers. Its immoral and completely contradicts the trad-con LARPing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:05 PM
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Getting fit is great way of showing respect and love for yourself. Getting a better paying job that allows you to feed yourself and provide for a family is way of showing respect and love to yourself and people who rely upon you. Doing it to get a woman is the wrong frame work. That's why it will usually fail for most RP guys. Most of the guys are doing self improvement for sex, thus the women they attract will also be just as shallow and flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:01 PM
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You don't want kids? Like not just her kid, but to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:55 PM
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But you could have your own kid in the relationship no? If single moms and older women are your only options, what's wrong with that? Is exiting the gene pool that much better?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:54 PM
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Yes you can just throw your money around to get women to like you. Lol how is that even better? Y'all really just see women as objects, no interest in relationships at all huh. Well more power to you. You're basically just like the crazy feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:53 PM
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Maybe the baby daddy was bad in bed? Maybe he got too fat? Maybe he was super-beta around her. Y'all assume every baby-daddy is some Chad. They broke up for a reason. The insecurity can be addressed with counseling. But it is hella insecure, which RP ironically sees as feminine. The stoic thing would be to go into the relationship anyways despite the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:51 PM
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It's not all BS but it's not as simple as "get more $, get more muscles". Because if that is your approach you will always be insecure and have to keep acting. Basically you can never relax around a woman because you know if you stop acting she will see the real you. TRP is ok for getting sex, not genuine desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:47 PM
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Fair enough. They are basically exiting the gene pool so maybe it's a good thing to have them keep spouting their nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:45 PM
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You're older so you have more in common She's not your mother so she shouldn't need to take care of you You don't have to do anything, if she makes demands you don't like, that's when you pick up your masculinity and set boundaries like a REAL man. Baby daddy drama? Perhaps but she's making compromises as well (former RP beta who probably can't flirt or get her turned on). At some point you have to settle, or just erase yourself from gene pool. Just realize that's your black pill choice. Most RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:44 PM
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Based! They think it's as simple as earn more money, get more muscles. It's just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:38 PM
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Bet, she won't date former beta either. See how this logic breaks down? Between the 2 sexes she's already reproduced. So if anything y'all need her more than she needs you. Go ahead and die alone. Most of these guys are gonna go the MGTOW path. More power to them from running away
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:36 PM
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Yes gold digger options. If the only reason she's with you is because you're wealthy and fit, trust me shes just acting. Yes women are better at acting like they like you. Trust me the biggest sociopaths are women. If you need self improvement to get a relationship, it's not a real relationship. It's a business deal. If so don't be surprised when she gets her sexual needs else where 7 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:34 PM
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Y'all do though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:31 PM
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Even as you typed that you know that's not true. Just go approach her what's the worst that could happen
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:30 PM
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Exactly don't create families, help to contribute to the decline of society. Lol where is the leadership in that kind of selfish existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:29 PM
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How can you vet if you're just acting alpha. Most of these guys are naturally beta. When she realizes it was an act what should she do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:28 PM
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I guess I'm speaking to the loud (majority or minority I can't tell at this point). It still stands that philosophy of polygamy will for sure make the sexual landscape even worse for men like them. And as they all self improve they will just raise the baseline (even though love is not something you earn).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:27 PM
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Yep it zero-sum game on steroids and they don't even realize it. If anything they will make the dating problems even worse
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:25 PM
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Exactly! Someone gets it! I watch the Fresh and Fit podcast and just shake my head at the audience who keep trashing the women when I can tell theybdont have any options either. It's like when everyone who watched Kevin Samuels started saying they were a high value male. It's all just a way to procrastinate approaching women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:23 PM
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Fair but the discussion is around the advice. If we are being honest most of those guys don't want to be sexless and alone. But yeah if they want to ruin their life with this stuff more power to them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:20 PM
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Those aren't real rules. They just say that stuff. Y'all really don't understand women at all. Women break their rules all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:18 PM
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Fair take. If a man is only interested in the mom's body then yeah that's not good. But if he cares about her of course he will care about her offspring. It's like marrying someone and saying "screw you" to the inlaws. That's silly and not a way to build strong families. When you marry, you're joining families
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:17 PM
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Seems like an irrational fear. Unless you have a virgin wife, she will have an ex who left her. Let's just stop this whole nonsense about cheating with ex. In her defense, the guy could go back to becoming a fat broke nerd. Because for most of these guys it's an act. They naturally want to be one way, but they think they need to change to become attractive to the opposite sex. What they need is to find someone compatible. And to learn to love themselves. You only need one. Not everyone can have …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:15 PM
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No worries. I'm on my phone too. Thanks for the reply. Now for the rebuttal: Here's how I see it. Both of you all were not well trained on how to build a family. Both of you were immature. On the male side, your father didn't teach you how to date or flirt or should masculine frame. If you couldn't get any date in your early 20's you probably were doing something weird. And I'm sure you looked over that nerdy weird looking girl, let's be honest. On her side, her parents didnt instill sexual disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:09 PM
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You do see the fault in that thinking. We are telling men to be masculine, yet they runaway from their duty to their community? So what's the plan when you hit 60 for most of these guys? Retirement home? At some point y'all gonna realize you don't get everything in life. Most people settle. Y'all sound as weird as the never-married feminists who don't want to settle either
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:58 PM
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I'm skeptical of how much "self improvement" actually happens and how much is just mental masturbation for guys too scared to talk to ANY woman. Like I said it's a nice starting point but dating and relationships is way more nuanced than just getting fit and being wealthy. For it to work she needs to like you for you (and vice versa), otherwise you need to keep acting alpha. That's the problem. It's good to be able to sleep with women perhaps. The Flirt game is seriously lacking in RP space with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:55 PM
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Exercise and fitness isn't zero sum game. But the sexual market place as described by the RP is zero sum game. So the argument still holds true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:51 PM
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If you weren't successful in the past you're not supposed to tell them that. Why would you? It's self-sabotage. So women should lie about their past as well? You see how morally bankrupt this can get. At some point we need to let the past be the past. Sexual liberation and these apps victimized both men and women of the millennial generation. At some point we need to realize it was a cultural phenomenon. Men weren't very masculine and women were not super feminine. It's time to move on and start…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:49 PM
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So basically selfish. Raising another kid is...leadership! That's masculinity. Now yes you can have preferences but to make it seem like these women are a problem is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:46 PM
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So basically this is revenge for different women in the past? So instead of having a child and helping to raise a child in next generation, all you care about is your own feeling? This is masculinity? Where is the sense of responsibility for making stable societies? Kind of nihilistic way to live don't you think? This is the logical fallacy I see in RP spaces.Super individualistic, no focus on family or community building. It's a destructive ideology the way some people implement it. But then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:44 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:39 PM
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Fair enough. But if you are the average-below average guy don't be surprised or upset when women also make these shallow judgements on your income, or your lack confidence or suave, or physical fitness. Esp after the age of 30, most single men this age need to accept that they themselves are also leftovers as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:37 PM
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I'm guessing that's sarcasm but I'll play along 😀 lol. And when she finds out it's all an act and he fails the typical shit test then what? That's the problem with RP. It's very bad for creating genuine relationships. Basically you have to put on act 24/7. It's super silly way to go about finding relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:33 PM
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Yes this! So many dudes don't understand the art of flirting. Seen women cheat on model-looking guys with a dude with average looks and charisma and confidence and smooth-talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:31 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:27 PM
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Based. The way some of these content creators sell their "knowledge" they act like their audience isn't a bunch of losers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:26 PM
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The community itself isn't self improving. It's zero-sum game by it's premise. And because the RP is now fairly mainstream, it's very unrealistic that the average man will now suddenly become above average. Most of the community doesn't live the principles at all. And they always forget the emotional side of women. They never understand how pimps convince women to go out and hustle and bring the money back to him. Many in RP don't know how to demand respect without using money as a negotiation t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:10 AM
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You can complain sure. But you specifically because you are the anomaly. You actually have enough utility to negotiate traditional roles (not love, love is something you don't negotiate). These RP/trad-con LARPers lack most of the traditional masculinity (hence most of their dating problems). I always say a woman will naturally follow your lead. If you're a beta, she will rise and become the alpha. If you're the traditional alpha, she will naturally become the beta if she likes you enough. I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:06 AM
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Between sperm banks, AI weapons and drones, any of the physical utility of men will be all but made obsolete. There are philosophical schools thinking about the ultimate consequences of technological advancement. I mean all the porn addiction that is making men very wary too approach should be a sign of things to come. The men check out and the women go to sperm bank to have children. That is where society is heading. Make peace with that and move on
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:59 AM
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Which barbarians? That's what AI weapons are for. Drones and autonomous weapons will enforce the system. The time for rebellion is pretty much over. You really underestimate how much physical might has been innovated away. Any "rebellion" will be crushed before it starts. Hell the algorithms are probably good enough to convince the barbarians to do nothing and keep watching the porn...oh wait that's modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:55 AM
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I thought you were going a different direction based on your title. I think OLD will have a revolution. Bumble seems to be very good at making it an even playing field that is better for women. I don't see it becoming less viable. Especially if we think about how super powerful AI will be able to study data of couples who meet and delete the app and get together. Basically technology will make these apps very good (see Black Mirror "Hang the DJ").
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:50 AM
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Good relationship>no relationship>bad relationship I was gonna try reply to the post but this sums it up superbly!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:44 AM
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Yep. So many trad-cons forget what it was like pre-WW2. Women worked in many different ways it wasn't just housework. Women worked on the fields and in farms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:17 AM
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Exactly! So many RP guys think it's bad to have women working when it really ends up expanding the economy. It's like having more machines in the system. The whole wage competition argument is BS. They also forget how vital having women stay back and work in factories in WW2 was super valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:15 AM
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I agree. As a recovering Red Pill addict, Ive come around to understand the ladies perspective on this. Why should a women settle for a guy who doesn't know how to take care of a woman's emotional needs? The RP is full of dudes still very early in their understanding of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:08 AM
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I don't think they get mad...the problem is the men will still expect the ladies to cook and clean. What all of the liberation of women has shown us is that men weren't that awesome in the past. Women settled out of a need for survival. Now that they don't need men for survival they can now negotiate better terms in relationships. Now as a man you need to bring more than simply income to the table. Why should a woman settle? To some women it is better to be alone than deal with the problems of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:05 AM
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I agree with all of what you said. There is hypocrisy on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:26 AM
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Thank you! The responses are so informative. These guys think that they can want traditional woman without being traditional men. It makes no sense. That's what I dislike about the RP. Too many guys overdose or only read it half way
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:24 AM
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Looks like men are doomed then. And they have only themselves to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:19 AM
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So are women the more powerful sex? Are they now our oppressors? If so men are doomed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:16 AM
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I'll be the first to say feminists are also contradictory in their behavior. It always baffles me how many of these feminists don't go simply live their ideal lives as career women with children they adopted or created via IVF using sperm from sperm bank. Both RP and Feminism are basically the same in their behavior IRL. I'm simply pointing out that guys in RP are also falling into that trap. Esp the ones who live online. That was all I meant to say
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:15 AM
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No you are an anomaly in 2022. I was being hyperbolic to make a point that many RP guys demand traditional roles when they mostly don't live up to any traditional values. I e lived in the south and in rural communities and noticed men in those areas have no problem getting with women, even if they are broke or working low paying jobs. I made this post to get discussion along this topic because too many RP/MGTOW guys complain about women waaaaayyy too much when they aren't even leading by example…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:09 AM
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You get my point come on now. You think that's fair to have the woman do all that while the man barely pull his own weight? I mean at the very least men should learn how to defend their own home.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:53 AM
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The 1% are a lot more strategic. Seems like they will reproduce while these other men in the RP stay only on the internet and don't do a thing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:51 AM
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Sounds like you won pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:49 AM
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Trust me I super agree with you! Esp capitalism and alienation. Marx predicted a lot of this. I sometimes think this is our march towards some post-human utopia/dystopia (probably dystopia). Esp with men starting to retreat to the meta verse and VR Porn and sex bots. It's sad as hell. But many in the RP are conservatives who believe in free market capitalism. There is something beautiful about human relationships that I'd like to preserve, but it seems like we are unable to stop progress. As we …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:48 AM
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Fair point. But you are conceding to the progressives in that sense. That women are equals. But if you do believe in traditional values, you would live out your principles in that sense. You strike me as a libertarian or anarchist so I get where you're coming from if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:37 AM
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If a woman can get the utility of a man from the market, then why would she settle for a an average guy? That's my point. The RP has these guys asking for stay at home wives when they can barely pay their own rent. There is nothing more depressing than a woman who has to slave away at a job and come home and cook and clean (which I almost understand why women cheat with their bosses). That's a terrible deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:34 AM
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Yes but these RP guys say that modernity is destroying western civilization and also why these women don't want them. It's a big whole in their logic. I'm fine with the current situation. I like women who don't feel overly repressed and feel like domestic slaves. Edit: * hole. smh typo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:31 AM
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You're more traditional than most and you retired her and provided her some security. You're also actually on my side of the issue. Most of these RP guys push the extreme traditional stuff (virgin bride, housewife, modest) while continuing to support modernity. I personally like that women have more freedom to be who they really want to be. I decry the hypocrites on that side of the argument. Congrats on the engagement!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:28 AM
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Really why is that? Why are men not voting as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:24 AM
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Exactly so this is why I say pushing extreme traditional values in 2022 technological, information economy is a bad deal for most women when they can just rely on the state to protect them . Edit: I agree with you, that's why women don't see the point of traditional values in 2022. Why would you need a man if you can just buy the utility of a man from various places? And then most men aren't even in tune with their emotions and then put that burden on their partners. It's a bad deal and thus the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:19 AM
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So then you have no problem with the current situation? If you do have a problem then you must realize the contradiction in those beliefs in manhood and honor? Unless you're a Nihilist (which would be counter to the religious arguments of the trad cons and TRPers who LARP about traditional values). If you can't see it or refuse to see it that's your right, just know it's not based in logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:16 AM
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Yeah I meant RP guys. They are the loudest against feminism. They don't even realize the contradiction in their beliefs, but they scream it like it's "the objective truth". Apologies for the friendly fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:13 AM
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You are the anomaly unfortunately. Most of TRP are larping/coping about their inadequacy. A lot of them need therapy or kick in their ass. Most of them hate criticism of their ideology so therapy would probably be better to coddle their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:10 AM
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Let them have their delusional fantasy. They will reproduce, the average loser man won't
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:07 AM
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That is a traditional role for a man yes a man should not rely on police. Though that is why men in uniform are more attractive to women. If you expect a stay at home submissive wife yeah you have a burden of performance. Can't be at home playing Xbox and expect a woman to respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:06 AM
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Most of the engineering, science, finance jobs are filled with men stop bro. Obviously men maintain the infrastructure for now, but automation coming for truck drivers, home builders, hell even AI weapons and drones will be used in lieu of boots on the ground. If the situation is so bad for men, why don't they revolt against the system?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:03 AM
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Yes but why has it become so hard for men in the west to provide for their families? Was it a group of men who make the decisions? Who votes for these policies? Who doesn't vote for them? Who doesn't revolt? I think the answer is that the men have allowed the situation to deteriorate so badly. Women only have the power men have given them in this society if we are being super honest. Or at least that is the RP interpretation. So why do these men act like victims? I'd argue it's men's fault for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:00 AM
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Bingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:55 AM
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You'd have to discard science and technology first. Secularism came about due to the Enlightenment. Anything else is simply a half measure
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:53 AM
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But the argument is that of degrees. Because I don't see any of these tradcons ready to go to the woods and create their utopia. There are millions of y'all just go do it. Or do what Ted Kacynzski or James Ellul were arguing for. Any half measure against the technological system will just end up failing. I think y'all have to just embrace the fact that AI is going to engulf the world, traditional values along with it. Tradcons are like a tree in front of a giant buzzsaw. If your plan to preserve…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:52 AM
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Why aren't men leading? Why are they waiting for the women? Isn't that super feminine in the RP view?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:00 AM
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Well don't be surprised if the women see the men as useless and don't respect them. We should protect all women regardless. We live in a society, which should be seen as a large community, this when something is happening to OUR fellow women, we should step in. Creating a dog-eat-dog dynamic inside of your own country is a recipe for disaster. When social trust and cohesion is so low, it's no wonder elites socialize losses and privatize gains.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:58 PM
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I agree with your point. I guess in my head most men these days are heading down the RP rabbit hole so I made that assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:54 PM
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Let's put it this way...some men like chubby women, even though that is considered "not attractive" (which is kind of silly if you think about it and our ancestral past). Women also don't need magazine model who is a billionaire and can slay a dragon with his bear hands. Emotions are important (esp in the sex department). Women's brains are wired differently (which is why they can multitask much easier than men). I've seen model looking guys get cheated on with shorter fatter guy who had that mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:53 PM
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Most of the country lives in the cities though. I'd argue you don't see as much of the hyper-radical fems in those small towns. But in the urban areas and the coastal states like Cali and NY, men are largely not that useful as a partner. Everything in urban cities gets outsourced and the men work is cushy office jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:36 PM
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True. Its just frustrating to hear my fellow guys running trying to act like victims. It's so sad and I'm glad I'm awakening from that RP garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:32 PM
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But aren't men natural leaders? Like why are we waiting for women to change? That makes no sense if you adhere to RP. Hell most guys barely have the courage to approach a woman for a date. I've seen men just stand by and watch a woman get assaulted on trains and do nothing. Men should be men regardless of how women behave. The women will then change.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:30 PM
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Right? I guess human nature at work. Hypocrisy is a universal human experience
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:27 PM
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Making a dating profile without a bio is like looking at apartments on Craigslist with no descriptions. What is the point of OLD if you can't eliminate people. Pictures are the first filter Description is the second filter. Then they read your message and respond. Women spam swipe like men. It's basically encouraged by these apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:25 PM
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People, men and women, are attracted to narcissists and sociopaths. It's why some of the RP leaders are very convincing even when some of their world views are contradicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:18 PM
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That's a cynical take. Women are just people. RP and Black Pill guys like to LARP about trad con values and religion and then spew this super un-Christ like stuff. What happened to "love thy neighbor". Imagine if we told women the same shit. This is anti-social behavior of the highest order.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:16 PM
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I mean some of these "platonic" relationships are usually just emotional infidelity if you ask me. And people say it's toxic to stop a woman from having those types of relationships. That's kind of the impetus of the OP. I always see women acting in polyamorous ways but pretending to be monogamous. Like I have platonic friends as well but I text them once every few months. I think it's kind of antithetical to say you're not sharing your heart with other people if you have deep platonic friends. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:20 PM
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That's gangster as hell! Cold approach does work. I missed an opportunity yesterday when I was at Target. Still kicking my cowardly self.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:16 PM
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Try try try again? Maybe these people had other issues. It takes maturity to make it work. Most people have too much ego I'm starting to realize
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:13 PM
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Fair enough. Well said!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:11 PM
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Yeah I get it. That's a good argument you make there. I still want to try and have to GFs who live with me so that I have enough variety to not have to keep dating. Or have a rotation of people I'm seeing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:10 PM
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See that makes sense. I've seen the contradiction of women and men spending time and energy with platonic friends and claiming moral high ground of monogamy. At least you have an internally consistent view. You don't spend tons of time with them. I've seen the opposite which is just emotional infidelity/soft polyamory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:07 PM
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Platonic opposite gender friends I'm guessing is a hell no to you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:01 PM
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Do you think it makes him jealous at all that you spend energy hanging out with them? Do you see where I'm going?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:01 PM
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How did you meet her? I feel like the unicorns are at the bookstores (the modest types).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:59 PM
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Gotcha thanks for sharing. I pushed ya just to get an idea of how it breaks down in your head. Makes sense to me. I just women were as logical as you. A lot of women do things like having male "platonic" friends but expect you to treat them like they are your wife. Your world view at least is logically consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:58 PM
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Y and Z can be like how you put up with a grand parent or in law who lives with you. If they love you enough they'll figure it out. I'm convinced you can be friends with anyone if you try hard enough
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:55 PM
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If your hubby said get rid of your platonic male friends what would you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:53 PM
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Why not break the social conditioning that is holding you back from enjoying all the beautiful people in this world?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:51 PM
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Your other lovers could be family too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:50 PM
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I'm coming out of long term (8+ years) and I'm like hell to the no to monogamy. You act faithful for that long and suppress desire only for it to not work out. So much sunk cost in monogamy. But don't let me ruin your parade! I'm sure she's wonderful hopefully she ain't a headache to be with
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:49 PM
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So what about family? Does your husband come first?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:46 PM
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They could all just live together and work as a team. Like if I can have a group of platonic girlfriends, why can't it work in sexual context?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:45 PM
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Based! So a combo of ego. Well if that's the case why are women these days always pushing that jealousy button with their platonic male friends? Like it's so weird swing the contradictions, but that's humans brains for you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:43 PM
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Basically it's not rational. Finicky human brains damn you!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:41 PM
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I know I'm playing devil's advocate for sake of discussion. I'm still skeptical though that people don't get tired of same woman or man everyday. The only person you can have sex with is just her or him. It seems depressing when you're surrounded by so many options. Maybe it's just a phase for me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:40 PM
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I hear that!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:38 PM
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Yeah it's that selfish gene inside all of us. The ego is hard to kill. Once people realize they aren't special they will get open to the idea and drop the pride
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:36 PM
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But isn't that desire to keep her to yourself immoral? She has desires and fantasies as well why hold her back from exploring?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:35 PM
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Can't they be there for you and for their other partners at same time? Do you really never desire another or is this just virtue signaling? I'm convinced most people eventually get tired of being with the same person (7 year itch)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:32 PM
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Why do committed people want commitment? What do you think drives that desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:29 PM
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Ahh I see. That makes sense to me actually. I like an independent woman in that sense, as long as she allows me to be independent as well and isn't expecting commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:28 PM
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I've heard people argue that gender is just socialization. And that there is no difference between female and male brains. So I'm trying to reconcile the contradiction there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:27 PM
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Yeah I think it's mainly just that selfish gene and tradition. In a world of sharing I think it can work. I've had more fun being non-committal than being committed for sure as a guy. I just always wondered why women keep pushing for relationships still when they don't need it and it's more fun to go on dates etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:25 PM
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Lol funny and true. Marriage seems like a trad LARP. It literally makes no sense with sexual liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:17 PM
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So in marriage you pretend that you only want to your husband? I don't think it's natural. Sexual liberation is the proof that we were being shackled by society. What say you to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:14 PM
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I think that might be it. Just need to wait it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:12 PM
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So you don't want to get married because of credit score? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:11 PM
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Yes because women try harder in relationships when they are emotionally invested. Men generally arent good with social cues and thus in a relationship they are usually worse at maintaining happy relationship. Women are better at the people pleasing game essentially out of survival instinct
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:04 PM
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Same my parents (immigrants) are the same way. Men hang with men. Women hang with women. Anything else is dishonest and basically soft polyamory at the least. I'm in the US. And man it's the same issues here. I had a GF who in my beta blue pill days I at least had the boundaries to demand she not go to bars etc without me. She had male friends (again beta blue pill days) but I was super against it and basically just left her because I didn't like the situation. They gaslight you into thinking no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 08:03 AM
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Nah I hear that. Yeah the lady I didn't pull the trigger/ask on a date who was married basically almost kissed me and I just kind of dodged it when we hugged (she had confided in me some of her marital issues). I don't think I ever flirted with her (maybe unintentionally), that was when I was a bit more innocent and pure hearted. But man not sure I'm turning down next opportunity. My theory is that the sex is more passionate when it's taboo so it sounds like fun. I just prefer it be women I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 07:06 AM
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This is so true. Many dude (myself included in the past) don't even try. I recently did a similar post about this other day and man the copium is strong with some guys in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:54 AM
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Wow thanks for sharing. Seems like they just naturally happened. I've had a few close calls that I basically chickened out of myself just to avoid the drama now that I think about it. But that all sounds about right esp the married woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:51 AM
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Yep the RP has some basic truths but a lot of the solutions/suggestions contradict the same principles. Ive slowly begun to realize them esp when watching how many in the RP Space behave. And hence that's why I've started questioning some of the internal contradictions. I still think the RP is a good start for men who are very naive, but it's just a stepping stone not a destination. Slot of guys get stuck there
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:45 AM
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Given most of these men lack in other departments (mismatched hobbies, poor sexual performance thanks to porn addiction, poor hygiene and style etc) when these men can't even fulfill the provider role it begs the question why would a woman want to settle? She will still have to carry the child and probably even do housework. I can see why women aren't thrilled to date the average guy and will hold out now that they have the freedom to do so. I think it's a wonderful thing. There are guys who ear…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:33 AM
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Yeah I've seen it happen too. I'm talking to the "80/20" meme that some RPers get butt hurt about. I don't actually believe the meme myself
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:47 AM
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It seems like you are arguing because we don't understand 100 percent of human psychology and sociology we can't make some conclusions that apply to most people. That's unproductive way to just shut down conversation. "Some people are different" is like saying some people fall out of the norm which is unhelpful for most of the population who do fall in the middle of the distribution. I'd say TRP references experts, I would agree people on Reddit aren't the experts themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:45 AM
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It's bad faith and a bit antisocial. If you've never experienced it fine. This isn't a thesis, it's just discussion of ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:39 AM
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I have 3 women who I’m seeing casually who are all pushing for serious relationships and I’m going to bin them off today, as they all know my boundaries. I pay for all of our dates & do all the initiating, but they are still pushing. I also have 2 women, one is married the other has a partner who have also had a ONS recently. One I work with, the other I know her from my gym. Wait so you got 3 or 5 ladies? How did you meet the cheating ladies I'm super duper curious? Like I've never been in that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:37 AM
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I'm gonna disagree here. Most guys will want to sleep with the average women. Esp this generation and all the porn they watch. Most guys will sleep with anyone. It's sex addiction really if we're being honest. It's why many of these guys can't have a convo without getting super nervous. It's the sex addiction. If you don't get approached anymore as a lady I'd say it's the guys fault. They have been raised to be scared little boys. So average women everywhere know that you all are are sexy enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:31 AM
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I agree. Lots of spoiled boys who want their participation trophy. Good times breed weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:27 AM
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Lol what? Your lived experience tells you it's more than 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:26 AM
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Same here. Based!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:24 AM
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Discussion sure but trying to convince them via logical argument to ignore their desires will only breed resentment (see anyone who broke aways from Mormon or Catholic churches later in life).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:23 AM
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"Need" but in a reductionist sense of the word. We will always have the two genders but most of their utility will be replaced by the market/tech. I've seen research working on manufacturing artificial sperm and ovums. It's a Brave New World
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:22 AM
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This. BASED!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:20 AM
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Sex is one helluva drug. That's why. Lots of sex addiction out there. Guys get blinded by it so they look past many red flags. And then complain about how they got taken to the cleaners in divorce court and go on an AWALT/MGTOW RP rage fest
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:18 AM
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Oh I assumed most RPers know FnF podcast. They literally are making RP famous, Hell they interviewed Tate way before he got famous so I assumed you'd get what I mean. But I can find you a timestamp if you are gonna pretend Im lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:49 AM
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Maybe she doesn't find these guys attractive. Come on now. RPers should know what women want. Maybe it's because these men don't measure up. If you don't have a mouthpiece and your fashion sucks and you make the same amount she does, what exactly are you offering her? Conversation about the football game? I'm super curious
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:47 AM
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I think the income inequality piece is why women don't respect men as much anymore. Many men take the economic conditions without resistance. They sit back and watch their ability to provide on for their families get worse and worse and they do nothing. Thats why women don't feel safe enough in this society to settle for an average guy, because deep down she realizes this "prole" can't protect her from technocapital, hence she must work harder and harder for less and less. So women are subconsci…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:42 AM
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Esp this generation of men. Many come home and just play videogames and watch porn after work. How would they make time for a kid? Most can barely take care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:37 AM
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Finally some agreement! Took some digging to get there
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:35 AM
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"Perfectly fine, perfectly single" according to those men. Maybe the women are on to something. If you only make just above minimum wage, and are struggling to make ends meet, why exactly should a woman want to settle for someone who if he loses his job, she now has to take care of him. Most people live check to check. Maybe romantic committed relationships are luxury good to women. And for guys who can't get laid they have more to gain than they offer to said woman. I wish RPers tried to see it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:34 AM
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This implies relationships are necessary for survival
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:29 AM
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Pretty much any episode of FnF after hours. Myron tries to act like he doesn't shame the women for their standards but they sure do get a kick out of laughing at a woman for her "standards".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:28 AM
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Artificial wombs to save the day perhaps? We're far away from that future probably. Yeah I agree on the social engineering bit. Edward Bernays would froth at the mouth at Social Media technology and smart phones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:26 AM
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Wait does that mean RPers are largely fincel since they say that you need money to "snag a bish"? I don't hear many RPers talk about how to sweet talk a woman or how to emotionally connect with women. It seems like it's all gymcel/fincel stuff. Nothing about companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:23 AM
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That's what the drugs, wine, and pets and AI chatbots are for. The market has the solution for all your problems! Work, consume, die and repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:21 AM
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In the 20s you needed a man to survive. No surveillance tech to help identify who came in your home and killed you. You needed the protection of man. Women clearly are marching with their feet due to the incentives. I've never heard this term fincel, maybe that's where I am going with this. Thanks for the new lingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:20 AM
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What's your solution? Force them to mate with a subpar guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:17 AM
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In the context of my OP. I've been saying for dating and relationships. They can get everything they want by paying for it. Hell they can even sperm bank invito and carry their own baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:16 AM
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BASED
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:13 AM
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Hence why I think we are heading to a Brave New World
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:12 AM
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Yeah exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:12 AM
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You don't need to MARRY the man. Lol are you even reading what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:12 AM
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When did I say that? Before modern times you had to marry a man you didn't like (arranged marriage) in order to survive. All I'm saying is now it's a luxury and hence why RP guys should just get over it instead of shaming women. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:10 AM
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And the next app will be written by AI. Again, you don't need to marry a man to martial his services. You can work service economy cushy job and pay a man to come fix your leak. And you can get him give you free dinner and drinks just for a chance to sniff youre pussy if you're a woman. Techno capital has all but obsoleted the need to marry a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:09 AM
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Incel? Lol what
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:04 AM
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Why give them what they want? Why did men allow feminism if it's so detrimental to society? I pose this as devils advocate. I think most of this is just a natural progression of techno capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:03 AM
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Yeah men see what is happening and all they do is continue watching the porn and supporting the industrial society that seems to be making them obsolete. Men see how they can't raise a family on one income, and they do nothing. So yes maybe this is our fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:02 AM
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BASED!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:59 AM
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Maybe that's a good thing? As automation takes away jobs we will have less people fighting in streets over the limited income opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:59 AM
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You need men sure but you don't need to marry the men. You can buy any service from a man. That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:58 AM
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You don't need to be married to the man when you can pay him to do his work and leave. And if he decides to not leave another man paid by taxes will make that man leave. We need men in the interim. But autonomous drones and AI weapons will make police and military almost useless. Give it 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:57 AM
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Men also play that game with that codependent Marc "nice guy" stuff. It's super prevalent in the RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:54 AM
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There are plenty of relationships dynamics you can have as human. Men if they don't give women what they want why should a women give a man what he wants? It's equivalent exchange baby! I'm not advocating for it, it seems like a natural progression that men have all but allowed. Men have sat by the sidelines and allowed néolibéralism and technology to "rot" the society. Even after 2020, no one has rebelled against the system that creates more inequality everyday. So while I don't hope it, it see…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:53 AM
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Lol yeah crazy but I think stuff like that too. I'm like "these women are smart, how do they not see the contradiction in their behavior?". I think it's probably more subconscious and a natural phenomenon. Maybe this is all hardwired into our DNA in order further filter out undesirable traits in the gene pool. Even in a world after many rounds of natural selection, the nature of women is just another way of furthering the "progress" of the species. But yeah it's fun to think about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:47 AM
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Police soon to be replaced by AI weapons and drones. The gun is a great equalizer. Trucks will soon be automated. Most of the heavy lifting is done with tools that either man or woman can use. Physical strength is only important in a pre-modern society. Automation is coming. That's why we see women increasingly realizing they don't need to MARRY a man to survive. They can use their capital from the service economy to martial any physical resources. Same way Wall Street Finance Bros use their mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:42 AM
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Brave New World we are heading in that direction
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:34 AM
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If social media brainwashing people isn't a hint that we are heading in that direction, I dont know what will.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:34 AM
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Hmm interesting take. There is always that human emotion and survival hardwiring that is the undercurrent of these conversations. If women were fully honest maybe they are afraid of what they would be encouraging men to do I've also been trying around in my head that all this "women say one thing but do another" is just one big shit test at a societal level to weed out the submissive followers and men who don't understand women. Maybe that's also why women aren't brutally honest in these discuss…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:32 AM
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Single women all over the place. All alive and well. Police and technology have made the physical utility of men almost useless (guns, birth control, Amazon delivery, automation etc). Maybe if the nukes go off we'll see a return to traditional dynamics but I wouldn't count on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:25 AM
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BASED! Yeah I find myself coming to that conclusion as well. It's resentment and bitterness. They will never know what it's like to be burdened with meaningless sex. I think because sex for men is super casual, for women it's pretty scarring for them to sleep with someone who isn't committed to them. You think all that RP knowledge would help them understand that, but instead they use it to get mad at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:23 AM
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Let's take this a little further...why did men allow the society become one in which men are generally an option? Maybe it is valid to think men are not living up to their duty? The fact that women have to work is a product of the society and men allowing the situation to deteriorate this much. So maybe they have a right to complain about men since men are not fulfilling their duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:19 AM
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But if she settles for the beta will she be happy? Just like the dude who settles for a woman he thinks is ugly. I mean wouldn't that just be a recipe for disaster and resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:03 AM
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So jealousy. These men are jealous of these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:00 AM
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Lots of bitter guys in RP who will make fun of a girl that can't "lockdown Chad" or make fun of older single moms who want to date as if they committed a heinous crime. I'm talking about the RP guys and content creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:59 AM
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What exactly are they doing though that men don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:57 AM
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Bingo. That's what I was looking for. I think if women were honest maybe the RP wouldn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:54 AM
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Why do men even care if they don't want them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:51 AM
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Give Elon 20 years and we'll all have an instant dopamine fix via Neuralink chips. Would you leave the matrix if it was indistinguishable from IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:50 AM
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Most RPere are losers. I'm just gonna say it. They are outside of the "matrix" and many are suffering with depression if we're being honest. They only think and philosophize about this stuff because they are lonely AF and mad their fathers didn't teach them how to date women, thus they feel lied to and mad at the world. Most these dudes should just stick with porn and be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:49 AM
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Ironically Andrew Tate does actually point out the empty hedonism behind having multiple women. It's something you do for a while and get out of your system as it's usually a lot of work to deal with different women (unless you're retired). I think a more reasonable position for the RP is non-commitment. Esp in our hookup generation, marriage is all but outdated for most people. Most do it out of some sense of holding on to the past. Even women if they are being honest just want the feeling of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:45 AM
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Sure what's wrong with that? You're gonna be married to this person hopefully they are someone you like to look at everyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:40 AM
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I've never seen a homeless woman. If marriage is just a practical contract then these men should be ok with infidelity as long as they both are paying the bills? If a woman doesn't want a man making less than X is that a bad thing? Esp ismf she's broke why does she need another broke person. If anything a broke guy is another liability. Say he loses his job, now she has to support him as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:39 AM
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General sexual dynamics. Crude summary without telling you to read the rational male is women want dominance and confidence and safety. Men want submission and someone who is pleasant. Pregnancy is a risk for women so they are generally more selective about the men they want so they practice some degree of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:34 AM
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Yes that's my exact point. ESP your last paragraph. Women literally don't need men, so it's a luxury. I think what we are seeing is a post-marriage society. We can almost create children without men and women even mating. Brave New World indeed. The market will probably solve men's sexual desires with meta verse AI girlfriend/boyfriend experiences. I don't think we can solve this issue. Maybe it's not an issue, maybe this is progress towards a trans or post-human future...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:32 AM
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Yep sex is one helluva drug. I'd say for most men a VR porn metaverse will be a good substitute. AI companions etc will be the answer to subdue these types of men. Technology is replacing the utility of most men and thus that's why we see an inflation of dating standards. So why not use tech to solve these men's issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:26 AM
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Why shamed? Why not just let them make their choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:23 AM
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BASED We'll said
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:22 AM
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I think both are valid. Anyone can dream. If they "die alone" that's on them if they don't figure out how to obtain their partner. The way some RP guys talk about it, it's like a "pick me instead because Chad won't settle for you" attitude. I think it might be those dumb Disney movies about the geek who wins over the cheerleader.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:22 AM
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How do they treat 80% like shit? And do women need commitment in our technological society? Between male friends and family and police/military she's got everything she needs right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:19 AM
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I get that. I think it's the whining part and the contradictions in their dating behavior that rubs some men the wrong way. The whole "there are no good guys" out there. Though I'd argue guys misinterpret what they mean by "good guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:17 AM
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True. Guys frustrate me. Technology has replaced the need for men in 2022. It's a transition phase. Women also probably need to unlearn the old dynamics (ie start approaching men, open doors, chivalry). RP guys seem to mad at the contradiction of the modern woman who still wants equal treatment but also want the traditional treatment, and generally aren't ok with stay at home husbands. It will probably take another 20 years to shift perspective. The millennials are the lost generation in that wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:14 AM
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Those are the loud minority. Reddit and social media generally select for the most outrageous content. The people who actually live out RP are not online. They are too busy IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:10 AM
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Humans aren't THAT nuanced. We all need to breath and eat, and we all mostly want connection with people. TRP is a broad generalization that cover most people's behavior in dating. I mean you seem to be generalizing about how different people are and dismissive of patterns we see in many people. Most people will argue that 2 parent households are usually a good thing. I mean it's ironic you even posted this. If you don't believe in pills or what people on Reddit think why even be in this forum? …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:08 AM
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That's a little harsh. There a re alors of guys in there dealing with depression and the nice guy stuff is low self esteem. We gotta be more compassionate about that part. Its mainly a bunch of guys trying to unlearn nice guy behavior. Let's not shit on them. That's not the solution
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:00 AM
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hout a partner and the male could just be there. I think in 2022 women have been products of these types of households and have dealt with giving and giving and not I hear that but to be fair from the RP perspective there are many women who when you become more emotional or fall into the stay-at-home dad role, its gets thrown in your face for not being a "real man". I think we all know women who say they like men one way, but then disrespect you or belittle you for being too soft. And then these…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:18 AM
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Yeah I predict most men will succumb to porn or meta verse escapism and virtual GFs like in BladeRunner 2049 The future is post-human. As the algorithms get better at manipulating emotions for profit, human relations are all but an externality
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:51 AM
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Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:43 AM
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Mob Psycho 99 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:47 AM
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A sacrifice for freedom. Both men and women now free from the obligation of procreation. That is the ultimate destination of technological progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:32 AM
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I would say that "want" is more of a "need" for women. Esp from the responses I've gotten. I expect more women to agree with the original post, but I'm seeing more women say they "really really want" a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:26 AM
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As a man I will 100000000% cosign this. Guys forget who takes the real risks in sexual encounters. Now I pose to you what do you need a man for? Why even settle for one when you can just have open relationships with many men? Why just one when women don't need men in 2022? Y'all ladies got everything you need for a happy, free life. Why do y'all deal with these loser guys at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:23 AM
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It seems to be a relic of the past and social conditioning that is hard to break. I wonder what next generation will be like without religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:18 AM
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Hmm I'd assume you'd be more for open-relationships as marriage is mostly a patriarchal construct of the past. But from what you described it sounds like the reasonable decision. There is something intangible about men that the more radical feminists seem to argue doesn't exist and can be replaced by technology etc. The whole "I don't need a man" movement I would say is a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:13 AM
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Those types of women are control freaks. They want what they want and think they can "change you". The worst type of woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:03 AM
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So a combination of practicality of focusing on one person and finding someone who is pretty good all around and developing a strong enough bond and experiences. Damn how did y'all find each other I want someone like that that I can rely on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:52 AM
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I've seen a lot of affairs start because relationship "lost it's sparks and was boring" and coworker sparked something in them. Lots of people I'd say are better suited for polyamory
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:49 AM
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Now I'm super curious what moral framework are you working from that makes you believe marriage is logical? What stops you from fantasizing about other men? Why limit yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:42 AM
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So many women are in denial about this. I posed these questions to see how women would rationalize it. I've actually seen women here mostly saying they need men surprisingly. It seems there is something intangible about a man that they want badly (I'd say it's basically a need). So hopefully these women wisen up and realize it. I've seen so many women throw away husbands and later regret it. Men deserve respect and in 2022 it's at an all time low. I laugh at the contradiction. They need men for …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:40 AM
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Sounds like a healthy relationship. Too many women do the "grass is greener" BS and throw away a good thing because it's boring. Remember what you wrote here in the boring times.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:35 AM
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Why do women want marriage? What do they need men for in 2022?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:32 AM
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Monogamy needs women who aren't promiscuous. The past is a good indicator of future behavior. Promiscuity is more in line with polyamory than it is with monogamy. Sexual attraction is impulsive thus impulse control is important for men who want to commit to 1 woman forever, esp if you know the woman has an easy time getting sex and can do so on a whim if she wants. This is why monogamy doesn't work in 2022. There is a reason why we had rules on sexual promiscuity. It's very destabilizing when yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:30 AM
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It's semantics. Someone who doesn't speak English that much would probably say a good looking man is pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:26 AM
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I feel like most of these types are super religious/conservative. It seems to be that the only hope for guys who want a dutiful wife who only desires them in 2022 is to go back to church.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:23 AM
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I wonder why women argue for making men less masculine though. It just doesn't make sense they want men badly but act like they don't need them. So then I ask why do they even want them? You answered it for me though. It's an internal contradiction most women don't examine closely in 2022.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:21 AM
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Sad but alive and earning money. They can reproduce via sperm bank and select for genes they want in their children. Mediocre guys meanwhile need to escape to VR Metaverse porn. Sad sure but there's an abundance of legal vices to make the pain go away for these ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:18 AM
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We'll see. I ultimately see technology replacing most of us. Birth rate will continue to collapse but AI and robotics will pick up the slack, this this social norm will become more accepted. The cancellation of people striving for traditional families is gonna drive society in that direction. Women are becoming more non traditional and technology is supporting these choices (sperm banks, surrogates etc). So these women will be able to reproduce anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:15 AM
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A lot of women act like they need it though. Like I see many videos of women in their 40s talking about how they wish they had a man in their life and show sad they are. And I'm like "why"? You got everything you need. It seems like women are holding on to dynamics of a different time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:07 AM
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Interesting idea. But what use is the average man to a woman in 2022? I still don't see it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:03 AM
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Most men don't make enough money, aren't that charismatic, aren't that good in bed (hence the orgasm deficit). It makes me wonder why women still chase exclusive relationships knowing all this. I think women look for a total package in men. Hence the "men need to do better" and "I don't need no man" sentiment from a large population of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:59 AM
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Yeah I agree with most of this. But the feminists would argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:56 AM
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So women do need men. Women and men have natural roles in a relationship or nah?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:29 AM
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So men aren't completely trash? I've just heard so much nonsense from the feminist I had to pose this question to see how true it is with women. Men and women have natural roles and the responses to my question prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:28 AM
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I'm heterosexual. I'm actually kind of asking this tounge in cheek as devil's advocate. I see so many women in 2022 say "they don't need no man". So I'm pushing the boundaries of this line of thinking to see how strong that idea is with women. From the responses it seem many women do admit they need men. Hopefully we will begin to see some more respect towards men. I do believe women need men for something intangible. And it is that which makes us human. It's worth preservation but I see technol…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:24 AM
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Seems like you found a keeper. Don't do like these modern women who fall for "the grass is greener" BS. Love that man and hold on to him. I'm happy to read comments like this. I still think you are exception to the rule and most women would be better served getting rid of the fantasy of prince charming and just get on with life because they now have the ability to for the first time in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:18 AM
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What do the other women do when these awesome guys run out? See where I'm going?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:15 AM
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Distance makes the heart grow fonder. Don't you get bored of the same person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:14 AM
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Soon to be automated though. AI weapons, drones and nukes all but ensure the security of the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:13 AM
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BASED so we're in a transition phase basically. We have innovated away the utility of most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:12 AM
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Preach! Men are quite literally useless in this society. That's why we see all these incels and black pill guys popping up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:09 AM
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I wonder why more women don't choose to. Between all the bad things men do you'd think they'd have already given up on men. Most (western) men can't fight, are addicted to video games and or porn, don't enjoy same things women do, don't understand the female psyche, don't know how to pleasure a woman on and on. We hear the complaints about how subpar most men are. What is then is the utility of man to a woman in 2022?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:06 AM
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How common is that type of healthy relationship though? That's like out of a Hallmark movie. Most couples argue and get jealous. Most people eventually have their eyes wander via emotional or physical infidelity. When you don't need a man, why even date men? Unless you concede it's just for the fleeting feelings, in that case casual open relationships also provide that. Most men are pretty bad at romance these days, let's be honest. Between RP and incel and black pill there aren't enough Cassano…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:02 AM
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Right on. I love comments like this. You might have just changed my view on this. I'd still argue most men are falling behind women and their utility in our service economy is dwindling. But there is an intangible nature about men, something that I believe a lot of modern society is trying to socialize out of men. It's good to know men still have some value (if minor) to add to women. I'm still wondering if that value is big enough to settle for just one man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:57 AM
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Isn't the desire for "wife" title just socialized and part of the patriarchy? Shouldn't we strive to end that dependence on men for meaning? You can literally have children without a husband. And women are great parents. I'm still wondering why y'all even deal with men despite the heartbreak and the loser incels. Most men are broke, don't know how to romance a woman etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:51 AM
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I could argue the less time you spend with your partner, the more time you have to miss them. Why do most people still cheat then? Most people might be better in open relationship don't you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:48 AM
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So why do we hear women say "they don't need men"? From the outside as a man I'd agree most women can get the utility of a man from tech, government, and family/friends. Also Ive heard that "gender is just a construct" so why do women desire male attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:46 AM
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Eventually you meet someone who is cooler than your partner. Why settle? Why limit yourself. You can have it all if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:40 AM
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Romantic partners see to come and go more than family and close friends. More fighting, more drama. I think casual sex + some close friends can replace those feelings for "romance". You can shack up with friends and family and have a kid on your own. Why do y'all put up with men at all? I'm still confused. Ladies you have everything you need to live fulfilling lives. Tinder and Bumble guarantees and endless supply of men for sex. And you can make a rotation of them. Different looks, different st…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:38 AM
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What is male energy? What is it about a man you can't get from your GFs or sisters?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:33 AM
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No not at all. I'm in my 30s and I'm convinced of the same thing. I've realized in my life my platonic friends were always there for me and cared for me no matter who I was dating. It seems like sexual relationship always fizzle out, so why do women strive for them when they can get it all from different people and technology. Esp with sperm banks you can have your own kid and shack up with your closest girlfriends and raise the kid. It seems like we like marriage like we like Football in Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:32 AM
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Your friends and family are a relationship of love and care. Yeah I realize it's not rational but you still ain't changed my view on this. It seems like self imposed misery. If women just walked away from the idea of marriage I think they might be happier. I think women are socialized to believe that they need a man to fulfill the role of a husband. I would disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:28 AM
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It's fleeting for me and it seems with all the infidelity that's very common. I just wonder why women even deal with men at all given that most of the utility of a man has been obsoleted by laws and tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:25 AM
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But why exclusively with your husband? Why not with other men as well and other women? I just wonder as a man why women even put up with men in 2022. Most women are more educated, higher earning, better at conversation etc. What do you need from your husband that you can't get somewhere else?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:24 AM
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I'd say RP guys at least are open to challenging the popular narrative. They are susceptible to scams though, esp those who are looking for an easy fix to dating woes. But I'd argue the opposite. RP guys are more skeptical of Norma and thus less susceptible to group think. Not impervious to group think though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:10 AM
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That's why women cheat on the men they "settled for". It's very common. Marriage is an old idea for a new world in which women don't need men. And if we are being honest most women are probably happier with their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:58 AM
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We are in a non-monogamous world. All the structures used to protect monogamy have been thrown out. Hence you have people with "platonic" opposite sex friends, emotional and sexual infidelity. It all just screams at me that we are basically pretending we are something we aren't as human beings. The OP I guess is pointing out the absurdity of the situation and wondering why open relationship isn't universal as it allows for more love to spread throughout the society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:56 AM
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Because it's reductive and I assume that seeing your fellow human as someone who is only worthy of your sexual desire is insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:51 AM
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Hence sex is never casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:48 AM
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Some me become monogamous to get at least regular sex. Women choose monogamy so they know that they don't have to share their men. We are in a polyamorous society trying to hold on to Judeo-Christian beliefs of monogamy. It's a contradiction most people try to ignore and then wonder why they feel miserable in relationships. Most people would be happy in polyamory. Trying to keep a loved one from expressing love to another person is selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:46 AM
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Basically monogamy is something we need to unlearn as it's inconsistent with human behavior. Most people get bored of each other. And thank to technology casual sex can now be done safely. Monogamy is a tradcon LARP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:40 AM
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Eating a meal by itself isn't the problem, it's what happens after the meal. OP would be fine with eating a meal if that all that's happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:34 AM
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What if her ex starts coming around and wants to be just friends? I'm guessing you trust her fully and wouldn't stop her from just hanging out with him without you there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:32 AM
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So basically casual sex is a subtle way of insulting each other. Then why do people catch feelings after casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:27 AM
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A woman"hotness" can be evaluated in the present and doesn't change when the man goes to work, where as a woman's impulse control is something he has to worry about when she is away from him. That's why men like women who have self control and only have sex in relationships, esp if she made him wait to be in a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:20 AM
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Super Based! Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:17 AM
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Technological Slavery. We are being atomized by technocapital. We are in a defacto polyamorous society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:14 AM
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BASED
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:13 AM
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BASED AF!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:12 AM
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Basically sex is trivial. It's like Football, its largely irrelevant to the survival of the species but we pretend it's important because...reasons. @OP I get it. humans are irrational let's leave it at that. We are holding on to the ideals of monogamy when defacto people fantasize, cheat and flirt with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:11 AM
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BASED
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:07 AM
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But in our world and technology (sequencing, in-vitro /surrogates) you can ensure paternity. So what exactly is the problem? The utility of monogamy has been obsolete for decades now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:06 AM
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Where is the contradiction? Men love casual sex (see porn addiction). Men by and large don't want to get married. Most relationships that go years without marriage is because the man is getting everything he wants. Women are the ones who push for marriage usually (biological clock). It would be a contradiction if men really wanted to be with just one woman forever. Most men if given the choice would opt for multiple women. If a man is going to give up promiscuity he expects his wife to demonstra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:03 AM
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You would be less valuable for monogamous serious relationship. Not less valuable as a person. We all have equal value as human beings, but for most guys a woman who has slept around a lot is heuristic for sorting out "impulse" control because women generally are the gatekeepers of sex (as seen in porn, dating app behavior who does the rejecting in dating, etc). I think modern sexual behavior is more inline with polyamory than it is with monogamy. Women are generally having more sexual partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:56 PM
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I get you OP. Humans are illogical creatures. There is your answer. All these people pretending to be purely rational are just coping. Don't sweat it OP it's very rare for people to be introspective enough to see the fallacy in their beliefs. They call people like us "aut...istic" because we really think deeply about these things. It is what is let them be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:46 PM
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It's like anything that isn't scarce, it loses value if it is too abundant and isn't necessary for survival. For men demand is high and supply is lower than demand, thus it's very valuable to men. And for women it's the inverse. Sex for women is very risky just due the biological dynamics. Hence why they are pickier. Hell if you had a sister or daughter you wouldn't want them to just sleep with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:08 AM
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Men keep voting for and supporting corporations that actively lobby against the collective. I always scratch my head when I see people like Nancy Pelosi continuously win. Or Biden. Men have largely becoming apathetic and participation in local politics is so low. I see crime and homelessness and not much people volunteering in their spare time. There is so much men could be doing outside of videogames and mindless entertainment. I do these things in my spare time now. But we need more men to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:27 PM
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All the energy you're putting into this is misplaced. You cannot logic away women's preferences. The néolibéral system is the problem. Women don't need men to survive and thrive, thus they can be pickier. It's that cut and dry. Until you address the incentive layer you won't see any progress anywhere else. As men we must unite to create a world in which women feel safe depending on a man. Right now a man provides no utility (hell most guys can't/won't start a fight even their woman was threatene…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:19 PM
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The problem is neoliberalism, not the women. The problems in dating are downstream of that. As long as men are too weak to change the system, women will realize they don't need men. We need to attack the system first
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:06 PM
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Here is an idea, use her to hook you up with her friends friends. Social circle dating is a strategy. She only friend zoned you if she's not feeling it. It could be your style, personality etc. But trust me girls have crushes on their friends/coworkers. The problem with friend zone is "oneitis". So it's not about avoiding the friend zone, because you can't do anything about that. It's about realizing that being her friend is step 1 in a long journey. She may develop feelings later or you can hel…
/r/seduction03/10/22 08:15 AM
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Yeah many RP guys forget how bad it is for unattractive women, though most men find most women attractive enough. Esp the ones who don't get laid often.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:10 AM
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Most of what you learn in school you forget anyways. It's mostly about social calibration/daycare for working parents. Most of what you learn you end up relearning in high school, college and even in some graduate school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 09:44 AM
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It doesn't add up. Hence all the women complaining about "where are all the GOOD men?" I'd say this is all due to social media. Ugly people were able to date back in the day because their social skills were much better back then and they could only compare themselves to their immediate neighbors. Now they can compare guys to everyone in a 20 mi radius. And with limited time and mental energy it's no wonder why most men "feel" ugly when in reality they are presentable enough to date if they met s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:20 AM
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Well said. Everyone could do with some work at communicating their personality effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:59 PM
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​ When everyone is overstimulated with regards to appearance, having a personality that is appealing (not necessarily universally, just to a person you're compatible with) will allow you to stand out in a unique way. What does that mean "a personality"? Everyone has a personality. Its a feature of being human. I feel this also is just going to the OP's point about oversocialization which has inflated what it means to be an "interesting" person. On apps like IG its all about flexing about your li…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:34 AM
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’s choosing to not interact with people do they not have themselves to blame for developing such a warped sense of reality? I implore you to listen to discussions about addictive algorithms. Its literally hacking the psychology of young children, and its also why tech executives make sure their kids don't use these technologies until they are adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:25 AM
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So if I edit to use word "crutch" that will be better?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:50 PM
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Huh? How is that different from what OP asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:01 PM
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This is facts. It's a cope that the "nice guys" use to communicate that women should be with them. Men need to improve themselves if they want to earn the right to be with a woman. In the distant past high status men had multiple wives because the "unattractive men" we're not sufficient. Men if you're unattractive, change it or accept your fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:08 AM
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Girls ain't everything. And it won't fix the big issue. Fix that shit first as that is the core. Women can smell the insecurity and self loathing on a man. Any girl he "seduces" will do it out of pity.
/r/seduction20/07/22 11:29 PM
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The problem comes with lying about it. It's unattractive to be so fearful that you lie about being promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:42 AM
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If you had a choice would you consider artificial womb to give birth? Liberate women from burden of pregnancy (kind of like in Brave New World).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:40 AM
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Drop pick up. Join a men's group, get therapy or take up meditation to deal with the depression. There is more to life than an orgasm
/r/seduction20/07/22 10:18 AM
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Yeah and they also don't respect you if you feel like a victim. If anything that mindset is a turnoff
/r/seduction20/07/22 10:14 AM
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It's a spectrum. Between passive and aggressive, women want the guy with some charisma, some aggression. I think you get my point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:14 AM
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Semantics. Basic idea is to not take BS and stand up for yourself like a man. Between both extremes women want men generally leaning more towards aggressive and disagreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:41 AM
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It's like group counselling, men get together and talk about their issues and support each other.
/r/seduction19/07/22 01:20 AM
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You say that but women generally respond better to the more aggressive types and will test you as man if you are not firm with boundaries. Nobody wants a yes man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:13 AM
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You probably shouldn't be dating then. Why do you want to date if you don't want friends? Join a men's group, cheaper and way better than therapy IMO.
/r/seduction17/07/22 07:32 PM
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Meeting women is like making friends. You have to talk to people. It will be weird for a woman if the only person you talk to is her. Maybe try befriending women and have them help you out? Find some women that share same interests and ask them to wingman for you. But if you have no friends you should probably fix that. In next few years with the economic order readjusting, you're gonna want some friends. Go meet your neighbor and introduce yourself. Get to know your grocery clerk, your mailman,…
/r/seduction17/07/22 07:29 PM
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They soon discover that their husbands weren't that bad. Grass isn't greener most of the time as most people are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:37 PM
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If you want the mother of your child to be in her 50's sure. For most average women this beyond inadvisable bordering on criminal advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:35 PM
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I'd say it becomes more common when you start working/mingling with older people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:46 AM
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I think people are waking up as we speak and these internet convos are the beginning. These internet convos started in the manosphere/PUA world and have now become a healthy open discussion between both genders. I'm even seeing this shift back to celebrating traditional roles among some women. It's quite entertaining if I say so myself. I think we will see more people begin to shed the bad overcorrections we saw in modern times towards liberation, but will it happen fast enough? In regards to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:49 AM
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I meant like 3-15 year difference. A freshman vs a senior who just got a car and job and is stable and mature is much better. 20 with a 27 year old is better match than 2 broke 20 year olds. But yeah an old guy dating a 20s is only good as sugar daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:34 AM
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Ive realized no choice will be perfect, but that a choice needs to be made. It feels like modern society will result in some sort of collapse in child rearing as adults keep trying to "find themselves" in their mid-30s. Ive heard 35 year olds deep in their careers tell me they aren't ready for children because they can only afford a 2 bedroom Condo in an expensive city. SMH. Hopefully next generation is much wiser and I believe these internet conversations are helping to wake up people to this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:59 AM
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Best post on this thread!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:43 AM
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Disagree. And Hollywood casting is a terribly biased example at the whims of some older producers and executives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:40 AM
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So why are you on this thread? It's kind of ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:38 AM
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I'd reckon most women want a family and children that they carry to term. We haven't reached that post-human utopia yet where we create life in bioreactors yet. Until that point women will always find some psychological need to reproduce. I'll concede a lot of men enjoy the revenge fantasy of watching older women struggle. I see it as a sign of social collapse that people aren't coming together to find a solution, but are instead tearing each other apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:36 AM
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Wall doesn't exist for casual sex, but for traditional family building in general it exists. Until we create artificial wombs like in brave new World, fertility will always be a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:25 AM
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How is it grandparents got married in their 20's but modern adults still as confused as teenager? Late-capitalism at it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:23 AM
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Exactly. I think RP guys forget to add "character" to the list of things. Some say women want money (finance, status), muscles (looks), game (tactics and social skills), and frame. "Frame" in that sense is kind of like character and integrity. Women will over look 1 or 2 of these traits depending on how the man performs in other categories. But there is a reason why men will marry younger and women generally want to marry older men. Young men usually lack most of the traits needed for a woman to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:20 AM
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The attractive guys have a rotation of women, hence the problem we see in modern day of a lack of commitment from guys many women find attractive. So more women "settle" to escape the FWB zone with a guy women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:14 AM
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Most women date older. Most women marry older. Everything women want in a man gets better with age and experience. Hell older men will be less scared to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:11 AM
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The wall is primarily about fertility and relationship compatibility. As women get older they become less agreeable (same with men) and less fertile after about 35. The problem becomes which sex is more tolerant of disagreeable traits. Men generally want women to be pleasent. Women want men to be aggressive and disagreeable because it makes them feel assures the man will be able to protect her. So the Wall is at 35-40 depending on how you take care of your fertility. Men that you want will have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:07 AM
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Yeah Id say 40 is the wall. 30 is like "now it's time to get my dating life figured out".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:02 AM
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True. The types of people who never married by 40 or are divorced are not first choice for a reason (either very self-centered, or antisocial, or jaded from divorce). Younger people generally are more pleasant to be around so a man with options will generally pick younger if he can. Older woman should do the same as MILF/cougar is a fantasy for young men, but can you respect a younger guy and allow him to lead you in a way that will keep you satisfied? Probably not. That's why the Wall is a thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:00 AM
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This is in regards to marriage most likely. Obviously men will sleep with almost anyone. The question is about marriage and family. At 35 that becomes harder, esp for most men who want children it will make sense to mate with a younger women, no matter how pleasant the older woman is. Until we get artificial wombs and can liberate women from pregnancy in a post-humanist utopia, age will a factor in marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:56 PM
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In relation to the "police man" comment: That's why women fantasize about men in uniform. It is very masculine to protect and provide. It's the reason the millionaires wife will bang the bodyguard or the gardener doing manual labor. There something very instinctual about men who are physically fit. Plus the psychological benefits of being in shape brings out the confidence necessary to talk to women. Not sure I've ever met a shy person in great shape. Every athlete I've ever met was appeared ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:26 AM
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To be fair if you haven't experienced something you can't really expect much. I've met woman who said they never had an orgasm before and didn't think that was possible for their body. It's not unreasonable to believe that virgins would be less desensitized to what makes great sex as they are starting from zero. Granted, people as a general rule fall for the grass is greener idea and virgins will also assume there is better sex out there, just like sexually active people. It's just that you'd ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:37 AM
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Also super agree about judging women. It's not fair for us to hold it against them for reacting to biological triggers. I think what happens in RP community is many men assume women are logical enough to realize the contradiction of the "just be yourself bro" advice, yet the women still give that advice. It makes guys who previously believed in men and women being the same think that "these women are either not logical or are being manipulative" which starts the resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:16 AM
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Facts. The Money thing is overrated! It's only useful if you want to get married. Fitness and Social Skills and Grooming go way farther than money ever will.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:11 AM
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What exactly is "normal" then if most people are dysfunctional?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:56 AM
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Same here. I agree with a lot of RP philosophy but then I also disagree with a lot of the interpretations that come off as antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:48 AM
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That's actually well said. I'll admit I disagreed until I saw this post. Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:43 AM
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Most marriages are pretty unhappy. 50% divorce rate...and those are the people who are at their wits end. Just imagine how many more are in unhappy marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:41 AM
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It's consistent in my mind. To tell women to ignore their urges and settle down with a man she's not attracted to is just going create a lot of resentment that will lead to cheating or at the very least some degree of fantasizing about other men. That would also be an unfavorable situation for society (lots of broken homes and unhappy marriages). But there are way too many single men who are resentful of the current dating situation. I don't have much in terms of solutions. I think porn, junk fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:58 AM
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As a man I 100% salute you. These dude don't realize you can't negotiate desire. They hate on you for biological urges. It's fairly insane. But the Vikings were a bunch of unmarried men who were promised harems in Valhalla, so I'd be careful of some of these guys. There is something stabilizing about having men married and invested in the future of the country. I don't know what the solution is but it's quite scary how many men are struggling with dating these days
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:40 AM
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It's a slippery slope into narcissism, esp for guys who are clueless. I've seen so many men (myself included) go down this dark road where self improvement becomes nihilistic self-obsession. I'm still trying to fight those demons everyday
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:30 AM
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Best answer! So true. The guys who are good at both sex/romance and are commitment types are rare. Most men fall into the category of being too afraid to actually engage with women sexually (I blame the fathers for not teaching them game, so now they become prey too the PUAs and Black Pill nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:25 AM
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You're in shape, disciplined, and have seen worse shit than a damn female. Ain't no way you have the same issues these incel guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:22 PM
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It's arbitrary. Imagine when you convert to metric system. The difference between 6 feet and 5'9 is not even 5%. It's overrated and only works as a meme in American culture. As long as you are taller than her it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:19 PM
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Age is good for men. It make you seem wiser, more mature. Bald is better than long unkempt hair if looking at both extremes. At least bald implies a degree of hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:42 PM
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Y'all really think women really get stuck on looks. That's like 1/10 of the formula. Pheromones are probably a stronger pull than looks. Shaving is a sign of hygiene which is very important for women. It's better to be shaven than to have untrimmed hair. Hell most women dislike long hair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:40 PM
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Whatever you say lol. If we ask 100 women I think we know what the answer will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:38 PM
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She fucks the beta while fantasizing about the alpha. Maintain dominance with your women and you can't go wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:36 PM
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Beta bux Alpha fux. The beta alpha thing is just a heuristic. Dominant, confident and assertive people generally get what they want out of life (including sex). Passive weak men generally get the leftovers. And women generally want a loyal assertive, confident man to lead the family. It's a more comfortable, less stressful position for a woman. Betas make women uncomfortable to the point that a more dominant person will come into her life. This is why women who cheat will do so with their boss o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:34 PM
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At 30 I'd say no more than 10 for a semi conservative woman. I say that because the implication is that she had bad judgement, bad relationship skills, very promiscuous, or all 3. Sex for most women is naturally a very intimate act. That's why sex crimes are generally regarded as a very serious violation. You are risking pregnancy and disease. So someone who is just having sex very casually probably has some inner work to do before committing to one person. Unless you like open relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:29 PM
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Kill the fear, kill the passivity. The rest is fine. But you are useless as a mate if you are always scared or passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:25 PM
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You can unlearn some behaviors sure but you are who you are. Just be a mature adult and that will take care of most of it. If you feel too feminine that's probably your father's fault. Passivity is not sexy to most women. But you don't need most women (or any really), you just need one. If you want to maximize your chances yes kill the feminine traits as much as possible without faking it. This will take years and probably some therapy and hanging out with more masculine men. But like any behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:23 PM
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Intangible. Probably linked to MHC and pheromones and how well you both connect. There isn't really a science to it beside having good social skills and being not afraid to flirt. Fear is for sure the quickest way to kill spark though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:14 PM
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Do whatever you are comfortable with. Generally they are a bad idea unless it's a business relationship and nothing deeper is created. Humans are made to procreate. Pheromones can make things confusing. But jealousy always creeps in. If you want to avoid the drama just say no to opposite sex friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:13 PM
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Very reasonable. I'm a little more skeptical of same sex friendships. But this makes sense too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:10 PM
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Hygiène is correlated with better health and discipline. Both of these traits are what make for a great father to children. Plus no one wants to be around anyone with bad odor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:07 PM
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End of conversation. This is the winner. But I'll add a little. Feminism is an ideology. It can be unlearned esp if it is toxic and ruining her life. Plus there are degrees of feminism. Most feminists aren't that militant and just want basic freedoms. The loud extremists are probably the ones most people want to stay away from.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:05 PM
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In the time you wrote this you could have approached 2 women. This is just fear. What are you afraid of? She's smaller than you, weaker than you, slower than you and in some cases not even as clever or financially successful as you. If she says no that's her loss. Men in 2022 need to realize their damn worth and stop with the cope. I blame the fathers who raised these weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:02 PM
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It is a man's duty. Women still have a sex drive driven by instincts not reason. As long as this stays true men need to demonstrate some degree of bravery and social intelligence to approach her properly. Logically yes it should be 50/50. But love is instinctual. If you are too afraid to approach her, how can you protect her when she's vulnerable? Esp in 2022 when a woman can provide her own survival needs, you need to step up and prove you can provide some degree of safety and protection. Appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:59 PM
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Or you can shave your head. Some these dude think hair matters that much. It's about the other stuff. Even good looking people get boring to look at after a while. The other intangible stuff is what keeps her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:51 PM
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Sucks to suck. Dog eat dog world out there. These guys complaining about dating have probably never done anything scary in their life. A lot of men would do well to serve in the military to get that weakness out their system
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:48 PM
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Lol Tom Cruise? Bruh stop making excuses. Fit confident guys kill with women. Unless all you do is online dating. Women in person can barely tell the difference between 6' and 5'9. Esp if they stand at under 5'5.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:46 PM
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True. Women have less of a need for men in 2022. But a transhumanist take on this is that we eventually will have VR sex dolls/pron, AI companions and artificial wombs thus making dating and mating all but unnecessary (Brave New World?). If it wasn't for the fertility window women would completely liberated from the pressures to settle down with men that aren't the cream of the crop (looks, romance, finance, physical protection etc). If the increase in para social relationships and decrease in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:43 PM
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One way to think about this is that women have less time to play around if their intent is marriage and children and hence are more prone to be the one who pushes sooner for a committed relationship (assuming she actually likes the man).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:34 PM
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I wouldn't call it damage. Hell those men save a lot of money and have more freedom to travel etc. Relationships are work. Those men should embrace the solitude and join men's groups if they want true brothership.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:16 AM
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Problem is they will resent the men they settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:13 AM
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Amen. You are entitled to dignity and bodily autonomy (in a civilized, harmonious society) but no one owes anyone their sexual attention. I think more men and women need to realize that and move accordingly and let the winners of the sexual market place reproduce the next generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:11 AM
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Would you want to be second choice? I'm not even sure you can say you truly "love" someone if you secretly are lusting for another man/woman. That's why sometimes people say "love" only exists between parent and child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:09 AM
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School is a signal for compliance more than intelligence. Plenty of low IQ people graduate high school. Some of the most intelligent people have committed the greatest crimes and are in prison for it. Many top CEOs and founders never even went to school. I once knew a kid who basically flunked out of high school because he was already working for a fortune 100 tech company.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:06 AM
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If you're in a committed relationship or you are a good man for her she won't ruin it for a shitty experience with a stranger even if he's good looking (most men esp the Chads are terrible in bed because they won't take time to learn her body). Unless she's an idiot in which case she disqualified herself and you can move on to some one with more impulse control. If she's that easy then she's doing me a favor. I think you are underestimating how important companionship is to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:22 PM
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So well said. Damn this is some healthy ass back and forth. I don't usually go on Reddit for it reputation. This type of conversation is long overdue between men and women (not just people in echo chambers). There is a sort of sick pleasure in a revenge fantasy as a guy. It's like you put in effort to learn how to talk to women so that you can then abuse that power to basically never take any of them seriously. You take pleasure in the revenge because of how much rejection you faced when you wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:16 PM
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A lot of those standards go right out the window when you are face to face with a woman. Suddenly she realize the difference between 6'0 and 5'9 ain't that much compared to her standing at 5'4. And the money thing goes out the window if you can "spit game" or get to know her on a deep level. And after getting intimate all of those standards fly out the window if you handling business in the bedroom. So many ways to compensate for that inflation of standards (which is really a woman's way of reje…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:02 PM
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It's unfortunate but not everyone will have progeny in the next generation. Natural selection doing it's thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:54 PM
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he average woman is worth 1,000 approaches? You think she’d make an equivalent effort for The assumption is that if it takes 1000 that must mean you need to work on some type of social skill. If you want to be the type of man she respects you need to lead, which means taking the risk of rejection. This is the burden of being a man. Embrace it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:33 AM
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If you're looking for some relationship where you're her best in every way, why even limit it to those she's had sex with? Why not anyone she's met? Or any celebrity she's had a crush on? Or fictional characters? This is a fair point. I think as long as she stays respectful to her "beta" or the guy she "settled" for then there is probably no problem with her having "alpha widow syndrome" where she secretly still is in love with someone else. Most guys won't have issue with the betabucks syndrome…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:12 AM
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lso underestimate how boring a lot of sex amongst young people can be Also, people usually hook up with people in their proximity. They aren't looking for Henry Cavill looking dudes because they are essentially not to be found or probably in a relationship themselves. Dating apps make the very attractive people on the distribution much more prevalent. He's the best she can do and she knows that. The hope is that he is able to maintain her respect despite her past hookups with more attractive mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:06 AM
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le end up happy all the time. Most sensible men and women understand their market value and act accordingly. It's the outliers that want more that end up frustrated. that assumes most people act rationally. Most people react emotionally in relationships and then look back rationally in retrospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:01 AM
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ue’s right off the bat that she isn’t sexually attracted to you? Because in my experience they are pretty good at faking it for the first couple days/week. it usually comes out after moving in with you. Some dudes new to dating don't spot it then or even have the abundance to kick her out when she reveals her true colors.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:58 AM
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mean the guy is rich, it just means the woman is not physically or sexually attracted to the guy and is only with him for his finances. When you l True he doesn't have to be wealthy. Financial stability is usually all it takes (low six figures in USD is usually enough to trigger BB with a woman over 28 years old). I know a woman from a country where women over 25 are considered "too old" and she basically settled for her beta husband and moved to US with him. Its kind of sad to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:56 AM
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the best screwing for the divorce settlement. Did they expect to hit a home run as rookies? If you have any dating experience though, it's pretty easy to screen out women who a I half agree with this. I think many average women have fallen for the AF guy via online dating. This type of guy (I used to be this kind of person back in college days and knew a guy who was very good at picking up women) have rotations of women, all of which were looking for long term relationships, and none of them got…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:50 AM
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Just because you don’t get married to a partner in a certain timeframe, that means any relationships 28+ are AF/BB? true but for a large majority of women at the age of 28+ they are in a hurry to "settle" down. This dynamic of settling generally means they are looking for the BB situation for stability and building a family. The resentment from men in the BB category is that she secretly desires AF guy and will treat the AF guy with more respect than the BB guy. The AF/BB is more of a cautionary…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:43 AM
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many men were looking to commit to her when they were both young? I'm a Millennial and when I was a young adult, the vast majority of men were not at all looking to settle. It was the women who wanted to settle and then men who wanted to pump and dump. And I'm talking about even the guys we might consider to be losers here. They were openly talking about how men age like fine wine while women age like milk and they w I think thats the blessing of the current discussion and a channel like PrupleP…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:38 AM
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this is an under-appreciated point in the RP community. It's a hard thing to get past (hell I've always somewhat thought like this and refused to be in relationships for a long time for this reason).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:32 AM
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If you have trouble dating, you're not average. You're the bottom of the barrel. Fair point. Many people online are like this, but if you ever travel outside or look at your workplace you will see many very sociable people getting along just fine. But I will push back and say that the declining marriage rate and declining birth rate is a troubling phenomenon. As for the BetaBucks side that I'd have disagree with you on. Women do feel like they are settling with a guy. They may like them and be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:28 AM
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Decreasing the desire for casual sex through shaming it would be equivalent to restricting access. I agree. Its not the apps so much as its the liberalization of casual sex. If OLD worked the way eHarmony markets itself to be then yeah perhaps we'd see more marriages and family building.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:18 AM
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No one is entitled to "youth years" type of sex life. Its supply and demand. The men who have what woman want will be able to enjoy sexual abundance. Those who don't will just have to deal with it. There are people all over the world dealing with a variety of struggles...those men with FOMO over missing out on sexual abundance (a luxury afforded to only certain men for all of history) need to just get over it and enjoy other parts of life. I've had that "hoe" phase myself as a man. Its fun but n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:14 AM
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OLD is not actually the problem with modern dating. You make a good argument there. Liberalization and decoupling dating from marriage and family building is the problem. It is what it is, as men and women we need to figure out how to deal with the current landscape and try to instill different values in the future generations
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:07 AM
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The incentives of OLD companies will be to keep pushing OLD (they want that data and to sell subscriptions and ads). They know what their product is doing to society, but their incentives are not aligned with public health.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:03 AM
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Well done. I usually refer to the paradox of choice, but this explanation is much more satisfying to my mind. Are you a math major or something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:00 AM
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without some added incentives. Meanwhile there were guys known for preferring older fuck buddies, their payment was not having to use a condom and supposedly not being as annoying as women our age (ouch As a man I will 1000% agree with these sentiments. Older women generally make better casual sex partners (they know their bodies more, have better hygiene, are more orgasmic/have less shame surrounding sex). And the idea of being able to unload without a condom/risk pregnancy is very rewarding. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:55 AM
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Even then you have men (not as many but enough) who will still not mind entering a casual relationship with an older woman (even if she looks "bad").
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:51 AM
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I'm only 23, and I've seen several girls I went to highschool/ some college with, that let themselves go badly I think that probably proves yourself. Men are generally attracted to physical features, Women are generally more open to behavioral/survival traits in men (charisma, financial stability, maturity etc). The things that make men attractive take more time to develop. The things that make women more attractive generally fall apart with the aging process (slower metabolism, cellular degener…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:49 AM
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I think that's generally true that guys over 30 will struggle unless they actively work on becoming conventionally attractive (money, muscles, game, frame). When I go to the gym its largely empty and even the people in the gym look overweight. As you get older metabolism slows down, leading to weight gain (esp if you have those bad eating habits of your youth). Women in your 30s will want a man in his 30s more than a man in his 20s, but men are much less picky about age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:39 AM
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I think that's fine. Men are built for hardship and struggle. All pleasure require pain. If it takes 1000 approaches so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:32 AM
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not true in the slightest. An average woman (5/10 if we are thinking about bell curve distribution) can get it to. You gotta be cappin.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:29 AM
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ife men do still approach. Just like I if more of these guys just got out and talked to people they would be fine. Its a prison of the mind that they are stuck in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:27 AM
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That's just a mindset. Most women take social media dating as a joke. Both sides have it bad for different reasons. Men generally have the problem on the front end when trying to start a relationship (short and long term). Women have the problem on the backend trying to get long term relationships. Men deal with lots of rejection early on. Depending on your perspective this is a benefit for men as they don't waste time with women who arent interested. Women deal with rejection later and because …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:24 AM
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rences are silly and preferences are discriminatory by nature. Why do you care so much about men not wanting to sleep with high n count women? I don't see a problem with it on the surface esp in a casual relationship. The problem usually comes down to a variety of factors: Why that person was unable to find a relationship with their previous partners, especially when the number is very high? Why they want to "settle" down now? There is also the suspicion that the woman is "settling" for the "saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:17 AM
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good point. I'd recon they eventually get sick and tired of being sick and tired. From what I've seen, people are starting to put down the apps and socialize (very slowly and reluctantly). I'm surprised to see this much pushback against your perspective on this issue. I think many men think they will be the outlier who stays in shape well past 40 and think they will find a feminine angel under 30. What is more likely is they will be dating the 30+ year olds that they complain about today. They w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:00 AM
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Women are not a physical threat to most men. That's why. Even if she goes crazy what can she really do except cry in a corner
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:27 PM
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Why is it that important to get laid? I mean there is more to life than female validation and sex. MGTOW is probably a better formula. And pron and OF and sex workers/escorts are probably a better substitute if it's just about getting laid. And trust me when I say having a rotation of women doesn't suddenly make your life more meaningful...it's like any addiction or stimulus, it's never enough. And if it's about loneliness, finding a group of men to do activities with seems like a better solutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:25 PM
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Sex drive and pleasure is driven by biological instincts not their logic and reasoning. Trying to negotiate desire from a logical perspective is a waste of time. This is why we are starting to hear arguments for a return to traditional standards /religion as a way to rebuild stable nuclear families.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:13 PM
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Facts I don't want to push children out of my body, or have periods, or be the weaker and smaller sex. Men we need to embrace our gifts and accept our own burdens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:06 PM
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Her larger point is that socially-inept men (this being created largely by social media) are now able to get dates (even if it's less than 5 per year) that would otherwise be disqualified during the cold approach. Nowadays you can pretend to be one person via text and be a completely different person IRL speaking to her face to face. Which is a waste of her time that $4 can't justify. It's better for both of you to get that out of the way with cold approach
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:01 PM
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You're a traditional feminist (ie the good kind) vs the overly sensitive modern variety. Completely agree with this point about inflation forcing women into the work force and your point about gender roles. Suzanne Venker ring a bell? It's interesting watching men argue that women should now start adopting masculine traits. It's mainly approach anxiety and low self-esteem so I wouldn't be too harsh with them on these disagreements. When a boy becomes thirsty enough he will eventually learn how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 08:54 PM
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Remember that as a man you by default bring a lot of value. One of them being courage. And you can display that to her in a way most don't. Most women don't get approached...they usually meet men off dating sites or through soft/warm social situations (friend of friend, coworker etc). By approaching you already are standing out. Now it's time for her to show you why you should keep talking to her. If she's not into what you're into then good time to find someone else who might be interested. Sed…
/r/seduction20/12/21 08:08 AM
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This comment is so good. Yep esp the pretty ones have the most crippling self doubt I've found. Usually the "hotter" they are the less they get approached in a confident chill human way. Women (and people) don't want to be worshipped generally. They want to be heard and understood and cared for in a way that makes them feel like it's not just because something babe was born with. It's like complimenting Lebron on how athletic he was in his prime...minus the pleasantry he might send your way he w…
/r/seduction20/12/21 08:02 AM
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Heres something to think about...there are no leagues. If you provide what she's looking for in a man or relationship then there is nothing to worry about my friend, go find out if shes a good fit for you. You are an anomaly if you have the courage to approach in 2021. Remember that dating is a 2 way street it's not just about trying to impress her. She should be working to impress you to. Ask yourself "why am I so interested in this woman." She's probably no more special than any other woman ou…
/r/seduction20/12/21 07:56 AM
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Not in Seattle but this is a genius idea. I'm gonna try something similar in my area. Thanks for the inspiration!
/r/seduction15/11/21 04:55 AM
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If she cheats on BF to be with you what do you think she will do to you if things go south? There are things more important than sex.
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:27 PM
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Nope keep it shot and simple. No need to try to date her there. If you beat around the bush she will assume you 1.) Don't like her like that or worse 2.) Too scared to risk the rejection and open up and express that you'd like to take her out sometime for a proper date. Women can only feel safe if you show her you aren't scared of her. If you're scared to be straightforward. Read up on some Alan Roger Curie for some help in this area. I think as men we underestimate the power of rejection. I don…
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:21 PM
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Have you ever recorded yourself to evaluate how you're doing? Also with any skill you can overtrain it. Your brain needs time to process so it helps to take some time off and go back if you're in a slump. When I was playing sports I always played with more skill after a break.
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:13 PM
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Hell no. But depends on age. If you're that weight at 30 not so bad. At 20 it's fine but do realize people usually get bigger as they get older and their metabolism slows down so keep it in mind to watch your weight. If you want to keep a guy it's more about your attitude and how you treat and respect him.
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:10 PM
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Dr Funke is that you?
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:07 PM
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If you want a shot of confidence put in your stats in "the female delusion" calculator to realize how valuable you are. I'm betting you're in the top 5 percent of single men if you're in tech. Once you realize your value. Fix your hygiene fix your hygiene fix your hygiene...programmers tend to have bad habits in that area because they work from home. Start working on approaching in day time with simple "Hi I thought you were cute (or I like your dress or fashion or some general comment about why…
/r/seduction26/10/21 12:07 PM
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A simple "let's go grab coffee at x time at x place" or walk in park, etc. Set the date and be a leader. If she's actually interested she's been dreaming of this day to come. So stop beating around the bush and Shia Labeouf "Just Do it!!!"
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:56 AM
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I've yet to try this. Probably best if you're out and bout on a weekend (like at a mall or shopping plaza). I think it can work.
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:53 AM
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I'm actually working on this. It's not a test and it's okay if you score 10/100. The reason why "naturals" do so well is because they love themselves despite whatever she or anyone else says. Check out a YouTuber named Tykwondoe. He talks about a concept "going brain dead" when approaching. Let's do a thought experiment: She says no: it could be 1000 reasons that nothing's to do with you. Or it's because y'all ain't compatible and she's saving you some time. She says yes: I wouldn't even be exci…
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:50 AM
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Treat him like a king. Cook for him. Ask him what clothes he likes to see on you and listen closely and do that. Cuddle up to him. Give him his space to do guys stuff. And generally be his secretary and not a headache. But if he's not into you it will be very obvious. As men we are kind of always thinking about sex. If your presence isn't doing it for him thats a cause for concern (as men love variety of women and the same woman will get boring after a while) and time to start looking for a new …
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:40 AM
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I think you're talking too much over text. Sexual polarity relies on mystery. She needs to miss you and wonder what you are up to. This is how you go from "lover " to "brother" in over months. Just forget about her and do something else. Also you are waaaayyy to invested in someone who isn't as invested. And if this is all sounding like a foreign language then you way want to examine why you feel this woman is more important to you than your dignity
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:31 AM
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"League" is an outdated term. You can land any woman if you know how to make her feel safe in her sexuality. Once you "land the girl" by definition she is in your league. Remember that women are fairly insecure about many things. We may see a pretty woman on the outside but deep down she's probably dealing with traumas or insecurities. You learn to make her feel safe and secure she will almost anything for you.
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:26 AM
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Been there. Check out a guy name Dr. David Tian. And look into positive psychology. Women are the last thing you need. You need to learn to love yourself before you can love anyone else. Sure you might be broke, overweight, unconfident etc. But it's not too late to change those things. Forgive yourself for making the mistakes that lead you to where you are now and start with one step at a time. If you're overweight just try to do 5 mins of exercise and build up, and/or drink more water and eat o…
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:20 AM
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Personally I don't think you need to "try' to make your conversation interesting. The "trying" put you in a frame of trying to impress her, which actually is counter-productive. It's one thing to be a natural with metaphor and poetic language, but if that's not you, the time and effort it takes to try to learn isn't worth it. Women decide if they want to be with/sleep with you in first few moments based on mainly your non-verbal signals (some combo of looks, body language, pheromones/smell, hygi…
/r/seduction26/10/21 11:08 AM
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I think your issue with converting dates probably is using too much of the word "sexy" in Convo. She hasn't earned it yet and they aren't really returning the favor. (but if she's some attention starved housewife maybe that works). I've found better conversation rate with using text to setup a phone call and then a date. Saves more time and you can disqualify people you can't hold a convo with.
/r/seduction26/10/21 10:57 AM
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I agree. I think he's probably talking too much and coming off as too friendly. Strong Eye contact alone should net more numbers. Your formula is pretty flawless.
/r/seduction26/10/21 10:52 AM
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I've heard that it's better to set up date ASAP (even same day) to keep the energy fresh...but if you're busy don't go out of your way. But salute to you. You've inspired me to do something similar very this coming weekend...
/r/seduction26/10/21 10:50 AM
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I actually just posted a reply somewhere that's been helping me actually. I'm not really struggling as much as I used to a year ago. It's just every once in a while a toxic mind virus of a thought enters my head and it's tempting to go down that AWALT mind space. Actually consulting with friends dating is helping a lot more in past year than online dating ever did. But thanks for the reply!
/r/ExRedPill06/08/21 10:49 AM
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I think you misunderstood. I think giving men who are lost a starting point will help. Having been around men like this simply telling the "go out there and get em tiger" is just gonna send them back to an ideology that gives them some success. A lot of these guys come here when things go to the RP when things go wrong and after failing multiple times over years and are looking for some guidance on how to fail smarter and succeed faster. The goal is to allow these guys to know there is a better …
/r/ExRedPill06/08/21 10:44 AM
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I'd like to help in anyway. A lot of the rhetoric in the comments here are why people relapse into the space (hell I'm here now because Im trying to not relapse).
/r/ExRedPill25/07/21 12:04 PM
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I think the problem with this is that it comes off as "just be yourself". There are some actionable things in the Red Pill that can help, but it doesn't help to simply tell people in the RP to just go out there (as usually that's how they end up in the RP and end up relapsing). The OP was trying to pull the good and get out the toxicity of the RP in a concise form with some nuance that can help these guys. There are some red flags that can help men. We don't want to simply invalidate them and ha…
/r/ExRedPill25/07/21 12:02 PM
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