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I always liked to rate my pics by female friends.
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:15 AM
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Messages should be short and simple. I feel there's two schools of thought on this one.. Personally I always liked to chat and get to know one, and let the first date come naturally after like one or two weeks. When I had dates earlier on it felt rushed and more like a job-interview or someth.
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:15 AM
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your subconscious knows it. Tháts the problem. So you have to train your subconscious that it's normal to talk to strangers, by like talking to áll strangers you meet, regardless of gender, age and cuteness.
/r/seduction18/05/22 09:45 AM
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DON't go to a movie on a first date. Otherwise: yeah kinda gauge the moment, if you're close to her, try touching her upper arm, her hand, etc
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:23 AM
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Everything can be interpreted as anything.. It could be that she suggests it as a sort of safety precaution or someth. Or she doesn't like the awkwardness of 1-on-1 dates.
/r/seduction11/05/22 02:13 PM
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What's wrong with this situation? During this thing you can still hit it off with her..
/r/seduction11/05/22 01:43 PM
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Fake it till you make it
/r/seduction10/05/22 11:39 AM
1

Awesome points. I would add: I always sent like 15 pics of me to female friends to rate them, they always like to do it, and it's good feedback. In my experience, it's possible to have a longer before the first date. 3 days can work for sure, but what also worked for me: Just chat and get to know each other that way for like a week, and if it clicks, it's more natural and logical to meet up.
/r/seduction09/05/22 12:36 PM
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Double is awesome for a few quick games
/r/seduction09/05/22 12:06 PM
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I’m not gonna tell her Why is that? It sounds like you're good here, and don't have to rely on tricks anymore.
/r/seduction04/05/22 09:29 AM
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If nothing else: How do you talk with your friends? If you're blanking, it's perfectly okay to talk to girls the same way as you do to anyone else you know. But I agree, sometimes it just doesn't flow
/r/seduction03/05/22 10:04 AM
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Good point.
/r/seduction29/04/22 09:21 AM
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women in their 30s will have a biological pressure to settle for you. Biological pressure to go on one-night-stands? I mean if one is looking for a long term relationship, is this the right sub?
/r/seduction29/04/22 09:05 AM
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What if you don't have abundance now? I'd say getting laid in your 40s-50s is just as possible as in your 30s.
/r/seduction29/04/22 08:49 AM
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How did it end?
/r/seduction28/04/22 02:06 PM
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Yeah they just want to feel zero pressure to put out.
/r/seduction26/04/22 09:15 AM
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"just want to be friends" sometimes this is code for: "try me" OBVIOUSLY in a respectful way
/r/seduction26/04/22 09:15 AM
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In my mind, why would I take a girl on an expensive date who is potentially seeing other men for no commitments? I would rather stick to low cost dates like drinks/coffee/a walk in the park than drop $100+ on a date with someone that will turn out to be a fool. Exactly It's not the fifties anymore
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:55 AM
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I know right. It's an ongoing process too. Like keep it updated, and maybe most importantly: have it checked by female friends on a regular basis (they're always happy to do it :) ).
/r/seduction22/04/22 12:19 PM
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I always had good times with it. Am I the only one who met some nice/cool people on it?
/r/seduction22/04/22 12:07 PM
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There's not one reason not to ask her out
/r/seduction14/04/22 08:48 AM
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It's hard to read if every sentence is paragraph and ends with a comma. Is that in any way representative how you talk in real life?
/r/seduction12/04/22 09:38 AM
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That's alright, but why do you have to phrase OP like that?
/r/seduction11/04/22 02:17 PM
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It's not a competition
/r/seduction11/04/22 01:53 PM
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Why do you have to be obsessed with ratings and values?
/r/seduction11/04/22 01:53 PM
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I mean there are swingers parties where such a thing might happen. But then it's couples getting together, not single women.
/r/seduction11/04/22 01:39 PM
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How do you text regular friends about what you experience during the week? Like what you're gonna cook, of what weird thing you encounter in a store or whatever else. That's perfect for women too, because it shows you're a regular authentic dude, and that's almost more than women can hope for these days.
/r/seduction11/04/22 12:45 PM
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It doesn't matter. Initial interactions with women should have really little weight to them. Even if she's single, she might not be interested, you'll find out. And if you do, no harm done, you had a fun conversation, which is good for your state.
/r/seduction06/04/22 09:42 AM
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Eye contact is a thing of movies.. When you do the approach you have to get her attention somehow.
/r/seduction06/04/22 09:38 AM
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"Just be natural" If that advice was enough there was no need to be on this sub..
/r/seduction05/04/22 02:00 PM
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Step 1: Totally forget about that expectation. Besides, you can always give your story anyway without her asking.
/r/seduction05/04/22 01:59 PM
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So which is it? overthinking or bad advice?
/r/seduction05/04/22 01:53 PM
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It's just a little tip.. if you relate, do something with it..
/r/seduction05/04/22 01:44 PM
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Yeah flirting through eye-contact is really a thing of movies.. But go and say hi straightforwardly
/r/seduction04/04/22 01:54 PM
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Weird rant "There are girls that I personally have no connection with" Yeah no shit..
/r/seduction04/04/22 12:34 PM
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Taking a "no" and being cool with it would actually be good exercise.
/r/seduction04/04/22 10:12 AM
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You'd think, but as a single guy I went to the gym for two years, once or twice a week. Saw a lot of familiar faces always, but not one recurring social interaction.
/r/seduction04/04/22 10:11 AM
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Europe is a big place with many different countries and different mentalities. I'd say as long as you are in a big city, it should have a somewhat international atmosphere (like any capital). And then there should be lots single women. And people are people, doesn't really matter which country it is, everyone is different anyway.
/r/seduction01/04/22 02:05 PM
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Tinder in any city that's somewhat big should work.. Maybe get Tinder plus a couple of weeks in advance so you can set the location :) If you happen to be in hungary, say: Megchokolhatlok
/r/seduction01/04/22 02:00 PM
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Do you have regular meetings with friends 1-on-1 that are fun for both of you? Make it exactly like that.
/r/seduction25/03/22 03:15 PM
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Don't overthink it.. You don't know her reasons, and it's no use to guess. Just try one more time, or not if you don't want.
/r/seduction25/03/22 01:51 PM
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"hi, how was your day" Maybe that's too low effort? Like: If that's used as an opener on Tinder, it would get ignored too. I know you said "along the lines of" , but if it's actually "How was your day" that can be interpreted as: "Do yóu have anything to talk about? Cause I don't". So I'd continue the talk you had during the approach or someth. Something less generic.
/r/seduction24/03/22 11:03 AM
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A tip only works if you can get behind / can see it working. It's of zero use to try stuff that you don't agree with.
/r/seduction24/03/22 10:09 AM
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"getting laid like a normal person" I think many people have trouble enough with this, I certainly had.
/r/seduction24/03/22 09:48 AM
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I really don't agree.. Maybe it's where I'm from (dutch countryside) but I really didn't have any other options of meeting women other than apps.
/r/seduction16/03/22 04:31 PM
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I've had sex with 25 different women off dating apps since September 2020. Get over it...
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:58 PM
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I don't understand why someone would feel bad about it.. to me, they're two different things entirely.
/r/seduction09/03/22 03:26 PM
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I would say it isn't key, as you can do fine without it. But I agree it's certainly a plus.
/r/seduction01/03/22 12:34 PM
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This sounds like you're in the "fake it 'till you make it"-stage. No worries, if you keep it up, over time this will probably get more natural, you'll get a feel for it and things will fall into place.
/r/seduction25/02/22 10:48 AM
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How many dates have you had since yesterday? I mean it sounds a little early to make such statements.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:21 PM
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Its weird, but I (as a guy) had it the other way round once as well. I showed up for the date: She was nice but didn't look at the pictures at alll. Still, she was nice and fun, and while I was there, I did want to have sex with her, which we did. But as soon as I walked out that door I had zero intention of seeing her again. (Don't worry, it was gonna be a hookup date to begin with)
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:50 PM
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You said in OP you want a girlfriend.
/r/seduction08/02/22 09:17 AM
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I don't get it.. Why don't you do what you want and keep one of those women you're seeing? (surely there's one who also wants something steady)
/r/seduction07/02/22 03:30 PM
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Should we just keep on going on dates Yeah. But at this point, you don't call it "dates" anymore, you're just seeing each other and doing stuff together. No goals or important things, just do stuff that you both like and want to do. Don't let others dictate that.
/r/seduction01/02/22 01:13 PM
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"Friendzone" is a made-up thing. It's just a euphemism for lack of interest.
/r/seduction18/01/22 04:05 PM
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You do not want to be yourself around insecure people Why not? Especially around insecure people, it's important that you yourself are relaxed and feeling comfortable in your own skin.
/r/seduction17/01/22 10:28 AM
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To me, it means be comfortable in your own skin. Which basically mean: feeling good and relaxed.
/r/seduction14/01/22 06:02 PM
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Owyeah I don't mean imitating Joey! 😬 More like chandlers' wittyness or someth, and the general uplifting mood
/r/seduction14/01/22 05:03 PM
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I agree with people saying "be yourself". I also agree it's unhelpful advice, because you can't act being witty, it's something that comes naturally if you enjoy yourself. Having said that: What helped me once is: Before I would call up a women, I would watch clips of "Friends". Then during the call, I'd still be in this laughing/witty mood, which helps.
/r/seduction14/01/22 01:06 PM
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I’ve had multiple people I’ve seen expect me to carry the conversation the entire time. Well this: You only have to not be more boring than the other person. And sometimes that bar is set really low :) So it need not be bad to be boring, if both don't have problems with it. Like: Watching tv on your couch together can be boring and enjoyable.
/r/seduction11/01/22 10:03 AM
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Don't you stay in touch with the women you meet?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:10 PM
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Like I'm reading a book/advice from someone and if it works, it's the person's advice that worked, not me. The girl liked the implemented advice/fake me. Not me my original myself. Fake it till you make it, what's the big deal?
/r/seduction10/01/22 01:07 PM
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Good write-up, OP What I never understand (in general, about this community): How come people can't seem to set new and improved goals? I mean, shortly said, it goes like this: Goal 1: Have sex with a girl. For a lot people, this is enough to keep them busy. Some people don't succeed, some succeed sometimes, some struggle, some have moderate succes. Anyway, for these people, it doesn't need to go past "goal 1". But others, like OP, seem to have abundant succes. Now what I don't get, is that they…
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:15 AM
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What are you doing on this sub man
/r/seduction24/12/21 11:52 AM
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What's wrong with hikes?
/r/seduction24/12/21 09:31 AM
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Well, for cinema's, I agree. But watching a movie at home on the couch could be good.
/r/seduction24/12/21 09:30 AM
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Yeah it's weird, I never really got this too. I suppose just move closer and closer, touch a little bit, have laugh together.
/r/seduction20/12/21 03:21 PM
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What if you don't wanna wear IEMs all day?
/r/seduction17/12/21 07:00 PM
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Yeah meant more like how much of a fuzzy feeling a girl gets when she sees you with them on.
/r/seduction17/12/21 06:56 PM
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Well Bose and Beats are both up there in terms of brand image.
/r/seduction17/12/21 04:40 PM
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Do you think the fact that your headphones are BOSE's works like your car would be a BMW?
/r/seduction17/12/21 04:24 PM
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Ah right, so like a first date setting. So yeah then, in my experience: Have drinks on your couch next to each other. The endgoal for this is to end up touching. If this goes well, it leads to kissing, which you both can escalate to have it end up in sex (Unless she explicitly doesn't want to, which you have to respect). So how do you guys go from "hello" to close and touching? (I say "you guys" instead of "you" because it's good to see as a cooperative team effort.) Watching a movie could be go…
/r/seduction13/12/21 02:00 PM
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how to go from kissing to being naked In my experience, In my recent experience, with women of like 25-30+, if you guys are kissing on your couch, there's really nothing in the way of that leading to sex. Edits
/r/seduction13/12/21 01:46 PM
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Basically this. Short and sweet.
/r/seduction13/12/21 01:43 PM
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I go for the kiss as soon as we walk in the door and she takes off her shoes + coat. If she agrees to come over to yours, you can safely assume that she's into you. Dude.. I've had plenty of first dates at my place that were really a getting-to-know-each other date. Like the first time we saw each other after chatting. I'd have earned a slap in the face if I would have started making out after she just took off her shoes.
/r/seduction13/12/21 01:42 PM
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Feed her. Order pizza Or maybe cook?
/r/seduction13/12/21 01:39 PM
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So what exact situation do you mean: A) It's a date at your place B) You've already kissed somewhere and are now arrived at your place.
/r/seduction13/12/21 01:37 PM
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I'm reading this thinking: The way you talk about it tells me you're not ready...
/r/seduction22/11/21 02:01 PM
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When I go alone and try striking up convos, I usually get ignored pretty quickly Well there's your first challenge: If everyone isn't receptive to you, then girls also won't be.
/r/seduction22/11/21 09:40 AM
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And you're complaining? How many girlfriends do you need? In a year you have up to 50 potential matches, should be someone there. Kidding aside: People should play the long game more.
/r/seduction09/11/21 10:08 AM
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I tried a tinder profile, it didn't really lead to anything. So improve it. Have you let women that you know rate it? They're usually happy to do so. Like I said, it can work well as a long term thing when you update it a couple of times a year. Not having one seems like a missed chance because there are lots of women on it that are actually looking.
/r/seduction09/11/21 08:20 AM
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Tinder is useless unless you look like Zayn Malik. Pfsh.. proper grooming, good photographer, you're good to go
/r/seduction09/11/21 08:16 AM
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I know the main thing is photos on tinder It's not, is what I was trying to say.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:54 PM
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Have you investigated a little? Like on the advice-threads on /r/tinder or someth. I mean people have all different kinds of things to offer. Which also changes over the years (like in two years), so just keep a Tinder account for the long game, check in as often as you want. Have some female friends or acquantences rate your pics, etc.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:45 PM
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I believe in Tinder (but that might vary between region and demography), and it's easy to just check in now and then. Update your profile a couple times a year, try different things etc.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:35 PM
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There are sites and apps that you can use for friendships. Not as much as for dating (like Tinder and such) but they are there: Meetup, Couchsurfing events etc I don't know about meetup, but i've hooked up enough through couchsurfing events, as those are just mostly partying 20/30-ers.
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:02 AM
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"Hard to get" is really a thing. I found out myself, when I had matched with two similar women. At first I felt the same about both of them, but after one started messaging me more, I was surprised to feel more attraction for the other.
/r/seduction03/11/21 09:53 AM
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His collection of blogposts contains some gold (gets a bit bitter though, towards the end when he goes on about relationships).
/r/seduction02/11/21 11:15 AM
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”she makes the rules for guys she doesn’t like, but breaks the rules for guys she does like” Good one
/r/seduction01/11/21 10:50 AM
1

So what exactly happens each time? You hook up, and afterwards: then what? They never want a second date?
/r/seduction25/10/21 11:42 AM
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I'd turn it around: It's about not having traits that are a turn off. Like if you look half decent and groomed, and you can share an evening without her feeling weirded out, than you're a long way there.
/r/seduction14/10/21 09:10 AM
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Right! Well if it doesn't come naturally to talk about stuff you can also take tips like from that other commenter (f.o.r.d) to have some handles to talk about something.
/r/seduction13/10/21 07:29 AM
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It could be a major distraction. Or a good way to build up experience with women.
/r/seduction13/10/21 07:24 AM
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What do you talk about with friends? Same stuff
/r/seduction13/10/21 07:18 AM
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Imo: An important element is having fun yourself, and showing this off. Obviously this hard to act or fake (that's why it's so powerful).. but it's important to keep it in mind. Russel Brand always seems like he's having the best time.
/r/seduction12/10/21 03:22 PM
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Maybe hire a professional portrait photographer to get it all over with faster? Or just ask a friend..
/r/seduction08/10/21 12:53 PM
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Go for drinks, preferably close to / at one of your homes.
/r/seduction06/10/21 02:01 PM
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It sounds like she was receptive to more initiative from your side. Like: You could easily initiate some more hugging and stroking (like, after the movie), and then move your head closer to her, and at some point kiss her.
/r/seduction05/10/21 03:23 PM
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We have to do everything in dating, from approaching, flirting, escalating, keeping good conversation By all means, if you don't enjoy doing these things, then it's not for you! (I don't like to pay either, but for a few drinks it's okay and I don't take someone out on diner for the 1st date).
/r/seduction05/10/21 01:48 PM
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You can be fine well into your 40s..
/r/seduction29/09/21 11:28 AM
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with the main goal being to make someone's day This is key
/r/seduction28/09/21 12:31 PM
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Go on Tinder? I find it much easier to chat on there, because you can take your time for each message.
/r/seduction28/09/21 07:40 AM
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Don't most relationships start at work?
/r/seduction21/09/21 11:47 AM
1

Someone came up with the rule: "Blow me or blow me off" e.g.: Don't walk away until there's a clear rejection.
/r/seduction21/09/21 11:43 AM
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Between "saying hi" and "asking her out" can be more steps. Like asking her to stay in touch, texting some, and then asking her out.
/r/seduction15/09/21 10:08 AM
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I feel like the male genital is deeply rooted in our society's culture. They're just jokes, really. In reality, women don't care as much. Most don't even come from the penetration anyway, regardless of size, but from fingers or tongue. So be creative in the bedroom and don't forget to have fun!
/r/seduction14/09/21 02:32 PM
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high value women "You're never gonna get it if you keep calling it that" Edit: What I mean is: This sounds like such a dismissive and derogative attitude (or just plain negative). Imo it helps to be more open minded, and try to see the fun and good in people.
/r/seduction10/09/21 12:06 PM
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There might be a statistical difference, but I wouldn't dwell on it. There are many many factors at play and you being indian is just one of them.
/r/seduction09/09/21 02:43 PM
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/r/intermittentfasting or /r/keto :)
/r/seduction07/09/21 07:25 AM
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Good one. You don't even have to subscribe to a gym, even running 5km two or three times a week does wonders.
/r/seduction07/09/21 07:24 AM
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Yeah
/r/seduction06/09/21 09:26 PM
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Because you get a steady gaze from it. The more you switch eyes back and forth, the more nervous it looks. I mean you can switch eyes every couple of minutes or so if you want. But this tip holds up in any conversation with someone, not just with women.
/r/seduction06/09/21 09:05 PM
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Well yeah, so the trick is that you don't..
/r/seduction06/09/21 02:31 PM
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Explain
/r/seduction06/09/21 12:34 PM
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Also: choose one eye, and look into that.
/r/seduction06/09/21 12:03 PM
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Just do your daily free swipes, you'll find out soon enough.
/r/seduction04/09/21 10:57 AM
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people online tell me I'm good looking Alright, no problem: Go on Tinder, get matches. Have converstations without expecting anything. Don't overthink about signs of interest; anyone who keeps talking to you for over a week is interested -> So in that case, ask her out.
/r/seduction03/09/21 12:21 PM
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That's where fake it till you make it comes in
/r/seduction03/09/21 12:18 PM
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How do I approach a girl that doesn't know me Well, that's basically all this sub is about. So you're in the right place :)
/r/seduction02/09/21 12:54 PM
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Good write up! I was surprised by: "It only took 2-3 days for my social anxiety to come back in full-force." Because you made very good progress! I could approach literally anyone and remain completely calm and composed Don't you think it's possible to integrate this newfound skill in your day-to-day life? Like, just keep it on the backburner, talk to anyone on the bus, or someone in the supermarket who walks by..
/r/seduction02/09/21 10:10 AM
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"Honestly, I'm not sure I can either, but if my schedule allows I may have 15 mins to grab a coffee/do whatever" Ehmm.. doesn't that sound a little transparent? Like: "Wanna go out?" "Not sure" "yeah, no, me too" Actually: The fact that you feel the need to say something at all, indicates how much of reflex it is to respond, and how hard it is to resist to respond, which makes staying silent all the more powerful.
/r/seduction01/09/21 03:28 PM
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”No worries, let me know another time” That's a nice and positive responsive. But: it still sounds too needy. Her "I don't know if I can" is sign of disinterest, and any response from you that shows more interest for her than she has for you, is gonna make that worse. What people shouldn't forget, is that "silence" is an important response to take in consideration. You don't always have to say something. In this case, you best have said nothing, and meanwhile think about ways to spark her intere…
/r/seduction01/09/21 12:18 PM
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Often, "friendzone" is really just another word for lack of interest. If they're actually kinda good friends, that's very valuable and I hope that's the case here. For istance, I often let my female friends rate my tinder bio pictures to see which one is best.
/r/seduction01/09/21 09:35 AM
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Everyone's saying friendzone = bad, but in fact it's good to have female friends.
/r/seduction01/09/21 09:07 AM
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38, and a few successes from cold approaches on festivals, but not like on the street. But in daily life I mostly use Tinder, which works quite well. I always check my pictures with female friends, and over time I learned in which pics I look best.
/r/seduction01/09/21 07:22 AM
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Yeah I'm not worried about ghosting anymore. If she politely rejects you, or downright ghosts you... the endresult is the same.
/r/seduction30/08/21 12:24 PM
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One is not enough.
/r/seduction27/08/21 08:49 AM
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Always carry condoms full stop
/r/seduction26/08/21 08:43 AM
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Every new girl you talk to is one step closer to your goal. Building up experience and comfort with women is hugely important.
/r/seduction23/08/21 02:55 PM
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Fake it till you make it.
/r/seduction23/08/21 02:54 PM
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Just go on Tinder.. works great for me, and if I have friends or not, that fact doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Moreover: women should [..] avoid him What do you mean? Also: If you're by yourself, approaching women, how does it matter if you have friends or not?
/r/seduction11/08/21 10:47 AM
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Yeah I know someone who had a drinking problem, and quit. Still, he goes out to bars and what not, and has a great time with women.
/r/seduction11/08/21 10:15 AM
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Personally, I'm super happy that I live in the time of Tinder and Bumble, etc.. I remember the time before, and it was super miserable here on the countryside. Tinder is really a great system if you think about it: It's simple and free and you meet people who you know are single. You might need work on your profile, I've always checked my photos with female friends, (or even let them pick them) and ask feedback on your profile text and such. But in the end, it always works well for me (again, se…
/r/seduction11/08/21 10:13 AM
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So you want OP to make friends in order to keep up appearances?
/r/seduction11/08/21 10:07 AM
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I have a GF now, but it's just nice to read about this stuff, and maybe pick up some things along the way.
/r/seduction30/07/21 10:01 AM
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Yeah, I was gonna say: The difference is that the penisses aren't erect. But still..
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:21 AM
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I mean than you'd know about the real average size of regular dicks.
/r/seduction29/07/21 08:47 AM
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People think 4-5 inches is small nowadays? I mean if you'd shower together after soccer practice you'd know porn is really bullshit.
/r/seduction29/07/21 07:36 AM
16

Being healthy and in shape isn’t easy. It takes sacrifice, time, and physical discomfort. I'd say: make it work in a way that you like doing it. Otherwise you're never gonna keep it up. I myself build up a habit of running, which is great for fitness and mood (not so much for toned shoulders, but it does articulate the veins in my arms, which I like).
/r/seduction26/07/21 01:58 PM
1

"Date?" "Yes"
/r/seduction16/07/21 11:54 AM
3

In my experience: once you're on a date, it's irrelevant how you've met.
/r/seduction16/07/21 08:33 AM
1

I'd say the key is to do it more often, as it gets easier with practice and experience.
/r/seduction16/07/21 08:31 AM
1

By "comparable", I didn't know they would mean "an aweful lot smaller".
/r/seduction16/07/21 08:30 AM
2

Good to hear you're so busy! Yeah don't worry about everything, just keep this up, your state will improve, everything will become more natural. Don't forget to enjoy the ride :)
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:28 AM
1

I can't imagine..
/r/seduction07/07/21 07:12 AM
1

OP is being miserable for not having anything more to wish for. So I suggest to set new goals, after he's reached his previous ones.
/r/seduction06/07/21 03:00 PM
2

So that's a good thing, right? OP complains he has nothing more to strife for.
/r/seduction06/07/21 01:13 PM
-5

eventually find out the hollowness that comes with it. I don't understand why people don't raise their ambition at that point: Go for threesomes, then 4-5 somes etc.. With enough creativity, there's always something to reach for. Edit: Downvotes? Please explain
/r/seduction06/07/21 12:01 PM
2

Yeah I have gotten 38 last week. It's not that I don't want to settle down with a GF, it's just never happened. Instead I've met a lot of great girls/women over the years, and have explored the swingers community a bit, which is nice too. I do prefer having a good time together with someone over being single, and the old-fashioned way for this is to settle down, or else you'll be alone. But over the years, I've gotten kinda consistent with Tinder, and I've learned that if I want, I'm never singl…
/r/seduction06/07/21 07:49 AM
3

Owyeah the great eye-contact tip I've used since I've learned about it: Pick one eye, and keep looking at it without switching. Idunno, it sounds like a small thing. Maybe it's just that knowing that you don't have to switch eyes is comforting.
/r/seduction22/06/21 11:46 AM
27

I just agree with OP.
/r/seduction21/06/21 03:16 PM
157

Awesome list, I agree with everything based on my personal dating experience. About point 15: I've always found it weird that "be silent for 5 days and then expect her to show up" is what basically half this sub recommends.
/r/seduction21/06/21 01:58 PM
2

Interesting. Do you have a go-to thing to say and open with, or is it different and improvised each time?
/r/seduction14/06/21 02:24 PM
3

Good to hear. Do you have a go-to thing to say, or is it different and improvised each time?
/r/seduction14/06/21 02:24 PM
1

"Leave on a low note" Is one of the pieces of advice from a book that I remembered. Like: If she's not interested, then nothing's stopping you from just turning around and go about your day.
/r/seduction01/06/21 10:17 PM
3

Yeah I'm not sceptical! I just find the real-world stories the most interesting.
/r/seduction01/06/21 08:32 PM
4

I was just asking if people on this sub do this regularly? Do you?
/r/seduction01/06/21 04:08 PM
7

That's basically the big mistery of this sub..
/r/seduction01/06/21 04:07 PM
2

Yeah I was just wondering the same thing as you. So my question was aimed at the readers of this sub: wether anyone here regularly approaches a girl who's just trying to mind her own business at some random coffee shop.
/r/seduction01/06/21 03:15 PM
25

Are there people here who do this regularly (approach a girl who's just trying to mind her own business at some random coffee shop) ? How does it work out, and how do you get around the limiting believe that everyone's minding their own business and don't need the attention of a stranger.
/r/seduction01/06/21 02:41 PM
11

I would love this to be real, but: Does this actually happen? It sounds like a thing in movies and commercials. But I wouldn't go out on the street, walking past girls, waiting for this to be happening... But then again, I'm not that experienced with cold opening during the day. Also it might be a limiting belief.
/r/seduction01/06/21 02:37 PM
1

Just ask them out?
/r/seduction18/05/21 01:54 PM
2

Trust me Like we haven't tried it...
/r/seduction14/05/21 09:44 AM
9

It's not advice. It's a different perspective, which can be interesting.
/r/seduction04/05/21 02:58 PM
2

My god, you incel..
/r/seduction04/05/21 02:56 PM
2

Tinder didn't work for you?
/r/seduction28/04/21 12:20 PM
2

Or, as usual, a bit of both.
/r/seduction26/04/21 11:56 AM
2

Ah yesss great insight! Communicate in terms of relatable feelings.
/r/seduction14/04/21 02:18 PM
2

I mean talking about frames and framing: framing is whatever you want it to be. So it's helpful to focus on, and choose good and healthy frames. Because it's so useful, this sub can be of help with that.
/r/seduction09/04/21 09:01 AM
4

Beautiful women have lots of options and plenty of guys chasing them. Not saying there's no truth in it, but this kind of phrasing reenforces all kinds of unhealthy frames: - women are the queens and guys are the worms who go after them. - the only women worth chasing are the model-types - women don't care for you
/r/seduction09/04/21 08:07 AM
2

Yes
/r/seduction26/03/21 01:41 PM
0

Why else would you come here if not to better yourself? (In both of those aspects).
/r/seduction26/03/21 10:57 AM
1

It's not that complicated... it's just a bit of both, as I was saying. It's just a bit of calibrating.
/r/seduction24/03/21 04:51 PM
1

Then you judge the probability of attraction (it is usually not certain) and decide to make a more deliberate move. Well yeah, the above approach is much to "mechanistic". It's all a dynamic thing, and during the interaction you just observe how it goes simultanuously
/r/seduction24/03/21 04:22 PM
1

Could go either way.. wouldn't be first the first person to change her mind.
/r/seduction24/03/21 04:19 PM
1

It's always a bit of both, isn't it.
/r/seduction24/03/21 04:03 PM
3

I mean I can't imagine that I didn't know how to read body-language at some earlier point, but I remember that I did. It's just that after a certain while, it "clicks", and you can see and feel from non-verbal ques how she feels towards something (not always, sometimes she's just not so expressive, but as far as it goes). But then it feels so natural that you can't imagine ever not having known it. That's why I said that it's easy to take it for granted.
/r/seduction24/03/21 03:59 PM
10

"10 things to look for to know that a girl likes you" Don't take this for granted though: Before I started this I had not clue at all, so learning what that the signals are is definitely helpful.
/r/seduction24/03/21 02:46 PM
1

It's perfectly possible to escalate the conversation bit by bit. The only creativity you need is to come up with the small bits. And to read into her responses if she's into it.
/r/seduction22/03/21 04:12 PM
5

The only purpose of texting is to setup a date. For people have met on the street, not for tinder-contacts, is what we established here the other day:
/r/seduction22/03/21 04:07 PM
1

I never ran to a support group. Where have you been mate?? Should have gotten here earlier
/r/seduction22/03/21 09:00 AM
3

- Thát is not the expression - well it should be
/r/seduction22/03/21 08:58 AM
1

Waiittt, this should me more clear. Cause it sounds like it's about when you get her number on Tinder.
/r/seduction04/03/21 02:50 PM
1

Classic Post vs Top comment.. I'm intrueged by this dichotomy... why is there? In my experience, chatting a bit to get to know eachother works for me as well.
/r/seduction04/03/21 02:49 PM
8

So: give up?
/r/seduction04/03/21 10:12 AM
1

So what things that you can do, dó work?
/r/seduction04/03/21 10:12 AM
2

Interesting stuff! Could you also give the constructive side of your experiences? Your post is about things that realistically don't work (I can agree with those). But you've had some successes: So what dóes work, based on your years of experience?
/r/seduction04/03/21 10:10 AM
0

Most girls don't really flirt... If anything: the only thing they do is, they don't walk away and look at you like "Why don't you make a move already?"
/r/seduction01/03/21 12:54 PM
1

Did you try to dance closely, put your hand on her waist, and that kind of stuff?
/r/seduction04/02/21 12:43 PM
1

As for threesomes yes, checked it off the list already. Swinging as well. Sex parties, I worked as club promoter, gave me access to those. Ah nice, good to hear :)
/r/seduction19/01/21 05:11 PM
1

You start to resent them cause you realize how little they bring to the table and all the work you put in to get them. My god, imagine that.. Why don't you do what makes you happy, period? Also: have you run out of creativity? Like: Move over to organising threesomes or sex-parties or what not. There's a lot of fun to be had.
/r/seduction19/01/21 08:56 AM
1

Girls always made me super happy. The more the better.
/r/seduction19/01/21 08:53 AM
1

Really? Not in my expierence and social circle. Like: after the first date, if you both decide to keep seeing each other, it's not normal to still sleep around or someth.
/r/seduction11/01/21 10:57 PM
2

continually reassure her that you guys are NOT exclusive or dating. I can't really imagine a way of doing this that doesn't sound rude or harsh... IMO, with dating, exclusivity is automatically assumed. Unless it's like a very excplicitely agreed upon FWB-type deal.
/r/seduction11/01/21 09:50 AM
2

Ah yeah I get you. It sucks to break it up. But if it's inevitable is it's inevitable.. And I get from your post that you want to be as nice as possible about it, so that's good. And it's not about men vs women or men taking advantage of women.. I've been in your situation but the other way round, where she told me after 3 months that she didn't feel it anymore. It just happens. I my opinion (and where I'm from and such) this isn't really a thing anymore: I always feel like a dick at this point …
/r/seduction11/01/21 09:41 AM
1

"Aw not this shit again, here he goes saying the same nonsense with good guys vs nice guys." Yeah that's how I always read it.. But yeah, maybe it can't hurt to go over it again (from like a different perspective or something).
/r/seduction17/12/20 03:43 PM
6

This needs more recognition. "Don't be a nice guy" is basically every other post on this sub... It seems we only get cliche advice from aspiring dating coaches anymore nowadays..
/r/seduction17/12/20 03:21 PM
7

Yeah this is a hard one, because the goal is to be able to come up with that yourself (in the moment, naturally, by improvisation). But yeah to get there is kinda the golden question. If anything, it's by a lot of practice and experience.
/r/seduction08/09/20 09:18 AM
2

How ís Mystery these days?
/r/seduction03/09/20 12:04 PM
7

It's easy to take these kind of epiphanies for granted. After you've had them they feel like such basic information, that it's easy to forget that there was a time that you didn't know it.
/r/seduction02/09/20 10:31 AM
1

Go on Tinder, set the age right, put "No ONS" in the profile (like I see a lot), and only meet up after you connect well in the chat.
/r/seduction21/08/20 11:16 PM
1

I read this a lot here on this sub. I wanna believe it's true, but it's just that IRL sometimes I really get a good connection going on Tinder, which can escalate sexually too, which sets up a good vibe for our first meeting. Maybe it's a bit of both.
/r/seduction18/08/20 07:37 AM
3

I'm trying to meat her
/r/seduction18/08/20 07:34 AM
5

That's too easily dismissive.
/r/seduction13/08/20 09:44 AM
8

Ah yeah he sounds like a total dick. So: try to be like that, except be nice in the process. I think the key take-aways are: having lots of little interactions with different people. But I don't like the feeling of acting like this when I don't feel like it inside I have this too most of the times, but after like a holiday or a long festival I notice with myself that I can get into that mood / attitude / state. Like: If you do it a lot, your brain gets used to it, and it gets easier so you get e…
/r/seduction13/08/20 09:43 AM
89

Imo: "Friendzone" doesn't exist as a concept, it's just a euphemism for "not interested enough". Loads of relations start off as friends.
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:10 PM
0

Idunno, just go on Tinder. If it clicks, it clicks, and you can meet.
/r/seduction13/07/20 12:44 PM
3

His idea of putting women into three categories (Receptive, Neutral, and Non-receptive) seems brilliant. 60yearofchallenge does this too, but with a traffic-light analogy.
/r/seduction09/07/20 07:48 AM
1

Stuff that you read can be helpful, just don't assume the truth in everything you read, but actively think what your opinion is on the thing that you're reading.
/r/seduction02/07/20 07:34 AM
1

"Comprehensive"
/r/seduction09/06/20 11:44 AM
2

One says treat every girl like they’re a female friend you haven’t seen in a while, talk to her normally, don’t be overtly flirtatious, don’t go in with the assumption that you’re necessarily going to get her number or hit it off, just see what she’s like and if you like her vibe then consider asking for her number to hang out. I like how that's worded. Not that I'm super succesful, but this is my preferred approach.
/r/seduction05/06/20 12:26 PM
1

Jezus man.. what do you think OP's situation is? Two girls standing in the corner, and guy a comes round, haves a chat, then guy b comes round, guy c, etc for the entire night. No she explicitly said she went out with a group of friends. So she probably has fun with the friends, and the friends of the friends for the entire night. This kinda partying isn't -all- about trying to get into each other pants.
/r/seduction04/06/20 07:47 AM
1

Well, if you want someone, you don't have to wait until they flirt with you :) That's what this whole sub is about, isn't it? Isn't your goal just to learn to flirt inconspicously?
/r/seduction04/06/20 07:41 AM
287

It's a mix between "not noticing people flirting" and "suspecting every guy that talks to you wants something".
/r/seduction03/06/20 11:36 AM
3

I wouldn't see it in this assymetrical does-he-like-me-or-not way... Imo it's more natural to have a mutual connection. How well you 'click' is the result of how you get along together, for ex. how much fun you both make when you're together. So in practice: Hang out together, and see if you can create fun moments "as a team" so to speak. Edit: my apologies for the other comments in this thread.. omg
/r/seduction26/05/20 10:03 AM
1

Yeahh, I know. I'm not against techniques myself, some helped me a lot. And like you say: It can be fun to do them :)
/r/seduction19/05/20 01:43 PM
3

that’s the point of all this! No what I mean is: If you're not having fun, it shows, and there's no way to fake it :)
/r/seduction19/05/20 11:58 AM
17

I was just focusing on doing my own god damn thing, and having fun. That's the most important thing: To genuinly have fun. Which is hard, if you're focussing on techniques.
/r/seduction19/05/20 08:25 AM
0

being the best guy you can be But that's basically all this sub teaches to begin with..
/r/seduction19/05/20 08:23 AM
1

Maybe she's up for thát.. I hooked up last week.
/r/seduction12/05/20 05:40 PM
2

Give her a call, see if you get along.
/r/seduction12/05/20 03:48 PM
2

Solid advice.. what's everyone still doing here
/r/seduction12/05/20 02:20 PM
2

Yeah the "for me" sounds cheesy :P Just go ahead and kiss.
/r/seduction12/05/20 02:19 PM
35

Ah, reminds me of my quick-n-dirty method at parties festivals etc. After a random chat with a girl I go like: "Alright, hey I'm gonna walk along. But one last question." "Yes?" *moves close* *wait for it* "Can I kiss you?". 34% of the time it works all of the time.
/r/seduction12/05/20 02:18 PM
6

An alternative way: Don't look, move close slowly, and softly grab/touch/stroke like her pinky or her underarm. See how she responds to that. Move your face slowly towards her face, and if she doesn't back away, kiss.
/r/seduction12/05/20 02:14 PM
1

Just instead of: "Hey! Do you wanna meet then and then?" say: "Hey! Do you wanna call then and then?"
/r/seduction08/05/20 01:38 PM
1

:) But, you said: I usually set up a date in a couple of days of slight texting So set up a calling date instead?
/r/seduction08/05/20 01:09 PM
3

What about calling?
/r/seduction08/05/20 08:48 AM
2

A: All the methods and tips on this sub B: Smartphone apps. In this day and age probably B is best.
/r/seduction06/05/20 12:03 PM
5

I'm sure this post is accurate, but how constructive is it? It's easy to advise people what not to do, but I don't think "playing hard to get" is gonna help a lot of people on this sub.
/r/seduction17/04/20 09:12 AM
2

Honestly, I don't believe in the whole concept of the friend zone. When girls "like you as a friend" that's just a euphemism for not being interested. But it has nothing to do with time. I've had plenty of dates after I've known her for 6 months or longer.
/r/seduction07/04/20 10:22 AM
2

I just think you can keep in touch as a friend for now, and then later meet up and go for it again. Friendzone is used mostly as an excuse for "not interested" I believe.
/r/seduction01/04/20 10:27 PM
13

There’s only so long you can keep texting going before you run out of things to say... I don't think this has to be true. With friends, you don't run out of things to say right? Just keep her on as a friend. Maybe with some escalating sexting when you feel like it. I don't believe in the friendzone, so when things are clear again, just meet up and get back to it. edits.
/r/seduction01/04/20 11:18 AM
1

All I'm saying is that both is very well possible.
/r/seduction30/03/20 11:19 AM
1

Jezus christ man... either you like someone, or you don't. No need to get all ranty over things like entitlement and stuff.
/r/seduction30/03/20 10:15 AM
1

It cán be broad, but it doesn't need to be. You (Edit: I mean, "some people", as in: "it is possible to") can perfectly have your nerdy life during the week, then in the weekend put on a nice shirt, go out, and do sets back-to-back and be succesful with it.
/r/seduction30/03/20 10:11 AM
1

Good list
/r/seduction30/03/20 10:07 AM
1

"Her hands don't lie" ​ https://epdf.pub/fearless-relentless-escalation.html (do a search for "hands don't lie")
/r/seduction26/03/20 09:07 AM
10

Well, hardcore gaming isn't such a cool hobby either.
/r/seduction23/03/20 09:43 AM
5

I agree with myself Edit: Having said that, I hear you others, and I have it in my head as a viable option too, whenever it's applicable.
/r/seduction11/03/20 01:31 PM
200

People say this, but I feel like there's two camps. Personally, I'm in the other one: I like to casually chat and break the ice, get to know each other a bit, before a meeting. I feel it's awkward to sit opposite from someone I don't know. Plus I don't feel like the girl wants to meet with me/someone if we barely spoke.
/r/seduction11/03/20 08:35 AM
2

Sounds like a sign of interest.. just go with it.
/r/seduction05/03/20 03:51 PM
2

Plus Pick up isn’t about being yourself - if it were this sub reddit wouldn’t need to exist. Sometimes it's about improving yourself though.
/r/seduction05/03/20 01:44 PM
3

For me stuff changed when I started to feel better myself. Like, If I feel good, and enjoy myself, it's natural to impose yourself on others to share your joy. I'm more confident as well. So focus on non-girl stuff that makes you feel good (like you should, anyways). A good shortcut is hitting the gym as well :)
/r/seduction04/03/20 02:02 PM
2

Yeah, but I'm talking about books :) "sixty years of challenge" is an auteur I really like.
/r/seduction04/03/20 01:22 PM
1

Have you read some books about it? This could lead to good new insights.
/r/seduction04/03/20 01:06 PM
1

What are you doing on this sub then?
/r/seduction04/03/20 10:14 AM
2

Can you explain more? You say straight forward honesty doesn't work, but still you make that work in some way?
/r/seduction04/03/20 10:13 AM
4

Imo there's basically two schools of thought in seduction: There's the approach where people like to learn and use what some people call "tricks". Like psychological- and sales tricks and methods and what not. Then there's the approach where people like to study how to be better with women in a more natural way, like how to get rid of there approach anxiety or improve yourself in other ways. Usually, you do a bit of both, but it sounds OP leans on the former, so he gets downvoted by those who le…
/r/seduction04/03/20 10:10 AM
1

Well, outside of big cities this can be tricky. So you can set as a rule for yourself: If you didn't see an approachable woman that day, you can use Tinder. At least Tinder exists, so be grateful it's an option. I remember how bad life was before it (I'm 36).
/r/seduction24/02/20 12:31 PM
1

My area is rural, but still Tinder never really runs out. Does it where you're from?
/r/seduction24/02/20 11:35 AM
1

Me too, I just use Tinder a lot to talk to the local singles, it's exactly what it's there for.
/r/seduction24/02/20 11:31 AM
2

I'm not from the 50's if that's what you mean.
/r/seduction21/02/20 12:19 PM
2

Ah right. But do they even try? Or do they have regular friends?
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:57 AM
9

Are we still in this alpha-beta black&white line of thinking? It's such an oversimplification and kinda outdated if you ask me.
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:28 AM
3

So that's the extreme were nobody is at.
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:27 AM
0

"doesn’t hold frame" Like women care if a guy "holds frame".
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:26 AM
1

Interesting. I could make some more work of my openers.
/r/seduction18/02/20 10:56 AM
0

Doesn't hurt to just try it out yourself.
/r/seduction18/02/20 10:56 AM
3

It's just good basics. Don't take for granted that what yóu know, others with less experience might not.
/r/seduction12/02/20 08:08 AM
28

🤦🏻‍♂️
/r/seduction11/02/20 02:06 PM
75

Or, if you’re on the couch with a girl, and things start to get heated, you can pick her up, carry her to the bed, and throw her on the bed before getting on top of her. Really great move if she's small enough / you're strong enough: When she's sitting/riding you on the the couch, put her arms around your neck, put your own hands under her legs, and just stand up and walk around with you still inside her, to like the kitchen table or the bedroom.
/r/seduction11/02/20 10:26 AM
0

Well if the title doesn't give it away...
/r/seduction11/02/20 10:10 AM
17

These are all good tips, but IMO the intro is a bit of an exaggeration: Being good in bed is important. Not only are your sexual encounters going to be far more enjoyable for the girl (and for you) if you know what you’re doing, but if you fuck a woman well, she’s going to want to see you again. In fact, the simplest way to get a girlfriend is to be great in bed. If you’re better than anyone she’s ever been with, she’s going to become addicted to you like a drug. It's only as important as you wá…
/r/seduction11/02/20 08:52 AM
1

"Tips and tricks" or just: "advice" can certainly help, just make sure it fits your style.
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:55 AM
1

It is worse. Don't sugar coat it. You will have shit tests thrown at you, and your self esteem checked and tested. Really? What type of women are you calling? IMO, calling takes at least five "practice runs" before you get comfortable with it, and the nerves are out of your voice. But after that, it might be pretty effective and time-efficient.
/r/seduction03/02/20 01:36 PM
10

> Winter Session throughout the month of January, which means fewer people on campus and on Main Street. Reminds me of the line by Ross in Friends :P For the rest: Good story! I love these kind of reads, where op's do stuff in real life and directly report about it (instead of like videos by coaches, which I can't watch without the commercial aspect of it in the back of my mind).
/r/seduction03/02/20 12:36 PM
0

Tinder works out for me. Be casual about it though, like talking to people in a bar. Enjoy the chatting, be curious about the people you talk to, and once in a while you hit it off with someone and you go for a drink. If you do thát regularly, your changes of getting laid get increasingly higher. Don't forget to enjoy the interaction. If you're the type that gets bitter after the 3rd girl you talk to still hasn't slept with you, no one's ever going to anyway. Post your profile on the sticky topi…
/r/seduction03/02/20 10:06 AM
1

you might get banned. Then you're doing something wrong anyway.. your frame has to be strong in that it comes over as normal what you do (talking to people you don't know). Especially: The smaller the town, the more you have something in common. "I don't know you, but we're from the same town, so we're part of the same "club"".
/r/seduction23/01/20 03:07 PM
1

Simpeler advice: Watch a movie sitting next to each together on a couch or the bed. Nice way to spend two hours to get comfortable with each other and lean close to him in the end. When you're leaning against someone for 30 minutes, eventually there's gonna be chemistry, and you can start playfully stroking his arm or leg, and go from there.
/r/seduction23/01/20 10:14 AM
1

radius set to 100 miles and would still run out of people to swipe on. Damn, yeah that's tough. Glad to live in rural The Netherlands then.
/r/seduction21/01/20 09:43 AM
1

Swinggcat and 60yearsofchallenge is really good stuff indeed! Goes deep into the psychology of it. I just don't like Mistery.
/r/seduction16/01/20 08:50 PM
3

At that age, no one cares. Usually you do it at your parents', but apparently OP can't do that.
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:02 PM
3

how you created attraction Imo, if you use that kind of terminology, your approach is too technical in the first place. Again, it might be my personal preferences, but it sounds like an approach that's too rule-based, similar to the early Mystery-method and Strauss' The Game. Does that still hold up, you think? I mean I thought nowadays more natural, interally-based, methods have been proven to be more effective (like that book "Models"). To get back to the example, I view attraction not as some…
/r/seduction15/01/20 10:05 AM
3

I just couldn't bear just meeting people to have sex then leave them the next day / week anymore. So why díd you leave them the next day/week?
/r/seduction10/01/20 10:39 AM
3

Nah Especially with free apps like tinder, the threshold is so low, that almost everyone in on them.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:13 PM
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If she goes out with you she's considering having sex with you Meh.. that's a bit strong: at the very least she wants to get to know you. A lot of women are looking for a long term relationship.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:12 PM
3

> Girls on those apps have so many options. You have to be truly exceptional to stand a chance. I'm thinking it's probably better to meet girls in real life where the competition isn't near as thick. Well: It's not like the "girls in real life" are not on Tinder as well, so I wonder how big of a difference it would be.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:11 PM
1

I am just not interested What are you doing here then? No one's forcing you to do this.
/r/seduction11/12/19 01:35 PM
1

It's more an end than a means, I guess.
/r/seduction03/12/19 03:01 PM
9

I know on this sub we're against using Tinder, but for me it really works okay to get laid now and then. It's such a difference as before.
/r/seduction26/11/19 08:28 AM
1

Maybe work on/keep a different frame. Like: you wanna live in a world where everyone is cool and social wich each other, and people ask each other out all the time like it's no big deal.
/r/seduction25/11/19 09:28 AM
3

Maybe train on a stronger frame?
/r/seduction18/11/19 03:23 PM
1

Yeah Well, what I actually meant is to meet regulars from the local CS community :) could be bunch of fun people.
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:13 PM
1

Couchsurfing events is a good one
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:04 PM
15

Paragraphs! No one's gonna read that wall of text.
/r/seduction14/11/19 08:37 AM
2

Thanx! The best eBook I ever read was a series of blogposts by "60 Years of challenge". Very simple and to the point, helped me a lot.
/r/seduction05/11/19 08:18 AM
1

Alright! What's your favorite material?
/r/seduction04/11/19 11:38 PM
0

Yeah I didn't say I don't practice it. RSD shares useful knowledge, but a lot of others do too, and I used to read and watch a lot of stuff, just because it was interesting. Like I said, the interesting stuff is usually about attitude and frame and such, and I feel like I learned from that, and because it's so fundamental, apply it just in every interaction with women (from texting to dating).
/r/seduction04/11/19 04:17 PM
2

You could go on /r/sex more, to find out what women really like in bed.
/r/seduction04/11/19 03:38 PM
2

What's wrong with dating apps? Imo (M36) it's perfect for shy people who want to do things in their own time.
/r/seduction04/11/19 03:27 PM
2

I just find that they give good and interesting insights into underlying theory, about your attitude/frame etc. It's too general info to directly link it to any results though.
/r/seduction04/11/19 01:41 PM
5

I've only used their free stuff and I like it.
/r/seduction04/11/19 12:20 PM
9

I feel like he’s establishing a position of power, and if I ask him first I lose. Does that work like some sort of game? You could also see asking first as taking control.
/r/seduction24/10/19 12:40 PM
2

Do you ever enjoy just hanging out with a person? Where it doesn't really matter what you do or what you talk about, you're just enjoying each other's company? That's what I mean by talking to someone as a friend. If you don't, maybe learn that? If anything, before a woman has sex with someone, she at least expects a basic level of social interaction, even nymphomanes. The good thing is: You don't need to make extra friends of whatever, you can practice this with women. The easiest would be to g…
/r/seduction23/10/19 08:18 AM
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You must take the first step And the first step can just be talking to girls like a friend. Just to get comfortable in that situation.
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:23 PM
1

Yeah.. ofcourse I get what the idea of that kind of advice is. Except: To be outcome independent is more of a goal, instead of advice. "you shouldn't expect the result" but you can't simply choose what your expectation is. IME, outcome independence comes automatically after more experiences and successes, but I never learned any good techniques to reach it directly.
/r/seduction15/10/19 11:30 AM
1

So, what if, after you ran out of stuff to say, you go: "Hey! You wanna dance later?"
/r/seduction15/10/19 07:48 AM
1

Exactly, that's what I always think when I read "Don't try!". Wtf, how else am I gonna get stuff done??
/r/seduction15/10/19 07:46 AM
2

Do they have a new businessplan or something? What's happening there?
/r/seduction10/10/19 10:29 AM
1

Maybe join a swingers-website?
/r/seduction10/10/19 09:08 AM
10

Love these kinda write-ups. Very recognizable.
/r/seduction09/10/19 12:08 PM
4

Don't ask to go back to hers What, why? Anyway, she's probably thought of logistics as well, or will at the point you're walking out of the bar.
/r/seduction08/10/19 02:25 PM
4

IMO, talking to her like a friend is a good starting point. It's a comfortable atmosphere, you can both relax. It's only an extra that maybe at some point during the evening, you can try to sit closer to her, see if she likes it. Or look at her somewhat longer, or touch her arm a little.
/r/seduction30/09/19 12:57 PM
2

Sure, yet some people just don't do one night stands.. No biggy, just be clear about it.
/r/seduction24/09/19 10:30 AM
1

A lot of women have "No ONS / serious relationship" in their profile.. does that not work?
/r/seduction24/09/19 09:31 AM
1

be sure you bring protection yourself. Isn't that a given? Better yet: always carry protection
/r/seduction24/09/19 07:30 AM
1

Good first steps. Yeah just keep at it, and build up experience until these approaches become casual daily things.
/r/seduction20/09/19 11:40 AM
2

so women will approach you. Yeah that's not gonna happen. I mean improving your life is good, but it won't reverse the roles, it will just make your approaches easier.
/r/seduction20/09/19 11:38 AM
2

Alright, good for you!
/r/seduction20/09/19 08:52 AM
1

Look for some other pdfs/books on this sub :) there's a lot of helpful stuff!
/r/seduction18/09/19 03:33 PM
3

Yeah don't get too worked up about it... These things are gonna happen, it's no biggy. One day is not like the other, and she didn't owe you anything. Kudo's for the initial approach though :) Sounds like a fun natural little chat, just keep doing more of those (and enjoy them for what they are as well), and you'll get there :)
/r/seduction17/09/19 12:08 PM
1

Yeah I'm not sure you can act like this or fake it.. Just build up more experience, I guess.
/r/seduction17/09/19 09:53 AM
1

I wouldn't call it so much as a thing.. it's just a little technique\tip. But it's funny how well it works (for what it is) and I now do it with everybody, I never switch eyes anymore, it just makes you (seem) a little less nervous and more confident. The actual tip here is that it's not nécessary to switch eyes. So its quite a lazy technique :P
/r/seduction16/09/19 04:13 AM
2

Ah yeah, I guess what I meant was: Being able to hold a conversation with a girl just like you would with a guy / regular friend.
/r/seduction12/09/19 02:48 PM
5

If you can't hold a conversation with a women for a couple of minutes, it doesn't make much difference if you work out or have hobbies etc.. So as I said in the other comment: Your first step is just to be comfortable with being social with girls.
/r/seduction12/09/19 02:35 PM
1

By the end of OP's story she wanted to have sex, so then it's done and it's just a matter of finding a place. If the weather's nice, find an empty garden or a park.
/r/seduction12/09/19 11:49 AM
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Its this easy; invite her For that, you probably have to be able to talk to her for at least 5 minutes... That's my point, one step at a time. Right now, OP says "Women on give me one word responses and walk off. "
/r/seduction12/09/19 11:42 AM
4

Nice :) Yeah myself I love these little experience. But apart from it being proof that it's possible, it's not really all that educational.. but it's a good anecdote :)
/r/seduction12/09/19 11:34 AM
2

Hm, that's a pretty basic problem in your first step.. Okay so your first goal is to be able to hold a 5-10 minute conversation with a girl. Make the vibe really friendship-like, just as you would converse with a guy and/or a regular friend. After you can do this steadily, you can throw in a little flirting and/or going for numbers.
/r/seduction12/09/19 10:32 AM
4

How comfortable are you with talking to strangers in general? For ex., I liked to go to couchsurfing events, and the nice thing is that you get comfortable with people who you've only just met. Imo that's the first step towards talking to women as well: that you can have a 30min. conversation where she gets a good relaxed comfortable vibe from you.
/r/seduction12/09/19 10:18 AM
3

I don't really find lace hot. It's nice and classy and all, but I get more excited by a shiny swimsuit or something.
/r/seduction09/09/19 10:27 AM
3

Does this have to do with masturbation shaming (in some cultures)? Like deep down you feel bad because its viewed as "sad"? Because where I'm from that's totally not a thing, and I've never felt bad about watching porn, or thought it hindered my pickup (instead its an absolutely unrelated thing).
/r/seduction08/09/19 10:17 PM
1

Go on couchsurfing! plenty of events/meetings/ things to do for strangers over there.
/r/seduction05/09/19 03:20 PM
1

Right.. Yeah I wás considering that possibillity.. What made you think it?
/r/seduction04/09/19 03:06 PM
1

Check out this post from yesterday by the short asian guy.
/r/seduction04/09/19 10:21 AM
2

Apparently it isn't :) So lesson learned, add it to your experience.
/r/seduction04/09/19 09:59 AM
24

Good story! Thanks for sharing, very insightful. Btw, is RSD specifically so wrong? Their later dvd's focus on more natural game, don't they? I had only read the takeaway points by then. Can you tell a little more about what changed between your failing second year, and "I got to the point that [...] I would never leave empty handed."? I'm curious what the main thing was that made the difference :)
/r/seduction03/09/19 03:17 PM
1

Maybe chat longer to get a better feel if the date's going to be succesful? I don't feel like 20$ is all that much, but I didn't go on dates a lot, and if I did, I knew beforehand there would be a good connection, and there was a good chance the date would go and end well.
/r/seduction02/09/19 12:55 PM
3

Still, I don't get what's wrong with having a nice conversation (where both parties are having fun) over text.
/r/seduction28/08/19 02:21 PM
1

What's wrong with: "You wanna go on friday?"
/r/seduction28/08/19 08:51 AM
3

Everyone says this, but I really don't agree. Like, how are you gonna build a connection? Or how do you expect she wants to go out with you after you guys haven't texted for two weeks (while she's probably texted with others).
/r/seduction28/08/19 08:50 AM
0

Maybe ask her a question about herself, to get her talking?
/r/seduction26/08/19 02:42 PM
1

My girlfriend still listen her ex-boyfriend, and writes to him on whatsapp sometimes. So what? As long as she's not cheating... I mean are you that posessive about her that she can't talk to other people (even though they have dated before)?
/r/seduction26/08/19 01:51 PM
81

I wanna read it! But I can't, until you make the wall of text into some paragraphs!
/r/seduction26/08/19 11:52 AM
1

I don't really agree... I've often had sex on first dates. Moreover: It's usually thát, or not at all (or at the very least on the sécond date). Then it depends on what happens next, if it was a ONS, or if we'd continue to date. It might be an age thing though. I'm 36 now, and when I was <25 I remember it being usual to wait like a few weeks before having sex with a girlfriend.
/r/seduction25/08/19 12:30 PM
1

That's kind of a holy grail though, because it's hard to force yourself to not feel bad when something fails.
/r/seduction22/08/19 11:10 AM
1

Ow hehe :) I thought you were joking :)
/r/seduction22/08/19 02:09 AM
7

What?? Why not share your tips here? :P
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:23 PM
2

If these are rounded numbers, you could still have a 1.47% succes rate..
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:22 PM
2

isn't that kinda odd? Nahh, it's isn't at all (imo, and I've been doing this for years, with everyone I talk to actually) I mean it's impossible to look someone in both eyes at the same time anyway... I mean if you're talking to someone and you notice they're staring at 1 eye, isn't that kinda odd? Well, they're looking at óne of your eyes as well, so maybe try to meet their gaze.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:19 PM
3

Yeah keeping a casual conversation is another matter entirely.. I ask myself: what do I talk to friends about? But I'm not very talkative to begin with, even to friends :P
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:16 PM
4

Isn't that just weird? It might take a little getting used to, looking someone steady in the eye, but just get used to it, it's worth it.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:14 PM
1

Well, it's just a way of saying something in the lines of: Relax more, and don't forget to have fun doing it, and socializing.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:10 PM
33

Is this the female-version of a guy's third leg?
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:08 PM
4

If you see a regular friend and have a chat, what's your intention? Just to have little chat, nothing more, because it's nice have a little chat versus not speaking.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:07 PM
3

This was my realization as well Well, only the "trying doesn't work"-part.. it's super contradictory, isn't it? How can you want to do something without trying? Anyway, I do get it. And my solution is to not forget to enjoy myself anyway, and not put myself in situations where I wouldn't enjoy myself.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:05 PM
54

Pick one eye to look at, and don't switch but keep a steady gaze
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:01 PM
1

I totally agree that this sub is a bit all-over-the-place. I don't have time for it myself, but the sub could use a group of active mods who stick their heads together, and make it a nice helpful community, with a good sense of direction.
/r/seduction21/08/19 09:51 AM
6

"Playing hard to get" really works. I didn't know this until I experienced it myself: There were two girls I was both equally interested in. But over the next few weeks, the one girls kept chatting to me a lot, whereas the other barely responded. And I noticed my interest fading for the former and rising for the latter for some mysterious reason.
/r/seduction21/08/19 09:00 AM
2

No yeah, probably for a lot of others on this sub as well :) I don't mean to be negative about it.
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:36 AM
2

How long have you been on this sub? You don't think ONS-s are a thing?
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:27 AM
2

> I wouldn't start the conversation by complimenting her beauty. Well, still, you hear this a lot as a suggested opener, on this sub as well, like: "Hey, I thought you're cute and I wanted to say Hi". So you don't agree with it? I've never used it like that (I do my gaming more at night or festivals). I've always wondered how this opener would work. At least the purpose of the interaction is clear from the start. Like, she's not gonna go "Do I know this guy from somewhere? Why am I talking to hi…
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:25 AM
1

Alright man, whatever works for you!
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:07 AM
1

You're still framing sex as that the guy is doing a performance to the women, and that she has to make a judgement based on the quality. Whereas I like to view sex as an interaction between two people that's entirely dependent on both the people, how comfortable they feel with each other, etc etc.
/r/seduction20/08/19 09:37 PM
2

Well.. I mean, that makes it sound like sex is a one dimensional bad <-> good thing. Obviously you can be bad, like a beginner who has no clue to do what to do and how to enjoy himself. But after someone gets comfortable having sex, and just a little bit of experience, it becomes more a matter of how well the two people in bed are compatible with each others styles of sex, instead of how good the "quality of performance" of the guy is. Most guys vastly overrated their sexual capabilities Most gu…
/r/seduction20/08/19 11:30 AM
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Most people go on there just for hookups. Most girls-profiles have "No ONS" in them
/r/seduction20/08/19 10:12 AM
5

Get better at sex It sounds like that's not really the problem here
/r/seduction20/08/19 10:10 AM
1

Why do you feel so obliged to compliment her?
/r/seduction15/08/19 11:49 AM
2

Have a meaningful conversation first, thén if you still like her, tell her why.
/r/seduction15/08/19 11:48 AM
1

Everyone here seems to not have read "I’m not allowed to stay at her house and she’s not allowed to stay at mine." So maybe book an AirBnb for an evening or something? They have good prices, and it's okay if you don't stay the night (i've done it before). For the rest: Making out is good foreplay, so if you are in a place where you can háve sex, you're set.
/r/seduction15/08/19 10:15 AM
1

Ah right Well, sure, over a period of months it makes more sense to text weekly.. But how is not texting her for a week, after a 1st date, not a major sign of disinterest?
/r/seduction14/08/19 03:08 PM
3

Ahyeah alright.. Idunno, I read that a lot too, that you shouldn't text her as much... It's just something I don't agree with. It feels nice and natural to me to just text regularly, just to stay in touch. Doesn't have to be everyday.. depends on how much she responds. It just seems strange to advise someone to just keep quiet for a week.. What would you expect if someone doesn't text you for a week, and then suddenly wants something from you again?
/r/seduction14/08/19 02:16 PM
3

Yeah that's gonna happen.. Why would you wait a whole week before texting her again? That just doesn't make sense, a lot can happen in that time, let alone the fact that she might think you lost your interest.
/r/seduction14/08/19 01:58 PM
5

Apparently that's a thing: desensitation from masturbating to porn too much, someone else probably knows the term (edit: owyeah: deathgrip). Anyway, sorry it happens to you (both), but it's not something yóu can help, so don't get worked up about. If he wants, he can try to take it down a notch (probably takes some time though before the sensitivity comes back), or otherwise maybe just work around it by getting some sex toys or something.
/r/seduction13/08/19 02:17 PM
1

I'm not saying my way is better, just that there are different ways to approach day/nightgaming.
/r/seduction13/08/19 12:57 PM
1

> If it works for you, then keep it up. > I really believe it's the absolute best way That's my point, isn't it: We are two different people, both with a different preference and it's best to pick a method that resonates with yourself the most.
/r/seduction13/08/19 07:14 AM
1

You're in London, there must be pua/seduction/lair-groups that you can join, that meet up and go out to do daygaming and nightgaming.
/r/seduction13/08/19 07:07 AM
1

What do you mean "such as"? There are plenty, and most are pretty beginner friendly. MM is too much based on "trickery" in my opinion, it just doesn't resonate with me as others do. I like "60yearsofchallenge" the best, but also "swingcat"'s ebook.
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:02 PM
1

You can't mean this? There are plenty of other beginners-methods, there's not one gold standard.
/r/seduction12/08/19 01:03 PM
3

You have to learn to enjoy doing this. Exactly.
/r/seduction12/08/19 07:16 AM
1

Good point! But I hardly think you just mean the Mystery method do you? I'd pick the method that resonates the best with yourself.
/r/seduction12/08/19 07:14 AM
1

You're not smiling. You look alright, but your pics don't look like you'd be fun to hang out with for an evening. So just smile :) and your pics are too dark as well.
/r/seduction02/08/19 11:51 AM
1

A jumpstart for me would be something like a multi-day festival. There, I'm forced to socialize and I like to talk to women, so after doing that for a couple of days, you get the hang of it a bit, and it's easier to do it back home as well.
/r/seduction02/08/19 10:03 AM
2

> since in their mind they think That's about your frame (being not strong enough). Have you read up about framing?
/r/seduction24/07/19 02:06 PM
1

Thats why it's good to develop your own style Well yeah, that's my idea as well: you can just consume a lot of stuff, and then weed out the things that resonate with yourself.
/r/seduction23/07/19 01:59 PM
1

My favorite: 60 Years of Challenge's blog collection ​ The problem is that the first 5 pages are a bit bad, so if you wanna know it's for you, keep on reading for a bit. ​ Other stuff is good too, but never have I read something with so many epiphanies, written down so simply, which made it really inspiring.
/r/seduction23/07/19 01:57 PM
2

Obviously a 90%-95% flake-rate is not your goal, so don't you see any way of improvement?
/r/seduction17/07/19 12:53 PM
2

You can explain to her your thoughts, without the emotion of anger. And without telling her what to do or not to do.
/r/seduction17/07/19 12:21 PM
1

Exactly
/r/seduction16/07/19 09:43 AM
2

Fewer questions that are actually for /r/askseddit, fewer video posts who just want to promote their youtube channel. More field reports, more original theory, community things like meet-ups, meetings.. I don't even really know how, I'm just noticing it. How do other subs do it?
/r/seduction13/07/19 10:17 AM
1

I live in a rural area with 2 small towns nearby. I work in a small village with a lot of family tourism. Just awful gaming places. Tinder is great here, because you've got all the singles ladies within driving distance in one place.
/r/seduction13/07/19 10:12 AM
10

I might be an effect of the following: I feel this sub has kinda lost it's general sense of direction, and/or otherwise active participation. I'd love it if we got it together a bit more, make it a bit more of a community. I don't have time for it myself, but maybe others do.
/r/seduction12/07/19 02:19 PM
0

So tell me: how is there more chance to get an std if you fuck someone out of desperation, instead of it being a hottie that you pulled because of your great skills?
/r/seduction11/07/19 04:57 PM
3

What do you get the hate for exactly? I mean you can do and study pickup without your regular friends knowing about it..
/r/seduction11/07/19 11:34 AM
1

Why do people have to be judgemental about how often other people want to fuck? I mean, what's the rule anyway? Decline every 5th girl or something?
/r/seduction11/07/19 09:24 AM
0

So do you want to have a cynical little "Oohh STD's!"-comment under every post in this sub?
/r/seduction11/07/19 09:23 AM
1

Stupidly enough: the first 3-5 pages are a bit dumb, so make sure to read like 10-15 pages in, and thén see if you like it, then you can finish it. Also the part in the end about relationships ("Never get monogamous!") gets a bit negative, so just disregard that.
/r/seduction11/07/19 08:31 AM
1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e-EdBSfRPpNGhxdUVEM2xvQWwtSGJvZC1XRUJmUTV2X1lv/view?usp=drivesdk Does that work? Also there are more topics with ebooks on this you can check out.
/r/seduction10/07/19 09:13 PM
1

There's some good stuff to read, if you feel like taking the time to study it a little bit. Some ebooks have really helped and inspired me, especially "60 years of challenge" (the worst name ever).
/r/seduction10/07/19 05:11 PM
1

I was thinking the same...
/r/seduction10/07/19 11:52 AM
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Well not if you don't want to... Sorry, are we still on the same sub? Obviously OP is interested in the girl both times it happened, so getting lucky was his goal, like most guys on this sub who go out.
/r/seduction10/07/19 11:43 AM
9

... Wtf is this comment about? And why did it get so many upvotes? You'd expect a sub like this being a little more sex positive..
/r/seduction10/07/19 11:35 AM
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Don't listen to it (obviously don't force yourself on her but:) let the real communication go via her hands and actions.
/r/seduction02/07/19 02:26 PM
1

I've had a lot of converstation escalate to excanging nudes, but this was always late in the evening, when you're both relaxing, and talking about more and more sensual stuff.
/r/seduction02/07/19 02:23 PM
2

in essence there are no rules, and so nothing to learn! Exactly, just read a lot and remember what resonates with you. Like, what you get inspired by, or fits your lifestyle.
/r/seduction01/07/19 03:41 PM
2

Why are strippers somehow the highpoint of women you can date in the seduction community?
/r/seduction27/06/19 12:50 PM
5

What do...
/r/seduction25/06/19 12:59 PM
1

It doesn't mean much, she just wants to keep her freedom. Just go about as you would have without the remark.
/r/seduction25/06/19 12:03 PM
1

(I always wonder about active people on this sub:) What's the bulk of your approaches? Day vs Nightlife? Active approaches vs casual converstations?
/r/seduction20/06/19 10:32 AM
2

can it make any difference to let her know that you want to see her? Yeah, that can sound needy. Also it doesn't matter, it's all about her wanting to see you.
/r/seduction20/06/19 07:32 AM
3

Hey! This is isn't /r/tinder over here
/r/seduction20/06/19 07:30 AM
1

Yeah in that case "game" just serves as a little basic knowledge about what not to do wrong.
/r/seduction13/06/19 10:03 AM
2

You could even ask this to yourself in your head, to come up with stuff to talk about :P
/r/seduction06/06/19 09:17 AM
1

12 only 6 texted back Isn't texting heavily discouraged in this community? I know we all do it, but calling is so much better if you wanna up your game.
/r/seduction03/06/19 09:57 AM
1

How do you make that not look creepy?
/r/seduction21/05/19 10:21 AM
1

Well.. tbf, sometimes that line of thought comes from the community itself as well. Especially from commercial parties trying to sell their "magic tricks".
/r/seduction17/05/19 08:42 AM
5

A couple drinks I'll pay for, but dinner on a first date I'll definitely split. But it depends on where you're from, I guess. Safest bet is to not go on diners at first dates :P
/r/seduction15/05/19 03:19 PM
10

You do know that life doesn't equal porn, right?
/r/seduction15/05/19 03:07 PM
1

To call thát "text game" makes it sound so cool and pretentious and like it's such an "art". What I mean is just regular texting (like you would your friends) and just mind the pace of it a little bit.
/r/seduction13/05/19 01:43 PM
1

Do you really need to have "game" for this though? I just text like I would text my mates. But yeah, there are things you can adjust and calibrate, like how long to wait between messages and stuff, but you'll find that out with experience..
/r/seduction13/05/19 11:33 AM
1

/s
/r/seduction13/05/19 11:30 AM
2

You'll find out soon enough after you start messaging her on snapchat.
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:39 PM
3

A bit pessimistic... Being a Hooters waitress is just her job, do you think that makes her not wanna date normally? While it still sounds like she did it because it's her job, you'll find out soon enough after you start messaging her on snapchat.
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:38 PM
8

Reading the right (e)books can provide you with crucial information though (about concepts like framing and such).
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:00 PM
1

brutal truth that I'm not looking for a partner at the moment What?? what's brutal about that...
/r/seduction07/05/19 10:22 AM
1

Start with overt flirting? Like looking him in the eyes and like stroke/touch his arm/hand with the back of your fingers or someth. See how he responds.
/r/seduction03/05/19 02:09 PM
7

> If she doesn't reply I'm friend zoning her and moving on. Might as well just don't do anything and move on... No need to make a statement or anything, that just sounds like you worry about it too much..
/r/seduction24/04/19 08:08 AM
4

Imo, "friendzone" as a term doesn't deserves it's own word. It just means exactly the same as her losing interest.
/r/seduction18/04/19 12:02 PM
0

Interesting! Can you tell more about it?
/r/seduction11/04/19 11:30 AM
1

> Reading the shit from here is great but you won’t learn anything unless you apply it. Reading this forum is nice, but it's better to read some of the actual (e-)books. I recommend "60yearsofchallenge".
/r/seduction09/04/19 09:25 AM
5

Based on this story: What's stopping you?
/r/seduction03/04/19 09:53 AM
1

Work on your frame.
/r/seduction02/04/19 02:18 PM
8

/r/humblebrag
/r/seduction02/04/19 12:47 PM
12

lesbians are able to get each other off, and I'm pretty sure neither of them have a larger dick than you. Best one-line summary of this thread.
/r/seduction02/04/19 11:23 AM
1

You're saying this based on zero experience... If someone is into you, it's because of your personality.
/r/seduction02/04/19 11:22 AM
-1

Not the right sub, I know, but what about Tinder? Just keep liking everyone, you'll eventually get some matches.
/r/seduction01/04/19 09:41 AM
1

Sooo what's the confusion?
/r/seduction01/04/19 07:10 AM
2

Yeah, just get the basic theory, before you really know if and why you should quit. Its an interesting read, without doing any effort.. so why not. Try several books though, your first pick might not resonate with you. There are lists on this sub.
/r/seduction29/03/19 03:07 PM
2

> All they care about is looks, height, and status. That's just your frame. The whole point of learning pickup is seeing those frames, and breaking through them. Have you even read any book about pickup?
/r/seduction29/03/19 01:09 PM
3

I'm always getting compliments on my: Spicebomb by Victor & Rolf
/r/seduction28/03/19 04:29 PM
1

They work because you're forced to go out and practice talking to women, which most people can't force themselves to do. The most important thing that works is building experience. If you can go out and talk to women weekly, you're on the right track. ​ Probably a cheaper alternative to getting coached is to meet up with fellow pua's in the area (which you meet through your local forums).
/r/seduction28/03/19 03:18 PM
12

> "do you have a boyfriend/are you married?" Might as well just ask them out/to do something. Maybe they have a BF but looking for something else, or an open marriage or something..
/r/seduction26/03/19 02:41 PM
1

Aren't there Pua-forums/meetings around your area? Was a good motivator for me.
/r/seduction26/03/19 12:43 PM
3

Watching a movie on a couch together is the perfect situation (for not-so social people). There's no worrying about eye contact, or what to say or watherever. You can just take your time to: try how close you can inch towards her, and how comfortable she is with that. Don't push it, I usually don't cross the middle-line of the couch. At some point there's incidental touching, and at some later point the touching is too obvious and not incidental anymore, so then put your arm around her. Then lat…
/r/seduction21/03/19 04:00 PM
5

You're not helping...
/r/seduction21/03/19 03:54 PM
2

Yeah it's weird.. I'm not meeting them on Tinder, so where are they?
/r/seduction14/03/19 04:23 PM
-4

I'd put it in your profile text, subly. I got: "Not looking for a LTR (due to lifestyle choices). I do like to meet people, to have a drink, a laugh, or something else.)" or something...
/r/seduction14/03/19 04:22 PM
1

I really feel like I should do this more, and that it's the reason my tinder game is a little stale lately..
/r/seduction11/03/19 10:13 AM
1

I'm just curious how regularly everyone here does it.
/r/seduction04/03/19 03:32 PM
2

cold approaching which is extremely tough I was always curious about this.. It's talked about so much, but are there really a lot of guys (for example on this sub) that go out daygaming each saturday, like it's a regular thing?
/r/seduction04/03/19 02:46 PM
2

Why not do both? I'm fine using dating apps, as I live kinda rural.
/r/seduction26/02/19 12:45 PM
5

Force yourself to do it and get used to it. Remember that on a first date, you have all of your life to dig stuff to tell out of. Talk to her, like you would talk to a regular friend.
/r/seduction22/02/19 11:37 AM
1

Well it's more of a concert-place.. so it depends on what's playing.
/r/seduction15/02/19 01:53 PM
3

Seducing someone is by definition manipulative. It cán be, but it doesn't need to be. Another approach to seduction is to work on yourself, so that you "sell yourself" without manipulation needed.
/r/seduction14/02/19 11:07 AM
1

Move her between places. Like proposing to go a different place in the club or what not.
/r/seduction13/02/19 02:45 PM
2

If you don't want help, what are you doing on this sub?
/r/seduction07/02/19 08:07 AM
1

How often do you actually hear other men about it? It's more of a general stereotype, originated in different media, mostly humorously used, but nothing with a serious basis in practice or worth to actually give any serious thought.
/r/seduction06/02/19 10:59 PM
1

Just make more new pictures for Tinder (no selfies, let others make them), you're bound to get some matches eventually. If you do, have a chill talk, take your time.
/r/seduction06/02/19 10:06 PM
2

So what are you insecure about? Penis size is just another one of those false stereotypes that 90% of the girls absolutely don't care about (like money). She won't mention it if you don't.
/r/seduction06/02/19 10:00 PM
2

Girls have no high standards, other than they just want a chill guy they can relax with and have a good time. I agree this sub is becoming a bunch of bitter incels
/r/seduction06/02/19 09:59 PM
1

Thats just another one of those false stereotypes
/r/seduction06/02/19 09:56 PM
2

Or maybe the stereotypes about strippers are wrong? I've always wondered about this..
/r/seduction05/02/19 08:18 AM
2

And you're trying to warn about that or something?
/r/seduction01/02/19 05:29 PM
2

We can't have discussions anymore?
/r/seduction01/02/19 03:32 PM
1

So what else is that other than a euphemism for "I'm not romantically/sexually interested in you".
/r/seduction01/02/19 03:19 PM
1

You don't wanna defend why you think otherwise?
/r/seduction01/02/19 03:03 PM
-1

Personally, I always feel "friendzone" is an unnessecary term/concept. Even a little cringy because it's kinda nerdy to come up with all kinds of jargon-words for stuff. It just means loss of (edit:) romantic interest, so just call it that.
/r/seduction01/02/19 02:45 PM
2

It gets better with experience..
/r/seduction30/01/19 04:13 PM
1

doesn't really know me. All the more reason to get to know each other better over a coffee.. Should I just go for it within the first couple of messages? I'm thinking maybe after like 20-30 mins or something?
/r/seduction24/01/19 08:36 AM
2

Don't mention "friends with benefits", but mention the other implications like: "I don't feel like having a relationship. I'd like to meet up again though, if you want".
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:41 AM
2

punctuationgore I'm sorry, I'm lost, what is this about?
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:34 AM
1

“Can I” isn’t dominant. Yeah, but she's shy, and obviously interested, why would you still want to keep up the dominant frame..
/r/seduction18/01/19 07:58 AM
-3

Yeah, I wish I had the same experiences :P
/r/seduction17/01/19 07:32 PM
24

In my experience (35m) either it happens on the first date, or it never does..
/r/seduction17/01/19 04:21 PM
1

"Can I kiss you?"
/r/seduction17/01/19 11:28 AM
12

Invite someone for some 1-on-1 thing. I wouldn't call it a date, idunno, study together, go someone to help you shop for clothes. But when you're together, you can start flirting using the other tips in this thread.
/r/seduction17/01/19 09:38 AM
5

could *have This mistake is becoming more and more common, we have to stop it in its tracks
/r/seduction17/01/19 08:14 AM
5

In this sub, "nice guy" means something negative by definition almost. But both "nice guys" and "bad boys" might put up an act (play games), which is both bad. If by "being yourself" you mean you are yourself with confidence, and are a chilled out and decent person, that's only good.
/r/seduction16/01/19 01:11 PM
7

Yeah I was only referring to the last (quoted) paragraph. Okay maybe you have a point there.. And yeah I agree with your first point: with seduction it's a constant calibration between following the rules and abandoning them.
/r/seduction16/01/19 09:49 AM
17

Last one is totally wrong. Unless she is coming straight over for Netflix and chill, then DEFINITELY call it a date. Don’t leave things ambiguous and give her an easy out to friendzone you. Also gain major advantage over all the guys who don’t call it a date. I’ve never heard this one before and it sounds really dumb. If you don’t have the balls to call it a date, then work more on your game. Good points, but I don't agree with the hard line you're drawing. Imo an ambiguous evening of 1-on-1 tim…
/r/seduction16/01/19 09:40 AM
1

Get her number. I do this to get her on Whatsapp... but yeah if you guys don't do whatsapp, then sure, get her FB/insta.
/r/seduction16/01/19 09:35 AM
5

I used to be like you. Here's how you get over it. Isn't he saying he's succesful?
/r/seduction15/01/19 07:55 AM
1

Good write up :)
/r/seduction15/01/19 07:54 AM
10

Fact: some girls are never single, they just changeover bf's.
/r/seduction11/01/19 09:38 AM
1

I get matches but dates are hard to come by. Allright, yeah it's weird. With me it goes: Not every match responds responds to my opening. But when they do, they're usually up for a coffee as well (why else would they talk to someone on Tinder).
/r/seduction10/01/19 04:12 PM
0

Just curious: Do you do Tinder as well? Some say it's kind of a crutch, but it works okay for me.
/r/seduction10/01/19 03:46 PM
3

Yeah. Ofcourse personal development cán help with your confidence (which is why a lot of people do it), but it's a lot of work and takes time, so it doesn't hurt to first try, for example, the "fake it till you make it"-approach or something.
/r/seduction10/01/19 01:33 PM
1

Probably at some point.. I'm not with thát many women, but when I'm with someone and I'm at the point of staring into each others' eyes I'm usually good.
/r/seduction10/01/19 08:33 AM
8

You're saying this, but: There are tons of guys that got they're shit together, except for this one factor: women. I think it's a bit of a stretch and a generalization to blame most guys' failures on the things in your post..
/r/seduction10/01/19 08:06 AM
4

Simple tip (i've learned early on, but keep remembering it): Pick one of her eyes, left or right, and hold steady eye contact with it. It's natural for people to switch between left or right now and then, but switching too much communicates nervousness, and not switching at all is a little shortcut to seem a little more confident (and she won't notice if you keep your eye at her same eye).
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:35 PM
1

The point is not to stare too much, regardless if she's looking back. Just to not be the first to break eye contact.
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:31 PM
1

Don't 'death stare' a girl Yeah but for that to happen, doesn't she have to "death-stare" you back first?
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:30 PM
7

I think there are a lot of people who have their life sorted out otherwise, but are still anxious around girls.. you don't have to be depressed for that.
/r/seduction09/01/19 08:06 AM
2

Who says everyone is suffering?
/r/seduction09/01/19 08:04 AM
2

we show up to a bar and don't know each other. You know what this means; You have a lifetime of stories to tell! Just remember all the good stuff you've ever done, make a top 10, and start talking about the greatest stuff that ever happened to you in your life.
/r/seduction08/01/19 02:38 PM
8

It doesn't sound like very eye-opening stuff.. The summary just mentiones all the open doors, and I guess you have to read the book to actually learn from it. Do people here know and/or like the stuff by "60 years of challenge"? He just knows how to break it down to the core really well.
/r/seduction05/01/19 01:42 PM
7

Asking the real questions...
/r/seduction05/01/19 01:37 PM
2

Does no-one suggest doing day-gaming? (I was wondering if that was still a thing)
/r/seduction04/01/19 11:37 AM
0

It happens a lot.. It's like the upvoters and the commenters are two completely separate groups of redditors..
/r/seduction01/01/19 04:34 PM
4

harass me into a man. Has that ever worked on someone?
/r/seduction01/01/19 04:33 PM
2

Sounds like the older trends of emo and goth though
/r/seduction31/12/18 11:51 AM
1

Good point I like "Sixty years of challenge"'s way of simplifying things.
/r/seduction30/12/18 07:08 PM
2

In my experience, seduction in general is about calibrating between "follow the rules" and "fuck the rules".
/r/seduction30/12/18 07:07 PM
1

Yeah sometimes I do that too. At the moment i'm keeping the conversation on Tinder until a first date.. but maybe I should've gotten her number already, idunno, sometimes it both works.
/r/seduction21/12/18 03:18 PM
7

In my experience: If we matched, and she's responding for more than a couple of messages, the hardest part is done. I just keep chatting like I would a regular friend, relax and have a little fun. Then between 1 day and a week, bring up that we should have a drink together. They're always up for it, because why else are you chatting anyway. The way I see it: with the chatting, it's not so much important to say stuff to create attraction, it's more important to not say stuff that fucks it up. Kin…
/r/seduction21/12/18 09:54 AM
1

Yeah I feel like seduction is a constant calibration between "Follow the rules" and "fuck the rules".
/r/seduction20/12/18 08:07 AM
2

I always considered the gym to be a good setting to talk to girls (because you already share a common thing, whereas in the streets you're complete strangers). Not to "flirt and hit on her" like in a club, but just to make contact in a friendly way, and if she responds well, who knows where it can lead. (Not that I talk to girls in the gym, but I don't daygame as well).
/r/seduction19/12/18 09:54 AM
1

Allright, sounds good :) How long since your previous "you" and what has happened to become as you are now?
/r/seduction18/12/18 08:14 PM
1

Okay yeah, sounds like good "end goal" allright.
/r/seduction18/12/18 07:13 PM
3

Well then, what does that say about me doing so well... Nah I'm definitely not in the top 20%.. However sometimes I do check my pictures with female friends to rate them, which has helped. I think how well Tinder works differs massively which area you're in. I live in the north of the Netherlands, it works allright here.
/r/seduction18/12/18 07:11 PM
1

It doesn’t come off as genuine, and is honestly very creepy, especially if they confront you later on about what you were doing out and about. I thought some people even prefer daygaming to nightgaming, no? approaching girls in appropriate environment What do you mean by this then? Just in regular daily life, i guess?
/r/seduction18/12/18 07:08 PM
2

Ah yeah I see Tinder just as a way to meet girls, just as going out is. There might be a difference in "quality", but I'm happy with what I'm getting on Tinder, so I'm good. I do understand that Tinder doesn't do much to improve my game, whereas going out does. But like I said, I'm good.
/r/seduction18/12/18 05:44 PM
8

stop with PUA bullshit read the sidebar. that literally says: learn to be a pickup artist (PUA) (okay you probably mean the one from old reddit layout)
/r/seduction18/12/18 03:07 PM
3

Nice man :) some epiphany I had about first dates: The amount of stuff you can talk about should be enormous, as you have a lifetime of things that happened to you, that you haven't talk to her about. Like, just make a top 10 of the coolest stuff that has happened to you ever. Be sure to have a fun time together. A good eye-contact tip: choose one of her eyes, and keep looking at that steadily, instead of switching between both.
/r/seduction18/12/18 08:22 AM
2

Could have gone bad either way, so you never know. But still: "if she just didn't want anything, she could just tell me straight to the face". This is always the case anyway, so there wasn't any reason to say it. If it's not necesary, there is no real reason to give her an opening to make a definitive decision about your relationship and risk breaking it up. Just leave it open, see what happens. Especially in this case where you say you're fine with being friends, it means you'd be fine either w…
/r/seduction14/12/18 02:46 PM
1

Seduction is a constant calibration between following the rules and forgetting them.
/r/seduction14/12/18 02:32 PM
1

It's always talked about in youtube-videos, but I wonder how common and normal daygaming really is. Like do a lot of people here do it regularly? Like it's something you just have to get into, and after that it feels totally normal? Or is it a rare thing that only die-hard pua-people do?
/r/seduction13/12/18 04:11 PM
1

Yeah, I meant that some people confuse "nice" with "being their slave"
/r/seduction12/12/18 05:36 PM
4

Dude, format your writing. No one's gonna read this wall of text...
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:39 PM
1

That's strange to read... I would think the fact that you made out and that she's at your place seriously implies that you both know that you both want sex, right? Like an unwritten rule. Soo, considering it's probably in the bag at this point, I'd just suggest: to regain the momentum, start making out again, prefferably standing so you can feel her up more and more. And after like a minute of warming her (and each other) up, walk her to the bedroom.
/r/seduction12/12/18 01:07 PM
1

Maybe retreating gums isn't a problem until you get around 35 and older..
/r/seduction12/12/18 09:05 AM
3

I don't care if it's risky for you; you're being a complete asshole to her! Anyway: get the condom brand MySize, and find out what size you have (they have 7 sizes). Since I've done that, I have no problems with condoms anymore.
/r/seduction12/12/18 08:36 AM
2

Or not nice as in: spending a lot of money or holding her door all the time.
/r/seduction12/12/18 08:28 AM
2

50% of them say some variation of "Hey, what's up?" I do this, but what's so bad about it, honestly? It functions more as a small check to see if she's there, and willing to respond, I guess. If she goes "Fine, you?", then I'll start the real converstation. I haven't really noticed a difference in response rate between a generic: "Hey, <Name> :) How are you?" on the one hand, and something specific about her profile on the other hand.
/r/seduction12/12/18 08:17 AM
2

Ow right, wauw.. :P Where do you live? Also: the right pictures go a long way as well, I believe. For one, apparently selfies aren't the best. The other day I let my neighbor take like 10-12 pictures of me in the sun in a buttoned shirt, and then sent them to some of my female friends to rate them. Also posting your pics in the "Rate my profile" thread on /r/tinder works well.
/r/seduction12/12/18 08:11 AM
1

Can you also add punctuation plz?
/r/seduction11/12/18 12:18 PM
0

I am not rich or good looking. Aren't the first rules of pickup that money and looks are not important?
/r/seduction11/12/18 08:54 AM
2

My gums are black and blue from bleding because I brush too hard. Ow mann quickly get an electric brush! Preferably a phillips sonicare.
/r/seduction11/12/18 08:52 AM
0

Hey man, sorry to hear! How you're going to feel better soon. But I wondered: Is Tinder so bad? Were I live it works kinda well (Netherlands). You don't have to be that good looking to get matches, and if you get matches, there's always a few girls/women who keep talking to you, and wanna meet. If you feel like that's work, you can even get Tinder Gold, so you see who swiped right on you. I'm saying this because I sometimes was in the same boat, before there was Tinder (or Badoo and such). But s…
/r/seduction11/12/18 08:50 AM
1

Haven't followed RSD recently, but I always thought they tried to shake of the gimmickyness, and focus on more grounded things (so to speak, hard to explain). But I can't speak for their marketing techniques or business models.
/r/seduction07/12/18 03:25 PM
1

No, Sziget, in Budapest, Hungary.
/r/seduction07/12/18 01:51 PM
1

There's no harm in trying to actually meet.. until then, it sounds like a catfish situation
/r/seduction07/12/18 01:17 PM
2

Which ones?
/r/seduction07/12/18 12:33 PM
1

Is that still a good recommendation? I mean is it still up-to-date and such?
/r/seduction07/12/18 12:13 PM
2

I thought "Models" was the go-to recommendation here.. My personal recommendation is the stuff by "60yearsofchallenge". It's hard to find though, because what kind of name is that (can be written/abbreviated in dozens of ways)..
/r/seduction07/12/18 10:53 AM
1

"the book" What, the phase 1 actions book?
/r/seduction06/12/18 05:10 PM
1

phase 1 actions What's that? Also: You're saying he should spend his free 4 weeks (that he wants do spend on improving his pickup) not even talking to a single girl? Doesn't make sense to me..
/r/seduction06/12/18 04:09 PM
1

Nah: fake it till you make it
/r/seduction06/12/18 09:43 AM
1

Don't forget to watch porn though: https://www.medicaldaily.com/why-you-should-watch-porn-date-how-sexual-priming-helps-build-interactions-414825
/r/seduction06/12/18 09:43 AM
1

Good program. Especially the fact that you do it daily prevents you from falling back (like what happens for instance when you do it only in the weekends), and should enable progression. So yeah whatever you do OP, keep us posted.
/r/seduction06/12/18 09:41 AM
1

Yeah me too, I'm 35. I'm seeing my friends in the weekend and am on Tinder/Happn/etc during the week, and I can't complain, usually I got something going on. (not that I'm getting laid every week, but there's never more than a month in between).
/r/seduction06/12/18 09:39 AM
2

Idunno, he has 4 weeks of spare time to put to work. A lot can be done if you spend it right. For example, I go to this week long festival each year with daily interactions with a lot of women, and the fact that you do it daily helps a lot with progression.
/r/seduction06/12/18 09:36 AM
2

I got it from this guy "Sixtyyearsofchallenge": https://www.scribd.com/doc/204267955/60-Years-of-Challenge-60-Years-of-Challenge-Blog-Bookos-z1-Org I can't find the exact passage, but it's about "mutual caressing" (you can do a search). All his stuff is good anyway, if you have the time to read it. About what I said specifically: Yeah how do you do it naturally.. I don't know, it's just caressing, you can start lightly by just grabbing her pinky softly, see how she reacts. It's kind of an overt …
/r/seduction04/12/18 09:43 PM
2

Start grabbing/playing with her fingers and hand and such. It's a solid indicator: She pulls her hand back: no deal. She does nothing: you go on, maybe start touching her arms as well. She returns the playing: boom, you're in.
/r/seduction04/12/18 02:55 PM
11

Bring something up. But what? Just anything you'd text to a friend or colleague works (for me). Like a picture of what you're cooking, or what you saw in a store, or that you just finished going to the gym, some funny thing that's on tv etc etc. And yeah as others are saying: don't wait too long to go like "Hey! Let's meet up / get a coffee / drink"
/r/seduction04/12/18 11:08 AM
1

Isn't there a local seduction/pua-group forum in your city? If you're with more, you can entice each other. Also I like to practice these sort of things where they're more normal, like on a festival. Then you get into the spirit of it, and maybe try it on a lot of other occasions.
/r/seduction04/12/18 08:17 AM
1

Is this that important? Personally I wouldn't overthink the clothes you wear. Like, it might become a crutch. I'd focus on developing your personality and behavior around women even despite what you wear.
/r/seduction29/11/18 10:28 AM
1

But just after she feel confortable with you Exactly. I'd wait until the whole seduction-part is over, and you're already looking straight at them.
/r/seduction27/11/18 03:38 PM
9

Be cool about it. As of the moment she sent the message she thought of you as a regular friend. During your night out anything can happen, you can tease a little, have fun, who knows what happens, just respect it if she doesn't respond to flirts. And if you're not up for a potentially regular night out as a friend (because the drive's too long or whatever), then don't go.
/r/seduction27/11/18 03:31 PM
1

What's the confusion? You don't believe she actually doesn't wanna kiss on a first date?
/r/seduction26/11/18 04:32 PM
3

Ow right! Yeah that sounds bugged..
/r/seduction19/11/18 08:49 AM
19

Imo, Tinder is even the least bad of all the free dating apps. Just use your daily swipes, it's not so bad. > I can't view them, even though it says I have matches. Don't you mean it says that you have "likes"? That's tricky, I had that before. It just might mean you were liked at some other location, or that you were liked, and afterwards she moved like 100km elsewere. Anyway; you matched at some point in the past, but at the moment you're not in each other's range anymore.
/r/seduction19/11/18 08:40 AM
12

Despite all my sex ed., I wanted to have known before my first time: Get every square millimeter of the contact area between your dick and her pussy wet. The smallest dry patch could result in painful friction, I remember. It depends on how wet she gets ofcourse.. and a little oral ofcourse helps a lot. Also guys tend to underestimate how low the pussy-entrance really is. If you're doing missionary, you have to really get her knees up quite high, to get a good entrance. Fingering tip: Try differ…
/r/seduction12/11/18 04:38 PM
3

Yeah it's weird how people feel about that... I've never felt that masturbation impacted anything related to my dating in anyway whatsoever. I never saw watching porn as an alternative to going out to talk to women. Might as well tell people to stop gaming, netflixing, carpenting or any other way of spending time as well.
/r/seduction08/11/18 10:03 PM
1

Ahyeah sadly relatable... I never understand these things either. Is it worth me waiting a week or so and suggesting we go on another date since the first was so fun just to see if it could lead anywhere? Waiting a week before texting is good. But I wouldn't "dwell on the past" too much. So don't say "remember how fun the first date was?", but focus on the now&future. So check up on her, see if she's interested to meet again. There's a slight change she thinks differently about things.. But sadl…
/r/seduction08/11/18 03:37 PM
11

This a good answer. Lot's of girls are never single, they just jump from relationship to relationship.
/r/seduction08/11/18 03:07 PM
1

Maybe get a coach? there is some controversy around which datingcoaches are good.. but you might as well try different ones.
/r/seduction07/11/18 03:21 PM
3

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22escalation+is+attractive%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
/r/seduction29/10/18 09:56 AM
17

TL;DR?
/r/seduction11/10/18 03:05 PM
0

the internet is crawling with assholes. Try posting a few gaming-related youtube videos... it's like moths to a flame
/r/seduction08/10/18 07:15 AM
–

Asking for a friend
/r/seduction08/10/18 07:13 AM
4

I learned a lot from the "Blueprint Decoded" videos, seemed really genuine. Thought the other videos were good as well. But this was like 10-15 years ago, so I don't know how they keep up their business model nowadays. Anyway, what's the TL;DW on this one?
/r/seduction02/10/18 09:53 AM
1

My theory is that boyfriend-jokes are the origin of dad-jokes. Like: when you're bf and gf, you like each other anyway, so she laughes about everything he says, which only makes his jokes go down the drain. After the first kids are there, they in turn laugh about everything because they like their dad. So how's this relevant: Dad-jokes are a good probe to see if she likes you, despite the dumb jokes.
/r/seduction27/09/18 09:27 AM
0

It's still impressive.. But yeah he could be an expert in those rules.
/r/seduction27/09/18 09:20 AM
4

Instead of trying to pick up a woman whom you just saw or met, you try to make her feel a bit happier through the interaction with you. Coincidently, isn't that exactly what "to pick someone up" means in british english?
/r/seduction26/09/18 07:53 AM
1

I don't see anything about the 80/20 rule in that article..
/r/MGTOW25/09/18 03:08 PM
1

> it's just fun. That's why you were doing those things when you were single. Exactly, I never understand why guys change their behavior... where you putting on an act before?
/r/TheRedPill25/09/18 09:57 AM
2

Don’t stop gaming her, even when you think the deal is done. I got comfortable with knowing she was into me and I stopped being the funny, cocky, busy guy who got her in the first place. As I look through my texts with her the past month I am cringing at how I just stopped gaming, I was asking her boring questions like ‘wyd this evening’ and asking her what she had for dinner. Ffs Dull! Compare at the start it was all teasing, jokes, innuendos, electricity was flying. This sounds like at the sta…
/r/seduction25/09/18 07:37 AM
6

Then, the girl just wants to be a friend. Does she? In my experience you can go romantic-mode anytime. Friendzone really doesn't exist, she's either interested or not.
/r/seduction14/09/18 07:19 AM
1

two or three messages later Isn't that like in two minutes?
/r/seduction13/09/18 09:11 PM
2

I thought they were legit, but haven't followed them in like 5 years. ​ Apparantly a lot of people don't recommend them, so follow-up question: What are better alternatives?
/r/seduction13/09/18 12:09 PM
0

Yeah just hit her up.. I do it all the time with old contacts. "Hey, <Name>, how are you? I've cooked this and this, pretty happy with how it turned out :) what about you"
/r/seduction13/09/18 07:38 AM
3

You have surplus of comment-karma, do you?
/r/seduction13/09/18 07:32 AM
11

Yeah.. it's just a way of approaching the situation. Obviously I prefer a festival with friends (they just don't like DnB), it's just that I like to do stuff on my own as well. And in thát situation I like the benefit of having the freedom to walk where I want when I want (instead of having to drag people along) with nobody giving a shit.
/r/seduction12/09/18 12:30 PM
98

Sometimes I go on my own to festivals, and I think of this. More specifically: When I was younger, I always wanted to be invisible, so I could do what I wanted without anyone giving a shit. Walking around on my own on a festival really gives this feeling of having the power of invisibillity, that absolute freedom.
/r/seduction12/09/18 07:09 AM
6

I always thought him too "gimmicky"
/r/seduction07/09/18 02:05 PM
1

Personally, it depends on my "social state", which can change slowly and can vary between weeks/months. For instance, in the summer I'm more happy and active than in the winter. And after a long festival I'm much more social than after a long period with barely any parties. So anyway: After a long winter, my social state is barely existent, and all I do is gaming, working, and getting drunk with friends, and I haven't met anyone new in months. In this case I really have to push myself to talk to…
/r/seduction07/09/18 11:28 AM
1

All the "me too's" : Let me show you the way to /r/me_irl Maybe OP should do a x-post there as the confession bear.
/r/seduction07/09/18 11:20 AM
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It's not that easy.. I like a little system
/r/seduction05/09/18 07:31 AM
2

As others said, it's not nessecary to say anything. > I only have trouble once I know she is into me and wants me to make a move. If you're thinking "Should I kiss her?" you can probably already kiss her ( -Neill Strauss). Just put your hand on her waist, dance a little, kiss. If you're not sure, and you make a move to find out, check this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/9aj151/joking_around_light_touching_as_we_chat_but_dont/e4wsrji/
/r/seduction31/08/18 07:23 AM
3

Good stuff :) Sounds like the Jim & Pam relationship :P
/r/seduction30/08/18 10:15 AM
2

get number. I dunno how, just casually, like you wanna show her what food you're cooking, or send some other pic. continue the talk. at some point make ambiguous teasing remarks. If she goes along with this, the tone of your conversation is sexual. Then send like a pic of your shirt lifted up a bit... see what she sends back, and how far you can go. profit
/r/seduction29/08/18 11:53 AM
1

Read this, then let me know what you think. (make sure to read at least 6 pages, it gets better after the first 4) I think it's really gold. (except for the later rant about relationships) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e-EdBSfRPpUFJOZ2RWaTg5aTQ/view?usp=sharing
/r/seduction29/08/18 08:02 AM
1

It's just that friendzone as a concept doesn't exist. What you mean is, she just loses interest, okay fair enough. But my point is: "friendzone" is not a relevant or useful word/concept in discussions about seduction, because it doesn't specify anything signicant, usually it's just the girl losing interest.
/r/seduction28/08/18 10:34 AM
1

Ow wait, I still got the pdf, golden stuff (except in the end, when he goes on a rant about being (non-)monogamous). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4e-EdBSfRPpUFJOZ2RWaTg5aTQ/view?usp=sharing
/r/seduction28/08/18 08:45 AM
4

Check out 60yearsofchallenge's work. Very simple and effective. His key points regarding this: "Hands don't lie". While standing/walking/sitting, grab like her little finger. If she pulls back: red light, try again later. If she doesn't pull back: orange light. Then grab more fingers or her whole hand. So she doesn't pull her hand back: start caressing like the inside of her palm, or her lower arm. Now here's the thing: If she starts caressing back: Green light, it's on, you're done. The point h…
/r/seduction27/08/18 11:34 AM
3

Aww come on man! I was just there last weekend (after Sziget...) Anyway, I had some good luck via Tinder there. Didn't nightgame as much.
/r/seduction24/08/18 02:21 PM
0

Yeah I should specify: It's not really about long term best friends who know each other through and through. But it's about guys being worried they've landed in the friendzone after knowing each other for a short while.
/r/seduction24/08/18 10:27 AM
1

Good write-up :) Sounds like me as well. I kinda do this on festivals (the week long Sziget in Budapest the other week), but there's no reason I shouldn't do it more in daily life.
/r/seduction24/08/18 09:07 AM
1

Good to hear. Do you have more examples?
/r/seduction24/08/18 07:42 AM
1

Ah yeah, not a lot of logic to it sometimes... they feel how they feel (same as you feel how you feel, without a logical reason sometimes)
/r/seduction23/08/18 01:33 PM
1

I think OP's would be pretty satisfied though if the date ends up in kissing. His intentions are both made clear and satisfied (for the moment). ​ What happens after that is just how well OP & girl click, not much to do about it.
/r/seduction23/08/18 01:07 PM
2

If you have a strong desire for her, best to let her know how you feel rather than keeping it in. I wouldn't burden her with that, in the case she's not into him back. It just adds extra drama to the friendly relationship. In the case that she is into OP, Op can find out by flirting (see my post) and what not.
/r/seduction23/08/18 12:53 PM
2

11% (roughly) of people that go on dates that actually get into a relationship. Sounds a bit low.. maybe that's just for actual relationships? I think a higher percentage of dates ends in at least a little kissing.
/r/seduction23/08/18 12:50 PM
1

doesn't mean she's interested in your romantically Right now, she might not be at all, but this can change after a nice fun afternoon at the State fair. You know, after spending time together, building a little connection.
/r/seduction23/08/18 12:34 PM
1

I’m worried that she might not see it as a date, but rather just us hanging out as friends. Don't worry! In my experience, hanging out as friends and nothing more, is the perfect way to end the day in a romantic way. Idunno, I feel like: If I hang out with a girl, and try to be flirty with her, I sense the atmosphere becoming tense, and she distances herself. Whereas: I've had the best success where I've been like a regular friend all afternoon/evening, and we build a little friendly connection,…
/r/seduction23/08/18 12:30 PM
2

Idunno... I guess you gotta find your own way. I read and saw a lot of seduction advice, and some stuff was definately insightfull (RSD, 60Seconds). About framing for example, you don't make that up yourself: you read about it, and then you understand it, and it clicks. ​ Moreover: Some seduction advice is exactly equal to what your friend is saying. ​ It's good to read up about it, just make sure the tips and advice "click" with yourself, instead of mindlessly doing what someone says.
/r/seduction23/08/18 08:56 AM
1

Hey if you wanna meet for a hunt next week, hit me up :P
/r/seduction02/08/18 11:58 AM
1

It's great, because I need a few days to get in the mood of a festival, and usually a festival is over after 3 days, but with Sziget, you're just getting started by then.
/r/seduction01/08/18 12:24 PM
5

Ahh good write up! love it. It's kinda how I did things (with way fewer results..), but nice to see some things confirmed, and others dismissed. But yeah what resonates is what I thought of to be the "fountain of joy", spreading it around. Next week Sziget, 7 days of practicing this stuff >:)
/r/seduction31/07/18 03:14 PM
2

Hostels is the best answer. Everyone's in the same boat. You talk to everyone there, you get a group going to go out, there you go.
/r/seduction24/07/18 08:16 AM
5

Your first paragraph makes a good point. I (too) feel like you want to get your communication so natural, that it feels normal (for the other person) that you're talking to her. Like talking to a person from the same city (or country or planet) is as normal as talking to a person of the same family, or friend-group. However don't your examples kinda contradict that? With the inline greetings, I mean.. maybe it's cultural differences.
/r/seduction24/07/18 08:13 AM
3

A lot of normal girlfriends have been totally desperate.. sometimes people just find each other.
/r/seduction02/07/18 08:59 AM
4

There we go... There's the old TRP as we know it!
/r/TheRedPill21/06/18 07:53 AM
1

That's an important viewpoint / frame to keep in mind when doing this.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/18 07:38 AM
1

I can relate, that's why hard-to-get works, doesn't it? I think it's because of the tension, that that creates the excitement.
/r/seduction14/05/18 02:11 PM
1

So what are these people I know doing differently? They are different. It's very hard to change who you are, so if you're social by nature you don't have to do all that.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:54 AM
2

Do you know that bundle of blogposts by 60-years-of-challenge or wathever unpractical name he calls himself, but that's amazing as well. Clear-cut, down to earth.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:26 AM
1

If you're realllly unsure about her interest level, and are affraid about coming across as creepy, you can even grab her pinky (little finger). Then maybe another finger, or start gently stroking the wrist, lower/upper arm. Bear in my mind: These escalating flirtation can also create interest. I.e. If you were afraid she wasn't interested before the touching, you might have been right.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:21 AM
1

Yeah but what about the girl getting turned off by too much small talk
/r/seduction22/04/18 04:52 PM
1

Well yeah, that was basically the idea. ánd to not make it sound like a copy/pasted message.
/r/seduction20/04/18 01:56 PM
2

😏 geniaal... ik dacht idd nog, hé de kans is best groot dat hij/zij evenzogoed nederlands is. Maar goeien, ik neem het mee.
/r/seduction20/04/18 11:43 AM
1

Hm.. but I'm dutch.. but good tip, I can think about alternatives
/r/seduction20/04/18 11:17 AM
1

Thanks for the input :) So what's your take on what some other guy said, namely: No small talk between dates unless she initiates it. The phone is for setting dates. A lot of women will be turned off if you don’t escalate once they’ve given a non verbal cue that they’re open and will be receptive to it. I’m close friends with a woman who also uses tinder and we discuss this all the time. I'd like to know about the middle ground between these opposite viewpoints.
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:13 AM
0

What more do you wanna know?
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:08 AM
1

a man who can cook is such a turn on. Ah yeah could be! But it wasn't exactly my point: Even if you send her a pic of just any small thing you're frying, the message is that you have joy in life in cooking even the simplest stuff (and wanna share that with her).
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:06 AM
2

No small talk between dates unless she initiates it. I read this sometimes, but I don't really get it. Before a first date, I like to get to know each other a little, having shared funny stories n such.
/r/seduction19/04/18 05:52 PM
2

Yeah, that's what I do as well. Basically any funny thing you tell your friends, or coworkers in the break room, I'd also send to girls.
/r/seduction19/04/18 05:49 PM
6

Nah, just send a pic of what you're cooking, or a funny thing that you're seeing in a shop, or on tv.. If it's annoying, you'll notice it after, by her not responding. If she doesn't respond, try it one more time a couple days later, then quit it. To assume it's annoying is the wrong "frame" anyway. Imo, the right frame is: you're having a joyful moment, and you wanna share it with her.
/r/seduction19/04/18 05:43 PM
1

Nah, just send a pic of what you're cooking, or a funny thing that you're seeing in a shop, or on tv.. If it's annoying, you'll notice it after, by her not responding. If she doesn't respond, try it one more time a couple days later, then quit it. To assume it's annoying is the wrong "frame" anyway. Imo, the right frame is: you're having a joyful moment, and you wanna share it with her.
/r/seduction19/04/18 05:42 PM
2

What /u/ghlibisk said.. most seduction material works perfectly both ways.
/r/seduction16/04/18 10:38 AM
1

It's not even that hard.. I go twice a week for 45mins, and even that is helping. Not really externally visible, but for my health and feeling.
/r/TheRedPill12/04/18 01:45 PM
2

No I mean: So what if you talk to girls a lot? Like I said, see it as a test about your frame. Don't let the frame be: "weirdo who approaches girls" but: "Social guy who's comfortable and chatty with a lot of people, including girls".
/r/seduction11/04/18 07:05 AM
2

you'll immediately be tagged as the weirdo who approaches girls Just interpret it as a test how well you can hold up your frame.
/r/seduction10/04/18 03:32 PM
3

As women are insulted by the advances of beta males Is this the source of the grudgy saltyness in this sub? "Fuck women, because they treated me as a beta-male badly once". I'd say get over it.. If a woman is insulted by an advance of anyone, just ignore it and talk to the next one.
/r/TheRedPill26/03/18 12:20 PM
1

Ahyeah okay sure. But still, refer to that second part about "eye for an eye" making no sense in itself.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/17 01:40 PM
1

that would be: "You accuse me of rape, I accuse you of rape!" furthermore, "an eye for an eye" doesn't work in good justice system if you think about it. It's kind of medieval actually. And without it, it's not that hard to find a fitting punishment anyway. What, you want a rapist to also get raped, and be done with it?
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/17 01:31 PM
1

If the "victim" is going to ruin someone's life because they're a piece of shit then they should get the same punishment they would have bestowed upon the guilty party. Does that not make sense? How is that logical? Being accused of rape is a very serious thing that has consequences for the rest of someone's life, and being raped is a very serious thing that has consequences for the rest of someone's life also. But both in totally different ways, so it doesn't make sense that the punishment shou…
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/17 12:59 PM
3

Isn't lying about someone committing a crime just as bad as the crime being committed, generally speaking? There's really no logic to it. And what's wrong with judging the crimes independently?
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/17 11:43 AM
6

Being raped, and being accused of rape are two different things, and the perpetrators should be judged accordingly, independently. There's no logic in linking punishments for the two crimes.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/17 11:26 AM
0

I always think that's the worst: The use of the word "rape" in the term "statutory rape" (regardless of which gender does it). Please, only use it for an action that's at least forced. Exactly to clear up these kind of confusions.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/07/17 08:54 AM
3

Since Tinder, sex can hardly be used by women as a power move anymore.
/r/TheRedPill25/04/17 11:32 AM
0

I'm curious: how does that work in your country? (USA I presume) What are your minimal obligations (if you're the biological father), can't you just not-accept the child?
/r/TheRedPill02/03/17 12:42 PM
0

I'm always bothered by this terminology... Statutory rape is not the same as real rape, so don't call it that! Ofc its illegal because of the unaccountibillity of childrens' decision making and a host of other reasons, but its fundamentally different from the traumatising, torture-like experience of actual rape.
/r/MensRights18/01/17 11:46 PM
-1

My problem is always that they call it (some form of) rape. Sex with minors is wrong, but rape is totally different thing.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/09/16 08:51 AM
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