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Again, why do you value female innocents over male innocents? If these kinds of cases become a he-said-she-said, you have to make a compelling claim why her recollection is more valid than his. The legal system works on individual cases, not population statistics, so simply saying "women get raped more" does not help
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:00 AM
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This is incredibly rare, whereas real cases of rape that fail to get prosecuted due to lack of evidence are extremely common. So because it's rare, we should design a legal system that ignores the possibility, or even perversely encourages bad actors? If "I was afraid" rape convictions becomes less rare and more common, what then? Course-correct? Stop believing women? Or continue to adjudicate a serious crime on the basis of the woman's "fear" at any arbitrary point in time in the future? Also t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:27 AM
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This has happened, there are court cases where the woman says she was afraid or uncomfortable, describes her state during the sex act, and then the guy had a hidden camera and she's enthusiastically having porn star sex with him, super engaged and participating in the act. Of course not all claims of "coerced sex" look like this, but shouldn't we have a system that protects the innocent men who could get railroaded by this flimsy standard of "she said yes but was afraid on the inside"? Or do tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:14 AM
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Decade+ working at hedge fund
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:12 AM
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More or less the plot of "Brave New World" early in the book. The whole society is full of looksmaxxers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:21 PM
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My networth crossed $10M this year which is awesome. But I still find it repulsive how much cishet dating is revolving around the guy showing his interest by spending money. I would really like to go on walking dates, or coffee dates, or to a $30 show at a music venue. You get to know someone so much better than sitting across a white tablecloth at Nobu. But that's "dusty" now. And the grand irony is that I can fly me and the woman first class to Lake Como tomorrow, but why would I do that with …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:18 PM
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I’ve never made that complaint. Dating apps are about 60/40 men/women, not a bad ratio. The girls just go for hot tall rich guys
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:38 PM
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“I met this amazing hot girl but she had an N count of 6” said no one ever
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:15 PM
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No one cares if these women are repulsed. The threat of being dumped has never stopped women from dating guys before and it won’t stop them in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:15 PM
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The fallacy here is that, if not for the man in OP’s story, the woman in OP’s story would have been in some loving relationship that would culminate in marriage. We don’t know that. For all we know she would have been single, or being pumped and dumped instead of in an exclusive relationship for a year. Any life circumstance is a “waste” if compared to one’s ideal. If I have paid work for a year but I expected a long-term contract with benefits, then sure that year of work was a “waste.” But I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:14 PM
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90 incel deaths over a decade is hardly grounds to claim misogyny is a huge driver of violence. More people have died from shark attacks over that same period
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:37 PM
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We don’t know the guy’s height, and him not revealing his height obliterates his credibility. Who at this point doesn’t acknowledge height’s role on OLD? Assuming he is average height, we’ve got an ethnic minority below 6ft tall in one of the most competitive dating scenes in the country/world. Just on filters alone, he might be losing 90% of potential partners (5’10” filter and ‘black’ ethnic filter). He’s decent looking but not Tyrone enough to overcome this. Plus NYC is very money-driven and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:52 PM
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The idea that "the market" can change in a way based on ratios that will make most men highly sought-after is a fantasy I did not suggest the market would flip to make short fat bald dudes desired, but it can certainly shift to lower the "table stakes" for guys. Also we can't discount the role that the Chads play in this whole equation. If those guys weren't willing to run soft harems, a lot of women would be actually single rather than in periodic situationships with hot dudes. Then the calculu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:38 PM
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Please describe the appropriate amount of effort you'd find appropriate for an average woman to expect from a man while dating. There is no appropriate amount, it's all determined by the market. Right now the market is skewed towards women so the guys are simping extra hard. On college campuses where women outnumber men by 2-1 (60/40 campuses), the guys make 0 effort - especially the attractive guys - because the market is skewed towards them. Until men stop simping and taking women out on $100+…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:59 PM
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Not many options, hope to get lucky or get set up by friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:35 PM
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Covid did a number on the bar scene. People stopped drinking and discovered that they could still date/socialize, so many stopped going to bars; and Gen Z spend 2-3 years locked down exactly when bar culture gets ingrained. My peak bar years were 20 years old to 23 years old, and I still enjoy going to bars to meet people a decade later. A large chunk of the population never had that experience and hopped straight online. Pre-Covid I did way better in bars than online, since Covid this has switc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:35 PM
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Blackpill just means "believes looks are 90% of the equation in dating". Doesn't preclude me from having dating success. Of the last 4 women I dated, 1 was an active model, 1 was a former model. They're not Victoria Secret giga-stacies or anything, I'd give them a 7 out of 10 whereas top models are 9 out of 10
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:26 AM
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Well yes the bar/club scene basically died after Covid, most girls are not going to bars to meet people, they’re there to mingle with their friends and then meet their situationship from bumble later. That said I have made friends going out, just go to some raves and go to afterparties. You’ll have better time at a scene (techno, punk, metal, etc) than at a generic party bar
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:17 AM
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She’s too fat for me but I have dated models so I’m too used to hotter girls than this
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:02 PM
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You might be taking "monolith" too literally, no one is saying that women's experiences are 100% identical, it's obvious for example that a white woman and a black woman would have different experiences. The argument being made is that the variability in women's experiences is narrow enough that they can be bucketed together when talking about dating advice etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:41 PM
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I am 35 and regularly go to parties that last till 10am. Once went to an afterparty in someone's apartment that had 20 people and ran till 5pm the next day. However I live in NYC which has a particularly big nightlife scene
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:39 PM
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"Just be yourself bro" hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:37 PM
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Unfortunately for you this is only brutal for unattractive guys! I have solo traveled to multiple countries and it is trivially easy to meet male wingmen and to pick up girls. Mostly need to talk to them and put yourself out there. However I am a black American (super exotic especially in Europe) and I am 6'3". I also have a lot of $$ so I can go to a VIP section, or buy drinks for people, all of which gives some street cred. Now in places where my SMV is lower (e.g. parts of South America where…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:36 PM
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I find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women The difference is relatively small compared to the difference between low-value men and high-value men. Most women can relate to getting pumped-and-dumped for example, even unattractive women. Whereas low-value men can't relate to "you should pay on a date to show your provider potential" because low value men don't even go on dates. Another exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:30 PM
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I didn't pay her any extra and she spent 10-15 min at a time just talking to me instead of doing her job and collecting tips from tables, it was just pure interest. Have her number now but she's honestly too hot to be seen in public with, I'm talking model-tier in campaigns you've seen on TV or on billboards
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:15 PM
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I'm a normal mid guy but I hit the club tonight and charmed the pants off of the bottle service girl who is a professional model when she's not working in the high end clubs. Could the bluepill have been right all along, personality-pill is legit? Or is it because she knew I could afford the thousands of dollars for the bottle service (fancy club in a fancy part of town)?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:02 PM
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Page 6 of your document says there have been 50 deaths due to incel violence over 7 years across the US and Canada. Right-wing extremists kill 50 people per year on average. Partners/boyfriends/family members kill 140 women every day. You are far far more likely to be killed by Chad than by an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:13 AM
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Imagine seeing things like: Average reply time Average conversation rating How many questions they ask versus answer How often they ghost people Whether they regularly unmatch after one message All of this already exists. Coffee Meets Bagel would provide fleshed out stats on a user's response rate, for example "usually responds within 24 hours", "80% response rates to opening messages", etc. This was introduced maybe 8 years ago. The League provides response information and tells you a user's po…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:03 AM
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Probably because of Elliot Rodger. I tried to find your source and it seems it comes from a DHS paper that lists all possible motivators for extremism, including animal rights extremists (the PETA people who spray blood on you during protests), pro-abortion extremists (according to the DHS, the people who leaked the Dobbs Supreme Court decision were extremists), etc. So if your only evidence that incels do harm is that there's a DHS list out there, that's pretty weak. DHS keeps tabs on every cra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:34 AM
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I can bet my whole inheritance that most men and women here are sad, dejected , NEET and wasting their time being here. That's where you're wrong, this sub has a ton of married women for example, and a good amount of married men and guys who are actively dating in the scene. The toxicity of modern dating doesn't disappear just because you can get dates/married. It's like saying no one can critique capitalism if they are gainfully employed. The system is always open to criticism including from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:01 PM
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Incels as a group have the lowest body count of basically all demographics. Less than white nationalists, Islamists, radical feminists, antifa, Proud Boys, tradcons, etc. In the past 20 years there has been something like 30 confirmed dead from incel violence, with the vast majority coming from ER. That's what u/Professional_Bat8585 was getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:57 PM
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I’m just trolling, calling someone who loves their spouse a simp is peak redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:16 AM
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Simp lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:37 PM
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Why wouldn't you consider stop dating, and complaining, an option? Or are you all here just because is entertaining to discuss about this? Personally it is because I am heterosexual and find women attractive. So there's two ways to have sexual relations with women: keep dating, or pay for sex. I'm uncomfortable with prostitution/sugar dating so I keep dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:37 PM
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Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:55 AM
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I read this and thought it was an incel OP at first, turns out it’s Lilith. Must be a bait?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:11 PM
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West Virginia Stacy the best Stacy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:09 PM
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Have as girlfriend. Think of the famous dudes who are busted but have a hot gf, or the rich guys. Not talking about findom, the pay pigs don’t sleep with the girls if I understand the kink correctly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:09 PM
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How much money does a guy need to have to get with Stacy regardless of his looks/personality. $10M? $100M?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:13 PM
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If women are less economically dependent on men and have successful careers, can women start paying for dates already?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:03 AM
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Not an issue of value systems, you’re just wrong. Maybe think of it this way. Let’s say the number of scams kept going up each year, and the number of murders kept going down each year, to the point that there was 1 murder per year. Is there a crossover point where you’d say the scams are a bigger problem than the murders? Let’s say the scams are getting so bad that people lose their life savings every so often. If so, you agree with me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:58 AM
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Let me try again because you seem to have missed my point. What's a bigger scourge on society today, financial fraud/scams or violent murder? The answer is scams, because they cost millions of people small amounts of money over and over, whereas murder costs a small amount of people their entire life. But obviously at the individual level, it's worse to be killed than to be scammed out of $20. My point is that you can't compare two "problems" by taking single instances and comparing the gravity …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:48 AM
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Keep in mind that it's much more common to get "scammed" for dinner than to get stalked/raped. 30% of women admit to having foodie called and there's an even larger percentage of women who weren't explicitly looking to extract value but stayed in a date going downhill and let the man pay rather than putting him out of his misery. Compare that to sexual assault being 30 per 100k a year. So men might get "scammed" out of a total of thousands of dollars for every rape that occurs. I'm not saying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:33 AM
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I just used height as an example, the logic is the same for face. An ugly guy can't do anything to change his face, even though his ugly face is driving 95% of his dating outcome, so there's nothing for him to "adapt to". Also this convo is gonna get us modded because looks aren't allowed on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:38 AM
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The actual number? Or the number of convictions? Rapists pretty much never get convicted for it. If the argument here is that we can't trust rape stats because there's an epidemic of unreported unconvicted rapes, the burden is on you to demonstrate how high the "true" rape rate is. Except women get stranger danger drilled into them from elementary school until menopause. Men famously don't approach anymore out of fear of rejections, getting put on blast on TikTok for a failed approach, getting r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:37 AM
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Women would prefer partnering/marrying with hot rich guys who could retire them and make them never have to work another day in their life. Thats like 1 in 100 guys, so the overwhelming majority of women won’t get this. The 99% of women are faced with a choice, settle with a guy who isn’t hot, not rich (so she’s gotta keep working), or just live their lives and cope with social media, reality tv, and consumerism. Enough women would rather just live their lives and cope with media than marry oofy…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:08 PM
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“Charisma” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:00 PM
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You’re essentially advocating the incel viewpoint, “it’s over” etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:59 PM
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Wants don’t vary that much, it’s basically looks money status
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:58 PM
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Rape is rare statistically, doesn’t matter how many anecdotes or warnings to pre-teens you cite. Rape rate is like 30 per 100k people. If we’re going by anecdotes, I can find you random TikTok’s of guys getting beat up, that’s about as useful as your anecdotes about “everyone knows multiple women who have been raped.” You sound like Trump, “everyone knows it”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:55 PM
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Rape is rare. So if we can handwave away risks because they don’t happen often, then women can’t complain about SA…?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:03 PM
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Lol, “pick better” Do you say the same to women who get pumped and dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:02 PM
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There have been men who had an approach go wrong and they got reported for harassment or beat up by male bystanders. Rare but it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:08 PM
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There functionally aren’t. I haven’t had a woman offer to split a date in like 4 years, across dozens of first dates. One girl did recently but she was European which might have explained it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:06 PM
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What’s there to adapt to? Height filters exist and has a significant impact on a man’s dating experience, reducing his dating pool by up to 80% according to some data. Does that mean he can’t complain about dating? Some complaints just aren’t solvable but people should still be allowed to complain about it. Women complain about guys being deceptive, and there’s little women can do to force men to be transparent or honest; are women not allowed to complain about dishonest/shady dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:01 PM
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If women are looking for a teammate, why does the courtship process not revolve about filtering for good teammate behavior? First dates where both people work on the planning together, to assess teamwork and conflict resolution? Division of household tasks, chores, bills, etc? That doesn’t happen. Current meta is man pays and plans everything to show that he is “serious.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:04 PM
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“Flewed out” is a slang term, Google it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:05 AM
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I’m rich, millions in the bank, but I don’t like to lead with money. I go on normal people dates, normal dating profile (except it shows good school and good job title). I thought flashing cash would draw in too many gold diggers. Then I see an IG post of a girl getting flewed out for a first date, probably $2k total for the flight hotel dinner show. The comments are all women saying “you go girl, we love a man who plans and handles logistics” as if it requires Napoleon level logistics to enter …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:12 AM
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See you on Hinge in a few months
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:15 PM
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Your experience is common among women, getting swarmed by 50-100 matches and trying to juggle all those convos is exhausting. So women will dip into the app, get some contacts, and then put the app down while they pursue those leads. This is obviously not the same as suggesting there are zero women on dating apps. People here are implying there are more women meeting men at the grocery store than on dating apps, that's completely false.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:43 PM
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I am on mobile but the monthly users numbers came from Hinge directly, the lifetime/annual use came from a Pew Research survey which asked a bunch of questions. Consider anecdotally the fact that most young women have used dating apps, many women have met their partners on dating apps, yet everyone claims there are no women on dating apps. The conundrum is resolved when we realize how the dating patterns work
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:20 PM
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Why is he talking about best men anyway? Is that the standard? If you’re not the best, you deserve to be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:17 PM
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They don't. Roughly the same amount of men and women have used dating apps, and roughly the same amount of married men and married women met their partner off a dating app. Women use dating apps in short bursts, men stay on dating apps for long periods. This means the monthly active users is significantly skewed male, 60/40 on the most balanced app (Hinge) and as bad as 80/20 on Tinder. But the yearly active users, or lifetime users, is roughly balanced. Women use the app for 1-2 weeks, get 50 m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:13 AM
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80 IQ comment. All single men are not decent? Decency automatically translates into long-term relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:07 AM
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You can feel invisible but you can’t be invisible. Women don't know what it’s like to be fully alone. No one asks how you are doing, for years. No one hugs you, for years. No dates or romantic interest, for years. As I’ve said in other threads, women can replicate this experience at any moment by moving to a convent in Kathmandu or getting a remote job and working at home without ever leaving the house. If the downside of catcalls overwhelmed the upside of having society care about your existenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:50 PM
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Small probability of sexual violence, a probability that declines every year as western society becomes safer (crime hit all time low in NYC last year); versus high probability of total isolation and inceldom. Women can always minimize their odds of sexual violence by eschewing all male relationships (most rape happens with acquaintances, partners, friends, etc). How come women are opting to fraternize with men rather than ignore all men and cease all romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:47 PM
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Straight guys can’t just turn gay, sexuality is a choice after all. Homophobic of you to suggest otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:44 PM
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Are you open to the possibility that women would not see it at a compliment or as a positive state of affairs, even if it is? I would argue that the current dating situation for women is 1) less bad than men’s, and 2) less bad than women’s in previous eras. I would argue that a woman living in NYC today has the least bad dating experience of any human that has ever lived, in terms of quantity and quality of possible partners, and having the choice and agency to explore said partners. Women might…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:57 PM
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The OP's line about when a dating concern is an "issue" or not is arbitrary, but most responses in this thread are creating an equivalency between "lack of access" and "low-quality options". Maybe I lumped you in with the others, sorry about that, but it's a false equivalency in my opinion. One last point, you said: At best, an abundance of dick results in indifference This is obviously untrue, at best an abundance of dick results in meeting your dream high-quality super hot Chad guy. The vast m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:12 PM
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The attention men get--- even if small is genuine and respectful for the most part. "Even if small" is doing heavy lifting. The male dating struggle means NO attention, for years. You should read the diary entries of lonely/ugly men. No one complimenting them for a decade. No physical touch in years. Virgins or no sex in years. People actively avoiding them, crossing the street to not get near them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:06 PM
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Most women cannot contemplate the feeling of getting 0 attention from the opposite sex for an entire year. Not a single approach, not a single match, all rejection. Totally invisible. This is not the same as "not being desired" because you don't get your ideal guy. We're talking total oblivion of one's self of desirability. Also comparing being a woman to being a man in a prison is just beyond moronic. YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE PRISON YARD but a woman can always walk away from a cat-caller.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:54 PM
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The issue is that "lack of access to X" and "proliferation of low-quality options of X" just are not equal. The latter is strictly better than the former, because the latter gives the option to partake in the low-quality options. Replace X with any commodity and the latter is better. Lack of access to healthcare vs proliferation of low-quality healthcare. Lack of access to friendship vs proliferation of low-quality friendship. And so on. Furthermore, the "proliferation" condition has the possibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:49 PM
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You’re a woman who uses betabuxx-deluxe? Are you rehab room’s LARP account?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:55 PM
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What is going over your head is that the attractive guys aren’t any more attractive with their approaches, women just accept the advances because the guy is attractive. You think it was a confident move because it worked. Tons of ugly guys have the balls to walk across the room and talk to a woman, that takes a lot of guts. Those guys still get blown out and go home alone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:17 PM
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Hehe “went into psychology” Doesn’t really matter, 6’2” Chad will take his girl anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:04 PM
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The way to not blow up the social circle is to minimize risk. Ask out the girls you know will say yes. How does that happen? Either she makes it obvious or a mutual friend says "XYZ is into you." The problem is, the kind of guy who is hearing "XYZ is into you" is the kind of guy who can get matches on apps, i.e. conventionally attractive guy. Sure there are short funny guys who might get interest in a social circle but think back to any social circle you were a part of, most of the time the hook…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:21 PM
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Chad wants to have casual with no commitment, and a lot of guys who do want to date long-term are too ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:39 AM
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Height doesn't change day to day, year to year. Neither does race. Face might change mostly if the person gets fat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:37 AM
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The evidence disagrees. The #1 predictor of relationship success is physical attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:20 AM
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The actual answer is looks but OP is redpill so he probably has some theory about bad boys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:40 PM
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“Pay-rape” jfc, any sexual act outside of sleeping with Chad is now rape. Your oofy-doofy husband wants a blowjob for once this calendar year and that’s spousal pressure-rape
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:42 PM
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Even if she isn't on a dating app, if she has instagram/Snapchat/TikTok, she has guys in her phone. And social media use among young women is ubiquitous
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:20 PM
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not every woman uses or has used dating apps in the past - and personally i think that there's a much higher percentage of those women who are actually datable long-term. The number is ~50% of women under 30 have used a dating app at some point, but are not necessarily active users. Pew data They don't split out the genders for the 18-29 bucket, but I think it is a fair assumption that <30yo people are split similarly to older generations which do have a relatively balanced gender split on the q…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:19 PM
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OP's point is that her pool doesn't shrink just because she is out and about in-person. Psychologically the guys in her phone (instagram, apps, phone numbers) are still options and she acts accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:15 PM
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Do you have fun/matching energy, charisma, confidence. Are you competent. Looks will usually trump charisma/confidence especially in a club setting, but if you have a shared interest (you meet at a book club and you are well-read or something) then real-life might help. But OP's point remains, she can find well-read hot guys on an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:14 PM
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In-person encounters also benefit from having better logistics. If I am in a bar and I meet a girl, I can invite her over right then and there. Maybe she's horny, maybe she has a flight tomorrow, whatever. She could set something up on an app but it's not immediate. Most women won't pass up an 8/10 app dude for a 5/10 bar dude for convenience's sake, but 8/10 vs 7/10? Maybe. I think the advantage of real-life is overstated, but it does have an advantage especially to get around filters. Race fil…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:13 PM
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Bottle service girls are conventionally attractive and in-demand. These girls have dudes paying them sometimes thousands of dollars to fly out to parties. And my Chad friends are picking them up from a club for free. Your short king cartoon-character friend is probably going nowhere with these chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:09 PM
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If the guy you know who fucks the most looks like an Ice Age character, you know a bunch of incels. I know chads who fuck 30 girls in a month, and these are bottle service girls, sorority chicks, etc. not dumpster diving. That’s what looks gets you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:59 PM
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Looks threads get modded/banned as “black pill content” but the general public understands that 95% of male dating troubles comes from not getting dates at all due to not being attractive enough to get a foot in the door. So we have this sub where we circlejerk about “who should do chores” when the average 25yo man goes on 1 date a year if he’s lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:39 PM
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Different take: this is already happening in the transactable part of the dating market. Think about it this way, of all of the ONS happening tonight, I would argue that half of them are initiated by women. I have no data, but the last several ONS I have had and my friends have had, a woman came up to us, or a girl tells me “I want to meet your friend.” However in terms of total interactions, 90% are still initiated by men, and most end in rejection. Women already are more direct when it comes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:28 PM
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also does not mean nobody else gets anything. Never said that. Just wanted to know if the original commentator was getting traction, as he admitted he was a shorter guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:03 PM
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You need to enjoy the music
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:08 PM
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Have you gotten girlfriends/hook-ups from the festivals? I go to plenty of festivals and it's still pretty hypergamous, tall ripped guys get more traction. People are friendly but it's not that common to see girls get picked up at festivals, they're usually with large friend groups or in couples
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:06 PM
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women are expected Who expects this? Society? Your parents? Men? Doesn't matter how many redpillers call women 30+ "wasted", if a 30+ woman is attractive she will have simps and men chasing after her. She doesn't care about salty redpill "peak SMV" theories. You think after Leonardo DiCaprio dumps his model girlfriends at age 28, they are screwed and won't find someone to marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:28 PM
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No one is forcing women to have children and risk childbirth mortality?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:45 PM
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Whereas men are expected to figure out those desires closer to like 35 or 40 Average guy can't even get a woman to marry him until he's making decent money in his mid-30s. Average guys without money are basically invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:44 PM
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I think your nieces and nephews are glad to have an uncle around who cares for them, time with them isn't necessarily wasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:33 PM
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No because you’re not having sex with your friends
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:55 PM
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Yes, the remaining 20%. I listed some of those but there are more
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:40 PM
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I believe it’s 80% looks and looks are necessary but not sufficient. So relationships work just fine, you just need looks to get into one and you have to maintain your looks. Most relationships can last because as both partners’ looks fade, they remain each others’ best-looking option, or at least close to it; and the inertia and switching costs, plus being friends and lovers etc, create some lock-in. Thats why you see breakups when one partner lets themselves go or gets sick or the man loses hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:50 PM
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Dude are you seriously correcting the record on the correct leadership structure of American Greek organizations? “ASU frat leader” is just the name of the meme character. Anyway you have a clear view, no one actually looksmaxes, bluepill is always right, and white knighting is a virtue. Your responses here are 100% on brand
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:43 PM
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Gen Z is 1997 to 2011 birth year. So the oldest Gen Zers are late 20s. Ask any 22 year old guy where he was when Clavicular got brutally framemogged by the ASU frat leader and he will know the reference
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:52 PM
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Yea I had rly fked up asymmetric eyelids and googly eyes, it was just genetic but eye doctors would check on my thyroid cus usually it’s only that bad when someone had this rare disease. So basically I had a normal face but very weird eyes. Post surgery I just had a normal face. The kicker is that when I am in shape, my jawline comes out and I become high tier normie or chad-lite. I got the surgery, lost weight, and the following year I hooked up with two models and one really hot girl with a mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:50 PM
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Was multiple but all around the same area, I got my eyelids shaped basically. I went from googly eyes to more masculine brooding eyes, not as much as the male models but a step below that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:28 PM
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Clavicular is obviously ragebait but a lot of Gen Z guys genuinely believe in looksmaxxing now
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:25 PM
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35, I got my surgery at 30
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:25 PM
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I literally got a looksmaxxing surgery 5 years ago that is now being peddled everywhere, I bet it will be more expensive and a longer wait time now. Just insane. Also I can predict how a date goes based on what body fat percentage I’m at, because I show more jawline at lower body fats. I plotted my sexual partners against my bodyweight and the moment I get above a certain body fat percentage and get moonfacey, the sex slows down, and when I’m chiseled it’s basically first date. Lost a lot of fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:09 PM
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As time goes on I am realizing my views were fairly accurate. I had a lot of self-doubt and always thought that there was maybe a 25% chance that bluepill was actually correct and being a decent thoughtful person was enough to date the people you wanted. Then over the past decade, we’ve had more studies on the subject and they all more or less confirmed bp, and now Clavicular is the most popular internet phenom and young person are parroting language that was common on braincels 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:54 PM
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Who cares if they benefit less though? Women benefit less than men from the development of heart disease medication because men are more at risk of heart disease. So what? Is the goal to have everyone benefit exactly equally from every beneficial facet of human existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:49 PM
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That’s incorrect and not how utility curves work (which is what this responder is talking about but in layman’s terms). Some women don’t benefit from X amount of casual sex at Y terms, where X and Y are the typical situation. And other women benefit a ton. However casual sex is at X and Y because enough women like it that way and enough men are willing to offer it that way. If casual sex was understood to mean the guy gets himself tested, must do foreplay, and takes the women out to a show, dinn…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:22 PM
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Many men in the manosphere push two core ideas at the same time: Never listen to women about dating/relationships: “Don’t ask the fish, ask the fisherman.” Only male advice counts. Women's advice is useless. Women are hypergamous and overwhelmingly attracted to the top 5-20% of men (the exact percentage seems to fluctuate depending on the day). That leaves the vast majority of “average” guys (supposedly 80–95% of men) invisible, struggling, and mostly undatable. You are conflating multiple manos…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:21 AM
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Not a question of fear, it just happens. Sometimes women get used for sex, sometimes men get used for their money. The question is, if a woman isn’t dating a man for his money, why act as if she is? Why cut him off if he didn’t shell out enough money? If the behavior is identical to a gold digger, what’s the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:50 PM
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Well paying for expenses as a husband/father is clearly different from paying for a first date. In the former case, you’re committed and might have dependents, in the latter case he just met you and he knows - as this thread confirms - that there are women out there looking for free meals. He doesn’t think his wife is using him for free food, cus their finances are commingled anyway. But isn’t this obvious? Aren’t most people more generous with their siblings than with a dude they just met at a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:44 PM
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That’s fair enough, but the point remains. At $40 a date, it becomes a significant savings to her very quickly. Even 3 months of dating and she’s saved $1000
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:41 PM
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Depends on the city as well. A party full of 35-40 year olds in NYC will have several attractive single women. People get married much later in big cities
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:33 PM
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I recently had an incident where a landlord changed an item in a lease without me realizing, and I signed the lease. It was 100% manipulation, they swapped out the document and were hoping I wouldn’t notice. I called a lawyer and he said ultimately, even though they were manipulative scumbags, I did sign in the dotted line so I had liability. No matter how manipulative the guy is, the woman has a part to play in falling for it. After all, plenty of women don’t fall for it, shouldn’t they reap th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:31 PM
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YouGov has a population survey, and there are survey threads on Reddit. Anecdotally in NYC, twice a week while single is a typical amount for a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:25 PM
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I’m confused, you’re saying women don’t need or care about the food, but you’re also saying men shouldn’t complain if the woma - who was supposed to not care about the food - excludes the man for not getting her food? So she did care about the food in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:19 PM
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I don’t think he was implying she had a roster of guys she’s sleeping with, just a roster of guys paying for dates. The average woman in a big city goes on dozens of dates a year, at $20-40 per dare she could easily be saving thousands of dollars on the back of these dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:22 PM
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If they could have gotten the food with or without the guy, then surely there’s no harm in her paying her own way right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:21 PM
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"Constantly" is doing a lot of work there. Let me ask you this, given that there are about 3-4x as many 5'8" guys as 6ft+ guys, what do you see more often? 6ft guys with a girl or 5'8" guys with a girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:03 PM
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You are clearly out of touch if you think a 5'8" skinny-fat average guy is getting any dates. Maybe if he's white dating Asian girls. The singleness rate among men under 30 is like 50%+, are those all 5'3" ugly incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:57 PM
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Consider the idea that "men aren't competing with other men, they're competing with women's peace" or however the statement goes. If true, then the top men need not even engage with the bottom women. All they need to do is exist and be somewhat visible. Then, the 1/10 woman will hold out for the top guy, and will prefer being single to being with the 1/10 guy. In this way, you can have legions of men and women both single due to hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:37 PM
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"Normal" men aren't boring. Normal men built rapport, banter/flirt, ask a woman out if she reciprocates, and are capable of coming up with a basic idea of something fun for the two of them to do during a date, and can be in her company doing said activity without coming off as creepy or inhibited. They have senses of humor, can make her smile/laugh, and if she's single and has the ability to find him attractive, he builds tension which makes whatever initial attraction she has towards him action…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:34 PM
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Sarah Stock was doing the tradwife virgin influencer waiting for marriage, and guys were holding her up as some paragon of virtue. Also she's very blonde so it fed into the right-wing genetic purity angle. Anyway she was getting dicked down the whole time, just another AF/BB situation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:00 PM
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I love spending money on my men. It's quite the turn on. Men who get turned on spending money on women don't ask for anything in return, except maybe some humiliation kink text. Look up findom and paypigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:57 PM
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Of course, but I don't reveal anything more than the average expected of a mid-30s guy. I'll pay for dinner/drinks, I'll call an uber, etc. But she doesn't know I can buy her Birkins or fly to Italy or whatever. But the provision doesn't escalate until she shows interest if that makes sense. So we keep doing basic white collar gastropub-tier dates until I detect interest/attraction, then I escalate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:18 AM
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i don’t think sex is the end all be all because plenty of people can fake sexual interest/attraction for an end goal There's no end goal, because she doesn't know I have money. I don't reveal it until we've had sex. So she can decide to have sex based on her attraction/desire/love.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:43 AM
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You'd be surprised, a lot of women are fishing around for a betabuxx and will string him along, not have sex with him, ask for open relationships to bang the guys she's actually attracted to, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:06 AM
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This is why I am against betabuxx and I think guys should not give a woman exclusivity until they have had sex, especially if she says she wants a provider or is tradcon etc. The guy might be a walking wallet
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:05 AM
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I hung out in some pretty feminist places, and during peak girlboss in 2015 some girls would be offended if you paid, opened the door, etc. The culture has completely flipped
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:04 AM
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I am able and willing to provide, she just needs to be attracted to me So as we all know, the tradwive sprinkle-sprinkle meta is in right now. A decade ago women would be offended if you paid for them on dates, it was seen as paternalistic. Now we’re in a fully provider dating market. I have a personal issue with this, it feels transactional and like I am a walking wallet. That said, I like paying for others and I don’t want money or lack-thereof to get in the way to a good time. So for example,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:53 AM
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The current market leaves more men "unemployed" than women. Women's standards are higher and men are more willing to date multiple women, so the result is more concentration at the top on the male side. Hence "are we dating the same guy" groups, the Tea app, etc. The market is "balanced" in that some people are unsatisfied, but there are more unsatisfied men insofar as "0 options" is less satisfying than "less than ideal options"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:32 PM
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Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer to live in a world where women cared about me and there was a brotherhood of mankind. But outside of direct family and close friends, no one cares. So why should I care about a woman who isn’t a blood relative? Again, would she stop to help if I was hurting, or would she listen to my anguish? Doubt it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:43 AM
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No one cares about me now, just leveling the playing field so to speak. Not complaining, just making an anonymous post under the Automod on PPD. I'm not OP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:22 AM
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The beauty of modern atomized individualistic society is that I don't have to do anything for women ever, they can lobby the collective resources of the state. And any imposition on me by women will be countered by my lawyers. If a woman is getting cyber-bullied or harassed, I do nothing, she can call the cops. Why be a good Samaritan? Would she do the same for me? Doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:11 AM
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Yes I have also hooked up with Asian women, but the initial claim was completely ridiculous: “it’s just about being exotic, not about being white.” Ok you know some military black guys who got laid, any reason to believe they got laid more than the average Korean dude, let alone a dude in Korean military? That’s the comparison, not “I know a black dude who had a bunch of sex once.” I can find you a black dude who killed it with white girls in Alabama circa 1930, pretty sure racism was still an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:41 PM
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I’m black, I’ve been to South Korea, people were explicitly racist to my face. A drunk girl in Gangnam made monkey noises at me. It’s not a Japanese thing, Asians are racist against black people, you are coping if you think white guys get Asian girls because they’re “exotic” and any foreigner would have the same experience
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:22 PM
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You think a black dude can go to Japan and crush it because he’s “exotic” just like a white guy? Have you ever been to east Asia? It’s quite racist against black/brown
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:09 PM
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My effective tax rate as a rich American living in a coastal city is 50%, so I take home half my salary and the other half goes to the Feds, State govt, and to social security (old ppl pension)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:07 PM
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Porn IG and apps can skew how real men look. As an example women’s perception of fit male bodies are heavily influenced by steroid use on media. Jason Momoa being a “dad bod” even though he has an elite body and might be on gear. Women thinking there are way more rich guys and tall guys than there actually are, and calling every guy under 6ft chopped or under $100k a loser, and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:02 PM
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I just have a thing for middle eastern, the curly hair plus brown skin plus thick body, just awesome. Not the same with black girls (but some latinas are middle eastern
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:54 PM
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Hardest part about hypergamy and blackpill is that if you are interested in "non-standard" pairings, you are shit out of luck. I'm black and am super attracted to middle eastern girls, and if you know anything about middle east culture you know that dating out is already frowned upon, but if one dates out it's usually with a white guy (Amal Clooney pill). So I am fighting constant uphill battles to meet these super hot Syrian/Lebanese/Saudi girls. I've pulled it off before but took serious patie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:57 AM
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If only humans were rational, however people will pick the more attractive partner most of the time. And in either case, attractive 30yo make for attractive 50yo moreso than average 30yo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:22 PM
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1) The "correct" definition of Chad according to the original meaning was a very attractive guy, maybe 8/10, a guy even hotter than that would be a gigachad. All this Chad stuff started on 4chan and incel forums ten years ago. Yes people complain that every guy with a girlfriend is Chad but that's just saltiness 2) I'm not saying women need to do anything about the complaints, and I'm not complaining about it 3) There's nothing wrong with unpacking pretty-privilege via some analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 02:07 AM
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Even though they're 5%-10% of the population, they have a disproportionate impact on dating experiences and dating culture, because they date more. Think about it this way, when guys say that they are getting few matches on dating apps, someone is getting the matches and those matches constitute a major portion of what dating is like for women. Billionaires are 0.001% of the population and we talk about them and how they impact the world, by comparison 5% of the population is really broad lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:43 AM
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The phenomenon works better this way, it captures that there are way more 5s and 6s than 9s, and it captures that the gaps have a lot of impact. When I think of a 9/10, I imagine a mall filled with women and how many would be that attractive. 1 in 10 women at a mall are nowhere near supermodels, but that's what 9/10 implies (10/10 perfection is probably too subjective).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:02 PM
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The difference between top-tier woman and average woman is not stuff you can change by going to yoga or putting on make-up, most women do that. It's body shape, boobs, perfect legs, facial features, lips, etc. People can get surgery to mimic it but it can't replicate a woman with a model face who genetically has all the fat on her body go to her ass and boobs
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:56 PM
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Don't care about your marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:54 PM
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Tyrone can't truly beat Chad in terms of volume due to universal appeal of whiteness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:53 PM
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I never said Chad was a bad guy, he just has the ability to pull this off with average women, whereas betabuxx uggo guys can't
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:52 PM
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Yes, 8/10 is hotter than 97% of women, 9/10 hotter than 99%, etc. How many model-tier women have you run into in real life? Probably a handful in your entire life if you're lucky, that's because it's rare. Don't let social media fool you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:51 PM
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Take the Meeks pill
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:50 PM
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I seem to remember hearing about one (either POF or Match I think) having a super extensive questionnaire about hobbies, goals, interests, boundaries, etc etc etc, before you could even look at other people. You're thinking of the OG OKCupid website from like 2010
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:49 PM
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This already exists on Hinge, it makes no difference to the app. Most men aren't asking for pics or sending crass messages, but they're not getting matches anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:48 PM
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OLD has the same problem as IRL, too many unattractive guys and not enough attractive guys
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:47 PM
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Video games, social media, etc are extremely popular passtimes. The latter moreso for women, but A LOT of men, including guys in relationships, play video games, gamble on sports, and do other fairly anti-social activities on their phones/computers/gaming consoles. 50% of US households have a video game console. There's no evidence that men get more or fewer dates because they play video games or use too much social media, but I think it's an easy scapegoat. You see a single loser living in his …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:44 PM
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We're not disagreeing with each other. I'm explaining that the woman doesn't really have a say on whether the hot guy decides to be in a relationship or to just hookup. Best she can do is put herself out there and hope he falls for her. However the current "strategy" from women is to declare that they will not tolerate being a hookup or situationship, as if they can control whether the guy decides to date them after sex. At the extreme you have silly strategies like "making the guy wait 7 dates"…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:36 PM
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Did I suggest otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:33 PM
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So what if a female 6 simply only feels enough desire for male 8s and above? Even if she understands her chances of landing a 8 for real LTR are low, that may mean she just plays the pump and dump lottery hoping for an 8 who find her to be his type. Or she opts out. Nothing wrong with this. I'm not saying it's bad or the world is going to collapse because of this dynamic. Just explaining the dynamic. If women only feel desire for Chads, either because of biology, social media, or anything inbetw…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:32 PM
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You're in the minority, 80%+ of women have had casual sex in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:30 PM
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You'd rather have Chad than not have Chad. Chad can be smart and nice. Go to any Ivy League campus, there's plenty of rich smart polite guys who are 6' and handsome. But there's also Chads working construction or doing heroin. Chad is Chad because of his looks and looks are fairly randomly distributed (though attractive parents tend to have attractive children)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:29 PM
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Who knows, maybe you're a top-tier woman, maybe you got lucky, maybe he's handsome to you but not to anyone else, etc. Human behavior has tremendous variability, there are models who for whatever reason decide to date an average unemployed guy, it's just very rare
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:28 PM
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If the Chads sleep with 4 women a month on average, they can quickly hook up with huge swaths of the dating pool over a year. And 1 new girl a week is not a ton of work. Why do you think "Are We Dating the Same Guy" even works? What would be the odds that multiple women in huge cities like NYC or LA would have slept with the same guy unless Chad works volume?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:26 PM
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Never called Chad an asshole. Dating around isn't asshole behavior - except in women's heads because guys are supposed to deliver relationships on command.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:24 PM
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Maybe you're right, all guys do this but Chad gets away with it. In which case women should be even more prepared for Chad to not commit, and make peace with it early, rather than going through the anguish of situationships, does he like me or not, etc. Or worst of all, trying tricks they learned on TikTok like writing "dating intentionally" on their apps. Every girl writes that, then hooks up with Chad, and then gets upset when Chad keeps dating around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:23 PM
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I said nothing about Chad being bad, or women not choosing Chad. I only said you can't go for Chad and expect exclusivity. By definition your odds of having an exclusive relationship with someone drops as they have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:21 PM
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Attractive guy, usually also tall
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:20 PM
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6' tall or higher and good face would be Chad. Probably the top 5-10% of the male pop
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:20 PM
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I don't get what you're trying to say here. Yes looks shift day to day. But a hot girl's lows - just got out of bed, messed up hair, maybe has bags under her eyes - are going to be better than the average/ugly girl's lows, or even the ugly girl's highs. Look up photos of actresses and models without makeup, they blow average girls fully dolled up out of the water
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:19 PM
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Pretty people with good lives tend to be happy overall, I have gotten more rude reactions from average women than hot women. If I approach a hot girl and she's not interested, she's usually fairly polite about it. Approach an average girl who rejects and she'll get offended, cause a scene, etc, it happens sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:18 PM
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Never called Chad bad. He is doing what any person with lots of options does - try out the options and pick the best one. If I go on 10 job interviews and I'm an in-demand candidate, I don't care if the HR person at job #8 says "just so you know, we don't want you to interview anywhere else." I know I got the interview because I'm an in-demand candidate, I know they'd be thrilled if I accepted, and if job #1 is better, so be it, I have no loyalty to #8. Same story with Chad dating rosters of ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:17 PM
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Obviously true, now here's the problem. When he does decide to settle down and have a fulfilling union, who is he gonna pick? The 7 average girls who were hookups coming straight to his house, or the pretty girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:14 PM
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They seem pretty looksmatched, of course he has the pro-athlete halo but I wouldn't say she shot way out of her league dating him
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:14 PM
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Of course, but that's not up to her. If she meets a Chad and he's a decent guy (where decent is almost always defined as he gave me exclusivity after sex), that's great. But the woman has very little input on that. Most Chads - like most men for that matter - date around, especially in big cities and especially if they're not dating for marriage for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:12 PM
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Yes, no woman has ever complained about fuckboys or guys who have multiple girlfriends or how "the bar is the floor" for guys. Oh wait. Women's entire OLD struggle comes down to Chad's reaction to his optionality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:10 PM
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Any given guy can decide to stop dating and settle down, obviously. Chads get married. But that's not up to the woman. Girls on OLD thinking that asserting "no hookups" or "say what you mean" means that Chad will call them back after sex, but that stuff doesn't matter. If Chad has options and you're not one of his best options, you'll be in the rotation. If you're lucky he'll settle down with you but it's gambling
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:09 PM
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You are of course an outlier, most people prefer attractive partners to unattractive partners, lean partners to fat partners, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:08 PM
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This is a pretty classic average/slightly-above-average girl who would get piped by a Chad at a frat party but think she's in the running to be his gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:07 PM
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7/10+ would be top tier for women, but I'm using a scale where 5 is median, 6 is 1sd above, and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:04 PM
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this sub is so fucking funny… you know the attractive women have rotations too right? Sure they do, but attractive women are more serial monogamist than attractive guys. Hot guys just have harems until they're ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:03 PM
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Chad is a guy who is 7/10 and higher. I'm using truerateme here, 5 is the median, 6 is 1 std dev above, 7 is 2 st dev, etc. So Chad is the top 3% of guys, or 1 in 30 guys. Combination of good face and height makes you Chad. Just to clarify, 6' and above is 15% of the male population. Take guys with top 20% faces who are also 6' and above, and that's 3% of the population, there's your Chad. There are plenty of guys in the middle, 5'8" handsome guys or average guys with height, but Chad dominates
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:03 PM
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Men should be able to have cheap reversible and effective brith control. I have no idea why men aren't up in arms demanding that it happens faster and in their countries. Men should absolutely have that option. But instead they are focused on this wild idea of "paper abortions" that is obviously harmful to children. And anger at women for having more options because pregnancy happens in their bodies. There's millions of dollars going into research for male contraception, it's biologically much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:58 PM
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That was a beautiful essay, however doesn’t stop Chad from getting 50 matches a day and ugly guys from being incels. Cat is out of the bag, if we went back to feudal subsistence farming Chad would still clean up so long as the internet and mass transit exist
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:31 PM
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60% of men under 30 are single, 40% overall are single, so you’re gonna have to source your “vast majority” claim. Broke and ugly dudes are left in the dust
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:41 PM
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Have you seen my flair? I agree that potbelly oofy-doofy guy is going nowhere fast with any attractive woman, best case is single mom, fat chick, or MGTOW. I'm trying to explain that "women are damned if they do damned if they don't, if we date rich guys we're golddiggers, if we date hot guys we're Chad-chasers" is because women aren't dating ugly broke guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:09 AM
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I wouldn't be embarassed. Assuming I wanted to do it, I'd say yes and hug her and stuff. However if that made it to an instagram post where she's on her knees and I'm gasping and stuff, I know I'm going to get annihilated. So my issue is the social media content afterwards, not the moment itself. I wouldn't care if a bunch of strangers or family saw me get proposed to in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:03 AM
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Look I totally agree with you, look at my flair. As you said, dating isn't charity and one's partner is arguably the most important person in their life, or at least the person they spend the most time with and rely on the most. But the bluepill says that despite that, love finds a way and a happy-go-lucky guy making $50k a year with a potbelly can vibe with a woman because she likes his personality and they are star-crossed. Reality is that there's a transaction happening covertly, where the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:59 AM
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There’s the scenario where women don’t pick men for their LMS but instead pick men based on their human decency or shared experience. You know, the bluepill fantasy. That scenario would be above any criticism but here on planet earth there’s gonna be acrimony over women’s shallowness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 10:15 PM
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Most incomprehensible OP of 2025
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:53 AM
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The beef is still there, the beef didn't change, the beef might even be holy. Doesn't change the fact that everyone is eating pork and the beef is sitting on the shelf. All this "you only need one person" feel-good stuff doesn't matter, men's dating is feast or famine. If you're not getting much traction, odds are your SMV is low and you'll need to work massive numbers and get lucky. Your worth as a sentient entity is unchanged, but your worth as a sexual option is near nil. Let me put it in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:49 AM
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Randomly walking up to a girl in a grocery store does not, and never did, happen in any serious manner with an expectation of leading to anything. I am a younger millenial (mid-30s) and my Chad friends would approach and get approached at the grocery store, the gym, one Chad friend got hit on by his dental hygienist while she was working on his cleaning. He's 6'4" with a Fabio look. If this never happened to you it's cus you're a normie, that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:34 AM
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There's more herd mentality than you are acknowledging. It's more like someone prefers pork to beef, you're the beef, but guess what you're in India where no one eats beef except a small minority. Men's dating experience is very feast or famine, either dry spell or struggling, or juggling multiple girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:05 AM
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Redpill/game coping. She wasn't interested in OP so she rudely told him to his face. Light teasing wouldn't have made her more interested, she would have just told him off anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:03 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's the definition of conditional. Your feelings aren't enough, but your feelings + him paying are enough. If I have a dear friend who lives across the country but I won't visit my friend unless he pays for my hotel, he's not that dear a friend. For friends I really miss, I'll pay my way to go see them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:51 PM
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If she’s his love interest but the love is conditional on him paying, then it’s simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:57 PM
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Simping is spending time and money in a woman that isn’t interested in you and only hangs out on the condition that you transmit resources. So in your story, the lover is a simp if he had to beg and offer to pay for shit in order for you to hang out with him. If you were fine hanging out without any resource transfer then it’s not simping, he just felt like treating you and did it out of kindness. The biggest simps are guys who give women time or money who they barely even know. Parasocial relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:54 PM
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Ok fine maybe I took it personally, I’m not that representative as I’ve had a lot of casual sex, much more than the average person. I wouldn’t believe it unless you personally know and trust the person and they said his dick was inside. People love throwing “we hooked up” around both to overstate and understate how much sex they had
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:12 PM
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You said he had higher SMV than guys in PPD due to his charisma, but there are plenty of guys on PPD who are taller and cuter, probably less charismatic, but would take his girl. I have 8 inches on him. Do you actually know if he hooks up? Guys like to self-promote. Has he fucked you or girls in your friend circle who confirmed they banged him?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:53 PM
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5’6” average face with a beard has high SMV cus he hosted a party? Yeah ok, I’m gonna call BS. Put me in a room with him as party host, I’m 6’2” above average face, I’ll take any girl off him
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:42 PM
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This is totally falsifiable, you just need a way to measure attraction that isn’t simply relationship status. Do a longitudinal study that tracks relationship satisfaction and measure it against the attractiveness of the partners as assessed by raters, these kinds of studies have been done. The fallacy of anything comes from the bluepillers, they conflates attractiveness and relationship status to say “see, ugly guys date so looks don’t matter” even though said relationships might be dead bedroo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:40 PM
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Problem with these kinda anecdotes is that we don’t know if these dudes are actually mid or if you’re a Chad-chaser who thinks any guy below 6’4” who isn’t chiseled is “mid.” Without knowing any details I can already assume these guys are white and 5’10”+, that’s the demo for a software engineer who DJs. School principal is a management job that requires being highly presentable. Again we don’t know, but when redpillers say “ugly guys” they mean balding 5’7” skinnyfat guys who are below average,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:33 PM
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Is it unreasonable for him to expect to still be dating his looksmatch 15 years later? Why would his 30-something cohort of women suddenly be only chasing chads when they were fine dating average guys 15 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:14 AM
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Careful with that first stat, people would list “met at a bar” and turns out they matched on OLD, set up a first date at a bar, and then met there. This significantly muddies the findings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:11 AM
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What a useless and pedantic reply. You’re not the same person now as you were 5 minutes ago so your memory of 5 minutes ago isn’t real life, checkmate incels lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:08 AM
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This is misleading, height filters are free but women can and do auto-left-swipe based on height, which has the same effect. And on apps like Tinder or Raya without height filters at all, guys will write in their heights in the bio and then women will filter off of that. Just saying it’s a weak rebuttal to say that height filters are Paywalled, ergo women aren’t filtering on height.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:07 AM
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Yes but that wasn’t the hypothetical. If there were two identically attractive men and the only difference between them was age, it would be obvious to pick the younger one. Younger people live longer, are healthier, have more energy, etc. This is uncontroversial. But you are implying that age is some kind of decisive factor when attractiveness is what actually counts. If I gave you two equally attractive guys but one had allergies and the other didn’t, you’d pick the one without an allergy, doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:18 PM
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If you had to pick between unattractive man your age and attractive man 10 years older, which would you pick? We know the answer, but then the conclusion should be that the age doesn’t matter, what matters is the attractiveness. But that’s true at any age. Unattractive 20yo has no chance with attractive 20yo woman, that’s not changing and “women date in their age group” isn’t going to help the ugly 20yo. Similarly “women date their own age group” is irrelevant to attractive 40yo guys who can dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:33 PM
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Book a flight to Philippines bro
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:46 PM
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Might be true of the super attractive girls, but the average Becky’s in Colombia or whatever will go berserk for a white dude
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:31 PM
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You don’t, you just make the attempt and accept the high odds of rejection. There’s no shortcut. Or you stop approaching altogether and only engage with women who approach you (only works for Chad)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:16 PM
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The best evidence we have on the subject is that it’s basically just about looks. Good-looking people will be rated as more polite, more socially aware, more disarming, all the social stuff. This is a repeated finding in social science
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:14 PM
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I’ve hooked up with more foreign girls than American girls and the foreign girls were all hotter. The hottest girl I’ve dated was Russian and the nicest (treats me well, friendly etc) was Korean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:53 PM
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This is obviously a gotcha OP trying to parody “why should I date a woman who made me wait when she banged Chad in the bathroom”? You can never pay if you want, however you will lose some guys who like you but feel like they’re getting taken advantage of. If you are willing to pay that price go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:51 PM
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Who knows you might get lucky. But it’s hard out there
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:41 PM
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White-passing Latino? That dude’s point is that a brown Indian dude can’t just show up in the Phillipines or Colombia and get girls. White guys have a huge halo in these places, non-whites don’t. If you’re a proper native-looking Latino from Bolivia or the jungles of Guatemala and you’re killing it overseas, I will stand corrected, but you’re probably white Mexican or from Argentina
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:37 PM
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If you’re attractive you can hit on women at a funeral, if you’re unattractive you can hit on them at a singles event and they will be bothered by it. It’s not the location, it’s the looks of the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:35 PM
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Brutal, nice sleuthing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:33 PM
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If you’re not seeing hot people, you might have a low internal score and thus the app isn’t showing you the hotties. You can always download Hinge and look at the standouts, that’s where the top profiles go and they are quite attractive, both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:32 PM
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The exclusive dating apps like Raya have a good amount of celebrities
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:30 PM
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I matched with an attractive girl on Raya on the subway home from work, I opened up the app a few hours later after running errands and she’d unmatched me already lol. Literally had a 90 minute window
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:23 PM
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Humans are in a fisherian runaway so extreme that the population might collapse in like 3 generations lol. It’s not totally surprising, people struggle with obesity because their monkey brains take over when they see delicious cake. In the Savannah a sweet treat was rare and you would binge it. Well in the savannah you might run across a single Chad or Stacy in your lifetime, and your brain would send you into overdrive to try to sleep with that person. Now with social media you see more Chads i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:21 PM
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Which is a big part of why there are so many more men on OLD. To be clear, OLD has a skewed daily user ratio but not a skewed monthly/annual user ratio. What that means is that men stay in the app constantly looking for more girls (Chad with his 5 situationships etc) while women get on the app for a few weeks, meet someone, and leave. At any given time the apps are 80-20 but over the course of a year they are 60-40 or 50-50 depending on the app. Hinge released data to this effect
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:10 PM
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What makes you think this guy is a LARP? 20-50 matches a day is a lot but not insane if he lives in a big city like NYC
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:07 PM
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Majority of new couples meet online or via socials.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:52 PM
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I hear what you’re saying but this solution can’t work for everyone. Some dudes will just be shit outta luck. China has 30 million excess men (and Chinese society is even more materialistic and hypergamous than the US), these dudes can lower their standards all they want, as long as “has a pulse” is a standard they will be incel. They can leave China but that’s it. As you can imagine there are guys in the US who just don’t make the cut. Unattractive, overweight, broke, NEET, disabled, crippling …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:48 PM
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The market value of maternity leaver’s labor and the non-leaver’s labor will reflect the difference in ability. If a woman left the workforce but is still a rockstar, she’ll get hired at a good wage. This isn’t an issue that requires intervention. Societies don’t need the mating system to work actually. Once upon a time, national power was a function of land and manpower basically exclusively. More population = better, you get more soldiers. However today countries with small populations and hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 10:05 PM
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Why is this an issue? Because the woman is bothered by it? Think about your framing, imagine a smart capable mechanic man who has taken 5 years off and re-enters the mechanic world. He isn’t familiar with the latest car technology so he is getting relatively mundane boring jobs versus the high-end design work he had before. His old mechanic friends never took time off and they’re making more money. Should we do something to tackle that mechanic’s problem? Or should he just live with the conseque…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 04:40 AM
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"Harmless" men=no sex. Men need a little bit of edge to get laid. (wifing up some 35 yo woman who only wants to have kids doesn't count) Nothing to do with harmlessness. Men in 1930 would get married at 20 and then go off to war, you think those 20-something pencil-neck raw recruits were "hard"? They weren't, society just had rigid expectations and people had few choices. Today there is significantly more choice, and women choose Chad. If your theory was correct, the biggest slayers today would …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:35 PM
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He’s pretty neat and orderly for a man! This is stereotyping, women aren't more neat than men anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:33 PM
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IIT: Women say that the man they're currently dating is amazing and does all the chores; and simultaneously say that all their ex's were awful and did no chores. Similar to how women when surveyed all say their current partner has an above average penis but say their ex's had a below average penis (statistically impossible). Just for virtue-signaling reasons, every woman will claim that her current partner is perfect so she can say "gotcha incels, if you only did chores like my hubby you would g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:32 PM
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They want work that reflects their abilities and that is not punished because they took time off. Currently, in competitive careers, if you work 70% of the lifetime hours you likely get nowhere near 70% of the lifetime pay. The mothers aren't being punished for taking time off. It's the non-parents being rewarded for not taking time off. I'm a single guy in his 30s, and I do more business trips than my coworkers who are fathers. They go home to their wife/kids, I don't have any so I go to the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:55 PM
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No coercive exactly because money is not the same as sexual consent but not good What's the distinction? You can coerce someone out of money (extortion is the crime of coercing money out of someone), and you can coerce sex out of someone as you highlighted. Or are you just saying money coercion is less serious than sexual consent coercion? No unless that was an actual conversation they had. “I’m paying for dinner but only if you’re serious about me, what do you think?” So unless the woman says "…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:45 PM
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This is a disturbing post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:41 PM
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This OP only goes after the male version of this (obfuscation to get laid) and not the female version (obfuscation for money gifts dates etc). So the OP comes across as biased
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:42 PM
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Is it coercive if a man pays for the woman’s food drinks gifts thinking she is interested in a relationship, but in her mind she isn’t and is just going along for the free stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:41 PM
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What you’re missing is that men will get rejected by 95% of women they pursue, so if the only reward from the 5% was some fulfilling friendship 4 years down the line, it would be too unmotivating. It’s like convincing someone to save diligently for their retirement in 10 years but they can never spend money on a treat, people need near-term rewards to keep going
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:38 PM
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Beaches are the landform next to the body of water. The water washes over the landform where you are standing, or the tide rises, and there’s a shark in the water. Use your imagination. Did you think my hypothetical was about a beached dead shark? Stop being pedantic and address the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:29 PM
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The shark is in the water genius
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:52 PM
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The correct denominator is not number of bears, it's number of bear encounters or woman-hours spent around the bear. The majority of women will never interact with a bear in their lifetimes. By your argument sharks are less dangerous than men because shark attacks are rare. Would you rather be at the beach with a shark or with a random guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:43 PM
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This is a femcel view, there are women out there who just inspire love/thirst/simping. They usually have high SMV but it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:38 PM
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Ok I think I’ll stop our discussion here, you aren’t comprehending what I’m saying. Re-read my posts and maybe it will sink in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:37 PM
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You're doing it again. Ignoring the probabilities. Ok what is higher risk behavior? Flying in an airplane or biking through traffic in rush hour? Airplane accident will kill you, bike accident will break a bone. The answer is biking through traffic because airplane accidents have a lower base rate. Getting murdered on a first date is such a remote possibility, it's the equivalent of dying in an airplane crash, getting hit by lightning, etc. Getting kicked out of your gym for approaching women, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:09 PM
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If guys don't subscribe to that gender role (approaching), they go celibate. You don't have to pay that price if you don't subscribe to your gender role. I'm assuming you have a sex drive and want a romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:04 PM
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To be fair to ER, he is less racist than the chadfish of the Neo-Nazi blond hot guy who got 500 tinder matches including with Asian girls he openly wrote slurs to. You can be pretty racist if you're Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:04 AM
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If you’re unable to hold a conversation with a person without upsetting them, how the fuck are you going to get anyone to like you What percentage of men struggling with dating would you say are unable to hold a conversation without upsetting someone? Keep in mind that 60% of men under 30 are single, and the rate of neurodivergence is about 3% in the population. How many millions of men in the US do you think are unable to hold a conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:02 AM
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I presented those two scenarios to illustrate that weighing the magnitude of harm without weighing the probability of harm is misleading. Which is what you did in your OP saying "men don't want to be threats, women don't want to be murdered." I don't have to bring stats because I'm not asserting that women have it worse because murder is rampant. That said, it is extremely rare to be murdered by a man cold approaching you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:00 AM
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u/bondepart you aren't appreciating that 1) many women disagree with you and want men to approach, and men can't tell which is which a priori, and 2) men have to approach, it's part of our gender role, for many guys if they don't approach they will have no social/romantic life at all. It might specifically bother you but you're a victim of the cultural gender norms just like he is, he would rather not be approaching but he has no choice, and you would rather not be approaching but you have no ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:55 AM
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A man can certainly be murdered. It's possible to approach the wrong woman and have her get violent, or she has a friend/sibling/boyfriend in the area who sees the approach and gets violent. It's rare but so is getting raped or murdered by a random guy trying to get your number.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:52 AM
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Men don't want to be seen as threats, women don't want to end up murdered. This isn't the correct way to think about risk. Women don't want to end up murdered but it's an extremely low probability event, especially considering the number of strangers a woman will meet and date throughout her life. It's actually more likely for a woman to die in a car crash on her way to the date than to be killed by a creepy guy, by an order of magnitude. On the other hand, a man regularly approaching women will…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:30 AM
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I’m not saying that every man (or woman) can achieve that in our current economic system but that the expectation of making money is due to necessity, not gender. It is still expected for the man to make more than the woman, even when it's not strictly necessary for the woman to survive. Low cost of living, high cost of living, high school educated, doctor, doesn't matter, the woman expects her male partner to make more. There are exceptions but I don't think you can dispute that this is the gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:39 PM
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Worth mentioning that you can't leave the military once you sign up, or you're a deserter. Whereas a woman can leave her age gap relationship at any time, and if the guy gets stalkery she can get a restraining order. Similar with student loans, once you sign up you're on the hook. Whereas you can leave relationships. On that basis I think it's a weak analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:15 PM
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Nowadays it's definitely trendy to be dating a content creator or tech startup bro, and both these people would be CEOs. Destiny the content creator is somewhat infamous for dating women half his age using his internet clout
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:13 PM
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What percentage of her text exchanges involve weird dudes? Is it 60%? Cus that’s the rate of singles. Look we don’t need to argue, research has been done on this, most male OLD users can barely get matches so the issue can’t be their social maladroitness, they’re not even getting to chat. Bluepill will dance around this forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:20 PM
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You have 3 threads on the front page and they're all the same pattern: "[reasonable complaint] doesn't equal [over-the-top strawman]" Then you bait everyone into arguing over the over-the-top strawman. Men's mental health issues boils down to dudes fishing for pity sex? Really? You have 15 threads posted in the past few weeks. They're always the same and you never debate in good faith or change your mind. Specifically you violate the following criterion from the automod: An unwillingness to deba…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:55 PM
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Waiting for any examples or evidence of how Chad puts in more effort that the guys in the OP. You think Chad reads women's profiles?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:45 PM
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So when women complain about their situationship sending them 2am "u up?" texts, that's considered effort? How about guys who won't set up a proper date and just invite the girl over to his apt, that's effort? Show me Chad's effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:30 PM
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So all men who are alone deserve to be alone? Isn't that a just world fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:02 PM
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So can you explain why 6'2" guys are fumbling less than 5'6" guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:02 PM
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I'm sure it exists, however the topic is about reading profiles before matching. If you're going to assert that guys are struggling because they don't read bios, you should back that up with something besides "it happened once."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:57 PM
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Chad doesn't put in effort though, so it's not like effort is the critical element.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:55 PM
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The problem with this view is, we have data showing that if all you do is modify a guy's height, you get better or worse matches and the effect size is large. This kind of analysis removes the impact of "how they're talking to women" because short guys and tall guys on average will have similar humor, similar effort, etc. So, armed with the data I mentioned above, we can be fairly confident that the 5'2" guy isn't swimming in matches but then fumbling them because of cringe communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:53 PM
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"Just put in effort and become 6'3" bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:49 PM
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I always found the "just be yourself and take a shower" bluepill advice to be hilarious. They think guys never thought about that? At no point did one of these incels in high school decide to take a shower and have a social interaction? Bluepillers also way overstate how many autists are out there. Every dating issue is now explained by autistic guys even though 60% of <30yo men are single. Autism is like 3% of the population tops.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:48 PM
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He's right though, reading bios is a waste of time before you match with her. The odds of matching can be 1 in 200, vanishingly small, so the guy is better off swiping on more women than reading the bio of a woman he hasn't matched with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:43 PM
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Assuming you won't run out of users, you maximize your odds of having a date by sending more likes to more women, rather than sending personalized openers. Personalized opener might cost you 60 seconds of reading and mental energy, you could swipe on 10 women in those 60 seconds. Average guys have match rates as low as 1 in 300, you need to work enough volume to get matches in the first place. Personalized messages work against that. Again the caveat is, if you're going to run out of women quick…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:41 PM
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Many of the modern apps allow the man to send a short comment along with his match. Hinge and Bumble both allow this I believe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:38 PM
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I think OP and most men would agree with that. But try as we might, no major western society has figured out how to create more relationships. Everyone dates online, the women go for the top guys and get used as free options, and the less attractive men and women wallow in their mom's house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:57 PM
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It's not like there's plenty of dating but a lack of cohabitation. If so then yeah, maybe the issue is that women don't want to split bills. However there's not much dating, the % of the population that is single keeps growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:13 PM
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No evidence that women would rather go full celibate than sleep with Chads who won't commit. Until women prefer the former, there will be plenty of sex for Chad, plenty of broken hearts for ladies, and plenty of incels in the basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:36 PM
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There are more options than ever now actually. Plenty of bars dont charge entry, plenty of gyms cost around $30, if you legit want to socialise, you can. It's never been easier to walk outside and go to a free event. Magazines like TimeOut, instagram channels, websites, etc. all advertise stuff going on. I am into music and there are often 12-15 shows happening per night, not to mention free gigs or jam sessions. One goes and there are barely any Gen Z, few women, and the young people are all an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:23 PM
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Why would a women settle with a man she has to split bills with Companionship, love, growing together as a couple, all that lovey-dovey stuff? Or is that stuff so worthless that unless the man ups the ante with $$, she'd rather hang out with girlfriends and get pumped-and-dumped by Chads off Bumble?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:17 PM
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I’m 5’9, pretty average looking in my opinion This is most of what we need to know, 5'9" and average will not get a lot of likes. You haven't mentioned your race but if it's anything other than white then these are pretty typical stats
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:20 AM
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2009 study and based on self-reports, aka useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:17 AM
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What is this link supposed to prove? 78% of bachelor degrees have “lasting” marriage aka >20 years, so does 15 years not count as a long enough relationship? What’s the cutoff? If you’re going to play no-true-Scotsman with relationships that don’t last literally till death, just be direct about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:12 AM
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Yes but this is a totally useless comparison. The guy’s attractiveness is way more important than his age. If 5% of 30+ guys can pick up on the club and 10% of <30 guys can pick up, saying that “20-something guys have 2x better chance” is useless, the question is how to get into the elite group. Moreover most attractive 30yo guys were attractive on their 20s, so the age is even less important. The determining factor is whether the guy is hot. Look I’m a 6’2” guy with a 6/10 face on my best day, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:55 PM
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Only 30-something mid guys. If Timothee Chalamet (29) or Chico Lachowski (34) approached you in a club, after you collected yourself you’d follow him into the bathroom at his request. Let’s stop acting like early 20s is some kind of golden era for guys because they do super well with early 20s women. Most young men aren’t getting squat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:48 PM
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Most women in their early 20s don’t find 20 year old dudes attractive either. An attractive 30yo guy has a way better chance with a 21yo club girl than an average-looking 21yo guy. Keep in mind that most male heartthrobs today are in their 30s. Even the arch-prettyboy Tim Chalamet is 29. My advice to a 30-something guy, shoot your shot, if you’re getting traction then congrats, you’re attractive enough to pipe early-20s women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:45 PM
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If you’re not Chad. If you’re Chad then anywhere is a good place to approach and the complaint is “why aren’t guys taking the lead.” I know chads that dated girls at the gym, picked them up at the grocery store, at work, even sitting next to her on an airplane (they banged on the flight). Imagine how PPD women would react if incels started making moves on a 5 hour flight with no escape LOL. Ignore women, if you’re hot these dumb rules fly out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:42 PM
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So the relationship doesn’t count because they broke up 5 years later? Average length of marriage is 10 years, those don’t count because the couple split?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:39 PM
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Well that’s my point, if looks were the be all and end all I’m sure older women in nursing homes wouldn’t get a second glance since as I’ve heard time and time again the best looking women are between 18 and 25. I'm sure that the typical 70-year-old man in a nursing home would rather sleep with Vittoria Ceretti (Leo's new model girlfriend) than with another 70yo, but men will pursue what's available and what's around them. I can say with some confidence that the attractive 70yo women at the nurs…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:56 PM
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I have a trust fund and plan to be a SAHD or general house husband (if we don’t have kids). My trust can pay for my expenses with some left over. Any income she brings in would be hers to spend as she sees fit. If we have kids, we come up with a budget for kid expenses. My trust will cover my share of that budget. She’d cover any excess from her income. Because of the trust structure, I should have perpetual income unless we dip into principle, which would only happen if she bullies me into spen…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 07:57 PM
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Beauty kinda does last for a lifetime. Attractive 30yos (relative to other 30yo) tend to be attractive 50yo (relative to other 50yo) Now the rest of that sounds great, empathy humanity compassion etc, however they don’t help that much for getting into relationships - which is a prerequisite for having a lifetime relationship in the first place - so I suspect it’s better to be attractive and inhumane than unattractive and humane. Ideally you’d want to be attractive and humane but I suspect that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 07:51 PM
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Gonna need to source a claim like “women prefer uglier guys for marriage.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 07:44 PM
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“Smash and pass” isn’t abuse. It’s just a guy getting his rocks off and the Chadsexual girl pining for him instead of lowering her standards and dating a guy who would be happy to commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:14 PM
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Don’t atttactive people have longer relationships and spend less time being single? Beauty does maintain relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:12 PM
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My ex by her own admission, married a guy that she isn't even attracted to, makes him wear condoms during sex. This is brutal. Are you a Chad? No more than a week without sex? You have a perma-harem or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:06 AM
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The wealth transfer economy from men to women is bigger than you think. Cashapp is an egregious one but there’s onlyfans, guys who pay for women they’re not dating (common to have a mixed group go to a bar/club and only the guys pay), buying women stuff on their Amazon wishlists, superchatting Twitch streamers, etc. Of course it’s hard to know your rating and the women’s rating, however you should consider that women’s looks ratings typically get inflated. Looks ratings should be on a bell curve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:04 PM
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Oofy doofy implies an NPC bluepilled guy who is also average, ergo he gets duped by women. For example the guys cashapp’ing women and otherwise simping for them are classic oofy-doofy. Chad can be a happy-go-lucky theater energy Peter Pan, the difference is that girls want to bang him on raw attraction. Oofy-doofy with a girlfriend is typically a doormat, betabuxxed, and/or dead-bedroomed. Note that you can be a non-Chad and not be oofy doofy if the girl doesn’t have options way hotter than you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:11 PM
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This is the most common definition. Guy whose main selling point is stability/finances. She’d never date him if he were broke, but she’d date/fuck broke Chad. Also known as oofy-doofy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:13 PM
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My mind wouldn’t change, if I went down to 6 figures and couldn’t fully afford life basics and healthcare, I’d be bothered, but that’s consistent with my current view. You need the basics taken care of fully before money has diminishing marginal utility
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:00 PM
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That’s not how the math works. A savings portfolio generates interest above inflation, and the saver lives for the interest. Generally you can live off of 3.5% to 4% of the portfolio value. That means a $50k/yr spend requires 1.25m to 1.5M. Similarly someone working and saving money would be compounding interest over time. You can find calculators online. I just plugged in $1k saved per month ($12k/yr or 25% of your $50k earned), if that compounds at 7% which is the average stock market return, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:58 PM
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Simps everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:10 PM
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As a rich person I can confirm that this is true. I have a bit under $10m in the bank and the only things I can’t buy are yachts and mega mansions. But any normal-person purchase I can buy. Once you’ve got food shelter healthcare and hobbies fully covered, the extra toys and glam doesn’t bring that much happiness. So there’s a diminishing return but it’s at a pretty high amount, I’d say $5m
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:09 PM
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Frustrating that women’s responses is basically “online isn’t real life.” In real life, women expect men to pay, make more money, provide when she has kids, etc. This isn’t an online phenomenon. I don’t think it’s that complicated. Relationships have a transactional element to them and growing wealth inequality means that the amount of capital that the ultra-wealthy men can throw at poor but attractive young women is at all time highs. Women hear stories of guys paying for all-expense paid trips…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:31 PM
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I noticed you intentionally didn’t give a timeframe so you could weasel out of this one…we both know even in the Midwest, most people don’t define the relationship on date 1 and 2. Hang out in Chicago or Madison WI, tons of people will date/hook up and have “the talk” after weeks have passed. It’s standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:02 PM
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The guy doesn’t need to be shady about it. People “catch feelings” for their FWB all the time, and some people say they were used even when there was no indication that the FWB was considering an exclusive relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:52 AM
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Culturally in the US it’s considered forward to demand a definition. And not volunteering a definition is not dishonest. I don’t know many people who would ask on a 1st or 2nd date “is this an exclusive relationship or not.” The “what are we” DTR conversation almost always happens after weeks or months of dating, and most couples have had sex by then. If the guy at month 3 decides not to go exclusive, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a possible at week 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:50 AM
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What repercussions are we talking about? Pregnancy is handled with birth control, STDs are much more treatable and both genders can contract it, and the odds that your casual sex partner causes harm (outside of the sadness of being pumped and dumped) is really low. But more philosophically, if the women are “used” because they are bearing more risk and not being compensated for it, how much should the compensation be? How come an exclusive relationship is the compensation (that’s the argument ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:45 AM
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I don’t think he’s neurodivergent, he’s just bluepilled (needs to change his label). Without fail the type of guy who thinks you can’t meet women at work or gym or in hobbies is a kinda bluepilled guy who isn’t attractive. Attractive guys have seen the dissonance between “don’t approach at the gym it’s creepy” and chicks playing with their hair or sticking their ass towards guys when the dude is yoked or Chad. So these bluepilled unattractive dudes walk around in a miasma of uninterested standof…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:38 AM
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This exchange is a good example why PPD women throwing anecdotes like “looks don’t matter, the most successful guy I know is a 5’6” fat balding Indian janitor” is complete BS and should be mocked. Thanks for letting us know how much credibility you have (none)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:54 PM
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I think that’s all I need to know. Your 5’6” fat friend isn’t slaying. You talked about sexual success. Sorry but a man sleeping with dozens of professionally attractive women (models, waitresses, bottle service girls) is the definition of sexual success. Whether that’s the kind of success one should pursue is a different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:44 PM
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I’m not at 50 a year, I’m giving you some of my friend’s numbers. The guy who plowed 30 in 2 months was going through a bad breakup and basically went berserk, he was out every Thursday Friday Saturday, would sleep with a girl Friday night, kick her out, go to boozy brunch and take a girl home Saturday afternoon, go out Saturday night, etc. I have another friend who would triple-stack, make a 6pm, 8pm, and 10pm date. If 6pm is going well, flake on 8pm and 10pm and sleep with 6pm. If 6pm isn’t go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:14 AM
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Is he a chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:46 PM
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That’s a reasonable take, I just think it’s not helpful to overstate the impact of fashion haircuts etc. It’s not constructive to have guys start dropping thousands of $ on luxury fashion and grooming and get no results, but that’s what threads that OP criticizes risk doing if guys listen to this. The correct message imo is “grooming and fashion help, however they amplify your base and if your base is low, it will be an uphill battle. It might take years to get traction, if you ever do.” Then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:36 PM
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I can say with some confidence that your 5’6” friend is not the most sexually successful guy in your circle, he’s just the only one you know about. I have a broad array of male friends and the slayers (6ft+, handsome, ripped) can easily have sex with 50 women a year. I have seen 30 women in 2 months. Is your chubby short friend anywhere close to this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:07 PM
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Of course women aggressively filter on these immutable characteristics - height, face shape, etc. Let's say a man is filtered out by 50% of women based on his height. That sucks. But 50% of women are still in play. A guy of this height who is dressed sloppily will be filtered out by a woman in that remaining 50% and another guy of the same height who is dressed well will not. Your entire argument rests on these percentages. What if a man was filtered out by 95% of women based on his height? Btw …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:58 PM
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I think this phenomenon is why dating standards are so rigid. A girl doesn’t want to deal with the social shame of sending around a “bad prospect” to her girlfriends, so she needs the guy to be photogenic acceptable (that tends to mean tall, vanilla, fit, handsome). The more she strays, the more social cost. Toxic imo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:50 PM
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I didn’t say it was the only possible explanation, I said it was “one possible explanation.” Reading comprehension issues? Your argument falls flat anyway because of the age bands in the question. The census asked 18-29s. If women date men a couple years old, that would take place at both ends of the age range, aka there would be enough 17yo woman/19yo man couples to balance out 28yo woman/30yo man couples. For your theory to be true, the average age gap would need to be increasing with age (aka…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:46 PM
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A bit of both. The current assumption in the US is that unless you’ve DTR’d (defined the relationship) and gone exclusive, the other side is free to date other people. However most guys and gals are going to proactively tell you. So, a classic situation, Jim and Jane match on an app, they have been dating for 2-3 months. At that point Jane asks Jim “what are we?” Jim answers “I really like hanging out with you but I’m not ready for anything serious.” Jane goes on an Are We Dating the Same Guy gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:23 AM
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What’s an AP
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 05:51 AM
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I can’t say for sure, but the concern women seem to have with me being SAHD is that they’ll need to carry the burden of career. It’s one thing to pursue your career but have a fall-back in the form of the other spouse. And then there’s just traditional gender roles, there are women who think men doing housework and child rearing isn’t masculine, and even more women who plan to reduce their work hours post-child birth, not redouble their efforts into working. All neither here nor there, I don’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:35 PM
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You’re in the minority, we have some recent data in the US and women making significantly more (census defines that as greater than 60% of the combined income) is like 16% of marriages. Funny enough there are more 6ft tall men than there are women who carry the financial burden lmao. A unicorn. I wouldn’t mind being a SAHD at all, I’ve always said to myself that if I did have kids (not interested right now), I’d want to see them all the time rather than slave away at work and be absent like my d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:37 PM
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Alpha fucks beta bux Alpha slays beta pays Alpha pipes beta gripes Alpha sex beta checks Alpha bends her low, beta sends venmo Alpha smash beta cash Alpha she jerkin, beta buys birkin Alpha smash that, beta cash app Alpha head beta bread
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:23 PM
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Disagree with this post, you’re overthinking it. It’s just a supply-demand issue. Here’s a good analogy, women are looking for plots of land to settle down, and for whatever reason, oceanfront is considered ideal. And hey, this is a lifelong commitment so it makes sense to want your ideal plot of land. However there’s a fixed amount of beachfront real estate and except for stuff like Dubai Palms, you can’t create beachfront out of nowhere. There isn’t any way to increase the supply of “good” guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:01 PM
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Women’s career don’t really matter, it just changes your dating pool but not the dynamics. Dating a store clerk? She expects you to make more than her and pay for stuff. Dating a lawyer? She expects you to make more money and pay for stuff. In either case, assuming you make more money as she expects, you can get rinsed in divorce. If women were dating guys who make less than them in droves, then you’d have a point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:45 PM
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Even men who don’t want to get married and have kids are expected to pay. The expectation to pay has nothing to do with compensating women for indeterminate amounts of “unpaid labor” (raising his children? Aren’t they your children too).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:42 PM
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There was an interesting paper from a lab in the Netherlands, they created profiles and included Chad or non-Chad photos. The chads got bigger boosts from non-looks variables than the non-Chads. For example they made some guys really well-read (profile text with perfect grammar and book references). The non-Chad guy who reads had the same (low) score as the non-Chad who didn’t read. Whereas the Chad who reads had a boost over the Chad who didn’t read. Conclusion, all this advice is most useful f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:31 PM
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Normies will find every explanation besides your looks. I used to have a messed up eye deformity, normally it occurs with thyroid disorders but mine was natural. Basically looked like my bottom eyelids were sagging away. I would post profile pic reviews and people would say my smile looks forced, or I look unhappy, or I look too smart which makes me unapproachable. Then I got surgery for the eyelid deformity, took pics after healing up, and dated a couple of models…what a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:25 PM
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No dog in this fight, but want to mention that alpha widow theory does account for most women and men being in relationships. The argument is that the men are betabuxx oofy-doofys who are about to get deadbedroomed. The woman is dating them for security but they’re on a clock m, eventually the gap between Chad and her betabuxx borefriend will be overwhelming and she’ll cheat or divorce him for a nice payout
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:23 PM
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Zuck would bag models if he wanted though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:21 PM
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The underlying assumption here is that if you’re below a 5 you are cooked, so these marginal actions to go from a 2 to a 3 are essentially useless. It’s like being homeless and getting handed $20 for the month. You’re still too far to afford rent even though you’re slightly richer than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:20 PM
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My oofy-doofy alarm is going off
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:08 PM
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Logic remains the same, women get exposed to disproportionately more rich guys than random chance because 1) women filter for "rich guy" traits, and 2) people play the numbers game. I dated a girl in LA, her ex-bf was a multi-millionaire, she was dating me who made six figures, and the other dude she was talking to was worth 9-figures. She was an executive assistant. However she was blonde and decently attractive, I'd give her a 6/10. Yes it's a bit shocking that 6/10 girls can get millionaires …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:07 PM
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How tall is your husband and how many sexual partners has he had?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:29 PM
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I think you don’t realise that for this theory to be close to reality many women have to at least meet millionaires, and they don’t. That's where you're wrong. Take any woman in a big city and she's almost certainly gone on a date with a millionaire. Numbers time, NYC has 400k millionaires out of a population of 8M. That's 5% of the population. A woman can easily go on 30-40 online dates in a year. Quoting a recent survey: Nearly half, 48%, of singles under the age of 35 want a serious or commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:29 PM
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Oofy-doofy husband detected
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:19 PM
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I think you're agreeing with me. There aren't enough hot rich tall guys for every woman to get one. Acknowledging that fact, according to you, is "settling." But it's just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:57 PM
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That's misrepresenting the argument a bit. Fundamentally the concern is that modern society, for a variety of reasons - social media, girlboss culture, materialism, makes women select men on criteria that are not conducive to either the man or the woman's long-term interests. A bit like how people might deliberately eat only junk food even though veggies would be better for them. Women say they want to settle down with a respectable guy with a decent job who will be a life-long partner. But they…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:45 PM
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Incel lingo is so funny, “ogremaxxed giga-Tyrone”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:23 PM
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Brutal stuff, unattractive people are not treated very nicely. Not sure why you don’t count. That said, most women would get back on the hamster wheel
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:21 PM
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The groups I listed are super broad. Right wing nationalists is millions of people. Muslim Americans is 5 million people. Fundamentalist Christian is millions of people. If what you had in mind in terms of groups was “women” or “college students” or “employed people”, that is the tens or hundreds of millions, then yea most groups don’t do terrorism Edit: I listed fundamentalist Christians due to the periodic bombings of secular facitilities, abortion clinics, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:53 AM
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Did you read anything I wrote? They’re less represented than Islamic terror, and the biggest mass shooting group is right-wing paramilitary nationalist types. If anything incels are kinda docile
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 01:28 AM
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The vast majority of women do not go over to a strangers house to have sex. Maybe I can phrase it this way. There’s a baseline amount of investment that guys typically have to put in. Every woman has her own comfort level. Maybe it’s a meet-cute on the park, maybe it’s drinks, maybe it’s dinner, maybe it’s 2 dates, maybe it’s 5 dates. Chad by virtue of her interest can put in the lowest investment that individual woman is comfortable with. Some women will go straight over, this has been document…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 01:27 AM
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The guys with community, family, jobs, etc, are way more dangerous than incels...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 09:24 PM
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There are more isolated young men now, because of screens. Why are crime rates lower today than in the 80s, on a per 100k basis? Incels are one of the least violent of the extremist groups. 60 people have died to incel violence in the past 15 years, the majority from ER. Something like 30% of men 18-30 are virgins, and I'll conservatively say that 10% of these guys (so 3% of the pop) are consuming incel/redpill/blackpill content. That gives us about 700k. As a comparison, there are about 700k ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 09:13 PM
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You’re doing all mental gymnastics possible to not admit Chad dominates OLD. Now the claim is that the girls are all just farming instagram followers? Do you know what percentage of women’s profiles have an instagram on them? It’s in the 10-20% range, maybe lower. Most of the girls are looking for dates, they just all chase the same hot guys. There’s even a concept called “standout jail” which refers to the apps putting the best profiles (hottest people) behind a paywall (Hinge in particular). O…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:29 PM
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Point is that Chad doesn't need to have reasonable chats, he just matches with 20 girls, invites them all over, and 2-3 say yes, and he picks whichever he prefers. Generic average dude matches with 2 girls, has a long convo with them, and they flake. From the girl's perspective, she had 100 inbound matches, 3 of the guys were hot, she matched with those 3, they all said "hey come over", she either said yes or more likely demured, and after being sick of the direct sex talk, she matched with an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:13 PM
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no women are attracted to you This is moving the goalposts. OP main text says "women aren't all attracted to Chad," now your argument is "just because they're all attracted to conventionally attractive Chad doesn't mean some aren't also attracted to ugly guys" Everyone knows that average guys have some woman somewhere who finds them attractive, perhaps in a trailer park somewhere, after 3 years of unsuccessful dating. But Chad has more women that find him attractive right now, on his phone, at b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:37 PM
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Chad gets flaked on and ghosted less, so 300 matches goes even further for Chad. He also doesn't need to have long chats, he can invite her straight over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:35 PM
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I feel like black men are privileged in the dating scene in the US because of the BBC stereotype. I don't have any data on that, but I assume it to be true. Google “the dating divide”, it’s a book compiling research on this topic. Black men are not privileged, they do worse than white men by a factor of about 2x, sometimes more depending on the study. The issue is that there are more women who are scared of or think black men are low status; than there are women fetishizing BBC. So the result is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:34 AM
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Rehab room is Indian? I thought he was from Romania (I guess he’s an Indian Romanian)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:32 AM
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Definitely know average and below average height guys with attractive girlfriends I don’t disagree with you in principle but men and women both tend to rate women as more attractive than men. So these girls dating the short dudes might not be that attractive. Best to ask yourself “if 20 women were lined up, what rank would this girl be.” The average rating for women is like 7/10 which makes no sense, but people overrate women (especially blondes)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:29 AM
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I agree, but when Bumble is so up their own ass that they think women will message first, and they destroy millions in shareholder value in the process, they lose credibility. So that dude using Bumble billboards as evidence has lost the plot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:57 AM
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Bumble also launched on the premise that women would message first on their app. Now their stock is down 95%. Never trust Bumble to have a good finger on the pulse of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:24 PM
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While I don’t disagree with OP’s premise, he has missed an important element. Tech-enabled dating is here to stay. However privately-run dating apps are for-profit. They don’t actually care if there are more relationships, and no one has found a business model that aligns user incentives to get a gf with shareholder incentives. So the apps just use a social media algorithm addiction strategy. OP’s suggestions don’t address this incentive misalignment. Giving government subsidies or dating coachi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:17 PM
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Yes you might say that’s better than being sexless but women feel like that’s actually worse than being sexless. It’s why many many women don’t do it. I don't think there are many women who, after getting pumped-and-dumped or situationshipped for the 5th time by a hot stud from Bumble, has decided to go celibate and no longer sleep with hot guys. I would love to see statistics if you have them but this phenomenon doesn't seem to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 11:28 AM
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You make 300k, worth investing in some surgeries and seeing if you can ascend. I was a mid-tier normie, also ethnic but tall, and then I got surgery on a failo and slept with 3 models in the subsequent year or so. I'd say the surgery added .5 to 1 pt to my looks, but going from 5 to 6 or 6 to 7 is a huge deal as you know
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:01 PM
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further context im 5'4, ugly and non white (and not an exotic ethnicity either) This was obvious once you said you make 300k, go out every weekend, and are fit. These kinds of threads are annoying because OP will say stuff like "I'm just an average guy, me and all my average friends all have average girlfriends" and never give us a description of their appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:59 AM
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Chad OP was probably just running in the wrong (read:lower class) social circles. All the 6’3” model chads at prep schools or at Harvard can get married to trust fund Becky by 27. And the divorce rate is like 15% for the upper education and income levels. So OP’s error is believing that looks are actually everything. They are, for hookups. But a hot girl who went to Andover then Wharton will certainly hook up with model Chad but won’t marry him, the family veto won’t allow it. Same in gender rev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:50 AM
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Correct, but men value sex and chad gets what he values from the woman without having to give the woman what she values (exclusivity, relationship, etc). So literally Chad gets more for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:55 PM
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Posting here due to Q4W flag, but 80% of women 18-34 have had casual sex. Sure maybe they’re not constantly doing casual, but they have had it and most likely it was with a Chad more attractive than their boyfriend/husband. I just find it not credible that every single top-level comment from women says “I’ve never done casual so my husband is the hottest guy I’ve met,” the odds that 80% of PPD women have never done casual when 20% of the general population has never done casual are low. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:53 PM
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Iirc 80% of women will have had casual sex during their lifetime. So they may not regularly have casual sex, but at some point they have and it was disproportionately with Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:49 PM
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Point of my post is just that even countries where the men are in better shape socially or professionally, there is still dating angst. So that pours cold water on the hope that lifting up men will help the dating crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:25 PM
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Always loved the theory that society is going to collapse because Chad is banging too many girls, so the incels rise up and topple the government leading to anarchy. Imagine that scene from downfall with Adolf in the bunker, except it’s Jeremy Meeks with 200 women and the sound of explosions as these neckbeards close in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:08 AM
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I heard Elon Musk is a booster and account buyer lol, I just think it’s funny that he can’t accept he’s a scrub. No matter how rich you are, there’s gonna be a no-life kid grinding in his mom’s basement with more MMR. As long as one doesn’t game so hard that they cut sleep and are a zombie at work, it’s a pretty low-impact hobby. I can’t game at work but I can doomscroll instagram at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:45 AM
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Any examples of this? I don’t know what you mean, there’s been several powerful countries with women holding power. British empire was run by queens for decades, Eastern Roman Empire had queens, imperial china was run by queens, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:40 AM
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Privileged males are more privileged than their female counterparts, underprivileged males are more underprivileged than their female counterparts. Depends on your social class, location, etc. I’m a rich dude who lives in a big coastal city, males are definitely more privileged, most of the bosses at my company are dudes and they periodically get a slap on the wrist after banging a junior woman. However all the homeless people in town are dudes and some of them have their leg rotting off
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:39 AM
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I’ll add one more thing, boys/men have fatter tails in their distribution of intelligence work ethic etc. so it’s actually to be expected for more men to be falling behind and failing out since the education and professional systems are about meeting a minimum (passing grades etc). Flip side is that the freak show genius CEOs will be disproportionately men. Sucks to suck. Just another day in the genetic lottery game that is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:30 AM
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I am a high-level partner at a financial firm and I vape and play dota for like 6 hrs a day lol. People will reach for every possible explanation for why guys can’t get laid because they don’t want to admit it’s looks. So now it’s cus teenagers play video games. You think the CEO of every Fortune 500 company avoided video games as teens?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:21 AM
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I’m generally concerned that men-centric solutions won’t change much because attraction might be relative rather than absolute. There are countries with high levels of male college grads, men with good incomes, etc, but those countries still have low rates of family formation and plenty of lonely incels. Example, the Netherlands: much narrower education gap, women are 52% of grads versus almost 60% in the U.S. small gender pay gap (smaller earnings gap for young people) more women than men in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:16 AM
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She was either trolling you or too self-conscious to admit she was interested. I’ve had women say “we shouldn’t do this, we’re friends, I’m not into you” as they grab my dick and put it into them. It’s rare but cognitive dissonance is a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:57 PM
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Women who are sufficiently interested will throw themselves on you. Will start a conversation, will laugh at all your jokes even when they’re not funny, will touch you, will take your hand and put them on their body. This is especially true if the woman has had some drinks. The extremes of thirsty female behaviors are so far from polite social behavior that you can’t really confuse them unless you’re autistic. Of course there are interested women who are more subtle but if you’re a guy you can j…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:34 PM
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Typical discussions about ratings here are about looks. You see the term “looksmatch” everywhere. If you wanted to include other factors like salary or personality or whatever, you should have spoken clearly. My problem is that you’re throwing around gotchas “oh you guys don’t even know how market value is determined” while misusing and conflating terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:20 AM
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Well then your view has changed. You started with “that’s not how the levers work”, now you say “that’s how the levers work but you can’t pull them.” By the way there are ways to pull the levers, some are risky and dangerous (surgeries), others are expensive (move to a different country where you’re taller on average), but your friend won’t even entertain these if you gaslight him by saying “oh it doesn’t matter bro, there are ugly guys in relationships” which again is meaningless information, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:47 PM
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Having them be “required” is too high a bar and not particularly helpful. An ugly guy can be in 1 relationship, get dumped, and be alone forever. By definition you will never perceive this because your method is walking outside and letting availability bias show you only the uggos who went outside that day. Meanwhile hot guys might be in 4 relationships cus they’re dating multiple people, and again you wouldn’t be able to tell. “They just help” is a hell of an understatement. There’s a paper out…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:37 PM
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I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. If dating were a computer program where input X = input Y, then more of X would equal more of Y. If I have a program that says X*2 = Y, the more X I put in, the more Y I get out. Take a population of guys, the more you put in looks, the more you get out sex and relationships. You saw some ugly men in relationships, did you see the ugly men who are single at home? Did you see more ugly men or more attractive men in relationships? To the extent we have…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:50 PM
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If you went outside you’d see legions of short fat ethnic guys with wives and scores of tall white handsome guys all alone? Cus that’s what it would look like if the tokens weren’t necessary. The appearance of the guy in couples would be totally random.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:29 PM
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Those ratings aren’t market value. They’re looks ratings (sometimes called truerateme ratings). The ratings guides explicitly say they’re descriptions of looks on a normal distribution. The ratings were centered on 5 to deal with the issue of everyone thinking they’re a 7. If random PPD users misuse the term that’s on them. If you hear a redpiller or blackpiller say “the average male 5 can’t get with the average female 5” they’re talking about the looks scale. The whole argument of hypergamy is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:25 PM
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The problem is that this average guy who develops style doesn’t live in a vacuum. He’s competing with other dudes, some of whom are just more attractive than him. Picture two guys, a 5’7” guy with a dough face wearing well-fitting dress shirts and a stylish watch; and a 6’4” guy with good hair and a handsome face wearing a Uniqlo t shirt and baggy jeans. Who will get more action? Also you way underestimate men’s style. Most guys buy clothes that fit them and have decent haircuts. These changes h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:31 PM
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Depends on what you mean by 5. On PPD and in most redpill spaces (definitely in blackpill spaces) 5 means in the median of the looks distribution. Each number above 5 means 1 standard deviation above. So 33% of the pop is 6 and above. 15% is 7 and above, and so on, in a normal distribution. So a man is a 5 if, when rank ordering 100 men by attractiveness, he’s in the middle. That has nothing to do with whether he can attract women who are 5s or not. This is the problem with the bluepill argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:26 PM
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The problem is that it is a computer program. Input height, facial attractiveness, and race, and you get a relationship. The main issue is that most men can’t get the tokens. In the narrow circumstances where men can input those tokens (most obvious is white guys running to Asia where they are taller and are worshipped by locals), they often instantly get into a relationship. Don’t make this so complicated, relationships form way way easier if the woman is physically attracted to the man. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:20 PM
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This has been beaten to death. These kinds of preferences apply once the guy passed the looks theshold. Sapiosexual = I like chads with glasses who read books. “I like guys who like pets” = Chad has a dog. There’s a paper that came out this year, the effect size of being more good-looking vs more intelligent was 10x in terms of OLD match rate. Put otherwise to get the same bump of going from a 5/10 to a 6 or 7/10, your IQ needs to go from 100 to 250. If that seems insane it’s because intelligenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:11 AM
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The comment thread is specifically about income gaps, I take 0 view on the value of child rearing vs working.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:14 AM
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For some reason I got downvoted for literally reciting census data. PPD stay classy. I have no clue why there’s still a skew towards male breadwinner, could be child rearing (though birth rates are falling), could be gender pay gap, whatever. I am only correcting the record, marriages as a whole are minority “egalitarian”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:07 AM
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There aren’t 8 interpretations, he just told you the mainstream interpretation. It comes from the Pareto principle. When you hear “80% of sales are generated by 20% of salesmen” you wouldn’t intuitively assume that the salesman #21 gets 0 sales, why are you interpreting it this way now? Stop being so pedantic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:31 PM
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This doesn’t really happen, women’s ratings of men are heteroskedastic. It means that a guy with a rating of 3/10 is getting entirely 3s, but a guy with a rating of 8/10 on average is getting some 8s and some 6s and some 10s. So every woman’s top 20% is different but every woman’s bottom 50% is the same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:28 PM
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You were actively defending OP in that other thread (maybe you were OP) and people gave plenty of data, you just kept moving the goalposts. Unless data showed that all women were sleeping with the same 5% of Chads, you claimed the data was useless. Way too high a burden. The bigger question is why you demand such a high burden, why do we need “beyond a reasonable doubt” and not just “preponderance of evidence”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:26 PM
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Nice guys (really betabuxx or oofy-doofys) finish last because the woman settles for him when she’s had her fun and is itching for a kid. He then gets to fulfill daddy and breadwinner duties and have some starfish sex, and hopefully he’s in the 50% of marriages that won’t end in divorce. It is totally possible that he changed, she changed, they’re passionately in love, etc. But that’s by no means guaranteed. I don’t know if we’d ever find stats on this but I suspect most women who banged Chads i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:53 PM
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Your first paragraph is agreeing with me, the benefit of having a housewife has gone down. Whether it’s because “women suck now” which is a common redpill view (not my own personally) or because “men don’t value housework anymore” (your argument), the result is the same. One of the main reasons to get married from the male perspective has eroded. And fewer benefits means less willingness to participate, which is the question from OP. Alimony is rare but can be catastrophic, so it’s a meaningful …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:41 PM
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Yes you’re right, I should have phrased it as “80% of divorces are initiated by women” rather than 80% of women divorce. But you didn’t need to preach to me, I was only explaining where the other poster got the idea that statistically women will divorce you. o you view a relationship where the woman is "CONFINED" (your word) to household labor as a good thing? Why do you view an ideal wife as one without options, who is indentured as a servant? My personal views don’t matter, I have no interest …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:48 AM
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OP said that “statistically” this is true, I’m guessing he’s working off of the “80% of women initiate divorce” stat. But it doesn’t change the gist of the argument if it’s 80%, 60%, or 40%. A guy has to weigh the benefits of a relationship/marriage with the potential cost of losing half his net worth. Increasingly there are fewer benefits (women aren’t confined to household labor, and women don’t have to have sex with their husbands and sometimes deadbedroom) and the costs are increasing (more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 11:36 PM
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Apps are the best bang for your buck, as long as you don’t run out of people (you live in a big city for example), you will get more dates and more sex per dollar and hour invested. However you need to be at least somewhat attractive, and you rarely get lucky (at least at the bar, a drunk girl can be hot and horny and you’re right place right time)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:27 PM
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Top 5% is absolutely on dating app. The top 5% of guys by height are 6’2” and above, you’ve never seen a guy above 6’2” on an app? Same for income, if you ever matched with a tech or finance dude on a dating app between ages 20-35, that’s a top 5% income. Not to mention your typical blond hair blue eyes pretty boy is 5% by definition, blond blue eyes is recessive trait and rare
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:25 PM
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Think about how a person who is bitchy to their uber driver and won’t leave tips acts on a date? Entitled, demanding, expecting the guy to foot the whole bill, plan everything, and if she gets any ick (“ew he used a knife and fork to cut his burger”) he’s binned and she gets her free meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:22 PM
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Where’s the contradiction? Men want women but at a certain level of investment-to-reward. An unemployed person wants a job but they aren’t going to chase down a job that pays peanuts and involves dangerous working conditions. You can just handwave their concerns by saying “just don’t work then” but it doesn’t change the fact that their job opportunities are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:20 PM
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More attractive and less demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:18 PM
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Blackpill clearly won the battle royale. Young men now are under no illusions, they looksmax and pump-and-dump girls off bumble as much as they can. I find it hilarious that Gen Z uses “mogging” in casual speak, this is incel lingo from 2014.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:17 PM
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Just to echo what you’re saying, I live in NYC and hang out in tech/finance circles. I know guys making 7 figures a year. The woman you described would be a catch. One of my multimillionaire friends is dating a girl who is not fit (he runs races) and who was unemployed for 18 months and dragged her feet finding a job because he paid for everything. It’s quite bad, the bar is basically on the floor for women but there’s so much thirst from guys that a halfway attractive woman who is in shape and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:14 PM
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I didn’t read his comment as suggesting she would claim rape. Rather she’d divorce and fight for the maximum money possible, and claiming financial abuse or coercion during the prenup or some other gambit can maximize her payout. It’s fine that relationships don’t end in death, it’s not fine that divorce courts allow the massive moral hazard of incentivizing divorce via charitable alimony and child support
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:09 PM
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I can give some nightlife perspective. I’m 35 and used to be a nightlife machine. I read The Game in high school and would approach dozens of women a night. Lots of fun times were had, casual sex, relationships during college and grad school. When dating apps came out I switched to those two. Simply put the risk-reward of putting in effort is terrible right now. 15 years ago I would go out with friends and spend $50 a night on transportation there and back, cover, and drinks, for a 4-6 hour nigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:01 PM
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Fair enough but we’re not there yet, most marriages are still “man brings home bacon”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:09 PM
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Is the Netherlands in a better spot dating-wise because the guys are taller? If so that would be good evidence that height is attractive on an absolute basis not a relative basis. As far as I know there’s plenty of Dutch inkwells
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:08 PM
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Well I don’t think objectivism would work. The problem is that in extremely unequal societies (which typically happens when there’s no functioning state), the top guys just maintain harems or go polygamous. At the extreme you have the Ottoman sultan with a harem of hundreds of women. Less extreme are chiefdoms in the Middle East and Africa where the elites are the social safety net for their 6 wives, 10 concubines, and all the children. I would rather be an unattractive man in social democratic …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:02 PM
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State subsidized sex workers won’t fix the loneliness/forever-alone issue. Also not every guy wants a sex worker, it would be better to just give single guys a “dating stipend” and they can decide whether to spend it courting normie women or sleeping with pros. The subsidized surgery is an interesting idea, however I’m concerned that it just leads to an arms race. Chad is fundamentally a relative construct, if every guy gets limb-lengthening surgery, there’s a risk that women just set their heig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:50 PM
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Are you an objectivist or something? Abolish all public services besides courts police and military?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:45 PM
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Within marriages men are still the primary bread winners of the two genders on average but that gap has been steadily decreasing over the decades to the point where most relationships are egalitarian. I only want to clarify that the census considers marriages where the income split is 60-40 as egalitarian, aka a marriage where the man or woman earns up to 50% more. The majority of marriages (55%) are still male primary or sole breadwinner, but the 30% of marriages that are “egalitarian” are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:41 PM
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What facts have I ignored or left out? What did I twist? You said women care about looks less than men, I gave you peer-reviewed research showing that’s not the case (there are dozens of such findings over the past few decades). What is there to categorize? You are welcome to refute my argument but all you’ve said is that I have an ideology and I am intentionally radicalizing men to hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:15 PM
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What facts have I ignored or left out? What did I twist? You said women care about looks less than men, I gave you peer-reviewed research showing that’s not the case (there are dozens of such findings over the past few decades). What is there to categorize? You are welcome to refute my argument but all you’ve said is that I have an ideology and I am intentionally radicalizing men to hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:15 PM
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No ideology required, this topic has been beaten to death in the social sciences. We know that factors like height and race have a massive impact on dating outcomes. If controlled experiments and studies are not valid, why would your anecdote about your beautiful blonde friend with a chubby fiancé be more valid? Whether men get radicalized or not by this information is outside the scope of this topic, it doesn’t change the facts on the ground. For what it’s worth I like women, I’ve had girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:02 PM
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60% of men 20-30 are single, tech/STEM is something like 8% of the workforce. So your assertion that the single guys are all shy nerds and the blue collar guys are mostly in relationships is almost certainly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 11:21 AM
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Facial features are like 90% genetic, maybe if you are overweight you can improve your facial features by losing weight but that’s about it. Most guys can’t “improve their face”, your typical adult male doesn’t have crippling acne. You either have good features, jawline, etc, or you don’t. Same with hair, most guys have reasonable haircuts that are appropriate for the workplace. You don’t need a $200 salon haircut, if you can’t get girls with a $30 supercut you’re probably ugly. Hair matters mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:54 AM
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Height, face, hair, and race are the main components of a man’s looks, and you can’t change any of them except hair (transplants or meds) and face (losing weight and skincare). If every man started pouring energy into his appearance it wouldn’t change 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:51 AM
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This is a no-true-Scotsman and it’s everywhere in this sub. “High value men want commitment and marriage so if a man doesn’t commit he’s not high value.” Oh really? So Leonardo DiCaprio is “low value” and no woman would accept a marriage proposal from him because he notoriously doesn’t commit to his supermodel girlfriends? The reality is that marriage-mindedness, whatever that means, isn’t the value driver. Looks money status intelligence personality etc are. There are legions of women in situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:48 AM
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Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:54 AM
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We know the stats, 40-60% of men are single depending on the age group (20-30 has higher % of single)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:53 AM
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it seems pretty anti-feminist and counterproductive to attempt to dramatically alter your appearance to attract a long-term partner. I don't follow the logic. Alter your appearance -> have a shot at a hotter/richer/more desirable guy. Don't alter your appearance -> don't have a shot. What's anti-feminist about this? Does feminism prescribe that women should never take actions that increase their chances of landing a hotter/richer/more desirable guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:47 AM
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I don't understand how it could possibly cost that much to be attractive to men. It doesn't if you have good fundamental looks to begin with. However a lot of mid girls spend a ton on beauty products to keep up and then expect the man shell out cash to compensate. This strategy is a gamble and doesn't always work out. A Stacy is a Stacy whether she's bare-faced or fully made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:08 AM
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HVAC repair isn’t the only maintenance task obviously. The correct way to assess this is to pick a reasonable labor cost per hour, tally up the number of hours, and compare. I find this whole debate funny, women want compensation for getting pregnant, and unless the man brings more value add, the woman will withhold pregnancy? Good luck with that, the number of baby-crazy women in their 30s tells me we’ll be seeing plenty of pregnancies whether the guy adds value or not. And in any case chad’s v…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:16 PM
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The average maintenance cost for a home in the U.S. is 1% of the home value, per year. Mostly it’s the big items like fixing a roof or fixing the HVAC system, which requires a professional, but the other stuff (plumbing, broken light fixtures, painting, yard work) adds up. Median home price in USA is 400k, 1% of that is 4k, and I’m going to be conservative and say that 75% of this maintenance is big items that require a professional. So having a handy DIY guy can save $1k a year conservatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:28 PM
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I don’t understand what biological labor is. Woman spends 9 months carrying a baby, delivers baby. The market price is $150k, she spends 18 months physically dealing with the pregnancy. What’s the value? Isn’t it the $150k? Or are you saying the value is the time investment of 18 months per pregnancy? Is that biological labor? I hope not because your argument falls apart as soon as a man has a stay at home wife, he’s doing “biological labor” of 40 hours per week to earn the paycheck and if anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 09:03 AM
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You’re the OP of a thread discussing the “value add” of pregnancy and you didn’t mention the market price of pregnancy. How could anyone assess if men are bringing “too much” or “not enough” value otherwise? Only if we assign some ephemeral virtue to childbirth, literally virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:15 AM
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There’s another discussion in thread about how the total cost of surrogacy is $150k on average if we include health insurance, lost wages, etc. we shouldn’t anchor on my $80k number, the point is that the “value add” of pregnancy is quantifiable. How many births does a woman do in her lifetime, how many HVAC repairs and gutter cleanings does a man do in his lifetime? I suspect it’s roughly even, probably leaning towards the man doing more “value add”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:08 AM
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I’ve never heard of this stuff, what are you talking about??
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:44 PM
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My market price is outdated, I last checked before covid. However the point remains, there’s a market price. I take umbrage at arguments that women do this incalculable service to their husbands by bearing them children. People claiming this never bring up surrogacy and never grapple with the fact that she gets a kid too. In the end the conclusion is the same, guys need to do more, pay more, give up more in divorce, etc etc, because women have wombs. It’s an unbounded debt. Surrogacy as a concep…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:43 PM
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It does help. It sounds like you would have put the $50k in escrow, at least I’m assuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:38 PM
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The surrogacy cost includes health insurance, life insurance, lost wages for the surrogate, etc. Also it’s $100-250k now, my $80k number was going off memory pre-covid (inflation is a bitch). The health insurance portion is $20k or so, statistically speaking that’s the expected cost of any complication. If a woman got pregnant and didn’t know whether she’d get an autoimmune disease, she should rationally pay $20k for a policy. If she gets a crazy disease insurance will pay out, if she doesn’t sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:19 AM
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Obviously every individual couple is different, I know couples where she has millions of dollars and he’s broke renting a $2k apartment. I am only here to reject the premise of the OP. The value of childbirth is surrogacy, when women have the means to outsource childbirth, they pay $80k for it. So if we’re operating under the assumption that men have to compensate for childbirth, it means the man needs to provide $80k in benefits, cash or otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:08 AM
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The point isn’t that men are or aren’t doing it, it’s that we know the value of pregnancy. If I’m a man and a woman says “you need to bring in extra cash to offset the fact that I’m going to deliver your baby,” the amount I need to bring in is $80k. If she asks for more, it’s cheaper to hire a surrogate. Presumably my spouse has already agreed to use her eggs. This is a dumb thread because the “value-add” of childbirth has already been commodified and priced. It’s like a guy saying “if I’m expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:59 AM
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I’m not recommending surrogacy, I’m just saying that a thread about the nebulous “value-add” of pregnancy and childbirth that doesn’t mention pregnancy is virtue-signaling. Lots of discussions about the “unpaid labor” women are subject to, whether emotional, household management, etc. Assessing the value of that labor is important to the discussion. In the case of pregnancy, we know the value - surrogacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:53 AM
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The father’s value-add presumably is that he worked while mom was pregnant, and has higher earnings (isn’t that the complaint of feminists, motherhood comes at a cost?) Well, if his increased earnings are greater than $80k per kid then you break even. I have no clue how to judge who does more random tasks, mom might know the doctor’s name but dad cleans the gutters and fixes shit around the house. Both genders claim they do more work around the house than the other. However OP was about childbir…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:48 AM
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There’s a market price assigned to pregnancy and childbirth, it’s called surrogacy and it’s $80k in big American cities. So we don’t need to debate this, the equitable solution is for the man to write the woman an $80k check and she can hire a surrogate. The rest of her demands are beyond the pale and should be ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:39 PM
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To whom is it a good sign? To the guy? There’s plenty of reasons a woman would want to marry a guy. She might think he’d make a good dad. She might be desperate for a green card. She might be after his money. She might be responding to family pressure. Your premise just assumes it’s always for an honorable reason, ergo the guy should by default be flattered that she wants to get married. But this thread is about how and why men and women don’t see eye to eye on the benefits of marriage. The sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:34 PM
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Never heard of mogmaxx, what’s that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:17 PM
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There’s not enough, and certain Caucasian features are rare. Try to find a dude with blue eyes in Mexico for example. The “white” Mexicans are largely Spanish so they have brown hair brown eyes etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:14 PM
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What do you make of white guys who go to Korea to be an English teacher and bang the locals? English teachers make no money, the local Korean dudes working at Samsung are way richer, yet these white dudes get more play than in the US. Is that betabuxx?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:13 PM
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Passport broing scales with SMV. If you’re a Chad in the west and you passport bro, you become a gigachad. I remember traveling in Eastern Europe and I ran into this American guy. He was average height and pretty handsome. He showed me a pic of his Slavic girlfriend and she was model-tier. Dude lived in Miami and said he would have never dated a girl that hot in Miami. Guy was a doctor. So we have a handsome doctor who could have landed 7/10 in the US but went to EE to land 9/10. He ascended to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:11 PM
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Sure it’s a gender reversal. “Premise implying that the demands of gender X are always honorable, conclusion that if gender X demands of gender Y, it’s a good sign”. Yes women want to get married when it benefits them, this says nothing about whether the marriage benefits the man. The marriage could be exploitative. I used sex in the gender reverse because women get triggered by the idea of pump-and-dump so it’s a good visceral analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:56 PM
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I’ll gender reverse it, “guys want to sleep with women who make their life better, if a guy wants to fuck you that’s a good sign”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:23 PM
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Rehab room is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:12 PM
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If a woman wants to marry you, that's a good sign. I have a big bank account, a woman wanting to marry me in itself is not necessarily a good sign. She might be hitting a lick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:52 PM
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I didn't get married because I wanted to benefit from any future financial luck that might befall my husband Let’s reverse it then, would you have married him if you had to put a $50000 deposit out of your own money into escrow, which goes straight to him if you all divorce? Cus when you claim the financial benefits of marriage don’t matter, you’re implying you would be willing to forgo benefits or even pay for the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:50 PM
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Depends on your state (assuming USA), probate law for one is different between spouses and civil union. I’m most familiar with in California family law and a wife of 10 years would simply get more consideration than a girlfriend of 10 years
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:43 PM
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Quote I once heard from some redpill guru: “women like getting married, women don’t like being married”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:40 PM
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Hmmm sounds like Portland?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:10 AM
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Not sure what this rant is about. I'm a soft fairy who works a desk job and doesn't do combat sports, but I'm 6'2" and handsome enough to get matches on OLD and fuck the girls. A short Mike Tyson look-a-like can toughen himself up all he wants, there are girls that will never see him due to height filter, but they'll see me. I always find it funny that boomers who grew up with high real wages, a more local dating market, people getting married in high school aka you can get straight lucky at age…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:28 PM
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Society is going full gynocentric and you’re are looking at players for advice on how to fix your dating prospects the same ones ruining it right now by claiming, marriage doesn’t work, love isn’t real and unless you have rock hard abs, a handsome face and a platinum credit card your best bet is to watch on the bench while players and feminists continue to destroy the fabric of what society was built on Here's the thing, even if men were "winning" the culture war, how do you expect that would dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 07:37 PM
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doesn’t this paint men in a negative light? Ie, they cheat so much/are so unfaithful, that an app like this became so popular. Apps like this are not a good way of ascertaining how much men cheat. There are apparently instances of women taking a creep shot of a man in public or in a common space and putting him up on the app. That can be a random crush, someone she's never dated, someone who rejected her, etc. There's no verification and it's all based on gossip, doxxing, etc. There's no way for…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:21 PM
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Yes, from women over 30 who were seeing the clock ticking and wanted to get married and have kids fast. I have a high-paying job and went to a fancy school, so my dating app profile is catnip for 33yo women "ready to get serious" and "looking for the real deal." Usually I'll hear a story about how their terrible fuccboi ex who was toxic was "all words no action" because he didn't commit in their situationship. Now that they're 32, I'm supposed to provide a timeline to marriage so she can step ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:46 AM
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Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:09 PM
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Ethnic minority, balding, and currently overweight (had major surgery and put on weight)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:01 AM
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Any Chads on here? How many matches do you get on OLD per week, and how many dates can you set up per week?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:57 PM
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At 5'7" he's going to be filtered out based on height alone. No real surprise why this guy would be complaining on reddit. That said, he's not a Chad, mid-tier normie (maybe high-tier if a girl likes generic white guys). He has a ton of upper eyelid exposure. Look at photos of chads and male models, they've got the smoldering hunter eyes going. Also this guy is 19, at that age it's pretty normal to get passed over. Assuming he's in college, he's a sophomore and the attractive freshmen/sophomore …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:56 PM
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almost clear uptick in interest by the opposite sex, no contest How are you tracking interest by the opposite sex in your experiments?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:51 PM
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You're moving goalposts. At first you said "be attractive" is not a solution, now you're saying it's too demanding or it's unfair that men have to resort to that. Does that mean you concede that it is a solution, albeit a drastic one? maybe you'll be good enough to be loved You can be loved if you're ugly, it just might not be by the type of person you want, or at the frequency you want. In my early 20s I was an average guy and I hooked up with average girls. In my early 30s I had put on muscle,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 10:33 PM
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It's not advice if it's not actionable, affordable, safe, and practical. jUsT bE aTtRaCtIvE is an excuse not a solution. Hard disagree. Looksmaxing is the definition of actionable, it's mostly affordable, it's safe if you take precautions, and it's definitely practical. A guy's attractiveness is capped by genetic qualities (race, height, bone structure) but most guys aren't at their cap, and depending on the guy, reaching that cap can transform their dating life. Balding guys can take hair loss …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:10 PM
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Distribution of male attractiveness ratings is heteroskedastic. This means there is low variance in the ratings of unattractive guys, and high variance in the ratings of attractive guys. Take a guy with an average rating of 2/10, basically every woman gave him a 2. Take a guy with an average of 8/10, some girls gave a 6, others gave a 10. Women have “types” among the hot guys, but there’s no debate among the women whether the 2/10 is hotter than the 8/10, they all agree the 8/10 is hotter. The o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:31 AM
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I posted my stats, you can choose to believe it or not. I swipe right on 1/3 of profiles I see (that’s who I find attractive) and I match with 5%, and then convert with 5% of those. That’s my pond, the top 33% of women, not the top 1%. And my hit rate in that group isn’t great. From comparing with my friends’ profiles I conclude that the low hit rate is mostly explained by racial preferences (my white male friends with similar backgrounds have better conversion ratios throughout the funnel). I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:23 AM
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It’s one thing to be turned off by a $150 date but then grit your teeth and bear it. It’s another to have to pay 3k a month for sex when you make $60k/yr pre-tax. For many reasons (regulation, low supply, etc) sex workers are quite expensive in the US, especially escort/hotties. If you think average women will fuck anyone you are probably a white guy and/or tall. There’s data showing that certain guys get 1/5th or 1/10th the match rate of a generic white male user. The OLD subreddits have guys p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:01 AM
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Actually women do, think about an orbiter who you don’t respect but you use for favors, money, etc. It’s a similar feeling, you feel a certain amount of contempt for the person but they give you what you want and you can boss them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:51 AM
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I was only pointing out that men aren’t avoiding sugar dating because of a $100 fee, it’s cus it costs 2-3k a month. Sugar babies are generally going to be more attractive than the hinge girls, and the hinge girls only do casual hookups with chads. There’s a sugar dating subreddit, there was a post once by a rich tech nerd, he explained that he was a short balding nerdy looking guy and there’s no way he would be sleeping with attractive young blonde women using hinge, he was getting 0 matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:44 AM
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Sugar dating in a city like NY, LA, Chicago, can cost up to $700 per encounter. And the sugar baby will expect to meet weekly and will also expect gifts. The basic guideline I’ve heard is, if you don’t have the cash to rent an extra 1-bedroom apartment on your city comfortably, you can’t afford a sugar baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:23 AM
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But there's always that someone who goes "but my friend of a friend found prince charming Online dating is how 40% of couples met, it’s by no means an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:48 PM
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I believe 80% of women under 30 have gone on OLD at some point. So the women might not be on dating apps at a given point in time, but odds are they’ve used it before. This is a problem because OLD becomes a default “if all else fails,” and OLD offers low effort interaction purely based on looks. So if a woman is out and about in real life and all the guys have poor looks, she’s gotta ask herself “am I gonna give these guys a shot or try for a Chad on OLD?” One of the most common prompts on wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:44 PM
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The big one is if you have a “flaw” that gets you filtered out. For example you’re 5’11”, or you’re a minority. Women have hundreds sometimes thousands of inbounds, so using filters to trim the pile of resumes is almost mandatory. And certain filters are just black-and-white.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:42 PM
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The issue is that dating app users also exist in real life. They aren’t in a separate dating market. We know this empirically, the majority of young people have used OLD at some point, and most will hop on and off apps. When you go out to a house party or an event, there are people there with partners they met on an app. There are people who leave the event early to go on a date with an app person. And there are some who are just single and looking to mingle. The guy who does well in this enviro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:07 PM
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I value basic social skills over forwardness, it's borderline autistic to write something like that on the profile. "I only date girls who have sex on the first date" would be the male equivalent and also ridiculous to put on a profile
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:21 PM
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I think this girl doesn't mind the awkward suffocating experience if it comes with a free (nice) meal. I live in NYC, a dinner date is big $$
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:39 PM
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Black pill doesn't mean you're incel/virgin, just means you believe in looks > the rest. I could be a male model banging 10 stacies a night, if I believe it's happening because of my looks, then I'm blackpill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:25 PM
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You're black pill, so is it fair to assume you get very few matches? I get about 2-3 matches a day on average, and hook up with 4 girls a year off of OLD, though I've been out of the game recently due to a medical emergency (surgery) and having to rehab
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:12 PM
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Matched on OLD with a woman who wrote on her profile "I only do dinner dates." I am interested in her in general, but the above is a turn-off and highly disturbing. She could be a foodie caller and wasting my time, or high maintenance, or both. But more than anything, it reeks of social ineptness. That said I am on the fence because there are plenty of women who do expect the guy to take them to dinner and pay, they just don't say it out loud, so wouldn't I ultimately be punishing this girl for …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:04 PM
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So you're saying the sheer act of being alive and seeing your friends get into relationships give you power? So a 35yo virgin man has more relationship knowledge than a 20yo woman that has been in a relationship for 4 years, because he has more friends who have gone through relationships? Are age gap relationships where the woman is older problematic for the same reason, she has been alive longer so she can "accrue knowledge"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:19 PM
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The more you do something the better you are at it. Practice makes perfect, and that applies to selecting a partner. At 21 you have very little experience. That’s just how time works. It’s like if you were skiing but on your second day of learning you go down a really advanced slope. It will feel amazing and empowering until you crash out of it. This assumes that a 30yr woman has lots of experience selecting a partner. As women here like to remind us, women don't like casual and want LTRs, so a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:54 PM
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r/MGTOW produced a mass shooter?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 11:39 AM
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If the hill you want to die on is "incels just need to work out as much as Cavill and they'll crush it," I won't deter you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:43 AM
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Gymcels are a thing. Rich tech nerds in Silicon Valley not getting laid are a thing. It's not Cavill's lifestyle or money, it's his looks. Danny DeVito is richer than Cavill btw, wonder who gets more girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:41 PM
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I will need to dig to find this study, but they created a fictional dating app in the lab and created several profiles, then asked the women to rank them. They had either attractive or unattractive faces, and then varied the intelligence and cool factor of the guys (by adding spelling mistakes or having the guy's profile say he likes art and volunteering vs likes drinking beer and video games). The unattractive guys had scores of like 1.5, 1.75, 2.0 out of 5, depending on their "personalities," …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:34 PM
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Henry Cavill plays WoW and war hammer, he also builds PCs and paints figurines. Guy has Stacy’s in speed dial. It’s not the Warcraft or the Magic, it’s the looks. I have “sexy” hobbies, I play piano, I was a dancer in college and performed on stage, I speak French and Spanish. Sexy stuff. I have had more women sleep with me because I’m 6’2” than because they saw me play piano. And my short unattractive fellow dancers? No luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:53 PM
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Ma'am this is an internet forum, I'm writing to convey information efficiently, not to come across as warm. If you must know, I am quite friendly IRL and I smile and chat with strangers all the time, just this morning a guy on the sidewalk saw my walking boot (in injury recovery) and we chatted about how he tore his achilles years ago and what it was like to recover. I am currently single but an ex described me to her friends (post-breakup) as "easy to be with." Don't read too much into tone on …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:06 PM
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see the value in other people beyond their utility to him He suggested I might find myself in a relationship with a problematic person, I answered that if so, I would dump the person. Are you suggesting dumping a problematic person = "not seeing the value in them beyond their utility to you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:58 PM
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Do you have reading comprehension issues? I pay for my friends, however it is not assumed that I'm paying. In these situations the birthday boy almost always attempts to pay, you need to clarify that he is not paying. Whereas a good % of women on dates do not even attempt to pay their share.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:56 PM
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It's free stuff. People will do all sorts of behavior for free stuff. Also why buffalo wings? Some women can get guys to take them to steak dinner or fancy bars with $20 cocktails. $100 worth of food and alcohol, multiple times a week, can sum up to serious money
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:55 PM
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It is a social expectation that when you are invited for food that the other will pay for you, no matter the gender. Especially when the person who invited you usually insists to pay. This is not a social expectation in the US in any context outside of heterosexual dating. If I invite my male friend out to dinner on his birthday, it's not assumed that I'm paying for him. In fact I have been in this situation and have had to insist that my friend not take out his wallet cus he's the birthday boy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:48 PM
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1/3rd of women have gone of a foodie call date for free food.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:44 PM
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my husband doesn't care about the life we've built together and can callously toss me aside for a "younger model" It's not that he doesn't care about the life you built together, it's that he doesn't find you attractive anymore (compared to other options). Like, imagine if you were in a relationship with a guy and he suddenly gained 150 lbs and became a basement-dwelling World of Warcraft gamer. But he's otherwise a decent guy. It would change the calculus for you. Age has a similar effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:43 PM
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If the 25yo is a nutcase just dump her for another 25yo. It's not like every hot 25yo is psycho. And 40yo women bring their problems too
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:17 PM
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Don't say I didn't warn you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:16 PM
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This is smart long-term strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:16 PM
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Agree with this but some guys can't deal with the loss of attraction. It's like when women get the ick that their husbands don't do chores or become slobs. Your wife getting fat and old can create an ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:15 PM
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Doesn't matter, if you date a man your age, he can also just flip you out for a younger woman. People forget that Leo DiCaprio has been dating 22yo women since he himself was 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:14 PM
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prenups only cover the stuff you have prior to getting married. if we buy a house and build equity on it, he will either buy me out what my equity is worth, or the house is sold and the mortgage is paid off and everything extra gets divided in half. that could easily pay for a 6 month sabbatical to Italy. ​ Depends on what is labeled "marital assets", in your example yes, but a lot of rich guys already own homes, stocks, bonds, etc., and they come into the marriage with that. 6 month sabbatical …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:14 PM
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All my rich guy friends have prenups, the ex wouldn’t get enough money to retire to Florence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 11:56 AM
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Can’t you explore these things while attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 11:55 AM
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Most men don’t fall under the category of “high value enough to get a 25yo at age 40” But the men who do fall under that category have the most demand
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 11:32 AM
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Women under 30 are simply more attractive, on average. That’s the main driver behind this age gap drama, AF/BB, etc. Young women are more attractive, but a given woman can’t be young forever. Does that mean a woman should worry that her partner will switch her out for a younger model and she’ll be alone in her old age? Yeah I think it does. If your partner is high-value enough to secure an attractive 25yo when he’s 40, you’re gambling if you think he’s going to forego that to stick with you. Saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 11:24 AM
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I also make more than that, you’re understating the impact of money. Go to NY/LA/Miami as a decent-looking guy (below Chad tier) and you can do damage with a bankroll, access to exclusive events, drugs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 02:40 AM
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How is Trump going to flip the table though? Let’s say all the manufacturing jobs come back to the US and current unemployed guys can make $100k at a factory. Why do you think those guys will get laid? Making $100k at a factory today won’t get you laid if there are enough guys making $500k in tech/finance. The issue here is that women have access to an increasingly global pool of top guys. Your midwestern worker dude isn’t getting any girls with a factory job, those girls are using Bumble travel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:32 PM
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Premise of OP is wrong. Women and men use dating apps at similar rates, it’s something like 55/45 lifetime usage. However men are significantly higher share of monthly active users. In other words women are more likely to use the app, leave the app, and then redownload it a year or more later, whereas guys just stay on it. Couple of explanations, women get swarmed with options so they work through their options offline and once the situationship falls apart, they get back on the app. The men the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:03 PM
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What city are you in? Might be the difference maker. NYC notoriously transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:28 PM
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Some context, I'm in my 30s and I lived in NYC/LA the past 5 years, two of the most expensive cities in the world. In this age bracket the women have higher standards for dates, you hear more women saying they won't do drinks because it's too cheap a date. And the women are often dating "intentionally" aka looking for a betabuxx so they size up the guy's job and purchasing power more. In my 20s splitting was a lot more common, I'd say it was 50% of dates from age 25-30, now it's maybe 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:10 PM
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Idk if it’s just been my experience but a first date being a dinner date is usually something gold diggers want. So there’s usually a lot of work beforehand in order to get that dinner so it would be less work to just work your job and buy it yourself 90% of the dates I have been on in the past 5 years, the woman has expected me to pay. Splitting has gotten rare. These women range from students, to middle class, to white-shoe Ivy League lawyers. Going out to a restaurant costs minimum $50 in a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 01:35 PM
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A wife doesn't lose out on job and educational opportunities because she got married. She's still an adult with agency. If she wants money or education, she can pursue both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 01:32 PM
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How would this make you feel? How would this change how you view her? Would you have wanted this information upfront like this? It would feel bad to know the prospect was a dud, but good that I don’t waste my time. I would not pursue further. Would you believe her if she says she's vetting for men who respects her and values her time? Would you believe her if she told you she is vetting for men who can provide for a family? A guy paying for a first date has 0 translation to whether he can provid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:40 AM
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This OP takes for granted that the man owes the woman compensation if he makes more than her. She already received the benefits of his higher earning potential by living with him. Imagine being a parent, your kid lives in a nice home, and then at 18 you owe the kid an allowance so that his adult lifestyle can match the lifestyle he had as a minor living at home. That would be a bit silly, but that’s our society’s default position for divorce law. Until OP defends that premise, these kinds of arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:25 AM
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Reported for incivility
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:29 AM
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If you simply consider a scenario where a man is an ethnic minority living in an area with very little racial integration and/or racial animus, it becomes obvious that in some cases, self-improvement doesn’t help and the guy needs to move. If that’s true, then surely there is an even bigger group of guys where self-improvement helps, but not enough for them to have a fulfilling love life. A guy who gets 1 date a year, or has 5 years in between romantic prospects, or who only gets dates if he is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:12 PM
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I agree, I'm just saying that /u/RayAP19 was giving a Chaddy description of himself (tall, handsome, etc) but saying it wasn't enough, and I suspected there was a missing factor. Don't get me wrong there are black/indian/asian Chads but there's less room for error
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:24 PM
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Ok that makes sense, I’m black as well. Race is another factor that dings the guy’s score (or better put, it shrinks your rating pool so you get worse results). Best way I heard it explained is, you need at least 2 of height+face+race to be competitive, all 3 is ideal. When you said you were tall and maybe handsome but didn’t feel it was enough, I could deduce you’d be a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:24 PM
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Something seems missing here, are you white?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:27 PM
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I went to a college of 5000 people and you could get your reputation destroyed if you got called a creep, word got around fast. In a big city if you start approaching at your gym and get labeled a creep, you might get banned from that gym and have to start over. It’s quite unpleasant and definitely a factor discouraging guys from approaching. I know only a few guys who approach during the day in public spaces like gyms or grocery stores, and these guys are attractive and get IoIs from the girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:31 AM
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Haven’t read the replies yet but I assume OP is being called a pickme or a man LARPing as a woman, and none of the PPD women are engaging with her arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:02 PM
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It’s mostly this, fraternities tend to have the “Chads” on a given campus. Athletes, legacy students, trust fund babies, etc. Joining a sorority gives a woman a pipeline to meet and date these guys. In big southern schools you often have multiple generations of frat and sorority members, I.e. grandma was a kappa and met grandpa, an SAE, at a formal 50 years ago. Then mom and dad same story, etc. Similarly women can go to nightclub and meet rich and/or hot guys in the VIP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:18 PM
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Labor force participation is defined as "people in the workforce, either working or looking for work" divided by "people of working age". Retiring boomers are not considered working age, and neither are incarcerated people, they both get pulled from the numerator and denominator.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:39 AM
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Sounds like confirmation bias. “Guys I know date in my community, so it’s not a problem.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:40 AM
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You’re a woman, your experience doesn’t map to a man’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:34 AM
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You mentioned spending your early 20s dating casual in NYC. Are you now late 20/early 30s? Has your approach or experience changed at all? Also do you have good social media or just good pics on the apps themselves? I am normie tier on dating apps (your 25-35 a week maps to 3-4 a week for me) and I am curious what it takes to get to the next level. I’ve asked you this in another thread but I believe you’re a tall white dude, I’m tall but a minority, that is likely an important difference
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:16 PM
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Problem with the above is that you’ll lose out to guys who can actually get play on dating apps. This sub loves pretending that dating apps don’t work or are hated, but they’re the #1 way people meet in big cities and the overwhelming majority of young people have used it before. While you build your community doing pottery class or volunteering or whatever, the girls in your class are getting banged out by Chads on bumble. Once you’re years into your community building and go for these girls th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:09 PM
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Best part about this thread is that OP is digging in his heels and won’t concede an inch despite his analogy being terrible. Top-tier baiting
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:04 PM
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The whole “she won’t give me what she gives an ex” is applied to stuff the current BF likes. Most common form of this I’ve read is “she used to give BJs and have frequent sex with her ex but now she says she’s not that sexual.” I haven’t heard guys lament that she did some niche sexual kink with an ex that the current guy has no interest in, and now she’s not doing said niche sexual kink with him. “She used to stomp on her ex’s nuts cus he was into that but she won’t stomp on my nuts” said no on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:56 PM
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If you’re getting so little attention that filtering isn’t the majority of your dating strategy, you’ve definitely got a skill issue. A decently competitive female dating profile gets dozens of likes per week. I made a profile of an attractive girl (fake profile using pics of a real person) and got 50 likes in 15 minutes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:48 PM
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I have had 80ish sexual partners and I would estimate that 10-15% of the ladies were good in bed. Enthusiastic, could please me, were good at foreplay, had good body control, etc. The other 85% were basically passive actors, I enjoyed the sex but their contribution was marginal, I was basically getting myself off with their body. Women also don’t realize that just because the guy came doesn’t mean the sex was good. Just like women, not all male orgasms are created equal. My unsolicited advice fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 09:05 PM
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Former collegiate dancer and now a weightlifter with about a decade of experience. I have done a lot of exercises and am familiar with how they map to sex positions. The woman can do one of two motions to increase the depth/power of the trust: a glute bridge, which would require her to plant her feet on the bed; or wrapping her legs around the guy and pulling him into her, which uses her hamstrings and adductors. Glutes hamstrings and adductors are some of the strongest muscles in the human body…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 08:56 PM
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Women can be permanently online failures-to-launch just like men. Race, dating, women being more selective, etc, has been thoroughly studied but you’re too plugged into FDS and gender wars to interface with reality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:56 PM
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Found the Stormfront/MAGA guy who thinks Sweden entirely consists of Somali and Syrian migrants assaulting women...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:14 AM
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Utterly confused user needs to get back in her mom's basement
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:48 AM
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Delusional FDS user spotted
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:11 AM
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Hmm I shoulda have clarified, I’m not conventionally attractive so it’s hard to date attractive women, but the women I’m into are more or less my looksmax. I’m 6’2” and fit from a decade of sports. Face is maybe a 5.5 or 6 out of 10. I’m an ethnic minority and definitely not white-passing. It’s not easy to secure a tall athletic fit 6/10 face woman of any race
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:48 PM
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I don't find it particularly depressing, I reframe it as "isn't it awesome that it's possible to live a life where a hot girl texts you at 2am for sex and you kick her out by 4am"? The human experience would be less rich if no one did that, all else equal. It's a bit like billionaires, you could be depressed that some people have private jets, staff, and can pay their way out of any problem, but then I think about how small the world must feel when you can get to any city in the continental US i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:33 AM
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As a not particularly attractive guy it was definitely easier to make a million dollars than to get an attractive girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:01 AM
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I’m not saying Chad is a superhuman, I’m just saying he steals your girl with no effort. Sorry not sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:31 PM
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I have a Chad friend who gets approached by women at the grocery store (yes they approach him). His biggest dating issue is he is considering a family but is having too much fun banging out the 25yo instagram model he met at the store. I quote him when he says “it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.” Guy is Chad-tier and modeled for Abercrombie
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:16 PM
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I have several close friends I would qualify as Chads, about 5 or so. All about 6ft or taller, one guy was an Abercrombie model in college, the other could have been on the Bachelor, they all have above average faces, good hair, fit/muscle, white or white-adjacent (the minorities are light skinned, either white-passing middle eastern or half-black half-white). When I say close I mean I went to their wedding, I know their parents, one guy got cheated out and had to move out and he gave me a call …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:13 PM
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I wouldn’t go that far, I’ve lived in both tech bro central (California) and finance bro central (NYC) and the high-paid Chads do extremely well, you haven’t seen degeneracy until you see an investment banker Chad pump-and-dump, the women will text him “you up” at 2am. Knowing that you will never work again if Chad marries you is an alluring cherry on top
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 02:15 AM
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My initial post had the caveat that the Chad has some way to keep his roof over his head with little hassle. Parent's money or some monetizable skill. The amount of money you need to make to be considered a decently successful adult is massively below the amount of money you need to pick up women as a non-Chad. Chad can make $75k a year in the trades and be a viable partner, non-Chads can be making $500k in SF as software engineers and get passed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:28 AM
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Mental health disorders just are not that prevalent, the majority of the population (and the majority of Chads) do not have depression/anxiety/etc etc. Sure we can always find an individual person struggling with anorexia or suicidal thoughts, but the topic here is whether you would rather be an attractive man or not. Ugly people can be anorexic too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:51 AM
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That's all correct, but the incidence of anorexia or suicidal ideation is like 1% of the population. Most Chads have good mental health and live an easy sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:36 AM
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Why do you think women dated me throughout my teens, twenties and thirties before I got married? If you're attractive you can go Dutch, if you're unattractive you can maybe be a walking wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:16 AM
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OP if a person saves $200 a day for 10 years, investing into the stock market, they will come out the other side with $1M. I don't think women get $200/day worth of free stuff from guys unless they are OF girls or extremely good at extracting value from simps. Average woman can't extort that kinda cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:15 AM
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I was initially going to be a graduate research in neuroscience but I saw how little money I would make and went into finance instead so I could get with girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:48 PM
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So she doesn't mind having an imbalanced relationship where the man works just as much for labor, and does more childcare? Of course she doesn't mind it, it's a raw deal for the guy. I would assume you would be against that kind of unequal relationship, just like you're against men who are 50/50 but expect their wife to come home and do chores after a full day's work?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:47 PM
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Not sure what you're trying to argue here. putting some effort and actually making some change for yourself The above takes work, and I said that Chad's life is easy. So are you agreeing with me? Non-Chads can do it with discipline and hard work, which Chads don't have to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:45 PM
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I didn't misinterpret you, I'm saying that I never meet women who are ok carrying more of the financial burden in exchange for me doing more housework. I'm always supposed to be bringing in as much or more bacon than she isl.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 10:51 PM
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Being a Chad is an extremely easy life, especially if you have some family money or some way to put a roof over your head with little effort. Dating is braindead, you kinda just walk outside. People want to be your friend and you get invited to social events easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:11 PM
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I'm a white collar professional and know a lot of professional women, none of them are interested in having a SAHD partner. Personally I would love to be SAHD for a rich successful woman but I have met 0 women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:09 PM
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I remember this one post of a guy complaining about expensive it is to pay for women….. then mentions he only dates women 7/10 or hotter because they're the only ones that are worth dating. I’ve made a few posts about the “who pays” debate so you might be referencing me. Either way I will clarify because you missed an important factor. I’ve dated a wide range of women, highly educated and not highly educated, with good careers and with bad careers, traditional/conservative and liberal, attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:55 PM
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Yes I know a woman who would yell, shove him aggressively including in public, etc. she had serious anger issues combined with paranoia. He eventually broke up with her and she stalked him for weeks, he didn’t need a restraining order but it was getting close. No legal punishments but she is generally a bitter person without much of a future, so her existence is punishment all its own
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:36 PM
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This isn’t about me personally, I’m not a redpiller. I participated in this thread to explain the analogy and where it applies. Women can have whatever standards they want, that’s their prerogative. You keep harping on “viewing women as a resource instead of having absolute ownership over their body” because I guess these kinds of catchphrases sound cool in feminist circles, but most resources in the world are owned absolutely by someone. Again we have an easy example: labor. I have absolute con…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:05 PM
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Sure but every solution gets dismissed as “infringing on women’s rights.” It’s a maximalist position, like “all taxation is theft” or “all government is oppressive”. Hence the comparison to extreme capitalists like Ayn Rand supporters. People has suggested the government sponsor social events and women here have responded “why should my tax dollars go to help an incel who hates women,” I can’t think of a more harmless solution than the government organizing more public fairs, but even that is so…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 03:06 AM
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In my post I gave examples of education being given freely and reciprocally, you ignored it. You also ignored my point that even when education is transacted, say by paying a tutor, it doesn’t mean you don’t see the tutor as a human. Your logic doesn’t even make sense, why would women be sex dispensers? My boss is a woman, my doctor is a woman, my landlord is a woman, none of these women are sex dispensers, but I care less about their inner humanity and am less intimate with them than a random o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 03:02 AM
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Do you have an issue with the comparison besides “education is a big deal and sex isn’t” which I think is your point here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:58 AM
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I see women as people: they’re selfish and want the best deal for themselves, just like everyone else. If I was a woman I’d also bully sexless men, fight to prevent family law reform, and shame men into continuing to pay for me via traditional gender roles. Is there anything more humanizing than believing women are looking out for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 12:11 AM
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I don’t follow. We talk about “access to education,” does that mean we view professors as a resource (“education providers”) and not as people? Sex is a relation between two people just like education, it can be done freely and with reciprocity (language exchange or tutoring someone because you care about them = sex with your partner) or it can be transacted (pay for lessons = sleep with prostitutes, gold digging, sugaring). Discussing the supply and demand of education or sex doesn’t remove the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 12:09 AM
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I addressed your first paragraph when I said “returns to capital are higher than returns to labor.” I wasn’t implying that this is some natural state of the world, it’s just how the capitalist system works. Anyway we don’t need to try to flex Econ knowledge on each other, we are talking about the same thing, the redpill analogy doesn’t depend on capital being inherently vs coincidentally exploitative. More like here's where the analogy break downs! Men horniness is now akin to labor as in workin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 12:04 AM
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OP quotes Engels but uses the least rigorous definition of capitalism ever, and completely misunderstand the analogy used by redpillers. Laissez-faire capitalism states that the state should only enforce property rights and contract law. Then capital owners and labor owners (workers) can voluntarily enter into a labor agreement. A byproduct of this tends to be massive inequality: returns to capital tend to be higher than returns to labor, and labor has a more plentiful and inelastic supply, so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:57 PM
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There’s no fix. The dating market is what it is because power laws create massive skews and inequalities as the pie gets bigger. This is true for both the population size and the economy. The top 1% own a bigger share of assets than ever as the economy expands. This will only accelerate with AI and technology. The top tier of Chads can have sex with more women from more places than ever. Rich Chads can fly girls in from different cities. A man can live in a city of millions and interact with wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:28 PM
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Not particularly, I am 6'2" and in good shape. So my physical appearance is mixed, some good (height, fitness, decent facial features), some bad (balding, ethnic group, no jawline), but net-net I'm probably a 5.5 or 6. If I was a 4 and as interesting as I am, I would have gone nowhere. If I were an 8 and boring as fk, I would have gotten much more traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:08 AM
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He has enough intelligence and charisma to keep girls around long enough to enter relationships with them. Of course he does, this guy is my friend because he's a cool guy and fun to be around. I'm just explaining that by all the "objective" interesting metrics of OP, I'm more interesting but it doesn't matter. That's my point. you’re getting a bad deal in life I don't think I have a bad deal in life, I do think that being more interesting is not particularly relevant to your dating outcomes, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:34 AM
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Did you not read my original comment where he's engaged to a rich attractive girl who is educated and is working as a licensed psychologist helping people? I'm single and nowhere close to being married. He's had more ONS, more girlfriends, and is now in a committed relationship. Not sure why we should expect Chad to only be able to get ONS and nothing else. Simply put his looks have given him infinite leverage in the relationship sphere, it's that simple. But no matter the goal, becoming an inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:15 AM
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Haven’t read that book, Brothers Karamazov and Crime and Punishment are both amazing and disturbing, Dostoyevsky is a twisted guy. I’m currently reading Demons by Dostoyevsky which is lots of dark humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:34 AM
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“I don’t agree so I’ll claim this user is an LLM”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:33 AM
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“Incredibly well” is just subjective. The guy in my story slept with 30 women in 2 months, a good number of these girls were bottle service club girls, waitresses, yoga instructors, aka conventionally attractive in-demand girls. I’m sure your short ugly friends can get laid, I can also get laid despite not being gigachad like my friend, but I can’t compete with him at all. Over time the gap between us in terms of career, charisma, hobbies, all the “interesting” qualities in OP has only grown. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:33 AM
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All life is suffering Alyosha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:32 PM
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So you’re saying if he got more girls it’s because he had the attitude or charisma? What evidence do you have that this is the case? I know the guy personally and can tell you that I have more charisma, I can speak with strangers easier (helps to have traveled) and I do public speaking for my job. Not a dig on him by the way, he’s fine but average levels charismatic. But he’s a 9/10
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:31 PM
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His fiancée is a psychologist who went to an Ivy League school, you bluepillers need to stop the mental gymnastics. He’s attractive so it works
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:29 PM
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Wall of text. I speak 4 languages, I play a musical instrument, I read Russian literature, watch pop culture shows, know memes, I wrote a novel in high school, I have traveled to 70 countries, I have tried a bunch of hobbies. I have a friend who watches football and crushes beers for fun. That’s basically his only hobby. Love the guy but he’s no Renaissance man. He’s 6’3”, tall, ripped, white, jawline with fuckboi stubble. We’ve been friends for 14 years, he has easily slept with 20x the women I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:57 AM
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It is estimated that 83% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas Most people do not live in smaller suburbs. There's no celebrity orgies in the vast vast majority of people's lives. Doesn't need to be, if even 5% of the female population of a city is out of the game because they're going to celebrity orgies, that leaves hundreds of thousands/millions of guys without a partner. I cited 50M residents of those 4 metro areas, half women (25M), 13.5% between 20 and 30 (3,392,500), 5% going to cel…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:57 PM
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This was LA/Miami, the girl telling the story was nowhere close to a 9/10, closer to a 6/10, she was friends with a girl who was invited (I assume a 8+/10). LA/Miami/NYC/Chicago metro areas have 50 million people, that's like 15% of the US pop and a lot of young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:15 AM
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I went on a date with a girl who was invited to a party at a famous actor’s house (household name), apparently there were about 80-100 girls in the giant foyer, they were given free food and drinks, and after a while the actor and his buddies - who had been playing pool in another room - came into the foyer, picked a dozen of so girls they liked, and brought them into the pool room. The rest of the girls were free to help themselves to food/drinks before they went home. I don’t know how many wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:26 PM
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I’m a pretty social guy and go to a lot of events, parties, etc. I’m mid 30s now so I’m going to a lot of weddings, I’ve been to maybe 30-40 weddings in the past few years. Never got introduced to anyone, I’m an ethnic minority (not white adjacent) and the few times I got set up, it was a blatant race bait (I get introduced to the “friend” and it’s a woman who is not attractive, I have nothing in common with her, she’s significantly older 5yrs+, we’re just the same race). In my friend circle the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:41 PM
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Can someone aggregate the responses and compare with the census data on the average income difference between married couples (60-65% of marriages have the man earning more)? On PPD no woman cares about money, and they all also know a 5’5” balding guy who gets laid more than anyone they know
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:43 PM
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Sure, it’s why I struggle to be a snake, but that’s just a question of morality. There’s otherwise little downside to leading people on. If anything the recipient suspects they’re being led on but clings to hope, e.g. a woman in a situationship who nevertheless hopes he’ll go exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:39 PM
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If you can get more sex with the only cost being a woman being strung along, many guys will go for it. Maybe you’re inbetween casual partners, maybe the relationship girl is hot, maybe you’re feeling mischievous. Putting morality aside, there’s no reason not to lead on the relationship girl and get a nut out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:19 PM
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Yes we’ve heard this millions of times before on PPD. Guys bring the dead bedrooms upon themselves by not doing enough chores. Doesn’t quite explain the dead bedrooms among childless couples but apparently those are because the guy won’t do laundry. Always an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:47 PM
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There’s more sex available if you string along the relationship girls and also hook up with the casual girls. More sex > less sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:35 PM
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I don’t think the dead bedroom complaints are about gfs/wives not fucking post-partum… Just go to the dead bedroom sub, you’ll hear people saying their partner hasn’t slept with them for 6-12-24 months
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:33 PM
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So on the one hand, guys should go out to join social groups because it gives them a better chance of meeting women than sitting at home; but on the other hand, joining social groups in order to meet someone is bad because “it would not look good” to the women? So if a guy is currently sitting at home swiping on OLD unsuccessfully, what advice do you have? Because “go join social groups” is apparently not a good idea since he’d be doing it just to meet someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:21 AM
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Social events and groups designed for the genders to mingle are dominated by men. Bars, clubs, run clubs, meetups, etc. If the purpose is to meet other singles, it’s gonna be a sausage fest. Now there are plenty of spheres that are dominated by women, you listed a few, I would add wellness and activities like yoga, Pilates, etc. However if a non-hot guy shows up, he’s getting 0 traction. Good-looking guys will prob do well joining a puppy rescue nonprofit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:07 AM
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michelin man with a dress on Brutal hahah I am often shocked at the confidence of big girls, they go for Chads just like the skinny sorority types, such a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 11:00 PM
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If a bunch of basement dwellers showed up to your local volunteer group, do you think they would make friends and potentially meet women interested in dating? Picture 5’8” guys, skinny-fat or overweight, hair starting to recede, working a so-so job and living with parents/roommates to save some money. I just described the average American male in his late 20s/early 30s btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:57 PM
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What was OP’s intention?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:41 PM
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I think that guy’s point is that there will be fewer “non-trash” men once AI girlfriends come out. Today those men are in the dating pool - average, have a job, have friends, but not Chads - but once supermodel AI girlfriends materialize, these guys will drop out of the dating market. You can say “good riddance, I wouldn’t date a guy who likes AI” but these guys were dateable before the AI was released
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:32 PM
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Sounds like you’re agreeing with OP? The OF betabuxxers will instead spend their money on an AI girlfriend who regularly and proactively calls/texts them (a real woman can’t juggle that many parasocial relationships), and this diverts resources away from the women? OF is an extreme case of betabuxxing but I can see dudes who orbit women or buy them drinks simply give up and get an AI girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:28 PM
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The statistical answer the odds of being attacked by a bear are 1 in 2.1m. The odds of a woman being raped are about 1 in 5. Neither of those stats take into account encounters / proximity. I wish I had statistics on how often an encounter with a bear ended in an attack versus how often an encounter with a man ended in rape, but I don't. I did the math in an alt account which is deleted, but the odds of being raped on a first date is lower than the odds of getting into a car crash driving to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:38 AM
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You’re kidding yourself if you think PPD women would reject Cavill. Multimillionaire super handsome tall actor, but oh no he paints war hammer figurines!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 12:43 AM
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Women will always choose the 6’5 Henry Cavill looking guy even if he’s boring af Ironically Henry Cavill notoriously is super into Dungeons and Dragons and other nerdy hobbies (building PCs I believe). Guy is very geeky, he signed up for the Witcher because he binged the game years back. Wonder if any of the PPD ladies talking sh!t in this thread would reject Cavill because he has "lame hobbies."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:45 PM
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If men say it, it’s dumb. But I have to ask you to link me a comment where a single guy says “I have this high paying job but I’m going to not take it because I’ll just lose all the money in divorce.” Your second paragraph is just MGTOW but that is different from intentionally earning less to have less to give in divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:21 PM
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This is the source. Go to the bottom set of tables. Median husband makes 40k, and the median earnings difference between couples is "husband makes $10k more." We would need the underlying data to say definitely but you can safely assume that 40k-30k, or a 57-43 income gap, is the median gap, and half of couples have a bigger gap than this. The numbers are roughly the same for couples without children and with children. "Husband earns more" is the default arrangement, something like 80% of couple…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:20 AM
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Any source?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:13 AM
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At what income level is alimony on the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:13 AM
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We have to distinguish between most couples having a man earning more, and the overall <30yo population having women earning more. We know that there is relatively little relationship formation in the younger generations and this phenomenon is increasing. 30% of women under 30 are single, 60% of men, etc. So there is a reasonable chance that when these young people grow older, they will still be producing relationships where men earn more; the men who earn less, which is a growing group, simply …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:12 AM
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Hmm, I wonder if one of the factors is because men are often several years older in the relationship? They have had a couple of extra years to establish a career? Average age gap as PPD women are wont to remind us is 3 years. The difference in income between age groups average to ~1.8% per year. Average proportion of income between a man and woman in a couple is 60/40, that's a 50% gap. The difference in average age gap would explain only 6% difference, or roughly 10% of the average gap. The oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:12 PM
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Software engineering, financial services, aerospace, consulting, equity research, geopolitical risk consulting, data science, physician’s assistant/nurse practitioner. All careers that pay >$100k and don’t require more than a college degree, though they require education and are competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:48 PM
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“Women who intend to have the career setback” is a cop-out. So the logic is, “I’m going to have a career setback when I have kids in 5 years, so let me not bother investing in education.” And you are justifying this? As a guy I should definitely walk around saying “there’s a 50% chance I get divorced and pay child support or alimony, so let me intentionally take lower-paying jobs so I have to give up less income.” That’s idiotic. Anyway it’s an easy tell if a woman uses this logic that she’s unf…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:20 PM
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I don’t feel emasculated if a woman earns more. There are plenty of men who don’t care. This is a preference masquerading as some kind of societal force. Women could date guys who make less and not worry about him feeling emasculated unless or until he actually brings it up. It’s like a guy worrying that his girlfriend is a chad-obsessed high-N whore because he read online that women are XYZ. Why generalize? However here you are saying unironically that because some men out there don’t like wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:14 PM
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As I said, in couples the man typically earns more. Yes at a population level, young women earn more, but young people are mostly single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:05 PM
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I’m just replying to u/apresonly who suggested that women earn less because they have kids. My point is that women without kids also earn less than their partners. I don’t think it’s rocket science, women earn less than their partners because they date men who make more than them. You can see it in this thread, women saying “if I wanted a dependent I’d have a kid,” aka she wouldn’t date a guy who makes less. Solution to that as suggest by OP is your second paragraph. Just date someone who makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:25 PM
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Your response is too confusing for me to engage with. Are you saying divorce is only expensive because of kids/child support? But then you say I have a point with childfree couples, but that contradicts what you said earlier? Please clarify, this is unintelligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:17 PM
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People who do the work required to get a high paying job aren’t going to want to quit after a couple years. You know this how? You realize most people in tech, finance, law, actual high paying jobs, leave long before retirement age? The point of high paying high stress jobs is to make money and get out. It doesn’t how much work you put in, that’s a sunk cost, what matters is how much you’re paid. Unless the woman makes bad financial decisions or has a non-financial reason to do so, it’s way smar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:14 PM
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I made $350k a year at age 27. However I started balding at 19
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:07 PM
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Because high paying careers pay more? Isn’t that obvious? What’s better, working two years at a $300k job then quitting for kids, or working 10 years at a $60k “flexible” job? There’s a correct answer btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:57 PM
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What does that have to do with my comment? Men are worried about divorced because divorced men are worse off than they were when single. Aggregate numbers about divorced women are not relevant to the calculus.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:55 PM
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I know most people have kids, my point is that men are providers even before kids are born. So you can’t argue the reason men are providers is because women were at parity but then stepped back from work for kids. Edit: downvoters are simps
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:39 PM
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So you disapprove and think SAHMs are dependents, and men should leave them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:37 PM
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Your link says nothing about households where women are the main provider, can you clarify or provide a link for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:36 PM
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It’s more expensive to be a divorced guy paying alimony than to be a single guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:32 PM
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What do you think about SAHMs? Should the men leave them since the women in that scenario want to be dependents?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:30 PM
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Men make more than women in relationships even when they do not have children. You can just look at new marriages and the incomes, this is before the woman has had kids, the guy still makes more. Edit: This is the source. Go to the bottom set of tables. Median husband makes 40k, and the median earnings difference between couples is "husband makes $10k more." This is the case even for couples without children. Downvoters, provide your own data or arguments if you have any real rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:27 PM
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60% of marriages the man makes more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:26 PM
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noun: counterfactual; a counterfactual conditional statement (e.g. If kangaroos had no tails, they would topple over ). The original poster said "women expect provision even before kids are in the picture." You then answered "well she wants to test whether he can provide when they do have kids." The counterfactual to your statement would be "if she were childfree, she would not need to test if he could provide." This counterfactual is clearly not true, aka women expect men to provide even if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:19 PM
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This is what is so frustrating about bluepillers, whenever someone brings up a counterfactual you say "that's not generally what happens." I live in a big US city, I have dated women who make 300k+ a year and they expected to be provided for. There's no "unpaid labor" involved, these women use meal prep services, have maids, etc. They make 6x the average household income for christ's sake. Upper class women can hire nurses, personal assistants, cleaners, etc., but they still date up and expect t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:01 AM
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Childfree women also want princess treatment even though childcare isn’t in the equation. Upper-middle class women who can afford cleaning ladies date upper-middle class men who can also afford cleaning ladies, and the women still want princess treatment even though division of chores isn’t in the equation. “Princess treatment” seems to be about getting free stuff and extracting value from the guy. Unfortunately there are so many simps that this request is often met, which reinforces the idea th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:56 AM
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Does anyone approach you? or do you approach everyone and that's how you start engaging with these girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:25 AM
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What problem do they have, they never approach? Does no one approach them and/or are they straight up torpedoing conversations?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:01 AM
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Good skin gets girls though?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:56 PM
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Long convoluted data analysis by an OP too cheap to get the microdata, and speculative heavily biased responses by a commentariat so tribal that one woman is saying “women do household chores because of societal pressure” as if there are no women who elect to be SAHMs and do chores. 0/10 thread
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 08:09 AM
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Since the Trump tax bill, receivers of spousal/child support don’t pay taxes. So the women in your example got $25k/yr tax free. That’s really good. Sure the millionaire dude could afford a bigger payment but getting $25k tax free as a working class person for ~18 years is a significant amount of money. I’m not losing sleep over these ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:29 PM
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Very misleading statement since you are using America and Europe over nearly 300 years (first witch burning was in Germany in 1500s), with a population of 70 million from what i just googled; with just the black American population of America (~3M people) over a ~100-year period. On a per capita basis there were for sure more black men lynched than witches burned. And then of course there's the issue that lynching wasn't the only downside of being a black person in America. Whichever white pride…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 11:56 PM
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You don't need to have an explicit discriminator to be a discriminated class. For example in the US we have an "Americans with disabilities act." It gives disabled people certain benefits. But that doesn't mean that any random person is guilty of discriminating against the disabled. Rather as a society we've decided that disabled people get a leg up. You could do the same thing with incels, call them a protected class but without implying that any particular woman has discriminated against incel…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:37 PM
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I don’t think women should settle either. Live’s too short to date people who don’t take your breathe away
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:34 PM
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I was walking on a street with my friend and saw my dream girl. Fit basically all of my preferences in terms of body type, hair color, she was pretty, even the curliness of her hair. It felt like I’d been struck by lightning. I was too shocked to talk to her but I don’t street approach so I wouldn’t have done it, plus she was paying for parking and getting into her car. Made me think, why would I ever date someone who didn’t engender that kind of feeling? Maybe that girl was a shitty person and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:12 PM
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Emmitt Till was the classic case. I’m black and I learned in middle school that if you get the wrong white woman mad you can be finished
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 04:09 PM
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By Reddit's standards, in order to date, the guy needs to have a vast array of hobbies, be well-read, well-spoken, well-traveled, worldly, cultured, socially successful, academically and professionally successful. He needs to be fit, well-dressed, well-groomed, and fashionable. He has to be intelligent, suave, charismatic, and an excellent conversationalist that knows how to make a room light up with laughter. On the inside, he has to basically be an enlightened buddha: he has to be fully confid…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:25 AM
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I really empathize with your struggles in a way my other comments haven’t revealed enough. Ehh thanks but why do you think I have struggles? My current dating issue is that I went on a date with a cute girl yesterday but she's less hot than the last hot chick I pumped-and-dumped, so I'm not going to call her back. I'm tall in shape and have slept with like 100 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:49 PM
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So if they get divorced and there's no abuse involved, she will return those stolen assets into the marital pile for it to be apportioned properly, right? It's just abuse insurance right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:03 PM
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What a bad faith response, are you going to engage my points or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:39 PM
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But if he wants to have some success, he should be with a group of friends instead of a loner seeking a person or group to attach himself to without a welcome. I have approached solo and hooked up with women. Pick-up artists famously approach solo and not in packs. My friend approaches women at the grocery store (or they approach him), he looks like a famous actor. Your statements might apply to you but are not universally applicable by any stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:17 PM
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If I was a man I could just keep going hard on my career like I would prefer to do and not have to take my looks fading as seriously This sentence reveals your apex fallacy. You are imagining a man who has looks and risks seeing them fade. But most guys, even as young men, do not have the looks to have a vibrant dating life. They make it up with resources, money, mass approaching, promising commitment, etc. The worse the guy’s looks, the more of these ancillaries he needs to bring to the table, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:21 PM
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The amount of resources/money/charm you need to make up for no looks as a man is no joke. There are guys with millions of dollars who can't get women and have to simp or pay for sugar babies. The rich famous guys you see getting women are VERY rich and VERY famous. Making $100k as a guy won't compensate for being average or unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:50 AM
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So you have one random horrific story of a woman being gang-raped by guys in a chat room, said guys representing a minuscule minority of the male population, and as a result you would rather be isolated with a feral animal that will eat your intestines with high probability. Please choose bear, I will not mourn your passing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:39 PM
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It’s definitely easier to filter thousands of profiles than it is to pay for dates consistently. I live in a big California city, average date is $100 total at least. Takes about 2 seconds to filter a profile, I take 2-3 seconds to decide to swipe left or right. A woman could spend an hour on a Sunday and methodically left-swipe or unmatch any ugly guys (easily 90% of the profiles given women’s ratings of men on apps), and then read the bios of the remaining 100 men and probably nix another 50-7…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:42 PM
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I switched up my Hinge profile to come across as a rich guy ready to blow money on dates, and I am getting more matches. However if the girl actively comments on me paying for her, I unmatch. I’m doing the male version of putting up a bikini photo and unmatching guys who comment on my boobs. This only works because I look rich in my pics (I’m in a tailored tux for a wedding, traveling, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:17 AM
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OP says “social skills are the most important thing” so they’re implying that actually, you would rather have social skills than be hot. Which is delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:56 PM
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I don’t see the point of a thread like this. There’s an entire body of journal articles and papers written by PhDs that confirm that physical attraction is the greatest driver of forming relationships. Social skills “don’t matter” in the sense that they rarely compensate for a lack of attraction. Here’s another “social” interaction that does not rely on social skills: your relationship with your employer. Sure employers would rather have sociable employees who are good communicators, and you mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:45 PM
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But I did ask point blank how those comments differ from the ridicule which comes from r/ are the straights okay, which is also a rhetorical device. This is just whataboutism. The thread is about women using homophobic statements as an insult to straight men. PPD has plenty of "if you wanna get your pee-pee wet so bad, go fuck a dude" and the mods leave it up. The thread is not about offensive statements in other subs or misogynistic statements towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:28 PM
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i dont buy that for a second that's the data uh they also get harassed off the app by all the men taking their dating woes out on random women irrelevant, the point is that women use the app sporadically, men use it consistently. So there's a difference between monthly users, annual users, and lifetime users well yeah one of those things is moral and the other isn't what does morality have to do with this discussion? you made a claim, I am challenging it you can't talk to women who "have used it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:26 PM
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It was definitely easier to get laid pre-internet, people got drunk and made mistakes way more. Nowadays you'll almost never run into an attractive single woman who does not have an option on her phone, either social media, OLD, or a current hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:23 PM
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This is incorrect and has been clarified maybe a thousand times on this sub. The 90% number came from a snapshot of Tinder users in Italy. The monthly average users of Tinder (the most skewed app in the US) is 70% male and 30% female. However the lifetime user split is 55% male and 45% female. Women tend to download the app, use it for a while and perhaps meet someone, and then delete the app and rejoin later. Men stay on the app consistently. This is the flipside of women's complaint that "tind…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:21 PM
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I think male users here understand that arguing/debating sexual strategy is not going to get them laid. You just don't see it spelled out explicitly because the implication - that "understanding" the game makes no difference, the winners have already won - is incel territory. Ask any male user here - aside from a few white knights and the hardcore redpillers - and they'll say that the way to have more success in dating is to be more attractive. I would go further and say that most male users agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:17 PM
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Jesus it’s not homophobia, women love and admire gay men /u/sarahelizam's comment was in response to your above statement, and you respond by saying "this isn't about you?" It's clearly problematic that straight women liberally use "gay" as an insult or out queer people. And that's the topic of this thread. Suggesting this complaint isn't valid because "women have it worse, misogynists are bad" is ridiculous. Homophobic statements by straight women are not less damaging because straight women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:09 PM
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Not arguing with you but no reason to believe Chad is literally a criminal drug dealer. The Chads I know all have good jobs and education (often using their looks, I know a lot of Chads in sales). Just stressing that Chad is not necessarily a degenerate, he’s just good-looking and therefore juggling your girl and 4 others
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:46 PM
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Women defend women as a general rule, and men are split between simps/white-knights and the rest. The result is that the majority of users will give the woman the benefit of the doubt. Happens in real life, I have a friend who was being straight up abused and berated by a girlfriend with diagnosed anger issues, and a non-trivial amount of people said he needed to work on his communication better. Reprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:14 PM
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Best bet is to use Hinge, lots of college-educated liberal young professional women which is a demographic that is disproportionately Jewish. Also has a religion filter including Jewish but I don’t know if that’s a free feature or not (I pay for premium).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:27 AM
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34M Dating life: I stopped dating for the past year after a death in the family, just didn’t have the emotional energy to deal with women. I’m back out there. Before then I was dating/hooking up with 3-4 a year on average, I’ve been with ~80 women. Life in general: I have a wide friend ground from college and grad school, we hang out especially in the wedding circuit. Work keeps me busy, I travel a lot for work and there’s a good amount of stress. I lift weights and play a musical instrument as …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:43 PM
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You can create a profile without being Jewish but you will be ignored if you aren’t Jewish. Jdate is pretty explicitly for Jews who wanna keep it within the tribe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:32 PM
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This has been explained before, and I think I’ve corrected you in particular, but there’s an 80/20 skew on apps like Tinder in terms of monthly active users, but something like a 60/40 or 55/45 skew in terms of yearly or lifetime users. Women are much more likely to use the app, match with someone, get off the app, break up with that guy, and redownload the app months later. Men are more likely to stay on the app throughout. It is not the case that apps are an 80/20 sausagefest and women do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:28 PM
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Im considering moving to NYC, how good is the dating scene? Are you just gigachad or could a high-tier normie get a lot of flow? For context I’m 6’2”, fit, and a 6/10 face if I max out; but am not white or white adjacent (quite brown minority). Figured you might have a take.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:04 PM
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I have a BMI of 28. I am 6'2", 217 lbs. My last Dexa scan had me at ~178# of lean body mass and I have done some bulking. Caliper test puts me at 180# of lean body mass. That would put me at 17% body fat. I lift weights and can deadlift 500, bench ~225, squat 450. I prefer dating fit women, esp women who also lift weights, and the women would usually screen as overweight like me. Just the nature of BMI. That said, most "overweight" Americans are all fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:42 PM
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Yes I agree, just like everyone’s initial conditions are different, everyone’s response to interventions like surgery or skincare is different. My point is that interventions do exist, and each individual should spend time figuring out which ones have the best risk/reward for them. That investment will pay more dividends that theorizing on PPD or “working on your personality.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:51 AM
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Focusing on that aspect never helps. It's the opposite, focusing on that aspect helps the most. I had the biggest improvement in the quality of women I dated (going from dating pretty meh girls to very good-looking girls) when I maxed my looks by losing weight and getting plastic surgery. Years of working on my personality and conversation skills couldn't match the boost from those 6 months. People hear the blackpill and conclude they should LDAR, when the conclusion should be to max out whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:11 AM
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I don't know any woman who has done nor currently does this, either. This isn't the kind of thing you admit to friends unless you are very close. It's a bit like a guy saying to his friends that he lies to women telling them he is interested in a relationship but then pump-and-dumping. I know it happens but the guy will always say "oh she caught feelings" or "she read too much into it."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:09 AM
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Redpill skews rabid right-wing anti-immigrant so you will get a skew in that direction ITT. I feel bad for the refugees/immigrants because I know a majority of them hope/wish they will integrate and settle down in their host country, but if they come from one of the "shithole" countries as DJT says, they're going to face discrimination likely the rest of their lives. I'm American but speak fluent Spanish, and I've had conversations with uber drivers who fled cartels in Guatemala and are trying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:36 AM
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Just to chime in, I have an enormous amount of bar experience, I've been going out regularly for 15 years. I have opened by just saying "hey" and smiling, I've certainly also either commented on a drink she's having, or asked for a recommendation. If he's getting blown off regularly due to this, either he is unattractive or he has a social disorder (I doubt this as he has said he is not autistic and he has enough of a social circle to have been "set up" 47 times). I am agreeing with you overall …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:28 AM
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“Negatively impacts your life” and “blowing off quality time” are both subjective statements but they play a neat trick. It allows you to suggest that a guy who is perfectly functional in all respects, but chooses to game over hanging out with you, is “excessively gaming.” Because of course, he blew off quality time so the gaming negatively impacted his life. Anyway this is all subjective, people can dislike how their partner spends their time and gaming is a common hobby. Some women think their…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 06:59 PM
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I’m being tongue-in-cheek but your advice is a bit ridiculous, you think that all these single guys would just get a girlfriend if they rode public transit and had human interaction? Dating coaching is a multimillion-dollar industry, people will spend their whole lives and use matchmakers to find a partner, but the answer the whole time was “interact with people”? And no one has thought of that or tried that? Incels are just guys who didn’t think of interacting with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:12 AM
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New incel advice: just have human interaction. Why didn’t the incels think of this? All those years they spent at school, they just needed to have had human interaction and they would have gotten into a relationship!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:56 AM
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The woman isn’t entitled to the man being upfront? It’s up to her to assess whether he’s lying, he doesn’t have to tell the truth? If someone is pretending to be my friend because I can get them into cool parties, am I entitled to them being upfront and saying so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:50 AM
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New advice for incels: take public transportation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:31 AM
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My understanding is that a rape charge (woman is the accuser, man is defendant) has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, and (in a courtroom) the standard is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Sexual assault is murky so there will always be lots of actual rapes that do not mean the above standard and do not lead to a guilty verdict. On the other hand, a charge of defamation (man is the accuser, woman is the defendant) also has guilty until proven innocent, and beyond a reasonable doubt. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:07 PM
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I’m sure that guy gets laid more than thoughtful uncreepy ugly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 10:09 PM
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7 kids per family for the majority of human history is explained by marital rape? Not by the need for more labor on farms, or the high childhood mortality rates, or social support networks allowing for children to be raised in common? It was just rape all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 10:03 PM
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Since you ignored the rest of my post I take it that you agree and you'll stop retorting with "if you don't approach you'll die alone"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:01 AM
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Definitely don’t need to approach to get a girlfriend. Chad gets approached and messaged first on dating apps. I’m not Chad tier, just a high tier normie, and I periodically get approached. I got messaged first by a cute girl on OLD yesterday and set up a date after a few messages. Women’s standards are very high so when you meet said standards, the supply/demand flips.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:31 PM
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You know what builds romance? Romantic interactions, aka flirting -> kissing -> petting -> having sex. You know what doesn't build romance? 6 months of dates with no sex. Going on six months worth of dates and not sleeping with each other might build tension but it's not more romantic than having sex with each other. What's a more romantic Valentine's day? He takes you to your favorite restaurant, dresses up, kisses you tenderly, and holds you tight when you two make love; or he takes you to you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:34 AM
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That’s fine and I respect your choice. I’m just explaining that there’s no hard rule where low N women are avoiding casual. I would say most of the women I’ve have casual sex with have been low N. The average N count is like 5 for women. Some girls just want to have fun for whatever reason. Maybe they got out of a long relationship and want to fuck around, maybe they’re bored, maybe I fulfilled some fantasy of theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:41 PM
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I’ve had ons with virgins (bloody sheets from the hymen and everything). You can absolutely be FWB with a low N woman if she’s interested in you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:01 PM
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I don’t know you of course but I’ve gotten the “I am looking for a relationship, no hookups” speech and fucked the girl on the first date. There are a lot of DTF girls who give that speech because they want to look “wholesome” or because they’ve been pumped and dumped in the past and think the speech changes something. But then they’re interested and horny. As a guy I can’t tell if you’re DTF but lying, or actually a virgin, or whatever else. Best I can do is go at my speed and take your respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:58 PM
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There’s no way to spin it, if you fucked Chad fast and let him get his rocks off, and you make Billy wait, you treated Chad better. It’s a romantic relationship, sex is a cornerstone. If you’re making some guy wait, then he’s not getting the “shared positive experience” that Chad got. And why shouldn’t the waiting guy enjoy the shared experience? If I have tickets to Disneyland and want to have a positive experience, and I give you tickets but deny the tickets to Jenny; it doesn’t rly matter how…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:51 PM
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How many times have I heard “sorry I want to wait, I had sex fast before and I got hurt”? So you blew Chad in a closet and he didn’t commit to be your boyfriend, so I’ve gotta wait 3 months and listen to your trauma dumping?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:46 PM
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I’ll add another thing, guys don’t wanna wait AND do all the effort in courting. If I’m going to wait 6 months but she’s planning/splitting dates, does fun things, overall enhances my life, that’s one thing. If im waiting 6 months and have to plan everything, spend hundreds a week taking her out, and providing free therapy, f that. Advice to women, if you’re going to make the guy wait for months, make the journey pleasant for him. And no simply existing isn’t enough
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:45 PM
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Funny troll but incels (I can’t speak for redpill, I dunno their stats) are disproportionately minorities, and often guys who get passed over due to their ethnicity. There are perfectly normal Asian Indian or Black guys who live in a racially problematic area for whatever reason and are incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:41 PM
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this sub is way more obsessed with N counts than IRL. Guys who go out and do fun stuff expect women to have high single/low double digit N counts by their mid-20s you can sleep with a guy after 3 dates without being a whore. That’s a couple of weeks to a month of time, and assuming you get just a casual LTR out of it that lasts 6 months, a woman would rack up an N-count of 10 in 5 years, assuming none of these sex partners pans out to anything longer term Basically this is a stupid OP because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:37 PM
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How does that change what I said? There would still be a curve and weighs to filter out bad actors even if the threats of violence were even higher. And the women can just report as needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:54 PM
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However, most of us still date within relatively limited, overlapping social circles, or scenes Most people date online though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:34 PM
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Stanford how couples meet and stay together is the gold standard (large dataset and longitudinal) and that’s the graph you see everywhere: https://i.redd.it/uwe4cchpfz5c1.png Yes this data looks different from some of the numbers you see like 15% OLD or 25% OLD but it’s a simple reason, I’m quoting a data review (copy below text into Google for sauce): How do we account for this incongruence? A large reason why will be that the HCMST asks for the specific year that people met their partners. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:33 PM
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That sucks but at least the dating app could moderate reviews that include personal information or that don’t pass the smell test. For example you can flag users who are spamming negative reviews (the super-toxic) and suppress their reviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:18 PM
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2 methods: if those guys have dozens of other reviews calling women foodie calls, you can de-weight their review. You could also let users plug in whether they actually met you on the date, if there was more than one date etc (Hinge already asks you “did you meet” when it detects a number exchange). Then you can weigh the reviews with more dates/interactions more heavily. The 15-minute first date that you walked out on would have a tiny weight. Easy way to confirm this, make it double-blind. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:17 PM
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I don’t know if you even read that link but virtually none of those apps do background checks. Hinge Bumble and Raya are the most popular of the bunch (I know older folks use Match but I’m younger), and they use selfie verification and referrals from other members respectively. These are decidedly not background checks and do not prevent toxic behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:13 PM
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Again if this is universally true then it will just create a curve. Every rejected woman will give a 1.0, and every woman who got a second date and leaves a good faith review will settle the guy’s rating at the right spot. You can also mute reviewers who only leave 1s, I suspect that in such a system, the majority of bad reviews will be written by particularly toxic users
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:11 PM
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We have data and it just completely refutes your anecdotes. Social media + bars + OLD is like 55-60% together, and those are all blind (respondents can select “friends” or “work”). I don’t doubt that your experience is valid, the data just doesn’t back it up. Personally I know of 1 couple out of like 10 who have met in the past 5 years not off of OLD. I’ve been to several OLD weddings recently even. Just anecdotal but again we can rely on the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:09 PM
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I’m just telling you that your boundary practically means “no sex till I meet your friends and family” and that’s very conservative. I do not think the mainstream millennial or gen Z woman needs that much comfort to decide if she wants to have sex or not; and a woman who follows this would lose a ton of guys. I know guys who were genuinely looking to get married and have kids ASAP who dumped women where there was 0 sexual contact after 5-7 dates, cus the guy felt used. Said dude proposed to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:07 PM
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“Are we all dating the same guy” has no moderation, users post there specifically when they’re salty, and only one gender uses it. My idea could introduce plenty of helpful rules, no posting personal info, reviews must be entered 1 week after the match is made (or find some other appropriate time limit), etc. The very existence of “are we dating the same guy” shows that there is demand for this kind of system
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:04 PM
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You can ask the same thing about Google reviews or Uber reviews. Is there a systemic problem of completely fabricated Google reviews? Not really, also the establishment (reviewee) can challenge reviews that are totally made up. Finally even if false reviews are a problem, people would be graded on a curve. If every woman is getting some % false 1-star reviews, you still know that the 3.5 woman ghosts less or foodie-calls less than the 2.5 woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:02 PM
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So many workarounds, you can limit the number of reviews per week, or you can weigh reviews by the review score of the reviewers themselves. Presumably the salty toxic guys are amassing low scores so their reviews would have less weight. This is a practical problem but you haven’t discredited the general concept. Background checks and address checks are an insane breach of privacy, should the guy know where the woman lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:00 PM
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Unhelpful comment as the plurality of couples meet online or on socials. It’s not going away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:57 PM
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I explained what is wrong with them, they create a vicious cycle. Every individual is rationally setting boundaries but no one is better off, it’s just like the arms race.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:57 PM
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I don’t think the “bad reviews because we didn’t get along” issue is that big. Ratings are always on a curve, if one woman has a 2.5 and another has a 3.0, it doesn’t mean they’re both terrible cus it’s less than 5. People will figure out that there are salty users that drag down scores. As an example night clubs notoriously have low ratings because anyone who gets screened by the bouncer gets salty and cries racism or some other discrimination. But party people know that a 3.5* review for a clu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:56 PM
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Uber ratings and Google reviews aren’t police but they keep businesses/drivers/riders honest?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:52 PM
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Your advice is basically “don’t have sex for 3+ months,” cus there’s no way I’d introduce a woman to my friends coworkers family before something like 2-3 months. Also introducing a woman you haven’t had sex with to your social circle is problematic for so many reasons and is basically not done outside of virgins saving for marriage etc. Your advice for men makes sense but your advice for women is too conservative to be workable. He likes hanging out with you for months with no contact other tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:52 PM
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You can make the reviews anonymous or only visible months later. And the woman can always block the user, ok he can leave one review but if she’s otherwise a standup person why would that drown out the rest of the reviews?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:48 PM
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Just make the rating system work like Uber, users with too low ratings get booted off and the ratings they left get expunged. There will always be salty people who leave bad ratings even with businesses, that can be handled with verification etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:47 PM
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Common statement both in PPD and from jaded late-20s early-30s girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:46 PM
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I’m talking about trust issues during courtship. Women worried about getting pumped and dumped, men worried about foodie calls, etc. there’s a tremendous chilling effect during the early dating phase because of this stuff. Building trust over years with your gf is a bit outside the scope of OP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:46 PM
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I don’t see why the damage can’t be reversed. If the social Uber rating were implemented for example, it would shift things pretty quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:44 PM
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Bar/restaurant, social media, and dating apps together are the most common way couples meet, clearly there’s lots of “blind dating” going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:24 PM
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30% of women admit to have gone on a date entirely for the free food. And some 80% of women expect the man to pay for the first date, but clearly not every woman is interested after the first date. Wouldn’t call it “rare.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:32 PM
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It’s tricky because there are women who will string you along for free food for months. I’ve been there and it’s not a great feeling. So the good guys (not fuccbois) want the girl to put out to be sure that he’s not an ATM; and the good girls (not gold diggers/foodie callers) want the guy to wait for sex and pay for everything to be sure that she’s not just a fuck-doll to him. You can see how this dynamic creates a breakdown in the dating market. What we need is some kind of contract or trust sy…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:33 PM
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Well to use the racial and gender discrimination analogies, you could introduce legislation? But I have no idea how this could be written. Imagine a discrimination lawsuit by a guy against a woman because he finds out she ghosted him for being below 5’8” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:27 PM
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What did you get done? I spend $25k on eye area procedures and then slept with the 3 hottest women of my life in rapid succession, I don’t even show up to the date if the woman is less than a 6 now. Before that I spend a decade cold approaching lol. Problem is I have no jawline, maybe a glimmer at 12% body fat. I’ll try to get to 10% and see if it appears but that’s an unsustainable level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:52 AM
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I once went out with some friends who were wrestlers. On the way out the bar, there was a woman standing in the exit on her phone blocking egress. I called to her several times which she ignored/didn’t hear, and I eventually nudged her aside and walked out. It was a crowded bar, I thought nothing of it. Well turns out she told her boyfriend that I had touched her or pushed her, and he got in my face as I was getting into a taxi and leaving. He was very aggressive and shoved me against the taxi c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:43 AM
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Just think about the reverse situation of active dread. A man loses his job, puts on weight, and becomes depressed and antisocial. The woman loses attraction for him and divorces him. We know that losing your job or becoming obese puts your relationship at risk. Why wouldn’t the reverse, being financially successful and being in shape, not put your relationship on more solid footing? Well passive dread is just intentionally pursuing the latter and avoiding the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:41 PM
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in some senses women are primarily just filtering out the men who are actually worth meeting Your mistake is thinking that because you’re well-mannered and respect boundaries, you are worth meeting. What makes you “worth meeting” is whether she is interested in you/finds you attractive, and all the defense mechanisms you mentioned still allow her to engage with attractive guys. She has headphones on at the gym and minds her business, but she’ll stand next to her gym crush with her headphones off…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:21 PM
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At least using dating app match data, this is true. Black women do the worst out of all women, but slightly better than white men, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 09:29 PM
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Columbia is the university in NYC with the pro-Palestine protesters, Colombia is the country
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 09:23 PM
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Is that relevant here? The question was whether being an HR manager is worse than being long-term unemployed, from the perspective of the individual. So whether you’re long-term unemployed because you’re incompetent or because your industry nosedived, it still sucks. The parallel with dating is straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:18 PM
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Right so men can’t be long term unemployed, they’re faking it or lazy. If they just tried harder they’d be fine. There’s not been any financial crises or double-digit unemployment in the past few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:33 PM
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In what way can a long term unemployed be a waste of space or not? Are you talking about the unemployed person volunteering or something? I’m confused. Also surely the challenges of long-term unemployment (poverty, malnutrition, unstable housing, no healthcare) factor in when we decide whether it’s better or worse to have full-time employment as an HR hiring professional?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:43 AM
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Welcome to America buddy boyo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:23 AM
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I don’t know what to make of this. What does waste of space mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:22 AM
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Being an HR recruiter is worse than being long-term unemployed?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 08:18 AM
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This is not the norm in the U.S., and splitting a first date is still controversial/rebellious
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 08:17 AM
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Do you drop before or after going on a date and paying for everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:13 PM
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These guys always start with “yea be a tough guy and split” and when you point out the overwhelming societal pressure to pay, and the toxicity showered upon men who split, they capitulate and say “well dating isn’t that expensive, just find a strip mall Chinese buffet, it’s only like $20.” Simps imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:12 PM
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This post is about me, down to the $300 reference which I posted in another thread. Here’s why this is an unhelpful post and just derails the conversation. There’s clearly a paradigm shift, we’re moving from the girlboss era where women might be offended if you paid for a date; to the princess meta where it’s offensive if you offer to split. I’ve had women offer to split, and when I accept their offer they recoil because the offer was just a gesture. Now, I personally pay for dates 1 and 2, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:09 PM
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It’s a nice dress, go for it. People saying $200 is too expensive probably have never bought clothes outside of Uniqlo/J Crew/Target. I recently spent $3k on dress shirts, if I was a simp I’d just buy you the dress but you’re not my gf so whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:40 PM
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Did he actually enjoy the expensive stuff? Did he do expensive stuff for himself or of his own volition? Most people (assuming they can afford it) do expensive stuff because they like it. Him accepting it and coming along doesn’t mean he likes it, even if he enjoyed himself. For example I think skiing is stupid and I’ve never taken initiative for a ski trip, but I’ll join friends if they’re going, and that’s without me being paid for. If my friends paid for a ski trip I’d go just cus it’s free.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:28 PM
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Right, so why does a restaurant reservation mean he’s not lazy, but coffee date mean he is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:25 PM
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I think the foolproof passport bro approach is to go to Colombia Thailand Brazil etc and be Don Juan, but that only works for white guys. There is a more general view that dating is easier for American guys outside of the U.S., including in other first world countries. I’ve traveled a lot in my life and it’s significantly easier to get laid in Sweden or France than it is in the U.S. Taking Sweden in particular, women are much more forward (they are actually feminist aka gender role deconstructio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:48 PM
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Disagree, as an example I like classical music and speak a few languages, meeting women who are interested in language learning and music is way way easier in Western Europe than in the U.S. I’ve been to recitals in both countries and there are simply more young (<40) women in Europe. And it’s not exactly hypergamy for a French woman to date an American guy, exotic maybe but hypergamy I'm not sure. Passport bro doesn’t just mean the Philippines
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:40 PM
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OP is describing guys who do coffee dates because he wants to get to know her in a neutral low-pressure setting. Do you think he’s lying and is actually just lazy? Second question, are you not even lazier because presumably he’s planning all of this? Should you be dumped/ghosted on the basis of being lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:28 PM
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I know this, that’s why I just pick places I want to go and if she hems and haws I move on to the next. I’m not OP, I don’t think women are hypocritical or are bad or whatever. But there’s definitely a lot of dating entitlement and I think the courtship process should be more egalitarian and more focused on getting to know each other versus the guys having a bidding war over how much they can spend on dates
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:02 PM
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So you like doing nice things and he joins you at your invitation, he likes doing casual/not nice things and you reluctantly join but don’t actually enjoy them? Sounds like you guys aren’t compatible. I don’t see any way you can vet that outside of dating the guy for a while and finding out he doesn’t like going to fancy restaurants. Fancy first date is just a bad signal of whether he enjoys that kind of thing, he could be just fulfilling a gender role and he’ll revert to pizza and Netflix later…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:00 PM
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As I explained and other guys have pointed out, you can suggest an idea and have the woman refuse the idea because it’s “low effort,” and then she pushes for dinner (that you’ll pay for). I ghost these girls but this does happen
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:52 PM
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So after he said “I don’t think you were the type of girl who likes that,” what did you say? Did you pick a nice restaurant for the two of you to go to? What did he say?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:42 AM
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OP is about doing low effort dates where neither side has to invest time/money and the focus is on getting to know each other, and you suggest getting her lunch at a taco truck and showing up with a cooler and beers? So when after 45 mins she decides she’s not interested, you have to lug the cooler of unconsumed beer back home? Simping/tryhard culture is getting out of hand, please no one listen to this guy/girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:40 AM
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You gonna ignore the rest of my post, the part about how specifying your preferred niche coffee shop or baked good is extremely rare?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:27 AM
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I don’t follow. Surely the more the man wants sex, the more he will spend? If sex is a craving like any other, then desperation/thirst would make the man spend more? Consider this, Chad with many options isn’t that thirsty for sex so he doesn’t even bother with a date, he messages 5 girls to come to his place. Billy who is a virgin and really wants to impress the woman and gets laid plans a 3-course dinner. Which of these guys is more motivated by sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:56 AM
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I have proposed many coffee dates that have been rejected for being too low effort. I have also proposed drinks dates that have been rejected for being too low effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:54 AM
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What is the problem with low effort dates for the entirety of the relationship? Why does your boyfriend need to be taking you to fancy dinners and planning all these dates? Can’t you two plan together? Can’t you plan dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:52 AM
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Ya this doesn’t work, the woman expects you to come up with date ideas. I have directly asked a woman this and she answered “I don’t know, what should we do?” She punted it back to me. It’s extremely rare, <5% of the time, for the woman to suggest a date idea or pick a time and place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:47 AM
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I don’t see how taking her to a bakery and taking her to a coffee shop are drastically different effort levels. You manufactured a scenario where the baked good is meaningful, but the vast majority of women don’t mention any baked good, they mention meal items like tacos, sushi, pizza, etc. if you’re suggesting the guy takes her to sushi or tacos, then we’re back to high-effort dinner dates. In other words you are saying “don’t take her to just any coffee shop, take her to a coffee shop she like…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:44 AM
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Sigh it’s a bit crazy how low the physical fitness bar is for men vs women, the male equivalent of this chick would be rightfully clowned as a fat fuck, not be modeling clothes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:20 AM
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I’m taller and a bit stockier (big boi hips), I’m 218# total with maybe 174# of lean mass, I’ll need to lose 18-20#.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:20 PM
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In a world with few kids, the average person would not have kids and thus would not care about this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:40 PM
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Why date a woman he’s not attracted to just because she’s interesting? I feel like banging escorts would be strictly better than being in a relationship with a woman he feels no sexual attraction to? If he meets a woman he enjoys spending time with but doesn’t want to sleep with, he can just be her friend, even lifelong friend. I’ve been friends with some women for over 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:29 AM
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She is pretty but too big if one is not a chubby chaser. Would be a knockout if she lost weight
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:24 AM
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She’s not “just overweight”, she’s obese. Somewhere around 35% body fat. I don’t know how tall she is but assuming she’s 5’6”, she probably weighs 165-170 and would need to lose 30-35 lbs of fat (no muscle loss at all!) to enter “fit” territory. That’s 20% of her body weight. I’m not trying to be pejorative here, but saying “just overweight” makes it seem like she’s just got a few extra, no issues with health, she might even have good fitness and cardio.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:23 AM
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I wouldn’t have casual sex with that woman. She’s straight obese
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:15 AM
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Hey bro how much muscle do you have at 12% body fat? Have you plugged your numbers into a fat free mass index calculator? I did some bulking and have nice arms now, but I’m gonna have to cut from 18-20% to 10-12%, hoping I can keep the muscle
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:26 AM
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The idea isn’t that older women are point-blank unattractive, it’s that older women are less attractive than younger women all else equal, and typically less attractive than their younger selves. I don’t think any guy would pick an average 21yo over Charlize Theron (48) or Jennifer Aniston (55). And if the comparison is between an attractive 33yo woman and an average 21yo woman it’s even more of a no-brainer. So just take care of yourself, be attractive, and play the field. There’s nothing you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:15 AM
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Yes cus there are no delinquent or absent mothers. Moms do all the work and if a kid is fucked up from an incompetent or tyrannical mom it’s cus the dad didn’t contribute enough so she had no choice…right? I had a disaster mom and was raised by a single dad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:46 AM
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Nice fanfic you wrote there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:43 AM
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Right wingers push kids and family values because declining birth rates = more immigration, and being anti-immigration is now a right wing plank. Elites in general push kids because gdp growth is productivity growth + population growth, and elites own assets that appreciate when gdp growth goes up. Also the fewer kids, the more the state has to take care of older people and the less money to spent on other stuff like corruption, military, etc. Your average person has nothing to gain from people …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:40 AM
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Roids are more popular now and there are more roids, including milder agents that get you buff but not massive and fake-looking. More women on roids today as well. I can’t believe you’re arguing that men’s body standards haven’t changed as bodybuilding culture and roids have proliferated
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:56 PM
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Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:36 PM
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If enough guys do it, the bar will just move. Also women’s standards don’t perfectly follow the same percentile. Good example, being fit used to mean a bit of tone and a bit of muscle. Then some (but not all) guys got into bodybuilding and steroids became popular, and now “being fit” means Jason Momoa’s Aquaman body. Yes there are still lots of fat men, but as a guy you don’t stand out just because you’re 15% body fat and have been in the gym for a year. That used to be more than enough. Beach b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:34 PM
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Why do you think he struggles with social cues? The guy’s complaint is not that he has trouble socializing, it’s that he keeps getting rejected. You are introducing your own bias here, you think if someone gets rejected, it’s because they have bad social skills. I get called a LARPer but read my advice, does it sound like the advice of someone who has a lot of experience or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:18 PM
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The OP already starts conversations, the women are not interested so they don’t flirt back and they don’t continue the conversation. He’s getting rejected. How does your advice change this? You are giving advice on how to minimize the discomfort that a girl who rejected you feels (“there’s no awkward pause” etc). But Dry-Ad’s goal isn’t to make getting rejected as pleasant as possible for all involved, it’s to get girls. Your advice doesn’t help him get girls. By all indications Dry-Ad is alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:07 PM
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If dry-ad is capable of making friends with both men and women, then he’s capable of socially engaging on a first date with some girl. The point of the set-up isn’t to get the other two married, it’s to see if they click. If he’s not even being setup, it’s either because the woman he’s being introduced to is not interested, or because he’s so cringe or scummy that even an intro date to see if there’s chemistry is off the table. The latter is extremely unlikely since he has a pretty large social …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:57 PM
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It's also possibly the FoF were shown your picture and said, "No, thanks." This is clearly what is happening. If Dry-Ad was a scumbag or a bad person they wouldn’t be introducing him to guys in their friend circle either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:47 PM
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If he’s currently not getting any traction and has to exit conversations constantly, what’s the point of learning how to exit conversations even more gracefully? How does this get him any results in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:44 PM
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He’s probably just unattractive or not the right ethnicity for his social group. This should be obvious but when women try to set up their female friends, they set the women up with the attractive single guys first. They also set them up according to the woman friend’s preferences (height race etc). I had a friend in grad school who told our group that she had a friend from her hometown visiting who wanted to meet some guys. I volunteered to take the new girl out and my friend (she’s foreign and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:43 PM
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Gutters have to be cleaned twice a year. I’m googling it and it’s two hours of work, and you have to climb up on the roof. Costs $300 to outsource it. So the man has to do $600 of work a year for life and the woman cannot help. And that doesn’t include the other stuff I mentioned, repairs, lifting heavy shit, etc. Let’s say you live in that house for 18 years until the kid leaves, that’s $11k of labor he gives you not counting for inflation. That’s about the cost of a vaginal delivery in my stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:14 PM
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So what? If he won’t take the hint, then walk off, cut him off, etc. the idea that you have to accept because they won’t take the hint implies that you have to accept, or else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:48 AM
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Chad doesn’t need to cheat, he can sleep with women without promising exclusivity. Chad texts “u up” at 2AM to whoever is in his phone and gets laid
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:36 AM
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I don’t think you can credibly argue that when an orbiter offers a gift or favor, you can’t decline. Orbiter offers to pick you up from the airport, you can just say no thanks. What, is he going to show up and force you into his car? Women are starting to invoke the threat of male violence in literally every situation, it’s obnoxious. If I don’t take advantage of him he might kill me, so let me take gifts, accept favors, let him fix my car and do odd jobs, it was under duress!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:18 AM
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I know and I have mostly dated women like this, this thread is revealing though because the women here are so mercenary. If the man isn’t rich, he will drive her family into poverty, stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 09:55 AM
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So he needs to pay you because he can’t have babies? Assuming you are a typical woman (not freakishly strong), he will have to do all the heavy lifting around the house, cleaning gutters, fixing the roof, etc. For the rest of his life. You can’t share that burden because you are not as strong. How much do you need to pay him for the physical labor he’ll be doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 09:47 AM
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You misunderstood my post, I’m not saying money doesn’t matter in Latin society, I’m saying that it’s less emphasized vs Anglo because of other factors. Outside of extreme cases like elite Latinos who live in gated communities and fly to Italy yearly, making a living is good enough. Whereas in the US there are women who consider a man “broke” if he makes less than 100k, and that number is shifting. If you ask a typical Mexican woman whether a guy making 2x the median wage is financially well-off…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:41 PM
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Why would marrying someone of humble means threaten your survival? Let’s say a woman makes $100k and married a guy making $50 (that’s median income). Is survival at stake in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:33 PM
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This post is basically “men are bad so they need to pay women.” Men cheat more, want sex more, have side babies more, work less. These are questionable claims in the first place, but what if the man wants sex the same amount as you, has never cheated, and does chores. Would you pay for him? I don’t get why he has to compensate you for the statistical behavior of millions of nameless faceless humans he has never met.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:31 PM
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But they’re referring to human females, not any animal. Like, if he called women heifers, bitches, or mares, or female dogs, then that would be dehumanizing. But using a descriptor that is appropriate for humans isn’t suddenly dehumanizing because it can also be used for animals. It’s not dehumanizing to say two people breeded, it would be dehumanizing to say a woman is in heat. Because humans do breed, but female humans do not experience estrus
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:46 PM
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It’s not only poor guys who complain about women wanting someone who makes a bunch of money. I make a lot of money (like, a lot, millions a year) and I think our dating culture is way too materialistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:39 PM
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I don’t understand this comment. If you don’t have enough income you’re poor? Enough income for what? Enough income to have a roof over your head? Enough income to eat? We have a poverty line, it’s 17k for a household of two, is that your cutoff for poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:35 PM
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A woman is a female human being though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:34 PM
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Surely getting dead-bedroomed by the guy is the equivalent of being deadbedroomed by a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:31 PM
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What are these risks that need to be compensated, and how much should they be compensated? Like, if 50/50 isn’t fair, is 55/45? 60/40? Etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:20 PM
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This is not true, at least not universally. Hinge which is one of the most popular apps does a double-coincidence. If a woman filters out old guys, she’ll never see an old guy in her inbox, and the old guys won’t see her in their stack
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:14 PM
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There are still Americans who won’t date a woman who has dated certain minorities, and def there are parents who would disown a child for dating the wrong group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:12 PM
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I can only make a comparison to Latin (France Spain Latin America) countries. Spain and Latam value personal connections and social circle way way more, money helps but being from the right town or right family is a much bigger deal. This means that blind dates and dating apps are much less popular, superficial filters like height and money are less important (but still help), but on the other hand it’s much harder to date successfully as an outsider. Anglo societies are more atomized and also m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:58 PM
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vacuum - monthly cleaning lady does it mop - ditto dust - ditto wash the windows - ditto clean the toilet - ditto but I’ll wipe stuff down weekly clean the mirrors - cleaning lady clean the bathroom sink - cleaning lady clean the shower/bathtub - cleaning lady clean the fridge (throwing out bad food and at least wiping the shelves) - weekly I’ll toss stuff wash dishes - I do this daily clean the kitchen sink - I do this daily clean the kitchen counters - I do this daily laundry and put away clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:10 PM
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This is the flip side of women saying “I spent money getting ready and putting on makeup, men should take me out.” I’m a buff dude and have been lifting for 10 years, the amount of money I’ve spent on gym memberships, home gym equipment, protein supplements, sleep trackers, etc is insane. It’s way more than women spend on makeup. A woman felt up my shoulders yesterday at the bar but didn’t buy me a drink, what gives??
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:00 AM
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Also, if you're a woman and refusing to put out relatively quickly (like within the first 3 months which is how long it would take to START to get a good idea of a man you met off of an OLD app, START to know, not know FOR SURE)- good luck dating. You eliminate ALOT of men in today's dating culture. ALOT of them. Just wanted to react to this, I have dated women who clearly needed more time to get comfortable before doing anything intimate (we kissed on date 3 and that’s it), and I was willing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:56 AM
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The stat includes all age gaps >8yr, there’s also data for 15+ relationships and that’s in the single digit, 2-3% iirc. I don’t think there’s any debate that the majority of relationships have the guy slightly older. The argument is whether it’s particularly challenging for a 30something guy to date a 20something woman. And the answer is, if he’s attractive it’s easy, if he’s not it’s hard. Not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:20 PM
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Nothing wrong but suggesting that all age gap relationships are with old people because young women hate all men 3yrs older than them is asinine
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:35 PM
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PPD has become old school faceandlms video topics being recycled.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:47 PM
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Don’t engage her, she is a rabid anti age gap crusader and will handwave away anything you say. I posted census data showing that 1/6th of new marriages (that is, not counting relationships or hookups) have 8yr+ age gaps, and she asserted that it was all 50yo divorcees marrying 40yo ladies…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:42 PM
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I stand corrected, you’re a proper hustler
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:29 PM
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Sigh are you one of those Europeans who says they’re fluent in 8 languages but you can order food and say hi in French and that’s it? I can and have done business meetings in 4 languages. Apps aren’t hemorrhaging users. Tinder lost users, Hinge and Bumble gained. The dating app stocks lost money because they were priced for explosive growth. I didn’t hook up because I was a smooth talker. I was in Spain and a Dutch woman who was about 185 cm marched across the room to me and said “you’re the tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:39 PM
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Umm I’ve done like 6000 approaches in real life. I have approached women in real life at a bar, they talk to me for 20 min, then they leave to meet up with a hot guy they matched with on Bumble. It’s 2024, you just can’t argue that dating apps are fringe or not real life. I live in a big city and I’m early 30s, most people are hooking up off of dating apps or instagram, that’s the reality. My first point was that being a good public speaker is overrated for getting women. The #1 factor for getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:53 PM
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Being privately uncomfortable around brown men is a form of racism. It’s unheard of to start avoiding all white men (as a white woman) because a white man committed some crime. And yet you are justifying this behavior if a black man does it. Ergo black men are being treated differently solely because of the color of their skin, ergo racist even if it’s a private view. Euphemistically calling it a “private reservation” is BS. If I had a “private reservation” that women can’t be trusted with math …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:57 PM
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This isn’t evidence, you know better than that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:52 PM
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You have no evidence for this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:02 PM
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I’ve gone from socially awkward to socially skilled (I’ve done thousands of approaches, I can solo travel and make friends, I do presentations in public professionally), but I got the most results when I got more hot (got a plastic surgery, got fit). I went from having to talk to 50 women to get one lay, to matching with models on dating apps. Sorry but social skills just can’t compete with looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:01 PM
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I’m a blackpiller and I have this skill. I’ve done maybe 5000 approaches, I’ve been with 80 women, I’ve given presentations in front of investors and boards. The skill is massively overrated, I have friends who are kinda awkward socially and need alcohol to interact with women, and they have way more dates than me because they’re better-looking. I can get girls because I am totally fearless and approach in all sorts of improbable ways, but my hit rate is a joke compared to my friends, and the gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:56 PM
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If she ain't worth a $100 meal, she won't be worth every other expense you'll inevitably have to suck up and pay for later. I went on a date with a woman who is an heiress to a European fortune, we went for drinks and she split the bill. We didn't talk about money expectations but I'm sure I'd be paying plenty if we dated, but she makes multiples of what I make and wasn't out on date 1 looking for a free meal. Now, I could keep pursuing girls like that or I could feed the whole block because Mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:25 PM
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So your answer is “deal with it”? Why even post in a debate sub? Obviously I can and have dealt with it. It’s still toxic and, as I mentioned in the OP, counterproductive to women’s own goals
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:08 PM
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Again you’re a simp. The only reason men shouldn’t pay for women, according to you, is if the man is physically unable (not enough in his bank account). Otherwise the more the man has, the more he should pay women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:42 PM
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Your argument is that guys should give women free stuff so long as the guy can afford it. Doesn’t matter the guy’s preferences or the woman’s income. Simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 12:46 PM
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Unless the party girl has a public record of her thot past, say a porn star filmography or an onlyfans account, men won’t know and most won’t care. I have only known with certainty the sexual history of one partner out of dozens. And that’s cus she was 18 so there were only so many guys. Woman always leave out the random blowjob they gave in spring break, or the one dude they fucked because they were lonely after a breakup. So they’ll say “I’ve had 3 partners” and list the boyfriends but not the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 12:47 PM
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Surely you are capable of imagining that there are guys who don’t like paying for her shit because of the principle or the power dynamic, not because they can’t afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 12:42 PM
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I have done this but it's rare, there are women who just feel entitled to getting "sponsored" and they will get upset if you split. My personal best, I went on a date with a good-looking girl, she actually got the first round of drinks, I got her the next round and some food at a trendy gastropub. When the date was over I told her I was going home to watch the new Game of Thrones episode, she said "I love that show, can I come?" 10 minutes into the episode we were having sex on the couch. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 06:54 PM
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Men aren't all rushing into first date sex, this is a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 06:26 PM
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Don’t be discouraged, this was an interesting OP. Good job OP!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:13 PM
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I can’t speak for the sociopaths but as a guy who has “used” women for sex (aka slept with women with no intention of dating them), I don’t do much pretending. I just have fun, cuddle, kiss, have sex, and then I go about my day and I don’t text the girl or attend to her emotional needs. Now I’m generally nice and will help out FWBs if they’re in trouble, one time a girl I was seeing but not exclusive with had trouble with an unhinged roommate and I let her chill at my place and encouraged her to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:09 PM
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There are definitely hustlers and bamboozlers out there, but also plenty of covert contracts or women who get the wrong message even if the guy isn’t lying. Hard to know what the proportion is. The bigger issue is, even if a guy promises commitment, he can just change his mind later. How can you tell the difference between a dude who got cold feet and decided to drop the relationship, versus a guy who was lying the whole time to get laid? Outside of a lie detector test I don’t see how
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:58 PM
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You missed a lot of negative pointers. Healthy BMI is one thing but great body is another, lots of women have healthy BMI but are built like teenage boys, and other women are overweight in terms of BMI but looking amazing because they play sports or lift weights. That said I’d take A, B, C, D, and F for a subtotal of -7; and H, I, K for a subtotal of 0. I personally like bossbabes and want to date a girl who works, I’m not too worried about the dynamic because I will almost certainly make more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:54 PM
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This isn’t game of thrones, guys aren’t worried about siring an heir or else the dynasty goes extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:43 PM
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Might as well make the most of life until age 30 then! It could be worse, there are people who get 0 romantic attraction their entire life. Compared to that, having a love life until 30 isn’t bad. Personally I think it’s ridiculous to claim women are unattractive past 30. Go to any hotel bar or similar social scene that caters to the older crowd and just look around at all the attractive 30-something’s getting hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:42 PM
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Why should he do that though? If a woman is only good for sex to him, and she’s willing to have sex, is it his fault for having sex with her? It’s the same philosophical quandary over orbiters. If a girl only talks to a guy she has no interest in because he does her homework and drives her around, and he catches feelings, is it her fault for getting her homework done? Should she cut him loose? Or is it his fault for letting himself get used. I don’t have a good answer but you can’t stop guys fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:40 PM
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But often the guy does say “let’s be casual”? Unfortunately for the woman, sometimes guys get real romantic and cuddly with their fuckbuddies. So if a guy cuddles you, calls you a term of endearment, and takes you on dates, it feels like a bait-and-switch when he keep insisting it’s casual. But casual doesn’t mean clinical, it means “I can see other people.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:36 PM
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not to have sex with people in circumstances where you’re unsure that your needs for commitment or interest are being met. Seems overly conservative. Some people want to take risks even if they aren’t sure. If a woman meets a great guy but she’s 50% sure he will commit after sex, and she’s willing to gamble, why shouldn’t she? Keeping in mind that different people have different levels of regret/disappointment if it doesn’t work out? I definitely think people should be transparent to the extent …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:33 PM
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So it’s not deadly, it’ll become deadly if STDs mutate into a lethal strain of super-AIDS? You’re funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:27 PM
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So it’s not deadly, it’ll get become deadly if STDs mutate into a lethal strain of super-AIDS? You’re funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:27 PM
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Not sure what you mean by “push for sex” but if sex is on the table on the first date and you like the girl, you go for it. I’ve never, literally never, heard a guy say “I met this awesome girl who I got along with great, but sadly I don’t date her because she gave me amazing head on the first date.” On the other hand I’ve been to a few weddings where the couple slept together on the first date. That said, most guys looking for a relationship won’t write the girl off because she didn’t have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:25 PM
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There’s a lot of space in between mid and baddie. Mid is 5/10 and baddie (especially instathot arm candy psycho baddie) is 8/10 or better. But if a girl is a 6 or 7 and constantly pumped-and-dumped, it’s probably a personality issue. Personally I’d take a 6-7 who is super fun to a psycho 9 for an LTR. A friend is currently going through a breakup with a psycho and he’s worried she’ll either threaten to cut herself or will falsely claim domestic violence and call cops (she’s alluded to both). Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:22 PM
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I answered this question in your other reply
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:15 PM
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If men don’t care about the woman’s money, why are there so many threads about who should pay on dates? According to you the men should just all be tripping over each other to pay women for sex? I know PPD has dudes who say a woman’s job/career is irrelevant but that’s not my personal view. And you still haven’t answered my question. I didn’t ask whether money is relevant or irrelevant. I asked whether first date behavior is indicative of relationship behavior or not. You said earlier that you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:13 PM
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It’s not the monetary cost, it’s the time moreso. I work long hours in a demanding job (that’s how I make 7 fig), so a 90-120 min simple first date is very helpful. Also remember that $200 is the cost of the simplest date, if we’re doing dinner and drinks at a decent restaurant it’s easily $400+. Also I personally feel like I’m a sugar daddy or paying for a prostitute when I pay for everything in a relationship, makes me very uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:59 PM
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If you understand markets then you understand supply and demand. Women have more dating options and can thus have higher standards. If the roles were reversed men would be the same. Even if this is true, you’re ignoring changes at the margin. Even if women can have higher standards in equilibrium, it doesn’t mean that they can further raise their standards with no impact on the market (I.e. men’s supply curve isn’t perfectly elastic). My whole argument is that men’s supply curve isn’t elastic, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:56 PM
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Haha calling me a LARPer. Ok buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:44 PM
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You seem to keep dodging my question. I want a long term partner that contributes financially to the relationship. Why shouldn’t I read her refusal to pay/split date one (remember, guys initiate/pay for 90% of first dates) as a sign that she won’t invest financially in the relationship? If I shouldn’t read it this way, why doesn’t the same apply in reverse (the guy splitting doesn’t mean he won’t invest in the relationship)? So far you’ve said “it’s because the woman doesn’t run when the condom …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:43 PM
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Bro you are clueless, stop giving this mindless redpill drivel advice. You can’t outframe reality. Saying “I am the prize” in the mirror isn’t going to make women more attracted. Being attractive will make women more attracted. Also for god’s sake man, I have like 80 lays, I don’t need advice on how to get laid. This is a thread about how the dating meta is changing, not me seeking help losing my virginity from a fake natty PPD redpiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:38 PM
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I’ve slept with ~80 women and gone on hundreds of dates. Bit of a manwhore. I’ve paid for the vast majority of those dates, maybe 90%
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:31 PM
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You’re going to need to back up your point with more than “it’s not though.” I am arguing that women’s complaint that men aren’t putting in effort is partly a consequence of expecting higher effort dates and never splitting the cost. If the guy had to pay for every date, he’ll plan shittier dates or reserve his resources for hot girls. That’s my argument, can you make a real counterargument that doesn’t involve calling me a dateless loser? I’ve had two LTRs, half a dozen STRs, maybe a dozen FWB …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:27 PM
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My OP is about how when women ask for fancy shit, I ghost them unless they’re hot enough to be worth jumping through the hoops. In redpill lingo, I don’t bother engaging the shit tests unless the girl is high enough quality. Where’s the following?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:19 PM
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Why wouldn’t a man who wants easy sex but has money just pay? Rich guys pay for sex all the time. Also your comment about the condom coming off is a non-sequitor. If I’m a guy and I want to date a woman who contributes financially, shouldn’t I read her lack of spending during dates 1-2-3 as a sign that she’ll not contribute financially? Why would I expect her to magically start spending money on me once we’re together? You said yourself that early investment carries over into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:16 PM
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Ah nice, a personal attack. “You’re clearly not interesting because you’re not in a relationship.” Well played. You should know I’ve had two LTRs, half a dozen STRs (less than 6 mo), and maybe a dozen FWBs, and I cut off the LTRs cus I didn’t think me and the girl were compatible long-term. But thanks for calling me an incel. I’m frustrated with paying because I think men and women are equal (funny that) and we should split if she can afford to. But the point of this thread is that the dating ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:13 PM
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Yes, because she is a functioning human. If she says she wants to be taken out, and I don’t want to date gold diggers, I’ll ghost her. I’m not gonna “hold frame” and take her out anyway thinking I can use frame to get her to split. She’s not gonna have brought her wallet. I’m not a moron so I use the information she’s providing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:05 PM
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I can only make threads if I’m a virgin/incel? I noticed a trend so I made a post about it. If you don’t have anything to say besides calling me a loser (I don’t think you do), that’s fine, but I reserve the right to make a post even if I have some success.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:03 PM
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Who cares how expensive your dates have been? You don’t live in my city. Also please go away
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:02 PM
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I have spent some time in NY (lived there a month during covid remote work era) and it was the same shit, girls looking to get taken out. If anything I got sized up about my job more. But I haven’t lived in NYC full-time so I can’t quite compare them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:01 PM
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So I have to stand out by paying for things? I can’t stand out by being an interesting charming fun guy? Or by having things in common with her? Do you see why I think paying for dates is reprehensible?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:58 PM
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Why don’t you spend as much money on the first date? Shouldn’t the prospective male partner read that as you not being willing to spend money on him once you’re in a relationship? “Investment carries over into the relationship” and all that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:57 PM
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Men are expected to initiate the dates (I saw a stat that 90% of men under 25 initiated the date), and it is extremely rare for the woman to pick up the second date in my experience. I assume I’m paying for the first 3 dates and am pleasantly surprised if the woman plans/pays for date 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:50 PM
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Totally agree with your last paragraph, and ironically cheap dates are much more conducive to looksmaxing (you drink less, stay out late less often, eat less crap, etc). So it’s a virtuous cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:48 PM
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So in summary, I’m a beta because I take a woman at face value when she says “I want X?” I get the whole redpill “just hold frame bro” and I’m aware that women will throw out all their rules to bang Chad, but calling me a follower/beta because I read profiles is asinine. And I hate resorting to this but I am 95% sure I have slept with more women than you and have more experience than you, so your wall of text above makes me roll my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:45 PM
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1) I’m not a redpiller, check my flair. 2) I have plenty of real life examples of first date expectations rising. I mentioned in OP that I checked my spending on dates and I was going on more dates before, but at lower cost per date (cus the women were splitting). I have also recently had women say “I wouldn’t go on a coffee date, that’s low effort” and I have asked male friends how their dating situation is going, many report that they’re expected to pay for everything, even when she makes good…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:41 PM
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My mental health is ruined and your evidence is that I made this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:36 PM
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The OP said that rising date expectations is hurting the dating environment for women. She responds with “just date uglier women.” Completely ignores the point in OP that date expectations are higher across the board. Also ignores that I’ve explicitly said I am getting dates and am not an incel, which I added explicitly because any thread that can be read as criticizing women made by a male user will end in the user being called an incel or loser in some way. And once again this thread is 50% pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:35 PM
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I’m not going to deny that I try harder with hot women than with fat girls, is that even a question? The Chad argument is that women only go for a tiny elite, I consider the top 33% (I’ve checked my swipe stats)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:27 PM
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I also take girls to the pub or coffee. My point is that the meta has shifted. I have asked some women to drinks and they respond “I don’t do drinks, it’s a bit too casual.” I then ghost them, but that’s a date that would have otherwise happened that vanishes. So there’s real impact here. I get your point, I don’t need to pay for fancy shit if I don’t want to, but that is missing the forest from the trees. The rising demands have a systemic impact, and I think women are being left on read or tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:25 PM
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There’s a huge space between wanting to go to Nobu and not wanting to split bills. Again I am suggesting that the general female population is less open to splitting and is demanding fancier dates. If coffee used to be ok, for that woman it’s now drinks. If drinks used to be ok, for that woman it’s now dinner. And so on. Just general inflation. It’ll be hard to reconcile our views because there’s no data, but I can say anecdotally, as someone who has never gone to Nobu on a date, that the number…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:20 PM
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I live in a big city and I have a fancy job title and education. If you’re a golddigger I look like a great mark. That might be why, but I have friends with more normal jobs and they report similar. I don’t have data but I genuinely think splitting the bill is less common now than 5 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:11 PM
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You aren’t even engaging with the premise that first date expectations are rising. You just say pseudo-personal attacks like “date lower.” That’s bad faith debating. Also you troll/derail every single discussion and have for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:10 PM
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I just pay for date 1 and 2, if by date 3 she’s not either reciprocating or planning an activity (can be cheap, picnic or a show or something), I either ghost or stick around just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:07 PM
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I’m in LA with a range set to 27-33, could be an age thing. Let me do a quick check on Hinge how often there’s a reference to getting treated. Ok I went through 20 profiles, there were 6 references to being treated. Some were direct (“reservations”), others were just referencing fancy dates (“I prefer sushi”), a couple were making jokes about not paying for stuff (first round is on me if “I would never say this” / “if you wanna be friends”). There were a few that were borderline, like “picking t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:06 PM
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I live in one of the most expensive cities in the U.S./world. Cocktails at any decent bar (aka not a dive or pub) are $20 each. Uber there and back is $15-20 each way. Appetizer is $15-20. So if you meet at a bar and have two rounds of drinks, and nothing else, it’s a $140 date (my uber there and back, the drinks with tax and tip). I don’t do this but apparently dudes are starting to send women Ubers (or paying for their uber home). So two rounds of drinks plus anything extra and you’re at $200.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:53 PM
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I’m talking more about women who demand fancy dates on their profiles, not about my own dating life. I’ve never bought a gift or paid for a trip for a woman I wasn’t sleeping with. Ofc I’ve paid for dates for women I wasn’t sleeping with. My point is that the volume of dates I go on has done down as the meta has shifted to this more traditional chivalric mode. And if that’s true market-wide, then women’s complaints that men leave them on read or don’t make plans might be a result of the higher a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:46 PM
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So you’re saying if the man doesn’t “invest” into date 1, he won’t invest into the relationship? You’re a stranger during date 1 though, why wouldn’t he invest more as you transition from stranger to friend/lover/partner? Do you put as much effort into the first date (money, time, etc) as you do into your committed partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:40 PM
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I am arguing that men have not “historically paid” at the same rate. Pre Covid, splitting was much more common. So not only are men expected to pay more often, but expectations for the amount of spend have gone up. I am now hearing women say that drinks dates are low effort, they were the gold standard 5 years ago. So I disagree that women’s dating is not any worse because their expectations are the same as always. Seems like that’s the core of our disagreement, you don’t think the meta has chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:38 PM
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You are a thread derailer and always bad faith so I’m not gonna debate with you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:12 PM
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This post is about women who write “I want a fancy date” on their profiles. If these girls are average, I just don’t bother because I take them at their word that they want a fancy date. This post is not about me not being able to get laid or not being able to date with buying gifts. I put in that edit cus I suspected I’d be called an incel but basically you’re calling me a simp. I only have so much time and energy, if every date has to be a nice venue and $250, I’ll go on one date a week and as…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:11 PM
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Fair enough but this thread is about courtship dates (dates 1-3, dates before having sex or defining the relationship, etc). No way I would take a partner out for their birthday and not pay/make it cheap. Hell I take male friends out for their bday and pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:07 PM
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I would believe you but of the two former models I’ve dated, one split the bill and the other paid for the second date. So it’s not the case that the hottest women I’ve dated were the most “expensive.” I think that’s the trend in general but it hasn’t been my experience. Again I do have attractive qualities besides money, I’m tall fit and ok face so it’s not a massive disparity if I’m out with an attractive woman (though I’m not Chad by any means)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:06 PM
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I live in an expensive go-getter American city so I’m sure there are more women expecting nice things than in middle America (if only because there are nice things like fancy seafood restaurants!) My argument here is that expecting men to pay for the dates actually makes it worse. I have dated girls who were not amazing on paper, but I thought “she seems nice, let’s just go vibe.” I didn’t feel the pressure to plan something fancy or make a ton of effort, and then on the date I found that I enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:03 PM
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I said I’ve dated (LTR) 6s. Thing is, if I have to invest a ton of time/energy into every date, I’ll start half-assing with average girls. Same logic as “I spent all this money on makeup, the guy should provide a ton of value.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:43 PM
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Average women also have expectations of nice dates. “Reservations at 8” shows up on all profiles, ugly average and hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:40 PM
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I am friends with men who are 9/10, including some former male models and some 6’5” former athletes, and let me assure you that they do not need to promise exclusivity or deceive to sleep with 7/10 (your conventionally attractive but not model-tier) girls. 7/10 girls will only ever come across a few male models in their lives, these guys don’t grow on trees and the girls simp for them. OP talks about pro athletes, do you think an NBA player has to lie to sleep with a local instagrammer with 20k …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:10 PM
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Attractive men on OLD are deceptive about their only desire frequently just being to have sex The classic situationship involves no deception. The guy won’t commit and wants to keep it casual, to her dismay, but he doesn’t lead with “I’m looking to get married” and then switch it up to casual later. Women tend to say it was deception to soften the blow to the ego. Much harder to admit that Chad will get married, just not to you because he’s got better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:06 PM
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The exotic angle doesn’t outweigh the racism, sorry, the “personal preferences.” The most recent stats say that between 50%-90% of women, depending on their race, are NOT open to dating someone of my race. There aren’t enough fetishists/girls into exotic guys to make up that difference. Yes when I leave my town or America and go to other countries, suddenly women are interested in me and I date some fairly attractive ladies. So my case is a perfect example of someone being impacted by societal f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:30 PM
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It would siphon off some of men’s demand for sex, and the thirst economy would shrink as a result. At the margin men would stop signing up for OnlyFans thots, stop paying for women on dates out of desperation, and just generally simp less. Women would adjust their expectations accordingly. Some of the countries in Europe with the most egalitarian dating cultures (women split dates etc) have prolific prostitution. Spain being the example that comes to mind. Part of the issue with the labor market…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:20 PM
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I’m a minority and have a job in a very white area. We have MAGA rallies here and there were race riots a few decades ago. There’s an external factor that impacts my dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:14 PM
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Age gap debate threads will always go nowhere, there’s no intellectual honesty. Women don’t like it because in a dating market with normalized age gap relationships, they would all become Chad’s 4th option once they age out. Women rip on Leo DiCaprio because they imagine being the girlfriend of a multimillionaire but being on precarious ground. Leo’s sin is that he doesn’t guarantee the future for his girls. Reality is, young women are more attractive than older women, and attractive men will be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:25 PM
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17% of the male population is over 6ft. So there are more 5+ yr age gap relationships than there are men over 6ft. Would you say men over 6ft are rare?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:03 PM
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He didn’t claim he was more charismatic to the opposite sex, how could you even measure that. He said he was more charismatic. Not hard to figure out, if he and his sister have ever been to a family function, who was more extroverted, making more jokes, getting family friends to take interest in them? When they were students in HS, who was in the cool kids circle? When you have a sibling close to your age, you have tons of evidence of non-sexual non-dating social interaction. If anything a stran…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:29 PM
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I mean cmon, if you grew up with a sibling you know their personality pretty well. He and his sister were probably socializing together both as kids and adults, with family and with social groups their age, etc. I’m not sure why we should doubt OP’s assessment of his sister
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:11 AM
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1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime, I suspect that greater than 1 in 5 young men will end up MGTOW or incel. At the end of the day violent crime in the US is rare and has been falling on a per capita basis. Compare being a woman in NYC in the 1980s during peak crack epidemic to being a woman in NYC today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:07 AM
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When girls want to set up their single friends, they think about the hottest single guys in their social circles and work their way down the list. The guys who get girls via social circle typically also get girls from app and cold approach. “I’m recently single, got any average looking funny guys you can set me up with” said no girl on a rebound ever
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:58 PM
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But it’s not pocket change, it’s 25% of the household income? I don’t doubt that you and your husband aren’t doing forensic accounting about this or anything, but it’s clear that he contributes a greater percentage of his earnings to the marital pot than you do, which was the original commenter’s assertion. As you can tell I am pretty into budgeting so what bothers me about your situation is that you guys are so chill about your finances, I can tell you how much I spend on Netflix in the past 5 …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:53 PM
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Do you contribute 25% to the finances since you make 25% of the income?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 11:44 AM
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Depends on the genetics. Some guys have jawlines at 18% body fat, other guys have a moon face at 10% body fat. So just like everything else, it’s genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 11:43 AM
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I wonder how much these influencers are spilling out into the general consciousness. Andrew Tate definitely shifted dudes towards redpill stuff even though he was just grifting, I’ve actually had several young men uber drivers talk about redpill. The main influencer in that article had over a million views, there’s only 25M women between 18-29 in the US, between her and the sprinkle sprinkle lady it’s a safe bet that 10% of young women have seen this content. Not a majority but not trivial eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:23 AM
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I think what he’s getting at is: the business you run on the side, does any of its profits go into the marital accounts or into your joint finances? Or do you keep all of it? I get that your husband makes 3x what you make, but anything you contribute to the joint account would boost your marital finances and benefit him as well, whereas if you sock it away for yourself he gets no benefit. On the other hand it sounds like his salary is considered joint finances. Ergo, his money is joint, your mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:16 AM
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Be that as it may, there is a discussion to be had around men’s preferences and whether they get shamed. Men have been called fatphobic even if they didn’t call the woman a whale or warpig or insert derogatory term here. Now maybe your argument is that this doesn’t happen, men aren’t shamed unless they use derogatory language?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:22 AM
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What race are you, and how’s your face? 10 being a professional male model, 5 being nondescript average guy (think a generic tech support dude), 1 being Jabba the Hut?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:20 AM
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I get you but it seems off-topic. OP is talking about a guy saying he doesn’t like fat woman and he gets called a fat-shamer or fatphobic. I get your view is that this doesn’t happen or the people saying “fatphobe” are in the wrong, since your initial response was “it’s ok for men to have standards but…”? I think fighting against derogatory language on an anonymous forum is a waste, just report if it gets too personal or offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:16 AM
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Why does it matter that anonymous redditors are being dicks to women while describing their preference? PPD is generally toxic, women belittle men, men belittle women. I always assume the heart of the matter is about how to think/behave in real life. Otherwise it’s just tone policing on a Reddit sub which is a waste of time and moreso a meta topic for the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:05 AM
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Presumably the men keep their standards to themselves IRL but are open about it anonymously online? I don’t date fat women. When a fat woman hits on me IRL I just socialize platonically and I never move the interaction forward (most women aren’t going to push things, they’ll just express interest). Eventually the fat woman gets the hint and moves on. I’ve never insulted or put down a fat woman to her face. I don’t even talk about the topic except to male friends when we’re salaciously discussing…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:49 AM
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I don’t even know what part of my post you’re disagreeing with. Also you’re personally attacking a ton of users. Maybe stop doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:41 AM
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Women who aren’t in shape and don’t have perfect hair/lashes/nails also want men to be attractive/tall. Also the “fit dude” male body takes at least 2 years of serious lifting and diet, and that’s if the guy has good genetics. “Dad bods” like Jason Momoa’s takes 5+ years. To be “in shape” a woman just needs to eat less. Outside of instagram influencer tiers, guys don’t care if a woman lifts weights or has a six-pack
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:14 AM
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Leanness shows on your face if you have a face that doesn’t hold onto fat deposits, which is genetics. For guys who have bad genetics in this regard, there’s no gym for your face
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:50 PM
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I just posted stats that there’s not an ED issue before the guy is 45+, and this thread is about mid 30s guys. And now you’re once again asserting that young women are assessing whether their 33yo date will have ED in 15 years? I get that you’re an anti-age-gap ideologue but these mental gymnastics are getting over the top
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:24 AM
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People don’t choose their partner today based on whether their partner will have a higher chance of ED in 15 years. That’s the kind of microanalysis we do here on PPD but it doesn’t happen in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:13 PM
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The ED prevalence rate based on IIEF-5 scores was 24.2%. Prevalence increased with age: 52.2% of the 75+ age group, and 48.0% of the 65-74 age group meeting diagnostic criteria for ED. Diagnostic criteria were met for more participants in the 18-24 age group (17.9%) than the 25-34 (13.3%) or 35-44 (12.7%) age groups, but less than the 45-54 (25.3%) or 55-64 (33.9%) age groups. Assuming this thread is about mid-30s healthy guys dating 20-something’s, ED is not a meaningful factor in the discussio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:18 PM
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I think apps should allow a prompt area that is searchable, then whoever wants to put measurements (e.g. if it improves their dating) could do so. It would make the people with worse measurements feel bad, but we already have height and short guys feel bad, why stop there?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:59 PM
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By chance I had a dating app experience where I could confirm the woman’s weight and body measurements. I matched with a woman who works in film and has an account on backstage.com (it’s like LinkedIn for auditions). Users can provide their height/weight/body measurements for commercial auditions - a clothing line wants a certain body type for a new ad campaign for example. So we match, I do some cursory googling and I see her profile on this website. I can see from her app profile that she is f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:17 PM
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You aren’t accounting for outlier guys who are sleeping with 5 women at once. You only need a small number of guys like this to throw off the entire gender balance. If just 5% of the guys are “dating” (situationships) 5 women at once, and half the population are in monogamous relationships, you would get 25% single women and 45% single men, which the earlier poster described. It’s not at all far-fetched that the top 5% of guys can be juggling 5 women or more. I’m not a chad and I’ve juggled 3 at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:35 PM
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No reason to believe you will get dates just because your social circle is large. There are guys with big social circles who have weak dating prospects, think about the class clown guy or that one friend in a group who is the chubby lovable dude. Social circles also have very few single women, so you live and die by whether the ~5 single women in your friend group of ~50 people are interested in you (and are you interested in them? Shocker but the guy might have tastes too). Meanwhile you can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 07:53 PM
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If the men and women are having situationships, then the man is not necessarily leaving the app. Women might leave the app when they’re “seeing someone” aka dating/fucking but before having defined the relationship. Guys only leave the app when they’re fully exclusive having defined the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:46 AM
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There are surveys asking men and women “have you ever used dating apps” and “have you used a dating app in the past year.” The skews to that question are closer to 60/40 or 55/45. However the monthly users are skewed 80/20 (on tinder, other apps like Hinge Bumble are more balanced)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:42 AM
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The idea is that “monthly average users” has a gender skew, but yearly average user and lifetime user is more gender balanced. So at any given time the apps are 80% guys, but the female users have more velocity; they download, match a bunch, then delete. From the male perspective this looks like profiles being created and then deleted. The guy needs to lock down the women for the short window they’re on. Think about a club that is open for 3 hours. There are 30 guys at the bar at the open. Group…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:40 AM
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I’ve maybe gone on 50 dates in the past 5 years, and the woman has insisted on Dutch twice. A few times I offered to split and she got upset I even asked. One woman paid for the first round without me asking and I was so taken aback I impromptu took her to a nice jazz club and dinner the same day. Just my experience but the majority of women expect the guy to shoulder the costs of courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:25 PM
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What if the guy has a solid ability to pick up social cues, but every “hi how are you” goes nowhere? I went to a Pilates class once, I was the only guy there, and only one woman engaged even just my polite hellos. Before you call me an autist I have hooked up with dozens of women. My point is that women are not always interested or willing to being approached, and no amount of social skills changes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:30 PM
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Cmon, any venue based around games (arcades, board games, etc) will be overwhelmingly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:27 PM
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Yes, a nice compatible simp will come along. Or maybe he’s an awesome guy and will be thrilled from waiting 7 dates. But that’s not me so I’d pull the plug by date 3
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:55 PM
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Why wouldn’t it be destabilizing beforehand? I have some level of trust and connection from the moment I meet her, how would withholding sex when I am interested increase the level of trust and connection? Doesn’t intimacy increase trust and connection (assuming no one violates boundaries or do something rapey which I think we are all assuming in this thread?)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:53 PM
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“I want a relationship with you, therefore I will not engage in one of the cornerstones of the relationship” is not destabilizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:44 PM
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Alpha fucks beta bucks Alpha pipe beta gripe Alpha creampie beta sad cry Alpha lay beta pay Alpha titty beta pity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:42 PM
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Unless she’s religious or inexperienced, sex after a few months = you’re a beta and she’s not attracted. Dead bedroom imminent
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:37 PM
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That’s what OP is about, men leaving. I also employ the 2-3 date rule. There are so many great women who will have sex on date 2 that it’s a waste of time waiting until date 7 with some woman. And you don’t get to know a romantic partner until you’ve had sex anyway, so it just slows down the relationship to wait that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:36 PM
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Why is rushing sex destabilizing to a new relationship, but withholding sex (aka one partner wants sex and the other does too, but is not engaging as a means to an end) not destabilizing to a new relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:34 PM
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I said “he couldn’t hold a conversation” cus he was too drugged out, aka he was too fked up to speak. How is that not clear? I said guys worry about losing their girl to pro athletes and you answered “them being at the party means they’re good wrt sociability.” How is that not saying sociability = leaves the house? You didn’t answer my question, if average club promoter slaying is commonplace, have you or your girls ever dated an average-looking 5’9” club promoter? I don’t doubt that the club pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:24 AM
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That might be how you work because you can’t take others’ perspective, but there are humans totally capable of caring for a cause that doesn’t and will never affect them personally. So when you say “I care, the loneliness epidemic impacts us all” that’s just saying you care because it affects you. I’m a man and I support and vote based on abortion rights. I have no sisters, my mom’s dead, and abortion is legal in my state anyway. I will get 0 benefit from the policy outcomes of abortion rights, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:17 AM
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Your definition of “sociability” appears to be “he leaves the house.” I tell you my drug addict friend is walking around social venues unable to speak and you say “well he’s social cus he was physically present.” Yes I grant you that if a model literally doesn’t leave his house, he’s gonna do worse. That’s an insanely low bar and honestly he could just use tinder and get girls without leaving the house. Your average Mr King of the Party is probably not having much sex, they just get to look cool…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:14 AM
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He wasn’t asking about “issues that affect all of us,” he was talking about men’s issues. You’re proving his point by steering the convo back towards women: no one gives a fk about an issue if the victims are solely men and the beneficiaries of a policy change would be solely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:55 PM
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Ya you don’t know what you’re talking about. I know some guys who were D1 athletes, a few male models, etc. They’re personal friends so I know their personalities. One dude was working through an addiction and I’ve been out with him where he was too drugged to hold a conversation. Another guy, 6’7” athlete, gets angry and sometimes yells at women to shut up. They both get way more girls than me and it’s not close. The social average guy taking girls from male models is a bluepill fantasy, I don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:48 PM
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You listed all these combinations except the actually relevant one, which is above average looks and below average sociability. That guy slays more than average looks, above average sociability. Your premise here is that sociability has some strong effect and if only the autists were more extroverted, they would do great. I’m trying to tell you that as an extroverted person, my success rate depends on my appearance. If I’m overweight and flubby I get fewer women, if I’m jacked I get more women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:25 PM
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Just imagine her getting railed out by Chad, that’ll get her out of your mind pretty quick
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:13 PM
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His French is quite bad, he has a good accent but serious gaps in vocabulary, and he often makes anglicisms. I don’t blame the guy, he grew up in NYC to French parents so probably never spoke French on a daily basis as an adult. Doesn’t matter cus he’s a famous handsome actor, he’ll get the benefit of the doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:12 PM
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Your contribution to the topic is “all the men who disagree with me are autistic”? I’m not autistic, I’m not undersocialized (I’ve been invited to like 40 friends’ weddings?), I’m not introverted (I both go out solo and travel solo, and have slept with women and made friends that way), and I still think that’s because of looks much more than personality. Sure I have lots of confidence from experience but I’m also 6’2”, buff, and rich which allows me to get into exclusive events which confers sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 05:54 PM
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This is a troll post but I do know of some guys working in finance who are scared of hiring women because they’re worried the woman might be trigger-happy and go to HR for any slight. So they start implementing “Mike pence rule” or avoiding their female colleagues. Not defending this behavior, but this troll OP does have a kernel of real-world in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:54 PM
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Bad faith comments, why even participate in a debate sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:49 PM
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Dodging the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:18 PM
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So you’d rather be with an ugly bald guy with dark eyebrows than with Legolas from lord of the rings? “Neither” isn’t an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:02 PM
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Everyone has a unique preference but there doesn’t seem to be a huge market for short balding ethnic guys working service-level jobs, funny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:00 PM
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In the Hellenistic period there was a guy called Demetrius who fought a bunch of civil wars to get control of Greece. He edged out his rivals because he was tall and handsome so people trusted him to lead, and he could seduce princesses from other factions and get their money or connections. His enemies knew this so they tried to assassinate him by having some hot princess declare that she wanted to bang him. Mid-sex the assassins tried to catch him but he escaped. An Ancient Greek short king wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:58 PM
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A guy doesn’t need to be a movie star or male model to get chosen for his LMS. Just think back to high school, did you have a crush on the football quarterback or the chess team skinny nerd? Keep in mind that both were socially awkward 16yos.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:54 PM
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I wouldn’t be too worried, there’s typically a surplus of single guys in the pop so there are plenty who are single but don’t have a crazy deal breaker. Whereas there’s so much demand for young women (under 30 let’s say) that if you do encounter a single 30-something, she’s either just broken up with someone and you’re in the 2-3 month period where she’s single; or she’s batshit. Purely anecdote but I know some good guys who had their first serious relationship at age 30+. These guys have good j…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:47 PM
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I didn’t say everyone. There are plenty of women who aren’t just trying to secure the bag when dating. But when you have 80% of the female pop looking to marry a guy who makes more than them, a similar % that expect the man to pay, it’s clear that a sizable portion of women see free $ as one of the benefits of dating. It’s not a neutral consideration. Now does that mean women are basically for hire, or every woman would dump a great guy who’s poor for an awful destructive dude who’s rich? I don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 10:38 PM
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Lots of Hinge profiles with the woman writing “Please plan a real date, not just texting “u wanna chill”” The proportion of Chads these girls have to be messaging for them to only get “wanna come over and chill” messages smh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 10:24 PM
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I didn’t say it’s hypergamy. I said it’s opportunism and free money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:30 PM
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Depends which blackpiller you ask, there’s nonstop debate about it. But it comes down to: “height/face/race, pick two.” Short, white, rly handsome face. Will be fine. 6’5”, white, average face with no neck? Will be fine. Not white but tall and chiseled? Will be fine. Now if you wanna be giga chad, you can’t have flaws, but just Chad is good enough to swim in puss
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:49 PM
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We’re not talking about punching and pushing, we’re talking about mutilating someone with an edged weapon. I’m sure there are some situations where it’s self-defense and that’ll hold up in court, but the only information you were given was that woman took a knife and severely injured man. Jumping to “he must have deserved it” is surely victim-blaming? Or you think there are no violent women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:08 PM
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Is it not exactly victim blaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:37 PM
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Long OP full of mental gymnastics which is standard on this topic. The problem is, even women who can 100% protect themselves from unpaid labor or imbalanced childcare responsibilities are looking for a rich guy (richer than them). Finance chicks, tech girls, and millionaire actresses still tend to marry guys richer than them, even though the women can pay for infinite household labor and childcare. Childfree women still expect the man to make more, “just in case” she steps back from work. No el…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:36 PM
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I cannot physically get erect to fat women but I am aroused by women with large frames. I slept with a competitive diver, she had shoulders as broad as me and was muscular, it was hot. My preferred body type is crossfit/olympic lifting girls and they’re not dainty, but unless they’re on steroids they’re still feminine. My tastes are probably niche but every gym girl and crossfit athlete woman I’ve ever met has a boyfriend so clearly there’s demand for this. If anything you should be glad you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:12 PM
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I used to be poor and skinny like a twig, I still got laid. The one time I didn’t get laid was in high school when I was rly small, short, skinny, just totally unremarkable
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:02 PM
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Bro I don’t disagree with you, I’m just saying this is against sub rules. Also blackpillers don’t think they don’t have friends because of looks, blackpillers don’t even necessarily have trouble dating. I’m a blackpiller and I’ve slept with like 100 women including models (like, in a magazine models). I don’t just think I got the chance because of my personality, it’s because I’m 6’2” and jacked with a top 1% income/job.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:34 AM
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That may be true but lookism is explicitly against sub rules. Maybe as a comment it’ll fly but I doubt this OP will stay up. Makes the sub mostly entertainment, any serious examination of dating begins with looks. Read any scientific journal article about relationship formation and attraction and the overview/background section is basically a summary of looks papers. For historical reasons (namely r/braincels the main incel sub forum went overboard, got banned, and their members brigaded this fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:11 AM
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Mods will be here in a sec. Looks/blackpill content isn’t allowed on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:41 AM
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Chiming in with a minor correction, “bride price” is a payment from the guy/his family to the woman/her family to get married; dowry is the payment from the woman/her family to the guy/his family to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:40 AM
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The League restricts the number of profiles you see. Still plenty of Chadsexuality, flaking, etc. Now your theory might be right: if the entire dating app ecosystem were less gamified, it would be better. As it stands, if an app like the league restricts your numbers and you run out for the day without any good matches, you can just get on bumble/hinge/tinder and keep playing. Also the people who actually get matches (hot guys and women) would rather have volume. The hot guys can juggle as many …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:08 PM
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Women do give decent dating advice, they just never answer the question. Typical dude asks “I’m single and lonely, how do I get a girlfriend” and women answer “treat her like a person and have hobbies.” The problem is, that’s the answer to the question “how do I keep a girlfriend.” There are guys who treat women like people and have hobbies but no girlfriends; that’s probably the majority of single guys. However women spend the majority of their time around men that already pass the initial scre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:48 PM
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No need to be condescending with “liberal hellhole” and “outcome dependence and stinginess,” especially when you are plainly stating your dating decisions are outcome-dependent on him paying for the first date… I just think it’s so convenient, all the intellectual and societal scaffolding around a courtship style where the guy does all the work, pays to enter your time of day, etc. You’re the princess because you’re the woman, and hey maybe you’ll spoil him with $50 worth of lunch. There’s no pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:48 PM
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But why does he have to shell out first? Why don’t you shell out first, if it’s all going to even out down the road? Your answer seems to be “it’s trad.” But you have a job and that’s not trad, so why is it specifically the initial courtship that has to be trad? I don’t want to assume your particular view but for a lot of women, it’s because they can sift through their suitors at low cost. Imagine shelling out first for the guy, but the first 5 guys you court don’t work out. That would suck righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:20 PM
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But that’s exactly what simping means: Considering it out of the question for the woman to pay. You’re generalizing off of your personal experience. I’ve been on dates with women who insisted we split because they don’t like the implication that the man bought their time. I’ve also been on dates with women who insisted I pay and were offended if I suggested splitting. I lose interest in the latter case because I assume she sees me as a walking wallet. There’s more than enough of the former, I sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:16 PM
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In other words women’s time is a good subject to supply and demand forces. If a bunch of simps are willing to spend $500, then I look like I “don’t appreciate” her if I don’t spend $500. Hence my earlier point, simps are rampant so women think their time is valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:17 AM
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If a guy respects a woman and is a simp, he’ll be happy to pay. If the guy believes in 50/50, he’ll not pay even if he respects a woman. I think paying for a woman is not treating her as an equal, so I would always split if it was socially acceptable. But US dating is simp-central so I have to play along
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:37 AM
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I was following you until you said “if he asks me to pay, I will but then I know we’re not compatible.” Functionally doesn’t that mean he needs to pay? You said it’s about the dance, roles, posture, etc. but apparently that includes him paying for your outings? So you’re just looking for trad gender roles? And I’m sorry, unless you shop at boutique grocery stores importing meat from Japan and cheese from France, your kitchen cooking will cost way less than a date out. In the end he’ll be paying …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:32 AM
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Tons?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:58 AM
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Whitney Herd the founder is worth $200M at most, she had most of her money in the stock. She was a billionaire on paper at the top of the market. And she’s been fired and is now writing books
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:12 PM
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From the perspective of IPO investors, aka the public, it was a colossal failure. It’s down 85%. Retirement funds and institutions buy stocks at IPO, so a bunch of teachers and firefighters lost money on this. Sure the original venture capital funds and founders made money, but only by selling to the average person at running off with the bag. You’re suggesting if someone made money at some point, the company was a success. WeWork made one guy rich, Adam Neumann, and fked over everyone else. Hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:13 PM
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I’m not a gigachad but I am attractive enough to get inbound likes from women, typically average or below average women, and I respect these women for shooting their shot. I’ve had attractive women make the first move but it’s incredibly rare, and there’s no downside to me approaching as well. The women who approach first are a different population, and I’m only increasing my odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:11 PM
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If making the first move speeded up my goal, yes. If I have 20 job offers but I don’t like any of them, I’d still proactively pursue the job I wanted instead of sitting on my ass hoping offer #21 was the perfect one
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:22 PM
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I think 60-70% of the US population lives in a large coastal city? NYC + Southern California alone is like 30M people and a big share of the dating population since young ppl move to big cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:21 PM
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Seems you don’t interact with many bulky men who are also lean. Consider joining CrossFit or a bodybuilding gym, lots of muscular bulky guys who also have visible six packs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:17 PM
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“Strong muscular men, lean doesn’t show up” is a weird sentence. Are you saying lean men aren’t strong/muscular? Two guys, one is muscular and 25% bodyfat, looks like the mountain in game of thrones. Second guy is muscular and 12% body fat, looks like Henry Cavill in Superman/the Witcher, which do you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:03 PM
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Bumble lost 85% since ipo, Match lost 80% in a similar time frame, and the nasdaq is up 20% (but that’s mostly nvidia etc). So dating apps are bad but Bumble is uniquely bad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 05:49 PM
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A National Geographic/Ipsos survey of more than 1,000 American women found that only 29% of respondents identified as feminists, while another 69% did not. Just over 1% did not respond to the question. when respondents were given a more specific definition of the word (“someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women”) in a global Ipsos poll, 61% of American women identified as feminists. Depends on how you ask the question
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:26 PM
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Women who get used for sex just have poor boundaries and may be a people-pleaser?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:07 PM
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So by your admission, men seeking women doesn’t mean they like women. Glad we established that. I’m sure you won’t revise your position
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:39 PM
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Quite a strong assertion you’re making. “No one who hates women would ever hang out with women.” Easy follow up question, do you think there are any misogynists in relationships? If so, how/why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:11 PM
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Stop talking about how buff and athletic your friends are, it’s weird. I say that as a buff athletic person who is likely stronger than the dudes in your story. There’s something called Bayesian statistics aka conditional probabilities. Conditional on being on a sidewalk in NYC, what are the odds a random man will kill you? I’m asking you, conditional on being in the woods, what are the odds a random man will kill you? And we then compare this to the first conditional. Without a sense of these p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:10 PM
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Data does support the idea that “struggling at dating” is not fringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:06 PM
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Might be selection bias. Lots of guys struggle but don’t complain about it. It’s understood that complaining about your dating struggles as a man is a social no-no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:05 PM
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Gamers hate women, dudes who play coed sports don’t hate women. Brilliant. You should write a psychology paper about your findings. Add in some anecdotes about the guys in your run club and how they’re “good guys” cus they don’t get offended when women fear for their lives around them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:04 PM
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Well yeah, humans are the animal that are most dangerous to other humans. But sharks are obviously more dangerous than humans. So are rabid dogs, hippos, and all sorts of other critters. We just keep them in zoos. Can’t keep other humans in zoos. Number one killer of women is heart disease, car accidents, etc. Odds of being killed by a random man are somewhere near odds of willing the lottery
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:01 PM
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You ignored my question? I don’t care about your anecdote and again you keep fixating on how big and burly the men around you are. You like buff guys, we get it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:59 PM
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The original TikTok man vs bear has some qualifiers. It was 48 hrs in the woods, and you were in close proximity, aka the bear/man could get to you, could tell where you were, I.e. you can’t just walk off and avoid the question. Are you talking about this bear victim guy to make the point that bears don’t always kill humans right away? When humans are killed by bears, how long from encounter to death on average? That’s more relevant than the bear guy hanging out for years before being mauled to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:58 PM
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It’s too frustrating to debate you because you go on tangents and argue ancillary points that don’t matter. Someone said that women interact with strange men, you said “no they don’t, women all date pre-vetted men”, I brought up that 80% of women have gone on an OLD first date, now you’re saying that different because it’s in public? The entire conversation was about whether women in society take the risk of interacting with “strange” men in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:55 PM
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The question was “you’re alone in the woods for 48 hrs in a clearing, close proximity, bear or man.” There was never an implication of having to fight anyone off. That’s why many women answer “bear because bears are scared of people and would walk away” which isn’t true in any case
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:52 PM
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The crux of the “bear women” argument is that men are dangerous when not restrained by society. So why would it matter that the guy was vetted and there were people around? Same guy would presumably be a killer if left alone with a woman? Let me change the question. A woman who is not you is left in the woods. She can either have a bear or a man vetted by your parents. Which should she pick if you needed her alive at all costs?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:50 PM
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You described them as hypermasculine and athletic beasts. Did a whole song and dance about how buff they are and how social they are because they play co-Ed sports lol. Guys who play coed sports are safer than random strangers? The FBI should hire you in their crime analytics department
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:47 PM
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No one brought up “private location” in this discussion besides you so I ignored it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:44 PM
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You might be uniquely paranoid but I think you’re responding in bad faith because you’re cornered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:43 PM
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Wow social media has really done a number on people’s mental health. You think women are men’s prey? You realize that predators kill their prey nonstop and prey have a flight response from predators? Ever took a coffee from a male barista? You think a gazelle could accept coffee from a lion barista?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:40 PM
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Adding negative qualifiers or malicious intent to this ambiguous scenario is being misandrist by definition. If the scenario was (to women) “you’re trapped in the woods with a bear or a woman,” would you assume the woman was trying to kill you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:36 PM
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1) you have to believe that women on average can assess men for their danger better than random chance. This is actually a high bar since violent/dangerous men are <2% of the population 2) a violent dangerous man is less dangerous than a bear. Bears are stronger and faster than men. If you were in the woods and both wanted to kill you, you have a chance of escaping the man; you have no chance of escaping the bear
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:34 PM
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Something like 80% of women have been on an online date before. They’re all suicidal? You should never pick a bear because bears are way more dangerous than people, and you can communicate with the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:32 PM
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“All the Chads I know will never hurt a fly, but these strangers in the woods who aren’t as jacked and muscular are definitely more prone to violence” This man vs bear debate is getting more and more absurd. They should definitely do “Chad vs bear” for the next TikTok hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:29 PM
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Objectifying language = mortal threat to women and children? Isn’t this hysteria? I’ve met tons of women who make sure of a man height or penis length, that’s objectification, does that disqualify them from being around men and children?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:27 PM
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Why take the time to know it if the cheeseburger is fatally dangerous? And how do you know it’s a perfect cheeseburger before getting to know it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:25 PM
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Every man is a stranger at some point? Or is being introduced enough to eliminate all risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:24 PM
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He’s explain several times that bear attacks are rare because people stay away from bears. In the hypothetical, you’re close to the bear for 48 hours. The bear would maul you with high probability
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:22 PM
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How much more dangerous? Because the odds of a random guy on the sidewalk raping/killing is close to nil, how much greater than nil does it become if you two are in the woods?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:18 PM
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“Whoever disagrees with me is autistic.” Anyway there’s the general issue with your post that every familiar bf/husband man was a stranger at some point. If men are more dangerous than wild animals, then you put yourself in mortal danger even getting to the point of familiarity. So either you were suicidal going on that first date, or you didn’t think he was that dangerous in the first place and “man vs bear” is memeing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:17 PM
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I mean can you provide any stats? And isn’t it cherry-picking for the purposes of this discussion to distinguish between gunshot death and other forms of homicide? Earlier you brought up men strangling women, so your point was always about murder and not gunfire?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:12 PM
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Women will go on a foodie date with a guy they aren't particularly interested in. Or will put a guy in the the friend zone for a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:01 AM
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it's not that men are "likely to shoot", but that women who are shot are overwhelmingly shot in Dv from a male partner. "1 in 3 female murder victims and 1 in 20 male murder victims are killed by intimate partners." from: https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2497/guns_and_dv_2022.pdf 33% is not "overwhelmingly"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:22 AM
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But men also are not likely to shoot their partner right? Discharging a firearm in domestic violence is rare?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:23 AM
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throwing a lamp This can definitely concussion someone if it hits their head. Also why can't women shoot guns in your scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:10 AM
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Because he’s pandering to the gender warriors. Women don’t universally think that any man talking to them thinks they’re owed sex. Ask any PPD woman about her boyfriend/husband, and she’ll say “oh he wanted to get to know me.” But so did the other guys who approached you and got rejected. It’s one thing to have empathy, it’s another to do the white knight schtick of “men we have to do better and stop thinking we’re owed sex.” Empty platitude and in either case not actionable. How many guys do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:04 AM
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What did he add to the conversation exactly? “Men talk to attractive women, and women can tell and don’t like it”? First part is captain obvious, second part is rule 1 and 2. He phrased it in a pandering way to the PPD ladies and you obliged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:50 PM
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Yes yes, men venting their frustration is so scary. Because women never get frustrated or angry in public, never go full Karen, never throw drinks in a guy’s face who approached them politely. Gimme a break dude. “Men shouldn’t express emotion because it’s scary to women,” how come women’s comfort rank higher than men’s emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:16 PM
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Simp cowtows to women and gets clapping gifs. Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:11 PM
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When enough people aren’t getting this specific job at this specific company, that’s called an employment crisis/recession, and the Federal Reserve kicks into high gear. It’s well-documented that relationship formation is cratering. Millions of guys aren’t getting a job at all, esp if they’re young. And just like in a recession, it’s not the fault of the companies, they’re just trying to cut costs or stay open. The system itself is screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:09 PM
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7B on the planet, you can find every opinion you want. But most people like people who like them, and most people prefer the path of least resistance to the path of most resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:59 PM
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It’s the way that men often consciously or subconsciously perceive women who are “easy” to get and their behavior that follows. This isn't a thing. If a guy meets a girl he's head over heels over, he's not going to lose interest because she is also into him. Also there are tons of marriages where the couple hooked up on the first date, or the woman showed interest in the man. Your comment is a myth perpetuated by women who don't want to approach. That's fine but don't say that men treat "easy" g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:06 PM
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Where do you live? Rampant princesses and girls looking for rich dudes to bail them out where I live (big coastal American city)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:09 PM
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I had to sign up for selective service at age 18, if there’s a draft I would be on the rolls. So it’s not that theoretical
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:08 PM
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The women I know, particularly my friend’s gfs, are all getting financed/sponsored by their boyfriends. One girl quit her job knowing her bf would pick up the slack. It’s sickening
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:07 PM
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Again I don’t know the theoretical definitions of feminism, so maybe I’ll ask this question: where are the forklift drivers who do want to go 50/50 with a man? Also I’ll do 50/50 household chores, I’ll even be a SAHD, I have found exactly 0 women willing to work while I am a SAHD. Where are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:06 PM
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Notice your game theory doesn’t account for a healthy first date, no pressure from anyone, where both parties split. Either he’s pressuring and pays for fancy stuff, or he’s not pressuring and pays for the coffee. This is exactly the point of my OP. How did we get to a place where women need to be compensated for their time? What happened to equal partnership? How come if I go on a date with a woman I find boring, she doesn’t pay for it because I would have had a better evening sitting at home i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:01 PM
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I’ve gone on about 20 dates in the past few years and of those, 1 woman split the bill and said she believed in equal relationships. The rest either said nothing and took the freebie, or demanded the freebie. “Get off the internet”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:50 PM
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You read my post and concluded that I hate feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:48 PM
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My mom was a lawyer, my dad worked in business, they both did childcare, and our closest family friends was a diplomat husband and professor wife, they both contributed as well. No SAHMs to be found
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:47 PM
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You are misunderstanding my post. I’m not saying women aren’t working. I’m saying there are so few women who work AND want to be equal contributors. Half the top comments are women saying “most women don’t use onlyfans, go outside,” this is missing the point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:45 PM
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Yes, I’ve gone on dates with women who expected princess treatment and I’ve been called cheap for splitting dates that were totally reasonable ($30-40 a person).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:43 PM
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My idea of gender roles is that both partners have jobs, both partners split expenses, and each partner take ownership of the others’ happiness as best they can. Apparently I’m cheap, dusty, a fuccboi, etc. In the current simp/princess meta, my views are becoming extreme. The Overton window has shifted. How far does it need to shift before it’s not a personal problem but a societal one? Let me give an extreme example, imagine a feminist living in Tehran in the 1960s. Revolution happens and relig…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 12:02 PM
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What do you mean by “not really lonely?” You don’t believe them when they say they’re lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:03 AM
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Rules are definitely not the same, since women have a bio clock and the dating norms/divorce laws are not symmetric. objectives are probably the same
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:02 AM
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I’m a fuccboi with dozens of ONS who struggles because I only want to date hot girls (7+). I have been alpha-widowed basically. I won’t settle because I have hooked up with attractive girls and cannot feel satisfied with average girls. Do you empathize with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:01 AM
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I’m a man and I can empathize with women, even those that don’t empathize with me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:59 AM
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As guys we are not used to unwanted attention. I’ve been abroad and gotten approached on an hourly basis by the locals because I was a tourist. Some were genuinely friendly, a good bunch were trying to sell me bullshit or were there to troll or take pics without my permission. Chad gets lots of attention from women but he’s rejecting fatties all the time too. I’d rather be Chad/Stacy but I get that it comes with its own set of issues
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:59 AM
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I insta-reject fat girls but I do feel some sadness for them and wish them the best as I swipe left
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:56 AM
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Do you empathize with the difficulty of their selection task though? I feel like it must be painful to select a hot exciting guy, envision a future together, and then get pumped and dumped. Kinda like how I feel bad for people who lose all their life savings on a memecoin, even if the decision-making is questionable. The anguish is still real.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:55 AM
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Take it one day at a time, one calorie deficit at a time. We’re all gonna make it brah
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:51 AM
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You’re going to be one year older a year from now, so you might as well be 100 lbs lighter too. Or you could do nothing and be a year older and the same weight. Dwelling of “why didn’t I take care of this earlier” is sapping mental energy from just taking care of it now
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:21 AM
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Women lie about their N-counts to not be shamed and lie about their interest level to get free stuff (foodie calls etc). Who cares? All is fair in love and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:12 PM
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I’m just citing the most recent data bro. If you’re 24 then you’ll know a lot of college couples because it was so recent , but eventually you won’t be so close to the end of school.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:11 PM
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I’m the same guy who replied to this response before. If you’re not seeing any women besides tattoo’d lesbians, your internal score on the apps has been torpedoed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:48 PM
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Dating apps are still the most common way people meet. I live in the most liberal county in America and there are conventionally attractive women on apps. For the love of god do NOT put “conservative” on your political affiliation, just put liberal or leave blank, you might be getting automatically filtered out based on politics. Unless you literally will not have sex with a liberal, it’s shooting yourself in the foot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:47 PM
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Dating apps and at fancy clubs/bars. My app profile shows my job (fancy title etc) and some photos of me on trips and wearing a nice tux (weddings etc) so many women assume I have $. Throughout my life I have always gotten fewer women than my less-rich but more-attractive male friends. Money helps but you should be able to pull without it if you’re tall fit handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:34 PM
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IRL approaching just has a low conversion rate, no way around it. I wouldn’t stress. Guys who do well approaching cold talk to women constantly (gym, coffee shop, grocery store, etc) and work volume. What dating app do you use? There are plenty of attractive women, they’re just at the top of the stack. You need to game the algorithm to be visible to them (and for them to be visible to you). Past couple years I’ve dated 2 models and two smart girls (masters degrees etc) from Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:32 PM
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Also OP the grass is greener. I’m a guy who can afford the instagram lifestyle, but it’s a pain in the ass to date girls like this. You can’t ever do simple dates or chill at home because they expect to be at the hottest restaurants/clubs through you/your $. Obviously I’d rather be rich than poor, but the best girls are the ones who don’t realize I’m rich when we start hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:12 PM
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American girls are shallow and date tall hot broke dudes all the time. Hop on Tinder and do cheap dates. Are you getting any traction right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:09 PM
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Yes she’s definitely fat, but I don’t see the issue. If the guy likes it or likes her, who cares? The trolls went too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 07:35 PM
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Second paragraph is brutal. It’s like when your stock portfolio is blowing up, at some point you sell and cash in your chips. You wish you could have sold at 2x the price, it felt so good seeing the green numbers and the big account balance, but it was fleeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:31 PM
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No protection for women in the form of marital assets, alimony, and child support = no upvotes for you from women. Two options: break up with a long term relationship and have nothing to show for it but your memories; break up with a long-term relationship and get a stream of payments with virtually no cap to the upside. You’d have to be an idiot to pick the former, ergo women want the wedding ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:05 PM
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Hang out with yuppies in LA/NYC. A woman who went to prep school in New England then private university (like Columbia which is in the news) would consider $200k a chump salary. A 22 year old college grad makes $200k his first year at a bank in NYC.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:58 PM
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