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If it seems to work for you, with getting follow up dates I'd say you do you. Why does it seem more proper to you though?
/r/seduction19/09/22 05:25 PM
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Lol, that just states that all bitches around you are crazy. And if that´s true, that says something about you and the people you surround yourself with. Attract more mature women instead of crazy girls.
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:04 PM
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I feel like if you look for those truths and find them that says more about the women you surround yourself with than the general population of women. The women around me communicate quite clearly and I seem to attract more of those that communicate clearly and in a mature way. Agreed there´s a spectrum and all that but there´s lots of things in between the spectrum with some preferences. Again pointing to my first point though, because it´s on a spectrum there´s a lot of different options to su…
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:03 PM
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Hello, it is me. The consciousness of all girls. Thank you for your question. We like to speak in riddles because deepdown we're a sphinix rebirthed in society as the female form. ​ Honestly though, what a stupid question. Sometimes girls do that, sometimes they don't. Some girls do that, some girls don't. They are human beings, just like men are. Stop trying to find a true statement that applies to all of them.
/r/seduction22/08/22 04:49 PM
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Indeed, text as little as needed. Now there's still some skills to be gained setting up a date and using text for that. Just analyse for yourself what works. Same as any other skill, practice it, make mistakes and learn from it.
/r/seduction21/08/22 10:36 PM
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This, what other answer did you expect? Find a dance style you like, practice it so you get a better feel for the rhytm and when you get better at dancing in 1 style it generally translates to dancing at a club aswell. Caring less about how you look is a general life thing, there's so much you can do about that. That topic is enough for almost it's own subreddit.
/r/seduction21/08/22 10:34 PM
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Stop seeing truths about the whole women population where there are none. Some women may judge you hard on having a degree. Some simply won´t and want a loving guy who has his emotional life figured out. Some even love guys who´ve had adversity in life since they´ve had that aswell and there´s a way to connect through that. Stop seeing and saying shit like market value. That is not of your concern. A squashed banana has terrible market value but it great if you want to make some banana bread. Do…
/r/seduction18/08/22 07:58 AM
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No worries. I used to go out and date quite a bit. Meeting girls from everywhere you stated+stuff like social circle, randomly in the streets, in public transit and what not. I didn't really go out of my way to meet women, I simply met them as I was going about my day.
/r/seduction17/08/22 10:05 AM
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You should start dating guys. Enjoy.
/r/seduction17/08/22 08:12 AM
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Confidence mostly comes from how much you value yourself. If strength is something you find of high value and you have that, that will add to your confidence. If you don´t have strength while you view it as important, it might substract from your confidence. If you don´t view strength as something of value regardless of your strength or other peoples strength it will not do anything for you. (Very black and white scenarios, alsmost never this black and white in real life gonne be more like a gra…
/r/seduction17/08/22 08:09 AM
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Aww yis, bonne chance.
/r/seduction17/08/22 08:05 AM
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Then there´s 2 options, accept that you´re on a path now and see how that´s fucking great and everybody wants to date a dude with potential. Or ofcourse say that you´re just not attractive enough yet. Wait till you´ve finally made it and then find a new flaw with yourself why you´re not fuckable for the average girl. Honestly mate, just go for it. Worse you can get is an "eww no" from somebody you don't even know yet and shouldn't care about. Best you can get is great sex. Atleast you'll get exp…
/r/seduction16/08/22 09:47 PM
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Biggest shift is: Stop seeing dating as something where validation happen. See it as something where you have fun and enjoy yourself. Screw that if it scares away some girls. I've said the most stupid shit I thought was funny which didn't fly with girls and they instantly disliked me. Cool, I thought it was funny and I moved on. This also helps you attract the girls that are compatible with you in the long run instead of girls you attract because of your persona.
/r/seduction16/08/22 06:43 PM
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It won´t be the magic pill you hope it is. You´ll just be a dude who has gone to an escort who´s still shy and has problems approaching. Instead of trying to find a quick fix, find a small minor increasement and work on that. Just say Hi or ask the time from a random stranger. Start microscopical small if you need to and work your way from that.
/r/seduction16/08/22 06:41 PM
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Never scripted shit. Whatever vibes at the moment.
/r/seduction16/08/22 06:38 PM
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The best way is to not be a person that chases. There is not a magic bullet that suddenly flips it. It's about your mindset and where you're coming from.
/r/seduction16/08/22 05:48 PM
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*for males wanting to date superficial girls
/r/seduction16/08/22 05:46 PM
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There´s another side to this coin. Would you like a girl as you´ve said who lies all the time? Ofcourse not, unless maybe you do which just means you've got no self worth. Being truthfull and owning it is cool, ofcourse learn to storytell and make whatever you do more awesome. I sat at home all month vs. I took time for myself to rethink my values and steer my life towards a more positive direction. Both mean you pretty much sat home all day only what you communicate with it is way different.
/r/seduction16/08/22 05:45 PM
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Thank you creamyturtle for speaking as the consciousness of all girls. Some do, some don´t. Some suck so hard themselves they don´t even know you suck at it aswell.
/r/seduction16/08/22 05:35 PM
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Being a bit more philosophical. You're never gonna be second best. You're always gonna be best for whatever relationship develops between you 2. She might pick a different man for a romantic relationshi[. That doesn't mean you're second best, that means you and her are not at the same level romantic wise and that is fine too. There's more girls out there, talk to more and find 1 where you both agree that the other person is the best option.
/r/seduction16/08/22 04:33 PM
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There's having about a gist of the numbers and actually keeping track of all that. If you want to improve take it day by day. See what went well, and what to improve. Even in good conversations there's a fat chance you've screwed things up. I've went to same day lays and in retrospect the girl just wanted to fuck me cause she taught it'd be fun. My social skills where shit that night but she wanted it. Still learned from that because I could've gotten that lay faster and jumped into more windows…
/r/seduction16/08/22 04:10 PM
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All your plans of actions seem rubbish. Image if you were deciding between 2 girls to date, wouldn´t you want to make a proper decision and get to know them better aswell? Also, almost every girl you're interested in has several men interested in her. Gonna make it real hard on yourself if that's a dealbreaker for getting to know someone better. So you try to drag others down so you look better. Mate, you just want her to settle for whatever you are makes you unworthy of any love if you do that.…
/r/seduction16/08/22 04:04 PM
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Only a thief thinks that everybody steals. Maybe it´s just you my man.
/r/seduction16/08/22 03:59 PM
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Lol, nah. Some men like to date a girl who can cook and wants to stay at home. Some men want to date a career women. So there´s already different values there. Some men love how Emma Watson looks, and some simply don´t. Simple examples of how value and beauty can be quite subjective for men, this ofcourse also works the other way around.
/r/seduction16/08/22 03:58 PM
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Awesome, that sounds good my man! I get where you come from with the manipulating. Relationships, dates and sex get so much better though when you're handling shit like a man.
/r/seduction15/08/22 09:03 PM
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Lol the featured album sounds pathetic mate, you're saying you still need that validation in order to feel good. I agree with the first person in this thread, focus on developing your mindset. If you've got a proper mindset on how to deal with rejections they will stop bothering you that much. Love yourself and all that jazz, be like a kid who's playing outside. Like the really young ones, they don't give a shit if they get rejected by a playing comrade, they just want to have fun. Have fun my f…
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:53 PM
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Can't believe such a weird ass question got so many responses. You ask a question about the general population of women and how that would specifically apply to you. There are tons of different kinds of girls who might like men with your profile. There might be a goth girl who loves dudes like you. And there might be a goth girl who may not. There might be a shy girl who loves that you're in a bind. And there might be a shy girl who hates your kind of humour. There is no answer to your question,…
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:48 PM
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Find a career you love, love yourself, love the people you're around, enjoy your life. Those tend to help. It's a lot more about personal development than just picking up girls. Now approaching girls a ton and getting used to it does help if you've got the proper mental coping skills. For some people getting rejected just wears them down. You need a solid base to be able to deal with the rejections. Being able to apply certain Acceptance and Commitment Therapy principles to yourself might also h…
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:43 PM
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Value is just like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder. The eco friendly girl might not like the cool car. The shy anxious girl might not like the extreme sports. The vagabond might not like the living room. What kind of girls are you trying to attract? Act accordingly, in behaviour and with the pics that you're probably gone use on Tinder.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:39 PM
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Best stuff, follow an improv course. Get those creative funny juices flowing for those not naturally joking people.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:36 PM
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Sounds like you read too much Mystery Method. Just go with the flow, if it's important she'll bring him up eventually.
/r/seduction15/08/22 08:35 PM
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Could be she's afraid to hurt your feelings, could be she doesn't know herself, could be lots of different other reasons. Just try to experiment with what you do, when you do it, and don't forget. Kissing tends to be a full body movement, stroke her hair and what not. See what she does react posivitely to. Or ofcourse she really isn't into because of reasons. That's also okay and something to keep in the back of your mind. (Example that I've had was a girl that told me after a long time that she…
/r/seduction15/08/22 07:37 PM
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There are so many factors that you depend on for this to work. Stuff like, how invested is the girl into you? What is your personality like? What kind of girl is she? Where are you? What is the general vibe? At some points in a conversation you can better answer with a joke, at some points indeed you can talk about it more serious. Sometimes being serious actually lowers your value because it shows you have poor social understanding. The idea indeed is to always be of value no matter what the su…
/r/seduction15/08/22 07:34 PM
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Honestly, best pointers you can get is if you ask a girl. Might be more than a bit awkward to ask, but they've tasted your tongue so they'll be best at pointing out what you could do better. Do keep in mind that not all girls like kissing the same way aswell and just experiment a bit. You can gauge reactions aswell when you do something.
/r/seduction15/08/22 05:56 PM
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No, you should approach guys. Enjoy.
/r/seduction15/08/22 05:54 PM
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Honestly, a first proper step would be to get of Reddit/this subReddit. Any post you read or post here is generally part overthinking. Besides that, I don't know enough about your current situation and can't peak into your mind so don't have a clear cut answer for that.
/r/seduction24/07/22 10:37 AM
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The fact that you made the effort to type this up is proof you´re overthinking this.
/r/seduction22/07/22 02:58 PM
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Try going for it yourself. Any advice you follow here that might land you a date will just mean you´re gonna mess it up in the long run since you´ve got no clue how to take ownership yourself. Learn to deal with girls by yourself mate.
/r/seduction22/07/22 09:53 AM
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Hello this is the hivemind of all girls younger than 20 all across the world. Thank you for asking if we're all the same, no we do not like it, goodbye. https://www.reddit.com/r/ExtraFabulousComics/comments/a1swsk/girls/
/r/seduction20/07/22 09:18 PM
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No, you should never try. Just stay in your save cocoon and find support for your thoughts on Reddit. Yes that's what you should do. Just continue like this, maybe make a few hate posts, maybe make a few posts about almost doing something. Then go back to doing nothing and in 50 years you can look back at this time of your life and think "Man my life would be so different if I took any action."
/r/seduction20/07/22 09:29 AM
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If you struggle with girls I'd say your results will be the same. Then again, if you struggle with girls. Try a lot and get better, traveling is an excellent moment for that. Please do approach irl, if you do that a lot you'll get a better feel for what works and that will also improve your Tinder game. My advice honestly would be to just delete datingapps when traveling and go irl, even if you struggle your chances will still go up drastically if you just approach. In general eople on vacation …
/r/seduction20/07/22 09:05 AM
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If you want to improve your seductions all that will help is go out and reflect on your actions. Online programs generally don't do much good.
/r/seduction20/07/22 08:58 AM
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Okay lets say all this is true. How does this help you? Or does this just put you more into an actionless victim mode who hates women and uses stuff like this as an excuse to be lonely?
/r/seduction20/07/22 08:57 AM
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Lol nah, that's just you projecting. Quality of girls for example also means their personality and your subjective match with the girl. Your self is shining true my man.
/r/seduction19/07/22 10:25 AM
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Mate, besides the apps. Talking to girls ups the ammount of dates quite well. Approach them on the street, in a store or go out. You have to go out of your way if you truly want to get dates and not just use apps. (I found it also increases the quality of the girls you meet and the dates you have.)
/r/seduction16/05/22 07:58 PM
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This, less texting is generally better. If you do text, try to keep it short and interesting. Storytelling workshops and books helped me with that.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:42 PM
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Why would you do that? You don't live in a movie.
/r/seduction31/07/21 07:22 AM
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Going out.
/r/seduction30/07/21 10:41 AM
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There is a lot of good advice and a lot of terrible advice on here. Filter it for yourself. A way to filter it is to simply try the advice for yourself and see if it works. If it doesn't, you've learned. If it does, cool continue growing. The main advice that you should always take to heart is to take action.
/r/seduction27/07/21 07:53 PM
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Define your goals, define steps towards those goals and take action. That is all there is, it's simple but not easy.
/r/seduction27/07/21 03:16 PM
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What do you want to read about? Just PUA? I can recommend you quite a lot of books but it's better to know what you want to read about.
/r/seduction27/07/21 01:53 PM
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This, stop caring and do it anyways. If you start approaching its generally a phase everybody goes through.
/r/seduction27/07/21 10:05 AM
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Man I drank chocolate milk for a long time going out, people noticed and if you can handle the shit tests you're golden.
/r/seduction27/07/21 10:04 AM
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With an attitude like that you're def not attractive.
/r/seduction27/07/21 10:03 AM
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What parts about your personality do you like? Focus on that, knowing yourself, accepting who you are and loving yourself breads confidence that's not as fragile as confidence based on looks alone.
/r/seduction15/07/21 05:10 PM
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When she doesn't have a pulse.
/r/seduction13/07/21 03:00 PM
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Lol guys need a reason to eat her out?
/r/seduction13/07/21 12:07 PM
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I feel this from the more business and life coaching ventures. I teach people to coach and generally how to work quicker towards a solution. Most of the people simply reply with: "but that's bad for revenue" it's mostly just marketing and trying to get the suckers to keep on paying you for most coaches outside pua, so I can only envision how bad it is within pua which seems to prey on people even more.
/r/seduction13/07/21 09:01 AM
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Man we don't know what you do that gets you there, too many unknown factors to us. But you're sure as hell are not gonna get out there, you gotta learn how to avoid it though. Ask friends or even the girls that friendzoned you what happened.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:44 AM
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Good that's the shit you need to do, now continue to do this till it feels comfortable and work your way up from there.
/r/seduction13/07/21 06:42 AM
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You should ask a permaban for yourself, you're so repetitive. Stop the posts and go into the world, answer your own questions by building experience.
/r/seduction13/07/21 05:53 AM
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Nah you caught yourself.
/r/seduction11/07/21 07:02 PM
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Props for taking action my man! Continue to grow!
/r/seduction11/07/21 06:52 PM
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We talked about this. Make your steps actionable, and take action. Stop mentally masturbating by continuing to post threads like this on this subreddit.
/r/seduction11/07/21 06:48 PM
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Good stuff, make it a goal for yourself to have x amount of social interactions or situations in your week so you can progressively work on your improvement :)
/r/seduction11/07/21 06:35 PM
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If you can fix it all, no clue. But its never too late to improve yourself, I started at 22 and am now living a marvelous live.
/r/seduction11/07/21 06:27 PM
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You can practice your social skills by.. drum roll... practicing. Put yourself in social situations, go to coffee shops and talk to people. On the street. Meet ups. Social hobbies. Sports. So much.
/r/seduction11/07/21 06:20 PM
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#broscience #bruh Don't believe the hype, read actual scientific papers over this stuff.
/r/seduction11/07/21 05:31 PM
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Depends on what that everything is my man, you might have some blindspots that you're not aware of.
/r/seduction11/07/21 05:29 PM
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For me when something similar to that happened what changed is that I took a different view on game. Just cause a woman looks attractive didn´t mean she was still attractive to me, she has to have so much more than just looks. If I can do my nerdy convo´s with an attractive woman, now that´s fun. When picking up chicks felt like working for it I toned down on it (except for in clubs for the heck of it).
/r/seduction11/07/21 05:25 PM
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Guess I'm lucky with a few of my friends then. Even though I know some naturals who can be great people to talk with about seduction. Gotta just figure out what they're really saying.
/r/seduction11/07/21 04:44 PM
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I view every advice as valuable truth be told. Shitty advice is advice I can go against and for that reason it makes it valuable. Fair about the acting on advice, I notice the same thing in business with people elliciting feedback and people trying to not get hurt.
/r/seduction11/07/21 04:34 PM
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Fair, some are. But not all your friends right?
/r/seduction11/07/21 04:33 PM
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Less experience fair. But man if it's embarassing to talk about stuff with your friends or if they view you as competition that sounds like some very toxic friendships. Friends are supposed to support you, if they don't why do you even have them as friends?
/r/seduction11/07/21 04:32 PM
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This, this creates so much fun and eventually when you've been rejected left and right it actually gets harder and harder to get rejected.
/r/seduction11/07/21 02:19 PM
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You know a conversation can be just fun and you can socialize for the heck of it? You don't immediatly have to know what she wants dating wise. Perhaps try to have some more fun? Coincidentally that attracts more fun girls and makes seduction actually a game you want to play yourself, instead of a new puzzle that you need to solve. Besides some other stuff I strongly dissagree with in this post, that really is the main 1.
/r/seduction11/07/21 02:17 PM
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Nice write up, I agree with most of it except the childhood part and the taking rejection personally. I don't feel like childhood plays that much of a role, but that is just my personal feeling with seduction. With the not taking rejection personal. Sometimes it might be a good thing to take it personal, as sometimes it simply is. Sometimes you are a creeper. Main point of it is only take it personal if you can handle it and can then grow from that experience. If you take it personally as an ins…
/r/seduction11/07/21 02:07 PM
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Well, become a better person so you attract higher quality women. Also stop fucking fatties if you're not into them.
/r/seduction11/07/21 02:04 PM
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I honestly have no clue, not familiar with either of their content. Look at reviews outside of their own sites which seem realistic might also help you decide.
/r/seduction10/07/21 11:06 PM
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See if you can take an introduction lesson instead of joining immediately. See how you vibe, if you like it there join. If you don't go to the next. You don't have to immediately fully commit, just test the different waters.
/r/seduction10/07/21 06:38 PM
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I coach people for my profession, non pick-up related. So some advice from that corner. See if you can have a meeting call or whatever with them, or atleast email with them, see how you vibe and what vibes they give you. A coach can coach you best when there's rapport and when you feel you can trust the coach. So whatever people on here say is meh, do your own research and go with who feels good. On that note, maybe also look beyond the hyped marketing guys. There might be other people who are a…
/r/seduction10/07/21 06:33 PM
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Yes, don't be yourself and use tricks so you put women even more in an ivory tower. Approach women but be yourself. This might score you a short term date but can fuck you up in the long run. Then again if you're desperate go for it, any action is better than no action.
/r/seduction10/07/21 03:19 PM
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There is a massive difference between being indiffirent and hard to get and not chasing though. You can still talk and flirt with girls and not be chasing. Lots of this discussion comes down to semantics. But exactly what you said, self-respect is a massive key here.
/r/seduction10/07/21 12:24 PM
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Yeah too often, looked a bit at your posts. Honestly mate you need to get out there. Dating wise and improving yourself wise. For getting girls, what´s the next minor step you can take, do that. YOU NEED TO DO! Besides that, work on yourself. There might be some confidence issues, see what minor steps you can take to improve that. Maybe take some self defense classes. Maybe dance classes. Maybe find whatever aspect of your life is lacking the most according to you and improve that. Make a goal f…
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:26 AM
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Well 2 things on that, first I dissagree on that not being very physically attractive has to lead to long periods of almost nothing. I´m not the guy in general any girl would pick from a line up. Yet when I wanted to I always had girls around me. Second I liked having all the girls around me, I have a friend who didn´t. He simply was okay with having almost nothing, and that´s not a bad thing if it´s completely of your choosing. He´s dating very rarely, but when he does, it´s a girl that he´s re…
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:20 AM
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It means you're overthinking.
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:07 AM
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Lol escorts are a big nono. Next time you're on a date, still go for that kiss. Compliment her on how she looks or whatever. Define what flirting is for you, break that mental barrier and go for it. You need to get rejected or atleast put yourself in a position where you can get rejected rather than being the bland guy.
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:06 AM
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Just know it's also okay if some days you don't. Be nice to yourself and if some days you don't do much that's okay. You're not a robot, just try to go for it most of the days and celebrate it when it works.
/r/seduction10/07/21 07:11 AM
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What is the least amount of effort or change you can start with? Start with that and build on it. Just take it 1 step a day and eventually you'll have walked a mile. If you don't know what your first minor step is. Sitting down and figuring that out is your first minor step. Make it all work for you so it compounds in the long run. Remember to focus on 1 thing aswell. Don't try to change everything at the same time, that will swarm you and ger you back in your homeostasis real quick.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:30 PM
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I feel like that's the main advice here that should always be followed. Go out and do it. Enjoy it my man and the best to you.
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:18 PM
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What can you change for yourself so it doesn't feel like that anymore? Do you need to change your thoughts, your behavior, both or something else?
/r/seduction09/07/21 10:15 PM
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Do you want to make dating an option again for you? That's the main question isn't it? If you want to, find ways to make it work. Maybe unconventional ways, or just sit there and say it ain't for you. Whatever you choose, make sure you choose it with conviction instead of blaming your bad cards for the fact that you're losing every hand in poker.
/r/seduction09/07/21 09:23 PM
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Or you know, stop attaching your confidence to your looks. Plenty of ugly people with proper confidence. Build your confidence on your personality and skills rather than your looks which will only deteriorate over time anyway. And if you have no confidence because of shitty personality and skills, work on that.
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:17 AM
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Very true, can't really help where I come from though now can I? Eventually I did get a healthier mindset. By acting upon it and developing myself not only my skills, but also the way I view the world changed.
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:15 AM
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Either my psych was wrong or something else happened which I'm not sure what that would be. All of my early days friends I've made through mutual hobbies like football which just put us together so that atleast makes sense. My later day friends came to me in a much different way.
/r/seduction07/07/21 02:42 PM
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There's def fast forward of 4 years between the psych and the bar in there. :) besides that the rest happened over time of 10 years.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:05 AM
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Your food for thought tastes like McDonald's to me though. ;) Don't serve wet fries to a 4* chef. If you're a bit more aware you've noticed I responded to the content of your post about having found a solid gf, 1 I will probably grow old with. We very much differ in our views of the world though I assume based on these short text interactions. You do you, and I do me and we both live our lifes the way we want to and be happy while doing that. Your world view might be a good 1 for you, but its no…
/r/seduction05/07/21 09:49 PM
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Love your take on this. Finding a "worthy" woman can be quite a process. One that I indulged in quite fully. Maybe all those 100s of dates simply weren't to my liking and my current gf is. But I am curious on what else I should focus on according to you. Also I'm very curious what makes you think that simple trial and error dating is a bad thing. I meet a woman, I don't see her as gf potential, I remain friends usually and I find a new woman to date. But ofcourse you can always settle down with …
/r/seduction05/07/21 10:18 AM
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Lol, why would 100s of first dates be a bad thing?
/r/seduction04/07/21 07:14 PM
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Or just say something related to what he's posting? A random question shows almost no social antenna.
/r/seduction02/07/21 08:27 AM
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There are lots and in general nobody has any idea what works. Just set goals for yourself and go for it. Figure out your own next steps by reflecting upon yourself and talking with like minded people about it.
/r/seduction01/07/21 08:30 PM
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Netherlands, so I think 90% of my dates were taller than me. Don't believe the lie that height is everything, for some girls it might be. But honestly if that's what they judge somebody with they must be quite superficial boring people.
/r/seduction28/06/21 01:37 PM
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1.65m tall, caucasian, 28 years old, fit not muscular. What else do you want to know? :)
/r/seduction28/06/21 01:13 PM
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I've dated only 1 asian girl I think, they don't tend to be my cup of tea. So I can give no advice on them besides speculation.
/r/seduction28/06/21 11:55 AM
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Really depends on your own wallet and what kinda girl you want to attract. If you want a gold digger then yes this is good. If you want a normal girl, this tends to be way too much I my opinion.
/r/seduction28/06/21 06:12 AM
1

I've never asked, always went for it when I felt like I could.
/r/seduction28/06/21 06:11 AM
1

Insta date or date later all depend on circumstance, her and mine. Instadate if it fits into both our times at that moment. I do always ask the number so I have it and can start the convo.
/r/seduction25/06/21 04:35 PM
2

Might be a different preference here but if the connection is there I tend to go for a kiss on the first date. Is there a reason why you don't?
/r/seduction25/06/21 11:51 AM
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Some of the advice here is applicable to both genders, you just have to sift through a lot of cow dung before you can find the gold nuggets. That's the same for guys though as quite some advice on this subreddit is terrible for them aswell.
/r/seduction25/06/21 07:31 AM
1

I have no set opening line. It's usually observational and tailored to the situation when I meet someone. If there is no situation I try to make it a personal compliment (not just: "you look cute" but: "you look cute in that dress"). And I hit on quite some people, never in a coffee shop, cause I quite frankly have a strong distaste for them. But in supermarkets or stores, yeah definetly.
/r/seduction24/06/21 09:29 PM
1

You gotta specify your question for a proper answer. I can write an essay in that and perhaps still not give the answer to the question you're really asking. What do you want to know?
/r/seduction24/06/21 07:36 PM
2

Don't know any guys that look the way you look as I'm a bit detached from the celebrity part of society. But literally just Google your specs?
/r/seduction24/06/21 01:30 PM
1

Look at people (models/celebrities) that have a similar build to you and decide who has a proper dress style so that you want to look like him.
/r/seduction24/06/21 11:40 AM
1

Day Game, night game, social circle, hobbies, basically just being out there.
/r/seduction24/06/21 07:20 AM
3

I'm from Netherland. And yeah guess culture plays a big role aswell. I had a convo with a guy from somewhere else who stated to not drink (too much) alcohol because of potential rape charges, which I think doesn't really factor in that much here. To continue on that thread, I do believe culture can play a decent role in the kind of dates you go on.
/r/seduction23/06/21 07:12 AM
2

Yeah for some girls that's a nice option. However not all girls are comfortable doing a first date at a guys house. I do agree it's a nice date, but not always suitable.
/r/seduction22/06/21 09:23 PM
1

Nah now you're making assumptions with limited information. Just because I've been on hundreds of first dates doesn't mean I haven't had relationships, aka haven't played a full game, for that matter I'm currently in one. And for that matter the metaphor still stands.
/r/seduction22/06/21 11:29 AM
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Dating for me was mostly just an addition to how I led my normal life. I had dance lessons for example, and a couple times after that I had a date with somebody from the classes. But I do agree. When I started out and I had dating as a solid hobby that was a bit weird but it also helped me figure out how to become more social. Back then I used to be a bit more of a black and white thinker and just went full throttle.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:46 AM
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Maked sure I had a lot of people in my life and continuously met new people. Took different classes like dancing and slacklining for example. Besides that chatting with random strangers helped. And quite frankly, just going for it. At some point my rejection fear pretty much shut down and that's when I got quite some dates.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:44 AM
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I get what you mean, most of it does tend to just flow when you get more experience. The fun dates I do plan I tend to oversell and be hyper enthusiastic about, add to that that I can quite well create a personal bubble and make the activity date not focused on the activity but more so on us makes it way more solid. The activity is just something for the background.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:31 AM
2

I'm curious what those doubts are :)
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:29 AM
2

She can ask you: "What are your hobbies?" Instead of naming your hobbies you can take the question as: "tell a cool story about a hobby of yours" and tell a fun story instead of naming some stuff. If she ask you: "what do you do for work?" You can tell her about your future plans and hopes and dreams.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:29 AM
3

Because if you want to learn to play football you look at someone who has done it for years and is good at it. Maybe you just wanna learn football for fun and never intend to go pro, still the pro player will def be able to give you some tips. Same here. To add on that, my goals changed over the years, I started out as a serial dater to go on a more serious note and am now in a happy long term relationship.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:27 AM
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Yeah they will be, but there's also a bigger chance that they won't go on a second date after that. Atleast, that's my personal experience. After switching my last moment kissing to earlier kissing my second date rate went up.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:25 AM
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You can talk about you and a friend fell of the balcony and tell her the story and perhaps she has something to add to that or a new story to tell you. Let her get to know you by stories. Also regarding the no asking questions, is generally a good rule until you get more serious and actually go into relationship territory. But at the start people tend to ask questions in a certain way which just kills the vibe. Don't really have transcripts but I talk about fun stuff I've done, she adds to that …
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:24 AM
3

I'm late 20's, started dating mid twenties. Was a social shut in before that though. And like another poster mention I live in a city of 800k+ population which helps.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:20 AM
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I guess it also depends where you're from, I'm from a part of Europe where that really isn't too big of an issue. But I do agree to make sure that you don't sleep with her if she's too drunk and it's a first time you 2 have sex and it wasn't already clear from the start that you were gonna have sex. Simply because she might regret it and that's still a dick move.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:19 AM
3

Tinder, parties and cold approach (day and night game)
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:16 AM
4

Solid addition, thanks man!
/r/seduction21/06/21 07:44 PM
1

Partially yes.
/r/seduction21/06/21 07:43 PM
2

It can be, It helps your first dates be more successful. Ofcourse always stay authentic to your true self and that will help you find love in the long run. Ofcourse not always on the first date but it helps your first dates.
/r/seduction21/06/21 07:38 PM
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Nah disagree, fun activities are worth it if you'd do them anyways. Like playing pool or going to the arcade, I'd do that anyways with friends. So why not with a date? I do agree though that spending lots of money on a date as a prerequisite for dating her is a terrible idea.
/r/seduction21/06/21 06:21 PM
3

Most people do work or have school during the day so lunch isn't always an option. Also very true, you don't want to carefully plan out your date. I do like to dive more deeply into the other person for a first date. And for same day lays lunches tended to be terrible. For me the parties worked tons, guess it depends on your personality and the kind of girls you're attracting.
/r/seduction21/06/21 05:35 PM
1

Yeah def, the skill of dating and just being comfortable in my own skin grew more and more which also increased my success of getting second dates.
/r/seduction21/06/21 05:30 PM
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Fair I get what you mean with point 5 being contradictory. I feel like for bits and pieces there's stuff to take away from several points depending on your goal. What I said def isn't gospel and shouldn't be treated as such. I'm also gonna guess that having been married you're a bit older and that tends to make dating a bit diff then when you where younger. My dating experience comes from my early to end twenties so there might be some discrepancie in that. Doesn't mean nothing suddenly is usefu…
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:20 PM
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Then you're probably on the right path. :)
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:16 PM
4

Phew, that's a whole post on its own. The easiest thing I can give you is to practice telling stories and becoming better at it.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:16 PM
5

Exactly!
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:15 PM
2

Only if you really read the situation wrong and if you make it awkward. I've been turned off before because I went to quick for a kiss. Then about an hour later or so I went again and it was a full make out session.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:14 PM
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True, I feel like that's a general tip that should always be applied. Before, during and after the first date periods.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:13 PM
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Agreed with hibbedy about the tips. Regarding the other questions, there was a time when I did feel like that. That was mostly because I felt like the burden to make the date succeed was on my. Paradoxically that ofcourse often went south. I feel like it's evenly balanced. Not always 50-50 but somewhere around that continually rebalancing back and forth around the 50-50.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:12 PM
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Nah, if she is that probably means she really wants the date to succeed. So from there on get her comfortable and see how it goes.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:09 PM
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You should be busy with your life, but that doesn't mean you can't send a text. Don't respond on every whim but you know normal people sometimes have their phone with them and can text something every once in a while.
/r/seduction21/06/21 04:08 PM
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A big dick can def help pleasure a woman better yes. However, fretting about it does you no good as you can't improve your dick size. So knowing that, focus on what is in your circle of influence and work with what you have. If you have a strong distaste for parts of yourself which you're unable to change you're gonna have a pretty miserable life.
/r/seduction21/06/21 09:51 AM
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Hahahahahahaha, no. Do this when you're both very clingy yes. Else just text her if you got something fun to share or say or if you're gonna meet up again. Besides that, don't just always initiate. See what happens when you don't. If she doesn't fair chance you were wasting your time anyways. If she does, it's fair game and you can take it from there.
/r/seduction20/06/21 10:57 PM
2

Good, then go do it. Always do what you're afraid of doing. Except sticking your penis in a blender, never do that.
/r/seduction20/06/21 10:28 PM
6

Approach woman.
/r/seduction20/06/21 10:20 PM
1

Quick suggestion, keep them warm. Actually engage them in between the date setup and the date itself. They'll lose interest rather quickly if you don't invest in them in the meantime.
/r/seduction20/06/21 09:41 PM
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It's not about the size of the sword but the skill of the swordsman. A good ninja can kill with a butter knife. (Also please work on your insecurities, cause in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean shit)
/r/seduction20/06/21 09:37 PM
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Ways to put yourself out there: 1. Get hobbies where you socialize. 2. Talk to strangers, male and female alike. 3. Go to parties/meet ups. These can be alcohol parties or just book clubs, whatever. Just meet new people. 4. Develop a style of appearance that fits your personality. To start with this you can look at people who you want to look like and copy bits and pieces of them. Regarding the fact that there's someone better out there is such a defective mindset. There will always be people be…
/r/seduction20/06/21 01:08 PM
1

Let's get this reply a bit more depth. What does being more confident mean. And what do girls love about it? If you give advice atleast make it something tangible ;)
/r/seduction20/06/21 01:01 PM
1

Looks don't matter that much. From what I read you seem to emphasize on them which instantly makes it a bigger thing for you and girls. I myself am not a good looking gent. He'll I've head a girl tell me after sex that she normally doesn't sleep with guys "looking like you". Get out there, socialize, figure out the skill of how that works and from there on you can get dates. Seduction and dates is more than just getting a date, besides being professionally well off for decent. I did some home sc…
/r/seduction20/06/21 12:59 PM
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Didn't really rely on dating apps but did use them as a substitute. I did both. Dating apps where easier for quick lays, in person approaching was better for actually building a solid foundation. Most of my fb's/fwb's came from in person approaching, so in person approach seemed to be a more durable way of approaching.
/r/seduction20/06/21 11:13 AM
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Combine this with the advice you get from keyboard warriors vs people who have gone out and it gets harder to figure out what to do. Main thing is, test every bit of theory into practice yourself and see what works for you.
/r/seduction19/06/21 03:36 PM
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Yeah and I def disagree with that. It can sometimes be a way to go but it's def not "the way" if you pull it off proper you don't have to be afraid of her being unaware or unwanted of sex
/r/seduction19/06/21 11:43 AM
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Can be an okay rule. But it also def can be broken. Plenty of girls want sex aswell and are cool with it, if you're cool with it and don't make a big deal out of it.
/r/seduction19/06/21 10:59 AM
2

Usually after that comes some longer conversations. Gradually building up to a full flirt situation and insta dates. Mark Manson's fearless dating program also goes into this. Just gradually make it more.
/r/seduction19/06/21 09:56 AM
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Sometimes it are indeed the boring ones complaining. Sometimes they legit have a fun life and want somebody else who has that aswell so you can keep on inspiring and motivating eachother. Not wanting a boring guy is a very good thing to look out for though. It's not like you would want to date a boring girl right? Well that all depends on your definition of a good guy. I've seen messages that were send or guys trying to approach them in the streets and it quite frankly hurts to see it sometimes.…
/r/seduction18/06/21 10:39 PM
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When I was a serial dater that ended with some flakes I tended to take books in my backpack, so if she was late or didn't show up I was reading which is quite a nice hobby of mine. Or ofcourse you pick a date place with more people and you start chatting with random strangers instead of just sitting there.
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:53 PM
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Yeah here's some correction. There's also quite some girls that are more driven and see that they can't get on in life after a certain age on looks alone and they act accordingly at a younger age. Met and dated quite some of them, these also tend to be the girls who are quite picky about who they date. If you aren't adding decent value and fun to her life while also growing yourself you're not even gonna register on her radar. And that's what some guys might see as entitled, they are very picky …
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:50 PM
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Go for small victories if it's your first time. Just asking a good looking stranger the time, directions or just wishing them a pleasant day can be a good start. You don't have to immediately get numbers or dates. Baby steps my friend.
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:42 PM
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Go follow Mark Manson's fearless dating program, closest I've found so far to what you want/need I think. Besides that, you seriously just need to go out and see if you can get romantic or sexual with a girl. Stop talking and try to get after it.
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:55 AM
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The thing is, all the theory on this is learned when you approach. You can learn about kicking a football, but when you do it you learn the actual microbehaviors that aren't in a book. Same with approaching, go out, do it and that's when you get unstuck. Approach is in it's core just that, walking up to somebody and saying/doing something. There's millions of ways to approach. You seem to try it in a way of distilling it in a set scheme going from A to B to C, if you're into that you can always …
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:55 AM
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You can work best without canned things. You can become unforgettable by become a proper flirt, feeling like the guy is the only 1 you flirt with, while being a big flirt with everybody. Make him feel special by you. There are so many ways to do that, to do that you gotta work out what fits your personality.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:51 AM
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The signs mean something, but when you start it tends to put you in homeostatis. It's simply not beneficial to look for the signs unless you've already got a decent amount of game. No, you're not supposed to say that. I'm supposed to say that, you're supposed to say something that fits you. What you say and when you say it differs on different women and different settings. You need to build your social antenna. Try stuff out, fail, learn, get better. There is no set way that works. I mean a lot …
/r/seduction18/06/21 07:56 AM
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I'm well aware, I do think it fits quite well as a metaphor here. Doesn't really matter who said it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:37 PM
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People also say the earth is flat, vaccines are bad for you and lizard people rule the world. You can research that. And you can research those statements, go out in the world and so some qualitative field research, figure out which of these 2 statements is false and which is true instead of being a keyboard warrior stating that your love life has been demolished. Take an active role.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:12 PM
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Well, don't look for signs, that makes you microcalibarate and think too much which tends to mess you up. Guys that tell you to look for signs are usually not seduction guys, they tend to be the guys that are transforming into social robots. What you're supposed to say is all up to you. You def say it to her though, not to other people. What you say depends on who you are. I have an upfront personality so I can go with the "hey I like you, let's see where this is going." Main point is that you e…
/r/seduction17/06/21 08:56 PM
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Then do it more till it doesn't anymore. That's how you eventually get results. You probably cling to the outcome of the conversation which makes you needy (major assumptions here, but that tends to be the problem with people with this kind of problem). Aka let go of the outcome and stop fearing the rejection.
/r/seduction17/06/21 08:50 PM
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One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. Same goes with rejection, pump those numbers till it doesn't matter. For that matter, try and get rejected can be a fun game to play to build that mental callous.
/r/seduction17/06/21 08:44 PM
2

This, also the fact you went out is a first step. Even though you didn't approach anyone its probably more than you did years before. So kudo's for that aswell!
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:11 PM
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For 1, I doubt there was never a woman who found you attractive. More likely that you never noticed. Main tip is to just put yourself out there and take risks. If you talk to a girl and like her, go for it. A big problem most guys have who have never been in such a situation is that they "hide their penis". Go flirt, play, meet suggest dates. You'll probably fail at the start but that's a sign you're doing it right. If you get rejected you put yourself in a situation to get rejected and that's k…
/r/seduction17/06/21 05:07 PM
2

Thank you. Why are you curious for my input on that? Clearly it works for you as you've scored dates with it.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:35 AM
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22 when it properly kicked off. Knew bits and pieces about it and been a keyboard warrior a bit before that. 22 was the year I took action and actually started walking on my journey.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:34 AM
1

Couldn't agree more on this. Go out and learn.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:32 AM
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I felt like my lifestyle was well-rounded because girls weren't the only thing I my life. I've mostly lived with fun roommates and had lots of other stuff to do aswell. There were indeed months where I barely had any success but that didn't worry me later on as I enjoyed the other stuff in life aswell. Ofcourse when I just started out not getting any success messed me up but I guess that's just a process. Your mood being determined by women's responses is something you tell yourself. When you be…
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:30 AM
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No problem! I'm 28 at the moment. Negotiating the threesomes tends to be girls already being interested or semi up for it. When you're with the 3 of you alone get some 3way touching going like massaging and from there it flows on.
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:24 AM
2

Slacklining, spikeball and frisbee for outdoors. Indoors I play a mean game of pool.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:52 PM
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Well I can atleast tell you I've made it with the same height. When I was your age it was a tad more worse worse me as I did not even know what seduction was, nor did I have any attention from girls. If you feel bad about the way you look, try to atleast feel bad about something that's within your influence. And then work on that. Some of your looks are a given, we won't grow. But we can groom well, build muscle, dress properly, carry yourself well. Focus on your circle of influence, this tends …
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:51 PM
1

This, she doesn't have to know it's a date. She def has to know you have a penis.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:43 PM
2

Never really went into pick up as a couple, for me it generally "just" happened. Having said that, what worked retrospectively was quite simply getting the woman do most of the work actually. I could relax and just had to be able to pull the trigger to go for both and keep the vibe sexual. Basic technic that helped me to go easily into a threesome when we were in a room with 3 was suggesting a massage 2 on 1, cause it's supposed to be so much better than 1 on 1 massage. From there stuff tends to…
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:33 PM
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I ment with my mention of you being perceptive the aspect of being able to analyze and slice and dice whats happening in the social matrix so you can learn from that, while still having fun conversations that aren't too logical. And no worries, happy to help!
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:27 PM
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Did both, succes varied on a lot of things. In general if I wasn't in a good mood going with a wing was better because you have fun together. (Going with a wing sometimes just ment going walking with a friend and talking to random people in the street.) If I was in a good mood it didn't matter much if I was solo or with somebody, in the end that led to success.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:25 PM
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It was an interesting experience and it showed me who and what not to be. Also they had some fun and valuable stuff to share. 2 metaphors fit here. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater & sometimes you gotta search through the cow shit to find a nugget of gold.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:23 PM
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Started out when I was around 22 so there's plenty of time. Same for me, before that I got some random hook ups. Later that skyrocketed. The main tips are the main post. What helped me a lot to incorporate quite some was my mantra: "how can I make this fun?" Waiting in line? How can I make this fun? Sitting on a park bench waiting for a friend? How can I make this fun? Etc.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:22 PM
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True, can be anywhere, I found night game earlier to start with and later transferred to day game aswell. Honestly you can approach with your groceries in your car looking for the milk if you see an interesting person.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:19 PM
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Try and use it as a strength though, you're probably quite perceptive of things which can help your social skills. It just might take a bit more effort.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:18 PM
1

No worries man, happy to contribute. :)
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:16 PM
1

If your friends cockblock they're not really good friends are they? Unless they do it ofcourse for shits and giggles and building some fun together. If they cockblock you not on purpose and you're good friends you should be able to call them out of that and get it out of the way. I had a lesbian friend who did that a few times to me so I simply called her out on in the next day and after that she was cool.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:15 PM
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Stuff that stood out to me for programs (at the time of viewing) were rsd blue print and the 1 by Mark Manson that I cant recall the name off. An example is that I went to a non violent communication workshop or to a how to set goals and manage your stress. There's a lot of value in getting a broad view from a lot of places to then incorporate that in your game life.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:13 PM
3

1.65m or 5"4, why the curiosity for my height?
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:10 PM
1

Def a good point, I feel like I got the same experience going out with some friends where we didn't speak to eachother for the whole night and just entered together and had a blast individually. So I def get what you mean.
/r/seduction16/06/21 10:09 PM
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Take some classes or follow YouTube videos. I did that this week with my current gf, just took salsa dance lessons on YouTube. We both sucked at it but it's fun and it still helps you build rhytm. Just do it a lotz and learn to copy moves from dancers that you like that are easy to execute.
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:38 PM
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The boring answer, all of them a bit. Downloaded quite some pick up programs and took bits and pieces of that. Followed training and coaching (outside pick up) and took bits and pieces of that. And talked with people from all walks of life and took bits and pieces of that. What helped me was becoming well rounded and well versed in different aspects.
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:36 PM
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I was described that way about 15 years ago, then made very little progress till about 6 years ago when I learned that social skills are just that, a skill to learn. Pua means pick up artist, general term for guys diving into the theory and all of picking up women.
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:35 PM
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I do a lot of slacklining, spikeball with friends and frisbee. Those work quite well and have low step in levels. :) for indoors I play quite some pool which makes for a fun date.
/r/seduction16/06/21 04:33 PM
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Fair point about the resources. I see that happen too much in professional circles aswell, reading books without putting theory into practice. Regarding everybody knowing what I typed, I doubt that reading quite some of the posts here. Ofcourse plenty of people will know what I've written down, I simply wrote it down for those that don't and hope somebody takes something away from it. Besides, there's actually a part in there that tackles the taking action and then giving up soon. Namely, learn …
/r/seduction16/06/21 02:23 PM
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Yeah no, this is gonna bite you in the ass in the long run. First off, you will become very gimmicky. Go for some more foundational cheatsheet stuff rather than trying to substitute basic social skills with silly tricks. Holding eye contact as long as possible is a bad gimmick for example, cause you want to hold eye contact enough to build (sexual) tension. But you also want to be able to release the eye contact so you don't come off as a creeper. There's nuances in this, learn it by you know, a…
/r/seduction16/06/21 01:11 PM
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Women love sex, just not with you.
/r/seduction15/06/21 03:50 PM
1

Lol yeah, I never said to date them. Just socialize with them. :)
/r/seduction15/06/21 01:03 PM
1

Protip, you're new and want to get to know your colleagues. Get a proactive habit going for you and ask them for walking or coffee meet ups. Helps with the while going back to work vibe when you can and is I general a good thing to do. As for closed classes, fair a lot of stuff is closed. Look further to whatever is open. Maybe dancing in a park for example.
/r/seduction14/06/21 10:10 PM
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I feel like these kinda posts come every week. But what about having a social hobby? Go out and about and do stuff with other people. Go to MeetUps of your liking if they're active due to Covid. Also, if you're a young professional, go do stuff with your colleagues.
/r/seduction14/06/21 09:39 PM
1

Screw your pride mate, it's not pride it's a false bravado. At the moment all your pride does is keep you in your cosy little shell so you won't ammount to much in the dating world. Things for you to do are working on becoming more vulnerable, embrace vulnerability. It might help with your current problem and it can help you in the long run. And second, focus on your stupid mindsets. Talking and flirting with a women is not "validating" her. If that's all that's flirting to you, that's what's as…
/r/seduction14/06/21 09:29 PM
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Quick guess: you're selfsabotaging and you feel like getting rejected hurts your value so you try to protect the view you have of yourself by not getting rejected. This in turn of course leads to you being so invested in your ego that you're too weak and afraid to actually put yourself out there and learn that rejections aren't all that. Also if you feel like you bother somebody, that's a terrible mindset and you must value others higher than yourself or must think nobody must like fun with stra…
/r/seduction14/06/21 08:45 PM
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The pick up community did that a long time ago and most of those guys didn't end up quite well. I did learn my basics of communication in sales. It's a good way to learn to be more social. If you get good in sales however, you don't use a script. You tailor the sale to the person and build rapport so they buy. That's more like seduction. If you use a script to build confidence that is very much a false confidence. In essence if you use a script you're saying: "I must use this script to attract t…
/r/seduction14/06/21 08:42 PM
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Watch comedians and comedy shows to get a better feel. For storytelling learn how to do that, I liked the book stories that stick by dan and chip heath to improve on the way how I told stories. Or again look at general good stories and notice why they're good.
/r/seduction14/06/21 06:40 PM
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This, except the looks part and add to that questions of how you view yourself.
/r/seduction14/06/21 05:01 PM
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You want to suggest meet ups after you've established a fun vibe between you 2 and you generally want to suggest a meet up on a high note. Sounds like you go to fast without seeing if you or she are actually worth going on a date with.
/r/seduction14/06/21 04:47 PM
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To add a bit on this, for me the helped to be a general social guy and also talk with the staff and guys there. Makes you a general social guy and for me that helps.
/r/seduction14/06/21 04:44 PM
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That depends on what you define as logical, but lets not go into that for the sake of argument. Is every person purely logical? Does every person in this whole world only act on logic? Ofcourse not, look at all the unhealthy and self sabotaging behavior of people. If people were purely logical those behaviors (like smoking)wouldn't exist.
/r/seduction14/06/21 05:21 AM
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Different strokes to different folks. Never heard of guys being chubby or fat chasers? Too each their own, not everybody is so focused on societies ideal. Whether that's a good or bad thing, if it's healthy or unhealthy is a different discussion. But definitely Different people have different preferences. If you can't wrap your head around that you must really live in a social bubble or must simply be very dense.
/r/seduction13/06/21 08:28 AM
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This sounds very black and white to me, because I don't fully embrace it I must be ignoring it. What about the grey area? You take care of yourself physically but you also realise there's so much more than that. You don't want to get too invested in the physique is everything part. Like I said before, a women might prefer a muscular guy but how important that is in the long run differs. And quite frankly if a girl is so focused on outer appearance she will def not be the girl for me. I do want s…
/r/seduction12/06/21 03:16 PM
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Go out, talk with women. There's def some stuff in there that needs correction. Go out, get experience, meet women and you will autocorrect.
/r/seduction12/06/21 02:54 PM
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Muscles can make you more attractive to some girls, not to all. The whole looks matter is such a shitty topic because yes, looks do matter. Only they matter in such a different way for different people. Some girls like guys with dad bods, some girls only date tall guys and some girls only date fit guys. That's the problem with the looks matter debate, they matter quite differently to everybody. And in that extent, there's a different look different girls like. Different girls also value looks a …
/r/seduction12/06/21 02:52 PM
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They can be, they don't have to. It can also be that you got bullied into going to the gym by your parents and you're trying to lift away your insecurity. And ofcourse if you want to show you've got determination and willpower there are other ways to show this. Muscles can be 1, career/money can be a way, or for crying out loud, talking with somebody and outwardly conveying your internal elements (ofcourse without being the needy validation seeking person some people are).
/r/seduction12/06/21 02:24 PM
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Just act towards her like a girl you have no history with? It's quite simple. Why would you treat her any different than any other regular girl? Besides maybe some inside jokes you 2 developped and all. She's still the same girl, the only 1 that might make it awkward for you is you.
/r/seduction12/06/21 01:00 PM
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Meh even might dissagree on this. Muscles don't generally get girls. It's the way you treat yourself that gets girls. Ofcourse some girls go purely for looks, but a lot of girls don't. If that's your worldview, well then maybe it might just be you that's the superficial one. What tends to happen when guys go to the gym is that they treat themselves better and walk around with more confidence. It's not about the muscles you build, it's about what it does to you mentally. Most guys that go to the …
/r/seduction12/06/21 12:57 PM
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Well that's what the whole flirting and dating is about, atleast for me. It's about finding somebody to do that with, or several somebodies.
/r/seduction12/06/21 08:36 AM
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In general if you feel like you need to push a certain narrative to be good enough in her eyes, the problem is not the narrative. The problem is your mindset and the feeling that you have to convey yourself a certain way to be good enough. What I found tends to be attractive is a general enjoyment of life and not being ashamed of where you are. It might not be attractive to every girl, but then again you're not gonna match with every girl so find a girl that finds your lifeview and the narrative…
/r/seduction12/06/21 07:30 AM
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Meh just because you have a friend who does that doesn't mean all girls do that. Some girls take it more serious. Also some guys are better than most at sparking that first bit of interest with their first photo. Tinder has done wonders for me adding up to several dates a week with not a lot of effort if I wanted to. And no I'm not a tall handsome fella. I'm rather short and average looking, I do know how to polarize though.
/r/seduction11/06/21 12:08 PM
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Find enjoymeny in the process rather than the results. Make cold approaching a fun hobby which you enjoy rather than make it a chore you feel like you need to do. Be self amusing a lot. Even if you get no results you'll have the time of your life. An example from my experience is that I sometimes did it with friends and we made it a challenge to sneak in certain words into a convo. Words the other person gave us. This helped for me to create the playfull mood.
/r/seduction11/06/21 12:06 PM
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To keep this conversation constructive I want to focus on the latter part. There's again a big difference between being needy, acting needy and feeling needy. Where the first can be just as toxic as the second. Being needy implies a state of being. It's true that a state is not immutable. However the way you phrase it does do wonders for yourself in the long run. And that's why it pays dividends to also pay attention to that part of the semantics. I feel like we're mostly on the same page with s…
/r/seduction09/06/21 11:56 PM
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Alright let's go with that it's not bullocks. There's atleast quite some criticism. A big one I believe is that it's not always culturally relevant. Another is the fact that like I said attachment styles aren't that black and white as a personality trait. Also please don't go down the path of just because I say I like apples that I must really hate bananas. PUA psychobabble tends to be just as bad, or worse. For the warrior mindset we might dive a bit into semantics. If you identify your current…
/r/seduction09/06/21 11:32 PM
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Part of what you said I can see some truth in. You can't just act up and be confident. Usually there's a lot more than just suddenly being brave. Howeverthough, the attachment theory is kinda bullocks. You attach different to different kind of people, it's not a fixed trait you have. It's something you develop towards a certain person because you for whatever reason hype her up in your head and you feel like you need something from her, whether that be sex, love or validation. Take away from thi…
/r/seduction09/06/21 11:13 PM
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I usually went to social events through meetup or whatever. Met some cool people and invited them to my house parties and told them to bring a +1 or +2, quickly builds your social circle. Add on that, try to have a group of friends where something like that is normal, usually the group knows more than just the group. Ask the other aswell if they can bring some cool people from their lifes to join in the fun.
/r/seduction09/06/21 10:39 PM
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There truly is no method, there are however ways to improve on your social skills and ways to get better at seduction. A simple example would be storytelling. If you're a good storyteller it's easier to captivate somebodies attention. Whilst if you suck at conversing and don't know where you lack people might find you boring and you have no clue what you do wrong. It is indeed a numbers game, but so is black jack in essence. If you learn to count cards you'll get better results though than someb…
/r/seduction09/06/21 06:19 PM
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Either get out and talk to people or go see a shrink. Don't know which is more applicable to your situation, but atleast do something about it.
/r/seduction09/06/21 11:00 AM
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A yes the conversational trick of saying something funny once that was probably applicable to that situation and then repeating my 1 funny moment in life in hopes of peaking again. Instead of you know, actually develop some personality, go you my man for finding this short cut.
/r/seduction09/06/21 10:23 AM
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Or lol go out and have fun while you have friends shoot pictures. It ain't that hard my friend, have a social life or create it and ask people to take pictures of you. If you need a reason, besides pics for socials. Say it's because you want more pics to remember the good times when you look back.
/r/seduction05/06/21 02:53 PM
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There is no method or system that works in the long run. What works is getting experience and tailoring the approach to your unique individuality. How to do that? Find lots of stuff and find out from there what works for you, get an holistic view rather than a narrow view of 1 specific method or system.
/r/seduction05/06/21 02:50 PM
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What do you like to do? Join groups, sports, theater, book clubs. Find a social hobby or make the hobby that you do more social
/r/seduction05/06/21 10:19 AM
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What are you interested/passionate about? If you're excited to talk about something your conversation partner will generally follow your enthusiasm, emotional contagion and all that. You can talk about your studies or your job if you're really enthusiastic about it if you work at a pizza place to make ends meet. Better not talk about it. Or just tell a cool story that happened to you the other day, make it fun for you and her. If nothing cool happens to you, go do stuff with your life or become …
/r/seduction04/06/21 07:57 AM
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Nice post! A minor point about the real life dating. I feel it is definitely simpler but not necessarily easier. About the 1 race won't date me because of my race is def bs. I always think of George Costanza from Seinfeld when people bring this up. In 1 episode there's an attractive girl attracted to him. And she believes there must be something wrong with him cause he's a short balding fat guy with glasses. Eventually he selfsabotages and she leaves him. This is when he figures out here thing i…
/r/seduction04/06/21 07:52 AM
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I feel like the approach and the reason why you do it is what matters. If you aproach women just because there's no other way, tough luck for you. If you set out a moment in your schedule to practice your skills or to just have fun, you're cool. From what mindset somebody approaches makes all the difference.
/r/seduction03/06/21 03:24 PM
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Is there a bigger chance that you're out of touch with your whole generation or that you have a skewed view and not everybody is out of touch with you. Adding to that it seems like you're taking the moral high ground here. What you're doing is better than what the others are doing according to you. Which makes you even more out of touch with your generation, simply because you don't see them as having a "proper" way of living. And last, if your professional life entails working this much. I'd su…
/r/seduction03/06/21 10:27 AM
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If you work 6 days a week 12 hours a day you got a different fish to fry. Focus on getting that fixed first, so you actually have time in your life for a woman.
/r/seduction03/06/21 06:19 AM
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First, there's a good chance that people don't actually look at you all that often. This tends to be more in your head than in the actual reality. Second, something I've done to work on this issue doing stuff that made people look at me so I got comfortable with it. Laid down in the middle of the street, sang Disney songs and danced when I had my headphones on. After doing this for a while any eyes that were focused on me didn't bother me anymore.
/r/seduction03/06/21 06:13 AM
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There's no demo's at this moment as I'm in a long term relationship and am of the dating market for a bit or who knows, permanently. In general I don't do sex talk before there actually has been sex. Roleplays are geared toward fun silly games and that's it. Sounds like you text with specific kind of guys though, maybe there's another problem in that and the roleplays you've seen.
/r/seduction02/06/21 08:36 PM
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Yeah I get what you mean. It's a fine art. I talked about it with some friends and usually their texts are quite cringe worthy. I tend to roll with something like stealing a panda from the zoo for our first dates and roleplay a fun scenario around that together with her. What exactly about the roleplays makes it cringe worthy for you and your friends?
/r/seduction02/06/21 06:51 PM
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Like OP said insta and snap can be good ways. Post stories of you doing cool shit. If you have a fun live, chances are others want in on the action. Other ways is casually chatting about stuff you did without sounding try hard. This is a balancing act which you need to figure out for yourself.
/r/seduction02/06/21 05:12 PM
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There's also this thing of self amusement versus getting girls. For me seduction is so much more self amusement than actually trying to get the girl. If I slap my knew with my own amusement and she doesn't respond on that, chances are we wouldn't vibe all that good in the long term anyway.
/r/seduction02/06/21 05:09 PM
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Another thing to add. You don't just wanna text a steanger: "hey, wanna date?" That almost never works out. Get some fun vibes going like you said and try to suggest the date on a high note while you talk about something fun. I usually roleplay in text and make a fun date suggestion out of that which doesn't sound like a date. This way you both have fun and she's gets interested in you as a fun person to chill with and you can take it from there. For me the general text rule is: have fun or get …
/r/seduction02/06/21 10:41 AM
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Just wrote a small post on that and posted that in this subreddit. There's not a set thing to do. The next step is taking a step which seems like an improvement and a challenge for you. You can apperantly make friends with women, now can you flirt? Can you make sexual comments towards women in convo's? Maybe women you're familiar with, or women your unfamiliar with. if you're cool with that, do you feel comfortable touching women? There are plenty of steps to take, try to boil down where you're …
/r/seduction02/06/21 09:50 AM
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That's the hard part, "just" doing it. By putting yourself in the situations you will figure out it ain't all that bad if it goes bad. Rejection makes you stronger in the long run and builds your confidence. You'll probably feel very little confince the first few times. It's a long term process.
/r/seduction02/06/21 09:47 AM
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Well that mindset in itself is a problem. You will definetly look like a creep, atleast sometimes. I've been meeting women for a good 8 years or so and I still sometimes look like a creep. It happens to everybody I think. Just embrace the suck. That being sad, to save your social face don't go randomly approach women close to your social circle cause that might build you up a bad reputation as the creep if it goes wrong a lot of times. You can still approach women close to your social circle, bu…
/r/seduction02/06/21 09:17 AM
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Maybe you're slow in the game of seduction. That's okay, it's also okay to not compare yourself. Or if you want to compare you can pick me. I only started dating when I was 20, after that it took of more me and usually met several wonderfull new girls a week/month. My advice, even though it feels quite simple is: "have fun" You've got plenty of time for girls later aswell. There's no need to put a focus on it now, or ever. If you have fun girls will come to your life eventually. Go focus on hobb…
/r/seduction02/06/21 08:46 AM
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Yeah, my advice would be to stop reading up on pickup and seduction. Next step is to stop looking for signs. Go meet more women, that's the only advice you should follow at this moment. Get some experience talking to women and your problem will autocorrect. Stop theorizing and analyzing for this moment. When you're new to a sport you usually want to first try the feel of it and get a bit of experience under your belt before you actually dive into the deeper constructs, same with pickup. After yo…
/r/seduction02/06/21 08:42 AM
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If your social circle reacts like that. Get a better social circle, 1 that's actually supportive and nice towards the people in the group. Just like with a girlfriend, also be selective with your friends. Surround yourself with people who bring you up instead of down. Also a social circle and a friend group are 2 separate things. With a social circle I mainly mean, have friends and different kinds of connections. A lot of my friends barely know eachother except for the precorona parties. My new …
/r/seduction01/06/21 06:35 PM
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I feel quite the same about mystery, there´s minor bits and pieces that I became aware of because of him but there´s not much else to it anymore. ​ True, there´s a difference for me with actually using conditioning to manipulate people and being aware of how it works and sometimes catching yourself communicating in a certain way so you can break patterns in your relationships and being upfront about what is happening with the other person.
/r/seduction01/06/21 10:22 AM
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True that there are some tools to use that are effectieve in seduction. However using something like the Ben Franklin effect to seduce a woman doesn't feel real to me. I'd rather stick to conversing from my own place instead of picking up stuff that's supposed to work. I do not disregard the research and for example I used some stuff to hone my storytelling skills to tell the stories that I tell in a more captivating way. However using impliciet influence techniques isn't up my street. And using…
/r/seduction01/06/21 09:30 AM
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True that I could read some research papers. However I do not feel that those have helped me with seduction. Ofcourse you can find out what ticks most girls and aim for a general approach. However I think seduction is more of a person based skill. You gotta do what works for you and not aim for the average. I feel that actually talking with people and working in a field which requires a lot of social interaction makes me a better seducer. To go back to the football metaphor. I can read all I wan…
/r/seduction01/06/21 08:40 AM
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Heh, I have a master in psychology. That generally doesn't mean a lot in the field of seduction. Disregarding or acknowledging someone's knowledge based on their education in a somewhat related field is a void argument in this case. You generally don't go to a tennis player for football tips. Sure both play sports, but for football tips you're better of going to a footballer. Regarding the main post. Chasing indeed is weak. Getting to know new girls isn't always chasing though. It depends on you…
/r/seduction01/06/21 08:15 AM
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What social activities do you like? Do that. Running? Join a group. Board games? Join a group. Etc. It doesn't doesn't have to be an activity with girls. You're new there so first focus on building a new social circle. If you're social and meet more people there is a bigger chance you'll also meet a girl you'll like and who will like you through your circle. If you make meeting a girl the end all be all it will be very difficult.
/r/seduction01/06/21 07:43 AM
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Girls like guys that can self express. If you wanna wave, wave. Just be unapologetic about it. If you think what you're doing is weak you're weak. "Those who think they can and those who think they can't are both equally right."
/r/seduction01/06/21 07:32 AM
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The point being made here I think is that using PUA tactics from the frame of mind you portrayed is generally a bad thing. Mark Manson wrote a bit about the inferiority gap. Short summary: guys think they are lower value than a girl so they use tactics to make up for that. However the problem with this is that by using tactics you're reinforcing your mindset that she is higher value than you because you need tactics to be the same value as her. And so the circle continues which will keep you lac…
/r/seduction01/06/21 07:31 AM
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Don't be sorry, I'll take the compliment. :)
/r/seduction31/05/21 10:26 PM
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If this works for you, def go for it. However also remember that a date is supposed to be fun, for you aswell. Don't try to overanalyze. Maybe she talks a lot because she's interested, maybe she talks a lot because you're boring. Maybe she doesn't talk a lot because she wants to know you better, maybe she doesn't talk a lot because she's bored. Feel the general vibe of the date. You also don't have to make constant eye contact, go with what makes you feel comfortable, but def do look her in the …
/r/seduction31/05/21 10:26 PM
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I was very unaware of my sex change until now. Thank you for notifying me of my changed gender. Fair enough to disagree with me, I laid it out from my perspective. In my experience second dates have plenty of occasions to initiate physical contact. I could have clarified, with this I don't mean sit on her lap. More of a gentle touching when you talk and getting her accustomed to you being in her aura so to speak. Then again a lot of my second dates ended in somebody's bed, so maybe our views of …
/r/seduction31/05/21 10:11 PM
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Just go for it is the way. Guys tend to hype up the moment of the kiss in their heads. However seduction is not a point A to point B process. Rather it's a gradual process. Get close to her during the date and try to have some physical contact. Then at some moment when she's still there simply go for it. It might be a bit clumsy and sloppy but that's okay. If she's with you on a second date she probably wants you to kiss her and in her head she's your cheerleader, waiting for you to make the mov…
/r/seduction31/05/21 09:44 PM
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Why do you want to alter your vibe? I tend to be respectfull towards both feminine and masculine guys. The ones I'm a lot less respecting towards are the guys who I feel are communication from a shitty position and usually from not respecting themself. If the submissive feminine guy respects himself it's a lot easier for me to respect him aswell. If you truly want to alter your vibe you can, as suggested in other comments, indeed fix certain behaviors, like your posture and the way you talk. Usu…
/r/seduction31/05/21 09:37 PM
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This is a very passive role in meeting women though. It's not about whether it's alpha or beta to approach a woman. It's about taking an active role in finding a girl or several girls that fit with you. It's also about being vulnerable and putting yourself out there. She might reject you and you build some mental calluses. Meeting women is more than just "being alpha and having sex" The other side to your coin ofcourse is also that it's very safe. You will never get rejected so you can protect y…
/r/seduction31/05/21 09:28 PM
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No worries. If you do decide to continue with Tinder make it so that your profile is geared towards matching with girls that fit your current lifestyle. If you have all kinds of fancy dinner pictures, small chance you´ll find girls that want a guy living out of his car. Tailor your profile to the girl you want to attract and that might be attracted to you. :)
/r/seduction31/05/21 08:48 PM
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If the first girl seems like the right path for you at this moment, you might aswell go for it. It might be a good decision, it might not be. Just check with yourself every once in a while if you´d still make the same decision again on a different day, or that a different turn in your life is needed for you. For me in the end both girls left the radar in the long term and I´m now with a different girl who seems quite marvelous and very long term. I learned a bit more about my likes and dislikes …
/r/seduction31/05/21 08:47 PM
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First off, good on you for being so communicative towards both of them. I've been in a similar situation. But lets not go offroad to my story and lets focus on you. First, what do you want to get out a relationship/romantic commitment? Are you currently thinking long term, short term or just whatever feels right? If it's short term, you can always go with what feels right and be done with it. If you're more focused long term 1 thing stuck out to me. You said "if only she were 2 years older". Do …
/r/seduction31/05/21 04:35 PM
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Find out why you can't see a future with someone else. There is probably something blocking you from commiting to something long term or to another person. Talk with friends or potential dates with this and take it from there. Just figure it out as you go. I think this is quite a common issue people face, lots of times for different reasons.
/r/seduction31/05/21 04:25 PM
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Find girls that are okay with your situation or that think it's cool. Usually that means the more freespirited kind of girl. If you're also attracted to them, go and find places where they are. Sports groups, meditations sessions, something else? Not familiar with your surroundings. For finding them you can usually use MeetUp or FaceBook. Also, on Tinder, don't bring it up then. First show them you're not a loser guy who lives out of his car because of neccessity but because it's chil. If you sh…
/r/seduction31/05/21 04:22 PM
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Big questions to ask yourself before you work on self-improvement and setting authentic goals. What does that exactly mean for you? Self-improvement can become mental masturbation in which you can indulge too much if you're not conscious about it. Then again it's also a learning path. For me the scale first tipped towards doing nothing and later to becoming obsessed with sports and self improvement before I could find a balance. Atleast a balance for the time being. I feel like it still is a bal…
/r/seduction31/05/21 03:10 PM
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Simple truth, just go for it. The key of your message is in your last sentence "I like this girl a lot, but last thing I need is for someone to constantly lead me on with meaningless flirts." Whatever she did might be an IOI, it might not be. We don't know you, nor the situation, nor the relationship you 2 build, nor who she is. For any proper recommendations we need to know a lot more. Atleast that's my view. What I can advice you is like I said, to go for it. It might be a bit clumsy but that'…
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:35 PM
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Practical tip: get a job where you have to speak to (new) people. When I wanted to improve my conversation skills I picked up a job in sales (which I was shit at for the first few weeks, but they didn't mind as it was commission based). After practicing with that more and more I simply got better at self expressing and with that came the humor that I already had and let it into my convo's with new people.
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:27 PM
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No, you're an unique individual and you're the only one to ever experience this. ;) Joking aside, for me it what helped was investing more in myself and take some time away from women. Stopped making them a priority and getting the rest of my life handled. Still working on my social skills, but not with the goal of attracting somebody. Simply for the goal of having fun and improving. In the long term that paid off. In general I communicated from a place of lack because I simply felt I was lookin…
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:22 PM
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A good thing to keep in mind is that those signs can be momentarily or returning. Sometimes a woman is simply in a bad place mentally for a period. Maybe her hamster just died, she just failed defending her thesis or she might simply just be having a shit day. If it happens once or twice I tend to pick up the convo later with a simple "ping" A text about my day or a meme, if she continues of that again and invests in the convo I'll see what happens with that.
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:19 PM
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Agreed, I also fell into the trap quite some time ago where I was masking all my flaws instead of embracing them. This also led to me being some sort of unreachable persona which stood in the way of me truly connecting with women.
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:15 PM
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Basically what you're saying is that your pictures don't convey who you are in real life right? Best thing I've done for that was ask girls I was good friends or fwb's with what they thought of my profile. Not every girl is as perceptive of what you communicate with the photos so pick out a girl who is a bit more analytical. See what feedback they give you. Another question that your post rings up for me is: "What is charisma for you?" I have used pictures with the fuckboy attitude which got me …
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:12 PM
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Adding to that, those small basketball hoops and ball can be quite fun aswell. 1 that I enjoyed thoroughly was my rubber chicken. I invited a girl with the pretense of her coming to see my secret pet. Then when we came in I grabbed the chicken and wacked her with it. This usually ended in some fun play fighting. I guess to use that as a teaser when going home it has to be your style though.
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:04 PM
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