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Women are actually sexually attracted to stern and serious men because those traits are more masculine than being a fun loving tease. If a girl likes you, she takes everything you say as a tease and will laugh even when you aren't funny. You can be stern and serious and the girl will feel like you are fun. If the girl doesn't like you, you could have maximum comedy and teasing skills and she will still feel like you are boring. A girl's interest in you is based on you simply existing. Just fix h…
/r/seduction25/12/25 01:14 PM
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You don't have to learn how to flirt, all you have to do is exist and not cause drama.
/r/seduction23/12/25 08:10 PM
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I don't verbalize anything negative. I say either neutral or positive stuff, staying in the present moment, but everything except my choice of words shows negative behavioral traits. Women's emotions consider the traits of the dark triad as positives because it makes them feel like you have better options. It wasn't until I figured that out that things started going my way.
/r/seduction23/12/25 08:02 PM
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Texting isn't the problem. Texting consecutively when you get no response is the problem. (Double texting) You can send a text to ask her out or whatever, but after that you go silent until you get a response. If you don't say anything at all you have a 100% chance of not getting anywhere. If by chance she is interested she will respond in reasonable time. If she is not interested nothing you can do will change that, so shoot one shot but not two.
/r/seduction22/12/25 12:00 AM
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If a girl likes you, it's simply for you existing. Your friend might be capable of verbal game, but he likely withholds it on purpose and lets his presence do the work so he comes across as having no need to exert effort. You are simply carrying more "try hard" energy than your friend is because of you feeling like you need to play catch up, and it shows especially when you are talking a lot and being extroverted. You may not actually be trying too hard, but women perceive try hard aura where it…
/r/seduction21/12/25 11:53 PM
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If you want to seduce her, be polarizing. Women's emotions work completely opposite to your logic as a man. If she is very outgoing and extroverted, seduce her with opposing traits. I've learned throughout my adult life that the shy and quiet girls chase the extroverted, high energy men, and the outgoing women tend to be drawn to stoic and levelheaded men who carry no "try hard" energy and feel no need to be a social butterfly. They feel safer with these men because they have the emotional contr…
/r/seduction21/12/25 01:10 PM
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-smooth and flirty while texting. I'm telling you; text ONLY to make and confirm plans. The in person interacting isn't the problem here, filling silences with stupidity can actually work in your favor because if done with lax tone and energy it can display outcome independence. Women mistake artificial communication as you seeking emotional reassurance that she is interested. When you text more than absolutely necessary, she starts looking for reasons to disqualify you regardless of your textin…
/r/seduction21/12/25 12:48 PM
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/r/seduction14/12/25 03:06 AM
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We are in agreement. It's from the place of needing to feel safe, and preselection is what satisfies women's safety senses on the subconscious level, this was actually taught in 6th grade health class. Your description was about the traits that are evaluated more on the conscious level, but it all ties into safety. This is why I tell guys that women prioritize perceived preselection over actual preselection. If a guy is sexually patient and doesn't neglect his priorities and has a fulfilling lif…
/r/seduction13/12/25 09:43 PM
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You are clearly testing for the behaviors and traits of a man that many women would desire. Thank you for further proving my point.
/r/seduction13/12/25 09:07 PM
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It's not that women consciously prefer guys that ignore them or don't pay attention, it's mainly a subconscious thing. . Women desire men that other women want. When a man pays a good looking woman no mind, her emotions and her ego assume that he has options of equal or higher quality, otherwise he would be trying harder.
/r/seduction13/12/25 02:41 AM
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Take caution. It's only good if the girl has a sense of humor
/r/seduction12/12/25 02:51 PM
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It's just behaving in ways that make it obvious that if you were to walk away, you would be walking into abundance, so she will behave well as to not give u a reason to walk away. If she knew you would be walking away into scarcity, she would cause friction and give you reasons to walk away. If I'm at the mall with my girl and we cross paths with a chick with a huge rack or ass, instead of clamming up or awkwardly refraining from glancing, I'll look naturally as any human who is checking my surr…
/r/seduction12/12/25 11:28 AM
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That is truth that doesn't compute to logical minds that has to somehow be put into words. Women do not operate on logic. Either you actually want an answer or you just taking a jab, I really don't care, someone that isn't u may find it useful.
/r/seduction12/12/25 12:39 AM
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The key is really hitting a balance of being social with a woman, yet be outcome detached at the same time. It takes effort to learn how to have that balance, or it comes naturally through trials. With me I lost family members and I lost any sense of excitement around beautiful women, so I was stuck in detached behavior by default but I still got words out. My current gf started seeing me when I became a broken man and I couldn't even grasp how I successfully attracted her until I compared my pr…
/r/seduction11/12/25 10:05 PM
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You just need to learn to separate self improvement from seduction. If you want to upgrade your body or your bank account or your social skills, you must exert maximum effort at all times. Attracting women is the ONLY thing in this life where the more effort you exert, the more you go backwards. That is because they mistake you giving effort as you being undesired by other women. There exist players out there that are beasts at the gym, competent at the job, socially masterful at gatherings....b…
/r/seduction11/12/25 09:36 PM
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It's not really the initiation or conversation of exclusivity that turns women off, it's the biological dynamics that come with it. On a subconscious level, women get turned off when you become incongruent with male mating strategy, which is to grow your options so you can spread your seed. The female mating strategy is to narrow her options down to the most preselected man. The moment the woman knows or even suspects that you are willing to drop your options for her is when she feels like you b…
/r/seduction11/12/25 09:21 PM
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There is no such thing as good texting advice because there is no way to win. Too many guys do well with in person interacting only to get friction from the woman as soon as regular texting takes place, it's for a reason. When you use artificial communication, women automatically assume a context from typed words that disqualifies you because it's their job and their nature to filter their options. You can't use the tone and cadence and body language of IRL interacting to create the masculine en…
/r/seduction11/12/25 09:05 PM
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Of course I'm in apathy. I don't desire to be stuck in it, but the way that this world rewards lack of concern makes it not worth escaping.
/r/seduction11/12/25 02:14 PM
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I don't dispute that there exists men with low self esteem who resort to using indifference as a tactic. There is also guys like me who actually don't care. If she doesn't like me I don't care, if she does like me, I also don't care. My father is in an urn. You really think I'm going to exert effort into pleasing a woman just because she is cute? My girl being attracted to me was a side effect of being broken, the old me that actually cared would have never have got her. Girls like to fix what i…
/r/seduction11/12/25 02:01 PM
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I personally don't believe in playing games. Games are unethical, but that doesn't make them ineffective. When you have higher priorities than pussy, it's not a game at all. The thing is women don't care if it's an act or not if their emotions can't tell the difference. The other thing is the trials. If you go through tragedy such as losing a loved one, it's not a game, you simply aren't going to be as interested in physical beauty and it will show. Women mistake high interest level and consiste…
/r/seduction11/12/25 01:47 PM
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This is exactly how guys act when they know what they are doing. He might be acting distant and uninterested romantically in order to keep your interest and have you in the position of the chaser. Seeing as you took to Reddit to ask how to make him feel a spark, it's clearly working.
/r/seduction11/12/25 01:59 AM
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Your situation isn't about different women having different types. They have various preferences, but they all have female biology and female safety mechanisms. If you have attracted women easily most of your adult life, it would have been easy to miss learning the stuff you can only learn by being a former reject who figured it out as he got older. This woman disqualified you in her subconscious so her conscious feelings just weren't there, and the only way they know how to put that into words …
/r/seduction10/12/25 01:44 PM
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Social status damage is a consequence that can be fully prevented by not making the girl feel like a deer in headlights even if you are rejected. I ain't worried about damaging my reputation because I don't pretend to act normal, I actually be normal. It's just a regular conversation until I have reason to have intent. I've never taken a hit to status from rejection because I ensure that I don't do anything to warrant a harsh rejection that is worth it to the girl to talk about or even remember …
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:48 PM
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No amount of approaches will kill the nerves. Actually generating options will do that. Women filter specifically for preselected men. If you lack options, just study and emulate the behavioral traits of a preselected man until you become one. Women prioritize illusions of value they can perceive over actual value that they cannot, so you don't need to feel like you are faking it until you make it. The biggest demonstrator of preselection is social and sexual patience. If you can learn to slow e…
/r/seduction05/12/25 09:02 PM
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Men might desire women that other men desire on an appearance/personality basis, but not on a sexual history basis. Preselection works differently for men and women because the mating strategies are different. Women filter for the one man who is the safest bet so the tribe can know who the father is, men optimize their amount of options to spread their seed. Women define the "safest" as the man who is most congruent with male strategy. The modern west seems opposite but the natural defaults stil…
/r/seduction05/12/25 08:50 PM
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Medical centers and family court facilities.
/r/seduction05/12/25 08:36 PM
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Relax. If someone educates you on why you are scared to talk to girls, it becomes easy. EVERY man has approach anxiety because evolution printed it on our DNA as a survival mechanism because in the distant past a woman rejecting you could have got you killed. For thousands of years humans lived in tribes, and when a man got rejected he could be exiled or even executed, so we developed anxiety to act as a safety alarm to prevent the consequences of rejection, and to this day that anxiety exists i…
/r/seduction05/12/25 12:30 PM
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Find more options so no one feels weird if something does happen between her and your friend. The whole catch 22 is if you talk to him and he gives you the all clear, the girl is going to select the guy who displays LESS interest in her. If you ask her out and he backs off, she will probably chase him for removing his care for the outcome, or worse; get with you first then go behind your back. It's a no win situation, but those situations disappear when you build a rotation. "We can't win, but t…
/r/seduction04/12/25 01:21 AM
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The way other men respond to us and the respect we can garner determines our value among said other men. The female definition of high value is so much different. Women perceive a man's value based on if he has or can easily get other women of equal or higher quality. DHV to women means creating the aura that you are preselected. Among men you exert maximum effort to compete and command respect, and these behaviors do get you points if the woman is observing you interacting with the men....until…
/r/seduction04/12/25 01:11 AM
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Pay attention to the guys that get laid whenever they want, and connect the dots on the behavioral traits that those guys have in common. You might notice that they are being social with women, yet their temperament and demeanor is detached. This is because they already have women so they feel no need to exert effort or raise their energy or feel "giddy". All you have to do is create the energy that you have access to hotter women without needing to verbally say it, that is called preselection, …
/r/seduction04/12/25 12:52 AM
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Invoke polarity. Attraction is no different than the experiments with magnets in 3rd grade science class. Guys that are level headed and grounded are naturally more masculine than the high energy animals because they don't feel a need to exert a lot of effort into winning people over. You want to display the opposing traits. The more feminine you act and the more effort you give, the more likely you are to attract someone who is masculine and effortless, and the more likely he will be open to wh…
/r/seduction02/12/25 08:33 PM
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It took me well into my 30s to realize a hard lesson: Text game is a game that cannot be won because artificial communication turns women off. If you look at the evidence of your situation, your male instincts already knew this was true. I can make a half hour white board presentation as to why texting generally turns women off, but I'll try to summarize. Women are naturally going to try to justify disqualifying each of their options to see who is the most preselected. During in person interacti…
/r/seduction02/12/25 05:34 PM
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You are the male. Flirting is a feminine action. Men are supposed to have a stern and serious edge as leaders. Notice how every TV Dad is the bumbling idiot or funny guy and the mom has the stern demeanor and has the authority. We were literally programmed to reduce birth rates by being less masculine. You flirt by having regular conversation, but you inject masculine patience into your tone and cadence and your non verbal behaviors and body movements to make you appear preselected by other wome…
/r/seduction29/11/25 04:02 PM
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I don't have a high lay count but I started getting sex regularly in my early 30s before settling down with my current girl, and the quality of the women kept improving. My 20s were completely drought, so I relied on my best friend who already fucked half the town since we were teens. No matter how much he tried teaching me, it didn't click until life circumstances happened and I became a broken man and started behaving in what women consider attractive ways completely by accident. My boy never …
/r/seduction29/11/25 03:40 PM
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Everything I speak of is from my own experience, but I learned completely by accident by being broken by tragedy and suddenly I was getting women without effort and didn't know why, and even ended up with a respectful gf who is way better looking than me....and I had to later learn what I was doing correctly. Most PUAs and coaches and content creators deliberately mislead you because if their advice worked, you would have no future need for them or their subscription programs. The only coach I c…
/r/seduction27/11/25 03:47 PM
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Women test your urgency at all times to try to confirm if you are as preselected as they originally felt that you were when they first considered you an option. This is what a shit test is. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do things on your time, but feeling the need to do so creates urgent energy that the girl can sense. You may not actually feel urgent, but women are wired to disqualify you and may perceive urgency where it doesn't exist. A woman will either subconsciously or consciously…
/r/seduction27/11/25 12:34 AM
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You should not even care if you need to do things on her schedule as long as you are free to do so. If it doesn't work, whatever. Trying to be masculine and assertive to "bring the girl into your world" and to do things on your time because you are the man actually turns women off and makes them laugh at you inside their head because that mindset makes them feel like you aren't preselected and can't get any elsewhere. Very few coaches will tell you that. If you don't feel butt hurt about her ava…
/r/seduction27/11/25 12:03 AM
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The important thing to know about past relationships and how they ended is the woman's accountability, so you want to steer any discussion to reveal how responsible she felt A green flag would be if a breakup was legitimately the guys fault, but the girl will still talk about things she could have done better to accept partial accountability. A red flag is when she talks like 100% of issues were 100% of the man's fault at all times every time. Even if a breakup was completely the girl's fault, i…
/r/seduction26/11/25 01:36 PM
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It's all about your internals. The nerves that make you slip off your game come from feeling internally "giddy" that you are talking to a cute girl combined with outcome dependence. You need to get rid of that lift of emotions that you feel jump in your gut when in the face of beauty so you remain internally indifferent, which shows externally in your tone, cadence, body movements and facial expressions. The unfortunate thing is your internal core cannot be manually trained to keep your emotions…
/r/seduction25/11/25 06:43 PM
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Maybe forget all that shit and just learn to behave in an attractive way. Chasing pussy puts you into energy that makes you appear not preselected and turns women off. The pursuit of sex should never be needed to motivate elevating other aspects of your life because improving your health, money and status is for you and your family. Women say they prioritize this stuff but their actions show that they prioritize behavioral traits.
/r/seduction25/11/25 06:22 PM
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If the girl is attracted to you, she will laugh even if you say something nerdish or corny, so you really don't need to try to be a comedian or put much thought into it. In fact, being socially oblivious is what makes girls giggle. It's the opposite of "try hard" energy and her emotions lift because she feels you aren't trying too hard and you might be preselected. No more than 10 minutes ago I was at the parts counter at a dealership and I slipped and started nerding out with the girl over the …
/r/seduction25/11/25 06:12 PM
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Talk to her or any girl you want regardless of how people judge them. Understand that there is no such thing as a slut. There is also no such thing as a "good girl". This is because a woman's sexual behavior is variable depending on how she categorizes each of her options. The nerd side of me can describe a woman's sexual behavior as existing in "superposition". If she sees a guy as very attractive but not relationship material, she will be a slut for that guy or similar men, but she will pull b…
/r/seduction25/11/25 12:31 AM
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I literally said those type of women are sexy, which means you would be offended either way. This is exactly why my type changed.
/r/seduction24/11/25 08:21 PM
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Watch some Craig Ferguson clips. You're welcome.
/r/seduction23/11/25 05:37 PM
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It's weird, my current girlfriend wasn't my type, she became my type over time. My type was always bigger girls or chubby girls, but with a womanly hourglass structure and big tits. Not magazine hot, but sexy to my unique senses. My mistake was going only for them and disregarding personality every time. My girlfriend is a professional gymnast and ballet dancer with the body that goes with the occupation. She is magazine hot with a crazy slim hourglass build and looks like a maintenance princess…
/r/seduction22/11/25 10:06 PM
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If you are just looking for hookups, you don't need much criteria to decide who you want other than std related stuff When looking for a girlfriend, get a good number of options established, then evaluate for who has the least amount of social media presence. The less she is online, the higher her capacity for respect and loyalty is if a commitment were to form. If you somehow manage to find a girl who is fundamentally against social media; that is the ultimate green flag, you marry her.
/r/seduction22/11/25 08:56 PM
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There is a magic formula. You emulate the behavioral traits of a preselected man to create the opportunities to actually become one. The biggest demonstrators of preselection are social and sexual patience. If the advice doesn't look like this, it's either not good or flat out deception. Different women like different things but ALL women desire men that are preselected by other women, hence a magic formula does exist, and most profitable PUAs do NOT want men to know that because there would be …
/r/seduction22/11/25 04:47 PM
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Congratulations on getting the ROI. We can only go by our own experiences, and my experience tells me dating apps are a cesspool. Maybe you have good online game and can create a good first impression through data servers or are very attractive so women from the apps will behave well for you. All I have is the ability to behave in attractive ways that can only be shown during an IRL first impression. Knowing my limits isn't self sabotage, dating apps just aren't a good option for me based on 12+…
/r/seduction19/11/25 12:18 AM
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Online game is 100x better if lack of quality is something you enjoy or are strictly hooking up casually. As ultra rare as they are, real women do not put themselves on dating apps because they don't have to. They maintain separation from the internet cultivated hive mind and evaluate energy and behavior, not strictly appearance. If leveraging the internet works for you, I can't knock you because that is how our society now does things, it is now normal and negative connotation has generally bee…
/r/seduction18/11/25 11:49 PM
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It really is that simple. A lot of men are hyper logical and need things to be put into more words or different wording to get the point. The second a woman feels you can't do better than her, you are done.
/r/seduction18/11/25 11:03 PM
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Your use of words scream current Democrat to me so I guess we're even
/r/seduction18/11/25 06:09 PM
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If you truly mean that and don't feel turned off when a man verbalizes desire for commitment, it means you accept logic for what it is and are capable of keeping emotion in check. You are the exception and not the rule. I say what I say because the vast majority of women operate based on their default biology, which is emotionally driven and only natural.
/r/seduction18/11/25 06:05 PM
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And your opinion is irrelevant as is your ill attempt to take a jab. I'm not giving my opinion, I'm giving anthropological facts that prove themselves true every time.
/r/seduction18/11/25 05:57 PM
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I don't dispute that. Female emotion is oppositional and counter intuitive to male logic.
/r/seduction18/11/25 04:08 PM
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She is 23, we met when she was 20, so she in particular is very sensitive to her safety senses. It's really the nuisance that does the reinforcing. I'm an on call mechanic. If she is naked for me at midnight, and I get a service call, I can choose between getting laid and getting my money. More than once this happened and I chose to go to work. She gets a little pissy at first but when I come back I get ridden like the Seattle Slew. I know her well enough to know that if I chose to refuse the jo…
/r/seduction18/11/25 02:31 PM
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There is no point at which you can do that. Women have this biological safety mechanism where they feel turned off if you slip out of congruence with male dating strategy, which is to have the options to make the best choice. If you confess feelings verbally or try to have a logical conversation about what you are to each other, it is important to understand it is not your developed feelings that makes her pull back. It is her knowing or even suspecting that you are willing to drop your options,…
/r/seduction18/11/25 01:42 PM
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With these level of women, confidence isn't enough You have to raise your perceived preselection level above your actual preselection level. You are actually preselected by 8s, which is why you are stuck with 8s. Any one girl needs to feel you have had or could get equal or hotter women than her to feel safe with you. The good news is women prioritize perceived value they can observe over actual value that they cannot. Just make behavioral changes to how you speak so you can make a 10 feel like …
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:30 AM
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It actually requires less brains and effort than it seems because it's the natural way of talking. Since the invention of radio and video, our minds got trained into a different default
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:02 AM
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You want to speak with vibe. You connect better through vibe than through interviewish questions and answers. Speaking with vibe means you are talking in the present moment, you aren't future pacing or past reconciling or prying for personal information or giving away too much about yourself. Stay in the present moment by talking about the food, the music, the atmosphere...any observations about the present environment or situation using tranquil adjectives and share your opinion and ask hers, a…
/r/seduction16/11/25 06:20 PM
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Most humans are going to routinely check their phones regardless of what else they are doing to the point where it's an involuntary reflex. If it's an impulsive glance I can let that go, however if she doesn't quickly put it back down or she is glued to her phone, that's when I walk away and tell her to give my regards to Tyrone
/r/seduction16/11/25 01:42 PM
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Being quiet or being a loner are not negative things. Being uncomfortable operating solo is a negative. If you want to be a better socializer, you must first become secure and comfortable doing things on your own. This is how you develop social patience and eventually make people comfortable around you. The social roadblocks that you hit that make you feel uncomfortable are the result of feeling the sense of urgency to make a good impression. It's that same sense of urgency that makes you behave…
/r/seduction15/11/25 01:11 PM
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You assume authority, you command your lust to leave you in Jesus name, whether or not u are a believer. You wanted an answer, it's the best I can give you.
/r/seduction13/11/25 02:13 AM
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According to the male lens, high status means your fitness, money and social reputation are on a high level. According to the female lens of attraction, high status means your congruence with male mating strategy is on a high level. This means you are or appear to be preselected by multiple women. Now this is major because it answers the mysteries of dating and seduction. If you are broke and out of shape, you can still out-perform the Chad at the bar if you behave in a way that makes you appear…
/r/seduction13/11/25 02:07 AM
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You rebuke your lust. If you feel waiting to meet someone is a burden, it signals lustful hoping. If there is no lust in your being, then you aren't bearing a long wait for anything, you are actually living without that burden of waiting on your mind. . Be careful because when you defeat lust, meeting women irl becomes an everyday thing naturally so you won't even need the apps. It's a realm few men enter where the less effort they exert to hook up, the more they hook up.
/r/seduction13/11/25 01:55 AM
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You already realized what I was about to tell you. For all things in life that you want, you must exert maximum effort to get them...with the one lone exception being women. By all logic you meet all the criteria, and women do not exist in the realm of logic. You need for them to FEEL like you are preselected. I'm the short bald heavy set guy that can outperform the textbook "Chad" at the bar if he is more urgent for pussy than I am.
/r/seduction12/11/25 03:53 PM
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The best way to filter out gold diggers is to do exactly what the guy in your story did, the difference is you do these things to reveal the woman's character. Be a gentleman, pay for the date. This sounds batshit but here me out. You won't be able to tell if the girl is willing to bring the things to the table that men want unless you first bring something to the table. Women want resources and security, we want respect and appreciation. Paying for the date and being chivalrous is no longer for…
/r/seduction12/11/25 02:58 PM
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Talk to her like you would with any other human that isn't a hot chick so you don't get caught up in "try hard" energy. In fact talk to other women right in front of each other. You aren't being hurtful or a dirtbag by doing that, you are socializing like normal and turning them on in the process.
/r/seduction12/11/25 02:30 PM
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You already grasp how to talk better than most. You want to speak with vibe, which means you are talking about present moment stuff and not future pacing or past reconciling or trying to get too much personal info. You just need to make an adjustment. When sharing present moment observations, avoid cold reading and use a choice of words that passively acknowledge you aren't 100% sure. For example, instead of stating "you MUST be listening to rock music", say something like "you SEEM like you're …
/r/seduction12/11/25 01:20 PM
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Girls are easy to understand, it just takes decades to figure out which is why you have old men like me to help. Any one girl you are talking to needs to feel like you can get hotter women than her, although they will never admit it, and many of them don't even consciously realize it because it's a safety mechanism written on their d.n.a. The best course of action is to not devote your mental energy to one girl, because that screams to her that you can't do better. If the girl you like is ignori…
/r/seduction12/11/25 01:08 PM
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By process of elimination, the one thing that must be wrong is your energy output. What was the purpose behind your efforts? Was it to be the best man you could be for yourself and your family? Or was it to get pussy? From a male standpoint, you definitely deserve pussy; but the female lens of attraction is different. the thinking that women would throw themselves at you when you achieve high status is why it isnt happening. As you were building your body and bank account, you were building fals…
/r/seduction12/11/25 12:08 PM
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It's a tough question to answer because any kind of future pacing can be a turn off, she has to feel like you are selected by other women at all times to feel safe with you. It's the man's job to proposition the 1st date, it's the woman's job to proposition the 2nd. Women are the choosers, it's at that point after the first date that she can't select you if you try to select her first. With my current girlfriend, she wouldn't sleep with me on the first date so I planned on just giving her the go…
/r/seduction12/11/25 01:09 AM
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You can meet any type of woman at those places. If seeking specifically easy women, it's medical facilities and family court.
/r/seduction11/11/25 04:18 PM
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The places to meet FWBs anywhere in the world is at medical facilities and family court
/r/seduction11/11/25 02:36 PM
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Never downgrade just to get women, be the man you want to be. I'll try to make it make sense. If you aren't in a part of your life where you are broken, you can simply emulate the natural behaviors of a broken man. I just happened to learn how to behave in an attractive way completely by accident because I happened to be broken. It's not the brokenness that women find attractive, it's the lack of outcome dependence that comes with it. Most men won't get it until they have an unspeakable tragedy …
/r/seduction10/11/25 11:46 PM
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I did not have a hair loss problem. I had a hair refusal problem. The whole point was I became a problem. I was broken and changed my appearance in a silent rage against society, and with that came the removal of all "try hard" or kiss ass energy.
/r/seduction10/11/25 01:17 PM
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I didn't get much sex at all until my early 30s, then I was able to have sex seemingly at will on the first date, I didn't know at the time what I was doing correctly. I quickly and drastically changed my appearance, I went bald and grew a beard, and almost over night women started going out of their way to talk to me and even initiate physical touch, I really didn't have to exert any effort or have an elaborate game plan to get dates and close. I was still oblivious as to how I was suddenly a "…
/r/seduction10/11/25 12:40 PM
2

I find "hello" to be an excellent ice breaker. Her response will make it clear if she wants to stop and talk or not, and if she is open to conversation you can use anything about the present moment for material. You don't necessarily need anything premeditated, everything depends on how you speak, not what you speak. All that matters is appearing preselected and patient as if you can easily do better. For example, that play where you ask a girl to take a picture of you CAN work if you speak low …
/r/seduction09/11/25 01:43 PM
14

In the past I used to preach nonchalance and not acting defensive and playing into the situation because the girl will choose the guy who is less "try hard" and doesn't care, so it's easy to let the other guy sabotage himself into trying too hard and appearing unselected. Now I'm different. If I do successfully disarm another guy and keep the girls interest through nonchalance, I wouldn't be able to live with myself for not confronting blatant and open disrespect. I now confront disrespect immed…
/r/seduction09/11/25 01:34 PM
2

When I was in high school I wish I knew what I know now. I can say with confidence that there must be something about how you speak and how you move that you need to adjust because the way you speak and move determines your energy output. Most adult males don't even realize this. I will try to help. It's all about developing the right behavioral traits. Think about the "cool" kids that always have girls. "Cool" means chill. Chill means patient. Urgency is the opposite of patience. If people don'…
/r/seduction09/11/25 01:11 PM
1

Yes of course. I'm trying to supplement the explination to save asses. I felt the need to cover the relevant choice and consequence. The point was to bring up the real life consequences of dealing with someone that fucks you despite not having burning desire for you.
/r/seduction08/11/25 11:53 AM
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The problem here is urgency for no reason other than physical beauty, and it started on the first date. I can literally feel the "try hard" energy in your story coming off the post and through my phone, and women are 1000 fold more sensitive to urgent energy than we are, let that sink in. I almost want to vomit because it reminds me of the old me. What happened was you did not behave in a manner congruent with male mating strategy by showing urgency, the biggest demonstrator of non selection. It…
/r/seduction08/11/25 11:47 AM
1

Define "good". If you want what feels good, you are doing just fine. If you want what is actually good, you need to make changes before you become the male version of damaged goods. If you want to upgrade and date higher quality women, remove the effort from the approaches. This sounds bat shit crazy but hear me out.... You need to demonstrate you have high standards, so you need to get to a point where you are willing to turn down pussy. This is what will surround you in an aura that screams th…
/r/seduction08/11/25 11:23 AM
2

This point of view I don't necessarily disagree with on the surface level, but it restricts knowledge and information about the women a guy is dealing with if taken out of context. Sex never means nothing because everything you experience gives you knowledge. If she fucks you out of boredom or to give the middle finger to an ex or just to get it over with, it's really telling you everything you know need to know about the person. Information is power. Even if you are strictly engaging in casual …
/r/seduction08/11/25 11:11 AM
2

Believe me when I tell you that patience is the answer because it's one of the biggest demonstrators of preselection. Women will say they are all about height and money, but their actions show that they prioritize behavioral traits. Your sexual urgency is written all over you when you interact, and women see that as you not being selected by other women and they can feel nervous or unsafe, and it creates a causal loop where you get rejected or don't approach in the first place and you become eve…
/r/seduction07/11/25 09:15 PM
2

If a girl tells you your approach was generic with a negative connotation, she just wasn't interested or she is gauging how u respond to that. Non generic and creative approaching involves more thinking and premeditating than going on a whim and on instinct, and you can easily put yourself into the "try hard" energy that makes you appear not preselected and the girl feels weird or even unsafe. A man who has options feels no need to exert energy and thought into being "creative". You can be gener…
/r/seduction07/11/25 08:56 PM
2

You have to have a reputation in order for it to be ruined. If you don't have an internet presence or don't live in a small town, you are fine. Just don't approach at places that you have to return to such as the gym or your job.
/r/seduction07/11/25 06:11 PM
4

There is a difference between a woman who is hot and a woman who is sexy. A woman does not need to meet every one of my physical preferences for me to consider her sexy. I would rather have a 6 who respects me more than a 9 who respects no one. Don't think you are just taking what you can get and altering your energy output. Prioritizing behavioral traits over the tangibles actually means you have higher standards than big boobs and a fat ass and makes you appear even more preselected, so your c…
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:32 PM
0

Attraction is something that is mutually built over time with effort. Lust is instant and requires no effort. When two people are drawn to each other that knows nothing about each other, that is mutual lust because the only thing they have to go by is each other's appearance of their physical bodies. This often gets mistaken for attraction. Attraction comes via polarity like opposing poles on magnets when each person knows each other enough to know that the man behaves in a masculine manner and …
/r/seduction04/11/25 02:00 PM
1

That is an early onset of the cougar phase. Not a bad thing, what you feel is fun is a younger man's higher compliance level. If you respect him that's all that matters. Ultimately u got to do you, and idk if it's my inner dad talking...but I do recommend finding a high value man to settle with who might be a bit older before 4 more years go by as those kinds of men are less likely to provide for older women. He won't be as compliant, but you'll be secure.
/r/seduction04/11/25 01:41 PM
5

Do or do not. There is no try. Women will tell you exactly when to kiss them without using words. If the vibe is right and she is comfortable with physical touch, she will put her face near yours at some point then you kiss her without a second thought.
/r/seduction03/11/25 11:39 PM
5

I treat it as if it isn't a shit test and she's actually that kind of elitist, which is probably the case anyway. I tell her I don't see this going anywhere because I don't like the lack of manners. She either storms out or changes her tune real quick. Win win.
/r/seduction01/11/25 10:57 PM
3

Free will. Most people think based on how they feel, and in turn act based on that emotion based thinking. The correct order to behavioral control for men is to think, then act, then feel. In the past my problem was always lack of patience, and in seduction, urgency is bad. If I'm in a social situation where I would normally be anxious and feel urgent to make a good impression, instead of feeling impatient and letting my thinking and actions reflect that feeling, I step back and first think abou…
/r/seduction30/10/25 08:45 PM
4

Walk up to a woman and excuse yourself and ask if you can flirt. That's it. It's direct without overdoing it. The rest plays itself out. Either she says no or she will giggle and flirt with you.
/r/seduction30/10/25 02:22 PM
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Do not be discouraged about tangibles outside of your control, being upset about it prevents you from learning how to behave in an attractive way. Women's emotions prioritize behavioral traits. Fatness is not a conventionally attractive trait. I'm both short and fat. My girlfriend is a gymnast and on a dance team. How did I get with her? I controlled what was within my control which is my behavior. It's hard for you not because of your height, but because of your urgency from feeling like your h…
/r/seduction30/10/25 02:13 PM
8

You play into your own personality. As a lazy extrovert, you are naturally less likely to exert effort into forcing a vibe, and women love when you can attract them effortlessly. You actually have an advantage. If you haven't noticed, players are lazy around women and put their effort everywhere else. If you are your normal lazy and introverted self, you are less likely to enter into that "try hard" energy that makes men appear to not be preselected by other women. Just show up and do basic soci…
/r/seduction28/10/25 05:48 PM
1

Hell no. If I did I wouldn't have got with my current girl who is 16 years younger than me. She is more mature and caring and less combative than any woman my own age that I have dated. Just don't go to campuses if you have no legitimate business there. You find the plazas and shopping centers near the campus but off of it, that way it's a setting where it's normal for anyone from the general public to be active. My girl worked at Panera when she was an undergrad as closing manager, I met her or…
/r/seduction28/10/25 09:52 AM
2

Creating interest in women who normally wouldn't be interested is psychologically manipulative and unethical. Even if your ethics are different from my own, women eventually wake up and realize they were manipulated. This is why cheating and alimony payments happen.
/r/seduction26/10/25 07:37 PM
4

I agree, and I'll tell you why I speak like I don't. I hack my own mind. Men have to remove the p.u.a. terminology from their vocabulary, because it's exactly those terms in their brains that puts men into the "try hard" energy that makes them appear not preselected. If I want to introduce myself and talk to a woman, I'm not making a "cold approach". I'm simply socializing, if it turns into more than that, more power to me. Words have power. Even you and me can sense the difference in aura betwe…
/r/seduction26/10/25 07:32 PM
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There is a reason that normal human interactions are far more effective than "cold approach". Cold approaching with intent automatically makes a man appear not preselected by other women and triggers the girl's safety instincts. This is where their definition of "creepy" came from. Even when Chad and Tyrone can pull off a direct cold approach with sexual intent, often the girl will wake up the next day and question herself. Now approaching has a bad rep because alot of men became way too urgent …
/r/seduction26/10/25 05:19 PM
1

When I was single I had no strategy other than read the room, feel the vibe, react and respond accordingly. If you play outside of your natural social instincts based on the current setting and need strategies and tactics, gambits, bamboozles and hoodwinks, guess what? The girl senses you aren't preselected and gets weirded out thinking you can't attract other women.
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:41 PM
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You know what's funny...if Chad sends 10 straight messages, the girl feels honored and fulfilled to receive that attention. If those same 10 messages came from a guy she is either luke warm to or uninterested in, it becomes a turnoff. If the girl has a burning desire for you from the start, it's for you simply existing, not for your tactics. you don't need to premeditate or have a "plan" for how and how often to text when the girl is actually interested. You shouldn't even be dealing with any wo…
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:31 PM
4

There really was no wisdom. Stupid women like stupid behavior.
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:13 PM
1

I never acted like that with my fiance when we were first dating, she would have called the cops or took a pair of loppers to it. It took months of courting her the old way to be able to sleep with her. That only worked in the past because I was dealing with white girls at biker bars.
/r/seduction24/10/25 04:38 PM
28

I just straight up pulled out my cock, justifying it by telling myself that is what she came for anyway. Only three times, but a 100% success rate.
/r/seduction24/10/25 02:18 PM
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You aren't wrong, especially during the unholy hour from 11pm to 12am. Even women who aren't normally promiscuous definitely dress like it on Halloween, and there is a reason. Demons are most active on Halloween, which led to the tradition of wearing costumes to scare them away. It's the most revered holiday for satanists, and women are naturally deviant and susceptible to temptation. My old self would have completely leveraged the situation, but I really like my current girlfriend who plans on …
/r/seduction24/10/25 01:54 PM
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It's so simple. Players crush it with women because they know and leverage cultural anthropology even if they aren't consciously aware of it. The answer is preselection and it is so primal and powerful that female emotion prioritizes it over every other variable because it makes them feel physically safe. If the girl had a choice between the player and the nice guy...but the nice guy happened to appear to be more preselected than the player...she's going to select the nice guy. The opposite also…
/r/seduction24/10/25 01:44 PM
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You will get a lot of problems and possibly mace. Read the situations and feel the rooms and pick your targets wisely. You can cut down if not completely eliminate brutal rejection just by doing that. Sometimes it can be days or weeks between situations where it makes sense to approach. Too much of anything is a bad thing. You are gaining more experience the more you approach...but there can also be negative experience points accumulating too fast if you don't go about it right, so do everything…
/r/seduction24/10/25 04:45 AM
1

I fully agree. My response is mainly to stay congruent with the sub we are in. Seduction is one thing, starting the process of starting a family is another. With seduction you use no logic, with serious dating you use ALL your logic.
/r/seduction24/10/25 04:37 AM
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You don't find high interest women. You leverage polarity. You increase their interest by managing yours. If a girl has an interest level of 7 towards you, don't let your interest in her exceed 5 or 6. The point is you remain at a slightly lower interest level than the girl so you appear preselected and her desire increases. Don't judge a woman based on her initial interest level. Work your magic.
/r/seduction23/10/25 06:53 PM
2

It's as simple as asking her non interviewish questions and listening to her opinions and sharing yours. To ensure you aren't entering into a boring interview, speak with vibe. To do that, you refrain from asking about personal information or giving away too much of yours. If you are on a date, talk about the food, the music, the atmosphere...talk about anything not related to each other...when you do this you are speaking with more vibe than logic, and she will continuously give you material to…
/r/seduction23/10/25 06:43 PM
3

Half wrong. This holds true in the internet world, but not the real life world. Female emotion is opposite to male logic. The better you groom and dress, the more likely you are putting yourself into "try hard" energy which makes you appear not preselected. This is why a girl can roll her eyes at Chad in the suit but go home with the cowboy with the messy beard, jeans, and a beater. If you are dressing and grooming to the max, you must do so only for yourself and not for the hope of getting laid…
/r/seduction23/10/25 06:20 PM
5

Allow me to try to make it make sense as it's not my intention to mislead. Us men can show interest, we just cant be doing so the way that all the p.u.a.s claim, everything they tell you to do makes you appear not preselected and puts you into "try hard" energy. When you show traits of someone who can do better than whichever girl u are talking to, women actually compute that as a display of interest because you are showing you are competent with how polarity works. The less you care, the more s…
/r/seduction22/10/25 06:49 PM
1

Because men also have natural safety mechanics and associate trust with purity. Just as women's safety mechanisms are satisfied by preselection, men's safety mechanisms are satisfied by female sexual conservatism. If you invite 2 different girls to your place and one has slept with 4 or 5 different guys and the other has been with over 100 different men, who would you trust more to know your address or to not steal from your home?
/r/seduction22/10/25 06:35 PM
2

Yes but the female definition of trustworthiness is different, because female emotion opposes male logic. To us men, the less sexual experience the woman has, the more we can trust her. To women, it's the opposite. Women feel like the more preselected the man is by other women, the more they can trust him to be a safe bet to sleep with. Don't worry about acting like a trustworthy man. Worry about behaving like a man that already has women.
/r/seduction22/10/25 05:49 PM
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It all boils down to what women consider the most attractive trait, which is preselection. If a woman is on a date with a man, if he is first to flirt or initiate a kiss, she can easily mistake it as "try hard" energy or urgency, and she feels like the man is not preselected. If a guy can get through the whole date without kissing or flirting and maintains neutrality, the girl's ego assumes the only way he isn't acting more urgent is if he has options of equal or higher quality, and her natural …
/r/seduction22/10/25 02:58 PM
6

Have an ego. Be slightly offended that the girl thinks she can just easily have you without having to earn you. If you are offended, you won't act nervous and you are removing effort, so polarity kicks in and she gives effort. Feel offended; but don't act hostile, you can still keep things light and playful using that offended feeling as your material source. You can say stuff like, "We should at least exchange names before you keep picturing me naked" or "why the wishful thinking, I just met yo…
/r/seduction18/10/25 07:20 PM
3

The solution is to cut all these girls off, including the one you are trying to stay friends with and start with a clean slate. Going forward, remember that it takes no skill or effort to sleep with a bunch of women simultaneously. Seeing one woman at a time in this modern hookup culture and finding one who is loyal and actually building a foundation of commitment actually requires backbone, time, and massive effort, and you will feel more fulfilled than at any point when you were going around.
/r/seduction17/10/25 06:27 PM
1

Just be chill. Chill is the opposite of urgent. It's possible to win over groups of people that you are technically not a part of if you are patient with it and speak patiently. Cool guy=patient man. It's all about social exposure. When I was in my early 20s I didn't go to university as a student, but I was a landscaper at the school and my band also played at the surrounding venues. I became friends with some of the frat and sorority leaders though the natural course of my routines and hobbies,…
/r/seduction17/10/25 06:17 PM
11

When I was single I rarely wanted the girl to know where I live, especially if she is willing to sleep with me right away. I almost never did one night stands at home and very few fwbs knew where I lived. I got a secured credit card for the purpose of cranking up my scores, but I actually had to use it, so I used it on hotels. If a girl is attracted to you enough to sleep with you right away, she's not going to be nitpicky about the logistics, she will often take the logistics into her own hands…
/r/seduction15/10/25 11:11 AM
0

Confidence is essential for all areas of life so I can't call it overrated. The foundation for confidence, however; is criminally underrated and not discussed enough. The source of your confidence is what backs it up: your competence. Competence is very important specifically in seduction because your masculine identity is derived from your competence in your chosen field of study or occupation. Your competence also signals your primal ability as a hunter/gatherer to acquire and accumulate resou…
/r/seduction13/10/25 02:34 PM
1

People aren't supposed to shit where they eat. The more a human being isn't supposed to do something (or someone), the more that human being wants to do that something or someone.
/r/seduction10/10/25 10:12 PM
13

Assuming you meant consciously seducing as in seducing overtly....you intentionally adopt, practice and execute external patient behaviors so you appear more preselected than most men, and you actually become a more patient person internally as a side effect. You can literally out perform the Chad at the bar just by speaking with a more patient tone and cadence than he does. Most of us grew up seeing lots of TV or streaming. In all forms of media, time is money, so in advertising and marketing..…
/r/seduction10/10/25 03:06 PM
3

Be careful. The way you look at someone creates energy. If you put thought or effort into how you are using your eyes, it can easily cause you to create "try hard" energy that makes you appear not preselected. I personally know autistic men that can't make eye contact or understand social cues to save their life, yet in the offline world they get more ass than a toilet seat and don't even know why. It's because their obliviousness as to how facial expressions and eyes work creates effortless ene…
/r/seduction09/10/25 01:33 PM
4

Girls will come back weeks or even months later if they know you will spend money on them, so they will dangle a carrot in front of you while you are running on a treadmill yet going nowhere. Run somewhere...far away from her.
/r/seduction07/10/25 11:18 PM
3

Remain congruent with the guy she liked enough to date. Having opposing behavioral traits can be good for male/female polarity. In fact the more talkative and crazy she gets, the more effective your silent patience and nonchalance becomes because you are reaffirming congruence, if she herself is not stable whether verbally or otherwise, she would be attracted to a calmer guy who can be a steady rock that she can count on
/r/seduction04/10/25 02:11 PM
134

Medical facilities and family court.
/r/seduction02/10/25 02:31 PM
-6

You could always ask them out instead of trying to be a psychic
/r/seduction01/10/25 09:55 PM
4

Nothing wrong with you. When you are legitimately not interested, the girl's ego assumes that the only way you can't be interested is that you are preselected. That's why girls keep going back to these pricks who treat them badly and don't do much for them and refuse to commit. When you are interested, the girl assumes you aren't preselected and not able to do better than her. How do you win? Manage your interest level. Don't pretend to be not interested at all. You just have to remain less inte…
/r/seduction01/10/25 07:54 PM
2

If there were so many restaurants that i can't decide, I would have to eat either way, so I would let other people make the decision for me and I would select the most well reviewed restaurant. This parable shows why Chad and Tyrone are more successful in 2025 than ever before while the vast majority of men now struggle. All that matters is perceived preselection, and the only way girls can perceive it over dating apps is through pictures. Tone can't be conveyed through dms.
/r/seduction29/09/25 11:10 PM
18

The best way to not feel like a creep is not to act like one. Understand how women define "creep". To female emotions, a creep is a grown man who appears like he is not preselected by other women. This is what the vast majority of men are missing. There even exist men who are preselected by don't even know how to behave like it. Preselection satisfies safety mechanisms, non selection does the opposite and makes them feel physically startled like a deer in headlights, hence the feeling of being c…
/r/seduction29/09/25 08:37 PM
1

If they are breaking even in quality level, consider each of their fathers' quality level and presence in their lives.
/r/seduction29/09/25 08:16 PM
8

When they are bombarded with unmanageable volume, each type of message and request loses perceived value regardless of actual value.
/r/seduction29/09/25 08:10 PM
3

After finally learning how to attract women and have abundance by my early 30s, i started juggling for years. Not to be a player but to rack up the experience needed to know what to look for when it's time to find a wife and start a family. I've now been with my fiance for almost 3 years. I can tell you with certainty based on the trials and tribulations, that if you are in doubt, always choose the girl who uses social media the least. In 2025, this is the biggest green flag. 90% of all drama an…
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:28 PM
1

You keep the initial approach short, simple, and to the point. In fact, use a time constraint to exit the interaction and see if she will agree to hang out to continue talking. As for subject matter after you greet her and she responds positively, use the o.s.a. communication method. Observe, share, ask. This is a good base for interacting with anybody you want. Make an observation based on the present moment whether it be about her or the surrounding environment or the social situation at hand,…
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:11 PM
-3

Top reason men aren't having sex in 2025 is plain and simple: They aren't masculine enough. Even worse, many men pretend to agree that masculinity is toxic so they align with "progressive" narrative. Look around. The vast majority of men have no backbone and hand out free validation to any woman regardless of her qualities and personality and are falsely agreeable to everything they say. This is what caused hoflation and now a 4 thinks she is a 10 and feels entitled to Chad.
/r/seduction29/09/25 06:57 PM
4

In my experience, the more detached you are, the more the girl shows interest and tries to close the gap. Too much communication too early can spoil the mystery for the girl. Skip the small talk and connecting or at least minimize the exchange of information to the bare basics..and see if she wants to go out, she already knows what you want regardless so get straight to the point to get your answers.
/r/seduction29/09/25 04:06 PM
3

I don't say anything more than "I'm meeting people" This way I don't come off as either a womanizer or an unselected man.
/r/seduction29/09/25 02:21 PM
23

Fuck facing rejection, that will just keep it on your mind. I'm not disagreeing with the concept in the post. I'm presenting a mind hack. When you are angry or have any other negative emotions, anyone who has been involved in the mental health industry knows that you don't try to face it or fight it or bottle it up....you let it go, it's the only way for it to be gone. Same applies to rejection, it's both an emotion that you feel as well as an action that was taken. You disregard rejection. If y…
/r/seduction28/09/25 11:53 PM
1

The same things affect both genders, those things are perceived differently. Women perceive with their emotions while men perceive with their logic, which creates this dicotomy.
/r/seduction28/09/25 03:15 PM
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No judging here, I try to help both genders and both genders make the same mistake....thinking that the things that attract them also attract the opposite gender. Push/pull does not work on mens emotions the same way it works on female emotions. Women see it as a challenge and an emotional roller coaster...men with any kind of self esteem see it as an insult... You push us, good luck reeling us back in. The other thing is men respond to displays of preselection the opposite way that women do. Wo…
/r/seduction28/09/25 12:38 PM
3

Let them. Preselection comes at a price.
/r/seduction26/09/25 10:08 PM
1

One is worse than none. Two is meh. Three is the magic number.
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:47 PM
3

I gave up on motivation. Self motivation is irrelevant, it requires you to feel certain types of ways. Determination regardless of how you feel is everything.
/r/seduction26/09/25 04:12 PM
3

You don't put women who you don't want into the friend zone. Women want what they can't have, so if you friend zone her she will likely develop feelings and pursue you only to get hurt. Here's a neat method: Put the quality girls that you DO want into the friend zone. Their ego will assume that the only way you could possibly do that is if you are preselected by other women of equal or higher quality, which makes them feel physically safe with you and they will exert the effort of pursuit, relie…
/r/seduction26/09/25 01:57 PM
-3

As a teenager, I learned from my older lesbian friends. They aren't afraid to say the things that straight women won't. They both used to be bi, and the butch and the feminine one both agreed that if a girl compliments your features without specifying which features, it's almost always about the bulge in your pants. The other possibilities are your jawline or v-taper. Many men think the first thing a woman glances at is your shoes based on where their eyes tend to go. They aren't looking at your…
/r/seduction26/09/25 01:24 PM
2

Women are naturally attracted to what is bad. Anyone can change via their own free will and become who they want, but there exists different natural defaults for men and women. You just need any and every opportunity to spout your far left buzzwords to make you feel better about hating truth.
/r/seduction25/09/25 11:49 PM
2

There is no grey area. She is either interested or not, and if she is: it's simply for you existing. The hard part is discernment as to whether her behaviors are indicating disinterest or if she is testing your patience and preselection because she is interested...because either way they pull back....so patience gives u all the answers. A hard shot where you make your interest known directly really is no different than a more passive soft shot, because they already know what we want either way, …
/r/seduction25/09/25 11:15 PM
1

Exert maximum effort into everything you do....but pleasing women is the lone exception. Do not exert effort into pleasing a woman....because they can wake up the next day and want something different. If she landed the rich guy with a brain and a feminine side that she pursued, she might wake up and decide she wants the masculine, blue collar idiot. If she landed the masculine blue collar idiot that she pursued, she might wake up and decide that she wants the rich guy with a brain and a feminin…
/r/seduction25/09/25 08:12 PM
1

Sort of. What is more important than moving on is to stop caring. If they don't like you, you don't care, if they do like you, you don't care. As fucked up as this sounds; you need to get to the point where you don't even care if you get cheated on. It's at that point that not only will women pursue you, they will actually not want to cheat and will likely be loyal to you, whether or not you are exclusive.
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:48 PM
1

That is about 3 per day. Do what a good body builder would do and push out more reps than what your own quota calls for.
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:17 PM
26

The male reality equation is bullshit. Those are things that are important to us men for the sake of competing. Women see attraction through a female lens, which is obviously different from ours. Women prioritize behavioral traits. Indifference to beauty and sexual patience is what women see as the male reality equation, because those traits signal you are preselected, which is the main thing women consider when deciding to select you You can have all the money and status and looks and social sk…
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:09 PM
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If they do stop their shit and you proceed to give them attention, they will know you are dependent on the outcome to a degree and you will appear even less preselected and u could ruin your chances with other women involved in your routines. Stay congruent, don't shift your behavior. Remain oblivious and let some other options present themselves, any girl who openly insults you because they couldn't easily get your validation does not deserve it.
/r/seduction25/09/25 06:57 PM
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I see now. Eliminate p.u.a. words and terms in your mind. The terms "cold approaching" and "pulling" put you into "try hard" energy. Even if you aren't consciously giving too much effort, women are far more sensitive to the subconscious than we are. You shouldn't have any intent for a woman you don't know yet, because it's not ethical to judge based on appearance, especially if her appearance is pleasing to the eye. Your only intent should be to have a regular, positive conversation, fully prepa…
/r/seduction25/09/25 06:48 PM
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The downvotes would not be there if I wasn't referencing The Torah (The old testament). This is reddit, if religious connotation is perceived, it's automatically considered bad even if religious connotation was not the intent. The intent was to give an analysis using a widely known source that is relevant according to my own experience.
/r/seduction25/09/25 05:59 PM
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This is actually easy to explain as I experimented for myself before getting with my current girl. Hot girls are easier to talk to and attract than average or subpar girls. It's a positive side effect of internet cultivated "hoflation" that no one saw coming. Thanks to social media and infinite validation from men in the palm of their hand, 4s 5s and 6s are fully convinced that they are 8s 9s and 10s and developed a false sense of entitlement. Make no mistake, the hot girls know where they rank.…
/r/seduction25/09/25 05:55 PM
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There is no need to feel like a loser, celebacy is one of the highest forms of strength....if that celebacy is voluntary. If your celebacy is involuntary, that means you have something against women that is making you behave in unattractive ways. This is why lefties on the internet changed the definition of incel from "involuntary celebrant" to "misogynist" and made it a buzzword. Note that not every virgin is an incel, u can still get sex if you behave right...I'm using the terms to demonstrate…
/r/seduction25/09/25 05:43 PM
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Genesis. The book gives irrefutable lessons about female nature, even within the first few chapters. The serpent couldn't deceive Adam directly, so he deceived Eve to compel her to tempt Adam, knowing he would cave to her beauty. Adam's default nature was righteous up until he was afraid of not getting laid. Eves default nature was more deviant, making her more susceptible to temptation, which is why the serpent used Eve to leverage Adam's lust. Once you understand that a woman's default nature …
/r/seduction25/09/25 05:13 PM
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You don't suddenly try to "wake up". You keep being socially oblivious. Obliviousness can actually be perceived as a preselection trait, it's what attracted them in the first place... now you act oblivious in a calculated and intentional manner. Women are sore losers and can't stand when they don't get the attention that they wanted, so when they start the insults, you remain as non reactive as you did before.
/r/seduction25/09/25 02:41 PM
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I can discern a specific lesson from all of this. It's all about competence in your chosen field...the core of your masculine identity and status among your peers . Competence is above appearance and even confidence. In college this guy was competent in his field of study, after college he wasn't as competent in his field of work in comparison, and his results moved in parallel with said competence...not a coincidence. This whole concept is why "the dj" or "the bouncer" or "the owner" at the clu…
/r/seduction25/09/25 02:33 PM
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Yes, it's makes women feel physically safe around you. The term "creepy" translated from womanesse actually means not preselected. You don't have to worry about "faking it". Women prioritize perceived value that they can observe over actual value that they cannot. This is why it's entirely possible to emulate the behaviors of a preselected man in order to become one.
/r/seduction25/09/25 01:39 PM
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I'm actually very ok with mutual neutrality until me and the woman actually knows a little bit about each other, both overt and covert can be part of a game, indifference in the beginning is good balance
/r/seduction24/09/25 10:42 PM
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If you are already that far in, just accept it and hold on a little longer you went that long without it so you can develop patience easier than most. The more you want sex, the more urgent you appear and the less likely you are to behave in an attractive way and the less likely you will get sex. Lust is not only a ball and chain on your mindset, it is a turnoff to women because it shows you aren't preselected. You know you are where you have to be when you can have an intimate date without feel…
/r/seduction24/09/25 04:58 PM
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They PRETEND to treat you better because when you have big money, it becomes about what you have and not who you are. Make your money, then don't talk about it.
/r/seduction24/09/25 11:56 AM
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Guys, this is exactly why you should completely shut off your phone one day per week.
/r/seduction22/09/25 10:45 PM
7

I've definitely met some post wall women with absent fathers when I was younger. You had your fun. Now run. To your primary care physician🤣
/r/seduction22/09/25 10:43 PM
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Get your mind out of the negative. It's not always a rejection. "We'll see" can be translated from womanesse to English as: "I like you, so I'm going to see how patient you are to confirm you are as preselected as I originally thought". Either way, patience gives u the answers.
/r/seduction22/09/25 03:30 PM
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I used to be all about the innocent face...until I learned it was all part of the deception. Overt women are more likely to be honest.
/r/seduction21/09/25 10:14 PM
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Moses was not allowed to go with his people into the promised land for his failure to use his words at The Waters of Strife. He just did things as he always did by striking the rock with his staff. It's all about verbalizing... your choice of words and how you spin things. You can be well traveled and do all the interesting stuff there is to do, but it's only actually interesting if you present it that way. Convey both the highs and lows so whoever you are talking to can feel the wavelengths of …
/r/seduction20/09/25 04:25 PM
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Yes it's normal. In fact, the more you get right, the more likely she is to ghost. There is logical reasoning based on irrational female emotion. When the date goes well and you did everything right, female emotion assumes you aren't preselected. Doing everything right can be mistaken as you having "try hard" energy as if you can't do better than her. I remember my first real date with my current girl, and I actually had some uncharacteristic brash and rude moments because I didn't like how snob…
/r/seduction20/09/25 02:52 PM
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You can conversate without "cold approaching", it's called normal socializing with regular conversation. You initiate the conversation, she initiates the flirting if she selects you...because flirtatiousness is a feminine trait. Talk to whoever you cross paths with in commission of your routines and activities without going out of your way. If you remove the "giddy" feeling and withhold your intent until you know some things about her, she will see your lack of urgency as a high demand trait and…
/r/seduction19/09/25 08:26 PM
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I try to compare dating to specific sales situations, mainly demand. A salesman at a Chrysler dealership needs to cold call and email all day to generate leads because the product is known to be defective and not in high demand. He needs to find and approach customers and try to convince them. A salesman at a Toyota dealership is too busy servicing walk ins and taking phone inquiries because the product is proven and high in demand. Customers approach him, the leads generate themselves and they …
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:22 PM
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You have to be the paragon of masculine patience whenever you are questioning how to proceed. I have had girls that I have completely forgot about after they have cancelled or ghosted, and even after a month or more of no communicating, some reached out and came back around for sex, and in my current case, an ltr. It's easy to think that a girl canceling a couple times means she is not into you, but there is always the possibility she is testing your patience to gauge how masculine and preselect…
/r/seduction18/09/25 11:29 PM
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You accidentally figured out that women not only like men who don't like them, they will initiate the pursuit and escalation. This is data you can carry forward. You maybe aren't a pussy, you may have been questioning the whole situation as it may not have made sense to you so u got cold feet. If you feel you can do better than the girl you are talking to or you are not even attracted to her; her female ego assumes the only way you aren't too urgent or too into her is if you are preselected by o…
/r/seduction18/09/25 11:12 PM
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Tense energy manifests in many forms, but it's source is your thinking, feeling, and acting with urgency. The sense of urgency outside of emergency situations is toxic. Urgency shows you are compensating for a shortcoming in any aspect of life. Specifically when it comes to seduction, what you are compensating for is lack of options. If you show you are not patient, you are also appearing like you are not preselected. That actually makes girls feel unsafe. Solution: slow everything down. If you …
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:25 PM
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The kind of assertive that shows you aren't preselected: Him: "We are having dinner at Outback, Friday at 8pm, dress nice". Her rolls eyes and checks i.g. for other options The kind of assertive that shows you lead yourself: Him: I'm going to hit up Outback on Friday after work if you would like to join me. Her: "sounds good" dresses nice
/r/seduction17/09/25 08:03 AM
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It's easier than it seems, you need to be the one guy she seen all year that can have a normal human conversation with her without making it a "cold approach". You remove "cold approach" and all p.u.a. terminology from your vocabulary, and like magic; you are also removing "try hard" energy from your socializing so you appear preselected and safe. Literally just socialize like normal and say hello to 100 hot girls in your first month without breaking your stride or trying to stop them in their t…
/r/seduction16/09/25 11:30 PM
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This is exactly why "taking the lead as the man" is bad advice and makes women laugh at you inside their own mind. Doing that shows you care about the outcome hence aren't preselected so she gets turned off and exits. An overall good leader knows which aspects of life to lead in and which to let be. Don't lead her, lead yourself and she will follow willingly.
/r/seduction16/09/25 05:23 PM
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You do absolutely nothing because you should be too busy having options that are willing to communicate with you.
/r/seduction15/09/25 06:52 PM
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Talk about anything present moment related. Talk about the food, the music, the vibe, the atmosphere. Don't even ask questions or talk about each other that much. You want to speak with vibe and fun energy and not logic. Also don't mistake charisma for high energy...you want to be charismatic at heart but have a tranquil temperament and talk low and slow so you don't seem like you feel the need to exert effort into pleasing the person. Don't talk about future related stuff such as the next date …
/r/seduction14/09/25 07:46 PM
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Talk about anything present moment related. Talk about the food, the music, the vibe, the atmosphere. Don't even ask questions are talk about each other that much. You want to speak with vibe and fun energy and not logic. Also don't mistake charisma for high energy...you want to be charismatic at heart but have a tranquil temperament and talk low and slow so you don't seem like you feel the need to exert effort into pleasing the person. Don't talk about future related stuff such as the next date…
/r/seduction14/09/25 07:46 PM
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Offer to help him clean his house and show up in a French maid outfit. Simple yet effective.
/r/seduction14/09/25 12:08 AM
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Sry for the late response. Offering to reschedule usually shows good faith that she had a legitimate reason to cancel and she still wants to see you....if the time and day is left open for discussion. From what I've seen, setting the time for a reschedule instead of talking out which time works best for both of you is to see if the man is instantly available for that time. They know most guys that have a life of abundance in purpose and dating would have already made other plans. Any compliance …
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:39 PM
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I would have never responded in the first place. Not only did she flake with almost no advance notice, she suggested to reschedule with a set time. Offering to reschedule is usually a good sign, but in this situation she set a specific time, which means it was a blatant compliance test. You were available for that time without question so she started playing even more games. Keep in mind even if you recognized the test and passed it...do you really want to deal with someone who is so disrespectf…
/r/seduction12/09/25 03:55 PM
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Just be sexually patient. Most men are not. If you aren't urgent, her ego is going to wonder why...
/r/seduction11/09/25 11:40 PM
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Lust is sexual desire with urgency. When women detect even a hint of that in a man, her emotions assume he isn't preselected and she can actually feel unsafe. If you were selected by other women, you might want to nail the girl but you wouldn't be urgent about it. Feeling horny is natural, but you can be patient with that and hit a punching bag to burn the testosterone. When you are so urgent to have sex that it becomes something you need more than your actual important priorities, you fall into…
/r/seduction11/09/25 11:38 PM
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Ask yourself why you should even care. If you are still alive and still get paid, why are you going to let outcomes with women make you feel a certain type of way? The answer is lust. Get rid of it. Sex isn't a bad thing; feeling like you need sex is the bad thing.
/r/seduction11/09/25 08:19 PM
1

The thing about mental mind hacks is the stuff you tell yourself to create that mind hack does not have to actually be true, you just need to believe it.
/r/seduction10/09/25 06:00 PM
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Refraining from entering into "try hard" energy is the priority because it's incredibly easy to slip into without realizing it, especially when dealing with an 8,9, or 10. The #1 trait that attracts women is preselection, trying too hard signals non-selection.
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:57 PM
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Mexico City. You're welcome.
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:51 PM
2

The fucked up thing is even if you have actual preselection value, women only see perceived preselection that they can sense in your subconscious. This is exactly why you need a 7 in your back pocket. Women can sense outcome dependence on a universal level via the pineal gland. Some cultures refer to it as the third eye or top chakra. You don't even need to be physically present or socially engaged for the girl to sense that you question if you can do better. The hotter the girl, the harder it i…
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:38 PM
1

A good amount of men started ignoring women. Just as many ignore them as those who try too hard with them. Either the guy is trying too hard or ignoring her outright. If you want to stand out from the crowd, you create sexual tension by being socially engaged with her, but your indifferent mindset and detached temperament make her question your interest level so you appear preselected by other women. You can flirt back or even compliment her, it's all about signaling that the outcome doesn't mat…
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:18 PM
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The more likely reason is that she somehow sensed that one time may not have been enough for you, making her convince herself that u have trouble doing better than her. This is why alot of men are starting to pull back first after hooking up because the girl will pull back either way...either to test your patience if she is still interested or cut you off if she is not.
/r/seduction10/09/25 04:41 PM
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I know many pale skinned women that date black dudes specifically. It's not about your race or locality or even your archetype, only you set your limits. It's about how you behave, if you feel you are struggling you are going to subconsciously show urgency. The whole reason the rappers and the ballers are so successful isn't even because of their status, it's their ability to remain nonchalant and laid back in settings with many different women so their preselection is not only seen, it's felt.
/r/seduction10/09/25 03:39 PM
2

I'm saying hygiene is the bare minimum, which means overkilling it shows outcome dependence.
/r/seduction09/09/25 12:53 PM
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You create sexual tension. Sexual tension develops when there exists an obstacle that stops two people that are attracted to each other from having sex. In a farmers daughter scenario, the obstacle is the dad and his shotgun. With this knowledge, you can manufacture the obstacles at will to generate the tension. The obstacles can be physical, mental, emotional, and even theoretical. If the girl is already on the date with you, it is very likely you were initially attracted to each other, so that…
/r/seduction08/09/25 08:54 PM
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There are two types of ghosting. The first type of ghosting is when the girl either got cold feet or is completely done with you. Nothing you can do about that. The other scenario is she is actually interested and ghosts you to test your sexual patience so she can gauge how preselected you are. Every other kind of shit test that exists is also based on this concept. Often the girl will want you to reach out first but not too fast. This is where you wait at least three days then send one text but…
/r/seduction08/09/25 08:37 PM
2

They are well aware that everything is an act. The beauty of it is that if you are their type, they don't even care. This is why when Barney Stinson ran his "plays", the women were fully aware that he was full of shit and they went home with him anyway.
/r/seduction08/09/25 08:31 PM
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This just screams feminine energy and try hard energy. Women like to see that kind of work put in but that don't mean they will fuck you for it if they subconscious feel turned off. You want to look like you are bad. Overdoing the hygiene routine will give the opposite effect. Get regular haircuts and lineups, keep your beard tight and nails short, shower like normal, find a cologne that blends well with your natural scent instead of covering your natural scent with multiple layers, don't be afr…
/r/seduction08/09/25 07:32 PM
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Utilize social media and your social circle to subtly make sure the different women know about each other while making it look like you are still operating covertly. They might get bat shit pissed but they will also likely have sex with you. Women will sleep with a preselected man even if they don't like him.
/r/seduction08/09/25 07:14 PM
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It's a psychology thing. Make no mistake, blowing a kiss IS validation and our male logic knows that. Female emotion is opposite to male logic. If you are intentionally blowing the kiss behind the dues back from outside a 1 on 1 interaction, it's perceived by female emotions as a temptation and not validation. Her female deviant nature is speaking to her louder than her brain.
/r/seduction07/09/25 04:51 PM
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In my experience, alot of girls do only see one guy at a time, but they are never the type that you think would be ethical. The more prude and innocent the girl appears, the more deceptive she is and the more plates she spins. They are covert with how they operate. Then there are the girls that look like hos and act like hos and sometimes even say that they are hos...they are more likely to be honest with you because they operate overtly. Every girl I knew for a fact was only sleeping with me or…
/r/seduction06/09/25 12:41 PM
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It's called the validation vacuum, it's making a move before it is even my turn. I stopped doing it a long time ago because it's dark psychology, but it's almost a requirement in bar and club settings. Approaching in itself is, to a degree; an automatic display of validation. The girl is getting a lot of that validation, so you basically have to vacuum it out of the air, and redirect it to yourself so she is relieved from the weight of it, and you are the one guy in the place that is taking vali…
/r/seduction06/09/25 12:32 PM
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You might feel like you are going backwards because you are getting used to approaching, and the more you do it, the more your own instincts are trying to tell you that by "cold approaching" you are automatically perceived by the girl's emotions as not preselected before you can even show that you are or could be. This is where that ill utilized and overused word "creepy" comes from. That is the catch 22 that men are overlooking. Sometimes for that reason the girl can be super interested in you …
/r/seduction04/09/25 11:08 PM
2

I keep hope while removing care, because once you stop caring, you are liberated and things are looking up so you can stay hopeful for that reason. You just need to hope for the right things, pussy is a mere side quest. The best demonstration of the right mindset came from Costanza when he decided to do everything the direct opposite of how he normally does it, and walked right up to a woman and literally announced he was unemployed and lived with his parents and it worked...because he was 1000%…
/r/seduction04/09/25 10:40 PM
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Women rarely spend nights alone and are experts at making it look like they are. If it isn't you in her bed it's someone else. She very well could really like you more than whoever else she is seeing, but girls do sleep with guys they don't even like and consider it normal...liking someone is not a requirement for hooking up with them.
/r/seduction04/09/25 05:15 PM
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She likely was attracted to you enough to make out with you to test the waters, but maybe she just didn't see you as an upgrade over whoever she is actively sleeping with. If that's the hottest girl you made out with, take it as a victory and keep making out with other women at that hotness level and eventually some will hook up with you.
/r/seduction04/09/25 04:14 PM
2

Everything is a gimmick, but you can't learn seduction from female family. You can be vulnerable to your female family and take care of them and treat them well and they appreciate it because they are family. What you can learn from female family is what not to do. If you try to treat women you want to date in the same manner, their emotions assume you must not be able to do better than them and they actually feel unsafe because of that. They want to see you care for your family, but they themse…
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:58 PM
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You say hello with neutral energy like you would to any other stranger without breaking your stride. She is there to get shopping done, anything more than a normal greeting is too much and can be perceived as urgency, this is exactly why that word "creepy" is used too much, what it actually means is she assumes you aren't preselected. A guy with options has no need to run elaborate game at a grocery store, he has normal conversations. A simple, normal greeting gives her a no pressure option to r…
/r/seduction04/09/25 11:34 AM
4

Know that showing emotion is, in reality; a strength, but different categories of people perceive it different. It's not a bad thing to cry in front of a woman and be vulnerable because it's a form of strength to have the balls to disregard societal conditioning to let it out....as long as the woman, in this case; is your mother or grandma. A woman you want to hook up with or start a relationship with won't see crying as a strength, just another way to justify disqualifying you. In the past I wo…
/r/seduction03/09/25 11:58 PM
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Certain women will verbally flirt with absolutely everyone. The vast majority of women will only initiate physical touch with a man if she feels attracted and/or comfortable with him, even if it's regular socially acceptable touching. The physical touch is what to look for, even if they make it seem like an accident, it is them telling you directly without words that they want you to make a move.
/r/seduction03/09/25 09:19 PM
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Just be aware that sleeping with lots of different women and having lots of one night stands will just make that void feel even bigger. You can live the single life with no plans of seeking commitment and have your fun, but the only way to address that void you feel is to have a priority higher than pussy so you can feel fulfilled by getting things done that actually matter.
/r/seduction03/09/25 09:03 PM
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I find "hello", said with a patient and neutral tone; to be a highly effective ice breaker. Just getting the greeting out kills the nerves regardless of the results. After the greeting her response will make it clear if she wants to talk to you or not, and the key is that you really can't care either way. The less you care, the less urgent you appear. The biggest turn off to women is sexual urgency because it signals you can't get sex elsewhere. (Non-selection) It's all about not demonstrating u…
/r/seduction03/09/25 08:57 PM
1

The thing about women is you can't care at all. You can't care if you don't get laid, you can't care if you do get laid, you can't carry "try hard" energy, because if you do; you appear to them as not preselected. Not caring about results either way they could go is the key to freeing your mind and having fun and developing discipline simultaneously. Vacation is the perfect time to dial in the right mindset because it's low social risk if you stumble because you don't live there. Be indifferent …
/r/seduction03/09/25 12:12 AM
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That anxiety and doubt is actually the result of male evolution. Men developed safety mechanisms over time to prevent the consequences of a botched approach, which used to be exile from the tribe or flogging or execution. That gut feeling you get when you see a hottie comes from fearing for your life without knowing it because your genetics still think they live in the tribal era because they didn't have enough time to evolve and adapt to the modern age, which has only started a few hundred year…
/r/seduction02/09/25 08:33 PM
2

I understand. If you can force yourself to watch it sometime, you can get into the minds of most men born before 1990. If you can tolerate watching the whole thing together with a man, he will likely propose.
/r/seduction02/09/25 05:21 PM
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Do it. Women are turned on by men that don't like them because those men don't show urgency that turns the women off. You can get some sex while getting a rolling start on building preselection value because light switches exist. Women are like the stock market, you have to have some form of money to make better money. Your first options may not be the prettiest but having options autocorrects your behaviors so you can attract higher quality women.
/r/seduction02/09/25 05:17 PM
2

Send him Die Hard memes. He will feel like you already know his soul. All straight men over 35 love Die Hard and consider it a Christmas movie.
/r/seduction02/09/25 05:10 PM
0

Put her in the friend zone and actually be friends in a detached manner. It sounds batshit but it's not bullshit because female emotion is opposite to male logic. She is college age and you don't live near her, so it's all but guaranteed that she will pull back and see other guys...but you can pull back first and gain leverage. I met my current girl when she was a 1st year grad student and went to school out of state. She was 22 and did gymnastics her whole life, she knew she was hot and acted l…
/r/seduction02/09/25 04:56 PM
2

Very minimal thinking and planning is required. It's all about what NOT to do. All you have to do is know what turns women off and proceed to not turn her off. A turnoff is anything that shows you aren't preselected by other women, that is anthropology 101. The biggest indicator of non selection is urgency. You get at least 2 other women to agree to go out with you before you ask out the girl that you like. Everything good happens in threes. That might require talking to dozens of other girls, w…
/r/seduction02/09/25 02:45 PM
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Doing everything right is interpreted by female emotions as outcome dependence on the man's part, as if he has to exert effort into keeping her pleased so she doesn't go anywhere.To women, outcome dependence and/or sexual urgency signals that the man is not preselected. This is why guys get ghosted after a "great" first date and they gaslight themselves into thinking they did something wrong, when all that happened was their good conduct was perceived as urgency. This is why husbands who always …
/r/seduction01/09/25 12:18 PM
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Women prioritize how preselected you are over everything else. Being a "good man" and showing good social skills and doing everything right makes women think you don't have options even if you do. With that said, no amount of physical improvement can stimulate the deepest level of attraction, it's how you behave. Actually treat them as any other humans that piss and shit, be indifferent to beauty.
/r/seduction30/08/25 10:27 PM
8

Just focus on being bad. Everything else you do is to improve on is for the things that men consider masculine, the female definition is different.
/r/seduction30/08/25 10:19 PM
2

In the west talking to strangers is completely normal as long as you are trying to get something out of them. Capitalism baby😎
/r/seduction29/08/25 01:39 AM
2

It's because urgency can blind the sharpest eyes.
/r/seduction28/08/25 11:07 PM
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A girl that is interested might pull back for 1 to 3 days no matter what you do just so the dynamic remains valuable and doesn't get spoiled and she can gauge your patience. If you hear nothing for more than 3 days, take that as a confirmation she was never interested and just taking the free attention. I've had all these same issues in the past. Personally, what I did was play into my introverted side and ceased all texting and DMing except for confirming dates. Any other communication I ensure…
/r/seduction28/08/25 08:15 PM
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You answered your own question. You watched countless videos and read countless articles, which gives you strategies and tactics. Content creators will not tell you that it is the content and the jargon itself that puts you into "try hard" energy and makes you actually appear less preselected than when you didn't have the tactics, which is why you are doing worse than before. Your subconscious expects good results because you now have tactics to utilize, and you become consciously disappointed. …
/r/seduction28/08/25 07:45 PM
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Women will purposely give indicators of interest to both men they like and also guys they have zero interest in...because female emotions are opposite to male logic...but I can give a logical explanation. Women send signals to different men in order to assess the general safety of their surroundings. They send out iois to test who is reactive and who is non chalant, regardless of her actual interest level in each guy around her. Think of an ioi as a peaceful deterrent. With that said, indicators…
/r/seduction28/08/25 06:22 PM
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Artificial communication is a turn off to women. Any form of communication where you can't control context or tone of voice is considered to be sexually urgent even if it isn't, which makes you appear not preselected even if you are. Nearly every woman I've ever known has social media and dating apps with hundreds of internet based options...that they use for attention, the guys they actually sleep with or start a relationship with, they met through social circle or through their routines and ac…
/r/seduction28/08/25 06:09 PM
0

I try to refrain from asking too many questions so the vibe is light and fun instead of "interviewish" I'll make statements containing descriptive adjectives that naturally garner a response that gives answers, such as cold reads based on present moment observations. If I notice she has a tribal armband tattoo for example, I'll say something like "Based on your refreshingly retro ink i guess you graduated mid 2000s" She will either confirm or deny and likely keep branching the conversation with …
/r/seduction28/08/25 05:31 PM
3

My whole point is it will affect your professional success. Lifestyles have consequences. Women talk no matter how discreet you are, if you had a work affair, your office already knows all about you even if they don't say it. Think about how small a price it is to pay to find a new job or profession compared to the price paid by the providers who get cheated on with guys like you and end up paying alimony.
/r/seduction27/08/25 07:48 PM
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You don't hide. The more people talk and the more your reputation as a "slut" grows, the more your preselection value increases and the more abundant your options become. Women want exactly what they say they don't. Manwhores are publicly hated and secretly admired. The other men are the problem. Any guy who is against you having casual affairs would change their tune real quick if they had the opportunity to do the same. The second they start pulling is the exact second they stop caring about w…
/r/seduction27/08/25 06:26 PM
4

You don't switch targets. You let your targets share you. Sleep with your original target, and her friend is very likely to suddenly want you due to IRL confirmable preselection...natures most potent aphrodisiac. then it is up to them to decide what is best (or worst)for their friendship; if they are going to share you openly or secretly, or if the original target will back off and let the friend have you.
/r/seduction26/08/25 10:03 PM
2

You are in the zone where you are physically attractive enough but you aren't masculine enough. The girl's brain tells her yes but her vagina tells her no. This tends to happen when you meet all the girl's tangible standards, but she senses that you are more urgent for sex than she is, her subconscious questions why and assumes you aren't preselected, so her vagina decides to stay shut even if she doesn't know why.
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:21 PM
3

Don't even concern yourself with dating until you get treated for your delusions. Even if fake muscles appear convincing, you will be even more convinced you aren't good enough as is
/r/seduction25/08/25 05:53 PM
0

Incels usually aren't involved in relationships where sex is had. My girl would not be with me if I didn't learn and accept reality for what it is. Call me an incel or any other form of left wing jargon that you want, it does nothing to change human natures.
/r/seduction24/08/25 10:33 PM
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A woman's morality is determined by how people treat her over the course of her lifetime. If she had a lifetime of getting whatever she wants because her tits are big, she knows no reality that rewards good effort and conduct.
/r/seduction24/08/25 12:38 PM
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If it was all made up, natural selection wouldn't exist and dating would be "fair". how do you explain that 90% of women sleep with 10% of men and those particular men rarely pursue commitment with the vast majority or those women?
/r/seduction24/08/25 12:33 PM
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Busty girls are never single, yet they are always available. They will get into relationships with beta providers but those typically only last as long as she needs to get what she wants out of him via the courts or his own stupidity, during which time she still wants a masculine man who only has to provide dick. These girls are used to getting everything they want with zero effort, so the more disagreeable you are and the more turmoil you create, the easier they are to attract. Just be aware an…
/r/seduction24/08/25 12:21 PM
2

All you have to do is picture the hot girl sitting on the toilet producing loud and wet blasts of diarrhea as she vomits..she is losing it from both ends. Humanize the hot girls, see them for what they really are beneath the beauty...don't put your strength into them for they are ruiners of kings. Picture them doing something nasty, accept that there is a chance she might be a terrible person on the inside, then it will be easier to picture success because you will understand they have to impres…
/r/seduction24/08/25 09:53 AM
8

It's normal, it's actually biology. Men have safety mechanisms just like women do, they just work differently. Women's safety senses are satisfied by preselection and mens safety mechanisms are satisfied by purity. After sleeping with a girl without having to "court her" over a long period of time; your subconscious screams at you that she will easily sleep with someone else just as fast if not faster than she slept with you, your internal safety mechanics for choosing a partner make you feel tu…
/r/seduction24/08/25 09:36 AM
1

You can feel emotions, you just need to take everything down a notch so the girl knows you are in more control than she is. You have testosterone which is steady, she has estrogen which is variable. If the girl says something funny you can laugh, just don't laugh with "kiss ass energy". Keep the display of emotion between 5 and 7, don't spike it. If you slip off of neutral, slip slightly to the positive side. You can add effect by abruptly ending the laugh and teasing her. "Good one, you got me.…
/r/seduction23/08/25 08:23 PM
2

I only went to a strip club once in my life, and I pulled one, and I didn't pay shit. I was a nervous wreck in there and some random girl comes to sit on my lap while me and my coworkers were sitting at the stage having drinks, and she accused me of being cute by pretending to be bashful around the naked girls. At the time I was not pretending and my seduction game was pedestrian at best. She invited me over to smoke and after we hooked up I asked why it didn't cost me anything. She said she was…
/r/seduction23/08/25 07:18 PM
1

It's simpler than it appears. A woman is turned on by guys who can make her feel a wide array of emotions. That does not mean she is turned on by a man that shows a wide array of emotions. The best example is when a stand up comedian delivers the punch line without lifting his emotions and maintains neutral tone and demeanor as if he's not trying to be funny...somehow that creates irony that makes it even more funny. So if you are talking to a woman and you tell a funny story or give a complimen…
/r/seduction23/08/25 05:58 PM
8

Because when you are neutral, you don't care if you don't get laid and you also don't care if you do get laid. That mindset creates space that a woman needs to chase you, that mental and emotional space is the obstacle that stops you from being easy to get so tension can be created.
/r/seduction22/08/25 11:15 PM
3

Buy an ounce, take a vacation, rethink your life.
/r/seduction22/08/25 04:57 PM
54

The way women perceive things, neutrality is actually more flirtatious to them than what we perceive as flirtatiousness. Flirtatiousness is a feminine trait, indifference is a masculine trait. Neutrality to beauty is an obstacle between you and her that creates sexual tension and makes you appear preselected and enables her to initiate and escalate. you may have just explained the entire game by accident.
/r/seduction22/08/25 04:49 PM
1

Best advice is never put your thoughts and efforts and strength into a woman, a ruiner of kings. Move on with your life, commit to masculine purpose and women will go out of their way to choose you.
/r/seduction22/08/25 04:18 PM
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The solution is to be professional and competent on the job. Almost every work place fling I've known, including those that involved myself, the girl slept with the guy that wasn't flirting with the girls and behaving completely neutral towards everybody. When you exert effort into flirting or escalating at a workplace (or anywhere else), you are showing that you aren't preselected, which can make girls feel physically unsafe. Sit back, do your job, react to anything she does like a brick wall w…
/r/seduction22/08/25 03:54 PM
1

You don't need game or any kind of strategy, you need a base concept for ensuring you are having a "man to woman" interaction. You just need to know what sexual tension is, and how to create it via normal conversation without being caught up in the "try hard" energy that comes with exerting effort into pleasing people. Sexual tension is the feeling that comes from an obstacle that is preventing a man and woman having sex. The obstacles can be physical, mental, emotional, or theoretical. An examp…
/r/seduction22/08/25 03:36 PM
1

That is way too much work to improve the dating lives of men when all they have to do is learn how to just get words out to women and stop being so sexually urgent that they think they need all these elaborate measures to crack some code.
/r/seduction22/08/25 01:00 AM
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She is testing your competency. You clearly understand that women are the choosers as you seem to have the patience to let her initiate the communication and the escalation. She knows this but also knows what u are lacking. All you are missing is balance. In the future if the girl is all over you due to your inconsistent communication and she initiates physical touch, you can reciprocate that escalation without turning her off. Instead of not reciprocating desire at all, reciprocate an equal or …
/r/seduction21/08/25 08:13 PM
35

Yes. Before I stepped into blue collar work, at least half my co-workers were always women. What I noticed is that every girl would want the same guy, then they can all change their mind on who that guy is at the exact same time. I almost regret the month that I was that guy when I worked at taco bell. One girl was drunk and decided she wanted to try making out with me on the night shift. I know she talked about it to others because she thought it was funny. then over the course of the next few …
/r/seduction21/08/25 08:03 PM
0

Ghosting and pulling back has always been done so women know how a guy handles it, but the way they test has changed. Women are on a more primal filter now because they have too many options to manage. They used to test for how much you like them, now they test strictly for how much other women like you. In the past, calling out the ghosting used to work routinely, because women would interpret that as masculine assertiveness and knew your interest was genuine enough to re initiate contact. Now …
/r/seduction21/08/25 07:49 PM
1

Anything in life that you want to succeed at requires that you put forth maximum effort. When you understand that attracting women is the sole exception to the above rule, you start seeing results.
/r/seduction20/08/25 11:34 PM
3

Women prioritize strength over height. In a modern world of comfort and entitlement and sugar and screens where most men aren't strong, of course women are going to default to the tall dudes when all their options lack strength....which leads men to create the false beliefs that only tall chads can get anywhere with a woman. I've had some friends that were way shorter than me, one was 5'0" and got more ass than a toilet seat because he was strong enough to not have limiting beliefs, many of us w…
/r/seduction20/08/25 06:43 PM
10

The solution to maintaining sexual attraction is learning how to create sexual tension. Sexual tension is created when there is an obstacle getting in the way of a man and a woman who are attracted to each other from having sex. In a farmers daughter scenario, the father and his shotgun is the obstacle, and all the girl thinks about is how to circumvent that obstacle to get what she can't easily have. The obstacles can be physical, mental, emotional, or theoretical, which means you can create th…
/r/seduction20/08/25 04:04 PM
4

I bet a buffalo nickel that you attempted to "follow up" with hasty communication after the sex in each situation, or in some other way showed you were eager for another round.
/r/seduction18/08/25 11:47 PM
3

Boasting shows urgency. = not preselected Cocky/funny shows patience. =preselected Boasting is trying to increase the girls interest level with logical reasoning as to why you are such a big catch, which makes the girl think you can't do better than her. Cocky/funny is being fun in the present moment whether she likes it or not, without feeling pressure to sell yourself, which generates emotions that lets the girl know you have or can generate better or hotter options.
/r/seduction18/08/25 08:46 PM
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Women's emotions are opposite to men's logic. Being unemployed, you might have considered yourself "not as eligible" and behaved with less "try hard" energy...which illogically makes women see you as more eligible. Maybe your subconscious assumed certain girls didn't like you which made you act more masculine around them with a "why should I bother?" attitude.
/r/seduction18/08/25 02:32 PM
3

She definitely did, which is likely why she pursued security
/r/seduction17/08/25 06:04 PM
12

This is why biologists are better with women than psychologists. Biology supercedes everything else. Women have safety senses that are only satisfied by preselection. I didn't even know this until very recently when I had to question why my girl is even with me and do my homework to figure out what I did correctly.
/r/seduction17/08/25 04:41 PM
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I've been in a relationship for a couple years, but before that started my rotation got as big as 4 women. There was a fifth girl I was going on dates with but she wouldn't have sex with me for months. she is the only one that I told directly about the other women and she thought I was a slut. That girl ended up becoming my current girlfriend.
/r/seduction17/08/25 03:50 PM
5

You act like you are ok with carrying baggage that you did not create
/r/seduction17/08/25 01:52 PM
2

I never "tested" it because I gradually made it my permanent way of speaking for reasons other than attracting women, it was to become a more balanced person. There were definitely positive seduction related side effects as I got used to it, women were becoming more receptive and less dismissive. The biggest difference is the amount of times that the woman was the one initiating the physical touch and escalation, relieving me of the burden of escalation management. On more than one occasion I wa…
/r/seduction15/08/25 08:56 PM
2

The biggest demonstrator of preselection is patience, so the basic examples would be external behaviors that show you are internally patient. It's all in your tone of voice and cadence and body movements. The easiest thing for beginners or even intermediates is to get used to slowing your cadence and lowering your tone towards the ends of sentences or making points, most men naturally do the opposite. This shows you mean what you say and you don't have to exert effort or lift your emotions to ma…
/r/seduction15/08/25 04:43 PM
15

The solution is sexual tension. If you can create it, you don't even have to worry about having a game plan or most other variables. Sexual tension is created when there is an obstacle stopping two people that are attracted to each other from having sex, just as in a farmer's daughter scenario where the obstacle is the father and his shotgun. Those obstacles can be physical, emotional, or theoretical...which means you can create them with words and actions. The most effective obstacle for creati…
/r/seduction14/08/25 06:45 PM
9

I need whatever it is you are smoking.
/r/seduction13/08/25 11:01 PM
2

Play to your natural traits. As long as you create sexual tension, you won't be downgraded to the friend zone, assuming the girl was initially attracted to you. Sexual tension happens when there is an obstacle stopping 2 people that are attracted to each other from having sex. You can use your introversion as the obstacle. Just be social enough to carry a convo, but be detached from beauty at the same time. Derive the detachment from a place of outcome independence and being introverted becomes …
/r/seduction13/08/25 05:15 PM
2

Seducing is about creating sexual tension. If there is no sexual tension, any interaction you are having is platonic. Sexual tension is felt when 2 people that are attracted to each other have an obstacle that stops them from having sex. Sometimes those obstacles tangibly exist, such as a farmers daughter scenario. The dad and his shotgun are the obstacle, and the more the dad prevents the daughter from seeing the guy, the hornier she becomes for that guy. The same obstacles can exist emotionall…
/r/seduction13/08/25 11:03 AM
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If you genuinely have higher priorities than pussy, you won't have to worry about showing too much desire for someone you actually want because you want the rewards of those higher priorities even more, so your urgency is automatically kept in check regardless of how hot the girl is. The point is to remain slightly less interested in the girl than she is in you so she doesn't think that you can't do better than her. This is hard to do when you are very attracted to the person, and impossible to …
/r/seduction12/08/25 06:09 PM
2

Sexual tension is caused by obstacles between two people who want to fuck...so I do the opposite to create those obstacles. If she misbehaves or is disagreeable, I tell her "you know you are not getting fucked later", or : "no pulsating orgasms for you!".
/r/seduction11/08/25 11:14 PM
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I see a lot of misunderstanding in this sub and irl. It doesn't matter if you are a nice guy or a bad man or something in between. Remember basic biology. Women have safety senses. What matters is how preselected you appear to be so she knows how safe you are. The woman will choose who they perceive to be more preselected every time. If the nice guy has the temperament and behaviors of a man with options, he can get away with breaking the rules of seduction and putting her on a pedestal...she wo…
/r/seduction11/08/25 02:34 PM
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Just pay the damn bill like a man. You are buying answers. What will often happen is the girl will offer to pay for next time, which is her directly implying that she wants to see you again. You have your answer. Even if she doesn't make that offer, you now have grounds to ask her to take care of the next outing. Whichever way she responds gives you your answer.
/r/seduction05/08/25 07:03 PM
2

The entire point of game is to maximize perceived preselection, eventually that value and the traits that come with it will become genuine. Women operate on emotion, so they prioritize illusions of value that they can observe over actual value that they cannot. This means it is completely possible to emulate a preselected man in order to become one.
/r/seduction04/08/25 11:59 PM
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Competence. Instead of trying to figure out how to talk to women, focus purely on learning about attracting them. Women are as attracted to preselection as men are attracted to purity, so work with that. If a girl senses you can get hotter girls than her, it becomes her mission to win you over so the management of escalation falls on her. Just stop caring altogether, whether things go your way or not. It's more than liberation for yourself, it shows women you are preselected without you having t…
/r/seduction03/08/25 06:32 PM
7

You are scared of success. The psyching yourself out comes from future pacing each step of the escalation ladder. First you question yourself on how to pull off a successful approach. If you succeed in the approach, you start to question how to pull off a good first date, and you know this, so you analyze this step before you ever approach. If you have a successful first date, you will question how to get her from the living room to the bedroom. Another step you analyze before you ever go on the…
/r/seduction03/08/25 06:08 PM
9

The "bro code" is a coverup. The guys that preach the "bro code" the most are the most likely to violate it.
/r/seduction01/08/25 05:19 PM
20

Men are more visually oriented which is why they are so susceptible to deception. Women prioritize preselection over appearance. A woman will pine over a guy that is a "7" if that guy is sleeping with a girl that she is friends with or familiar with.
/r/seduction01/08/25 05:08 PM
12

The biggest thing that kills perceived preselection is "try hard" energy, it makes your target think u can't do better than her. Exerting effort into checking all these boxes can easily put a man into outcome dependence if he doesn't check his motives. I think these lists are a good thing, but a guy should consider the primary motive for adopting the traits. If a guy studies and works on these things for his own masculine identity, he will definitely appear preselected. If a guy adopts these tra…
/r/seduction01/08/25 03:16 PM
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Ultimately all women care about is attractive trait #29 because of female safety mechanisms. Every other trait in both lists signals preselection or lack thereof.
/r/seduction01/08/25 02:57 PM
1

I'm not going to deceive the readers of this sub with false positives by claiming women are not drawn to bad traits that make them feel good just to avoid people hitting me with overused left wing jargon, insult my views all you want, but good luck changing reality.
/r/seduction30/07/25 11:51 PM
1

I do not see women's nature as a negative and I never once complained about it, feel free to point out where I did. Lies that feel good to a woman's emotions are considered by her to be more honest than actual honesty. It's not good or bad, it just is.
/r/seduction30/07/25 02:05 PM
3

I do not judge my mother, all women think honesty is boring. My dad was an honest man on paper, but he knew to speak to my mom with "half lie" energy or playfully lie in an obvious way to amuse her.
/r/seduction30/07/25 12:38 AM
9

Ask her if she gets turned on by liars🤣 tbh most of them do.
/r/seduction29/07/25 06:15 PM
20

Men focus too much on self improvement instead of learning how to appear preselected to make women feel safe and actually attract them. Even some guys that are actually preselected don't know how to behave like it. Too many guys busted their ass at the gym or made a lot of money only to get worse results. That is because it is very easy to think you can sell yourself based on your improvements and you slip into "try hard" energy and appear not preselected. This is why even some Chads can still g…
/r/seduction27/07/25 07:01 PM
12

It's because you are trying. Everything in life you want to improve requires you put forth maximum effort...however...connecting with women is the lone exception, the female gender is the only thing in this world that does not operate according to logic. You want to remove effort and be social simultaneously. Just keep talking to random people (including attractive women) casually until it becomes your default state so you don't have to exert effort at all.
/r/seduction26/07/25 11:15 PM
9

If you pay for premium dating apps, you are too urgent and part of the problem. When it comes to women's behavior, everything we complain about is caused by male urgency. If men are willing to pay for gratification, of course women are going to go online and show their ass and take the easy money. That easy money wouldn't exist if male urgency didn't exist. Dating companies tapped into the same market of urgent males, it's called the simp economy. The dating apps are substantially worse than OF …
/r/seduction26/07/25 07:45 PM
0

You stop fixating on female approval by considering the consequences of that mindset. Read the Book of Genesis. I'm not trying to Bible or Torah push, its the oldest known writing that teaches human nature. Men's default nature is righteous and ethical because they are less easily influenced by outside factors. Women's default nature is deviant and deceptive because they are highly susceptible to being influenced. The serpent could not influence Adam directly, so he targeted Eve knowing that she…
/r/seduction26/07/25 06:45 PM
3

Relying on i.o.i.s is futile. Women can smile and wave to you or give any other i.o.i. and have zero actual interest in you. They send signals to a wide range of men in their vicinity to see who is reactive and urgent to gauge the safety of their environment. Even if her i.o.i. is genuine, she is still testing you for urgency. Avoid approaching women who look closed off, but other than that you should talk to whoever you want whether or not there are i.o.i.s, just be relaxed af and avoid enterin…
/r/seduction26/07/25 06:03 PM
2

Having to use any tactics is for try hards, girls see right through it every time. You never want to ignore a girl or delay your responses on purpose. You want to be so busy with your hustle or with other women that your communication patterns are naturally inconsistent without you having to make it into an elaborate texting strategy.
/r/seduction25/07/25 04:33 PM
2

Once you have been a side guy there is no going back because you get knowledge of women you aren't sure you ever wanted. If she says "oh really? Even though I have a boyfriend?", you say "yes, of course". When a woman says she is happy in the relationship despite giving u contact info, what she means is the boyfriend does everything right which means she is bored and actively looking for fun. "Fun" translated from womanesse actually means dick.
/r/seduction24/07/25 07:04 PM
1

Don't worry about peacocking, worry about being masculine. Never exert effort or go out of your way to please a woman.
/r/seduction24/07/25 06:35 PM
1

For many men, not doing that cost them their children and half of everything else they had.
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:37 AM
1

That right there is the trap. You beat it by maintaining slightly lower interest in the girl than she develops in you.
/r/seduction23/07/25 10:43 PM
3

Your friend has better results because he carries less "try hard" energy...he might not even realize it. Associating seduction with self improvement is the biggest trap. You don't want to be the loser who doesn't self improve. You remove the effort you are putting towards women and nothing else...because women are the only thing that don't operate according to logic. Try a mental hack. Just assume that any woman you are talking to DOESN'T like you yet. This will keep you out of try hard aura and…
/r/seduction23/07/25 07:59 PM
4

She sensed urgency from you. It's the same thing every time. You may have showed sexual discipline outwardly but it don't matter if you still felt urgent. If the girl wants to wait, you withhold your physical touch completely and don't spend the night at all. She needs to assume you can go get some elsewhere. It's when a girl realizes that you can't get some elsewhere that she decides to ghost you, even if her initial interest was sky high.
/r/seduction23/07/25 05:24 PM
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Tell her you are having serious financial issues and you have a genetic condition that makes you shorter and fatter over time.
/r/seduction23/07/25 11:36 AM
3

You get better at dating by not caring about dating. You can't care if you get the date or get laid. If you do, whichever girl you are talking to will feel like you can't do better than her. You have to stay out of "try hard" energy, which means be social with women and detached from their beauty simultaneously. You don't need strategies or tactics, you need to appear preselected, which means u have zero urgency in your tone, cadence, body movements, subject matter and communication patterns. It…
/r/seduction22/07/25 01:42 AM
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The first time the girl sleeps with you is the biggest shit test. You recognized that eagerness might be the problem, now you just need to think about how you conveyed it and refrain from that show of urgency next time. It's mostly about what happens after the sex. If you did any kind of future pacing or made repeated attempts to "follow up", it could have made you appear not preselected and she found a guy or went back to a guy that doesn't care if he gets her in bed or not. You actually should…
/r/seduction22/07/25 12:53 AM
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I've learned over time that in the first interaction, it is far more important to keep how interested you are a mystery, regardless of how much and how fast you reveal your personality because when you are too interested, she thinks other women don't want you and she rejects you because of that "cringe" feeling within her, which non selection on your part creates. I'm always against showing "try hard" energy by revealing too much of anything, but controlling your level of interest is the highest…
/r/seduction20/07/25 10:32 PM
1

Then how do you explain that every guy I know in the real world has a regular sex life with the exception of those very few who say exactly what you just said?
/r/seduction20/07/25 03:19 PM
1

All the "stats" are based on social media and online dating. In the offline world it's harder to compile stats unless millions of people volunteer the info. The "stats" only take into account what women like publicly. The guys they like privately are different from who they like publicly because they are always walking on eggshells worried about what other women would think.
/r/seduction20/07/25 02:27 PM
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partially correct, but what women find unattractive relates more to the intangibles, physicality is secondary. Yes, you should maximize your appearance and grooming in every way you have control over, but you do that for yourself. I will try to explain logically, keep in mind women don't operate on logic. The term "creepy" is too widely used, so many girls learned to use the term to describe a guy that causes them to feel a certain internal feeling of danger. Preselection satisfies women's safet…
/r/seduction19/07/25 04:23 PM
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To women a "creep" is anyone that they perceive as not preselected, because non-selection is what triggers their internal safety mechanisms and makes them feel like deer in headlights. Just have the patience, calm temperament, and outcome independent mindset of someone that already has women.
/r/seduction19/07/25 02:50 PM
7

2 years ago. I agreed to jump into a relationship with the girl because im an idiot. We are still together, she is swatting me as I'm typing this🤣🤣
/r/seduction19/07/25 02:25 PM
4

She is wishing you happy birthday as a human, not a potential partner. Whether it's for attention or common decency, who knows? who cares? Don't overthink it and move on. The fact you are reading into it like this shows the same type of urgency that likely made her give you the "it's not you, it's me" routine in the first place.
/r/seduction18/07/25 01:07 PM
2

You are clearly still operating on emotion. That is how women operate. Yes, men have emotions, and we can never let them take the steering wheel and kick our logic to the curb. Most men don't internalize that until well into their 30s. Fortify your emotions, become a brick wall so you become non reactive. This is the backbone of military training. If you are emotionally reactive during the heat of an inspection, you can't properly respond to the instructor or officer when they quiz you. It's the…
/r/seduction18/07/25 12:05 PM
2

You do need to express sexual desire....but girls hear with their emotions and not their ears. Female emotion is opposite to male logic, which is why the behaviors we consider neutral, they consider to be sexual.
/r/seduction18/07/25 10:56 AM
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I can bless you with knowledge. The exact moment the girl sensed urgency on your part is the same moment she changed how she categorized you. This can happen even after dating or hooking up or even being married. It's all about your internals. If you are internally eager, it's written all over you externally. If you didn't flirt or directly state intent that isn't the problem. The problem is she could sense you wanted to and you didn't. Best case scenario is having normal conversation but you ge…
/r/seduction18/07/25 12:34 AM
2

If you don't know something, don't pretend to. Act oblivious to proper social skills because women like guys who don't care. You will notice this is exactly what makes women do that cute little "giggle" and they start playing with their hair etc.... If someone in the group asks me about the battle of Gettysburg, which I know nothing about, instead of pretending to have knowledge of it, I will say the first stupid thing that comes to mind. "If I'm not mistaken, that was a giant food fight in Nica…
/r/seduction17/07/25 07:28 PM
2

I used to just let it go when it happened for the sake of outcome independence and not chasing. I realized I was losing respect for myself because what I was doing was actually pacifism. Now I confront disrespect immediately fully knowing that will drive the girl away because it isn't about her at all. I would rather lose the girl or even get kicked out of the venue than take blatant disrespect. Cockblocking isn't just trying to get pussy, it's an intentional challenge. Challenge accepted. Never…
/r/seduction17/07/25 07:19 PM
1

She didn't get turned off by knowing you are seeing other women...that is the opposite of a turn off despite them seeming pissy about it. The vibe is off because you want something serious with a hinge user, and she can sense it. It's as if she thinks you are less preselected than she originally thought despite the evidence that you are actually more preselected...perception is everything. In the future, don't hang out with a fling or FWB more than once or twice a week, show u have priorities.
/r/seduction17/07/25 07:02 PM
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Men lie more to themselves, but in general it's easily women that lie more. It's not always out of malice. Women operate on emotions, so a lie that they tell or hear that feels good is genuinely considered by them to be more honest than an actual truth that didn't feel as good.
/r/seduction17/07/25 06:49 PM
7

He knows what he is doing. He isn't letting his interest level in you exceed your interest in him so you don't get turned off and you remain interested. Have you ever liked a guy in the past but when he reciprocated too much interest you instantly got turned off and didn't know why? It's your biological female safety mechanisms. Judging by the fact you went out of your way to make this post to get help from the internet, he is clearly on your mind, he made sure of that. I would say all the men o…
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:51 PM
8

Maintaining attractive appearance and grooming is the bare minimum, that is the easy part. What most men lack is outcome independence. This is what makes them not talk to attractive women as equals. They are either too awestruck by or too resentful of beauty, you need neutrality. If you were indifferent to the outcome, you would talk to whoever you feel like without hesitation, they will either extend the conversation or dismiss it. If you are afraid of being seen as creepy...don't be creepy. Wo…
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:34 PM
1

I'm keeping that account in reserve because it's clean, this account has been banned from more subs than I can count so I'm running it until the wheels fall off, but they will fall off soon I might not have time to spare but can always get back to u.
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:36 PM
3

If a person is his own relative then yes.
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:17 PM
13

Monotone voice and stone face can be an advantage with the right mindset. The whole point of game is to demonstrate preselection by behaving in ways that make the girl question your interest level, you don't want to be easy to win over so u signal you have options. Instead of sourcing monotone voice and stoic expression from a place of mental disability, derive these same traits you already have from a place of outcome independence.
/r/seduction16/07/25 02:14 PM
1

All women will act like you are doing something wrong because of mental processing time. The processing time differs depending on interest level. A high interest women will still look at you condescendingly or be highly defensive for a couple seconds before snapping out of it, an uninterested woman won't snap out of it at all.
/r/seduction15/07/25 09:01 PM
2

Don't check anything, that alone would be forcing a vibe. if you are actually friends then just talk and hang out like normal, let whatever happens happen organically.
/r/seduction12/07/25 11:45 PM
2

I don't respond at all, I'm not going to dignify them with reacting only to fuel their ego. She instantly becomes invisible and I continue what I was doing.
/r/seduction12/07/25 11:40 PM
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I suggest to exchange numbers after a hangout is agreed upon and I know she's interested. Social media ain't an option for me because I haven't used it since Myspace. I find having no socials is highly effective at filtering out women that are just faking interest to pad their follower count. If they think it's weird I have no IG, I won't waste my time ...they certainly don't care if Chad doesn't.
/r/seduction12/07/25 12:49 PM
1

Women prefer stern and serious men over the happy-go-lucky type, you don't need to fake anything, you have an advantage if you know how to wield it. Women want to fix what is broken. If you can't laugh or smile or are generally not in a good mood because of life circumstances, it is what it is...but never let outcome dependence be the root of your mood, girls sense the difference.
/r/seduction12/07/25 12:24 PM
1

The last thing you want is a relapse of depression. Separating your sense of self worth from success with women should be a priority, your self worth comes from your competence as a man to ensure survival of your loved ones. After being treated for multiple mental illnesses, I realized that feeling pathetic because of lack of hookups and girlfriends was part of the problem. Why should any man feel pathetic that something didn't happen with a female human that is biologicaly programmed to upgrade…
/r/seduction11/07/25 04:19 PM
1

The creases between cellulose rolls
/r/seduction11/07/25 12:54 AM
1

The thing that some guys have that others don't is knowledge that shows in their energy. Many of our fathers and grandfathers taught us that the man courts the woman. From their point of view, this was true. Truth is that the man courting the woman is a white, upper middle class tradition and is not the natural way of things. Our previous generations didn't know better because tradition was all they knew. The natural way of things is that the woman chooses a competent hunter gatherer to ensure s…
/r/seduction10/07/25 10:25 PM
6

Women often bait you into having the exact kind of logical conversation that turns them off to test your competency at managing female nature and make sure you are preselected. This is one of those tests that they give completely on purpose. Always remember that women not only are unresponsive to logic...they actively take offense to it because it keeps them from escaping this reality into the realm of emotion. The formula for responding to an "interviewish" question is to be stupid; remove inte…
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:14 PM
13

Flirt immediately if you want. just understand that men don't naturally flirt the same. Women flirt by showing they are thinking about giving a rabbit a carrot. Men flirt by dangling the carrot on a string and changing how far they lift or pull it back each time the rabbit lunges at it. This means flirt in a way that generates uncertainty as to how interested you actually are, just don't be easy.
/r/seduction09/07/25 01:45 PM
9

Nope. This lesson is about having the temperament and demeanor of a preselected man. You can be forward, you can say whatever you want; it's quite literally how you say it. it's all about not shifting your mood or letting your emotion jump internally just because the person you are talking to is cute. I lost count of how many times I saw some dude in public that looked like a Chad get dismissed on approach. they talk to the girl like a cute puppy instead of an adult human. The guy felt internall…
/r/seduction09/07/25 01:35 PM
83

Being sexually patient does not mean to not escalate at all. It means doing so with detached temperament. You want to show you want intimacy, but its by no means a requirement.
/r/seduction08/07/25 11:19 PM
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You cannot create sexual tension the same way that women do because you are the opposite gender. Women feel sexual tension when a man is social with her but detached from her appearance simultaneously. They judge a man's strength by how sexually patient he is, and this is what every shit test evaluates for. To a woman's emotions, the less urgent you are, the more preselected you appear to be and women's safety mechanisms are satisfied and her vagina feels that energy. The cause of nearly all gho…
/r/seduction08/07/25 07:56 PM
3

Verbally indirect. My aura states my intent.
/r/seduction07/07/25 10:43 PM
2

Key is reading the room because female perception and emotion is variable. If a girl thinks you are a Chad, your confidence is perceived as genuine and congruent..even if it isn't. If a girl sees you as a non Chad, your confidence is automatically perceived as overkill and incongruent..even if it isn't.
/r/seduction07/07/25 12:12 PM
1

Because that guy she is sleeping with that started as a friend was non reactive, at least emotionally. It's possible to be non reactive to being friendzoned and remain friends. A girl can outright reject me as anything more than friends and I'll even still invite her out, I just downgrade to McDonalds
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:59 PM
3

When that happens I react exactly like a brick wall does
/r/seduction06/07/25 03:26 PM
3

Yet she is young and could still find an "upgrade" at any time, no man on earth, not even Chad is safe,: look at Tom brady. I maintain a degree of detachment and keep putting my money and family first so i won't lose my identity if that scenario happens. It's a paradox because that attitude is exactly why she is with me.
/r/seduction06/07/25 01:31 AM
3

She is a PhD candidate for botany but works part time at Panera and she was in a hurry running through the store to bring out curbside orders and rammed me by accident full force. I told her without thinking.. "if that's your idea of hitting on me, your flirting could really use some work". This is the corniest thing that ever came out of my mouth to a complete stranger and I knew it, but she was red in the face laughing and said she would have no choice but to go out with me to work on her skil…
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:44 AM
1

Not really. Having multiple options and knowing how to generate more made me feel even more alone, because these women showed zero appreciation for anything outside the bedroom. I settled down with a younger woman that actually brings peace and respect to the table and shows gratitude. One time I fixed her car and I got surprised with a mahogany Gibson SG and afternoon sex...I would have gladly accepted a Klondike bar and afternoon sex.
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:03 AM
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When I was single I got to the point a few years back where I was done wasting time. If I had to yell over music I all I would say was "are we getting out of here?!". Either she left with me or she didn't. Sometimes it would just be to go outside to have a smoke or talk without the noise which sometimes led to hook ups, sometimes it went straight to hookups, other times it got me confronted by the husbans😅
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:47 PM
1

You might have missed the context. I was talking strictly about non verbal behavior and demeanor. Never at any point should a guy verbally say they are seeing a bunch of women, or even talk about their encounters unless asked directly. I don't actively encourage openly displaying red flags. I was using taken men and men with rotations as an example of the kind of chill and laid back, patient temperament said dudes naturally posses, they aren't urgent to get sex because they already have it. If g…
/r/seduction04/07/25 09:08 PM
10

When I was single and actively had FWBs, the communication patterns differed on a person to person basis. In a situation that is strictly sexual with zero potential for a relationship or even a real friendship, you never really want to be the first to say anything. In a situation where you are actual friends and spend time outside the bedroom and share hobbies and interests, you want your communication frequency to be similar to that which you use with platonic friends.
/r/seduction04/07/25 07:52 PM
1

Fortunately for you, being rigid and solitary are masculine traits. If you have the ability to remain detached, use it, just try to find balance and be social in a detached manner so your name gets out there.
/r/seduction03/07/25 10:09 PM
2

I took that as considering a guy attractive and crushing on him isn't the same thing. She can determine if he is attractive from first sight, but can't crush until she either sees him interact with others or interacts directly with him. Either way her mind is made up within 7 seconds of interacting with him, if she changes her mind it's because he slipped off center.
/r/seduction02/07/25 02:03 PM
2

Yes. I have no real disagreements with it, I was attempting a consolidated p.s.a. kinda thing.
/r/seduction02/07/25 01:55 PM
7

It's not possible to "make" a girl like you but it is completely possible to make a girl who already was interested to not like you. When a girl likes you, she likes you simply for your existence. That means she either likes you or doesn't right from the start. Its all about what not to do. If she seems interested, all you have to do is not turn her off. A turn off is any kind of words or behaviors or temperament that triggers her biological safety mechanisms by making you appear not preselected…
/r/seduction02/07/25 01:49 PM
6

Not verbally. If I can tell a girl from work likes me I just keep teasing the shit out of her until she initiates and escalates, hence making me not responsible for the fallout.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:14 PM
0

Nope. This is why it is super important to know how to read people so you know which women are choosing you.
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:04 PM
3

There is no way to win. You are either too serious or too aloof or too negative or too neutral. This is why you minimize communication via texting to the bare essentials, because unnatural communication when u aren't physically present turns women off no matter how you go about it. Communication via cell phone is interpreted as weakness by default, even if you say the exact same things you would irl.
/r/seduction30/06/25 05:48 PM
1

I can see why it's hard. I'm Vancouver, among other places, you really got to have identity via status. At the venues the girls were all over the average looking DJs and bouncers and barkeeps, and ignoring even the chads who didn't have identity pertinent to the surroundings. This is why when I was single I liked getting multiple part time gigs where lots of women go, so I'm part of the venue instead of a random.
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:03 AM
5

Competence is the priority because it is the source of confidence and status and your masculine identity. Just pick one thing that you enjoy and can bring others gain and go on YouTube and take classes and completely master it, and never speak of it in detail to women unless asked. Your newfound demeanor and temperament and skill which stem from the competence will do the talking. Competence is the most primal female attractant. Housewives will literally cheat with you if you can fix her car or …
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:55 AM
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Get "cold approach" out of your vocabulary. It's the p.u.a. terminology itself that puts u in "try hard" energy and makes womens safety senses go off, which is why "approaching" gets a bad rap. I am convinced that there is no limit to how far you can get with a woman by way of regular conversations; talking in your default state like you would with any type of person in any normal interaction because it actually is a normal interaction. Talk to everyone the same and the girls will sense your con…
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:37 AM
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Theoretically, let's say you are correct and smiles with eye contact are a display of interest...it's still a test whether or not that interest is genuine. If you really want help with cold approach, disregard all that shit and just assume any woman you are talking to doesn't like you in the first place...this will ensure your demeanor and temperament remain masculine and detached and you can pass those interest and urgency tests. This way you are talking to every girl the same way and not showi…
/r/seduction29/06/25 11:05 PM
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Most things a girl does is to test how reactive you are. They will make eye contact and smile to anyone to gauge how safe they are based on if and how they react. When a girl is actually flirting, she will suddenly lose her social skills and be a bit flustered and awkward or have mind farts or say weird stuff because they are getting the "yips".
/r/seduction29/06/25 10:11 PM
11

I react the same way a brick wall does. Being any kind of reactive is disrespect to myself. When a girl claims the vibe is off, or she isn't feeling it, or her mood shifted... she is telling the truth because you weren't seen as an upgrade from Chad from IG, who suddenly became available; and you no longer exist according to her emotions. If she ain't sleeping with you, it's someone else, so there is no point in reacting at all.
/r/seduction28/06/25 07:54 PM
4

A woman that is easy to get is off-putting because men also have safety mechanisms. Women's safety mechanics are satisfied by preselection, our mechanics are satisfied by purity...the polar opposite.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:24 PM
16

Ironically women only develop desire for commitment for the exact guys who categorize them as a casual short term fling. This is why the side guy is always more respected than the boyfriend or long term prospect.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:08 PM
1

Because their behaviors don't show as much sexual urgency so their perceived preselection levels are higher.
/r/seduction26/06/25 05:27 PM
4

That's the point. The most successful salesmen represent products and services that are in high demand...products that sell themselves. People are calling the sales guy with intent to purchase instead of him having to cold call. At a Chrysler dealer, the sales guys are forced into doing mostly cold calls/emails. At a Toyota dealer, the salesmen are so busy taking warm calls and receiving walk in customers that they have no time for cold calls. I haven't cold approached in years, once I made myse…
/r/seduction26/06/25 12:58 PM
2

It's comparable to sales. If you make 1000 cold calls in a month to people who's wants and needs you have no previous info about, not many people are going to want what u are selling...but a 1% conversion rate still creates 10 more transactions that otherwise wouldn't be happening. Are you going to be more ok with 10 transactions or zero?
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:52 AM
0

You don't recover from an L, you adopt a mindset that her non interest is a small victory because nature filtered out a mismatch on your behalf so u don't waste time u can't get back, or end up broke...or worse. If you were to pursue the girl and she ends up convincing herself to give you a chance and you go on dates or even sleep together, she will punish you even worse after extracting some resources because there is no way she can respect you. Most divorced couples where the man lost everythi…
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:45 AM
1

Women are social creatures. If you were the only guy in the shoe changing area, she could have just been looking for acknowledgement regardless of if she was attracted to you or not. Next time just get words out and figure out if she likes you as the interaction gets off the ground. It's ok to speak to anyone you cross paths with organically during your activities.
/r/seduction25/06/25 07:42 PM
4

For sexual harassment. It didn't even make it past the hearing in both trial court and civil court because it was not a repeated advance after an initial denial, hence not harassment. In fact the countersuit for defamation went my way.
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:48 PM
12

When I was single, I had a less than 1% success rate, yet always had options even before I knew what I was doing just by sheer numbers. It can take thousands of attempts. At about 10 conversations per day, I still generated a few options per month with very few police calls.
/r/seduction25/06/25 11:31 AM
3

I used to believe being introverted was a disadvantage, but in my experience I learned it's actually the opposite. Female emotion is opposite of male logic. Potential for greater polarity exists between a social butterfly and an introvert. Quality girls that like to talk WANT to date guys who can shut up long enough to listen to them and know how to speak with pure vibe moreso than words. In fact, the less words you use to make the same points, the better. They don't even want your advice or wan…
/r/seduction24/06/25 04:09 PM
4

You perform "the Mosbey".
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:00 PM
49

Watch some old Craig Ferguson clips and pay attention. He's social and detached at the same time, he creates sexually charged banter but his voice and body language don't show urgency. He has this thing where he will paint the picture that he is innocent and his female guest is the pervert, and they basically lust over him. It can be debated how much of it is scripted but is still a teachable example of real world concepts.
/r/seduction22/06/25 02:24 PM
0

I think you might have overlooked that this is a seduction sub. Being kind and mindful to find a healthy, lasting relationship is not relevant to the topic. When it comes to finding a partner for sex, men's biological safety mechanisms are satisfied by purity, women's are satisfied by preselection. When it comes to physical seduction, displaying behaviors that signal purity or preselection is key and is often the basis for discussion here.
/r/seduction21/06/25 07:28 PM
2

Don't be afraid to take a more lax approach and make guy friends even if they are taken. They can introduce u to other men or could even ask you out later on if they think their girl is misbehaving
/r/seduction21/06/25 02:53 PM
2

They may or may not be taken. A lot of men feel like deer in headlights when they get cold approached, in recent years they developed a denial mechanism because they almost never get attention or get asked out...so the first instinct reaction is to say they have a girlfriend and bail ...I've been there myself, it's a comfort zone thing.
/r/seduction21/06/25 02:49 PM
3

Leverage autistic traits to make them appear as detached behaviors so u are hard to get and turn the girl on. This is coming from someone with Asperger's and dyschronometria that has a hot young girlfriend. Instead of "failing" to make eye contact, fall back into your own world and space out a little, not paying attention to her. Women give attention to those it take their own back. Instead of "drawing blanks" on the next thing to say, speak with silence paired with the irrationally intense eye …
/r/seduction20/06/25 12:33 AM
1

I think u should assume that she is smarter than you think. She already knows exactly why you are talking to her, she is either interested or she isn't. You can't fully disclose your interest level because u aren't letting her be the chooser, if she was interested she would change her mind real quick if you are too easy. A neat trick that I noticed was effective when I first got the ball rolling on generating myself options was to always assume whatever girl I'm talking to isn't interested in se…
/r/seduction20/06/25 12:25 AM
2

If you cross paths with her again, show her you like talking to her without saying it by having a normal conversation. You are supposed to be strong without her, expressing need for communication is a turn off; you should want to talk to her, but not have to need to.
/r/seduction19/06/25 11:28 PM
2

I see no harm in reaching out to her, just don't make multiple attempts if you don't hear back from her.
/r/seduction19/06/25 11:02 PM
4

Let the awkward moments happen, unapologetically. When you try to "correct" or negate an awkward moment, you appear less preselected because u show u care about the outcome. Be the stupid guy that flirts with every girl, even if it's right in front of each other.
/r/seduction19/06/25 10:41 PM
0

It's not as much of a chess game as it is accepting new social norms. I actually blame men for the current state of things, for not acting like men at all. Most guys hand out free approval, free money, and/or even submit just because the human is a female, hence not treating the person as an equal. This is an old problem, it is exactly why we were cast out of Eden and became mortal beings, the internet just exponentially magnified the issue.
/r/seduction19/06/25 02:02 PM
0

You didn't take hoeflation into account. Mid and subpar women think that they are dimes because the simp economy reinforced that train of thinking. You cold approaching within or below your league further reinforces that sense of entitlement. She takes one look at you, decides you aren't hotter than the hottest guy from IG, and dismisses you, despite the fact that the types of guys she is attracted to would never commit to her. Just talk to someone who you would normally consider out of your lea…
/r/seduction19/06/25 11:09 AM
2

You have the advantage, you are at your job so you are displaying identity, even if it's the handsome coffee dude. Inject the things that women love into your interactions...that being drama, turbulence, and uncertainty. You do that by being a gentleman in a way that turns them on. Be social yet outcome detached so they don't know if you want them or not, that lets you create openings to polarize the dynamic and accuse the women of being the perverts while you are just doing your job. The first …
/r/seduction18/06/25 05:43 PM
2

You don't verbally state your intent, you let masculine vibe and demeanor do that for you. When you directly say your intentions out loud without her asking u directly, female emotions compute the statement as confirmation that you aren't preselected, which means she will feel unsafe unless you are the one specific type she daydreams about.
/r/seduction17/06/25 05:05 PM
1

Among a group of female friends, the girls you are less interested in will be more interested in you. The reverse is true, the girl you are the most interested in will be the least interested in you. If you sleep with one of the friends, your original target will suddenly be all over you because it will appear that your interest shifted away from her.
/r/seduction15/06/25 07:21 PM
1

I actually partially agree with that, there is a certain nuisance, logically building rapport and getting to know the person CAN be effective if the guy removes all urgency and outcome dependence when doing so. Some guys like me are naturally more patient and more nonchalant when just talking in a way where the interaction is purely vibe and not" interviewy" because it keeps my own desire for romance in check.
/r/seduction13/06/25 11:50 PM
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I've noticed over the years that during conversation that the woman is more likely to flirt or initiate physical touch when I refrain from talking about myself or asking about her life. If I'm talking about the food or the music or surroundings or the vibe in general, the girl is always super responsive...the second I start trying to get to know "the real her" is when I would start getting the closed off body language or even the eye roll from hell. Building rapport is logical. Women are not tur…
/r/seduction13/06/25 08:53 PM
1

There are multiple human nature's, male and female nature are different. The most important aspect is what/who a person serves. Men serve others. Women serve their own emotions. To a man, not everything that feels good is ethically good. To women, anything that feels good is considered by them to be ethically good. This is why women not only are unresponsive to logic and truth, they actively take offense to it. men are loyal to whoever deserves it, women are only loyal to their own emotions. A w…
/r/seduction13/06/25 06:09 PM
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Thank you for proving my point for me.
/r/seduction11/06/25 01:18 AM
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Guys, when you compromise your identity for a woman, you lose both yourself and her. If she likes my little Pony, the second you sit down and watch it with her, she will lose all respect for you and start texting Chad from I.G., the guy who knows how to say no to her. When my girl and I were first seeing each other she tried asking me to take her to see the live action Show White, I said "hell no, make that a girls thing with your friends if you really think that is more fun than afternoon sex".…
/r/seduction11/06/25 12:54 AM
3

I had to come back to respond, that is actually correct and never talked about. Hormonal status effects universal quantum frequencies which are picked up by the pineal gland. Some cultures refer to it as the third eye and/or top chakra. Sounds like magic but is actual science.
/r/seduction10/06/25 06:32 PM
0

She probably considers you an upgrade, a girl will only "feel pretty" if she considers you a Chad ...then anything you say or do makes her feel pretty until you do something that turns her off. Even so, she clearly has no respect for her man and commitment is too much for her, so hook up with her once then block her because chances are very high she isn't actually breaking up with her boyfriend before she gets sex elsewhere if he is a traditional, stable provider type.
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:29 PM
1

You get women to want to follow you by taking charge of your own life, not by trying to take charge of them. For example when you try to "take charge" and set the time and place for a date with no mutual input, the woman perceives outcome dependence and she is laughing at you inside her mind. Detachment is the balance between being direct and being passive. You can go either way if you remain outcome independent. If you make a direct statement of intent with a neutral tone and you don't let your…
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:09 PM
2

In those situations where you fumbled a woman that seemed she had initial high interest in you, it's almost always because you reciprocated equal or greater interest which makes the girl think you aren't as preselected as she originally sensed you to be. (Incongruence) It's not her fault or yours, it's biological female safety mechanisms. Maintain a 5 to 7 interest level in her even if her interest level in you is a 10. You don't want to be completely excited or stoic, it's about balance ...once…
/r/seduction08/06/25 01:30 PM
1

It means leading yourself so they want to follow you based on respect for you, it's not about leading the woman. When you initiate and plan and try to be the leader, they are laughing at you inside their mind because these things show you aren't preselected. If you were, you simply existing and having a fun vibe would be enough with no need to exert effort into "courting". This took until my mid 30s to figure out, mainstream PUAs avoid telling u the truth so they don't saturate the market.
/r/seduction07/06/25 09:59 PM
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It was really hard until I got into my 30s, then it was really easy once I accepted that I carried false beliefs my whole life. The false belief was that the man courts the woman. It turns out that is not how nature works, it's just an upper middle class, man-made concept. Once I learned to remain completely detached from beauty to stay grounded in actual reality it became easy. The girls put in all the effort and were even paying for the dates. This also applies when already in an ltr with a ho…
/r/seduction07/06/25 02:33 PM
2

I wouldn't say you blew it up, just forget about trying to hit on her and see if she remains cordial with you, don't turn down a new acquaintance if anything. When you are at the gym, let the girls initiate every interaction. They will not hesitate to approach or cross paths with the guys that are withholding attention and not letting their eyes fly around and are staying focused. If you put a woman before your workout, they perceive that as weakness, u are at that gym for fitness...THEY are the…
/r/seduction06/06/25 09:57 PM
0

I accept your intent, most guys got this reality check in middle and high school when all the girls were all over 1 or 2 of the guys, and many never got over it and fail to realize that the rules are the same in adulthood. The girls all say " there is just something about him"; that something is testosterone, it didn't even matter how those dudes behaved.
/r/seduction06/06/25 01:12 AM
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YOUR life is straight up about testosterone and pheromones and narcissism, props to you for getting results, but there is absolutely nothing constructive in your OP for "normies" so I had to try to twist it into a positive. People other than you exist, and many weren't born like that, completely outside their control. Guys come to this sub for information and perspectives, i try to give reasonable hope using what men can control.
/r/seduction06/06/25 12:52 AM
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I can't believe I'm about to back up this post but I will because everyone should be taking notes.. This guy is leveraging women's ego and he knows it. You don't get that kind of action without competence in how women operate. If you are social yet completely detached and outcome independent even to the point of friendzoning yourself, the ego of an attractive women automatically assumes you are preselected by hotter women, they think there is no other possible reason that you wouldn't be approac…
/r/seduction06/06/25 12:43 AM
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You aren't wrong, but the truth is there is another type of man that women want that nobody talks about, which would be the sigma male...the only man that is capable of mutual respect with an alpha male. Psychologists have only coined the term and studied the concept in recent decades, but the sigma male has always existed. The alpha male leads his tribe, the sigma male has no tribe, hence less enemies. He does not answer to the alpha male but will collaborate with him due to the good ying and y…
/r/seduction06/06/25 12:29 AM
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It's actually not about the money at all, it's about accessing the demeanor, temperament, and nuance that comes naturally when you have a higher priority than pussy, that higher priority can really be any kind of higher purpose. Alot of men that make great money actually have a harder time because they make their money into their whole identity and think they can sell themselves on it, which is why I said don't talk about the money. Guy makes the money but don't adjust his behaviors and that mon…
/r/seduction04/06/25 01:10 AM
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Not bad advice, but a simpler way to think about it is to just build your money without talking about your money, and the rotation builds itself as a side effect just off the aura of a man of action with real outcome independence. Even the volume takes care of itself, you're on the move marketing and building a brand and networking, many people u meet in the commission of your mission will be attractive women.
/r/seduction04/06/25 12:09 AM
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Sleep with someone hotter than she is or someone that she knows and leverage social media to make sure she knows about it without it looking like you are trying to make sure she knows about it. Simple? No. Unethical? Extremely. Love it or hate it, this is the solution.
/r/seduction31/05/25 03:06 PM
1

You reply like a brick wall would. At best use monotone one word responses. "Ok" "sure" "noted". Don't give them the satisfaction of you being offended or having to debate it.
/r/seduction31/05/25 03:00 PM
6

Women are never sleeping alone especially when they are single. If it ain't you, it's someone else. It could be the ex or some Chad you don't know about or both. She is a liar because it's not her, it's you...it's all subconscious stuff at play so it's very easy for neither one of you to realize that, she could have been unaware that she was lying. I'm saying "it's you" because you unknowingly tripped her safety mechanisms. I’m not short on options. But right now, I don’t want to date anyone els…
/r/seduction31/05/25 02:46 PM
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Challenge yourself to continue without the apps, it's less stressful and will give you confidence. Hoeflation actually makes talking to women in real life easier now than ever before, that is the secret the pros don't want you knowing. The 8s 9s and 10s don't want to be caught acting as entitled and exaulted as their lesser quality counterparts.
/r/seduction30/05/25 02:01 PM
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Hard to say what is "normal". Last year I convinced my most objectively handsome tall friend to hop on the apps so I can hawk his stats. He got somewhere between 5 and 10 likes a month and even fewer messages and/or responses. He does fine in real life so didn't bother with the damaged goods that did reach out to him. Before 2012 I had consistent likes and matches to the point I lost count, several flings and a couple ltrs. I ain't no Chad, men in general were getting better results 13+ years ag…
/r/seduction30/05/25 01:48 PM
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The reason most of us are only actively looking for casual situations is because we are seeing no capacity for loyalty out there. Just show the green flags. See one guy at a time and stay off your phone during dates and limit your social media use to business and family purposes. Most of us are willing to be open to building a relationship with someone who shows traits of a loyal person before a commitment happens.
/r/seduction29/05/25 05:24 PM
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The variables don't matter if you aren't using the "bad man" thing as a tactic. It should be the default state. The hottest girl I ever took home from a bar was genuinely not appeasing to me on a personality level. I was just there to have a drink and work on my laptop, not meet people. A dime a few stools down was just reading her kindle and I witness no less than 4 guys cold approach her, every one of them got brutally dismissed, none of them were being weird or anything like that. I had to wa…
/r/seduction29/05/25 01:19 AM
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Take a different approach. Try having arguments and chaotic and risky conversations, even verging on toxic. Those interactions are much more genuine. This sounds bat shit crazy, but keep in mind; women are drawn to bad men. 100% of my random approaches that involved good conversation and no issues resulting in the girl going silent. 100% of my random approach success I did have wasn't from overt "cold approach", it was either the girl did something to piss me off and I responded or the reverse. …
/r/seduction29/05/25 12:37 AM
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The guys that are flipping the script and seem like they can bypass preferences are doing so with competence, which is the key word. They are competent when it comes to female nature instead of resentful about it. They are competent enough to know what satisfies women's safety mechanisms: an outcome independent demeanor that signals preselection. Competence is so much more than that. It's the source of confidence. It's also very attractive to women when you are competent at real world survival s…
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:08 AM
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Pull back before she does. She didn't seem turned off, but she should be at just about any moment now. If she knows you are moving to that area she could feel like you are future pacing a situation with her, which is the high beams that scare women off like deer. If you give her some breathing room the door might stay open for you.
/r/seduction26/05/25 06:38 PM
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The big one is lowering your tone and slowing your cadence as you get towards the end of sentences instead of the opposite. You should talk like that at all times to show you aren't swayed by outside factors such as beauty. That is one of those things that happens automatically when you are patient, but doing it manually can not only make you look less urgent, it will actually make you feel less urgent over time. When you are patient, you naturally won't make sudden, fidgety movements around a g…
/r/seduction26/05/25 06:30 PM
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It's urgency. Women can sense it, even through a screen with you being miles away. When a man is urgent, it changes frequencies on a universal level which girls can sense with their third eye/top chakra (pineal gland), and it sets of their safety mechanisms. I know it's urgency because if it wasn't, your post wouldn't exist. No matter how many women you have had and how preselected you actually are, your perceived preselection is tanked when you feel urgent. it shows in your face, tone, demeanor…
/r/seduction26/05/25 03:41 PM
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Look and behave as attractive as possible, be the handsome coworker that they can't have. Act like the guy that doesn't shit where he eats . Let the women shit where they eat because they don't have to deal with consequences for doing so. 100% of workplace romances and casual situations must be initiated by the woman so you have the gift of plausible deniability. You can behave in a neutral way and have certain demeanor that will have them desiring to initiate, but u can't initiate.
/r/seduction26/05/25 03:27 PM
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Women actually sense that you lack options when you "take the lead", because it shows you care about the outcome and it's just fraught with "try hard" energy. In the real world if you try yelling a woman "I'm picking you up at 8 and we're going to "x" place", she is laughing at you inside her head. She is thinking "he's really trying to be the boss", "I must be the only option, he probably can't do better than me", "if other women don't want him, I don't want him". The solution is to not go on d…
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:54 PM
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Physical escalation has to happen organically. When dudes try to force escalation out of urgency, whether it be the vibe or physical touch, they appear not preselected and wonder why they get ghosted. The other thing that guys get ghosted for, of course; is not escalating at all but the girl still senses urgency on the guy's part. For escalation to occur naturally, the man must remove urgency from his thoughts and behaviors and let the woman be the chooser, she needs to know Adam won't eat the f…
/r/seduction25/05/25 09:16 PM
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It's the person having his masculine identity compromised out of fear of losing the woman.
/r/seduction25/05/25 02:20 PM
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Never pay money for seduction help. Everything they teach you will make you care even more about the outcomes and make you more susectible to entering into "try hard" energy. Just knowing you paid money for results will make you more outcome dependent because you made getting laid a priority. The biggest issue is that what works for other men will not work for you because seduction requires congruence, you can't be anyone except yourself. Seduction is all about what not to do. All you have to do…
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:07 PM
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Frustration leads to urgency, and women dry up when they sense that urgency because they feel you aren't preselected despite any positive attributes you may have. You have to have zero care for all possible outcomes, you can't give a shit if you get laid or not. The best cure for frustration is to have higher priorities. There exists men who turn down pussy when they have to because it's a distraction for them. You want to be one of those.
/r/seduction19/05/25 03:09 PM
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It's important to focus on what is in your control when it comes to hygiene and style, but ultimately it's your demeanor that matters most. You can easily be perceived as better or worse looking than you actually are just by how you behave. Act like a hot guy, get treated as such.
/r/seduction19/05/25 01:58 PM
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Under 25 is the best possible time for a good relationship, as well as the worst time for a bad one. A good woman will anticipate your needs and support your grind, having a real woman at your side early in life can get you a big head start financially, mentally, spiritually, and even physically. Most women that you can find of that quality are under 25 anyway. Unfortunately if you can't find that type of woman, it's far better to not even be dating for all the reasons you discussed. Certain wom…
/r/seduction19/05/25 12:13 AM
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Men and women really don't have much in common other than liking sex. Communication outside the bedroom or outside of other stimulating activities should always be minimized. What u really need to keep in check is communication via cell phone. Women just blindly assume when you communicate with them that you aren't putting that time into your purpose making you less fit for survival, it's a biological safety mechanism.
/r/seduction18/05/25 07:59 PM
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If you have abundance, you need to demonstrate preselection via your demeanor. The more patient you are, the more urgent the girl will be and she will often initiate kissing or sex on the first date anyway. Women and the internet have deceived us into thinking they want us to take the lead and initiate/escalate quick. Fact is, women are the choosers because men are the prize. When they talk about wanting a leader, that means you leading yourself in a way that they want to follow. If they feel sa…
/r/seduction17/05/25 11:48 AM
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I wouldn't say they are easier, but require different nuance. With the older women, you can directly express certain interest and communicate like a beta male would with double texts and following up and still see sexual results, but the second you try to take the lead or assert yourself the resistance and bat shit arguments will start, she's still single for that reason. With younger women, you need to maximize how preselected you appear by creating uncertainty with your communication and remai…
/r/seduction14/05/25 04:33 PM
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You want to be open in a non verbal manner through your mannerisms and masculine demeanor, you don't want logical, vocal discussions about intent unless she asks you directly, because it comes across as forcing a vibe and creates certainty; which is the opposite of polarity. Whatever happens should happen organically. This way you are never locked into one option and the girl may be open to whatever you want once enough time went by to get to know her, whether it be a casual or romantic situatio…
/r/seduction13/05/25 06:06 PM
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These aren't necessarily the red flags that indicate a terrible person, they just indicate there is zero capacity for loyalty which means commitment is actually too much for her mentally, so she wasn't lying. Next time date someone who shows capability for loyalty before a relationship begins. The number one green flag is when a girl can keep her phone put away when on dates and she limits her social media use to strictly business purposes while she is seeing you.
/r/seduction13/05/25 02:59 PM
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When I was using online dating sites, I only started getting results when I stopped taking matches out on dates altogether. It was either come over for Netflix or someone else will. Good dates generally don't happen with women who put themselves online because they know they didn't yet prove to you that they deserve to be taken out on dates. Tbh 100% of the time I successfully closed prior to my current gf, zero money was spent on the girl. My only knowledge of what a good date would be comes fr…
/r/seduction08/05/25 01:33 PM
0

Men and women view congruence differently. For men, they view congruence as your internal emotions and external behavior are in alignment. For women, they define congruence as your appearance aligning with your external behaviors. If you look like a Chad and you don't act like one, women will probably be turned off. If you look like shit you are better off behaving like shit than acting like a Chad.
/r/seduction07/05/25 06:33 PM
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Do not wait. There is no such thing as a good girl, and also no such thing as a ho. They are all both and they are all neither. Women's sexual behavior exists in superposition. Their intent is based on how they categorize each individual guy they are talking to. If she says she is looking for something serious, that means with you specifically. She will withhold from you because she categorizes you as bf material so she cares about how you perceive her, and she doesn't want you to think she is e…
/r/seduction07/05/25 12:26 AM
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They are testing your communication patterns to confirm you are actually interested, but not over interested, it's a balancing act. Be interested in her, but not more than she is in you. They will put you in a position as to where you have no choice but to retext to show you are interested enough to follow up. Never follow up a third time or double text if you don't hear back after the initial retext or that makes you appear too interested which makes you appear not preselected, plus at that poi…
/r/seduction06/05/25 09:39 PM
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Girls that don't like you for having a player label don't matter. They are just using it as justification to disqualify you. Girls that do like you for having a player label also don't matter, they will always search for a bigger player. Girls that respect you for who you are "as is" are the only ones that matter.
/r/seduction06/05/25 07:50 PM
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It does not matter how much of a catch you are. The man that a woman considers her best option can change on a day to day basis based on her emotions, which are naturally unstable. Achieving outcome independence and learning how to stay detached has nothing to do with women. If you have so much as one higher priority than pussy that you are dedicated to regardless of how you feel, staying detached will come naturally. Women will not verbally say what actually makes them feel safe. The ability to…
/r/seduction06/05/25 07:34 PM
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I respond the same way a brick wall does. Girls dump their problems on you for the purpose of categorizing you based on how you respond. If she categorizes you as a caring friend or a shrink, she can't see you as a dildo. I'll like or heart the message/post mostly without responses and when I do respond, it's one word responses ..."yup", "ok" ,"sure". The lack of care actually satisfies girls safety mechanisms. In their own mind they think "he is barely paying attention and don't even care...he …
/r/seduction02/05/25 01:40 PM
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Declutter the advice and data piled up into your brain and focus on one thing: indifference. In 2025 women are only dealing with preselected men so u need to act like one especially when you are lacking options. The biggest trait that guys with options have is they are indifferent, you won't catch their eyes light up when talking to a hot girl and they won't raise their pitch or hasten their cadence when they speak, they don't get excited just because of physical beauty. If you had a GF or optio…
/r/seduction30/04/25 11:07 AM
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This makes no sense because women will often times ghost a guy BECAUSE the sex was good...a little too good, which can make the girl feel shame and regret, especially if she is seeing other guys that she actually likes and is withholding from. This is why one night stands exist, sometimes she just don't come back because how much she enjoyed it made her feel more evil than she aims to be.
/r/seduction29/04/25 02:34 PM
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There exists men that actually saw worse results with women during and after self improvement and putting in the work, I was one of them. You need to examine your motive. If; in any part of your mind or subconscious, you are doing the work for the women and not for yourself and your family; you will be using your improvements as a selling point either overtly or passively and entering into "try hard" energy. This is a huge turn off for women regardless of your looks and social skills because it …
/r/seduction28/04/25 06:45 PM
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They just happen. The key is to refrain from having any kind of logical verbal discussion about what you are looking for, which is opposite to most advice you will hear. Just have fun with the person and make sure your conversations revolve around sexually charged banter, this way whatever happens happens organically. You actually want to withhold physical touch during banter, this is likely to make the girl initiate physical touch first because you appear not urgent hence preselected. The way i…
/r/seduction28/04/25 01:25 PM
7

Wear a cowboy hat and thank me later
/r/seduction25/04/25 12:29 AM
3

You have to get rejected so many times that you get to the point where you have zero outcome dependency. Only then will it not hurt.
/r/seduction24/04/25 09:13 PM
1

Haha no. I'm 5'7", wear glasses and have damaged teeth. I am thicc but my time as an athlete still somewhat shows. I definitely behave like a hot guy though, I really had no choice but to maximize every non physical advantage i could get.
/r/seduction24/04/25 08:55 PM
1

My shit test to women is to send a text suggesting to talk over the ancient phone app later. The response, plus if a phone convo actually happens gives u all the answers you need.
/r/seduction24/04/25 08:51 PM
1

Never send more than one text consecutively without getting a response within a 48 hour period. Women put such high priority on their phones that they don't miss anything, which means if u get no response to the first text that you were intentionally ignored. For this reason, you double texting can be viewed by the woman as you having a fear of loss over someone you barely know. To be clear, even a high interest woman will ignore your texts sometimes to see how you handle it, which is why I said…
/r/seduction24/04/25 08:36 PM
2

I am convinced that the best day game requires no game at all. If you can have a regular conversation with a beautiful woman without motive, u would be shocked at how often they will flirt first or initiate physical touch, or even ask you out. Their own ego might tell them that if you aren't trying too hard to get her that u must already have women so you are safe. A simple mind hack is to talk to women as if they are 3 points lower on the beauty scale than they actually are. If she is a dime, t…
/r/seduction23/04/25 05:51 PM
1

The whole point is to not care and not concern yourself with making the woman like you because she already likes you or doesn't for simply existing. If you truly have enough of a life to not care about the outcomes, your behaviors will adjust automatically without having to put any thought into the technicals. Males operate on logic so some process the information easier when spoken at a technical level, but the key is to internalize it and not have to think about it.
/r/seduction23/04/25 05:41 PM
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This is both right and wrong. Exerting effort into creating a spark or creating attraction can put you into the kind of "try hard" energy that makes you appear not preselected which is an even bigger turnoff than lacking spark. It's important to use words and contexts that make a spark, but cadence and tone of voice is the most important thing so you appear to have options whether or not u actually do. If you go the cocky/funny route, say it slightly monotone with neutrality as if it doesn't mat…
/r/seduction23/04/25 02:24 PM
1

I have no idea since I go to great lengths to avoid the types of women that go to clubs. I would assume guys that are competent at club game are either male supermodels who don't actually need any type of skill to get laid, or other guys that completely mastered non verbal conversations because you really can't hear shit in those places.
/r/seduction22/04/25 11:50 PM
2

The best way to make both of you comfortable with exchanging contact info is to have a good enough conversation as to where it gets to the point of agreeing to go on a date or hang out, then ask for the number after that. You would need to touch base to confirm the date so exchanging numbers at that point is a natural part of the convo.
/r/seduction22/04/25 05:48 PM
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It's a way of behaving, it's in no way verbally saying you already have attractive women. Notice how guys that are happily married or taken or have a consistent rotation speak with neutral tone and don't feel "giddy" around beautiful women they just met. Selected guys like the owner of the club or captain of the basketball team won't even cold approach...there is no need, they are laid back chillin with their friends not going out of their way to pursue beauty. Focus on one word: urgency. The le…
/r/seduction22/04/25 12:18 AM
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They will talk like they are picky about the tangibles around others out of fear of judgment, but their behaviors prove that the thing they are actually picky about is how preselected the guy is. It makes sense seeing how their preselection senses are their biological safety mechanism. I just started talking and operating like I already have women at all times even if I don't. My dating life actually improved greatly when I was already past my physical and financial prime just by behaving with l…
/r/seduction21/04/25 08:39 PM
1

You don't need to put forth effort to seduce her, she is already in her deviant nature if she shows up just because you aren't the husband. You really just got to pull your cock out when she gets to the room. I don't recommend enabling cheating but I doubt anyone from the Internet can say much to stop you. Whatever you do, have reception hold your i.d. and keep all other valuables locked away somewhere else.
/r/seduction21/04/25 04:36 PM
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Nothing specific, I've seen them randomly on my yt shorts, somehow the algo knows I used to watch it. You don't want to emulate any specific convos regardless, just pick up on the foundation of his behaviors and internalize. I do know that YouTuber "Charisma on Command" covers Craig's personality as it pertains to men's game and shows the more important clips to demonstrate what he is teaching.
/r/seduction21/04/25 01:26 AM
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You are young, most guys don't understand until well into their 30s when they lose most of their friends to life circumstances anyway. You flirt by not flirting, that is a female thing. You flirt by creating openings for the girl to flirt with you. I highly recommend finding as much Craig Ferguson clips as you can and study his talking and body language. Female celebrities lined up to to get on the show to flirt with that guy. It's debated whether or not it's scripted, but many nuisances can't b…
/r/seduction20/04/25 11:22 PM
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Don't let it bother you because she is likely to hook up with some other guy that never gave her anything. If another guy tries to overpower you, he is basically sabotaging himself because women are attracted to the guys that don't have to sell themselves and show the least amount of "try hard" energy. She just posts stories about the gifts to feed her ego. The only way a guy wins by one upping you is if she was so physically attracted to him for simply existing that nothing he does can turn her…
/r/seduction20/04/25 07:38 PM
2

Harshness of rejection is based on how safe or unsafe the girl feels due to how the guy behaves. The same woman who brutally rejected one guy can reject a different guy in a completely civil manner. The brutal rejections come when the woman's safety mechanisms are triggered, which is when she senses you aren't preselected. This is what "creepy" actually means to women. Cordial and respectful rejections happen when she senses you are preselected but u aren't her physical type or she is simply una…
/r/seduction19/04/25 04:56 PM
11

I tell them I'm meeting people and not looking to jump into a relationship and I'm open to a relationship forming over time.
/r/seduction16/04/25 08:24 PM
2

The answers lie in wisdom that puas normally don't disclose. Escalating fast can make you appear urgent and not preselected, hence make the girl not feel safe. If you are her exact physical type she will disregard the concept temporarily and actually expect fast escalation, then after sleeping together and the blinders come off she senses the urgency. This is why alot of girls will not look for a repeat performance with guys that escalate quick and got into bed with them on physicality alone. Sl…
/r/seduction12/04/25 07:37 PM
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Women are even more prone to giving mixed signals or no signals when they actually like you to test your urgency. A good move is to put your face near hers as if you are about to kiss her then back off. Once you do that you will get clearer signs. If the girl likes you she might just go into labor breathing or blush or force a kiss onto you or initiate physical touch for teasing her and passing an urgency test. If she is neutral, she will act cold but keep regular conversation going to give u op…
/r/seduction12/04/25 02:27 PM
1

I can picture this being very effective, but self respect is more important than pickup. You will never catch me claiming I'm gay even if its a lie in a joking context. That's like saying "if my dick wasn't so small you would be mine."
/r/seduction11/04/25 03:04 PM
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Just be open and honest at the start that you are not that kind of girl and withhold until you are completely comfortable, but don't frame it like it's a rejection unless you already cathing the wrong vibes. the right type of guy for you will respect you for it, he won't think less of you. I respect my current girl more than anyone I dated because she was the only one who was not easy. If you go on dates with a guy without spending nights together and his communication patterns and emotions rema…
/r/seduction10/04/25 12:14 PM
2

When reciprocating interest, keep in mind that women define reciprocation differently. When a woman reciprocates our interest we like our interest to validated, women do not. That's the difference between men's and women's game. When a woman gives you a compliment or openly shows interest, she is subconsciously testing you in a positive manner even if she is genuinely interested. She will gauge how preselected you are by how you respond to the display of interest. All you have to do is remove an…
/r/seduction10/04/25 11:40 AM
1

You can't show zero interest or nothing will happen. The key is to maintain a lower interest in the girl than she has in you to instill a sense of uncertainty. Women like men who aren't won over too easily. For example, giving compliments gets a bad rep because most guys deliver them with certainty. You want to use a tone of voice and choice of words that project "half lie" energy. So instead of lifting your emotions while saying "I love that dress! It makes you look beautiful!", you remain leve…
/r/seduction10/04/25 10:33 AM
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I think you handled it right and let rationality win over how u might feel, u pulled back a little and resumed normalcy as she did. Women just test for urgency, it's a natural process that can be performed both voluntarily and involuntarily such as breathing, she might not be aware she was doing that, the fact her communication patterns didn't abruptly shift means you passed. In your current state its even more important to be chill and non chalant, check your urgency at all times. Don't put any…
/r/seduction09/04/25 04:19 PM
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When you have options your tone of voice and cadence of speech and body language automatically change with the shift in energy that comes with being preselected and you appear less urgent. You are no longer suddenly shifting your internal emotions and external behaviors just because a girl is cute. if you are lacking options, you simply train yourself to emulate the traits of a preselected man until you become one. Perceived preselection is still effective because women prioritize the illusion o…
/r/seduction08/04/25 03:12 PM
0

Don't sleep with anybody until you have at least 3 options. I can write a book on why, but to summarize; by withholding from your first and second options, you are creating perceived preselection to compensate for lack of actual preselection to get a rolling start so u can attract that third woman at which point your s.m.v. shifts from perceived to actual so u don't need to withhold with any of them. Don't worry about creating perceived preselection at first...women see no difference between ill…
/r/seduction08/04/25 01:12 PM
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It's a dystopian way of leveraging the fact that the internet is more real to women than actual reality and take it more serious than real life because of the vulnerability to hive thinking. At my current age I cringe at the thought of having to market and show off my lifestyle, it just feels like that kind of effort is putting myself into "try hard" energy when the best flings and relationships I had pursued me for simply existing and everything was effortless...but with those women the interne…
/r/seduction08/04/25 12:46 PM
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I'm committed to my girl now but before I had as much as 4 women on call to regularly sleep with. I never took those 4 women on romantic dates or even really liked them at first. What they all had in common is they knew exes of mine and other women I was involved with at that time or in the past. I didn't show too much interest but the more I resisted the harder they pushed to the point of not requiring dates or resources to have sex. I had no idea what preselection was, but that is what did it,…
/r/seduction08/04/25 12:32 AM
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You were afraid because your own instincts were calling you out on weakness. You really liked her...why? Because she was so beautiful? Liking someone you don't even know because of beauty is the same thing as judging a book by its cover. Not only can women smell that weakness from miles away, your own mind tries to reject it in the form of fear. Remember that beauty if so powerful that Adam sentenced all of us to mortality over it. Show you can't be deceived by beauty or even by your own thought…
/r/seduction05/04/25 12:35 AM
1

Getting out of the friendzone is nearly impossible but not completely impossible. There is only one way... physically confirmable preselection. Sleep with one of the girl's friends and her tune changes real quick.
/r/seduction04/04/25 11:00 PM
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Always make friends with women. My current girl and I were platonic friends in the beginning because I wasn't interested in dating or hooking up with anyone at the time and she wasn't available but we were able to talk to each other too easily and we became adventure partners for Pokemon Go🤣. A few months later she got mad at the guy she was seeing and ended up in bed with me for experimental purposes and somehow that turned into a relationship. Goes to show what regular conversations and regula…
/r/seduction04/04/25 02:23 AM
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I'm against cold approach, emphasis on cold, it's automatic try hard energy. I'm all for regular conversation, that is how you get the furthest with a woman. Maybe I'm different. If I hit on my current gf and asked her out right off the bat before getting to know her a little bit, I wouldn't be with her.
/r/seduction02/04/25 11:11 PM
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Approach anxiety is hardwired into every mans DNA as an evolutionary safety mechanism. Being rejected could have got you exiled or worse during tribal times. We don't run in tribes in modern times so that anxiety can be disregarded. Some guys know how to be above it, some don't. The best way to rise above approach anxiety is to know why it exists. For me, I'm against cold approach because it can make a man appear not preselected. It can make a girl feel unsafe unless you happen to be her ideal p…
/r/seduction02/04/25 03:57 PM
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It could be good or bad. Good if she considers it courageous, bad if you showed too much interest.
/r/seduction31/03/25 10:23 PM
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The biggest thing modern men need to refrain from talking about is their self improvement successes. Doing that shows you were exerting that effort for everyone except yourself. You want to come across as you were born exactly as you are right now and never needed improvement.
/r/seduction30/03/25 03:12 PM
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I would actually agree with you if you didn't miss the context of what I was trying to to convey. I'm talking about what women naturally do without even being aware of it so o.p. can be aware of it, it has nothing to do with mens game or being manipulative, it's how to not be manipulated.
/r/seduction30/03/25 03:09 PM
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Don't worry about being cocky. In fact I recommend disagreeing in the most narcissistic way possible, but stay level headed.
/r/seduction29/03/25 09:03 PM
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Anything up to a week is completely normal. Women test you for urgency and certainty, even if they aren't aware that is what they are doing. Anything less than a week and she could be interested and is just assessing your communication patterns compared to her other options and seeing how eager you are. One week is the drawn line, if you don't hear from her after 7 days, she is not interested and neither should you be.
/r/seduction29/03/25 05:26 PM
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If the vibes are good she probably likes you. Girls pull back when they don't like you as a soft rejection. Girls still pull back all the same when they do like you in order to test how preselected you are. They may or may not know they are testing you, it is natural, it's a safety mechanism.. Pull back before she does. Men develop feelings through time together, women develop feelings via time apart. I personally would disappear and not touch base until I get back from vacation. Then she is won…
/r/seduction29/03/25 02:56 PM
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Fair point. If I may add, a man should never verbally sell himself on said values or he will negate the worth of those values and get caught up in "try hard" aura. Acting on your values can make you appear not preselected if not presented correctly. My boundaries are based on my values, but I never logically discuss my boundaries, I silently enforce them by walking away from misbehavior because there is always other women.
/r/seduction29/03/25 12:45 PM
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This situation is better than you think. Think about 3rd grade science when you learned how magnets work. Common poles repel, opposing poles attract. Polarity also applies to men and women. It's often easier to attract your opposite because you are more likely to behave in an outcome independent manner. Don't worry about fishing for common ground to talk about or having logical conversation in the first place,you want to banter, you want the interaction to be all vibe. Watch some old Craig Fergu…
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:47 AM
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Don't see it as nice guys lose and scumbags win, that is male thinking and male logic. According to the female lens of attraction: Unselected men lose and preselected men win. The greatest demonstrator of preselection is outcome independence. Scumbags just happen to naturally display outcome independent behavior, and nice guys are naturally outcome dependent. The real winners are good men, which are not the same as nice guys. Good men are far more morally aligned than nice guys because they know…
/r/seduction29/03/25 10:49 AM
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Get both of them by intentionally stirring up drama. Men hate drama, which is why most of us avoid it. If you avoid it, you can't leverage it. Women get turned on when you are the cause of turbulence and drama and not the effect. They are fully willing to share a guy who is like that despite the harsh words they will say, just watch how they act.
/r/seduction28/03/25 09:35 PM
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They bait you into reciprocating interest so they can gauge how preselected you are. Men tend to let green lights automatically make them too interested in someone they don't even know, and that's bad. If you approach in a way that shows your interest level exceeds hers, she will feel annoyed or even unsafe even if she was actually interested at first. That doesn't mean do nothing, it means keep your desire in check. Create a situation where she is the simp. For example, if I catch a girl starin…
/r/seduction28/03/25 08:56 PM
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It depends what you want to seduce. Seduce means to charm, to win over, to gain favor with and can really apply to anything. You can seduce her mind with intellect. You can seduce her heart with romance. You can seduce her vagina with "seduction" content that is discussed on here, although some people give and seek advice that should really be in the dating sub.
/r/seduction28/03/25 12:25 AM
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It sounds logical but still emotional motive. I don't like most women. I really like some including my girlfriend. I don't over invest in any woman regardless if I like or dislike them. Even my girl can just decide to leave one day if she sees an opportunity to "upgrade", and I won't let it destroy me.
/r/seduction27/03/25 05:59 PM
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I was disgusted by her behavior, which is very likely why she slept with me, women do not operate on logic. I wouldn't have feelings for someone like that which is exactly why she kept coming back. BTW don't fall for the classy act, those girls are the real masters of deception. They win your heart easier so they can fuck it up even worse. They are just better at covering their tracks and practicing discretion, they get ran through more than the unclassy modern type.
/r/seduction27/03/25 03:56 PM
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My eureka moment came when I decided to completely stop trying one night. I just wanted to go to the bar, get a drink and work on my laptop, I wasn't there to meet people. The girl a few stools away from me brutally rejected 3 men within 20 minutes that cold approached her while she was reading her kindle at the bar. I eventually got up to use the restroom and I had to walk within a couple feet of her so I acknowledged her with a deadpan "sup" and her eyes light up and she introduces herself for…
/r/seduction27/03/25 01:53 PM
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I remember our Offensive tackle from highschool football. He was north of 300, easily the fattest dude in the school...he was also an All State Tackle. He never once acted like he held his weight against himself, I shit you not he was the biggest ladies' man, every hot girl surrounded him to banter with him, he had his choice of women. It didn't compute in my mind at the time because I was in the best shape of my life and one of the top athletes yet I couldn't get a girlfriend or get laid to sav…
/r/seduction27/03/25 01:19 AM
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The best way to keep your desire under control on a date is to already have other women you can sleep with. This will not only autocorrect your mindset and behaviors, the girl will desire you more and feel safer with you because she senses you are preselected. This is why the players can't seem to lose. Nobody was born with options, so u need to take what you can get for a rolling start like most of us have done. Sometimes you need to take a grenade and do a 6 a favor in order to act right aroun…
/r/seduction26/03/25 01:43 PM
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You can treat women well and with respect and still turn them on. You just need to be non chalant and not lift your emotions while doing so. Treat her positive, but have neutral tone and cadence and body language so you maintain a degree of uncertainty and your kindness comes off as "half true" so she has room to chase you and you demonstrate preselection. You have a daughter, your preselection is confirmed, you just need to act like it and be respectful at the same time.
/r/seduction25/03/25 10:59 PM
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You don't want to verbally set boundaries or "lead" anyone besides yourself, these girls perceive you as not preselected when you do that. Just silently enforce your boundaries, if she misbehaves then you walk without prior warning. She'll call back.
/r/seduction25/03/25 10:51 PM
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Social media is more real to women than actual reality so they take it more serious than real life. This is because women are very susceptible to hive mindsets, most women think how the majority of other women think, that has been the same since the beginning humanity. Because of this, women are very vulnerable to being internet controlled and big business takes full advantage including the social and dating companies. Millennial women are even more susectible because they adopt the traits of th…
/r/seduction25/03/25 05:01 PM
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Social media is more real to women than actual reality so they take it more serious than real life. This is because women are very susceptible to hive mindsets, most women think how the majority of other women think, that has been the same since the beginning humanity. Because of this, women are very vulnerable to being internet controlled and big business takes full advantage including the social and dating companies. Millennial women are even more susectible because they adopt the traits of th…
/r/seduction25/03/25 05:01 PM
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You aren't overthinking, you are correct to question this scenario because your instincts are telling you it's a trap. With the logistics and travelling, big effort is required. You are practically guaranteed to get stood up or not have the meet up go well; regardless if her intentions are pure or deviant. Even if she is looking forward to it now, once you go through with traveling and showing up, her feelings will most likely immediately shift because you exerting that kind of effort sets off f…
/r/seduction23/03/25 04:48 PM
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Alot of the bad girls ain't as bad as u think either. Some women make the mistake of assuming us men are attracted to the same things that they are, such as preselection and overall bad behavior so alot of it is a facade in certain cases.
/r/seduction22/03/25 04:43 PM
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Don't invest in any woman other than your mother and grandma because those are the only women capable of loving you unconditionally. The less you invest, the more girls will respect you because women know how women operate.
/r/seduction22/03/25 04:39 PM
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Yes and no. What we define as "manipulative", women define as "competent". If you know how to talk and behave in a way that makes a girl horny and seesaws her emotions, it's easy to to consider yourself manipulative but women consider it competence in regards to how they operate, and competence is very attractive to go girls, even moreso than confidence.
/r/seduction22/03/25 03:33 PM
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This is easy. You make yourself the hot guy that is expendable. If you are expendable, the girl will sleep with you faster because she won't care if you perceive her as a ho and she is more likely to keep coming back without pressuring you into commitment. Look your best but focus on behaviors that make you appear detached but stimulate emotion at the same time. Never talk about your money, status, or self improvement achievements, you don't want to be a "catch" or she will withhold for awhile a…
/r/seduction22/03/25 03:29 PM
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Believe it or not, the girls at the bars and clubs are more likely to be honest with you and behave in an honest manner than a good girl. Traditional "good girls" are masters of deception and are proficient at winning over your heart so it hurts more when they smash it. The only difference between them and the liberal modern women is that the good girls cover their tracks better and are more discreet. With that said, broaden your options and eliminate the separation of good and bad girls in your…
/r/seduction22/03/25 03:14 PM
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I have this thing where I remain a proper gentleman with the mannerisms and tonality that give the gentleman thing the "half lie" effect. It's tough to explain but I polarize conversations to bait the girl into using innuendo or saying something dirty so I can accuse her of being a pervert. Women's emotions are opposite to logic, so if I expect her to be sexually explicit I have to withhold from doing the same to create the opening to make said accusation.
/r/seduction22/03/25 12:07 AM
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Talking is logical discussion and involves connectivity and certainty. Flirting is illogical and involves uncertainty and a level of detachment. It's banter. Watch some old Craig Ferguson clips. He's not trying to overly connect with his female guests or try to get to know them too much, he's keeping it stupid and fraught with innuendo. He often accuses the woman of being the pervert or baiting her into behaving like one.
/r/seduction20/03/25 07:32 PM
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I don't think that is going anywhere. Girls will give their IG to anybody to pad their follower total or add another source of free attention. If a girl tries giving me IG when I ask for a phone number, I tell her it was nice to meet her and talk to someone else. I wouldn't be with my current girl if I didn't operate like that. I consider light use or no use of social media the ultimate green flag, so I test for it and abide by my expectations by not using the platforms myself. No girl that was …
/r/seduction19/03/25 07:27 PM
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This stuff is all based on male logic. It does work for some but not most. Women live on romance novel mindsets. They want to fix the problematic man, and when they know they succeeded; they move on to the next story. Women are turned on by the questionable potential for romance and turned off when the man actually becomes romantic. Our logical minds think women prioritize stuff like status, money, fitness, connection and romance. None of these things are a problem that she needs to fix. Womens …
/r/seduction19/03/25 06:57 PM
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The best way to get over Ed is to cure it. The people who make the money off the treatments are the same people causing the epidemic via their other products and companies and influence within the FDA and government. Research stuff that naturally increases blood flow and opens capillaries. You can increase free testosterone simply by making exercising your first priority every morning, even if it's 4am, this will reset your metabolism to more natural tune with your biological clock. Avoid any br…
/r/seduction19/03/25 12:38 AM
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You don't. men are genetically programmed to punish ourselves when we don't act on an opportunity, so remember this feeling of wanting to beat yourself up because it is worse than rejection. Rejection is not guaranteed if you act. Feeling like you want to kick your own ass is guaranteed if you don't act.
/r/seduction17/03/25 03:06 AM
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A girl that is interested in you will sometimes ghost to see if you are interested enough to re initiate contact. You send one text a couple days later. Never send additional or consecutive texts when you get no response for any reason. If you use that one text rule and additional days go by with no response, safe to say she isn't interested. In your case, I think she is being transparent about the ex still being involved as misdirection. She didn't want to tell you about the Chad she sleeps wit…
/r/seduction13/03/25 05:17 PM
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Stop with the mindset that women give you multiple individual and unique tests. Your entire time knowing the girl is a long, sustained test that is occuring 24/7 to assess how preselected you are. The preselected guy has no attachment to the outcome and would have either agreed and exaggerated or ignored it all together and change the subject. She's always testing you, so always be in an outcome independent mindset and your responses and behaviors will autocorrect.
/r/seduction12/03/25 10:54 PM
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That Asian dude will get cheated on with her ex. The same thing always happens when crushing on alpha widows. Being a man means knowing what not to do. Crushing on and pursuing someone for years is bad business. Your either there to put the hammer down or you walk.
/r/seduction10/03/25 12:14 AM
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That is what they will tell you because they don't want to hand the game to us on a silver platter. Don't listen to what they say, watch how they behave. When 99% of guys don't behave right, women have no choice but to get with the 5% that have the ideal physicality. Even most of those guys don't understand the female lens of attraction. All women prioritize preselected men. It's a safety mechanism. Great physical appearance is a strong demonstrator of preselection, but outcome independent behav…
/r/seduction09/03/25 07:59 PM
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Here's the secret they won't tell you. Hotter girls are EASIER to impress because they are used to every guy changing how they behave around them. They actually do prioritize mindset over appearance because the outcome independent man is the safest bet for survival. If Chad approaches a hottie and he shifts his emotions and is getting "giddy" when he talks and raises his tone and cadence, he becomes Brad from her perspective. She would be more likely to go on a date with you if you talk like you…
/r/seduction09/03/25 06:08 PM
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I considered Casey Zander the most competent and legit for a long time...until the contradicting of himself started along with the rest of them. They all constantly change their own information to keep the subscriptions coming, they are trying to mislead you. You need a trusted man in your life that can teach you in person. The one thing I can confirm is the hotter the girl, the safer she feels when the guy talking to her is of calm mind. Start with that. Talk to so many attractive women that yo…
/r/seduction09/03/25 05:41 PM
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They make you pay by attacking your sense of self worth the second you try to take the lead or act like a man
/r/seduction09/03/25 03:28 PM
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Older women that are available are available because they show alpha behavioral traits such as leadership and assertiveness. So...to establish sexual polarity you need to unapologetically act like a beta. You can get away with double texting and fast responses and simping in general, tell her how much you want her... just do it without hesitation... ...which brings me to my question: why do u want older?! I've been there and I learned the hard way; they find ways to make you pay either way, even…
/r/seduction09/03/25 03:19 AM
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I don't encourage sounding like a robot. I do encourage talking like you aren't exerting effort to make the girl like you, she should be the one exerting the effort because women are the choosers. The way a woman defines "controlling" is when a man is trying to influence her desire level. When you do that, you appear not preselected which makes women feel unsafe.
/r/seduction05/03/25 06:24 PM
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You are fine. Texting is the shit test that cannot be passed. women are turned of by communication via cell phone despite never being able to put their phone down. The invention of the cell phone steered humanity into unnatural communication patterns that remove the value from the communication. In the 90s you had to ride your bike uphill in the rain to get to a payphone to call the girl you like because your sibling was hogging the dial up for AOL hence disabling your land line. That kind of co…
/r/seduction05/03/25 02:45 PM
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It might work, it might not. If you pull it off, the vibe will be forced and u will resent each other. Either way you will lose respect for yourself for not having the options to pick someone that actually likes you.
/r/seduction05/03/25 01:31 PM
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Say whatever you want as long as you keep a neutral tone. Compliments don't turn women off. The way most men deliver the compliments is what turns women off or even startles them. Most guys would say "your nails look good! You must've took your time with them!" and they are giddy and raising their emotions when they say it. You can say something similar but non chalantly without an excited exclamation. "I like the nails, seems like you put in work". Say it like it's normal conversation with an e…
/r/seduction04/03/25 02:25 AM
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If she agreed to come over, all you have to do is not fuck up. If you don't let your desire for her exceed her desire for you, you won't fuck it up. She is interested enough to come over in the first place, so what will turn her off is you exerting effort into making her interested when she already is. Be effortless and don't get caught up in "try hard" energy. Create gaps for her to close. Be a tease. If she leans in, lean away with a smirk. If she initiates physical touch, tell her to behave h…
/r/seduction04/03/25 02:05 AM
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No. We like the hourglass shape, women like the slim v-taper build. A man with that physique will generate more sexual attraction than the rich guys with status who lack that physique even if the man in question lacks money/status. Ask any woman who they think is hotter: "Vin Diesel or Paul Walker?". The vast majority will give the same answer. A woman is actually more likely to quickly sleep with a broke loser with an ideal physique because he is expendable so she don't care if he perceives her…
/r/seduction03/03/25 03:51 PM
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There really is no correlation, there was something different about this whole thing. You might say I held the same pet peeve but this person fixed me. Most of the time if a girl was playing "the good girl game" and claiming she wants to wait, i already knew she was full of shit and getting ran through which is why withholding never lasted more than 24 hours in the past. This girl slept with me nightly without having sex with me. I did not know what pair bonding even was until then. She didn't p…
/r/seduction03/03/25 06:08 AM
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Cutting cell phone use has major implications in modern dating and seduction in addition to general mental and social health. Women are actually turned off by communication via cell phone, it gets us hooked on unnatural communication patterns and the frequency and instantaneousality removed all value of the communications. In the past you had to ride your bike to the store uphill in the rain to use the payphone to call the girl you liked because your sister was hogging the landline hence also di…
/r/seduction03/03/25 05:57 AM
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Every fling and serious girlfriend up until my current sucked and swallowed and rode within 24 hours of the first date if not during and every one of those girls eventually made me pay one way or the other. I decided if I want quality I have to be quality. I also withheld sex when I knew she wanted it, yet she spent all her time with me, we bonded in a way neither of us experienced prior.
/r/seduction03/03/25 05:38 AM
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I take my girlfriend seriously because she showed capability for loyalty through her actions. when we were first dating she waited for months to sleep with me while exerting effort to support my purpose and develop mutual respect with me.
/r/seduction03/03/25 05:20 AM
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The rules that apply to most of us don't apply to the hottest guy you ever met. If his physique and appearance were your exact type then your instincts automatically disregard his behaviors.
/r/seduction02/03/25 12:31 AM
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Players don't lift their emotions or feel "giddy" when talking to attractive women. If the girl gets excited and raises her tone of voice or hastens her vocal cadence, the player keeps his tone and cadence the same. If the girl gets flustered and makes fidgety movements, the player keeps his movements disciplined. If the girl gets hyper and emotional, the player remains non chalant. A player never mirrors the girls changes in behavior, he remains who he is, and women love a brick wall that can't…
/r/seduction01/03/25 09:48 PM
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Her attitude never changed. She was disinterested from the start. The days of girls rejecting guys directly and respectfully are done. They will lead you on while physically present and likely give u a number or I.g. until you separate then she either ignores u completely or rejects u over text. This isn't good or bad, it's a modern safety method. There are a lot of psychos out there that would actually retaliate verbally or physically to an in person rejection, so girls no longer chance it...th…
/r/seduction01/03/25 09:02 PM
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I don't suggest anyone who wants a healthy relationship listen to me. I stay relevant to the purpose of this SEDUCTION sub.
/r/seduction28/02/25 10:07 PM
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Who did 2 things wrong. If you don't kiss her, don't hug her either. Tell her you had fun and walk away with no look backs. Create an emotional and physical "gap" so she desires to close that gap. Do not mention or even hint at a second date while still on the first date. Women get extremely turned off when you future pace a scenario with them in the early stages, it's premature investment that can; according to her emotions; make you appear not preselected by other women so she feels unsafe.
/r/seduction28/02/25 08:51 PM
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They are the best at the "good girl game". They bait you investing prematurely to justify disqualifying you while still sleeping with some Chad that didn't invest.
/r/seduction28/02/25 04:58 PM
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I prefer liberal states, oddly enough against my own political views. Conservative women are experts on deception. The only difference between a traditional, conservative feminine woman and a modern, liberal boss babe is that the traditional woman is better at covering her tracks. With that said it's best to be active in the populated areas which are mostly blue.
/r/seduction28/02/25 03:11 PM
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You need legit grounds to pull back. Girls instantly sense if you are pulling back as a tactic, and depending how her emotions are at the time, she may not buy it and you wont hear from her again. Many p.u.a.s talk about using false time constraints to pull back after starting a conversation, but that is bullshit. Men ain't supposed to lie, they should leverage the truth even if it needs to be stretched. Use true time constraints. You should always have something constructive to do anyway.
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:52 PM
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The thing about being a psych patient is that people will tell you to do what you have already been doing for years in condescending all caps. If it wasn't for therapy, I'd aggressively tell you to go fuck yourself. Now I can politely and confidently tell you to go fuck yourself.
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:45 PM
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You can watch How I met your mother season 4 then rethink this scenario.
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:39 PM
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Marshalls/HomeGoods. Any woman who picks out their husbands clothes for them is already looking for an out.
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:06 PM
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Women LOVE being approached by a guy who is competent enough to not talk and behave in ways that turn them off. Most guys just don't act like normal, regardless of how they built their appearance and status...which is why approaching in person grew a negative rap. I lost count of how many times I watched a guy much more handsome than myself try to talk to a girl only to get the eye roll from hell or brutally dismissed...I am a non Chad yet had no problem talking to those same girls. It's because…
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:02 PM
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It's a game and the whole point of any game is to have fun. I view them as my opponent.
/r/seduction25/02/25 01:47 PM
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There are two reasons why a woman would initiate the man and give her number. She is a super high interest woman, your mere existence and presence is enough for her to want you, she sees you as a Chad. Or.. ...she needed an ego boost and some free attention because she can't get it from the Chad she is sleeping with. Women are on their phones 24/7. High interest women won't delay responses or ghost or play texting games. Neutral women you can attract by playing their game and beating them at it,…
/r/seduction25/02/25 01:25 AM
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Every problem in modern dating stems from men positively reinforceing bad behavior. If you have an affair with a married woman, you are rewarding bad behavior with your cock. She will wake up the next morning with her emotions telling her you are weak for rewarding infidelity and will be turned off. If you want one night with her, you really just need to get her alone and whip it out if she is already attracted to you. If this is someone you want more than one night with, you need to get closer …
/r/seduction24/02/25 06:39 PM
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It really doesn't matter if you are or jerk or narcissist or are charming or are sweet. What will turn the girl on or off is how preselected she thinks you are regardless of the above. If you remain neutral to beauty and behave as such through lowering your vocal tone and steadying your cadence, discipline your movements, refraining from letting your eyes light up or smiling too big... you appear to have options of higher quality and suddenly she don't get turned off by you being sweet and charm…
/r/seduction24/02/25 01:33 PM
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Remember this. Girls keep sleeping with the guys they complain about. The things that turn girls on are the same things that piss them off. If you do stuff that arouses them such as pulling back or being a grand master narcissist or seeing multiple women without trying too hard to hide it; they will complain to their friends and sometimes be verbally harsh towards you...but observe their behavior, how they behave does not lie. Remember high school 101. When a girl didn't stop complaining about a…
/r/seduction23/02/25 01:56 PM
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I got over it by using logic and learning anthropology. In the distant past, rejection had serious consequences, you could be exiled or even executed. Over time men evolved instincts to prevent those consequences, and the anxiety we feel is that instinct written on our DNA. Our own genes are telling us "don't do it, it's not worth the trouble". Every single man inherently has approach anxiety. Part 2 was understanding that all this no longer applies because we no longer operate under tribal law.…
/r/seduction23/02/25 01:27 PM
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Was that a humble bragg?🤣
/r/seduction22/02/25 10:30 PM
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Be careful, some aspects of masculinity turn women off and they deceived men for thousands of years into thinking the opposite. Don't lead her, lead yourself. Don't verbally set boundaries, both these things confirm investment. Women want you to enforce your boundaries without having to have a logical conversation about it. If you are outcome independent, you can silently walk away if she displeases you and spend time with someone who is pleasing.
/r/seduction22/02/25 10:29 PM
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He is interested, which is why he's pretending it never happened. He's being outcome independent so he don't make you feel like a deer in headlights .
/r/seduction22/02/25 07:51 PM
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You are half wrong. The physical metamorphosis transformed your mentality and you likely started behaving like a preselected man. You were able to let go of the past and gained outcome independence and likely don't go into your interactions with try hard energy. It's good that you turned things around but it's ultimately all about mindset...sometimes it takes a complete physical overhaul to help address it. S.m.v. is based on your looks, money,status; what you bring to the table for the girls be…
/r/seduction22/02/25 07:25 PM
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Clubs are the same as dating apps. Everything is 100% superficial. I've pulled at clubs but I was a Chad at the time, and yes...all i had to do was introduce myself and not put a thought into it. That ain't happening for my old fat ass now. In regular everyday settings, good game can overcome average looks. At bars and clubs game is pointless, your looks do the work. That isn't even an excuse because the things within a mans control can bring him from a 6 to a 9. If you get an attractive haircut…
/r/seduction22/02/25 07:15 PM
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When starting with low experience, focus on perceived preselection until you gain actual preselection. The biggest demonstrator of selection is outcome independence. You don't need to put on an "act". Practice the behaviors until they become your default, no different than practicing free throws so you can become good at it. There are things you can do to see positive response from women in the real world even with zero experience. Go out solo if you have to and start with interactions that you …
/r/seduction22/02/25 06:59 PM
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If they consider you a provider they want to give you that kind of pleasure in order to control the rest of your life via child support or STDs. If they think you are a Chad then they want to have your kid fully knowing you won't be around to raise him/her as a reminder of her conquest for sustained ego.
/r/seduction22/02/25 05:33 PM
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When dealing with groups, I talk to the hottest girl that isn't my target. If there are men involved I try to befriend them. I'll actually try to get the men away from the group to talk with them and figure out who is with who and if any of the girls are available. If you have the blessing of the guy friends or the attention of the hottest girl, the group will not only be ok with you gaming your target, they might actively help you.
/r/seduction22/02/25 02:00 PM
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During the initial stages you have no choice but to chat over texts. She will go silent or pull back even if she is interested to test your interest and see if you initiate. If you don't hear from her for two days, send one follow up text on the 3rd day but never double text. The key is to remain LESS interested in the girl than she is in you, that does not mean you act uninterested. It's about balance. One followup text is ok, double or triple texting in response to silence is letting your inte…
/r/seduction22/02/25 01:51 PM
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I'm ok, I stopped resenting women a long time ago, I accept their nature for what it is. I'm not pissed at all bees because a few stung me as they were designed to do. TBH My mother is a saint and I grew up expecting the same kind of love from a potential gf or wife, so when reality hit, it hit hard. She loved and took care of my dad all the way up until he passed, I failed to realize that it was a 1 in a million marriage and thought it was common so I expected to find the same thing. It was a p…
/r/seduction22/02/25 01:44 PM
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Take it with a grain of salt. Both genders make the same mistake in regards to thinking that the things that attract them also attract the opposite gender. Women like preselected men, so some girls will think that men are attracted to the same trait and they think they are turning you on by showing that a lot of other men are/were into them.
/r/seduction21/02/25 10:30 PM
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Maybe the percentage is higher than the Internet would make us believe. Nearly all my friends have done it like they were born knowing how to pull, and not all these guys are exactly confident or Chads, it just came naturally to them. I've even closed the same night when I had no idea what I was doing. I thought she was annoying so i didn't even pay attention to her, in fact I tried to avoid her...she wasn't having it so i gave it to her just to shut her up. That is the lesson...the girl will of…
/r/seduction21/02/25 01:02 AM
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Ending the dates usually involves me doing the same. We hug and walk away. Difference is that I'm not afraid of being seen as needy because I know I'm not. After the first date, I don't text until she does UNLESS 3 days already past. On day four I will send one followup text. After that I don't text at all unless I'm responding to a text from her. I don't send multiple consecutive texts for any reason. If the girl is very interested, she will trick you with silence as if she isn't to see what yo…
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:27 PM
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En el momento en que te emocionas es el momento en que la pierdes. Una vez que tu nivel de interés supera al de la mujer, ella se siente insegura.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:08 PM
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Women are not capable of truly loving anybody except for their kids. They can love how you make them feel, but not the person that you are. If you ain't looking for anything serious, the above is good news. Even if you were seeking commitment, the rules are the same. Seek respect. Only God and hopefully your mother can love you without conditions. It's not even a woman's job to unconditionally love a man, but she can respect him. Opposite applys to us. We can't truly respect any woman with a bod…
/r/seduction20/02/25 08:53 PM
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In the U.S. it's as easy as showing up to a bar in a cowboy hat and having some form of karaoke skill. In Europe you should probably set yourself up for easier access to the cities.
/r/seduction20/02/25 06:06 PM
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45. I'm in a committed relationship that is very mutually successful so far, and me and my girl both want a kid, but she wants to finish her PhD and internships first. That would put me at 40. As a future botanist she is open to the whole "lower 48" for work, so I'm adding five years to compensate for the inevitable relocation and breakup.
/r/seduction20/02/25 06:00 PM
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Commitment free sex definitely increases happiness. It increases it to the point where it takes the meaning from the more important things that should make you happy. Women know it can affect you in this manner, which is why they test you for discipline in the form of detachment during casual situations.
/r/seduction20/02/25 05:52 PM
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I'm me and you are you, outcome independence works for me, I can only speak from my own real world experience. I've failed countless times by letting my interest level exceed the womens'. My current girl is a grad student working on her dissertation, she is smarter and more logical than myself, but still female. I don't simulate indifference or "act" preselected, my past made me actually indifferent and preselected, though not necessarily in the right way. In the beginning I didn't care if she l…
/r/seduction20/02/25 02:38 PM
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Your responses are completely logical and that's the point. A woman's emotions are direct opposite to male logic, which is why I only deal with high interest women. Indifference from the start is my shit test to them determine if the desire is there from the start. Yes, with neutral or luke warm women, you need to play the game and it might work..until they realize you tried to manipulate their interest level. This is how women define "controlling" when they accuse a man of being too controlling…
/r/seduction20/02/25 12:49 PM
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When the girl says something that obviously shifts the vibe from platonic to sexual. This isn't necessarily compliments. If she teases you or calls you a dumbass with a big smile, that's exactly what you want to hear.
/r/seduction20/02/25 01:15 AM
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Cold approach is now more effective than ever before.l, it's how you set yourself apart from her thousands of Internet options. People among the younger crowd will throw around buzz words like "cringe" and "weird" in regards to approaching without internet involved. That is because most guys act weird when they attempt it. Don't label it as "cold approach"; you are giving a regular greeting and having a regular convo with a human being. Go in without "try hard" energy and never sell yourself bas…
/r/seduction20/02/25 12:51 AM
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Go for the populated areas. The difference between non traditional and traditional women is the traditional women covers their tracks better.
/r/seduction19/02/25 03:14 AM
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Marshalls and HomeGoods for cougars, whole foods for damaged goods, Barns and Noble for nerds, dispensaries for hippies, courthouses for sluts.
/r/seduction19/02/25 12:39 AM
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I have to put in so much effort and be my best just so she shares her presence with me Confidence with women comes from competence regarding how they operate. When you understand women's emotions are opposite to your logic, you become competent enough to know that exerting effort into getting laid or forming a relationship is exactly what turns them off. The less effort you exert the more effort she will put forward. In this regard, seduction is opposite of self improvement. You put maximum effo…
/r/seduction18/02/25 03:51 PM
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The device in your pocket deceived you. Unnatural communication patterns turn women off faster than anything, and the invention of the cell phone has made it all too easy to over communicate before and between dates and unknowingly demonstrating perceived non selection. In other words if you communicate too much via cell phone for more than setting up or confirming a date, the girl assumes you lack options equal to or greater than her quality, making her feel unsafe. Cell phone communication tur…
/r/seduction18/02/25 02:04 PM
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You have the right to be mad at yourself because you committed . If you have to verbally set or enforce a boundary the girl takes it as weakness and exits anyway because it confirms your investment and makes her think you can't do better than her. The solution is never commit until God calls you to do so.
/r/seduction18/02/25 01:05 PM
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Don't someone up as a tactic. Have such an active life that it just happens
/r/seduction18/02/25 12:39 PM
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Shy and insecure girls are the most deceptive, even if they don't intend to be. They make you feel like you have to exert effort and make a big push to sexualize the situation, but they want the opposite. Safety is a big thing with this type of girl, and all women feel safer the more preselected you are, so be outcome independent. You should sit back and chill as if you can easily get some elsewhere. Lean away and she is more likely to lean in. Withhold physical touch and she is more likely to t…
/r/seduction17/02/25 11:37 PM
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Models can be deceptive. If you register the concepts into your mind as "tactics" or "strategies", the information can put you into "try hard" energy and you will actually get worse with women. You don't want to try to pump yourself up or summon courage, you want to go in completely on your default state like you are talking to grandma. You wouldn't be afraid of Grandma unless she is the kind who makes you cut your own switch.
/r/seduction17/02/25 03:29 PM
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There is nothing wrong with you because you had the balls to approach in the first place, you just need to learn the nuisances. You could have misread the room. Women will always non verbally signal you in some way as to whether they are open to talk to you or are closed off. You could have lifted your emotions during the approach and interaction, making the girls feel like deer in headlights, hence uncomfortable. This is the big one because you can be in complete control on the outside, but gir…
/r/seduction17/02/25 02:57 PM
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You want to minimize texting as much possible because texting in itself is the shit test that cannot be passed as every word is evaluated based on the girls current emotions because you can't convey context with tone of voice and body language like you would irl. There does exist the issue of needing to text to set up or confirm a date. You send one text, and if there is no reply send one follow up text once every three days up to two times total, but never double text or text back to back. Anyt…
/r/seduction17/02/25 02:48 PM
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Wrong. Women like men who lead themselves and control their own life so they feel safe following them. When you try to "lead" the woman and have to verbalize "boundaries" they get turned off because it shows desire for commitment hence they see you as not preselected. If a girl wants to have a girls night out or post promiscuous photos, I really don't give a shit because we are not married and I'm willing to walk away and upgrade as much if not more than she is.
/r/seduction17/02/25 02:35 PM
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Nice post. I normally would have stopped reading at paragraph two, but this is worth it. The way I consolidate those concepts and mindsets is I tell dudes all the time "remain a bit less interested in the girl than she is in you", the purpose being to learn outcome independence. It's unreal how indifference autocorrects social behaviors and mental health, and demonstrates preselection.
/r/seduction16/02/25 11:25 PM
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Not unless she asks you directly for specifics. Having options will show in your behavior, verbalizing it for for no good reason can be hurtful.
/r/seduction16/02/25 10:16 PM
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If in doubt, take the simple route. Do a social experiment. Open sets will girls how you normally would. After that, open some sets by starting an argument or saying something cold or brash. Pay attention to non verbal responses and compare. I guarantee more girls eyes will light up and even initiate physical touch with you by taking the later path.
/r/seduction16/02/25 06:48 PM
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Don't take it out of context. Be the cause of drama and never the effect. I used to chastise men for being addicted to drama and accused them of liking it. I was wrong. They didn't like drama anymore than I did. They leveraged it to keep their girl turned on. Girls will verbally respond as if they hate it, but their behaviors and communication patterns clearly prove otherwise. Ultimately women want to fix a problematic man but only for themselves, akin to romance novel plots. The specific proble…
/r/seduction16/02/25 06:42 PM
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It's completely possible. Women's emotions are opposite to our logic. Our logic tells us that they all want Chad. Women do have higher priorities than looks money and status when it comes to the bedroom. They prioritize outcome independent men. An outcome independent guy will often create chaos, turmoil, drama and f.o.m.o. Making a girl feel these things displays outcome independence, which in turn is the most powerful demonstrator of preselection. If Brad behaves in a way that creates more perc…
/r/seduction16/02/25 06:32 PM
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Women are our exact opposites, there is only one thing we have in common that would allow us to relate to them. Fortunately for us, that one thing is liking sex.
/r/seduction16/02/25 05:17 PM
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You don't need to ask that. She already has men whether or not she is committed. If she is interested and sees you as an upgrade, she will let it happen
/r/seduction16/02/25 10:56 AM
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It took me awhile to figure that out. The other option is to do champagne room role play
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:39 PM
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Nope. When I was in my lower 20s I had all the socials at the time and got nowhere with girls my own age. I have not used social media in 15 years, now the girls in their 20s don't even care if I don't have insta or snap etc...yet they will use lack of social media to justify disqualifying guys their own age. That led me to believe the age difference was the key, but I was wrong...it's the behavioral changes that came with the age and experience. Learn to read people in person, if the girl is ge…
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:33 PM
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The problem is faux ego, the internal mask most of us wear. To access quality women u need genuine elite level narcissism where you are the cause of everything both good and bad.
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:22 PM
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Removing a girls jeans is never a smooth motion and requires multiple tugs at different angles so play into the awkwardness, make removing them part of a frisky wrestling match.
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:17 PM
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Pursue her without chasing her. When you pursue, you are remaining social but keeping your interest below hers. You can't show zero interest...just keep it 2 points less than hers to create uncertainty. Once you become more interested in the girl than she is in you is when you create certainty and it becomes chasing.
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:12 PM
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There ain't no pretending. I actually can't respond fast even if I wanted to most of the time because I do something called physical work, I never ignored people as a tactic; my communication was naturally inconsistent. It still registers in the girls mind as having better options, the fact that I actually did when I was single was irrelevant. You just genuinely need better stuff to do than be on your phone. Btw, girls do have infinite options, but consider very few to be viable, those very few …
/r/seduction15/02/25 06:07 PM
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Pull back and prioritize who likes you over who you like. Once you really grasp female safety mechanics, the oneitis will likely fall off your shoulders. These other girls will date you and sleep with you because they are the unprioritized options so they can sense or confirm you are preselected by other women so they feel safe. The one girl you really like perceives you as less preselected than you actually are because she is the top option for you. Once you determine a girl is your best option…
/r/seduction15/02/25 01:45 PM
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It's actually not a "giga Chad" physique, women are attracted to what you are genetically supposed to be without having to "add" anything. Being too big and ripped can automatically be perceived as "try hard". Train for cut and pliability and not bulk. Basketball, swimming, and high rep low weight lifting, and physical labor will give you the default "mans" body because these are natural movements that exercise accessory muscles and tendons/ligaments. You want to be slim but firm and flexible an…
/r/seduction15/02/25 01:29 PM
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What do you think of skipping the pleasantries and see how much fun we can have while naked? If the girl is already interested, this will work. If she is neutral or uninterested, you will probably get maced. Read the vibe and respond accordingly.
/r/seduction15/02/25 01:15 AM
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Fortunately for you, the best text game is no text game at all. You want to minimize texting as much as possible, and play dumb a.f. when you do. Texting in itself is a shit test that cannot be passed because you can't convey tone and context, so the girl perceives your words however her emotions dictate; and when the cell phone is involved, her emotions feel like filtering her options. Texting is used more than anything to justify disqualifying you. It's not realistic to think we can get anywhe…
/r/seduction15/02/25 12:44 AM
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Your true self is whatever you decide you are. If you want to be the guy that gets the girls, become that. If you develop outcome independence, you come off as preselected automatically because the female ego assumes if you aren't exerting effort into pleasing her, you must have women elsewhere. Nobody was born with options, we all started somewhere. Fake it until you make it. It's called "game" for a reason. Eventually it will become genuine. Half the time Barney Stinson took a girl home, she a…
/r/seduction14/02/25 08:57 PM
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Do the "Costanza". Do and say the opposite of what you normally would, because women's emotions are opposite to your logic. Try to get rejected on purpose, you will be shocked how they respond. The less effort you exert into coming off "correct" the more they reciprocate. Tell a girl straight up that you are disloyal and a bad communicator but also thinks she would look good naked. My current girl likes to remind me of how I actually said that to her 5 minutes into knowing her.
/r/seduction14/02/25 08:46 PM
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In the west, women judge you solely based on how preselected by other women they think you are. Western women are actually on a more primal animalistic nature than the rest of the world. If you messaged them too quickly after first meeting or were too pleasant or trying to sell yourself while interacting, they will think you lack options so there must be something wrong with you even if there isn't. In your case, I think kissing before parting ways is what turned them off. In the west, you need …
/r/seduction14/02/25 08:38 PM
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You need to master outcome independence so that women you aren't even with can't hurt you. You shouldn't have to "gather courage" because that is shrouding yourself in "try hard" aura and pumping yourself up to set yourself up for a fall. If you make talking to attractive women with no regard for the outcome into your default state, rejection can't hurt you...as a bonus you will be rejected less. Talk to at least one attractive woman per day with zero attachment to the outcome of the interaction…
/r/seduction14/02/25 08:26 PM
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