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DISCUSSIONSzymmy/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 08:58 PM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 12:23 AM
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DISCUSSIONSzymmy/r/RedPillWomen05/09/18 11:44 AM
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Szymmy/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 12:45 PM
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DISCUSSIONSzymmy/r/RedPillWomen23/10/18 11:27 PM
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Question For MenSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:06 AM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:40 AM
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ADVICESzymmy/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 02:23 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 07:20 AM
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Question for MenSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:27 PM
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ADVICESzymmy/r/RedPillWomen16/12/18 12:35 AM
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Szymmy/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:27 AM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 10:49 AM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:16 AM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 01:38 AM
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DISCUSSIONSzymmy/r/RedPillWomen26/08/18 06:50 PM
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DISCUSSIONSzymmy/r/RedPillWomen14/02/19 11:52 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:51 PM
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ADVICESzymmy/r/RedPillWomen21/11/18 12:04 PM
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ADVICESzymmy/r/RedPillWomen02/03/19 11:19 AM
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Question For MenSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:40 PM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:26 AM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 11:47 AM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 12:24 AM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:33 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:44 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 11:33 AM
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Question for RedPillSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 07:14 PM
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Szymmy/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:18 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 01:20 AM
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LTR/MARRIAGESzymmy/r/RedPillWomen27/12/18 10:32 PM
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DiscussionSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:27 AM
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Question For Red PillSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:55 PM
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Szymmy/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 11:36 PM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:18 PM
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Question For MenSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 03:15 AM
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CMVSzymmy/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 01:11 PM
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Its a pity the sunsequent attempts at a better RPW haven't taken off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:04 AM
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Same lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:04 AM
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Age mate meaning someone of the same age as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:10 AM
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When did I say I was 35?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:35 AM
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I agree in principle but that seems like a bit of a reach. Men of any age choose partners based off sexual criteria, the older ones just vet better.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 09:27 PM
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Plenty of young women think long term. Its just that women are more sexually attracted to men their own age and whatever advantages an older man currently has an age matched man will have in the future.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 08:45 PM
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You know full well outliers dont disprove rules. Why bother with lazy responses?
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 08:28 PM
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Yes thats precisely the point. Most women at their peak (early twenties) are not looking for high value 40 yo men.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 08:26 PM
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I dont think thats the issue. If anything settling down with a good man who has prospects is what most women are told to do and what most of them do in fact do. The ideal of a LTR is long term companionship and support. As a result both men and women want to build a life together, the problem comes in not knowing which man will help build the best life and the wife that helped you build your life getting old and the young secretary looking so much more appealing.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 07:11 PM
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The example you gave is at best neutral and at worst a red flag. Some women don't want a man who was a loser in his twenties and learned to become atteactive for purely intuitive reasons if not for the fact such a man is likely to be the type of cynical RP man that is suboptimal for marriage. The point wasnt that being single at an old age is inherently bad, its that theres a myriad of reasons for men to be single at older ages and most of the time those reasons make him a suboptimal husband.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 06:57 PM
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The average 20 yo woman will find the average 20 yo man more attractive than the average 40 yo man. High market value means a high leverage within the market. That leverage is mostly to sway woman in their 30s and maybe late 20s.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 06:41 PM
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Why do you think women who seek relationships through sexual partnering are disappointed? Isnt seeking partners for non sexual criteria a recipe for betabuxx?
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 05:27 PM
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Although I still disagree I see your points. Thanks for the advice.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 04:53 PM
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Im not at all encouraging dating a younger man I agree with what you said about that. Mens SMV peaking in their late thirties means men have the most relative leverage in relationships in their late thirties, it does not mean they are at their most attractive. Most women dont find men in their late 30s the most attractive. Women near universally are attracted to men their own age. My point about SMV is: the fact a man has more leverage now than he did when he was younger does not make him more p…
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 03:54 PM
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You explained the historical reasons why age gaps were encouraged in the past and why that is no longer the case and then you claimed an age gap is ideal. I dont see the logic. The fact the average man cant comfortably support a SAHW and kids anymore and women are required to work is precisely why an age gap is no longer necessary. The older man is more mature Is he really? What has he learned in a decade of singlehood that he couldnt have known in his twenties, other than cynicism?
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 03:50 PM
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Perhaps Im naive but I think the extent to which a relationship undermines ones career prospects is over exaggerated. You can work towards your career and have a girlfriend. Id say men wanting to sow wild oats before settling down (which could be its own red flag) is more common than men actively choosing to be single to work on their career, especially since furthering your career doesnt really end until retirement.
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 03:42 PM
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I guess I meant older literally and on a case by case basis. Im 20 and for me anyone over 25 beckons questioning. Why isnt he already in a relationship? If hes pursuing me (a younger woman) now why would he go for an even younger women when hes 30, 40 +? etc
/r/RedPillWomen28/03/19 03:09 PM
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You keep missing my point because you cannot realise that what men/women want does not necessarily equal what is optimal for a relationship. The 60 yo answering “10 down” still found the 40 yo sexier than the 50 yo, and the 30 yo sexier than her etc etc. All the way down to 25. Yup that is my entire point once again. Men ideally want a partner that is compatible and is sexy, they date younger women even though they are less compatible because they value sex appeal more than compatibility "up to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:15 PM
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What men want is not what is optimal for a relationship. Women that are most compatible for a man may not be the women his wants thats my entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:08 PM
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I didn't say it never happens. Men in their 30s "generally" dont befriend younger men, and if they cared about compatibility they "generally" wouldn't date younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:26 PM
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I said that men are more compatible with women their own age but will trade compatibility for sex appeal. And you tried to prove me wrong by showing me data on men actively trading compatibility for sex appeal? The fact men will date a woman 10 years younger doesn't mean he's more compatible with her than a woman his own age, it means he finds her more attractive and cares about sex appeal more than compatibility. Men don't date younger women because of their compatibility they date them inspite…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:23 PM
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There's a lot of leeway between avid players and church going family men. All men are dogs sure but you're better off picking one that's house trained.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:18 PM
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Why don't you have male friends in their early 20s then if they aren't annoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:14 PM
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How many men in their 30s hang out with men in their early 20s? They don't, because they have no reason to. I'm in my early 20s and certainly feel out of place with people in their 30s, and if one of my friends brought over an 18 yo girlfriend I promise you the group would find her out of place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:11 PM
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Granted I should have worded that better. By "things in common" i meant more like, maturity levels in common, priorities in common, life goals, general attitudes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:10 PM
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All men value looks more than compatibility. The degree to which they do varies though. As a woman whose looks will fade it benefits you to choose a husband who places a higher importance on compatibility as opposed to a man who places lower importance on compatibility (even if both of them will technically always place more importance on looks than anything).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:46 PM
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This information is critical to working out what a woman’s optimal strategy is. I agree. You’re assuming that a man aged 35 dating 25 yo’s has the “personality type a 35yo woman dating 25yo men” would have. That’s not what they have. We’re configured differently. No that's not my assumption at all. I've made 2 assumptions: Men in their 30s are more compatible with women closer to their age. Well adjusted marriage-material men choose a life partner based off more than just sex appeal, in fact the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:44 PM
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Whenever older men claim women in their early 20s aren't annoying my response is to always ask them how many early 20s male friends they have. Even the shortest glance into regular society shows you that most people in their 30s have little to no interest in hanging around college kids because they have nothing in common. The average man in his 30s is gonna have much more in common with women in their late twenties. If you're a woman in your early twenties the 30 yo men you attract are "generall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:22 PM
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I don't think anyone has ever argued that men don't find early 20s women the most sexually attractive. To what extent this knowledge should impact our dating strategies is another matter entirely. One that conforms to what men want ? Perhaps, but I'm not a man so I don't know what men want and don't care to give men what they want. RPW should focus on what is an optimal strategy for women. I've given a good reason for why trying to find older men in your early twenties will attract a very partic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:14 PM
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The thing about the advice given to RP men and women is that it produces a very particular type of relationship. Men may find a early 20s woman most attractive for LTR but most of our decisions aren't (and shouldn't) be made purely on instinct. The fact is the average educated man in his early 30s find early 20s women annoying. Telling RPW to snag up a man while they're in their early 20s is dooming them to snagging the type of man that either hasn't matured, values beauty much more than compati…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:02 PM
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Alright. First off if you think fabricating a online presence and marketing a product (which in this case happens to be videos of you) is easy then your sorely mistaken. But even if I concede that being a camwhore is "easier" than a wagecuck, and even if I concede that you don't need to be attractive to be a "successful" camwhore you can just be average (which is untrue), then so what? Look at the ages of the girls on chaturbate and twitch. How many of them are over 30? How many of them are over…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 01:11 PM
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How? How do I put in no effort and still live comfortably? Most men in the west cannot provide for a stay at home wife. Most men in the west resent stay at home wives. The men in the west that can have stay at home wives want hot young attractive ones who are also in their socioeconomic circle. Being a hot woman does require effort although most of it is genetic and completely out of your hands, and climbing to their socioeconomic status certainly requires effort. In what world can the average w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:57 PM
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Yes. Being a high value man for decades is hard, being a high value woman for decades is literally impossible. No amount of work will stop the wall. Im lean and athletic already, I go to the best university in my country, I'm in line to be in the 90th percentile of earners in my country, I'm not grotesque and I'm not too cowardly to flirt. That's literally all it takes to be a high value man. If I woke up as a man tomorrow it would only help me in my daily pursuits (e.g. testosterone would make …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:12 PM
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It is not negligible. You inferred I did not imply.
/r/RedPillWomen09/03/19 12:56 PM
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I don't understand which of my words were pejorative. "amoral" is commonly used by TRP themselves. "manipulation" is just a factual term, one that OP uses in one of her comments also with no pious implications.
/r/RedPillWomen09/03/19 12:55 PM
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amoral not immoral. You'll find "TRP is amoral" written quite frequently in their subreddit.
/r/RedPillWomen09/03/19 12:36 AM
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I do think RPW can have an anger phase, but you're reading too much into my comment. I'm not using the word "manipulation" with any sense of moral high ground just as a factual descriptor. And I'm not saying "men don't respect women" in the indignant way feminists might but in the sense that TRP uses the term (i.e. men love women, women respect men). All in all my comment made no moral judgements, I was just trying to explain that mens' prerogative to love (but not necessarily respect women) all…
/r/RedPillWomen09/03/19 12:20 AM
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I imagine there's always room for improvement in terms of making your man happier but that's not what Whisper was referring to. Men practice things like dread in order to make themselves appear invaluable to a woman so she'll do everything she can to keep/please him. Women can do the exact same except we don't want to, in fact the female equivalent of a dreadfilled wife is just a regular beta who's constantly trying to buy you things and serve you and make you happy. TRP manipulates women becaus…
/r/RedPillWomen08/03/19 01:00 PM
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RPW is a lot simpler than TRP for the sole fact that TRP is about amoral manipulation. RPW is about finding a "good" man, learning to respect him and making marriage bearable for him. RPW doesn't lend itself to mind games or anything the average person would consider underhanded simply because that sort of manipulation goes directly against the idea of respecting your spouse. The true female counterpart to TRP would be us teaching women how to manipulate old vulnerable men out of all their resou…
/r/RedPillWomen08/03/19 12:19 PM
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Except such a scenario doesn't occur. Most marriages are partnerships and that is not a partnership, it's a one sided dependent relationship that men do not enter. Men who can dump their wife for a younger, prettier, sluttier model do precisely that, and women constantly anxious about their much more attractive partner leaving them are... well... "anxious" wrecks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:06 PM
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That's fair but I was mostly referring to general blackpill/RP comments on this subreddit along the lines of "Women have it better in the SMP".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:25 PM
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This seems like another platitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:21 PM
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Where did you get this 5 years from? If a 35 yo man begins dating a 20 yo woman and they have a child 5 years later that's effectively 19 years and 4 years of casual dating since the age of 16 respectively, thats a 15 year difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:21 PM
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And yet most RP men here refuse to admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:18 PM
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You really haven't responded to anything that I've said or disputed any of my basic presumptions or logic. This comment just reads like a list of platitudes, "Women are selectors... sperm is cheap" etc
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:18 PM
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Why would a woman be happy settling for a beta simp? Why would the woman taking care of an old man be happier than the old man being taken care of?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:15 PM
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Most men want to settle down and have kids eventually. It's not like that's a rarity. Yes, when they're older and with a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:13 PM
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All women are mentally at the same stage as a teenager Lmfao okay well if you can't accept like basic biological fact (i.e. the human brain doesn't stop developing until 25) then there isn't much to debate here. All "women" do find it creepy as do most girls. The fact that some young girls are too naive to is precisely the point. females that hit the wall The wall is apparently at 16 now
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 07:50 PM
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Literally all women do. There's nothing wrong with men wanting to fuck pubescent girls, what's creepy is the fact that they are leagues ahead of them in terms of maturity and could easily manipulate them. Is "adults are smarter than kids and can easily manipulate them" really that much of a controversial statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 05:08 PM
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Well idk if I can really add much to what I've already said but he's right that if a woman wants marriage she shouldn't give up all her leverage, which is precisely why marriage minded women don't merge assets, move in or play housewife to a man before he fully commits. once you're at a certain stage of your relationship, what can you return to him? Not much besides the continuation of what I already give, and the exact same can be said for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 12:48 PM
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Bell curves are symmetric. Cite sources saying otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 11:43 PM
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What? Women rarely fuck and leave because women are the ones that want commitment. Men fuck and leave because they generally dont want commitment until they reach around thirty and even then can still afford to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:18 PM
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Lmfao it's not women wanting to settle down at 30 its men. The fact the marriage age is usually late twenties/early thirties is because men only start wanting to settle down then and women generally want to settle down with someone their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:03 PM
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I think the entire premise of your timeline is off. I'm sure there are some people that just acquire these "commitments" as they please without any forethought but I can't speak for them I can only speak for myself. Living together, having kids, sharing expenses and finances etc are all things that come with marriage. When we marry I get all the benefits of having a husband (attention/validation on my wedding day, ideally a lightening of my financial responsibilities, social status etc) and he g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 08:39 PM
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Geniuses being overwhelmingly male is not insignificant because only 0.01% of the population are geniuses. Higher rate of male geniuses is insignificant to the mean IQ because its compensated by a similarly high rate of below average IQ men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 08:23 PM
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What libido controlling hormones does testosterone increase the production rate of?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 08:20 PM
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His issue is that he valuesloves maximising compatibility over maximising looks. And yes this is a reflection of class. Why did you bother getting married at all? Your wife will inevitably age and become unnattractive while yoi can still find younger girl. I get yougmail might want a family but youI can have kids without marrying (especially as proles). Do you think your desire for a family will be enough to stop you from cheating/upgrading your wife once shes oldera?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:15 AM
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Life being short and fleeting is precisely why its important to try and maximise ones happiness during the short amount of time we have including the latter half of our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 10:54 PM
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Aye your right but that fact is of little consolation. the difference is that your actions may stop your parents from loving you but your husband stopping loving you because youve grown old is out of ur hands and not due to any action. Its the feeling of powerlessness that makes this upsetting
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:56 PM
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If men cared about connection theyd choose potential partners based off personality traits and not beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 12:28 PM
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To literally every woman that isnt autistic or grievously masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:42 AM
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The first paragraph is too poorly worded to understand. The female imperative does apply toto childfree women. Myself included.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:32 AM
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Im not a man so I dont care about the fact men face the same problem. I care about ny problem. Youre right about that though. Women initiate more divorces and men cheat more. All that means is that once my husband falls out of love hes more likely to chase younger women in secret than openly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:29 AM
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What would you advise? Ive always been interested in your brand of "Redpill for Women" but youre not apart of RPW anymore and idk where/if you post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:26 AM
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Except all the adventures you can go on with yourthe aging wife you can also go on with a younger wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:24 AM
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As shown by the bachelor life style many men strive for, a lot of men are perfectly happy to go through life without any of the emotional appeasement that "treating them like kings" entails. What always struck me as odd is how men will go on and on about how they dont find womens accomplishments or maturity attractive but then turn around and chastise women for not bringing more than looks to the tablefact. Its almost as if all we hear men say they value is our looks. (Not saying your chastising…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:22 AM
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Im literally commenting on a post where a man outlines his growing resentment that his wife isnt a hot young girl. You think he didnt love his wife when he married her? You think most men wont grow resentful if theyI discover they can get hot young women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:18 AM
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Men dont need sexual variety or to sleep with young beautiful women either. Biological imperatives are drives not set goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:16 AM
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Of course logically I know younger men are just as likely to value me predominantly for my youth and looks. But with a younger man its easier to let yourself fall into the delusion that he loves you in some deeper spiritual bs way. With an older man its just blatantly obvious everytime youre reminded of the age gap that he has pursued you (as opposed to his peers) for your looks and beauty, it makes the bs fantasy harder to uphold.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:14 AM
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The person she's replying to just recently wrote in another thread about how he/men grow to resent their wives as they realise they should have waited and gotten younger/prettier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 03:07 PM
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I know that. It's in no way consoling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:36 PM
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Except it doesn't satisfy the female imperative. No amount of male hamstering will change the fact that the female imperative is to secure and lock down a man who devotes all his resources to you and your kids not someone else's bastards. Marrying rich men for money does nothing to satisfy a woman's sexual or emotional needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:27 PM
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It’s honestly like buying a car...the day you drive it off the lot you’re ecstatic, but in a few years you realize that if you would have just waited a few years you could have bought something way better. As a RP man, getting married early in life is a recipe for regret Women have a similar realisation. Except it comes in the way of realising that marrying for love is silly when your husband will grow to resent you and want to chase younger women and if you were just a little more pragmatic in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:53 PM
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The statistics I've seen show women filing for divorce 60-something% of the time, I'm yet to ever see any stats showing 3/4ths let alone 4/5ths. We can sit here and say hypergamy is a female trait until our faces turn blue but that doesn't change the fact all humans aim to optimise their happiness. Polygyny is a *male* trait. He may not want to "branch swing" to a better woman but what men would like is to have both the old wife and the new (and most likely end up favouring the newer one sexuall…
/r/RedPillWomen22/02/19 01:30 PM
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I can definitely relate. Reading about RP hasn't turned me off romance but it's certainly coloured my perception of men. The men of TRP like to say that women are taught from a young age not to trust men but honestly the extent to which this was true still came as a surprise to me. I used to date older men and now even the thought makes me cringe knowing that my youth is all they value and theyd dump me for someone younger as soon as I leave my early 20s. I have a bf rn who's very good to me but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 12:47 PM
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All I can say is I relate to you wholeheartedly. Although it wasn't my mother, it was my father I had a poor relationship with and the older I get the more obvious it becomes that his lack of approval of me has created a resentment towards men. Like you I've found myself dating older men (as well as younger). The fact is the younger ones aren't looking to settle down and you're always left with the fear that they'll simply treat you as a temporary girlfriend or even worse a starter wife before t…
/r/RedPillWomen08/02/19 11:43 AM
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No one thinks it's a good path to monogamy. Women don't date athlete's because they're prone to monogamy they date them because theyre attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:43 PM
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"Redpill's Insistence on Women Marrying Off Young Belies Lower Class Values" isnt quite as catchy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 12:35 AM
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Convenient that this apparent mental shift comes at the exact age the human brain finishes development. Its almost as if what youre really attracted to is naivety and someone easier to manipulate and youre simply hamstering to rationalise it. Funny huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 06:16 PM
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Oh well thats another thingfun entirely. no one is arguing young men whould shack up with women older than them. This wasmoney about older men dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:55 PM
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All arguments trying to make older women look like ugly harpies is really just male hamstering to try and justify male ephebophilia and polgyny as rational rather than purely instinctual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:42 PM
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And yet you aim to rob other women of the same. By dating younger women your robbing them of the ability to grow old with a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:37 PM
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Nah Im showing how such criticism against older women is actually a criticism against all women (since allI women age). Men who argue against dating older women should stop hamstering and just admit they dont see women as much more than a source of sex and should stick to casual interactions/STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:34 PM
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Another lazy analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:32 PM
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Forming a LTR is not the same as buying a car if only due to the fact you plan on selling a new car once its old. Which actually agrees with my OP if older womenmen (old cars) are so terrible theres no reason to ever settle dowm with one, just upgrade them once they get old I.e. serial monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:31 PM
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Lazy analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 01:05 PM
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The fact women get uglier sooner doesnt change what I said. If age makes women bitter then explain why it doesnt so that to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 01:04 PM
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All Ive done is ask questions and ask for clarifications and you are resulting to name calling to make yourself feel better. You still havent explained anything. Youve stated what you think, I.e. living with a woman lomg term grants her "individual value" but you havemt explained what that is or why it happens. You cant just statecame empty platitudes and get upset when I make it clear im ryingt to understand you in good faith and ask for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 01:02 PM
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You say "finding yourself" so dismissively as if a man of the same age hasnt done the exact same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:59 PM
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Point two seems tenuous simply because theonce same would apply to singles men over 30 and yet you never hear women complain about that. Especially since female attraction is based more on their partners personality youd thinjbe theyd notice older men being bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:36 PM
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Im trying to approach this in good faith but it seems your just saying "Im so great anything my dick touches turns to gold". Please clarify
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:34 PM
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If a guy has options why would he marry anyone knowing he canthinks upgrade her when shes old.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:33 PM
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This is obviously directed at the men who date younger women and argue that older women are ugly and bitter. So inherently the argument is directed at men who we already know can get young girls to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:31 PM
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Im a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:29 PM
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How are memories of your wife when she was pretty change the fact shes now less attractive and more bitchy than the younger girls u can date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:29 PM
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Male hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:27 PM
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In that case men should never form LTRs because once theit gfs/wives age they will be "less pretty and more of a cunt"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:17 PM
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Because women know about the wall, we. know that. the man we can get post LTR is not the same quality of man we could get before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:19 PM
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Lmfao and what part of that am I meant to "enjoy"? The only enjoyable parts of your comment were the ones involving a partner and all you need to do is go onto any RP or PPD post and look at why. marriage dissolves, womwn enjoy marriage no more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:11 PM
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Unless the video explains why women "enjoy" shit testing and cucking a BB, it has nothing to do with a discussion on "enjoying the decline".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:05 PM
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and what makes you think women are in any way happy with this arrnagement? What makes you think women are happy being married to BB they cuckold?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:49 AM
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It's rigged towards AF/BB. No one wants to be shacked up with a BB though so idk what makes you think women enjoy this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:36 AM
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just sit back and watch *unattractive* men dance for you and attractive men abandon you once you're post wall, that is if they commit at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:33 AM
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Exactly what does one of those girls get that a comparable man doesnt? A young attractive woman has a fleeting resource she cannot prevent losing, a young attractive man has the world at his finger tips.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:31 AM
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of society... it's a RP term, this question is obvs directed at those in TRP or those willing to assume RP principles for the sake of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:42 AM
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She can ride the CC when shes young, what does she do once she's old? She can get married but as established she will most likely be unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:37 AM
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You cannot get a divorce in the eyes of God (at least if you're a catholic).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 03:08 AM
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I know that, which is why I said the last thing I want to do is treat him like a project. I just feel as though lying about reading RPW or lying about anything for that matter isnt conducive to trust.
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/18 01:02 AM
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Thanks for the advice but thats not really addressing the post.
/r/RedPillWomen27/12/18 11:32 PM
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Hes noticed I spend time on reddit in the sense that hes texted me "What are you up to" at random points in the day and Ive resonded accordingly.
/r/RedPillWomen27/12/18 10:48 PM
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Thats a cop out. I just told u im infertile and will inevitably raise children that are not mine genetically. Im keeping an open mind and asking men to explain their perspectives, if your only answer is "this knowledge is so esoteric your simple female mind cannot fathom it" then youve given up all good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:58 PM
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But if infetile men can continue living happy lives why cant cucked men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:56 PM
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While I understand why some people want kids who share their genes I do not understand this gutteral disgusted reaction, this is coming from an infertile woman. Whilst my infertility isnt optimal it certainly isnt something id kill myself over, and Im sure the mass of infertile men & women and/or adoptive parents would agree. Why do you think this causes you such anguish and not all these other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 05:19 PM
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All signs point to him being bisexual so there's no reason for us to assume he doesn't find OP attractive and theres certainly no mention of him being the dominee rather than the dominator... I dont doubt it was crushing I just dont see it as anymore crushing than a regular affair... not that it matters... all that matters is how it makes OP feel as it is her marriage.
/r/RedPillWomen24/12/18 01:30 AM
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TBF I thought that as I typed my response. If I were happily married in all other regards (and esp if I had children) idk if id leave a man over an affair... that being said I still think its a much bigger red flag and cause for concern than a penchant for penis
/r/RedPillWomen23/12/18 09:56 PM
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While I understand why some women might see bisexuality as emasculating, I do not understand why cheating wouldnt be an automatic dealbreaker let alone why itd be more tolerable than his bisexuality.
/r/RedPillWomen23/12/18 08:22 PM
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Its present in her other posts, OP is known in the RPW subreddit too and a lot of us have assumed shes a man LARPing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 04:37 PM
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Id love to be a SAHM, im just not stupid enough to do that without getting married... pls stop constructing strawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 04:36 PM
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Sacrificng your career for a man who has no legal obligation to provide u with any financial aid is a stupid deal. edit: OP claims to be an unmarried SAHM to a RP man who has tried to give up custody of her children just in case she ever tries to divorce rape her man and take the kids...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 04:11 PM
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Honestly this entire post is just male hamstering trying to justify being shallow. Your points about fertility are accurate although the risks are still minor and also apply to men over a certain age. Your points about baggage and bitterness also apply to men. Your point about not knowing whether she truly loves you can really apply to any woman of any age, the fact is the number of women who enter their thirties single is directly proportional to the men entering their thirties single, if you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 09:51 PM
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Wait, problematic for your husband because you'll branch swing and leave him or problematic for your husband because he'll no longer have wife goggles and find himself a new young thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:15 PM
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Alright but I think it's fair to say the word "entitled" in these contexts is chosen especially for its tendency to provoke.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 11:11 PM
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Is the entitlement undeserved though? This is something I've always considered to be a contradiction in RP theory. Women managing to somehow be both innocent undeveloped children and conniving harpies who are "privileged" and "pedestalized". If women truly are underdeveloped children then aren't they rightfully entitled to be provided for? It seems most of what TRP calls female privilege or gynocentrism are really just the advantages afforded to the underdeveloped (eg children & the disabled), i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:41 PM
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The examples you gave for women's desires and men's desires are world's away. ​ >>must be 6'0 so I can wear heels, ​ Women are near universally attracted to tall men because height is an indicator of good health, low estrogen and strength/physical advantage in a fight ​ >>must make x amount of money for my shopping sprees ​ Women near unniversally look for men who can provide and protect them and their children, making more money makes you a better provider. ​ The examples you gave for men's des…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:10 PM
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In a 50/50 relationship nurturing is/should be split 50/50. If you're splitting things 50/50 but you're not happy when she doesn't go out of her way to make you dinner ask yourself how frequently you go out of your way to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:41 PM
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There are plenty of women who have basic human sympathy. There are plenty (in fact most) women who would prefer a man who makes more than them/works longer. If you work more than your partner it is only reasonable she makes more of an effort at home (ie your dinner suggestion). If men enter relationships without outlining this/expecting this they have literally only themselves to blame. Most women have the capacity to empathise and nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:51 PM
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This isn't really addressing my questions but I'll bite. Both partners work, he makes some what more than her and works longer hours, she takes more of an initiative in the home and will be the one to make career sacrifices for her family/children. He makes a conscious effort to still charm her in little ways and keep her admiring him, she makes a conscious effort to have sex even when not in the mood and tries to understand his humanly/personal limitations in this area. They are both monogamous…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:42 PM
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This is precisely why men complaining about women who don't ask themselves about what they bring to the table is a silly complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:37 PM
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I can't imagine the average woman truly expects a man to be fun and on top constantly 24/7 7 days a week 52 weeks a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:02 PM
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Can you elaborate on the types of things you demand from the "be nice" part of the deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:01 PM
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Are you open to forming a LTR/marriage with a woman? If so, what things would you expect a woman to provide to be worth forming a LTR/marriage with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:00 PM
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This seems to me like a bit of a MGTOW answer in which case I'll point out that my question was directed at men who can still see themselves forming LTR as opposed to men who have gone their own way (i.e. the question was directed at reformists not commie revolutionaries lol). But it might be that I'm just not understanding you fully. Surely the dating market is made up of people and their actions, surely getting rid of an "exploitative" dating market involves women (and men) changing their beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:55 PM
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What kind of show does the average woman really expect in a LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:50 PM
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Interesting. And do you see this as a kind of quid pro quo where you each dampen your own imperatives for the sake of the relationship or do you literally mean she must subvert her own imperative for you (e.g. facilitate you sleeping with other women etc)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:50 PM
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Why is it impossible for a woman to take genuine grievance with anything a man does? Are men perfect? ​ Like I get what your trying to say but i think you're being dangerously hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 11:42 PM
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How exactly has the educational system been reformed to suit women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 11:17 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree but I'm curious as to what you think about marriage being symbolically forever. Of course everyone has a threshold but isn't the whole point of marriage to be partnered for better or worse, to love your husband even when he loses his job or love your wife even as her looks start to fade?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 06:38 PM
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And? they still dont want to marry redpill men... this sub is for debate not ur revenge fantasy circle jerk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:31 PM
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There's the problem with ur thought experiment fam. Women don't want to marry redpill men they want to marry naturally redpill-behaving men without the added resentment of an actual rp man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 06:50 AM
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Cop out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 06:49 AM
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You're an older man trying to lecture a college girl about what college girls want. Sexual partner count as a peak and a decline as you increase SMV, i.e. slightly above average girls are the ones with high n counts, high value women are less prone to high n counts because get commitment from high value men. I'm sure some college girls are out sleeping with older men but it isn't the ones who are top tier wife material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 12:50 AM
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Or... they could be mature adults who take their commitments seriously a build a marriage strong enough to withstand the inevitabilities of aging. ​ How is this not just confirming that men are incapable of love? If you can't love your wife simply because she gets old (as all people will).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 12:47 AM
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These are all things that will come to men their own age as they age together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 11:42 AM
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Ask yourself why top tier women in the prime of their life would waste it on men they have no intention of marrying when whatever apparent advantages these 30/40 yo men have their husbands will simply grow into in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:24 AM
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Youve jumped to rape. Im talking.abiut pain and discomfort during regular sex that we endure because we care about a man or just want it to be over. I would say most women have been through this especially at less mature ages. The point is that porn shows men doing things that women would find painful or uncomfortable and they then expect wimen irl to endure this for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 09:34 PM
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What a LARP. As a college aged girl I can tell you withoit a doubt the attractive hirls are going after guys their own age and a bit older withmen high career potential and fatherly abilities. The only girls goijg after guys in their 30s and 40s are the mediocre ones who couldnt get high quality men their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 09:13 PM
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I really dont understand whats sostrategy difficult to understand here. Porn shows women going above and beyond to please men by doing things theyd otherwise find either painful or uncomfortable. Just look at how violent sex has been normalised and younger and younger menand are expecting women to go through pain in the name of rough sex. When asked what makes sex bad men usually say "when she just lays there" while women say "when it hurts". The fact that mens worst sexual experience is boredom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 08:50 PM
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Passive aggressive remarks about women's inability to prevent their own aging aren't necessary or conducive to "true discussions". ​ Although they are important pieces of evidence when pointing out men's "hypergamous" inclinations to upgrade their wives for the grievous sin of aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 08:37 PM
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I've seen multiple RPW/TRP contributors disagree with this. Not to mention real life analogies seem to go against this. Many (in fact most) men date women who aren't able to afford the same quality of life without them. But again we're talking about apples and oranges as I don't consider the above example as providership.
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 08:11 PM
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I wouldn't categorise that as providing, but fair enough.
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 06:26 PM
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Appreciation and gratitude for being taken out. Meaning that it's still a result of them paying for the date (althought obviously other things can make a woman appreciate her man). Besides, what makes men feel good is an important topic to discuss but not what I'm speaking about here. I was surprised by the original comment's suggestion that paying for a woman's food/drink makes her less attracted to you.
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 06:01 PM
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I totally agree, one can pay for dates without it being due to that masculine "provider" instinct I mentioned but it's safe to say if you don't play you probably don't have that instinct. I was mostly addressing the suggestion that paying for dates makes you less alpha and makes women less interested in you. I was curious as to why/how his paying might receive a negative unconscious reaction from me.
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 05:16 PM
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It doesn't directly increase his SMV but I've always seen it as an indicator of higher RMV. I want a man capable of providing for me and any future children, paying for my drinks implies a masculine/traditional "provider" instinct/attitude, I've always assumed if he approaches our dates with that kind of attitude then he is more likely to approach our long term life with that attitude. Same way I suppose I make nurturing gestures to the man I date because I want him to know I'd make a doting/nur…
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 04:17 PM
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It's AF/BB, baby. I assume he bought your sushi and paid for everything that night? I thought TRP goes on about "Women want to feel desired. Men want to feel needed". Isn't the man being a provider/paying the natural extension of this? Don't women want to have things bought for them? Don't men want to feel like their woman relies on them? Is men paying for my dates something I should be vetting against?
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/18 03:49 PM
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Most of what I was going to recommend was mentioned above (emphasis on the coconut oil it's a life changer). One little trick I would recommend in addition is to use an old t shirt too dry and wrap up your wet hair instead of a towel, most towels are too rough and heavy so they pull on your hair.
/r/RedPillWomen03/12/18 10:39 PM
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You're suggesting the key to keeping your man is to let him have fun with a side chick?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 02:12 PM
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What about being single or having a string of STR's prevents you from keeping your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 01:02 PM
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Men generally do sell their old cars when they acquire newer nicer vehicles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 01:01 PM
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> Maturity, superior character, worldly experience... ​ All of those are things single post wall women have too. So, why do men choose younger prettier women over single post wall women with all those characteristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 01:00 PM
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No I haven't. Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:47 PM
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Why do men always feel the need to include such snide age remarks in an otherwise good comment? What did that age remark accomplish? You know your current wife will someday be that age too? If anything it contributes to my point, men claim they'll love women but enjoy schadenfreude over them having the gall to age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:40 PM
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Imagine someone thinking the person who promised to cherish them through sickness and through health would in fact cherish them through sickness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:52 AM
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I'm inviting those that hold the belief that men's love is less conditional than women's to explain how the above linked statistic plays into this belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:38 AM
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What is chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 01:25 PM
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Thr issue isnt so much that people shocklingly cant have it all their own way. its that men can apparently have it all their own way but women cant. Men can have the career and loving family but women cant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 01:19 PM
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This only works if youre some sort of marxist believing in a labour theory of value. The value of a commodity is precedented on the demand for thatsecurity commodity. The fact women dont have to work to become youthful but men have to work to gain resources is irrelevant. What matters is that men value womens youth to the same exten women value mens resources. Women know their youth and beauty depreciates overtime. If it were up to thembecome theyd invest in qualities that dont depreciate. The p…
/r/RedPillWomen02/12/18 01:47 AM
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It lowers RMV because high RMV men ie UMC men dont generally date working class retail employees. Regardless of whatlove this sub claims the average UMC man wants to continue being UMC and wasting your money supporting a poor woman will severely lower your wuality ofor life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 12:59 AM
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I dont understand why a man would commend women on marrying for money. Dont you want to be genuinely loved?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 12:54 AM
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Post wall women dont get showered with attention but average middle class men can remarry someone younger than his wife
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 03:53 PM
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If you want to see how men love women ou just have to look at the likes of dan bilzerian and other men with options. Collect young hot girls to sleep with then upgrade them when they get too old. Male love is predicated on you beingfor young and hot. As soon as that goes away, and it does men will be looking for a younger model. Imagine if someone came into my life, adored me, fucked me, submitted to me andas then I upgraded her for the new model when I got bored. Would you say I loved that pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 03:51 PM
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I thought according to this sub women in their late twenties were used up roasties who are only getting serious because they've hit the wall. Why would you date someone like that?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/18 12:19 PM
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If you're mature enough to handle rubbing your genitals together with someone for a few minutes you're mature enough for a lifetime commitment?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/18 12:03 PM
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So men can separate sex and love but cannot fathom the idea that his wife no giving him sex doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't love him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:23 PM
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Id find this easier to believe if RP men didnt go on atvlength about how men conmunicate love via sex and how brutal dead bedrooms are to them as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 09:27 AM
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Understanding that men have free will and cant automatically blame their wives for all their problems makes men cheat? I wouldnt marry a man that couldnt take responsibility to begin with but okay
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 09:23 AM
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That's fair. Thanks for the run down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:58 PM
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How are those not contradictory? A man's love manifests in his satisfying his family's needs over his own and yet when he choses to satisfy his own needs (lust/novelty) over his family's (wife's need for fidelity) he still loves them(her)? Sure it's technically possible in the same way a generally altruistic person can have moments of selfishness, but the fact of the matter is that we are what we do, the altruistic person is altruistic because he does altruistic things generally, a slip up doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:49 PM
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I mean that video isn't really helping you at all... you say that men see women through a filter that makes them look great and that womena re too harsh on themselves but your video is of a man loving an already beautiful woman. If you wanna back up your argument at least show a video of an ugly/average woman looking angelic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:24 PM
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See this is my point. I've seen plenty of people state that there is a difference but no one's really explained what the difference is. It's like people saying men and women are different, but never explaining chromosomes, hormones, genitals etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:17 PM
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That's about as useful as telling men to try and remove their feelings on the importance of n-count or raising another man's bastard. If we can recognise hypergamy as a personal vice why not polygyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:12 PM
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Ah yes because all men are innocent children and their vices can only be the fault of the evil shrews they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:11 PM
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How can you say male love is sacrificial, when you then go on to say that a man doesn't need to sacrifice his desire for sexual novelty to love his partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:09 PM
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I understand and agree this is a lapse in judgement women (myself included) are guilty of. It doesn't however answer the question, if men's love is not based off their ability to self sacrifice then what is it based off?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:07 PM
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Except promiscuity decreases a person's ability to pair bond. I can't imagine promiscuous men are less likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:22 PM
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I am yet to see any real life statistics suggesting the 80/20 rule is real and a good bit of anecdotal evidence suggesting it isn't. As such its hard for me to agree when we disagree on a basic presumption. But if we take it to be true, what are you suggesting high value women do? Accept being.upgraded? Marry down and grow to resent their man for not being high value?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:55 PM
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Define (male) love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:48 PM
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Ive seen Briffault's Law mentioned here before auite a few times. Im open to the idea but simply put I am yet to see any statistical data backing it up, all anecdotal. Whish is fine except I have my own anecdotal evidence (ie the world around me) that suggests all people enter relationships that are beneficial, all people are looking to gain something from other people, so I dont see why in the realm of relationships men suddenly change and remain in unprofittable relationships when everywhere e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:31 AM
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Love is measured in the degree to which we put our loved one's needs above our own. Men are naturally polgynous just like humans are naturally selfish but if your partner doesnt supress both those instincts out of love for you then they probably dont love you very much, certainly dont respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:17 AM
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All of that seems pretty solid logic/advice, although I might point out a slight inconsistency. If men who still love their wives after their SMV plummets are so plentiful then why did they care in the first place. Surely the logic is that these men care more about her personality and motherly/wifely demeanour than her appearance so they keep her around, but if that were the case why would women need to capitalise on their youth? Idk if you can really have it both ways, either men all value yout…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:43 AM
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Then it begs the question what's the point? Outside of stripping men of their resources what can a cheating man provide that a vibrator and a pet can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:39 AM
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My towns rather working class but my college has a reputation for catering to the upper. As a result I have met some masculine men but they're almost all working class (which isn't an issue inherently but few of them have good career prospects).
/r/RedPillWomen25/11/18 03:38 PM
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The outskirts of the Capital of a socially liberal western european country. I suppose I look in my daily life, so college. More specifically the STEM departments of my college.
/r/RedPillWomen25/11/18 11:01 AM
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I have this exact same problem. Idk whether it's my personality that attracts such men or simply my being in a STEM field. I would also appreciate any advice in this regard.
/r/RedPillWomen24/11/18 02:25 PM
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Implying most men in their 40s dont look like crap. Many men with options marry women their own age because they marry when theyre both young and attractive. Let me ask you, if men only really value women for their youth, something shallow and inevitably waning what incentive is there for a woman to marry at all, in a world where she has sex on tap and can provide for herself just as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:16 PM
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Actually having scolled through your history I see youre an inc trying toto roleplay a feme gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:38 AM
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I didnt say I wasnt a beneficial strategy. Simply stated facts which you failed to retort. Others married men who would become providerd. At that age chances are he has his fair share of love war wounds and baggage and just wants a permanant hot piece of ass to keep around. You might be happy with that but some of us want providers who align with different concepts of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:36 AM
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I do sympathise with it. In fact, the whole idea of a man wanting his gf to see him as the most irresistable man on the planet is something I've tried to apply in the way i approach my bf and his advances. But my sympathy to this one extreme doesn't change the fact that the logic needs a line to be drawn and idk where that line is, hence Im asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 10:52 PM
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Why comment in the first place if you're not gonna engage in actual discussion and answer my questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 10:04 PM
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Doesn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:48 PM
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Why is it braindead for women to worry about the very real possibility that even a man you devote your prime years to will upgrade you for a younger model when he has the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:34 PM
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So you're just gonna straight up ignore the other example given in which she married the guy before having his kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:32 PM
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What do you think makes a woman's feminine demeanour plummet over time? Why do you think feminine behaviour is always something women are born with as opposed to something they can culminate as they learn how to care for a man? What makes you think that the cultural and political climate younger women are born into would make them more feminine as opposed to more masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:26 PM
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Are you telling me you've always given your partners your best? You've never made a mistake with one partner in your youth that you refrain from repeating? Never said "I Love You" too early on? Never spent money on a woman who simply treated you like an orbiter? Are we really arguing against learning from our mistakes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:24 PM
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Then why don't they formulate their dating strategy to be in search of feminine women and then choose the most attractive out of them, instead they search for the most attractive/youngest woman and choose a feminine one out of the ones theyve found.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:11 PM
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RP Men over 25 incessantly complaining about BB clearly do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 09:09 PM
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Even if it is a good decision it doesn't change what I said. She is missing out on opportunities and experiences he got to experience and is being appraised on her looks more than her other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:52 PM
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In the OP I was obviously talking about women over 18. That being said there's no denying the most popular genre of porn is "teen".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:50 PM
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Getting internships and experience is a great idea and something I've been slacking in tbph. You've given me a lot to think about and mention to my professors. Thank you.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/18 06:19 PM
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I'm wary of sharing too much info on the internet but suffice it to say it's the highest ranked university in my country (and up until this year was in the top 100 internationally), nothing special in america I'd imagine but here it's respectable. I do know chemistry can land me jobs but from what I've seen there wasn't much of a career progression as they were mostly lab technician jobs. I'm going to my college's career fair tomorrow so hopefully I'll get more insight into what can be done with…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/18 05:17 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 05:14 PM
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No but it doeswas give me a much better insight than you inti what sort of men I want to sleep with and what sort of men im willing to sleep with. If we lived in a world where women would be able to get a mans resources without sleeping with him then rich guys would havebe no sexual advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 10:53 AM
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Didnt say they necessarily detest sleeping with him. Women value a man's resources, but it doesn't make them aroused. Some women place arousal above resources, some place resources above arousal, ideally theyd all want both. Women sleeping with/dating men who have money still in no way suggests they find money arousing. You seem to refuse to believe that a lot of women chose their partner based on things other than primal attraction, you even try to correct a woman (me) when she says it to you e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 01:00 AM
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It always surprises me that people with such little shame as to blatantly ignore everything said to them and try and play off rewordings of their original point as new arguments will actually go onto the internet and search for things to "argue" about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 12:30 AM
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Proles marry because they lack the class consciousness to know the family unit works to legitimize and perpetuate capitalist oppression.... or so a prole would claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 11:09 PM
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She can have sex with him without wanting to have sex with him. No one is arguing women don't sleep with rich guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 11:07 PM
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You argued against your point there. The women in your scenario cheat on rich Danny with broke Ryan precisely because Danny's money does nothing for them sexually. No one said women don't choose partners based on money or status, simply that money doesn't make a woman aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:55 PM
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I thought incel posting was banned
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:37 PM
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Will your partners makeup skills and boob size actually increase your objective quality of life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:36 PM
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I'm 20 ftr.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 07:28 PM
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You shouldnt. But id imagine most men/people r not this ascetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:13 PM
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This is off topic now but im curious. What age does my writing suggest I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:10 PM
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Thank you so much for the offer :D
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/18 03:33 PM
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Im glad you mentioned that because homesteading is something ive been genuinely researching and considering in the future, but again idk how realistic it is for me, let alone whether id find a man with similar ideals. I have no moral obligations to divorced dads but Id worry about the divorce possibly being a result of his vices/short comings (but I guess thats mostly solved through vetting) as well as the fact a divorce man is already settled down (I guess ive always wanted to build a.life toge…
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/18 02:23 PM
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Thank you for all the advice, I have always been open about it and it hasnt been too difficult to bring up casually. Finances arent really an issue since I'm european and my undergrad is basically free. My main worry is that idk if I really want to stay here in Ireland, for my PhD or my career. I worry any relationships made in undergrad or grad may be ended by my emigration.
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/18 02:18 PM
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I'm studying chemistry. Realistically without a PhD Id be confined to lower wage drudgery work e.g. lab technician, setting up and cleaning up lab equipment.
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/18 02:15 PM
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In saying most men have little to gain from a wife earning as much as he does youbsuggested the average mans salary spread between at least two people was enough money to reach peaks happiness returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 11:37 AM
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For men your age Lmfao what made you assume I amn't 16-25?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:57 AM
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Marriage or even just cohabitation do not make sense to me. Theres the issue. The question was addressed to men willing to have marriages/LTR with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:56 AM
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Be constructive. Give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:54 AM
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Why do you recommend not listening to RPW?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:53 AM
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If you're married and have a joint account there is no way for her to distinguish from "her" money and "yours" technically or legally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:47 AM
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All those points are valid, and although I agree with your point about diminishing returns idk if i buy the same figure you do. This might just be my own posturing and imaginings though. All that being said having googled the exact figures quotes I've seen a wide variety, most citing 75k from the same study, other adding that the same study found 105k to be optimal for "life evaluation" as opposed to some other measure of happiness, and another still citing 160k as optimal. Many people wouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:44 AM
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Is she gonna pay my bills y-yes... that's how marriage works. Shared income shared expenses. If one of you can afford to pay all the bills the other salary will be purely disposable income and savings, early retirement, trips abroad etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:14 AM
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Do you earnestly believe men don't value the increased quality of life money buys for them and do it purely for status and RMV increase?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:33 AM
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I feel bad making such a short answer to your long comment, but it's nearly 2 am lol. So apologies, but what stuck out to me instantly is your complaint that a gf makes a man's money "go up in flames"... isn't this an argument for what I'm saying in OP? She wouldn't be burning through so much of your money if she had money of her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:35 AM
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... so might the teacher
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:31 AM
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But successful men still value money, it's why they spent so much time effort and sacrifice trying to get it, and now they're throwing it away, thats what seems irrational, is sex worth sacrificing half of what youve spent much of your life pursuing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:30 AM
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Okay I won't disregard your points as necessarily wrong or not worth talking about but they don't really concern the topic. Regardless of why women now earn money or why men still marry the fact is men do still marry/form LTR's and women can/do form careers, the question is why do men apparently not care about how much money their future wife makes? Why does RPW recommend not tending to your career?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:22 AM
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Yes I've heard a few people say this in the thread the problem is that the wall isn't a light switch, its a tendency with age, women become less attractive as they age. I wasn't talking about who they necessarily got in their prime, I'm talkign about who they settled down with, be that their college sweet heart who they got in their prime or the shlub they married in their 30s, it doesn't matter, 5-10 years afterwards they will be less attractive than they were when they first got together with …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:27 PM
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Consider engaging the topic in good faith and actually explaining how I fudged the logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:29 PM
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TRP says that. The story off the poor husband being divorce raped by a branch swinging wife is at the core of TRP. I didnt say the man is subpar, u did. u said post wall women dont branch swing to a man better than the husband she got pre wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:27 PM
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that doesnt explain why the lover she can get post walla is better than the husband she got pre wall
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:25 PM
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then why would they branch swing to a subpar mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 12:41 PM
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then why would they branch swing to a subpar mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 12:41 PM
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Empty words. Explain how post wall married women attract better men than they did in their youth
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 11:38 AM
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"Women like men whobhave threesomes" ...well hate to burst ur bubble but the fact this woman (and most women) consider(s) her partner having a threesome to be a worrying thing disproves your point not liking virgins =/= wanting your man to fuck other women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 01:05 PM
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Having affairs, trying to manipulate your spouse into doing something theyI've find repulsive and calling her a cunt dont sound like being a doormat and from everything shes posted I cant see what sort of horrors she may have put him through.... why is it that no matter a man does its justified because it mustis have been due to his wifes nonapparent evils?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:22 PM
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The sympathy expressed to men who prepare for divorce and the caution given to women who prepare for male infidelity in your series of comments can be interpreted (whether rightly or wrongly) as encouraging women to establish relationships that are more beneficial for their men than for themselves.
/r/RedPillWomen12/11/18 06:50 PM
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These are all fair points although I suppose my comment was partially directed at a phenomenon I've witnessed within TRP where men who insist on LTR/Marriage for whatever reason are advised to establish these with young women.
/r/RedPillWomen12/11/18 06:44 PM
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I'm starting to see why people call RPW "Plate Academy"
/r/RedPillWomen12/11/18 06:37 PM
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I find it surprising that for men who spend much of their online presence trying to inform others on the disastrous effects divorce can have on a man, RP men seem to encourage men to marry young women (when the stats seem to show marrying young and marrying with a large age gap both increase your chance of divorce).
/r/RedPillWomen12/11/18 04:38 PM
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Source? From what I've read this only applies to small income gaps and the effect reverses when the gap gets too big.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 12:49 PM
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Personally I think prenups are a great idea. IDK much about the legal standing of prenups and exactly what can be legally preplanned but I think the idea of sitting down with your partner and talking about how you would handle a hypothetical divorce is a good idea just as sitting down and talking about your expected duties as a wife/husband is important. Would I get married to a man after forging a prenup I agree with? sure. Would I marry a man and sacrifice my career and future earnings to rais…
/r/RedPillWomen09/11/18 11:01 PM
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If you really do want a relationship then you have no need to directly approach women. Meet women, becoming acquaintances, judge if they seem like gf material, then proceed to pursue. If you want to spin plates then do that but in that case you need to go back to TRP and learn to improve your game even if you think it's annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:38 PM
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I can sympathise with this being annoying to you. The reality is most women want to be pursued as a potential gf not as a potential ons. Those that do want the latter will go to clubs for that. Which is why clubs are a place where approaching women directly is perfectly acceptable. ​ I think you made it clear in your response when you said the end result was sex. Women know that men directly approaching them do so for sex (and not relationships) which is precisely why they dislike direct approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:25 PM
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What you're supposed to do (from the female perspective) is not pretend to be friends but be genuine friends. TRP will of course claim that men value women for their looks first and foremost; whether women know this or not they'd still rather not "feel" as though they are being valued for their looks above all else. A man who doesn't know you approaching you or pretending to be friends with you to get sex is doing it only because he finds you physically attractive. Whereas if a man who is alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:33 PM
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Kek okay if you don't know how to respond just say so don't embarrass yourself, ciao.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 05:04 PM
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This entire comment says very little and has little for me to respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:42 PM
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So you're just gonna repeat yourself and ignore my arguments for why it isn't stereotypical or transphobic? Absolute kek
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:39 PM
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How is defining womanhood based off a physical, psychological and social commonality any more stereotyping than defining womanhood based off a purely physical commonality e.g. chromosomes? Again with this straw man. It may be transphobic within the conventional/liberal narrative but who cares? No one here is advocating for the conventional/liberal narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:01 PM
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Given that man and woman are archetypal categories composed of many physical, psychological and social characteristics, you distinguish between a man or a woman by which archetype they approach closer, i.e. which category conveys the most accurate information about them with the greatest efficiency in the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:39 PM
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For the distinction, look at my earlier comments. " If you believe transwomen are women, then you don’t have a consistent definition of a woman." "If you believe trans women and natal women are both women, then you can't distinguish them both from men." "If you believe certain select people with a Y chromosome can be grouped with certain select people with an X chromosome because they share [input commonality here], then you don't have a way to distinguish both/either of them from people who don…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 02:48 PM
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Again, just because the conventional(liberal) narrative around transexuality says there can't be any physical requirements to considering a person a trans woman instead of a man, doesn't mean that one can't agree with a differing narrative around trans people.... It seems this entire argument is just going to be you setting up straw men based on opinions I have never espoused (but others may have).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:53 AM
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The other reply to this comment is correct. Estrogen makes you more at risk of blood clots and generally works the opposite to a blood thinner making anesthesiology for a transwoman very similar to a biological woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:54 PM
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Emm no, admitting distinction between genders isn't transphobic. Disagreeing with the conventional (liberal) concepts around transexuality doesn't negate any and all concepts of transexuality. In fact in my first reply I distinguished between the two genders and still managed to fit in a definition for transgender people. Edit: Believing that simply wearing a dress and makeup doesn't make a man into a woman doesn't mean there can't be any examples or criteria under which trans women should be co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:49 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:27 PM
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I never said there isn't a distinction between genders. It doesn't seem like you got what I was trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:26 PM
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Do tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:25 PM
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Sexual attraction sure, but a life partner should ideally be more than some you're sexually attracted to. If that's the main thing then why become partners why not just be FWB?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 09:51 AM
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Well "wrong" is a strong word to use and implies things I don't mean but I think it's safe to say valuing your partner for their looks above their other qualities is unwanted by the partner and usually considered a sign of lack of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 09:28 AM
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Male & Female are categories denoting a plethora of characteristics for which there is a correlation but not always a direct causation. The point of all words is to convey information and the point of all categories is to sacrifice accuracy for efficiency (e.g. we say that "women can give birth" because this is usually accurate and trying to be 100% accurate would require treating each human's birth giving abilities as idiosyncratic and would be inefficient). The reality is of course that trans …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 09:01 AM
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Constructive dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:47 AM
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That is the way TRP men have framed it. Emphasising the need to marry an 18 yo because she isn't as demanding yet and they can mold her standards to their liking (read i can't match women's standards so i'm going to deliberately look for naive women who won't know any better).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:44 AM
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Your last sentence discredits everything else you've said. In effect you're saying that higher quality men are less likely to be "responsible" than lower quality men. This clearly suggests that men are only "responsible" because they lack options and not due to any real "love or value their LTR".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:42 AM
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Obviously one outlier doesn't negate the general rule. But I'd be interested in knowing what you think keeps him faithful if not lack of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 01:29 AM
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We could just as easily whip out statistics about how men are much more likely to cheat, and even though only 3 women are killed by spouses a day a lot more are abused. How many men do you see in the media upgrading their wives for a newer model (clearly suggesting their "love" is really only lust)? I've seen plenty of regular men in my life do the same thing. Men don't love women any more than women love men, their desperation isn't a sign of love it's a sign of lack of options and settling dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:17 AM
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By that logic all slim women would be married to rich men lol. Most men earning as much as our husband are at the top of the SM/RM and can choose from gorgeous women. The average slim woman is stuck with the average man who can't provide for her and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 12:48 AM
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There are outliers. The point is from the perspective of a woman who isn't married yet who doesn't know whether her husband will be like this or not, these are all reasonable fears to hold and easily lead to a sense of aimlessness and lack of direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 01:34 AM
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Plenty of average guys have had casual sex. Plenty of fat guys have had casual sex. The largest factor in men remaining incels is social awkwardness/ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 01:32 AM
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Men want a peer but also need to be needed? But I'm twisting myself into a pretzel by saying I want a man to submit to who also sees me as a peer? I appreciate the fact you've put effort into discussing this with me but I don't appreciate the combative way you've approached what was a search for advice not a debate.
/r/RedPillWomen25/10/18 12:02 AM
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Obviously I didn't mean other teenagers aged 19. A 12 yo is a teenager but their life is a lot different than a college students. The post wasn't really about men treating me like a child, more so that I see men pursuing women young enough that if the sexual tension was removed they would treat them as they would a child. The average 35 yo man wouldn't befriend a 20 yo man because they're in different stages of life, and yet plenty of 35 yo men would jump at the chance of dating a 20 yo woman, w…
/r/RedPillWomen24/10/18 01:20 PM
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I think you've read a lot into this and decided to reply in a vitriolic tone. ​ Perhaps my writing on submission was poorly worded. The reality is I do not need him as an authority figure. You and other men can lament this but I am in fact an adult and don't *need* him per se. That doesn't mean I don't *want* him as an authority, it doesn't mean I don't *want* to appreciate him for all he does. In a past relationship my partner treated me like an idiot, he'd condescend often to me, anytime I men…
/r/RedPillWomen24/10/18 09:36 AM
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My body is similar in that I'm tall, broad shouldered and skinny (not much curvature). I think the key is keeping good/realistic icons. If you and I picture a petite curvaceous kim k as the feminine ideal then we're setting ourselves up to fail, but if we think of statuesque models as a feminine goal we can feel more proficient in emulating them. I know I'll never be as petite as most girls but I'm happy having great legs, long silky hair, good skin, and being more of a modelesque matriarchal ar…
/r/RedPillWomen24/10/18 12:32 AM
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Any citations? I looked for ones on oxytocin, I found studies showing no difference in oxytocin blood concentration between men and women but none on the "process[ing]" differences. As far as brain structure is concerned... The initial disagreement was on gonadal hormonal effects on behavior, I'm yet to see any reason to believe these brain structure differences aren't a result of gonadal hormone levels, during brain development so not to be pedantic but that would still be an difference in beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 02:49 PM
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I come from Ireland. I don't think wealth in a man is necessarily more valued here, or at least I have no reason to believe it is. We're comparing anecdotes. I look around and i see plenty of men who are shorter than average who still have wives, gfs and children. I'll admit they are at a disadvantage and maybe they don't get to date the head cheerleader (or whatever high value female stereotype) as often but the bulk of them certainly find women. This is coming from observing men around me, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 04:22 PM
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That's not how life works. The market changes and grows, if you're working its assumed your skills and abilities are growing along with the markets requirements, if you're out of employ you're going to have to pick up on those new skills and abilities... (e.g. computer use is now apart of any reputable bachelors degree, someone with a bachelors from 30 years ago wouldn't be in the same position). Not to mention having to work entry level jobs at 40-50. All that working under the assumption that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 04:13 PM
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"Wah women won't initiate a hello with me therefore I'm the one that has it so much worse". That really is a terrible example and belies a lot about your mindset. The average woman does live life on tutorial mode, in the sense that averageness is nearly handed to them. I already said that. My point is that with averageness handed to you you have to accept averageness men do not, men can strive for more (and most ways in which they strive for more are readily accessible to the average western man…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:17 AM
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Most men do not have a deformity like a "severely receded chin". I agree those in the extremes will struggle but the average man still has plenty of potential. I'm not convinced by the constant complaints around height. Maybe things are massively different in america but the biggest player in my high school year was like 5'8-9. Shorter men are at a disadvantage but it really isn't the sort of debilitating hindrance most men on here make it out to be. Building muscle isn't difficult. It may be ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:09 AM
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there arent a lot of 7/10s ... seven tenths of the populace is a 7/10
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 09:32 AM
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I completely agree with the assertion that a higher ceiling beckons a lower floor.... I can't speak for all women but I'd prefer a higher ceiling and a lower floor
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:37 PM
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Fair enough. I used to too but i suppose after seeing the vast majority of ppd/rp posts concentrate solely on SMV I've begun using it as a catchall term.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:28 PM
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The essence of what I'm saying is that if a man falls short of satisfying his imperatives there are many things (most of which are accessible to the average man) that he can do to increase his SMV and satisfy his imperative. If a woman falls short of satisfying her imperative (and she already does the bare minimum of being lean and pleasant) there isn't much she can do and she just has to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:22 PM
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What are you talking about. Yes of course I'm talking about getting married and having kids. Having higher SMV makes a woman more inclined to form a relationship with you which can then lead to those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:03 PM
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Jesus why is it the STEM part that everyone nitpicks. It was an obviously flippant example of a solid point. Address the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:01 PM
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Female. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:11 AM
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"being pleasant" was intended to include "not being a cunt". If my view of men is misandrist then a lot of men and the whole or RP is misandrist. I'm repeating what men themselves claim, e.g. "men show love through sex", "sexual availability is the primary factor leaddng men to commit to a single woman." ​
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:09 AM
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Female. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:55 PM
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Alrightie this is going to be the last comment i make in response to this. Yes there will always be losers, I'm not saying there wont be.... im saying what distinguishes the average man from a top 80th percentile man is body build, ability to hold frame, and financial status. The average man is capable of achieving all of those things, that doesn't mean the vast majority of average men WILL achieve those things, you are right the vast majority of men will continue to be losers, be it due to lazi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:50 PM
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Jesus who is involving millions? Who said that millions of men should or will do those things?? I fully know that if ALL average men worked out, held frame and were UMC then the standards would completely shift, but men are not all going to do this in hoards. I'm speaking individually. I'm saying any man who is unhappy about not being in the top 20% only has himself to blame for being lazy and inept. Of course most of these men are still not going to change their lives precisely because they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:36 PM
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One man climbing the ladder is not going to shift the goal post so drastically as to be unattainable. In a gaussian distribution of billions of people, moving one person two standard deviations right of the mean won't shift the mean in any noticeable way. You clearly don't understand stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:10 PM
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I didn't change my mind, i simply accepted the premise for the sake of argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:52 PM
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She may get sex easier but from men she isn't attracted to, who aren't really attracted to her either but can't do any better. Marrying a man you're not attracted to so you can cheat with other men you're not attracted to makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:20 PM
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And how did I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:19 PM
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At least try and address stuff in good faith. Even if financial success doesn't increase SMV my point about workign otu and holding frame still holds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:06 PM
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"troll" yes if his luck in the genetic lottery was so bad then yes he has no chance at being an AF. Most men do not fall under that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:03 PM
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Monogamy is the female imperative. If a woman can't accomplish her imperative she isn't high value. The mark of a high value woman is being able to get commitment from a high value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:55 PM
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If every single high value man (ie top 20%) formed a monogamous relationship that that would mean only the top 20% of women would marry high value men. High value men have the ability to be promiscuous so the reality is that less than 20% of women end up marrying high value men (becaue less than 20% of men are high value and married). And it isn't allt hat hard. Build muscle, learn to hold frame, get your finances in order.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:41 PM
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I won't argue against the basic premise that women will only like 2 in every 10 men. Even if that were true it wouldn't change the fact that 1 man has it in his ability to enter the top 20%. Just because all men doing so would screw the system doesn't change the fact the average man has it in his power to join that 20%, most don't due to laziness or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:39 PM
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Replace easy with "more readily achievable to the average person".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:36 PM
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Make up simply levels the playing field as the vast majority of women wear it you need to wear it yourself to match up. Not to mention men eventually see what women look like without it. Men can get plastic surgery, not to mention PS is often a turn off to a lot of men. Revealing clothes don't make you more attractive they simply reveal the attractive body underneath and make you more eye catching. Women wear clothes that show cleavage, men wear clothes that show muscle, you still have to have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:36 PM
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A man's financial success makes him appear higher up in the social hierarchy and therefore increases his SMV. He can very well use this to be AF and spin plates, even get sugar babies once hes in his 50s 60s etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:33 PM
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Alright let me rephrase. What measures do you as a wife take to discourage your husband's decreased lust for you leading to him having an affair?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:07 PM
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How do you reconcile this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:22 PM
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fam... this is a dead thread... you're a very angry man screaming into an empty room.... pls at least make the screams coherent and to the point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 12:15 PM
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wtf is this tangent to a dead thread....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 12:13 PM
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Precisely my point. You and I disagree on something fundamental. Just a second ago you were saying we don't disagree on that. Men being attracted by looks first is a RP tenet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:51 PM
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You're clearly rattled up and not addressing this in good faith. The whole point of PPD is to play devil's advocate and encourage debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:50 PM
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Please don't bother commenting if you're not gonna address this in good faith. The whole point of the post was that this strategy is the most logical IF you accept that men reduce women to sexual objects and the idea of a man loving you unconditionally is blue pilled. "If A is true then B makes logical sense." "Doesn't this suggest A is true" "How ironic of you to think A is true when you think B is true!" That doesn't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 10:47 PM
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Saying there is "plenty" of guys who are attracted to personality before looks is denying that there is a very strong biological inclination for the opposite. There are plenty of men who value women for their personality, but there aren't many men who value women for their personalities before their looks. Even in the presence of men who may value you for your personality once they meet you, it is still advantageous to use your looks because they will only pursue and get to know those women they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:50 PM
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I understand your points. Those actions do go directly against what women claim they want. That is precisely why i tried explaining why women do so "reluctantly". You and I disagree on a fundamental point: whether men en masse are inherently biologically inclined to pursue women for their attractiveness, and whether the number of outliers to this trend is large enough for the average woman to bother trying to date one of them. You disagree with a core RP principle, that men are biologically incl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:10 PM
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You can complain that the rules of a game are unfair while still reluctantly playing the game to win. Women are judged by their appearance by the vast majority of society. In life we want certain things from people and in order to get them we need to appeal to what those people value. TRP goes on about how a man won't fuck your degree, men value attractiveness in women, that's simply a fact, and if a woman wants a man she will need to appeal to that. When women complain about being valued for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 02:10 PM
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Women initiate more divorce but men che\at far more often, and the gap between male and female cheating only increases with age, solidying my point. How many of those female initiated divorces were due to him chasing skirt elsewhere? Tbh I've calmed down since the mini breakdown i had while posting OP but the wome initiating more divorce stat is still one i dont totally buy the conclusions of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 08:56 AM
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"I can't give any statistics to support my claim even though other statistics have been given opposed to it b-but I promise I'm telling the truth and you're just wrong" A lot of younger women do find older men attractive. I am one of them. But attraction by itself doesn't make a relationship last a lifetime. The larger the age gap the more statistically likely the relationship is to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:51 PM
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If a man has let himself go, chances are so has his wife. A man with a decent career who let himself go still has a much higher smv than a woman with a decent career who has let herself go. He can still upgrade for someone younger, she'll just probably be chubby or a tad less than hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:41 PM
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Women don't want older partners for the same reason they don't become friends with older men. A relationship requires sex appeal AS WELL AS not INSTEAD OF that baser platonic respect. She may respect him, and he may find her attarctive, and that might be the most basic requirement for a sexual relationship, but fulfilling partnership require sexual attarctiona nd respect given to both parties. He won't respect her as a peer and will feel liek a second father to her. https://www.frostbecklaw.com/…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:25 PM
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Look up stats on age differences. Marriages with such a large age last even shorter life spans than marriages with smaller age gaps. ​ Even if the statistics didnt back this up simple logic would. It's much harder to relate to a man so much older. He becomes a father figure not a partner. It might be hot, and it might function as a economic family unit, but it doesn't breed long term respect commitment and companionship. ​ Besides women didn't choose older men. Older men chose yougner women prec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:07 PM
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The post is called CMV. We'd all love to believe men will love us unconditionally forever but you can't argue why they would while logic (and statistics) argue they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:04 PM
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Posts on the drama would be appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 01:56 PM
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Your comments have been hella long and I'll admit I haven't read them fully but I'll critique certain things that jumped out at me. > In the same way it's possible for an average male to improve so as to be among the top 20%, it's possible for an average female to improve so as to be able to claim a man in the top 20%. Incorrect. Men and women are different, that is the basis of RP. A man can improve because a large amount of his SMV is due to things he can change. The chunk of women's SMV is si…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 01:36 PM
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The point is this bursts the hollywood illusion of true love and what not. Knowing men don't want and only settle for LTR makes it obvious that a LTR and a man's love is not what women want it to be. Sure women should enter LTRs if they benefit them in amorally gathering resources/enjoyment but they should do so in the knowledge that the man they are with does not love them (in the way that they want to be loved) and would upgrade them for a harem of teens if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 12:52 AM
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Men want this universe ideally. Men want to reduce women to sex objects, but have to deal with the realities of them being people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 12:28 AM
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Correlation but no proof of causation. One could easily argue that in a modern western country those most likely to remain virgins until marriage are the religious, who are also (due to social and personal pressure) more inclined to stay married even in an unhappy marriage. If that's the case then lack of promiscuity does not make your future marriage more likely to be happy, it's religiousness that makes her both less promiscuous and less likely to divorce. That may not be the whole truth but t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/09/18 11:48 AM
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Elaborate please....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/18 12:35 PM
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Technically not born here but grew up here. Culturally more Irish than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 06:32 PM
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I argued that it wasn't the sole cause by pointing to other religious nations with a much higher divorce rate. You're welcome to argue against my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 02:51 PM
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Those are all fair points. As far as religious influence I would point to countries like Poland, which are at the cusp of 2nd world east bloc and the first world west. Religious has an even bigger impact on Poland now than it does in Ireland and yet Poland still has a much higher divorce rate. Based off that Id argue that religion itself doesn't seem to be a factor. I don't know enough about Polish law to say how easy it is to get married, but I do know Poland's communist past might have made su…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 01:27 PM
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But much of the evidence does seem to suggest those cultural values have waned. Political policy is one obvious one. My personal experience living here is another although anecdotal. I'll admit you might have a point about the statistics possible increasing in time. However, long term statistics from other countries who have been secular for longer seems to suggest that marriages formed in their early thirties have the lowest rate of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 01:23 PM
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I've lived here most of my life and only learned that fact recently too. Tbf I know of every few people in ym life who got divorced. I get the point you and others have made about the religious influence only recently waning. But whether it waned recently or a long time ago surely shouldn't matter. Whatever the past was like, modern ireland is secular. Poland is an interesting example. They are sort of inbetween west and east. Pretty modern metropolitan youth while still a largely religious olde…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 01:19 PM
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To my knowledge the risk of birth defects is still very small at 35. Granted it's much bigger than at 20, but a tiny number x10 is still a small number. Plus abortion is easily accessible in other parts of europe making detectable birth defects less of an issue. It's all well and good to hypothesise that having children in your thirties is a horrible life choice, but clearly a lot of (most) Irish women do it and Ireland is still a functioning first world country.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:33 PM
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Fair, but other western nations have divorce rates matching or exceeding the US's, so idk if the smaller number of marriages is that much of a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:29 PM
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Yes the popular vote is recent.... as is the divorce statistic. Those aren't statistics gathered from back when ireland was religious, those are from recently newlyweds. The same secular progessive young people that voted in abortion and gay marriage etc are the ones getting married in their early 30s. Heck even the fact they marry in their early 30s tells you they're secular. Religious Ireland (which wasnt that long ago) married much younger. My point stands that clearly religion isn't a factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:28 PM
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It feels like you really aren't approaching this in good faith. The whole point is that modern marriage still isn't equal. Domestic burden is labeled as adulting for you and your husband because his job apparently prevents him from doing the dishes himself. Domestic burden means sharing equal or near equal financial burden with your husband while carrying much more of the housework and childrearing. If you think that's incorrect and men do as much domestic unpaid work as women do then fine, sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 01:13 PM
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Well the study cited above seems to define better off as having an increase in "health", "wealth" and reported "happiness". YaAmar has argued that: Married women must suppress their hypergamy/promiscuity Married men en masse grow "complacent... boring, overweight and annoying Women end up carrying a much greater domestic burden (cooking, cleaning, sacrificing goals/career) than men while still carrying a near equal financial burden Complacency in men kills women's sex lives since the female libi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 12:27 PM
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Women who don't (plan to) marry create careers instead. You're entire comment relies on the assumption that an unmarried woman will receive more money from the government than a married woman would receive from her husbands excess income, which is just absurd. If unmarried women do have more money it's because they create careers instead of families. > What man or woman wouldn't be happier if they could receive free things without having to share or reciprocate? Well idk about you but I'd still …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:32 AM
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None of those point suggest women aren't worse off marriage. All they do is suggest women benefit from having men (and other people) around, which is obvious. Any endeavour in life benefits from being supported by more than one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:25 AM
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So you see studies citing women en masse aren't happy with marriage and your conclusion isn't "Modern marriage is subpar in providing women what they want" but instead "The majority of half the world's population is just spontaneously bitter and unable to be satisfied by anything while the other half of the population are all doe eyed little boys at heart". "projecting" if I ever saw it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:23 AM
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As much as I may not necessarily agree with everything (/anything) in this comment, it's pretty abysmal that none of the comments below it really countered the cited studies and just referred back to abstract RP hypotheses as if they're gospel and name calling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:20 AM
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First off your entire comment is about sexual attraction where as im talkign about relationships. Attraction is important but a healthy relationship is much more than that so saying older women are less sexy does not inherently make them worse life partners, only worse sexual partners. Whether a man wants a sexual partner or a life partner is his own business. Literally no one is insisting men should be attracted to older and more refined women lol. The OP is asserting that large age gap relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 10:58 PM
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Older women are bringing refinement ie a more cultivated intellect and maturity. They are the man's psychological peer. If a ma's highest priority is sex then of course he will go for younger women, that'd entirely my point, older men going for younger women is frowned upon because the idea of treating women like merely sex objects and not intellectual partners is something frowned upon. LESS DEMANDING Yes younger women can be less demanding but that is often due to naivety. As women grow older …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 07:41 PM
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I suppose I did so in the OP to present some of my worries so that others could help dispel them in their advice. Looking back the topic was poorly addressed.
/r/RedPillWomen27/08/18 02:11 AM
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I asked for advice about whether older men are worth while pursuing (ie whether i should take it into account in vetting) and advice on where to meet more such men.
/r/RedPillWomen27/08/18 01:43 AM
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You're right. I suppose I meant things that increase with age, like intellect and maturity.
/r/RedPillWomen26/08/18 08:43 PM
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I'm not saying I always assume those things I'm simply saying they are easy generalisations to make and I'm looking for other peoples opinions on them. It is possible that the issue is with the women he's encountering but if none of his past relationships with women has ended well then it's more statistically likely that he has a major fault rather than every single woman he's dated/encountered has had a major flaw. It is possible that he is very high quality and can't find a woman who matches t…
/r/RedPillWomen26/08/18 08:42 PM
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That is a very naive opinion and would function absurdly and inefficiently if it were applied to all other laws, you're basically advocating people become willfully ignorant of potential risks in the face of any statistical grey areas.... I have nothing else to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 11:13 AM
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There are so many reaches in this comment. No one is denying 18 yo women their agency. People simply realise that an 18 yo is not a fully formed adult and their opinions and decisions are often naive and uninformed. Older women have not forgotten that they would have disapproved of being told what to do, they remember that perfectly, which is also why they remember being naive and uninformed about the world and relationships. Your entire comment seems to hinge on the idea that people are telling…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 07:22 PM
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Sure that's a fine intention for your specific case. I very much doubt it applies to the general case. I some how doubt all these men fantasising and pursuing young women are doing so because they want to teach them the benefits of minimalism. And if there are an abundance of men like this I see little reason why there wouldn't be an abundance of similar women their own age. We can sit here all day and talk about wonderful wholesome relationships with large age gaps but I've already conceded tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 05:43 PM
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Well it's a tad more nuanced. One obvious difference is that men don't generally pursue or fantasise about pursuing women making much less money than them. They do however pursue women much younger than them. One seems predatory the other doesn't. Another major difference is that in the age gap relationship it is generally seen as the man profiting off the girls youth, and having the money/maturity/intellect which makes manipulating her easier. In a income gap relationship it is the woman who be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 03:16 PM
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Large income gap relationships are frowned upon. Women expecting men to have ambition in their careers let alone a good income is often branded as gold digging. Both of those types of relationships are frowned upon simply by different genders, men don't want to be only wallets, women don't want to be only sex objects. You may be right that one is somewhat less frowned upon than the other, but you can't deny both are frowned upon, and I don't think a game of "oppression olympics" is productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 03:03 PM
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You're the one assuming I'm speaking in absolutes. I'm not saying age gap relationships can't be healthy. I have been with men more than twice my age at certain points in my own life and I don't regret it. I am generalising about why the average relationship with a large age gap is more prone to facilitate manipulation and be unhealthy than a relationship with a smaller age gap, which is why society generally is more critical towards those relationships. It's perfectly fine to want to live a low…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 02:57 PM
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Large age gap relationships are frowned upon mainly because they are more prone to facilitating manipulation. In fact you outlined it in your post: > You don’t have to work as hard to impress them (from a material wealth/social standing perspective). ​ Standards go up as we age because we discover what truly is important in relationships and what we actually want in life. By saying you're pursuing younger women because they're easier to impress you're letting everyone know that you most likely f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 11:09 AM
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The reason women consider virginity to be an unreasonable requirement in a woman, is that they see no real logic behind it. Men can romanticise about virgins being "pure" or "innocent" but I'm yet to see any of the posts on this thread or any other RP thread mention exactly what apparently changes in a woman physically or mentally after she has sex, and why that change is undesirable other than irrational fantasy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/08/18 02:26 PM
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Sex is not something she earned. It's not something she had to work for, her ability to give him sex was a product of her birth it's a part of her. Being attractive is often something earned through working out and taking care of yourself. So, what men love and want the most from women is an inherent part of women. You put it perfectly, "what men love" is sex, women are simply the sources of sex they must deal with. Men sacrifice their families... to be with women. This is where your analogy to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:10 PM
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This is PPD where we debate red and blue pill theory. Hence why my post was based on red pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 06:46 PM
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You have literally no reason to believe that women ask for open relationships more often other than biased anecdotal evidence. Men cheat more... way more. Men and women cheat around the same amount until later years when men cheat more, again solidifying my argument that men dont love their wives and cheat on them as soon as they get old/unnattractive. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 06:41 PM
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Alright. Let's say men are capable of having emotional intimacy with both those wives. That's not quite the same thing as being in love. He may love his old wife as a family member but will that love rival what he has for the younger woman? He has two wives, both offer love and support and intellectual and emotional stimulation, one of them is obviously much more sexually attractive. It's obvious that he would prefer the younger one, it's obvious theyd spend more time together and have sex more …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:41 PM
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they'd just have both. They may have both but would they love both? If a man feels the compulsion to find a new wife once the first one gets old (even if he still keeps the first one) this is clearly because the first one is no longer attractive. This man hasn't spontaneously fallen mad for another woman because he's just a super loving guy. He did it because his wife is an object, a source of sex, and when the sex she gives him isn't good enough anymore he gets a knew wife, not because he just …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:09 PM
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I don't believe that men are incapable of love. It's the very first thing i say in my disclaimer. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+playing+devil%27s+advocate
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:02 PM
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Objectification: "the action of degrading someone to the status of a mere object." My point was men view women as sources of sex rather than people worthy of love. If it's so easy for men to distinguish who they sleep with with who they love why does RP tell women to get married in their early 20s? Because RP knows that the number one reason men date women is because they want someone to fuck. Youd get a better husband by being a deadbeat 20 yo beauty than a devoted lover in her 40s. Do you genu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 12:38 AM
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You've basically just claimed OP statement is incorrect but then not given any evidence to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 11:52 PM
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You're right that polygamy wasn't technically correct. You've managed to completely ignore my point about how readily men bond over their hatred of women and how a simple glance through some of the manosphere is a testament to that. Yes I've been on tumblr. It's mostly porn and girls with dyed hair posting faux art. I'm yet to see a post about how men's cognitive capacity being literally that of a teenager and encouraging women to treat men as disposable sources of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 11:50 PM
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You're arguing my point for me. Men are incapable of holding themselves back from polygamy. In your narrative they are incapable of loving a woman enough to be monogamous and would rather dump her than give up their chance at having multiple plates. The examples of harems used in this thread have all been of great monarchs. The pharoahs had harems because they were considered literal gods and could have you killed if you refused to sleep with them. A king affectively owning his subjects and havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 11:44 PM
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I'm sure women wanted him. My point is i don't see how expecting a man to be monogamous to you is any more selfish than a man wanting multiple women at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 11:01 PM
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I find it interesting how RP always use dead bedrooms as a reason to never marry, because sex is so important to men and it's how they bond and feel desired, but suddenly when polygamy comes into the conversation these same men will tell you how easily they can distance sex from love.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 03:09 PM
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Greed is physically unattractive tbh If having a harem isn't a result of greed idk what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:55 PM
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Open a manosphere forum you see men calling women cock carousel riding whores incapable of cognitive thought higher than that of a teenager. Open your link and you see no slurs hurled at men and no guides on how to steal men's resources...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 07:44 AM
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Conventional conceptions of love are that it's monogamous. Women don't want to be loved like children. Example of a community as large and as vindictive as incels/mgtow etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 07:31 AM
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The advice was somewhat optimistic because the question warranted it. OP clearly had a more negative attitude to relationships, i simply tried to give her a more realistic understanding of the situation by showing her evidence to the contrary. Ofcourse being transgender is dangerous, I didnt think she needed me to tell her that, nor did i think she needed me to tell her not to go down dark alleys or meet with strangers or date men who don't know shes trans. If she came with an over optimistic qu…
/r/RedPillWomen20/05/18 05:14 PM
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Okay your criticism of the data is valid but really doesn't point one way or the other. We don't know whether these fans of extreme porn watch is so frequently as to skew results. At worst this tells us some men are attracted to trans women but not very many, which frankly was always my conclusion. I really think you're reaching and trying intentionally to get riled up. I haven't given her any suggestion other than use RPW to improve herself. What irresponsible advice have I given exactly? I am …
/r/RedPillWomen20/05/18 04:38 PM
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Well actually hormonal birth control is generally different than the hormones trans women get. You are correct that birth control only mimics estrogen but hormones for trans women in the western world are usually bioidentical and have been for a while. The most common type is estradiol hemihydrate which is estradiol (literally the same hormone as found naturally in the body) in a crystal with water molecules and is taken directly into the blood stream, so it's generally safe to say this form of …
/r/RedPillWomen20/05/18 04:01 PM
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I think all comments so far have been in good faith but could warrant some correcting. Men who're into trans women aren't all that rare in fact "shemale porn is one of the top ten genres of porn for heterosexual men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPJQbB2o8Es (btw their research is rather interesting and confirms a lot of redpill thoughts) The issue resides more with the fact that settling down with a genetic woman is much less hassle even for men who may enjoy sleeping with you. I find that t…
/r/RedPillWomen20/05/18 01:42 PM
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This was spot on.
/r/RedPillWomen19/05/18 12:48 PM
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I don't understand why she shouldn't have brought up TRP to him. If she's open to him about using RPW tactics in their relationship why wouldn't they be able to have an open discussion about it?
/r/RedPillWomen15/05/18 07:17 AM
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Alrightie but the question was asking you to outline those precise "markers". Like the whole "what can she do for me" might be a nice attitude for building confidence but it shouldn't hold you back from putting the attitude aside for a moment to answer the question. Although the attitude may be good for confidence, if you truly believe you needn't earn their appreciation but they need to earn yours i doubt that's a healthy way of approaching a partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 10:09 PM
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"A man awakens within a woman a sense of awe and respect through being better than her and higher up in the hierarchy. Through providing the male type of unwavering, steady provision and protection." In your opinion has women's entrance into the work place and higher education made it harder for women now to love their husbands than in the past? In a situation where a woman is relatively equally educated to her partner (as is the case with most couples), where she may earn a similar salary to hi…
/r/RedPillWomen13/05/18 10:00 PM
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"Excitement" might be overplaying it, but yes this sort of behaviour will certainly be appreciated by most women. Although I think your original comment is still lacking and inaccurate. In the example you gave you arent simply living an "exciting" life by yourself and having a woman join you, your exciting event is a date and presupposes the partner. You claim you never ask yourself what you bring to the table but you clearly do, you know women enjoy such behaviour (decisiveness, variety etc) an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 09:27 PM
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Well im not certain if I understand what your asking but Ill try answer anyway. I can only speak for myself. Abs are something that comes from being lean. Men put fat onto their stomach before anywhere else so for a man to have abs he'd have to be rather lean, ive always found this look rather boyish if not outright effeminate. A man can be muscular (ie strong, big biceps, big pecs) while still having some weight on him and a belly.
/r/RedPillWomen13/05/18 05:58 PM
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Emm well in ireland its free through the public health care but waiting lists are long af. Even if you pay privately its only a few grand no where near 6k dollars / 5k euro.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 05:14 PM
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Jesus. Glad i live in europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:37 PM
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So what constitutes excitement then? TRP has nothing to do with partners, it tells you what women find sexually attractive but sexual attraction does not build a life and partnership between two people. Women with rape kinks don't marry rapists, fun and excitement is not always pragmatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:34 PM
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Except the women in the Q4W post had pretty constructive answers, theres more butt hurt men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:36 AM
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I used to have terrible teeth and then got braces and honestly you never realise how much the insecurity around your teeth set you back until you fix them. Just being able to smile is such an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 09:19 AM
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Men do have plenty of requirements. A simple read through trp will tell you how men expect, constant sexual availability, "respect", obedience, sacrificing ones own self interest for that of a partner. I don't think you're being honest if you think a man's only requirement from a relationship is that she be semi attractive and "nice". Even if one does not have a laundry list of requirements the question does make sense. The answer simply need be shorter. If i am a woman who offers little i can o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:38 PM
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Think you're trying to vent frustration about the state of male female relations. I amn't interested in AWALT or whatever. I want to know what it is men believe they offer and what incentive women have for being with them, seeing as a) most men cannot provide, and b) a lot of men seem to view women as simply a provider of sex (these break not only female historic dependence on men but also many romantic notions of soulmates). Those situations are different but it doesn't change the fact that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:25 PM
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That still seems rather vague. Women also strive to have a good sense of humour, to be good looking and to be a status symbol (by virtue mostly of being arm candy).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:07 PM
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Then tell us what's so exciting and interesting? A lot of women know what they want from a partner and excitement does not often coincide with marriage material. The question was framed like this as a reaction to the same question being posed of women. You are incorrect if you think women don't ask themselves "what can he do for me".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:39 PM
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I agree, though its sometimes hard to know exactly what can distinguish oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:09 PM
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It is interesting but hard to really learn anything from it. Is it an indication about women's desperation to find a man? An indication that this sub attracts depressed/self loathing men? Maybe the fact that trp concentrates so much on criticising women and what they do/dont provide that the answer to that question is easier to give. Maybe women seek validation more than men. Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:43 PM
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Tbh I totally agree with your attitude towards all this and am trying to do the same. I.e. communicate and fulfill my partners needs as best i can, while expecting the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:29 PM
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I noticed that too. Although lets not over look the multiple men who have taken this seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:28 PM
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Fair. Although the original question was directed at typical modern relationships where partners have similar salaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:24 PM
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Yes and this entire thread of comments is irrelevant and began with an equally irrelevant and self indulging original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:19 PM
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And has nothing to do with my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:13 PM
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As far as I know Beta bux means money or financial resources. Most women I know make near enough the same as their partners and this will definitely be even more true when my generations gets married off. Correct me if im wrong on the meaning of beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:13 PM
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Expecting you to be interesting is incredibly vague and really applies to near all none professional human interactions. Men with minimum wage jobs still get relationships. A lot of men dress like shit. Most men, (like most women) in the west let themselves go with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:11 PM
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Single study vs. quite a lot of others. Instance of violence will not affect disparity in the severity of the violence. I'm not here to argue about this. This whole post was only to ask: What do men offer women in relationships? My point was that the commenter ignored the actual point of the post to go on a pity party, self indulgence that belongs on its own post not this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:03 PM
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Whats the lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:52 PM
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Correct with first line. One could argue that high levels of domestic abuse and general misogyny is the thanks women get for literally giving brith to you and all of humanity. Don't be melodramatic this post is about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:42 PM
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I asked why are men desirable to women and all you did was respond by saying "I hate this, men are very desirable to women and women offer little to men". I'm literally asking you to outline exactly what makes you a benefit to a woman's life. "Men do a lot...." Exactly what do they do. Examples not vague assertions please.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:41 PM
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That was a silly response and you know it. This isnt a debate about what men offer to society or have offered to society its asking what individual men offer to women they're in relationships with. You did not personally invent the internet, nor do i need to date you to use it (for example). And as far as men's contribution to civil development goes: for most of history men's ability to innovate and work required women's handling of domestic matters and birthing/rearing the next generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 08:37 PM
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I think we're both coming at this from different attitudes so obviously we'll disagree and that's fine, however I will point out that a) many men get married, commitment isnt that rare b) by that same token "a red pill [man] should be able to [cook and clean for himself]" I'm all for traditional gender roles but I don't think a man's company is enough to warrant me serving him, but obviously it is enough for you, different strokes for different folks
/r/RedPillWomen08/05/18 06:50 PM
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But shouldn't relationships be give and take? What do men bring to the table to warrant a free personal maid besides financial support?
/r/RedPillWomen08/05/18 05:58 PM
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The only way to discern if a feature is caused by a masculine attitude is to first disprove examples of it being caused by a feminine attitude. This was not a given. I can see my comment was unwanted and will respectfully delete it.
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/18 05:59 PM
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Actually my primary question had nothing to do with women. I asked whether this feeling of being an imposter was a fundamental feature of the masculine attitude, or whether this was something induced by environmental factors (ie career). The answer to that question can give insight into why men are the way they are and can further be applied to other masculine features. I didn't shift the discussion because everyone reading this thread is welcome to ignore me. Perhaps ideally I would have just m…
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/18 05:37 PM
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I really don't get the hostile attitude to my comment. I don't see how my asking questions and opening a discussion is in anyway negative or self indulgent. The objective of this subreddit is improving relationships. Relationships are comprised of two partners. Men feeling like imposters doesn't exist/arise in a vacuum. It's worth while to ask why they feel this way and where else feelings of inadequacy arise in a relationship. "It doesn't matter what women feel like. " It does if your objective…
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/18 05:14 PM
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I wonder to what extent this is individual to men. Ofcourse in a retro 1950s style dynamic this rings true but in our modern day world most houses are dual income and most women have careers of their our, careers in which they too are judged on their adequacy and may feel like an "imposter". Are career men more likely to feel like imposters than career women? Is this something fundamental to the masculine attitude or just a result of having to forge a career? Perhaps something else of note is wo…
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/18 03:33 PM
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I wasn't claiming to know anything. I was looking to widen my scope of knowledge and learn from people. The fact you feel compelled to announce to strangers on the internet that you allegedly have a girl, just because someone expected you to engage in a discussion in good faith is clearly an overcompensating response due to insecurity. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:46 AM
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Lmfao I didn't have the link saved it was just a quick google search. Saying you're well read and therefore you know your point is correct is not an argument. If your job keeps you too busy to engage then don't engage but this is hearsay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:16 AM
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Incorrect. A woman may find a man to sleep with her very easily, but as women age their smv/rmv goes down, trp is always going on about how women past the wall are worthless, you think those women can just go branch swing to a man of higher smv than her current husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:10 AM
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In fairness that is a tabloid magazine that doesn't even reference its source. https://www.statisticbrain.com/infidelity-statistics/ This link was interesting in that it showed similar statistics about marital cheating as my earlier link but shows that outside of marriage men and women cheat equally. It seems men and women are just as likely to cheat but women are more prone to restraining their impulses in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:03 AM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america Men are 54% more likely to cheat on their spouses in their lifetimes. I'd welcome counter evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:51 AM
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Yes. I'm not debating that lol. My points still stand Women are pickier when it comes to sex Sleeping with a man (who she isnt intimate with) requires him to be exceptionally physically attractive (ie higher smv) My original point was always that women go for men with higher smv for casual sex, but will (over time) find a man of equal smv sexually attractive because sexual attraction for women can build over time due to various things the man does to/for/with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 09:10 PM
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Okay it seems you're not really approaching my points in good faith. i know plenty of women have casual sex, that doesn't change the fact that her attraction to a man is largely (but not completely) linked to intimacy. There is an instantaneous sexual attraction to a person absed on their looks/status. For men this is usually most important, they see a woman they find attarctive and they wanna fuck her simple as. For women physicality isn't as important, a woman's attraction to a man will tend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 08:58 PM
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Yeh you're right about the polygamy kind of slipped my mind when I wrote that. Any evidence to back up the generational divide in cheating/other differences? Why do you think men used to cheat more? Wives dependence on a husband financially/being a SAHW?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 08:48 PM
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But a branch swing isn't just sleeping with a man. If a man flirts with you it is no indication that he wants a relationship, unless he outright discusses it which i doubt many men would do with no response from the woman. Branch swinging isnt just fucking another man its swinging from a relationship to another. Men are the gate keepers of commitment. Imagine you flirted with a girl a few times she's never reciprocated overtly, then one day she shows up at your door saying she's lft her husband …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 08:42 PM
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Aye you're right that women receive flirtation and advances from men while in a relationship without any apparent negatives but for a woman to branch swing and form a relationship with a new man she would have to flirt back, which is just as shamed in her as in men. And the 54% higher rate of cheating by men than women tells us that men are in fact more likely to initiate this flirting while in a relationship regardless of the negative consequences it will bring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 08:33 PM
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Even so, branch swingng is treated as a direct result of female hypergamy and the only real issue trp seems to have with hypergamy per se. So even if men aren't hypergamous by definition that doesnt change the fact they still branch swing. Women are pickier when it comes to sex. They arent driven to have sex like men are. For women sex is usually tied up with intimacy and their sexual attraction for a man increases when he rpovides intimacy/emotional support. Women go for men of higher SMV for c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 08:17 PM
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That's actually an interesting take. However, male SMP allegedly rises as they age, peaks in their thirties when their careers are on a steady track. Would this not mean that the level of women he can get also rises, wouldn't it then make sense for a man to leave his current honey who gave him her best SMP years, and for him to start the process all over again of finding a woman from most preferred -> least preferred?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:55 PM
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I addressed the "banging.. [both]" above. Why is that not also considered a form of branch swinging. He may not want to divorce and never see his kids again/pay alimony but that doesnt change the fact hes effectively upgraded his wife for a newer model. There must be a biological need for men to "do... better". It makes sense for men to choose the best possible women to breed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:47 PM
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Men may be less prone to initiate divorce but their 54% more likely to cheat on their spouse than women are. (20% of married men cheat vs 13% of women) https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america So even if men are less likely to divorce their wives for some hot young thing, they are certainly more likely to keep that hot young thing on the side. Seems this is motivated by fear of the consequences of divorce for men, and a case of having your cake and eatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:45 PM
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I'm not debating just asking what your reasoning is, I wanted an insight into your decision. But if you don't want to say that's fine.
/r/RedPillWomen03/05/18 04:18 PM
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Do you mind me asking what it is you feel you're gaining from this marriage. I understand men and women needed do the same things or "be equal" but this just seems extreme. Traditionally men provided and women took care of the house. You are not only fulfilling the traditional female role but also taking on the male one, I would have thought most redpill women would insist on their husbands holding down the male resposnibilities all the more. The principal of SMV/RMV is that men and women opt in…
/r/RedPillWomen03/05/18 03:55 PM
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Is this something men expect? Idk what your arrangement is like and it's really none of my concern but I have to wonder if this is genuinely what most men expect. I totally get men wanting a woman to cook for them but I cant imagine taking care of a man's house if he didnt provide. Home making is a full time job. You have two full time jobs, while he only has 1?
/r/RedPillWomen03/05/18 01:59 AM
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I accept the criticism that I may not have delved deep into research. However I don't see how a man's age or marital status really plays into him calling women bitches or just basic hypocracy/logical fallacies. Certain things can't really be taken out of context. It concerns me because I don't live in a bubble, because men's attitudes towards women, specifically the attitudes of men within a subsection of society that I am likely to find a partner affects me.
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 10:15 PM
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I struggle to believe that. Men may not be hypergamous but isnt it rp rhetoric that men are polygamous or want to bed as many women as possible which owuld definitely drive them to go hitch up with some bimbo. There are definitely shrews out there but I cant believe women are always at fault. I've seen some horrible husbands. I could easy revolve your arguement and say "Show me a woman who does not cook, clean service her man, or treat him like a king, and I'll show you a man who does not provid…
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 09:48 PM
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But I guess at this point I'm just hysterically worrying. Gotta face the real risks even if reality's hard to swallow.
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 09:29 PM
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Are they though? I may be the NAWALT for now but what about when im 35? It seems the consensus is that once a woman hits the wall she's lost her worth. The problem si that this holds true outside of redpill... so many regular guys leave their wives for someone half their age its the tale as old as time.
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 09:28 PM
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You're right about gender roles not being invented on reddit, and that redpill isnt the only resource for this matter. Thank you for pointing him out to me I'll have a look at him. But I doubt he's the sort of man that would roam the redpill sub. I suppose the answer is that I needn't date a redpill man at all. I guess I was looking for reassurance. It's easy to get trapped in the fear that all traditional men are redpilled plate spinners. Thanks
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 09:21 PM
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Yeh tradcons are generally more my thing. But my point still stands that surely redpillwomen is full of women that date men off the main redpill sub. So how do these women reconcile the typical redpill man's attitudes?
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 09:18 PM
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I wish more redpill content was like this. Your writing is well put and seems to come from a palce of good faith. It's difficult for me to read a lot of the redpill content written by men as too much of it reads as outright bitter/resentful/misogynist i.e. referring to women as bitches/cunts, saying things like "Remember, women are children: mentally, behaviourally, evolutionarily. They are not like us. They don’t think like us, or have the same deep sense of personal responsibility." which just…
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