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It seems that she likes the attention you give her through text and social media but isn't interested enough to meet in real life. That's the difference between men and women. Guys want to meet up irl and fuck whereas women are content with the mental masturbation of having hordes of guys interested in them. With so many options they can choose the best and still receive attention from the others. Best to put her on the back burner and pursue other women. The harder you try with the one the less…
/r/seduction18/04/19 08:49 PM
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Watch The Tao of Steve with Donal Logue if you can find it.
/r/seduction21/03/19 06:11 PM
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Most guys here get stuck in the anger phase because they get trapped in the circle jerk of blaming women for being women. This sub is rife with "TRP is confirmed again, I witnessed some girl do some self-serving action" posts. All of these posts get upvoted but no personal growth ever comes from it. Those who upvote those posts never make it out of the anger phase. The only way to make it out of the anger phase is to place the blame where it belongs: on ourselves. We are angry for listening to o…
/r/TheRedPill13/02/18 04:23 PM
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Everyone here is quick to blame your girlfriend for this change. You've identified that you were the problem. Your blue pill actions and attitude were working against you. You've identified the problem and you are fixing it. Keep working on yourself. Hit the gym. Read everything you can about TRP. Continuously improve yourself. You will notice a change in her as you improve.
/r/TheRedPill02/01/18 07:17 PM
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Walk slower. Tie your shoe. Get stuck at a traffic light that she doesn't get stuck at. Let her feel how awkward it is for her to be a half block ahead of you. Wait for her to come back to you. DON'T catch up to her. If she doesn't ever slow down to be beside you, pop into a store to buy a drink or stop for a coffee. The fallout will result in either 1. her submissively coming back to you or 2. her getting mad/ leaving. If it is the latter, then it is a sign of a bigger issue, mostly her not see…
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 04:53 PM
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You are on the right path. The key is to always be observing, learning and adapting. TRP is not a destination. You will never "arrive." It is the journey and what we learn from it that makes us who we are. Internalize everything - from what you learned from your dad to what you learn from each interaction with girls to observing your friends. What you decide to do with this information is up to you.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/17 04:52 PM
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Your girlfriend should be your best friend, but don't let that delude you into thinking that you should confide in her like you would confide in your male best friends. You should be her hero, her rock. You should be near god-like status in her eyes- in what you do, in what you say, in how you conduct yourself. Don't ever let her see behind the curtain. This is exactly how attraction is lost.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 02:42 PM
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For an attractive woman, that's just the cost of doing business. A woman's biological imperative is to pair/mate with the highest quality man she can. If 1 or 2 "quality" men get disqualified while she weeds out hundreds or thousands of lower quality, she is better off than if she pairs with a low quality man. An attractive woman will just hamster away the few quality men as "not good enough" for her. Plus don't underestimate the abundance an attractive woman has. Better to let a few good ones s…
/r/TheRedPill23/08/17 02:25 AM
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Jealousy is NEVER a good thing on the side of men. For women, it’s different. If your girlfriend gets jealous or senses competition from another girl, it INCREASES the attraction she feels for you. Women want men who are wanted. It also feels good personally to know that your girlfriend likes you enough to get jealous (as long as it’s not overboard). But it doesn’t work the other way around. When a GUY gets jealous of ANOTHER guy, it DECREASES your girlfriends attraction for you and INCREASES he…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/17 05:55 PM
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Her lack of interest seems more like shit tests as opposed to insufficiency of interest. The fact that she continued to stay with you after your initial approach shows that she was interested. But she doesn't know who you are or what your intentions are so she needs to shit test to weed out weirdos, betas, and low value men. Her not kissing is you is more rooted in trying to decipher your intentions - her giving away sex to a low value man would be detrimental to her. She talks about how busy he…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/17 05:27 PM
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The investment of energy that you make in other people should be equal to the investment of energy they make in you. When there is an imbalance in the amount of effort, respect, kindness or energy you put into a relationship is when you become needy/clingy and are taken advantage of. This is true with women, friends, coworkers, family, etc. Your first step to taking the red pill should not be in blaming everyone else around you for the imbalance of energy, but to look at yourself and figuring ou…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/17 05:07 PM
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Never rely on an external source to supply you with your happiness. When you don't supply your own happiness, you are vulnerable the person or substance that provides you with that emotion. Happiness should be generated from within. When you generate and supply your own happiness, you are in control of how happy you are. This is done through focusing on yourself and self-improvement. Lifting, hobbies, reading books/the pursuit of knowledge, focusing on study/work, creating wealth, improving your…
/r/TheRedPill05/07/17 05:52 PM
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This sub is very polarizing about social media. 1/2 thinks you need to be on all of them to game women, 1/2 thinks that it is beta-supreme to have a facebook page. I say that you should exist in the grey area. Have a facebook page so you can use messenger, events and be tagged in photos with friends/ hot girls. Don't post any of your own "random thoughts," how you're feeling, memes or your own pics. Don't be active on it and don't try to "game girls" by commenting on their photos and especially …
/r/TheRedPill26/06/17 06:07 PM
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I know this woman was hot, but don't give her the power. You should be the one with the power- that's what separates you from the other guys that have been stunned by her beauty. You fell into the trap that all of the other guys she has dated fell into. You put her on a pedestal because of her beauty. I get it, we've all been there. But next time, just treat her like you would treat a 6 or a 7. And don't reject yourself before she has a chance to reject you. Always Assume Attraction. Goal for ne…
/r/TheRedPill02/02/17 07:54 PM
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Don't get caught up on the specifics of one particular girl. You are trying to attribute logic to the actions of an illogical creature. We'll never know why she didn't text yoyback (shit doesn't matter anyways). What you can do (and are doing) is learn from your successes and failures. Did she not text back because you asked too many questions (probably not). Did she not text because you stayed too long (maybe, remember you are a busy man with goals to achieve and enemies to crush). Did she not …
/r/TheRedPill05/12/16 11:54 PM
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Morpheus - "We have a rule...we never free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It's dangerous, and the mind has trouble letting go." It's tough man - you spent the last 40 years living life with a certain viewpoint and the last 16 with a woman at the center of that life. Now that that viewpoint has shattered and that life has changed, your reaction similar to all of us that have been unplugged - depression, anger, and denial. But you've found the RP, which will put you on your way to recovery.…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/16 04:43 PM
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The flaw with consumerism is that it builds one's identity on the achievements of other people. Foodies build their identity on the food others make. Movie buffs build their identity on the art created by others. Sports fanatics build their identity on the physical accomplishments of other men. Producers build their identity on their own achievements. Their self satisfaction is in their own hands. Their happiness is not dependent on others. They make their own happiness.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 11:31 PM
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People that find misery in deprivation will always be miserable, because they will always be looking for materials goods to fill their happiness. People that find joy in deprivation will always be happy, because they don't require material goods to find happiness.
/r/TheRedPill26/05/16 08:52 PM
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You should ask to be transferred to a different team as well. Mention the words "hostile work environment" to your manager or hr (that is a term that hr is required to follow up on at most companies). Cite the lack of productivity and decline in team performance. Be civil and unemotional but also be direct and factual. It will bring your concerns about hamzilla to the attention of those above you while also keeping your job. If it doesn't work then your company is dumb and it is best you move on…
/r/TheRedPill24/03/16 12:20 PM
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When I first discovered the red pill, the fire that fueled my transformation was the thought of seeing the look in the eyes of the girls who rejected me or passed me over. It drove me to a new career where I doubled my salary. Learning to manage my own investments and grow my savings. I hit the gym, focused on my health, and worked on my style. I canceled my cable, read books, picked up new hobbies. I worked on my communication skills and studied social dynamics. I made new friends and strengthe…
/r/TheRedPill06/03/15 02:27 AM
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Well, obivously you can't overtly tell her "I'm ignoring you on purpose because I'm trying to get my way." That will only make you look childish and she will lose attraction to you. Conversely, you can't say you aren't ignoring her and start giving her attention again; then you don't achieve the actual intent of your goal, which is eliciting a specific behavior from her. So I think the only option is to say "I'm not acting any different. I have no idea what you are talking about baby." Then doub…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 05:07 PM
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I completely agree on the precedent being set earlier in the relationship, but it hasn't been through a lack of effort or tactics on my part. Early in the relationship, when I received little to no physical affection when we were together or out with friends, I employed my version of agree & amplify. Being that, if she wasn’t going to show me affection (hand holding, touching, etc), then I wouldn’t show her any. But amplifying it to the point of, I’ll completely ignore her and befriend her frien…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/14 07:46 PM
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Smile when it feels natural. Be genuine. Don't force a smile just to try to win someone's approval or to simply try to fit in socially.
/r/seduction03/01/14 09:17 PM
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Haha... All I'm saying is you could try to learn why you felt so confident in your costume and try to extrapolate that into success outside of the costume. Or... you could just see it as a gimmick that might get you laid once a year. The choice is up to you to make.
/r/seduction01/11/13 09:21 PM
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The moral of your story should be to learn to be as confident as you were in your costume during your everyday life while not in costume. You weren't afraid to strike out with girls because they couldn't see your true identity. If you struck out, who cares, because nobody knew it was you. Now how would that feel if you had the same confident swagger everyday of your life, without having to wear a costume? Clark Kent could have banged Lois Lane if he wanted to, he just lacked the confidence. If h…
/r/seduction01/11/13 08:55 PM
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I'm not pointing out something specifically. I want you to look at your approach and figure out where you are going wrong. Put yourself in her shoes. If someone approached you using your methods, would you want to continue talking to them?
/r/seduction01/11/13 07:19 PM
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Agreed. The approach seems too impersonal. It doesn't make the girl feel special. She is thinking to herself "he's probably asked this question to 20 girls already and will probably ask it to another 20 after me." Direct game can be good, but not when it seems so cookie cutter. I agree with you, he can still use direct game, but try to make it more personalized and make it seem more genuine.
/r/seduction01/11/13 07:09 PM
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When a girl is consciously aware that she is being "picked up" her defensives automatically go up. When she is unaware that your intentions are to "pick her up" then she is more receptive to your presence. Objectively look at your approach. Put yourself in her shoes. Would you continue a conversation with someone that approached you like that? Everyone is weary of salesmen because we know their motivation. If you are projecting your motivation in your approach, you decrease your chances of estab…
/r/seduction01/11/13 06:58 PM
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This is the absolute best answer. Her asking to be entertained by you is obvious hoop jumping and should be avoided at all costs. If the request is over text either *don't respond *respond saying you are busy with something and you'll text her later If the request is done in person *call her request lame *roll your eyes at her *pretend to fall asleep *actually fall asleep Basically, do the opposite of what she requests you to do. Never jump through a girl's hoops.
/r/seduction07/10/13 05:28 PM
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She likes the attention. Me thinks you aren't the only guy she is doing this too. Best not to devote too much time, energy, or effort into girls like this. The less attention you give her, the better your chances are (of either hooking up with her or finding some other girl worthy of your time).
/r/seduction07/10/13 05:01 PM
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At the very minimum: Keep eye contact with her while you are doing the talking: what you are saying is important. It show confidence that you are holding eye contact with her and require her to pay attention to what you are saying. Maintain intermittent eye contact with her while she is talking. It does two things: it shows you are engaged, but not too engaged (aloof) in what she is saying. And it makes her (subconsciously) work harder to gain your approval.
/r/seduction04/04/13 02:01 AM
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Yes, I've been there. My first dive into PUA made me feel like I was a circus monkey performing in front of a crowd. I would do anything to get a reaction out of a girl. Don't get me wrong, it wa an important step in learning (dissecting) the dynamics of interacting with others. Once you understand each party's role in an interaction, you'll start to ponder their motiviation. Once you digest that, you can almost step back and see things in a 3rd person view. The depths of human interactions is f…
/r/seduction04/04/13 01:52 AM
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I think that is a common occurence when you first start pursuing women with a PUA mindset. You are trying so hard to get them to like you, you avoid all awkward silences and keep the conversation going at all costs. You are working hard to win their approval. Thus you ask all the question and don't leave a window for her to ask some back. When you become more comfortable, you portray more confidence thus 1. leaving more silences for her to ask questions and 2. give off more of a desired vibe.
/r/seduction02/04/13 07:12 PM
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Silence is only awkward up until the point when rapport is established. After that, it is a normal element of any interaction. Constantly trying to fill it is awkward. Embracing it shows you are comfortable with them and comfortable with yourself. And also remember, you have been working hard on developing your social skills- the people you are talking to most likely have not. That is why it is more noticeable to you. Because it is something that is important to you. Most people are not in the s…
/r/seduction02/04/13 05:40 PM
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When you take the lead and up your game like you have described, you become the "leader" of the conversation. It's not that they are not engaged, it is that you are in the leading role and they are in the following role. Since you are the one that is engaging them, it would be weird to expect them to take the lead. You don't walk up to someone and expect them to lead the conversation. I completely understand where you are coming from. It is nice for them to return the attraction and attention. B…
/r/seduction02/04/13 05:16 PM
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My 2 cents: Sounds like you were too worried about making her like you. You can't force it. The best you can do is present the best version of yourself and if she likes it good, if she doesn't, oh well- there's more fish in the sea. There were a couple of things you wrote where it looked like you were looking for her approval. For example, don't worry about the pot thing. If she's not into it, then it wouldn't have worked out. And the cigar thing, yes- it probably increased rapport. But who care…
/r/seduction02/04/13 03:17 AM
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Shark should be mandatory reading for all males on the planet.
/r/seduction02/04/13 02:54 AM
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I can see what you are saying. Maybe I was too big picture. Let me give you my philosphy on dating. I've never felt like I was trying to outcompete other guys, because I believe I am truly my girl's best option. Is that egotistical? Maybe. But it's better than living your life in constant fear of your girl cheating. If you approach a relationship in fear of losing the girl, you will treat her differently. A girl will pick up on this and eventually feel like yes, she can do better than you. It is…
/r/seduction02/04/13 02:49 AM
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Be the type of guy that a girl would cheat on her boyfriend with. Girls are always going to look to trade up for the better option. When you are the best option, they won't look to trade up. They will only try to hold on to you and please you so you won't leave them.
/r/seduction02/04/13 02:16 AM
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Were the women actually disinterested before you approached, or did you just perceive them to be disinterested? Or better yet, did you expect them to be disinterested in you? I've read through your last couple of posts, and I can definitely tell you that your failure is coming from your infatuation with your looks. I looked at your picture, you're a good looking guy. You kind of look like Joey from friends. Believe me, it isn't your looks that are holding you back, it is your negative self image…
/r/seduction08/02/13 05:28 PM
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Let's dissect your game. Where specifically are you failing? The approach? The transition from comfort building to attraction building? Give me a little more info and we'll go from there.
/r/seduction08/02/13 04:47 PM
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I approve of this message
/r/TheRedPill24/01/13 10:01 PM
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Yes. You are already touching her incidentally. Whether it be sitting with your legs touching, or you touching her knee or thigh when you are talking. If you are seated on a couch in a lounge, it is very easy to pick up her leg and put it over yours. At that point you two should be sitting very close to each other. Just do it while you are in the middle of a story, barely acknowledging that you are doing it. If it appears natural and congruent to your personality and the moves you have already m…
/r/seduction22/01/13 01:22 AM
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Google Vin DiCarlo's escalation ladder. It is the definitive source on the use of touch in relation to attraction. The application of touch (incidental touch on the ladder) can be started in class and continued afterwards. As far as being "friends first" is concerned, that is your belief, and may be true for a certain percentage of girls, but is by no means universal or even the majority. You must expand your limiting belief of what is possible and what you hold to be true. Many girls your age a…
/r/seduction21/01/13 10:34 PM
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Every guy here has done exactly that. We failed, but then learned from our mistakes. I'm sure the next girl you approached you had something to follow up the opener with, didn't you? That is how we learn what our weaknesses are and then turn them into our strengths.
/r/seduction21/01/13 09:54 PM
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Hooking up with one of the girls will actually increase your chances of hooking up with the other girls. Girls want guys who are wanted by other girls. As long as you treat the girls you hook up with with respect and honesty, you will be fine hooking up with the other girls later on.
/r/seduction21/01/13 09:50 PM
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Hi Rollo, I love your blog. My question is where do you see gender roles in 50 or even 100 years from now (specifically in the U.S.)? Do you think we continue down our current path? Or is it possible thing will go too far and start to reverse back to the way things were 60 years ago? I'm interested in your take on this.
/r/TheRedPill21/01/13 05:18 PM
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All of your points are good examples of maintaining attraction (mostly identical to my method). I think the take away is that attraction cannot be created or increased over text, only maintained. You're not going to turn a cold girl hot over text, but you can keep a hot girl hot or keep a warm girl warm.
/r/seduction10/01/13 09:51 PM
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To expand further, I would like to clarify that texting isn't the proper tool to increase attraction. That is almost always most effectively done in person. At best it can be used to maintain rapport and comfort. It is also effective in bridging the gap between dates and maintaining interest with a girl that already has a high interest level in you. At worst improper texting can lower a girl's attraction to you regardless of her level of attraction. That is why less is always better, because the…
/r/seduction10/01/13 09:36 PM
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To add to #2- Your two greatest tools are jealousy and self doubt. Jealousy- You shouldn't flirt with other women, but other women should flirt with you. Hot women. It creates a competitive desire in her. Self doubt- covert, not overt. Why is he working out so much? Why is he working so late? Why did he upgrade his wardrobe? Who is he trying to impress? --- Plant the subtle seed of self doubt in her head.
/r/TheRedPill08/01/13 02:45 AM
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Sounds like his female friends are content keeping him as an orbiter and are not willing to share the one commodity they keep him around for: attention.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/13 10:49 PM
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Shark changed my life. Everyone should read that blog.
/r/seduction04/01/13 09:46 PM
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I can just picture your next Red Pill post... Overcoming Ass To Mouth Resistance: A Definitive Guide.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:48 PM
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I like to think that ass-to-mouth is always on the menu.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:40 PM
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Interesting. I tend to sway towards covertly telegraphing preselection and firing up the old hypergamy hamster rather than overtly addressing it. As in, I would rather my woman see other girls flirting with me to rattle her hamster rather than me telling her about how I've fucked other women. Honestly, I'm surprised by your results. That isn't to say they weren't real. I have no doubt that it worked. The fact that it did work though rattles my belief of how women perceive competition. I wasn't a…
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:12 PM
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All of the comments in that thread actually confirm the validity of game. I think the guys that are being called out either only read a couple of sentences about game and then tried to use them or are guys who know nothing about the community and are trying what they think "works." The most downvoted comment is actually the most insightful: "if he does it right you won't know." The guys that are good at PU will never be called out, because it will just appear natural. So actually it is a good th…
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 03:56 PM
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I walk like the Bushwhackers, and I'm Alpha as shit
/r/seduction27/12/12 09:34 PM
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I think the title of this post is misleading about what the true point of the article is. It should be titled "The Repercussions of Realizing Your SMV Too Late In Life" and should be given to every male when they graduate high school who thinks it is their duty to marry their high school (or even college) sweetheart. It seems like a good idea at the time, but 20 years later when their SMV has increased (career, money, better looks) and their wife's SMV has decreased (fat, saggy tits, wrinkled fa…
/r/TheRedPill27/12/12 05:45 PM
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Indeed, this natural protectiveness men have for women is part of the mechanism which leads to the feminine imperative. However, it is only part of the mechanism. The other side is vehement objection to reciprocity, and this very much does come from women. This is very interesting. We often blame women for adopting the female imperative, but IMO, it is just a conditioning they have learned from a very young age from the myriad of white knights and nice guys out there. Now the interesting part is…
/r/TheRedPill27/12/12 05:21 PM
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I do not intend to F-close with her. When I don't intend to f-close is usually when I end up f-closing. Funny how that works. Outcome independence is a wonderful thing...
/r/seduction27/12/12 04:56 PM
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You are 1/2 right. They can sense it because your body language is unconsciously displaying it. Think of it this way, you are in a relationship, thus no longer on the prowl. Your body language is now more relaxed and focused. You aren't eye-humping every girl that walks by. You are more focused on your friends or hobbies or whatever. Even on the bus, you are more focused on reading your book than looking for your next vagina to conquer. There are a million subtle things that your body is subcons…
/r/seduction24/12/12 07:17 AM
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I just feel like they're just not attracted to my kind and I end up stuck with the standard stereotype stigma. There's the problem right there. Right off the bat you are giving them more value than yourself. It has nothing to do with your approach, it has to do with your mentality before the approach. You are putting them on a pedestal and putting yourself in a qualifying position. Next time you approach, don't ask "why would these girls be interested in me?" Instead, you ask yourself "why would…
/r/seduction24/12/12 03:07 AM
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This issue in my eyes is that in most westernized countries, we have pushed feminism too far. Men have been taught that our natural instincts to be men are wrong and are taught to be "nice guys" in order to attract and secure a relationship with a woman. But while this modern feminist imperative is being taught to men, women are still looking for the inherently masculine qualities they have always looked for in men (aka. alpha/leader qualities). This has led to a generation of frustrated men not…
/r/TheRedPill23/12/12 11:31 PM
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Simple my friend: Being in a relationships is the ultimate outcome independence. In a relationship, you can approach any girl with the utmost confidence, because you are not worried about the outcome because you have guaranteed vagina back at your place. If you say something stupid, it doesn't matter cuz you were just doing it for fun, not for results. Now that you are single and the results matter, your brain is fucking with you. Just keep approaching, approaching, approaching and you'll show t…
/r/seduction23/12/12 10:16 PM
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I call it active listening. You have to listen to what she is say, not be thinking about what you are going to say next. So, when she is talking about something, pick up on the details of it. One sentence from her can spark 1000's of questions. Then pursue that. A couple of more sentence spark 1000's of more question. Hit a road block? Go back to what you were just talking about and ask a different question this time. Or refer back to her first statement and ask a question about that. Start to w…
/r/seduction21/12/12 11:05 PM
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Body language. Good signs: open body language, eye contact, body is facing towards you, actively responding to you (nodding, hand gestures), her touching you, smiling, touching her hair (though not always an indicator), her leaning in towards you. Bad sign: closed body language, her turning her body away from you, not actively engaged in the conversation, no eye contact, paying more attention to her phone than you, short responses, negative facial expressions. Should be pretty obvious. If she do…
/r/seduction21/12/12 10:04 PM
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This is so important. This comment should be an entirely separate post all in itself. When you move in with a girl, you give up your ability to leverage your SMV with other girls. She knows she "has you" exclusively and can leverage that against you. Moving in should be exclusive for fiances and wives.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 04:39 PM
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Ok, it was just ambiguous from your post if you were basing your decision based solely on your own need to spread your alpha seed or if you were basing it solely on her sexual past. It kind of sounds like you are trying to blame her past as an excuse for your desire to go out and plow 18 year olds. Nothing wrong with wanting to stay single and play the field. Just don't lie to yourself about why. Nothing to be ashamed of.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 04:17 PM
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I think you and I have way different views on The Red Pill. I just want to clear somethings up before I go any farther. Do you want to break up with her because you aren't interested in her any more? Or is it simply because you found out about her sexual history? You obviously liked her enough for you two to become close enough for her to move in. Do you think she is lying about her interest and reasons to like you? Do you think she is just into you for the money and security? Or once again, are…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 03:44 PM
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That's because you are leaving your fate up to other people inviting you. Take control of the situation and send out some texts to your friends/contacts and find out what they are doing. Or take the initiative and plan something yourself. Don't take it personally. Most people are in your boat. They are waiting for somebody to plan something for them. Be the leader. Take initiative.
/r/seduction20/12/12 06:20 PM
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I will edit based on your suggestions. Thanks for the input.
/r/seduction20/12/12 04:38 PM
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Haha, thanks for your thought out reply. A couple things, I agree, 'confirmable' was probably not the best word to use. I by no means think that you should go all stalkerish on the girl. I should have went into more detail as to what that meant. It is more go with your gut I guess. If it seems valid, then give her a chance, if it seems like a lie, then move on. I've actually had success with the 'wait of couple of minutes' to reply "exhausting exercise." Here's my text transcript: Her (7:23pm): …
/r/seduction20/12/12 04:27 PM
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In my experience, the tone of the text and the length of the text are the 2 greatest indicators of either continued interest or lost interest. When it is a long-winded & sincere text, it conveys interest in seeing you again. Women tend to send very short/curt/emotionless texts when they lose interest. If she sends a curt ambiguous text with an excuse and you get a chill in your bones, it is time to move on.
/r/seduction20/12/12 02:43 PM
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Read Tofutofu's guide on Giving Value It's a real eye opener on the subject.
/r/seduction20/12/12 02:27 PM
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Interesting. Can't say I've had too much experience with that. I'd probably put her on the back burner until she makes me more of a priority. 9 times out off 10 she will fall off the radar and be replaced by more interesting and more reliable girls I meet along the way. Why make someone a priority that doesn't make you one? There are millions of other girls out there that WANT your attention.
/r/seduction20/12/12 04:08 AM
3

It is more if she is giving a valid excuse. If she has a dog and says she has to take it to the vet. Yes, that is okay. But if she has cheerleading practice, but isn't on the cheer leading team, then she is obviously making it up. Look for contextual clues and go with your instinct.
/r/seduction20/12/12 03:48 AM
11

IMO, it is the ultimate sign of disinterest and disrespect. No need to pursue any farther. On to the next one.
/r/seduction20/12/12 03:43 AM
15

As in "I'm soooo sorry, I can't make it tonight. I just got a huge project at work. Can we reschedule for tomorrow or sunday?"
/r/seduction19/12/12 10:58 PM
2

Slow clap.... +10 points for boldness +10 points for randomness +30 points for free beer and chicken wings
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 07:37 PM
1

I like to play those games too. I was picking up a girl when the waitress asked if we were going to get another round. When she came back, I said to the girl "You've got this round, right?" The look on her face was priceless as she scrambled to find her wallet in her purse. (Of course, I then said that I was just joking, told her she could get the next round, and then proceeded to pay for the round). The game is just a game. It is funny to see what you can get away with when you are playing it.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 07:24 PM
5

Viva latinas!!! Hahaha. Your comments on dating black women are interesting. Do you think it has to do with the whole "Strong Black Mother" being passed down to their daughters? I also wonder if it has to do with (hopefully this doesn't come across as racist/ no offense to your ethnicity) the lack of father figures in your community. If there is a lack of a father figure (even a feminized one like in most white households) and very influential mother figures passing down biased information to th…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 07:21 PM
1

My facebook tactic is, when a girl I'm interested in requests my friendship on facebook, I don't accept it (I don't deny it, I just leave it in limbo). A few dates later she'll ask, "Why haven't you accepted my friendship on Facebook?" I say, "Because I want to get to know you in person, instead you instantly finding everything about me online." SPLOOSH. Instant panty moistener.
/r/seduction19/12/12 05:12 PM
7

Don't bring it up unless she brings it up. Continue your seduction like you would with any other girl. If she puts on the brakes and explicitly tells you it is because of JJ, do not try to qualify yourself to her. Instead, you "are just a hopeless romantic looking for a connection. Just because you didn't find it with JJ, does that mean it is impossible to have it with you (SS)? Are you (SS) going to deny something that may turn out to be something special because JJ and I tried but never found …
/r/seduction17/12/12 07:38 PM
20

I can't stop giggling to myself about the fruit cup line. I don't know why he decided to tell us about it, but I'm glad he did.
/r/seduction14/12/12 11:39 PM
3

Never tell a girl you're attracted to her. Show her that you are attracted to her. Through your actions. Put your arm around her, put your hand in the small of her back, hold hands, play with her hair, tease her, make her laugh, grab her ass, kiss her, fukk her. This is the most effective way to let your feelings be known. Explicitly telling her takes away the thrill of the chase for her. There's no mystery there. Women don't want this. They want to win your love. They don't want you to explicit…
/r/seduction14/12/12 11:06 PM
2

Exactly how I would have handled it.
/r/seduction14/12/12 10:36 PM
3

"I'm not interested in a relationship at this point in my life, but I'm still interested in hanging out with you doing what we've been doing. I hope this doesn't change how you feel about me but I understand if it does." This line is best delivered laying in bed after a good fukk session.
/r/seduction14/12/12 10:17 PM
2

"A soldier's weapon should not only be fired during times of war and lay idle during times of peace. He must keeps his skills sharpened in preparation for the next battle." -- A quote I just made up
/r/seduction14/12/12 10:09 PM
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Shit test. She wants to see how you react. The best "comeback" or reaction is no reaction at all. The worst response (what she is testing you for) is to either get butthurt about it, act beta (asking her is she wants to reschedule), or chase her harder (laying down a bunch of funny or quippy comeback lines). Don't jump through the hoop she is trying to make you jump through. Ignore it. Proceed with date as planned.
/r/seduction14/12/12 08:55 PM
1

If you want to convince yourself that you are unsuccessful with girls because of your height- go ahead. Nate Robinson shouldn't be in the NBA, because you don't see a lot of 5'9" guys playing in the NBA. Jim Abbott shouldn't have been able to pitch a no hitter, because you don't see a lot of one-armed men in MLB. Wes Welker shouldn't be setting team receiving records, because you don't see a lot of 5'9" 185lb receivers in the NFL. Does being short help with the ladies? NO. Will it stop you from …
/r/seduction13/12/12 09:35 PM
2

Neil Strauss is 5'6" AND bald.
/r/seduction13/12/12 09:18 PM
7

See Also: female hypergamy
/r/TheRedPill13/12/12 03:27 PM
2

What worked for me was washing my face ONCE every 12 hours. As in 7am and 7pm, NOT 7am and 11pm. Not really sure why, but every 12 hours instead of before bed and after waking up helped me immensely.
/r/seduction12/12/12 11:56 PM
3

Rollo is a wealth of information and his blog should be required reading for everyone in this sub.
/r/seduction12/12/12 08:35 PM
0

I see your point of view. I would just hate for a shy newbie to regress in their progress from reading such a post. The 2 biggest reasons for approach anxiety is fear of rejection and fear of embarrassment by others who see you get rejected. A newbie reading this guy's post will inevitably think "what if I appear to be 'creepy' like this guy when I approach?" and "what if other people who see me approaching girls like this laugh at me/ joke with their friends/ post stories on the internet?" What…
/r/seduction12/12/12 07:07 PM
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Haha.... guy gets bad mouthed on Seddit for approaching girls by a guy that wasn't approaching girls. Seddit... what have you become?
/r/seduction12/12/12 05:36 PM
5

Now, in my red pill life- this seems like pre-school or kindergarten level material. But, back in my blue pill life- reading this would have been like trying to understand advanced nuclear thermal dynamics. Understanding the female/male dynamic that Rollo is talking about here would answer 80% of the questions on Seddit. It's so simple, but the key is to understand each party's motivations. The female wants the attention, plain and simple. And she will string the guy along to get her attention f…
/r/TheRedPill11/12/12 11:40 PM
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Field reports should be used to judge someone's technique and results, not to pour judgement upon the OP. There is too much judgement scattered throughout the commenter's message. It makes too many assumptions about the guy's personality, values, and intentions of the community at large. On the other hand, Just_Another_PUA's comments farther down in the thread are some of the best insights I have read on seddit in months. He reserves his judgement and offers alternative strategies and point-of-v…
/r/TheRedPill11/12/12 07:01 PM
10

Reminds me of this scene from Swingers with Trent and the waitress: Trent: Baby, that was money! Tell me that wasn't money. Mike: That was so demeaning. Trent: She smiled, baby. Mike: I can't believe what an asshole you are. Trent: Did she, or did she not smile. Mike: She was smiling at what an asshole you are. Trent: She was smiling at how money I am, baby. But in the end Trent got the girl (and got a girl for Mike too). Best way to teach is by showing. If you get that waitress's number, it wil…
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 10:24 PM
2

We are kindred spirits my friend. Everything that you wrote applies to me as well. Shy introvert turned extrovert chasing women while chasing his demons as well, trying to prove to his virgin high school self he can land any woman. Here's where you can get tripped up chasing unicorns- you are still treating them differently than other (less attractive) girls. Something that I'm guilty of sometimes too (it's hard to shake something that's been ingrained in you for so long). Think of it this way, …
/r/seduction06/12/12 09:33 PM
8

First girl I ever approached in a bar, I opened with a stellar situational opener. We talked for awhile, I tried a little bit of kino, I turned kind of beta, she lost interest, I bailed. Lesson- escalate physically Next night, same situation, tried to escalate kino by palm reading her. I failed miserably because I had no idea what I was doing. Lesson- don't be something that is incongruent with who you are, it will show A couple of nights later, opened, escalated kino (my way, with what I was co…
/r/seduction06/12/12 08:16 PM
2

Would you allow that kind of disrespect if it came from an HB9? 8? 7? 6? She may be uber hot, but she still gets no special treatment in my book. Treat her like you would treat an HB7 if you don't want to fall into the "every other guy" category.
/r/seduction06/12/12 07:19 PM
1

Thanks for having me. I hope to contribute a lot to this subreddit as I feel seddit has been run over by a bunch of blue pillers looking for easy answers. I hope this places catches on enough to open up some advanced level discussions without being overrun by constant newbie complaints, the female imperative, and white knighters. Thanks for starting this.
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 06:47 PM
3

I know this post is over 2 weeks old, but it stokes a fire that burns inside of me. Online dating is just no place for men. The odds are stacked against us. It is a land where 6's turn into 10's and 10's turn into immortal goddesses. It just doesn't make sense for men. Why would an 8-10 use a dating site in the first place? They can get guys in the real world. That automatically disqualifies them as an option because they are either there just for the ego boost (see how many messages they can ge…
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 06:39 PM
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Before I get to my main point, I think I should point out (and you probably already realize, being an old dog like me) that very attractive or "stunning" women, sometimes just have very bland and uninteresting personalities. Why? Because they don't have to have interesting personalities. They never had to develop a sense of humor or good conversational skills because every guy in the world has adored them just because they were hot. So maybe she isn't responding to your jokes and you feel like y…
/r/seduction06/12/12 03:48 PM
21

Take her off the pedestal. When you are equals, you aren't afraid to steer the conversation whichever direction you want it to go.
/r/seduction05/12/12 08:48 PM
11

Ever get that feeling that after dating tons of girls that you are on the same date, having the same conversations, telling the same stories, making the same jokes, going through the same motions? Well, she probably does too. Are you taking her on the same kind of date every other guy out there has taken her on? Taking her to restaurants that every other guy has brought her to? Same dinner conversation all of those other guys talked about... job? school? what do you do for fun? Are you seeking h…
/r/seduction04/12/12 11:23 PM
1

The more you try to keep her, the more you are going to push her away. Giving her more attention is not the antidote, it is the cause of the illness. You can't "show" someone your value, because it will only come across as telegraphed and lower your value in her eyes. Instead, you need to invest in and work on what made her attracted to you in the first place. Hit the gym, focus on school/career, focus on becoming the master of your hobby or sport, create mystery by not being available all of th…
/r/seduction04/12/12 08:34 PM
3

My example was for when she is lying about having a boyfriend. My point was a girl isn't going to lie to you about having a boyfriend if she is in fact interested in you, as some sort of elaborate chick mind game. I agree with your point that sometimes it is a shit test, and if you brush it off, you may either have a chance to sleep with her, get her to break up with her boyfriend for you, or for you to be her #1 option if she breaks up with her boyfriend. Then again, sometimes what we think of …
/r/seduction03/12/12 11:58 PM
8

I think it all comes down to respect. Typical "nice guys" don't respect themselves, yet place too much importance/ respect/ effort on pleasing girls. The key to removing clinginess is re-calibrating the importance you give to women (taking them off the pedestal) and diverting that energy and attention towards yourself (inner game and self confidence).
/r/seduction03/12/12 09:19 PM
1

Here's where the misconception comes from: Jerks do better with women than nice guys. So a lot of guys assume they need to be jerks to get girls. There is some truth there, but it's not the whole picture. The ultimate level up is to become alpha (respect both yourself and women) and you get more girls than the jerks and the nice guys.
/r/seduction03/12/12 09:00 PM
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You're confusing the definition of an alpha male and a jerk: Nice guys don’t respect themselves, they bow down to women and their whims. Jerks don’t respect women, they have no regard for their feelings or needs. Alpha Males respect both themselves and women. They consider a woman’s needs, but never allow women to disrespect them nor do they put women on a pedestal.
/r/seduction03/12/12 08:36 PM
3

IMO, girls use the "I have a boyfriend" when (assuming she doesn't actually have a boyfriend): 80%- They want to end your interaction quickly (you approached and they aren't interested) 19%- They don't want to give out their number to you 1%- Shit test to see if you are a worthy- giving them time to see your reaction and how you handle the situation Usually the "boyfriend" line is given out in the first 2 - 90 minutes of the first interaction. I don't think girls really ever give out the "boyfri…
/r/seduction03/12/12 06:47 PM
14

I wake up everyday and realize the vagina fairy hasn't left a vagina under my pillow and the vagina stork hasn't dropped a vagina off on my doorstep. In all seriousness though, even if a woman is attracted to you, she isn't going to approach you. You are going to have to approach her. Ladies aren't going to fall into your lap. You have to go out there and approach, approach, approach. Don't wait for your destiny, go out there and CREATE your destiny. Seriously, go out there and approach 100 girl…
/r/seduction30/11/12 11:12 PM
95

Option 1: You: I went to Harvard. It's a very prestigious school. I'm really smart. Option 2: You: I went to clown college. It took me 7 years to graduate cuz I suck at making balloon animals. (Then back at your place after you seduced her, she sees your Harvard Diploma hanging on your wall) Her: Why didn't you tell me you went to Harvard? You: Oh that thing? They're basically giving those things away. Option 1: You: I'm a doctor. Doctors make a lot of money you know. Option 2: You: I'm Justin B…
/r/seduction30/11/12 07:28 PM
57

Never brag about yourself. You can never tell someone how awesome you are, you have to show them how awesome you are. If you try to build yourself up by bragging about your job/money/possesions, you will come across as a try-hard. But if she discovers these things about you on her own, she'll realize you must be high value because you don't brag about being high value.
/r/seduction30/11/12 04:05 PM
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Or she could have had a bad day at work, just got fired, cat just died, relative is sick, just broke up with her boyfriend, saw a sad episode of the Gilmore Girls, just had a fight with her best friend, doesn't feel pretty today, saw her ex-boyfriends relationship status on facebook, found out the Ronni and Sammy just broke up again, they were out of her favorite coffee at Starbucks..... She has shit going on in her life that is beyond your control. Maybe 99 out of 100 other times you approached…
/r/seduction30/11/12 03:52 PM
1

The social cues you receive from your interactions will let you know how you are doing. If the majority of reactions is positive, you are doing fine. If they are mostly negative, tweak your style. There will always be outlines that we can't control, but you will get a feeling if you are doing it right or wrong. Hone your skills when it is right, learn from it when it is wrong.
/r/seduction30/11/12 01:00 AM
3

You can't control what other people think of you. What you can control is how you present yourself to others. If you act creepy, people will think you are creepy. If you act arrogant, people will call you arrogant. I'm sure 1 out of 100 people I meet don't like me. Whatever their reason is, I can't control it. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm confident enough in myself that their opinion doesn't affect me. I'll instead focus my energy on the other 99 people. Most people's negative views …
/r/seduction30/11/12 12:35 AM
10

YOUR LEVEL OF SELF-WORTH IS DETERMINED BY YOU There isn't an international board of judges determining your level of worth. You achieve your level of awesomeness when you allow yourself to reach it. And who determines what that level is? (the answer is you). I decided that my level of awesomeness is going to be 99.5 out of 100 ( I didn't want to be greedy). And you know what, everyday feels awesome because I am at my maximum level of awesomeness because I determined what that level of awesomenes…
/r/seduction29/11/12 11:10 PM
15

Don't sleep with girls you work with (unless you are super young, work in a restaurant, or don't plan on working there for more than a couple of months). That being said, you know what HB8's usually have? Tons of HB8+ friends. So, what I would suggest, is befriend these hotties and use them as a conduit to meet their hottie friends. Now it becomes more of a social game. I have done it and it definitely works. I can give you more details if you are interested.
/r/seduction29/11/12 04:49 PM
4

There's the life of the party guy on one side of the room, entertaining everybody with his jokes and stories... and then there is the cool, confident, doesn't give a fuck what other people think guy on the other side of the room. Both can get laid. While Entertaining Guy is putting on a show, Cool Confident guy can approach any girl in the room, introduce himself, engage in interesting conversation, kino, tease, build comfort and rapport, escalate, and bounce the girl back to his place before En…
/r/seduction29/11/12 04:24 PM
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I understand your intent, and can't say I disagree with you. But I think my main point was, low hanging fruit to me is a woman that is interested in sex, not as Aaron Sleazy states "a woman who is obviously interested in sex with you." The difference being picking up a girl that is just interested in hooking up is easy... it could be you, or the guy next to you or any guy at the bar. No skill is needed to pick her up. That's not seduction. What I think you need to emphasize is picking up a girl …
/r/seduction28/11/12 08:02 PM
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Very nice write-up. My only concern is your wording in #4. your goal as a seducer is to find girls you can lay You should know the whole situation and if you could bang her within 5-10 minutes. The way you describe it, you are going around looking for ladies that are DTF. In my opinion, the point of seduction is to create attraction with any girl, not just bouncing around looking for a girl that is DTF. I don't think that fucking should be considered the end-all-be-all goal in seduction. I think…
/r/seduction28/11/12 06:02 PM
13

Every time somebody posts a success story, there are 10x's as many comments from people saying "you must be good looking" or "that could never work for me." The whole point of this subreddit is for people to share what worked for them and to explain how and why it worked. OP is sharing his success and giving insight on why it worked. Practice does help. Just like shooting 500 baskets everyday will make you a better basketball player. Instead of just automatically dismissing what he has said and …
/r/seduction28/11/12 03:34 PM
10

No worries about not getting their number that night. Not a big deal at all. If I were you, I'd roll into class and approach them like we had known each other for years. No awkwardness or shyness, just complete comfortability with each other. I'd just chit chat before class. After class, I would go for the always popular, "My friends and I are going to hit up a bar/concert/festival/fight club this friday night. It'd be awesome if you joined us. Give me you number and I'll send you the details." …
/r/seduction27/11/12 07:42 PM
2

My only advice for someone your age is (31 yr old here), booze should be a compliment to your evening, not your focus. Most guys your age (I was there once too) use booze to mask their insecurities and use it as the benchmark of a good time- as in a good night revolves around getting fucked up. Girls in their 30's have for the most part made it past the novelty of booze (don't get me wrong, 30 yr olds still love to booze it up, but our relationship with alcohol is different). Your main focus sho…
/r/seduction27/11/12 06:07 PM
3

Great field report bud- which has been rare around here lately. Question for you about the dinner portion of your night. I have pretty much removed dinner dates from my "first date experience" since I feel the lack of kino during the meals hurts the development of attraction when it is most crucial. How did you compensate for this on your date? I see there was kino before the date; was there any kino during? If so, what? Anything you could do to expand on that portion of the date would be awesom…
/r/seduction27/11/12 05:01 PM
10

Don't try to predict the outcome of your approach, or guess the outcome, or imagine what the outcome will be. Might be rejection, might be a connection, but you won't be able to predict it, so don't even burden yourself with it. That is the beauty of the 3-second rule, it doesn't give you time to predict the outcome, because by that point, you have already opened. The more you get in your head about it, the more you will convince yourself to chicken out. Don't think, just do.
/r/seduction21/11/12 10:23 PM
1

I'm with you on the avoiding eye contact to not get approached by girls I have no intentions from buying dances from. I've never sought out a stripper though. I always assumed the ones approaching me were more outgoing thus more likely to "please me." May try your approach though next time. Thanks for the insight.
/r/seduction21/11/12 06:56 PM
1

Interesting. Honest question here. When at a strip club, do you seek out/approach the girls you want dances from? Or do you choose the best ones that approach you? Just curious.
/r/seduction21/11/12 06:23 PM
3

I agree with derphurr, you should have stayed and made out with Lauren at the next smoke break. Don't just be content with getting her number and then trying to build attraction over text. Attraction builds in person. Mystery talks about strong and weak numbers. A strong number is when you get the digits after building lots of attraction and rapport. A weak number is just a number. Strong numbers rarely flake, weak numbers usually do. The good thing is though, she is new to the city and you are …
/r/seduction21/11/12 04:46 PM
6

Wow, great question! After about the 20th time, I was pretty annoyed and wanted to leave. We were all waiting for one guy who had been in the VIP area for a couple of hours to come back. I tried to be polite, but I basically told them that I was leaving/ out of money/ didn't want to waste their time/ gay/ girlfriend wouldn't let me get a lapdance. The last one is surprisingly effective (even though personally it's not true). I wouldn't say it was a bitch shield though.... although a couple of mo…
/r/seduction21/11/12 04:31 PM
6

One of the problems I see with the "so what's your story" line is that you are the one that opened the girl, and that question puts the burden on her to keep the conversation going. As in, you are expecting her to add value to the conversation instead of you bringing value to interaction. I say play around with the wording and try out a few variations and see what results you get from it. I don't think it is worth ditching all together, may just use it later on in the interaction once more rappo…
/r/seduction21/11/12 04:20 PM
2

I posted this in another comment, but I think studying the technique that people use to achieve their goal (whether it's men with sex or strippers with money) is more important than just the goal itself. While it may be different situations and not 100% transferrable, I think it is important to look at why somebody's technique is success, whether it is a salesman at the mall or a stripper at a club.
/r/seduction21/11/12 04:00 PM
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Sure. Mostly what I can remember is she approached from the side. She wasn't extremely aggressive, but wasn't passive either. She sat next to me at a 45 degree angle. When we were talking we had a lot in common, but she never really acknowledged it, but didn't ignore it either. I wasn't trying to qualify myself to her, but it almost seemed like she never validated me. All of the other strippers there agreed with me waaaaay too much, even when the shit I was saying to them was ridiculous. She on …
/r/seduction21/11/12 03:56 PM
1

No worries bud, I am not basing my game on this one experience. It was just a unique experience that most guys don't see themselves in and thought it would be amiss if I didn't attempt to use this opportunity to learn something. I do disagree that strippers are like waiters in the aspect that you are talking about. Waiters have a designated set of tables they are required to attend to. Strippers on the other hand, do not make money unless they approach. A shy stripper with approach anxiety does …
/r/seduction21/11/12 03:49 PM
9

Haha...yeah, it was Vegas, I was just fucking around. Not my normal everyday wear.
/r/seduction21/11/12 02:28 PM
41

Hahaha... That was literally her approach. She grabbed my junk and whispered that in my ear. SOLD!!!!! Of course, during the dance she kind of lived up to her promise, then gave me the classic up-sell, "I'll do even more if you go upstairs with me..." Meaning $100/ 15 minutes. Fuk that. I had craps to play.
/r/seduction20/11/12 10:13 PM
8

You made it too easy for her. She asked a question, you answered it. There wasn't any mystery or thrill of the chase for her. Never answer a girl's question directly. At least not on her first (or second or sometimes third attempt). Always, misdirect/ tease/ exaggerate the question she asks. When she asked if you were a foreigner, there was only one wrong answer (the truth). You could have redirected it "Why, are you?" Or teased "Only foreigners ask that question." Or exaggerated "Yes, my friend…
/r/seduction19/11/12 09:58 PM
1

As far as your text example, I started waiting to text because I didn't want to appear clingy. Then after sitting waiting 20 whole minutes to text, I realized that I was clingy and needy. Now I wait to text because I am busy with hobbies or reading or some other activity that I picked up because I wanted to improve myself. This subreddit changed the way I viewed myself and my relationship with women. I am no longer clingy or needy. Now I am confident and charasmatic and am involved in a lot of i…
/r/seduction16/11/12 11:33 PM
1

Good stuff man. Only thing I think I can contribute is have you looked at Vin DiCarlo's escalation ladder? From your description, it looks like you might have jumped too many rungs on the ladder from your light kino to kissing her. You had incidental touching of her back while dancing, but you didn't mention any overt touching, like arm around the waist while walking. That big of a leap might have been too much for her. Besides that, I think you are golden. Keep it up and keep up the great field…
/r/seduction16/11/12 10:42 PM
1

Hahaha, awesome. I would draw as much attention to it as possible. Keeping pointing it out and talking about how sexy it is.
/r/seduction16/11/12 03:45 PM
1

So what you're saying is, give the other guy confidence and charisma and he will be able to attract hot women? Yes, I agree with you 100%.
/r/seduction16/11/12 03:20 PM
8

I should have mentioned that, Roommate #1 had impeccable style. Definitely helped his game and added to his confident aura. Roommate #2 had no fashion sense.
/r/seduction15/11/12 11:34 PM
5

Not as much as you think it does. Sure, it may factor into the equation, but it is not the driving force. Confidence, charisma, personality... these are the top of the list. Your looks are waaaaaaay down on the list of what she is looking for.
/r/seduction15/11/12 11:30 PM
2

Silence is only awkward if you make it awkward. If you are confident in yourself, you don't care if there is a silence. No need to panic to fill that void. You are comfortable enough to let the silence linger. If you panic, she'll sense your discomfort and it will make her uncomfortable. Now you are both uncomfortable. Bad shit. Instead, go with it, give he a knowing smirk, and reengage conversation gracefully.
/r/seduction15/11/12 11:23 PM
4

Dammit- Look in your phone and see how many times you have texted your friends to go out and drink. Look in your phone and look to see how many girls you have texted and shown interest in. The love you make is equal to the love you take. As far as your friends getting married, that's awesome, you are the guy that all of their wives want to hook up with their single friends. Or go out and find some single friends to sarge with. Or go sarge solo. The vagina stork ain't going to drop the vag off at…
/r/seduction15/11/12 05:57 PM
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LOOKS DON'T MATTER!!!!! Now that we got that out of the way, consider this: Women are emotional creatures. They make decisions based on how they feel, not based on logic. The interactions between this girl and your friend elicited emotions. Your conversations were too informational and elicited no emotions. It's not what you talk about, it how you talk about it. An example: Do you travel? Where have you been? What was the weather like there? What attractions did you visit? <--- Informational, lo…
/r/seduction15/11/12 04:12 PM
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Excellent point. Learn from the experience: what you did right, what you did wrong, what you would change next time.... then MOVE ON. Move forward. Don't dwell on it and let it hold you back. Only let it propel you forward.
/r/seduction14/11/12 05:09 PM
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To me, supplicating behavior is when you put her interests in front of yours, when you put her on a pedestal, when you inflate her ego, or when you pander to her for her approval. It is making her the "prize" instead of making yourself the prize. I think you inherently know when you are chasing a girl more than she is chasing you. You get frustrated. You think you need to game her more. You put more effort in, which causes her to gain more power of the situation and she loses attraction to you. …
/r/seduction14/11/12 04:30 PM
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Neediness in a relationship is a downward spiral. You become needy. This is a turn off to women. She loses attraction to you and causes her to withdraw. Then in turn makes you more needy. Turning her off more. She loses more attraction and withdraws more. Rinse. Repeat until you find yourself single again. At least you are now aware of your flaws and have something to focus on and work on. Good luck my friend.
/r/seduction14/11/12 04:11 PM
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Compliment only when you want to. Don't compliment when you don't want to. Never give a compliment when it is fished for. Always compliment when it is sincere and genuine.
/r/seduction14/11/12 04:07 PM
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Great field report. You didn't get the girl, but you got a lot of great experience, which in the long run will more beneficial to you.
/r/seduction14/11/12 04:00 PM
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You are confused on why each gender wants or needs sex. Biologically speaking, the reason a man wants to fukk every girl he sees is because he wants to ensure that he passes his genes on (this may not be your reason, but it is nature's reason). Thus he plants his seed in as many fields as possible. Women on the other hand, can't do that. They must be selective about their mates. They want to create the healthiest offspring with the most likelihood of survival, so they must choose their mate care…
/r/seduction14/11/12 03:44 PM
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It is obvious to me from your writing that you have game. You have it and you know that it works. The next step in elevating your game is to figure out why it works. Think about attraction. Right now you are using game to show her you are attracted to her. The next step is to use game to make her attracted to you. You can gain outside perspective by looking at what you typed. she was kinoing and complimented you when you were chasing other girls. She was pulling away when you were obviously purs…
/r/seduction13/11/12 09:51 AM
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Right now she is trying to figure you out. She sees you sarging other girls but at the same time, she sees you supplicating to her (sorry, but in that text you are chasing her). So she is trying to sniff you out to see if you are the real deal. So she has put you in the situation where you either (1) blast past all of her shit tests and you make a strong move to get her (what she wants) or (2) you become a beta orbiter and shower her with attention (also not a bad option for her ego). Either way…
/r/seduction12/11/12 10:30 PM
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Trinity: What's he doing? Morpheus: He's beginning to believe.
/r/seduction07/11/12 06:59 PM
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It's a great movie that everyone here should watch.
/r/seduction06/11/12 03:29 PM
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You gotta slay those demons man. Like I said, there are two types of attributes you have, things you can change and things you can't change. Working on things you can change is easy- hit the gym, get a haircut, work on your style. But those are all cosmetic, what you need to do is look at the things you can't change and accept them. This is the hand you were dealt- You decided how to play the cards. Now you can either fold them because you are scared, or you can continue to play/ go all in. Ther…
/r/seduction06/11/12 03:28 PM
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I feel for you man, I've been in your shoes and it is tough. Time to call in the big guns and see a professional. I assure you, it is a life changing step.
/r/seduction06/11/12 03:18 PM
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Good question. I think a total change can take months if not years for everything to click. BUT, the effects of positive thinking can be felt within hours/days. It is the first step, but it is a HUGE first step. Things start to fall into place once you adopt positive thinking and realize you deserve happiness. EDIT: Going from 0 confidence to 100% confidence can take some time. But going from 0 to 50 or 75% confidence can be done in hours/days. Like I said, that first step is huge. Hope that cle…
/r/seduction06/11/12 03:15 PM
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I also wanted to add that you are only in limbo because you put yourself there. You hold the power to progress the relation. You must remove your fear and escalate. I'm getting preach now, but you control your destiny. Go forth and conquer.
/r/seduction06/11/12 05:57 AM
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Always. Assume. Attraction. Until she blatantly says "I am not interested," you proceed like she has never been interested in anyone more than she is with you right now. Now, since we assume she is head over heels for you; flirt, tease, kino, escalate.
/r/seduction06/11/12 05:47 AM
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This is exactly the negative thinking I am talking about. It creates a negative environment around and it keeps spiraling and growing. The change starts with you. First step is to get a positive frame. Once that is in place, use what you learn here and apply it in real life. We're here to help and tell you it is possible.
/r/seduction06/11/12 05:18 AM
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Congrats on overcoming your approach anxiety. That is a huge step. The problem I see with your game is that there is no mystery to it. Women can smell your agenda a mile away. Your direct lines are taking away from making an actual connection with the girl. The girl is probably thinking "I'm probably the 50th girl he has said this to at this party. I'm not special to him, I'm just a number. Next." The girls on the street probably assume you are just a drunk guy that is saying this to every girl …
/r/seduction02/11/12 02:52 PM
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They may have other men in their life... but they don't have YOU. Why wouldn't they want you in their life? Your presence is a gift everyone should experience. Give them the gift that is you.
/r/seduction01/11/12 03:30 PM
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This doesn't need to be used with just your name (although it obviously does work as OP has shown). It should be used all the time to avoid going into "interview mode." "What do you do for a living?" "I work in sales." <---boring "What do you do for a living?" "Why don't you guess what I do." <--- gives you something to talk/joke/tease about when she gets it wrong and builds rapport. For example, if she says she thinks you are an accountant: "You think I look like an accountant? Why, because you…
/r/seduction19/10/12 05:10 PM
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I say tweak the reason why you are setting the standards to begin with. Right now, you are setting your actions to convey to her how you want to be seen. I say, set your actions to line up with what you want. Don't qualify yourself to her, she needs to qualify herself to you. You are the prize to be won, not her. It sounds confusing, but here's an example using the girl from the mall. Right now you are thinking "I want her to find me attractive, but want to project I don't put up with flakiness.…
/r/seduction19/10/12 04:58 PM
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TofuTofu, I just want you to know that your post: ON GIVING VALUE: Why you're not being invited out to do cool things - completely changed the way I perceived social interactions. I went from being a value taker to being a value giver by employing the strategies you listed. I now no longer wait to be asked to do things, and when I am asked, I make sure that I give value. I am a leader in my social circles and have you to thank. This is definitely a must read for everybody and I hope it gets inco…
/r/seduction19/10/12 04:26 PM
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Yup. You are the one that is guiding the conversation. If you see it start to veer into interview mode, you are the one that has to recognize that and move it out. Call it out "Well, now that the interview is over, let's move on to something fun." Then kino, joke, steer conversation where you want it to go.
/r/seduction18/10/12 10:21 PM
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If you aren't a magician, I wouldn't open with a magic trick- it comes across as a little too try-hardy, too gamey. It is hard to transition into a normal pick up after something so cheesy. Just go with a simple introduction. Later on while you are in set, if you do a little silly magic trick, now that would be money, it would build attraction and give you something to joke/tease/talk about later on. Nothing to serious or complicated, just something light and fun. Just my 2 cents, but if it work…
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:34 PM
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I may be off on my assumption, but it seems you are a little too outcome dependent (as in the outcome being the SNL). It may be possible that you are in your set, doing good, then you push the same night fuck fest a little too hard. Women can smell an agenda. If it feels forced, the woman will back off. If it feels natural, she won't even see it coming. Focus on building the attraction- through humor, kino, conversation, inside jokes... everything that you are good at. Let the attraction culmina…
/r/seduction18/10/12 03:06 PM
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Where do you think these negative thoughts stem from? Past relationships? Parents? High school? Try to pin point where these thoughts are being born from and tackle them. Sounds like there is something from your past that is hurting you current and future self that you need to come to terms with.
/r/seduction17/10/12 11:26 PM
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It's often referred to around here as "fake it 'til you make it." In this application it basically means you change the way you think about something and after a while of thinking that way, you'll start to believe it. You may not believe it at first, but the more you reinforce it to yourself, the more you believe. Eventually, it will be engrained in you. Best of luck to you sir.
/r/seduction17/10/12 11:02 PM
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You gotta change your way of thinking around brother! You just listed a shit ton of positive qualities about yourself. That is something to be proud of. You need to remind yourself of the positive things everyday. Change your way of thinking from negative to positive. Tell yourself that you are awesome. Tell yourself you deserve good things. Tell yourself that you are worthy. Everyday. Eventually you will accept it and it will become a part of you.
/r/seduction17/10/12 10:42 PM
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Agreed. My biggest success came from when I stopped asking myself "why would a woman want to be with me" to "why wouldn't a woman want to be with me." If you can think of why a woman wouldn't want to be with you, then focus on improving that area of your life. Make yourself into the best version of yourself you can be. Then there will be no reason why a woman wouldn't want to be with you.
/r/seduction17/10/12 09:22 PM
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I completely agree with you. You are the man, you should be moving things forward. You should be leading the interaction. By "chase" I meant more of her emotional investment in you later on once she has gotten to know you.
/r/seduction11/09/12 08:00 PM
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The point is to get her to chase you, but that is only after you open her. 99% of girls aren't going to open you, and waiting around in a bar for a girl to open you isn't going to work. So you have to make the move, open her, show her your personality... and only then will she chase you.
/r/seduction11/09/12 07:15 PM
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Congratulations my friend. You took a step that a lot of guys never take. You have to power through and keep approaching. You will learn something from each approach. This time you learned that you need to project your voice more and need to continue the conversation. So... on your next approach, you will have that taken care of. Then you will learn what your next tripping point is. And then you can fix that and so on and so on... You'll literally get better with each one. It isn't going to happ…
/r/seduction07/09/12 09:14 PM
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Losing weight isn't the magic ticket that is going to make you successful with women. And it isn't what is holding you back right now. It is your mental state. There are tons of attractive, muscular guys out there that are unsuccessful with women because they don't have confidence and can't hold a conversation. What you need is a 2 pronged attack on improving yourself- Yes, you should hit the gym, improve your nutritional, and work on your style. It will help with your confidence, but this isn't…
/r/seduction31/08/12 06:10 PM
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