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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:38 AM
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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:48 AM
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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:20 AM
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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:33 AM
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Question For WomenTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:32 AM
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DiscussionTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:28 AM
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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:01 AM
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DebateTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:54 PM
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Question For WomenTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:20 AM
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DiscussionTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:34 AM
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Question For WomenTotal_Yankee_Death/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:47 PM
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I don't care what one man from 1945 had to say. Things have demonstratably deterioted for men in the past decade or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:38 AM
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Women were "financially emancipated" to do shit jobs because a lot had little work history or marketable skills. As stated in my post, the earnings gap has also plateaued, so to the extent that it was happening in the past it likely hasn't changed all that much in the past few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:37 AM
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And frankly there is data besides OLD, according to this research paper, about 30% of adult men in 2018 reported no partnered sexual activites in the past year compared to around 20% in 2009: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604196/#:~:text=Frequencies%20of%20LCA%20Class%20membership%20for%20adolescent%20and%20adult%20participants%20in%20the%202009%20and%202018%20National%20Survey%20of%20Sexual%20Health%20and%20Relationships%20waves%2C%20presented%20by%20gender (Class 1 means no par…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:35 AM
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Why should online dating be excluded? According to research from Stanford(that has been discussed here extensively) it is the most common way couples meet now. And that's not even including less commited relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:20 AM
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American women have overwhelmingly been financially emancipated since at least the 90s. Female labor force participation and the earnings gap have both plateaued.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 11:56 PM
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You can put whatever you want in a prenup, doesn't mean courts will enforce it. And they almost never enforce any lifestyle/interpersonal related clauses in prenups like the ones you suggested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:27 PM
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16% is not a "lot" in any sense of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:19 PM
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Those things generally aren't considered enforceable even if you put them in a prenup, at least not in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:00 PM
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I think women who make 40-60k wanting a man who makes at least as much as them have r more is completely reasonable. Reason: economy sucks shits expensive, and if you don’t wanna be on the struggle bus you need a reasonable HHI or at the very least not live in a HCOL area. Being a parasite is "reasonable" just because the economy sucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:59 PM
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Your sample is far from representative. According to Pew, husbands are the sole or clear primary(>60% of household income) earner in around half of US marriages, even for childless married coupples. https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2023/04/st_2023.04.13_breadwinner-wives_03.png
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:57 PM
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Striking out "animal" is the important part here. Humans are different. Humans are animals. Animals are diverse, but humans are not fundamentally different from any other animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:41 PM
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Those arguments are all factually correct and I would bet money that you accept them, at least when it comes to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:35 PM
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All of those figures are from law enforcement data. Ironic considering how feminists like you consistently argue that most rapes aren't reported, that law enforrcement data underestimates the prevalence of rape, and rely on self-reported data when it comes to the prevalence of female victims. I wonder why those talking points go out the window when it's men in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:54 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:25 PM
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Your league for commitment is not the same as your league for sex. The sooner women understand that the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:24 PM
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It was a social media comment based off of a single video, he's clearly just glazing her lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:58 AM
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It kind of is, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 06:37 PM
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I don't think they "need" to be per se. But as I said, women interested in athletics want to be able to reasonably complete, so these organizations were created to fulfill that desire. It's the same reason why we don't have children competing against adults, why little league baseball exists, etc. Especially considering that women don't support women's sports (WNBA is a net negative and subsidized by the NBA) Well that's just one example. There are plenty of other women's sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 06:36 PM
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It really wouldn't be, women would get stomped in the vast majority of them. It would be boring for men who want to see high level competition, and demoralizing for women seeing their sex get annihilated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 06:32 PM
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IMO it's not "unfair" per se for MtF transsexuals to compete against women, it wouldn't be unfair for normal men to do so either. They're playing by the same rules and if males win it's because they're simply more athletic, the fact that their advantages are sex-related are irrelevant, it's no different than any other biological/genetic advantage. But the purpose of women's sports is to give women a chance to reasonably compete, and a chance at winning, given their physical disadvantages. Withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:24 PM
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There is no such thing as "objectively attractive". Beauty is a value judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:37 PM
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This subreddit is more about gender/ideological wars than male dating strategy. The self-identified RP guys may very well accept and/or practice all of the things you listed, except the last one obviously. But the intricacies of male dating strategy just aren't frequently discussed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:54 AM
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What if the person they accused was one of your close friends or family members? When it comes to rape, the burden of proof to me is on the rapist to prove they didn’t rape How would you expect them to prove that? If I was alone in a bedroom with someone, with no one watching, and I made up an accusation that they touched my penis against my will, how are they supposed to exonerate themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 03:21 AM
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Outcome of the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:59 AM
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This is only my second post so far. I'm just getting started.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:58 AM
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Whereas "I think our relationship has issues and we arent compatible sexually. If the situation doesnt improve I think it's best to break up" To me, the tone of this statement may be different but the substance is more or less the same. This would be universally understood to mean that they intend to break up if you keep refusing sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:57 AM
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If they admit to rape, they get charged. Admitting that the physical act of intercourse happened is not "admitting rape". The suspect may very well, and probably did, claim it was consensual. Women who have been given date rape drugs can’t remember, either, do you feel unconscious women can’t be raped I didn't say that, did I? But the jury needs to understand if and how they were influenced by alcohol/drugs at the time of the alleged incident. Because that can affect their memory and recollectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:54 AM
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"you have sex with me or I drop you off the side of the road at night/in a dangerous area/middle of nowhere where you cant get another ride" What about an ultimatum like "have sex with me or we're done"? Would you consider that coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:15 AM
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So 25,000+ rape kits can sit untested? In how many of these cases did the suspect admit to the physical act of intercourse, rendering DNA testing redundant? or how much she drank? This is absolutely relevant, if they were drunk at the time they may not have an accurate and complete recollection of the events.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:13 AM
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men are rape victims and false accusers too Considering how little public awareness there is of female-perpetrated sexual assault against men(well, except for statutory rape cases), I don't think an adult man would have much to gain from publicly accusing a woman of assaulting him. He's more likely to be laughed at. Also, an even bigger chunk of false accusations (not just of rape) are not as a result of intentional lying/deception - but as a result of fuzzy memory, mental illness or other facto…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:08 AM
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I have to agree with feminists here that not every victim wants to file a criminal complaint. Most probably don't. The entire process is definitely taxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:07 AM
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Like I think most people (hopefully) agree on some basic points like: I agree with basically everything here, unless by "coercion" you are including things like pestering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:05 AM
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average european. what, vaping isn't good enough for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:03 AM
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Do I think that it is in any way reasonable to call his action by the same word and punish with the same punishment as a stranger who intercepted a 16-year-old jogger in a dark alley and impregnated her against her will, while she was crying, trying to scratch his eyes out, and calling for mommy? - Absolutely not. I think this is a massive understatement. If all they did was "ask for sex twice"(unless you're leaving something out), there is absolutely nothing criminal and arguably nothing object…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:01 AM
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The same few topics involving "what do women like", "man or bear", household division of labor, etc. are getting stale. It's time to spice things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:59 AM
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I'm aware of that, but from what I've read monetary restitution is rare in sexual assault convictions. And if they were really after the bag, an lawsuit would be way easier due to the lower evidentiary burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:56 AM
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But at the end of the day I think 90% of people will make a judgement based on their relationship with the victim or the accused. I would be lying if I said this bias doesn't apply to me, but I do try my best to separate my personal attachments from judgement in interpersonal disputes between others. If a random girl I've met twice accuses a close male friend of mine who I trust, who's house I've been drink at, who I have been alone with for extended periods of time with etc Then yeah I'm believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:53 AM
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Monetary gain is probably only applicable in cases where they sue the accused. Regret is something I haven't considered, but given the reaction to my last post I should have. It seems plausible that a woman may feel extreme regret/upset after consensual sex, especially if they were intoxicated or verbally pressured, and label the encounter "rape". Even though this isn't aligned with the legal definitions of rape/SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:49 AM
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Gains are not necessarily financial. Someone may lie to get revenge, to cover up infidelity or premarital sex(especially in more conservative cultures), to gain an advantage in a custody dispute, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:44 AM
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atheist but from a religious family This is odd. Why does the second part matter? a smoker <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:38 AM
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but you clearly are concerned about how women view men who behave this way. Yes, I am concerned with people describing consensual sex as rape or sexual assault. It's different to merely dislike and look down on men who pursue drunk women, I don't care if you want to feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:51 PM
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.08 ACL I have never, ever, seen a single instance where a court or a statute used the blood alcohol limit for driving to determine questions of intoxication and sexual consent. It's irrelevant. If you have any examples I'd love to see them, but I really doubt that you do. Because everything you're saying is so blatantly incorrect, that you're either making this all up or you read it from some pop culture/feminist source. And you're conflating what they think counts as "rape" or "sexual assault"…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:44 PM
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You’re asking people not to judge you for certain actions just because they might be technically legal Where did I say this? Where did I even mention myself in this post? Not sure why you’d even want to have sex with women who don’t really want to have sex with you There are plenty of johns and sugar daddies on this planet, you should go ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:37 PM
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Legally someone over the legal limit What "legal limit"? But LEGALLY coercion is classified as a form of sexual assault with a broad definition of what that entails. Coercion can be at gunpoint or it can be gradually waring down your boundaries (groomer behavior in some contexts.) Can you cite any statute or case law that defines the latter as sexual assault, for the purposes of criminal law?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:33 PM
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that ignores the spirit of laws What is the "spirit of the law" here, to you? You cannot be considered to be making a free decision when drunk Why not? nor when being pressured into a decision. So long as you are reasonably able to decline, then why not? why do you want to have sex with someone who is anything less than 100% into it from a totally clear and sober-minded perspective Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:31 PM
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https://sprintlaw.co.uk/articles/can-a-minor-sign-a-contract/ Minors can sign written contracts but the contract is not legally binding against them, and they can void it if they want. Because they do not have full capacity to enter contracts. We're not talking about buying things, which we don't have this consent standard for You've got to be kidding me. Consent is what differentiates a purchase/sale from theft. but having sex when drunk is rape. It isn't. Legally or ethically, for reasons I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:59 PM
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Idk man, it seems pretty reasonable to me If their sexual partner was outwardly expressing consent then how could you conclude that they didn't care about consent? We still charge people with manslaughter even when they ‘didn’t mean to hurt anyone’. Manslaughter also requires a degree of mens rea, either recklessness(involuntary manslaughter) or intention to harm that unintentionally results in death(voluntary manslaughter). If say, you accidentally hit and kill a pedestrian while driving soberl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:03 AM
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2 and 4 are ridiculous, touching is a fairly standard part human behavior, especially in intimate contexts. Staring is as well. Their intent was to have sex - regardless of whether or not their ‘partner’ consented It's unreasonable to draw this conclusion, especially if the fearful partner outwardly communicated consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:10 AM
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I mean "sexual misconduct" is a very broad term, I don't think it should be introduced to this conversation. Cheating on your spouse is "sexual misconduct". Sleeping with your boss to try and get a promotion is "sexual misconduct".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:04 AM
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Evidently this is valid consent part is a highly contentious here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:02 AM
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I didn't think she would remove the obvious personal attacks anyways, I just wanted to call her out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:55 AM
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Because pressuring someone into having sex is still vile, deplorable behavior Did I say otherwise? you're actually trying to slightly change the definitions in your OP (e.g. You say "in the absence of force, threats of violence, or confinement, one can reasonably continue to refuse the requests and/or extricate themselves from the situation", but all of those things very much fall under the definition of sexual coercion). I don't necessarily have to accept the definitions you provided. Some dict…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:53 AM
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If he used his size as well as verbal/body language to y’know actually intimidate you Intimidation certainly doesn't require words, but it seems incredulous to suggest that size/strength alone can constitute "intimidation", if you do think that. Can you give an exaample of how a man might "intimidate" you with body language? You mean that a victim shouldn’t be able to escape their responsibility/accountability for the act. No, I meant that you being afraid at the time does not necessarily mean t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:40 AM
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I live in Canada, and the case law here aligns with what I described in my post. Judges have generally ruled that intoxicated people are capable of consenting to sex so long as they are cognizant of what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:57 AM
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it makes you look suspicious as fuck. Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:53 AM
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certain men who know this wouldn’t take advantage of the fact that they can use their size/body language I'm quite skinny and definitely weaker than the majority of men. I wonder if I could argue that any contract or exchange I enter into with a physically stronger man was actually "coerced" because of the disparity in strength. Correct, only in the sense that it would be a victim who had sex only because they were afraid. There’s no jail to get out of for them. You do know what a metaphor is, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:52 AM
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If they can discuss it then so can I. Unless you think there's something wrong with people understanding and discussing laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:49 AM
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Yes, it's difficult to argue because it's difficult to prove. It's difficult to argue because the legal bar is very high. You can't sign the contract correctly because you can't consent, that's the important feature here. No, disputes over the validity of a contract rarely hinge on "consent". There are many more conditions in addition to consent required for a legally valid contract such as capacity, consideration, conscionability. In the case of intoxication, a contract may be voided on the bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:40 AM
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That is coercion. She said yes but what was the alternative. Stranded on the side of the road with a possible bear but at least not raped. The "alternative" could be to either call a cab, hitchhike, or walk. And the pertinent question shouldn't be what the consequences would be for her, but rather whether he has a right to do what is threatening to do. In this case, I think the owner of a car has the right to decide who gets to ride in it. When a doctor charges you for cancer treatment, is he "c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:08 AM
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Generally speaking being drunk while signing will not void a contract, it's very difficult to successfully argue that in court. And contracts are fundamentally different from sexual encounters in that enforcement of the contract requires action from the state, and that is entirely at the discretion of the state. The state can refuse to enforce a contract for any reason, whether statutory(some types of contracts are defined by statute as legally unenforceable) or common law. And the legal bar for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:51 AM
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If you “agree” to have sex out of fear, that’s not consent If they did not act in a way that would reasonably be known to instill fear, then they would be justified in assuming that you were freely consenting. "I was afraid" is not a legal get-out-of-jail free card, nor should it be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:38 AM
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I know right? So many people calling me a rapist for discussing a legal/ethical topic(whose comments curiously remain up). I wonder if they'd say the same to a judge or a lawyer at a rape trial.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:51 AM
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there is something about someone trying to get you to do something you might not in a different state of mind. Why does it matter what they would have done had they been in a different state of mind? They aren't. Countless factors influence your cognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:48 AM
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At present there are a few legal gray areas around issues with considered informed consent What "gray areas"? I don't know of a single jurisdiction that defines sex in the absence of "informed consent" to be rape/SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:45 AM
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The women you’re talking about aren’t arguing that it’s a crime Plenty of people do mistakenly believe that it's a crime, actually. And if there’s an accepted legal framework that drunkenness does not equal consent From what I have read it's very unlikely to successfully a void a contract due to voluntary intoxication. And when it does happen it usually hinges on it being "unconscionable"(grossly unfair, so irrelevant to consent) or the intoxicated signee not understanding the terms of the contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:42 AM
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If I ply you with alcohol and have you sign a contract for instance, you will have recourse against me. The "recourse" would be limited to the courts opting to not enforce the contract. But no crime has been committed here, and if you make a transaction while you're drunk you're not going to get your money back. Its not universally accepted, but generally speaking many (most?) people believe that two drunk people having sex is not rape. This has to be one of the most ridiculous talking points. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 02:08 AM
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I don’t think it’s only “western progressive feminists” who find preying on drunk, unresponsive women to be creepy, problematic behavior. This post isn't about me, or what should and shouldn't be considered "creepy" or "problematic". And I never advocated for anything, nor did I argue that the behaviors described in the post aren't at all problematic. Stop trying to shift the goalposts. Also, your(western progressives) attitudes towards heterosexual activity are at the most extremely restrictive…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:57 AM
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Me when I accuse someone of being a rapist for discussing a legal and ethical topic:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:52 AM
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Me when I have no argument:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:50 AM
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You’re arguing that coercing drunk women almost to the point of actual rape is legally acceptable How can something be "almost rape"? The difference between rape and consensual sex can be as little as single word. If there are two sexual encounters that are otherwise identical, but in one encounter a party asks to stop and is ignored, that makes it rape. which should make a normal person feel gross *Which makes western progressive feminists feel gross. Why are you advocating for doing that? I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:49 AM
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Me when I make up random strawmans:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:45 AM
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How so? "Freely" does not mean "wisely", or "rationally", or "enthusiastically".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:45 AM
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If you're resorting to throwing personal attacks instead of addressing the substance of someone's point then you've already lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:42 AM
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There's is nothing "technically" about this, there are no "loopholes". If you freely agree to sex then it's not rape. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:40 AM
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The real questions are why do you want to have sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with you and why do you feel entitled not only to do No, it isn't, and this post isn't about me. but to wallow in the legal grey area? This is very much not a "gray area", legally speaking. As far as the legal systems in question are concerned, this is all fairly clear cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:37 AM
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"Sexual assault" is sometimes used as a euphemism for rape. Regardless, everything I said here is equally applicable to non-penetrative sexual acts. It's just that society pays substantially less attention to say, a drunk women making out with someone, vs. a drunk woman having intercourse with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:35 AM
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I think if you had to make about about how repeatedly pressuring drunk women into having sex with you isn’t, at best, kinda kinda creepy This post isn't about "creepy" behavior. This post is about what is and isn't sexual assault, from both a normative and a legal standpoint. Calling someone a "creep" is miles different from calling them a "rapist".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:31 AM
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If you're not going to contribute anything substantive then why bother commenting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:25 AM
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When incels tell you that you hurt them by not fucking them, you don't get to decide that you didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 01:22 AM
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Don’t have sex with women under the influence(this is legally rape) Me when I unintentionally spread misinformation due to a mental handicap: Dudes blindsided by accusations 9 times out of 10 probably did do something they shouldn’t have done. There is a very big gap between what men "shouldn't do" according to your values and behavior that meets the legal and ordinary definition of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:27 AM
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Nice victim-blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:26 AM
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As I said, false accusations rarely happen How would you know how often they happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:26 AM
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"Uber wealthy" people aren't the only people who pay settlements. Ordinary people may not be able to pay as much but it could still very well be a substantial amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:25 AM
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Why would anyone go through the violation of a rape kit for no reason? It's not any more of a "violation" than a routine visit to an OB-GYN. What would this person gain? To get revenge for something, to gain an upper hand in custody disputes, to conceal consensual infidelity or premarital intercourse, etc. Clearly you haven't given it any thought, probably because you don't want to. A conviction is hardly necessary for them to meet their goals. Merely being arrested for rape will ruin your life,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:23 AM
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I agree, but humans are inherently pro-social animals and most people will be affected by social shaming to some extent. Your expectations are unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:05 AM
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Age of consent is 14-16 in most of the western world but it's still rare for high school girls to date significantly(say, 5+ years) older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:03 AM
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This is so real but foids will still call men misogynists if they say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:56 PM
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Men do not take responsibility for their feelings Never once seen a man apologize for startling others, for destroying property, or for getting angry over their own issues. Neither I nor the OP expressed a desire for women to "take responsibility" for their feelings, or to consistently apologize and admit wrongdoing. Don't move the goalposts. As far as I'm concerned what they feel is none of my business. It becomes my business when those feelings materialize into actions or speech that attacks a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:44 PM
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What does this have to do with you equating not admitting fault with blaming others?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:50 PM
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I don't know what you're smoking, it really isn't...... Women in these comments really are providing examples for OP's point. You're grasping at straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:42 PM
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I’ve never seen a man take responsibility for lashing out or punching a wall. Not admitting fault/wrongdoing is not the same as assigning blame to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:35 PM
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How often do men say things like "look how angry you made me" or "are you happy with what you've done"(in reference to their anger) or "she was toxic because she made me angry all the time"? It's one thing to display emotions, it's another thing to treat your emotions as an accurate reflection of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:22 PM
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Can you provide any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:19 PM
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Are we just talking about women in this sub Reddit? Well I was, in that part. But the vast majority of women in the developed world have access to elective abortion. lots of women face really difficult choices Swallowing a pill doesn't seem very "difficult" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:15 AM
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Darwinian evolution was broadly accepted decades before DNA sequencing. And even today much of evolutionary science does not rely on genetics, because 1) DNA doesn't preserve well in the fossil record 2) We have a poor understanding of how most genes express themselves in the phenotype, especially in other animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:12 AM
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Evolutionary science is primarily concerned with common traits within a given clade.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:11 AM
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You used complexity of our cognition and reasoning as a cause for means that humans are not bound by simple instinct which was implied to be an example of your previous sentence. I just recognized your username now, in my experience you rarely participate in good faith and selectively quote people's responses. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:09 AM
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Observing birds using their beak to open nuts is far simpler Evolutionary biologists study substantially more complex behaviors as well, such as mating behaviors. There are so many factors influencing the behavior of modern humans. I don't disagree To suggest that you can narrow it down to one seems reductive. I never said that. By this logic, we shouldn’t be shocked or horrified by people committing infanticide. Honoestly I'm not, post-partum depression is insane. And at least where I live wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:04 AM
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No, you gave "humans are not bound by simple instinct" as a factor distinguishing humans from other animals. "Humans are so fundamentally different from every other animal that I'm not sure how you could have possibly missed it. The complexity of our cognition and reasoning means that humans are not bound by simple instinct" This is hardly exclusive to humans like you suggested. Dogs can be trained to do a great variety of things, gorillas have been taught sign language, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:53 AM
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he observed their behavior in nature. i.e. how the birds used their beaks. What evidence is evolutionary psychology based on? Observing human behavior and traits...... Also, why haven’t we talked about the second or fourth argument I made in my initial reply to this post? I don't think evolutionary science is normative. I'm not asking you to accept men abandoning their children. But it doesn't make sense to be shocked/horrified at it either. Because understanding the origin of human behavior int…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:47 AM
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No, evidently we aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:42 AM
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you think that evo psych is like physics, No, try again. The vast majority of human behaviors do not have sufficient studies done to actually claim a specific biological cause "Sufficient" by whose standard? Yours? Biology can not explain why different symptoms present for a mental illness, for example why one person with schizophrenia is significantly more paranoid than another or the cause of different delusions. Schizophrenia is not a common human behavioral trait, it's disordered behavior. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:39 AM
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Virtually all the women who post and comment here have access to abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:36 AM
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You can examine the fossil record But evolutionary biologists also speculate on the origin of traits when no such fossil record is known. Take Darwin's finches, he drew his conclusions just by looking at the feeding behaviors of the finches and the shapes of their beaks. And this extends to behavioral/cognitive traits too, even though brain tissue obviously doesn't fossilize. Therefore, human makes evolved to become more involved in child rearing than our other primate cousins. See what I just d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:35 AM
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Red pillers will smugly tell you how it's evolution that women are all using "beta" men for their money Actually yes, evolutionary theory does lend support to the idea that women are parasitical towards their mates. Because reproduction is incredibly costly for them compared to other female mammals. or how it's okay to abandon kids but get quite upset when it's pointed out that if they are unable to attract a partner, then their genes should not be passed on Evolutionary theory isn't normative. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:25 AM
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Unrelated but from a vegan perspective it’s comical that the carnists would also make this argument. Many other animals, especially mammals, also display an aversion to cannibalism. Few actively prey on their own kind. Example of you reaching for excuses as to why you should be able to abandon your hopefully hypothetical children. I'm not saying you should accept it, but you shouldn't be surprised either when men are less invested in children than you are. If you want a more sympathetic example,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:21 AM
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When evolutionary biologists speculate on the origins of traits in other animals, how are they "testing" their hypotheses? When Darwin drew his conclusions about the Galapagos finches, and wrote On The Origin of Species, how did he "test" his hypotheses? Evolutionary psychology is unfairly scrutinized by progressives compared to evolutionary biology broadly, for ideological reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:17 AM
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so directly to social and cultural behaviors This illustrating my point exactly. You choose to describe these behaviors as "social and cultural" to downplay how evolutionary pressures shaped those behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:15 AM
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“Evolutionary psychology” is usually totally unverifiable Is it less "verifiable" than evolutionary hypotheses for the origins of other traits? There are plenty of species where males DO help raise babies. Especially mammals that live in groups, which we evolved from. Males in other great apes are minimally involved in childcare. I think human males have generally been more involved with childcare compared to other great apes for sure, but still less than what social institutions demand of men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:12 AM
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It’s not that women have a hard time accepting it They do. After all why should women purposely choose a man who’s going to abandon them to raise children on their own when they can choose a man who won’t abandon them? Never said you should. But don't be surprised when men walk out on unwanted children. Honestly many of you would probably do the same if you didn't have access to abortion. It's pretty rich for y'all to criticize men for doing it when most of you will realistically never have to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:10 AM
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And evopsych is probably the least credible field of science (honestly surprised it hasn't been classified as a pseudoscience yet). Why is it less credible than any other subfield of evolutionary biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:08 AM
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however, that doesn’t mean some animalistic behaviour we have isn’t appalling or not fitted to modern society. I never said otherwise. But even merely accepting evolutionary explanations for many behaviors is anathema to many women. Rape is natural and practiced by many different species including animals, and if you think about it I don't know about "many", I've studied mating behaviors of a lot of animals(mainly birds and mammals) and the vast majority don't involve force, at least not habitua…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:04 AM
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I'm not saying that these religions were right, but it shows the desire of people to view themselves separately from animals whether it's true or not. It isn't gendered either I think it very much is, for one men are substantially more interested in science than women. And women are more religious than men, especially if you include new-age religious beliefs like astrology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:47 AM
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During most of our written history humans actively put themselves aside from animals. They were wrong. We can't be sure how people evolved behavior-wise, as we do not have enough information about human societies during prehistoric times. A lot of science isn't "certain", some might say that no scientific knowledge is truly "certain". That doesn't mean it's not useful. Paleoanthropologists know quite a lot about prehistoric societies from archaelogical evidence and research on extant hunter-gath…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:39 AM
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80k is a pretty good salary in most of the US. For reference the average full-time annual wage/salary earnings for women 25-34 is like 50k. So unless that man lives in a particularly high-income area, he substantially outearns most women around him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:04 AM
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But in Ukraine's situation, if everyone does that then they don't have a country. I already elaborated more in a top-level comment I posted here, maybe it got deleted. But frankly Ukraine was already a rotting corpse of a country prior to 2022. They had rock-bottom fertility(1.2) as a fairly low-income country(lower GDP per capita than Russia), I don't think there's any other country in the world like that. On top of that even before 2022 Ukraine had high emigration rates, even before the war ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:51 AM
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They support gender norms only when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:00 PM
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Isn't "inner-city" just a euphemism for "poor, urban, black Americans"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:59 PM
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If "reproductive rights"(distinct from bodily autonomy) includes the right to opt out of parenthood after conception, as many pro abortion groups argue, then why shouldn't men have this right as well? You're acting like men can't wear condoms or smth, And women can get an IUD, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:44 PM
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It would be more "equal" than one parent having absolutely no way to opt out of parenthood after conception. And most abortions today are medication abortions, all you do is swallow a pill. You make it see so dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:40 PM
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I see plenty of otherwise progressive men and women argue that. It seems like they just want an excuse for women to avoid mandatory military service.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:51 PM
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Some food for thought, if so many people argue that women's role in reproduction is so critically important that they should be exempt from mandatory military service, then by that logic why shouldn't women be forced to reproduce? Especially if a country has been depopulated by war.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:36 PM
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Your source: absolutely nothing Pretty much any interaction between a man and a woman? !!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 01:02 PM
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Source: "it came to me in a dream" Certainly when #killallmen went viral all those women weren't "coddling" anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 11:03 AM
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It's not racist in of itself but I'd wager it's correlated with other racist attitudes. And even if it's strictly because you don't find their features attractive, and not for other reasons, well that can still easily lead to racial bias because attractive people get treated better, in virtually all respects of life. Women call it "pretty privilege".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:13 AM
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The people advocating for "financial abortions" are also overwhelmingly pro-abortion, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:20 AM
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Can you provide any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:18 AM
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Great example. If many women are saying nasty things like "kill all men" or "I hate men"(they are), and those women who don't almost always rush to defend their peers(they do), then what incentive do we have to be kind or gracious towards them? You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:17 AM
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It would be because inevitably it fails According to the Guttmancher institute only a quarter of American women will ever have an abortion, so no, it's hardly "inevitable". Being told your body can be forced to be used as an incubator The government isn't forcing you to get pregnant. T
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 07:41 AM
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I think she's hot but she has a wide, robust, frame which many guys might find masculine and off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:06 AM
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I play squad with xoxols and they're very much the same in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:01 AM
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i think a man who is into a trans woman with a penis is more likely to be bi v a man who’s into a fully transitioned trans woman. Publicly saying this is very likely to get you cancelled for "transphobia" in current year.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:43 AM
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I wasn't talking about "you know who", I was talking about African leaders and polities, the ones sourcing the slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:40 AM
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yeah so you’re just proving my point that sexual orientation is based more on biological sex than gender or femme/masculine “qualities” I don't think you genuinely believe that sexual orientation is based on "biological sex", due to your trans-affirming attitudes. Those are not mutually exclusive. Facial hair is a masculine trait, breasts are a feminine trait, etc. I initially wanted to say that sexual orientation is based on attraction to masculine/feminine physical traits but I didn't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:37 AM
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I think banning abortion likely wouldn't be too disruptive with free universal contraception. And at least in the US there'd likely be enough infant adoption demand for those who get unlucky. It's a shame Republican states haven't gone ahead and implemented this, would have definitely helped mitigate the outcry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:32 AM
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I go outside and I see the same indignance from Africans here, in Canada. And it's especially amusing because most of them are recent immigrants from Africa, they're more likely to have slavers in their family tree than slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:27 AM
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A normal woman with some masculine traits is still recognizably female. Now, say we have a biological male who identifies as a woman, but hasn't yet undergone any feminizing procedures or treatment. It would be fair to say that any man who finds this person sexually attractive probably shouldn't be considered heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:08 AM
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Classifying sexual orientation merely based on the self-identification of the individuals one is attracted to is a very narrow-minded perspective. Rather, most sex researchers who study this topic would affirm that sexual orientation is based on attraction to masculine/feminine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:04 AM
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The fact that women end up doing more housework even with earning more The vast majority of married women do not outearn their husbands. Women who choose to hyperperfocus on this demographic are cherry picking. Only around half of married women with kids even work full-time(Table 5). justifies that higher earning women still want men who earn at least as much as them You don't need to "justify" your preferences and standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:58 AM
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Black Americans when you ask them who sold their ancestors to whitey: 🤬🤬🤬🤬
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:53 AM
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I only had it when I was little so I don't remember, but people say it's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 12:56 AM
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Eating human flesh is probably benign as long as you avoid the brain and spinal tissue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 12:54 AM
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I am waiting for the day a vegan asks me "would you eat a dog", only for me to answer "yes and I have 🗿" Chinese people are the vegan final boss frfr However, we need to eat meat in order to thrive and live healthy lives. As much as I hate to say this, no, you don't. Eggs/milk can provide all the animal-specific nutrients humans require, and even strict vegans can rely on nutritional supplementation. Humans were probably mostly carnivorous until the Neolithic revolution, but don't depend on meat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 12:46 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cbtpmc/teenage_girl_lured_her_exboyfriend_to_a_remote/ Thoughts on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 12:29 AM
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It really isn't, one is a factual observation, or at most advice. The other is blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:13 PM
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that people still struggle to maintain those foundational needs on a mass scale, it might not be immediate direct threat but it's constant stress and struggle Survival has virtually always been a constant struggle for humans, and all organisms. This is frankly the norm, and first-world comfort/security an incredible anomaly. This does not take away from the central role of reproduction in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:59 PM
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Can you even call it a "first-world" problem then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:55 PM
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People in warzones, extreme poverty etc don't live with long term thinking though, their immediate needs are so urgent and desperate that it eclipses all else. You're still speaking from a position of first world privilege. The vast majority of people on this planet are not so miserable and desperate as to be unconcerned with mating and reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:53 PM
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If I tell someone that they're more likely to be mugged if they're walking around the hood at night, is that assigning fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:49 PM
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You are claiming that without evidence, it's not true. Where did I say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:46 PM
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You are asking for evidence as you don't like women saying it Correct, women frequently claim this without evidence, even when I ask them, and I don't likee that. so prove me wrong In what respect? That some people, somewhere, do blame rape victims because of how they dressed? That seems obvious, I just think women exaggerate how common it is. As well as men's role in it, since most of the "victim-blaming" examples provided here so far involving ordinary, western people were by other women, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:43 PM
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You define fundamental parts of life as those necessary to the survival of the individual organism As someone who is interested in evolutionary biology, I don't see it that way. Rather, reproduction is arguably the fundamental aspect of life on earth. Reproductive success is what drives natural selection, and ultimately all the biodiversity on earth today. All of your traits evolved, at some point, to facilitate reproductive success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:39 PM
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That’s why rapists are rarely convicted Yes I'm aware. it’s not often there’s a witness and injuries can be written off as kinky/rough sex. This is not unreasonable. Most women are probably interested in "rough sex". what the motive for doing that if it’s untrue Revenge, custody disputes, attention-seeking, concealing premarital sex or infidelity(especially in more socially conservative circles). Take your pick. False accusations are a tiny minority of cases. How would anyone reasonably know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:34 PM
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Depends on a number of factors, especially self-defense and mutual combat, both of which are not relevant to sexual assault cases. I will say injuries are more compelling evidence for physical assault than "rape kits" are for sexual assault, because people do not frequently consent to physical fighting to the point of injury. And in the limited circumstances they do it's often fairly obvious they did, such as in contact sports or in a bar fight with third party witnesses. Whereas people do frequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:15 PM
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i'm saying we need to acknowledge that it is very rare for rapists to face any consequences I don't disagree there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:09 PM
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If you had actually bothered to thoroughly read my comments you would know that I have accepted some examples to be fairly relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:09 PM
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Countless factors could have, and likely did, play into their acquittal. If I were on a jury I would likely vote to acquit if all I had was complainant testimony and physical evidence of intercourse, regardless of what they were or weren't wearing at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:54 PM
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making the link and how is a casual relationship not blame Again, I already explained, you need to read. "Blame" implies some degree of wrongdoing, fault, mistakes, etc. You asked for evidence, not evidence that was recent or just wherever you are from I did, and I wasn't blaming or criticizing you I was just commenting that I don't find some of the examples particularly relevant. Please show me using your boundaries so a large-scale study in wherever you are from that shows people hold no bias …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:53 PM
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I don't think anyone would be surprised by this logic in Saudi Arabia, people here are mostly talking about western countries and especially the US. It's like when women here dismiss men's complaints about conscription on the basis that it's not happening in the US, when male conscription is in fact a thing in much of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:47 PM
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I don't think any of us can know with a reasonable degree of certainty how effective they are since jury deliberations are secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:45 PM
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Please explain to me what you think the above statement means. I already did. "It's merely affirming a perceived causal relationship between attire and likelihood of being assaulted, correctly or otherwise." The second one has 9 cases, which are written in the link you obviously didn't read. I just noticed them, there are some decent examples but several of them are from non-western countries. And the scientific study? I am looking through it right now, most of it seems tangentially related to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:44 PM
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Defense lawyers will try anything that they think could remotely help acquit their client. It's their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:34 PM
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The attitudes described in the first article do not sound like "blame" to me, since that implies some level of wrongdoing, fault, mistakes, etc. It's merely affirming a perceived causal relationship between attire and likelihood of being assaulted, correctly or otherwise. The second one is a criminal case from almost 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:25 PM
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I have. And the result was the same, a lot of complaining and not a lot of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:12 PM
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Context where they were going is not the hood it's often a nightclub. Should women be banned from nightclubs? I didn't say anything about banning people from anywhere, and that "context" is irrelevant to the point I'm making. Telling people it's wise to take certain reasonable precautions doesn't mean characterizing entire groups as dangerous. You're insane if you think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:52 PM
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What kind of logic is this? If I was in the hood I'd probably be more cautious, that doesn't' mean it's right to label most black people as violent criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:35 PM
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The vast majority of people, regardless of socioeconomic background, would be dissatisfied with a complete lack of sexual/romantic relationships in their lives. It is very much a fundamental part of life in the same way that eating or sleeping is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:01 PM
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Sounds like a textbook "first-world problem" to me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:43 PM
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I said “adulting.” In the context of employment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:10 PM
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If women aren't actually outperforming men then no, this isn't a "trend". It might be accurate to say that there's a "trend" of women becoming more successful in their own right but that's not what you said. And I'm not sure that's even the case given that the gender earnings gap has stagnated for the past 2 decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:31 PM
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You heard one side of the story. I'm sure if you talked to many self-identified incels they would insist that it's their face or height or race or whatever primarily responsible for their lack of success. Would you accept that at face value?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:28 PM
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I don't know what you're talking about. Men still consistently outearn women and have higher labor force participation rates, even among the childless(Table 5)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:57 AM
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I know many women who are low maintenance, happy go lucky, kind, considerate... but they happen to be financially successful… That last part is a buzzkill for many men. How would you, or them, know that their financial success is the primary reason why they're not successful dating? If all you have is a twitter thread and speculation based on personal anecdote, then no, it's not "fair" to say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:55 AM
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The only thing you'll understand is how to be a chauffeur, money lender or a mover. This is a good one lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:39 AM
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Women are excellent at emotionally supporting you Are they? How would you know? having friends of the opposite gender means you’ll have a better understanding of different perspectives and different needs/wants and how they may manifest It broadens your horizons, and this is especially if you like having deep or complex conversations, more often than not, women have given me a different pov than i’ve had before, and it has only added to my perspective. Most women are frankly retarded and there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:38 AM
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A combination of redpill c*ping and female victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:10 PM
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You're talking past me. I'm not going to waste any more time, have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:13 AM
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That's just sleep, I already said there were other factors like eating and fitness. As well as commuting, personal hygiene and beautification(makeup), etc. Classifying an activity as "leisure" is inherently highly subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:49 AM
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"Leisure" is subjective and many major daily activites(eating, sleeping, exercise) do not fall neatly into either category.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:55 AM
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I think they see what they want to see, these posts are rarely so detailed as to include substantive descriptions of what the wives do or don't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:53 AM
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I'm not talking about the wife(or husband) complaining, I'm talking about how other women react to declining marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:21 AM
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That's including housework. How about you actually read what the chart says? Men do substantially more paid work than women on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:18 AM
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almost equal number of work hours It really isn't....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:05 AM
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cooking their favourite meals/preping luch boxes I'm a better cook than the vast majority of girls my age that I know. going all out on their birthdays, christmas valentines day and other hollidays Birthdays and christmas are believable, valentines day not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:04 AM
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Do you think these women really want to create more work for themselves by doing it themselves? If they care enough about things being done a certain way then yeah. Women are significantly more neurotic and detail-oriented than men. but many are still not clean enough to eat off). This is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:18 AM
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Well not since I was "grown up". When I was in like middle school and out alone sometimes they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:04 AM
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What "redpillers" are you talking about? Can you give an example of an individual or organization saying both of these things? Yet then, the common complaint I also hear is that "picky Western women only want a man who can provide for them" and that men are overworked and there's a mental health crisis therefore women need to stop being gold diggers and start helping men more. This is something a self-identified "MRA", or "MGTOW", or the TRP subreddit user would say. None of which are traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:06 AM
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A woman has never held the door for me. Only other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:26 PM
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While all this may be true its worth noting that in most relationships if the man absolutely wants to, he can physically stop the woman and she cannot over power him and change those odds. And many times men will opt not to because they've been conditioned since birth to avoid using force against women, even in self-defense. Not to mention the legal risks he subjects himself to. Who do you think the cops will believe if she complains to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:18 AM
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Men here are consistently more willing to cite research to support their beliefs than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:17 AM
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A lot of females seem to have trouble accepting the prevalence of female-perpetrated sexual assault whenever I cite the statistics, because they don't think women can physically overpower men. And while this is true most of the time, that's not necessary for sexual assault. If you ignore someone's clear refusal that's sexual assault, and women often do just that. Men have been conditioned since birth to refrain from using force against women, and risk severe legal consequences for doing so, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:11 AM
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The CDC NISVS has found that rates of American men being "made-to-penetrate" within the past year are anywhere between 60-100% of the rates of American women being "raped", depending on the year. And this is with their flawed survey definitions that rely on "force" which is not a necessary component of SA, and which realistically women are far less likely to use. And I don't think IPV is a result of sexual desire, but for what it's worth there's a lot of research to suggest that women are as phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:06 AM
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Asking for evidence is "misogyny" now?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:59 AM
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I'm almost certainly younger than you are...... And women here really need to stop yapping if they can't or won't cite sources, the bare minimum really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:55 AM
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If it really is posted here constantly then linking it should be easy for you. Otherwise, well, a lot of Pew articles get posted here so I have no idea which one you are talking about. Also, if that data is on the actual prevalence of significant age gaps, that's not great evidence regarding attraction since there are other factors that inhibit these types of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:39 AM
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Very few younger women are sexually attracted to older men, it’s as niche as any fetish and like all fetishes: there is something problematic behind it deviations from the norm. Do you have any data to support this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:23 AM
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You think a woman desiring mutual sexual attraction is “dumb”? Wasting a man's time to leech off of him when you have no attraction to him whatsoever is dumb and selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 06:35 AM
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Who said they couldn't? Just because they could doesn't mean they should. Men already work more and contribute more to household finances in most marriages than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:33 PM
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Ah yes, the floor is made of floor.....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:33 PM
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whereas a properly cleaned penis will have neither Learn to read bucko
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:12 PM
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That's exactly what I'll do 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:00 PM
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I didn't say "bad", I just said there's a taste and odor. Regardless "bad" is subjective and IMO tasteless and odorless is far better than a dice roll.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:59 AM
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why are all these boomers here go play golf or something grandpa
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:58 AM
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enjoy your e-coli infection cuh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:41 AM
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ewwww
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:41 AM
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She's prolly old enough to be your mom......
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:40 AM
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looks like someone has a thing for blondies
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:38 AM
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That's where literal shit comes from, what do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:36 AM
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I would unironically rather suck a dick than put my mouth near their smelly roast beef lips
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:35 AM
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Eating pussy is not equivalent to sucking dick because most vulvas naturally have a taste and odor whereas a properly cleaned penis will have neither!!!!!! Not surprising given all the flaps and folds. Whereas a penis is just a smooth appendage so it's far easier to clean and sanitize thoroughly. 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️f*males won't be able to debunk this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:00 AM
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didnt recognize her. barely watched boruto that shit gay af
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:52 AM
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whos bottom right tf
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:51 AM
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and I'm sure if anyone did provide data on how much work they handle in their relationship, they'd probably get called a petty, score-keeping bitch I'm happy to "keep score" when analyzing these things. But whenever it comes finances women seem to start complaining in unison about "cheap men" and being "nickel and dimed".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:28 AM
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I decided to concentrate on the part you quoted, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:27 AM
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The only part of your excerpt related to the concept of a "mental load" is the part about parenting decisions, and this is all that is cited. About three-quarters of men and women make decisions about household management largely together. 23% of women, but only 2% of men, report making most parenting decisions. 23% is a far cry from a majority. I have to ask, did you even read the research paper in it's entierty? Or did you just click on a link that you think supported your point, glanced at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:54 AM
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No argument, as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:47 AM
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I'm not talking about the physical work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:43 AM
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The latter two about emotional support and that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the "mental load" associated with managing a household that women here love to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:41 AM
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Except you know there's no evidence How could I know when I haven't read every single published research paper on relationship dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:39 AM
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Asking for evidence is not the same as an accusation of lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:33 AM
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"rahh rahh women are evil witches and made our lives miserable, no i will not provide substantive evidence you just need to listen to my lived experience!!!" Do you see the problem with going down this road?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:33 AM
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How do you ‘prove’ ppls subjective mental experience?? That's what I'm asking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:26 AM
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By absolute numbers probably, as an unemployment rate I'm not sure. It's important to remember that in economic terms, "unemployment" only refers to those not employed who are actively looking for a job. If you're not working and not looking for a job then you're considered to be "not in the labor force", which is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:55 AM
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her intelligence This is not synonymous with formal education. her passions Not if those passions don't result in tangible skills, abilities, or achievement. or her values Evidently I do. See: elitist indoctrinated with leftist ideologies
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:52 AM
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Meanwhile women will continue to advance their careers Plenty of white collar careers have a plateau as well, not sure what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:50 AM
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Yes, older women tend to prioritize raising children over their careers. The closing of the "wage gap" has basically stagnated over the past two decades. I don't see it closing significantly more unless men are subject to intense pressure to do more housework and childcare(likely while still contributing the majority of household income) or sex-based affirmative action hiring grows substantially.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:48 AM
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Even the 'bad' humanities degrees lead to higher pay. Is the relationship necessarily causal? And as I said already, does this account for oppurtunity cost and the cost of tuition? Can you cite specific research? At the end of the day, in spite of women's greater educational achievement young men are still outearning them. And as for the debt, it tends to be less of a burden on women because they partner with men who substantially outearn them, and help pay off their debts, directly or indirectl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:03 PM
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And on a side-note it's amusing how some women are gathering degrees like Pokémon cards, wax on about how "educated" they are, and are so indignant that men don't value those degrees in a partner. Don't get me wrong, personally I do care about how much women earn and their financial contributions, but I really couldn't care less about your degrees themselves. All you're telling me by boasting about your degrees is that you're some combination of: elitist heavily indebted indoctrinated with lefti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:59 PM
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I've been treated like shit by ugly guys as well as hot ones Women here always parrot this line but statistically a hot guy is likely to have more and better options than just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 09:03 PM
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Nearly zero. Azov types are extremely few and far between. I said "historical", learn to read. During the Second World War the primary Ukrainian nationalist organization, the OUN, heavily collaborayed with the Nazis. They also committed ethnic cleansing against the Polish population in what is now western Ukraine. And to this day one of their leaders, Stepan Bandera, is still widely commemorated in Ukraine. There are statues of him, and streets named after him, and he was at one point posthumous…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:11 PM
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I'm definitely more sympathetic to Ukraine in the conflict, but the level of propaganda coming from western media is insane. They are ignoring, downplaying, or outright denying countless factors in the conflict: Historical associations between Ukrainian nationalist groups/figures and Nazi Germany, and reverence of them today Prevailing pro-Russian attitudes in Crimea and Donbass Russia viewing Ukrainian NATO aspirations as a provocation Tentative peace deals in 2022 thwarted by western politicia…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:13 AM
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I'm not sure they can physically tell you apart from the chinkier-looking turkic muslims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:46 AM
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u/EulenWatcher have u ever been called a чурка by a slav
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:20 AM
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endorses responding to a light shove with a knockout punch to the skull while her hands are down and her chin is up I never said that. Most men aren't Mike Tyson. Does not know grappling offers a million less violent ways to handle someone who's drunk and emotional Grappling is more difficult, and riskier, than just hitting someone. Women can scratch and bite.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:40 PM
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None of these photos really clearly show your face dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:33 PM
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In your experience how biased are cops against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:32 PM
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Did all of your exes really hit you first?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:21 PM
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Another thing is, yes, women generally are smaller and weaker and I do believe that’s a sound reason for this whole thing. Say a woman slaps you at a bar….what are you going to do? Knock her out? This logic is usually only ever quoted when it comes to fights between the sexes. If a short skinny guy starts wailing on a taller stronger guy and gets clocked, how many people do you think would be criticizing the bigger guy for a "disproportional response"? It will never be a fair fight. Everyday lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:05 PM
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Funny how you ignore half the electorate lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 09:14 PM
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I don’t actually think women are going around en masse saying that “looks don’t matter.” No, but women here regularly downplay the importance of appearance. Facial aesthetics are hard to quantify and measure, so let's use height as an example. Women here regularly insist that it doesn't matter that much, but I've seen a lot of research indicating that most women care a lot. For instance, this one found that when asked to provide a cutoff partner height, the mean was 5'9". That alone filters out …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 08:20 AM
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real deutsch gamer over here zamn
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:03 AM
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One bailed him out of jail jfl. and female redditors still claim incels get no play because they say mean things on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:02 AM
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what country?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:00 AM
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This isn't just about dating, widespread anger towards men as a whole resulting from chad-chasing harms us in all aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:38 PM
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I think the "problem" is when these women develop a hatred for men as a whole as a result of not being to secure chad's commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 01:16 PM
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Many of the purported benefits are with regards to STD transmission which are irrelevant to infants.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 01:32 AM
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I literally just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 02:24 AM
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I saw the comment you posted previously(why delete?), 1/3 of the studies in the meta analysis did not control for maternal age and the highest OR was like 1.38 for chromosomal disorders(38% higher compared to reference). For comparison, the risk of down syndrome for a 40yo mother is around 10x as much as a 30yo mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 02:24 AM
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But after 35 both men and women have fertility issues The latter is exponentially more severe and you're being misleading by leaving that out. Geriatric pregnancy(mother >35) and PCOS are both "fertility issues" but their nature and severity are totally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 01:53 AM
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Do you think linking pop science articles that don't really contradict what I'm saying is a compelling argument? Because it isn't. "However, in the subgroups of women <35 years, the LBRs were no different whether men were of < 35 (41.3%), 40-45 (40.8%) or > 55 (41.7%) years. Similar trend was observed in women aged 40-44 years: LBRs were 12.3%, 11.9%, and 17.4% in men aged <35, 40-44, and >55 year, respectively. Only in women aged 35-40 years, LBRs dropped from 32.8% in men aged <35 years down t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 01:39 AM
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You pulled these numbers out of your ass. According to most IVF research I've seen, when partner sex is controlled for women's fertility(measured by success rate) declines drastically as they age, by several times, whereas men's does not significantly change if at all. Physical aging depends on numerous factors, including genetics, lifestyle and yes, sex. If you marry a woman, you should love her body as she ages, the same way she loves you. Most marriages end in divorce and women initiate the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 01:19 AM
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I agree, appearance matters the most. But from the research I've seen agreeableness and sexual success are inversely correlated. All else being equal, douchebag chad will get more female attention than nice chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 05:52 AM
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Countless stereotypes exist, some that contradict one another, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:53 AM
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Did any of them drop a nuclear bomb? No? Exactly. The US killed a few hundred thousand Japanese civilians in their bombing campaign. The Japs murdered MILLIONS of civilians in Asia in their campaigns and occupations. What does that have to do with the atrocities and rape white people committed? They did that of their own free will. I'll spell it out for you then: were African kings and warlords not committing similar atrocities when they captured and sold slaves to European slave traders? Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:52 AM
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Yes, there is a great comparison to be made here actually! Prejudice is dangerous, especially if those people holding it certain positions of power. If a woman is fearful of and prejudiced towards men, what do you think might happen if she decides to become a police officer, and has to deal with men on a daily basis, many of whom will be dangerous, without it being obvious which ones? As if it's not happening already anyways(with cops of both sexes). Those cops who shot those black men were fear…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:38 AM
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Nearly every woman. Have you spoken to "nearly every woman"? Or polled a random, representative, sample of women? I’m pointing out that your comparison isn’t remotely the same. If you lived somewhere where half the population was black chances are you would had at least one subjectively fearful experience involving a black person. And more importantly, just because you were scared and "felt" that you were in danger does not mean that you actually were, or even that he did anything wrong. I'm sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:00 AM
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white people are the most violent and barbaric. Only a retard with no knowledge of history would say this. The Aztecs, Mongols, Arabs, Turks, and many more all say hello! Slavery Do you know who European slave traders in Africa bought their slaves from? the genocide of native Americans The vast majority died from old-world diseases(mainly smallpox), often before direct contact with whites. American and British explorers heading west found entire villages abandoned and survivors with the characte…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:52 AM
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Tell me how many of those victims who carried were 1/3 the size and strength of their perpetrators. What are you smoking? That's completely irrelevant when we're talking about guns. You don't need to be strong to carry and fire a handgun effectively, and no amount of muscle and fat will meaningfully protect you from a bullet. Also the median weight of American women is like 170lbs lol, compared to 200lbs for American men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:38 AM
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I wasn't talking about the rationality of women's fears. I was simply pointing out bringing up men's overall violence leaves out important, specific, gendered details. And what percentage of those assaults do you think happen in prison or the military? The resources I linked are compilations of research on female-perpetrated IPV and sexual violence. You would have known that if you had bothered to merely glance at them before responding. The vast majority of male IPV and sexual violence victims …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:30 AM
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Women of every race demonstrate violence against men. At substantial rates
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:22 AM
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The majority of people haven't experienced homicide at the hands of anyone. unless you were to count unborn humans being killed by their moms and abortion providers. And you're missing the point. You're choose to selectively acknowledge certain demographics' associations with violence and criminality, while ignoring and denying others associations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:19 AM
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i’d actually say it’s natural to see that race stat and feel threatened & take precautions from members of that race Perhaps it is natural, but I'd feel guilty treating an individual black person more coldly on that basis when they haven't done anything wrong, and aren't displaying behavioral traits strongly associated with criminality. do you think it’s a hopeless case against biology or do you think education/socialization/nurture can be improved to address crime rates? Genetics definitely pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:05 AM
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It's curious how you keep dodging the question. Do you or do you not think it's acceptable to profile individuals based on race, on the basis that some racial groups are substantially more likely to commit violence than others? Moreover, the FBI crime data I've seen also indicates that black women are similarly likely to be criminal as white men, and substantially more likely to be criminal than Asian men. Race in many cases is as strong of a predictor as sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:00 AM
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The statistics I have provided are very much correct and grounded in FBI data.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:55 AM
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By your logic it would also be reasonable to characterize African-Americans, as a whole, as "moronic cavemen" or "violent savages", because the crime data clearly demonstrates the same trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:23 AM
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Do you have any data to support your assertion? https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Photocopy/97099NCJRS.pdf This survey of incarcerated felons from 1985 found that a third reported every being scared off, wounded, or detained by an armed would-be victim. 2/3 reported that they knew other criminals who have experienced that. And back then carrying handguns for self-defense was substantially more legally restricted throughout the US. and far more often used to commit crimes. And they will be regardless…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:20 AM
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The vast majority of men have never killed anyone. Yes, men are violent savages and all statistics prove that. Statistics also show that African-Americans commit around half of all homicides in the United States despite making up just one seventh of the population. I wonder, by your logic what does this statistic prove?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:07 AM
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I am literally just parroting what I have heard countless women say. Never once have I witnessed women react positively to cringe tradcon masculinity influencers talking about "protecting them".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:04 AM
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In absolute numbers it's not that common at all, look into the CDC NISVS data. Probably, because women are overwhelmingly heterosexual, and even most self-identified "bisexuals" primarily date the opposite sex. In the absence of significant sexual/romantic interest between women there's just not much for sexual violence or IPV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:45 AM
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I'm not talking about criminal complaints, I'm talking about broader surveys on sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:42 AM
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How would you know that most dads are teaching their daughters that men are horrible? Why are you so fond of trying to speak for entire demographics?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:41 AM
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A man hit a girl in the face, with a brick, and not a single man, not even his friends, helped her. Why would I stick my neck out for a stranger? I know most women wouldn't in that scenario, they'd be crapping their pants. Women are strong and independent and they don't need us to protect them 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:38 AM
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African Americans are a sixth of the US population and commit half of all homicides.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:34 AM
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But whilst we are on the subject by your logic black women should fear you ALL I've seen some statistics indicate that black women are more likely to be criminal than white men. They're DEFINITELY more likely to be criminal than asian men. and most other races should HATE white people White people were far from the only ones who subjugated other groups in human history. Ask the Aztecs, Mongols, Arabs, Turks, etc. Anyways, that was all in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:34 AM
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Your personal social circle is not representative, and do not align with most data on sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:08 AM
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we are constantly warned about how horrible men are from the time we are children ?????? Who's "we"? Do you speak for all or most women? pretty much every woman has still experienced some sort of bad behavior from men that they wouldn’t from women Please, "bad behavior" to women can mean something as trivial as guy saying you have a nice ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:02 AM
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i really do think men would have a different perspective if a third super sex existed that committed a majority of serious violence against everyone else. Africans-Americans commit around half of all homicides in the United States despite making up only a sixth of the population. Just gonna put this out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:00 AM
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though I'm sure you're aware some violent nutbar Homeless NYC crackheads are about as far from representative of the average man as you can get. And I should add, women are more likely than men to oppose stricter policing, harsher criminal justice, and the carrying of guns for self defense. All things that could have curbed aggression like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 12:57 AM
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This is true, but the vast majority of male violence is directed towards other men and when you look at violence between the sexes, especially IPV and sexual violence(things feminists focus on and often portray as strongly gendered), there's a lot more parity. Women are definitely more likely be victimized by a man than another woman, but unfortunately they often ignore/downplay the fact that men are also quite likely to be victimized by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 12:49 AM
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If fearing men is "statistically valid" then so is fearing black people. I think some metrics indicate that black women are even more likely to be criminal than white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 12:46 AM
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It's niche and it's not like that will make it go away. They'll just cast older actors to do it, and women's appearance really doesn't change all that much from their late teens to mid 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 11:04 PM
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Women do not remotely deserve to be simped for. This is an exaggerated description of a "nice guy". Most people use and understand this term to mean a guy who is relatively agreeable, respectful, and inoffensive. Not someone who worships you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:55 AM
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Brain not fully developing until 25 is not infantilizing adults, it’s a fact This statement implies that the brain "fully develops" at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:16 AM
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You were talking about the brain as a whole, which is reasonably understood to include every part. Don't try to weasel out of this....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 05:23 AM
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The contents of your screenshot literally contradict everything you just said. That means that for some people, changes in the prefrontal cortex really might plateau around 25—but not for everyone. And the prefrontal cortex is just one area of the brain; researchers homed in on it because it’s a major player in coordinating “higher thought,” but other parts of the brain are also required for a behavior as complex as decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:08 AM
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It’s not saying that the brain stops developing earlier. I never claimed that. There is no switch at 25 years old. Yes, contrary to what you said originally: "Brain not fully developing until 25 is not infantilizing adults, it’s a fact."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:13 AM
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If a robber holds a gun to your head Are we talking about women being raped at gunpoint? No. Why bring it up? Deceit should be punished. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:05 AM
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it's a fact It really isn't. It's just another example of pop science being parroted by retarded normies to support their agenda, none of whom have actually bothered to look into the research.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:04 AM
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I think a lot of girls are recruited for porn earlier than 18 so to avoid that the age can be set to 21 And then it becomes "a lot of girls are recruited for porn earlier than 21 so it should be 25" 🙄 Either way it's pure speculation on your part it’s about shifting the focus of porn away from “barely legal” to just an adult. If you make it 21 then 21-24 year-olds are "barely legal".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:59 AM
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Young adults are the most criminal age demographic. And most young women are very much aware of their sexuality and what it can do for them......
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:57 AM
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thinks men's brains develop any quicker The opposite is true. In humans, females mature faster/earlier than males in basically every respect. Someone with agency does also have the right to not be treated badly This is unsubstantive because people disagree a lot on what constitutes "treating badly".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:55 AM
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Do you bring the other women to your home?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:46 PM
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I provided an argument for why breadwinning is objectively more closely associated with adulthood than housework, independent of gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:45 PM
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men spend more on themselves in a household Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:28 PM
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you have clearly never been around young children (young enough to not be in school) In my teens I was home all day, every day, with my mom and baby brother, because I did online school. I saw it first hand. Have you? Household labor is really not that time consuming in this day and age then it should be easy for men to do their share I never said it was a significant burden, or that men shouldn't do ANY housework. But it's perfectly reasonable for men who contribute more to household expenses t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:22 PM
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The overwhelming majority of Mothers work full time According to??? Also, in the US at least, "full-time" can mean as little 30 hours a week. The world ain't USA lol. In the majority of other developed countries there are Very few if any SAHM moms,the overwhelming majority of moms work ,and ths overwhelming majority of them full time I don't have any data on mothers specifically but overall female labor force participation in the US is similar to other developed western countries: https://gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:16 PM
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I don't know any SAHMs who spend significant time during the day doing fun things while kids play. 🤷‍♂️ its not safe Have you never heard of baby fences or a playpen? I mean obviously they can't go out but there's no reason they can't catch up on "the bachelor" or whatever it is they watch. You clearly haven't spent significant time with kids 4 and under. I literally grew up with one. I was home all day every day. Especially multiple kids 4 and under. Considering birth rates, that's not very com…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:11 PM
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All of the housework/childcare talk about men being immature boils down to men having more free time than women I'm not convinced that they do, depending on how you define "free time". Women who work full time just like their man still do more housework and childcare outside of work Do you have a source for this? And as I said, women with children only work an average of 21 hours a week, so frankly you're describing outliers. Most SAHM's I know are on duty from 7am-midnight EVERY SINGLE DAY. By …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:59 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "off". If their kid is sleeping or at preschool/school that's definitely time off. If their kid is playing with toys, watching TV, or just chilling in their crib, they can do something else as long as they're home. Mothers of young children need to be available and at home all the time and be ready to tend to their child, but arguably most of that time is down time. Household labor is really not that time consuming in this day and age considering the ubiquity of consu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:50 PM
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Yeah but none of that necessarily implies the controlling behaviors you describe. My mom was kinda a "boy mom" to me and she was fairly permissive as I got older.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:45 AM
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I think my point is that most reddit discussions on this topic I've seen here(and subreddits like RA or AITA) tend to primarily focus on housework and childcare, and downplay or outright ignore the paid work and financial provision men do in their analysis of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:44 AM
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From what I've seen on TT I always understood "boy mom" to merely refer to some combination of only having son(s), saying you prefer sons to daughters, or being "overly affectionate" to their son(s). It sounds like you're describing a whole different concept, even if there is overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:41 AM
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It's pure c*pe. Statistically the vast majority of men and women still have relationships and marriages with the opposite sex, even if they are having less/no kids. If you think this lifestyles is ideal all power to you, but don't deny the reality how isolated you are. If you listen to reddit foids hyping it up you'd think like most young Korean women are like this, which is a pipe dream. In the last election they split pretty evenly between the mainstream moderate right and left parties. And I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:35 AM
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It doesn't, I'm just stating my opinion on why one is worse than the other. And what looks like excess affection to you is perfectly acceptable in different times and cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:32 AM
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To most sane people, mildly pissing off other women with your remarks is less bad than having disdain for your own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 09:28 AM
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Taking care of a child is a 24/7 job It isn't....... You are not paying her If he's contributing more to expenses then she is being provided for. It doesn't matter if money changes hands or not. By your logic I should discount everything my parents provided for me and bought for me because it didn't involve money changing hands. Ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:55 AM
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Zero argument. Have you ever been responsible for caring for a baby or toddler, or even witnessed it day to day in your own household?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:48 AM
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Looking busy requires effort People here grossly exaggerate how much free time people have on the job, probably because people with more free time at work are more likely to spend time arguing on this forum. Childcare is not a 24/7 job, far from it. Babies sleep for most of the day and as they get older they are able to spend more time independently playing or watching TV or whatever, as long as you keep an eye on them. Source: 12 year younger little brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:36 AM
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Anyway, earning more money is not an excuse to not do adult house chores. Not in of itself. But if one person contributes more to household expenses and wealth then it's perfectly reasonable for them to expect the other to do more housework and childcare, to balance out their contributions. And most men do a fair amount of housework and childcare as well, just not as much as their wives. Enjoy paying child support! All the more reason for men to avoid marriage and having children with women.....…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:31 AM
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What I am saying is that the time of the higher earner is not more valuable In monetary terms it is, since each hour he works brings more income to the family compared to the other term. In moral terms, well I never suggested that one partner's leisure is inherently more important than the others. But I will say this. If the higher earner is expected to pay more towards shared expenses then it's perfectly reasonable for them to expect the lower earner to do more housework, to balance out their h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:18 AM
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bro has it GOOD damn do you rent or own your home? And the only thing she is forbiden to do is to bang another dude in the bed I sleep every night. What about outside your home? Is it like an open relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:06 AM
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I merely stated as a matter of fact that married men tend to outearn their wives, this creates financial dependence on her part. I did not deny the role that married women play in marriages. I'm not convinced that this gap is entirely attributable to childrearing, there is data to suggest that even in households without children husbands tend to substantially outearn wives(1, 2)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:55 AM
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I think one of the worst types of women is mothers that prioritize female chauvinism over their own sons. The type who teach their sons to put women on a pedestal and give and give without expecting much in return, under the guise of "respect". The type who would automatically side with his girlfriend if she came to her crying/complaining, without bothering to hear both sides of the story. The type whose immediate reaction would be to believe the accuser instead of standing by her son if he was …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:25 AM
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Your point is true coming from a guy that has done that in my teens and adulthood. Done what, if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:14 AM
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SAHM's job for the first years of the kid's life is 24/7 It isn't, because babies and toddlers sleep for most of the day. And even when they're awake you do not have to be tending to it 24/7, they can be doing any number of activities such as playing or watching TV, so long as you keep an eye on them. Or carrying it in one of those pouch things if it's really young. I have a substantially younger brother, I would know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:13 AM
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You are actually delusional citing a figure of 178k from some random website "salary.com" as your primary argument, that provides no explanation whatsoever for that figure. I could set up my own website claiming that SAHM should be valued at 20k a year and it would be just as authoritative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:09 AM
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You do not go into a relationship for monetary value and judge how much the other person brings home. This is delusional. Literally everyone does this, ESPECIALLY women. How many women do you think would be willing to date and marry a man who earns nothing, or even minimum wage?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:07 AM
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Normative is primarily a social science term, which is my particular area of expertise, and your use of it is nonsensical in that context. Given that you are addressing socsci topics, it is most reasonable to assume that's the way in which you meant it. And I'm a paleontologist because I play ARK. Give me a break, your claim of "expertise" is worthless here. But even if I agree to use some generic wiki definition like you are, your statement is a meaningless tautology. I was providing a definiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:03 AM
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Seems like you did considering how you keep yapping about a made up situation and resort to personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:51 AM
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In 55% of marriages, the husband is the sole or primary breadwinner. A majority, but a slim one. 48% of wives with at least a bachelor's make as much (33%) or more (19%) than their husbands. Where did you get these figures from?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:48 AM
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I disagree, a SAHM mom is much more free than the average 9-5 on-site job because you're constantly being monitored. Even if you have no work to do you have to make an effort to look busy. And IME(being at home with my mom and little brother) it's mostly just watching the kid while they do their own thing. My friend that makes 6 figures with 2 kids and a stay at home wife told us that although he doesn't think a stay at home mom is the hardest job like some people claim, it's sure as hell harder…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:22 AM
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"In most contexts, normative means 'relating to an evaluation or value judgment.'" It is not that the entire salary is $10-$12/ hour. "It’s important to note that housekeeping professionals actually earn an average of $11.84 an hour and childcare workers earn $10.18 an hour." So tell me what I'm missing? This is BLS data which is the gold-standard, the other article mostly cites random private websites like "housekeeper.com" and who knows where they're getting their figures from. And moreover, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:59 AM
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Married women work and earn substantially less than married man, especially those with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:26 AM
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Yes, being able to clean after yourself while taking care of others is a sign of maturity, more than daddy made me earn money at his company. The vast majority of people do not get cushy jobs at a company owned by their parents, why are you still yapping?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:24 AM
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You are mistaking my irritation for emotional upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:22 AM
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Per example, most of what I write here is from work Your experience does not necessarily represent the experience of most workers, especially since you're a woman and the most demanding jobs are dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:19 AM
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It is acknowledged. Not from what I've seen. It's simply not equal to the labor/ time/ effort put in by his partner. Value is normative. By any logical, reasonable metric, a cost benefit analysis will always show that a partner working a paid job full time (35-42 hours per week) is not contributing as much worth to the relationship as a partner doing the domestic labor and primary parenting. Period. Again, value is normative, but if you were peg the value of housework and childcare to the averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:16 AM
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but the woman has to parent and run household 24/7 Being a homemaker isn't a 24/7 job, far from it, especially once the kids are in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:07 AM
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and you don't go for underage girls (even if it's legal in some countries) This statement is self-contradictory, if they're at or above the age of consent in that country then they're not "underage".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:53 AM
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Why care about anything that doesn't directly and immediately affect us by your logic......
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:51 AM
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Speak for yourself cuh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:46 AM
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As OP has ,kind of rudely You can't blame me for having this 🤏 much patience for women who unironically don't read what is being posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:45 AM
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Doing work more closely associated with the house and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:32 AM
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I've been doing most of the cooking for me and my dad since I was 13 and my mom passed..... Why do women here always try to make things personal? Turns out when I'm talking about social norms it's not always applicable to myself......
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:29 AM
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you're less retarded and biased than like 99% of females on reddit i'm not talking about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:25 AM
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Go off king speak your truth 🗣️🗣️🗣️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:24 AM
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I've believed for a while now that women have evolved behavioral drives to try and extract as much as possible from their male sexual/romantic partners. They essentially see us as piggy banks, with the exception of their own sons. This was traditionally understandable(somewhat) given the evolutionary context, where raising human offspring required extreme maternal investment. But given that women now are having fewer(if any) children, and childrearing is substantially easier, their behavior is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:23 AM
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Great. Cook for everyone. Be an adult. Mom and dad fed you for most of your life. Return the favor. I, and I think most people, would not enjoy the average young adult's cooking...... Apprentices lived with the family taking them in and training them. That was only for those who desired a change in career, or who had no career to inherit. They had a lot of kids, sir. And a majority of them died before reaching adulthood. Most sons had to leave because only the eldest is inheriting anything. No, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:14 AM
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No shit the person working part time will take the lion’s share of housework and childcare. Right, and my point is that women frequently accuse men of immaturity if their wives do the vast majority of housework and childcare, completely ignoring how much paid work they do and how much income they bring in for the household. Also this is pretty important here, the data you referenced still shows almost 20% more leisure time for men among those recorded. Where does it say that? The largest differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:00 AM
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Maybe you were born into a rich family and daddy gave you a nice job. Right, and maybe a grown woman who does a lot of housework is still living at home and fully financially dependent on her parents. Why focus on the exceptions? It's bullshit. Working for money is by far the activity most strongly associated with adulthood. Legal adulthood in most places is literally defined by full, unrestricted, access to the labor force. Being able to be independent and take care of yourself is a sign of mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:54 AM
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If an unattractive man only chased stacy and complained about not being able to find anyone, they would be jumping over themselves to call him an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:47 AM
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But if mommy cleans your shirts and makes your dinner and lunch, you're a chump in my book. A young adult at home cooking separate meals for themselves would be highly impractical? The precedent was a man leaves home to seek his fortune and a woman waits for a man with a fortune he already sought to take her from his home. That's kind of how stuff went. No, it isn't. For the vast majority of sedentary human existence people travelled far less than they did today. Most would have lived and died i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:45 AM
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Yes they are. All relationships involve a degree of self-interest, conflict, negotiation, reciprocity, and compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:17 AM
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As I said "leisure" is subjective and there are many activities that do not clearly fall into either the "leisure" or "work" categories, such as eating, sleeping, working out, putting on makeup, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:16 AM
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I want her to be happy and find her person, but i also can't deal with the endless complaining when suprise! another chad ghosts her after 3 DMs. Well, hope OP can put up with the endless bitching then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:06 AM
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Try the 2023 stats and maybe don’t completely ignore and invalidate the unpaid work that women with children do… The article I linked included data on time spent doing housework and childcare, at the very top. Did you even look at it? That article only looks at employed individuals, it completely ignores SAHMs. "Leisure" is a highly subjective term that is irrelevant, since the relevant topic is what people contribute to their households. Per the article you linked married, employed, men and wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:04 AM
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They all are to some extent. When men make it harder and more costly for them to leave their partners by getting married, that increases the probability of them being abused or taken advantage of. It's common sense. I'd bet money that you wouldn't criticize a woman who doesn't want to get married because she doesn't trust men enough to give up her independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:59 AM
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I don't really care about OP's post itself, the reaction from the commenters is what's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:50 AM
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When men are living at home, it's rarely assumed they're taking care of someone and generally are assumed to behaving like man-children with all their food, groceries, laundry, and cleaning still being done by their parents. Essentially a failure to launch. If they're paying rent to their parents to keep taking care of those things that's more than fair, and perfectly responsible. There's also the historical precedent of the old gender norms involving women being with family until married wherea…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:25 AM
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She's probably trying to date in a higher financial bracket than her own "Gold digger" is only two words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:23 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/NYCbitcheswithtaste/comments/1bvwz8i/how_to_i_tell_my_friend_her_dating_standards_are/?sort=top delusional foid hivemind strikes again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:21 AM
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So is having armpit hair if you're female.....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:51 AM
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The speaker views neck beards and rednecks negatively, but not because of the beard or the sunburned neck. It is about attitude, lifestyle and world views that are commonly associated with the terms. They chose "neckbeard" for a reason, because they consider it to be an example of poor grooming and partially attribute their lack of success with women to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:19 AM
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Women regularly wear clothing that reveals their armpits, even to the office.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:17 AM
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I never claimed that calling someone a neckbeard is a literal claim that they have a neck beard, merely that it is indicate of negative attitudes towards neck beards. Clearly the speaker is affirming negative attitudes towards neck beards. In the same way that calling someone an "inbred southern redneck" clearly indicates the speaker clearly views said rednecks negatively, which is why the subject of the insult is being compared to them......
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:15 AM
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Why is the insult "neckbeard" then if it's unrelated to physical appearance? If I insulted a woman by calling her a "legbeard" would you be saying that doesn't indicate negative attitudes towards women's body hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:59 AM
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I don't doubt that there are social/professional consequences for women for showing armpit hair but it's rarely explicit. Whereas no one would think twice about a man being called out for having an unkempt beard. That's what I meant. but it’s a bit tiring that if your razor breaks you have to wear sleeves or the whole world gets so mad at you. Welcome to our life. How often do you see men reveal their armpits, apart from the gym or the beach?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:57 AM
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The argument against male grooming standards for women isn't necessarily that there be NONE I think you're missing the mark. From what I've seen most of the time these individuals are opposed to any and all grooming standards for women with regards to hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:55 AM
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The insult literally refers to facial hair. It's based on a negative attitudes towards men not shaving. This is as disingenuous as a conservative bringing up the stereotype of the unshaven feminist and claiming that he's not actually talking about grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:51 AM
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Along with thousands of others who whine together that nobody's talking about this! Can you give any examples? I looked through some of those threads and haven't found anyone calling it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:41 AM
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Women: "SAHMs who cheated still deserve full alimony and child support because cheating is irrelevant to finances" Also women: "Men deserve to be milked for cheating" If y'all didn't have double standards you would have no standards. INB4 "not all women teeehee" I have never once seen a woman on Reddit, especially a liberal/progressive woman, agree that proven infidelity should affect someone's entitlement to alimony/CS and if any woman here does agree with that feel free to come forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:10 AM
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The vast majority of humans are self-interested to some extent, you're enforcing a ridiculously high standard for logical consistency. Individuals who are ordinarily pro-conscription during a defensive war may change their minds if their son gets conscripted, individuals who are ordinarily anti-abortion may change their minds if their daughter needs one, individuals who are ordinarily pro-death penalty may change their minds if a family member commits a capital crime, etc. It's understandable th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:51 AM
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https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html I swear to God Redditors are like parrots that just repeat figures they hear from others without actually looking into it. And those women Leo dates are mostly successful professional models and actresses, they are more mature than the vast majority of women their age. If a ‘blank canvas’ is the way to finding lasting love then Leo should have succeeded with the first early 20 something he dated. What makes you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:53 AM
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Incels cite plenty of research to support their views on their wiki. Uhh, women use statistics all the time, and they're usually pretty horrifying. It's not like it's that hard to find hard, quantifiable evidence of women putting up with all sorts of awful shit. Every time I've seen women on reddit talk about sexual assault/DV statistics it was either some catchy figure(like the 97% of women have been sexually harassed one) without a source or a link to a news article or some tertiary source lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:48 AM
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That was literally my point LMAO. I was talking about chads that fucked around instead of settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:33 PM
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i dun get it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:26 PM
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but her face is weird looking. most descriptive moid be like she has too much upper eyelid exposure and a recessed chin
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:23 PM
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cats are more vicious than dogs and that's a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:22 PM
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I want every gun we have to fire on that man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:22 PM
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lifefuel for changkpopmaxxingricecels
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:20 PM
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too much makeup ick
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:20 PM
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Why would you care enough to lie? There has to be some incentive. In the case of incels characterizing women as selective/shallow based on things women say or do "online", why would those women be lying? What would they get? What they're saying/doing doesn't make them look good. If anything they would have a (mild) incentive to DOWNPLAY how selective/shallow they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:15 PM
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People have less incentive to lie about those things on the internet because they will face fewer/no tangible repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:52 PM
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n
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:52 PM
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The pigs my uncle raises on his farm are very content until slaughter day. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:51 PM
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Mutually? Do you "spoil" him too? If not then what do you do for him that he doesn't do for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:12 PM
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Why is it that when men make household decisions it's labelled as an exercise of power, but when women make household decisions it's labelled as a burden?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:11 PM
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Plenty of parasites aren't even noticed by their hosts at all. That doesn't make them not parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:10 PM
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Their critics rarely provide any research of their own lol, it's mostly dumb stale platitudes like "not all women" or "i know a guy....." It doesn't matter if you claim to know a guy who's 5'5" and slays. That's literally just one man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:08 PM
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women don't be leeches challenge(90% fail rate)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:07 PM
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the people's republic of california 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:07 PM
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That's better than gifts yeah. Man if I had a dollar for every time I got a shitty gift I could actually buy myself a nice gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:02 PM
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gift-giving is really economically inefficient but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:57 PM
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They asked family to watch their kids so they could blow off steam three or four times a month This assumes you have family close by, and that they are willing to watch your kids. And for men especially there's still the burden of being expected to provide, and bring in more money. Some of the best predictors of divorce are men's employment and income.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:48 AM
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For what other reason would you care about his generosity, other than the desire for him to spend money on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:43 AM
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Never said they didn't exist. They do, but less than desirable older men. Women's SMV declines more with age compared to men. This is not my subjective value judgement, I'm talking about the consensus view. Men prefer younger women more strongly than women prefer younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:41 AM
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you're missing out on opportunities to be wrong and actually learn Be wrong about what? Learn about what? Are you one of those weird people that thinks we should seek hardship to become stronger or something? You're just yapping here. Validation is the poor man's confidence. Validation is to confidence what meth is to productivity. Validation is a basic human desire. This is no different from girls wanting to be told they're pretty by their boyfriends. Validation breeds confidence. It's incredib…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:15 AM
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self actualise What do you mean by "self actualise"? Google defines it as "the realization or fulfillment of one's talents and potentialities, especially considered as a drive or need present in everyone." If that's the definition you're using then what's the relevance of it to this topic? than saying something is a road to meaningless emptiness. Maybe it's "empty" to you, it clearly isn't to them. Not everything in life has to be spiritual and meaningful. Some guys just enjoy sex, companionship…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:04 AM
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This story doesn't really discredit red pill, you just have different preferences and priorities than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:36 AM
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Men are doing this to each other and themselves. "women never encourage toxic behavior in men teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:33 AM
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Not particularly, it would just be a red flag if she wasn't willing to answer that question for herself. If she answers in good faith and doesn't say some dumb shit like "I am the table" then I'd probably play ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:31 AM
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"How about you go first sweetheart"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:21 AM
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Aging negatively affects men as well but most data I've seen indicates that women do not strongly prefer a youthful appearance in partners like men do. In some cases it can even be a negative, like having a baby face or having little/no facial hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:14 AM
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I think facial hair is a big one, you can grow more as you age. A wise man with a weak chin will understand that a big beard makes it invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:32 AM
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Why don't you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:29 AM
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People just need to actually try and date each other while married, and have sex dates too. The burden of raising children, and women's expectations for men to provide, make this really difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:29 AM
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The only reason younger women tend to come off as more fun is because they don’t plan or see a future with you. They are carefree. They are not wondering if you can afford a family. That’s why they don’t ‘interview’ you: they don’t already have kids or need to think about supporting anything more than a pet. You are just a fun person to get along with. My point exactly....... And if you want the carefree lifestyle forever, maybe you should be childfree. I agree, I think if a man is attractive an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:28 AM
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Men are also traditionally the ones to propose so they are the pursuers of commitment Formally, yes. But often women pressure them to propose and get married. If you think most proposals these days are unsolicited surprises then I have a bridge to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:21 AM
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How is it irrelevant when I’m a woman Exactly, you are a woman, just a single woman. You don't speak for most or all women. Your personal judgement is not necessarily an accurate reflection of whether a man is generally desirable to women(as a whole) or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:48 AM
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Your personal preferences on what makes a man desirable are irrelevant to this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:25 AM
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The incel wiki contains plenty of research to support their beliefs, if you're asking to see the evidence it's all there. Their critics have jack shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:23 AM
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Men are significantly less commitment-oriented than women are. I think you struggle to empathize with the opposite sex. Even some women though, are increasingly rejecting marriage and motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:21 AM
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Good thing the world doesn't revolve around you then. Many decent guys in their 30s and 40s are unmarried by choice 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:19 AM
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People still go to malls?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:55 AM
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Oh, do actions have effects over the internet? What's your point in asking this? So, a world where there is little accountability or consequences reflects reality? Discussions are more likely to be truthful in an environment where people are less afraid of consequences for what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:53 AM
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I didn't say anything about desirable older guys being undesirable in their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:52 AM
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Bullshit and cope. Desirable people can choose to delay marriage/commitment or reject it altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:50 AM
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Incels literally have a whole ass wiki, what do their critics have? "Not all women are like that teehee" "well I know a guy who....." lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:26 AM
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Yes, but in my state there is no separate minimum wage for servers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:25 AM
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The guys who are complaining about it are not the ones participating in it.......
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:21 AM
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Everything you wrote is the perfect explanation of why many single, desirable, older guys go for younger women. Do desirable, single, older women exist? Maybe, but they aren't very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:20 AM
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So? The fact remains that the internet is words, not actions. Words can indicate actions and behavior. If someone states that they behave a certain way or have a certain preference, I would give them the benefit of the doubt unless they have an incentive to lie(which is frankly a lot of the time). And there are plenty of studies published on the internet that support incels claims about women, studies that examine both womens words and their actions. And you can’t punch anyone through a screen, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:14 AM
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I meant the diet was cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:12 AM
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I don't feel a need to tip servers because I don't tip other service workers. Their job isn't herculean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:12 AM
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not really compatible with someone who only eats chicken strips and chips. This is also cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:44 AM
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I don't want kids tbh, but if I were in that situation I don't think I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:42 AM
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Counter evidence to the evidence being presented by incels to support their worldview. If you're claiming that they're "cherry-picking" evidence(excluding/ignoring a large amount of evidence that contradicts their claims) you need to provide examples of the evidence being excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:41 AM
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Do you tip your cashier?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:40 AM
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If you eat organs as well, animal flesh provides the vast majority of essential macro and micro nutrients. And you don't need to eat a large amount of plant food to obtain enough essential micronutrients. A single chili pepper for instance, meets the RDA for Vitamin C. The purported health risks of red meat and saturated fat have been greatly exaggerated, and research generally doesn't account for things like cooking method (some research suggests it's specifically high heat cooking of red meat …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:38 AM
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Status probably, money I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:47 PM
1

penny pinching "doesn't want to be my betabux"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:45 PM
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How much do you earn?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:44 PM
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Doesn’t eat fruit/veg (random but a guy I dated briefly had the palette of a 10 year old and it was a huge ick) Plant foods are not as essential as mainstream nutrition makes them out to be. Prehistoric human hunter-gatherers likely at mostly meat. Rude to staff/servers Not rude but I don't tip them much or anything, they earn the same minimum wage as everyone else where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:43 PM
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Anyone can throw around accusations of cherry picking. You need to provide counter-evidence to actually prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:40 PM
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I am extremely selective. And many of those men with fat women are married men whose wives got fat after marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:39 PM
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I would rather die a virgin than touch a landwhale. Unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:27 PM
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Incels cite far more research to support their beliefs than their critics do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:26 PM
2

I'm sick of hearing this. We live in the digital age now and the vast majority of non-old people use the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:23 PM
1

By the same logic African-Americans are "Schrodingers criminals" because of their disproportionate perpetration of crime. And Muslims are "Schrodingers terrorists" because of their disproportionate perpetration of and support for terrorism. But somehow profiling groups is only acceptable when it comes to one group: men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:20 PM
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If my expectations are too much for them, they have every right to choose not to be my friend. Sure. That doesn't mean them choosing over things over maintaining your friendship is "harming" you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:10 PM
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Acting repulsed/disgusted is significantly less bad than calling someone a creep, perv, predator, etc. It doesn't matter if you think they're a "creep" in your head, it's the labels that cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:07 PM
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It was just an anecdote. Women use anecdotes to argue against incels/TRP all the time, more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:05 PM
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If he got cucked and he doesn't accept it as his, then it isn't "his kid". Not any more than a cuckoo chick is the offspring of its host couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:48 AM
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Astrology, like all other religion, is dumb. But at least the adherents of traditional religions can be excused to an extent since most were brainwashed from birth. Women and astrology is just pure, unadulterated, retardation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:41 AM
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It was all based on a lie. Not by the kid, sure, but a lie all the same. Bonds are not invincible and can be broken. but they clearly have none for the kid Not wanting to raise a kid that's not yours doesn't mean you don't empathize or sympathize. Raising a kid is a big burden. If I were in that situation I would rather start fresh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:39 AM
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Clearly I wasn't talking about "male pick-mes".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:16 AM
2

Was he terrible to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:15 AM
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I don't think unconditional love truly exists, or if it does its incredibly rare. Most people have a threshold for what actions they would accept from their loved ones. How many mothers do you think would love a child that hated them and treated them like garbage from birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:15 AM
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That shit would fuck up any one. It would. Unfortunately you can't force people to feel affection for a child. I think men are much less inclined towards alloparenting than women are, so raising a child that's not theirs is difficult to accept. Hell, some men don't even want to raise kids that ARE theirs. It sounds fucked up but in most mammals, males do not care for offspring at all. Blood doesn’t need to make family. Maybe not to you, others disagree. Why do you think so many couples with fert…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:13 AM
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Solution: Get that test! Be upfront about your desire for it way before you have kids. No need. You can do it yourself by swabbing the kid's cheek and sending it in for testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:10 AM
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LMAO you sound just like ugly "nice guys" claiming that attractive men are douchebags 😂. Sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:06 AM
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I don't give a shit if women internally feel that ugly men are creepy for daring to approach them, I'm not the thought police. But it's pure evil when they ruin lives by publicly labelling them as creeps and predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:02 AM
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Ugly girls rarely get labelled as creeps and predators for approaching men, even if the approach is unwelcome. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:57 AM
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Rumors can get around and there is such thing as a figure of speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:56 AM
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Ugly women don't get labelled as creeps and predators for approaching men. I'm sick of this push to dismiss things that mostly affect men as being gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:55 AM
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Ugly women don't get labelled as creeps and predators for approaching men. That label is a pretty severe form of vilification.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:54 AM
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We can share stories all day. I can find countless stories of men having their lives ruined by false rape accusations. Sharing stories doesn't indicate how common something actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:52 AM
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"yeah pleasant and agreeable women are all hiding their true nasty colors just trust me dude" Bro is literally making things up. This is clearly a psyop because you're bitter that guys like nice girls more than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:49 AM
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More men need to understand this tbh. It's not supposed to be noticeable, you only notice the botched jobs and people who go overboard because they're obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:08 AM
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Like, should you just not bring up anything cultural or political until long after you're dating This.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:06 AM
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Literally all the former hoes that I see are getting married to the best guys(handsome, sweet, great job) I think guys here over-emphasize body count. Realistically many guys don't care or at least can't afford to be that picky. And it's incredibly easy for women to lie/downplay it. the desirable Stacy that mogged girls like me and turned you down isn't suffering! You're mistaken in assuming that guys only go for the most attractive women. This is female projection at the finest. Sure, the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:57 AM
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In what world? """Pickmes""" are good for us. Who the hell wouldn't want a girl that's highly agreeable, prioritizes you, and shares your interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:52 AM
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Pick me behavior is more than just “cringe;” it harms other people due to selfishness. The only way your could characterize that as harmful is if you think you're entitled to a certain amount of time and attention from your friends. To me, criticizing your friends for prioritizing other things over you seems very narcissistic and selfish. They're your friend, not your conjoined twin. They have their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:51 AM
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