Financial emancipation is not a convincing explanation for why women have become more selective in recent years

Obsidian_Koilz · 2024-06-28T00:30:02+00:00

Sir, let me reference the 1945 published text of one Thomas D. Horton on the topic of "What Men Don't Like About Women." Right in the table of Contents, you will find guidance to the chapter on 'Their unreasonable expectations,Their unfair sex practices...and more'.

Once financial emancipation was imminent for most middling class women, selection criteria for a life partner became more than just protect and provide. The poorer class women always had industry, though underpaid and overworked. Poorer children were used for their labor as well. Preference and selectivity for poorer women was much more of a luxury.

EulenWatcher · 2024-06-28T01:24:52+00:00

Social changes often if not always take time to catch up. So even when women worked and could afford living on their own, the belief that they should get married and stay married was still strong for a pretty long time. Heck, we still have some leftovers of it.

In Russia it's pretty interesting to see the shift from "you need pants in the house" to" you're better off single than with a shitty partner". We have so many stories about women tolerating decades of abuse, cheating, alcoholism just to breathe out when their spouse...dies. I think younger women got far pickier and it's the result of changes in what we were teaching girls and also them seeing that you don't really have to tolerate this shit. You can divorce and live on your own. You can be picky.

Creation_Soul · 2024-06-28T00:28:54+00:00

I am not saying that online dating is not a big cause, but i think another aspect is also important: it's become less stigmatized to be single. So, a person can be in a good relationship, in a bad relationship or single. Everybody can agree that a good relationship is preferred by both sexes.

My personal theory (based on observations) is that men on average seem to favor a bad relationship (due to sex) to being single, while women prefer being single to being in a bad relationship.

Of course we can debate how "single" is a woman if she can have sex any time she wants or what defines a "bad relationship", but the main point about the difference in priorities stands.

DoubleFistBishh · 2024-06-28T00:16:30+00:00

Those stats don't contradict anything though. Women were "financially emancipated" to do shit jobs because a lot had little work history or marketable skills. And jobs could always just use plausible deniability to turn them down just for not being male.

That still would make marrying a man with money the better option for a while after.

Professional_Chair28 · 2024-06-28T01:33:53+00:00

Basically every woman has watched a mother, sister, aunt, grandmother, cousin, put their heart and soul into a relationship with a man and watched the life slowly drain out of them because of the one sided energy within that relationship.

Not saying that’s all relationships, I’m not even saying that’s most.

But every woman I know has a story of watching someone drain themselves for a man, waste their time, energy, emotional energy at the expense of that woman’s own happiness and fulfillment.

Not all relationships are a good focus of energy. That is why a lot of us choose to be single. That’s why we’re selective. It’s not about finding a relationship, it’s about finding the right person for me.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-06-28T00:05:32+00:00

Can you use something besides online dating to prove that women have become more selective in recent years?

MyLastBestChance · 2024-06-28T00:49:51+00:00

Far more women are asking themselves not “Which man should I choose?” under the social assumption that choosing a man was the only option, but “why do I need to choose a man at all?” and finding peace and happiness in not choosing to settle for someone just because that’s what was traditionally expected of them.

That’s the real expansion of options that is frustrating some men. You aren’t just competing with other men, you’re competing with the absence of men which is a far higher bar.

alwaysright12 · 2024-06-28T09:01:09+00:00

What's wrong with women being more selective?

wtknight · 2024-06-28T01:38:38+00:00

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

In short, the study says that, in many metro areas, such as New York or Washington D.C., young women now outearn men. However, in 2000, young women were still earning just 88 cents to every dollar that young men earned.

So the earning gap did not plateau for young women, as you suggest. Young single women are doing as well or better now than young single men, likely due to their increased education compared to young men.

Women do earn less as they age compared to men, as the study states:

For example, in 2000, the typical woman age 16 to 29 working full time, year-round earned 88% of a similar young man. By 2019, when people in this group were between the ages of 35 and 48, women were earning only 80% of their male peers, on average. Earnings parity tends to be greatest in the first years after entering the labor market.

So at a young age, when women are advancing their careers these days, they are li

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purplish_possum · 2024-06-28T03:27:55+00:00

Women have always lusted after hot guys and disdained ordinary guys. Previous social norms prevented women from fully expressing their proclivities. Women are now free to say the quiet part out loud and act in accordance.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-06-28T03:19:37+00:00

The cultural shift took awhile, as cultural shifts do. But you should know that, there are still "sundown towns" in the US where blacks are not welcome, and there are still southern border towns where migrant workers don't linger.

And the transition from white colonialists to melting pot is just as pronounced in the UK.

Online dating, in all its forms(including social media), is a far more compelling explanation for why women have become more selective. They have a far larger pool of men to choose from, they are no longer limited to their social circle, so they will pick the best.

Sure, men would, too, given the chance. That's what they did when women has less independence and leverage. Women are doing exactly what men did in prior generations. Now that more people are free to select partners based on attraction rather than cultural pressure, we're looking at natural selection in a species which has been warped by cultural and religious oppression for 2,000+ years.

66363633 · 2024-06-28T04:55:34+00:00

No, its still convincing. It takes time for dating culture to catch up. Secondly, its not the SOLE reason, pretending that someone says it is is just stupid. You really think multiple factors can't have effect at the same time? lol. Online dating and social media definitely had huge impact in shaping todays dating situation. But financial emancipation is still has the biggest/most crucial one. If it didn't happen, but we still got Dating Apps and social media the dating would be obviously very different from the one we have today. Gross betabax fiesta

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TheYoungFaithful · 2024-06-28T20:46:04+00:00

No it makes sense because a lot of marriages and kids in the old days would never have happened if the woman and her family weren’t worried about her financial future. I would even go as far as to say the majority wouldn’t have happened. Women by nature are super picky because of the effect of pregnancy and child raising on our lives. That’s nature and this level of pickiness exists in just about every species where the female sacrifices a lot to reproduce. It doesn’t make sense to say that we’re the exception even though we have some of the most dangerous pregnancies and the longest care of children in the animal kingdom. OLD is just a symptom of this rather than introducing some new behavior. The new behavior would be the awkwardness and anxiety from a lack of socializing.

DietTyrone · 2024-07-01T15:07:36+00:00

It actually does to an extent because they weren't emancipated from their hypergamous nature. So as they elevated in status so did their standards because they still desire to date up. They guy has to earn, have, and be everything they are are and more. The standards are only going to get more outlandish the higher women progress up the latter.

SaBahRub · 2024-06-28T01:55:53+00:00

Social media has allowed women access to more information and shared experiences, confirming “metoo”

And the internet has replaced many instances of socializing. We’re no longer bored, we’re online

Samphilbags · 2024-06-28T07:48:50+00:00

What gender pay gap? After accounting for differences in education, experience, career choice, etc, I'm pretty sure economists have shown that there is no gender pay gap. It's been debunked time and again.

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-06-28T11:16:50+00:00

It’s the globalized sexual marketplace. Pretty obvious.

DBEternal · 2024-06-29T06:56:23+00:00

women are just men but only have a sex drive towards the top 5% of guys or so, it's always been like this

Just be sexy enough to have women straight up ask you for sex, or spend the rest of your life coping.

shadowrangerfs · 2024-06-28T02:01:58+00:00

I think the bigger issue is that it shows what these women think of men. To say that you don't need men because you have money shows that you only see men as a wallet. These women feel that men have no use or value outside of their bank account.

To answer your question, I think that in recent years, there has been more of a push on social media to label men as nothing more than a wallet.

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2024-06-28T01:56:10+00:00

" Online dating, in all its forms(including social media), is a far more compelling explanation for why women have become more selective. They have a far larger pool of men to choose from, they are no longer limited to their social circle, so they will pick the best."

Then why would you say it's dominated by men?

Planthoe30 · 2024-06-28T04:22:59+00:00

I agree with your thesis but for different reasons. I’d attribute selectivity to easily accessible information because of the internet. Since the 90s we have seen an increase of screen time to the point we now have computers in our pockets. I don’t necessarily think women being selective is a bad thing when that selectivity isn’t shallow or unrealistic.

63daddy · 2024-06-28T00:23:17+00:00

People act as if hypergamy (women being selective and wanting to marry up) is something new. It’s not. It’s been around forever.

What’s changed is these hypergamous desires are less achievable. For decades we’ve been disadvantaging men in education, in job hiring and in business ownership. Such disadvantages along with inflated housing costs, depressed wages, etc., mean women simply can’t marry up the way they want. The demographics and economy simply don’t allow it.

Any hypotheses that assumes women having high expectations and wanting to marry up is something new is a hypothesis based on a false premise because hypergamy isn’t at all new.

Title	Financial emancipation is not a convincing explanation for why women have become more selective in recent years
Author	Total_Yankee_Death
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Date	June 28, 2024 12:01 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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