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When you get into long term relationships, often what can happen is that the idea of being yourself takes a back seat to the idea of the two of you. You make consolations for each other’s effort cuz life is busy and stressful and eventually all the things that attracted you two to each other fade away. Responsibilities and “being practical” are the priority. What those cheating men did that you weren’t able to do because of all your time in a relationship was create new energy. Practicality is y…
/r/seduction01/11/22 10:27 PM
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You sound like Patrice O Neal. I fuck with that
/r/seduction18/10/22 03:08 AM
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Right I did call her cute and she basically blew it off saying “naw that’s not me” but that could have been just the moment cuz maybe it came out of nowhere
/r/seduction09/10/22 09:36 PM
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Wow I’ve never had someone explain it like that. I think it’s my eagerness that is showing thru, but it is shallow. Thinking about that throughout a date is taking away from being in the moment. And it’s a tad selfish. It’s only a problem when I really like the person and it also just depends on my mood. I’ve had other times where things were totally natural and I wasn’t thinking too much and it just happens. Regulating my mood can be a challenge sometimes
/r/seduction09/10/22 10:08 AM
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Yeah i may also be beating myself up too much. There wasn’t a time where I felt that I should make a move. I just get into that thought process of “if I don’t make a move, she’ll move on to someone else” which I think is a slightly toxic way to think. We have plans to go for dinner later this week, so I think I could set things up in a more intimate way there and it probably will feel more natural to get closer to her and go for a kiss. P.S i touched her on the thigh and held her hand as I looke…
/r/seduction09/10/22 08:21 AM
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Damn this may be a really accurate description of what I went thru. I could feel my body in exactly the way you’re describing it
/r/seduction09/10/22 08:17 AM
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She said “nah that’s not me” and basically said “nah?” In a puzzled way and I didn’t say anything more. It might have been a window to affirm her prettiness, but then I feared about coming off as a simp
/r/seduction09/10/22 06:20 AM
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She’s an absolute bro so yeah, we actually just talked and shared music. There were a few small parts where we talked about weed and how many languages she spoke, but honestly I could say that we talked music for almost 3 hours. Again, I absolutely love that I sat right next to her on the couch and she didn’t adjust at all to be less close to me. I even brushed her hair and called her cute. But fuck, I got spooked I guess
/r/seduction09/10/22 06:04 AM
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Your question won’t be answered by progressing more professionally. I’m not saying that you should stop trying all together, but professional progression is not the answer to “how do I get this girl?”. There is a barback out there who is the same height and weight as you who is also 24 and lives with his parents and he still gets laid more. The problem with the professional progression argument is that it eventually gets to a point where your professional accolades have diminishing returns for w…
/r/seduction07/10/22 10:35 PM
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I think this idea of progression to becoming a high value man is a little overplayed in this subreddit. Like how much do I gotta actually do?? There are people in lower, worse off situations with less going for them that still can pull more than I can That being said, those metrics are all from the outside. At the end of the day, you really have to like yourself. I struggle with liking myself and it becomes strikingly evident when I’m around a girl (if I’m actually paying attention to the though…
/r/seduction07/10/22 12:09 AM
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I wouldn’t reject a girl for having a high body count, but I’ll be more weary for the traits that may come with it. Of course every girl is different, so I gotta have a couple dates with them first. We all make assumptions in dating, I’m just being aware of what could happen
/r/seduction03/10/22 04:10 PM
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Sure I vent as well. But that’s because I can’t regulate myself on my own. With my boys, that’s great that I get that venue to express myself. But girls don’t like that and that also frustrates me because I’m trying to build a future. I have to actively assess who is and isn’t letting me vent. But ideally, I would just deal with that on my own and not spread my negativity of being lost in thought onto others
/r/seduction23/09/22 06:57 AM
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You’re speaking on the idea of exploring my feelings in order to find the next step. However, when the issue is perception and not execution, my pondering does nothing to resolve or regulate my emotions. I am high value (I know that) but I’m not being seen as such. It hurts
/r/seduction23/09/22 02:12 AM
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I always do this. It’s a great technique. I just wish I didn’t have to do it near constantly
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:27 AM
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Actively being detached means that you have a piece that wants to be attached. I don’t want to negate any of the feelings I have, I just want to be seen for who I am and not who I can be or who I should be
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:26 AM
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I understand this perspective and often life just seems to be like that; one challenge after another. That being said, I know that not everyone views life like that and I’m not trying to constantly be “on the grind” in such a deliberate way. From a birds eye view I am doing my best, but I hate the idea of viewing my life like a story arc, it puts too much emphasis on the past and future and not enough on the present. The narrative that you’re talking about is powerful at certain moments, but I d…
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:25 AM
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I appreciate this comment and resonate with it fully. However, when I perform these exercises of self awareness, they are not translating to a happier state of mind. They also aren’t translating to a worse state of mind. It’s just an objective understanding, which is an unemotional thing. So being in tune with my feelings isn’t actually helping me because I’m on my path, doing what I love and treating people the way I want to be treated. I think the kicker is that I’m not being perceived as high…
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:21 AM
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I think it’s because we’re worried (and I put myself in that category too) that we won’t be able to please a woman who is really experienced. Although, I can also speak to the other side where I slept with a girl who had a body count of over 60+ dudes by the time she was 23 and she couldn’t get enough of me. I was the one who dumped her cuz surprisingly, the sex was not that good at all, on top of all the personality flaws. Some of those flaws included the idea that she could download tinder so …
/r/seduction13/09/22 11:11 PM
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Hahaha love that
/r/seduction23/08/22 04:29 AM
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Lol username checks out. I feel you, and I’m gunna make a move and report back here in a week
/r/seduction23/08/22 04:25 AM
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The GBF (gay best friend) one is tough because the girl will generally be much more playful with that guy and it can send mixed signals to the outside. The easiest way is to chat up the guy. I think the people who told me to just simply ask are right, I’m just freezing up because I want her, but I don’t want to lose what we’ve made. If you’re seeing someone out with their GBF, there’s less context and so you can just simply ask him what’s up
/r/seduction23/08/22 04:16 AM
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I’ll have to
/r/seduction23/08/22 03:27 AM
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It’s a seduction question because I’m feeling that she’s given me cues to make a move, but I could also be imagining things. Risk it for something better or stay put and enjoy what I have?
/r/seduction23/08/22 03:27 AM
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Yeah you’re right. I’ll just ask next time. Weirdly her ex followed me on Insta so maybe that’s how I bring it up
/r/seduction23/08/22 03:24 AM
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Everyone’s got their thoughts and they’re all right, but if you want a blank statement for why women aren’t having sex with you and others are, it’s this: You’re not making women feel sexy What you are doing is: You’re having a good conversation and being attentive to their thoughts, but not exciting them. The problem with this is that it demonstrates qualities that are good in a friend or long-term partner, but unlike what conventional advice would suggest, women bond with sex (unexpected) so y…
/r/seduction20/08/22 08:53 AM
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Damn “too much over the phone leads to buyers remorse”. That hits hard. Any advice on how to deal with a girl who is always down to message, but will never hang? And then always apologizes but never commits to hanging out?
/r/seduction16/08/22 07:07 PM
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I think this is a comment that I hear everyone say, regardless of gender. Guys get equally frustrated when they invest into a woman and that’s when that woman decides to go cold, I’ve personally experienced this so much. Don’t take what I say now to be fact, I’m just hypothesizing potential reasons for why you might encounter this. When being assertive is a given trait, do you find yourself becoming more nurturing and less assertive as you begin to start having feelings for the guy? Because the …
/r/seduction13/08/22 08:30 PM
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Full disclosure: I’ve been struggling with this recently but that’s why I wrote the post; I could finally see that what I’m lacking could elevate me as a person. I have a co-worker who I think is really attractive. At a certain point, I realized that I never mustered the courage to talk to her cuz she’s gorgeous. And now enough time has passed at work where it would become harder to create a friendly rapport. Had I not been dumbfounded by her beauty, her physique, her ethnicity, and all that oth…
/r/seduction13/08/22 07:43 PM
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I do agree with your sentiment that different people accomplish different objectives for each other. However, it’s not really a pedestal. I may lack the perfect words to describe what I’m trying to express but essentially this advice only really applies to people who have deregulated their dopamine to a level where nothing really excites them. And this is a reminder that a woman (or any person) is not just the sum of their parts. There is an objective truth to being attractive thru things like m…
/r/seduction13/08/22 07:32 PM
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Ok so your situation seems like you have lots of responsibility and no avenues of privacy or total independence. It will make finding a girl more challenging for sure. But man, there are 24 hours in a day. 8 for work, 8 for sleep and 8 for the rest. You need to start from basics. Forget girls or even friends, you just need to find yourself again. Schedule your time so that you have a chance to go out. And go do things you genuinely love. It can be hard to know what you love to do when you’ve spe…
/r/seduction11/08/22 09:21 PM
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I get that you can’t move because of your grandparents. But dude, you’re worried about your dog moving too?? That’s really bending over unnecessarily for something in your life that you can actively control (meaning you could totally move to a bigger city with your dog). I understand the grandparent part is tricky, and maybe your situation is quite impossible. It’s quite commendable that you’re taking on that responsibility at such a young age. I hope this question doesn’t bring on a sour note, …
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:27 PM
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You guys are putting too much emphasis on my words…it’s perfectly normal to want to keep something that you deem to be valuable. I have a rotation of 4 7’s and 2 8’s, I would like a 9 in the mix as well (I also hate judging based on numbers) because it’s a sign of my improvement in life. Literally a gauge of how my abundance mindset is self actualizing. I’m not fearing anything, I know that it’s wrong to be clingy and weak. Really I just wanted to hear some words that indicate how other people i…
/r/seduction05/08/22 08:57 PM
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I work in music/fashion industry so people in general in my space are superficial. It takes a good business mind to even acknowledge that hard truth. Yes, I shine on my own (how else would I even get to go to this sick event?) but being aware of optics doesn’t make me “less than”. My work ethic, compassion, strength (mental and physical) and skills make me an invaluable asset. That being said…there’s some dungeon-dweller who makes $200,000 coding and provide value and is smart and will never see…
/r/seduction05/08/22 05:13 PM
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Lmao I’ve been smoking for a while so it doesn’t bother me but I could see that
/r/seduction05/08/22 05:03 PM
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Cool man I appreciate the advice. Wouldn’t say I’ve already lost, however I understand that your tone is purposefully trying to elicit a strong reaction. Tough love they say, right? I’ve been maintaining a decent distance communication wise, but tbh I might be a bit shallow cuz I’m only getting excited cuz she’s really hot. We’re going out Saturday to an event and the biggest selling point to me for her is the fact that she makes me look cool. I already know I’m sick af cuz I’m taking her to an …
/r/seduction05/08/22 05:01 PM
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But I don’t really want that. The mind games are tricky cuz what if I say that and she actually respects it? I’d do the opposite of what I actually want
/r/seduction05/08/22 04:52 PM
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The actual posts are great to relate with others who are going thru some form of struggle, but the only really helpful part of this subreddit is the wiki. The compilation of stuff there is enough to get a good start in seduction. That being said, no amount of reading will help you. You need to fail in order to succeed, and this page preaches that a lot. It’s up to the followers to decide whether they take that advice or not
/r/seduction03/08/22 02:50 AM
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Damn yeah that’s what I’m afraid of. That kinda sucks tbh cuz I don’t want every female interaction to be in the confines of terms like HVM and escalating and all that when really I just wanna chill and make music lol
/r/seduction29/07/22 12:51 AM
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I’ve had situations in the past where I wanted to work with a girl, but because I was platonic and friendly and not being seductive, I completely lost them as a collaborative interest and as a friend interest. Basically I’m saying that I think the same thing happened last night as when I reflect on the night, she gave me many chances to initiate. But I kept being platonic. Now I fear that I won’t even get to be a friend with her
/r/seduction28/07/22 05:15 PM
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Well that’s the thing; I’m not interested in dating her. But I’m worried that now I won’t even be able to keep her as a friend because I didn’t escalate.
/r/seduction28/07/22 03:50 PM
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That’s not really my point even. I wasn’t trying to hook up, but it was only after hanging out where I was like “did I miss the signs?”. Also, I’ve had it where I was being platonic and the girl across from me wasn’t and then I get ghosted as a friend. So yeah, I’m trying to still salvage any type of platonic relationship with her because that was my intention
/r/seduction28/07/22 03:48 PM
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Honestly I’m hoping we did spend the day platonically. I’ve had situations in the past where I would hang out with a girl who I felt was with me platonically and they had other intentions. I wouldn’t escalate, and they would just stop talking to me. No, we didn’t say it was a date beforehand.
/r/seduction28/07/22 03:46 PM
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What makes you believe that it is not in your control? How much effort have you put into trying to combat your handicap?
/r/seduction18/07/22 04:21 PM
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I think you’re mistaking self acceptance as self acceptance of failure. But that’s not what I’m talking about. You can change your circumstance, you just need to love yourself and have the desire to want change in your life. Self acceptance means that you’re content with what you have (which you aren’t) so you’re not accepting yourself because then it wouldn’t be worth it to subscribe to this subreddit, yet alone write this post. You’re reaching for something, and I’m trying to give you alms in …
/r/seduction17/07/22 07:53 PM
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You can choose, you just need to do it the right way. Example: your parents (who are strict and judgemental) will give you advice and you don’t listen to it, your friend (who is empathetic and nice) will say the same thing and you’ll agree. You’re going thru the same thing, but internally. You believe that you are undesirable, but have you tried changing your wardrobe? It’s a simple idea. Have you tried working out? It’s a simple idea. Do you have hobbies that allow you to meet new people? It’s …
/r/seduction17/07/22 07:13 PM
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Depression is a really tough thing to battle, everyone has their own journey with it. But the one thing I can say is that you have to be able to be honest with yourself. The way you speak reminds me of me when I was directionless and felt unworthy of success. When I wasn’t so successful, I was doing a bunch of drugs with people who I thought were my friends but they weren’t. I was suicidal, I was depressed. I bought a gun at one point, and I too wanted to blow my brains out so that my parents co…
/r/seduction17/07/22 06:32 PM
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The thing is on dating apps, guys are literally just meat. I saw the tinder profile of a friend of my ex who got tinder gold and I would rate her a 6 (7 in her profile) and she had 100’s of matches. It would take a full day for her to clear all of them. Especially in her case, she knew who matched with her and she was dtf but also picky.
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:56 AM
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Weirdly enough, every baby mama I met was pretty hot. Just something I wanted to say
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:51 AM
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Bro that’s so wild. You’re fucked but you need more upvotes
/r/seduction17/07/22 10:50 AM
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Naw what you listed is not in the same category as what OP posted. Hobbies are places where you meet more women, upgrading wardrobe is to make yourself look nicer (or show social status) and you should always be maintaining frame and having an abundance mindset
/r/seduction07/07/22 06:23 AM
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I think the simple answer is that you were vulnerable, but you were also reactive, which is not an attractive trait. Someone who could speak up and say “hey I didn’t drink any champagne, could you remove it from my bill?” is being more authentic and arguably more vulnerable, yet it isn’t heightening the tension in a room. It’s a calm request, and something I’m sure would have been obliged in that moment. It’s easy to get angry, it’s harder to admit you are “less than”. I think your understanding…
/r/seduction02/07/22 06:10 AM
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She was definitely an international student. You can tell from the photos. I am an NRI who was born in India, so I thought I’d be the best of both worlds since I speak Hindi, but I’m not the classic engineer/doctor/finance guy (I am a musician) so I was even more surprised with that.
/r/seduction01/07/22 05:58 AM
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Vancouver bro
/r/seduction01/07/22 05:51 AM
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Lmao we would fuck her regardless of whether she was with a co-worker or homie, in fact it’s a bummer to know that she was with someone else. Almost opposite mindset to women who get off on seeing a guy get what he wants
/r/seduction25/05/22 12:33 AM
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10 minutes is enough, but it’s also a number game. 10 minutes per person is chill, but I have to run back and forth to work too. I’m tryna find condensed approach tips to maximize my outcome
/r/seduction22/05/22 08:22 PM
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I work at the club when the club is open. So that’s not an option
/r/seduction22/05/22 03:57 AM
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Also, discomfort creates growth. You could be in this comfortable but unexciting place for your whole life. Decisions need to be taken. Everything you mention is vague. I would have some confidence that you could blossom into the person you want to be if you could say “5 years of saving and then I move” or “this much money and then I move” but muddy goals make for muddy, unclear, and dull execution
/r/seduction17/05/22 03:28 AM
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Sorry to say but if you have roomies and you’re trying to save money and you end up spending 2k on rent, you’re mismanaging your money. Unless you’re somewhere in LA, New York, San Fran, Toronto, Van, London, etc, you could probably get a room for rent for $750-$1000. With your utilities. You may spend 2K TOTAL, but 2k on just renting is a stretch and I think you’re really overestimating the costs
/r/seduction17/05/22 03:25 AM
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I think people think this is really involved, but a lot of attractive women want to save their cake and eat it too. They may really like you, you can do everything right, and they will still go “yeah and?”. It’s because society has sold women on the idea that they can have it all, and the way the OP suggests being a diva (albeit a pretty reasonable diva) is just a response to the diva-ness you’ll encounter. She can like you and still flake. You never know the true answer until they are in front …
/r/seduction17/05/22 02:43 AM
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Hey just a general question. Is your frame in this situation based on a one-time sexual fulfillment or based on the idea of getting multiple lays or sexual favours from this attractive woman? If it’s the first one, then yes, OP missed a chance (not really, he declined a chance for his own reasons) but if he was intending for the second choice, your suggestion that he “failed” (which is a really strong statement for the situation in which a total 10 is throwing herself at you) is short-sighted be…
/r/seduction03/05/22 01:23 AM
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Then why would I still get matches? I’m 5’10” and not that rich and I’m a minority. And I’ve seen dudes who are on a similar level to me also get matches, in fact I’m shocked when they are less in every metric to me and get WAY more attention. I think every person is a snowflake (cringe but true) and some people are just anomalies, even in an online “perfection is minimum” setting
/r/seduction07/04/22 09:37 PM
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I think some guys don’t even come from a place of negotiating so they don’t even create that dynamics in the first place
/r/seduction07/04/22 03:18 AM
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Naw I think that’s an over exaggeration which leads people to get trapped in that incel mindset. It’s like the difference between upper middle class and super rich. You’d still be in the top 20% of people, you’re just at the tail end of it. That last 20% is a logarithmic expression, so anything below that is like the guy version of seeing a 200+ chick who thinks she deserves the world and that her viewpoint on life is the most “correct” interpretation of how things should be. Or you get unconfid…
/r/seduction07/04/22 03:16 AM
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Hahaha fair enough man I do ramble. But perhaps I can spin it in a way that makes me look better. You’re Sparknotes and I’m Shakespeare 😁
/r/seduction06/04/22 08:20 PM
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I’m responding to you, but I hope you understand that I’m aware of all these things and that I’m speaking in such detail so other people who are not at the same place mentally as us can understand the journey and realistic truth of OLD. Your language is slightly dismissive, I would say that reframing dating rejection to not be “failures” is another thing that would help people agree with you. Like I said, people have taste. It’s important to be aware of this. There are girls who ONLY like bearde…
/r/seduction06/04/22 08:16 PM
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I could use an Americanized version of my name, but maybe that’s just part of my mindset that someone should call me by my name. It’s like a “you won’t make me reduce my identity to one syllable” type of mindset. That’s good advice for someone else tho, but then again it only really relates to Asian men (we can all say Alejandro) so it definitely can rub those guys the wrong way, myself included once upon a time. As for getting into the top 20%, I’d say that it’s a journey that takes everyone a …
/r/seduction06/04/22 07:58 PM
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Man I have pretty decent photos on my tinder and I don’t get matches at all. My photos on photofeeler are around 8-8.6 but because I have an ethnic name, a lot of people will pass me because I don’t give off that “north American born ______” vibe. But I do well in real life. The guy above is honestly quite correct from a statistical point of view, the top 20% of guys in terms of attractiveness get 80% of womens interest on Tinder. So you should thank the gods for the fact that you’re probably wh…
/r/seduction06/04/22 07:26 PM
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I honestly don’t think this is going to be the case. The cultural movement of hormone augmentation is making men and women be younger for longer. When I was younger, I used to think 40 was so old, and now I don’t even think 40 is that old. If you keep a healthy lifestyle with some form of exercise and have a good social life, you can look great in your 40’s. There are a lot of older women not looking to have kids and they just want an adventure partner. But 35 isn’t even that old so
/r/seduction01/04/22 12:54 AM
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Wait I’m confused. I asked how to get her to approach and you say it’s not possible but then you say “if you want him damn well better act like it” so those two things don’t make sense
/r/seduction30/03/22 07:59 PM
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What does qualifying themselves in this situation look like?
/r/seduction30/03/22 04:28 AM
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Agreed, but being dominant or being beautiful doesn’t immediately make you a narcissist. And also, social media has really fucked with our perceptions of success and happiness. I can honestly say that I didn’t have the desire to fuck tons and tons of women until I kept seeing that narrative be sold by Hollywood. It’s refreshing when you see someone living in the moment, free from the pressures of these norms. It’s what I ascribe to be, but it’s a tough path. But nothing easy is worth having, and…
/r/seduction29/03/22 04:33 PM
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When you’re burning inside for something to happen, it blocks your mind-body connection and it most definitely won’t occur. Having the ability to step away from your desires (much like a monk) is basically what Strauss is trying to explain. It’s not about acting like you’re not needy, it’s about acknowledging how beautiful the world is and ACTUALLY not being needy. And the poster before you saying that this advice is horrible for men who haven’t had much success is dumb. So if I wanna start play…
/r/seduction29/03/22 04:28 PM
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Here’s the thing. You’ll see examples of douchebags getting with girls, but you won’t acknowledge when a nerdy guy starts dating a nerdy girl. Why? Cuz even tho you are hating on the idea of a man who is free from the grips of family and emotional vulnerability, deep down you still know that if the places were traded, you’d pick their position. And why is that? Because a nerdy guy and girl exhibit limited choices in the dating pool, the other person doesn’t. Sometimes your confidence shapes your…
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:52 PM
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So how do you solve the issue of women not approaching even tho they have the ability? Would love to learn the technique to ridding a girl of her arrogance
/r/seduction29/03/22 03:15 PM
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I’d say being witty and being open about your desires are two different things. I’ll give you an example. Two points to make here, I’ll try and do them quickly. I’m hoping you have male friends. When you both see a hot girl, don’t you instinctually tell your mate “hey she’s pretty hot”? Literally just treat your girl friends like guys. You are allowed to think women are hot around other women, it’s not misogyny or douchey (within reason, don’t go talking about her thick ass and tight pussy and b…
/r/seduction23/03/22 11:04 PM
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My only question is whether I’ve spoiled my chances with her or not. Even if I’m friend-zoned, I can definitely find out the answer to the question “what do you mean you’re not looking for a project?”
/r/seduction22/03/22 02:59 AM
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What if you’re super chill around women? In the sense that they basically throw themselves at you (anything short of literally grabbing my dick) and don’t even realize it until a day later. I have that problem all the time, and then the women get upset with me or give me the cold shoulder. I don’t even understand it because the way women make themselves available is pretty covert; it could just be taken as trolling if they’re being overly sexual or they’re just being friendly
/r/seduction21/03/22 06:03 PM
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I literally posted something so similar the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/t65vvq/wondering_if_i_should_drop_this_chick_or_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf In my case, I ended up just ghosting’s her after the two dates. We had a third one planned (brunch) but I was like “it’s too much work to keep going out when I’d rather just have a girl in my bed watching Netflix”. If I really reflect on it, it wasn’t about me being lazy or thinking that brunch i…
/r/seduction08/03/22 08:29 PM
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First off I should say that I immensely appreciate the time and care you took to write this. You didn’t have to at all, but I can appreciate and understand what you’re saying. I read everything and I agree with it. I have a very complicated take on relationships, and this sub has helped me a lot in understanding that part. When I want sex, I can turn on the charm and I’ll find success. OLD is the place where I would do that, because I felt like a blank canvas that is detached from the other pers…
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:24 AM
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It’s weird because I am the person who is the most spontaneous, the most forward driving. I’m the one who will be like “let’s all dance” or “let’s go bowling” or “let’s get a tattoo” or “who wants shots” etc. Being fun and being flirty are not mutually exclusive to one another, but they are different things. I can be fun with a girl (but I’m not responding to their sexiness) and so that can just seem like I’m treating them like a bro and not like someone with a feminine energy. I’m not getting s…
/r/seduction03/03/22 07:15 PM
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I’m sorry you’re going thru that. Especially as a women, balding is not a very common thing (unlike hair loss in men) so I hope it’s either telogen or something other than alopecia, which is the gradual miniaturization of your hair follicles, leading to a reduction in overall density and length. However, I do think wigs are more accepted with women, and there are a ton of amazing and natural remedies. But get some blood work first. Otherwise, I would recommend minoxidil (rogaine is the brand nam…
/r/seduction03/03/22 03:54 AM
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What if you’re just trying to fuck tho? Like someone is cute and you literally just wanna sleep with them. I think it does become a game when you want such a specific and quantitative thing from another person. Thoughts?
/r/seduction25/02/22 07:03 PM
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I think she wanted a spicy encounter. You could have totally fucked her had you not brought up B. Especially when she says something like “I know you don’t want to be friends” and then takes your number, it’s definitely on like Donkey Kong. Now, at this point, people in the comment section can debate whether you should be going for a girl that your mate is also into, but as far as this situation goes, you made good moves initially but you were your worst enemy. I wouldn’t have brought it up to h…
/r/seduction17/02/22 02:06 AM
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I can relate to what you’re saying because I’ve been in this place before, as recently as 2 years ago. But I think your birds-eye perspective is killing your happiness. You are aware of all the points that women may like (your height is good, your physique is nice, you are fashionable and secure etc) but you’re finding resentment in the world because you’re doing all these things and it’s not getting you anywhere. This may be controversial in this subreddit, but I would suggest stop doing all th…
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:27 AM
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A guy who just lives his life and is enriched with experiences will definitely get women. But what kind of women? There are a ton of beautiful women out there, they just won’t belong to your tribe. Not into goth babes? How about blue collar babes? How about those retail babes? Nature babes? All these people are hot, but they wear cheap clothes or don’t care about their look (they are only appealing to a small subset of people), or they belong to some subculture so they really really care about t…
/r/seduction13/02/22 08:06 PM
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We are statistically in a time where less people are having sex. So yes, most guys are not having sex in the modern western world (these ideals haven’t touched rural areas in NA and across the globe, but they will)
/r/seduction13/02/22 07:52 PM
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Man two of my best friends are Asian (Filipino and Mongolian) and they don’t have fair skin, look pretty average, but one guy is 6ft and the other hits the gym and they both get women. They don’t make $100k or anything like that. They are just fun to be around. I think OP fails to realize that you can be an amazingly positive addition to society (has a good job, is healthy, pays taxes, is clean) and women will still pass you by. That’s because we live in a time where your bank account (bank acco…
/r/seduction13/02/22 07:50 PM
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First off, I never said I’m better than the women I’m talking to. Would love a direct quote, but you won’t be able to produce one. And truth be told, my way of not flirting with women could improve a little, but it’s never made anyone uncomfortable and no one in my circle takes it like I’m better than them. People love to attack someone who is genuinely asking for help. Thanks for your input
/r/seduction06/02/22 07:34 PM
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Truth of the matter is I just spoke with some friends yesterday and they clarified that my presence is completely welcome in this circle of people, and several of the girls have to re-evaluate how the judge me because the same metrics they use with most dudes are not key indicators they can use for me. Especially since I’m treating them almost exactly like a guy (talking stocks, business, asking them about their profession, hobbies, goals and aspirations) and not being flirty and trying to fuck,…
/r/seduction06/02/22 04:19 AM
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Also I just spoke with some friends last night and I’m not weirding these girls out at all. They are just more genuinely curious about what my angle is by just trying to get to know their aspirations and life, while not flirting, and while also not being territorial when other guys try to fuck. I’m in a good place, but it’s hard to see that if you think sex is the goal. Although if I just point a little bit of my sexual energy in someone’s way, it should be a positive experience for both parties
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:18 PM
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Thanks for the book rec! Will definitely read it
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:15 PM
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Also I just spoke with some friends last night and it’s just me who’s feeling weird. Those girls are curious as fuck about what I’m like cuz I’ve demonstrated the ability to have fun and take charge (make a roadmap for the evening, think of how to celebrates folks b-days, randomly get a free table at a strip club, book a gun range, borrow a tattoo gun from a random shop, etc), I have cool stories of me recording or atleast being in the same space as some musical legends, I see the world for my j…
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:13 PM
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Thing is man I just go reaffirmed by some friends last night and my only problem is just not asking for it. These girls talk about me all the time in a non-creepy “what’s his deal” type way because I’m the one who listens the most, doesn’t obsess over them or even flirt with them a little. But because I’m the reason the friend group does fun shit, because I have a great job, because I’m a great listener, I have all their attention. Sure they may fuck some guys in the meantime (I might eat some b…
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:06 PM
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I think you’re being harsh...people can be high value but also get put in places where the pieces don’t click. I hate having to keep explain that in terms of just p2p, I am in the 10%, I eat well, dress well, have an amazing job, when people need things done, they call me. When people want to have fun, they call me. In a sense, I am a provider, and that’s half the reason any girl will even talk to me. Because the words I’m writing here aren’t conveying the right sentiment of what I want to expla…
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:02 PM
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Yeah weight loss is definitely a goal I strive for. I’ve already lost 10, but weight has never been something that held me back, that being said, being slimmer always made things easier so I agree with your sentiment
/r/seduction05/02/22 08:48 PM
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I think my main issue (which I’m putting together as people’s comments roll in) is that I have some social problems that this new group doesn’t get. Two years ago, I had a different friend group how understood me, but I’m in a new place making friends with new folks and if you read my answers below (where I describe how I’m the life of the party) it just goes to show that you could be everything exciting, but if you don’t direct that excitement towards someone, it’s all lost gains
/r/seduction05/02/22 08:47 PM
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I think I’m probably coming off in the wrong way, I’m not really trying, I’m just treating girls like guys but not flirting. High value applies to all gender. But I’m definitely not being in the moment and it’s coming off in a weird way. I appreciate your comment
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:24 AM
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I think the issue is probably that I’m treating them like dudes and I’m not being flirty at all, but yeah, the whole mind game of making them validate themselves to me is not a good strategy and I realize that now. Thanks for your comment
/r/seduction05/02/22 03:01 AM
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I never asked to be validated for being high value. Not sure where you read that. Although I agree, you either are high value or not. And I definitely am. I love myself and I’m willing to share that with whoever wants it. As part of my job and the reason why I do so well in my job is because all I do is listen. Listening as a virtue of being a musicians, so I speak twice as less as I listen. I listen to people and they often tell me things they won’t tell anyone else. I am able to listen and con…
/r/seduction05/02/22 12:08 AM
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I am on the spectrum so no, I do struggle with subtlety as well
/r/seduction04/02/22 11:51 PM
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I appreciate your thoughts. Care to elaborate?
/r/seduction04/02/22 11:48 PM
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As far as trying to get girls, I am so less making an effort than my other friends. Like they’re being touchy feeling and just eye fucking a girl while I’m maintaining conversation and trying to establish whether this girl is cool or not. Thing is, girls want to be excited, not interviewed. So now I know that my tactic of trying to make women qualify themselves to me is not a good strategy
/r/seduction04/02/22 11:43 PM
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Man you haven’t read the comments (nor should you, it’s a lot) but in my friend group, I am the one that makes things happen. I organize the events. I host the parties. I bring people together. In my business and in pleasure, I have the uncanny skill to create amazing memories for everyone. It’s bragadocious to talk like this about yourself, but I take charge in where the night goes. I’ll be the one who will go into a tattoo shoo and convince the guy to loan me his gun for the night. I’m the one…
/r/seduction04/02/22 11:41 PM
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Lol I think she should be fuckable, but that only gets her thru the door
/r/seduction04/02/22 10:56 PM
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This lack of ability to connect with women is recent, in the last 2 years. That being said, it’s not black and white. I still get laid. As for pillow talk, my definition of pillow talk is dreaming about vacations and shit. Clearly my whole take on all this stuff is totally different from the rest of you. I qualify a lady before sleeping with her, and if she’s really cool or relationship material, I let her into my world of dreams (that I can make true) and so on
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:52 PM
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I guess so. Although tbh, I never do pillow talk unless it’s a relationship. I normally will turn the tv on, smoke some weed, and wait for them to leave. So maybe I’m doing all the steps wrong
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:41 PM
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Lol I just said that if she feels that need it’s all good by me because I get enough attention on the road as is. But tbh, if a guy can be monogamous, a girl can be too. I don’t care what the preference is, as long as it’s clear
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:38 PM
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I agree with all that bro, that’s some sage advice. Gotta go for the artsy girls for sure. I’m sure I’ll meet them in time
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:21 PM
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You’re hellbent on the original poster being an asshole but I’m not sure what world you live in where an asshole calls someone a gifted musician. Sigh, he probably didn’t realize the mundanity would escalate this much
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:14 PM
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What’s the difference between “you must be autistic” and “you sound autistic”. Isn’t one a diagnosis and the other a presumption? Therefor they haven’t diagnosed anything? It’s cool that you work in the health care field, I have my masters in abnormal psychology. Somehow, on Reddit, I could interpret that the commenter was not being ill-intended. If you could read back what they said, there was no way to see something snarky, except for the term autistic (which is not used so often in mental hea…
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:07 PM
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That’s an interesting take. It’s almost like I’m driving women into the opposite direction by virtue of making them validate them to me. I gotta be more breezy, but still have my standards
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:00 PM
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I don’t wanna argue the diagnosis part anymore because if someone says something to you and it is correct, it is correct. Even if it is offensive. Funny enough, that is a natural difference between someone on the spectrum or not: we take words literally, plus there were no cues of hostile language, so I took the response appropriately. lol i know women aren’t doing that, that’s why I made this post so I could understand why that was the case. Turns out trying to get a girl to validate herself to…
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:37 PM
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You strike me as the person who will call someone out for “caring about people’s opinions” when they are just simply trying to have a dialogue with you. You would be a frustrating individual to converse with. Concerning the clinician, you’re not wrong, but it would be irresponsible of them if they DIDN’T mention that I take some diagnostic tests and then seek professional help. Even if this person isn’t a clinician, their words are sage advice. Also about women annoying me, that’s not the case. …
/r/seduction04/02/22 06:56 PM
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These are great tips! Will definitely try them out next time. Often I’m so into my own enjoyment I’m not really realizing if anyone is trying to help or is on “my team” per se
/r/seduction04/02/22 06:47 PM
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Are you talking to the poster? Cuz he is correct (fortunately, unfortunately?) that I am on the spectrum and the poster sounds like they are a clinician because it’s similar language to what I’ve heard in my time in those spaces
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:59 PM
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That’s the most whiny I will sound, and I know some mf will be like “look you care so much, stop caring”, but I’m literally asking how to improve and responses like the one you gave me are exhausting for my mental. After reading all these comments, the only thing I’ve learned is to not care whether a girl is high value or not at these parties. It seems really counter-intuitive (seeing as you’d only want high value people in your life) but I guess my approach probably can be too intense or not as…
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:54 PM
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Dude wtf, so I’m the one who’s making the plans either in advance or spontaneously, I’m the person my guy friends want to be around, I’m the one who isn’t showing these girls that I’m simping for them, and I also have to be seductive while not caring? Like it feels like I have enough attributes that I shouldn’t have to juggle so many complex emotions
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:48 PM
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And also, isn’t the whole point of being a high value male the idea that I only do what’s important to me first and foremost?
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:04 PM
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I am on the spectrum, I did behavioural therapy as a child. Usually missing social cues when I was younger landed me in favour of a lot of women. This is as recent as two years ago. I’m not sure if the dating landscape has changed so drastically in the last two years, but I never really had issues with getting women (and that was at a time that I wasn’t as high value as I am now). But perhaps therapy could be good for me again
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:59 PM
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Yeah I could lose a few pounds, but do you really think it’s the thing holding me back this much? Or perhaps it’s the combo of the way I speak with women plus my weight
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:57 PM
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I’m definitely not boring, I responded to someone else who mentioned that. I am the initiator of excitement in my group. People turn to me to see the direction of the night. It just doesn’t materialize into women being into me
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:56 PM
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I think that’s a pretty toxic way of thinking. I don’t need a submissive girl, I need a smart and independent girl. Especially when I go on tour or something for months on end, I don’t need arguments to happen every two weeks cuz I’m not home. If the girl needs some physical attention, we can make an arrangement because I get enough attention on the road so she should be able to have if that’s really important to her. But I could (and have been) faithful on tour so the best situation would just …
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:55 PM
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Yeah I don’t like going to bars, parties are better for me cuz it’s a more intimate environment. As for your Chad/Tyrone thing, I am usually the initiator of activities. If the group wants to do something, I will usually dictate the activity (bowling, check out a lounge, go to the cinema, prank someone on their b-day, etc). I am actually creating the most non-sexual dynamism in the group. Again a reason why I get perplexed that my high value traits aren’t being recognized. And before someone say…
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:47 PM
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Yeah perhaps by completely not making my sexual intent known, I am trying hard and they are picking up on that. Smart take
/r/seduction04/02/22 04:46 PM
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Someone who is in school, or is working a serious job. Basically someone who has more than their looks. I’ve met too many girls who have been servers since high school and have no aspirations for anything more. Or sometimes I like an interesting girl, like I was with this one girl for a while who lived out of her car, but she also had a PhD in mathematics. Something along those lines
/r/seduction04/02/22 09:15 AM
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Man I’ve read how to make friends, but I haven’t read a single seduction book. All my references come from this sub. But you’re probably right that it is fucked up, and I even acknowledged that my thinking is very narcissistic. Thanks for your contribution
/r/seduction04/02/22 08:22 AM
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I see what you’re saying and I think you have some valid points. I picked a technique which I thought would work (since it’s the opposite of simping) but it hasn’t worked for me. So far I’ve learned that women won’t chase me, and that I have to just say what I want in the moment if I’m going to have any chance to have fun and hookup/date these women
/r/seduction04/02/22 08:12 AM
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I think my issue might be that I’ve done the total opposite of putting a girl on a pedestal and now there’s no sexual tension when I talk to a girl because I’m not even trying to give off sexual vibes until I’ve gotten to know her better. Most guys will just give off that sexual vibe immediately, but I don’t
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:56 AM
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I’m not really looking down on women. I’m just trying to follow a technique in order to get the results I want, but I’m clearly being too clinical with it and giving off the wrong energy. As for treating women like friends, that’s almost exactly what I’m doing. Cuz with guys (who most of my friends are), I only get along with people who have big goals and aspirations. That’s attractive to me both in platonic and sexual contexts. All the women I’m friends with are also living out their dreams and…
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:53 AM
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I think I just want to be pined over. I see my friends who aren’t as successful or in as good of a place in life as me and within 2 seconds women will be all over them, no words even exchanged. It makes me feel like I’m on the outside looking in. I dress well, eat well, have a great social life, do cool shit (just recorded at in Manchester, playing in Austin this March, going on tour later in the summer). Funny thing is that I feel great about myself, but it’s not translating to my success with …
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:40 AM
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I’ll take everything you said and mull it over. I really am not trying to come off as a narcissist during conversation, but at the same time, I’d say my goal is to be pined over, which in a sense is a narcissistic tendency. I’m trying to control my feelings of being a simp by using these techniques to create distance, but instead of doing the hot-cold thing, I am just coming off cold
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:36 AM
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I guess I get confused when they say “make the girl qualify to you at all times” “hold frame” etc. Seems like I follow these principles and it doesn’t lead anywhere
/r/seduction04/02/22 07:29 AM
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Just based on the discussions I’ve seen in this sub, seduction doesn’t have to do with a date or a party. I’m trying to get the girl to qualify herself to me (because supposedly that’s what’s going to make me irresistible to women) but it hasn’t come true, even though I place her attractiveness below many other factors like her job, her temperament, her knowledge of pop culture and the world etc
/r/seduction04/02/22 06:59 AM
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Well I just get confused because in this seduction sub, the common thread is that I should be making the girl qualify herself to me at all times. I’m showing that her looks aren’t everything, but that mode of action isn’t translating into interest from other girls
/r/seduction04/02/22 06:56 AM
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Yeah maybe you’re right. I think I just get confused because there’s this whole philosophy with seduction that says don’t chase the girl, make her chase you, and I guess that perspective hasn’t benefitted me yet
/r/seduction04/02/22 06:55 AM
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You should probably stop doing drugs. You seem like a bright person, even if you haven’t done much yet. I don’t think anyone needs to explain that doing drugs (especially nitrous and opiates) will take a huge toll on your mind. If you don’t wanna get clean, and you don’t want to do anything else, no one can say anything to you. You asked the question “how do I not get discouraged?” The answer is by failing. Only by failing will you understand that everyone has to go through this. Riding a bike, …
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:06 AM
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Well if that’s pain, what’s your current existence?
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:00 AM
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Why be ashamed? As you clearly say, there aren’t many people that you are close with. I would take this time to become better. You don’t need to be ashamed if no one is there to pay attention
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:49 AM
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Do you have a job? If so, why haven’t you been fired or left that job? Because you’re somewhat qualified for that job. Take pride in that! Honestly, people bash themselves for not having done much, but you should atleast feel pride in something! If you don’t feel pride in yourself, you’ll never get anything to happen for you. Take some psychedelics maybe. Honestly, the things that I get discouraged by are things that seem too unattainable. But that’s also because I want the absolutely best immed…
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:45 AM
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Hey there OP, I hear your story and I feel you. I’ve been in your place at many stages in my life for many reasons. Sometimes it was insecurity, sometimes it was drugs. Sometimes it was my surroundings, and sometimes it’s my health. You’re insecure and you’re open about that, but think of other factors. Do you use/abuse drugs? It could cause anhedonia and add an overall sense of feeling alien to every interaction. You’re taking care of some people, so you’re attention is needed. We have two chal…
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:40 AM
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I’d say you’re right that you’re living rent free in people’s heads....people go here for constructive feedback and you’re laughing in a dudes face for being in a complicated web of intimacy and sex. You’re annoying, and that will cause people to want to react to that. The downvotes suggest that if we weren’t on Reddit, you’d be demonstrating anti-social traits among your peers, which would lead to you not being high-value. He looked at your post to see if your crudeness and lack of poise was a …
/r/seduction23/01/22 06:14 AM
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Bro one of the hottest girls I met literally would fart and shit and it would smell like roses. Or atleast something floral. She didn’t have a spray or a candle in the bathroom, so I know it wasn’t a masking agent. Some girls be like that
/r/seduction23/01/22 06:04 AM
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I honestly think it’s just tall skinny fuckboi vibes with MGK and maybe the party-stoner mommas boys who rubs shoulders with Cudi and Kanye. Plus he’s actually funny at times soo
/r/seduction21/01/22 04:11 AM
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Lol apparently so does MGK but when they were in their underwear during their Calvin Klein online campaign, neither of them had anything you could even see, and they are the skinniest mfkers around
/r/seduction21/01/22 03:40 AM
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Hey OP, I just wanted to say that I hear your post loud and clear. There are some folks here who are commenting and telling you to stop whining, and while I do believe that is very good advice, no one is explaining WHY you should do that. Let me break it down like this: All the superficial traits you’re acknowledging in this post (height, face, chad aesthetics etc) are all things that get men attention. Trust me when I say that there are very few times a girl will say yes to a date to someone th…
/r/seduction12/01/22 05:06 AM
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The friends thing is tough because I am also a bit of a lone wolf. It’s just important that you have places where you can go to meet new people. Those friends you have in different cities? Find a local version of them. As for the virginity part, it’s really tough in this climate tbh. Not having had sex can fuck with a young guy because girls expect you to have had sex, and if you haven’t, there must be something wrong with you. Never tell a girl you’re a virgin unless it’s a SO and this is a few…
/r/seduction10/01/22 11:35 PM
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Let me just say a few things and hopefully some of them will click with you. First off, only engage with a prompt if you can talk about it for atleast a minute or two. It shows well-roundedness in a matter of topics and it allows you to slowly warm up in a social interaction. Mind you, it’s online, but the same principle applies in face to face interactions as well. Secondly, you need to make more friends in your vicinity. I think that’s a character building exercise that will give you more conf…
/r/seduction10/01/22 07:11 AM
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Uhhh exceptionally might be a stretch there buddy haha. I think confidence is more important. In most non-science related fields, confidence will always matter more. Being good is important too (you need both) but confidence is what takes someone from being a 2 to being a 10
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:25 PM
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Thank you for this. I read it many times and it gave me peace. You make a great point about my relationship with certain circles and its correlation to the women I get, but screening those traits is a bit difficult, you only see that side a couple months into something. I’ll be more vigilant in trying to identify independent women, but every women comes off pretty independent these days.
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:25 PM
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I think the difference between your story and OP’s is that your girl actually treated you like a friend. It wasn’t just conversation and being ignored on text. She basically cracked the door open and you got to put your best foot forward with no anxiety of outcome. She saw you for what you were and liked it, but that’s only after her making time to spend with you. As friends do. Talking at work and texting afterwards is not a friendship
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:08 PM
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I’m so torn on this perspective because I see both your side and OP’s. From your side, it’s just that she wasn’t sexual with him, but that’s every person choice. Nothing wrong with that right? But from OP’s side, it’s kinda shitty when a girl you got friend zoned by is almost rubbing salt in your wounds. Unless the person is really open around others, they usually will save relationship details for their close friends. And typically those friends are girls, or at the very least a core group of f…
/r/seduction06/01/22 07:04 PM
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So my only advice is to practice. And the only way I can think of trying to remove approach anxiety is to treat women like an instrument. When I was a beginner, I could only play whatever I practiced on one guitar. As I got better, I could play it on a different guitar, but it wouldn’t quite sound right. I’m now at a place where I can play any guitar pretty flawlessly. You can be like that with women, you just need to start. Make an ass of yourself with strangers, and then you’ll slowly pick up …
/r/seduction05/01/22 09:30 AM
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Yeah man we’re not the same people. I’m 24, turning 25 soon.
/r/seduction02/01/22 11:49 AM
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I’m a multi-instrumentalist. I play drums, guitar, bass, and the keys
/r/seduction01/01/22 11:54 AM
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No that’s not me. I made my only account in 2020 and this is it
/r/seduction01/01/22 11:53 AM
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I think for me, Elon might just be a poster child for an awkward way of speaking but is actually pretty smart. I’m not saying Elon is a genius, but he definitely demonstrates that obsessive nature that all people on the spectrum display to some degree, and that obsessiveness can trump intelligence. Hard working is a very important trait to have, arguably more than being intelligent. If, despite you being on the spectrum, can write a sentence that can attempt to describe the minutiae of your emot…
/r/seduction30/12/21 07:16 AM
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I do like me some Rach, but I don’t remember talking about it with anyone here. Could be tho! That’d be interesting haha. The Elon comment was to say that if he’s on the spectrum, it’s probably not as far down as it can go since he wrote a pretty decent paragraph (I wrote a decent one too and so did you) so I was just trying to say that we’re still smart and capable and valuable. Our “defects” are not as severe as we may paint them to be
/r/seduction30/12/21 07:06 AM
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I didn’t know it was like that in the 90’s! Definitely want a balance, insecure women are really horrible to deal with, so having women be aware that they’re beautiful, but it not having such a great effect on us is the real goal
/r/seduction29/12/21 07:38 AM
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I guess me writing this post is perfect then because I am on the spectrum. I’m 5’10”, 27% body fat, and 205 lbs. I’m definitely not some genetic specimen. And as far as status goes, I work as a musician and the biggest anxiety is gauging whether I’m “falling off” or whether I passed my prime. We all have insecurities. If you’re speaking strictly from a seduction standpoint, I’m not saying that everyone will get 10’s, but you shouldn’t self loathe just because you can’t get a girl. That self loat…
/r/seduction29/12/21 07:37 AM
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Yeah I’m glad you saw the nuance to what I’m saying. People are addicted to this, and the worst part is that some of those people don’t even know that
/r/seduction29/12/21 03:59 AM
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I guess you just don’t get it then
/r/seduction29/12/21 02:35 AM
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Again, this is sensationalized language used to prove a point about how people view these concepts of online voyeurism. They are colloquialism that are common in our lexicon. It’s not a male exclusive language. There are just certain archetypes of fitness models or swimsuit models that get put under this umbrella term.
/r/seduction29/12/21 02:34 AM
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Lol I did say that. You’re right as fuck. My bad. That language was sensationalized to prove a point. At the end of the day, they are allowed to do whatever they want and it’s not a problem. At all. Everyone is entitled to their own bag. However, what I wrote has a lot of nuance that is perhaps going over your head. Think about the idea that these women can make so much money and gain so much attention and notice within modern pop culture. They’re making money off of our primal needs, and my poi…
/r/seduction29/12/21 02:31 AM
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Definitely not slut shaming at all. I’m just saying guys are paying too much attention to women. Let them do whatever they want. Also, as far as slut shaming goes, I didn’t even mention the word slut once sooo
/r/seduction29/12/21 02:20 AM
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I agree 100% with this, I think as a society we are very performance-based. That our performance will lead to acceptance from our peers. And this filters into seduction where think supplicative actions like always being available, buying things, and putting other people before you is at best going to to lead to people using you, and at worst will destroy your self confidence and ego
/r/seduction29/12/21 01:36 AM
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Hahaha holy shit that is fucking hilarious. Reminds me of a time that I went over to a FWB place and she forgot to flush. I told her about it and she spent the whole night tryna make me forget about it
/r/seduction28/12/21 11:43 PM
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Well said. It’s hard to break the primal urge to look at and adore a beautiful woman, but being strong enough to glaze over that is a true form of strength and restraint that only the best of us can have. I still struggle with that
/r/seduction28/12/21 10:54 PM
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This is hilarious and more common than you think, I met a girl who was convinced that cum was the best moisturizer and would rub it all over her face, let it harden, and then rinse it off before bed. It’s pretty awesome tbh
/r/seduction28/12/21 10:13 PM
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Haha you’re right, I just feel like the movement would be sick because women would be flabbergasted. “So I can’t just use my body to tease men and gain validation? Well fuck, I guess I better start buying them flowers!” Or some shit like that lol
/r/seduction28/12/21 10:11 PM
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Truthfully she would only be interesting to me if she were naked or had my dick in her mouth. Otherwise, she was snobby, overly privileged, went to art school (I love artists don’t get me wrong) but could not discuss grand themes and issues between eras of art. I’ve had fuck buddies and I’ve had relationships and this just seemed like the worst of both. And she was a negative experience, but I’ve had a lot of positive ones with smart, intelligent, kind, horny, and beautiful women so I urge more …
/r/seduction28/12/21 10:06 PM
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You could just have decent dopamine receptors. Probably are athletic, have low body fat, don’t abuse cannabis or cocaine, and your frequency of masturbation is probably max 2 a day. I’m just guessing so I would be curious if any of those points are right just for my own anecdotal reference
/r/seduction28/12/21 08:19 PM
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I mean, we all are enabling them. That’s kinda why I proposed a no digital stimulus policy. And I’m not talking down on women at all. I’ve been doing my best to not go for digital stimulus and only for the real thing and it’s been great for me. I’m actually trying to say that women are multi faceted and sex is just one part of their personality (just like in my story, the girl had an awful personality once I removed the sex) so being pussy-hungry only serves to overshadow their other qualities. …
/r/seduction28/12/21 08:15 PM
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Using the word pussy in this context was to sensationalize my idea, which at its core is just “sex is a powerful force and we allow it to sway too much of our behaviour”. And I’m not even classifying women as pussy. Pussy and women are almost two different categories because pussy symbolizes the carnal urge, while women are full on people who aren’t only sexual, but have incredible facets to them because, well, they’re actual human beings. Somehow you misinterpreted my words, but that’s ok
/r/seduction28/12/21 08:02 PM
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“Women are people, and by you treating them like women and not people, you’re making them have a hard time knowing you...” is from my rant here. A bit roughly worded, but it also argues against the objectification of women, which is also largely perpetuated by these images of thots and hoes
/r/seduction28/12/21 07:57 PM
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Definitely not advocating for verbal assault. I’m just saying that there’s no need for this fear of rejection with your words. Often enough, feeling that fear will actually make you choose the wrong, more cringe response
/r/seduction28/12/21 02:36 PM
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Love yourself and none of this will matter. It seems like you haven’t even begun the process of thinking you’re awesome, and that’s why you’re so hung up on these women. Your inability to look at porn or women and gain any stimulus could be in part due to obsessive masturbation and/or porn watching, causing your dopamine system to become de-regulated (causes anhedonia, apathy, low motivation, decreased sex drive, etc) or you might have a small prolactinoma or maybe your hormone levels are off! I…
/r/seduction26/12/21 02:38 AM
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That’s exactly it, she probably enjoyed being a ho but also realized that being a ho is not a long term strategy for growth and happiness. Much like my parallel with drugs.
/r/seduction26/12/21 01:15 AM
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As for women, there is no other answer besides going out there and doing it. You wanna learn some quick knife skills? Watching YouTube and reading books on how to use a knife won’t put the knife in your hand and make you a master chipper. Wanna play an instrument? Watching YouTube videos and reading books won’t put a guitar in your hands and make you strum those chords. Practice makes perfect, practice makes perfect, practice makes perfect
/r/seduction25/12/21 11:18 PM
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Hey man, just seeing this now. It seems like you have a lot going on! Are all of these things your true interests, or are they projections of what you think someone “successful” should be doing? I spoke about this in another thread, but I often see two types of people who lack confidence. There are people who have trauma that doesn’t allow them to do anything cuz they feel “less” than others, and the second person does a ton of things in order to not feel “less”. Your confidence should come from…
/r/seduction25/12/21 11:16 PM
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People laugh from awkwardness as well. She could be simultaneously enjoying her past while also being like “damn you really did that” and is now in a different place. Coming from my experience with drugs, I’ve had partners ask me about my past and I would briefly revel in my debauchery, but I was also ashamed. Now the only caveat I add is that I’ve reflected on my past, but I have also fumbled and had a few benders since quitting my bender days. She could do the same... that’s something you’ll h…
/r/seduction25/12/21 10:38 PM
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You are worthy of loving yourself. You are. Morally, there are people who are much uglier, stupider and morally unsound than you that are happy. The only difference is that they have goals that they strive to accomplish, and they enjoy who they are as people. Love yourself
/r/seduction23/12/21 02:29 AM
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You’re just “using” your degree in one frame; a self defeating frame. As someone who also did philosophy/psych double major, imagine how many fucked up case studies I’ve read on and yet that doesn’t shake my core belief of myself. You’re just overthinking because you’re scared that if you actually gave 6 months of attention to the things you lack (improving on conversing, being sexy with women, having a good date, etc) you may actually accomplish it, but it would become a new standard of how you…
/r/seduction23/12/21 01:08 AM
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Lol everyone’s like she’s either telling me that I belong in the friend zone or I need to pounce
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:41 PM
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Thank you, I get the feeling that she wants me to take charge. I like to be smooth, so I didn’t wanna kiss her in front of her roomies when I left last night. Next date I’ll make my moves
/r/seduction08/11/21 07:29 PM
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She did? Damn I didn’t realize that. I get the feeling she likes me but is nervous to act on it. How did she tell me I’m trying too hard?
/r/seduction08/11/21 08:30 AM
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Damn you think so? I am hoping that it’s just a nervous trait of hers/shit test because I honestly think she does like me. Let’s say you’re right, how can I know for sure?
/r/seduction08/11/21 08:28 AM
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Hey man I think she probably wasn’t convinced by you trying to tell her that this other girl isn’t a big deal. Cuz in my mind, you wouldn’t really fuck someone you don’t like, and especially if this girl is treating you so well and she is hearing that there’s some other girl that does nothing in comparison to her and that girl is also enjoying your company, that could annoy some people. Compound that with the uncertain answer of “I’ll think about it” probably pissed her off because she felt like…
/r/seduction07/11/21 05:25 AM
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So I’ve only had this happen once. Went to see a local band play with this girl that I genuinely had no expectations for anything with. Went back to her place to have some drinks and she randomly said “we aren’t sleeping with each other tonight” and I said “cool?” in a way that made her assumptions about me seem completely off. I asked if I could sleep over because it was late and the bus stopped running. Within 10 minutes she was on top of me. I know that if I ever hear those words in the futur…
/r/seduction01/11/21 06:29 PM
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So I messaged her yesterday to come to a party and she was down! Only reason she couldn’t come is because the person who lived at the house decided to not have more people, so I had to tell her that she shouldn’t come by. She said it’s too bad but we should hang soon. Do you think there is room for more than friendship? It’s been two months since I’ve seen her, so honestly just being friends isn’t the worse, but I’m curious what other people think of this situation
/r/seduction21/10/21 11:25 PM
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If you were on the bus with a cute girl, what kind of game would you talk in order to achieve a same day lay? I honestly struggle to walk the line between seductive and just blatant “I wanna fuck the shit outta you”.
/r/seduction20/10/21 09:47 PM
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I’m sorry that you had to see that change, I totally get how you might have felt cheated in a way because you’re absolutely right to think that if things are like a certain way now, they will stay like that. 6 years is a really long time to hold onto the image of someone, and as someone who’s been in that mindset of “the evil I know” or “this is what I deserve” or a multitude of emotional mindsets that fall under that category, I know how hard it is to feel happy, but also to let go. I hope in t…
/r/seduction28/09/21 03:47 AM
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It can be very tough to invest a lot into a person and not have it be returned. But I also believe, from the wording of this post, that this person was the most important thing in your life, but at the same time, they could have been anyone. What I mean by that is that you just liked the attention given to you, and it could have come from anyone with a similar voice, height, physique, and common interests. I just broke up with a girl because she was like that. We would talk a lot, and communicat…
/r/seduction28/09/21 01:46 AM
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