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VAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 01:57 AM
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CMVVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:14 PM
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CMVVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 05:25 PM
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DebateVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:37 PM
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CMVVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 08:53 PM
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VAOTOMARNOCU/r/RedPillBooks25/10/18 07:38 PM
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Question For MenVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 02:55 PM
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VAOTOMARNOCU/r/askTRP31/03/18 10:47 AM
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CMVVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:12 PM
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Question for WomenVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:27 PM
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DiscussionVAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 09:31 PM
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VAOTOMARNOCU/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 12:57 AM
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I think the primary contributor is actually male passivity (anxiety about approaching/escalating). Most women are not assertive enough to turn down a horny male who's aggressively pursuing her, even if he's ugly However, since most men nowadays are pussies who are too scared to make a move (and women have no reason to make a move either), there is less sex happening
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:16 PM
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"But they're secret feminists!" Haven't seen them claiming this either Which is dumb because women benefit alot more when they're self-proclaimed feminists Does not match my experience. From a dating standpoint, most high value men despise feminism, which means feminists end up with subpar men or single. From a financial standpoint, most companies don't give a crap about your gender beliefs, they want efficiency. The most "successful" feminists I know are college professors lecturing nonsensical…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:04 PM
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guys here thinking all women are "da evul feminazis dat wanna tak dey munny!" Curious where you've seen an RPer claim this, because I don't recall it. In fact, TRP itself acknowledges only a minority of women are self-procclaimed feminists (IIRC a study said it was something like 15% or so)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:22 PM
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I cannot relate at all to this. When I was a virgin, I was extremely sexually anxious, but I still got really hard for the women I found attractive. I did struggle with premature ejaculation though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:18 PM
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But TRPers pale in comparison to "naturals," no matter how much practice they have This is often not true because most "systemizers" are often far superior to "naturals" in many areas such as intelligence, earning potential, creativity. And while they might be inferior in looks/confidence, those two can be acquired over time (unlike the previously mentioned traits) A great example of this is my boss, a 37 year old INTJ lawyer who has an insanely high SMV. He is rich, handsome, smart, and he also…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:07 PM
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That's a ridiculous argument because the only reason abortion laws are even discussed is the fact that society understands and respects the fact not all women are ready to be mothers (from which we conclude not all men are ready to be fathers) If it were about "bodily autonomy", then the "bodily autonomy" of the fetus should be respected by not killing him. If I glued your body between my arms, does that mean I can now legally kill you since you are technically inside my body now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 11:18 AM
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not exactly. some people have difficulty talking about their thoughts and find it easier to just keep it pinned inside. for some people it takes extra effort to tell their thoughts than otherwise. Yes, because they are afraid of how people will react to their thoughts. Not because it's "easier to keep it pinned inside". In the first opportunity, these thoughts will come out in cathartic relief For example, imagine a 12 y.o boy is madly in love with his crush, but she doesn't know it. He talks ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 10:51 AM
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Because, to the law, men and women are equal, theoretically
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:57 PM
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That doesn't make sense, what he said is logically perfect. Resources are not infinite, therefore infinite human reproduction is impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:55 PM
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Debating dating mechanics with normies unironically LUL. That's a terrible idea, and the very reason they created this sub. If you want serious discussions you need to come here. With normies you just banter/flirt (e.g, you should've answered that girl with "women are not people, they're angels xD)" That said, the real answer is that men and women are not equal and it is therefore illogical to treat them equally. Treat men exactly how you'd like to be treated, and treat women the way TRP describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:31 PM
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True, but the things you're talking about aren't really "charisma"; more accurately, you're talking about physicality. I agree with u/insertthrowaway998 because I've had similar experiences. I've seen highly social dudes struggle with women, and I've been to parties without any friends and still brought a cutie home
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:14 PM
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Teach kids the importance of physical attractiveness, even give them grooming classes and shit. Force them to exercise 1 hour a day as well Make the women hot so more men will want to chase them, but also make the men hot so we don't have 80% of women fucking 20% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 06:58 PM
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Mystery and excitement are contextual things. Full disclosure is always less mysterious (& therefore less exciting) than deliberately keeping certain things hidden. I also disagree that it's easier to be honest. It definitely is. Being honest is just expressing what you think, and thoughts WANT to come out, which means it actually takes effort NOT to express them. It also requires no skill, unlike elaborating a plausible story, which requires a lot of creativity, logical accuracy and empathy. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 06:44 PM
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I think these so called "attachment styles" are BS, seeing as I went from anxious AFC to avoidant plate-spinner to secure boyfriend in the span of 3 years Going from beta (anxious) to alpha (avoidant or secure) is a matter of skill with women, which depends on how many women you've approached. Then you simply choose between avoidant or secure depending on whether you want to spin plates forever or establish a solid LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:29 PM
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Of course it's the rationalization hamster trying to buffer the fear of rejection, in 99% of the cases. (The remaining 1% are already well-established men in positions of power consciously avoiding women for the risk they pose, e.g Mike Pence) However, that doesn't mean the current misandric cultural climate does not disincentive sexial behavior from men. You know this is true when 25% of millennials think asking someone out for a drink is sexual harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 01:22 PM
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Huh? I was simply using my experience as support of his argument. I'm not even an incel anymore lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 07:10 PM
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"Like attracts like" does not mean that there's a soulmate for everyone, and it doesn't magically make unattractive traits attractive. Then it shouldn't be worded as "like attracts like", when a more accurate wording would be "winners attract everyone and losers attract no one" Famous actors/actresses more often than not date each other, More accurately, "famous actors/actress pretend to date each other in order to gain media points whilst cheating on each other" upper middle class people by and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 07:07 PM
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I mean Nippard's GF is hot as fuck, and she was with him before fame iirc. Dudes who look like that definitely have an easy time dating But even then, the point is that you don't really need to be a 9/10. The dudes on TrueRateMe gave my face a 6, yet I receive IOIs almost every day due to my physique
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:39 PM
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Height: Chadlets exist. Take someone like Jeff Nippard for instance Face: well, from taking a quick glance at r/incelselfies, these dudes have pretty okay faces, but are just either skinny or fat. If they became ripped, a lot of girls would consider them hot Bone structure: this actually changes over time with lifting and diet
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:27 PM
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'Like attracts like' is such a fundamental part of how people pair off If "like attracts like", then male incels should attract female incels, but in reality the two repel each other. "Like attracts like" is a just-world fallacy, the correct rule is "attractiveness attracts everything and unattractiveness repels everything" And why mention myers-briggs type at all? Might as well mention she's a scorpio. You have no idea how psychological types work, read this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:16 PM
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There is a correlation, but yeah. Modern edjukayshon doesn't teach you critical thinking/logical reasoning/etc, it only indoctrinates you with leftist propaganda and useless facts
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 04:35 PM
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1 year of serious lifting + diet is enough for 70% of men to become Chad. For 29% of men, make it 3 years. For the remaining 1%, make it 10
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:36 PM
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I wouldn't date a girl before having sex with her, but I don't care about blowjobs or anal or other kind of kink. Speaking for myself, but I think vanilla missionary never gets old, assuming you love the girl
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:27 PM
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some of them even believing their existence is a nuisance to girls Spot on. It's really fucking hard to change your character. If you've grown up in the bottom 20% of your peers as a child, even as you move up the ladder your brain continues to believe you're a loser I remained incel for like a year after becoming good looking, simply because I didn't have the confidence to ask out any girl, even though I was receiving lots of clear IOIs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:19 PM
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Lol I've fucked nerdy girls before. It doesn't take "finesse", it just takes being hot and/or having game Also they aren't nearly as enthusiastic or fun as the non-nerds. And though they think they're smart, they believe in nonsensical ideas such as feminism, and when I've debated them on it, they always resort to fallacies Overall I don't see the appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:50 PM
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Why do blue pill fools push this idiocy that "like attracts like"? For starters, everyone with half a brain knows personality means shit as far as sexual attraction is concerned, compared to traits such as physical attractiveness and sociosexuality (in other words, looks & game). Which means your "slutty librarian" unicorn will only give a fuck about the "intelligent book smart man" if he's hot And even in your hypothetical Disney fantasy world where hypergamy doesn't exist, this argument still …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:42 PM
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Because beta
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 09:10 PM
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Well, I thought the male sex drive also decreased after fatherhood? Does marriage really evolve into a point where the man has no choice but to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 09:10 PM
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We live in the society of the prisoner's dilemma
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 07:43 PM
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Nah, only red pilled ones. A lot of the successful stable guys are bp betas who'll wife up the first thot whose pussy he can sniff And even then, just because a man isn't wealthy, doesn't mean he's automatically a deadbeat. There are plenty of well-meaning working class men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 01:15 AM
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Blaming the men for abandoning the kid would be like blaming the criminals for the crime rates. They're obviously the main agents causing the crisis, but they cannot be influenced It's impossible to educate assholes/deadbeats/criminals/etc into responsible men, but it's easy to educate women into not fucking those
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 01:09 AM
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None of what you said is wrong, but that mindset is detrimental to developing a family and raising healthy kids, which is ultimately something most women crave Even the most hardcore RP alphas, if they value family, will choose to settle down and marry (despite of the self-sabotaging aspect of this strategy)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:58 AM
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Because insecurity sells, and fat women are a lot more insecure than fat men If some random brand drops a "you are beautiful despite being fat" psy-ops, fat women will say "YES!" and reward such brand with cash and attention. Meanwhile fat men don't give a shit edit: that isn't to say fat acceptance has never targeted men. They do target fat soyboys (who are as insecure as fat women) every now and them, and those react similarly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:41 AM
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They respect his efforts, even if they know he's a criminal. Movies are made about big heists, some people applaud them and go as far as to say "he deserves the money". Meanwhile the first guy is just a random asshole The question is irrelevant because it misses the point. Let me try a different analogy: a pedo offers two equally rich single mothers, respectively, a million dollars and a hundred dollars for each one's daughters. Both refuse the offer. Are they equally moral or is the first one m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:17 AM
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Irrelevant question, but yes, everyone respects the second dude more than the first one
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:54 PM
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A lesser tool than the cheating woman
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:46 PM
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Not really, I've never cheated on my GFs and I still stand by what I said All that is being discussed here is: do you believe virtue is proportional to effort, or not? A billionaire who donates 100$ to charity is as virtuous as a working class man who makes 20k/y donating the same amount?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:42 PM
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Whoever believes in "I love you, I'm just not in love with you!" in 2019 might as well buy snake oil. In real life, satisfied women don't cheat And even then that's not the point. Regardless of gender, cheating is objectively wrong; same as stealing a loaf of bread, regardless of one's financial power. However, sex is far more valuable for men than for women (much like the bread is far more valuable for the starving boy than the rich one), therefore, the cheating man is less morally corrupt than…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:21 PM
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I do. Cheating man > cheating woman Female sex drive is almost infinitely lower, which means she has no reason to cheat other than not really liking her spouse If a poor, starving boy and a rich one stole a loaf of bread each, which one is easier to forgive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 08:35 PM
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Well, it's a matter of perspective. Men will say it's childish, it's unfair that he's "expected to read minds", whilst women will say it's fun, and it's his fault for not being "socially aware enough" Who is right? Doesn't matter. It's one of various ways in which men and women are different, you either accept it or quit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 08:28 PM
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It's very hard for men to understand it, but female attraction for a man is proportional to two aspects: 1. how psychollogically strong (or "confident") the man is, and 2. how much he desires her A shit test is an unconscious way of effectively testing those two at once. So in order to pass that, your answer should be one that indicated that you: 1. are unaffected by her games, and 2. still like her despite it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:50 PM
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Yeah, and I've seen purple pill dating coaches such as Mark Manson advocate this fallacy as well. I think the only girls who never shit test are either autistic or are so insanely attracted to you that it doesn't even matter. And unless you're a billionaire super-model, it's more likely it's the former
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:40 PM
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Sounds like it was a shit test and you failed it But you will learn how to woman one day, I believe
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:33 PM
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Stoicism. I am quite logical and emotionally restrained I've dated girls who were like that as well (usually IxTx girls, in mbti terms), and while they're extremely easy to get along with, we only talk about ideas or common interests and the relationship becomes dull, superficial, lacking in emotional depth
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 03:51 PM
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Every woman CRAVES the feeling of being desired, of looking in her man's eyes and feeling all his uncontrollable passion for her. It's hot as fuck When a woman says no to a clumsy beta who asks if she wants to have sex, it's not that she doesn't mean it. The very fact he is asking is such a turn-off that she really can't fuck him; but if said beta actually pursues her like a fucking man, then it turns her on and the "no" becomes a "yes"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:32 PM
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My humor style literally hasn't changed in 10 years, but it was only after I became ripped that girls started laughing at my jokes. Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:10 PM
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No, I cut all contact with all the thots who friendzoned me in the past. The girls whom I still talk to, I don't have any sexual interest in That said, I think I'd leave my current GF for my ex, if she still lived here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 10:14 PM
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Yes. In both men and women. After a certain looks/intelligence threshold is cleared, it all comes down to personality preferences And personality-wise, IME it seems opposites attract each other, that is, extroverts prefer introverts, and feelers prefers thinkers (and vice and versa). In general, I think the polarity keeps the relationship stable but still fresh
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:36 PM
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Lol you seem have no idea what the typical social life of a college student is like
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:11 PM
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I'm just pointing out that even in your example, the "I'm not like that anymore" claim is a fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 09:25 PM
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Then whoever marries her will expect her to be as eager to please him, and dump her if she isn't because it's proof she doesn't find him attractive, not that "she isn't like that anymore"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 09:12 PM
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And there's nothing wrong with that. But if a woman enjoys doing that stuff, then by definition it's not an act, that's her true identity. The act is when she later tries to fool herself and others by saying she's not like that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 05:44 PM
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Holy shit, that article is so relatable it's scary. Sums up the story of my first relationship (the end of which led me to RP): met a girl who made a move on me, which I understood as "she loves me so much she took upon herself the risk of rejection", only to find out she didn't give a fuck and cheated on me multiple times
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 04:29 PM
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Lol what kind of friends DEMAND you play 8 hours a day? The only people who even play that much don't even have friends
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 03:39 PM
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If someone plays video games 8 hours a day, you call him a gaming addict, and then he replies "oh I don't actually enjoy video games, I only play them because of my friends", would you believe him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 02:40 PM
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And as I've said, that's coherent if they only do it once. Which is not the case with cc riders
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 01:50 PM
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Well, that's a strange assumption to make because "going wild" is far more chaotic and requires a lot more energy than being laid back about sex Why would they go out of their way to act like that if they didn't even enjoy it? I guess you could argue that "they've been socially manipulated to do it", which is coherent if they only do it once, figure they hate it, and never do it again. But when we talk about CC riders, we're referring to women who'll spend years in this "phase"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 01:45 PM
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Make them sexually attracted to gentle/caring behavior from men, rather than what happens in reality (which is the total opposite) Women are greatly turned on by a man who acts like a sex-deprived savage beast, rips her clothes off and pretty much runs her down with his dick, but the same woman will friendzone the loving guy who'd gladly listen to her problems & be sensitive to her needs. Even if the two dudes look the same!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 01:20 PM
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Sounds about right. I've seen a lot of dudes who look like that date fat/ugly chicks IRL And they are never psychologically well adjusted dudes, they are usually unconfident or at the very least shy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:08 PM
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It just so happens that current DNA self selects men into attractive and unattractive in ratios that mirror a 20/80 split. Not even that. Everyone's DNA is capable of beauty, but it depends on how well you eat, exercise, groom, etc. And 80% of men autopilot through those aspects That said, while beauty is indeed not a zero-sum game, at the end of the day a woman's sexual imperative is still to choose the one best man. Any woman who is in the top 1% of beauty will have like 20+ extremely hot men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 01:56 PM
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Chemstry = thin, cute, under 25, and receptive If she's hot but is completely unavailable (e.g is cold, doesn't care, stays looking at her phone), then it's a turn off
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:14 PM
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My parents still believe that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 08:59 PM
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Why do women try so hard to make this seem gender neutral when it clearly isn't? Everyone knows the difference between how a grieving woman and a grieving man are treated
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 08:58 PM
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It seems the only way marriage can survive through that kind of crap and last til death is when both partners become too fat/ugly and have no choice but to stay together And yet everyone believes their partner loves them unconditionally. Reality is cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 08:37 PM
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"How are men supposed to trust their wives when feminism/mainstream culture tells them to be man-hating cunts" Same answer: by being so attractive that none of that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 07:22 PM
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Betas
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:48 PM
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Most men nowadays are pussies and cannot approach
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:56 PM
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Would only date men who are extroverted and logical (ExTx types in mbti), at least a 7 looks-wise, and in good shape. The rest comes by itself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:52 PM
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If marriage is a bad deal for men, then it's a good deal for women. So a woman is foolish for not taking advantage of that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:19 PM
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"If dating BPD chicks is such a bad deal for men, why do they keep dating BPD chicks?" The answer is the same: thirst
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:15 PM
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Because most men nowadays are insecure as fuck. And since women hate male insecurity (more accurately, are greatly turned off by it), they'd rather lie than trigger that shit by even implying the dude isn't so hot in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:26 PM
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a Christian girl especially middle class with married parents. My second GF was exactly like that, and I've never seen a better girl (not even my third and current GF!). If she hadn't moved away, I seriously think I'd have married her I'm a hard atheist and disdain Christianity, but I must admit the unicorn-to-thot ratio is far higher in that culture than the rest of society
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:02 PM
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Does not match my experience very well. It doesn't seem casual sex is happening by a sub-sect of people (of the "casual sex culture"), it's just that people who enjoy socializing and are somewhat attractive will occasionally engage in it for fun, even if they're relationship oriented Pretty much all the girls I've had NSA sex with are now in an LTR and quit having casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 08:18 PM
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If they were attractive, easy answer. Esp because I'm in a similar situation Current GF used to date a 10/10 6 ft tall blonde dude whose parents are insanely rich, and I'm somewhat insecure because I think he broke up with her, and if he decides he wants her back I can't contest it If that happens, I'm done with monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:42 PM
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I think women long for the feeling of being a mother, regardless of what the baby will look like. Which is why they will act as a mother even to cats
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:10 PM
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It's amazing how introversion is such a disadvantage. I have no idea why this personality trait even exists, it makes no sense whatsoever from an evolutionary standpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:03 PM
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Introverted girls still have it 1000x easier than introverted men in the dating market though. Like, just use tinder lol That said, as an introverted/logical man myself, the only girls I enjoy dating are extroverted/emotional ones. It seems opposites attract in this matter
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 09:47 PM
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I dislike using celebrities as examples because we can never know how loyal they are. E.g how do we know Paul McCartney never cheated on Linda? That said, there is a threshold where personality matters more than looks, which I estimate to be around 8 in looks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 02:45 PM
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No. And no one ever will. Also the only people who (incorrectly) think "there's no such thing as power-dynamics in my relationship, we are egalitarian" are women and beta males, who by definition feel inferior to their partner and want to cover that insecurity by pretending they're equal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 10:47 AM
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Impressive ANALogy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 10:34 AM
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Lol at people in this thread clumping MBTI together with astrology/psychics/etc as if those things are remotely comparable That said, excellent analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 08:14 PM
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It's very easy to tell apart a 7 from an 8, but higher than that it becomes harder and more subjective indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 05:50 PM
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If your point is that a woman's personality can affect her SMV/RMV, then I agree But looks are still king. An HB7 could have the "best personality" (this requires another discussion) in the world, and most men would still rather choose the HB8 with an average personality. As such, it's more effective for the woman to improve her looks from 7 to 8 than to develop a whole new personality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 03:03 PM
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Yeah but your argument ("welfare users can be useful for society by taking up low skill jobs") only supports his side ("therefore we don't need welfare since those people can survive by taking up those jobs")
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:14 PM
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Yeah I seen it, but it doesn't address OP's point (that is, welfare poses a net negative)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:08 PM
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Right, so why is welfare necessary?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:04 PM
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Wtf? I don't understand your post. Are you arguing that welfare enables people to do low skill jobs? That doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:01 PM
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23 yo male, have 5 close male friends and 1 female one (my gf) 2) No, wish I had more friends. Dunno about the exact amount, but basically friends = power, there's no reason to want less friends rather than more. Even as an introvert 3) Yes, we just stopped seeing each other every day and nobody cared to reignite the friendship. Which is a responsibility I now take upon myself with my current friendships 4) Not much, and I use it to randomly browse the internet and participate in abstract discus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 12:41 PM
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I never said it's not a valid choice. What I said is that the reason that choice is made is not because they don't want love/romance, but because they think the risks (heartbreak) are too great. Which even then is something I disagree with, but they're free to do whatever they want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 12:29 PM
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You're an INTP and you think that highly of humanity? That's unexpected
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 12:37 AM
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Eh, I think you're underestimating the loyalty of a BP nerd (or overestimating their street smarts lol). Also, the woman should have no problems forcing a marriage in order to divorce rape him later if he chooses to defect anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 12:35 AM
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Lol the Internet is generally cynical indeed, but this comment is so naive it's borderline stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 09:43 PM
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When she wraps your butt with her legs
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 07:39 PM
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Nah. Love/romance/sex are still a big part of life. And even people like mgtow/feminist spinsters who allegedly devalue those things (probably because they can't tolerate the risks involved) still spend hours talking about them...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 07:33 PM
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I know that. The point is that there are a lot of girls he could marry, and that is assuming he is foolish enough to want a marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 06:28 PM
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Missionary with eye contact. All the rest is low T
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 06:03 PM
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Making friends is so much easier. Back then I didn't understand why people would reject me, because what do you lose by befriending someone? However, nowadays I know it's because associating yourself with the ugly/awkward/ makes people perceive you as being of low status yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 06:02 PM
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if you were just a little more pragmatic in your youth you would have married an older man for money. Problem with that is: why would the older rich man marry you? I still think the safest strategy for women is to find a blue pilled smart but socially awkward nerd in college, then help him achieve his potential. Even if she isn't attracted to him, she can easily cheat on him since he'll forgive her anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:56 PM
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If you just wanna fuck bimbos/single moms/low quality women in general, OLD is indeed easier. High tier women, on the other hand, are not only rarer online (as compared to irl), but will only go for men in the top 0.01% of looks in such platforms
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 01:59 AM
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I mean, I guess 100 is a good number. But what are you gonna do after you "give up"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 01:03 AM
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Makes sense, it seems most men nowadays are pussies who can't deal with rejection I find it interesting that they'd rather looksmax into the top 5% to even stand a chance in OLD instead of simply approaching girls irl. But if it works, it works
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 10:45 AM
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That doesn't match my experience at all. Whenever I've had female bosses, literally all my coworkers and I behaved in a professional manner and did what we were expected to do. Do you have a source for the claim that "female bosses need to replace lots of male employees because they lack concentration due to sexual urges"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 10:34 PM
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What does it matter if men want to fuck our hypothetical female boss? What stops her from issuing orders and then replacing the men who aren't following them for ones who will?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 10:26 PM
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Feminism is concerned with sociological differences, not physical differences. Which is how we know they're full of shit, seeing as "sociological differences" only privilege them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 09:23 PM
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Well, being single (rather, sexless) is definitely bad. The problem is that those who are dating toxic partners have low self-esteem and therefore don't believe they can get someone better When you are experienced enough and have higher self-esteem, it's far easier to dump toxic partners
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 09:14 PM
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Point is that it doesn't really matter how they treat her as long as she makes the correct decisions and directs them properly For example, someone like Bill Gates has a very mild frame and is less likely to be respected/feared than a masculine, aggressive boss. And that doesn't prevent him from being one of the most successful businessmen in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 09:09 PM
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Why do people complain about "not being taken seriously"? If anything, it's a massive advantage. How is having low expectations a bad thing? When you prove you're objectively capable for any certain task, it doesn't really matter what people think of you E.g my current GF once told me: "I love your true personality. When I met you I thought you were just a jerk with a six pack" (hence my title)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:56 PM
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You can. It's called "dating a healthy man/woman" Of course, it's very hard to meet such people since everyone nowadays is crazy, but they still exist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:23 PM
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Nah, her English is pretty bad
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:19 PM
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It didn't affect my last relationship because my ex-GF was the most standard normie ever and didn't care at all about gender relations. My current one does though (and unfortunately is a feminist), so we occasionally discuss some topics and agree to disagree in a most of them as neither accepts the other's point of view. She doesn't know about this sub tho
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:02 PM
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I think it all comes down to one question: what do you find harder to obtain? Male friendships or sex? Personally I think friendships are a lot harder, so my answer is no
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 10:39 AM
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Oh, I actually knew what the concept of median meant, but I didn't know that was the word for it since I'm not a native speaker, mb
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:52 PM
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First one, she cheated on me at least twice and broke up with me. Second one was amazing, but she had to move away and I refused to do long distance
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:44 PM
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Yeah but that includes school dropouts/the unemployed/etc. I'd assume those men are hardly part of the social universe to which OP has access
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:19 PM
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Wtf? You are describing the textbook beta male. And they're everywhere When you look at your elementary/HS/college classes you honestly can't find any men who fit your criteria?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:47 PM
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Cognition-/personality-wise, agree. I was mostly talking about looks tho
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:40 PM
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I really don't know. I was really really crazy for my 1st and 2nd GFs, but I just like my current one. And it's weird because she's more attractive and more relatable (we have much more in common) than the other two
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:40 PM
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23, twice. I am currently at my third GF, who I like very much, but I feel like I don't love her as much as I did my first and second ones
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:48 PM
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That makes sense. Can you expand on "psychological femininity"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 04:23 PM
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I know 2 INTP women irl. One is a lesbian tomboy, the other is a cute slender HB7. I mean she doesn't have traditionally feminine interests/hobbies (she's a LoL player), but she looks as feminine as any xSFJ normie
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 04:02 PM
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Non lesbian INTP women are feminine and analytical. Can't believe you've never met one
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 03:48 PM
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I hate the idea of describing certain traits or behaviors as "masculinity/femininity" because it's too imprecise. E.g. nurturing is a trait traditionally associated with the feminine, but what about masculine men who are nurturing (they do exist)? Feminine women who are analytical? When I read "healthy femininity" I just think of a woman with healthy traits and habits, a woman who doesn't do any harm to others or herself
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 03:31 PM
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< 120 IQ Any personality type that is introverted or feeling (ExTx men are objectively superior to others) Uglier than a 6
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 03:20 PM
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TRP focuses solely on what attracts women. And "character" is irrelevant for that matter, as evidenced by the amount of guys who have good "character" and are virgins or the guys who have shitty "character" who get laid all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:57 PM
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And the "Strawman of the Year" Award goes to...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:50 PM
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Men (barring psychoptahs) actually value the bonds they form with their loved woman more than the better looks of a random woman, therefore are unlikely to trade her Even if he does cheat on her, it still does not affect his behavior towards her, nor makes it more likely that he leaves her (unlike the opposite) Men who are single at their prime are usually extremely cynical and weary of women. Good luck getting him to love you. Not to mention the competition, as they usually have a lot of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 08:11 PM
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Because "official" institutions can give carte blanche to lunatics who want to obtain power through absurd claims. I think this is worrying
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:57 PM
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Flirting isn't attractive per se, but (if done right) it shows social acuity and comfort with one's own sexuality, which are 2 attractive traits
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:49 PM
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You're not wrong, but you're focusing on the words instead of the intent, and thus missing the point of the post E.g the post is not about "who deserves sympathy or not" but rather a criticism of women's inconsistent behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:35 PM
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The men who are orbiting women are average, not bottom tier "obese missing teeth" ones. Though I guess the average man is automatically bottom tier to women Average men don't even have these bottom tier girls chasing them. They have nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:32 PM
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Not if they had a lot of options to choose from, which is the whole point I would never have dated my crazy borderline bimbo if I had a circle of female orbiters
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 01:24 PM
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I think I've never read a comment of yours that wasn't incredibly accurate. You should write a blog imo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 03:10 PM
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She doesn't even need to be beautiful. Male thirst is at an all time high in 2k19
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 02:24 PM
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I'm too intriguing, I know it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 09:59 PM
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Thanks, fellow eye and tea pee
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 09:31 PM
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But they studied that for FIVE YEARS dude. How can you not respect that authority??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 05:12 PM
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I have done it, but it didn't help me at all. Literally everything the therapist told me, I either already knew or was factually incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:51 PM
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I said "either incels or", which means I didn't include men who only fuck bimbos as incels Though I do consider them to be romantically unsuccessful (like incels), seeing as most men would rather have a cute girl
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 01:04 PM
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If by "having a better personality" you mean gaining 40 lbs of muscle, then yeah, that's what solved my issues
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 01:00 PM
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My point is that the "opportunity" is not even "there" when you're an average male in HS. If you're red pilled or extremely gifted genetically, yeah. But that's a minority of males and is in no way representative of the average male's experience
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:45 AM
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Ironically, the reason I took so long to answer it was because I was applyig the M. Can't be perfect in all areas
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:38 AM
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The problem with your argument is that you believe being around women is enough for them to be interested in you If you're average looking and lack game, it doesn't really matter that you're around tons of women. At best you're gonna get friendzoned over and over, which is the experience of many average men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:32 AM
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No, I want a citation that says that "you had many opportunities in HS as an average male". How hard is reading comprehension lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:07 AM
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factual information Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:02 AM
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Welcome to the real world, where powerful people will use their power the way they want If you're mad at women abusing their power, become powerful yourself. It's really that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:01 AM
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This is such bullshit. High school is like the apex of female hypergamy Only 20% of the boys in my HS class had GFs, and they were all much uglier than them. The rest were either incels or fucking random low tier bimbos
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:43 AM
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Red pill, feminism is a toxic pile of garbage, and only read non-fiction edit: I do read a lot of authors with whom I ideologically disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:31 PM
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/thread Don't understand these idealistic fools who think they'll find a girl who never shit-tests them. Unless of course they go for one much lower than their SMV (dumpster dive) That said, there are girls who do it in a mean-spirited way, and/or without any intention of dating you. Fuck those
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 05:12 PM
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Would never ever date a girl who did that, but it's a decision they're free to make
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:33 PM
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Ugly people are socially punished and have to work much much harder than attractive people for the same amount of success. That is definitely shitty genes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 01:34 AM
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Agreeing with you that this is probably fake now. Still, assuming it were true, what would be your opinion on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 01:22 AM
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Tbh if I had shitty genes, like this guy sounds like he does, I'd certainly consider that. Luckily this will never happen to me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 01:20 AM
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Holy shit can we place that article on the sidebar as "required reading"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 04:58 PM
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Spoken like an ISTP
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 08:31 PM
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Why do they need "neuroscience knowledge" in order to come up with a theoretical framework for personality? Even 7 year old kids can figure out whether their friends are introverts or extroverts, despite knowing jack shit about how the brain processes information
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 08:30 PM
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Strange. In my experience, it's ISFP females and ESTP females who are the sexiest (on average) That said, xSxP types are obviously the most physically attractive types (on average), because that's just how extroverted sensing works EDIT: unsurprisingly, very few people in this thread understand at least a single bit of personality theory. Idk why I had my hopes up :/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 08:26 PM
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I hate the world for working like this, but this is 100% true
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:12 AM
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Retarded argument. Unattractive and socially awkward female classical jazz musicians are vastly outnumbered by male ones, so no, you will still have a problem And even then, unattractive socially awkward females still want attractive socially skilled males, which they can afford to do in current society
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:44 AM
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Anyone not acting like themselves will almost always come of as creepy. Fake confidence, signaling and following a routine makes you stick out like a sore thumb Guess what, you need to fake confidence and achieve success before you develop real confidence. There is no thing such as a confident 30 y.o virgin People are attracted to skills, passion and confidence. If you master a craft, or at least show some interest in attempting to master it, you will be more attractive. Useless advice. If you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:00 PM
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Surprised how few people understand this Even 10/10 handsome alphas still have to approach and risk rejection every day, whilst the average incel thinks he'd be drowning in pussy if he had a jawline
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 08:38 PM
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Divorce (assuming prenups)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:49 PM
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That's one way to do it for sure... but if the end goal is actual change or at least preventing further societal deterioration, there needs to be some kind of open communication between people who lean to either side otherwise like stays with like and the next generation is even more polarized. I'm not convinced polarization causes "social deterioration", because it has been there for ages. And even if it does, it's not like we can overcome polarization through "communication". People are ego-in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:34 PM
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The majority of the population aren't extremists, but they are influenced by the minority of extremists. For instance, even though radfems are like 0.1% of the population, every girl in my class (law school) is a feminist, and will agree with basically all radfem points simply because of herd mentality; even if they don't necessarily consider themselves radfems or publicly admit their association to them In that case, even though my ideology filters out all these women as dating prospects, it ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:04 PM
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That is one way to look at it. But ideologies also serve as a filtering mechanism, since they reflect inner values. Feminists value female supremacy and narcisism, which means they will always choose themselves over me. Which happened in my experience with every feminist woman I've been with, but never happened with my conservative ex-GF
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:22 PM
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We're talking about differing viewpoints, not interpersonal conflicts. There is no common ground between feminist and RP ideologies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:52 PM
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Wtf? Internet communication is "competitive and adversarial" because of anonimity. It has nothing to do with it being in its "infancy". In the past, a similar thing occurred with books written anonymous authors, said books also had an edgy tone That said, the reason people aren't as "toxic" in discussions IRL isn't because they're virtuous, they're just scared of the drawbacks. Which means the internet allows for more authentic viewpoints and thoughts, despite its "competitiveness"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:48 PM
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Agree. If you had a masculine father, this advice would be exactly what he would say. Also, in particular, the part that triggers me the most is is: my dream life of actually being with a woman who loves me and understands me Why the fuck is this your dream life? Not only you're buying that disney BS conception of love (real love is transactional, a reward for your accomplishments), this reveals such a lack of ambition. Go get better dreams
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:44 PM
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First of all, absolutely nothing of their posts reveal anything about introspection or self-awareness. Incels are not introspective? You do realize excessive introspection is exactly what's wrong with them, right? What art/music have they produced? I don't have any examples here as I cba to search them, so you don't have to believe me if you don't want. But in reality there are many lonely people who channel their suffering into art Show me where you've found out that they "excel in chess?" I di…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 07:21 PM
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The "battle against objetification" is popular among feminists because it's rooted in an age-old insecurity every woman has: being insecure that her man only sees her as a sex object. Which makes sense because she is aware that her beauty/sexuality will fade and therefore he will have no reason no stay with her if it's true However, promoting the idea that we need to fight against objetification is a dumb strategy, because the only men who will buy that shit are beta losers whom women don't give…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:11 PM
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Both men and women experienced steady declines in marital satisfaction over this time Of course marriage deteriorates over time, as partners get old/lazy/ugly and start revealing their flaws. Marriage is not supposed to bring you happiness, it's supposed to give you meaning, to improve society I wish people would stop gobbling up that disney crap of "love forever" and understand how the world works. But oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 12:11 PM
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Nah they are definitely intelligent. Their posts reveal a lot of introspection, self-awareness and have stunning logical accuracy. Some of them produce high quality art/music, some of them excel in difficult games such as chess/LoL. You can't do these things without a high iq
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 11:50 AM
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In other words, instead of critically thinking for yourself and verifying the logical consistency of that theory, you are relying on the fallacy of the appeal to authority If we lived in Nazi Germany and the completely biased institutions released "studies proving that black people are the cause of the nation's setbacks", you'd align with the racists
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 11:39 AM
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it is an actual studied theory to explain those bad behaviors Lol, if that really is something that came out of academia, then it's no wonder no one takes social "sciences" seriously nowadays. Trying to push a political agenda, while completely ignoring reality and truth and actual science For starters, you cannot prove what is the intent behind a human action, so those "studies" are already 100% impossible to be proven true And even then, what a completely retarded hypothesis. Men don't rape in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 03:22 AM
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Disagree, I think incels are interesting as fuck. They are really intelligent (iq/cognition wise), and yet struggle with relatively easy tasks that normies can easily pull off
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 02:34 AM
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This is the classic, predictable feminist cop-out answer Whenever people criticize the stupidity of the concept of toxic masculinity, bloopers are quick to point out that "masculinity isn't toxic, only extreme forms of masculinity such as rape/aggression/etc are toxic". WOW, so you mean toxic behavior is toxic? Such insight! In reality, the results of the "battle against toxic masculinity" are: alienation of men, increasing friction between the sexes, spread of misinformation, etc It doesn't mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:49 AM
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Lol these betas boasting about their superiority as "emotionally mature men in healthy LTRs" are the same ones who will struggle with depression and suicidal tendencies when their HB5 divorces them at 35. It happens over and over It's foolish to expect them to understand the importance of spinning plates, they think they're too morally superior
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 11:01 PM
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Men at that age already have sexual needs
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 07:48 PM
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And therefore, his point that you need to be in the top 50% of men to even have a chance with woman is correct, at least for OP's age bracket. This has nothing to do with "meeting a long term SO"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:40 PM
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Lol so you think a girl who is followed by 2k beta orbiters has an ego as big as a rural girl who doesn't even know instagram, since "that kind of admiration is worthless"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:34 PM
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Around ages 15-19, I'd bet less than 50% of males have GFs. In my HS class, that number was less than 10%, and in my 16 y.o brother's class it's around that as well
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:28 PM
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Because they don't have a choice, not because they are magically attracted to their equivalent match for some reason. Settling =/= choosing. I don't get how people don't understand this Also, the guy is 17, which is like the apex of power imbalance for females. Fat awkward girls his age have access to much more attractive 17 year old males
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:15 PM
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And I know a lot of people who dropped out of high school and now have jobs (shitty ones). Yet if someone made a thread asking "how do I make my resumé more attractive to companies", I wouldn't give away shitty advice such as "it depends entirely on the company, just be yourself even if you're a high school dropout with no skills!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:11 PM
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That's another 6+ years of inceldom at best though. By then most interesting girls his age will be taken
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 04:47 PM
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Nothing is universal! There are certainly women out there who love overweight ugly dudes with no social skills! Just be yourself!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 04:20 PM
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Some RPers just want more sex and dgaf about anything else, others enjoy philosophical/abstract discussion related to social trends. Rollo's content (much like this sub) is directed at the latter group
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:00 AM
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33/36. Surprisingly high, considering my personality type (INTP) is the most socially retarded on average
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:45 AM
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"Commitment widowed" doesn't make any sense, a better term would be something like "unicorn widowed" That said, this does happen. I treated my first GF like a goddess, got burned, and then treated every subsequent woman like trash The difference is that alpha widowed women become more cynical and therefore less attractive, and unicorn widowed men become more assholish and therefore more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:42 PM
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IME the only women who have preferences for non-whites are black women (who think black men are hotter), and some leftist white haters. Asians, indians, etc are considered uglier even by women in their own races
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:26 PM
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What's the evolutionary reason for it though? It doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:18 PM
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See, that's exactly the problem. If you take a white and a non-white man with the same height, same intelligence, same facial proportionality, same physical fitness... 95% of women will say the white is prettier
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:14 PM
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Nah, even in south america where I live, an attractive white man with blue eyes gets a lot more attention than an attractive black man. Not like attractive black men struggle with women, but they are less universally attractive regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 09:57 PM
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I mean I still had my fair share of lays with attractive white leftist girls, who were only hooking up with me to prove how they're "open-minded". But the girls I like the most (conservative/right-wing, ESFJ, low n count) only go for whites
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 09:55 PM
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Yeah, being white is like a free +2 points in SMV. I don't understand why whites are considered prettier either, maybe it's biology? I don't buy the "it's cultural, we have a very eurocentric world view" cliché because current culture pedestalizes "diversity" to an unhealthy degree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:07 PM
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In that case I am definitely closer to black than to white, but I am far from being purely black
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:03 PM
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Nah, I'm sort of tan and have extremely curly hair. If you think latinos are white, you'd probably think I am black if you saw me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:42 PM
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Nowadays not really, assuming your looks/game are good enough There are plenty of rich women who provide for their broke alpha jerk boyfriends, for instance
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:38 PM
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Being white. I hate how women are constantly virtue signaling about "racial diversity", yet at the same time openly show their preference for white dudes Admittedly I am sort of salty because as a latino/mulatto man I've been rejected in favor of whites a lot of times, but that doesn't discredit what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:30 PM
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Yeah but anxiety over not getting your dick wet immediately isn’t a legitimate safety concern Being worried that my sexual needs will not be met is a perfectly legitimate concern, as much as my needs for food/shelter. The only people who don't understand this are women and low T men You can be fine enough not to maintain backups while in a relationship. Just get a new girl after the break up. You make it sound much easier than it is. After my first breakup, I had to spend a whole 15 months in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:17 PM
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The only advice I accept from women is fashion advice. And even then, only from my sister
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:46 AM
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You seem to be blind to all the benefits of companionship in a romantic relationship, poly or otherwise. If you could see that you’d understand the importance of the division of time. Having less time for each one is detrimental in terms of the benefits you get. I don't see how. What exactly do you gain by spending 30h a week with a single girl that you don't by spending 10h a week on 3 girls? The only reason why you'd ever choose the first option is if you have oneitis, which is by definition a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:35 AM
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Depends on her risk tolerance The less she can accept the probability of getting cheated on, the less options her man should have
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:04 AM
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Depends on your definition of friendship If you mean superficial camaraderie, sure If you mean deep emotional bonds such as in time-tested male-to-male friendships, then no
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:33 PM
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Overinvested means more invested than what you’re getting out of it. Clearly “most men” are not. This is definitely false Polygamy also puts you in a weaker position by having less time to dedicate to each relationship. There’s pros and cons each way. This makes no sense. Time is an investment, and it remains constant anyway (no difference between spending 30h on 1 girl or 10h on 3 girls) No. It’s 2 humans agreeing on something for mutual benefit. The power dynamic thing is for men and women wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:04 PM
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Even if his SMV is lower than hers (which I'm not fully convinced it is, considering psychological factors are a big part of SMV, especially male SMV), it's high enough that he has a lot of options and is aware of them As I've said, to reduce your odds of cheating, you need to pair up with a man who has few options (or is unaware of them). There is no other way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:18 PM
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No I don’t Well, I did. And most men do This happens when you care about anyone lol.Being an uncaring husk isn’t really a choice for most humans either. As isolated people just grow attached and invested to things rather than people. This isn't wrong, but what is being discussed here is monogamy vs polygamy, not monogamy vs isolation You have taken your very few experiences and applied it thinking it will be every experience. Essentially like eating bad pizza and then declaring pizza “puts you i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:33 PM
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She took a big risk by selecting a top 0.00001% man who has all the options in the world, and it backfired I see nothing wrong with this story Lesson: if you want loyalty, get a beta
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:04 AM
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The problem with monogamy is that it's an objectively weak position for a man to be in, even if the girl is great. You become lazy/needy/overinvested, you lose options, you are hit harder by unpredictable events (such as she moving away), etc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:33 AM
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First one might have had BPD, but I'm not sure. I only stayed with her because I was a blue-pilled needy nice guy who thought I couldn't do better Second one was easily the best girl I've ever seen, but we broke up because she had to move away. Not her fault at all, but it still hurt like hell
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 12:30 PM
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Well, in the two times I got into a monogamous LTR, I got destroyed. As cynical as it sounds, I suppose I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 12:16 PM
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Yes, the most popular reason men find MRP is that their wife doesn't love them anymore In an ideal world, RP wouldn't be necessary. But it is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 05:19 PM
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Yes, most women are not equal adults to their spouses. By "equal" I assume you mean "has the same amount of power". Almost all relationships are asymmetrical because one of the parties always needs the other less than he/she is needed, and therefore has more power Power has an important psychological component though, so cunning people can artificially increase their perceived power through mind tricks (Game)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:27 PM
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I like how it's always women or beta men who babble about equality, brag about how their partner is "equal" to them, etc When you're insecure about being inferior to your partner, I guess pretending you're "equals" is comforting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:20 PM
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Can confirm, my last GF was a normie ESFJ and had a lot of orbiters. Funnily, some of them were actually prettier than me, but not even all the beauty in the world can make up for being beta
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:10 PM
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That was my initial thought coming to this thread. Comments proved it right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 08:39 PM
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I think the problem with the West is not really "female autonomy", but that there are too few quality men My definition of a quality man is one who is highly masculine AND intelligent. But such men are really rare. Nowadays it seems every masculine man is dumb and every smart man is a pussy, not to mention the dumb pussies This happens because current culture neglects men in favor of promoting women. Which is dumb because not only are women less capable in areas like risk-taking/creativity/physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:56 PM
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Manosphere has never denied the pay gap. It just uses logical explanations for it, rather than the "women only earn less because there is structural sexism!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:49 AM
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There are a lot of fallacies in this post. To name a few: The majority of men getting divorced are not RPers Married RP is actually against dominating/controlling your wife. It preaches maximizing your sexual value, seeing if your wife starts loving you again, and then staying with her or leaving her depending on how she reacts Although "equal share of shared assets" sounds fair in theory, in practice it means transferring money from men to women, since men tend to earn more Relationships are li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 10:33 PM
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Very subjective question. Depends on your standards mostly. To me, it's around 0.5% of women between 18 and 25 (the rest is not worth it at all)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 10:21 PM
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I think quietness is not unattractive by itself, but unless you're insanely hot, women will always expect you to approach/initiate/escalate first, which an introverted guy might struggle with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 10:17 PM
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I was about to post the exact same thing you wrote, because that was the only point in the OP I strongly disagreed with It's so predictable and annoying when people drop the "you can't analyze human behavior you autistic nerd lmfao!" anti-intellectual card
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 10:13 PM
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As I've said in another comment, this is a misconception women propagate. In reality, nice guys are legitimately nice to everyone, because that's how they've been trained their whole lives to be When a nice guy occasionally snaps, that's because they have a massive amount of repressed anger. Not because they are covert assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 01:45 AM
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If a stranger is rude to a man on the street as he walks with his girlfriend, and he lets it go rather than pulling out a knife, will a woman think "what a wimp, he lets people insult him?" If you just stay silent, some women might actually believe this, yes. Because you faced a threat and froze in face of it. But if you insult him back or try to pick a fight, that is also unattractive because you are placing yourself in the same low level as the rude stranger In this particular example, the str…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 04:15 PM
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Most nice guys aren't toxic at all, even to people who reject them. They will obviously be hurt by it, but even then they hide it. You wrongly believe the majority are toxic because those are the ones reddit makes the most noise about And even the nice guys who don't snap are still virgins. It has nothing to do with being nice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:56 PM
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Dumb comment. The "nice guys are manipulative" is the oldest hamster tactic Nice guys are virgins because they are weak/unattractive, so society (and women) treat them like shit and they become nice to avoid conflict situations, which they would lose Women are attracted to powerful men. It has nothing to do with being nice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:29 PM
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That sounds like a lot of bullshit to be fair. Especially the dude hitting the baby (TRPers would laugh at such a pathetic loss of frame). Also, lol at the comments. "I'm at 34 with 2 kids and my bf is smoking hot!!", yes, I totally believe that That said, I would never advise a woman to marry an RPer. In fact, I constantly tell my sister to avoid men like me I think marrying cynical people is a terrible idea, for both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:15 PM
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Because it allegedly solves one of the hardest problems men face, which is a lack of sex. As well as one of the hardest problems women face, which is a lack of company
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:17 AM
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Sex is definitely worth it, as it vastly improves your life in all aspects. Relationships are good in 2% of the cases, a net loss in 98% of them, and not necessary imo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:12 AM
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Why haven't we bred out ugliness yet? I've read in a book called Deep Nutrition that beauty is just your level of nutritional wealth. Things like proportional facial growth, height, muscles, fat distribution, etc, are all improved by nutrition Personally, my parents and I have always eaten well, and I don't have any major deformities. It seems to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 05:52 PM
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First one is very interesting. Maybe that is also why homophobia seems to be genetic rather than cultural. "This dude is gay, therefore he has some negative aspect that nature doesn't want to reproduce, therefore we need him out of our tribe!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 05:45 PM
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It's definitely closer to beta than to alpha That said, I am also very much conflict-averse. Even though I'm ripped, I'm the type of dude who wouldn't hurt a fly. Yet this does not prevent me from getting women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 01:13 AM
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Men: have an incredibly high tolerance for suffering Women: are beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:50 AM
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The only answer. Though it's not worth the risk
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:46 AM
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I guess I am a pussy, but I wouldn't waste my energy on a fight over 1 woman Also, it's always the woman's fault for cheating anyway (barring rape). It's fairer to punish her rather than him
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:38 AM
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Cba to check that, but if you google "testosterone benefits" you'll find it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 09:36 AM
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Some of the self-professed sigmas on the internet are definitely omegas, but IRL you can find plenty of high value men who are IxTxs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:02 PM
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Personally I don't believe in any other categories than alpha/beta, but what you described is a Sigma (an introverted alpha), not an Omega (a bottom of the barrel dreg)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 06:43 PM
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I think it's all about testosterone. When you have 1200 ng/dl pumping through your blood, your brain feels like you're a superhero, regardless of anything Similarly, if you have like <250, you could look like a model and would still be extremely insecure I've recently tested my own levels, got a solid natty 600. When I was a skinny incel and couldn't get laid at all, I was probably in the low 200 range
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 06:40 PM
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Yeah? And why does it get hidden? Oh right, because she would dump him right there if he was open about it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:38 PM
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Ah yes, women would love to date insecure men, the only reason they don't is because other men promote toxic masculinity :(!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:37 PM
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It's a numbers game dude Even Chad gets rejected. Logically, his approaches-to-lay ratio will be far lower than yours, but what does it matter when you find the first girl who likes you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:30 PM
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Wrong. A man will only choose an emotionally distant woman over one who loves him if the former is much hotter. (Unlike women, who will choose emotionally distant men over caring ones even if they look the same. But that's for another thread)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:19 PM
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I didn't. And I didn't have a neglectful father either. My family was united, supportive, and maybe a little too over-protective Still became a nice guy who had to resort to TRP to learn how to deal with women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 09:10 PM
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She lost attraction points because she found out no other woman wanted this guy, if he needed a prostitute Lesson for game noobs: even in a relationship, never drop any hint of you having low value
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 06:15 PM
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I still live with my dad, who is a blue pilled yet alpha ESTJ. I talk to him every day and I've always had a great, mutually respectful relationship with him. Though we have always disagreed on many topics He always encouraged me to be masculine, i.e play sports/lift/serve the millitary/go to STEM. "Because that's what a man does". I never took that seriously, writing off as "toxic masculinity", and I felt those things were at odds with my personality Ironically, nowadays I'm really into masculi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 05:54 PM
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"Empathy" is an empty word that only serves for virtue signaling BS, and no practical use My head hurts every time I hear that word, wish it hadn't been invented
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 05:16 PM
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Not at all, being likeable/agreeable is counterproductive to attracting mates The very existence of terms like "nice guys" is evidence of this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:34 PM
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I'm just saying it's not as clear cut as you think. Clearly, you can agree that marrying does not mean you're beta, and sleeping around does not mean you're alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:18 PM
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Honestly doubt it. Even RP-aware incels are so desperate from sexual thirst that they would gladly "beta-up" for her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:15 PM
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Alpha and Beta are mindsets If you understand the risks associated with marriage, and are doing it consciously and rationally (that is, not one-itis), that is alpha Alternatively, if you are hitting clubs every night because you need female validation, that is beta
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:01 PM
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Agree, the only girls I've seen complaining about male attention were 6s or lower. I think OP is right
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:18 PM
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Holy shit, is ABQ really as fucked up as Breaking Bad makes it to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:14 PM
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I agree with the title of your post. To visualize why it's true, a simple mental experiment: if an HB7 suddenly declared her love for an incel and initiated a relationship with him, is he more likely to A) treat her like a princess, or B) treat her like shit? (clearly A) However, I strongly disagree with almost all of your reasoning: 1)Focus on career, particularly STEM bucks. Money is more important than women. This is a known fact. (though a lot of RP newbs will use "muh career" as a way of pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:10 PM
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You are denying that beauty impacts how attraction and relationships work? Level 1 blue piller, you have a long journey ahead of you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 04:53 PM
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I think good looking autists are a minority of incels. The exception, rather than the rule From what I observe from my normie incel friends, I believe the average incel has below average height, face, a few friends, and is introverted and nerdy, and actually really romantic PPD will say "incels are mentally fucked", but I think they are just hormonally fucked, as in they have low T. Put them on TRT for like 4 months and watch the magic happen
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:32 PM
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i have almost no "emotional needs" or need to have my "feelings" recognized Lol, seems to match my experience with xxTx girls. They are far easier to deal with, are lower on drama, don't argue over meaningless shit But on the other hand, the emotional atmosphere becomes really dry and dull, and evolves into mutual indifference. Does this not bother you and your husband? The only two girls I've seriously dated were ESFP and ESFJ. And while they were pretty irrational (especially the former), they…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:05 PM
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For biological reasons, rather than conscious ones
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:15 AM
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They will be objectively less attractive, but they don't need to be some model with perfect clear skin to be fuckable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:10 AM
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Disagree, because celibacy itself is a misfortune as well Men have no choice
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:48 PM
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But they never will, because men would rather have sex with disloyal women than celibacy Your job is to accept that and perform anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:38 PM
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Yes, I'm one of the most hardened cynics on this forum, and yet I believe that women have the potential to be loyal Even though I realize such loyalty is tied to the man's performance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:33 PM
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She moved away, and I refused to do long distance. She did find a hotter boyfriend within 2 weeks of our break up, but I doubt it would've happened if she stayed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:26 PM
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Idk, I consider myself a 7.5 at max. When I dated my last GF (an 8.5 IMO), I knew she was getting attention from men who were hotter than me, but I never worried about being cucked When you have tight game and relationship skills, she falls so hard for you that she believes you're a 10. Women are worse at judging attractiveness than you think
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:14 PM
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While I don't take the 80/20 rule literally, I don't believe most people are attracted to their partner. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and like 70% of the remaining ones end in infidelity/unhappiness
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:54 PM
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Not really. Just because women are wired to desire a 10, it doesn't mean she can't be turned on/seduced by a 6
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:51 PM
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I mean, money does not affect SMV directly, yeah. But if he's rich, he should have no problems paying for surgeries/healthy foods/supplements/etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:48 PM
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Well yeah, we understand women only want the crème de la crème. That doesn't mean the SMP is hard for them, just that they're overbearingly picky
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:45 PM
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Women's attractiveness lasts for much longer than what you're making it seem. Really, a woman who takes her health seriously will remain attractive well into her 40s. I've seen at least two women of such age who are still easily 8s (one of which was actually ugly in her 20s!)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:42 PM
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To me? It's to have fun discussing a controversial yet interesting topic that will never be discussed in normie circles
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:48 PM
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While I agree that SMV success is achievable for the vast majority of men (even incels), I disagree that average women have it harder Firstly because a woman just needs to be a 6 to be showered in male attention. And nowadays, from what I observe, a 6 can still date an 8, due to the current imbalance of power in the SMP. At least for young men/women Secondly, becoming a 6 is REALLY EASY. Literally all you need to do is be fit, and take care of your skin/hair. I doubt you can show me a woman who …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:32 PM
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I'm only 23, but I think this comment is the most accurate. I've seen some women who stay really hot even through their 40s. If you want attraction to last long, marry a highly self-disciplined woman Everything else ("communication", "love is a choice", etc) is blue pilled trash
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:23 PM
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Back when I was an undersexed beta with no game? Definitely. Nowadays? Fuck no
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:59 PM
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Yes. People love to "convert" neutrals into their "religion". As long as you are neutral indeed; if you clearly belong to another group, you will likely be rejected. For example, if you are fervorously christian, you will not be able to bond with punks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 12:20 PM
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You seem to believe that having an affinity for a culture is something you're born with, instead of acquired. That is, you are born a punk, instead of becoming one In reality, humans inherit the cultural traits of the first group rewards them with social prizes that they crave, e.g acceptance/validation/potential mates The reason a guy is a punk is because they could not find those rewards in a different social group, either because he was rejected or he rejected the group himself
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 12:04 PM
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An incel who finally realizes the reason he's a virgin is not looks You've just taken the first step towards ascension, my friend. Carry on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:55 AM
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I don't know. I've seen too many ugly men dating 7s or higher to believe physical attractiveness is that big. And when I say ugly, I mean guys with obvious facial deformities, e.g skewed eyes/over-sized noses/triangular chin Looking good will land you more IOIs, that's for sure. But if you lack the confidence to escalate, you'll be alone for a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:52 PM
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As a woman, you're never going to turn a man off for being honest. If he thinks you're hot and aren't going to treat him poorly, he'll gladly date you (unless he just wants to use you for sex)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:22 PM
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Oh, I thought you were a man. In that case, as long as you're somewhat attractive and aren't a bitch, whatever you do doesn't really matter
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:55 PM
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Except "income inequality and financial uncertainity" have been around since humans existed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:44 PM
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Lying is not a turnoff, being caught lying is Also, for the purposes of seduction, full disclosure and being fat are very similar, in that they decrease your odds of success
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:39 PM
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This. I can meet 10+ women in a month with day game alone lol, let alone clubbing/parties
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:31 PM
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Full disclosure is anti-seductive. If your goal is to seduce someone, you need to avoid anti-seductive behaviors, even if you call them "honesty" Your argument is as foolish as "you should be fat. if they ghost you for being fat, they never liked you in the first place"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:26 PM
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Women do not understand what turns them on, asking for their opinion on such matters is retarded (with the exception of highly self-aware introspective nearly autistic ones) However you are right in that physical fitness is only like 10% of male sexual attractiveness. I think psychosocial dominance, aka game/charisma/etc, is the biggest part When I became ripped, I noticed an increase in IOIs I was receiving, but I still couldn't get laid because I was a pussy who was scared of rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 03:22 PM
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I am a boring nerd incapable of madness :^(
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:41 AM
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Well, to me it's about maximizing your happiness. And casual sex does little to improve my happiness nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:36 PM
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IME alternative/underground girls are very unattractive, (i.e they tend to have tats, short hair, bad clothing), especially compared to normies Though if your goal is just to get laid no matter what and your game is still not good enough, I agree that going to parties increases your odds of success
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 04:37 PM
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I feel like this post targets me directly. I'm RP and I've never done drugs/tatoos, and I only party/drink like once a month My counter-argument to this is that being "square" is relative. To people who value "excitement", partying, drugs, yeah I am a boring nerd. To people who value productivity, fitness, intelligence, art, I am pretty awesome This is why "be yourself" is solid advice after you improve. If you hate parties, don't pretend you love them, just don't be stuck with people who love t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:14 PM
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Because what you claim to be "youth culture" is just low IQ ESFP culture. Girls who do dumb shit like tattoos/drugs/social media whoring are the minority. It's just that they are so loud and obnoxious that they look like the majority
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:05 PM
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Well, I still got some cool matches on tinder. I am not a 9, but I doubt I am lower than 7
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:32 PM
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Lol truerateme is insane. Under an alt I posted my tinder photos on both rateme and truerateme. Got an average of 9 in the former, 5.5 in the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:39 PM
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No, all validation is definitely NOT equal. What kind of malarkey is this? Never said that, I said: validation from losers > no validation Leagues are a real thing. Not everyone, even with maximal and effective self improvement, can be top relationship or sex material. Genetics and time limits aren't fugazi. There really isn't a fixed cap for self-improvement. It scales logarithmically with time, so it gets harder and harder and you feel like you're plateauing, but you're still improving. Also, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 06:16 PM
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Completely agree, but what you're describing here is the black pill, not TRP The black piller thinks looks are everything because he lacks the balls/skills to approach and escalate, and believes women would simply throw sex at him if he looked better Realistically, they would send a lot of IOIs to him, but would be immediately turned off when he opened his mouth and betrayed his lack of atitude/confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 01:09 PM
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That insecurity is justified to be honest. The threat of cuckoldry hangs over your head like the sword of Damocles, ready to strike you down the moment Chad makes eye contact with her
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:56 PM
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Sort of agree. Facts and data contracting a view are more likely to REINFORCE that view, aka the "backfire effect" But it's not really "emotional manipulation" that changes one's mind. It's emotional experiences I was a blue pilled cuck until my first GF wrecked me, then went over to the other extreme and became a cynical nihilist PUA, then started dating my last GF and went back to believing in love
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:47 PM
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Thirst from Internet losers isn't worth much to anyone except the bottom-barrel women. Validation is validation, and it inflates one's ego regardless of who's doing it. A 6 who receives praises from 4s will be harder to bang than a 6 who doesn't receive any praise This is self-explanatory. I now have some idea of who you're dealing with regularly - thanks for sharing. Yeah, with men who are losers before TRP helps them. The difference is TRP actually does something to improve their lives, whilst…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:08 PM
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Not really, they'd just never have existed. Everyone would be a man, and would reproduce assexually
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 01:06 AM
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Good for them then. This thread isn't about them though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:56 PM
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They only made like 2 cool pokémon. Bisharp and that hydra whose name I forgot Gen 1 is still the best
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:54 PM
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What, women complaining about their current boyfriend, or a lack of one? Oh yeah that's rare
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:41 PM
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Certainly there are plenty of good men. The trick is finding one who is hot and won't just pump and dump FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 11:05 PM
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For men under 25, this is not the case at all Young women have access to tinder/social media, have insanely overblown egos from years of unconditional validation, and male thirst As such, a young man who is a 7 and doesn't know about game can only fuck 4s, or have a shitty one-sided relationship with a 6. Whilst he remains invisible to the girls who are 7 or higher And that's a 7. Most men are 5, if not lower
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 10:54 PM
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That sounds like classic MGTOW cope I don't see these men being any successful in other areas in order to make up for their failures with women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 10:34 PM
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That's a ridiculously weak mindset. You have the power to alter the course of your life Blaming "fate" for your misery is the easiest way to never get rid of it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:41 PM
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Specifics are irrelevant. The point is that most incels are so not because of their looks, but because of their fear
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:28 PM
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Night clubs are annoying as fuck to me, the only reason I'd go was to get laid. But nowadays my day/online game is tight enough, so I don't need to go to those shitholes Also we discuss these topics because they're interesting, but impossible to talk about with normies. We don't "need to be valued" for it, the usage of logic/articulation is its own reward, it's fun
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:27 PM
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I never understood the inferiority complex in this sub "Oh man, we enjoy discussing highly complex, big-picture social phenomena. We are such losers. Why can't we be low iq extroverts getting wasted at a cheap night club :/"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:17 PM
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Keyword: if. When you date someone you perceive to be superior to you, you treat him/her like a god. This is inevitable for people who are not veterans in love
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:35 PM
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Emotional pain is the most effective catalyst for growth. Have your heart broken -> engage in obssessive self-improvement -> reach a point where you laugh at yourself for having loved someone so low quality. I've seen it happen over and over again, to men and women alike. I would probably still be a low SMV wimp myself if my first GF hadn't broken up with me as well Though I don't understand how you've lived through this and still consider yourself blue pill
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:31 PM
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I am simply making logical, if-then statements, based on probability and dating mechanics
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 09:23 PM
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Then your SMV was probably even lower than his. I hope you understood this and developed your own SMV following the break up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:51 PM
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I never understood why women don't do this The betas would do anything for her, including becoming a fit/dominant man. (Don't underestimate the lengths undersexed men will go for sex and intimacy) Meanwhile, in order to satisfy her lust for alphas, she can always secretly cheat on him while he develops himself. It's a win-win lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:46 PM
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Because young women only have eyes for the top 20% of young men. And those men have the option to sleep around There is a battalion of undersexed betas who'd gladly treat their woman like a queen, but they are ignored The SMP is cruel to everyone but alphas
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:37 PM
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There are right-wingers who are soyboys, and leftists who are masculine. Though the opposite is far more common
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:10 PM
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Hmm, you and u/EmoryUpton both make good points. To be fair I think the only way to avoid that problem is to only move in together/marry when you're rich enough to afford a maid. Regardless of personality type
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 08:07 PM
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He might not be skinny, but he is a wimp. He is passive aggressive, unassertive, yielding, defends views that are anathema to masculinity, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:59 PM
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Well, that may very well be true. And I admit I am not experienced in LTRs But even then, she was visibly more interested in housework than the other girls I've dated. She cooked well, her room was always tidy, she enjoyed watching typical woman TV channels like Discovery Home & Health, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:40 PM
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Ehh, I don't think she was that heavily into "tradition". She goes to church every Sunday because her family also goes. But she wasn't deep into religion, and never insisted I go to church with her (I'm an atheist) I don't know how I'd describe her values, but judging by how she spends her time, it seems that her number 1 goal in life is to socialize and pursue positive emotions. Which is very different from mine (the maximization of my happiness)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:30 PM
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I think every combination in which the 2nd and 3rd dichotomies are different and the 4th is equal, is a bad match (xSFJ - xNTJ, xSFP - xNTP, xSTP - xNFP, xSTJ - xNFJ) No shared functions, and one will keep hitting the weak spot of the other There are couples who can pull that off, but there are going to be too many petty fights
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:14 PM
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Soyboy is a slur for men who aren't masculine I was never a leftist, but I used to be a skinny wimp who pedestalized the shit out of women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:05 PM
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This makes sense. But idk; I've dated 12 out of the 16 types now, and I never really loved anyone more than my ESFJ. Edit: what's your type btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:00 PM
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There are pros and cons of dating other intuitives. In one hand, they understand you far more effectively and quickly, as well as having a lot more interests in common On the other hand, you will also compound weakness. The most glaring one is that intuitives will almost always resent household chores
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 04:54 PM
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Her father is in the military and was relocated, so she moved away with him. We are still too young to afford a house, so there was nothing I could do, other than do an LDR. But that's a bad idea
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 04:43 PM
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I think a lot of the "ESFJ downsides" are things the INTP THINKS he hates, but actually comes to like For instance, my GF was extremely social. Every weekend she had like 5 different parties/meetings/etc and wanted me to go with her. As an INTP, I don't naturally enjoy those things. But I still went out with her to at least 1 of those events per week, and ended up meeting cool people and doing interesting things that I'd never have without her The other "downside" I can think of was that she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 04:38 PM
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Well, maybe. I only dated my ESFJ for less than 4 months. I cannot predict what would've happened in 4 decades
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:59 PM
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Idk, my last GF was an ESFJ, and I was insanely happy with her. Indeed, she didn't understand me; she couldn't fathom why someone would need alone time. But she loved me and treated me better than I've ever had been in my life Also she was actually appreciative of Ti, I don't agree with the description in that site. Like, she wasn't good at all at analyzing things, but she would always enjoy my analyses/ELI5s/etc. One time her friend asked her if she wasn't pissed off by my constant "mansplainin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:57 PM
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I think not. What I look for in a woman is femininity, gentleness, social grace, household skills, etc. INTJs are naturally bad at these, even if they have some amazing traits that I'd highly value in a male friend (such as intelligence, competence) Also I've only seen one female INTJ (confirmed) in real life, and she was ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:38 PM
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INTP
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:29 PM
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I'm a man. Any relationship with someone you find attractive and has a compatible personality type is pretty much automatically guaranteed to be fulfilling "Compatible personality type" varies from person to person. To me, the only women worth dating are ESFJs (maybe ISFJs as well), but I suspect an INTJ would hate that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:55 PM
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Do you already know that some people are objectively more attractive than others, or do you still believe in fantasy like "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:43 PM
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Those are their "preferences" because they cannot get better It's like believing when a janitor says "I'd rather earn 40k a year than 120k"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:24 PM
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This isn't just about sex, this is about what is being valued by women in general. And to verify "what is being (sexually) valued by women in general", we need to verify what men are having the most sex, which are still masculine men rather than feminized ones Why the push to emasculate and soften masculine men? Cannot describe my opinion on this without sounding like a conspiracy theorist
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:21 PM
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He is. But he gets women despite being a soyboy, not because he is one What needs to be debated is: which version of Justin Trudeau would get more women? The soyboy one, or the masculine one?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:15 PM
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There are plenty of man fucking goats. Can I conclude that women are not necessarily more attractive than goats now? No, because to verify what behavior/traits are objectively more attractive, we check the behavior/traits of the people having more and better sex If masculine men are having more and better sex with women than soyboys are, they are objectively more attractive than them to women Analogously, if women are having more and better sex with men than goats are, women are objectively more…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:10 PM
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I doubt it. Women understand alphas are rare, they aren't looking to throw him away for no reason. The only cases I've seen where an alpha gets divorced are: He cheated/abused/neglected her He became a beta The woman was also a celebrity, meaning she can do anything with no consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:44 PM
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Yet, the men whom these women are fucking are still majoritarily masculine/brave/aggressive. Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:39 PM
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There is not 1 woman in this world who would be more turned on by a soyboy, than by a masculine version of the same man Analogously, there is not 1 man who is more turned on by a fat woman than a fit version of the same woman Obviously the foolish will say "but I know a woman who said she prefers soyboys/a man who said he prefers fatties!", forgetting that words don't mean shit since attraction happens outside of the conscious brain
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:29 PM
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This doesn't make any sense. Without TRP, I'd still be a skinny soyboy. So this comment is basically, "you need to look for women who love soyboys". Which don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:18 PM
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They became fit/healthier, started dressing better, made surgeries, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 12:20 PM
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At which age? For adults, agree. When smart people learn the importance of looks/fitness/health, they maximize those But in high school/early college, each IQ point above average increases odds of male virginity. Nerds are late bloomers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:43 AM
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High IQs usually become socially aware in their 20s, and unlike low IQs they don't do it on autopilot. So they understand what they need to do in order to climb the social ladder Applies to women also. I know a few women in their 30s who are like 15x hotter than when they were 18-22
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:38 AM
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It doesn't work like that. An unhealthy body can impair your mind's functioning, yeah. But a healthy body cannot magically turn a low IQ into a genius Most of the jocks in my high school had low IQs. They didn't even go to college, or they are doing a worthless degree there. A few of them were really smart, and are doing really well, but they're the exception rather than the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 09:55 AM
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This isn't black pill, it's just reality. There are incels in every area of artistic expression: drawing, poetry, literature, music, whatever you name. They have rich personalities, compared to the rest of the population. Yet, without looks or game, it doesn't matter at all A girl would rather talk about video games with Chad than music or literature with an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 09:47 AM
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It may sound like a revenge fantasy, but it's really what happens IRL. After around age 28, regardless of how socially skilled you were as a child/teen, IQ takes over and starts defining your new place in the social hierarchy. For better or for worse Then again there are people who are ALL of hot/popular/high IQ throughout their entire lives. Fuck them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 11:43 PM
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Oh, hadn't read that. But yeah, it's important to stress that the SMP is not static/fully determined by genetics. A winner today may become a loser tomorrow, and vice and versa
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 11:32 PM
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Partially accurate. Jocks/cheerleaders are the shit in high school, but if their IQ is low (which it often is), life only goes downhill from there My first GF was quite hot/popular, but now she's a single mother at 23
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 11:23 PM
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In my experience, HSMV women actually have LOW n-count and are unlikely to do AF/BB. They don't need to slut around because HSMV men will gladly commit to them Hot women who ride the CC are usually mentally imbalanced and are the exception rather than the rule It's the women in the 5-7 SMV range who engage in that behavior because they refuse to even look at men below 8 when Chad will gladly pump n dump her, and she thinks this means he loves her Women under 5 generally pair up with betas who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 09:51 PM
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A lot men are oblivious to it on a conscious level, but they definitely notice it and will react differently to different styles Personally, I am fashion/style conscious. I can usually tell what a girl's personality is like from the way she wears. And here is what I tend to avoid (this may not resonate with all men, maybe not even a majority of men): Masculine/boyish clothing. I highly prefer more feminine styles. (There are some exceptions though. An ENFP girl I used to date would hang out with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 12:02 PM
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Sure, but learning musical instruments/writing poetry/etc isn't gonna do shit "Ideas, feelings and personal expression" from an ugly man with no confidence will just get him labeled off as a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 07:12 PM
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Same. But they are also clueless with women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:20 PM
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It's not all that different from listening to music or reading all day. Problematic analogy because music/books are not as capable as videogames of providing dopamine & therefore leaving you addicted. In other words, how many people do you know who listen to music/read books all day? Very few. How many that play video games all day? A lot Also, and this is my most important point: What would you say if there were some people in the world who literally do not care about entering into a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:19 PM
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As I've said in another comment, video games are designed to be addicting. And since it's a solo activity, it's socially isolating Thinking gaming addicts would still be losers if they'd never met video games is as foolish as thinking heroine addicts would be losers if theyd never met heroine
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:10 PM
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Nah. Online multiplayer games are essentially single player games, as far as socialization is concerned
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:03 PM
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Because videogames are designed to leave you addicted and socially isolated. By design, they are conducive to having no social skills & therefore struggle with dating Source: am a former gaming-addict
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 05:47 PM
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Not really. I never wrote a single piece of literature in my whole life and I've banged more women than like 80% of the guys my age. And the other 20% are basically savages to whom art/feelings/ideas and BS like that are totally irrelevant If you have game and looks, you will bang. If not, you won't. Whatever else you do is irrelevant to this fact
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 05:40 PM
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Nonsense. A lot of incels are musicians Without looks/game, it doesn't matter if you're the new Mozart
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 05:22 PM
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This is insanely incorrect, I have no idea why blue pillers believe this nonsense With the exception of psychopaths/abusers/etc, most men enjoy being needed. It's very endearing and gives a boost of self-esteem The problem is how the woman displays neediness. A lot of them will do it in a bitchy/controlling/authoritarian way that only drives the man away. Others, like my last GF, do it in a cute and vulnerable way that melts even the hardest cynics, e.g. "how can I make it through this week with…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 05:12 PM
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Rihanna was beat up by Chris Brown, wrote love songs about him. Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 01:21 PM
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I've been attracted to otherwise physically unappealing people based on other factors When this happened to me, it was due to scarcity mentality. If literally no one but a 6 liked me, monkey brain would predictably start liking her In light of that, it seems crucial you explain how you know that 90% of attraction is physical. Another mental experiment. A random man is being chased by a hot 22 year old girl, and by a 37 year old woman who looked exactly like the other girl 15 years ago, but has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 12:27 PM
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Fascinating read This also supports my controversial opinion that lesbianism is mostly just maladaptive behavior. That is, they weren't born that way, but they became so hateful of men that they will consciously go against their own nature to avoid them. Kind of like how nice guy incels turned into player assholes While there are gay men everywhere in society, you only really see lesbians in college/SJW activist groups/underground bars/etc. Which are precisely the same environments that incentiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:50 AM
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I'd say how "attractive" he is, not just how "pretty". If he looks good but is socially retarded, he will do worse than an average looking man with game
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:31 AM
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Well, in the 3 months between the break up and the time I found TRP, there wasn't really anyone I could've dated (barring dumpster diving). Since then I started improving myself intensely (lifting/reading/socializing/approaching), and only after 15 months or so I got my first lay. In the meanwhile, my experiences all but confirmed RP theory
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:24 AM
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It was not my creative needs, just my validation needs Though it's far easier to realize and admit this now
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:11 AM
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I don't know. I am making an estimation But it's common sense that male attraction is primarily based on youth/looks. I shouldn't be needing to explain/prove you this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:08 AM
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A woman's SMV is like 90% based on her looks If she's a post wall 37 year old, it doesn't matter if she is "mature, self-actualized, intelligent". Her SMV is objectively worse than that of a hot 22 year old, and that will be reflected in the quantity and quality of men she can attract It's unfortunate that women are so attracted to evil men, but there's no point in denying this (or rationalizing with "but only dumb women!")
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 12:31 AM
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This is exactly how I used to think... until I actually got a satisfying relationship. I banged a lot of women because I wanted to prove to myself that I was a high value man, which happened because I was really insecure about being a virgin for so long and then being destroyed by a girl I convinced myself that life was just a meaningless pursuit of your biological imperative. I built walls around myself and my feelings to avoid being hurt again, yet all that accomplished was leaving me emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 10:17 PM
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90% is just an estimation, but beauty is indeed highly objective. Lookists made a sub called r/blackpillscience that proves it scientifically Of course, looks are not the only component in the attraction formula, which is why you see many women fucking guys who are much uglier than they could get. Even then, being good looking makes life insanely easier
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 10:00 PM
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Believe me or not, this guy is real, I am not making this up. I've seen him in 3 different parties, he had a different hot girl in his arms in the three of them. Plus his Facebook profile has like 4k friends, and full of pictures of him with women If he is fucking hot women, he is attractive to most women. That's how the SMP works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 09:47 PM
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This was the logical conclusion from my experiences up until my last LTR. My goal is to have a lot of sex -> the more I am aloof, the more I have sex -> therefore, I should become as aloof as possible Yet, I was never happier than when I was with my last GF. I'd easily trade all the women I've gamed into fwbs/onss for what I had with her. That's why reading that book resonated with me Also one of the things the book preaches is that there are no formulas, tactics, or anything like that. It's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 09:02 PM
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Simply: they are fucking him
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 08:54 PM
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He probably could, but nowhere near as easily/quickly as the equally attractive dark triad one The ultimate testament to his ability to fuck women is, well, how many women he fucks and hot they are
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 08:52 PM
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Beauty is like 90% objective. Things like facial symmetry, proportionality of areas/dimensions, clear skin, etc etc are all objective and processed by the unconscious brain, so although we are unaware of the workings of judging appearance, we can easily say who is attractive and who isn't. Though I don't disagree that sometimes people get lucky. Problem is, only a very tiny minority. In most cases, men who have no game are more likely to find someone who's desperate (an aging single mom, a fatty…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 08:46 PM
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What if you are a man who is awkward/inexperienced and to whom dating is indeed hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:25 PM
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My criticism to that counter argument is this: How hot are those women? How much do those women actually love him (are attracted to him)? In many situations where the relationship "just happens", because the man was "just being himself", he ends up either with an unattractive woman (compared to what he could get with game), or in an asymmetrical relationship (in which she can exploit him) Generally, the less work you put into something, the worse will be your results in that. Men who don't put i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 07:23 PM
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What exactly do you do with your life if you haven't seen a person who's never heard of the Manosphere attract ("pick up") a girl without having to "mindgames/shit tests/tactics/etc." ?? I've seen: men dating women significantly less attractive than them, men trapped in betabux marriages, men in abusive relationships It's pretty clear that you are either never around men who are actually attractive or that you have no what women actually want, hence you cannot identify those men around you and u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 04:46 PM
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It's not as simple as that. Back then I was a beta, but I wasn't faking anything. The reason I'd say "I love you" to my first GF was not a manipulative tactic to get inside her, I honestly felt that wat
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 03:43 PM
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I am speaking in generalizations. I am also highly interested in fitness/skincare/nutrition/grooming/etc, but those things came artificially to me. The fact that we care about these things and consequently are attractive does not counter the fact that INTs are on average the least attractive types. We are but exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 03:19 PM
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Lol are you criticizing their looks? You do realize literally all of their work is about proving how you can bang many hot women despite not looking like a supermodel, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:06 PM
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Psychopaths have traits (courage, risk taking, ruthlessness) that would enable their sons to be highly successful in survival in a war-ridden world
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:48 AM
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How old are you? In my experience INTJs generally become really attractive after their 30s, which is when they start caring about their social status The young INTs are usually really ugly tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:45 AM
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That's a complicated question, but the legendary Roissy, as always, has the answer: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/quality-vs-quantity-formula-version/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:34 AM
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It's like steroids. If I believed I couldn't pull women at all with my genetics, I'd use them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:21 AM
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If he wanted, he could easily seduce an "independent, wise, self-actualized woman". To claim otherwise is to believe the blue pill fallacy that "only broken/dumb/unhealthy women fall for assholes"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 12:15 AM
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Which is not the case, as there are far more women being pulled into him than to the other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 11:57 PM
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Oh, I don't disagree with that. Intuitives in general are far less grounded in reality, & therefore less likely to care about their looks But INTs are even less appearance conscious than other intuitives on average. Since we are naturally somewhat socially isolated (compared to other types, and on average)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 11:52 PM
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What women consciously want is not what viscerally turns them on. Attraction does not happen at the conscious level, but on the unconscious The fact that a mature, self-aware woman would go against her own biology in order to reject the second guy does not make him less attractive Mental experiment: pit the two guys in a competition, the first one who successfully seduces and bangs five HB9s wins. And it's clear that the second one wins
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:50 PM
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So you think every type is equally attractive (looks-wise) on average? That also seems absurd. On average, different types are not equally interested in things like exercising/fashion/nutrition/etc, things that directly affect looks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:45 PM
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For man: verifying the amount of women he attracts, how hot these women are, and how strong is that attraction For women: verifying the SMV of the man who will commit to her
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:39 PM
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I don't get it. You don't believe that some personality types have an easier time getting laid than others?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:36 PM
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Disagree, I know many "strong" good men who still get laid way less often than jerks A close friend of mine is a blue pilled Alpha. Over 6 ft tall, ripped, square jawline, served in the military. ESTJ personality type, he is highly masculine, confident, assertive. But he's also very tradcon, religious, family oriented. He treats women nicely and respectfully. He has fucked exactly 1 girl in his entire 23 years, which is his HB6 girlfriend Meanwhile, I know an ESTP the same age who I believe is d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:34 PM
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There's no way of formally proving it, but it's easy to observe it E.g if you've ever read incel boards, the way they write is very characteristic of INTs (stunning logical accuraccy, introspection, "spergy-ness"), which means that INTs are overrepresented among unattractive/sexually unsuccessful
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:02 PM
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Yes but my point is not "every INTP/J is unattractive", but "INTP/Js are less attractive than other types on average" Also I should add that these types are highly volatile, they might randomly decide to go from 0 care for their looks to insanely conscious and minmaximg. It's not uncommon to find people of these types who were ugly and became hot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 09:51 PM
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Not directly, but they affect your behaviors, which may affect on how you look For instance INTPs/INTJs are very unaware or uninterested in their appearance when they're kids/teens, and tend to neglect them. So they usually become unattractive even if they have good genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 08:03 PM
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More likely that these men are average-looking and their wifes are biased :P
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:59 PM
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Agree. IncelTears/NiceGuys/etc are cringeworthy as fuck because the dudes posting there are basically laughing at themselves. They mock struggling men, yet everyone knows they are also either virgins, or betabux to fatties/uggos I have a lot more respect for a gymcel who hustles every day despite seeing no results than for a white knight
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:50 PM
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Hobbies are almost useless for getting laid, this is one of the platitudes that annoy me the most You can master 5 musical instruments, paint, write poetry, code, play chess, climb rocks. And, if you lack looks/game, you'll still be a virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:41 PM
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some men are unsuccessful with women because they are socially incompetent. they're shy and timid around other people, or they're awkward and spergy. a lot of men don't know how to correctly escalate with women. some of them don't even understand that men are supposed to escalate with women. some guys are still trying to use obsolete dating strategies endorsed by BP society and try to "win over" girls by showing how gentlemanly they are or whatever. /thread Literally all my past failures with wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:36 PM
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Holy shit, that does not at all sound like the ENTJs I've seen IRL. Most are just skinny nerds Then again, they become pretty beastly through their 30s, and the ones I know are all under 25
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:20 PM
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What is your husband's MBTI type? ESTP?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 05:11 PM
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a woman in an abusive relationship with a guy who beats her daily is also "happy" Why would she not be happy? She still hasn't dumped him, and rationalizes his flaws away. And hopes that one day she will tame him
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 11:22 AM
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the other guy is happy According to this logic, a woman in an abusive relationship with a guy who beats her daily is also "happy" Neither such woman nor the man in OP's story are happy, they are just being exploited through their insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 11:15 AM
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Submission is just the result of accepting the superiority of your partner in whatever area (yes, you can be submissive in an area and dominant in others). My last GF was submissive in political opinions (she would accept and parrot everything I said, even anti-feminist views), in bed (because of the difference in physical strength), finance, etc Yet, she was infinitely superior to me in areas like socializing, nutrition, logistics, and others. I'd gladly follow her lead in those
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 05:44 PM
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I'm against spinning plates for revenge/sadism, yeah. But doing it in order to maximize your odds of finding a good LTR, like I do now, is something I still encourage though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 05:27 PM
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With 2 years in the gym I went from skinny dipshit to greek statue. And yeah, I receive like 100x more IOIs from women, and men respect me more Definitely improve your appearance every day
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 05:24 PM
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I think being fuckzoned is worse since it involves much more physical contact with another person. Agreed. Nowadays I feel sorry for the girls I fuckzoned in my early PUA career and regret doing it. Sex is a mutual sharing of intimacy, admiration, and vulnerability. Every fuckzoned girl becomes more cynical/unhappy, and more likely to make the men around her cynical/unhappy as well So basically I made the world a worse place just to have meaningless sex. Though I guess you can only care about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 05:19 PM
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Holy shit your comments are insanely accurate. Well done
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 05:04 PM
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Red Pill advocates men use PUA strategies like alpha male frame and Dark Triad game (cultivating Machiavellianism, Sociopathy and Narcissism) to build a facade around who they truly are and it only works for men who naturally have those traits to begin with anyway. Personality is dynamic, not static. By consciously making an effort to act in a way that is attractive to women, you'll eventually become that way unconsciously. Fake it til you make it is real Red Pill gives false hope to sexually in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 08:25 PM
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Agree. But my point is that it's unsound to use that study as an argument against being a SAHM if it doesn't account for differences in other areas In the end, it's all about having control over your life. I think being forced to be a SAHM because you have no education/skills is as bad as being forced to work because your husband doesn't earn enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 07:19 PM
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Well, on the flip-side, how is TRP advice supposed to work on all men with problems? These men can't even remotely all be the same. Worked for me, and for a bunch of other men. Even if it doesn't help everyone, it certainly helps more than mainstream advice, and DEFINITELY more than female advice You tell me. I see average women starting families with average men, and they are relatively happy. Except 80%+ of all marriages fail. Failure as in, the marriage ending on a divorce, or in partners che…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 07:15 PM
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Does that study control for income/class? It seems ridiculous to me that stay-at-home moms, who only worry about the home, are LESS stressed than employed moms, who worry about home and work Only possible explanation is that SAHMs are generally poorer than employed moms & therefore are more stressed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:13 PM
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What the hell? Do you even realize that's the exact opposite of what I'm suggesting? I said "men who get casual sex without having to resort to PUA and TRP for advice." Oh, I misunderstood that part. Still, the men who naturally get casual sex are usually highly extroverted and hot. So they will likely give advice that works for them, but not necessarily for you, like "be yourself". I don't see at all how such advice is more effective than TRP I don't know what's sadder... that someone came up w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 10:30 AM
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Height: short men can still be hot, and can still fuck shorter women Race: I admit white men have an advantage (I'm latino, I've seen a lot of girls reject me in favor of whites. Painful). Still, if race is that important, why do black dudes get laid so much, probably even more than whites? Chin/jawline: actually, proportional facial growth is the result of your diet, not genetics. Read a book called Deep Nutrition for more information on the interaction between food and genes. Also, you can sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 10:17 AM
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Also, actually good looking guys (male models, 10% that most women INITIALLY want) are often feminist or leftist and sadly many short guys (very short) are these sort of various anti-feminist. They often don't know that they are 10%. Not my experience at all. The hottest guys my age (23) I know IRL were actually really ugly as kids/teens, but they started looksmaxing in high school or college. Though some of them are blue pilled as fuck (others are wary of women), they are not feminists BTW this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:09 AM
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1) Ask men who get casual sex without having to resort to PUA and TRP for advice Which is exactly how I found out about TRP. An ENTP friend of mine who is really good with women despite being average-looking introduced me to PUA, and through PUA I discovered TRP 2) Maybe even ask women who are into casual sex what they want (the Internet would be a GREAT place for that, so long as those women aren't men trolling forums) In other words, asking fish how to catch fish. Mating is war, you don't ask …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:56 AM
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Right, so men should probably look for a new way to get what they want which actually yields better results. LOL this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum. What's your solution? Asking women for dating advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 06:31 PM
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My point is: women have an internal conflict of interests that results in contradictory behavior, especially sexually. In no way did you explain how the same thing happens to men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 04:07 PM
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Lol you just spurted nonsense in a pseudo-scientific way. You still haven't explained how I am wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 11:53 AM
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Having an amazing LTR pushed me a bit towards BP I guess (I treat women much better now than in my extreme RP days). But still, the only reason I even achieved that LTR was because of TRP, so I remain red
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 10:37 PM
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Shitty idea, there's basically a 99% chance someone or both will cheat. I doubt the "successful" LDRs mentioned in this thread didn't involve cheating either Now if you don't mind cheating/being cheated on, go ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 10:32 PM
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Without the ability to kill or fuck whoever we want to, we're all going to be somewhat perpetually miserable Strange assumption, as the vast majority of men show no desire to kill anyone. Even if there were no laws punishing murder, like in most indigenous societies, men aren't on a rampage killing everyone. From a psychological perspective, it's actually men that have a greater conflict as in development, they endure what women don't have to: realising that they are something different from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 10:12 PM
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The conflict is not nearly as intense in the male psyche. Men can much more easily articulate what traits/behaviors turn them on. Whilst women demand traits/behaviors that make her less sexually attracted to her man (be nice, be supportive, communicate)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 07:30 PM
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hotchickswithdouchebags.com
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 06:41 PM
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So how do you explain aggressive masculine men having significantly more/better partners than unmasculine men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 06:30 PM
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Do you deny that women are turned on by aggressive masculinity, or are you just disagreeing with the tone of my message?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 06:08 PM
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Each woman has a war raging inside her psyche. That is, her conscious ego's interests (being loved) are fundamentally in conflict with her inconscious id's interests (being thrown around by an alpha) To make matters worse, they can verbalize the former, but not the latter. Which only serves to confuse themselves and the men around her Only top tier seducers understand this. Most men fail in some way. Beta cucks ignore her id, whilst alpha assholes ignore her ego. Neither will have satisfying rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 02:39 PM
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Abs & game
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 11:05 AM
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Society lies to people like you in order to control them. Being a "good man" is not necessarily in your interests, but be assured it's in society's interests Now that you know this, disregard everything that doesn't fit your interests. Welcome to the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 10:52 AM
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I think not even looks can make up for these. Back in my incel days I was already decent-looking, but I would check all these boxes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 03:37 PM
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xNTx women look dangerous to me. If they understand red pill/48 laws of power/psychology/game theory, and are attractive, they can get literally anything out of life with almost no effort (most women could do this, but they spend their whole lives on emotional autopilot) Just look at Cleopatra
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 07:13 PM
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To pull that off, you just need to find non-red-pilled, lonely INTPs/INTJs. They are usually pretty smart yet really easy to manipulate with sex. I've been there; if my first GF hadn't blown up our relationship, I would've never found out about TRP and she'd have a betabux for the rest of her life haha Downside of that strategy is that sometimes they flop/underachieve. So you might end up sacrificing your youth for nothing at all EDIT: Most men aren't nerds making six figures+ in some backend co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 06:55 PM
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It's generally awkward to give advice anonymously, especially on something that impacts one's life deeply. However... this doesn't sound like it will end well. This girl has more red flags than a communist parade, e.g: high n count feminist cheated on her bf has had an abortion If your game/looks are good enough to land a safer girl, I'd certainly drop her. If not, it's a tough decision, because I know how hard it is to go without sex for a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 06:47 PM
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I don't disagree. But instead of expecting a man to care about household chores, she should just marry someone smart enough to earn money & afford a maid. Which is actually pretty easy since most nerds are undersexed and easy to influence
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 06:45 PM
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Depends on the man really. If she's marrying a low IQ/low conscientiousness couch potato, she deserves it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 06:31 PM
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It's not like there's a threshold that should not be crossed; it's a scale. 4 partners by 30 is "higher risk" than, say, 1 partner by 25, even though by today's standards that might be lower than average
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 01:00 PM
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It's a heuristic. On average, high n count women are objectively riskier choices than low n ones. Even if there are exceptions, it's generally true
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 11:32 AM
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Only lesson I derive from this is that it's a dumb idea to get married if you cannot afford a maid
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 11:22 AM
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Interesting. So red pilled xNTx women are actually really similar to red pilled xNTx men, in terms of social pragmatism
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 11:14 AM
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Nah love definitely exists, but I agree that it's insanely misunderstood and warped by society
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 06:08 PM
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Being a feminist Being certain personality types (ESFP, ISFP, INFJ). These types are full of drama and not worth the hassle Being a social media thot It's not like these kill sexual attraction though. If they're hot, I still get a boner Back then I would pursue them for a pump and dump, but nowadays I prefer not to waste my time with them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 12:40 AM
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Men: Lift & learn game Women: Choose a good BF and treat him like a king
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 12:27 AM
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Depends on the average height of his location. I'm 5'11" but I'm taller than like 80% of people where I live, giving me a massive advantage Also I've seen short dudes pull tail. It's really only a matter of game
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 12:13 AM
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Actually nowadays I'm looking for an LTR, I think men eventually tire of meaningless sex after a year or two But yeah, women fucking a man yet rejecting him for a relationship is insanely rare, and its equivalent (a man rejecting an attractive woman for sex but still being her friend) is even weirder They're the exceptions that prove the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 12:10 AM
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A man on the reverse side can also get pumped and dumped if he was looking for something more. Literally has never happened to me, and I don't think it has ever happened to most RPers. Even if it happens, it's so rare that it's the exception that proves the rule So in your mind are prostitutes are losers? In everyone's minds they are losers
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 09:21 PM
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I am already doing myself. I just cannot stand when people ask for advice and receive irrelevant platitudes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:12 PM
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Not really, online game is really effective if you're somewhat attractive, and doesn't require you to leave your house (except when you go to the date) Meanwhile, ugly musicians with no game go out twice a week only to return home alone and fap into sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:07 PM
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Not really, TRP acknowledges that most women want commitment from an Alpha, and the CC is only practiced by damaged women, or at best as a second-tier strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 11:20 AM
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And as a PUA I never banged a girl that wouldn't accept a relationship with me if I had proposed it. More commonly, they'd beg for it Also, if the guy is coming back for sex and you're still giving it away for free, you're losing even harder
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 11:15 AM
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Right, but OP asked for advice on how to get laid. To which the most effective answer isn't bullshit like "get some interesting hobbies!", but simply "maximize your looks and learn game"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 11:03 AM
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Survivor bias. Those people would be even healthier/more attractive had they preserved their bodies. In reality, look at how 30 year old party girls look like they're 50 Though the main point is, not everyone likes parties. Personally I abhor them, definitely a negative experience overall. No matter how much I drank, I still didn't manage to pull any tail in night parties until I had been lifting for 2 years. But if OP enjoys getting wasted, then by all means go for that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 10:56 AM
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Don't try to pick someone up. It's counter-intuitive, but letting them come to you works great in college Yeah being passive and waiting for girls to magically fall on your lap is a great strategy for a man
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 09:14 PM
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Agree with the post, except: drink, smoke, party, don't stay in studying on a Friday night unless you absolutely have to. Don't do that. You'll fuck up your health, and in most parties all the hot girls will already be taken by hot guys anyway. Trading your health/time/money for sex with uggos is definitely not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 09:13 PM
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Hobbies and interests don't mean shit, just looksmax and learn game Women would rather fuck a Chad who plays xbox all day than an ugly guy who does 123190 random interesting things
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 09:10 PM
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Mating is a war game, a pump n dump is a scenario in which the man is the clear winner and the woman is the clear loser. A slut basically has accumulated losses, therefore is shamed In the same way, the friendzone is a scenario in which the woman is the clear winner, and the man is the loser. And men who get friendzoned all the time while remaining virgins are shamed for it EDIT: and platitudes such as "I only wanted sex anyway" (and its equivalent, "I don't want to have sex with her anyway") ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 07:26 PM
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Lol this thread has turned into BP useless platitudes (just go outside and you'll magically find women to fuck despite your lack of looks/game!) vs incel counter arguments Who would've thought
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 07:12 PM
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Q2: How often do you flirt? Literally every time I socialize. With unattractive girls, attractive girls, and even with men (in a no homo way, just banter) Q4: Do you think people who flirt should have an obligation not to lead someone on? No Q5: Have you ever been flirted at only to find that the other party wasn't being serious? Once, by a highly sociopathic girl. I don't think non-damaged girls will flirt without interest Q6: Have you ever led someone on by flirting with them? When I flirt wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 06:17 PM
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Being shy might not get a bad reaction, but it doesn't accomplish anything either There's a reason most incels are introverts Also the only time a girl made the first move on me was my first GF. And that relationship was a fucking trainwreck
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 06:05 PM
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Ideal partner is completely different in skills, strengths and weaknesses, love languages (yes, this is preferable to similar love languages) but similar in values, sense of humor, and sex drive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 05:56 PM
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Any tactic that makes it seem like a man is looking down on a woman and sees her as an inferior rather than an equal. The tactics in my comment above all treat the woman like an inferior, and they're still effective. Hell, didn't they even make a study that said women are attracted to "benevolent sexism"? The decision to sleep with a man is (if she’s not incredibly drunk) a conscious, rational choice They can also consciously make the choice to be fit, yet America is one of the fattest countries…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:55 PM
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When I say "spergy" I don't mean literal autists, who have Asperger's Syndrome. Just behaviors such as overanalyzing, social awkwardness, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:43 PM
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It was more likely that she'd break up with me for being too beta than not enough beta, honestly. I even gave her flowers once :(
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:38 PM
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In my experience knowing a lot of people IRL with those types, a non-spergy INTx under 25 is the exception rather than the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:35 PM
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If you're an INTP or INTJ or another spergy type you definitely need TRP in order to sleep around. And I still go to parties every now and then, but I really think they're overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:23 PM
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I have never done drugs and I rarely drink alcohol, and dislike parties in general. You don't need that to sleep around, day game and tinder are enough
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:05 PM
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She moved away because she still lives with her parents, her father is from the military and was relocated. She even begged for an LDR, but I declined (and that was literally our only fight in the entire relationship)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:59 PM
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By your logic, you should be also shamed for not caring about false rape accusation victims
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:54 PM
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If their need for justice is smaller than the downsides of claiming it, then they will not have justice. This has never been a problem. No downside, no upside. Now, if someone has upside with no downsides, someone will have downsides with no upsides. As an analogy, let's flip a coin: heads, you pay me 100$. Tails, I pay you 10$. Would you accept it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:53 PM
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I would never abandon my values for pussy. However, "being honest even with those who are dishonest" is not one of them. And women are not honest in sexual matters
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:27 PM
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lack of ethics will repel women I thought even blue pillers had admitted this is false? and people in general who are otherwise ethical Agree, which is why I'm actually ethical in all my affairs (except when gaming chicks). Ethics is a massive human accomplishment that has facilitated our survival by allowing mutual gain in risky situations. Still, if your goal is sex you'll have to compartmentalize especially for LTRs when you both parties get to know each other better. This is also false thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:20 PM
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If you can't get women without lying and manipulation, maybe you should reevaluate your ethics. Because ethics is what gets you women -bloop logic
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 02:57 PM
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Now this is a reasonable comment. When a man starts having beliefs in the inferiority of women and using tactics that could potentially turn them off I'm curious as to what tactics you meant? Dread, DHV, pre-selection, amused mastery are all universally effective tactics. Negs and DQs are good sometimes (but should be avoided when you know the girl is already into you) A man who dislikes or disrespects women is going to be seen through by many intelligent and intuitive women This is the same fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 02:13 PM
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Lol this reminds me of when I didn't understand shit tests. "Women are so unpredictable!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 01:36 PM
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Most women can see through TRP tactics Not most, only a tiny tiny minority. Also, even if they see through it, it doesn't matter. Men "can see through" makeup, yet it doesn't make them less attracted to the woman. Attraction is irrational TRP won’t make an average man high quality This argument is like saying "having a map will not take you where you want to be". Yeah, not without time & effort, but that doesn't mean the map is not necessary I don’t think that TRP is some magic key that will mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 01:21 PM
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There is probably a % of RPers who are still virgins (especially those who've known it for less than 2 years), which means TRP does not guarantee sex A better question is: what strategy is more likely to get you lots of sex other than TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 01:07 PM
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Creep shaming and #metoo will exist for as long as they bring benefits without risks to its users Only way to solve it is by adding symmetry of risks to it: make false rape accusers be punished as harshly as rapists
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 12:57 PM
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No they will just resort to passive-aggressive tactics such as shaming men into initiating They're already doing it in Japan
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 12:52 PM
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Yet having little to no sex with someone you "love" is far worse than having sex with someone you don't "love" Also masturbation does not bring the same physiological benefits as sex to men, so your reply doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 01:26 AM
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What happened to your gf?? She had to move away. She was the only one who made me feel like I had a heart. 4 months of relieving bliss, and now it's back to cold cynical pragmatism, and all for a reason I was utterly powerless to avoid (unlike the first breakup, which could've been prevented by being less beta) With other girls, the tedious things were just chores I was going through in order to have sex, but with my last GF I actually enjoyed doing them just because she was legit fun
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 01:13 AM
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N count over 30, and only with two girls did this happen. My first GF (back when I was a non-cynical beta retard who was abused and didn't want to see it) and my last GF (with whom I actually enjoyed spending time, not just fucking. That girl was one in a million though) Tedious things: shopping, meeting their families/friends, going to parties (really annoying as an introvert)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 12:36 AM
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I'm not sure where you are getting these numbers from where thots outnumber men who mistreat women? Common sense. Betas, the vast majority of men, pedestalize women. On thots being extremely common... are you really going to contest that? Lol And what is that garbage about female nature = toxic. Many perks of female nature (hypergamy, branch-swinging, social media abuse, attention whoring, contempt for betas) are brutal for men. I personally don't think it's toxic, as they have no control over i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 12:13 AM
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Irrelevant platitude. If he has obtained better results by "treating them like dirt", he has no reason not to keep doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:57 PM
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I did acknowledge that it's factually valid. I said it's not a good anti-RP argument, for the reasons explained in OP
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:54 PM
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Pragmatically, yes. Morally, you are still lower than the asshole exploiting women, however. Because men need sex to live, and you don't need the money you'd get to live (unless you were so insanely poor that you'd actually be morally justified in doing that. Sort of like stealing food to survive is more morally acceptable than stealing a car)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:47 PM
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From a pragmatic point of view, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:37 PM
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Does that mean that we can stop shaming women for being hurt by men? Never seen an RPer on this sub argue that "feminists are just bitter" because you choose to date selfish toxic people Agree, with the caveat that the amount of "toxic" females is much higher than "toxic" males. Thots are almost the majority, assholes who mistreat women are extremely rare ("toxic" in quotes because female toxicity is just nature, and male toxicity is a pragmatic response. Both are justifiable & therefore not tox…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:36 PM
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Again, you're missing the point that pragmatism =/= sadism. (Successful) RPers are trying to maximize rewards, not destroy women I’ve been the victim of racism as a black woman. Does that justify me calling all white people racist? If you obtained gains by calling them racist (in the same way men obtain sex by treating women poorly), then yeah, you'd be justified from a pragmatic point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:26 PM
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These can be flipped around and the same holds true First one definitely can't. Women are much more eager to throw drama. Second one yeah, which works to reinforce my point that monogamy isn't sustainable What evidence is there that men don't? High amount of unhappily married men, ever-growing unwillingness of non-desperate men to marry, high cheat rates Vague, PPD-cliche bullshit right here with a ton of projection and confirmation bias from being around the Manosphere for too long. That sex qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:21 PM
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Because men from all over the world face similar problems
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:59 PM
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The part we disagree on is the % of RPers who are really misogynistic/vengeful. I really think it's only a minority of them. At least of the successful RPers anyway. Most drop their hate/anger when they're sexually satisfied
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:58 PM
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This is a dumb idea as well. Women will not reward you for investing that, ask any player
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:46 PM
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I don't hate women, I just act in a way to maximize the rewards I get from them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:38 PM
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Because if they hate men as you say, why would they be married?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:14 PM
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I believe, I just see it for what it really is and not some esoteric, incomprehensible phenomenom
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:07 PM
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I know some women who have been very hurt by the men in their lives. They react to this by treating all men as dangerous. They do their level best to manipulate and play power games with the men in their lives in order to get what they want from men without getting hurt in the process. And my criticism to her is not "you're only doing that because you've been hurt", but "you're reducing your chances of happiness because single women are significantly more likely to be unhappy". Reverse does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:04 PM
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Yeah, but in the end, the heuristics learned at TRP end up improving the lives of its members Also, most purple pillers admit TRP is far more objective/truthful, even if not 100%, than TBP
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:57 PM
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I don't disagree. The only difference is feminism promotes ideas that reduce female happiness, whilst RP promotes ideas that increase male happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:54 PM
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Call me crazy, but I don't think you should do cruel or immoral things even if they "reward" you. I could fairly easily bully or trick a lot of people into a lot of things that would materially benefit me, but I don't. You're not crazy, you're just afraid of doing such things because the social monkey brain calculates that the risks/drawbacks always outweigh its benefits. Which isn't always the case, but we evolved like this (in a tribe, if you behaved like that you'd be ostracized and die) And …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:52 PM
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There is no war, unless you choose to participate in one. Women want to throw drama/negativity at their husbands. Men don't want drama/negativity Women want to deny sex from men in order to gain power. Men want sex all the time Women want to get fat. Men don't want to be married to a fat woman Women want loyalty and monogamy. Men want variety and poligamy Women demand behaviors that reduce their man's attractiveness in her own eyes. Men want their women to be sexually attracted to them List goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:47 PM
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Only if it is to have sex or gain power in some way. Which by definition is pragmatic, not sadistic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:32 PM
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Debate strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:30 PM
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If they are biased, so are blue pillers. So the argument still doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:30 PM
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And if women reward these behaviors, it's their fault, not RP's. If women were sexually aroused by betas, RP would be the exact opposite of what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:28 PM
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Humans will always have a biased outlook, this is unavoidable. Current culture especially has a massive bias pro-women But that's not the point of the post. u/Mr_Smoogs said it all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:02 PM
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I don't feel "shamed", I'm pointing out that it's an illogical argument that has been used many times For instance, here
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:59 PM
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I don't personally care about being "shamed". I am just pointing that it is a logically unsound strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:54 PM
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Neither. I investigate the reasons for the failure, and adapt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:50 PM
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Heh - so we're back to what I say is in-practice use of "beta" and no one around here believes me. They're wrong Men who are attractive have also been hurt by women. Why? Not every relatively attractive woman finds every relatively attractive man attractive. Agree, but that's not the point of the post. I don't know if mating is a "war" or not, but it's your choice to opt in or out of that "war." Where there is a conflict of interests, there is war. Male biological imperative is fundamentally inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:48 PM
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As I've said in another comment, pragmatism =/= sadism. RP's goal is to satisfy the needs of men, not to get revenge by destroying women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:40 PM
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You are confounding pragmatism and sadism. Most RPers aren't going out of their way to actually emotionally damage women for revenge, they're just doing what gets them results
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:36 PM
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What's your definition of beta? Who else is in that category under "etc."? Beta is anyone who has trouble attracting women. As for the "etc", there are also PUAs, sugar daddies, sadists. Manospherian men are being shamed and shit on for doing a "180" and becoming the asshats who hurt women as a de-facto revenge plot even if the specific women didn't deserve it. To me, being a player is more a pragmatic defensive strategy than some revenge plot (though I don't doubt there are some "Alpha Agents o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 05:31 PM
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TRP's argument that women are subrational children or teenagers-at-best is an extreme exaggeration and it frequently becomes genuine misogyny Another strawman. TRP position is not "women are irrational children", but "treating women like children is an effective tactic Edit: I read the rest of your post and noticed your position is actually the same as TRP's, you just disagree with the way it's presented. Which happens because the language is pragmatic and heuristics-focused. You sound like you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 04:33 PM
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You realize there is a whole world if people out there who’ve never even heard of RP/BP who still object to misogyny right? It's not misogyny, it's pragmatism. Also, just because a lot of people believe/do something, it doesn't mean it's correct. E.g most people get married even if it has like a 5% success rate I don’t have to identify with a pill color to call out bullshit like “society is set up to give women everything they want,” “women can’t love men,” “all women want to be abused” etc for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 02:04 PM
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You specifically said BP exists to mock RP. Mocking is a form of bullying, especially considering the men who find RP are usually low value You can call your side whatever you want, but actions and results are the only thing that matters Empathy is defined as "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another". Women/BP don't just ignore the feelings of aforementioned men, they also actively ridicule them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 01:36 PM
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That I’ve yet to see a TRP who swears by RP who can articulate how it actually improved their lives, other than finding a safe space to vent. There are several men who post "before and after" pics, field reports, sometimes even write books (Roosh). Granted, some of them are probably BS, but if any amount is true, they're still evidence that TRP helped their lives Common sense tells you that if what TRPs believe is true - that 80% of men can’t get sex TRP never said this. The actual position is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 12:56 PM
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Hell, this very thread. Literally not a single anti-RP argument that isn't a strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 12:08 PM
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Agree. Incels' problem is precisely their personality, not looks However, unlike the retarded Disney-esque BP creed suggests, it's not because they are "mysoginists". it's because they're not aggressive/masculine enough While they stay on forums discussing lookism and sanctifying Chads, some random black xSTP dude with game is being actively chased by multiple girls despite never having read the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 11:21 PM
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It has a strong positive effect on my game, and my ability to attract other women. I still have low self-esteem though, mainly because I have no money. And money >>>>> women Like I currently have 2 plates, but I'd 100% trade my position with an incel earning 100k at 23 y.o (I actually know one!)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 10:23 PM
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Exactly. Silly thread
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 10:13 PM
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Why would women want that? They can afford being irrational/inconsistent because they're already unconditionally accepted by society anyway Though if you want to become rational in order to live a more efficient life (a laudable goal), just read more non-fiction. Especially on things like psychology, game theory, strategy, finances, philosophy This btw is why NTs are the kings of society
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 10:09 PM
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Only proves how most women nowadays are highly unsatisfying and rarely deserving of commitment. Considering the proportion of alphas to betas in the world, it's likely that there were a lot of beta herbs in that survey, and still a majority of men don't want anything to do with women besides sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 07:23 PM
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TRP and "genuine relationships" are not mutually exclusive at all. I don't understand why bloopers still believe in that fallacy In fact for 70% of men, learning TRP will vastly improve their relationships, if that's their goal
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 11:08 AM
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Disagree. The definition is too static, when in reality men are far more dynamic and variable E.g according to OP I am Alpha to my plates, but Beta to my former LTR. Even though my levels of serotonin/dopamine have remained the same Alpha vs Beta is really just the ability to attract women. This definition is the best you'll ever see: https://www.heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/amp/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 10:08 PM
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Lmfao I agree that tinder is aids, but this shit was next level betatude/psychocuntitude America is really beyond repair
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 09:56 PM
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I only really had two relationships that lasted more than 3 months. First was a blue-pilled, oneitis-fueled abusive one that lasted 2 years, in which she broke up and left me in shambles, causing me to discover TRP and become a player Then 3 years later I fell really hard for one of my plates. I started an LTR with her. That was the happiest I've ever been, felt happier dating her exclusively than when she was just a plate. But we recently broke up because she had to move away. (She tried to con…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 09:54 PM
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I mean I'll try to go for mutual benefit whenever I can, but in case it's not possible, I prioritize my own interests
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 02:42 PM
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Been rejected over 50 times, but I've rarely rejected girls (unless you count "not making a move on girls who were giving me clear IOIs" as my rejecting them) Also in those 50+ rejections, only twice or thrice was the girl actually a bitch about it, instead of just politely declining. And those were barely HB7s, I negged the shit outta em
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 02:40 PM
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Depends on your social circles I personally avoid ones where pop culture (e.g soap operas, celebrity gossip) is dominant, and join ones that discuss more interesting (to me) themes such as relationships, psychology, politics, bodybuilding, soccer
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 09:08 PM
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Yes there are a tiny tiny minority of anormal females with dysfunctional sex drives But 99% of the time a woman drops the "I have a low sex drive" rationalization, it's because her man is a tool Whenever my plates threw that shit at me, I magically cured their "low sex drives" with dread game
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 08:45 PM
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There are no low sex drive women, only unattractive husbands/boyfriends. CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 04:36 PM
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No, I have seen people talk up their ugly SO. It's a cope mechanism It's the same thing as working in a low pay, dead end job (i.e flipping burgers at McD) and saying "this is my passion!" While everyone knows you'd rather be earning six figures in a more respectable job or entrepreneurship, but are too incompetent to do so Cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 10:20 AM
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Lol you're delusional if you don't think you can "work on" your nose minus surgical options. Even if you have a shitty jawline/nose/whatever, there are a million ways of improving your looks. Lifting, skin care, body language, hairstyle, clothing. PUA is also a cope for ugly men. Agree, the sex you get from game definitely must help dealing with your ugliness. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 03:11 AM
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If looks were relative, then people would associate at random, which means there would be a larger number of hot + ugly couples than hot + hot ones (since hot is rarer than ugly) Which is not what happens in real world
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:41 AM
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Looks are 80% objective. But people think it's subjective because: It serves as a cope for uggos. I mean, lazy uggos, who CBA to improve their looks Ugly men can still fuck hot women by lifting, or learning game, or earning money. And ugly women can still fuck hot men by using tinder, or slutting around When the difference between objective looks is small enough, say, by 1 point or less, it really doesn't matter and can be overriden with personal preferences EDIT: OP, don't be surprised about pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:32 AM
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Yeah, with other fat ugly people, and with whom they would never fall in love/marry/fuck if they weren't desperate and lonely This argument makes no sense. Looks are mostly objective, though random racial preferences & fetishes may come into play when comparing two similarly beautiful people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:22 AM
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"Normie" is someone who follows mainstream culture/fads/practices, doesn't browse the internet much (outside of social media), and is generally a xSxJ type in MBTI typology
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 02:12 PM
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Wtf? Baldness almost doesn't even matter. Any ripped bald guy is already in the top 1% Also men only permanently hit the wall after like 60 years. Even some fat, broke 50 year old can still lift for like 3 years and then clean up with hot 30 year olds (I've seen this happen twice irl)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 12:14 AM
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Came here to post this. No way a normie will ever find this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 12:09 AM
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On a subconscious level? Definitely more than 99% of people On a conscious level (e.g accepting this fact, not trying to rationalize it away, and actually maximizing looks)? Less than 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:54 PM
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Yeah and evidence of this is how rich criminals never get laid Oh wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:52 PM
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Focus on money It's pretty much the only thing that matters in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:33 PM
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Because the biological goal is to have a lot of sex with different hot women TRP is a strategy on how to achieve that. Why should it care about random outliers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 12:30 PM
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If my GF earned more than me but stayed the same (loyal, respecting, etc), then that's great, no worries However, realistically that wouldn't happen, because everyone who has power will eventually abuse it. Hence I have no reason to not to earn more than her, to stay in the stronger position
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 12:12 PM
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In my experience, ESTP women are into it (do you know about personality types?)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:51 PM
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Meant unattainable*, thanks And beta is defined as any behavior or trait that lowers SMV. (Which means there aren't really "beta men", but "men with predominantly beta behaviors or traits". But that's for another thread) If you have a mix of alpha/beta traits, you will have lower SMV than if you were pure alpha. But yeah, you will be fine if your SMV is high enough And actually, it's not healthy to be a pure alpha. The only pure alphas I know are in jail (but they still pull ass)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:41 PM
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Alpha = increases SMV. while Beta = decreases SMV. Therefore, the only scenario in which you should act beta, is if your perceived SMV is so much higher than hers that you run the risk of overgaming and cause her to think you're unattainable edit: changed attainable to unattainable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 06:36 PM
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Interesting, opened the article expecting him to be ugly as shit, yet he's more attractive than a lot of my player friends Goes to show how game >>> looks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 05:52 PM
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Honestly I don't see what's wrong with "being a narcissistic sociopath" as long as you're not breaking any laws People who disagree with this, are just not self-aware enough to realize that they have done much worse things in the name of self-interest Meaning of life is to maximize your position (become insanely rich), then afterwards maximize the position of a lot of other people (use money to improve the world) Anything other than that is BS emotional rationalization
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 05:48 PM
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You're confounding oneitis and love. (But 99% of people don't know the difference either, even on this sub) Oneitis a neurosis that you get when you believe you cannot succeed with other girls. Love comes from being experienced with women and rationally understanding that your current partner is optimal enough, that you're psychologically compatible. (Yes, this means that I don't believe a man who marries the first girl who touches him is truly "in love", just oneitis)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 08:05 PM
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Lol what a load of bs in the OP. If post-wallers think the reason they're single is because they are "too nice", then tell them to be a nagging bitch to her few suitors to see what happens Meanwhile, all wise women understand the fact explained on this link and are getting ahead on the SMP
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 07:29 PM
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as I've said, a relationship with your dual is still satisfying other than that, most relationships are just insecurity-driven fear of loneliness, and are actually a net negative. which is why 90%+ of marriages fail
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:26 AM
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As a man you definitely need sex. It vastly improves your life. You become more confident, more attractive, happier, etc Relationships on the other hand are ridiculously overrated, and are rarely worth it unless it's with your dual (the personality type opposite to yours)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:28 PM
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Lol sure... meanwhile, betaman123 washes all the dishes, listens to all her complaints, does beta things... and gets deadbedroom'd / divorced anyway It doesn't really matter whether you're alpha or beta. Once she thinks she can do better, it's over The only way to guarantee never suffering a divorce is to never marry
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 03:21 PM
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i did, but they were also weirdos and we were all virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 09:27 PM
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tbh that sounds more like a lack of game (or social skills, if you prefer) than weirdness. I'm weird as fuck and it didn't hurt me as a PUA, maybe even helped it's time to binge the ol' heartiste, my friend
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 08:45 PM
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Q4All; Do these findings match your personal experiences/observations? pretty much, with a few exceptions. i know two ESFP instagram thots who are perfect 10s yet are riding the cock carousel on hero mode (oh boy, when they hit the wall...). other than that, it seems that the high-tier women are either single, or paired off with high-tier men Q4All: Assuming the study is accurate, why do you think attractive men and women diverge in sexual strategies? it's each gender's biological imperative. if…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 07:13 PM
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thank god we haven't though, INTs have been pushing humanity forward in science, technology and art up to this day also, it doesn't really matter that you're weird once you've looksmaxed and learned game. women don't have a personality detector lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 07:00 PM
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indeed, changing your CORE personality is impossible. and i also acknowledge some personalities have it easier than others. ESxPs on average have far more sex than INTPs (no stats to prove it, but it's honestly self-evident) however, people who say "personality is more important than looks" (our parents, the church, the media) KNOW it will be interpreted as "just become a good person and you'll be loved", and the losers who follow such advice believe it because it's too easy to do it compared to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 10:08 PM
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"personality is more important than looks" is a lie society tells us to make us feel better, because it's far easier to change the former than the latter. and the "personality" they promote is being a subservient pushover ("happy wife happy life!"), in order to facilitate consumerism, but that's for another thread "he/she doesn't like my ugly ass because he/she is shallow" is just a cope mechanism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 07:16 PM
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high earning career (assuming she doesn't become less attracted to me, though this would certainly happen), pretty face, low body fat
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 07:07 PM
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Why are you asking women lol Anyway the single answer for your question is this: not giving a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:10 PM
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The way I see it, TRP tactics won't work on Blue Pill Women since Blue Pill Women have read and understood TRP tactics and strategies and would likely have developed counter measures against those tactics lmao that's like saying "make up/breast implants/heels won't turn RP aware men on because they will know it's fake". IRL, feminists sleep with RP "misogynists" like every day because of that, an LTR is also possible of course, depending on whether the RP man wants to commit. personally, feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 04:25 PM
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exactly this. also, this is not a good post; it's the equivalent of someone posting "Q4W: why do you date assholes?", to which all the women would answer "i don't, go ask the women who do"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 12:39 AM
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Hardly, because they literally value themselves on that AND the audience expects them to have high numbers. Wrong environment to answer the question. ... and women literally value themselves on having low n, and on being the ethical sex Self reported data is better than some bullshit anecdotes and conspiracy theories. Sometimes it's the best available information that you have. both self reported data and anecdotes have no way of being factually verified, that's their weakness. in other words, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 12:32 AM
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so if i went to the RP sub, made a poll asking "how many women have you fucked", and received a higher number than the average n-count, would i have "proved" that "TRP readers have more sex than average"? of course not. self reported data is not solid evidence for anything because it lacks skin in the game. when people say something that does not directly impact their lives or incurs in some risk for them, what they're saying doesn't matter. your study is essentially as ridiculous as claiming th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 08:45 PM
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clearly women. which is easier to find: a male feminist, or a female MRA?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:29 PM
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yeah, but your "data" is flawed as fuck, doesn't account for skin in the game. how do you know that the women who claim to hate players aren't secretly fucking them? how do you know that attractive women aren't lying about n-count? that study is as good as a personal anecdote
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:27 PM
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idk there isn't really a set amount. some weeks I'm horny as hell and would easily have sex thrice a day, in others i don't really care. but i think if your GF/wife isn't putting out, it's probably because your game or looks have taken a hit. female sexuality is a system that rewards or punishes certain behaviors, even if women themselves are not aware of this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:02 PM
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hard for me to say it as i'm not one, but from what i've seen from my ENFP male friends, it seems they also do well at witty infantile game
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 10:58 PM
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yes, drama from other people is fun. however, if you ever become close to someone who values Se (xNxJ and xSxP), you'll see how quickly they wear you off
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 09:41 AM
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online, sure. but IRL we are pussies, just like INFPs (due to PoLR Se). it's too psychologically hard for us to stand up to emotionally charged arguments, drama, shouting
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:54 AM
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see, that's exactly the problem: nobody gives a fuck about each other or society, as long as they are having sex and consuming crap. the third world is materially poor but spiritually rich, and the first world is materially rich but spiritually poor. if you are so dead inside that you honestly cannot see why this is a problem, then we'll just agree to disagree. let women stay being pumped and dumped, and average men stay in involuntary celibacy/solitude
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:06 AM
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And what are the "facts" that these feelings are contradicting? that society would be better if they didn't occur. i don't understand, do you disagree with this? It's unfortunate. However, that's not what cucking means. semantics I disagree that individualistic hedonism is universally bad, after all, this is the arguably the most hedonistic time in history, yet it is the safest, the cleanist, and the most comfortable. every society that forgoes morality to engage in hedonism, quickly destroys it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:43 AM
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i don't know Roosh very well, though he strikes me as someone who is pumping and dumping mostly out of pragmatism rather than sadism. he has written several articles about the condition of the west & possible solutions, about hoping to find true love, etc. Rollo on the other hand is married, raising a daughter, and literally saving lives with his work (considering BP conditioning leads a lot of men into killing themselves)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:27 AM
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How is degeneracy putting feelings over facts? because it serves as a justification for behaviors that fuck up society. women "feel" like cheating, "feel" like divorcing, "feel" like they don't need no man to raise a kid This is nonesense. not at all, just take a look at what's happening in Europe. in particular, rapist refugees I believe emphasis family and religion is entirely putting feelings over facts. Most religions also place emphasis on love, peace, and a certain amount of community - th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:20 AM
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disagree, many high-level red pillers such as Roosh/Rollo/IM(/Jordan Peterson?) are actively trying to fix society. the "enjoy the decline" group is mostly made up of recently RP'd anger-phase men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:10 AM
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Women aren't getting wet by stoic self control and a quiet disposition. tbh they are, but not all stoicism is equal. ISTP stoicism (e.g James Bond) makes them wet, but INTP "stoicism" is generally just conflict avoidance INTPs are better off running witty charming childlike game than the dark mysterious stoic game
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:00 AM
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uses or has used tinder constantly criticizes men (e.g assholes) the 1KCS tattoos (i don't know why, but there is a huge correlation)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 01:16 PM
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touching post, but i strongly disagree with some points you made there first, stop putting "love" on a pedestal. love is not some magic reward you earn for being a good person, love is just a mechanical process that humans evolved in order to make the species stronger. understand how the system works, then exploit it, by maximizing your looks, status and game. judging by how you "aren't interested in ONS", and the way you pedestalize love in general, your problem seems to be a lack of game (whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 12:35 PM
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not at all... if anything, it will help you find them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 02:56 PM
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social circle game is trash IMO introverts have few and small circles being a "friend's friend" doesn't improve at all your chances of getting laid in comparison with being a stranger it's absolutely a no-no for game beginners due to gossip you will waste a lot of time and energy with petty drama you might have your reputation scarred
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 02:53 PM
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in my experience, attractive women are better in bed, but because they inspire me more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 02:46 PM
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yes, it is important to me. it's not exactly a turn off if she is not that much into it (esp if she's hot), but sex with a horny chick is EPIC. wild sex with horny 8 > starfish sex with a drunk 10 that said, 99% of the women that call themselves "low libido" would've been massively turned on by a man whose game or looks are good enough. become the man women want and you'll rarely find a problem with libido
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 07:12 PM
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even if the number is inaccurate, my point is that a much larger amount of women engage in thot behavior, compared to the amount of men who engage in asshole behavior. therefore, men are more accurate in saying "most women are thots" than women are in saying "most men are assholes", which defeats the top level comment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 11:54 AM
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let's see. asshole behavior: cheating manipulation/emotional abuse (e.g dread game) violence now, thot behavior: seeking validation on social media partying around unchecked hypergamy comparing the two lists, only a tiny minority of men engage in the former, and a large amount of women engage in the latter. therefore, your point is false
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:21 AM
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depends on how "physically imperfect" if it's just a few pimples or extra pounds in an otherwise pretty girl, I'll take it if she isn't even hot enough to warrant a boner though, then back to the friendzone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 12:56 AM
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with the small difference that assholes are like 10% of all men, and thots/branch swingers are 90% of all women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 12:51 AM
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she checks all the boxes in this list
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 10:18 AM
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partially agree. but the concept of "leagues" is just a shit test really. too many times I've been rejected in favor of guys who were much uglier because they had better game agree agree with title, disagree with explanation. women want a psychologically dominant man (aka a man with game). none of the things you mentioned matter at all for getting laid agree agree, with the caveat that it is actually possible to change her mind about sex by pushing further (though it's usually not worth the effo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 10:15 AM
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she's 20, I'm 23. she has decent ass/tits, but personality is the game changer
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 08:29 PM
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One can only wonder how many.. https://i.redd.it/xi28gwjzrd211.jpg https://i.imgur.com/prnh6Pw.jpg https://i.redd.it/dshtforsg2211.png do you need more examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 08:28 PM
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the somatotype theory is a myth dude. there are plenty of "ectomorphs" who achieve greek-god physiques in like 2 years. in fact, lifting is EVEN more important if you're skinny or obese
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 12:10 AM
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i wish i knew the answer. it's irrational i guess... like I've banged a lot of women, yet i have oneitis for my current GF. i think she is really a NAWALT/unicorn, though RPers would hate that answer :P
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 11:45 PM
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Lol of course they are going to say crap like that. Most betas in that sub don't even have a single male friend. Don't expect them to understand what a 10 year male friendship is
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 11:26 PM
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fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:48 PM
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things my GF provides that my plates never did: cooking massages emotional support gifts access to new social circles kink
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:37 PM
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a single attractive respectable woman is better than multiple plates. however, if no such women exist in your area, might as well go with the plates
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:27 PM
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as a former plate spinner, disagree. unless ofc if your area is too full of thots and uggos
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:18 PM
5

definitely the best societal system possible (compared to primal AF/BB), but it's a shame marriage has been corrupted in such a way that rational men will avoid it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:13 PM
6

aunts: 3 of them are single moms mother: she has been loyal, but my father is pretty alpha grandmothers: same as above sister: used to be pretty AWALT, but now is RP aware thanks to me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:09 PM
1

lol what i find interesting about gymcels is they refute their own theory about women only caring about looks, then still fail to learn what women really want your problem is a lack of game my dude. binge read heartiste, go to a random party, and say goodbye to inceldom
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:59 PM
1

how old are the two of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 01:57 PM
9

yes, feminism is better for the individualistic RP man in the short term... but it's a net negative for the society, since it punishes women and BP men TRP is split between those who care about society, and those who don't. the former are usually MRAs/tradcons, and the latter are PUAs/MGTOW the logic of the former group is "let's try to maximize collective happiness and minimize misery", while the logic of the latter is "enjoy the decline"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:22 PM
2

i already have a gf tho ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:07 PM
3

idk, a few months ago i would've said your post is trash; but for the first time since taking the pill 3 years ago, i find myself in an exclusive LTR, and i really relate to it like, looks-wise my GF is not even in the top 3 hottest girls I've banged (though she's at least an 8), and yet she makes every other woman look underwhelming as fuck 1 good woman who treats you like a King is really superior to 100 thots edit: then again, the relationship is still new. let's see what happens
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 07:41 PM
1

RP is full of cynical nihilists (not that i don't understand why), and when you are in the dark for too long the light is unbearable
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 07:29 PM
2

agreeableness, femininity, sexuality, cheerfulness, high-energy, responsibility, loyalty, wordly wisdom, practical skills (eg cooking & cleaning)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 07:19 PM
1

condoms are now required at boy scouts you're behind the times lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 02:09 AM
8

there is definitely a causation relation. extremely political people IRL are generally unattractive; they don't take much care of their bodies, and are SHIT at flirting/receiving flirts massive turn off for both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:01 PM
4

not at all. no matter how well they fake it, even the most idealistic couples are full of drama also that guy looks beta as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 07:55 PM
2

neither lol 80% of MGTOW are just men who gave up. you wouldn't call someone who quits League of Legends after being Silver for a whole season because he claims the game is toxic as a "successful LoL player". and purple pillers are just fence-sitters, i don't even respect that. also 99% of people with purple flair in here are clearly belonging to either the blue or red side truly successful internalization of TRP takes hard work, and the endgame is either becoming a skilled PUA, or a strong patr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 10:32 PM
1

for an LTR, the chaste one. for a PnD, the slut
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 10:21 PM
2

what women want on a conscious level is vastly different from what they want on an unconscious level... which is where attraction happens that's why it's pointless to ask them directly what they want, you need to observe and imitate the behavior/appearance of the men they bang
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 10:17 PM
3

low iq: incapable of understanding complexity and setting a long term plan for life, will just follow what most people are doing low aggression: too weak/passive to challenge any social norms low willpower: slave to evolutionary weaknesses, will predictably do what his unevolved monkey brain tells him to do (eat a lot, get in debt, waste all his time on cheap entertainment)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 08:43 PM
7

men are less predictable and generalizable than women due to higher variation in traits like IQ/aggression/willpower/"alpha-ness" etc (the higher he is in these traits, the less predictable) though there are some patterns you can make. all men: prefer fit women over excessively fat/skinny women (0.7 waist to hip ratio is king); prefer symmetrical faces; prefer clear skins; prefer agreeable women; are down to fuck most of the time; would enjoy being polygamous if they had the chance
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 08:32 PM
1

My gf claims that women only have long-term mating strategies. The "bad boy" women bang for a ONS? She actually wants to tame and seduce him into a loving, long-term relationship definitely true in my experience. women would gladly take a single alpha who commits over 20 pumps and dumps by different Chads + 80 orbiters any day of the week. AF/BB is just female counterplay against the soyfication of western men; it's not fulfilling at all compared to being loved by a man you actually respect
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:45 PM
1

Well, since the vast majority of humans, male or female, fear social ostracism and legal consequences males fear it way less, which means woman are less capable of murdering then you might as well say that there is no such thing as genuine kindness, period there is, but rarely. as I've said, it has to come from a position of strength. the reason most people don't commit crimes is not "genuine kindness", it's just fear of being caught. mental experiment to prove it? the ring of Gyges. ..The same …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 01:50 PM
1

the vast minority, a number probably even lower than the number of divorces that the man "initiated" because the woman was intentionally being a bitch to force a divorce also let's not pretend that people wouldn't still blame men if the stats were reversed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 12:52 PM
1

my bad, i would've answered sooner but my connection shat the bed These are not mutually exclusive. no, but one is more accurate than the other I do however believe that if women were magically given the same physical strength as men, that men would still commit more violent crime due to women's greater levels of agreeableness. Caring about social consequences is part of morality, at least in most people's conception of it. i don't disagree with either point, but if women kill less due to agreea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:20 AM
0

incorrect reasoning; women were not "locked", they were doing what they thought they did best: child-rearing. historically, women who were not interested in family life and decided to focus on sciences (e.g Marie Curie) still contributed. yet they are a minority feminism has "freed" women for 100 years now, and they remain outclassed by men great-inventions-wise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:51 PM
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It is nonsensical to assume that women commit less crime because of weakness unless you can somehow prove that strength is a cause of criminality. It takes no particular strength, physical or mental, to fire a gun or commit fraud. incorrect statement. killing someone requires not only the mental resolve to endure the social penalty, but also the ability to physically place yourself in a position where you are able to dominate the other. your position is that women don't do this because they're m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:44 PM
2

yes, if one of them compares what men and women do in a position of equal power (marriage), compared to an asymmetrical one (saying men are less moral because they kill more is like saying a lion is less moral than a rabbit)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:23 PM
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and the majority of divorces were initiated by MEN before the divorce laws where changed source? and even if that is true, does that mean you acknowledge current divorce laws greatly favor women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:09 PM
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that's just because they're too weak/passive to kill, not because of female morality kindness from a position of strength is virtue, kindness from a position of weakness is just self-preservation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:56 PM
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intellectual difference: most of humanity's greatest inventions came from men moral difference: 80% of all divorces initiated by women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:25 PM
6

Lol female "pickiness" is overblown as fuck on reddit. It's not like chicks will only bang Brad Pitt; the reason for growing inceldom is because most men are becoming soy cucks who either have no idea about game, or they think it's "immoral" Practice game for like 6 months and tell me if you still haven't landed at least an HB7
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:48 PM
2

a bit, yes, but it's more about the overestimation of it. most of the content we read about love is so bullshit-filled that it's laughable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 11:51 PM
2

indeed, but with the money i could spend my whole life doing whatever i want and stay in an endless loop of positive neurochemicals with "love" i would be happy for a few months and then it goes away and i would be trapped in a relationship with fewer freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 11:19 PM
1

yes, and some of them are greater and more lasting than love. I'd rather experience winning the lottery than "love"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 10:21 PM
1

love is a neurochemical reaction that certain sexual beings evolved in order to facilitate reproduction and parental investment, generating stronger offspring of course, it has been ridiculously romanticized throughout the history of our culture; most people are far happier believing in fairy tales than the ugly truth in the end, to me it is just a psychological weakness that for some reason evolution hasn't hammered away. still, you can somewhat fix it through meditation, stoicism, detachment
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:54 PM
0

why is that? game isn't necessarily spinning multiple plates, there are many family-oriented men who use game to strengthen relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:02 PM
3

Lol are you claiming that game = rape? that's a new position
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:00 PM
1

eh, i don't disagree, but game is the easier solution poor men with tight game get more and better pussy than rich men with no game
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:52 PM
2

i think there's a cause & effect error in that study. it's more likely that high IQ kids tend to have low T because of behavioral, rather than physiological reasons e.g if the high IQ INTP/J kid stays home all day playing videogames/reading/watching tv, while the ESTP/J kid is far more physically active (despite being less intellectually gifted), the former is going to have much lower T levels than the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:03 PM
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touching story you're right in that we RPers claim that women have better chances of happiness if they choose family over career. however we also understand that this is only true if the woman marries a good man. as you've experienced, even SAHMs can be miserable if they marry an abusive asshole anyway don't treat RP as the word of God. in the end you still choose your own path. if to you the risks of potentially investing your life in a shitty husband outweigh the joys of family life fulfillmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:42 PM
4

and considering postmodernism preaches blue-pill-ism, the number of incels will only grow only way to solve this issue is the dissemination of game. but since that goes against the feminine imperative, it won't happen enjoy le decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:26 PM
1

how many women have you actually approached? im pretty sure over 95% of women were receptive of my approaches, even though half of the time i didn't even get a number edit: for the record, i don't even consider myself in top 20% of looks. i have an average face and a good physique, and that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:43 PM
1

lol what? rollo is xNTJ, IM is clearly INTJ. the only famous ENTP on the manosphere is roissy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 04:23 PM
12

disagree, women still want to love and have sex with a man (just not a beta). women in fulfilling relationships with an alpha are way happier than those trapped in an AF/BB cycle
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:18 AM
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absolutely agree. it's so sad that the optimal male strategy (spinning plates) is in direct conflict with the optimal female strategy (being a great wife/gf), but such is dating during post-modernism
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 01:08 AM
2

i am not rich (yet)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 11:34 PM
1

abs and game. that is more than enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:44 PM
1

reasoning is: not lying and having sex > lying to have sex > not lying and having no sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:41 PM
1

nah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:34 PM
1

she's really cool. maybe i am infected with oneitis again heh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:25 AM
1

my tests are not perfect, but they are so hard that currently I've met a total of 0 bitches who have passed them all (though one of my plates has serious potential) however, if i do get an LTR, it will be because the girl has showed time and again that she's a keeper. i dont believe a girl I've just met, even if she's hotter, can compete with a time-proven great woman. what if she is secretly a thot/drama queen/etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 12:48 AM
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soulmate does not exist, don't fall for that trap though if i were in an LTR and found a supposedly better girl, I'd still stick with my LTR. if a girl has meritocratically advanced through my rankings, from plate to FWB to LTR, she automatically deserves that place better than some bitch i just met
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:27 PM
2

https://www.mdedge.com/psychiatry/article/101471/personality-disorders/what-do-700-letters-mass-murderer-tell-us-about/page/0/2 this link won't load unless i register. what was the percentage they found? if it's like 50%, then that's still 350 "normal girls" who are getting wet for mass murderers, i don't know why you think it saves women's repuation And spend the rest of their lives in jail too? Or receive capital punishment? If so, then they really only have themselves to blame. ironically you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 08:01 PM
1

did you not read the link?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 06:37 PM
3

Yes, by mentally unstable, BPD women [citation needed] even then most men would rather fuck BPDs than remain incel
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 06:36 PM
1

if behavior doesn't matter, how does that average looking guy literally have girls killing each other for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 06:26 PM
1

you don't need to think about it during your time with her. you just need to be aware of it in order to have a clear mind when making decisions, so as not to fuck up your life "in the name of love"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:49 PM
1

so this is what "good appearance" looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:28 PM
6

David Hogg is a kissless virgin, Nikolas Cruz is receiving fan letters in prison nothing else needs to be said about this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:22 PM
3

love is just neurochemicals flooding your brain everything else is just the collection of rationalization hamster maneuvers people come up with to avoid facing the ugly truth the sooner you accept this, the sooner you will enjoy realistic love
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:11 PM
1

no because my father is alpha. his loyalty comes from a sense of masculine values like honor and family zuckerberg and other BP cucks' "loyalty" comes from a scarcity mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 03:02 PM
1

yes? just because he is a "harvard student" it doesn't mean he can't be evaluated on his ability to attract women. which is pretty bad btw, if my nibba wasn't a billionaire he would probably be an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:52 PM
0

definitely. ugly/low status men with strong asshole game are insanely attractive to women. drug dealers, starving artists, etc get way more quality pussy than rich betas (like Zuckerberg) the whole "leagues" concept is just a way of rationalizing rejection IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 12:35 PM
2

she's a post waller. she's not in my league ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:21 AM
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there is no such thing as "leagues". your game is either tight enough or it isn't in my first year of lifting i was already pretty hot (in part thanks to good genetics), but because of weak game/beta behavior i was still getting rejected by girls uglier than the ones i can date now
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:39 AM
2

only if i forgot all my RP knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 12:23 AM
1

i want a woman who values what i can give, and who can give what i value
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 11:57 PM
3

TRP's goal is to motivate self-improvement. if TRP transforms an incel into at least a gymcel, then it's already quite successful
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 10:55 AM
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monk mode is just "focus on hard self-improvement and ignore everything else" it's being misused when introverts treat it as an excuse to avoid socializing (which i did). if you do not have strong social skills yet, ironically going out and practicing them should be one of your monk mode priorities
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 10:52 AM
4

they still see masculinity being painted negatively in TV shows/news, women in their families complaining about sexism, rapists, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:44 AM
1

it's an undeniable fact that sex is more enjoyable for men. and i don't know how you can claim it "has nothing to do with standards of women being too high" when women rate 80% of men as below average but either way, the only solution for women's problem is paradoxically to return to a male-centric status, woth women relegated to second class citizens if society promotes masculinity, there will be a larger percentage of high value men who will be able to satisfy women sexually if instead women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:41 AM
2

men can grow more attracted to women whom they had to "teach" (to be feminine). why can women not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:29 AM
4

apex fallacy, only the most extremely aggressive (and low IQ) of men aren't prone to being affected by what education/media/culture does most likely, a tiny percentage are aggressive regardless of nurture, another tiny percentage are effeminate regardless of nurture, and the majority depend on the culture that's why most scandinavians are soy and most Afro-Americans are alphas
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:27 AM
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age does not matter, only fertility/personality all men would rather marry a well conserved 35 y.o than some 27 y.o fat feminist though yes, it's far easier to look good in your twenties than thirties if you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 01:41 AM
2

just walk up to one and flirt with him. betas receiving sexual attention are like a man in a desert who encounters a drop of water after 40 days of thirst the downside is that everything that is easy to obtain lacks value, so you will probably get sick of it pretty quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 01:35 AM
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i kinda do. regardless of how you see it, sex is great and is a consequence of successfuly seducing a girl, through your own merit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 01:32 AM
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strongly disagree, women have sex because they're aroused and attracted (unconscious brain), not because they rationally plan to obtain commitment. there are exceptions of course, and these are a minority of bitter cynical women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 01:29 AM
1

Actually, the statements are more like: "Always being honest isn't necessarily beneficial" or even "I don't show my true self to others" - which is more or less literally what you've said right now. again, a lot of people will answer "i definitely disagree!!" while ignoring the fact that they have lied several times over the course of their life. that doesn't mean they are honest, just that they're not self-aware (or in fact dishonest!)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 02:50 PM
1

Both of those points have been addressed in research decades ago and measures have been taken to address them. The FFM primarily measures how people describe themselves, but this has been found to be consistent, and to consistently correlate with how others around them would describe them as well as how they actually behave on countless measures. i do believe the big 5 has some validity to it (as well as the mbti), i was criticizing the studies relating "straightforwardness" to agreeableness. if…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 02:12 PM
1

strongly disagree; firstly, studies that depend on self reported data are not reliable at all, because a) people might lie, or more commonly b) people don't know themselves at all why are women (who typically score high in agreeableness) known to be highly manipulative and deceitful? about having an inner self, literally every conscious being has one. how different your inner self is from your outer self varies from person to person, but no one expresses 100% of what they think edit: there is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 01:41 PM
1

Openness: 88% Conscientiousness: 76% Extraversion: 20% Agreeableness: 20% Neuroticism: 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 12:18 PM
1

i have two selves. my introverted self (hard logic, ambition, pragmatism, philosophy, existentialism, TRP ideas), and my extroverted self (superficial charm, humor, pick-up game) if i revealed my introverted self, obviously it wouldn't work; but literally no one you meet is going to reveal their inner self, unless you've been living with them for decades
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 11:13 PM
2

I'd still be a man tough life with high potential > easy life with low potential
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 11:03 PM
4

i like this answer. i guess i lost not because of what i said, but because i wasnt IDGAF enough about it. oh well, live and learn
/r/askTRP31/03/18 03:18 PM
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i think you're underestimating the lengths people will go in order to obtain attention and status in 2018 lol
/r/askTRP31/03/18 03:16 PM
5

last night i went to a bar in order to watch my friends' band play a gig. i saw a group of 3 average-hot chicks, approached them, talked for a while, etc. in one point one of them asked me to buy drinks, and i politely declined. an obnoxious drunk loser overheard it and interrupted our conversation saying "this guy cant buy shit cuz hes poor as fuck!!", which was embarrassing to everyone. i countered with "sorry i don't prostitute myself for money like your mother" in a playful way, and we start…
/r/askTRP31/03/18 01:54 PM
2

you don't. welcome to the red pill. it's a good thing though: now that you're aware of how it works, you can consciously decide your future (as a PUA, MGTOW, an alpha leader of a family... whatever you believe fits you best)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 02:17 PM
1

females are more social and emotional, so they have far lower tolerance for loneliness than males. other than that, there are also personality traits (e.g an extrovert has lower tolerance than an introvert, a feeler has lower than a thinker, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:09 PM
2

neediness/independence is not a big deal. if you're hot and not a bitch, you will get quality men regardless of other personality traits
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:04 PM
3

women have no idea how their sexuality works, or they know but it's against their interest to give it away if you want advice on how to catch fish, you have to ask the top fishermen, not the fish
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:40 PM
2

the only way the guy is below a 7 after having looksmaxed is if he has some serious, atrocious condition like having half his face permanently burned also the reason he can't get laid isn't because he's unattractive, but because he lacks game so what i would do if i were him is just practice game and continue to improve my looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:37 PM
1

back in my BP virgin days, 5 years ago, i had a girl approach me and ask me out. she was a 6, but i still got one-itis due to scarcity mentality. as such, the relationship was extremely abusive, and one day she dumped me because i was "immature" for liking things like videogames and puns and etc (funnily, this maturity queen dropped out of college this year because she is unintentionally pregnant... ESFP logic). then, a PUA friend introduced me to TRP and here i am
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:18 PM
5

"love" is really just the difference in perceived SMV between the couple. the higher it is, the more the lower value person "loves" the higher value person 4/10 beta bucks + 7/10 stacy = the beta bucks UNCONDITIONALLY LOVES stacy, gives her all she asks for, accepts having shitty sex once a year, forgives her even if she cheats 10/10 millionaire bodybuilder Alpha + 7/10 stacy = stacy gives up her life for him, cooks, cleans the house, has sex twice per day, does whatever the fuck he asks her to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/18 01:07 PM
1

still disagree. in my experience ESFJs are often standard religious women who value home/family/tradition/etc (they make for great wives, just like ESTJs are great husbands) ESFPs are the kind of women who wear small transparent clothes even in school and blow men in a club bathroom 2 times a week
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 04:37 PM
1

wtf most stacies are ESFP, not ESFJ
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 02:03 PM
1

quick, delete that comment! if SJWs find out that you said homossexuality is cultural instead of physiological, they will murder you! and yes, i do believe a significant percentage of humans are naturally gay/pedos, and that it has always been so. a strict culture may inhibit such behaviors, but they're still there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:22 PM
1

incorrect analogy; the choice of wearing a certain piece is cultural, while the choice of performing a biological function in certain way is physiological. human physiology doesn't change (as fast as human culture)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:14 PM
2

if people did it 2100 years ago and still do it now, then it's safe to assume it is "deeply ingrained"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:02 PM
2

absolutely. the rewards are far more than just sex; you, become a much cooler person to hang out with, you make new friends, you start enjoying going outside more also you're kinda overestimating the "opportunity cost". it takes like 20 hours of field practice at best. if you are actually busy making money, then maybe don't get into it. but for most people, their free time is spent on crap like videogames/netflix anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:30 PM
1

if you're under 30, it sucks. you have to swipe like 10 girls before getting a good match (as in a girl who doesn't flake). that if you're ripped and have a shirtless pic; the less hot (but still attractive) men in my social circle take even longer day game > clubs and bars > dating apps. though if you're too lazy or broke to go outside, then it's a viable choice i guess
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 09:29 PM
1

I'm 5'7, 5'8ish, skinny, (i.e. picture a young Frank Sinatra) and pretty much have a baby face that makes me look in my early 20s (I'm 28). out of these, the only one that is really holding you back is being skinny. and it's the easiest to fix. lift
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:57 PM
6

Dark triad men have higher mating success feminist woman confessing she fucks multiple "sexists" another feminist article criticizing male feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:37 PM
6

My argument is that a good looking sexist will get laid less often than a good looking good guy, and that an ugly sexist will get laid less often than an ugly good guy Lol this is not accurate at all
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:25 PM
3

interesting post. after learnning those styles, i can assure you that in my blue pill days i 100% fit the stereotype for the anxious style, and remained so until my BPD gf broke up with me, 3 years ago that led me to PUA/self-improvement, and consequently becoming avoidant. what i disagree with is the process of changing being impossible, or even unhealthy. i definitely feel much more at home as an avoidant; so unless I've actually been so since i was born and then BP indoctrination made me temp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 11:11 AM
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willingness to fuck women a couple points below their SMV and being outgoing/aggressive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 03:21 PM
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while the OP is incredibly fatalistic and not corresponding to reality, the blue pill mentality that "most men are sexually successful" is laughable to be sexually successful according to our BIOLOGICAL imperative is to fuck thousands of different hot women. the only way you can consider establishing a stable monogamic relationship with sex twice a year as "sexual success" is if you are a woman if unemployment rates were 5%, would you say 95% of the US population was "financially successful?" wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 01:49 PM
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even if, say, only 25% of women are these party girls, they're still the hottest and horniest women; the women we want to fuck the most if the remaining 75% are mostly fatties, uggos, religious, nerdy, etc, why should i care about them? they are about equally as hard to approach, but with less and worse sex also of course there are hot girls who don't party. these are also usually 900% more entitled and hard to have sex with, which makes it not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 08:19 PM
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yes, high value men won't, because they know it's a trap but every man wants a girl who is a lady in the streets but a whore in the sheets. you'll never see men shaming a woman for having a lot of sex (except for the men she won't have sex with!)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:16 PM
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feminine women: don't compete with men; have delicate faces and bodies; have gentle voices; dress elegantly (with feminine clothing); are socially smart and positive (as in cheerful, upbeat); basically are ESFJ
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:12 PM
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nah. women also act like sex devalues them, probably even more so than men every time people criticize some girl for being a slut, it is either a resentful nice guy, or much more commonly other girls trying to disqualify the competition. most average or above average men in fact would rather commit to a sex-hungry partner (but who's loyal) but in truth, women know unconsciously that sex "devalues" them because pussy is more valuable than dick. it's basic economy; if a woman has a lot of sex, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:03 PM
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go to r/brogress and check out the pictures of guys with 1 or 2 years on the gym and compare them to andy murray. then tell me "he can't achieve a physique better than that" Also, you probably don't even know what physique women find attractive, you probably, wrongly, equate muscularity with attractiveness. yeah women only like skinny guys, i wish they'd give a muscular guy like me a chance :(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 05:38 PM
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if you take someone like Andy Murray, he could hardly be in better physical shape are you kidding me. literally any skinny guy can achieve a physique better than that in around one year in the gym with proper diet athletes want the physique that better gives them chances to win, which is not always the physique women find most attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 05:20 PM
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1) not really. physically dominant men with mediocre faces get laid much more often than skinny guys with pretty faces 2) that is their fault. when i go out i often just wear a plain, well-fitting v-neck and it does a great job. 3) it doesn't just do that. it turns your body into one women actively want to have sex with Incels talk about being "gymcel". There might be slight truth to this. i don't doubt they exist. however, 80% of incels are virgins not because they are irrecoverably ugly, but b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 12:02 PM
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Yes because your feelings on this topic matter as much as their feelings. It's anecdote vs anecdote and there's no way to determine who's correct by just saying that this is how you feel. as I've said, that people are "falling for the BP trap" is a concrete fact. it's not my "feelings" There are a fuckton of guys who never were Nice guys so if i claim that the millions of jews who were killed by Hitler are evidence that Nazism existed, according to your logic Nazism did not exist because million…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 02:01 PM
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if it didn't work, it wouldn't keep growing. it's as simple as that but the bloopers need to decide their point. it's really contradictory I've seen them say "it doesn't work", "it works but it's obvious common sense", "it works but it's immoral". which one is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 01:45 PM
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you gotta be kidding me. literally every singer or guitarrist or drummer i know can get laid in the blink of an eye. one of my plates even left me for a skinny junkie guitarrist dude
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 07:31 PM
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What abstract theory? You said people fall for some bullshit. (Concrete enough). that wasn't the abstract theory. that people are falling for BP bullshit is a concrete fact (if it wasn't, how do you explain the gilded comment, nice guys, WAATGM, etc). the abstract theory is the logical reasoning that causes these behaviors, which in my opinion is the PC culture I said "who cares" if it's only 250K or 1 million people out of hundreds of millions or even billions. well if you don't care, then i do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 07:17 PM
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we cannot educate everyone to become independent thinkers, and neither should we. firstly, some people just lack the mental tools for complex abstract thought (in the same way that people who are good thinkers tend to lack the mental tools to do well in physical sports) and secondly, we really need thinking heuristics. we are so constantly overwhelmed by information that if we took our time to analyze it all and make a rational decision, we wouldn't function properly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 07:01 PM
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I'm not blind to the LOUD whining of a bunch of people on the Internet. They might be in the thousands, but that doesn't make them representative of normality. Do you get this at all? so if they're a minority, "even in the thousands" (they're actually probably in the millions, seeing as TRP is at 250k subs) they don't matter at all, only "normal" people do. This has nothing to do with what I quoted and replied to (e.g. entitlement and "nice" guys). you implied "few people are falling for the tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:50 PM
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There is no evidence that one or the other is said more. If there is, provide it, otherwise I'll just assume you're saying whatever fits the narrative you want to be true. lol so unless i literally make an academic research interviewing people "what was the main kind of advice you've received?", my point is invalid? there are a fuckton of "reformed nice guy" stories, there are gilded comments reinforcing the PC culture, there are movies and shows about romantic lies. if you're so blind as to not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:27 PM
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TRP is not new because it tells dudes to lift. it is new in that it gives a much more convincing reason, ignoring all politically correct BS in the few times you see the "go lift heavy weights" advice being mentioned in normie articles/pages, the reason they say it's good is always fluff like "it makes you live longer!!!", whereas TRP will say "it is good because women are viscerally attracted to strong men and will therefore increase the amount of sex you get"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:21 PM
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lol yeah women hate muscular men. stay skinny folks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:06 PM
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all women really need to do in order to achieve romantic success is to cultivate their femininity. that is, take good care of your appearance (long hair, skin care, exercise & maintain a healthy diet) and be enjoyable to be around (don't be cocky, don't keep playing power games with people, don't be negative), and eventually men will approach you and do all the rest which is exactly the opposite you will hear from feminists. they will tell you to be a "strong, independent woman" who "accepts the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/18 10:32 PM
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i personally do. the better i am at sex, the more enjoyable sex becomes to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 01:51 AM
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it's a multiplier, actually eccentricity in an attractive man? refreshing, unique, creative eccentricity in an unattractive man? creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 01:46 AM
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stereotype-wise, INTPs/INTJs are science nerds, ENFPs are social justice warriors, ISFPs are starving artists reality-wise, girls actually fall really hard for (attractive) INTPs/INTJs because we are "mysterious" and "hard to read"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 01:44 AM
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i don't understand this argument. are you implying that "RP tenets only work on unhealthy women"? so what works on healthy women? BP behavior certainly doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 08:58 PM
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i am. what is wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 08:51 PM
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my plates are free to fuck other guys/leave/do whatever they want to do. but if i started dating exclusively, then i would expect to also receive sex exclusively
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 10:36 PM
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when i face LMR, i assume it's either a) a shit test, or b) she isn't really that interested. you can tell them apart with some cues; if the has been giving away a lot of IOIs, then LMR is probably a shit test, so i just tease and flirt her more aggressively. but if she has been constantly looking at her smartphone, giving 1-3 word replies, and acting passive-aggressive, then she's not worth pursuing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 10:32 PM
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personally? i only bang women who enthusiastically consent. that means id rather have porn-star sex with a horny 7 than starfish sex with a drunk 9. as Rollo says, it's either FUCK YES or no. never had problem with false accusations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 01:22 PM
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what i like about this comment is that it proves the RP claim that 80% of men don't even exist to women it's never been easier for the top 20% of men to get sex, i agree. to the rest: orbiting, beta bucks, divorce rape then again, i don't really mind the dating market as much as tradcons because i'd rather work hard to spin plates than to work hard to establish a family
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 06:16 PM
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ah, HIMYM... one of the bastions of my blue pill era. too bad watching it with RP lens ruins it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 07:25 PM
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yeah it all boils down to their being unattractive. women are disgusted 70% by their ugliness, and 30% by their lack of social skills - which comes from being ugly (attractive men have more opportunities to practice social skills, and socially skilled men know that being attractive is king).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 08:52 PM
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damn right. in my experience introverted girls are somehow even more entitled and narcissistic than extroverts, while putting out less sex. and im an introvert myself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 08:33 PM
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the reason we "treat women like objects" is not because we are on some vendetta to get back at them; we do it because it improves the odds of achieving sex. any experienced PUA knows that "respecting" women gets less success than amused mastery/C&F/etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 01:19 AM
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self-improvement for women: be hot don't be a bitch
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 09:06 PM
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i can certainly see "good at video games -> bad with women", but the people I've met who are good at video-games are also actually really smart and do well at school. the guy who finished at the top of my high school class is Challenger tier in LoL (the highest division) and is trying to go pro. he's a blue pill incel at 22 though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/18 04:40 PM
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yeah, and what the article says is totally false? where's your logical refutation? but it's not like i expect intellectual reasoning from people who need "scientific research" in order to prove common sense/wordly wisdom. if Schopenhauer were alive today he would cringe. keep giving your woman everything she asks for, smarter men will continue to do what's proven to work
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 06:24 PM
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http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.br/2013/12/beta-is-self-destruction.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 05:12 PM
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if women really wanted to have "equal say" in a relationship decision making, they wouldn't become nagging bitches after getting their way. if the woman takes over a marriage, both will become miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 04:35 PM
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even mild "sensitivity" doesn't mean shit. like, i've been rejected in favor of guys who were richer, or taller, or more muscular, or more aggressive, or white, or blue-eyed, or drug-dealers... but never, NEVER in my life have i seen a non-committed woman reject me in order to go fuck a more "sensitive" dude. and my preferred population isn't even the single digit IQ party hoes (who are even more firmly into assholes). all of my plates are relatively smart girls who go to decent universities
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 04:29 PM
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there are two problems with that claim: sensitivity is correlated with low testosterone... which is one of the most important hormones in muscle growth. so yes, only an exceptional minority of muscular guys are "sensitive" (in fact, 3 years of hard lifting has made me much more aggressive/assertive, and much less sensitive) the muscular assholes still get laid much more often than the muscular sensitives (that if these aren't just gay...)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 03:53 PM
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what women say doesn't matter. if they say they want an exclusive, sensitive guy but you see women making a conga line to fuck a muscular dude... become the muscular dude, not the sensitive guy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 03:08 PM
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Does anyone else think this post is ridiculous and bitter? Women ask men out all the time, but are discouraged from doing so because of guys that like to be the ones to pursue. lol the only way this is remotely close to truth is if you're in your mid thirties, and getting approached by post-wall mid thirties women. men would kill to have hot women approaching them. only like the top 0.01% of men get this benefit approaching is hard, it's a social risk. and life works like that. anything that has…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 03:54 PM
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there is no point, the debate in and of itself is a fun activity (at least to me). using logic to find truth is very pleasurable to the INTP. and this is the only place where we can discuss RP since it's so taboo irl, so we get to share thoughts freely
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 11:16 PM
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the thrill of walking up to the girl, flirting, and closing. the seduction process makes my blood boil. pretty sure I've done it over 50 times, and it still makes me feel alive
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 11:13 PM
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masturbation is like 20% of the sexperience. my point is that sexbots seems to be like at least 70%, in which case i can foresee it being relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 03:06 PM
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not at all. even men in the top 10% still have to go out and approach and etc. and relationships are always hard work, even if you're a rock star
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 10:45 AM
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then how come women are more miserable than ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 11:37 PM
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i don't think it's as simple as that. i only approach girls when i'm horny as fuck, and even then it's stressful; i'm far more comfortable being single and working on myself/my career than dealing with standard woman drama on a daily basis. i'd assume most sexually satisfied men feel the same. and thirsty men have to do so much work that it's much easier for them to just buy sexbots
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 09:54 PM
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ehh, "romantic bliss" sounds like bullshit at worst, and female solipsism at best. being emotionally invested in a deep relationship doesn't really feel rewarding to me, it seems like simply a chore and extra work (though for the woman, who is emotionally high maintenance, it's a good deal obviously). i just need quality sex, whether that's coming from an exclusive relationship or plates
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 12:35 PM
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honestly if i ever got married, i wouldn't give a shit about how smart she is or how much money she could make. i like my job and i am confident in making enough money. literally all i'd need is someone who gives me free sex, keeps the house clean and cooks well. as well as not making my life harder with pointless drama and excessive shopping
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 06:15 PM
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damn, this is really fucking accurate. number 2 is basically the story of my red pilled life. for those who are MBTI addicts like me, this is how i'd classify them, in terms of probability to prefer each style: ENTP, ENFJ, INFJ, ISFJ, ESFJ, ESFP ISTP, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ, ESTP INTP, ISFP ENFP, INFP, INTJ
/r/TheRedPill15/01/18 09:07 PM
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how many women did you approach? you can't expect girls to throw pussy at you just because you're not fat. my lays to approaches ratio is still like 0.2, despite having abs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 09:30 PM
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i meant irl. but judging by your post history, i can believe it :P
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 09:14 PM
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which program were you following? i went from 130 lb skinny to 170 lb ripped in 2 years, i can pm you the book i followed (it has a lot of tips about nutrition, exercises, etc) if you want it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 09:10 PM
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yes. MBTI explains it all. the most introspective types are INTPs and INTJs. these types are already rare, being ~3% of the population. and since women are usually feelers, they're only like 20% of INTX types. even then, they still exist. notable examples: Ayn Rand, Hannah Arendt, Marie Curie irl i've met 2 INTP females too, but one is a fatso and the other is a lesbian. never seen an INTJ female
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 08:42 PM
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im not sold on that. i literally don't know 1 ripped guy that has trouble getting laid. from asian to indian to blacks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 12:07 AM
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for some reason, in my gym it's always upper body day for men and lower body day for women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 11:49 PM
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jesus christ these people must be a massive buzzkill irl. "sup babe wanna have some fun?" "I'm sorry, can you please specify your opinions on women, men and relationships first?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 03:54 PM
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look at one of the top comments: If you're dating a guy who can't fucking talk about important subjects like his beliefs about men, women and relationships, get out of there, it's not worth it. lmao imagine being this obssessive... instead of playing the flirting game for mutual amusement and fun, these neurotic women are out here trying to proselytize every person under the sun
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 03:49 PM
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holy shit, awesome read. i don't believe we can stop cultural collapse though. history shows that every civilization, no matter how large, eventually falls. the west is no different
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 02:43 PM
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the benefits of marriage are children and company in your elder years. for an extrovert, i'd imagine that would suck
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 02:33 PM
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it's not really that men inherently "have no incentive". a lot of high value men, even in TRP, still want to marry/have kids/lead a family. they don't see plate-spinning as an end, but as a means. the problem is, marriage has become corrupted in western society. as soon as you say "i do", a loaded gun is placed in your wife's hand. then you proceed to play a game of constant performimg, working, providing, enduring emotional storms. and if you falter, good luck with the following divorce tl;dr i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 01:14 PM
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lol this whole "men need to be more emotional" is just another society-wide shit test. everyone has emotions, but emotions aren't usually productive. and because men are more resistent to them they're (rightly) expected to stoically endure them for the good of the society. if everyone just indulged in feelings, society would fall apart
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:32 PM
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disagree completely. from my experience, there are only 2 kinds of men who intentionally date bpd women: 1) psychopaths, who thrive on drama, and 2) low self-esteem betas who believe they cannot land a nicer girl who is equally hot as the bpd (me before TRP) "emotional rollercoasters" are absolute hell for any non-psychopathic man, ask most guys if they prefer a supportive relationship or a drama-full one and they would mostly take the former
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:14 PM
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this still doesn't explain why she posts a quasi-naked picture that very obviously sexualizes her...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:03 PM
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ESFP women are usually dumb as fuck, no one takes them seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:00 PM
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it depends on your standards and life goals. like, i'm happier spinning plates than in exclusive dating, so to me every woman that is at least a 7 and isn't psychologically unhealthy or a nag is automatically a high quality woman. if to you it's a 10 who likes video games and anime, cooks, is 100% loyal, wants to fuck every day, never stirs up standard woman drama... then yeah, there aren't many
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 10:41 PM
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yeah... then why do they still keep banging these men? "Our research was limited to the perception of static facial photographs". it doesn't matter what women claim they find attractive, only what kind of men they're fucking
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:01 PM
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you're confounding correlation and causation. men aren't "attracted to bpd behavior", they are attracted to hot chicks. assuming equal beauty, every non-paychopath man actually prefers dating nice girls than crazy bitches. having dated a bpd girl myself, i can guarantee you it was only because of 2 reasons: she was hot and dtf. in fact, if she wasn't crazy i would've never even found out about trp
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 07:45 PM
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Their main finding wasn't that women are attracted to DT. It was that DT men have much lower standards in regards to their short term mating partners and thus are more successful. lmao so you think DTs are banging landwhales and low SMV women in general? or do you mean women with poor morality and bad personalities? if you mean the former, you're delusional. if you mean the latter, then i can agree. but the optimal masculine sexual imperative is getting laid with many different hot women, not co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 05:02 PM
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you do realize incarcerated murderers still get laid, right? have you seen the women visiting their convicted boyfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:17 PM
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because morality is inherently detrimental to achieving status?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 03:34 PM
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was forced to learn it following my break-up with my BPD first gf. even then, there's only so much dominance an INTP can learn. compared to my ESTP/ESTJ friends, i'm basically a butterfly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 03:32 PM
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i've already linked this before, but dark triad traits are sexually attractive to women. so yes, if you place all the men in the world on a morality spectrum, the men on the imorality axis (gang leaders, dictators, tyrants) are much more likely to get laid than the other end. also: Plus what's the point of being a morally good person in general? If you rape you have free sex, if you steal you have stuff for free, if you become a warlord/dictator you have basically unlimited power. do you realize…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 03:21 PM
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if i considered myself a 4 and for some reason an HB9 were (genuinely) sexually attracted to me, then i would logically conclude that i must be an 8 or higher, therefore raise my self-esteem. but that doesn't really happen in the real world. for example, if a friend tells me i'm a great guitarist, i will believe they're only doing it in order to protect my feelings. but if a famous band tells me they want me to play with them, that's a different thing. however, bands don't ask bad guitarists to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:51 PM
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(1) i only use facebook and whatsapp for social purposes, but not much. i use reddit and youtube (do these count?) much more, mainly for self-improvement and entertainment (2) i've gotten laid from tinder a few times, probably more than the average man but less than the average girl. and even then, i've been flaked on/cockblocked/deemed not interesting enough by some girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:31 PM
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obviously, but for every "my woman cheated on me therefore every woman is trash" cuck, there are like 10 white knights who will jump to the woman's defense
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:27 PM
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only in less civilized, hyper religious societies such as muslim countries or in the bible. in post-modern america/europe, female infidelity is more frequently met with empathy and rationalizations, and is certainly more common
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 11:45 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:57 PM
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mild contempt is the correct term. i dont consider myself a mysoginist because, except for my first gf, i like women in general. but i don't treat them as equals (much less superiors) because that only reduces my odds
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:42 PM
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this is the only sane answer in the whole thread
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 08:28 PM
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eh, they're your generic skinny pimply white boy. they probably weigh like 100 lbs at 5'8
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:11 PM
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the incels i know irl aren't that bad. they treat people nicely, aren't douches, etc. they're just really fucking ugly. and even then, nothing that proper grooming and 3 years at the gym wouldn't solve
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:03 PM
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leave them be. the more dudes become like this, the more women are available for game-aware men
/r/TheRedPill01/01/18 02:27 PM
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i don't know where he got that from. this discussion doesn't even make sense. men don't give a shit about the woman's age, they only care how hot she is. i've seen 40 year olds i would definitely fuck before some 22 year old landwhales.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 09:44 PM
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the more you need sex, the less you deserve it.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/17 01:17 PM
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from a biological standpoint, it makes sense for a man to be fucking a lot of different women, but i don't see what a woman gains by fucking a lot of different man. as such, 40 year old bachelors banging 22 year old HB9s are way happier than 40 year old spinsters/single mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:30 PM
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i felt there was chemstry, and afaik my approach was solid. they rejected me because they were loyal, simple as that. these 5 girls were all approximately HB8s in my eyes, the only big difference i could notice between the 3 that rejected me and the other 2 was that the loyal ones have higher IQs. i could be wrong, but i believe the more intelligent a woman is, the least likely it is for her to cheat (because she can better control her impulses)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 05:59 PM
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5"11 chad here. i have only scooped up girls from other dudes in 2 out of around 5 attempts or so (in all 5, i considered myself superior to their bfs in smv). i'm not posting pics of myself, use your imagination ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 05:33 PM
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easiest way to keep new year resolutions: stop giving a fuck about it and start your journey immediately. there is not a reason to delay it until the start of the next year.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/17 03:47 PM
0

it doesn't change with age, but it certainly does with healthy habits (and in the more extreme cases, plastic surgery)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 11:20 PM
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i'm 22 and most of my plates are 18-20. from my experience the hottest 22 year old girls i know only seem to bang guys who are 26+
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 11:18 PM
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ever since i discovered casual sex, i see women/relationships as an unnecessary burden, but maybe in the future, facing the dread of growing old alone, i will change my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 07:18 PM
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100% agree. and from my experience, committing to an exclusive ltr is the quickest way of drying up a girl's pants
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 01:19 PM
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i don't disagree that this seems logically consistent, but tbh i'd still pick the ESFJ sahm over the ENTJ corporate queen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 08:48 PM
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i don't know him very well. he was a coworker who kept complaining about women never giving him a chance (because he was ugly as fuck), and approximately 1 year after he left the office, a lot of people were gossiping about him, and he indeed looked hot on his fb pic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 01:31 PM
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indeed, i have no fucking idea about the details of it. i just wanted to make a point that it seems to be an interesting concept
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 01:13 PM
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exactly. even if we somehow ended up in a feminist utopia without any trace of "toxic masculinity", i fail to see how that guy wouldn't remain a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 01:07 PM
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i actually would endorse plastic surgery. assuming you have enough money for it (which if you don't, then you should focus on reaching financial independence before focusing on girls) i know a guy who was an incel at 28, but his family was insanely rich, so when he inherited his father's company, he spent loads of money into looking good. and today, obviously, he slays
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 12:54 PM
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they know that they would be more attractive, what they don't know is that their sexual life literally depends on it, and that if they remain ugly, the only girls they will be banging are nagging landwhales
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 07:40 PM
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you're severely underestimating how deep blue pill indoctrination runs in the mainstream culture. mental experiment. if you put teenagers to answer this question: "what kind of man are woman attracted to? a) skinny guys, b) fat guys, c) guys in shape, or d) it doesn't matter as long as the man has a good heart" most of them would answer d). in fact, i asked a few cousins of mine, aged 15-18, and they would answer d) as well another example, check this thread. the chick spews a load of politicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 05:06 PM
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other than drug abuse, this description fits perfectly my first GF. then again, breaking up with her was the reason i got into TRP, so i am thankful
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 07:56 PM
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maybe not in STEM, but in any social sciences major feminism is preached like the word of God, and you know it very well. the professors use terms like "toxic masculinity", "mansplaining", "patriarchy" more often than tumblr fatties
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 07:51 PM
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lol what are you talking about? the very education system already disincentives masculinity, you can very clearly see this in college, where feminism is basically the official religion the only "really masculine" men i've found in college are either red pillers, or low IQ brutes who don't give half a fuck about culture (typically ESTPs)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 03:17 PM
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yet men are literally practicing dark triad tactics in order to obtain sexual success
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 01:35 AM
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whichever has bigger boobs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 01:03 AM
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this. trying to bang coworkers is the quickest way of having your career ruined by sexual harassment accusations from power-hungry bitches. act professionally and move on to other girls
/r/TheRedPill12/12/17 03:46 PM
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maybe, but fwiw i ended up banging her like 6 months later, without ever touching drugs. still, i guess different girls require different types of game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:11 PM
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effeminate behavior definitely causes you to lose smv points, but if you're hot enough you can get away with it anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 01:26 PM
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she did it every now and then, but she wasn't/isn't a weed junkie
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 01:21 PM
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weakness is a massive turn-off for women, and they're bad at differentiating kindness from weakness. i remember an occasion around 1 year into knowing trp, where i already looked pretty good but was still unskilled at approaching. so i was celebrating a friend's birthday in this college bar, and i was competing with another "chad" for a certain girl. this other guy was a tattooed weed dealer who was way less muscular and well-dressed than me. i courted the girl from the very moment we met, paid …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:30 AM
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PUA is essentially a variation of trp. i have never even heard about maxim magazine. my dad has a different view on women (he wants me to marry soon). and my bros were actually the ones who introduced me to trp
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 11:12 AM
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between two equally hot women, every man would rather approach the less bitchy one. however, bitchiness seems to be correlated with sexual value because the hottest women can afford to be assholes, and it's hard to be a nice person when you're powerful edit: and this is different the other way round. between two equally hot men, women would rather fuck the more asshole-ish, because women are fundamentally attracted to dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 11:36 PM
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disagree, ive been blue pilled for 20 years and red for 2. the reason i don't change my mind isn't because i'm close-minded, but because blue pill is simply unable to develop a more accurate logical framework. most blue pill arguments on this sub are politically correct unhelpful platitudes like "trp is not moral", or "NAWALT, i don't do the stuff trp says women do!", which doesn't help at all the root problem (barring trp, there isnt a source that gives useful sexual strategy advice for men)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 11:30 PM
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why the heck would you care about morality? just ask them out. if you get rejected, move on to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:37 PM
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the "test-retest unreliability" is because self-reporting tests will always be unreliable. if the user does not know himself well enough to answer the test correctly, it's on the user, and maybe also on the way the test was written. it does not refute the validity of the cognitive function model. there being "little scientific evidence" about it does not mean it is fake. absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence. even today, science is extremely limited, more so in areas like the human conscio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 10:19 PM
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red pill INTP man. and ironically my favorite girls are ESFJs. in my experience they cook, are very comforting/caring, laugh at my dumb jokes, aren't feminist paranoids. also if you think the MBTI is akin to astrology, you must not be very smart
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 03:02 PM
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only the top 20% men can afford to do it though. it's way more common to see women branch-swinging than men, and divorce usually rewards the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 10:32 PM
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only when the man in question is of lower value than his woman (though since nowadays women's egos are inflated as fuck by social media, the opposite is more likely to happen)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 10:00 PM
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in my experience it's not like this at all. what defines whether or not the guy is creepy is the SMV difference between him and the woman he's approaching. when I hit up an HB6 or lower with a simple "wanna bang", they actually laugh and are acceptant of it; however, the last time i did it with an HB9 in a party she just slapped me...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 01:05 AM
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yeah but the meaning of "creep" being discussed in this thread isn't really "serial killers", but low SMV men trying to be sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 01:01 AM
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had to google him. can't see how you think that guy is higher than a 7 in smv, and even then he wasn't called a creep by the women who he approached, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:54 AM
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ok man. highly attractive men are never called creepy irl. end of story
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:50 AM
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because chads are never called creepy irl. end of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:41 AM
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where are these statistics, if i may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 12:21 AM
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my mother is smarter and earns more than my father, but he isn't insecure at all and in fact is one of the most alpha guys I know edit: as for myself, one of my plates is wealthier than me, and i don't mind it either. in fact, i believe any rational man would choose the wealthiest between two otherwise equal women. but it's mostly likely that the wealthy women that will reject less wealthy men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 12:17 AM
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ask any men: "would you rather marry a virgin, or a girl who's fucked 30 guys?" ask the female behavior: are sexually experienced men more attractive than virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 12:15 AM
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guys with a high N-count aren't damaged, it's literally the opposite. if a girl bangs everyone, men are less likely to want to marry her. if a man bangs everyone, women are more likely to want to fuck him
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 11:54 PM
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nah, I've been smart/quick witted since I had low SMV and girls didn't laugh much at my jokes. OP is definitely right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 11:33 PM
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no, they keep the betas enthralled by teasing them with bits of sexuality (the same way the chads keep their plates enthralled by teasing them with bits of commitment)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 03:52 PM
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it's still not illegal. plus girls do something similar with their orbiters (they keep them in their friendzone never fornally rejecting them)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 03:25 PM
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what's wrong with that? people can do whatever they want as long as it's not illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 02:45 PM
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lmao that comment showcases the importance of TRP perfectly well. where are all the blue pillers saying "no one gives bad dating advice in the mainstream media"? people prefer comforting lies than the hard truth, no wonder religion is such a hit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 02:30 PM
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and? does it make your comment any less stupid? you literally claimed that because an idea isn't widely accepted, then it's likely incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:19 PM
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hey women in Muslim countries! if you have to hide your ideas and be someone else, maybe your ideas aren't great! hey atheists in middle age! if you have to hide your ideas, they probably aren't great! hey jews in nazi germany! if you have to hide your ideas, then they aren't so great!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:08 PM
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this article isn't fallacious by accident. politics is about negatively framing your enemy, not by proposing a fair, logical debate
/r/TheRedPill08/11/17 06:40 PM
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women in hollywood are 7s at best, the girls i fuck are way hotter than that shit. but the point is, blue pillers in their solipsism fail to realize that mainstream dating advice is currently shit due to our polticially correct culture
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 12:33 AM
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to which the blue pillers would answer: "haven't you noticed how the women in hollywood are always fit? so why arent you fit? are you dumb?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 12:18 AM
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it's not easily satisfiable for 80% of men, unless prostitution is involved
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 11:35 PM
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and yet ironically women are fundamentally attracted to these "sexual predators"...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 11:30 PM
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aside from two FWBs, none edit: i obviously have female acquaintances, but so does pretty much everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 11:10 PM
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from my experience i think women find intelligence progressively more attractive up until ~130 IQ. i've seen women dump certain chads because these men were extremely dumb, but after 130 IQ most men start becoming really obnoxious, and those 180+ IQ super geniuses are usually virgins it's kinda like height. short men struggle, and the taller, the more attractive, but past a certain point (like 7 ft or so) it just becomes weird
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 11:05 PM
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red pill isn't about hating women, it's about being aware of their nature. i personally still really like women. for instance i love my pitbull despite being aware that it can bite me or even kill me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:05 PM
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they were: watching movies/shows where the hot girl falls in love with the unattractive nerd protagonist, for the sake of the politically correct happy ending; receiving sabotaging dating advice from their female friends ("just be yourself", "you're so nice, i'm sure you'll eventually find a lucky girl who loves you"); dedicating themselves to become amazing students, which led them into an ego-investment in leftist ideals promoted by schools (they'll probably end up like hugo schwyzer); also lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 04:39 PM
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yeah in hollywood plots maybe. realistically, men will agree that certain women are objectively more attractive than others, and as such will prefer having sex with them. they only settle for unattractive women when it's their only option
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:59 PM
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nah, they don't want to eat right/exercise because they don't understand it's directly related to their chances of attracting good mates any straight man will put in a huge amount of work in order to obtain sex. it's just that they think they'll achieve it by white knighting, identifying with women and respecting them (big mistake)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:55 PM
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i actually think it depends on the woman in question's ovulation cycle. when they're more fertile, their biology screams louder and they are more likely to opt for more aggressive/masculine traits
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:50 PM
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hope not, but maybe it will happen with me because i don't feel as money-driven as my peers. pretty sure it's an INTP thing, not a Chad thing though
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:45 PM
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if this were the case, there wouldn't be so many men in terrible shape. if anything, people are taught that "everyone will find someone who likes them for who they are"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:40 PM
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nah they were still being treated like shit. it's just that their life was so miserable that they desperately tried to hold on to their gfs, who unsurprisingly left them eventually...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 11:56 AM
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yeah that looks fishy af. im pretty sure men are far more tolerant of having a psychologically troubled SO than women. the only cases i've seen about guys reporting "my gf has healed me" were beta supplicants.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 12:50 AM
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Lol the "society" is nothing like that where i live.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 12:04 PM
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day game is definitely real, it's just way harder if you compare it to approaching chicks in bars/clubs because when girls go to these places they're usually horny as fuck still, as an introvert, i find day game actually way more fun than shitty, loud, expensive, overly crowded environments the main issue with day game though is that it's extremely awkward in the first approaches, especially if you get rejected by some girl you see every day. even then, you'll stop giving a fuck after a little p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 08:58 PM
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how about C in an open marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 01:19 PM
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from my experience, red pill women irl are mostly just religious, conservative girls who actually want a traditional marriage/family/etc edit: yeah actually they don't even know what red pill is, they just behave like red pill women would (are very respectful of the patriarchy, despise feminism, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 01:08 PM
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nothing will change. the top 80% of women and top 20% of men (arbitrary numbers, but something around that) are the only sexual selectors, regardless of people's feelings. incels may or may not whine, society may or may not start to care about them, but in the end the top 20% men will still bang 80% of the women. it's brutal and seems unfair, but it would be absurd to force 60% of the women to have sex with someone they're not attracted to. which is why trp doesn't give a fuck about the SMP's fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 10:20 PM
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by being a genetically lucky INTP who lifts and takes good care of his health in general
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:48 PM
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oh, guess i stand corrected. hadn't realized that, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:44 PM
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i probably overstated it a bit, but there's still an impact. and even if the competition also decreases, it's definitely in a slower pace. for example, in couple A, the husband is more educated than the wife. in couple B, the wife is more educated than the husband. between A and B, which is the most common?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:31 PM
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no? i have poor and rich friends, they tell stories about their friends, i look up some of them in facebook, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:24 PM
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it's still far easier to find high-status men married to SAHMs than high-status women married to SAHDs. and in the latter case, i've only seen it happen when the man is far more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:21 PM
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it was mostly a hyperbole yes, but that graphic only supports my argument. women will generally date men with similar education levels -> there are fewer men the higher you go up on the education ladder -> there are fewer men for a highly educated woman to choose from
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:19 PM
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they're dating my friends, or friends of friends, etc. i know a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:08 PM
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only a minority of women are open to date less educated men, though. even if there are exceptions. and even then, i've only seen it happen when the man is significantly more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:59 PM
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currently in college, hopefully will achieve my degree next year
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:52 PM
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have you ever seen hot women with prestigious degrees in areas like medicine/law? they're rare, but from my experience they're either single, or date/marry the top 0.001% of men (handsome, intelligent, rich guys)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:50 PM
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well how do you define being 'in love'? if you mean one-itis, then yes i've had it once with a BPD chick and it nearly ruined my life. nowadays i bang a few girls but am not really interested in an LTR. and to be fair, most girls my age (22) that i know aren't exactly planning to marry soon either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 12:28 AM
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