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Field ReportVanillaCider2021/r/seduction25/07/22 01:24 AM
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Inner Game VanillaCider2021/r/seduction04/08/21 02:42 PM
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Field ReportVanillaCider2021/r/seduction25/06/22 09:04 PM
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Fundamentals VanillaCider2021/r/seduction12/07/22 03:02 PM
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Inner Game VanillaCider2021/r/seduction30/07/21 02:51 PM
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Fundamentals VanillaCider2021/r/seduction03/07/22 09:13 PM
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ConversationVanillaCider2021/r/seduction06/08/21 07:22 PM
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ConversationVanillaCider2021/r/seduction19/06/22 11:32 PM
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Fundamentals VanillaCider2021/r/seduction13/08/22 05:21 PM
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LogisticsVanillaCider2021/r/seduction06/08/21 08:00 PM
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ConversationVanillaCider2021/r/seduction13/07/22 06:27 PM
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Outer Game VanillaCider2021/r/seduction16/07/22 08:20 PM
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FundamentalsVanillaCider2021/r/seduction21/06/22 07:39 PM
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ConversationVanillaCider2021/r/seduction09/07/22 05:28 PM
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I recommend you focus on yourself and make decisions that will improve your life. Something like starting a business or chasing a dream. Find a challenging goal for yourself. These things are not easy and if you keep working hard then you will naturally build a strong frame. I started a business and I really struggled for a few years. When I finally made it I was the most confident guy in the world. Everyone could see it and I suddenly felt like a high value man. -Focus on yourself -Work hard at…
/r/seduction21/09/22 08:50 PM
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Let's put it this way - Looks get you in the door A good looking guy gets more room for error vs average guys. My friend probably has better game than me, but I am much better looking. I can mess up and the girls will think I am "funny, cute, etc". If he messes up they think he's "weird, creepy, etc". Being good looking makes you "Visually trustworthy", so initially it gives you a chance with most girls. That being said looks matter way more for guys! How often do you see beautiful women with ug…
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:46 PM
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You need to date a lot of girls and "brush off" the ones that don't work out. All women are wired different and they will all react differently to you. A guy can be a 10 and have good personality, but his personality might not work for some girls and they will lose interest in him. This is the same for everyone. I generally do well with women, but every once in a while a girl will act differently, go slow, lose interest ... a few days go by and you focus on a new girl. As long as you aren't gett…
/r/seduction16/08/22 08:23 PM
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It's interesting how everyone is different. I have heard others say the same
/r/seduction14/08/22 11:46 PM
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I think it is all relative. If a girl likes you the it doesn't matter what you do. This pertains more for women who may be on the fence at the beginning. Then yes, you can come on too strong.
/r/seduction14/08/22 10:14 PM
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A girl with a lot of followers is meaningless. Believe it or not many times these girls are the most insecure, lonely girls and you can even call them out on it Many of the followers are fake, the photos are edited, and behind all that is an average girl most of time. I do not like when a girl is obsessed with IG. This usually tells me they have low self esteem and usually they are "dumb" or uneducated in some regard. Most of the time these girls are very insecure. I just had a date with a girl …
/r/seduction13/08/22 06:47 PM
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In regards to seduction? Confidence is what attracts women. I was not confident until my mid-30's. My entire life I was handsome, smart, successful, etc - but I did not feel confident and this reflected in my approach with women. How did I become confident? I started a business from nothing, failed over and over, almost went bankrupt, suffered from anxiety due to my business not making money. For two years I was a complete mess. I was pushed to the brink and I almost gave up. But I didn't ... Ev…
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:30 PM
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I agree with this. mostly, but this is not always the case However ALL girls are wired diffrently. Sometimes a girl will reciprocate equally or more and you know it's in the bag. Another girl might show you reciprocation sometimes but not seem to be as equal. Maybe she is a bad texter, maybe she is shy, maybe she wants you to lead, maybe she is being cautious - That doesn't mean she doesn't like you. Maybe it means you need to be more patient. If a girl has no interest in you then she will eithe…
/r/seduction13/08/22 05:04 PM
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In my experience space is ALWAYS good. It can make her miss you It can give her time to get over an ex It can soften her if you came on too strong or she wasn't ready at the time It can make her think you have other options In general giving space is a key factor in both dating and relationships
/r/seduction01/08/22 01:18 AM
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You know I'm not against dating that young. I simply don't go out of my way to I guess
/r/seduction25/07/22 04:04 PM
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Latinas seem to use tinder here. When they come to USA then they will switch to bumble or hinge after seeing what tinder has to offer
/r/seduction25/07/22 03:42 PM
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I agree with this. I don't think dating apps are good for LTR. However, tinder is the worst. The others are better and have better quality people
/r/seduction25/07/22 03:41 PM
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Depends on the app. In general I have more success with women now vs when I was in my 20's. Basically just more confident. I personally try to avoid girls under 21 as there is no need to go that young and I have no desire to. I target 25 plus but will date 21-24 on occasion. Majority of my matches are 25+ Tinder I seem to get mostly 25+ Bumble all ages Hinge 25+ (older group)
/r/seduction25/07/22 03:39 PM
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I wanna say bumble is more popular in USA than other countries. I know when I travel I only use tinder as its superior overseas
/r/seduction25/07/22 02:46 PM
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Over tinder yes. I found more success on Hinge, but Bumble isn'r far behind. The free version of Bumble works better than the free version of Hinge. Paid version of Hinge is better
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:37 PM
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Same. I never tried premium but I did try free version and I don't think I gave it much of a chance
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:16 PM
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Yes, I really think tinder is just too large. Really hard to stand out
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:09 PM
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I get it, but Miami gets all ethnicities. Being an American in an international city is a plus but I was just writing feedback from using the apps since Miami has so many transient ppl
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:08 PM
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Basically saying that I have my stuff together. I did not say rich. I think it is important to imply if you work, etc. Show what you do but don't show off
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:06 PM
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Only tried POF and did not like the interface. Can't comment on the others
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:05 PM
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I think most girls are looking for a guy that "has his stuff together". I did not say rich, but just showing that you have a job or own a business is a plus. Also having professional looking photos - maybe a couple in suits/tux, or when traveling etc. I do no think it's good to show off. Many guys takes pics of expensive cars and watches and I think this has the opposite effect.
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:04 PM
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Interesting, never tried!
/r/seduction25/07/22 01:01 PM
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A lot of people say tinder. I found it really just depends. I have had ONS from all 3 but I do not really have one that stands out
/r/seduction25/07/22 12:51 PM
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I agree about the waves part. I will have a few matches all the sudden then dead for a week. A lot of it for me is tourists coming in and out but I def feel like bumble has the most waves of the 3
/r/seduction25/07/22 02:27 AM
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The problem with tinder is just sifting through the garbage
/r/seduction25/07/22 02:18 AM
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I have this problem. I am better looking and have more game than all my friends. I just lost a girl because she wanted a group date and I invited a guy with no game because I needed a wing. All he did was talk with his elbows on the table. I feel like he ruined it for me and I would have been better off with just the two girls. Anyway, I agree about the groups but sometimes solo really is best.
/r/seduction14/07/22 09:24 PM
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THIS. Exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you
/r/seduction14/07/22 09:07 PM
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You know I recently got really good at avoiding small talk on dating apps. What is the object? Get a date. ALWAYS BE DIRECT. Hello, nice to meet you :) What are your plans later? Want to go here? I swear by this approach. I live in a city with tons of tourists and this works really well for me, especially with the hotter girls that hate small talk. Try it. Come off as confident and cool. If you do want to start a short conversation then talk about something related to her looks, where she went t…
/r/seduction13/07/22 10:57 PM
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Yes and after she told me I said text me if you want to hang out and I left it at that. I will just let it go. She is on vacation in my city and that is my only reason for trying to press a little
/r/seduction13/07/22 07:01 PM
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I agree with what you are saying, however looks can give you more room for error. Being too needy but handsome? - aw he just really likes me and is putting in effort Being too needy and ugly? - He's creepy Ironically in my 20's I don't think I was attractive, at least I did not have the confidence I do now. In my 30's I made some positive changes and now I am an attractive guy, and I feel like it. I realize I can make mistakes and women will give me more of a chance. Women also give me a lot of …
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:47 PM
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Ego is a big deal. It is because you are not used to rejection. You should be thankful that you are a good looking guy because most men aren't. You are lucky and you should remind yourself this every day you wake it.
/r/seduction12/07/22 10:19 PM
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Yes, it gets you in the door but if you are too kind you can enter the friend zone. You need to be direct. tell her she is beautiful, hold her hand a little, look her in the eyes, etc. Small physical touches etc. Make sure she knows you want her in your bed. Being kind will help with attracting a relationship type but it won't help with being a player
/r/seduction12/07/22 10:15 PM
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It really depends. I just had this happen with a girl after two good dates but the dates were with friends. She gave me a good level of interest and a kiss so obviously next step is to ask for a solo date. Next day I say "hey wanna go for a walk?", she said "we'll see :)" I follow up a few hours later "Still not home", forget it ... next day I try again "maybe" .... I finally said listen text me if you want to hang out. Eventually you have to put the ball in their court
/r/seduction12/07/22 09:12 PM
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She was on bumble. How was I supposed to know? She was the one that kissed me. I literally thought she was single until I asked her out for a third date. That is when she told me she has feelings for a guy but she did not say it if they were actually together. I don't really see how I am in the wrong here. You don't go on bumble unless yo want to date
/r/seduction12/07/22 05:33 PM
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Good advice, and that's where my head was.
/r/seduction12/07/22 04:32 PM
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They are on the rocks, and he's halfway across the world. I didn't even know she had BF until after I pressed for the solo date. I initially wasn't purposely pursing a girl with a BF. I am getting downvoted but she was on Bumble (obviously just wanting attention) so I assumed she was single. I did not know she even had a man in her life until AFTER I kissed her (actually she kissed me). I also could not get a direct answer as if they are together or not, but she did tell me she has feelings for …
/r/seduction12/07/22 04:27 PM
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I can't comment on quality as I live in Miami and it's mostly foreigners and tourists but it works well with hot girls in my city. I agree that a girl looking for a serious boyfriend might be more cautious but I have had a lot of success with with less mall talk, especially with the hotter girls and tourists.
/r/seduction12/07/22 04:23 PM
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Be direct. Tell someone exactly how you feel. This will save you time and avoid you falling into the friend-zone
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:11 PM
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I agree that you are thinking like a guy. If anything we are the ones that treat dating apps like a game. Most women actually take their time when they swipe. Yes, their apps are blown up with thousands of likes but most of the women are not dating different guys all the time. Not like me with women hehe
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:08 PM
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Actually I asked this. I said next time let's go for a walk, just us.
/r/seduction10/07/22 12:16 PM
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Yes, it was a first time for me. I have heard stories and warning about this and I totally see why it's bad.
/r/seduction10/07/22 12:14 PM
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Don't double text. One text and that's it. You can try one more a few days later but after that nothing
/r/seduction03/07/22 06:00 PM
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I do my peacocking with nicely tailored suits and sport jackets. Once you see the attention you get from dressing well it's hard to be casual again
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:14 AM
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I would say it is more being a product of my environment. I live in the heart of Miami and I am surrounded by many different women on any given night- foreigners, tourists, locals. There are constant bachelorette parties, events, etc. I know where to go on a given night. If my mood is higher end I will dress up very well and hit 4-5 places I know that are good. If I want a more local scene I will dress down and do the same. Sometimes women will approach here, especially at the higher end places …
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:06 AM
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I don't know my overall number. I struggled in my 20's and I had GF's. I think my number was 4 until I hit 30. Now at 38 I sleep with 2-4 each month if I put the effort in. I only go out on weekends and this includes OLD plus ONS from bars
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:08 AM
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I was told I was handsome my entire life but I never realized it until I hit maybe 33. I struggled with women in my 20's. Late 20's I started a business and it tested me to the brink. I stuck with it and succeeded and suddenly I was confident AF. Basically I felt content and confident in general and this bled over into my approach with women. Strange how that works. Women can sense when you are cool and confident vs insecure and needy. Now at 38 I'd say I have 50/50 shot at bringing a girl home …
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:05 AM
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That isn't bad at all. I am 38 and date 21-23 year olds all the time. I feel no shame whatsoever. Age really is just a number.
/r/seduction28/06/22 12:24 AM
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I think most women that are "hot" generally aren't as educated as an average looking woman. They might grow up with less opportunity and might be more inclined to focus on looks and beauty. They don't know what good educated men look like because they did not grow up in that environment. I live in Miami and honestly I see this so much. Women with guys that are broke and ugly but show off like they are rich. I always think to myself "how sad" *Educated women can obviously be hot but I am just gen…
/r/seduction28/06/22 12:21 AM
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I do not put a number on it. Sometimes it is 1 date, sometimes it is 3. Rarely past 3. I have friends like you that only want sex from first dates. However, they usually are not as picky as I am. I feel like if you want to date in the 8+ range only then it would be difficult to expect sex from them consistently on the first date. I can say for certain that in my city, Miami, the really hot 8+ will rarely sleep with you on the first date. Especially more upscale women, and there are a lot of them…
/r/seduction28/06/22 12:15 AM
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Yes, but I try to be a complete gentleman the first time a girl comes over. Don't be too aggressive and read her body language before escalating. The key is to MAKE HER FEEL COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOME.
/r/seduction27/06/22 01:41 AM
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Yes, keep trying. If you are getting ghosted often it is probably because you are coming off as too needy to too excited. Try to be calm. Don't text or message too much. Slow things down and be direct when speaking. Small talk will get you ghosted
/r/seduction27/06/22 01:39 AM
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Well, in reality it is not good to date people you work with but it happens. Doesn't sound like a permanent setting so I think it's cool You don't need permission from the director but it wouldn't hurt to ask him just for peace of mind. Go for it if you want. I wouldn't read into the instagram message too much. Those things aren't a big deal as people get busy or just don't come off the way you want sometimes. When it's time just ask her out to dinner or something along those lines. Keep it ligh…
/r/seduction27/06/22 01:36 AM
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I pay for tinder platinum 6 month package. I don't think it is worth it but I travel often and it works great in Eastern Europe/ Russia. Also in Miami the foreign girls use it still. The American women are def lower quality. I have way better luck on bumble and hinge. I'd say Hinge is worth the premium because you don't have to swipe and women seem to be more active on it. I seem to get tons of hot girls on Hinge liking and commenting first. Could just be the way my profile lines up. It is more …
/r/seduction26/06/22 08:49 PM
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It is also a rating game which causes you to make your decisions based on hottness. Girl A is a 9 Girl B is a 7 When Girl A goes cold, then suddenly responds after you planned a date with Girl B. Now you cancel on Girl B because she's lower on the list. Seems wrong doesn't it? Go out with Girl A and she ends up looking like a 7 anyway haha
/r/seduction26/06/22 01:32 AM
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Whatsapp AKA "The Player's App" I have my WhatsApp catered to only women
/r/seduction26/06/22 01:11 AM
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I do it and I love it. Sometimes you can feel like a loner or "regular" but there are ways around this. Dress well. Wear a blazer or jacket and tell people you are coming from work or an event in the area. Going out alone forces you to talk to people. I think it's very healthy. I also think you are less of a threat to women vs a larger group of guys. I'd say the majority of player type guys love and prefer going out alone.
/r/seduction25/06/22 09:13 PM
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It usually makes me feel terrible the next day and here is why: I lower my standards. I am good looking guy with a lot to offer but I am having sex with women I would never date. It makes me question myself. The sex is rarely good. Usually involves alcohol. The women don't look as good the next day if alcohol is involved. It is more risky. Sometimes I make bad choices with using protection. I think I am attracted to the hunt. Once I get the sex the fun stops for me.
/r/seduction25/06/22 08:47 PM
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I don't have a personal instagram so I keep my posts very tame. However, I own a business and I have a ton of women follow my business, but I also keep some personal shots of me so people know who I am. Like 90/10 split. When women ask my instagram I give them my business (works amazing because they can see I am legit) I never post stories of clubs or drinking etc. I am very careful. However, I post stories at nice restaurants with beautiful girls and I will tag the girl. Only if they are young …
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:45 PM
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I am with you. Also on the apps you naturally have intense competition from other high value men when a girl is really beautiful. That makes very little room for error. In person, you have very little competition, if any and you can also charm them with your personality.
/r/seduction22/06/22 11:48 AM
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I don't even think about sex. If it happens great, if not great. I see so many women that I don't care because I will get sex from someone eventually. I am in it for the thrill of the chase, not just sex.
/r/seduction22/06/22 02:21 AM
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For me it is the woman. Some girls I feel very comfortable being more touchy, kissy with, and other I will take it slower. I will read the girls body language. Sometimes girls will be the aggressor and that makes it easier. I do find gentle touch like holding hands or sitting closer to her are harmless ways of showing interest. Do not try and shove your tongue down her throat if it's the first proper date and she is classy. Save that for a ONS
/r/seduction21/06/22 07:12 PM
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I just had this happened to me for the first time in a while. I almost forget how butt hurt I get when this happens Basically I set up date #3 mid-week. Told her to pick the night and she said Friday was best. She ends up working late on Friday but still wanted to meet for a couple drinks but asked if her friends could join. I said "sorry I only want a one on one date with you, but I will let you know" I let it go and went out solo and had a blast. Mistake I made was texting her a little when I …
/r/seduction21/06/22 07:08 PM
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It could also just be the women. Could also be other men involved. Maybe she is further a long with someone else, etc. You never really no. Better to let it go and don't ask. I was on a really good run and it seemed like I couldn't lose. Last girl I lost after 2 dates. Looking back I did not put a ton of effort texting her etc. When you are with them it depends on the type of girl that should dictate you aggression. If I read a girl is flirty then I will escalate. If she seems uncomfortable I wi…
/r/seduction21/06/22 07:00 PM
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This %100. I find overconfidence pushes girls away. I am very open and I sometimes say too much about other women that I've been with. This makes you look like a player no matter how good looking or successful you are
/r/seduction19/06/22 10:19 PM
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-Never lose focus on yourself, your business, your work, this is always the most important factor. Take risks and learn from mistakes. The confidence you gain from taking risks will impact your confidence with women. The number one thing I can say that has made me more confident is starting a business, almost losing everything, and then succeeding. When my business made it my confidence shot up in all areas of my life. I was no longer scared of failing or rejection because I flirted with bankrup…
/r/seduction19/06/22 10:15 PM
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Back off. Don't contact her. She will come to you if she wants. Probably another guy in the picture. Don't beat yourself up as this is so common today. Whenever a girl goes cold I assume another guy, an ex, sometimes she's testing you. The power move is to play it cool and remember odds are you did nothing.
/r/seduction06/08/21 07:55 PM
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Honestly I can only speak for myself - In my 20's I had zero game and zero confidence. I am a good looking guy with a good personality but I lacked confidence. Around 30 I started a business that tested me to the point I almost lost everything. It costed me my marriage, I developed severe anxiety, and I was on the verge of bankruptcy. Around the 2 year mark it started to come together and my confidence grew as my business grew. I realized that if I survived all of that then anything else is easy…
/r/seduction06/08/21 07:50 PM
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It's a fine line. Parts of my personality are very alpha, but I also have a nice guy persona that I use to reel them in and gain trust. The problem is if you are being nice vs being needy.
/r/seduction06/08/21 07:42 PM
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Honestly, as long as she replies. When they have zero interest they usually won't reply at all. Stay persistent but match her pace
/r/seduction06/08/21 06:54 PM
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I slip sometimes when I get drunk. My drunk texts can be a bit mean in tone and then the next day I have anxiety (overthinking and hungover) about what I said and come off as needy. I remind myself to back off, and let them come to me. It's hard to always hold to the frame perfect. But step one is being aware when you slip. Most guys keep going.
/r/seduction04/08/21 03:30 PM
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Don't worry I'm done texting. My last text was very direct to ask if all is good. My previous texts were normal because I didn't realize she was ghosting until today. I am generally pretty good with texting overall
/r/seduction28/06/21 12:43 AM
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I honestly think it's the age and level of difficulty. First girl that hooked me in 2 years. I'll probably take a trip to Moscow to get my head back on straight
/r/seduction28/06/21 12:39 AM
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Traditional upbringing. Foreign girl. Has to be very serious or married. Nothing casual
/r/seduction27/06/21 11:57 PM
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I am right now but I wasn't until this happened. She was doing all the contact and calling the last couple weeks.
/r/seduction27/06/21 11:55 PM
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You are right and this is everything I read. I would never chase and I certainly won't send a bunch of texts if she isn't answering. I sent about 4 texts in 3 days and one final text today with a direct question. Now I will sit back and do me
/r/seduction27/06/21 11:48 PM
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She's about a 9+. I also like what I can't have so I don't want to give it up. Before her I was cruising and sleeping with so many girls. She got me. I think it's the youth and the challenge combined. I also made a ton of progress from basically not being on her radar at all to her saying I miss you. That gave me a lot of confidence see that I could do that.
/r/seduction27/06/21 11:46 PM
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No we hooked up and slept together. She made it clear she wanted more than friendship and so did I.
/r/seduction27/06/21 11:38 PM
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That's my gut instinct too.
/r/seduction27/06/21 10:55 PM
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