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allex8800/r/seduction26/09/13 08:10 PM
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Are women annoying? Sure, but generally everyone is annoying if you let it get to you. If by dealing with it your reaction is to whine (which you're doing) and run away, then that is a very reactive behavior, hence validation seeking. The best way to deal with it is realize you're above the lunacy, and find it both entertaining and react with compassion. In other words, you're above that nonsense, but you're an awesome enough human being to feel sympathy for people that struggle with their every…
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 04:48 PM
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You'd probably do yourself a favor by learning how to just comfortably talk with people. Roosh calls it "old people game" which is nonchalantly asking basic questions, or random observations to start a conversation. Stop having an agenda (at least in "daytime" scenarios). Do it with people in line, a cashier, the person waiting for the plane. Ask questions you already know the answer to, just to get the skill of learning how to build a conversation from nothing. It's less hard than you'd think. …
/r/seduction22/03/14 05:03 PM
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Women are absolutely not used to being negged. The amount of guys that even know what it is and how to apply it is probably less than 1% of the population. Hot girls get bought drinks and are given compliments ALL THE TIME. You obviously have an issue dealing with beautiful women, and have a limited mindset about it and rationalize why you should settle for less.
/r/seduction05/03/14 01:29 PM
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Run some negs on her. Treat her like you're unimpressed. It'll be a little tenuous, like she wants to start a fight but stick with it. Especially if she's trying to play the same game.
/r/seduction05/03/14 01:33 AM
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A lot of guys would probably tell you that she's just shit testing you, but she's probably not into you and you would do best by just moving on. Why try to fight so much uphill?
/r/seduction25/02/14 02:41 AM
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Don’t make sexual comments, don’t say anything sexual, and definitely don’t touch her upon first meeting her. Reality is so far from these broads delusions.
/r/seduction24/02/14 06:45 PM
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Read mystery method.
/r/seduction22/02/14 12:16 AM
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Approach it as social game, rather than trying to get laid. Which means very light on attraction, heavier on comfort, and seduction only if you get the girl in isolation.
/r/seduction21/02/14 10:54 PM
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Truthfully, the most memorable ones aren't the ones that were "the hardest set" or whatever, but just where everything felt right. Sure, game was involved, but not really. Sweet, kind, nice, FUN and FUNNY (can't stress how many women lack this trait), smart but not a snob, and positive (another underappreciated trait), similar values, open mindedness, etc. Truthfully, I don't think these traits are that mysterious, but just like a guy learns after studying game, the things that make you better a…
/r/seduction20/02/14 02:57 PM
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When you do that try to keep a finger on or in her pussy. It may be abrupt but she'll be too focused on being played with.
/r/seduction19/02/14 03:34 AM
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You should always be trying to turn her on. But yes, if you feel resistance then freeze her out and then reinitiate by turning her on.
/r/seduction18/02/14 11:46 PM
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You just gotta find the path of least resistance. Most of the time I never even take a girl's bra off because it sets off too many slut alarms. You may just have to pull the panties to the side. Also, remember to have her grab your dick. That will get her so turned on she'll be pulling her panties off herself. I think what Curveball said holds a lot of value. Focus on getting her turned on more, then everything will flow much easier.
/r/seduction18/02/14 11:40 PM
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It's more like fractionilization. You hit a wall of resistance, then you back off, and when you go back in that previous wall has come down.
/r/seduction18/02/14 11:31 PM
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Not true. Usually a girl gives you one opportunity then you're blown out. I wouldn't be surprised if the follow up to this post is: she answers my texts but won't hangout again.
/r/seduction18/02/14 07:55 PM
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Google it, there's probably a better explanation. Basically, just stop everything. If you were watching a movie go back to watching it. If you were watching tv go back to that. If you were just in bed just act like you're sitting back relaxing. Don't be mad, or pissed, or anything. Also, don't try to reintitiate unless she starts. Don't live by that, but basically don't jump back in. After a bit of time, usually just a couple of minutes she'll start kissing you or whatever, then go back in. That…
/r/seduction18/02/14 07:35 PM
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Truthfully I never know the right answer for this myself. Sometimes radio silence works, sometimes having a lot of convo works. But more than anything, always make sure you're leading up to a hangout. If a girl wants to talk but doesn't want to hang then she's absolutely just using you for validation.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/14 07:00 PM
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This is the final big test. You gotta give a really really hard freeze out here. Shut everything down and let her start to squirm. One time I had to do a 20 minute freeze out before I could break her LMR here.
/r/seduction18/02/14 06:56 PM
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50%!! Good for you. If it worked for me 15% of the time I'd consider myself as having a great night. The problem is what do you do after? Numbers don't mean shit, you're trying to get laid.
/r/seduction31/01/14 12:49 PM
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Just to keep things simple, it's a matter of just "hanging out." So that means going for a walk, a last minute drink, or a simple invitation to hang out. And the key is that you're putting her in the friendzone while then trying to seduce her. Pretty simple push-pull behavior. Always involve alcohol, and always make it fun and easy.
/r/seduction31/01/14 04:16 AM
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An effective seducer speaks to a woman's emotional being, not her rational being. So a lot of your decisions are based on how it makes her feel, not what it makes her think. In other words you want to take advantage of her need to have things romanticized. For example, when you're making plans you don't ask her "what would you like to do?" You tell her, "I'm going to take you somewhere special, but I'm not telling you. Just wear something nice, and one piece of clothing that's red." Super classi…
/r/seduction31/01/14 12:23 AM
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Yeah, you need to read up on closing tactics. Get out of linear thinking, I.e. kiss, then tit, then pussy, then blowjob, etc. I never grab a girl's tits unless we're already fucking. Even if I'm stripping her down I'll leave the bra on. Also, don't paw after her. Instead just take her hand and have her grab your hard dick. Women love the feel of an erection, it's like touching a wet pussy for us. Also, don't ever reach for her pussy from the front. Reach around the back, grabbing her ass first a…
/r/seduction31/01/14 12:13 AM
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I guess. I'm all for abundance mentality and not giving a shit, but I also think you gotta game to be successful.
/r/seduction30/01/14 10:35 PM
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Spin to be positive. "Ok, great, I actually have some work I need to finish up." Then don't respond. If she flakes then you can text her the next day and make it sound like you forgot. "Oh shit! Sorry, I just realized we were supposed to hang out. I got so involved in this project. I hope you weren't waiting up for me."
/r/seduction30/01/14 10:27 PM
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Dude, I'm borderline ugly and I used to be fat and I still got laid. It's all in your head, women are attracted to confidence. It's cliche but true.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/14 08:38 PM
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Hey man, don't believe their bullshit. If anything you didn't come on strong enough. I'll try to break down each interaction: First girl - you definitely had a good start, including good kino. You were being strong and forward and she was probably attracted to it. I'm willing to guess you didn't ask her permission to sit next to her, you just did it. Where you went wrong was by waiting until the end of the date to kiss her. Even worse you asked her for more. 1. Totally ruins the "swept away" mom…
/r/seduction30/01/14 08:36 PM
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I'd stop texting her until she initiates.
/r/seduction30/01/14 04:25 PM
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If you met on tinder have you actually heard her voice or seen her in person? Might be some catfishing going on.
/r/seduction30/01/14 02:37 PM
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Only when some liberal female with clout starts to repeat it. Or the time that a Victoria Secrets model gives me a rim job. Whichever comes first.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/14 02:35 PM
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" But, there's no such thing as a "wrong" feeling..." Oh sweetie, that's just silly.
/r/TheRedPill19/01/14 02:46 AM
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Honestly, it's normal to feel that way, and anyone who would say differently is just in denial. The best way to approach it is acknowledge it bums you out, and when you start feeling yourself lose your happiness momentum, just step away and find your center again. You don't have to keep pushing your way through it.
/r/seduction18/01/14 01:10 AM
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I think your looking into it too much. I bet that guy uses that line on any couple that its obvious they aren't together.
/r/seduction17/01/14 08:34 PM
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This is a tough situation, and before anyone else gets on you for "excuses" I fully acknowledge that you are at a natural disadvantage being Indian when it comes to white women. I'll tell you the simple, hard to understand answer first: you just have to stop giving a shit. It's so easy once you get it, the question is how do you get there? Do a Google search for a website called Demonic Confidence. I've had friends do it and when they're finished its like a total transformation. The other thing …
/r/seduction17/01/14 12:34 PM
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If she really was a 9 then guys are going to constantly be hitting on her and saying all sorts of shit to AMOG. Get used to it, and especially learn how to spin it into something positive that in no way bothers you. Unless you're extraordinarily handsome, I think she's probably going to flake on you. It just sounds like you had a fairly boring date and you have kinda weak game. Definitely still try and contact her, but just don't react when she has other plans or doesn't respond. Or she just may…
/r/seduction17/01/14 12:22 PM
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Agreed.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/14 02:24 AM
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"Be a 10 to get a 10."
/r/TheRedPill15/01/14 02:01 AM
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When you set up a situation built on years and years of tolerating her shit, then yes, it sounds very hard. But if you've made sure the girl had the right understanding of her role in your relationship from the beginning then this particular situation would never come up in the first place.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/14 01:59 AM
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Of course not! She sits home watching Soap Operas all day painting her nails. Where does her money come from?? She won the figurative lottery.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/14 12:12 AM
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The secret is living way below your means. Plus I'm smart enough to have a decent job, so the distance between my expenses and income is pretty big, even though I don't make a ton of money. Otherwise I just sub-lease bedrooms, and live out of a suitcase.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 09:11 PM
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It's always good to come to an agreement through Star Trek analogies. Haha.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 09:09 PM
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Yeah but then you have the upgraded super awesome android in the wings that's literally programmed to be the perfect second in command!
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 07:47 PM
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I think it's a David Deida-ish answer of masculine energy versus feminine energy. Doesn't necessarily mean gender, even though it usually does.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 07:10 PM
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That ain't your best friend. And you know Picard would've kicked Riker's ass straight into the brig if he would've challenged him like that, especially in front of company.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 07:07 PM
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YOUR BEST FRIEND??? do you know where you are, son?! There ain't no best friend in this equation. Ugh! You're comment it's making me nauseous.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 06:51 PM
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Thanks man. And I'm just reiterating the reason why this mindset is called Red Pill but once you break out from traditional beliefs you see that the whole world is insane. There's everyday acceptance of totally fucked up behaviors. And thank god there's a place like reddit to vent it out! I would be in a mental institute if I had to keep this to myself.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 06:34 PM
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Sounds like a great rationalization of an ungrateful woman's bad behavior.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 06:03 PM
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I do have friends that are pretty strong naturals, and it's interesting how their girls love me.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 05:48 PM
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Most married men also have their balls in a vice grip, that doesn't mean it should be accepted or tolerated behavior. And I sure as shit would not justify her complaints by saying she does less acceptable behavior (since its not her money) and making it sound equal. I can spend my money on what I want, and she should lick my shoes because she has a lifestyle where she can afford the things she wants and gets to stay home on her ass all day.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 05:39 PM
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Shit that's an awesome analogy.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 05:15 PM
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Don't know about the prenup, but she did just spit out a kid. And sorry for asking a question who's answer is easy to find, but what's FUBARed?
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 05:14 PM
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The only non-TRP couples I've seen work is when the guy refuses to move in with the girl and he won't marry her. That usually keeps her in check.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 04:20 PM
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If he started complaining to me, it'd be a different situation. Maybe it's just because we don't know each other that well anymore, and who knows over time what would happen. But in my experience it's better to just mind my own business. I'm not selling Jesus.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 04:18 PM
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Trust me, I know way better than to start trying to dole out any kind of advice. Pretty damn sad, though.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/14 02:43 PM
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Stop thinking linear. You don't have to necessarily kiss to fuck. If you're being sexual enough, isolate, and avoid sticking points. You may not be able to kiss, but then try to grab her ass. Or really put her hand on your (what should be) erect dick. Girls love a hard dick. If she offers resistance, try a different angle until you get blown out.
/r/seduction13/01/14 01:49 AM
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I'm 33 and I hook up with way more low-20s (even 18 and 19 yo) than I ever did when I was around that age myself. Maturity and age is a definite attraction switch for a lot of girls, and they make sure to let me know it whenever they can.
/r/seduction12/01/14 02:51 PM
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I keep wanting to respond but my brain keeps saying "limited belief system, limited belief system"... it'll integrate eventually.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/14 02:48 PM
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I'm all in for red pill thinking but this sounds like a really good way to get stabbed.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/14 01:45 PM
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Exactly. It's like paying music. You learned the theory, now you'll play it straight, then you'll start to improvise.
/r/seduction12/01/14 01:28 AM
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Last minute resistance.
/r/TheRedPill12/01/14 01:25 AM
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Pity fuck, then left the next day to go get AIDS.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 10:12 PM
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Begging for a girl's love and then getting all pissy about it is definitely not being alpha.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 09:38 PM
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The best part of this post: "You have to push for sex always and you have to get your LMR skills up to level." This mindset can help break through so many barriers.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 04:59 PM
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Basically you're going through analysis paralysis or micro calibrating. The first thing you need to understand is that there is no "right" answer for pickup. If anything you're learning what are the definite wrong/inefficient ways to date. A lot of things you read from different gurus are just their style. Of course they sell it as being ultimate truth but that's mainly because many think their reality is the only reality. Which is only natural because a person can only live through their own pe…
/r/seduction11/01/14 04:52 PM
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Ironically in the book he's a total bastard.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 03:11 PM
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They did have that little moment where they were fishing together and they turned their head at the same time, which I think was to portray them as being related. But that is just learned behavior, so to me it's still in doubt.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 03:06 PM
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Yeah, except that he was super capable.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 03:05 PM
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Even though to make it fair, Jenny would have to be hot and super capable and Forrest would be white trash.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 01:54 PM
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Exactly what I was thinking.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/14 01:51 PM
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Offering to teach how to play a guitar is a super effective way to get a chick to your place.
/r/seduction04/10/13 12:09 PM
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This is not the best advice for meeting women in my opinion. They're working. There are better ways than to pester people who "have no choice but to talk to you"! Totally disagree. It's not pestering, you're just being super fun and running good game. Cashiers, waitresses, hostesses, whatever, mainly hate their jobs and would love an amazing guy distracting then from their shitty days. In the last couple of months I've hooked up with two bartenders and a waitress because I go in and am an amazin…
/r/seduction02/10/13 03:12 PM
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Looks like the site was taken down.
/r/seduction30/09/13 01:26 AM
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What kind of job?
/r/seduction29/09/13 07:53 AM
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Understandable. At the end of the day you just wanna meet women and get regular sex or a girlfriend.
/r/seduction29/09/13 07:52 AM
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In Miami, where I live, bars and clubs don't start getting filled up until after 11 pm even on weekdays. Making it impossible to go to them consistently if you have a day job. On the other hand, I can easily get a second job on weekends or evenings a couple of nights a week. Any other obnoxious things to nitpick?
/r/seduction28/09/13 10:15 PM
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There's a guy on sedfast named Black Dragon, he has some really good techniques.
/r/seduction28/09/13 08:29 PM
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So you're saying that you know how I think about something more than I know how I think about them? Uh. Ok. Kool-aid sure tastes good, I'm sure.
/r/seduction28/09/13 08:05 PM
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Approach anxiety.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:54 PM
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Insulting? You're misreading, I'm just making the point that often times guys make out pickup to be the "only way to meet women," which is not true. By approach, I don't mean cold approach, I just mean talking to people, talking to women without being consumed by "AA". Yes, hence the point of what I wrote. I don't understand your previous diatribe then?
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:52 PM
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I get where you're coming from but that's not what I'm talking about. For me, randomly approaching a girl no matter how you do it (canned vs natural) just blows. I'm not good at it, I don't like how it feels, I don't like the couple of minutes it takes for some girls to get the dirty looks off their faces, whatever. I prefer to do things where they won't be resistant.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:37 PM
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Dude, you're drinking the kool-aid. By your reasoning every attractive woman is only attracted by guys that can do cold approach. If you believe that's true then you're totally delusional. Cold approach is a good skill to have, but it's not a requirement to meet and seduce attractive women. It doesn't make you a "coward" if you don't like doing it, it just makes you a person that doesn't like to cold approach.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:32 PM
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Absolutely. And also willing to do something alone as well. Then, when you get there, chat up and make relationships with people "working" the event.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:23 PM
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Just make it personal. It seems like you have a limiting belief about doing it. I never had a problem.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:21 PM
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100% agree with the dancing.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:20 PM
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Doing indirect also gives a lot more benefits besides meeting women. You gain a lot more friends, are involved in interesting things, or even make more money.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:16 PM
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I am a huge fan of online dating, the problem is that like it or not you're going to be limited by how you look. I'm an ok to ugly looking guy and I could never get the really attractive women out from online game. I even had professional pictures done. Otherwise I'd pull at least three girls a week when I would get into it. I was going to include online game, but I think most guys already know about that. Wanted to offer some different ideas.
/r/seduction28/09/13 06:20 PM
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What's the end result? You can walk up to a girl and ask her what a bowling ball tastes like and it could work. Did it lead to a date? A number? A kiss? A lay? I'd venture to say probably not.
/r/seduction28/09/13 04:13 PM
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Does your guide also tell guys to remember to approach girls? What about "remember to be flirty"? No duh! That's no how in what you're saying. You're only stating the obvious.
/r/seduction28/09/13 07:52 AM
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There is not a single piece of helpful advice in this lame attempt to sell a worthless guide.
/r/seduction28/09/13 01:25 AM
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I get that and I used to advocate the same beliefs, but over time experience has taught me otherwise. No worries.
/r/seduction26/09/13 09:58 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think you're euphemizing your behaviors. At the end of the day we both in essence go about things the same way I just don't romanticize what I have to do. Also, kinda disappointed the post was taken down. Thought you'd be more open to letting discussion on this occur.
/r/seduction26/09/13 09:30 PM
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I'm thinking if you were to get a perfectly honest opinion from the women you're with they would say you keep them all at a distance, they know you aren't dependant on them, and that they generally feel like they want you more than you want them. These are all fundamental basics to being successful at game, and I'm assuming that you being a moderator of this sub means that you have a pretty decent level of success with high quality women. Plus, I'm sure they're all aware if they misbehave their …
/r/seduction26/09/13 09:05 PM
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33, but started on fastseduction at 24. Congrats for taking the dive, it'll be the best decision you've ever made.
/r/seduction25/09/13 02:37 PM
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Definitely use the opportunity to be flirtatious and fun. You can apply the skills you're learning to become socially attractive, and then you'll have to learn how to become sexually attractive later.
/r/seduction21/09/13 08:50 PM
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Some girls will put up major LMR on the bed or the couch, but if you try to close elsewhere then they just go for it. It's like how you don't go for her tits or reach for her pussy from the front.
/r/seduction20/09/13 09:15 PM
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I get a lot of down votes when I give advice along these lines, which I've learned from watching super assertive Latin men at work: Approaching doesn't mean anything, numbers don't mean anything, game doesn't mean, and neither do any of the methods you learn here if you aren't pushing to close. Close close close close close AND close! Everything else works itself out as long as you assertively close.
/r/seduction20/09/13 05:17 PM
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The modern American world has taught women and men to believe that men's desires are gross, wrong, and embarrassing. I live in Miami and Latin men do not give a shit. It's crazy to see the dichotomy.
/r/seduction20/09/13 04:08 PM
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Just make sure it's relatively clean and you have condoms hidden in the kitchen, by the couch, and next to the bed. Everything else is just window dressing.
/r/seduction20/09/13 11:21 AM
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Personally I hate going so direct, I usually find that it scares a girl off, especially without the proper groundwork. It's like going for a kiss without Kino. Not saying it won't work, but I say you back up a couple of steps and get things right before forcing things into a date.
/r/seduction19/09/13 08:21 PM
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Dude, if you're asking this question you have not done the proper groundwork. At the very least you should have some sort of a sexual tension between each other before going out with her, mainly through flirting. That would make it obvious you're interested in her sexually.
/r/seduction19/09/13 07:52 PM
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I didn't have a car for four years through my mid-20s and it totally shouldn't inhibit you. Make her pick you up. Don't even make a big deal about it. Tell her to come to your place first, and then you'll go to the bar (or whatever) together from there. When she gets to your place, walk into the parking lot, and ask "which car is yours?" When she points it out, just walk to it. She'll get the point. Interesting sidenote, when she goes to drop you off, find yourself in the middle of a sentence wh…
/r/seduction19/09/13 07:07 PM
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Chicks use crazy logic no matter what. And yes, most guys and people feel ashamed over there sexual desires, whether it's an SNL or sex after a year of dating. At least they get a dose of their own medicine. But boy do I love them for it!
/r/seduction19/09/13 06:48 PM
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Chick logic is so funny. "He wants to sleep with me because he doesn't like me, so to show him that I like him I'm not going to sleep with him." Deeerrrr.
/r/seduction19/09/13 06:29 PM
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While using unreal pictures aren't a good strategy, I've found my best rated pictures were ones that were funny and didn't show my face clearly. (Decent looking guy, but nothing that gets me any attention).
/r/seduction19/09/13 04:05 PM
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Number one thing is get better pictures. Post your choices on HotorNot.com and use the ones that get rated highest.
/r/seduction19/09/13 03:01 PM
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Yes but that "precision" doesn't matter without a will to close. Otherwise you just become a guy girls like socially but still can't get laid.
/r/seduction19/09/13 01:15 PM
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What I've taken most from "naturals" isn't any particular line or method but their total and complete unapologetic desire to fuck girls. I live in Miami so there are a lot of guys I know that have banged an unfathomable amount if women with game that is mind bogglingly bad. Why? Because they kill ants with hammers. Knowing game let's us do it in a more precise and less embarrassing manner (like the natural guy in your post) but the difference with him is that he'll pull those same shitty lines o…
/r/seduction19/09/13 12:03 PM
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Cocky & Funny. It's David De'Angelo's stuff. Like I said, just twist everything she does into her wanting to bang you and accuse her of it in a cocky and funny way. A1-A3 is the first part of Mystery Method: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction. There's really not enough space to describe it all, but basically the "flirting" part of the interaction before you try to build a connection.
/r/seduction19/09/13 02:36 AM
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The fun is never what gets them out, it's me. That should be your perspective also. Otherwise, what you're saying is that a girl will only spend time with you because of what you offer her (beta) as opposed to who you are (alpha). If she's excited to see you, then she'll be excited to see you earlier. If she's excited to spend your money (not that your D2 should ever involve spending money) then she'll be disappointed.
/r/seduction18/09/13 04:04 PM
0

Thanks man. How have you, historically, dealt with a) women who keep wanting to see you/spend time with you and Absolutely. Dealing with a situation like that right now. I'm not even really into one night stands, unless that's what she wants. b) finally letting them go, i.e. breaking up? Do you go straight up and say I want to date other people? Depends how far into the relationship we are. If she's not specifically my "girlfriend" then I just let things fade by not answering her calls or texts.…
/r/seduction18/09/13 03:58 PM
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I totally agree. But the key to what you're saying is to make OUR lives better, not hers. Her role is to provide us with sex and companionship, not us making them better.
/r/seduction18/09/13 03:54 PM
2

Looking through your profile you've never posted any FRs our anything that can give us specifics to your technique. It may seem weird but the best thing you can do is write things down, get input, and have something to reflect on.
/r/seduction18/09/13 02:36 PM
17

I've been doing this a little bit and it's been money: set a normal date later on in the week, but then under cut it a couple of days early to do a low key meet up at your place.
/r/seduction18/09/13 02:24 PM
1

Use your phone only for logistics right now. If she wants to chat then that's ok, but limit your contact and mainly just make plans.
/r/seduction17/09/13 11:48 AM
1

Contact her the same day and be forward telling her you're glad you got to meet her and that she's pretty cool. If she doesn't respond then enjoy your one night stand.
/r/seduction16/09/13 01:47 AM
1

A practical way of applying "assuming attraction" is to do C&F accusations. I.e. anything she says and does towards you is her sub-communicating that she wants to fuck you. She touches your arm - "hey lady, I know you think I'm super hot, but you gotta pay to touch the merchandise." She says it could be cool to do an activity together - "hey, don't think because we're hanging out that means you're going to immediately get in my pants. I need some romance first." Always accuse her of thinking you…
/r/seduction16/09/13 12:44 AM
3

Last night definitely looks like bad luck, even though you could've done a better job of separating her from her friend at the bar so she couldn't interrupt. As for the girl from the previous week, you've gotta be planning seeds the whole night that will get you in her place. Talk about watching a movie, looking at something she owns, showing her YouTube videos, whatever. If you're not doing that you're making it so your night ends at the door, not inside her place. If she is giving resistance f…
/r/seduction15/09/13 10:41 PM
3

Dude, you're being way too hard on yourself. Successful guys work on this shit for YEARS before they start understanding dynamics. Don't fall for the marketing and be patient with yourself. Find some wingmen and if you're going to bars solo make sure there's something you can put your attention into, like a band, burlesque show, networking party, social group meeting, whatever. But if you go there with nothing to do and don't have the skills to become the life of the party (which takes a long ti…
/r/seduction15/09/13 10:33 PM
2

Why are you even bringing attention to it? If she brings it up turn it into a joke. Otherwise, why does it matter? It should never be a big deal.
/r/seduction15/09/13 10:29 PM
1

And the same thing with the other girls? Invited inside then they walk you out?
/r/seduction15/09/13 10:25 PM
1

How are you approaching getting to the door? Are you waiting to get invited in, or do you assume that you should be let in but she just stops you?
/r/seduction15/09/13 09:51 PM
2

To dig a little deeper, even if she rejects it, then it makes her look like she's scared as opposed to having the power to reject you.
/r/seduction15/09/13 06:35 PM
5

Being honest displays a ton of confidence. If anything, as long as you said it without neediness, it helped your cause.
/r/seduction15/09/13 05:12 PM
4

Humor and banter comes from exposing two concepts, either the extremely obvious or the extremely ridiculous. For example, the "that's what she said" jokes. Someone said something so obviously dirty, but they weren't aware of it until you pointed it out. Or, on the other hand, making dirty jokes based on something she says, making it ridiculous. So, she says something like "I struggle really hard to make myself successful." You can respond with: "I struggle to take a big shit every morning." The …
/r/seduction15/09/13 05:09 PM
10

One little tweak to this is don't ask just do it. "Let's go check out that art piece of yours." "Oh man, I want to go check out that art piece, let's go." Assume she mentioned it because she wanted to show it to you. If she starts making excuses like her place is a mess or whatever, just push through it with some C&F: "it's too late to be modest after bragging so much. I get it, you want to impress me because you're trying to compete with my awesomeness. I'm sure your art will make your sloppy h…
/r/seduction15/09/13 05:02 PM
1

It's just interesting, for all the resistance it doesn't matter after the fact. It just goes to show that women want you to be able to break through their shit.
/r/seduction15/09/13 05:43 AM
1

I have a feeling I know what kind of guy you're coming off as: needy, desperate, and weird. It's alright, though, it's not the end of the world. If you're doing what I think you're doing, and if you could provide some hard examples that'll really help, then you need to totally LAY BACK. I'm sure you're all excited to do this, and you want to do it right, whatever. The key is to just enjoy it. Remember this is not a big deal, there's nothing right or wrong, you're just entertaining yourself, and …
/r/seduction14/09/13 12:06 PM
1

If you need a slump buster then call a taxi and get over there. If you have other women, then just stay home.
/r/seduction14/09/13 11:50 AM
2

This is the third time you've posted this question. Are you not getting the answer you want??
/r/seduction14/09/13 11:48 AM
2

I started having the same problem when I first started getting success. Try to move out of "attraction" into "comfort" faster. Still be playful but do normal getting to know you sort of stuff.
/r/seduction14/09/13 05:32 AM
2

Generally, good players have strong push/pull skills, which on essence is regularly doing freeze outs in interactions. Girls typically call me "asshole" or "dick" but lovingly. It's how I know I'm doing things right.
/r/seduction14/09/13 03:59 AM
2

Just curious but did she even mention it after at all? This girl didn't say one thing about it. And previous times when I've done a freeze out, same thing.
/r/seduction14/09/13 03:57 AM
1

Exactly.
/r/seduction13/09/13 10:31 PM
2

Gotta trudge through a lot of shit dude. But I think you'd be surprised how many women are into nerdy things. Do you try connecting on that level?
/r/seduction13/09/13 09:02 PM
1

Yeah, its a weird thing because women go between being validation whores and doubting their own decisions. So her agreeing to something may be sincere, then she may not have enough attraction to want to follow through. Or she never wanted to in the first place, she just liked the attention. If anything, spend more time building a connection instead of just attraction. Something that changed flaking for me was squeezing in a half an hour to an hour phone conversation before making plans.
/r/seduction12/09/13 02:43 AM
2

I'm guessing also just dealing with nerves and anxiety in general.
/r/seduction11/09/13 11:40 PM
2

I would shit myself being on stage, but then again probably makes AA seem like nothing.
/r/seduction11/09/13 11:15 PM
2

I think you're on the right track. Just keep with being fun and confident without any neediness and she'll come around. If anything just make sure you're giving her space, so you can push/pull her to get her invested, don't always feel like you have to chase her down or force things to work. Btw, acting? Genius way to meet super hot chicks! I'm going to find a local theater group when I finish this message.
/r/seduction11/09/13 11:02 PM
1

Definitely one of my faves, but I'll review it again in case there was something I missed in the moment.
/r/seduction11/09/13 07:45 PM
0

If you only post about your successes then you'll never learn from failures. And if you don't recognize the "techniques" maybe you aren't closing enough girls.
/r/seduction11/09/13 07:11 PM
-1

Do you understand what a field report is?
/r/seduction11/09/13 07:02 PM
34

Are you asking because you're in a situation where you were asked or because you're playing out scenarios in your head? Because truthfully I can't remember a girl ever asking me those questions out right. At least not if we weren't already involved beyond first hookup.
/r/seduction11/09/13 12:51 PM
2

Also, let's maintain that while this is the way that an AFC can land a hot girl that they'll eventually mess it up, the Pont is how can we recreate that dynamic while still being alpha about it. To me, I think it's maintaining a mindset that "I'm not even going to let your bad behavior keep me from what I want." Coupled with a strategy of the right timing to do behavior adjustments.
/r/seduction09/09/13 04:38 PM
2

It's especially hard because if it works how do we include it in all the other things we've learned? Also, personally, I've rarely, if ever, had a really hot girl act in a way that didn't require tolerating a bunch of her bullshit. Normal/cute girls don't pull that, so is this a requirement of dealing with extraordinarily hot women?
/r/seduction09/09/13 03:06 PM
1

Most importantly is to get her isolated and away from groups. Try to bounce her after brunch to a one on one situation. "Oh, I was going to go to the .... later, you should come with me." Personally, I try to never ask a girl to do something with me, but instead tell her casually that she should join in my fun. After that bounce to isolation get her back to your place by seeding ideas of fun things you have (even if they're not that fun) that you know she'll be interested in. Watch Netflix, play…
/r/seduction07/09/13 02:19 PM
2

You're slut alarm theory is quite interesting. You could be right. So are you saying that every time a girl invites you into her bedroom the same night you met her, even if she said before that lets hang out again, you have to do her right then and there or you're screwing yourself?? Yes, exactly. Every time, without fail, when I pull up short the interaction is totally dead the next day. But when I push to close, it works out. And you think she asked me to hang out Friday night out of pity? If …
/r/seduction01/09/13 06:08 PM
3

I've gone through the same thing so many times and messed up situations with really hot girls because I thought it was a sure thing similar shame inner issues prevented me from going for it the same night. To overcome it do exactly what that other commenter said and push until logistics stop making it possible or you f-close. Just to theorize, I think if she's wiling to bang and you don't, it completely blows up her slut alarm and we all know that means you're screwed. Btw, she sent you that las…
/r/seduction01/09/13 04:30 PM
-1

All this will do is get you a phone full of numbers from girls that will never answer your text/calls.
/r/seduction01/09/13 04:12 PM
1

Ugh sounds like torture. Feel your pain. Personally, I like to use a lot of cocky & funny accusations to start sexualizing the conversation. Stop looking at me like that, I'm not a piece of meat. I'm not gonna give it up that easy, I need to be romanced. You're such a perv, keep your hands to yourself (then do a lot of kino). This is pretty simple push-pull type stuff and really effective to create a sexy, flirtatious vibe. Basically use whatever a woman would say to you when you're getting too …
/r/seduction01/09/13 02:38 PM
1

In the old South Florida lair I belonged to it was post 3 FR a month or lose your membership. While that's impossible to track on here, maybe a rule should be no theory posting unless you've posted FRs? Then at least that theory comes from experience, not other sources.
/r/seduction31/08/13 01:16 PM
1

Great job considering it was your first time. At the very least you got some social traction, and getting her to hang out was great. Getting physical was ballsy, but just because she was not into it that doesn't mean it wasn't the right way to go. If anything don't do the "seduction" thing and force her into your frame. If she says "don't touch" then scale it back. But always work kino! Blowing her out may have been a good thing, because she may just be a cold fish. One last thing - "too much?" …
/r/seduction29/08/13 09:53 PM
1

Solid advice. So from this point should I reach back out or just move on? And if I go back, how would you recommend I reinitiate?
/r/seduction29/08/13 06:42 PM
2

Its weird how a lot of these responses are different from how the responses to other guys would be. Fundamentally, from a woman's perspective, what will attract a man the most is how you look. If you are overweight or physically unattractive, then chances are that your signals are going to be mixed because he's less likely to be overt with his intentions. On the other hand, if you were a very attractive female, the answer would be more obvious, unless the guy was a beta, and why would you want t…
/r/seduction29/08/13 04:21 PM
1

My what? Haha!
/r/seduction29/08/13 01:36 PM
1

Yeah, this is right on. Honestly my ego got in the way, and I just did something extra challenging. In the back of my head I was even like "I don't even want to keep gaming her, she's just being obnoxious." I just thought there's no way she would come over no matter what I did.
/r/seduction29/08/13 01:56 AM
3

The one thing I always wonder is if we run an extra hard line as guys who won't jump through hoops, and therefore just run off a potentially difficult/annoying situation, or is there a "strategy" that can break through a girl with that kind of bullshit?
/r/seduction28/08/13 07:50 AM
1

Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at right now. Just curious, but besides giving a but too much attention, any thoughts on where it possibly derailed?
/r/seduction27/08/13 04:20 PM
4

Helpful.
/r/seduction27/08/13 03:20 PM
0

Humblebrag.
/r/seduction26/08/13 08:40 PM
0

How do you handle a girl that gives you her number but doesn't want to hangout?
/r/seduction26/08/13 08:39 PM
2

Unfortunately while learning seduction can really help get you into these situations, it also gets you in your head a lot and doubt your actions. And probably rightly so, considering we all come from a place of needing to learn more effective techniques. But it seems like you're already mostly there. Restrain being needy and being overly chatty. Push for another hangout, even a more traditional date. And don't react if she does things like withdraw or whatever. Have faith in your game. And congr…
/r/seduction26/08/13 12:20 PM
0

Get more in the moment, and appreciate what's happening - remember there was a time when you would just be alone wishing for things to be better. It's like dancing, just because you know the steps it doesn't mean it isn't fun.
/r/seduction25/08/13 10:28 PM
1

Oh yeah, don't worry. I've been at this for ten years and this started coming together a couple of years ago. But I'd say after learning originally it took like two years to feel comfortable/natural doing this.
/r/seduction25/08/13 06:22 AM
3

Awesome FR. Kept things fun and loose. Tons of social game, etc. A lot to learn from this, besides how being a PUA in college is friggin lethal.
/r/seduction24/08/13 06:21 PM
2

There's definitely a lot of information to process, so it makes sense that you can get wrapped up in the information instead of just living in the moment. Don't worry, you'll internalize it soon. How long have you been studying?
/r/seduction23/08/13 03:22 PM
2

I had a similar experience once, and in retrospect what I realized was that I didn't push hard enough to close. In other words, the really nice first date, why didn't it end up with you having sex with her? Unfortunately, women will experience really strong buyer's remorse with a guy if you get really intimate, but don't have sex. I really don't know why, probably a more knowledgeable guy has an explanation. Basically it boils down to: Always Be Closing.
/r/seduction23/08/13 04:52 AM
1

The original author of the post, Ciaran, actually has a background in being a preacher, which explains the tone. He also was an instructor for RSD, which is where his knowledge of other guy's experiences comes from.
/r/seduction23/08/13 04:30 AM
3

Same as what everyone else says, even being willing to turn it into an inside joke between the two of you.
/r/seduction22/08/13 08:46 PM
1

DM me your number, I'm open minded.
/r/seduction22/08/13 05:46 PM
4

I would put a lot of money down that chick was mad at something else and just took it out on you. I know its hard in the moment, but my strategy when someone is going out of their way to try to fuck with me (which happens to everyone, btw) is to just agree with them. "You're a fifteen year old!" Response: "you're right, I just can't seem to grow up." Its totally antagonistic, but makes you look untouchable. Oh, btw, the girl with the phone would've totally banged you. If you wanted it.
/r/seduction22/08/13 04:28 PM
1

Get drunk together.
/r/seduction22/08/13 04:17 PM
1

I wouldn't totally give up on the first scale. A big part of male bonding is sharing dating stories, in and out if the community, and sometimes you just need to communicate how attractive you thought the girl was. It can be negative for guys who use it as a way of gaining external validation, i.e. "I only date girls that are HB 8+", but otherwise is it really such a bad thing?
/r/seduction22/08/13 12:02 PM
1

If you feel like you're really distinguishing yourself from the other chodes, then go for it. But go about it in all the ways that are written about in pickup, i.e. not being lame about it. Most importantly see if you can catch her in a moment when other people aren't around. The embarrassment alone may blow you out. Oh, but be prepared for the fun to end, because more than likely she went be into it (otherwise you wouldn't be asking here, she would've made it obvious). But, who cares, right?
/r/seduction22/08/13 03:10 AM
0

There's two issues I have with your comment: Abandon the habit of giving girls a number (HB7, HB9). It's really, really unhealthy. We love to play pop psychologist in the seduction community. Tossing around terms like "unhealthy" tend to come off like absolutist and righteous. If you don't feel the need to describe the attractiveness of a girl this way, good for you. Some of us see it differently, that doesn't make it unhealthy. If you haven't already made out with her before the first date (or …
/r/seduction22/08/13 03:05 AM
-1

There's two issues I have with your comment: Abandon the habit of giving girls a number (HB7, HB9). It's really, really unhealthy. We love to play pop psychologist in the seduction community. Tossing around terms like "unhealthy" tend to come off like absolutist and righteous. If you don't feel the need to describe the attractiveness of a girl this way, good for you. Some of us see it differently, that doesn't make it unhealthy. If you haven't already made out with her before the first date (or …
/r/seduction22/08/13 03:00 AM
2

There is a subtle difference between difficult and not interested. Honestly, I'm not strong enough in my game to know what that difference is, but at different times in my life I've encountered both, and even though they felt similar, I had different results from fairly similar behavior on my part.
/r/seduction22/08/13 02:51 AM
2

I'd love to show you just how much you'd enjoy a sexist man.
/r/seduction21/08/13 09:14 PM
2

I'd like to do another post on the other side of this issue as well: when to be persistent and how it can work (without being needy).
/r/seduction21/08/13 06:47 PM
1

Honestly, I'm kind of old school and think its my job to pay for things as much as its hers to blow me and make me dinner in nothing but an apron and high heels. Then again, I am Latin.
/r/seduction21/08/13 06:44 PM
7

There's one exception to this and its girls that I've been with that don't kiss but are willing to fuck anyway. Some girls find kissing more intimate than fucking for some reason - and no, I don't have to pay them after. Haha. I've found a better strategy is to measure their willingness by if they'll let me isolate them. When that happens I usually won't directly try to kiss, but rather kiss their neck and let them kiss me. If they don't do that then its a pretty sure bet they're not into having…
/r/seduction21/08/13 04:38 PM
6

Just do it, and the chick will let you know what's wrong. Then roll back a little, and that's where you need to be. Then do it all the time.
/r/seduction21/08/13 12:53 PM
3

Its hard to say without an actual field report to break down the particulars. But, I'd say the number one problem is if you aren't pushing things. If you're hesitant and letting things get stagnate without going for it, then things will die out. So always push things as far as they can go, with confidence. Don't be satisfied just getting a number or even a kiss. Keep pushing until logistics won't let you go further. Bounce venues, get physical, pull to the bathroom if you have to. The other thin…
/r/seduction21/08/13 12:51 PM
1

Trust me, we all have really bad habits to break. I've been studying seduction since 2005 and I'm sorta getting the hang of it in the last year or so. The amount of gorgeous women I've fucked things up with over stupid shit is mind boggling. Definitely more than the ones I've had success with (even though those numbers are reversing now, thankfully). Be patient with yourself, learn from your mistakes with the understanding some may take a really really long time to correct.
/r/seduction21/08/13 12:18 PM
2

In an inner game sense, like what everyone else says, just go for it. But in a practical sense, I always try to make sure I'm standing a little behind her, grab her by the elbow to turn her around, and then go for it. To theorize, its a bit romantic and a bit caveman. But maybe its just having a move to go to, like having a canned opener. Oh, and don't wait until the end of the night to go for the kiss either. If you go for it midway through, and she goes for it, you can more really push to an F…
/r/seduction20/08/13 10:01 PM
1

You just have to show restraint and let those moments pass. Internalize the thought "I understand I want to check up on things to make sure they're ok, but this can only do harm. So I'm just gonna chill out." After awhile it'll become second nature. But most importantly, realize you can't insure that things will "work out" with added pressure to desperately protect your relationship - it'll only break it.
/r/seduction20/08/13 12:31 PM
3

You gotta have a really strong fun/bro vibe, otherwise its really good.
/r/seduction19/08/13 01:16 PM
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