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Conversationbarlowaplesand/r/seduction06/07/25 04:19 PM
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Resourcesbarlowaplesand/r/seduction24/01/26 02:32 PM
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Resourcesbarlowaplesand/r/seduction25/05/25 11:40 AM
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even IF their tech worked, it's all out there in the open at this point. You can learn pushpull and cold reads and compliments etc (same stuff they will teach you) in 10 mins on youtube or whatever. No need to pay a coach for the same info. In reality, it's just a numbers game. you need to find the girls who are attracted to you.
/r/seduction08/05/26 07:03 AM
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exactly. You can only seduce girls who are attracted to you. Finding them girls is the 'numbers game' element. Having 'game' means you are more likely to lead that attraction to sex
/r/seduction03/05/26 02:43 PM
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yes. I used to see people hookup in the olden days, but as you say, i never see it anymore. People who are making out came to the event together
/r/seduction03/05/26 08:39 AM
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Todds whole game is 'you look like trouble' haha. Memorise that sentence and you are running game Todd V style
/r/seduction02/05/26 07:55 AM
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hit the gym and get better fashion etc. Do all you can to be the guy who she would swipe right on, on tinder
/r/seduction02/05/26 07:50 AM
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lol
/r/seduction01/05/26 08:23 PM
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lol. Maybe I didn't phrase that brilliantly lol. But your reply made it sound like it was possible but very hard (?). My understanding is that it's impossible. I'm saying people would do it if it was possible but took a lot of effort (making it 'worth it')
/r/seduction01/05/26 05:05 PM
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Girls know if they like you in 3 seconds or less yes, i've heard that she decides whether she is attracted to you in less than a second and infield footage seems to confirm it, so it certainly makes sense to bail on girls who aren't supe receptive
/r/seduction01/05/26 03:39 PM
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seen it in person lol. You agree that women are horny and that one night stands happen so not sure what you are disagreeing with tbh lol
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:31 AM
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happens to good looking dudes all the time
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:16 AM
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girls are horny too! I had a good looking mate who had hunreds of one night stands with horny hot girls who approached him
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:15 AM
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I think it's more that they want to be approached by guys who they would swipe right on on tinder. It's that simple, really The rest of it is overthinking I had one of my hottest lays by breaking "rule number 2" massively, where I was super super forward and clear in how gorgeous she was. I was giving ALL of my 'power' away to the extreme, and still took her home
/r/seduction25/04/26 12:11 PM
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have you tried game? (Google "pushpull lines" and use them)
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:30 PM
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i actually saw a post from someone a minute ago who believes that game transcends all (i.e even if she thinks you are hideous and are 80 adn she's 18, you can 100% get her if you're game is good enough). He posts here. We need him to release teh system and methods! lol
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:40 AM
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the problem with game is that everything works and nothing works. That's why there's endless arguments, disagrements adn contradictions lol
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:33 AM
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it's perfect for people to finally test whether 'game' actually works or not lol. We can all go out tonight adn hit on the very hottest girls. Even if she is 50 years younger than you. If you get rejected, you have your answer!
/r/seduction10/04/26 11:53 PM
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it could possibly FEEL like it works if you approach a girl who is attracted to you (same as when you use game that comes from your own brain and not an app, really. We kid ourselves that is was our verbal wizardry or wahtever when anything would have worked on that particular girl lol)
/r/seduction10/04/26 09:36 PM
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That's because everything works and nothing works. there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way to do it. It's about her attraction, basically A guy can approach a girl who thinks he's handsome and be super direct and tell her how gorgeous she is, and then he will say 'that's how you do it! tell them they're gorgeous'!' Another guy can approach a girl who thinks he's hot and be very coy and stoic and almost ignore her, and she will chase him because she thinks he's cute. He will teach people to always show…
/r/seduction10/04/26 06:57 PM
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feels a bit like fiction but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt: I said “y’all both look beautiful” when they walked by and then the brunette said “you’re not so bad yourself” But why does every successful FR and even infield in existence involve a girl who is super down from the get go lol. Is it just that game never ever works on girls who don't like you?
/r/seduction20/03/26 05:43 PM
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Cold approach is about finding the girls who are attracted to you, and then pulling them home without messing up. You done taht. Good job. Good game You can't game the girls into bed who aren't into you. Even with the best 'game' in the world
/r/seduction01/02/26 04:37 PM
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online dating?
/r/seduction30/01/26 06:56 PM
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thoughtful reply - I think you’ve highlighted exactly where the confusion is coming from. (or at lest possibly) I’m not talking about: familiarity repeated exposure bonding over a long time social proof built across weeks/months halo effect from seeing someone in a social circle I actually kind of agree that attraction can grow through those mechanisms. That’s well documented and not controversial. Plus I feel like i've seen it with my own eyes (something very importnat for me to believe things.…
/r/seduction30/01/26 03:31 PM
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strange. No, I haven't deleted anything?
/r/seduction30/01/26 03:08 PM
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I think this is where the standard of proof is becoming uneven. You’re saying I can’t claim she would never be attracted to him unless we test it across their entire lifetimes. That’s fair in theory. But by the same logic, you also can’t claim that game could make her attracted without testing it across their entire lifetimes either. Both claims require the same impossible level of proof. So we have to come back to observable reality instead of hypotheticals. What we can observe is this. In real…
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:11 PM
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I think this is where the disagreement becomes very clear. You’re saying the tool is never the limit, only the user is. But in the real world, tools have limits. A hammer is a great tool, but it cannot cut wood no matter how skilled the user is. A screwdriver cannot do the job of a saw. That’s not user error. That’s a limit of the tool itself. What I’m suggesting is that game is more like that. A tool that operates within constraints. One of those constraints is whether sexual attraction exists …
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:07 PM
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am i right in thinking that you are one of the coaches who posts here? I metnioned teh newtabs guy (ul dating coach) who writes FR's and LR's who got trolled for getting rejected a few times before hooking up (they argued. the poster tolled him saying that rejection/lack of attraction is always a 'game' issue, and the coach said 'if she's not your type, attraction doesn't happen') What is you view? I note that you certainly get your fair share of rejections. And kudos for admitting it. But do yo…
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:03 PM
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You’re treating every rejection as proof of imperfect execution. I’m saying some rejections happen because attraction was never there to work with in the first place. That’s not holding game to a higher standard. It’s pointing out that your model makes the idea impossible to test in the real world. Because by your logic, there is no situation where we could ever say “game hit a limit.” The answer will always be “it wasn’t done perfectly.” That’s very different from the Michael Jordan analogy. Wh…
/r/seduction30/01/26 01:47 PM
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you misunderstand again lol. I don't tihnk it exists. Many on this sub do, though.
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:20 PM
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I understand what you mean by hypotheticals. But that’s exactly my point: when people treat game as a real-world universal solution, they’re implicitly claiming that it can overcome all limits, like some kind of guaranteed attraction machine. That’s where the logic breaks down! Hypothetical “perfect game” might guarantee attraction if it could exist, but in reality: Experienced coaches get rejected repeatedly by single women who are clearly available Instant rejections happen before any real int…
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:02 PM
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I get what you’re saying, but I still think there’s a fundamental disconnect here. You argue that if someone is rejected immediately, it’s because the situation was misread or the game wasn’t executed perfectly. But that doesn’t explain why experienced coaches , who can read people and calibrate better than almost anyone , still get rejected repeatedly by single women who are clearly available and open to meeting someone. They are not misreading a hidden signal or “failing early”. these women si…
/r/seduction30/01/26 11:57 AM
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yes, I think yo're talking aboiut different things. The guys on this sub who don't believe in rejection or 'being her type' or anything clsoe to that aren't of course screening or looking for DTF girls. ALL girls are DTF with them due to their game. They essentially compell strong attraction in any and all girls
/r/seduction30/01/26 11:42 AM
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If we’re talking about the initial seconds, there’s no ‘game’ to run, it makes no sense that's one of many things that these guys with apparent god like game (much better than the pros with infield) would disagree with you about
/r/seduction30/01/26 10:39 AM
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I think this is where we’re actually disagreeing at a deeper level. You’re saying: “You can make yourself be her type if you know which buttons to push.” I’m questioning whether that’s always true in real life. Because this assumes that attraction is mostly psychological and that physical/instinctive preference is secondary and can be overridden with the right inputs. But if that were the case, we wouldn’t see: Immediate rejections before any real interaction happens Women deciding within second…
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:54 AM
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If it happens after a few seconds, it’s probably because you’re not her type Not being 'her type' isn't relevant though, apparently. I think burnitdown for example is saying taht you just didn't run game will enough. If you did, she'd suddenly see you as 'her type' and be attracted to you
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:45 AM
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You’re basically saying: “Perfect game would guarantee attraction, but perfect game is impossible because every person and moment is different.” Which makes sense in theory. But in practice, that turns “perfect game guarantees attraction” into something unfalsifiable. Because any time attraction doesn’t happen, the answer becomes: “Well, it wasn’t perfectly calibrated to that exact person in that exact moment.” At that point, it’s no longer a testable idea. It’s more like a philosophical one. My…
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:22 AM
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every girl has a 'type'. If you are not it, then you won't be able to get attraction from her. Most rejection is just the result of you not being her type and there's no attraction there, even if you use pushpull etc. It's a number game. Don't stress about her and move on to the next girl
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:58 AM
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you need to re-read the theory. You've missunderstood it
/r/seduction29/01/26 09:55 PM
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I mean everything you said is true except you can do everything right and the girl still not be interested. Certainly. And this is the problem. You can do everything absolutely perfectly and get rejected many many times in a row. As uncut infield from the coaches shows. Game is more about helping you seal the deal with the girls who like you. Not 'making' them like you
/r/seduction29/01/26 07:39 PM
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yeah he's not that well known, but a few of the guys on this sub who claim to be the very best seemed to recommend him, so I thought i'd share his work for people to test it and see if it's legit or not
/r/seduction29/01/26 05:18 PM
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I gave teh cliffnotes of Joshua Pellicer seduction book in a different thread so people can go out and test it tonight
/r/seduction29/01/26 02:23 PM
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The continuum model’s neutral state applies before interaction. An approach forces immediate individuation, so she moves from low-effort category processing to active impression formation. She’s not neutral. She’s already deciding whether you’re a man she is attracted to or someone she wants out of her space, just like you would if a woman approached you.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:50 PM
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Exactly. I used to chat with girls I pulled on a night out in the morning after sex and she always revealed she wanted me to approach her or noticed me earlier and liked what she saw etc. And even with the pros if you watch infield, you notice that you can tell within like 3 seconds whether he'll get her or not. It's obvious very fast by her reaction to his open and stuff. Even the 'skilled' guys are doing exactly what you are doing. Getting the girls who wanna be got! (by him)
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:59 PM
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Fortunately, most of the time a woman is in a NEUTRAL state wrong
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:57 PM
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If she wants you, she wants you. If she doesn't good luck seducing her. obviously. Game is about banging all of the girls who are attracted to you, so without fumbling and dropping the ball. It's Not about somehow magically making them attracted to you with body language and pushpull or whatever else.
/r/seduction26/01/26 03:54 PM
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I advise you learn to read social cues and calibration so you know who too approach
/r/seduction26/01/26 01:53 PM
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only if you aren't calibrated and are bad at reading social cues
/r/seduction26/01/26 01:29 PM
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Did I help you get laid with this? Have you tried what I said and applied it?
/r/seduction26/01/26 01:10 PM
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Instead of talking about things that happen 1 out of 100 times, it’s much better to talk about things that happen 90 out of 100 times I tihnk they're saying it happens nearly every time though. 'Advanced game'
/r/seduction26/01/26 10:14 AM
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Many posters HERE say it's very possible to turn complete disinterest/strong lack of attraction into sex lol.
/r/seduction26/01/26 09:52 AM
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100%. she's either a yes or a no, deep down. Never a 'maybe' (in teh same way you don't 'maybe' like a certain food. You either like it or you don't) find hte girls who are attracted. You can't make them attracted. She doesn't give a crap about your teasing and stuff if she doesn't think you're remotely hot everyone knows it's a numbers game
/r/seduction26/01/26 09:51 AM
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If you had as good game as some of the posters here claim to have, could you have banged the girls who rejected you?
/r/seduction25/01/26 08:36 PM
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that's not what he's saying. He's admitting that he too would get rejected many times in a row if he cold approached every super hot girl he liked. If she's not attracted, then that's it. It's over. He's saying the 'trick' is to only approach the girls who seem to be attracted to you and seem to want to be approached. It's very different. But he's saying that is how one gets a very high 'open to close' rate
/r/seduction25/01/26 04:53 PM
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good man! Give us a field report! I done a field report or 2 a while back using his stuff.
/r/seduction25/01/26 09:41 AM
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try not to think of it as a script. Try to understand the reasoning and theory/technique behind the words. I hope it helps you
/r/seduction25/01/26 01:13 AM
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mass approach is good! I mass approach!! I believe it's the law of large numbers that actually get you results in cold approach! screw 'em! I know some guy yesterday was saying wait for the girls too approach you, but that only happens for super handsome dudes
/r/seduction24/01/26 07:18 PM
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models is the one people suggest the most edit - ah, you're talking about online. I don't think it matters. Just get best pictures you can possible get.
/r/seduction24/01/26 02:39 PM
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everything works and nothing works. Just depends on if you are her type or not. So it's not really worth 'reflecting' unless one is literally spitting when they talk or something. And you'd also have no idea what to change (if anything).
/r/seduction23/01/26 05:34 PM
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There's seemingly a million ways to skin the cat and there's no right or wrong way. I'd say approach, chat to sense if there's any interest/attraction, compliment and flirt, get number(or take home) I think the issue is that you can do everything absolutely perfectly and get rejected 50 times in a row straight if you're just not her type. And so 'learning from failure' is kind of an impossible task. (not to mention the unlimited number of variables)
/r/seduction23/01/26 09:49 AM
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as I understand Adam Lyons’ model, the idea isn’t that attraction has to already be there. It’s that you’re building attraction through investment, leadership, and escalation, rather than trying to manufacture it with lines. In Street Seduce, Adam is pretty explicit that you don’t rely on pre-existing attraction alone. You open normally, then create attraction by leading the interaction forward and getting her emotionally and physically involved. For example: Opening calmly and confidently (“Hey…
/r/seduction22/01/26 05:59 PM
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That sounds great if you are mega handsome, yes, but what if she's not interested. Most of us will need to use 'game' to make them attracted as opposed to just telling her she's hot and then asking her out.
/r/seduction22/01/26 05:30 PM
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Spoke to others about him. He will direct you too a magic 'coach' who has decided you are lucky enough for him to teach one last time (this 'coach' is in fact him) and you will learn the same nonsense that everyone already knows lol
/r/seduction24/12/25 08:08 PM
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see these same marketing/caoching fishing posts by this guy many times lol It's all made up
/r/seduction24/12/25 08:06 PM
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them London gamers basically just got some flakey numbers back in a time where passport game was very powerful! (before every hot Russian girl had a socail media account and OF and could make her own bag $$$!). All of their success was on tourists or in broke countries
/r/seduction23/12/25 10:52 PM
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attraction isn't something you 'do'. I mean, you can try 'teasing' and 'pushpull' and report back with the results. But it's only gonna help if that girls was already attracted to you (and thus not really necessary)
/r/seduction22/12/25 07:16 PM
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lol, I saw these 2 girls out on the street the other night. Think one of them had a bottle of alcohol in her hand. Very pretty and had great bodies. Then I saw a guy approach them. He opened, made small talk and flirted a bit (dude was about 25 at a guess??) then he asked how old they were and they said 'we're 13'. The guy literally RAN away! (I guess partly for comedic effect?!) But he was gone!!! literally sprinted lol. It's tough out there. The girls could have easily told me they were 22 and…
/r/seduction19/12/25 11:12 PM
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MOST women will find 'objectively' goodlooking men handsome and thus chase them, make it easy for them (yes yes dating coaches, I know, 'women aren't visual and are blind and don't care about looks!!' lol That's why a tall guy with a great build and a sharp jaw with green eyes and great hair will clean up and have girls apporahcing HIM etc. He can do no wrong. They laugh at his shit jokes etc. But a small selection of girls will have 'unusual taste'. I'm not handsome and I was banging an absolut…
/r/seduction10/12/25 04:18 PM
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I agree with you, but all of the posters here who claim ot be a coach would call that a 'limiting belief' and suggest that you need to read more richard Laruina
/r/seduction10/12/25 08:11 AM
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they say girls aren't visual, so shouldn't matter. Probably needs to use pushpull lines
/r/seduction08/12/25 07:06 PM
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pushpull?
/r/seduction08/12/25 06:18 PM
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>It's more like most 22 year olds don't want to bang a 37 year old man but can't you use 'game' to make that not the case? lots of coaches here claim it's super easy even if you are 60 or whatever (to bang 19 year olds) if you know pushpull etc
/r/seduction08/12/25 06:02 PM
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I once read you have to 'risk being creepy' by a famous pickup coach. I think in a way he's right. I mean, you probably will get labelled 'creepy' by some girls no matter how you flirt IF you are not her type! It's just teh way it is. A bit like that famous meme with the 2 different guys both saying 'looking good today, Susan!' (with one guy she blushes, with the other guy she calls HR! lol)
/r/seduction07/12/25 08:55 PM
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not necessarily. He might have the best game in the world, but if you are TOTALLY not a girls type (maybe she's 18 and likes tall guys her own age with blue eyes and long hair and you are 55 and fat and bald) then he'll almost certainly get told to go away after he opens lol
/r/seduction07/12/25 01:41 PM
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there's nothing new under the sun I guess lol. NO magical new techniques
/r/seduction07/12/25 01:09 PM
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stephspeaks on youtube is one of the fastest growing PUA's at the moment
/r/seduction07/12/25 12:56 PM
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Are you using pushpull?? that's supposed to create extreme attraction and if you do it, you should be getting most girls you approach google pushpull lines
/r/seduction06/12/25 08:56 PM
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coach
/r/seduction06/12/25 04:21 PM
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i have the same data, tbh and i do'nt tihnk it's blackpill. We are both not good looking and we've both had success wiith hot girls. (blackpill would say that's not possible)
/r/seduction06/12/25 04:14 PM
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tbh, the sub is a bit weak nowadays. It seems like everyone's a 'coach' and so no actual 'actionable' advice is ever given (just vague) as they want you to DM them for coaching and the secrets lol. People never get a straight answer as to what to do/say so they can actually test it
/r/seduction06/12/25 01:30 PM
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well you could say i'm nobody's type too, but i've had some good success. Not all girls have typical taste, is my theory. But I konw when I get rejeveted hard it's 100% down to her not thinking i'm hot. Definitely not to do with not being 'loud' enough ot whatever.
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:48 PM
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I think the trick is to just truly embrace the numbers game. Like many people when tehy first discover 'game' and all that stuff, you buy into the marketing that you can basically 'control'/create her attraction. Like it's in your hands. But after years of experimenting with the 'technique's in the books and even watching 'coaches' get killed in the field, it becomes super obvious that it truly is just a numbers game. e.g when you get rejected, there's nothing that you could have said or done to…
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:43 PM
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Could mean she ignored his approach altogether (he's too quiet, timid, or making massive mistakes on his approach) usually it's just because you're not her type. Like, there's no sexual/physical attraction there. I'd say that's teh case for maybe 85% of rejections. It's not usually somerthing you done 'wrong'
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:29 PM
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a dating coach on here posted quite a few FR's recently. Might give a rough estimate
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:40 AM
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my personal opinion is probably the other way around, in that faster is better. (obviously with exceptions). Younger girls. And in bars. (young girls associate slow speech with being dumb) Maybe slower if you're with an older women and in a restaruant though I always read about how 'people associate fast speech with nerves' but in real life, i've never heard people assume that. They might just think they're excited, or have a quick brain or something else. One of my bosses speaks a million miles…
/r/seduction03/12/25 05:59 PM
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As with everything in 'game' you'll get drastically different opinions about every tiny nuance. I used to hear people always advise speaking very slow, but recently I keep hearing the opposite (that young girls are all adhd nowadays and get super bored by a slow speaker and you need that 'Russell brand' speech/energy lol) >Some women have explicitly said they love my voice, and others seem to be turned off by it This probably says it all. It's all random and personal preference etc. I also doubt…
/r/seduction03/12/25 04:01 PM
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I think the trick is to just truly embrace the numbers game. Like many people when tehy first discover 'game' and all that stuff, you buy into the marketing that you can basically 'control'/create her attraction. Like it's in your hands. But after years of experimenting with the 'technique's in the books and even watching 'coaches' get killed in the field, it becomes super obvious that it truly is just a numbers game. e.g when you get rejected, there's nothing that you could have said or done to…
/r/seduction03/12/25 03:31 PM
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they say 'it's not what you say' and 'what you say doesnt matter', so I wouldn't worry about it. Say whatever, so no need to read the books and 'learn game'
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:15 AM
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I think the main issue, as you touch upon, is that nobody, no matter how many PUA books they've read or how 'skilled' they think they are, can MAKE a girl attracted. But admission of this would basically wreck the industry and all these coaches making 5k per week from 'bootcamps' where they 'teach' the student all of the weak stuff everyone already knows! (because game went mainstream years ago) would be out of business lol It's a numbers game. Simple as that. The 'skill' element is basically no…
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:12 AM
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Q was about cold approach. Not athletes lol
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:09 AM
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never heard that quote, but that's exactly what I've always thought!! I remember being like 23 and having a quarter life crisis, being told I was 'wasting my time by not 'going travelling' etc'. But I didn't even WANT to travel! I was quite happy doing whatever it was that people thought was 'wasting time' (gaming, watching films, whatever!!). "the time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted time." would have been perfect for me back then lol
/r/seduction28/11/25 03:19 PM
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Any reason a woman gives to not want to date you is a valid reason But I think the idea is that the dating coaches say that this is a "$hit test'' by her. And also that even if it's a legitimate thing (e.g she really isn't into you because she thinks you're short and old and she likes young tall guys or whatever) you can use pushpull etc to change her mind and make her very attracted
/r/seduction28/11/25 02:48 PM
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But honestly, just like there is nothing a gay man can say to a straight dude for him to want to have sex with him, there is nothing you can say to a girl who doesn't find you sexually attractive for her to all of a sudden have sex with you (willingly). that's an interesting way of putting it lol. And I agree. I think people have done the 'game' stuff to death since it went quite mainstream some time ago and all of us already know everything that 'coaches' teach. It just doesn't cut the mustard
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:20 PM
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So when you get rejected by a girl off the bat with a very clear 'no', do you ever think 'I coud maybe have got her if I learned all the secret lines and techniques that these coaches offer me'?. Or do you just not believe in that stuff (the idea that 'pushpull' and negs, self amusement/qualification/cold reads or whatever will MAKE a girl super attracted to you, even if she thought you were way way too ugly and old for her when you said 'hi')
/r/seduction28/11/25 11:57 AM
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yeah, I mean, I DON'T use mode1, but I see what you mean I've seen coaches etc and it's basically non-existent that he can 'flip' a girl who is blatantly not interested in him with his 'game' and pushpull techniques etc, into sex on a cold approach. It's like they actually decide with maybe 5 seconds max. So from that angle I can totally see the benefit of just being super direct and not wasting time I do see coaches on here make claims such as you talk about ('being able to get just about any a…
/r/seduction28/11/25 11:52 AM
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I think to get benefit from it, you'd need have an extremely low beginning point in the first place. Real issues with maybe autism and general social skills etc. So that 'learning' to smile when someone says something humerous and stuff would be something you didn't know kind of thing. A bit like a 'coach' on how to make friends, maybe? But other than that, for a 'normal' person, it'd be a terrible waste of money! You'd not learn anything to give you an 'edge' over 99% of men. These "dating coac…
/r/seduction26/11/25 07:45 PM
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push pull??
/r/seduction25/11/25 09:30 PM
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They get rejected just as much as anyone else. However they approach so much that they increase the odds of approaching a girl who is attracted to him - But of course when they open a girl who doesn't think he's hot, then it will be a rejection. He will try pushpull etc ('attraction material' )but it just delays the rejection
/r/seduction24/11/25 01:56 PM
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being 'good' at flirting isn't really something to worry about, tbh. I mean, flirting with a girl is the easiest thing in the world. It's not hard! The issue is that if she's not attracted to you, it's not wanted, no matter how 'smooth' you are with it lol. You need her to flirt back! That's where being her type is important! put another way, you can be the 'best flirt' in the world, but it doesn't mean you'll get laid lol
/r/seduction23/11/25 01:40 PM
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skip the gym. The coaches say that girls aren't visual, and so having muscles or being 6ft 5 wouldn't change a damn thing. They're 'not visual' Of course, these coaches could be wrong.....
/r/seduction22/11/25 04:12 PM
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So it's about filtering women out, not about winning women over. this. Even the coaches running bootcamps can't 'win her over'. I've seen them in person. It's all about screening/filtering
/r/seduction16/11/25 03:07 PM
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this is totally true, but unfotrunately it's like one of those things where maybe you need to get a bodycount to realise! I was insecure about having a low body count in my early 20's and when I read about 'game' I started appraohcing like a maniac and got a very high body count, BUT nobody cares at all. Some people see it as a bit weird and as a negative. Some people don't even believe you. Other guys who HAVE only slept with 2 girls will claim 20 which also makes you wonder why you ever cared …
/r/seduction16/11/25 10:29 AM
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yeah, that's the way it can be sometimes. But in my experience, with enough volume, you can really hit some lottery wins sometimes. A little while back I was getting rejected all night long by girls I wouldn't even have been that excited about pulling. Quite fast 'you're not my type', or just plain ignoring me etc after maybe making an observational opener And then I ended up pulling some stunner who was literally half my age lol. And it was easy. I guess I was just her 'type' But abosolutely no…
/r/seduction13/11/25 08:02 PM
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i honestly don't tihnk it can be done. We'd have seen it a LOT by now. it's literally unheard of lol. You can use all the 'attraction material' you've read and test it, I guess. I have lol.
/r/seduction12/11/25 09:25 PM
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I think when she's interested/attracted, you don't need to do anything special, tbh in terms of being engaging and charasmatic. At most, I guess you need to be not extremely 'UNcharasmatic' I tend to often pull a girl WHEN I can tell, within maybe 30 seconds of the open, that she's into me. High hit rate in those instances, which I think is basically as good as is possible to be in terms of game and what's possible
/r/seduction12/11/25 08:22 PM
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this
/r/seduction12/11/25 08:20 PM
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The greater, far more rewarding “job” is to flip the ones who initially aren’t attracted to you. never seen anything like that. Only anecodtedly from dating coaches etc. But when seeing coaches in person, or even infield footage, he is never ever able to ''flip' her
/r/seduction12/11/25 08:20 PM
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i never like the whole 'make statements' and 'cold reads' stuff. I never felt it 'helped' at all. I've pulled girls by asking interview questions. And i've been rejected making 'cold reads' I feel like it's just a random invention so that people selling books can at least claim to have shown you something 'different'
/r/seduction12/11/25 01:18 PM
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be really hot! (and if not, be MEGA rich lol)
/r/seduction12/11/25 01:15 PM
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i've learn this with cold approach If you approach a girl and it feels a bit like pulling teeth. She's not asking you stuff. Not really engaging or talking back etc, then just move on! You are wasting your time if you think you are gonna magically change her mind/attraction level with cold reads and pushpull etc (game) it's a different game entirely when you approach a girl who is attracted to you. Concentrate on finding THEM girls!
/r/seduction11/11/25 08:26 AM
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i think this is kind of the heart of it? guys in the community have been told that you can be 'direct'. It will 'work' IF she thinks you are handsome and you are her type And that you can be 'indirect'. With this, you can get her in bed even she thinks you are an hideous ugly man old enough to be her grandad. And so people go indirect (since they know that they are probably not 'hot' in the eyes of the 18 year old girl they want) But as you say, the result is actually the same. (e.g you can't ma…
/r/seduction10/11/25 08:30 AM
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see if they flirt back. If they don't then move on.... If a girl is into tall Chad's, then no matter what you do, you will never be their first option (or an option at all) Yes, that's kind of answer my question tbh. You can do everything perfectly but keep getting rejected kinda thing. Kind of about finding the right girl. You can't game a girl into wanting you if you're not her type. It's all good!
/r/seduction08/11/25 12:11 AM
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must be getting paid by the word!! all that to say 'cold approach' lol. Didn't even give us the TLDR at the bottom! :)
/r/seduction07/11/25 10:38 AM
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you said this "You can’t make a girl like you or persuade her, either she likes you or she doesn’t" in another post, so in a way that kind of confirms what I was asking. Thanks
/r/seduction07/11/25 10:09 AM
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this is kind of what i've experienced. thanks
/r/seduction07/11/25 09:14 AM
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i didn't want to list everything lol, but yes also disqualiofication, qualification etc. What are the ones you think are missing that are worth mentioning in your opinion? I likely just didn't mention them (outergame)
/r/seduction07/11/25 09:13 AM
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it's not that 'crazy' but earlier I was thinking about a time I pulled this girl who was way out of my league! She was a LOT younger than me. And beautiful. I pointed at her to my friend as she came very close (since she was coming to the bar to get a drink and i was there just leaning against the bar) and I said 'I want that one!'. She looked at me, and it just seemed we were making out within about 3 seconds. I was like 36 and she was 18 and hot as shit. Pure luck!
/r/seduction04/11/25 05:55 PM
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in terms of 'seduction' we have a few tools that 'APPARENTLY' create attraction they are teasing/pushpull: So if a girl thinks you are way way too old for her and also fat and ugly for her tastes, you can make her very attracted by saying 'you're trouble. Me and you aren't gonna get along', 'you're cute, but i'm not sure if you're my type' (or some other pushpull/tease) negs: 'are your nails real? no? shame' DHV stories: (tell her a story that hints that you are a leader of men and/or that lots …
/r/seduction04/11/25 05:38 PM
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i.e being good at 'game' and coming across as very confident and flirting well is of no use if she's not attracted to you
/r/seduction01/11/25 03:54 PM
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his looks weren't good enough to get his feet in the door (to her personal tastes)
/r/seduction01/11/25 03:53 PM
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what are your techniques/lines for seducing extremely low interest girls? Unforunately no PUA coaches online with infields can do it so I have to look elsewhere
/r/seduction01/11/25 01:27 PM
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obviously on here people will say you could literally have no nose and no lips or teeth and you could get a 95% approach to lay rate with models if you use pushpull since 'girls aren't visual' lol However, real talk, you are easily above average! I was expecting ugly but you're quite good looking. You'll be OK.
/r/seduction27/10/25 09:53 PM
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what are your techniques/lines for seducing extremely low interest girls? Unforunately no PUA coaches online with infields can do it so I have to look elsewhere
/r/seduction26/10/25 10:53 AM
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no PUA comes close to that. People who are consiered 'the best' (todd V, coach kyle etc) tend to say 1 lay in 35 approaches. And bearing in mind these are coaches who are likely embelleshing their numbers. Also coach kyle is young and good looking and so most people won't be able to get close to replicating his success. IN truth it's not really about 'skill' as such. It's about not messing up when you open a gilr who is somewhat into you I mean, you could have AMAZING game and still strike out 1…
/r/seduction25/10/25 07:19 PM
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if you're young adn good looking, you'll do well
/r/seduction08/10/25 04:20 PM
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There are pushpull?
/r/seduction06/10/25 05:22 PM
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I see lots of guys on here claim to be experts, but I basically NEVER see them same posters give actual verbatim lines and stuff so I doubt you'll get any help on this sub, tbh. They'll say 'just say 'hi'' lol.
/r/seduction05/10/25 06:50 PM
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it's fine. I mean, it's better than asking people here. What I mean by that is it tends to give you the 'good' answsers you would recieve if you asked seddit without the really really bad answers you'd also get if you asked seddit
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:11 AM
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it's a numbers game. Not about something 'working' or not, really (did you try pushpull etc?) Keep approaching until you find the girls who are receptive/attracted. That's the game
/r/seduction28/09/25 09:54 AM
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give us an update later. Tell us what attraction techniques you used and if they worked or not good luck!
/r/seduction27/09/25 10:55 AM
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girls know within a few seconds whether they will bang you or not If it's 'yes', you MIGHT need a tiny bit of 'game' to seal teh deal. And sometimes you don't even need that. She'll do al the work if she thinks you're super hot If It's a 'no', then all the 'game' in the world won't help. You can use 'pushpull' and self amusement and we frames and qualify her and disqualify and ablabla and everything else you read in the books. Waste of your tiime A 'maybe' doesn't really exist. She's still a 'ye…
/r/seduction27/09/25 10:29 AM
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it's shocking how many people are actually like this (your friend) when hot girls are involved! I've had a fair few over the years who were good friends who i'd known since school, but as soon as it came to talking to girls in clubs and bars, it was like a dog eat dog world and they seemed to want to sabotage any sets I (or anyone else!) was in, hoing that it would impress the girl and make her want him I stopped going out with them friedns in situations where I knew i'd be hitting on girls etc …
/r/seduction27/09/25 08:45 AM
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lots. And i'm personally very content with my results and my 'game'. It's as good as can be. But as we see from coaches in infields, you can't force attraction in someone. The best game in the world means closing basically every girl who is attracted to you, and I do that more or less. When I get rejected i'm 100% CERTAIN that there's no game technique that would have changed the result (besides, there's not one that I don't know tbh lol)
/r/seduction26/09/25 02:42 PM
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I have all the PDF's. I remember lots of examples, but I guess I could run it through AI or whatever to grab the direct examples. I just know is that I always see on this sub people be like 'read xxx' and then when the poster asks for examples of what that PUA opens with and how he says to transition etc so that he can test it that night, the poster never replies.
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:07 AM
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I've actually a had a decent amount of success from cold approach, but it's ALWAYS a big numbers game (e.g you bang the ones who are very receptive and are showing big IOI's the second you say hi more or less, and no 'game' ever helps at ALL when it's obvious within seconds that she's not interested. And that's also how it is for the coaches, as you can see in infield footage) I don't think i've ever read anything that gave me any new or unique insights. I think i knew everything in PUA books as…
/r/seduction26/09/25 07:49 AM
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you said yourself he's good looking. That's the main thing if we're just talking about getting laid, tbh. Money isn't much of an issue at all in my experience. It only seems to come into teh equation when marriage and stuff is being considered
/r/seduction25/09/25 09:01 PM
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Hitting the gym helped a bit The books (gambler, pellicer, torerro) certainly didn't help at all lol. I don't believe the stuff works for the writers either! I think when the books help, it's more because it gets them actually approaching giving the law of numbers a chance to work
/r/seduction25/09/25 08:15 PM
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i think pickup in terms of the community and the belief in 'game' as being some sort of special skill died off somewhat about 5 or 6 years ago Think of all of the forums and stuff that died off. I used to belong to about 6. Now there's only one of them ones left (sosuave) And even on sosuave, the 'message' is completely different. The mods used to (stupidly) believe and push the idea taht you can get any girl you want, even if you are old and ugly, as long as you tease adn use pushpull and negs …
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:05 AM
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Also, of course the PUA "gurus" were no better with women on average than their audience. They were just guys who found a niche to exploit vulnerable guys, often incel types, out of their money. I agree, and I actually think this is the biggest issue out of all if it! People are trying to 'learn' from guys who are possibly even WORSE than a 'normal' dude from the street! That's why people study for years from a certain 'guru', fail with all his lines and theories, move onto a new one, and just s…
/r/seduction24/09/25 05:19 PM
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'don't ask questions' I swear someone started pushing the idea of cold reads instead and made guys act weird thinking they were 'running game' and some how making her attracted by doing cold reads, and so many times in infields girls look like they are thinking 'why does this guy keep making weird assumptions like a circus magician and can't just speak to me like a normal person' lol tbh, I tihnk nearly everything in PUA books is likely wrong and just bro science. I do'nt think they actually get…
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:55 PM
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of course he had nothing to say lol. He was a moron if you read the exchange. I know he'd go around in circles never giving examples because he hasn't got a clue! some p[eople just like to seem like an expert lol
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:00 PM
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thanks. Good to know I don't need to worry about lines and pushpull and qualification and cold reads and all that stuff I guess lol
/r/seduction22/09/25 04:38 PM
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so i can throw all the aactual 'game' (outer game) out the window? (although the problem with that is if I then get rejected and post a field report, people will say 'you need to use actual game! read gamblers book!!' lol) thanks for reply, though. I'll read that book later on (i think i actually already have it downloaded somewhere!)
/r/seduction22/09/25 03:17 PM
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I had to block that other poster lol. Would be going round forever with him dodging the question hhaha. Anyone got any preferred openers and transitions for after the open that they favor?
/r/seduction22/09/25 02:09 PM
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interesting post as it aligns with what i'm starting to think! that the 'seduction' techniques we all read about are really extremely weak and don't carry much, if any power at all in terms of creating attraction. And I also sometimes think, as you say, that what's in the books is more about making people who have lived in a cave seem more 'normal' as opposed to making a 'normal' guy some sort of Don Juan who can get all the girls!
/r/seduction22/09/25 01:18 PM
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very likely. I pulled one of the hottest girls in my life a while back from a bar (some Russian stunner!) and as we were walking back to her place to have sex, she realised I didn't know her name. That was it. Over! Tried my best to recover but it was done lol.
/r/seduction22/09/25 12:47 PM
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lol, yes. What are YOUR examples???
/r/seduction22/09/25 12:33 PM
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what's your follow up?
/r/seduction22/09/25 12:23 PM
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already tested it all lol. Appears to 'work' when you open a girl who is into you. The reason people looked for new stuff after reading MM is because it didn't work lol
/r/seduction19/07/25 11:26 AM
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if mysterymethod actually 'worked', people wouldn't have all stopped using it. Everyone tested it, and came to the conclusion that your negs adn cold reads etc don't help at all if you're not her type. (and not such thing as 'neutral'. She's always leaning one way) I'M not sure what your links are supposed to prove? Just talking to girls? no makeout? sex?
/r/seduction19/07/25 11:13 AM
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that's just pickup/game in general. Not just RSD. Nothing actually 'works' tbh. If it did we'd all be doing the same thing with the same lines and getting laid with models every night. Ask yourself why myterymethod used to be so popular and now it's ridiculed. Even 'field testing' doestn't mean anything. I've tested tonnes of the stuff in various PUA books. Doesn't work. At all. Someone might say 'it worked for me using gamblers forced IOI or pellicers cold reads' etc but then Brad Pitt could sa…
/r/seduction19/07/25 10:17 AM
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of course. It's only dating coaches ($$$) who will tell you otherwise (or strangely enough, people who haven't had any success but have completely hung their hat on the idea that the coaches are right!)
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:36 PM
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In theory since 'girls aren't visual' he shouldn't be having so much success from being 6'8'' and handsome! :) /s
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:34 PM
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i've seen his vids. He has unlimited hot young girls throwing themselves at him. Mainly because he's so tall and fairly handsome, but the fact he's being filmed etc (and also girls assume he's an NBA player due to his height and dress) doesn't harm! He'd obliterate any PUA in a pulling competition in a bar lol
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:38 PM
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i tihnk you're basically correct. Attraction is what matters. 'Looks get your foot in the door' as they say, and so with that in mind, NOT having looks means you never have a shot at all, even with 'game' When you approach a girl who is into you, it's like you do'nt need any 'game' at all. I've been there. And when you approached a girl who isn't into you, game never helps. So yes, you're right. Don't let the PUA coaches who want your $$$ gaslight you either!
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:35 PM
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i said this years ago. literally anyone can just become a 'dating coach' today lol. Even the OP!
/r/seduction14/07/25 10:19 AM
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she's always leaning one way. Never neutral
/r/seduction14/07/25 10:17 AM
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shroom trip?
/r/seduction14/07/25 07:58 AM
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you can ignore basically everything you read about 'technical' game. I promise. I've tested it to death. There's no 'technique' (and since we are verbal, these techniques will come out in 'lines', so you could say there's no lines) that will 'attract' a girl. She decides that before you've even spoke. Stuff will 'appear' to work when you use the lines and techniques on girls who were just attracted to you adn they will always fail on the girls who aren't into you. You'll be fooled by randomness …
/r/seduction14/07/25 07:21 AM
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ha, yeah i've had loads of DM's on here from popular posters who are in fact coaches. They offer 'free help', but then as soon as you contact them , the hard sell comes! it's nuts. No way any of these guys are getting laid. It's just a money making avenue
/r/seduction14/07/25 07:16 AM
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exactly. If you call out the truth, the 'limiting belief' crowd come along. Everything on earth is a 'limiting belief' to them guys lol. Not that they actually believe what they say of course. But it's just a part of their marketing tactic to get your $$$. The truth hurts the pickup industry a lot! Yeah, I actually have a few mystery infields on a laptop somewhere that are fairly rare. The one that springs to mind is where he's at a place where he has social proof up the ass, is young at the tim…
/r/seduction13/07/25 01:44 PM
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he'll learn nothing from rejection other than he wasn't her type (UNLESS he is so odd that he was doing things like starring at his feet the whole time or spitting when he spoke etc lol) You don't learn from rejection because what lead to the rejection is just that she wasn't attracted to you. And even IF it was some cheesy game thing (like your approach angle was 5 degree off) you'll still never know whether 'that' was the technical reason. There still unlimited potential variables, all without…
/r/seduction13/07/25 09:01 AM
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fair enough. If you just like reading them then that's cool I guess. Just a note for noobies to not expect any of it to actually work lol A few off the top of my head i've read (and I've read about 50 of them because i used to be dumb and gullible lol) are 'the technical bible', magic bullets', 'mysterymethod', 'the manual'(W anton)
/r/seduction13/07/25 08:47 AM
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it's a huge racket! none of these coaches are better at getting laid than me or you. Some write convincing books but have NO proof or infields (dan bacon for example) Others look AWFUL in infields despite saying they have like a 5000 lay count of young models etc (john anthony for example) Some exploit good looks and massive social proof but tell you it's because of some cheesy techniques they write about (gambler for example). Others play a massive numbers game and hit on more girls than you ca…
/r/seduction13/07/25 08:30 AM
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have neither of them books worked for you? can you not force attraction in girls who initially think you're not hot with the techniques in them books? if so, more books ain't gonna help. there's no lines or technique out there that can overcome a lack of attraction.
/r/seduction13/07/25 08:23 AM
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surely that's irrelevant on a seduction sub? just use 'game' to make them want you, even if you are twice as heavy as him and twice as short. they say here that women aren't visual. It's about how you make them feel (so use pushpull etc)
/r/seduction10/07/25 06:53 PM
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well, mines the same as yours. Approach girls and see if they like you back or not lol. It's just a bit rich to imply there's anything clever about it or that it's a 'skill' lol
/r/seduction10/07/25 06:40 PM
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1% return for your approaches as a beginner. but with your system, the results will be the same whether you are a 'begginer' or have been following your system for 5 years if you see what i mean. she only takes your hand and allows you to escalate etc if you are her type. It could result in 100 rejections in a row, whether you have been using that system for years or for your first time I'm actually not even hating as I personally believe that she makes her mind up within about .5 of a second an…
/r/seduction10/07/25 05:39 PM
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See my post "nightclub guide", I read it, but it reads like pure 'numbers game'? e.g it sounds like it will 'work' if you happened to tap a girl on the shoulder (or offer your hand too) who thinks you are hot, but I don't see any actual 'game' in there. e.g stuff you say to make her wanna bang you even is she thinks you're not hot edit: for anyone too lazy, here's the cliffnotes: Go to the club alone with zero outcome dependence, arrive early, and warm up with random interactions (even bouncers …
/r/seduction10/07/25 04:46 PM
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I don't care about biological standpoint. I'd sooner trust my eyes lol. Women go for good looking guys and literally approach them and throw themselves at them lol check out a guy called 'king68thegreat' on youtube. Tall good looking guy who fimls himself on nights out and you get to see how girls react and approach him/throw themselves at him lol. Different world
/r/seduction10/07/25 04:38 PM
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you don't need to 'look' for it as such. Just read all the threads here each day and also comments in threads on PUA forums haha
/r/seduction08/07/25 08:03 PM
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I've never seen anyone say girls don't care about looks. you've not been looking hard enough lol. Gets said all the time
/r/seduction08/07/25 08:01 PM
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I stumbled upon the jaw surgery sub earlier adn there's an interesting 'top post' currently by a guy who is depressed because he had surgery and is better looking now and NOW suddenly girls are checking him out and are attracted to him and he feels almost guilty about it and also depressed at how 1/he's missed out all this time (he's in his 30's) and 2/how superficial people are and only seem to care about looks (Including girls!!) Apparently that sort of posts happens quite a lot when people ge…
/r/seduction08/07/25 07:21 PM
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i tihnk results come from better looks, but that doesn't mean you need to be like a monk and never approach whilst you improve your looks. Approach anyway! You might just get lucky! It's not as if ugly guys NEVER get laid with hot girls (just that their chances are way way less than their much better looking friends)
/r/seduction08/07/25 05:29 PM
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yes, as I say, i know it was rape and not consent, but i'm saying I don't tihnk a straight acting guy could have ever got as far as he did 'with consent' (e.g middle aged guy so easily building a social circle of teenage girls from scratch in a bar)
/r/seduction08/07/25 07:43 AM
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I got laid on my first ever cold approach. # That's not a brag (andi 've since been rejecgted a billion times sicne lol). I think it justiunderlines my opinion that this is more of a numbers game than anything else. Lots of 'skilled' pickup artists on youtube still seem to get rejected a large amount of the time and i'm convinced that when they pull they simply luckily opened a girl who was into him (liuke i did on my first approach)
/r/seduction08/07/25 07:37 AM
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I’ve started noticing examples of it. I’ve seen openly gay guys at clubs who are super playful with women making out and even sleeping with these hot women So, 'bi' men?? Either way, this is actualy very interesting to me adn sort of timeley because I just finished watching a disturbing popular uk program/documentary (24hoursinpolicecustody) about a prolific rapist in his 30's who was getting lots of teenage girls back to his house weekly and raping them (after getting them super drunk) at his h…
/r/seduction08/07/25 07:34 AM
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i won't name any names, but there's a few regular posters here who seem to be the 'the guys to listen too' according to others here and who 'seem' like regular posters who kill it with girls, but they're actually 'coaches' on the quiet who i'm sure have nothing even CLOSE to the success they claim and they are just constantly DMing people to try to get them to pay for online coaching and stuff. I sometimes feel like every 'slayer' on here is just flat out lying for various reasons lol
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:50 PM
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testing the material. It's all good
/r/seduction06/07/25 01:07 PM
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The idea is to get the girls you actually want and using game to change their mind. I'm just testing it out. It's all good. None of the posts trolling my attempts bother me at all. I promise. I welcome it. I'm just testing it all out. I take no insults personally. I take them as an insult against the material i'm testing and since I didn't write it, I don't care
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:34 AM
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why are you even wasting time chatting to them when they're clearly not interested? to make them interested.
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:01 AM
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can you give me a sample convo or maybe how your approaches and convos go in a bar? Since you say to NOT use game, i'm assuming no cold reads or teases or disqualification etc. Just like 'hey, what's your name, what do you do? how old are you, do you come here often?' kind of chat? thanks
/r/seduction05/07/25 09:30 PM
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acutally, the material I read said you cna use it straight away and no need to wait for a hook or to demonstrate value (in fact he doesn't even mention DHV's). He says 'Used very early, it can spark emotional arousal by creating playful uncertainty'. I guess the issue is that every book disagree with the next one somewhat
/r/seduction05/07/25 08:36 PM
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I'm not really in a position to say this but I'll say it anyway. I seriously wouldn't be able to say "you're not my type" to a girl I approached. I know what you mean, but I like testing stuff, and lots of the stuff i've read recently is all about disqualifying girls lots. I've stolen lots of the lines verbatim so I know I can't be accused of 'doing it wrong' ps - yes I agree the whole 'you're trouble' thing seems to be extremely popular. Todd V made it so I think. But now every single PUA book …
/r/seduction05/07/25 08:28 PM
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gambler, pellicer and saul Tee mostly
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:59 PM
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thanks. I'll definitely do some approaches using no game and compare
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:51 PM
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you mean drop the game? don't use any of the techniques in the books? people usually complain that nobody actually applies the stuff they read so wasn't expecting that reply hahaa
/r/seduction05/07/25 05:53 PM
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yeah, there's a concept of 'forcing IOI's' that I read about from I tihnk 'gambler'?, but honestly it only tends to work if she thinks you're handsome in my experience
/r/seduction04/07/25 10:51 PM
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game went mainstream ages ago. For years now I always see vids pop up about 'pushpull' and all kinds of PUA stuff on ticktok and instagram! Not sure what that means for us lol. Every girl being hit non stop with the same techniques etc. (i'll open, do a cold read, do a pushpull) - Maybe we need to find a completely new thing if everyone is already doing the stuff that the books teach us haha
/r/seduction04/07/25 12:58 PM
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you think it's about looks. Women aren't visual
/r/seduction03/07/25 10:08 PM
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sounds like a limiting belief. can never use age, looks etc as an excuse for rejection. Learn from failure and improve game is the idea
/r/seduction03/07/25 10:06 PM
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a 4ft tall, bald, fat, 65 year old can bang any and every 18 year old beauty queen he sees if he knows about pushpull and other game concepts. That's the idea and what we learnt on this sub
/r/seduction03/07/25 10:05 PM
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I agree!
/r/seduction03/07/25 07:13 PM
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you've got limiting beliefs if you think looks matter. You need to read up on game
/r/seduction03/07/25 07:08 PM
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no, read this sub more. You'll learn. Women aren't visual. You can be the ugliest guy in the city and you could bang every single 10 you see if you know about game
/r/seduction03/07/25 07:00 PM
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you gotta work on making your first impression as impactful as possible and identifying women who are already interested. bit of a limiting belief. Her interest is irrelevant. We just use game to make them interested and attracted. (push pull etc)Every single girl is gettable with game
/r/seduction03/07/25 06:53 PM
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But almost anyone can go from low 5-6s to a 7-8 if you clear your skin, hit the gym, have good hygiene, haircut, and clothes/style go really far. girls aren't visual so none of that matters. Another thing is before you sleep with a girl you NEVER want to even hint at the fact you find her attractive. that goes against lots of pickup advice. edit: downvotes tell me there's still lots of posters here who have limiting beliefts and think girls care at all about height and looks etc. You could be 4f…
/r/seduction03/07/25 06:48 PM
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''...but you do need to be well-kept and congruent'' limiting belief
/r/seduction02/07/25 06:26 PM
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'im not sure they make much of it now due to metoo and all that stuff, but there's been many products released over the years with lots of infield footage by RSD and many of pickup artists. I'm sure you can still find a fair amount on youtube, in fact. people like coach Kyle and Vadim from 'honest signals' etc?
/r/seduction30/06/25 03:54 PM
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infield footage is your best bet Films and stuff are scripted. It's just not realistic Reality TV was actually a good one, BUT in the last decade or so reality tv is also not real. It's all semi scripted But for example, big brother in the UK used to be completely 'real'. Pre social media and stuff. Contestants didn't even get famous and went back to their day jobs and stuff. And with the very early series they had no idea how much of what they said was even being broadcast and even assumed nobo…
/r/seduction30/06/25 03:18 PM
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some apps have a 'choose not to answer' feature on things like height. And some don't require it at all Although I did read some apps are now making it mandatory to include your height. Some men fought back and said 'in that case, women have to put their weight on there' but I think tinder said that wouldn't be fair haha
/r/seduction29/06/25 04:24 PM
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this is the answer - if you don't look anything like as hot as you do in your pics, then it's likely she won't tihnk you are hot in person (so no attraction) another one i've heard of lots from girls is when the guy turned up on the date and was much shorter than she'd have guessed. So they had no interest in getting romantic and of course no physical action or second date
/r/seduction29/06/25 02:39 PM
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you just didn't look like you do in your pics. filters. flattering photo angles. Not mentioning your height etc
/r/seduction29/06/25 02:38 PM
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true, Although women go crazy on the filters! So I guess lots of guys are starting to do the same as they say 'what's good for her is good for me!' lol. But guys will still want to bang evne if she's not as hot as her tinder pics, whereas girls are extremely superficial and all about looks and so if you don't look like your best pic, it's over
/r/seduction29/06/25 02:24 PM
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Are you short? If you are short, did you fail to put your height in your bio? (that's one reason girls insta reject their tinder date that i've read of many many times) Other than that, do you actually look like your tinder pics? Are they filtered?over flattering? old pics? etc
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:28 PM
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filters! Also guys don't mention their height on their profile, and so when they show up on the date and she realised he is short, it's over as she's no longer attracted
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:27 PM
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Open, vibe, show some intent, tease, close
/r/seduction28/06/25 08:35 AM
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that's funny because I had the exact same thing! (in fact, she was the second hottest girl I ever hooked up with, but still super hot. She was a paid model. It was pre instagram etc. She was an actual, young model. gorgeous) I was super depressed and anxious at that time in my life. But she chased me. Very strange.
/r/seduction28/06/25 08:33 AM
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Qualification will only work if she wants to qualify to you yes, that's exactly how it seems. It's not a method by itself. She needs to be attracted to you. I tihnk the PUA's who think it works without them being attracted to you are clearly wrong PS - what so of stories do you create about why you're tlaking to her?
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:38 PM
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they say it's all about confidence.
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:36 PM
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i see pro PUA's in infields who always deliver the lines great get rejected the same way. It happens. I think when they get rejected it's because he's not her type and visa versa.
/r/seduction26/06/25 12:18 PM
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i deliver the line well. I think as the other guy said, you need IOI's for the pua lines adn theory to work (she needs to think you are handsome and want you to approach kind thing) cheers
/r/seduction26/06/25 07:38 AM
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this is literally in like 85% of pua books lol
/r/seduction26/06/25 07:38 AM
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I had a less than 1% success rate this sounds more honest than some of the replies here!! lol
/r/seduction25/06/25 08:58 PM
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Using that line as an open requires some sort of IOI i think I agree Just that the books I'd read and some posts on here from some of the experts said they use that as an opener and didn't mention IOIs I guess IOI's from her before you open are always the secret ingredient too a successfull approach
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:44 PM
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but that was the line that i'd read on here and in some other material that was meant to be used at the open.
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:04 PM
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ALl of that is very true. Here in the UK, every buttoned up accountant has 2 full sleeves and a hand tattoo! BUT I STILL kinda think not having any makes some girls not even seen me lol. So even though I agree with what you say, i'm personally still looking into maybe getting some neck, arm and hand tats. I even see girls on tinder say 'no tats? not interested!' kinda thing and it concerns me haha
/r/seduction25/06/25 07:33 AM
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I look at dating apps more like Doordash exactly. All of the good looking dudes I know treat tinder and stuff like a free prostitutes app haha.
/r/seduction22/06/25 02:35 PM
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I think he'd just find a few local girls from searching for tags of his hometown and stuff nad tehn he'd go through girls friends lists and like the pics of every hot girl who these girls knew who lived in his area.
/r/seduction22/06/25 01:00 AM
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I had a friend who used to get laid from insta. Very good looking dude and girls would DM him and then he'd chat for a few days on insta then meet up to smash
/r/seduction21/06/25 02:04 PM
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I do notice some members here do seem to 'gate keep'. They don't ever give actionable advice. Exactly what to say. What their 'method' is etc. Clear approach examples and 'attraction building' examples etc I tend to think them people are just lying, tbh. Pretending to be a stud on a seduciton forum I don't think they have any secret knowledge which isn't in all of the books, and most of us have READ all of the books, so we very likely know what they know. The problem is that is just doesn't 'wor…
/r/seduction20/06/25 05:18 PM
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hit the gym!! I was invisible to girls at that age, but looking back at old photos, i can see why!! Physical attraction is what gets your foot in the door.
/r/seduction20/06/25 02:32 PM
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Your goal is to express who you are, and your interest in her, honestly. That will turn her into a yes girl or a no girl so you're really just finding out if she's a yes or no girl. Not changing anything
/r/seduction09/06/25 05:37 PM
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I see lots of talk about 'no girls' and 'maybe girls'. This was a Mark Manson thing, right? So a 'no girl' is a girl who will never wanna have sex with you no matter what you say or no matter how good your game is as you're just not her type? And a 'maybe girl' is on the fence and could be convinced to sleep with you? I guess this all makes sense. Not seen it mentioned much, but realised i'd read it before (as i say, I think mark manson) I sometimes think my game is excellent but the issue is th…
/r/seduction09/06/25 02:03 PM
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so you're saying that approaching loads is more about working out how to game certain 'types' of girls and working out what 'type' they are faster? (unless i've missunderstood) I feel like had sex with a fair few 'types' of girls (some super confident raver chicks, some nerdy girls, and some in between etc) but all of them 'types' will still regularly reject me despite me having success with her 'type' before (sorry if i've completely missunderstood your post btw lol) norwgiandogog kind of sugge…
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:25 PM
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do you think approaching so much/practice is more about getting more and more 'comfortable' about approaching and thus giving off a more relaxed vibe or something? That kind of makes sense to me, but the idea that approaching loads makes you 'learn' more doesn't really make sense to me. I can approach the exact same way and one girl will love it, and one girl will hate it. (presumably the girl who loves it just think i'm hot) - i find it very hard to visualise how approaching loads makes you 'be…
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:03 PM
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do you think approaching so much/practice is more about getting more and more 'comfortable' about approaching and thus giving off a more relaxed vibe or something? That kind of makes sense to me, but the idea that approaching loads makes you 'learn' more doesn't really make sense to me. I can approach the exact same way and one girl will love it, and one girl will hate it. (presumably the girl who loves it just think i'm hot) - i find it very hard to visualise how approaching loads makes you 'be…
/r/seduction09/06/25 12:55 PM
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Ahh, nice
/r/seduction09/06/25 08:54 AM
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yes. Quite a lot
/r/seduction09/06/25 08:10 AM
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Todd V? Yeah, not too sure about his stuff. He'd have had the same result as me lol I get some action (not as much as some of my friends though), but yeah, this particular girl I can tell i'd be wasting my time unfortunately lol super pretty though, but from her facebook she has a 'type' it would seem
/r/seduction09/06/25 08:05 AM
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did you move to the philippines?
/r/seduction08/06/25 09:13 PM
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tbh, norwegiandoggo has already given me the answers I think. I know i'm already doing it right as per the books. It's not exactly rocket science. I am working at coming at this from a very different angle soon and have high hopes!
/r/seduction08/06/25 09:02 PM
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this is the new breed of more 'classic' game (cold reads, 'unique' todd V type compliments etc) that pop up on my feeds https://www.facebook.com/reel/686400664259210
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:12 PM
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lol, you're probably right. I'm not quite ready to give up on technical pickup yet, but norwegianDoggo kind of confirmed some of my suspicions, and he seems to be a well respected poster here For my next move to improve my results, i'll be coming at this from a very different angle, and my suspicion is that it will be a hell of a lot more effective than 'game' Will watch this space
/r/seduction08/06/25 05:19 PM
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yes! You get what I mean! Maybe enough time has passed that people feel like they can use them again lol. (bit like how girls who would call you out in 2004 for using opinion openers knowing they were from the mysterymethod are all married now and so girls in bars wouldn't know about it) Yes, it seems that the guys using know it's silly as you say, but it seems to work for them in that they get a fast number and then they chat over insta and then bang. Maybe that's the trick to game young girls …
/r/seduction08/06/25 04:52 PM
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this kinda thing https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gbv_xS-xIzA But there's so many different ones that pop up on my social media. Apparently all get better results than the PUA's who are/were mainstream. Changing times, maybe
/r/seduction08/06/25 04:48 PM
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some girls highly interested up front - easy many girls neutral, could be pulled - medium .some girls not remotely interested no matter what - impossible Thanks. I think I can certainly rule out the 3rd category as you say. I was a bit too believing of some posters here and of course of the coaches and writers etc who said that I can effectively get any girl if my game is good enough and I implement their teachings. That's starting to look more and more like pure fantasy, and more fool me! I'M s…
/r/seduction08/06/25 03:10 PM
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as the other guy suggested, it's likely just a matter of you needing to use it on the girls who want you as opposed to using the material to make them want you which doesn't seem to work.
/r/seduction08/06/25 02:57 PM
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I guess it's always been my hunch (based on what i've witnessed on nights out) but was willing to test the whole PUA stuff. I'll carry on testing a few other 'models' but i'm starting to wonder if it's way more about looks than game. Or at least, game doesn't help without her physical attraction. c'est la vie
/r/seduction08/06/25 12:44 PM
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you would have to limit your approaches and only approach in those cases that you are getting multiple indicators of interest from her prior to approaching.. If you're just approaching anyone without being selective, a make out rate of near 100% if she's single is completely unrealistic unless you're a sexy celebrity. maybe i've set my standards way too high based on what some posters here have told me and of course the people who write the b books etc themselves so youre saying looks definitely…
/r/seduction08/06/25 12:33 PM
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What kind of success are you expecting? getting at least a makeout on most sets assuming she's single where in the process do you typically get rejected? It's usually somewhere around reaching the 'hook point'. It's like the only girls that let me reach that point where they are asking me questions and are engaged etc are the girls who liked me before I opened. Most interactions, the girls choose not too engage Usually, but not always, if i'm at the hook point i'll get a makeout or a lay, but so…
/r/seduction08/06/25 10:42 AM
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What product? I think i've watched his main one. didn't really work for me (think I watched 'game transformation'?)
/r/seduction08/06/25 10:24 AM
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I felt like 3 months was a decent amount of time. I'm sure i'm doing it all exactly as taught. I'll just keep going I guess. But might have to accept that it's more a game of them picking you rather than you 'seducing' them. Will keep testing
/r/seduction08/06/25 10:20 AM
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'im an alpha male!!!
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:14 AM
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everyday on forums I read guys call themselves an 'alpha male'. Tbh, it makes me cringe super hard too lol. I tend to imagine the complete opposite of the person writing it!
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:14 AM
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i used to have a friend who was a bit of a natural. He used to cold approach girls before i'd even known it was a 'thing'. Way before the actual PUA movement. Pre youtube etc. He'd just approach hot girls on the bus. Anyway, whenever girls would look at him in bars and stuff, he used to always stick his tongue out at them lol. Kind of like a school kid would do to someone they didn't like! Not saying to do that, but it's what came to my head when I read this thread Dude is crazy though. Bit of a…
/r/seduction07/06/25 10:01 PM
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willing to educate themselves instead of patting themselves on the back for just blindly "gaining experience." This is maybe where I am. I've read all the books and I approach a lot, but I never know what, if anything, I did 'wrong'. It usually feels like I just wasn't her type when I fail (so nothing really to learn as such), and I was her type when I hook up with a girl.
/r/seduction07/06/25 09:57 PM
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i tend to find I hit the same stumbling blocks each time, no matter how much i socialise lol. I've been chatting to people everyday for 5 days per week all day since i got this job over a year ago What would have been a good reply to her statement?
/r/seduction07/06/25 07:48 PM
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i'm kinda crap at convo a lot of the time. I was at work last week and there's a new driver. Most of the drivers are hairy old men, but this girl is like 19 and looks like a model!! Stunning. I recognised her as a friend of my cousins from facebook, so used that to start the convo whilst she was loading the truck. Asked her name. Asked if she still see's my cousin and she mentioned that she's doesn't really speak to her anymore and that she fell in with the 'wrong crowd' and was a 'bit bad' so s…
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:33 PM
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Girls never make the first move, in bars, they very often make the first move. Sometimes very very overtly!
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:05 PM
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BUT you have to know how to recognize DTF women I think that's also an important point. The numbers can get all skewed because people are kind of talking about different things. LIke, I might have an amazing success rate, but i'm only going for girls who give me massive IOI's for example I saddens me to say, but I honestly don't think game has the power that people who sell courses and stuff want you to believe. I'm still in the testing phase of all kinds of 'methods' and have been for years, an…
/r/seduction06/06/25 01:54 PM
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because it's actually more like 2%? lol. that's still quite a significant inflation. Nobody is gonna believe really high numbers.
/r/seduction06/06/25 11:47 AM
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so south East Asia if you a white guy in the US! Fishing with dynamite!
/r/seduction06/06/25 09:42 AM
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best puas on earth claim 11% or 10% success rate and they will certainly be inflating them numbers for marketing reasons. So you can guess what their real success rate is
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:55 AM
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in the day time, yes. At night time in bars etc, if you are good looking, it can happen a hell of a lot
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:53 AM
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i've never had any luck with apps. I've had some luck with cold approach (in bars). It's not that i'm super bad at texting (at least I don't think I am) but I only ever got 1 match every 1-2 months lol. Deleted them all.
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:52 AM
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I would never go for a married woman. But younger girls are the prettiest so i'd go as low as i'm legally allowed in my country. Of course, unfortunately most of the time, they're just not interested lol.
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:50 AM
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It’s a fact that older women like more masculine looking guys while youngers like girly guys. exactly! I noticed this years and years ago If you want older women, I think getting big muscles and stuff is a great idea If you want the teenage ones and stuff, then you kind of need to look like a 'pretty' guy.
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:45 AM
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the obvious solution seems to be to get rid of the beard and grow your hair back? I'm guessing you just look older. Maybe a good chunk of your prior success was from teenagers and stuff, but now that you have a beard and maybe look a bit older (wrinkles?) plus you are big and muscly, then the really young ones just aren't attracted to you and you've lost a portion of your market? (as they consider you too old) - Do you roid? that can also age one pretty quick Lose the beard and grow the hair, th…
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:43 AM
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People used to always record their infields. I don't see the big deal, personally. Can't really give advice about the 'how', though. I guess you'd need some sort of 'spy camera' but i'm not sure if that alone gives you both audio and visual? And for how long? I'd kind of like to do it in a bar edit: Actually, I think I just decided i'm gonna buy one! I'm thinking a watch! audio is more important to me, but visual wouldn't be bad.
/r/seduction04/06/25 09:52 PM
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well, you can. It can just cost a lot $$$ https://imgur.com/a/e0wIBHT
/r/seduction03/06/25 11:06 PM
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yeah, I think it's a massive massive part of the game (unless you look like a young brad Pitt or something, and it's not even worth worrying about that) There's only so much knowing 'game' can help. I think we see it even on here with people who have clearly watched todd v's stuff and read MM etc, but their results all seem random. Pickup seems to be more about screening than skills from waht i've seen - and there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe just dont buy into the marketing hype too mcuh an…
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:46 PM
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what I meant to say was that they were getting makeouts and/or sex. Not just imagining it lol
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:08 PM
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I sometimes wonder if, even more so than funny and engaged, is actually being super happy!! (which is of course tough in itself! life can be rough!) I used to hear about people who took MDMA which of course gave them insane euphoria, and for some of them they said it was like the first time in their lives where girls really seemed into them. (i'm not just talking about equally high girls either lol)
/r/seduction03/06/25 07:44 AM
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I agree, but I like to think of it in terms of preference. I've slept with some girls who were way out of my league just because I happened to be her 'type', and despite the fact that I maybe got rejected by 6 girls before her that night who were nowhere near as pretty as her! But that doesn't refute your point and I agree. There's a kind of 'conventional' attractiveness that MOST girls are of course going to be into. And the same for guys. And so yeah, you have a much better chance as a '7' of …
/r/seduction02/06/25 04:57 PM
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I kind of co-sign the part of friends Being out with the 'right' people is super important with pickup and stuff. I've had some of the BEST experiences ever when I went travelling and made friends with these 2 guys who were SO SO SO much fun to be around and hit on girls with. I wish they were my actual friends but never saw them again since we live in different countries. They were just absolute balls of charisma. Rejection was fun/not a big deal at all. Cold approaching was normal and not a bi…
/r/seduction02/06/25 03:30 PM
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Not sure how you define 'plenty', but i've had a good handful of lays from cold approach. Always in bars. I don't think there's an especially 'effective' way to do it and I don't really think i've 'learned' much other than, it usually very easy IF you approach the right girl i.e - I've never known of anyone in real life (outside of like pickup coaches telling you what they've 'apparently' done and seen) who has a magic way to bypass his way too attraction and essentially hookup with whoever he w…
/r/seduction02/06/25 02:59 PM
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I don't know where you live but in the the UK you rarely see the walk of shame because cold approach, even in bars, is just so rare in my experience. It really is. I've had to do many many 'walks of shame'. It's all good. There's really not much anyone can say in terms of how to handle it. Grow thicker skin I guess. It's gonna happen unless you look like a young Brad Pitt lol. Pat yourself on the back for having some balls I don't think you need to engineer something to 'save face' likve having …
/r/seduction02/06/25 02:27 PM
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I don't understand the point of this post. What exactly are you trying to communicate? plus examples would havee been useful! lol
/r/seduction30/05/25 02:41 PM
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what's a good way to keep it intertesting? I've been watching a lt of infields recently and I feel they can all be summed up in the following example e.g (they are are all almost idential) Pua: hi. I know this is random but I had to stop you as you caught my eye (or just an observational opener) oh. Ok Pua: 'You look like you do seomthing very creative. I get that vibe from you her: Oh. I work in a cafe. Anyway, I have to go. Nice meeting you Pua - I have to go too soon (false time constraint) -…
/r/seduction30/05/25 02:40 PM
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I hear this sort of thing a lot. I do wonder how effective day game and stuff is since tinder came along, to be quite honest. Even on tinder you can be 'hot' enough that she'll swpe right, but then she'll either ignore the message, or even if you send a really good one she'll seem to like it and then unmatch soon after! haha i's like nowdays, a lot of girls will give their insta as a contact detail. And that's the goal of lots of pickup guys. Get her insta. But I always think, you already have t…
/r/seduction29/05/25 07:28 AM
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thanks for the detailed reply. "Approached a girl and opened with 'you're not fooling me. I can see those devil horns under your halo'" Does this feel congruent to you? Is this something you'd say? Absolutely not!, haha - but then neither does a lot of 'pua stuff'. I tend to cringe at quite a lot of lines that various PUA's (like Todd V etc) use, although I used too act and feel I can pull them off in a way they're supposed to be delivered even if I feel it won't work. (I can fake the confidence…
/r/seduction29/05/25 07:16 AM
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I always think of 'good' things to say (or that I could have said) about 10 mins after the interaction lol
/r/seduction25/05/25 10:16 PM
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I just don't think I embarrass easily haha. Also, I'm just doing what someone else (an expert) said to do, so I don't really feel it's 'on me' And I also feel like if the girl would have been into me, people would say it was very good game. I mean, if I was to translate various field reports into writing, I feel it always reads super cringey. It's cold approach - is what it is!! 🤣
/r/seduction25/05/25 04:17 PM
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lol 🤣
/r/seduction25/05/25 04:05 PM
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yes, obviously in extreme cases. LIke I wouldn't go up too a girl crying her eyes out and say 'you look like trouble!' haha!! But last nght all approaches were just on girls floating around the bar or the beer garden etc. I'm confident Pellicer would have opened the same in the situations I was in based on his teachings. But thanks. I think I might have found a forum since this post where FR's are more welcome
/r/seduction25/05/25 12:30 PM
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isn't the idea to change their mind? get the girls who aren't interested in you? as per users like: /u/weaselrobot /u/appmanga Read a few posts of theirs yesterday that made me want to try to turn it around I plan to keep trying a few more times at least until I decide it really is more about whether you just happen to be her type or not. I see mixed opinions on this topic although I guess most would agree with you. I'm just testing to see for myself or not
/r/seduction25/05/25 12:17 PM
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yes, i'm just testing his work to see if it holds up in practice or not
/r/seduction25/05/25 11:34 AM
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they're from the books. Also, they don't mention 'context' like the guy you're replying too says. Pellicer says that They're just some of his openers/transtions for ANY situation when you approach a pretty girl
/r/seduction25/05/25 11:33 AM
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bar. I had some friends with me
/r/seduction25/05/25 11:33 AM
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thanks
/r/seduction25/05/25 08:10 AM
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Learn to do it well how to do it well? what things do you say/ask when you meet a girl in a bar after saying 'hi'?
/r/seduction24/05/25 08:17 PM
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you're saying I done the right thing?
/r/seduction24/05/25 04:12 PM
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I also find the idea of 'cold reading' a bit gimmiky and silly like you're a fortune teller or something. Circus act. Bit 'cold reading' comes under the umbrella of 'attraction material' so in theory is makes her attracted and people say to use it to take a girl from unnattracted and a hard 'no', too a 'yes'! What do you do instead of that out of interest? Say after you open. What is your 'attraction material' and outer game techniques to make girls want you who maybe would never swipe right on …
/r/seduction23/05/25 03:33 PM
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I tried something very similar on facebook a few times and they said 'no thanks' when I tried to get them to meet up haha
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:42 PM
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shitty weather but at least your day just got a lot brighter having matched with the cutest guy in (your area)
/r/seduction23/05/25 08:32 AM
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'swag' doesn't cut it imo. I know lots of ppl with swag. It's the LEGIT bad boys who will jam a knife in your throat if you look at them wrong who are the ones who girls just can't seem to resist lol
/r/seduction23/05/25 08:22 AM
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So he'd be looking at me, I'd be looking at the girls, and the girls would be looking at him lol. lmao. Yeah, the friend I mentioned wasn't ridiculously shy and quiet like the 2nd guy you mentioned, but he certainly wasn't some charasmatic, socially dominant guy at all like your first example. He was probably slightly on the quiet side, to be quite honest although I wouldn't describe him as 'shy' either. But like your friend, it didn't matter at all. They all just wanted him because of his model…
/r/seduction22/05/25 05:45 PM
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d I'd have to the hard work of opening sets and jestermaxxing to get the convos going and build momentum, only for the girl I'd try to lock into a convo just blurt out "your friends hot!" lol. oh my God, i've had that so many times with one very good looking friend in particular. Absolute night killers! I actually have a few different variations of that story with that one friend that all really stung! One was when I cold approached this hot girl and was going surprisingly well! We were flirting…
/r/seduction21/05/25 11:35 PM
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Maybe if I was a millionaire and didn't have to worry about jobs but I still need to hustle out there and can't afford potentially lost opportunities. Seems fair. I don't know where you live but here in Europe that doesn't seem to be an issue (tats with work). They are just so common here and I have a lot of friends who have very 'high powered' well paid jobs who are kinda covered in tats. (in fact the fact that they're so common is actually one things that stops me from getting them in the hope…
/r/seduction21/05/25 09:49 PM
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Fiction/acting isn't good for this sort of thing.
/r/seduction21/05/25 05:36 PM
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I got some temporary tattoo stuff and used it. Only lasted for a day or two but I got tonnes of ioi's out on the street, girls would open me, ask me if I wanted to take their dog home with me, open doors, stare at me when their man was pushing their baby stroller lol ha. That's awesome and really interesting. I actually thought of doing that once as an experiment, too!! (getting a tonne of really realistic temporary tats that you can get nowadays. They look identical to real ones) - you beat me …
/r/seduction21/05/25 04:27 PM
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link?
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:36 PM
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Sure but honestly a “bad boy” doesn’t even genuinely exist in real life As I say, i'm more talking about people who are violent and often in trouble with the law. Such as the example(s) giving in my OP (violent thief, career criminal, prison inmates, the guy who threw his gorgeous girlfriend out of van leaving her paralysed and brain-dead was also a car thief and also robbed houses - they're the sort of people i'm talking about when I say 'bad boys'. Not really 'fictional' characters as such) ps…
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:29 PM
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yes, that aligns with my instincts and limited research. That in a true 'cold approach' setting, I don't think their 'badness' really seems to help them much. They play the same game as me (I also approach lots and lots of girls, get rejected nearly all the time, but also end up banging someone)
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:26 PM
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I'd never cold approach a girl trying to be a 'bad boy'. Mainly because I don't think it would work and as I said, I also don't even think that that's how a real 'bad boy' would even approach! I actually think they'd approach and be really friendly and nice. I think a true badboy (violent criminal often in prison etc) is actually trying to HIDE his bad boy nature when he approaches a girl from cold.
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:19 PM
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i'll check it out tbh, chatgpt gave me a fairly good reply. I decided to type my post in there and it gave me some decent replies. I think chatgpt might render reddit obsolete soon! lol
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:17 PM
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you make a good point about how it's maybe not all it's cracked up to be. In fact, one thing I realised when watching the documentary about the guy who ruined his girlfriends life, was that he seemed to be insecure and just unhappy in general. Like, despite his apparent success with banging stunning girls, I don't think i'd want to be him! It's like he couldn't really get pleasure from his success. I'd be walking around with a constant smile on my face!! Not him though. The messages the program …
/r/seduction21/05/25 01:15 PM
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that's how I tend to write my posts, tbh! (assuming I have the time to edit it and make it look nice)
/r/seduction21/05/25 12:21 PM
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I guess just be her type and make a move
/r/seduction11/05/25 11:02 AM
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I think there needs to be verbal flirting first? There's a girl at work that is always touching me! But I don't think she's 'into me'. Never ever flirted. She's married. She's not my type and I doubt i'm hers.
/r/seduction11/05/25 09:27 AM
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basically, the answer is 'no'. The best guys out there are obviously the professionals who we are all aware of. Tyler RSD etc etc However, if you watch their infields, you see that it's nothing special. Nothing magical. they get rejected by hot young girls again and again. Of course they sometimes bang girls out of their league but that's through sheer 'numbers game'. There isn't some 4/10 guy who's always banging young hot 10's in existance unless he is famous or something. I promise you
/r/seduction24/04/25 12:50 PM
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i think the 'game' part if kind of irrelevant. If you are fat, you will be able to 'game' girls who are attracted to fat guys (or aren't put off by them. They are out there, tbh. I know a few fat guys who done pretty good in my social circle) But if you lost weight and got ripped, the number of girls who would be open to being 'gamed' by you would increase.
/r/seduction16/04/25 05:02 PM
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yeah, you still need to get the balls to approach, but in terms of attraction (which is basically everything), looking good (hitting the gym being one aspect) is a million times more powerful than 'game'. Game without attraction = 'nice to meet you!'
/r/seduction13/04/25 04:42 PM
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'BTW a plus point for James for admitting that looks do matter' it's crazy to me that this was ever even a debate. Anyone who has very good looking friends has surely seen how different it is for them guys! One thing I will say is this - and it took me so long to realise. Whilst you certainly do see guys who are batting way out of their league, what I noticed after many many years of careful observation, is that them guys kind of played the 'long game'. These girls are girls they saw every day o…
/r/seduction11/04/25 10:20 AM
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