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| 8 | He had me in his bed and started bragging about past conquests..Men can be surprisingly honest about themselves when they're not concerned about impressing a girl. | /r/seduction | 25/02/26 11:00 PM |
| 1 | The Friendzone TrapI once had a girl try to stick me in the friend zone while I was trying to make something happen with her, sitting on her bed, at her place, after the first date. Now, she was doing it because she didn't want to seem easy and wanted to slow things down, but she picked the worst possible way to go about it because I took her at her word and calmly called it a night. She followed me out into the hall trying to change my mind, but by that point I was tired and just wanted to get some sleep. Point b… | /r/seduction | 04/02/26 11:35 PM |
| 2 | The Friendzone TrapIt definitely does happen. You're thinking about it like a guy. Think of it instead like this - if a girl is giving you everything you want sexually and isn't pushing too hard for commitment, how likely are you to give it to her when having your cake and eating it too is an option? Friendzone happens when guys emotionally over-invest in a woman and fail to maintain sexual chemistry. Often it happens because she's hung up on another guy and you're her backup or second priority. The key variables … | /r/seduction | 04/02/26 05:23 PM |
| 4 | On the spectrum, what's worst: Too timid/shy or too egotistical?Both are bad in different ways. What women really screen for is initiative, assertiveness, emotional composure, and authenticity. | /r/seduction | 01/02/26 05:45 AM |
| 8 | What are flirty signs guys miss?Here's the truth. When guys ignore signs and signals, it's generally for one of three reasons, which are easy to tell apart. Novelty/Inexperience. He's not used to a girl crushing on him, so he second guesses everything and is slow to respond and slow to react because he doesn't know what it means or what the move is. The way to correct for this is slow and patient attention and a bit of gentle coaxing to take action. Once he gets some idea of your intentions and expectations, this gets smoothed… | /r/seduction | 20/12/25 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Girls take a day to respond.The important thing is to understand that it happens either because you never had a chance and she's just social gaming you, or she sensed a lack of direction and started selling you short. Your early text history will tell you which. Another useful MM heuristic is - receptive, unreceptive and neutral. Your goal should be to suss out which one she is as quickly as possible to avoid wasting time, while also not leading with your chin by trying to push her too far. | /r/seduction | 05/11/25 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Girls take a day to respond.Think of it like a hand of poker. She's advertising a low interest level, which translated to poker is the equivalent of checking or min-betting. Either her interest level really is that low, or she's slow playing to see if she can get leverage and therefore potential profit if she can see the turn. Your choices are to either match her slow-play or bet big and chase her out of the pot. Matching the slow play doesn't serve your interests as she likely will only invest more if she sees an opportun… | /r/seduction | 05/11/25 05:15 PM |
| 20 | Why Do Women Put “Looking For Friends Only” on Dating Apps?This. | /r/seduction | 28/10/25 05:33 PM |
| 13 | Someone with good texting game. How do you do that ?Text game is all about tempo. Women love it because it allows them to flirt from a position of safety and ambiguity, where they can take their time responding. Because of this, almost every man is at a disadvantage over text, which is why the traditional advice is to get away from texting as fast as possible and use it for logistics only. Otherwise you run the risk of over-pursuing, losing your read on her and either spilling your guts, getting try hard, both, or saying something dumb that gets … | /r/seduction | 23/10/25 12:02 AM |
| 2 | (Evil) Deep Conversion GuideSure maybe there's a couple nuggets, but your goalpost is all wrong. That's the problem. | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 06:36 PM |
| 1 | (Evil) Deep Conversion GuideI don't need to moralize to say what you're suggesting is a bad idea. Argument to pragmatism - bunny boilers are a bad time. Argument to common sense - seducing women by damaging their self-esteem just breeds dependence and obsession, assuming you're successful- are you sure you want that? Don't piss in the dating pool - once again, just common sense. Those girls you mistreat will be another brick in some other guy's wall. Argument to screening - using tactics that only work on low self esteem w… | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 06:34 PM |
| 2 | (Evil) Deep Conversion GuideLmao. Clearly you've never seen how female obsession can go bad for you. Trust me, you do not want this. | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 06:30 PM |
| 7 | Confidence Isn’t what you think it is.Confidence is pursuing an outcome honestly and sincerely while being detached from said outcome. Nothing more, nothing less. | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 05:48 PM |
| 5 | (Evil) Deep Conversion GuideNot the way you're presenting it. | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 05:47 PM |
| 8 | (Evil) Deep Conversion GuideGetting this level of compliance out of a woman is more dependent on the woman than on the man or what he says or does. And tbh, that level of compliance is not healthy and doesn't reflect healthy feminine behavior. That's the kind of thing you want out of a woman if you have complete contempt for her and want her to be in OP's words, "emotionally enslaved". I ain't interested in that, and I think any man who actually understands women would say the same. Only a fool idolizes pimp game. Unless y… | /r/seduction | 19/10/25 05:29 PM |
| 1 | Talking and making normal friends with girls, does it help?I'll describe it like this. Having female friends is good. It will reduce any sense of alienation you might feel with women, get more comfortable with them, and get better insight into the female mind. What it will not do as a general rule is help you get laid, with one notable exception that I'll cover later on. Let's talk about some of the things you need watch out for: Putting yourself in the friend zone. - You want to know how guys get in the friend zone? When a girl knows that a guy is into… | /r/seduction | 07/10/25 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Why some men are "romantically invisible" to women?I would make three points on this topic. First, if your benchmark of success is having women openly and blatantly make eyes at you or give you attention without having to lift a finger, you're chasing the wrong goal. First, some women never do this, some women do this all the time. Second, the kind of men who tend to get this are men who are striking in terms of superficial appearance, and it's not always a straight looks/money/status thing. It's having a polarizing (in a romantic sense) appeara… | /r/seduction | 09/09/25 12:30 PM |
| 127 | Simple basics: 4 common characteristics of guys who do well with womenYeah as a general rule if you have these four things, you won't hurt for female attention. They aren't the last word, but if you have issues in one of these four, you're holding yourself back. | /r/seduction | 28/07/25 10:50 PM |
| 6 | Most Guys Have the Product. What They Lack Is the Pitch.Here's the riddle. OP is really pointing out the difference between outer game and inner game. And it's a valid point to make. Amazing products go unsold or fail in the market because they're badly marketed. Here's the riddle. There is a third piece that integrates and relies upon both inner and outer game and that's attitude. It's the piece that knits the two together. And it's why you see guys with big gaps in either their inner or outer game or both succeed. And it's the hardest thing to teac… | /r/seduction | 19/07/25 07:12 PM |
| 4 | How does the 'bad boy' thing work in practice?The best way I can describe it is like this: One of the biggest blind spots women have with men is mistaking indifference for authenticity. That's what the bad boy mystique is really about. Women are desperate for attractive guys who don't kiss their ass and make them chase at a psychological level. The root cause of this is likely a lack of confidence in themselves and their ability to assess a man's character but ours is not to reason why. Where this boggles the minds of men is that when a wom… | /r/seduction | 21/05/25 02:39 PM |
| 56 | Congratulations, You've Been AMOGed...Everyone's dumping on OP and I don't get why. This is solid advice for dealing with dudes trying to flex on you, and it will happen. The more successful you are, the more often it will happen. And the big mistake most guys make is they get rattled. | /r/seduction | 14/05/25 06:20 PM |
| 3 | 4 hard truths you need to accept when it comes to datingWhat you're describing is at best education and at worst trivia, rather than intelligence. True smarts don't sing and dance. | /r/seduction | 07/05/25 04:24 PM |
| 103 | 4 hard truths you need to accept when it comes to datingTo me this is overstating a valid point. Looks obviously matter, but up to a point. To me, the key point is to make the most of what you've got, and to remember that style, fashion, grooming, hygiene - all the little details matter. Another important thing to remember is that the main reason why looks matter for men is because one of women's primary criteria is whether or not you're a guy that will make her girlfriends jealous. Sex also obviously matters, but this is primarily a matter of emotio… | /r/seduction | 07/05/25 04:23 PM |
| 2 | She Kissed Me During Ramadan Then Said ‘I Need Space’ – Did I Misread Her?One big blind spot for most men is that we can have sex with a girl under almost any circumstances provided the attraction is there. She could be a friend's ex/crush. We could hate her guts. It could be in a back alley or a club bathroom, but provided the willingness is there, we'd hit that. Women are different. For women, it actually makes a huge difference whether a potential sexual encounter is something which is ego-syntonic (where the ego gives her "permission") or ego-dystonic (where the e… | /r/seduction | 25/03/25 09:11 PM |
| 6 | Make sure she is walking on the inside of the sidewalk, not close to the road.There are loads of ways to work in incidental touch under the guise of being chivalrous. Trick is to not be obvious or pushy about it. Women like chivalry, they just don't like feeling controlled or imposed upon. That's why the secret is to keep it light, informal, and a gift, rather than an obligation - for either of you. | /r/seduction | 24/03/25 07:14 PM |
| 1 | How do I give off the vibe of a guy that's good for a fun time but not boyfriend material?So you want to sleep with girls without them getting emotionally attached? To some extent, this risk is impossible to hedge. When people hook up, there's always a non-zero chance of either person catching feels before, during, or after. Now that being said, there are some things you can do: Be emotionally closed off. Be more stoic, strong-silent, and only show vulnerability when it comes to flirting and sexual desire at the appropriate moments. The more emotionally open you are, the easier it is… | /r/seduction | 22/03/25 02:38 PM |
| 0 | Does bodybuilding really increase my chances twentyfold?I would say you start hitting diminishing returns once you get below 20% BF and have some muscle definition. What women really look for is how well you wear what you've got. Of course they'll take a 6 pack over a beer belly. Beyond that, you want good cardio, some upper body mass, and the V-shaped torso. | /r/seduction | 20/03/25 03:27 PM |
| 42 | The Best (Maybe Only) Way To Have An Abundance Of GirlsLifestyle is one of Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals but it's the one that determines the "quality" of girls you have a chance with. According to him, the fundamental that influences the sheer quantity is your willingness to take action. That's how starving artists who crash on their friend's couch get laid. | /r/seduction | 02/03/25 08:10 PM |
| 1 | How Nice Guys can be more mysteriousPick your moments. Don't chatter for the sake of filling dead air. | /r/seduction | 02/03/25 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Why You Never Need "Context" to Talk to a WomanThis is a very fair point. Even if you have an "excuse" to talk to her, girls ain't stupid. If you're a random guy coming up to talk to her, the possibility that your intent is to hit on her will have crossed her mind (unless she has low sexual self esteem). So rather than try to hide your intent or preemptively justify it or explain it, just own it. Most women find being hit on to be a flattering experience unless she's having a bad day or the guy goes after her ego or makes her feel unsafe. Ju… | /r/seduction | 01/03/25 07:13 PM |
| 1 | The Power of Vulnerability – How to Get Women to Open Up to YouWell, it's repackaged Mark Manson, but it's still true. In fact I would argue that any seduction without emotional connection is by definition an example of fool's mate. 9 times out of 10 this happens because the girl has already decided she just wants to get laid and you're the right guy at the right place/right time. So given that, we can safely establish that a large part, if not almost the entirety of seduction is building an emotional connection, especially in the case of men seducing women… | /r/seduction | 01/03/25 06:38 PM |
| 7 | Fundamentals: The simple, crucial basicsThese are all good counterpoints: Never chase. Actually many women like men who chase. The issue is chasing too hard and being too needy. It all really comes to down her investment level and if she's the type that likes to choose, or be chosen. The former responds to indirect game, the latter to direct game. Always escalate and be polarizing. Be careful with that at work or social circle. Also some girls want you to take things slow. The secret here is state control. You need to be able to slip … | /r/seduction | 27/02/25 01:43 AM |
| 62 | Fundamentals: The simple, crucial basicsResist the urge to chatter and fill silence. The more she's talking, expressing herself, and defining/qualifying herself, the more invested she gets. | /r/seduction | 26/02/25 02:58 PM |
| 4 | Which option should I chose to get maximum results with girlsThis. | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 08:39 PM |
| 1 | WHY ARE PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF MANIPULATION?To me, the difference between them is the amount of emotional pressure being brought to bear and any deception or duplicity being brought to bear. Ultimately to me manipulation is an attempt to force what good persuasion does naturally. And will agree that the line between persuasion and manipulation can get blurry. Which is why I say, when in doubt, check your intentions. Is it to guide them towards a choice, pressure them to make the choice you want, or take the choice away entirely? There has… | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 07:33 AM |
| 5 | WHY ARE PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF MANIPULATION?I think OP is conflating persuasion and manipulation. What's the difference? Persuasion is trying to sell someone on something that you genuinely believe in, like the truth or what you think is in their best interest. Manipulation is when you don't care what the truth is or what's good for them and getting what you want is what matters. Coercion is when you take the choice away entirely. Persuasion is fine. Manipulation is ethically gray at best, and often a great deal worse. And coercion is the… | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do I feel like I need to be an A**hole to get girls?Wrong. It's not that those things don't matter, it's just the wrong thing to aim at. The essence of masculinity is psychological self-sufficiency. It's wanting the company of someone from a place of want rather than need. And it's what women pick up on because the thing they crave most in a man is authenticity - a vibe which is literally impossible to give off when you are seeking someone's approval. That's why women dig assholes over chumps - because an asshole may be an asshole, but women doub… | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do I feel like I need to be an A**hole to get girls?/thread right here. This should be top comment. | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 01:40 AM |
| 5 | How Nice Guys can be more mysteriousTo me the whole issue around the "Nice Guy" misses the point - especially as a lesson for men. Nice Guys are not unattractive because they're nice. Not all Nice Guys are manipulative incels, in fact most of them aren't or grow out of it fairly quickly. The problem with Nice Guys is that they crave approval too much, even if its just at an unconscious level. They're the "Pick Me" guys. And then people wonder why women turn up their noses at them. Why wouldn't they? You can't respect someone who v… | /r/seduction | 25/02/25 01:25 AM |
| 1 | How Nice Guys can be more mysteriousThat's why I think it's important to distinguish between being courteous and kind, versus being approval-seeking and overly empathetic. A strong guy can be kind and empathetic, but only when she's seeking it, rather than it being pre-emptively offered. | /r/seduction | 24/02/25 07:50 PM |
| 14 | How Nice Guys can be more mysteriousMy issue with golden retriever energy is that puts all the agency in her hands. You become her pet. A man doesn't need to be James Bond to find a girlfriend, but my concern with golden retriever energy is you'll never get beyond puppy love. | /r/seduction | 24/02/25 06:43 PM |
| 171 | How Nice Guys can be more mysteriousThis. The single best way to mitigate Nice Guy habits is to STFU or at least speak less. | /r/seduction | 24/02/25 03:04 PM |
| 0 | What does it mean "I like you a lot but I can't sleep with you"If she's rounding bases with the OP but slamming the brakes on sex, it's not a friend zone situation. But it's similar. There's another guy she's more into, who's just not that into her. So she's setting up OP as her backup plan. | /r/seduction | 20/02/25 12:56 AM |
| 2 | Is it possible to pull a Model Tier Girl as an Average Man?Your average man's ability to pull any given girl is dependent on 3 factors. How "in her league" he is. This is not a hard blocker, but it determines how receptive she'll be off the hop. If you're at or above her ball park in terms of lifestyle, she's a lot more likely to be receptive. And even if you aren't, differences create potential for chemistry, but they also increase the risk of friction. This is why being able to suss out her values and worldview can make a big difference, because those… | /r/seduction | 16/02/25 06:29 PM |
| 1 | My ex came back, we had sex, but she says she’ll never want more/thread. | /r/seduction | 16/02/25 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Should you call a woman you met at the bar a few days later?There's only two considerations in my mind when deciding how/when to text a girl: What am I trying to accomplish? Ideally it should be organizing a date/meetup. What's her buying temperature like? If it's high, I want to strike while the iron is hot and as soon as appropriate (if you met her last night, the next day, just not crazy early). If it's medium, I want to keep the momentum up without going hard sell. I'd text her later the next day. If it's low, I'd either not text, do a pro forma foll… | /r/seduction | 04/02/25 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Are guys that work in porn good at pick up/game?If you think banging women who are paid to bang you will bring confidence, go drop a couple thou on hookers, then report back. Might as well light your money on fire. | /r/seduction | 04/02/25 02:50 AM |
| 8 | Why Most Men Marry the Wrong PersonThis is why I have a multi-stage screening process: Step 1: Do they turn me on? Step 2: Is the chemistry good enough that I want to sleep with them more than once? Step 3: Do I like them enough as a person that I'd hang with them? Step 4: Do I like them enough to start seriously investing? Step 5: Are we compatible long term? Are we aligned on values, beliefs, goals, hopes and fears? Step 6: Do I believe in "us" enough to go all-in? | /r/seduction | 02/02/25 11:29 PM |
| 0 | What’s the Point of Success If You’re Afraid of Women?Taking action is the one essential ingredient of getting laid. If you don't approach, if you don't flirt, if you don't go for the digits etc. Nothing else will help. And the more you do this, the sooner you'll find success. Improving your lifestyle boosts your self-esteem and keeps you out of the "ones you want, you can't get" trap. And you don't need to go be Tony Stark, just be the kind of person you want to date. And then working on game? That just boosts your batting average. Another trick i… | /r/seduction | 31/01/25 02:23 PM |
| 13 | Realisation that girls actually want me to approach them most of the time.You're thinking too much. Thinking makes you slow and hesitant. No mind. | /r/seduction | 31/01/25 03:15 AM |
| 2 | This is what happens when you speak from a privileged positionI didn't say it would be easy, but I can't say before the fact how much work is required and how long. It's specific to the person. Stop making excuses/whining and get busy living your best life. Start small with goals so easy that there's no good reason you can't do it and build from there. It honestly sounds like you want a personal life/dating coach in the form of a Reddit post. Life don't work that way. | /r/seduction | 30/01/25 07:54 PM |
| 1 | This is what happens when you speak from a privileged positionMark Manson already did. Why are you continuing to beat on a strawman which most charitably could only be attributed to spoiled mama's boys? | /r/seduction | 30/01/25 07:41 PM |
| 0 | This is what happens when you speak from a privileged positionDepends what you want in terms of simple. What I gave you is about as simple as it gets. Do you want me to lie to you? | /r/seduction | 30/01/25 07:31 PM |
| 5 | This is what happens when you speak from a privileged positionThis strikes me as a bit of a strawman. So let's talk truth. The truth is that picking up girls is not hard provided you have the three fundamentals down. I've personally experienced what this is like from both sides. When you have the three fundamentals down, results is just a matter of putting in the reps. And the better a job you do of that, the fewer reps you need. When you have issues with one of them, you feel like you're spinning your wheels or every situation you find seems to go bad on … | /r/seduction | 30/01/25 07:19 PM |
| 18 | Do you have experiences seducing "good girls"?There's no such thing really as a "good girl". Just girls who try to appear that way as a way of managing their relationships with guys. Even the "good girls" want to be seduced and turned on by attractive men, they just place a higher premium on maintaining control and not being seen as or feeling easy. The secret to these girls however is that because they repress their sexuality and other strong emotions, they live in their heads and have powerful fantasies. So leverage that by being stoic, b… | /r/seduction | 30/01/25 06:06 PM |
| 3 | Confused by a Girl's Hot and Cold Behavior: Need Advice on How to Approach Her and Keep Her EngagedI think you're getting a little insecure. I should have read the OP closer as this girl has given you some clear signs of interest. Some girls just aren't big texters. It does sound like she's trying to avoid letting things move too fast + trying to manage expectations/your interest level. So my advice is avoid overtexting and focus on meeting her in person. Then when you do meet up with her, focus on teasing her in the flirtatious and confident manner to spike attraction and sexual tension and … | /r/seduction | 27/01/25 08:26 PM |
| 5 | Confused by a Girl's Hot and Cold Behavior: Need Advice on How to Approach Her and Keep Her EngagedIn my experience, when you get hot and cold behavior from a woman, the root causes basically break down into two camps: She was never that into you and is just milking you for attention. The dead giveaways for this are 1) She has a boyfriend or withholds her relationship status. 2) when she's hot, she's hot, and when she's cold, she's ice cold. 3) she sidesteps or resists your attempts to escalate or take things further while simultaneously trying to avoid rejecting you outright. She was into yo… | /r/seduction | 27/01/25 08:03 PM |
| 15 | Ladies - Think Like A ManThis is actually quality advice for women. Basically stop expecting everything to just fall into place and for guys to fall all over themselves just for the faint possibility of sex. It's amazing what can happen when a girl just strategically takes initiative and actually tries to build a relationship with a guy, rather than playing silly sexual brinksmanship games that only wind up screening for fuckboys who just ain't that into ya. | /r/seduction | 15/01/25 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.Ehh, that strategy might work for you, but I find it too passive for me. It can work, but it means you pretty much are locked in the role of being the bright shiny male object just out of reach for lonely girls with low self esteem. I've had girls develop crushes and chase me too, but I don't find the results terribly satisfying as you often wind up with a needy girl where it's difficult to manage expectations. But if that's your strategy and it works for you, then why are you looking for advice… | /r/seduction | 04/01/25 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.You're pretty clearly missing the point in a way that does not seem unintentional. | /r/seduction | 04/01/25 07:44 AM |
| 3 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.Also, for me it isn't about withholding my approval (women already know you like them) so much as it is about respecting their space and their comfort zone. Women constantly meet guys who won't leave them alone. Actually, women are not the best at telling how into them a guy is, unless the guy is making himself an open book. In most guy's experiences, letting a woman know how into you are is placing yourself at her mercy, so you better hope she's just as into you, at the exact time. Women don't … | /r/seduction | 04/01/25 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.The Beauty and the Beast feminine monomyth. This is why it's important not for guys to be easy - it kills the chemistry for her. Ironically, women think this is what screws them up with guys, when in reality, it's their lack of game that holds them back. A woman really could screw a guy fast or not, that's not the difference-maker. Either the pathway to a relationship is still open, or it never was. What really determines whether a guy sticks around is how good a job she does maintaining sexual … | /r/seduction | 03/01/25 11:51 PM |
| 9 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.Hard disagree. Women are attracted to how a man makes them feel, and both men and women back-rationalize this to something more superficial like looks/money/status. Because the truth is those things are like dick size - if people say it's irrelevant, they're lying. If they say it's superimportant, they're either externalizing some fucked up fetish or trolling. And truth be told, the same thing is true of men when it comes to women. Most men chase physically attractive, high status women because … | /r/seduction | 03/01/25 11:46 PM |
| 48 | Nice guys, bad boys, and good men.Women like nice guys because they're safe and generous. Women like bad boys because they're sexually and emotionally stimulating. Women like good men because they represent the direction a woman wants to grow towards. Optimizing for being a good man will yield the best results personally and romantically, but it means having to risk being overlooked or having to do a lot of sifting. Optimizing for being a bad boy will get you sexual results and options, but it has a low ceiling and takes a lot o… | /r/seduction | 03/01/25 11:41 PM |
| 6 | Do women get turned off if you tell them you really like them?Here's my thoughts/experiences with this. How women respond to male vulnerability largely depends on their self-esteem and investment level, which is why you can see some really extreme love/hate reactions to it. If she has high self-esteem and is super-invested in you, you saying you want something official would be music to her ears. She's hoping and waiting to hear such things and will often be dropping hints or trying to have "the talk". If she has low self-esteem and isn't very invested, he… | /r/seduction | 03/01/25 06:38 PM |
| 87 | Should I accept girls as friends?My advice is make connections, but don't over invest and don't simp. A wide social circle can only help you in game, and so long as you pay close attention to how much time and effort a girl is demanding before she does anything for you, you can spot the girls who are looking for orbiters fairly easily. | /r/seduction | 27/12/24 12:01 PM |
| 2 | Trynna talk to this girl from uni, should I just take the L and move on?The answer to the riddle you're trying to overcome is this - yes if you approach her randomly and chat her up, sooner or later she's going to assume you're hitting on her. And so what? Girls aren't stupid. By the time they get to college, they have a pretty good understanding of what's likely on a guy's mind when he approaches. The secret is that girls don't mind a guy having a sexual intent, so long as he's not blindingly obvious, crude, or thirsty. She has to be in the same mindspace before th… | /r/seduction | 24/12/24 04:03 PM |
| 1 | 3 flirting principles that consistently get me laid on datesThis is all solid advice. Flirting is really that simple when you get down to it, as is escalation - all you need to do is follow common sense principles and act like you've done it all before. And the beauty of it is, because you start slow and ramp up, you don't have to fake some massive front, you just have to act like your time and attention has value. And you find once you stop giving it away, that girls treat it like it has value too. It's ironic really, once a guy learns that he can talk … | /r/seduction | 13/12/24 01:01 AM |
| 4 | How to get out of the friendzone?You're more valuable to her as a friend than as a boyfriend she might have to eventually move on from. Accept that your window to make an impression on her as a potential sexual option closed a long time ago, and the only way that might change is if you move on and get over her completely. | /r/seduction | 11/12/24 10:52 PM |
| 70 | What's the quickest time youve gotten a woman into the bedroom?Yes but the point is that in those circumstances, you're playing the game on easy mode. | /r/seduction | 04/11/24 06:13 PM |
| 9 | So how the dynamics change after sex in a relationship?The big change that I notice is that she's far more unguarded around you. Before you sleep with a woman, especially if the sexual tension is well established, her shields will be up, not because she doesn't trust you per se, but because she wants to maintain plausible deniability and with that, some control and some leverage over the sexual tension. The reason why women view sex as sort of a Rubicon with guys is because they fear the loss of leverage that comes with it. It's a bit like a guy con… | /r/seduction | 04/11/24 06:13 PM |
| 488 | What's the quickest time youve gotten a woman into the bedroom?My personal best is about a half hour from first meet to clothes coming off. No apps. But that's nothing special - it's called fool's mate. And the reason why it's called that is because it's what happens when you meet a girl who already wants to get laid and just looking for an acceptable dude. Meet enough women often enough and sooner or later you'll find one. But you can't plan on it because it's completely outside of your control, even at places like clubs, resorts, or fraternity parties whe… | /r/seduction | 04/11/24 05:33 PM |
| 1 | The meaning of “no spark”?There can be multiple root causes to this, so I think I'll approach this from most likely to least likely. You telegraphed too much approval. The reason why this is so fatal for guys nowadays is that women are more status conscious than ever, because of the heightened intra-sexual competition amongst women. So if you kiss her ass or act like she's super awesome..... Men today have to be a little stoic with women, especially at first, as she'll view it as too good to be true, and assume there's s… | /r/seduction | 20/10/24 07:16 PM |
| 4 | I feel bad for these young girls, confession.If your conscience is getting to you then don't sleep with them and date someone more on your level. Don't see what the dilemma is here. | /r/seduction | 15/10/24 06:15 AM |
| 5 | When did women gain so much leverage?By the time most guys get to college, the damage is already done and they're not really interested in learning for learning's sake anymore. Their real goal academically is to graduate with the least amount of effort, and for many of them, even graduating isn't a must-have. There has been no shortage of research done which clearly shows that boys and girls have different learning styles and different things they respond to, and the differences are more pronounced when they're younger. But because… | /r/seduction | 14/10/24 08:08 PM |
| 36 | When did women gain so much leverage?The twin safety nets of birth control and abortion removed most but not all the disincentives and risks of pursuing short term mating strategies for both genders. Men don't have to go full sociopath to pursue casual sex and women don't have to worry anywhere near as much about unplanned pregnancies. Modern divorce laws and child support removed most of the risk for a woman of a sub-optimal long term relationship choice. Declining opportunity for men, an education system increasingly hostile to t… | /r/seduction | 13/10/24 08:26 PM |
| 3 | Girls that give you mixed signals9 times out of 10, the juice isn't worth the squeeze playing the long game, especially as it usually takes a pretty dramatic turnaround to increase a girl's attraction meaningfully after she's already made a decision about a guy. One girl I knew did that, but only after I had a girl significantly hotter than her flirting with me in front of her. As noted above and by you, a guy's game has got to be reasonably good to make this turnaround happen. OP sounds green AF. He's better off going direct f… | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Success in getting with a specific personOP is either a bot or he has oneitis - 500 Days of Summer style. He needs to nut up and take the initiative, or get over her and work on himself. Or both. Anything else is pain. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Girls that give you mixed signalsDisagree about the other comments being wrong. Your main point is correct that a girl's interest is more dimmer switch and less on/off, but the other comments are right that OP's problem is not being direct enough and that she is very likely playing games. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 09:55 PM |
| 2 | Girls that give you mixed signalsYes, if her behavior towards you dramatically changes when she has an audience, and her friends are sending girl code signals to eachother about some inside joke you're not looped in on, your red flag sensors should be going off like airhorns, especially when her decisions towards you signal a lack of interest. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Girls that give you mixed signalsNot if its going to result in him getting strung along by some ho who's just not that into him. Not all experience is created equal and while it's important to learn from scenarios where things do not go according to plan, that's no justification for inviting a long drawn out and painful situation upon oneself. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Girls that give you mixed signalsWhen a girl is clearly playing games, my go-to is immediately ration my shits to give and make her come correct. Girls typically have one of two responses to that - they either cut the crap and change their tune, or they don't bother anymore which is the dead giveaway that all they were interested in was a free lunch. Continuing to give girls attention when it's clear they're playing games is rewarding/reinforcing bad behavior. It's possible to turn it around if you sniff it out early and play r… | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 06:02 PM |
| 4 | Girls that give you mixed signalsIf you're really not sure after all this - polarize to attract. Don't go hog wild, just flirt with her and see if she takes the bait. If my read is correct, she'll likely redirect or leave you hanging. And if she does take the bait, get a flirty romantic vibe going and ask her out like you've got a pair. It is absolutely crucial for a man to take the lead and get her to make decisions - otherwise you leave yourself open to being strung along with maybes. This stuff isn't really that complicated … | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Girls that give you mixed signalsThis is not bad advice but it is misapplied. This is what I would recommend to some experience who is less at risk of developing oneitis and with a girl who had given off fewer clear signals of disinterest. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Girls that give you mixed signalsOkay then let's do a comprehension check - what would you say her interest level in you really is? Bear in mind, you have more knowledge of her than we do, so what I want to see is how you apply the concepts I laid out. | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 04:13 PM |
| 2 | Girls that give you mixed signalsOkay so the reason why I say a woman's decisions are the best cue to her feelings is because they very rarely mislead and they often reveal how invested the girl is in a guy - and that's what is really important. Girls are attracted to guys all the time that they have no intention of sleeping with (and will act attracted too, only to shut you down when push comes to shove), they'll fake being attracted to a guy for any number of reasons, or play things super cool when in reality they're nursing … | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 04:08 PM |
| 3 | Girls that give you mixed signals"The secret to being a successful Hollywood actress is to project the vibe that everyone you work with has a chance of sleeping with you" -- Sasha Bingham, Californication Season 4 This is an exaggerated description of a tactic many women use socially that often trips men up. Women often describe this as "I'm nice to guys and they fall in love with me". The point being, this girl is clearly unreceptive, but feigning neutrality so she keeps her social options open and/or to maintain friendly rela… | /r/seduction | 10/10/24 03:48 PM |
| 6 | Are girls turned on when they see you with other girls?It depends on the girl and the context. If she's status conscious/competitive and just wants to hook up, it will definitely work in your favor. You become a status symbol to her and she'll definitely look to claim you as a prize the way some girls brag about hooking up with celebs. If she's not and is looking for a relationship, she'll view you as a poor prospect for commitment as she'll picture having to constantly fend off other women and worrying over whether or not you're playing her. And ev… | /r/seduction | 24/09/24 04:53 PM |
| 3 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateThe problem with your question is that presupposes that a woman's opinion of her own personal boundaries is absolute, or self justifying. What if she feels perfectly entitled to paw at you, but freaks out if you reciprocate at all? What if she sends all kinds of mixed messages and shuts you down when you try to escalate, and act neglected when you don't? What if she gets off on blue-balling you as some kind of sadistic power trip you never agreed to? Which is why I said originally, the solution … | /r/seduction | 03/07/24 04:59 AM |
| 2 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateYour first statement kinda tips your hand with the following question. Very obvious gotcha attempt. Having unreasonable or entitled expectations is a human problem. No one is immune. This why what seduction really is, is unspoken negotiation. For most men, it's a second language. And what makes matters worse is people often don't signal clearly or correctly, or worse, lie. Crossed signals are an inevitability, which is why there ought to be a clear demarcation between being awkward and crossing … | /r/seduction | 03/07/24 04:28 AM |
| 4 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateOkay, so this is how it's gonna go. Im gonna try and be brief. If you want to be pedantic sure. A woman could decide that someone looking at her the wrong way violates her boundaries, or the fact that it's raining is traumatizing. This is why standards of behavior have to be a little more objective than whatever a person's subjective impression is, otherwise everything becomes a war crime and you hand power to that person that will inevitably be abused. Yes OP should avoid kissing people who do … | /r/seduction | 03/07/24 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateUnfortunately, women don't care whether you think it's douchey or not. They only care about whether their boundaries are violated, unspoken or not. Regardless of where he met her, how nice or respectful he was during the date, if he made a move she didn't agree with... she's gonna be uncomfortable with it and may even see you as being a predator. Yes that's all well and good in the abstract, but we're talking about a specific example in this thread. Furthermore, just because a woman has an opini… | /r/seduction | 02/07/24 10:43 PM |
| 20 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateI find comments like this one and the one above it incredibly douchey. First it mischaracterizes the situation and context, and makes it sound like OP SA'd the girl when in reality, going in for a kiss on the cheek at the end of a date is about as tame as you can get without totally sitting on your hands. You guys make it sound like he tried to grope her while chatting her up in the canned goods aisle of the supermarket. Second, boundaries which are unspoken, not obvious/reasonable, and not enfo… | /r/seduction | 02/07/24 09:56 PM |
| 8 | Girl shaking at first kiss, rainchecks second dateThis smells like a classic overgaming situation. She left OP lots of space within the interaction and he went charging in, when he might have been further ahead playing it cool and let her wonder if she's doing enough rather than "what's he gonna do next". It's an important thing as a guy to understand when to give her space within the interaction to make moves of her own. At the risk of being cliche look at how James Bond interacts with women at first - he isn't all over them, and if anything p… | /r/seduction | 02/07/24 02:41 PM |
| 1 | I'm going broke wine n' dining American girls just to get ghosted. Want to go overseas.So people should follow the approach you're demonstrating right now? Stalk and harass them like a butthurt little gremlin? I must admit this is somewhat novel, having "fans" stalk me across subreddits. Touch grass bud. | /r/seduction | 27/06/24 02:34 PM |
| 3 | I'm going broke wine n' dining American girls just to get ghosted. Want to go overseas.If you're trying to compete with millionaires on money, of course you're going to lose. Fortunately most women are not looking just for a meal ticket. | /r/seduction | 26/06/24 02:46 PM |
| 4 | I'm going broke wine n' dining American girls just to get ghosted. Want to go overseas.Taking a girl out to dinner as a first date is practically leading with your chin. You're just asking a girl to take the free meal and run. What I would suggest is looking at why your batting average is 1/15. By the time you're going out with a girl, your close rate from that point should at least be 1/10 if not 1/5. That suggests to me that you're either exaggerating or your late game needs work. | /r/seduction | 26/06/24 02:45 PM |
| -1 | Why LOOKSMAXXING Will Get You NOWHERE!Most guys struggle with women because of their attitudes and beliefs towards themselves and others, first and foremost. Yes having a shitty personal appearance will sabotage your game but the only guys who really have an issue with this have bigger problems. That's why it hurts you with women - she'll assume that if you're that indifferent to the way you look, it's likely a sign of bigger issues. Improving your appearance and physique will get you more surface level attraction and more opportuni… | /r/seduction | 26/06/24 02:38 PM |
| 1 | How to stop being perceived as husband material?I didn't say play uninterested. I said don't lead with lots of feels, move the interaction forward while maintaining some mystery so she has to figure you out. | /r/seduction | 07/06/24 10:19 AM |
| 11 | How to stop being perceived as husband material?By that logic, the only way to be emotionally unavailable is to basically ice her out. I'm talking about being stoic, you can definitely lead an interaction without dumping all your feels out on the table or treating them like an intimate friend. That's how guys wind up in the friend zone, when they present themselves as having higher friend value to her than they do romantic value. | /r/seduction | 06/06/24 05:34 PM |
| 201 | How to stop being perceived as husband material?Be emotionally unavailable. That's how. Make them have to try and figure you out, rather than giving away the store, so to speak. Also lead the interaction. | /r/seduction | 06/06/24 04:04 PM |
| 4 | Being in shape, body game is the foundation to "seduction"It is certainly true that being out of shape is easily one of the biggest handicaps you can put on yourself. But it isn't just because of what women want, it's also because of the impact it has on your self-image. After all, it's hard to tell yourself you are a catch if you need to lift your beer gut just to see your package. That being said, here are some caveats and context I'd put alongside this: Being in shape is just one element of improving your physical appearance - grooming and fashion m… | /r/seduction | 04/06/24 03:17 PM |
| 8 | Literal model walks into a bar and it's amazing how girls naturally gravitated towards himIt's called women chasing status. That dude is a walking trophy to every woman in there, that's why OP saw what he saw. It's not that the looks don't matter, it's that the looks lead to the status, and the status leads to the chasing. | /r/seduction | 08/05/24 02:12 PM |
| 8 | Did reading books improve your game?Exactly - game is a skillset, you have to practice to get gud. Books can only tell you how do you it right. You can read all the cookbooks and watch all the YouTube videos, it still won't teach you how to make lobster wellington. | /r/seduction | 18/04/24 03:20 AM |
| 14 | is the bro code valid in 2024?While I don't think you owed the guy anything and he probably wasn't going to close regardless, I still say that was a boss move, compassionate and noble. To me it's also the tipping point of when you can consider yourself good with women - when you recognize the situations where you could get laid no muss, no fuss, but don't need to. That's true abundance mentality. It's only happened to me a few times, where I voluntarily walked away from a sure thing for a higher motive than not wanting to be… | /r/seduction | 10/04/24 01:14 AM |
| 128 | Do women chase guys who "ignore" them?The only women I've seen chase guys who outright ignored them were the legit psychos. But I have seen plenty of women chase after and obsess about guys who just weren't that into them. If you think men get one-itis bad, women practically invented it. This is is why it is better for a guy to under pursue a woman versus over pursuing. Women won't chase if you're already chasing them, but if you can keep the investment levels relatively even or in your favor, then you're in the driver's seat. This … | /r/seduction | 08/04/24 09:17 PM |
| 1 | What is the best way not to feel negative when you are rejected?The rejections which stung the most to me, were also the ones that turned out to be dodged bullets. One was too hung up on an ex to know which way was up and I would have been walking into a triangle of doom. One was a fucking basketcase thot. She was hot, but her personality turned me off to the point where I walked away twice. One would probably would have turned into an abusive relationship if it had happened. And as is always the sitch, the warning signs were there, but the full scope of the… | /r/seduction | 08/04/24 03:52 PM |
| 39 | She never initiates the conversationIt comes from not having enough experience with success. If you don't know what success looks like, you have a much harder time judging what a busted set looks like. | /r/seduction | 01/04/24 04:19 PM |
| 2 | Can I ever not be so afraid of women?And there's the root of your anxiety. What would you do if you were on a desert island where getting laid simply wasn't in the cards? You will not die without female affection. And it is certainly not a necessity for mental health. If your self esteem depends on validation from others, you're in a for a bad time. And seriously, give up the porn. | /r/seduction | 13/03/24 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Can I ever not be so afraid of women?Stop giving women so much power over your self-esteem. Any guy who's had success with women has a long list of rejections. Get out of your own head. Meditate asap. Get rid of porn. Anxious guys fap. Tinder is dating on hard mode for men because you're competing with the best guys in your area. Focus more on being social in your actual life. Read Models by Mark Manson now. In particular focus on the chapters where he talks about exposure therapy. If you keep trying IRL to get better and actually … | /r/seduction | 13/03/24 12:00 AM |
| 3 | There is generally speaking two types of guysit's an optimization problem. And every woman has a different sweet spot between blatant come-ons and totally under the radar subtext. | /r/seduction | 12/03/24 11:55 PM |
| 2 | There is generally speaking two types of guysThen you probably confuse the living hell out of women. | /r/seduction | 12/03/24 11:54 PM |
| 7 | There is generally speaking two types of guysThe guys in column 1 tend to live safe quiet lives of silent desperation. The guys in column 2 live fast, burn out, die young (in body but more often in spirit), and leave a pathetic husk. I choose to be neither sheep nor wolf, which is what this overly reductive dichotomy reduces men to. The bullies and the bullied. What the alpha primate models and the dudebros who quote them often leave out is the alpha chimp typically gets dethroned the moment he appears weak. Masculinity and attractive masc… | /r/seduction | 12/03/24 11:52 PM |
| 20 | Why is it that a girl will desire you more when you’re toxic?As a general rule - women respond positively to shabby treatment from men when they have low self-esteem and mistake disrespect for dominance. Women like and respond to men who behave in a dominant manner because it takes the pressure off them to express sexual intent, which many, but not all women are very uncomfortable expressing. I've known women who were outrageous flirts that turned super-shy when things got real. I've known other women were less more shy and introverted, who could and woul… | /r/seduction | 12/03/24 05:28 PM |
| 2 | Best pua product?This to me is like saying Elvis or the Beatles is the last word in rock and roll. Mark Manson in this analogy would be Led Zeppelin. | /r/seduction | 06/03/24 12:27 PM |
| 3 | Read modelsHard disagree there. First, you dumb it down to the point where you do it a disservice. Second, the fundamentals of good game are easy to spell out, far harder to implement. Third, Models really does unpack a standalone approach to game which other dating manuals can only really add to, rather than replace. And fourth, I don't consider myself a newbie, but I still re-read Models from time to time. | /r/seduction | 04/03/24 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Is eye contact a significant IOI?Depends on how long it is held. Most of the time what you'll see is either brief unintentional eye contact, or the glance-and-a-half where someone locks eyes with you and holds a half-second or so longer than normal. If they look away and then look back, that's a good sign. And if you get the held eye contact plus a smile, that's a straight-up approach signal. What's really important is how they make eye contact with you in conversation. Sometimes you'll get that vibe where you're locking eyes w… | /r/seduction | 29/02/24 02:28 PM |
| 5 | Are "Mystery Method" and "The Game" still up to dateI'd say they're relevant in the same way Elvis and the Beatles are relevant. The genre has moved on, several times over but they remain influential and worthwhile regardless. A lot of it is dated, incomplete compared to how the field has advanced, but there's still gems in there. The Game for instance has one important lesson that we all should internalize. A lot of issues we have with the opposite sex are really issues we have with ourselves and our own self-esteem. And the answers there do not… | /r/seduction | 06/02/24 10:27 PM |
| 12 | Stop Texting WomenI think the important takeaway from this discussion is that endless texting a woman accomplishes nothing but giving her free validation. In fact, I think many women, if they had their way, would be perfectly content with a stable of men only interacting with them over texts where there's little to no risk or investment on her end. To them, that's a free lunch at a price they can afford. That being said, you're going to have a hard time getting with girls today without spitting some text game, ev… | /r/seduction | 06/02/24 07:42 PM |
| 1 | How to Develop an Abundance MindsetOkay, well that's why I said often rather than always. And even then, the women we pick are ultimately a reflection of ourselves and what we want and prioritize. The warning signs are always there, especially in hindsight. The only question is whether we're willing see them before it's too late. | /r/seduction | 06/02/24 01:49 AM |
| 3 | How to Develop an Abundance MindsetTo me, abundance mindset is a combination of two separate factors: Self-esteem and being invested in your own life. Having women in your life gives you lots of little jolts of serotonin and dopamine. If you've got nothing else going on, those jolts take on outsized importance. What I aim for is to be happy and engaged in my own life completely independent of women. It can be a tall order, but otherwise you never know whether you are drawing on other people to replace what should already have by … | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 11:39 PM |
| 2 | Unlocking Natural GameWell then here's one more for ya: Britta Perry: [introspectively] I wonder. [to the study group] Britta Perry: I have an ex-boyfriend that travels with a carnival. [study group bursts into derisive laughter] Annie Edison: I'm sorry, Britta. Some things are funny because they make no sense and that is not one of them. | /r/seduction | 31/01/24 04:04 AM |
| 2 | Unlocking Natural GameShirley Bennett: Why do you wanna know the secret to making a woman psycho? Jeff Winger: Why do we wanna know how to blow up the earth or grow a human ear on a mouse? In case we have to, Shirley. In case we have to. | /r/seduction | 31/01/24 03:58 AM |
| 2 | Unlocking Natural GameThanks for posting, you're a perfect example of what I'm talking about, particularly when you talk about your early days and how bad your batting average was. I went through that exact phase too - lots of good opportunities with gorgeous women, only to have them slip through my fingers. I also find it interesting how you draw a distinction between social anxiety and generalized anxiety. Social anxiety is actually easier to deal with, because it is usually triggered by certain situations, whereas… | /r/seduction | 31/01/24 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Unlocking Natural GameWhat fantasy world do you live in? Same reality as all of us my friend. The only difference is that I've seen both sides of the hedge. The best time to make a fortune is in the midst of a economic depression. | /r/seduction | 31/01/24 01:01 AM |
| 4 | Unlocking Natural GameCharm, charisma, and good flirting are skills, not traits. You don't need them to have success with women but they sure do help. But that stuff is the frills compared to fixing your psychology, which is what most guys who seek out game actually need, and that doesn't come from chasing tail. That's the real lesson of all of this - guy gets lonely, guy can't get laid and doesn't know why, guy seeks out game, maybe he learns some, but even if he has success, there will often still be something hold… | /r/seduction | 31/01/24 12:04 AM |
| 25 | Did my first true cold approach and oofIn terms of exposure therapy, good shit. In terms of best practices, you need to get a handle on your anxiety ASAP as it is clearly sabotaging your game. Exposure therapy is just one leg of that stool. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 10:50 PM |
| 4 | Unlocking Natural GameThis outlook to me stigmatizes game as some kind of semi-unhealthy crutch or coping mechanism. I look at it differently. To me game is the equivalent of training/practice for a sport. Some people are natural athletes and can perform at a decent level without any training and little practice. Others need to deliberately develop themselves and their skills in order to reach that same level. But at the same time, natural talent can only take you so far. Many naturals with women that I've seen were … | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Unlocking Natural GameI disagree. There is such a thing as good and bad game. Healthy naturals can succeed in spite of bad game. Unhealthy students can fail in spite of good game. Think of it in terms of Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals: Lifestyle impacts the quality and compatibility of the women you meet and have a chance with. Communication/flirting skills or in other words "game" impact your batting average - the number of women you successfully convert from an opportunity to a realized romantic/sexual relationsh… | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 07:19 PM |
| 9 | Unlocking Natural GameAnxiety: Self-awareness/biofeedback Exposure therapy Meditation Good self-care habits. Insecurity: Self-improvement Introspection - give them a name. Face your fears. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 07:06 PM |
| 1 | This is what I don't get about the "wait to text" line of thinkingEither. Both. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 05:01 PM |
| 2 | The most effective and easy way to seduce womenEffective and easy solutions do not need a thousand or so words to explain. Next, who ever said that good listening and having a strong presence weren't powerful tools? But those alone in my experience don't get you laid unless the girl you're dealing with is ready and willing to take the initiative. In fact, taking the initiative is the best way to get her talking so you can practice this kind of game. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 02:46 AM |
| 34 | This is what I don't get about the "wait to text" line of thinkingIt's simple - when in doubt, match her level of interest. The reason for all these silly and uncodified "rules" around texting is because everybody uses it as a way to gauge interest. Even if they say they don't. So go off the vibe from when you last talked to her. If she's super into you, then play it casual and direct. The only way you can fuck up here is going to extremes. If she was giving off neutral vibes and yellow lights, then you give a little space just to hedge against looking too thi… | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 02:41 AM |
| 1 | She hits me up, but then doesn’t respond?Did you forget, or did you chicken out? The fact that she followed up with you is actually a good sign. Some girls would just shrug and put you in their slush pile. But your insecurities got the better of you and you overcompensated. Your initial response wasn't bad, but the mistake was not following up with actual plans. Give it another day and ask her out for realsies. If she's still into you maybe she'll give it another chance, but you were being try hard. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 02:08 AM |
| 44 | Dinner is a TERRIBLE first date idea! Why you should always avoid itIn today's dating meta, it's way too big an upfront investment, and it is not an environment conducive to flirting with someone new. That simple. | /r/seduction | 30/01/24 01:49 AM |
| 15 | I have been friendzoned by over 30 women. Here’s what I’ve learned:They fuck the toxic asshole because the toxic asshole is often the only guy with the stones to make a move and not let her walk all over him. In a lot of ways, women are trying to play the game like men, and then wondering why they can't get what they want. What they fail to realize is that men play that style of game because they don't care about getting in a relationship, and even then, guys who play the field still have a nasty tendency to go after the exact wrong girl. A smart man's takeaway… | /r/seduction | 07/09/23 01:49 PM |
| 11 | I have been friendzoned by over 30 women. Here’s what I’ve learned:Exactly, women aren't attracted to OP because they don't need to be. OP is already giving away the store. It won't be easy at first, but I learned a long time ago that I'd rather be alone than be used by someone who claims to be my friend. | /r/seduction | 07/09/23 01:45 PM |
| 15 | I have been friendzoned by over 30 women. Here’s what I’ve learned:To put it bluntly OP, you're struggling with women because you're giving away your time and attention for free. Attracting women isn't really about looks (though it does help - go to the gym), nor is it about running psychotic pimp game (outside of not being a pushover). Attracting women is really about internalizing a belief in your own value as a man and acting accordingly. It's about cultivating a healthy and sane level of self-respect. Not everyone will have the same valuation of you as you … | /r/seduction | 07/09/23 01:43 PM |
| 55 | I think I’ve made a realization about the “female gaze” and why it seems like women tend to underestimate the importance of looksI’ve always thought it was bullshit when women talked about the “female gaze” because, I mean, just look at who’s the most attractive to women - the same type of guy: tall, white, handsome, athletic looking, etc. It would feel like women were lying about how they “don’t care about looks” because we have eyes and can see what women respond to. I'd say it's more like they do and they don't. It's not that they don't care about looks, it's that looks is just one factor in a holistic process. Men are… | /r/seduction | 30/10/22 04:34 PM |
| 3 | what makes a man seductive?What is some examples of the masculine role? | /r/seduction | 28/10/22 01:45 AM |
| 12 | what makes a man seductive?Well I'm sorry women don't give out detailed after-action reports, complete with quantifiable and measurable metrics. I'm just telling people what gets results, based off my experience. | /r/seduction | 27/10/22 05:40 PM |
| 1 | what makes a man seductive?It's not my bait, but I see how well it works a lot of the time. Let's face it, women have always depended on men for shelter, food and status. Not as much as before of course but a good partner will always bring something to the table and help form a better team. Parasites or passengers are not attractive. | /r/seduction | 27/10/22 05:17 PM |
| 7 | what makes a man seductive?If money is your bait, you can't complain about only catching gold diggers. | /r/seduction | 27/10/22 04:43 PM |
| 51 | what makes a man seductive?Courage and persistence. Remember the lesson of Boomhauer. Even if you have literally nothing else going for you, so long as you're willing to step up and play the masculine role in an interaction with a woman, sooner or later you'll find someone who will meet you halfway. Everything else is just optimizing the return on your investment, but courage and persistence are the irreplaceable elements. But here are the honorable mentions, in order: Non-neediness Empathy Presence of mind/grace under pr… | /r/seduction | 27/10/22 03:50 PM |
| 2 | Conversational starters that dont make you sound robotic or autisticFair point. It's easy to go wrong with this. Too pointed and you come off dickish, too flattering and you come off corny. | /r/seduction | 27/10/22 02:46 AM |
| 1 | Women are more superficial than men. Key learning: if a girl ghosts, it's probably because she didn't physically find you attractiveWhen she makes out with you in a club, but feels afterwards like she was acting like a huge slut (she had a BF at home, her friends saw or some other guy she was into etc. - doesn't even have to be rational, often isn't). So she ghosts you as a means of avoiding bad feels. | /r/seduction | 26/10/22 04:45 PM |
| 6 | Conversational starters that dont make you sound robotic or autisticCold reads. Tease her with some silly (but ultimately cute or flattering - this is key) first impression. | /r/seduction | 26/10/22 04:44 PM |
| 5 | Women are more superficial than men. Key learning: if a girl ghosts, it's probably because she didn't physically find you attractiveNo, that smells more like buyer's remorse or another dude. Women generally don't make out with guys they find physically unattractive. But they do act embarrassed afterwards if they feel slutty about it. | /r/seduction | 26/10/22 04:41 PM |
| 69 | You are not preserving a woman’s honor by ‘taking things slowly’ or delaying sex. You’re only hurting your chances. Always escalate and avoid the White Knight mentality with sexThis. Largely because women can sooner or later tell if you're interested in them. And hiding your interest, especially when she wants it, seems either weak or mean. Like when you can tell a girl is interested in you, but just won't play ball. Eventually you get to a point where you just don't want to bother with them unless they're under your thumb. | /r/seduction | 26/10/22 12:32 AM |
| 1 | How to back off after being needy, without seeming like you’re playing games ?Okay I'm having trouble figuring out what's going on here... You don't know where she stands, but you're still sleeping together? You had an attack of one-itis, she took you back, and now you're getting one-word replies? Honestly, I'm just so allergic to one-itis situations that my instinct would be to just hit the eject button and move on. | /r/seduction | 24/10/22 03:32 PM |
| 5 | Texting Fundamentals for NoobsAs a young women that has her fair share of dating experiences, guys please hear me out. "When you meet with her later, the point is to have sex. That's the way it is." That is not the way. "don’t get attached to one girl until she climbs into bed with you. Keep your eyes on the prize, and that prize is getting laid." "Glide effortlessly towards having some boner-inducing fun." If this is your end goal, PLEASE STOP TEXTING GIRLS. Setting up a date does NOT mean sex. Do not go and set up dates fo… | /r/seduction | 24/10/22 03:02 PM |
| 49 | You don’t *have* to kiss on the first date, have sex, or anything. Don’t force itFocusing on whether or not you kiss, smash, or hit some milestone of physical intimacy is missing the forest for the trees. It's also exactly what women are on guard against. If the chemistry and sexual tension are there, whether or not you kiss or get into bed is almost irrelevant. It'll happen sooner or later provided the vibe is right. Sometimes she'll just flat out make it happen (girls have needs to ya know) but you can't bank on that either. I see sometimes guys write here that all is lost… | /r/seduction | 24/10/22 02:31 PM |
| 18 | Any advice on how to avoid the "i just didn't feel the spark"That's kinda like saying if it rains, you're gonna get wet. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If it isn't safe to flirt on a date when is it? | /r/seduction | 24/10/22 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Texting Fundamentals for NoobsAs a general rule, that's the best thing. When I'm texting a girl, I want the tempo of the conversation to get faster. That means she's invested in the conversation and enjoying herself. Deliberately stalling to reply does the opposite of that, and only really works on low-self-esteem girls who think one-sided infatuation is "falling in love" | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Texting Fundamentals for NoobsMost of this stuff is common sense for people with good social skills and experience, but this subreddit is not just for the socially well-adjusted. If anything it's for the guys who are trying to get out of their mom's basement and need to be told not to be needy, not to blow up her phone etc. You want honest and direct? The message you are giving guys trying to get better is completely counterproductive, judgmental, and hypocritical. It says far more about you than it does about anyone else. S… | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 11:01 PM |
| 110 | Great Date, No Text Back (M)Sounds like you played it way too safe and ignored her signs. OP it sounds like you came across to her like the nice cute virgin who wears thick wooly sweaters. Sure you might have been nice, fun to chat with and spend time with, but sexually you probably bored her to tears. Where was the flirting, the teasing, the trying to the build the "will-they-won't-they"? Did you even try to touch her at all? She even gave you a clear signal she was willing to go further, but you passed. The other mistake… | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 10:46 PM |
| 23 | Any advice on how to avoid the "i just didn't feel the spark"No spark = no sexual chemistry. No sexual chemistry = no sexual tension. No sexual tension = no flirting and/or botched flirting. This is why flirtation exists, to build sexual chemistry without breaking the tension. Flirting works because the sexual communication is all subtextual (i.e. no direct and overt intentions). Seduction is a dance and flirting is the steps. You're communicating what it'd be like to be in bed with you by the way you flirt with her. This is why men tease, why they compli… | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 08:37 PM |
| 22 | Texting Fundamentals for NoobsHere would be my Ten Commandments of Text Game: Text with a purpose. You don't have to be super direct, but you need to know in your head what you're trying to accomplish. Otherwise you'll be there at 2 am hearing about her day. The goal of all text game is to set up dates. Do not fool yourself into thinking you can pick up a girl over text. Not because it can't happen but because it's bad game. Set up the date and flirt with her IRL. Mirror her response times. Just a good rule of thumb. If she'… | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 05:14 PM |
| 6 | Just saw a friend pull a girl home and I'm dumbfoundedMy speed record was only a little slower than this. It's pure luck to pull a girl that fast. You basically just have to meet someone who's already DTF and play your cards right. The term for this is "fool's mate" because it's the pickup equivalent of a three-move checkmate. | /r/seduction | 23/10/22 04:49 PM |
| 3 | Unpopular opinion - A relationship lasts longer when the girl is more obsessed with the guy than the other way round (which is the popular opinion(Mark Manson beat you to it about 10-15 years ago. | /r/seduction | 22/10/22 11:46 PM |
| 13 | Unpopular hot take: Most men are totally okay with waiting to have sex, but we're under pressure to make moves or else we'll be friendzoned.Here's a hot take. Guys get friend zoned when they show too much approval-seeking behavior. Why this? Because women want a man who doesn't need to be forgiven. And I don't mean be some badass outlaw biker. Just be a guy who's self-esteem isn't shaken by her. Like that one episode of Community with Britta's carnie ex named Blade. That's why women shit test. If a girl you barely know can manipulate you that easily, you care too much. Now do women take this too far and selfishly seek to turn guys i… | /r/seduction | 22/10/22 08:29 PM |
| 2 | How does one learn text game?https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CharmingRigidChick-mobile.mp4 | /r/seduction | 22/10/22 05:29 PM |
| 1 | I’m a mid twenties kissless virgin and I feel like I will lose everything good in my life that I’ve worked hard for if I don’t get laid soon.I dunno man, I can see it. I'll DM you. | /r/seduction | 22/10/22 04:49 PM |
| 44 | I’m a mid twenties kissless virgin and I feel like I will lose everything good in my life that I’ve worked hard for if I don’t get laid soon.Step One: Models, by Mark Manson. This book is truth. I gained more value from this book than almost any other text I've read on the subject. And I've read a lot, including a lot of worthy competitors for the crown, but Models is king. Step Two: Commit to self-improvement. What you're missing is courage. You find it by going to the places you fear. Get out of your comfort zone in all things. What a lot of men suffer from is they're standouts in one area, and below average in one or two others. S… | /r/seduction | 22/10/22 05:53 AM |
| 33 | How does one learn text game?The same way Happy Gilmore trains for hockey season, except it isn't your head taking the hits, but your ego. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 11:08 PM |
| 3 | Do you find that you only attract one type of woman?If I was gonna be glib, I'd just say like attracts like. A more detailed answer would probably be that compatibility is driven by similarities while chemistry is driven by differences. This will be why you might have chemistry with a wide variety of women, but only really fall into relationships with women you have a lot in common with. So if you're trying to figure out what your demographic is and/or break out of it, my advice would be to be the kind of person you want to date. It's a lot easie… | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 10:45 PM |
| 3 | Do you find that you only attract one type of woman?Uhh your question is a little vague. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 10:00 PM |
| 2 | Went on a date, kissed, ghosted. Wtf?Getting butthurt gives that behavior a significance it doesn't deserve. I just put her on the back burner and treat her like an acquaintance. If I ain't her priority, she ain't mine. Nothing more, nothing less. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 09:59 PM |
| 3 | Do you find that you only attract one type of woman?Not really to be honest. I've dated jocks and nerds, smart girls and dumb ones, hot ones and not-so-hot ones, career women and "working girls", virgins and single moms. Younger and older, every race and every hair color now. In terms of a type, I tend to wind up having things with extroverted, smart-to-wicked-smart girls, often with some unresolved emotional issues which when mixed with mine become the undoing of the relationship. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 08:30 PM |
| 26 | Why does it take you so long to respond to texts?If she takes an hour or two to respond, she's probably busy. If she takes a day to respond, she's sending a passive-aggressive message. Think of it this way. Most people by the time they get out of high school realize that if you text people like that, you send the message that they're not important to you. 99% of people don't do this unless it's deliberate. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 05:14 PM |
| 4 | Went on a date, kissed, ghosted. Wtf?At this point dude, I'd say whatever it was is far more likely to be her problem than your problem. The fact that she kissed you means you didn't turn her off, so it likely wasn't something you did/said. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 05:00 PM |
| 5 | Went on a date, kissed, ghosted. Wtf?4-5 days in my books is playing it a little too cool. But then again, I try to avoid at all costs setting up a date more than a few days in advance. A week at the most. Long time frame plans with someone new is just begging for flaking/nerves/cold feet. It also leaves you in the conundrum of trying to keep momentum up over text without appearing too tryhard - something super difficult and usually dependent on her carrying the convo. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 04:58 PM |
| 24 | Went on a date, kissed, ghosted. Wtf?No OP is right on this one. I went with a girl to a party once, she didn't want to drink (even though I knew she did) and I didn't press the issue because it didn't matter to me. And then she starts musing about trying coke (some other ppl were doing lines) and I knew some funny business was at work. Girls do that when they're deliberately trying to avoid getting drunk and horny - with you. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Went on a date, kissed, ghosted. Wtf?She was playing the field dude. Every time a girl has behaved like that with me, it was because I wasn't her priority. Could have been some other guy, could be herself and she's just trying to play me, doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Point is, when our instincts tell us something is up, listen to them. We might not know the why. It might be a showstopper issue, it might not be. But those intuitive cues always pick up on something. | /r/seduction | 21/10/22 04:51 PM |
| 2 | How do you pass the "I am too pretty for you" "I don't see what do attractive about you" when you're clearly good looking and she is interested too???What do you need to prove to her? Any girl who'd say that to you either really really dislikes you, or is crushing on you and wants to bust your chops. By shit testing you, she's practically saying she's attracted to you - otherwise why shit test you? And if it's the former option, you'd know. So why get rattled? She's trying to mess with you just to see if she can. And she doesn't really want to succeed. | /r/seduction | 20/10/22 06:44 AM |
| 4 | How do you pass the "I am too pretty for you" "I don't see what do attractive about you" when you're clearly good looking and she is interested too???How do you pass it? Easy - always call their bluff. Good lesson to take away from Bond movies. Laugh at her, then agree and amplify. Maybe... "Hahaha, good. You won't go all Stage 5 clinger on me!" | /r/seduction | 20/10/22 06:40 AM |
| 27 | Question: do guys here legitimately believe women have to be "earned?"Earned is the wrong word. Seduction is a dance. But even in a dance, someone has to lead and someone has to follow. They can and do switch roles, but they can't do both at the same time or only do one thing. That's how signals get crossed. Most women generally prefer to be the reactive one, rather than the active one because there is safety in ambiguity. When you're the one being actively pursued, you have the high ground. But women will make the first move, either when sufficiently motivated, o… | /r/seduction | 20/10/22 06:35 AM |
| 1 | Question about a date I just had todayWhen you have a limited window to make something happen with a girl, you need to build sexual tension fast and get her turned on. Otherwise why would she hook up with you? Sounds to me like your initial approach was too platonic and she saw grabbing coffee with you as something to pass the time. Trying to pull fast in a day game context is not exactly a beginner run, because it's hard to flirt aggressively sitting in a coffee shop. Not a bad practice run, but the logistics would have been a chal… | /r/seduction | 20/10/22 06:17 AM |
| 7 | Quick Macro level gaming hacks/tricks/tipsBroke guys get laid. Ugly guys get laid. Nobodies get laid. "..." Even guys with no game get laid. There are no hacks, the process is simple: Get your shit together. Get out there and be social. Try to flirt with girls. Try to make something happen with girls who are interested. Reflect and learn from your experiences. Everything else is details. What determines your results is how sincerely and effectively you practice the grind. That's really all skill development. | /r/seduction | 20/10/22 06:10 AM |
| 30 | The guys I know who attract the most women are among the most deeply insecure, arrogant, narcissistic, egotistical people that I know ofThe full explanation of why women go for assholes is complex and has nothing to do with the typical bro-science explanations. The short answer is a few bullet points: Most women would rather be with an asshole than be with a "wimp". Strength in this context is also psychological, not physical. Many women are shitty judges of character, especially with men they find attractive. Men are no different. People tend to date their own crazy because the things in themselves they're blind to, they're als… | /r/seduction | 19/10/22 09:20 PM |
| -1 | Unless you are in an established relationship with someone, there needs to be a degree of emotional detachment regarding a potential future with themRepost/duh. | /r/seduction | 19/10/22 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Does ignoring girls work?As a tactic? No. Why? Because if it works, odds are she's in your orbit for the wrong reasons. Ask me how I know this. The right question to ask is why would you ignore a girl, and why should you/shouldn't you? The right time to ignore a girl is when you're done with her and she knows it (i.e. going no contact or nexting her) or when she's clearly crossed boundaries and won't be accountable (i.e. ghosting, flaking, etc). The wrong time to ignore a girl is when you're trying to get to know her. T… | /r/seduction | 19/10/22 09:12 PM |
| 2 | How can I stop being interested in women?Totally not the wrong sub. This is a discussion that 100% needs to be had, right now. Why? Because if you want to be good with women, the one thing you must not be is obsessed with them. Women can smell that shit from a mile away and even if they can't, it's a sign to you personally that you're pursuing women for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't want women in your life because you just want to get your rocks off. Porn is cheaper, simpler, and never has a headache. You shouldn't want women in you… | /r/seduction | 04/10/22 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Is it better to take it slow when approaching a friend, or straight up tell her?In my experience, when dealing with friends, it's better if she makes the first move. If she doesn't, or at the very least doesn't give you very clear "hey make a move" signs, she'll find it hard to resist the urge to play it safe and punt you into the friend zone. Most women I've found don't date or mess around with their male friends unless they're crushing on them hard, or they think they have competition. Otherwise they take you for granted as a romantic option because every girl knows their… | /r/seduction | 03/10/22 01:48 AM |
| 1 | She wants kids and LTR. I can't offer any of this, however I sense a path to temporary relation. How to calibrate and escalate?So what you basically want is a semi-serious relationship with no commitment, with a woman who is at the tail end of her biological clock and feeling it to boot? It's just not gonna work brah. Someone will get let down, or you two will try and make it work regardless only to frustrate yourselves. It's not like what you're asking is impossible or ought to be impossible. People have intense short-term relationships (we used to call them flings) or low key casual affairs where there wasn't exclusiv… | /r/seduction | 26/09/22 03:44 PM |
| 6 | locking eyes? is it a good sign?Girl approaches you twice and stares you down? Uhhhhh. Bro.... | /r/seduction | 24/09/22 05:34 PM |
| 116 | When a girl brings up a perceived weakness of yours… twiceShe's trying to see if she can rattle you. Laugh at her like she's your bratty little sister trying to troll you. Part of the price of being bald is learning not to give a shit about being bald. | /r/seduction | 24/09/22 04:44 PM |
| 20 | What's the difference between the guys who get the girls and the guys who don't?The real difference between guys who get laid and guys who don't is courage. Mark Manson makes this exact point, arguing that lifestyle may influence the quality of girls in your life, and your communication skills influence your batting average, your courage influences your actual results, quantity-wise. And in my experience, this observation is straight truth. And not just the courage to approach, that's merely the first step. The real hard part is staying authentic, staying bold, and assuming… | /r/seduction | 22/09/22 02:24 PM |
| 16 | What's the difference between the guys who get the girls and the guys who don't?This strikes me as a half truth. I don't consider myself a super-handsome guy. If I had to guess, I'm maybe a 6 or a 7 looks-wise. Some girls really like my appearance, but I'm not one of those guys girls get stupid around. And yet I've had girls who I thought were way out of my league send me approach signals, stare me down (in a good way) chat me up, and otherwise make themselves available or show receptivity. Two of them were actual models. Not making something happen with those girls was 100… | /r/seduction | 22/09/22 02:13 PM |
| 3 | How to build a strong frame?Strong frame is really about three things - emotional maturity/regulation, being more invested in yourself than in the opinions of others, and communicating for the right reasons. Most people get into trouble with their frames because they're over-extending. They let their mouth run away from them, they let their insecurities get triggered, or they try too hard to impress. To me strong frame is about having faith in what you do know, accepting what you do not know, and having a value offering ra… | /r/seduction | 21/09/22 06:36 PM |
| 15 | Approached my gym crush, it was the most awkward interaction I've ever hadThe riddle with reading interactions like these, is often the way we behave when we're crushing on someone to an embarassing degree is often very similar to when we're militantly disinterested in someone. Some other poster suggested that unbroken eye contact is a sign of feeling threatened. If this was the proper read, the rest of her behavior would reflect that. She'd exit the conversation at her first opportunity, physically put distance between you guys, and otherwise give off even more awkwa… | /r/seduction | 21/09/22 05:52 AM |
| 9 | Fun Fact: There is nothing more effective in seduction than making the seduced think that they are the ones doing the seducing.Oh pre-selection is a thing? You don't say! There are many ways to demonstrate/hint at pre-selection without trying to sow jealousy plotlines. That shit can also backfire badly, even if you weren't trying to make anyone jealous. You might think having two girls fight over you is hot and an ego boost, but trust me, once you've been there, you know it's not all it's cracked up to be. Also stop and think about what kinda girls you're attracting if parading other girls in front of them and other man… | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 07:24 PM |
| 4 | Should you always ask out / get contact info when cold approaching?The various steps of seduction should flow together like a well-written romance arc, with one thing leading to another. Sounds like you've gotten the hang of cold approaching, but where you're struggling now is building up enough momentum to keep the conversation going and get to a point where asking for her number doesn't seem like a shot in the dark. Going for the number is a bit like going for the first kiss - if things are going right, the window of opportunity ought to present itself - she … | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 03:34 PM |
| 55 | Fun Fact: There is nothing more effective in seduction than making the seduced think that they are the ones doing the seducing.Jealousy plotlines are a little too tryhard in my books unless they emerge organically. Plus, when girls try to pull that shit on me, my instinct is to pull away, and fast. The way to make the other person feel like they're doing the seducing is to appear to put as little effort in as possible. Some girls go in for the big romantic gestures and guy sweeping them off their feet. The effort makes them feel validated and like the guy isn't just trying to get in their pants. Other girls like it when… | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 02:34 PM |
| 3 | (28M) Dozens of matches on apps. Couldn’t get a single girl to meet up.My read on Online Dating is that it serves best as an adjunct to actually getting out there and chatting people up. Why? Because women use dating apps like window shopping. It allows them to filter through a bunch of guys, match with only ones that interest them, and then milk them for attention. Do all women do this? No. Loads of women don't even bother with online dating, and some use them as they're meant to be used - the semi-mythical unicorns who troll Tinder for quick dick. You never know … | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 02:28 PM |
| 1 | You don't need high self esteem in order to be an attractive personYes you can get laid without oodles of self-esteem, the same way you can make money without necessarily having any of the virtues which typically enable it. But that's not good game. What comes across from OP is that he was able to not try at all and girls were still giving him a chance. Which strongly suggests that these girls were not chasing him as a person, they were chasing something superficial about him (i.e. looks/money/status). Now I'm not saying that a guy must put in a ton of effort t… | /r/seduction | 22/08/22 03:32 PM |
| 1 | First Date: Why is it bad to talk about past relationships?It's largely a time and place kinda thing. As the relationship develops, past romantic history is inevitably going to come up, but some trust and rapport needs to built up first before you go diving into those weeds, because of how easy it is to: overshare misinterpret or be misinterpreted mistake what is relevant for what isn't ... and the list goes on. Bringing up past relationships during a first date is a mistake because that's not what a first date is for. First dates are about building up … | /r/seduction | 22/08/22 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Attire: Pants that Hug or Not.Dress to match your target demographic. If you want girls who are successfully and perhaps a little bougie, wear a suit or dress up. If you want party girls, dress down in a way that shows off your body. If you want hipster girls, dress like you belong in that silly subculture. Get the idea? | /r/seduction | 12/08/22 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Very attractive but has no personality (or brain cells), how can I line up a ONS?It's very difficult, if not impossible to get a woman to sleep with you without showing any interest. Is it hypothetically possible to tease a woman into bed with you? Yes, but that strategy relies on her being already horny and already looking for a guy to take home. The real trick is attracting her enough that she wants your interest. Then you give her a little taste, and pull back. Most guys are either too needy/scared to show any interest, or they go full beta and start worshipping her. You … | /r/seduction | 12/08/22 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Very attractive but has no personality (or brain cells), how can I line up a ONS?I understand your disgust for what feels like pointless contrivances, but what's important to understand is why they're necessary. She's not stupid. She knows that when she goes back to your place, it's not to look at your pet rocks. But the artifice is necessary because it allows her to get around the bad social programming we've been giving women, namely that by having sex, she's giving up her power/leverage/dignity/whatever. The reason why that's bad social programming is because what really … | /r/seduction | 12/08/22 02:19 PM |
| 5 | Girls smiling/Smiking when I approachGirls smile to be polite and approachable. It's to signal a willingness to be social. So you can't read that much into it. Now eye contact on the other hand, that's a much better tell of sexual attraction. The longer she holds and returns your gaze, as a general rule, the more attracted she is. If you don't know her and she's staring you down and smiling, that's about as good as a green light to go up and talk to her as you're gonna get. If you do know her and she's just smiling without the ling… | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 02:23 PM |
| 1 | Very attractive but has no personality (or brain cells), how can I line up a ONS?Get better at push/pull. Most guys screw up hitting on girls because they either have no filter and telegraph far too much intent/neediness, or they're so repressed that the girl dies of boredom waiting for him to show some glimmer of desire. What all women ultimately want from men is to be wanted without being needed. Push/pull is how both men and women express that. Some girls need to be teased before they're comfortable being hit on, because need to be invested first. Some girls need a guy to… | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 02:09 PM |
| 10 | I see people here saying women are rooting for you, just approach. But ive also seen the darker side of women. Some women i approached used me to brag in their social circle in a negative way. One woman even said to me ‘not if my life depended on it”Some women are just unhappy, bitter, and spiteful. We can hope they're a small minority but some of them will always be out there. Life is a box of chocolates brah. | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Do girls get off on ghosting guys?It really depends. Sometimes they just can't be bothered to deal with you heads up, especially if it's something awkward or painful like rejection. Sometimes they get so anxious about dealing with you, for any number of reasons, that they just lock up. Sometimes they feel whatever they have with you is doomed and want to bail first. Especially if they're spiteful or vindictive. Ultimately, unless you have kids with her, a woman can't do shit to you emotionally unless you give a shit about her an… | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 01:59 PM |
| 1 | Why do girls do this?This is actually why seduction gets a bad rap because this is a human nature problem. People want all the benefits of an intimate relationship, whether they're consciously aware of it or not, and avoid the strings attached. And if you allow people to do that, they often will. You'll hear this exact same story out of women who start hooking up with a guy, he starts treating her like a GF, she catches feels, he bounces. This is why my rule is to never lie or hold out when it comes to how I feel ab… | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 01:55 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean when a girl says she likes men with an attitude?Strong silent type. Basically play "the King incognito". Lots of confidence, social but eschewing the limelight, and slow to talk but sure of what they say. The types of girls who go for this type are usually the super-shy hopeless romantic types who project onto him a sort of Bryonic archetype, and the shy butterfly types who tend to have a strong personality, but lack the confidence and social independence to really assert it. The kinds of girls who read bodice-rippers and imagine charming rog… | /r/seduction | 28/07/22 03:59 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean when a girl says she likes men with an attitude?It means she wants a guy who is a challenge to win over, rather than say a Ted Mosby. Some girls, all they really want is a guy who wants them back and isn't afraid to let it show. Other girls, they want a guy they choose and chase. All it really means for a guy is how you approach them. Do you add value to the interaction by say complimenting her, or do you ask for value first, by say teasing her a little and playing hard to get. Ideally you should be doing both, but some women prefer one befor… | /r/seduction | 28/07/22 03:53 PM |
| 2 | What has been your experience when you had to reject someone romantically?Rejecting people is never easy and never something I look forward to, but there's a few simple guidelines to make it as pain-free as possible. 1. Don't lie. Should be common sense but the temptation will be there. Most of the hurt feelings from a rejection come from deception, be it from another or to yourself. Truth is the active medicinal ingredient of any rejection, and the rule of thumb should be to be as honest as they ask for or you think they can handle. Remember that just because you sho… | /r/seduction | 27/07/22 05:38 PM |
| 3 | Lower your standards, sleep with some fun women, and your abundance mindset will become real, and hotter girls more accessible.There's a lot of guys out there who either find a crutch they can rely on (like daddy's credit card or winning the genetic lottery) and don't actually know game. But they think they do because they're scoring the equivalent of what used to be called "fool's mate". | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Lower your standards, sleep with some fun women, and your abundance mindset will become real, and hotter girls more accessible.Tbh, there are loads of women who act like sex is a carrot they give out to guys who pass their tests, rather than something shared. And they take that attitude into bed with them. Which is also why it's hilarious how they flip a switch when they think the guy has equal or better options and they have to compete to hold his interest. The irony about the dating world right now is that half the women are chasing trophies, while the other half just want someone decent without glaring dealbreaker fl… | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 03:35 PM |
| 3 | Advice on insecurity and confidenceMeet women IRL. Go out to bars and just engage with people. Read Models - it will tell everything you need to know. | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 02:35 AM |
| 5 | Advice on insecurity and confidenceThen mix up your strategy and don't be so reliant on the apps. Apps to me are useful as a passive way to drum up opportunities. Until and unless you get a super-compelling profile and a bulletproof abundance mentality, online apps will be painful for you. Get back to cold approaching and just being social. | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 02:25 AM |
| 16 | Advice on insecurity and confidenceThe insecurity isn't coming from their reactions. Every guy gets those at one time or another. The real source of your insecurity is your fears about what it means about you. It could be nothing, it could be something. You don't know, and it's the uncertainty that drives you nuts. So how do you get rid of the uncertainty? Try and do better with yourself. And really try at it, don't half-ass it. And if the improvements in your lifestyle and self-esteem don't produce any change then you've at leas… | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 02:20 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone else unmatch at the end of the dayIt's good to have boundaries with these sorts of things I find. Most girls I find are pretty reasonable (in that they'll either respond normally or not at all), but every now and then you get one that texts like she hates you and is trying to be as passive-aggressive as possible. So for those cases, you need to have some boundary. My rule is this - one fair warning then down tools. If it's nothing then there will usually be some explanation and/or a change in behavior. Otherwise they're just bei… | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 02:18 AM |
| 0 | Std scareAnother Poe's Law post. | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 02:14 AM |
| 7 | Lower your standards, sleep with some fun women, and your abundance mindset will become real, and hotter girls more accessible.Bullshit. The only difference is hotter girls have on average more options. Self-esteem and character do not track with hotness past a fairly low threshold. And the proof of that is girl game. I've met 7s with girl game for days. They weren't the hottest ones, but they played their cards right and never lacked for options. And I've met 9s who were their own worst enemy when it came to men. | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 12:51 AM |
| 57 | Lower your standards, sleep with some fun women, and your abundance mindset will become real, and hotter girls more accessible.If the only women you're trying with are super-hot ones, then straight up, you're looking for trophies and your priorities are outta whack. I'll take a 7 with the right personality and the right chemistry, than a 9 without those things. 10/10 times. There are limits to how much I'll compromise on looks, but the point still stands that past a minimum threshold, looks count for less and less, especially if there are other things missing. | /r/seduction | 26/07/22 12:47 AM |
| 22 | How to tell other women you've been dating you found someoneSo long as you're not lying to anyone or doing some kinda epic string-along game, it's not a big deal, you just say you met someone and are no longer available. You also don't need to inform people like you have an STD or something. Just deal with it when the matter arises and don't be weird about it. | /r/seduction | 25/07/22 10:22 PM |
| 1 | She texted “wanna cum join me for a naked yoga session later on today?”I'm half convinced posts like these are troll posts. Poe's Law, this thread is for you. | /r/seduction | 25/07/22 10:20 PM |
| 1 | To what degree do looks actually matter?Depends on what you're going for. If you wanna pump and dump the equivalent of Insta thots over Tinder, then yeah if your fashion and fitness game aren't on point, you're in for a rough time. If you're looking for a potential wife, in person, at church functions in small-town flyover country, then looks aren't gonna make that big a deal. No where near as much as less superficial traits. My rule of thumb is this: bring what you expect out of the opposite sex. If you want to date someone who is in… | /r/seduction | 25/07/22 10:10 PM |
| 6 | Just be yourself and talk to women like they're human beings and you will be drowning in attention!Nobody is 100% honest with anyone 100% of the time, including with ourselves. The key is to neither be naive nor have all your relationships turn into a race to the bottom of distrust. If you anticipate deception and betrayal all the time, you'll make people think you can't be trusted and turn those suspicions into self-fulfilling prophecies. I think the secret for men to understand is that women don't want men to be an open book, anymore than full disclosure from her right off the bat would tur… | /r/seduction | 25/07/22 05:34 PM |
| 9 | Just be yourself and talk to women like they're human beings and you will be drowning in attention!Here's the rub. You can drop any notion of game so long as the woman you're dealing with is dealing with you in 100% good faith. Then all you have to do is not be needy or fuck it up, and things will take their natural course, no matter what it is. The problem is, a lot of women will not deal with men in 100% good faith, because that's a good way to get played by narcissists who tell her what she wants to hear, and then flip a switch once they've gotten their rocks off. This can be something tha… | /r/seduction | 25/07/22 02:55 PM |
| 2 | Can you learn anything from TV shows like Sex and The City, Girls etc.Californication is only worth watching from a learning game perspective because Hank Moody demonstrates a lot of good-game behaviors and attitude. Other than that, it's not real life. No washed-up, functional-alcoholic, 45-55 year old single dad writer who's hung up on his ex will pull tail like that, even if he looks like David Duchovny. The real life version of Hank Moody is a lot more unattractive and pathetic, rather than roguishly charming to women who are sick of lamewads. Now as the shows… | /r/seduction | 23/07/22 01:39 PM |
| 2 | How important is social media presence when it comes to dating?/thread | /r/seduction | 23/07/22 01:30 PM |
| 5 | Tips on gaming shy girls?Lots of gentle teasing to open her up. Key is to remember that you want her to feel cute and endearing, not challenged or put-down. Keeping your energy level down is also important because the more turned on she'll get, the more nervous she'll get. Some girls need a high-energy guy to get them worked up. Shy girls need a calm guy to help them bring out their inner horny minx. Indirect sexuality is king here. Save the witty innuendo and sexual teasing for a different type. Ideally you want to sor… | /r/seduction | 23/07/22 01:07 PM |
| 3 | Isn't being friends with girls a little pointless?Female friends can do a lot for you socially and in terms of game: A window into the female mind/sounding board. Social proof/pre-selection Social network expand/warm approach opportunities. The trick is you have to spend as little time with them one-on-one as possible. I'm not saying never do that, but if you keep it to a minimum, you stay away from that emotional affair/friend-zone scene. You also preserve your options if she's hot and you're wondering if something might happen down the line. … | /r/seduction | 23/07/22 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Gaining some confidence back. My local barista gave me her number and agreed a date, then stood me up... I just saw her againNo you handled it exactly right. There's no point in getting mad at women for shitty behavior if you're not in a relationship with them. Either they have the decency to own it, or they've already rationalized whatever they did and feel justified. There's also a lot of women out there who treat men like they're disposable because they think that's what all men do, all the time. She was looking at you with disdain when you walked in because she was expecting you to be thirsty or needy. Instead you… | /r/seduction | 21/07/22 09:04 PM |
| 2 | So she can ask about my height but I can’t ask about her weight?Because you're supposed to not care what she thinks of your height. Whereas you asking after her weight is like her asking after your bank account. It's hitting a girl right in the sore spot unless she has a sexual ego in the stratosphere. | /r/seduction | 17/06/22 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Why do women love thugs so much?How is a women who likes a man with confidence pathological? You misread me. Liking confidence isn't pathological. Liking confidence to the point where you compromise on things you shouldn't or wouldn't is. The same way as a guy who simps after a girl just because she's hot is pathological. I'm sure there's a lot of women out there who are honestly bewildered why Johnny Depp put up with Amber Heard for so long, but guys get it. | /r/seduction | 16/06/22 04:30 PM |
| 3 | Why do women love thugs so much?Women don't feel safe around "bad boys" unless they're a masochist. They're attracted to the superficial display of confidence and too aroused to really think too much. It's arousal and attraction which drive that dynamic, not rapport, comfort or a feeling of safety. | /r/seduction | 16/06/22 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Why do women love thugs so much?That being said however, there are some women who place such a premium on men's confidence that it's honestly a bit pathological and I think speaks to some serious issues on her part. To me it's the same as the guys who blow hundreds of dollars on some chick's OnlyFans or simp after some random girl on social media. Like have some fucking self-respect and get your priorities in order. Like there's a difference between saying someone has to have that baseline level of attractiveness, and selling … | /r/seduction | 16/06/22 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Why do women love thugs so much?Women are attracted to thugs in the same way and for the same reason that men are attracted to thots and hos. Human sexuality is not a refined nor civilized thing. It's borderline instinctual and primal because our biology required it to be. If it wasn't, then we would screw far less, have far fewer children, and the human race would be at more risk of dying out. Now just because that's the way we're naturally set up, doesn't mean that's the last word. You can easily fuck up your life chasing tr… | /r/seduction | 16/06/22 03:22 PM |
| 1 | She (26) blocked me (27) for replying lateWomen are actually really bad for doing this, it's similar to mistaking kindness for weakness. I call it mistaking effort for interest. Women are all too used to guys doing the bare minimum to get with her. In fact, when a guy is putting forward an effort to get to know her, without escalating or making a move, they often think he's interested and just not confident/a simp. At which point they either try to put him in the friend zone directly, or keep him in orbit until they decide. I can't be 1… | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 09:36 PM |
| 3 | The real reason why most guys do not have a girlfriendI dunno, I recommend Mark Manson to people cause I like his approach. | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:48 PM |
| 8 | The real reason why most guys do not have a girlfriendWhat you point out are the symptoms of a man who has given up. Which is where many of the guys lurking here are at. Calling them out for giving up is futile unless you get to the root of it. Guys who don't have girlfriends get that way because of low self-esteem. That's all you really need to be in the top 20% of guys, even if you have little if anything else going for you. That's why tools and chodes with low standards and nothing but an oversized ego can get laid. They're willing to go full na… | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:32 PM |
| 4 | How do you find the balance between playing it cool without seeming too disinterested?Here's how I do it. Only give direct sexual attention/affection as a reward. She has to earn that shit or at least send the right signals. When I do give sexual attention, I don't half ass it, but I also don't push things to the limit. Always leave them wanting more, rather than throwing the brakes on you. Enter action with boldness and don't get greedy. Be unapologetically sexual, but not openly horny either. The secret to sexual tension is arousal without intent. You start showing intent, she … | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:27 PM |
| 1 | How to get a girl who gets repelled when you show interest for her?When a girl is into you, she won't make things difficult. When a girl is neutral, she'll only be difficult when you push her boundaries. When a girl is unreceptive and/or playing games, her boundaries will be a moving target and any expression of neediness will be exploited, rather than overlooked. Do the math, OP. This one ain't worth your time. Spare yourself the pain of chasing girls who just ain't that into you and just ain't worth it. You're hating this game because it's one you won't win a… | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:20 PM |
| 3 | How do you stop putting hot girls on a pedestal?Not seeing them through the lens of my wants and needs and seeing them instead as they are. Men idealize women because they see her as a pathway to meeting their needs. That's what women bitch about when they talk about feeling objectified. It's boring and irritating for her, because she can tell that you've reduced her in your mind to a blow-up doll and she ain't feeling that unless she actually is. But when you can put your thirst to one side, then you see women very clearly and realize that s… | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:18 PM |
| 1 | Are we as men working too hard to get women?I would say working too hard on the wrong things. Do an honest inventory of your self-esteem. Are you living the life you want to live? Do you feel in control of your life? How dependent are you on the approval of others? How thirsty are you? Are you happy without a woman in your life? Are you on your purpose? Unless your answer to all of those questions is a sincere yes, you should be spending 80% of your effort on you, and 20% of your effort on meeting women. The common trait that all men who … | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:14 PM |
| 1 | She (26) blocked me (27) for replying lateThis smells like a classic case of projection. The missing puzzle piece to this was - she was into you, you weren't. You see women do this sometimes when they're insecure and they realize that there is a major investment gap between you and her, usually her being way more into you than you are into her. Sometimes this makes women go infatuated and chase after you like a guy with one-itis. Other times, they start trying to rationalize away the insecurity and uncertainty they feel by projecting it… | /r/seduction | 15/06/22 06:07 PM |
| 1 | 12 Signs She’s Into YouIn the vain hope of getting past your butthurt ego and talking to the actual person. But clearly that was a waste of time. I'd sign off now with some quippy but cunty remark, but I am le tired. | /r/seduction | 28/05/22 04:29 AM |
| 1 | What's that aura that some guys project which makes others instantly show respect ? And how do we get it, or is it for some people only?"Fearless competence" That should tell you where that vibe comes from, and how to get it. | /r/seduction | 28/05/22 03:57 AM |
| 1 | 12 Signs She’s Into YouSigh... My mercy rule is for your benefit. I don't give a shit if you turn into my Reddit stalker, I just have better things to do with my time and I hope you do too. It's Reddit bud. If you're taking what anyone on here says this as personally as you are, you're taking this shitty site far too seriously. What do you want from me, an apology? Cause you ain't getting one. Next time don't be an obvious concern troll. There you have it, my last shits to give. They truly are a gift. | /r/seduction | 28/05/22 03:55 AM |
| 1 | 12 Signs She’s Into YouYeah I'm invoking my mercy rule on this one. Take a Reddit break bud. | /r/seduction | 28/05/22 03:08 AM |
| 11 | 12 Signs She’s Into YouA lot of these are open to interpretation and can be coincidental or have different meanings. My approach is to look at two things primarily to keep it simple - eye contact, and her decisions. Eye contact is important because it's something people do both consciously and unconsciously. People make eye contact when their focus is on someone. And when it's a cute girl, and she's holding it, and smiling or otherwise making a face - she's into you. Even if she's just staring you down from a across t… | /r/seduction | 26/05/22 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Emotions Ups and Downs of PickipBy treating it like a game. If you treat picking up women like it's the most important thing in the world, you're gonna come across wrong, and you'll get that mood pendulum because you're pursuing ego, not fun, and not love. Your investment level in a woman and especially her opinion of you should be rock-bottom low until she's earned a place in your life. Otherwise you're handing them far too much power. It's a trap loads of guys fall into and many of them never get out because they never have … | /r/seduction | 23/05/22 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Do girls just not give a fuck about you?Excellent point. One can't play the Chad and then be unhappy that women treat you exactly like that. | /r/seduction | 23/05/22 02:35 AM |
| 0 | Why are women oblivious to how easy they have it on the dating market?Because they're too caught up in their own problems, which are very real. How many of us really give a shit about the challenges women face in the dating world? Yes there are women out there who don't give a shit about the guys they date and are willfully ignorant to the challenges guys face these days. My question is, why deal with those hoes? | /r/seduction | 22/05/22 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Is it best to show interest or make her guess?This is a somewhat complex question, because it hinges a lot on her personality and what she responds to, so you have to get a read on her. If she's the extroverted, impulsive, and excitable type, these types like to chase and take some initiative. So it's crucial to not make yourself a sure thing or do all the work. These types need to invest more for their interest to solidify. So you need to be more of a mystery to hold their attention. Whereas if she's more passive, patient, and subtle - the… | /r/seduction | 22/05/22 04:43 PM |
| 38 | Do girls just not give a fuck about you?This is what happens when girls choose you and use you for their own devices. It's also the moment when you realize that getting laid and having girls chase your validation is better than the opposite, but it still doesn't scratch certain itches. The ugly fact is, there are more than a few women out there who do not want to be in an actual relationship with a guy, they want a boyfriend object - someone who fills the role, rather than an actual person with a mind of their own. The reason why this… | /r/seduction | 22/05/22 04:28 PM |
| 2 | Is a woman's romantic interest much less stable than a man's romantic interest?A woman's romantic interest is unstable when she's juggling. Otherwise, she's either not interested, interested, or unsure. But when you see up and down, hot and cold, or a lot of vacillating rather than plain old indecision, it's because she's weighing her options. | /r/seduction | 21/05/22 08:19 PM |
| 4 | Increase your attractiveness and your life will be easierThat's because being on your purpose is for inner game. Self-esteem, good lifestyle, and having your priorities straight. Beyond that, there's all of outer game which is flirting and tactics. You can have the best product in the world (i.e. you at your best) but if you don't know how to sell it, you'll underperform for sure. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Why having your shit together EARLY is importantWhen you're living the life you want to live, you have self-esteem and people notice. The art of being a man is find your self-esteem in someone other than other people. | /r/seduction | 14/05/22 03:34 PM |
| 2 | Something a woman can do that gets you weak at the knees?Sometimes it's the simplest things, but yes, this is exactly right. When a girl flashes you that killer smile with strong eye contact, the effect is palpable. | /r/seduction | 14/05/22 03:26 PM |
| 3 | Something a woman can do that gets you weak at the knees?Grace within vulnerability. There's a lot of women nowadays who run in fear of their own emotions and desires. They fear losing control, and repress. Then wonder why repression inevitably gives rise to rebellion. It also undermines any natural charisma she might have. The women who's game has really impressed me are the ones who don't keep their emotions rigidly controlled. These ones instead lean into and accept their emotions and drives. They work with them, rather than against them, and as a … | /r/seduction | 14/05/22 03:24 PM |
| 1 | The girl I was seeing stayed at my best friends houseYeah, he's a snake and she's a ho. Some people, when they choose to be dirtbags, for some reason they get brazen about it. I think it's a guilt compensation reaction. | /r/seduction | 14/05/22 03:08 PM |
| 1 | How to act after a rejection?Same way you'd act if you asked a grocery store clerk to check for more of a meat special in the back, and they came back empty. The reason why is never let them see you bleed. No-sell that shit in the moment and then neurotically ruminate about it later. | /r/seduction | 14/05/22 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Why do most guys not need to do any of this stuff to find relationships with women?Two reasons primarily. The first is that women have a say in the matter too. And a lot of relationships you see these days happen primarily because the woman chose him. And the second is a variation of the Anna Karenina principle which goes - men who are successful with women are all alike, while men who are unsuccessful are, each in their own way. What we all really look for in the opposite sex is something akin to role-playing - someone who makes us feel certain ways by relating to us in certa… | /r/seduction | 13/05/22 09:10 PM |
| 5 | Persistence can be attractive, but chasing a person is not. Here's the critical difference between the two...That's why it's gotta take more than just interest to win you over. She needs to invest to match your investment level. That's half the point of "polarize to attract" - it's a guy's way of saying without saying "are you in or not?"( And that's why it's also a mistake to polarize prematurely or too aggressively.) That's the mistake a lot of guys make - they focus on her interest level forgetting that she has a say in the matter too. And she can and will turn her dial up or down depending on her a… | /r/seduction | 13/05/22 08:33 PM |
| 11 | Persistence can be attractive, but chasing a person is not. Here's the critical difference between the two...Confident persistence shows up best when a girl is wishy-washy about you or giving you lots of shit tests. She does that because she's unsure about how she feels about you, so your move is to be super confident about where you stand. If she senses uncertainty from you, it will confirm her uncertainty. Whereas if you're confident and unfazed, it's more likely she'll get over herself. | /r/seduction | 13/05/22 05:09 PM |
| 26 | Persistence can be attractive, but chasing a person is not. Here's the critical difference between the two...Persistence is when you hold your course while she stays on the fence. Chasing is when she's showing you clear disinterest and you ignore it. To me the real reason why it matters is because when a girl shuts you down, or plays super hard to get, the move is to take her at her word and walk away. Either she's not interesting or playing games and regardless of which it is, you should be no longer interested. Nothing but pain will come from persisting in those circumstances. Whereas when a girl is … | /r/seduction | 13/05/22 05:07 PM |
| 6 | I'm good looking, funny, respectful, have a good job, have hobbies, talk to plenty of women. then why can't I even hook up with one woman?Well then you're clearly cursed or women hate you. Is that what you want to hear? Look, you can either believe that you're some kind of special hopeless case, or you can believe that you're doing something wrong, and therefore it's fixable. I haven't got any more time to sink into this thread, but that's the best advice I can give you - your attitude can set you back further than any flaw in your game could. | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 05:33 PM |
| 5 | I'm good looking, funny, respectful, have a good job, have hobbies, talk to plenty of women. then why can't I even hook up with one woman?Ouch. Sounds like your flirting technique sucks/is nonexistent. As a general rule it's a good idea to chat and flirt with a girl at least a little before you try to escalate things, otherwise you're basically asking her to take a leap of faith based on not much more than what you look like and how you come across. Which means she's only gonna say yes if you had her at "hello". I used to get those kinds of rejections when in my head I'm thinking "she's cute and she's talking to me, I'mma ask her … | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 05:21 PM |
| 9 | Dating as a 5'7" male is brutalLoads of people want sports cars, tricked out trucks, or luxury sedans and yet the best selling car is the Toyota Corolla. | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 05:00 PM |
| 4 | I give every last one of you much respect and a pat on the back for getting out there and trying✌🏾The more and more relationships become about mutual choice, rather than mutual necessity, the more important learning dating skills as a skillset becomes. The same way as civilization has evolved, certain skills and metaskills have become essential to function and thrive. We're part of the future and it falls to us to make it a good one. We're learning the skills future generations will come to savor like knowing how to fix a car, cook, or code a piece of software. | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 04:18 PM |
| 4 | I'm good looking, funny, respectful, have a good job, have hobbies, talk to plenty of women. then why can't I even hook up with one woman?Then it sounds like your batting average sucks. Guaranteed if you've been rejected hundred of times, you've made several mistakes at least several times. Even at my most noobtacular, the worst my batting average got was maybe one in 20. Or you're exaggerating because you're frustrated and down on yourself. A lot of men are their own worst enemies when it comes to dating. | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 04:15 PM |
| 2 | When you accept a flaw and remain confident despite it, more attraction and/or respect can be generated than if you lacked the so called flaw altogether.Yeah all other things being equal, the in shape version of you will do better than the flabby version of you, but this also applies to being overweight in general. If you carry yourself well, dress properly, and don't get insecure about it, a man can do surprisingly well with a beer gut. Skinnyfat, short-and-scrawny, and landwhale are the male physiques to avoid. Look at how much fake flab they had to pile onto Chris Hemsworth to make Fat Thor sufficiently fat looking. The female gaze actually f… | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 04:06 PM |
| 35 | Dating as a 5'7" male is brutalHow about dating for men in general is brutal right now. Guarantee you your height is not the reason you struggle. And any woman who does reject you over your height ought to be a woman with enough red flags to turn you off anyway. Similarly if you get rejected for a job for a dumb reason, it's a sign that job wouldn't gave been good for you anyway. | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 03:59 PM |
| 15 | I'm good looking, funny, respectful, have a good job, have hobbies, talk to plenty of women. then why can't I even hook up with one woman?Think of it in terms of Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals. If your lifestyle is good and your social skills are good, this should mean that you get quality opportunities and you generally don't piss them away by making some noob mistake. So if you're not getting results, the obvious place to look is the remaining fundamental - courage. This one also has the most bearing on the quantity of women you actually get with. That's the lesson of Boomhauer - if you just keep approaching different women an… | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 03:52 PM |
| 1 | How Being "Non-Needy" Is Killing Your Text GameA lot of traditional text game advice assumes that you're using texts to follow up with a girl you've already met, because that's easier than trying to start something over text. A lot of text game also stresses the importance of not blowing up her phone and how to play things safe, because let's face it, most noob guys do the opposite. But at the time, one important thing to keep in mind is that texting a girl with one hand cupped around your balls is needy as well. In some ways needier than tr… | /r/seduction | 12/05/22 04:49 AM |
| 2 | Flipped perspective with an attractive woman with no game.I've seen and experienced similar things. Not saying no way OP is lying, just saying that his story is not implausible. | /r/seduction | 03/05/22 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Flipped perspective with an attractive woman with no game.I'd be careful with this one dude. If she's well adjusted but just awkward she'll feel embarrassed and vulnerable around you. And if she's not well adjusted she'll be thirsty AF. I'm not saying run, but what I am saying is this might be one of situations where the right thing to do by her is not sleep with her, even if she wants it bad. | /r/seduction | 03/05/22 12:57 AM |
| 6 | Flipped perspective with an attractive woman with no game.This is an important thing for guys to understand, especially as they gain some experience and perspective. And that is that a frightening amount of women have no game, or worse, deeply flawed game. This is a hard thing for guys to wrap their head around, largely because the average girl has far better social skills and more social experience than the average guy. By the time you've lost your virginity, let's say in college, she's on her third boyfriend. But that's the typical thing and we're fo… | /r/seduction | 03/05/22 12:21 AM |
| 2 | how come most people get pretty girlfriends without knowing anything about "game" or all the psychological stuff, just being a random joe? Is game for hookups or low-value men only?If your intent was to disprove my suspicion, you kinda failed miserably. Happy trails! | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 04:28 PM |
| 3 | how come most people get pretty girlfriends without knowing anything about "game" or all the psychological stuff, just being a random joe? Is game for hookups or low-value men only?OP sounds like some weird tourist/shill. The answer to what OP is describing is simple - they're naturals and/or she picked him. Women have needs too and when they find a guy who fits them and is available, they seduce him and lock him down. Women invented seduction after all, though it's rapidly becoming a lost art as evidenced by the increasing number of women coming on here looking for advice. I personally welcome this because I believe the fundamental principles of good game are universal an… | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 04:25 PM |
| 14 | Amazing conversationalist, bad at seduction.Okay, I can relate to this more than one might think, so I'mma unpack some of my thoughts on the matter. One of the big difficulties with having self-esteem issues is that you have trouble seeing yourself the way others see you. You have a hard time putting their reactions to you into context because you don't see the big picture with how you come across. If anything you probably confuse the shit out of women. Many of them will probably think you're either gay, or unattainable. No joke - I saw t… | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 04:13 PM |
| 1 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenDude I was in a fraternity. What I haven't done, I've seen. I once went through three different girls in three days. And my game was weak compared to others I knew. Is it hypothetically possible? Sure. Is it possible the way OP describes it? Maybe if his dad has fuck you money and OP blows it all on hookers and calls that seducing women. | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 02:10 AM |
| 1 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenEvery single guy exaggerates their numbers at that age. Every single one. This isn't even a believable exaggeration. And that's kinda my last shit to give on the subject. I've been around the block enough to know what's realistic and what's not. | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 02:02 AM |
| 1 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenTrust me dude. I've known guys who could pull with ease at that age, both naturals and students of seduction. OP is completely full of shit, I guarantee it. This thread is a waste of time, other than people learning that sometimes shills come on here and just spout nonsense to see who takes it seriously. | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 01:04 AM |
| 2 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenBecause speaking as a guy who actually has experience with women, either OP is somebody's son, is counting hookers, or he's completely full of shit. Anyone can get on here and spout ridiculous nonsense. I upvote quality content and call out frauds. | /r/seduction | 20/04/22 01:02 AM |
| 140 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenYeah I've known male models and college football players who didn't pull like that, at that age. And they were naturals with women too. So either OP is leaving some crucial info out to explain this away, or it's straight bullshit. I'm leaning towards bullshit. | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 09:39 PM |
| 2 | So self improvement is preached here. But at what point are you good enough?You're good enough when you're not thirsty. When you can be happy alone and you're on your purpose. When you can enjoy the company of women without letting your dick take over. When you see the "hold my drink" scam coming because you haven't got tunnel vision. When you feel comfortable expressing a healthy and calibrated sexuality that's neither imposing nor timid but feels right to you. When you find yourself deciding that some women are better as friends than as love interests. When you run ga… | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 04:50 PM |
| 1 | I think "game" has hurt me more than it has ever helped me. It's just a bunch of needy behaviors/tricks to attempt to make women like you. It seems like its constantly reinforcing the idea that you're not good enough.I don't mean to be obnoxious but you're doing it wrong, OP. Game isn't supposed to be putting on a totally false and incongruent persona to impress others. That's needy AF, as OP himself points out. What game should be about is flirting and having fun with it. My rule of thumb is, if the interaction ain't fun, something is wrong. I think the truth of seduction is that it's all about roleplaying. That's how we actually persuade people to form a sexual connection with us, by demonstrating that we … | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Men showing emotionAs I said I appreciate your sentiments, but unfortunately you're a bit of an outlier when it comes to the women most guys are encountering. Truth be told, I suspect these days the most well-adjusted and mature women take themselves off the dating market fast. | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 09:22 PM |
| 4 | Men showing emotionThis is a very good point about the distinction between dating and a solid relationship. But even then, showing weakness or vulnerability can still work against you, especially if your GF is not so solid. | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 04:28 PM |
| 16 | Men showing emotionGuys hear this, think of every time a woman dropped him like a hot potato because he expressed emotion in a way that violated some unspoken expectation of hers, and disregard this as well-meaning words and nothing more. Maybe that's not fair, but that's where guys are at now, circa 2022. | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 03:57 PM |
| 9 | Men showing emotionThe issue is different women have different reactions to men showing emotion. And most men either have no idea what to expect with a given woman, or lead with their chin and suffer. Some will be turned on and drawn in by vulnerability/emotional expression, others will think it weak, and others will think it makes the guy an easy mark and start putting him in the friend zone. The other variable is what kind of emotion. Sadness or despair? Ladyboner-killer. Hello darkness my old friend. Anger? Dep… | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 03:54 PM |
| 5 | Has anyone ever successfully re-attracted someone?Sorta in the sense that I got a FWB to hook up with me again after I gave her some good reason to be pissed with me. But this wasn't so much skill on my part as much as it was me giving her the apology she deserved and the situation working out in my favor. As a general rule I've found, when a situation goes bad, it goes bad for a reason, especially if you're not sure what that reason is. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 11:02 PM |
| 4 | DMing models on Instagram does actually work, but you have to do it in a VERY specific way to get responsesOh yes, you invented sliding into a hot girl's DMs with a cold read. If you're gonna tell me 2/10 girls you open this way you wind up going out on dates with... I know you're full of shit. Not to mention, I'm positive someone was in here weeks/months ago with the exact same copypasta, claiming the exact same ridiculous success rate. Not to mention you have zero history other than shilling for this snake oil nonsense 2 days ago. Like come on, this is obviously some kind of scam or weird bullshit. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 08:12 PM |
| 0 | DMing models on Instagram does actually work, but you have to do it in a VERY specific way to get responsesYeah what are you selling. Reported for spam. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 07:04 PM |
| 1 | When a woman likes a man, she gives him a window of time for him to make something happenI too can relate to the experience of getting female attention when I wasn't looking for it and/or too awkward and young to know what to do with it. Part of the reason why I wanted to learn game in the first place is because I wanted to choose rather than merely be chosen. I wanted to date extraordinary women, not just whoever would have me. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 06:55 PM |
| 10 | How to approach a guy, how to tell you are availablegame has no gender. Disagree 100%. Many of the fundamental principles and concepts of game cut both ways, but men and women have different strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats, as well as different goals and agendas. We may all want the same things from a 30,000 foot view, but we walk very different paths to get there. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 01:45 PM |
| 0 | What to do when she plays hard to get despite showing an interest?If you think it's wrong for a woman to give ultimatums under all circumstances, then you also think that women basically shouldn't have boundaries. So edgy. Do you brah. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 04:17 AM |
| 1 | What to do when she plays hard to get despite showing an interest?Lol u mad bro? TearsofAnger indeed. 🤣 | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 04:08 AM |
| 1 | What to do when she plays hard to get despite showing an interest?It's soy to not want to date a doormat? What are you, 14? | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Does friendzoning women make them more attracted to you?Women only hate being put in the friend zone when they're crushing hard on a guy. Even if they're just attracted to him, they know it's relatively easy for a woman to convince her male friends to sleep with her (assuming they're not gay and she's not unattractive). Picture it like this - what if an attractive woman came up to you and said "I don't want to date you, but I'm totally down for a friends with benefits type deal". The only way as a guy would hate that is like a 500 Days of Summer type… | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 03:18 AM |
| 0 | What to do when she plays hard to get despite showing an interest?Every now and then a woman is right to put her foot down. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. That being said however, the chick OP is dealing with is waay out of line. | /r/seduction | 09/04/22 02:46 AM |
| 6 | What to do when she plays hard to get despite showing an interest?Dude if she's giving you ultimatums this early on, you need to run. Forget teaching her a lesson, just run. She has no right to be jealous if you're not exclusive, and especially if she's simultaneously playing hard to get. But who knows, maybe Will-and-Jada scenes are your thing. Cause that's where this will go if you put up with this kind of behavior. You won't teach her a lesson, if anything she'll teach you one about having standards. | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Why do people insist men who have negative attitudes and misogynistic beliefs can't find women because of it when there are so many women who fall for disrespectful and bad men?And you think that approach doesn't come with strings attached? If being a charming sociopathic narcissistic asshole to women doesn't come to you naturally, don't bother trying. Not because faking that behavior is impossible, but because of what you'd have to give up. The self-improvement path is the hard path, but it's the one that provides stable long-term results without having to sell your soul just to get laid. The best metaphor I can come up for it is natural gains versus juicing. You must… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:29 PM |
| 60 | When all else fails, what’s your Hail Mary ?That's the best advice. Every time I've tried to save a relationship that had devolved to just text convos, all I got for it was pain and futility. Trust me, if a sitch is fading like that, let it fade. It is fading for a reason. | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:25 PM |
| 2 | When a woman likes a man, she gives him a window of time for him to make something happenWomen want to be desired. That's what they really crave from men. To feel special, important, valued. In respects, that's what we all want out of the opposite sex. So if you're a guy who just so happens to stir a woman's interest and you dilly-dally, go super slow, give her nothing to react to, and generally waste her time, you're holding back the one thing she wants most from you, like a girl who acts super-prudish for some unknown reason. And you wonder why women lose interest when guys let th… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:11 PM |
| 2 | best option for letting a guy know I'm interested at the gymFeminists have a nasty tendency of thinking they speak for all women at all times, or that what's true for them is true for all women. At times it's a downright fascinating exercise in both projection and narcissism. | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:05 PM |
| 1 | best option for letting a guy know I'm interested at the gymIt all comes down to what vibe she brings to it. If she comes in flirty and bubbly, then he's being a pussy/idiot. If she treats him like a piece of gym equipment and doesn't use the opportunity to flirt at all, then of course the guy is going to be confused and unsure what her intent was. What women think is subtle and what men think is subtle are two completely different things. And some of the best practitioners of girl game that I've seen knew how to make their intent clear without beating p… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:04 PM |
| 1 | best option for letting a guy know I'm interested at the gymThe trick is the vibe and sending the message that you're only using the request for a spot as a means to break the ice. That's why my advice to OP was to come in a little flirty, introduce yourself afterwards and then walk away to get him to chase. To be fair, this is something where girls often outsmart themselves. They come up with the right move, but are so afraid of putting themselves out there, even when they already are and want to, that they come in with the wrong energy/mindset and leav… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 08:01 PM |
| 1 | best option for letting a guy know I'm interested at the gymEvery time I've come across a girl in a shared social setting like a gym or a school and we've got the mutual "eye-rape" thing going....Every single time, she was interested and I was being a big pussy by not taking the hint. One of them looked like the archetypal out-of-your-league bartender and when I did finally work up the nerve to talk to her, she gave me her number like she had been waiting months for me to ask for it. And if she had approached me first and broken the ice, something is wro… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 07:58 PM |
| 2 | best option for letting a guy know I'm interested at the gymDo what women have done for millennia with shy men. Play "tag". Go up and approach him with some excuse like asking him to spot you. Then give him your name after and wander off without a care in the world. If he can't take that hint, he's either gay, a pussy, or just not interested. | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Why do people insist men who have negative attitudes and misogynistic beliefs can't find women because of it when there are so many women who fall for disrespectful and bad men?This is the best short answer to this question. Anyone paying attention knows that a woman values confidence in a man above almost anything else (though we should define confidence as the ability to be unaffected by thirst/neediness). The irony I've noticed is that the lower a woman's self-esteem is, the higher a priority confidence in a man is for her. That's how you see women winding up with obvious bad news men. But even with high self-esteem women, if you haven't got that baseline level of c… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 03:27 PM |
| 7 | Why do people insist men who have negative attitudes and misogynistic beliefs can't find women because of it when there are so many women who fall for disrespectful and bad men?It's my working theory that the true distinction between "assholes" and "chumps" is the amount of thirst they display in their behavior. There can be no difference between them, or the chump is actually superior in many respects. They can even actually feel the same level of thirst, but the simp lets it alter his behavior while the Chad is either unfazed or relies on a number of smokescreens, either deliberate or unintentional. Women are not used to attractive men deferring to them, treating lik… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 03:15 PM |
| 1 | How do you stop feeling inferior to women?Sounds to me less like a self-esteem problem and more of a specific issue with women. Best guess is repressed thirst. When we're thirsty, we have a nasty tendency to idealize hot women, then we can't live up to the idealized version of her, then we feel inferior. You don't see her insecurities, her underdeveloped personality, her unresolved trauma, the ugly ducking teenager she sees in the mirror, or her overwhelming need to just feel appreciated by someone. The problem with repressing shit is t… | /r/seduction | 08/04/22 05:07 AM |
| 2 | What to do next? Great first date with a gorgeous babe, we kissed, she mentioned seeing me again multiple times but doesn't reply to my textNp man. Her response on insta is a good thing, if she was doing a pullback, she likely wouldn't have done that. You've got the right idea now, in that you want to keep the texting minimal and logistics focused until you've made it past the initial stages. It's important at this stage of the game that you stay a mystery, don't give her too much, and give her room to pursue you and wonder about you. Otherwise you'll turn into her texting buddy and she'll get distracted by bright shiny objects. The… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 09:40 PM |
| 3 | What to do next? Great first date with a gorgeous babe, we kissed, she mentioned seeing me again multiple times but doesn't reply to my textI would have waited another day before messaging her after the date, and I would have been about planning the next one. You've gotta keep the ball moving forward, especially in that unstable condition where you've made out but haven't hooked up. I also wouldn't have sent the Insta story a few hours later. Just looks too much like fishing for a response out of her. But these things would only be fatal errors if she's just not that into you. If she is sufficiently into you, then showing a little t… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 06:54 PM |
| 3 | What to do next? Great first date with a gorgeous babe, we kissed, she mentioned seeing me again multiple times but doesn't reply to my textA week is too long IMO. I would wait 2-3 days since last response and if there's more weirdness, then I pull back to 2 weeks. When you have momentum on your side, you run with it. If she's going cold on you for no reason, then you pull back and pull back hard. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Negative experience with a FWBYeah, sounds like the timing is wrong for dating and you guys were just the right person at the right time, and now her focus is on another dude, and your focus is on another girl. Let her go, and don't be surprised if she circles back. Wise man once said that at some point in every intimate relationship with a woman, she'll do a pull back at some point, and provided you don't get thirsty or needy, she'll be back in 2 weeks or so. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 05:06 PM |
| 3 | Negative experience with a FWBTaking a step back in this context would be cancelling plans or being a little more aloof, not sleepwalking through a hangout and then going off to someplace else. Maybe she's trying to take a step back by focusing on other dudes, but once again that sorta brings us back to what I first said. She's kinda taking him for granted, not trying to angle for something more. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Negative experience with a FWBYeah at the end of the day, you shouldn't get too worked up about it, and the last thing you should do is get dramatic with her. But it sounds like you have options, which is key. Some context that might help clarify things: How long have you known her? How did you guys meet and start hooking up? How often do you guys just hang out? What I'm trying to suss out is whether you guys were friends first and started hooking up basically because the circumstances lined up, or did you like meet off Tind… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Negative experience with a FWBThe #1 sign a girl is catching feelings in an FWB situation is when she starts trying harder or taking more initiative. The interaction has become more of a priority to her than one might otherwise think. The girl in OP's situation had basically stopped giving a shit. Hence my suspicion, that she's infatuated with someone else. So yeah, she is catching feels, just not for OP. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 03:38 PM |
| 6 | Negative experience with a FWB100% this chick found another dude. That is the simplest explanation for her behavior. Maybe she was just depressed that day, but that doesn't jive with her basically manipulating you into doing what she wanted to do, and then ditching you. If I had to point out mistakes, they would be a) letting her overrule your plans and turn you/your time/your place into her chillout time. She should have at least been upfront about what she wanted to do before coming over. b) letting her know that you were … | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 03:13 PM |
| 1 | Negative experience with a FWBMaybe she just wanted some company and not sex?? Does every FWB interaction HAVE to involve sex? Maybe not every single interaction, but if you just want someone to hang out with, you don't call up an active sexual partner. You call up a friend! The only times this isn't the case is when you're friends first, and fuckbuddies second and it's like an extra casual thing, sexually speaking. Otherwise you're sending mixed messages and/or being kinda manipulative. If a girl came over to my place looki… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 03:05 PM |
| 2 | 10 Months of Successful Dating in New York City: A Summary and AnalysisWow, this is an amazing comment, thanks caesarfecit! I really appreciate your analysis considering that I'm not familiar with the conventions and models used by this community. I don't know who this MM person is. MM = Mark Manson, the writer of Models, which is arguably the single best standalone book on dating many of us have ever read. I think you're absolutely spot on with point #7. Some of these women were extremely cool and I should have converted them into "nodes" in my social circle, as y… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Relationship material vs hookup material?At a glance, it looks the profile of someone who cares a little too much about female approval. In the sense that you come off inoffensive, tame, and nothing too crazy. A bit of a "pick-me guy" kinda vibe. Not saying you need to do the opposite of those things, that would be tryhard. Just I'd say what you're missing is a little bit of swagger. A little bit of that unsaid "I know have something to offer, the only question is, are you what I'm looking for?" For instance, "two truths and a lie" - t… | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 01:36 PM |
| 7 | Is it a good sign if a girls vents with you or is it a sign she sees you as a friend?When a girl is attracted to a guy or has designs in him, she's super concerned about making the right impression. If she's venting to you and unloading her baggage with you, that behavior flies in the face of the first point. Therefore unless you guys are already hooking up, you're just a friend. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 01:19 PM |
| 2 | Why does this girl take 8 hours to text back?A couple hours is within the realm of normal, depending on context. 8+ hours says to me you don't give a shit or you're playing games. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 01:15 PM |
| 2 | Why does this girl take 8 hours to text back?Women do this type of shit because you let them. It's passive-aggressive and a sign of disrespect or lack of interest. There's no point in getting mad at them, on some level they might even like that. And it makes you look needy or over-invested. I follow Mark Manson's advice for women playing games which is to take the lack of interest they're trying to show at face value and do you. Now her bluff is called and she either comes correct or stays gone and you waste no more time. | /r/seduction | 07/04/22 01:12 PM |
| 53 | 10 Months of Successful Dating in New York City: A Summary and AnalysisFirst off, kudos for first-rate OC. We need more of that. Here's my takeaways from your report, in particular the things you did right, in my opinion: First of all, OP follows MM's lifestyle recommendations to a T. He's got his job, career, and place sufficiently locked down that he can compete in a super-high-cost-of-living city like NYC. Notice as well how it doesn't take that much - by NYC standards OP is not wealthy, not at all. In a different locale, you could reach this lifestyle at well u… | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 06:47 PM |
| 10 | Don't take rejections to your heart.80-90% of rejections happen for two reasons. Your approach was weak or you made mistakes. Women have defenses for a reason so you need to be at least competent at flirting and have your mindset sorted. But mistakes are also correctible, and often impersonal. Most of your rejections from women will come from women who don't know you, don't have time to know you, and are ultimately not worth any further investment. It has more to do with her than it does with you. Most of the women you meet will b… | /r/seduction | 05/04/22 04:39 PM |
| 1 | As a women, what should I do?Push-pull is cute when it's early days or you know where they stand. The added context makes it sound like this guy is all over the place. He ain't worth your time sister. The only answer to persistent Push-pull is to walk away. The best comparison I can think of between guy game and girl game is that it's like a dance, one person leads, the other follows and it switches back and forth. But when one person doesn't follow any sort of steps and is all over the place, you can't dance with them. | /r/seduction | 03/04/22 06:55 PM |
| 1 | As a women, what should I do?These days, a woman can expect a man to chase her into bed, she can't expect him to chase her into a relationship. For one thing, the men who chase women into relationships are often simps and it doesn't work out well for them. I find where a lot of women screw up in these sorts of situations is they either get way too carried away with the attempts to manipulate the man into doing what she wants, or they go passive and expect the man to continue carrying the interaction. So my advice to women i… | /r/seduction | 03/04/22 06:10 PM |
| 2 | Is it bad to openly tell a girl "I think we should have sex"?I think the most helpful thing I could say is to explain why this is a bad idea. Making the leap from attraction to getting in bed is all about mastering sexual tension. Play your cards right, and she'll come on to you. Play your cards wrong, and she'll blue ball you out of spite, then call over some other guy. Sexual tension is what you get with mutual but unexpressed attraction, which leads to uncertainty about what each person wants. In the face of uncertainty with the potential for both risk… | /r/seduction | 03/04/22 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Is it bad to openly tell a girl "I think we should have sex"?Straight up, I'd say it's far more common for a woman to flat out put sex on the table than it is for a guy to do so successfully. | /r/seduction | 03/04/22 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Will women really pretend not a see a man they are romantically interested in to gauge his interest, or is that usually a clear sign of no interest?Eye contact is not really a conscious thing unless it's a held gaze. You're reading too much into it. Most of the time, one will have to catch themselves staring at someone, before they start to perceive even a smidge of attraction. Men hold their looks longer than women do, and there's tons of girls who fantasize about older men, though their definition of "older" may vary. If you're looking for some kind of sure-fire tell, no such thing exists. The main use of eye contact for a guy is picking … | /r/seduction | 03/04/22 04:47 PM |
| 1 | How to be a womanizer?"Womanizer" is a dumb term unless it is your literal goal to pump n' dump women by any means necessary. And if that's your bag, do you and don't expect any advice from me. Assuming that isn't your bag, read Models. | /r/seduction | 01/04/22 03:20 PM |
| 3 | Was I too being too forward or am I just overthinking?Sounds to me like she thought you were cute, but your approach was weak, she said yes without thinking, then got her trapped in her head, now she's got cold feet. A high value man ain't got time fo dat. The last thing you need is one-itis on a coworker, so my advice is to just shrug and get on with your life. Either she'll realize that you've lost interest and try to do something about that, or it was just not meant to be and that's more than okay. Life's too short to chase after girls who just … | /r/seduction | 01/04/22 02:04 PM |
| 10 | Seduction Tips for the Intelligent Man of Our EraSounds like you're writing for yourself/mentally jacking off to your own ego ideal. If you're as smart as you think you are, you can do better and write something that adds more value to people who don't have the highly specific issues you write about and assume many others do. | /r/seduction | 01/04/22 02:01 PM |
| 4 | What is happening to me and how to fix it?Sounds to me like your confidence is still hurting from your last relationship. When a guy's confidence is down, the worst thing he can do is go chase girls. Do you for a little while and start feeling good about yourself again. Also do some deep soul searching and find out what is making you freeze up in a situation where what to do should come naturally. | /r/seduction | 01/04/22 01:58 PM |
| 6 | Will women really pretend not a see a man they are romantically interested in to gauge his interest, or is that usually a clear sign of no interest?Eye contact is my go-to cue on a woman's interest level. Mark Manson has a great article on it here. If a girl is holding eye contact with you from across a room, approach. If she's acting like you're invisible, you've got nothing to go on. Now like many other IOIs/choosing signals/approach cues, this one can be faked or misinterpreted, so what I regard as the never-fail cues are her decisions/reactions (initiation, reciprocation, and compliance). But you need to have an active interaction with … | /r/seduction | 01/04/22 01:53 PM |
| 72 | [Question] How to deal with "White Knights"?This. The only thing OP did wrong was let it get to his head. Having the girl you're chatting up shut down a male friend cockblocking is like exactly what you want to happen. | /r/seduction | 15/02/22 12:55 AM |
| 14 | To appear more attractive, you must become less reactive. Don't get pulled into the trap of trying to respond logically to illogical comments. Instead try PAUSING prior to responding to other people.This is fantastic advice. Guys who are open books don't intrigue women, because they're so easy to read. There is a time and place for expressing yourself without restraint, but make it a conscious, deliberate choice, rather than an impulsive or unconscious decision. When you're flirting with girls, you either have that "Fuck Yes" enthusiasm or stay frosty. Then you can both exercise some charisma without giving away the store in terms of your thoughts and emotions. | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidWell, for me, rushing was a piece of cake because I knew a couple of the guys in the house before I got involved with them. So at that point, all I really had to do was come out to a few events, meet more of the guys, and then they took me aside and asked if I wanted in. I also didn't rush in my freshman year, and if I could do it all over again, I would have made my academics more of a priority, simply for the sake of less stress. Being part of a fraternity and having a social life chews up a l… | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 12:00 AM |
| 0 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidGood idea, but word to the wise, it's best to use the full word - "fraternity" when referring to a specific fraternity, especially your own. Frat party, or frat-land (as a synonym for the Greek scene at your campus) are usually acceptable however. I will tell you this though, joining a fraternity paid huge dividends for my social development. I highly recommend it, just make sure you rush the right house. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidWith that outlook, you're gonna go far kid. /s | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 08:19 PM |
| 7 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidWell, at the risk of sounding neckbeardy, this is what happens when you have the feminists telling entire generations of women that men are scumbag manchildren who only want one thing and they cannot be trusted. If the genders were reversed, everyone would call that sentiment outright bigotry. And it won't stop until women stand up to feminism and say "who gave you the right to say such hateful shit to our daughters about our sons, in our name?" | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 05:37 PM |
| 3 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidNowhere is it written that a guy has to put up with that. Women treat men as badly as men let themselves be treated. Yes there are a lot of women out there with bad attitudes and red flags. That's why you need to be screening and have standards. Don't waste your time with hot messes. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 05:00 PM |
| 24 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidNowhere is it written that you can't take a break and just do you. It's your life bro. In fact, if you're feeling frustrated and burnt out with women, the best thing you can do for yourself is take a break and work on yourself. Otherwise you're take that frustrated energy into your dealings with women and it will sabotage you. Just don't let it turn into your excuse for not getting back on the horse. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:58 PM |
| 16 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidIf that's happening, it's because you're taking the dating apps too seriously. Do you think girls go on Tinder hoping to meet Mr Right? The reality is that most girls go on Tinder either looking for quick dick, or attention. So the solution is to stop sweating every convo, hone your profile to get as many matches as possible and just treat it like batting practice. The guys who get laid off Tinder get laid because they either have maxed out their looks, or because they're DGAF enough to polarize… | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:56 PM |
| 7 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidComparing guys who clearly have issues escalating with guys who just mine their little black book is a bit apples and oranges. Being social will get you around women sure, but if you're not actually putting yourself out there and polarizing to attract, what difference does it make? But at the same time, that's a more advanced problem. Many of the guys on here have trouble simply cold approaching a girl. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:53 PM |
| 5 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidEveryone isn't you. Furthermore, no matter how valid your issues are, you aren't gonna make anything happen unless you put yourself out there. There is simply no way around it. So you can blame your lack of results on your lifestyle circumstances, and you might not even be wrong doing so. But that doesn't change anything. So once again, the choice is to either accept your limitations and be bound by them, or find a way around them. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:51 PM |
| 36 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidI was in engineering school once upon a time, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Sure the pure biology streams might have better ratios, but the ratios in engineering, regardless of discipline are usually terrible. What I did was stop hanging out with only engineers. Problem solved. | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:48 PM |
| 15 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laid100% approve. Unless you've got serious lifestyle issues or zero game whatsoever, the thing holding you back is you're not getting out there enough. Remember Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals? Lifestyle affects the quality of women you meet and how "pre-warmed" they are. The goal here being not necessarily to be some kinda rockstar celebrity, but to hone in on your target demographic so the girls you meet are super compatible with you, and you with them. Building lifestyle is all about changing t… | /r/seduction | 10/01/22 04:46 PM |
| 16 | Women are more superficial than menWomen are no more superficial than men are. They just have different priorities, and OP is viewing things through the wrong lens. Mark Manson said it best in Models - what women ultimately care about is a man's character. And if us guys have any brains or maturity, we'd be concerned about the exact same thing. Seduction is roleplay, and we're all looking for people who can play the masculine and feminine roles. Sometimes we prioritize some of these over others, often guided unconsciously by our … | /r/seduction | 09/01/22 01:55 AM |
| 38 | Do girls really notice when guys are wearing colognes?The key with scent is a that a girl should only smell it when she's hugging you. Less is more. | /r/seduction | 08/01/22 04:51 PM |
| 3 | i need to escalate but can't figure out how.Her being nervous for no good reason is actually a really good sign, not a bad one. It means she's really feeling the sexual tension and is having trouble keeping it cool. Her text afterwards confirms that she wanted you to make a move and feels like she fucked it up. Now unlike the guys saying you should feel her up like no tomorrow, I say that unless you're practiced and comfortable with it, you're likely to come on too strong, too fast. There are some general tips to physical escalation howev… | /r/seduction | 08/01/22 04:50 PM |
| 78 | How quickly do yall reply to texts/messages?I like to follow two guidelines. Mirror her response times. That way you're not texting excessively fast or slow. Don't be weird about it. If you wanna reply in 10 or 20 minutes, do it. If you're genuinely busy, it's okay to let it slip a little. Let the girls play their silly games over texts, us guys have work to do. | /r/seduction | 06/01/22 07:40 PM |
| -6 | 'The game' for girls? How do I get THE guy?Thirsty AF If that's your standards for women, your average hooker could meet them. Quagmire's address is 29 Spooner Street. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 11:52 PM |
| 25 | 'The game' for girls? How do I get THE guy?I personally welcome threads like this and think we need more of them. One of the things I've noticed about game is that many of the most fundamental and valuable principles apply to both genders. Take Mark Manson's spiel on neediness and vulnerability. If you've read it, you can see clearly how that shit applies to guy game. If you think it doesn't apply to girl game, you're not thinking. There is a lot to be gained by considering dating holistically, rather than just from a male-centric mindse… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 11:08 PM |
| 3 | Never felt anything like this beforePut it this way bud - if you're not flirting with her, how can she possibly know how you feel, and how can you possibly know how she feels? Your own inaction is keeping both her and you in the dark. This situation smells like trouble to me, because she could very well be into you, or very easily just consider you a friend. And the way you talk about her reeks of one-itis, which is a bad sign. So yeah, you could shoot your shot, maybe she says yes, maybe she says no. If I were you, I'd do the fol… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 06:50 PM |
| 3 | Y’all men gotta start getting comfortable with the sheer amount of volume we have to work not only for sex but even more so for a relationship.I agree with the overwhelming majority of what you said, with one slight point. Outer game may be less important in the long run than inner game, but it's not like it's all snake oil or it doesn't matter. The point is that outer game comes after inner game. 80% of your effort should be focused on getting on your purpose and general self-improvement, with the remaining 20% on getting out there and getting your reps in. If you want to get good, Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals is the blueprint, an… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 05:19 PM |
| 5 | I'm almost 17 and never had a girlfriend. Sick of the "it'll happen eventually" stuff, so I'm going to make it happen.It is hands down the best stand-alone book on dating I've ever read. It should be required reading here. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:58 PM |
| 6 | Y’all men gotta start getting comfortable with the sheer amount of volume we have to work not only for sex but even more so for a relationship.That's why I phrased things the way I did. Money will not get you laid, and if it does, run. But at the same time, it's hard to feel successful and happy in your own life if your career is nonexistent and you're having trouble paying the bills. You don't need to be rich, but why be poor if you don't have to be? What is important is to be on your purpose. That way, you can still have confidence and direction in life regardless of how much money you're making. A bunch of people whined in another t… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:09 PM |
| 150 | I'm almost 17 and never had a girlfriend. Sick of the "it'll happen eventually" stuff, so I'm going to make it happen.Read Models. Buy, beg, borrow, or steal a copy of this book. You're 17. Chill. If I were you, I'd be using your remaining time in high school to practice for college. If you have social anxiety/poor social skills, then the secret is to be social. Don't put so much pressure on yourself to impress people, and just get to know people. The harder you try to find a girlfriend, the harder one will be to find. I actually thought I wasn't that popular with the girls in high school, until I realized long… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 03:38 PM |
| 43 | Y’all men gotta start getting comfortable with the sheer amount of volume we have to work not only for sex but even more so for a relationship.This is both true and false. Yes, what ultimately matters to a woman is how a man makes her feel. But if you don't do the work to actually build your self-esteem and a lifestyle you're proud of, then the best you can aspire to be is a really good actor. And with women, sooner or later the show cannot go on. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 05:14 AM |
| 57 | Y’all men gotta start getting comfortable with the sheer amount of volume we have to work not only for sex but even more so for a relationship."Ever loved someone so much you'd do anything for them? Now make that person yourself and do whatever the hell you want." Yes, it's true now that relationships are no longer formed by mutual necessity and instead by choice, and that means it's a lot harder to form and maintain relationships. What men are missing these days is they're focusing too much on whether the girls like them, and not on whether or not they like themselves. Because the secret of game is, when you genuinely like and respect… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 05:11 AM |
| 1 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentOkay bro, do you. There's nothing I can say back to that without playing into your posturing, so whatever man, you win whatever point you were trying to make. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:53 AM |
| 1 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentToo late. Consider this a free lesson. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:42 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentNo, you want me to tell you what you want to hear. Go whine somewhere else. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:41 AM |
| 1 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentDo you normally ask for help by trying to pick a fight? /r/ChoosingBeggars is calling. No wonder you're struggling with women with your 4chan tier social skills. The funny thing is, I don't really want to take shots at you, but you need to get over your ego if you expect to learn anything or get help from anyone. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:38 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentI'm sorry, all I hear is wounded ego. Bye Felicia! | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:34 AM |
| 3 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentNot really. Narcissism can get you easy results because low quality women will mistake entitlement for confidence. Narcissism is not good for seduction because it impairs empathy. It also implies a certain inner neediness because your focus is directed inward towards yourself, rather than outwards towards reality. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:32 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentWell then, I think we're done here. I'd wish you luck, but you're gonna need more than that. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:30 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentWho cares if it's putting the cart before the horse? You still need to learn those skills. The skills are no help to you if your mindset is crap. That's my whole fucking point. You want to be spontaneous, first step to that bud is stop overthinking! I could literally feed you lines over an earbud and it wouldn't help you if you were too nervous to say the lines without sounding off. Stop whining for an easy solution. That is Nice Guy behavior. That's the shit grifter PUA types sell you for hundr… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:14 AM |
| 1 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentThat's my whole point, it's not a platitude, it's life-redeeming. And moreover I didn't say "oh just work on yourself and you'll be a superstar". I'm saying that a guy who should have been a heroin junkie or a drunk instead became a superstar because he got on his purpose. And quite frankly, your attitude is pathetic. Whine more about the free advice others are giving you because you want easy quick fix solutions rather than actually take a good long look at yourself and get to the root of your … | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 04:08 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentHonestly at this point, I just don't care. If you don't get the point of his life story, then that's your problem. The guy had far bigger problems than just getting laid and he solved them spectacularly by getting on his purpose. And the traits he developed by doing that, are the very same things Nice Guys are horribly missing. You can lead a horse to water.... | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 03:57 AM |
| 0 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentWe're not talking about approach anxiety, we're talking about busting out of the Nice Guy mindset. Maybe Ramsay was never a Nice Guy, but he could have been something a lot worse if he hadn't done with his life what he did. The point is not to go run out and work 16 hour days in a kitchen. The point is to invest in your own life and stop trolling the internet looking for new tips on the same problems, when your issues have far more to do with your mindset. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 03:49 AM |
| 1 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentThe difference between nice guys and naturals is very slight And the answer is apparently to change your entire life path and put in years of therapy if that's what it takes. That's not "slight" at all. Changing your mindset can be as hard or as easy as you make it for yourself. Literally no one else has more influence on it than you. I can't tell you what your purpose is. All I can say is how important and potentially rewarding it is when you do and work as hard as you can on it. It's a skill s… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 03:42 AM |
| 6 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentMany people who come out of a background like his go one of two ways. They go antisocial, descend into petty crime and drugs, and die young or spend a long time in jail. Or they become such people pleasers that they're the ultimate Nice Guys. Nice Guys are the way they are because they invest too much of themselves in the opinions of others, and don't invest in their own lives. As a result they're not happy and have low self-esteem. Robert Glover has said this. Mark Manson has said this, every r… | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 03:35 AM |
| 2 | "We should only invest our time in women whose actions show that she has a genuine, burning desire for you." - but how can you get that desire while meeting them on social media?I'm not writing a book review or trying to unpack some grand theory. I'm responding to a dumb post so that the noobs on here don't go down rabbit holes and get conned by grifters selling warmed-over crap at highway robbery prices. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 02:34 AM |
| 4 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentIs reading comprehension difficult for you? Here's a TL;DR: get on your purpose and work on being the best you like your life depends on it. Nice guys don't do that. Nice guys whinge, moan, and blame others. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 02:29 AM |
| 6 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentThe guy reinvented himself in such a way that it would be an unrealistic story if he hadn't done it. And he did it by getting on his purpose. That's how you change the mindset, by having a purpose in life more important to you than getting laid. With the right mindset, you can learn and practice whatever else you're missing. Without the right mindset, progress will be slow and painful, if it happens at all. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 02:27 AM |
| 9 | "We should only invest our time in women whose actions show that she has a genuine, burning desire for you." - but how can you get that desire while meeting them on social media?It's the pickup artist paradox. Attractive men don't focus their lives around seducing women. And the further down that rabbit hole you go, the more you find yourself actually focusing on impressing other guys, which is not exactly "alpha male" behavior. To me, it's the single biggest sign of a grifter - when their "everything" is about pickup. Look at Mark Manson. He's gone on to write many other books, many of which have nothing to do with dating. | /r/seduction | 05/01/22 12:27 AM |
| 54 | nice guy obstacles to attraction and expressing intentHere's the irony of the recovering nice guy plight. The actual differences between a nice guy and a guy who is naturally good with women are very slight. Most so-called "naturals" are that way because they had good early experiences with women, a crutch they can rely on, or a personality that tends towards low-grade narcissism. They tend to have better than average social skills than your nice guy, but not enough to explain away the disparate outcomes. Most of what they've got is experience with… | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 08:42 PM |
| 41 | "We should only invest our time in women whose actions show that she has a genuine, burning desire for you." - but how can you get that desire while meeting them on social media?I have a rule when it comes to pickup literature. Treat everything that talks about "alpha" seriously with a major grain of salt, because it's likely crap. Alpha male theory is pure bro-science and actually leads men further away from the truth. Stay away from the grifters and read Models. You're delusional if you think sliding into the DMs of Instagram thots is a viable pickup strategy. Social media addicts get absolutely no shortage of free male attention, and any girl who gets super intereste… | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 07:00 PM |
| 4 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..https://www.amazon.ca/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty/dp/1463750358 | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 06:13 AM |
| 14 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..80% of everything I've learned about women has come from my mistakes. Another 10-15% from Mark Manson, and the remaining 5-10% from everything else, including successes. | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 02:38 AM |
| 15 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..There is a line between building and breaking sexual tension. You break it when you clearly say or show that you want to sleep with them. Everything before that is still in the grey area of flirting where signs can be ambiguous, mixed, or highly indirect. The reason why it breaks sexual tension is because it's a cards-on-the-table moment. It kills the mystery. Like if she drunkenly booty calls you when you're asleep and leaves an embarassing text or voicemail. This is why a quick kiss might buil… | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 01:54 AM |
| 11 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..I feel the exact same way. If I had known then what I know now. When I was 18, I was hanging out in this girl's room at rez. She was a drop-dead gorgeous redhead, she had a single room, and we were alone on a lazy weekend afternoon. I was playing her guitar, and she was teasing me about being a virgin. I don't even remember her name (I think it started with a K), but I remember her face like it was yesterday. Only thing you can do is make your peace with the fact that there will always be more g… | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 11:39 PM |
| 16 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..I've gone from first meeting to having sex with a girl inside of 90 minutes. It was a party, we were both having a good time and horny. We were making out within minutes. QED. I've also had a random encounter in a bathroom, but with a different girl in a somewhat different context. It's not my cup of tea, but sometimes the feeling is right and she's game. | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 11:07 PM |
| 12 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..Just because something is socially reinforced doesn't automatically mean it is irrational, arbitrary, or wrong. Girls have many valid reasons to avoid being seen as "slutty", like losing face in front of their friends. The irony is, in my mind what is slutty is use to your sexuality as a bargaining chip or a commodity, not the things you do with someone you want to do them with. But I suspect that attitude will take a long time to spread to others, women especially. | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 10:19 PM |
| 5 | What kind of apartment is best for picking up womenHell I'm a guy and I've been turned off by dirty bathrooms at her place. Not having a clean bathroom is a classic unforced error. | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 07:33 PM |
| 4 | What kind of apartment is best for picking up womenThis is a very good move, because it lowers the "unknown" factor for her when you invite her back to your place. She's already seen your apartment and knows what to expect. Just an easy way to make her more comfortable coming home with you. | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 07:32 PM |
| 235 | Getting off with girls but not having sex with them..It's because you break the sexual tension too soon. Having a hot and steamy makeout sesh in a bar or a club is a mistake unless the plan is to have sex right away, like in the bathroom or a car/alley. The reason why it's a mistake is because making out with her right then and there breaks the sexual tension. Her horny mind stops governing the decision-making and she starts pondering everything other than getting her rocks off. That's why she defers on going home with you, flakes when you set up … | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 07:01 PM |
| 3 | Eye contact during sexI would say it really depends on the vibe with her. What she wants, what you want, and what is hot in that moment. Eye contact is one of those things that can go either way. In the right context, it's hot as hell, for her and you. And in the wrong context, it's off-putting. If it's a girl you met that night and the sex is just about having some hot dirty fun, I'd stay away from eye contact and emotional intimacy because that's not what that particular encounter is about. If it's your girlfriend … | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 06:50 PM |
| 11 | [deleted by user]We can argue back and forth about percentages all day long, but we're on the same page that people who use other people are not cool. That's one of the reasons why I don't like booty call situations. FWB is alright provided you're both on the same page, but treating a girl like a booty call just feels exploitative to me. Sort of a "if your regard for her is really that low, then why even bother sleeping with her?" | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 07:40 PM |
| 18 | [deleted by user]A woman in this situation isn't likely to just ragequit or take her ball and go home. Instead she'll just write you off as a sexual prospect and stop trying, go cold, stick you in the friend zone, or all of the above. I've seen women do this all the time where they'll have a guy in their life with a crush that they're no longer into because he's a wimp, and keep him around because they like the attention or to outright use him. Kinda like the gender-flipped version of a booty call. | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 07:21 PM |
| 39 | [deleted by user]Individual variation is definitely a thing, but at the same time I can safely say that you are an outlier who defies the overall trend. | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 07:15 PM |
| 6 | [deleted by user]Because every woman knows what it's like to chase after a guy who's just not that into them or be taken for granted. They fear and loathe that as much as men fear rejection and humiliation. The other element of it is that at the current moment, the dating market is somewhat skewed in favor of women, so they can afford to dump guys who don't seize the moment, because they've got no shortage of choices and sooner or later some guy will. The pendulum will swing back sooner or later, but for now tha… | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 07:14 PM |
| 18 | Is Neil Strauss The Game actually worth reading?This. Read The Game for a general commentary on the seduction community and related issues from the inside. The Mystery Method-based approach Neil Strauss used is kinda dated now anyways. Read Models if what you want is high quality dating advice. | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 05:56 PM |
| 4 | Being lean vs being bigBased on my experience, here's two observations that might help. The most universally attractive physical trait a man can have is a low body fat percentage. Everything else depends on the girl, but there's very few if any girls who find doughy guys more attractive than lean ones. Every girl has certain preferences, but ultimately they aren't super picky provided your game is tight. What I find is the key, is to make the most of what you've got. If you're a big beefy guy, get lean and toned, and … | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 05:55 PM |
| 11 | Ten Ways Guys Fuck Up Their GameExcellent question. The first thing to understand is that turning a girl on is a bit like boiling an egg. A watched pot never boils, and once the egg is in the water, it's not done until it is done. It's an endothermic process because you have to add energy slowly and steadily. Whereas with guys, it's a bit like lighting a fire. Assuming you've built the fire properly, all you need is an ignition source and whoosh. Next, your average girl is better at empathizing and reading emotional cues than … | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 05:13 PM |
| 16 | Ten Ways Guys Fuck Up Their GameDating, like in all things, is a story of "you get what you give". Sure it's possible that you get lucky, meet someone super compatible and everything just flows. It does happen. Regardless of how you approach dating, that is how it should feel when things are going well. But taking this approach also leaves you open to the caprices of chance and things can still go wrong. Different people want different things out of their love life. Some guys just want to find a good girlfriend. Some guys are … | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 04:37 PM |
| 38 | Ten Ways Guys Fuck Up Their GameIf you can't kiss a girl who's into you within a date or two, then honestly my advice is seek therapy because that's some serious repression. If you want a girl who's down with taking it slow, then select your demographics properly. Club girls and college girls are used to fuckboys. Girls who are conservative and go to church will appreciate a guy who takes it slow. Other than that, the secret is to let her chase emotional rapport with you, don't spill your guts. It weirds girls out when a guy i… | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 06:22 AM |
| 24 | is promising things for sex then not delivering really "sexual assault"?Kinda proof that Weinstein was Hollywood's sacrificial lamb. Sort of a "oh let's hang him out to dry, throw the media mob a bone and no one will look further." Everyone in Hollywood knew what he was about, and yet nothing happened until one day all his protection just vanished. One can have zero sympathy for the guy and still find the overall situation kinda suspect. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 26/12/21 01:30 AM |
| 2 | I think a girl is playing with my feelingsThere's safety in ambiguity. That's why female dating strategy is more passive. The problem is, there's lots of women who will abuse this either out of greed or immaturity, and lots of weak or inexperienced men who will put up with it. That's why Mark Manson says polarize to attract. Weak men never move the ball forward, never make a move, and instead wait for a woman to make her interest blindingly obvious. Women who play into that wind up being taken for granted by guys who just aren't that in… | /r/seduction | 31/10/21 08:46 PM |
| 3 | I think a girl is playing with my feelingsThis is exactly the right read on the situation. The girl is not OP's friend, she's setting him up to be an orbiter. Maybe if he played his cards right, he could have gotten with her when she was drunk and lonely, but it probably wouldn't have been worth it, and he wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. In my experience, once you sniff these girls out, the only thing to do is to immediately distance yourself emotionally and stop caring. A lot of times when you get to know them,… | /r/seduction | 31/10/21 08:37 PM |
| 3 | I think a girl is playing with my feelingsTo hell with this ho. She wants to have her cake and eat it too. The fact that you want to get with her is the very thing she'll use to manipulate you, as she's already done. There's literally nothing to be gained from this situation for you OP. Once a girl thinks she can manipulate you and starts doing so, not even you walking away will correct that. And it won't get better. Don't ask me how I know this. Only cure for this situation is to immediately stop giving a shit about getting with her an… | /r/seduction | 31/10/21 03:53 PM |
| 3 | [deleted by user]That's why I liked the one guy's advice about using some straight up sexual seduction. Nothing lowers a man's defenses like knowing that he is just straight-up wanted as a man with no ulterior motives or agenda. And the way to do that is to play the sex kitten angle. Unfortunately it seems that the girls with the confidence to do this are all too often the desperate/crazy ones to avoid (and the reason why is because of that hidden agenda - guys aren't stupid, though when we're horny sometimes we… | /r/seduction | 11/10/21 07:09 PM |
| 5 | [deleted by user]Sounds like he just won't give you the brutal honesty you're asking for. I think what you're really looking for OP is to understand what's up with this guy, rather than trying to seduce him for one last hurrah. I had a thing once with a girl that reminds me of this. She was wicked smart, cute as a button, and a horny devil. But she was also very erratic and had some red flags. And the worst thing was, she knew she was more into me than I was into her, and it made her act even more erratic - self… | /r/seduction | 11/10/21 06:52 PM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]I endorse everything he said, especially about the bitter losers in this thread. To-bang-or-not-to-bang is ultimately a risk-reward problem and if rejection is off the table, there's something else making him anxious. Putting him on the spot will just make him withdraw, so the best move is to alter the reward side of the equation. And this is easy because you've already had the sex. The only thing to remember is to know when to fold. Sometimes a guy/girl just ain't worth the effort. | /r/seduction | 11/10/21 06:49 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]The guy is sending mixed messages. If you've never seen that before, you're probably a virgin. Nobody is talking about violating consent, we're talking about persuading an ambivalent sexual partner to come correct, which is totally appropriate and on-point for this sub. | /r/seduction | 11/10/21 06:46 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]I think this is a bit of a double standard. She's not asking for advice on how to drug him, sex him, and steal his kidneys. She's got a guy who's stringing her along, won't be honest about what his hangup is, and she's asking for advice on how to stabilize a sexual connection. And everyone is acting like she's some kinda creep, when this would be a perfectly normal thing for us guys to ask - those of us who actually have women in our lives that is ;) | /r/seduction | 11/10/21 06:41 PM |
| 10 | Head over heals but not into him after sexThe honeymoon phase is wearing off, and you're finding that you're not as into him as he is into you. If this wasn't the case, you'd be all like "what is this/where are we going" rather than "I could take it or leave it". I think a lot of this has to do with our societally unhealthy expectations when it comes to love. All too often we mistake infatuation for love, and then wonder why it comes and goes. Love isn't just a 6mo-1yr milepost on the "serious relationship" evolution. It's both accident… | /r/seduction | 10/10/21 05:06 PM |
| 1 | It's savage out there.Aye, If she comes back good I'll invite her round No, don't take her seriously. Her behavior has said "don't take me seriously, I'm just playing around". If you must, treat her like an acquaintance and invite her to parties. In the meantime I've got two other dates set up. Case closed. As far of the butterfly factor it makes perfect sense, Cheers Good luck! | /r/seduction | 01/10/21 06:47 PM |
| 4 | How do you not lose your shit when talking to a 10?Remember that the hottest girl can be a total waste of time in bed if the vibe ain't right. If a girl's looks are getting you shook, the problem is with you, not with her. Either you've got something to prove or you think she's out of your league. Maybe she does have more options than you, there's only one you. Treat yourself like you matter to yourself. Nothing more, nothing less. Hot girls are impressed by the guys that don't feel the need to impress her. | /r/seduction | 01/10/21 06:14 PM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]Depends on the vibe and the context. Studying with you one-on-one at your place... Girls aren't stupid. | /r/seduction | 01/10/21 06:10 PM |
| 2 | It's savage out there.Noted on PDA, She is still texting but not commiting to meeting, therefore, best option is just to stop texting and let it go I think. See that's what I mean, you went from a guy she was interested in to a back burner guy. If she was still into you, she'd treat you like a priority. This can happen for all sorts of reasons. If you did or said something to turn her off, her interest level would have likely fallen further, which suggests it's something on her end. The harder you try, the more strin… | /r/seduction | 01/10/21 06:08 PM |
| 1 | It's savage out there."It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." -- Captain Jean-Luc Picard As for your specific situation OP, your read on it is likely correct, even if you're wrong about the specifics. When girls go from hot to lukewarm like that, most likely explanation is there's someone else (though not necessarily another man) involved. Even if that's not the case, she's treating you like an option rather than a priority and she's being kinda obvious about it. M… | /r/seduction | 29/09/21 03:14 PM |
| 13 | When a female flakesThis is one of the first and most important lessons. Learn it as fast as possible. People who do this, intentionally or not, are waving a sign saying "I'm not worth your time". It's a sign that should not be ignored or rationalized away. And that's it. Lesson over. It's that simple. If shit happens, the normal thing to do is reschedule. If you start accepting flaky behavior, that shit sets a precedent and it never ever ever gets better. Even if you walk away and get back in touch later. | /r/seduction | 15/09/21 03:25 AM |
| 2 | I quitWell what I took away from that is, your vibe is wrong. That's what people mean when they say "the stink of desperation". You're noseblind to it, but all the women you meet see it and react to it. I suspect even your "positive vibe" is off as well, especially given the amount of effort it takes. What you do correctly is diagnose the root of the problem, your state of mind. That is something that women pick up on. One of the most important lessons of seduction is - whatever baggage you're carryin… | /r/seduction | 02/09/21 02:00 PM |
| 0 | How To Actually Make Girls Fall In Love With You And Chase YouI would say I fixed it. You gave out bland old advice, and reinforced misleading myths. | /r/seduction | 27/08/21 03:54 PM |
| 3 | Why do women fall for me romantically, but not sexually, despite them finding me physically attractive?This reads to me like taking a valid point and pushing it to silly town. I can certainly get behind the notion that a man constantly needing reassurance is a turnoff, but saying an attractive man never needs reassurance is kinda crazy because no guy can live up to that, not even the psycho narcissists. Even those types can only try to fake it because no guy is confident 100% of the time. I don't intend to beat up on you, but I find women sometimes have wildly unrealistic, even crazy expectations… | /r/seduction | 09/08/21 01:05 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Lol yes I'm a guy. I'll take that as a compliment :) | /r/seduction | 20/07/21 11:20 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Then she's just insecure. Act accordingly. | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 09:56 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Then you must think a lot of girls are crazy or a waste of time. Yes hot and cold is annoying but to some extent it also comes with the territory. Women are always trying to react to their man, so sometimes their message gets a little inconsistent. I've seen much much worse when it comes to hot and cold. | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 09:40 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Sounds to me like she's not sure you're into her, or at least is feeling insecure about that. Teasing her is good, but you need to reward her with some affection when she plays along. A good rule of thumb with women is to positively reinforce the positive things she does, and either ignore or negatively reinforce the negative. This what people mean when they say "you teach others how to treat you". | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 09:38 PM |
| 3 | [deleted by user]Yes, you're overthinking things. Yes she has options, but it sounds like her focus is on you. Just keep being the guy she made out with, be non-needy, yet bold, and things will progress. Just don't fall into the trap of feeling like you have something to prove. | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 08:41 PM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]Sounds like you have a sort of casual dating/FWB thing going with her? I take it you guys are hooking up? Sounds to me like you are in danger of overthinking things. So she doesn't blow up your phone. Is the vibe good when you guys do talk, do hang out? It could be she's insecure and unsure about what you guys are, what you want, what she wants etc. The wrong thing to do in this situation is to be super direct and start talking about your feelings and intentions. If she wants to know, she hint/a… | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 05:53 PM |
| 9 | Help! All Of The Hostesses Think Im Horny As Shit And Think Im Trying To Hook Up With Them...Don't shit where you eat. People talk. Don't chase girls with a big mouth. For this exact reason. They probably all think you're horny because it's flattering to their egos and because you pay too much attention to them. Granted you're 17, but you've gotta stop treating girls like they're special because they're hot. That's how you become a simp. When you've been around the block as much as some of the guys here, you'll learn that a girl being hot doesn't mean shit if she's a shitty person and y… | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 05:34 PM |
| 2 | Why do women often entertain conversations with guys that they are not interested in?Attention. Girls need attention the same way guys need sex. Similarly, in today's dating meta, girls feel more secure in their ego the more orbiters and options they have around them. The way you break through this cloud of non-specific attention inflating her ego is to take action and polarize to attract. Shoot your shot without hesitation and believe you are her best option. And if she doesn't see that, her loss. Her instagram followers will be super valuable to her when she's a 40 year old si… | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 05:30 PM |
| 8 | [deleted by user]Girls can act hot and cold for a variety of different reasons. They could be playing the field, they could be not sure if you're into them or vice versa. Point is, the root cause of hot and cold behavior is always the same: insecurity. People with healthy self-esteem don't play these games because they find them unnecessary and counterproductive. Even people who play the field embrace honest communication because it keeps things simple and above-board. Now how do you deal with it? Cultivate opti… | /r/seduction | 19/07/21 05:26 PM |
| 23 | Fellas stop using money that isn’t yours to attract women. It turns them off more than you know.Tbh, the kind of guys who need this advice are also the kind of guys it's wasted on. If you fish with your wallet, you're only gonna catch gold-diggers. Doubly so if it isn't even your money. | /r/seduction | 15/07/21 07:06 PM |
| 14 | Sex won’t make you happyFirst you find purpose, then you pursue it, then you add value and accrue allies. Then you get money, girls, and respect without having to fake a thing. Power is more trouble than it's worth unless you're corrupt or ego-driven. | /r/seduction | 06/07/21 07:44 PM |
| 7 | When a woman says she didn't feel a connection or a "spark", is that something that is purely a matter of natural chemistry, or is it a sign that there wasn't enough escalation.To be fair, as a woman it isn't your responsibility to make something happen. As you yourself point out, you just want to sit back, respond positively to his flirtations and let it all unfold. The issue is that while not every man will have experienced a no-spark date when they wanted sparks, every man has experienced coming on too strong with a girl and totally blowing it. And most men fear coming on too strong far more than not strong enough because the first leads to sharper and more painful … | /r/seduction | 05/07/21 02:48 PM |
| 2 | When a woman says she didn't feel a connection or a "spark", is that something that is purely a matter of natural chemistry, or is it a sign that there wasn't enough escalation.The best way to look at this is to take the "no spark" as a rejection-by-default. Think of it this way. If you are showing on some level that you want her, one of two things will happen. Either you'll get rejected and you'll have your answer. Or she'll be into it and things will proceed as they should. Therefore, if you're on a date with a girl and you're neither getting shot down, nor making progress, you are categorically playing it too safe. The only time this isn't the case is if she's going… | /r/seduction | 05/07/21 02:42 PM |
| 2 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenMeh, I found both losing weight and quitting smoking easier than practicing good time management. To each their own. | /r/seduction | 04/07/21 12:04 AM |
| 3 | How did you learn and master "Fuck it" attitude?For me what helped was focusing on my actual priorities and honestly... Blowing it with enough gorgeous women that you know on a gut level that there's plenty more out there for you to screw it up with, or not. That's how you get to DGAF. By recognizing that regardless of what happens with this or that particular girl, life will go on, and that's what matters. | /r/seduction | 03/07/21 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenFixing personal lifestyle habits is good, but I find the real secret is time management. Manage your time well and you'll get decent sleep, get your fun in, and get stuff done without being a drone. Then doing things like quitting smoking or losing weight becomes less of a burden. | /r/seduction | 03/07/21 04:48 PM |
| 10 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenStart with small and achievable and be persistent. You will fall down and have to pick yourself up. In fact if you aren't doing that, you aren't trying hard enough. Another trick is to find things worthy of your time and investment and sink your energy into that. A lot of self-discipline is having your priorities in line, a bit of planning, judicious use of willpower, and always trying to redefine what you're capable of. | /r/seduction | 03/07/21 12:46 AM |
| 2 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenIf she's showing you interest over text but is hesitant to meet up for no obvious reason? Sounds like it's just about attention to her. | /r/seduction | 03/07/21 12:25 AM |
| 10 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenMy advice to short men is learn to walk tall. Master body language. Tall men get away with not learning this because height can hide bad posture and body language. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 10:56 PM |
| 4 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenWhich is better for you in the long run? To believe that you're cursed and the reason for your rejections is something outside of your control? Or to believe that there is something you're missing or doing wrong and therefore it's fixable. There's always something to complain about, something that's wrong with the world. Always has been the case, always will be. Old problems are replaced by new problems. The age-old riddle is - how will you adapt? | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenThink of it like a deliberately neutral reaction versus no reaction at all. A deliberately neutral reaction is a "not yet" because she's deliberately trying to avoid closing the door on something happening, it's just too soon in her eyes. Whereas when you get no reaction at all, she doesn't really care about keeping you engaged because she's not. I've had it happen more than once where a girl will reject me, and then come back and try to walk it back. That's what I mean by a neutral reaction. Wh… | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 10:35 PM |
| 8 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenThat's why I made it clear in both cases not to ignore her signals and not to take big risks with touch. Groping women who aren't into you isn't cool and I shouldn't need to explain that. Shooting your shot without fear or hesitation is the move. Ignoring her boundaries is exactly what not to do. And if she's being weird about it, let her go. Not that complicated. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 10:15 PM |
| 6 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenDeliberately avoiding purpose is an exercise in nihilism. Everyone needs a purpose on some level. Something to direct their efforts toward, even if it's just basic survival. Otherwise the only thing that matters to you is self gratification and you become a pleasure junkie simply because you don't have anything better to do. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 09:48 PM |
| 8 | How do I approach a girl when they're typically never by themselves?This. The secret to approaching a woman in a group is to pay more attention to the group than to her. On some level, she'll start chasing your attention, especially if there's initial attraction. And the more you build rapport with the group with just decent social skills, the more this dynamic will take hold. Once a girl is chasing your attention, you're halfway home. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 06:03 PM |
| 12 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenMy philosophy is we all ultimately want the same things, we just have different priorities. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 05:38 PM |
| 14 | Twelve Ways To Improve Your Attractiveness To WomenNot really, it's just a shift in mindset. It's more "what would you do if you weren't worried about failing?" A lot of times the secret to game is to treat it like a game and not get so worked up about the results. That's why I talk first about being on your purpose and cultivating happiness in your own life first. That's how you shoot your shot without feeling like your self-esteem is at risk. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 05:37 PM |
| 7 | Please stop with this “be yourself” bullshit.There's two main reasons why women say this. The first and most obvious reason is because there's nothing women can't stand more than an inauthentic and insincere man. When they see that, they immediately think "unreliable pussy". And I can't say I blame them. Some of them will still date unreliable men, but at least they don't act like pussies. And the second reason is that women don't know what turns them on and many of them either don't want to know, or don't want to share it. What a lot of g… | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 02:36 PM |
| 7 | Please stop with this “be yourself” bullshit.You're getting trolled, bud. | /r/seduction | 02/07/21 02:21 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean if a girl asked me (M) what I thought about another guy?Lol, actually sounds like you handled it perfectly. Also sounds like she was trolling for a reaction which is good news. | /r/seduction | 09/06/21 04:19 AM |
| 13 | Unable to approach women even if they're showing obvious signs of interest (help)Step One: let go of outcome - take the pressure off. Step Two: focus first on being more social - bring your comfort level up. A guy needs to spend time circulating amongst women before he starts to intuitively sense sexual opportunities. Step Three: Assume Attraction - act like you're used to women being into you and express yourself naturally, like you have nothing to prove. Step Four: Take Action - turn the fact that men are expected to make the first move into the advantage that it is. It's … | /r/seduction | 09/06/21 03:20 AM |
| 5 | What does it mean if a girl asked me (M) what I thought about another guy?It means one of two things. Either it's reaction-seeking, an attempt to see how you'd feel about her with another guy. Or she's got the opposite of a crush on you and sees you primarily in a platonic right. If it's the first one, her heightened attention on you and your reaction is the tell. If she instead acts like it's a normal question and cares more about what you think rather than your reaction, well do the math. Sometimes it can be hard to tell. Girls use jealousy plays when they want more… | /r/seduction | 09/06/21 03:05 AM |
| 3 | I dropped the "only text to set up a date" rule and my results explodedThis is just a tale of two mediums. The "only text to sort out logistics" is a rule that comes from meeting ppl IRL and wanting to keep the intrigue and anticipation going. Very easy to over-text in these situations and it doesn't help you. Whereas on Tinder and online dating apps in general, you must use text game because you don't know that person IRL. If you go into a Tinder match trying to set up a date right away, no small talk, well that's just weird. | /r/seduction | 02/06/21 01:42 PM |
| 1 | she is playing hard to get - should i keep pursuing her?No. That dynamic just doesn't sound fun bro. Hang out with people who want to hang out with you. | /r/seduction | 02/06/21 01:39 PM |
| 1 | Fellas, NEVER send nudesYes, this should be common sense. If you feel the need to send a sexy pic to a girl you haven't hooked up with, shirtless or clothed junk is the move. The bulge in your pants will turn her on without being too much, the way the full monty would be. Another thing to consider is if she's already fantasizing about that area of you, do you really want to ruin the moment where she gets to see you for the first time? One thing you can do is send pics of yourself doing something cool or that shows you … | /r/seduction | 01/06/21 09:44 PM |
| 5 | The 10 Most Dangerous Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women | #4 is very important!Taking the initiative and moving the ball forward on a physical level. Assuming she's into you, this is what she'll want you to do. Even if she prefers to take the lead, your deliberate investment will make her feel safe doing the same. This is also how a man can express desire and emotion without being too vulnerable or giving away too much. Use actions, not words. Girls only feel put up on a pedestal when a guy is supplicating to her, or treating her like she's a Faberge egg that they don't da… | /r/seduction | 23/05/21 06:17 PM |
| 3 | The 10 Most Dangerous Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women | #4 is very important!All of these points are quality. I'm curious how these can be related to Mark Manson's Three Fundamentals of good game (Lifestyle, Courage, Communication), because almost of your points tie back into those. For instance, most guys get into maladaptive nice-guy or supplicating behaviors because they're not happy with the life they're living already, which makes them overcompensate and trick themselves into a totally unnecessary needy "something to prove" mentality. The key to fixing self-esteem a… | /r/seduction | 23/05/21 06:15 PM |
| 1 | I think i am in love with my coworker. I am going to ask her out for drink. I am freaking out.. need helpThis sounds like one-itis. Don't shit where you eat. You don't know what you're doing, and the odds of it backfiring are too high. | /r/seduction | 14/05/21 02:58 PM |
| 5 | Having a difficult time even justifying the effort of romance or dating.Hey if thats the way you really relate to men, more power to you. I wish a lot more women had your mindset that men aren't some kind of adversary. But unfortunately it's men's experience today that women like you are in the minority. A lot of women I find grow dependent on the feeling of being wanted by men and try to seek power over men by manipulating them. And men have to guard against that, for their own sake. And yes it is a vicious cycle because then men overcompensate and become callous, … | /r/seduction | 15/03/21 07:21 AM |
| 7 | Having a difficult time even justifying the effort of romance or dating.I think of it more like this. For a lot of women, even if they want to sleep with you, the only way they can justify it to themselves is to idealize you into the prize. Rationally they know better, and don't actually want to worship you like a groupie, but sexually, deep down that's what they respond to. And the more immature she is, the more the emotional rather than the logical governs her decision-making. That's where assuming attraction comes in. Girls aren't actually that complicated. All h… | /r/seduction | 14/03/21 08:30 PM |
| 14 | Having a difficult time even justifying the effort of romance or dating.I feel this. So much. Here's my thoughts on the situation. There's plenty of criticism we could level at women today. Even women themselves, in a vulnerable and honest moment will say that a lot of the things they and their sisters do are stupid and self-harming. But it's all noise at the end of the day because we can't change women. It's up to women to figure their shit out. So what's a guy to do. One thought that leaps out at me is a line from Jordan Peterson's latest book that people have onl… | /r/seduction | 14/03/21 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Baffled with wife's shit testThose aren't shit tests, that's fishing for compliments. Shit tests are when she starts getting confrontational for no reason because she wants to feel your confidence. She's saying those things as a stand-in for "feed my ego plz cause I'm not feeling the love". Could be she's insecure, could be she's not getting enough attention from you. My response would be to be playful. Give her absurdly over the top flattery with a cheeky grin and some physical affection. Turn it into a joke. Perhaps the w… | /r/seduction | 10/03/21 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Attraction is not created by what you logically say but instead by what you emotionally convey. You cannot logically convince someone to like you.Read Models cover to cover. The chapters on flirting will have some of the answers you're looking for, but the whole book is gold. Way Of The Superior Man is another good book for understanding the sexual dynamic between men and women. As for how to play the Chad specifically, there isn't really a good book on it that I've encountered. Partly because everyone has their own way of playing the Chad and it has to be congruent to you. Most people just guess and test until they find what works. | /r/seduction | 09/03/21 08:43 PM |
| 3 | Attraction is not created by what you logically say but instead by what you emotionally convey. You cannot logically convince someone to like you.I find the best way to explain seduction is that it's both role play and just socializing. It's a mixture of the two. By flirting with someone, you're placing yourself in a role with the way you flirt or relate to them. But at the same time, if you go full retard with that, its too much too fast and it comes across as inauthentic and untrustworthy. But if you want success with the opposite sex, a guy needs to learn how play the dominant but carefree ladies man, and women need to learn how to pla… | /r/seduction | 09/03/21 08:16 PM |
| 2 | Work on your WeaknessGirls caring about height is almost always a shit test. If she really is that shallow, then that's an obvious red flag. So why waste the mental energy. | /r/seduction | 08/03/21 04:18 PM |
| 3 | How do I transition out of business mode and into pickup mode?Have fun. Honestly that's the biggest difference between guys who are naturally good with women and guys who struggle. Guys struggle when they take the game too seriously. They get anxious, treat her like she's a big deal, and hesitate rather than say or do the wrong thing. If you're treating her like a big deal because she's hot, all that shows is you're not used to the attention of hot girls or getting laid is way too important to you. One of the best received moves I ever made with a girl was… | /r/seduction | 07/03/21 08:11 AM |
| 7 | Do you befriend someone before you start asking them out on dates?Read Models, sounds like you're starting from scratch and that's a good starting point. | /r/seduction | 07/03/21 08:05 AM |
| 148 | Is it true that when you find the one it will feel easy?First off, "the one" is a myth. Love isn't something you find, it's something you build. Next, when it's right, it won't feel hard. Sometimes it'll be easy, sometimes it won't - as in not hard but not easy either. But when it is hard, either you're doing something wrong, or she's making it difficult. And if she's making it difficult, it's not meant to be because it's not gonna get easier. I find the secret as a guy is being in a good position to shoot your shots without hesitation. That way you … | /r/seduction | 07/03/21 07:06 AM |
| 3 | How do guys really feel about receiving nudes?Like all things it depends on context. There is such a thing as too soon. But outside of that I say "yeah I totally hate looking at naked women, especially one I'm currently fantasizing about" (said no guy ever). There is a right way to do nudes and a less right way. Less right way is just set of meh photos with no flirtation in between. Best way is lingerie, coyness mixed with winks and nods at depravity. If you're gonna send a guy nudes, a little bit of effort makes it a lot more impactful. | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 06:56 AM |
| 3 | How does one give off that "bad boy" vibe?Almost all women want to feel pretty, I could have rephrased it better. Some women want to chase sexually, because it allows them to feel in control and keeps them from losing their nerve. Some women need to be chased sexually because that's how they feel wanted and turned on. The ones that need to chase sexually respond more powerfully to the "bad boy" vibe, whereas the ones that need to chased want more direct attention - sexual tension turns them on rather than gets them anxious. | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 04:49 AM |
| 2 | Wow will I look like a fuckboy but here you go boys and girls, the complete bookHmm, on the one hand, it really can be that simple, but on the other hand, this reads like it was written by a girl. It takes a lot of things for granted and misreads where most guys' actual sticking points are. Approaching and getting a girl's number isn't that hard once you get some practice. I find a lot more guys struggle with getting from the first meet/number to sealing the deal. Appreciate the effort, but this is very vacuous advice. Also not really applicable these days given the whole l… | /r/seduction | 05/03/21 09:17 PM |
| 22 | How does one give off that "bad boy" vibe?ABS - Always Be Screening. Here's an observation I've noticed: The girls who are most in the "men only want one thing" frame are the ones who are most susceptible to "bad boys". Why? Because they believe all men are putting on an act around her. "Bad boys" DGAF what she thinks (or at least appear to) and that's what grabs her attention. She can't help but invest some energy in trying to figure out whether he's for real or whether it's an act. They secretly thirst for a man they can't manipulate … | /r/seduction | 05/03/21 06:38 PM |
| 2 | Should you chase...ever?Never really interested is your answer. The long waits for a reply plus leaving you on read are pretty clear signs of disinterest. Girls do this because they either have options or want you to think that they do. Personally, I think it's disrespectful and manipulative (like if you're really that disinterested, either don't reply at all or be direct), but we can't control what other people do. I don't know the specifics of your situation, but it sounds like you were trying to build rapport with t… | /r/seduction | 02/03/21 01:12 AM |
| 5 | Should you chase...ever?Depends on your investment level. At a certain point, refusing to chase looks more pussy, needy, and dishonest than going after what you want. If she's a girl you're just talking to with no serious social ties, chasing looks desperate. Being persistent is even risky unless your vibe is totally non-needy. If she's a girl you're seeing, what you want to avoid is chasing more than she is. And if she's not chasing you at all, that's a bad sign. Most women want to chase their man a little to feel lik… | /r/seduction | 01/03/21 09:08 PM |
| 2 | The boyfriend/girlfriend talk?There's three big dangers when it comes to defining a relationship/proposing relationship upgrades. The first and most obvious danger is jumping the gun. By the time you've been seeing and sleeping with each other for a month or more, that's long enough to decide whether or not there's bf/gf potential. Note that being exclusive isn't the same (at least in my books) as being in a serious relationship. That comes when the honeymoon period wears off. The second is ignoring the other person's signs … | /r/seduction | 01/03/21 08:53 PM |
| 1 | The key to BOUNDARIES!Say your piece and then walk then. Just expect them to call what they'll think is a bluff. | /r/seduction | 01/03/21 05:26 PM |
| 6 | The amount of theory here to find women is nonsensical, does it really have to be?A big part of the reason why there's such an explosion of theories and strategies is because men and women have both lost their way. Both genders are chasing ego rather than good sex and good relationships. Both genders are falling all too often into the zero-sum exploit or be exploited model of dating where nobody really wins. Cause dating and sex are team sports and we've forgotten that. It takes two to tango. Both genders are all fucked up about their sexuality. Men don't flirt caused they're… | /r/seduction | 01/03/21 04:49 PM |
| 3 | The key to BOUNDARIES!I've been in this exact situation. Hanging out with a smoking hot girl who's behaving like a straight up B. You can't fix that, and in fact, the longer you let it go on, the more fail the situation gets for both of you. A man needs to know how and when to check a girl, and the best way to do that is walk away like a boss. She don't deserve your anger - getting angry means you still give a shit. And there's no point in calling them out either. They just get triggered and start trying to save face… | /r/seduction | 01/03/21 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Is dread game the only possible way to keep a girl from getting bored ?Yeah I get what you're saying. That awful feeling of "I have to play the Chad and stay in that frame or else she'll bail". I hate that feeling too. Now, being able to play the Chad is an important tool in your arsenal. If you can't or won't do that, it's difficult for a girl to feel attracted and chase you, in the same way that sometimes a girl needs to act the Stacy. But then the fear comes in saying "what if I drop the act?" My advice to you is to under-react. If a girl compliments you, just s… | /r/seduction | 27/02/21 05:11 PM |
| 1 | How to stop thinking that only looks matterJust realize what girls are really looking for out of you. They want your masculine energy, and if they find you good looking, that's just a bonus to them. Work on your physical appearance just for the sake of being less insecure about it or feeling you have less to prove, and focus your attention on your lifestyle as a whole and improving your inner game. To me, the single biggest determining factor of a guy's success with women is his self-esteem. Here's some food for thought :p | /r/seduction | 27/02/21 04:56 PM |
| 2 | Is dread game the only possible way to keep a girl from getting bored ?Is the answer to everything, to just be polygamous ? I don't see how you got there from what I've said. Sounds like there's something else going on in your head that you should examine. Holding frame and tactics are training wheels bro. When you have the right mindset, you won't need to think about these things. Your goal should be to get to a place where you hold frame without needing to think about it. You get there by being detached and not sacrificing your self-respect to keep a girl happy. … | /r/seduction | 27/02/21 04:49 PM |
| 10 | How to stop thinking that only looks matterOne of the things that has always surprised me during my adventures and misadventures with women is how smoking hot girls will give me approach signals. Not just eye contact, but full-blown staredowns or even approaching me first. And in a way that more normal looking girls simply don't (unless they're basically throwing themselves at me in a kinda desperate way). I'd walk up to a girl who had been giving me signals, me all terrified to approach, and she'd give me her number easy-peasy with an a… | /r/seduction | 27/02/21 04:41 PM |
| 6 | Is dread game the only possible way to keep a girl from getting bored ?Dread game to me is overcompensation. And if you actually feel you need to practice it with a girl, she's probably the wrong girl. Guys think dread game works because they're terrified of becoming a simp and the girl losing all respect and attraction for him. The answer is actually real simple - don't be a simp! Be a bit of a mystery, keep your cards close to the chest, let her wonder about you, speculate, fantasize, obsess. All girls on some level need to do a little chasing of your vulnerabili… | /r/seduction | 27/02/21 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Is this disinterest?You did everything exactly right, especially flipping the script after she flaked and tried to set the hook by saying reach out again. Sometimes girls just flake man, or decide to put you on the back burner. Could be she's chasing an ex. Could be she just got with her crush. Could be something crushed her ego and she's hiding on her couch with ice cream and chick flicks. Point is, she's taken the position that you're not a priority to her. To pursue her after that is to start chasing. She's on y… | /r/seduction | 23/02/21 10:01 PM |
| 4 | How To Navigate Text GameBasically that if they start giving you signals of disinterest (long reply times, short boring texts, no initiation/reciprocation, ghosting etc.), that you shouldn't waste your time trying to figure out if she's actually interested or playing games. Just take her signals at face value and put her in your unreceptive pile. Either she's not playing games, in which case you responded perfectly correctly. And if she is playing games, then you not chasing forces her to choose whether to backpedal and… | /r/seduction | 23/02/21 08:05 PM |
| 5 | How To Navigate Text GameGiving a fuck isn't an on/off switch. But in your case mine is all the way off. Your intent seems to be just to talk shit and flex, which naturally begs the question why. But then I remembered I'm out of shits to give to you. | /r/seduction | 23/02/21 01:54 AM |
| 3 | How To Navigate Text GameYeah I give a fuck about sharing what I've learned and having a good time, fuck me right? Of the two of us, I don't think I'm the one with something to prove. Jussayin. | /r/seduction | 23/02/21 01:06 AM |
| 5 | How To Navigate Text GameAhh some good questions there. When it comes to the question of timing, that's why I try to avoid texting girls during business hours. Best time to text a girl is in the evening, early week, or late morning/early afternoon on the weekends. As for receptive vs acting unreceptive, I basically just assume attraction until it's clear she's unreceptive, then she goes in the slush pile. If she ghosts, I maybe text once to confirm, then return the favor. It's also important not to read too much into an… | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 10:56 PM |
| 11 | Rejection is Success.There's only two real forms of failure in game. The first is letting a girl slip away because you didn't have the balls to make a move or play for keeps. And the second is wasting time on a girl who obviously is a waste of time. You're not doing yourself any favors chasing the wrong girls. If anything you're just learning bad habits. A lot of times, girls will judge you based on your expectations of them. If you expect them to treat you like shit, lie to you, or dick you around, they're gonna re… | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 10:19 PM |
| 8 | How To Navigate Text GameSo, don't take it as an insult, but all you are saying is: Don't rush things, no chasing away with sexting, don't chase, take your time and be mysterious. Yeah the basics aren't that complicated, I was just trying to lay out a framework for guys who don't have much experience. No word about how to polarize, what to do if the girl is just plain shy, what if she isn't available the whole time, what about girls that are easily interested, what about girls inexperienced with chatting? I didn't want … | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 10:06 PM |
| 1 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameTom Cruise finds a way to pull it off and he's short, crazy, and in a cult. | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 09:59 PM |
| 5 | Is it ok to not want casual sex as a guy?There's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting casual sex. I think a lot of people these days are not doing casual sex right. They're either: Pursuing sex for the sake of ego. Pursuing sex to paper over/cover up their issues with their emotions/intimacy. Using sex as a power tool, which is downright toxic and ultimately self-harming. So those are three good reasons to avoid the casual sex dynamic. That being said however, there is one thing you should be aware of OP. And that is that in our c… | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 06:55 PM |
| 2 | Never wonder what you said wrong when she stops respondingThis. If a girl just randomly stops responding, there is literally no point in thinking about that situation a second longer. There is no way for you to know the why of it, and trying to figure it out will just lead you down a pointless rabbit hole. Chasing any further is futile, answers will not be forthcoming, and your only move really is to shrug and move on. Continuing to engage is worse than useless. That being said, here is what I've found are the most common reasons: She was just looking … | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 06:53 PM |
| 2 | How to differentiate platonic interest vs romantic interest?Put yourself out there a little. If she's into you, she'll reciprocate. If she's not, she'll politely brush it off. The difference between platonic and romantic/sexual interest is investment level and vulnerability. When someone isn't interested in you that way, they won't be that invested and they won't put themselves out there or respond to flirtations positively. | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 04:47 AM |
| 4 | Can we all agree that the indirect approach can be just as effective as direct approach and does not make you unconfident because you’re focusing on the end result vs being impatient.Direct versus indirect really depends on the girl and the context. Day game and in person works better with direct because girls in that context aren't expecting to be hit on and making an impression is key. Night game and online works better indirect because girls have their defenses up and screen out guys who come on too strong. Cold approaching works better with direct, especially during the day, while social circle game with all its minefields and lower tolerance for failure favors indirect.… | /r/seduction | 22/02/21 03:11 AM |
| 2 | what is something attractive that women do during conservation (in person)?Send clear signals. Ask good questions. If you're into it, reciprocate flirtations. Touch to show interest. Feel the ebb and flow of a conversation. Don't clam up when it's your turn to talk, and don't try to dominate the conversation. Have an air of curiosity about a guy. | /r/seduction | 20/02/21 04:51 PM |
| 228 | 2 Crucial Things to Remember in GameI'd add one more: It's supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, either you're off your game, or it's not meant to be. | /r/seduction | 20/02/21 04:48 PM |
| 3 | Came home from a date 10 minutes ago and everything went well, She wanted to meet again, She did say she’s not looking for a relationship at the moment but we can start as friends and see what will happend later, Does this mean she don’t really like me?There's one of two ways to read this: Either she just wants to keep her options open and wants a friends-with-benefits arrangement, and leave the heavy dating stuff to one side... Or she's sending to you to the friend zone. Which one it is largely depends on whether you guys had some physical chemistry, or did you just simp all over her for a couple hours and she lost interest. And if you're not sure, just leave it alone and let her make it clear. Her signals are a little mixed. Wanting to see y… | /r/seduction | 20/02/21 04:45 PM |
| 7 | Sex Addict?Personally, I think it's a little unrealistic to expect a guy 20+ years older than you to settle down with you and play house. And even if they did, there'd be a huge disparity in maturity level that would be difficult for even the most sincere relationship to overcome. Tbh OP, you're just asking to be taken advantage of. It's one thing for a girl your age to want to mess around with older guys, but wanting a relationship with them puts you in an even more subservient position, and not in a kink… | /r/seduction | 20/02/21 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Ok so I know a girl is interested in me, how do I get her number? Should I do it in person or over Insta?Honestly, go into this with the assumption you'll fuck it up sooner or later, that way there's no pressure. It's also safe to assume attraction at this point, so my question to you is: What would do you do if you were totally unconcerned with failure? Do that. And in case I'm not being clear, in person is always the choice unless it's not an option. Men always do better in person. | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 11:54 PM |
| 9 | The number one thing that women are attracted to that no one talks about, and very little guys pay attention to.Calibration is so key and it only really comes with experience. You have to get used to being present with a woman and understanding how she approaches the world. When you do that, then you gain a clearer understanding of what she wants and needs. Then it's just a question of flirting with giving her those things, and being clear about your needs and wants too. | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 05:57 PM |
| 8 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameAttracting and arousing a woman is only half the battle. That gets you chemistry. Compatibility is a whole different ball game, because that's about getting to know and understand each other on a non-sexual level. In some ways it's simpler, in some ways it's more complex. | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 07:45 AM |
| 5 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameThis might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bj84s9/all_of_game_summed_up_in_three_sentences | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 05:43 AM |
| 15 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameHonestly, I've had the most success with just doing the work and growing the fuck up. I'm not gonna pretend it's easy, but it works. It's suffering you choose rather than suffering imposed upon you. Meditation for anxiety and mood stabilization. Diet, sleep schedule and exercise for depression. Journaling. Grinding the career. Taking on leadership roles and responsibility. Taking the initiative and being willing to own a bad call, because that's how you learn. It's awful hard to invite people in… | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 05:01 AM |
| 11 | Tips for getting out of your head during cold approachingGet into the habit of just talking to people. Not just girls. Then when you do come across a girl you want to flirt with, you've already got the habit of approaching down. I find approach anxiety goes way way down once you're already talking to the girl. | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 02:42 AM |
| 41 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameI find the secret is what I call unconditionality. If you say things not caring how she responds, then you're in a good non-needy place. When you say things seeking a reaction, that's when you run the risk of appearing creepy or needy. Another thing to remember is outcome detachment. If you're not running the risk of coming across a bit too creepy, then you're playing it too safe. Sometimes a girl just won't be into you and you have to be able to accept that. That's why guys play the field, it's… | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 02:39 AM |
| 6 | The topic of confidence comes up a lot here, and I see a lot of people get it wrongThe best form of confidence is the one that requires zero flexing or faking, and that comes from being on your purpose and having self-esteem and courage. Make facing your fears a daily habit and one day you'll wake up and find you don't recognize the old you anymore. | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 02:31 AM |
| 16 | How To Make A Quantum Leap In Your Inner GameOne important thing to note is that sometimes the most boss move with a woman is to flirt indirectly (i.e. not with a direct/obvious sexual intent). Some women love to be teased, and some women won't feel safe with you if you bombard her with high-dosage sexuality right away. With those types, it's better to tease her and subtly frame her as sexually inadequate ("oh that's cute", bratty lil sister frame, "you're soo nice, but I like girls who have a dark side"). Then she'll chase your sexuality … | /r/seduction | 19/02/21 02:29 AM |
| -1 | I feel it's cringe worthy to wait for sometime before replying to a girl's text. Anybody else feels the same?My theory of text game is evolving to this point: If you allow a woman to play her game over texts, she'll play you. Women are too used to stringing guys along over text. In the same way that guys like having a set of women on tap that they can tap, women like the same thing with guys who will give them attention, so they can find the cajones to approach and sleep with the guy they're actually obsessing over. So it's crucial to get her playing your game by being polarizing and not letting her se… | /r/seduction | 18/02/21 04:50 PM |
| 3 | How to get good at using innuendos?Adopt the mindset she's already got screwing you on her mind and you want to play around with her without showing that you want it too. That's the mindset for doing innuendo properly. The hornier a woman is, the quicker she'll pick up on any sexual subtext to your words. Sometimes she'll even read in sexual meanings where you never intended it. This is why it's important not to be obvious. It's unnecessary and counterproductive - less is more. Make your language indirect. Avoid using words that … | /r/seduction | 18/02/21 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Keep getting ghosted. Am I trying too hard to build rapport over text? Do you just go straight for the date?One thing guys don't understand about text game is that it's biased in a woman's favor. A man's attractive power comes in the way he acts, the way he talks, the way he looks at a woman. His masculine energy. Which is hard to convey over text in an attractive way without exactly the right mindset and a lot of practice. Whereas a girl can convey her feminine energy with a picture and acting coy/hard to get. As a result, it's very easy for guys to try too hard over text, get over invested and give … | /r/seduction | 18/02/21 03:43 PM |
| 0 | Do alpha males, sigma males and beta males exist?Not really, because alpha and beta are contextual, subjective, and relative. So it's mostly just noise. To the extent they have any grounding in reality, it's how a man relates to social hierarchies around him. Alpha men seek a position of leadership in a social circle and try to place themselves at the top of the hierarchy. Betas just want to be accepted and as a result wind up lower down in the pecking order. And so far as I can tell, sigmas are guys that could be alphas but are too indifferen… | /r/seduction | 18/02/21 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Does weight matter?There's two things to be said about this subject. First, most women do not make their decisions on whether or not to fuck you based on your bodyfat %. It's not like she's sitting on the bed with a set of calipers and a notepad. Your masculine energy is what makes the difference. Fatter guys than you have banged hotter girls than you (Henry VIII comes to mind). Here's what I've observed. Men can get away with being overweight provided they own it and don't let it undermine their self-confidence. … | /r/seduction | 18/02/21 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Girl seemed interested but would not give number.I'm gonna operate on the assumption that OP isn't an unreliable narrator and say this. This happens sometimes when a girl gets too turned on and doesn't deal with sexual tension well. She gets anxious and starts withholding compliance and giving off indicators of disinterest. This isn't because she doesn't like you or doesn't trust you. She doesn't trust herself. I find there are two main ways a girl deals with her sexuality. One style is to repress it and deny their attraction and arousal to th… | /r/seduction | 17/02/21 05:36 PM |
| 7 | When a Girl Ghosts YouThere's two pieces of painful-experience wisdom that I find apply to ghosting. "When in doubt, shrug" - Women do all kinds of crazy things for all kinds of crazy reasons, especially in our current meta where unless you're the guy she's obsessed with, you're disposable. It ain't right but it's the way it is. And the only way to deal is to ration your shits to give and don't take the game too seriously. "If a girl ghosts, she's rejecting herself." - I consider ghosting to be bitchy immature behavi… | /r/seduction | 16/02/21 05:45 PM |
| 3 | I wonder how many guys in the seduction community are actually high value vs how many of them are trying to create the illusion of high value.Well here's what I think are some of the signs of whether you are actually high value, or just faking it: A high value man doesn't care whether he has one woman in his life, a ton, or none. He only cares about his happiness. A high value man doesn't wait for her to call or text. He goes about his life and either she reaches out or she doesn't. Low value men seek to bring women down to their level. High value men do the opposite. High value men view their sexuality as something of value that wome… | /r/seduction | 16/02/21 04:20 PM |
| 5 | Class and your social identity affects everything and most people can't hide itIn my experience, the best men don't subscribe to hierarchies. They might be aware of them, but they don't get caught up in them. They treat their boss and the new guy the same way. You rise to the top of a social hierarchy by not getting sucked into it. Then people come to respect to you and what you bring to the table, and then status flows to you. | /r/seduction | 14/02/21 01:11 AM |
| 25 | Getting Over Approach Anxiety: Part 1The best way to get over approach anxiety is just to get comfortable being extroverted and starting conversations with people you don't know. You took the first step which was just talking to people at random with a contrived reason. Might sound silly or dumb to some people, but it's a step for anyone suffering from approach anxiety. Next step should be to approach people and just shoot the breeze. Talk about something in your environment, and don't have any expectations or intentions. Good job … | /r/seduction | 14/02/21 01:08 AM |
| 1 | For the successful men on this sub, what seduction tips do you have for a late 20's woman?Great points, thank you. I think that it’s easy to forget that men crave emotional intimacy as much as women do despite what society says. Do you have any tips for making a man feel comfortable opening up? One way is to take the lead yourself, but don't overdo it. The two dangers there are being too vulnerable and looking pathetic or needy, and the other is getting over-invested. Don't give a fuckboy your heart - they don't want it and don't deserve it. Another is just to flat out say "I don't n… | /r/seduction | 14/02/21 12:24 AM |
| 2 | How often do girls friend zone guys who actually turn her on?Girls play the friend zone card for one of two reasons typically: She's just not feeling your masculine energy and is therefore not interested. Most common causes of that are you're over-invested/simping, failure to make a move, or she was never interested in you and you hid your intentions. She may like you on some level (i.e. was interested, physically attracted etc.), but you're just not a romantic/sexual priority for her and she wants to put you on a shelf. Most common causes of this are the… | /r/seduction | 13/02/21 09:30 PM |
| 9 | How do you escalate?Here's the secret. When she's not in her feminine energy, i.e. Not feeling like a desirable and sexy woman who wants a connection with you, attempting to sexually escalate on her will feel like a challenge and a threat and bring out her masculine energy. But when she is in her feminine energy around you (i.e. compliant, submissive and giving off the classic IOIs), you sexually escalating on her feels validating and gratifying to her, and makes her thirsty for more. When a girl is sufficiently in… | /r/seduction | 13/02/21 06:59 PM |
| 5 | Most people would rather look good in mediocrity than look stupid on the road to success. Here are three tips to prevent the fear of rejection, failure or embarrassment from holding you back.If you ain't failing, you ain't learning. You're staying in your comfort zone and shrinking as a person rather than growing. People who fear failure and judge others harshly for it are immature narcissists who will sooner or later bring on the very thing they fear, without the coping skills to handle it. | /r/seduction | 12/02/21 05:04 PM |
| 6 | Putting the debate to rest: What happens when you're *actually* a jerk? [PART 2]In other words, the parts of the Beauty and the Beast story that weren't safe for kids and therefore didn't make the cut. | /r/seduction | 12/02/21 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]A hallmark of a nice guy is trying to stick around in an obviously bad situation despite all the red flags. You won’t fix her, only she can fix herself. If you are a genuinely kindhearted person, this is a tough pill to swallow but some people are content wallowing in misery and fucking their lives up. It's disturbing and depressing when you discover that someone you like has no regard for the very things you find essential for sanity like self-awareness, personal responsibility, and maintaining… | /r/seduction | 11/02/21 04:26 PM |
| 3 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]That sometimes girls get so caught up in guarding their emotions and their ego that they actually foreclose any possibility of a genuine relationship. They're so caught up in not getting hurt that all they wind up doing in the long run is wasting their own time. Then it just becomes a lose-lose game battle. Regardless of whether or not they end up sleeping with the guy, they still lose. | /r/seduction | 11/02/21 03:43 PM |
| 7 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]She’s too busy protecting herself to realize that she’s playing herself. Part of not being a nice guy anymore, a huge part of knocking women off the pedestal, is that they quite often fuck up too. Yes exactly. You get it. One of the nastiest habits of a nice guy is trying to fix a situation that the girl fucked up and she knows it. Trying to persist in such a situation is desperate and that's exactly how she'll read it. It's not our job to fix her. It's not our job to redeem her, or show her the… | /r/seduction | 11/02/21 03:41 PM |
| 4 | For the successful men on this sub, what seduction tips do you have for a late 20's woman?Tbh, if there's one piece of advice I could give women, it'd be this - Learn to get better at building genuine connections with men. Men are under the belief right now that if they want a woman to be sexually attracted to them, they have to play into this ultra-masculine archetype. Strong and silent, only interested in sex, no vulnerability whatsoever. And as a result he won't be real with you. If you want a man to really like you, show him that it's okay for him to step out of that shell and yo… | /r/seduction | 11/02/21 03:25 PM |
| 4 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]I know, that's why I said what I said. | /r/seduction | 11/02/21 01:30 AM |
| 12 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]Uhh okay. You seem to be projecting now because you're allergic to feels. It's actually a good thing when women are real and vulnerable with you because it means she's in her feminine energy. You just have to stay in your masculine energy and not let her dwell on it, otherwise it'll kill the mood and she'll start viewing you as her friend. Irony is, we're more or less saying the same thing. I was more referring to the girls out there with vulnerability issues who would sooner blow you than tell … | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 10:25 PM |
| 29 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]I don't see how what I said made you feel the need to start posing like manic-Kanye. | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 10:16 PM |
| 1 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysYes that's exactly it, it was an ego thing with her. I just couldn't believe that she place "saving face" over the friendship. She also seemed to have some guilt issues, because she would not accept any responsibility and tried to shift the blame onto me at every turn. But yeah, bullet dodged, live and learn. Oh and one other thing, she didn't pull the no-contact, I did. She kept on acting like she just wanted to be friends again, but then when I'd say "okay let's meet up and talk", out came the… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 08:49 PM |
| 25 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]Simple. Women value emotional intimacy more than physical intimacy. There's plenty of guys out there who would fuck her, there's not so many that would be a good friend. So if you present yourself as someone for her to let her guard down with and spill her beans - she'll see you best case as potential boyfriend material, and worst case as an emotional tampon, and either way, her anti-slut defenses will kick in and she'll resist sleeping with you even if she's not opposed to the idea. The way you… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 08:39 PM |
| 7 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysI did own it. I said as much to her. I don't blame her for not wanting to hop into bed with me. I blame her for lying to me and milking the situation without any apparent consideration for my best interests. I tried to talk to her, before and after the end, and I just got the runaround for my trouble. She'd even accuse me of trying to hit on her at the very same time I'd be saying that I had didn't want that. It honestly felt like projection. But you did capture my mindset perfectly. I was frust… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 08:31 PM |
| 7 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysThanks! Her problem ultimately was that she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She wanted me to want her, but she wanted to keep her options open and have me wait until she sorted her shit out. Irony was, I was willing to wait as if push came to shove, my friendship with her was more important. But she needed to tell me the truth and she either wouldn't or couldn't. I also felt guilty because she had come around before sniffing to see if was interested in dating her, and I told her truth wh… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 07:46 PM |
| 37 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysYeah this seems to be a thing where men and women have a real disconnect. I had a longtime female friend for instance who had shown clear signs of interest in the past (drunken booty calls, random incidents of sexting, weird little hints etc.) but the timing was always wrong - until it wasn't. And while it was clear that she had nursed a crush on me for a long time, she was still hung up on her ex. And I couldn't win with her. She played all kinds of games, mixed signals, manipulation etc. After… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 07:21 PM |
| 88 | Putting the "nice guy" vs "jerk" vs "kind" debate to rest. [Part 1]The real key to resolving the Chad/Chump complex is this: Do not chase emotional intimacy or committment. If she's into you, she'll chase that. Your priority should be having fun with her and exploring the sexual chemistry. That's what attractive guys do. If you want to be her friend, sit there and discuss her feelings. If you want to sleep with her, flirt with her. Explore emotional intimacy when you're cuddling after sex, and even then be careful. It's sad, because I wish advice like this wasn… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Building Game While Building A Lifehttps://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/lh0c19/womens_real_standards/ | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 06:50 PM |
| 7 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysIf their ex is still on the scene, run. Not be cautious, just don't. That is unless you're just after sex and don't care if she goes back. And even then, make sure she's not using you to make the ex jealous - that's a recipe for drama you don't want nor need. Only exception I'd make to that is if their relationship was a long time ago and they've both moved on. And even then I'd keep an eye on that sitch. | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 06:48 PM |
| 156 | If she mentions her ex pay attention to what she saysDo not pursue women that are still hung up on their ex. No matter how much they like you, there's another man they're more invested in. If you must, invest as little as possible and let them chase. Girls who are coming off a breakup with a long-term boyfriend will be super desperate for attention and emotional intimacy, but simultaneously will want to keep their options open, both to play the field, and to leave the door open for going back to their ex. So if you give them that attention and emo… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 05:20 PM |
| 10 | Best books for the inner game i.e. how to become a man and things like getting liked for that by women and being respected by males and etc.Models No More Mr Nice Guy Way Of The Superior Man | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 03:10 PM |
| 3 | This entire subreddit seems to be about seducing women, what about seducing men?putting the phone down... Nowadays, my first instinct is when a girl does this on a date, she's testing my boundaries. | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 01:09 AM |
| 10 | Building Game While Building A LifeThere's one thing that I found exceptionally hard to overcome when I was doing major lifestyle improvements and that's accepting your flaws and believing you are good enough. When you're trying to upgrade your lifestyle, your nose is all up in your flaws and you're hyper-aware of them. But here's the secret - your flaws don't matter. Women don't actually want a perfect man! Women will act like they want the complete package in a man. Like they want him to be smart, handsome, charismatic, dominan… | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 12:25 AM |
| 2 | I need your helpRead Models. Single best standalone resource on seduction out there. | /r/seduction | 10/02/21 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?I don't have a problem with women having their guard up with guys they don't know. To be honest, you shouldn't trust us right off the bat. Sexuality has a nasty tendency of bringing out people's ugly side. What I have more of a problem with is...honestly...women treat men like objects now. Or like pets. And we can never say stuff like this outside of subs like this, without a whole bunch of white knights and ideological radfems hurling pejoratives and projecting their own bullshit onto us. When … | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 11:33 PM |
| 5 | A Girl accused me of doing Pick Up but we had a nice conversationI'm convinced that a lot of girls are secretly fascinated by pickup. Largely because girl game has become a bit of a lost art. | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 01:16 PM |
| 2 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?You've definitely got a point there about men falling for female players. It's so true. Like when it goes beyond whipped into "that guy is getting so manipulated it's painful to watch". One thing I have noticed, and especially in my female friends is sometimes women have major vulnerability issues too. I've had dealings with at least two girls who had major crushes on me, wanted to date me and everything, but were so scared of it not working out that they'd do that "come here/go away" thing wher… | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?"Women are so..." No man, the problem isn't with women. We are not the ones who created or enforced a system where men don't understand bondaries and nuances and how to engage in human interaction that they can't talk to women. Women generally have no problem talking to, getting along with, and relating to different is types of people, while men struggle with interacting with women as people. Honestly this seems a little defensive. Everyone has problems dealing with everyone, that's life. I'm no… | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 03:49 AM |
| 2 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?Yes I agree with a lot of what you said, but I still have one catch. One thing I've definitely picked up on in my travels through the dating world is that a lot of women have no real respect for male vulnerability. They just don't. I've seen it, both firsthand and in other people's interactions. Best case these types of women will grudgingly tolerate male vulnerability the same way a guy might grudgingly tolerate a woman's temper tantrums. But I've seen women lose respect for a man, distance the… | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 02:40 AM |
| 2 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?I'd say the problem is the demonization of male sexuality. Men have no way to figure out how to be masculine enough to attract a woman without overdosing except through trial and error. And the consequences of error are potentially severe, even if there was little to no actual harm done. The man has to take risks. He can't bet on women to throw him a bone or even approach him, even if he is attractive. But at the same time, women are so bipolar with male sexuality that if he comes on too strong,… | /r/seduction | 09/02/21 02:31 AM |
| 1 | Imagine know all the "theory"...If you can't strike up a conversation with a random stranger, you can't cold approach properly. That's how you get better at cold approaching - get more comfortable being social and extroverted with people you don't know and don't want anything from. What a woman respects and what turns her on is when she can't tell whether or not a man wants her until he decides he wants her. So approach women with the mindset of you want to know what she's about. That way, you haven't decided whether or not yo… | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 10:28 AM |
| 2 | How do I show intent without kissing the girl’s ass/ putting the girl on a pedestal?Give sexual affection as a reward, not a demand. Tease her, challenge her, playfully disqualify yourself ("you're too cute and innocent for me, I like bad girls"). When she plays along, she gets more invested in you, and you reward this with sexual attention, like touch, an earned compliment, or leading the interaction on. You want to establish that man-to-woman frame? Flirt with her. Polarize to attract. The time to show intent is the same as the way - kiss her. | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 10:22 AM |
| 3 | Straight men and women cannot be "just" friendsYes they can, but it can also get messy very easily. It usually goes bad in one of two ways. Men have a problem with female friends is that it easily becomes an emotional affair. You're spending time together, you have that rapport and maybe even emotional intimacy, maybe a lot of investment. The only thing separating that from a relationship is a sexual connection. And if she's attractive, then the question of her and him in the guy's mind is a matter of time. And then that brings all kinds of … | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 10:16 AM |
| 11 | Women that “like sensitive guys?” Its a trap!What's left unsaid is "real men aren't afraid to cry, when it's appropriate for them to do so." Women like to believe their man is so ballsy and authentic that if say his kid dies, he'll cry and not give a fuck. But of course, women's standards on when it's appropriate for a man to cry is often capricious, left unsaid, or decided in the moment. | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 10:03 AM |
| 27 | Women that “like sensitive guys?” Its a trap!I was talking to a girl I hooked up with years and years ago and she made two really interesting points on this subject. Girls legit prize guys they can be emotionally vulnerable with more than guys they can sleep with. The way they figure it, they can find a fuckable guy fairly easily. A guy they can be real with is rarer, so they have a tendency to friend zone these guys in the belief they will stick around longer than whatever gomers she invites into her bed or tries to date. You see this a l… | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 07:45 AM |
| 1 | She responds to my text later or a day later. What to do?Responding to your texts super slow is a passive-aggressive way of her telling you to stop wasting your time. | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 04:18 AM |
| 1 | How do you create a spark?Surprise her. Preferably in a good way. | /r/seduction | 08/02/21 04:15 AM |
| 5 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?Femininity is not necessarily weak, it's just not masculine. And your advice is a great way to get stuck playing the Chad with some high-maintainence girl who doesn't really like you. Yeah you get laid, but you're also stuck in a covert contract that you'll eventually come to regret. Have you ever met a guy who was supposedly 100% masculine? First, it's almost always an act. Nobody is actually wired that way. Very reminiscent of Mark Manson's "fake alpha" archetype. Second, they tend to be impul… | /r/seduction | 07/02/21 03:57 PM |
| 5 | Should you SHOW MASCULINITY to a woman ALL THE TIME?No woman is gonna be attracted to you if you act like a wimp or a simp more often than not. She wants you for your masculinity the same way you want her for her femininity. That being said however, nobody can be in their masculine/feminine energy all the time and you shouldn't want to be. Ever dated a super-feminine woman? Here's the short version - super cute, great sexual chemistry, very loving and loyal, but also needy, indecisive, shy when they should be bold, silent when they should speak u… | /r/seduction | 07/02/21 03:51 PM |
| 3 | The most surefire way to botch a new relationship is by becoming too overly invested in it prior to the other person matching your investment.Np, also consider the following. Would you really hook up with a girl just on the basis of seeing her across the room? If she walked up to you and said, hey let's go screw in the bathroom, would you really feel comfortable with that? And before you ask, yes that has happened to me, yes she was serious, and yes it was off-putting. The reason why this is relevant is because you shouldn't go into your interactions with women with the intention to sleep with her pre-formed. That's what's desperate, … | /r/seduction | 04/02/21 01:07 AM |
| 7 | The most surefire way to botch a new relationship is by becoming too overly invested in it prior to the other person matching your investment.Why not instead focus on having a good time and building chemistry. That's an intention you don't have to hide and gets you where you need to go. That way, your focus is instead on staying present and enjoying yourself. If she chooses not to flirt back or respond in kind, then you know not to waste anymore time on her because it's obviously not gonna work. That way, you don't have to "force" making a move. If the vibe is right and you're getting out of your own way, it'll come naturally. | /r/seduction | 04/02/21 12:30 AM |
| 3 | Unexpected social media requestYes she's into you. She tracked you down on FB. Trick is not to read too much into it. Maybe she's aching for you, maybe she's just curious. Doesn't matter. If you want to see her, chat her up and ask her out. She's gone to the effort to find you on FB, least you could do is initiate back. What's important is that you don't get trapped in your head. Tease her and flirt with her, but don't play games. Be honest, but don't overshare. Compliment her when she's earned it, but don't simp. My advice w… | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 10:19 PM |
| 2 | She told me "there's no chemistry" after 4 awesome datesThe behavior of "acting inauthentically" can be all over the place. If anything it's defined by its extremes. But in the context of dating, what it was really is, is "behaving in a way that is motivated by desire to achieve a specific outcome, rather than natural expressions of one's personality". When guys do this, it's like when a girl fakes or exaggerates her sexual interest, or plays really hot and cold. It makes a guy unable to trust her, because he doesn't know what she's playing at or if … | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 09:29 PM |
| 15 | The most surefire way to botch a new relationship is by becoming too overly invested in it prior to the other person matching your investment.Dude, she's into you. Trust me. If anything she's probably frustrated that you aren't returning her flirtations/making a move. Get out of your head and act authentically. If you like her and want something more, return the flirtations, and take some initiative. Just don't get super invested in an outcome like hooking up or becoming bf/gf. Just do and say what feels right and don't go from 0 to 100. Just get in the ring. | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 06:41 PM |
| 14 | She told me "there's no chemistry" after 4 awesome datesIt's not that complicated. She was into you, but then you got tunnel-vision, got trapped in your head, she started doubting the vibe (likely on the third date when your anxiety peaked), and then she pulled back. She likely went over to your place seriously considering sleeping with you, but you were giving off the wrong vibe, so she hit the eject button. To me, the key thing to pick up from OP's post was when she came back saying she wasn't feeling the chemistry, she asked what he thought of her… | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 06:03 PM |
| 22 | The most surefire way to botch a new relationship is by becoming too overly invested in it prior to the other person matching your investment.Guys get over-invested because they place too much of an emphasis on getting laid. Even if they don't say anything outright, if there's one thing girls are attuned to spot in guys, it's how much they want to smash. There's two reasons why this pattern is an attraction-killer: It undermines, often fatally, any sincere interest/rapport you have in her. She can't trust you if your intent is too obvious. Everything you say and do is tainted with a vibe of potential manipulation. She can't feel the v… | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 05:40 PM |
| 1 | How to deal with rejectionRejection is just feedback, nothing more, nothing less. It could be totally deserved, it could have more to do with them. It could be that you had a shot and you blew it, it could never have been meant to be. The inescapable truth is that rejection is inevitable, if not the norm. Not even rock stars are compatible with everyone they meet, what happens instead is that compatible people seek them out. But you aren't gonna get good without experiencing rejection and learning to take it in stride. I… | /r/seduction | 03/02/21 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Be the PLAYER that WOMEN LOVE!Yep pretty much. I've learned through painful experience that no matter how much a girl actually likes and wants you, and vice versa... if a guy's thirstiness and neediness is what's driving the interaction she'll be reluctant to sleep with him. It just won't feel right. Also, I hope you don't mind but I creeped your Reddit history (your username piqued my interest) and I came across this: I have raised my daughter to think of her sexuality for herself, first and foremost. I believe too many wom… | /r/seduction | 01/02/21 11:52 PM |
| 17 | Be the PLAYER that WOMEN LOVE!Honestly, I'm convinced that the secret of going from being okay with women to being great with women is conquering sexual neediness. Without it, you can have literally all the other elements, and she can even be into you, but your thirst will get you in the end. Guys simp because they put the pussy on a pedestal. Then everything they say and do in the direction of that woman has the goal of getting her to sleep with him. And women aren't stupid - if there's one thing that's easy for them to spo… | /r/seduction | 01/02/21 09:25 PM |
| 2 | What tricks can I use to fool girls into thinking that I have other options, and am not easily replaceable?First, stop giving a shit about other guys. There will always be guys out there more awesome and less awesome than you. Your only real competition is yourself and if a girl passes on you at your best to go hang with some chode, it says more about her than it does about you. Second, you're on the right track. If you just get thrown by a little bit of attitude from her, you're right, she will just move on to other guys, and why not? But if you do have something with her and she clearly screws it u… | /r/seduction | 27/01/21 06:10 PM |
| 1 | What tricks can I use to fool girls into thinking that I have other options, and am not easily replaceable?Thanks for this advice! A few questions: what do you mean by "Stop worrying about earning her trust, start challenging her to earn yours?" Girls go into their interactions with guys with the semi-valid assumption that guys only want one thing. Therefore, if a girl wants to find reasons to distrust a guy, she will. And often, the harder you try to earn her trust, the more she'll distrust you, because actual attractive non-needy guys don't care as much. The way around that is to get her to earn yo… | /r/seduction | 27/01/21 05:31 PM |
| 11 | Shy girl IOI signalsInitiation, reciprocation, compliance. These are the only reasonably surefire indicators of interest because they reflect her decisions in regards to you. Everyone has different body language and patterns of behavior. And sometimes they could be exaggerating or in an unusual state (i.e. drunk, super happy or horny, sad, distracted, etc.). When a girl makes the first move with you, it's as clear an indicator of interest as it gets. That's why women don't do it as often as men do. For women, there… | /r/seduction | 27/01/21 04:07 AM |
| 4 | What tricks can I use to fool girls into thinking that I have other options, and am not easily replaceable?No tricks required. Have standards. Nothing screams desperation like not having boundaries or expectations. You're not Jesus and nobody sane expects you to be. Invest in your social life so if and when you have to drop a girl, it's no big deal. You can't negotiate with someone you can't tell to go to hell when necessary, and a big part of seduction is in fact negotiation. Remember that some girls will test you to the point where a reasonable person would expect rejection. Sometimes they're just … | /r/seduction | 27/01/21 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Your race has little to nothing to do with your success with women.The effect of race largely shows up in whether someone is wired to be more "birds of a feather" or "opposites attract". Outside of someone being a full-blown racist, that's how it shows up. So this is what you do. If you're concerned about not making it with the "birds of a feather" type, make yourself more compatible in other ways. Dress in a similar style, have common interests, improve your lifestyle etc. And if you're more into the "opposites attract", lean into it. Nowadays, many girls and … | /r/seduction | 22/01/21 11:53 PM |
| 1 | What causes you to lose interest in a girl?Seduction is a dance. He says something, you say something. He flirts and you respond, then you flirt and he responds. He makes a move, and you play along, or not. Your choice. The secret to understanding seduction (from my perspective and experience at least) is understanding that like any dance - someone has to lead and someone has to follow. And ideally, you'll trade roles repeatedly. Because that's how a solid two-way connection is formed. And when it's working, you'll know. You'll have that… | /r/seduction | 22/01/21 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Was on a date, it went very well, lots of typical IOIs etc. During the date she twice made remarks about how she gets interest from guys - what does this mean?The biggest tell is her body language. If she's laughing and smiling and enjoying herself, and then starting talking about how other guys chase her. It's number 1 for sure. If she's in a shall we say less buoyant mood, and more kinda hanging back and studying you, and not in a such a happy way, it's likely number 2. Another tell is that number one always looks similar, while number two can take many different forms, but the key sign is the absence of the body language of number 1. | /r/seduction | 20/01/21 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Was on a date, it went very well, lots of typical IOIs etc. During the date she twice made remarks about how she gets interest from guys - what does this mean?Ehh I'd hold your horses there a little bit. You're not wrong in the sense that you shouldn't overreact to the BF bomb, but it's actually useful information. Girls don't drop the BF bomb for no reason. In fact there's generally only two: She's feeling the vibe you're giving and while she may like it (and often does), she does this to give you fair warning that to the world, she's romantically unavailable. To warn you off, as a statement of no interest. When you take the context into consideratio… | /r/seduction | 20/01/21 12:05 AM |
| 2 | You can't logically convince someone to find you attractive.Yes stay away from covert contracts, and if they play games, do not play along. | /r/seduction | 19/01/21 05:33 PM |
| 2 | Was on a date, it went very well, lots of typical IOIs etc. During the date she twice made remarks about how she gets interest from guys - what does this mean?Forget what the other guys are saying, it goes something like this. A girl has only two reasons to talk about other guys/how much interest she gets from other guys with you: She's qualifying herself to you. Sort of saying "I'm hot you know, guys want me, you should want me too." Proper way to handle that is to test her frame and encourage her to qualify herself more, then reward her with some sexual attention/affection. The trick is not to respond to this with immediate interest/attention - then… | /r/seduction | 19/01/21 05:32 PM |
| 1 | How to spot an abuserThis is actually important advice. Not all abuse is sexual or physical violence. Women abuse men primarily through manipulation. They turn all the best things about you, the things you offer her, into the tool they use to control you. Sometimes they'll escalate to outright coercion by threatening to leave you, harm themselves, call the cops and make false accusations. And God help you if you have a kid with them. Physical violence isn't off the table either. Women generally don't resort to it, u… | /r/seduction | 17/01/21 08:39 PM |
| 1 | I think I've found a really effective cold approach strategy: "you look really familiar..."Re-inventing the wheel much. This is not a new line. Approaching to me is really simple. If you're going direct, walk up and give her a gentle non-sexual compliment, then start making small talk and go from there. If you're going indirect, use an opinion opener or talk about something in your environment, then gently tease her at an opportune moment. And if you're really stuck, just say hi and go from there. In pickup, simple solutions and methods always beat more complex ones. | /r/seduction | 17/01/21 07:02 PM |
| -2 | It's not that 'nice guys' finish last, it's men forced into acting nice as a result of them being too weak to stand up for themselves or their beliefs that will never prosper.That's not really nice guy to me, that's just being an immature isolated narcissist. Nice guy is sacrificing yourself to make others happy. | /r/seduction | 08/01/21 06:26 AM |
| 1 | It's not that 'nice guys' finish last, it's men forced into acting nice as a result of them being too weak to stand up for themselves or their beliefs that will never prosper.To me the real danger of being a "Nice Guy" is this: Sacrificing your integrity and best interests to please others naturally breeds resentment. It has to. The only time it this isn't the case is when it's for people you truly love, and even then. Maybe someone with a truly masochistic personality could stomach it, but I wouldn't know, nor do I think that's something for people to emulate. Resentment is one of the most toxic emotions out there. It catalyzes envy and jealousy, causes people to la… | /r/seduction | 08/01/21 06:24 AM |
| 11 | Guaging sexual interest vs romantic interestThis is extremely helpful. I can't say I haven't seen women turn down guys when they were ready to get it on with them a while ago. I've seen how desperate and needy we men can get once we think we've sealed the deal. Also with the shy thingy, now that i think back. Most of my exes that I've been in serious relationships with have been really shy first. This is a common pattern nowadays particularly with younger men who do have some experience. It comes their way because they unintentionally att… | /r/seduction | 05/01/21 07:24 PM |
| 61 | Guaging sexual interest vs romantic interestThis is actually a good question because attraction and arousal are not the same thing. Here's my thought on the matter. When some is attracted to you, you have their attention. And they'll try to work to keep it that way. When someone is aroused, you have their investment. You're not just some guy, you matter. Now not all women are the same. Some need attraction before they need arousal, and with some, they won't give enough of a shit until they feel some chemistry. The attraction first types t… | /r/seduction | 05/01/21 03:07 AM |
| 1 | Being Present and Asperger's Syndrome/Thread. Meditation and exercise are how men de-stress and get rid of anxiety. | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 07:39 PM |
| 30 | When do you apply persistence vs just moving on?Really depends on the vibe. I'd say the key variable is how did things go wrong and how willing you are and she is. If it's just some little hiccup or something beyond your control went pear-shaped then why not. But if there's just no chemistry (or worse anti-chemistry)... If you feel you have to force it or it's taking too much effort.... If she just doesn't seem into it or isn't making an effort... Then it's best to cut bait. The "fuck yes, or no" rule also applies here. If you're not enthusia… | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 07:36 PM |
| 2 | The importance of self confidence and how to gain itYou get confidence through competence and the barrier to attaining competence is fear. In order to gain competence at something, you have to push past the fear of getting out of your comfort zone and be willing to fail in the name of getting better. One of the best things to do is to face your fears in other areas of your life outside of women. Do this successfully and you'll find you're much more present and DGAF with women. Women like men with confidence because when they're around guys they f… | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 04:43 PM |
| 2 | How to deal with women saying "That guy over there seems hotter/smarter/funnier/etc..."I find girls give the jealousy shit test when they're not feeling your intentions towards them. Sort of an immature way of saying "are you gonna come on to me or what? I'm dying here". So if you and her are on the same page, you shouldn't be getting that shit test unless she's super insecure/needy/immature. | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 04:38 PM |
| 1 | How to deal with women saying "That guy over there seems hotter/smarter/funnier/etc..."If she's saying it in an obviously flirtatious way, agree and amplify. If she's doing it to troll, ditch her. If she's doing that shit early on over nothing, she'll def do it again when you're invested and playing for keeps. | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 04:35 PM |
| 0 | Looking for solid scientific research into what makes a man sexually attractive to the opposite genderScience is not science until it a) has predictive power and b) can be and is experimentally tested. There is nothing the academics have produced that meets these thresholds on this topic. Therefore there is little, if any hard science on sexual attraction, and this is unsurprising given that much of the human mind and our decision-making processes have yet to be cracked by the scientific method and the experimental tools we have at our disposal. Yes I did engage in personal conjecture of my own.… | /r/seduction | 02/01/21 05:57 PM |
| 8 | Looking for solid scientific research into what makes a man sexually attractive to the opposite genderLet me spare you the search. There is nothing scientifically proven about sexual attraction and anyone who says different is trying to sell you something. Seriously, trying to find something here will lead you into all kinds of rabbit holes about pheromones, major histocompatibility complexes, evopsych bullshit, and neurotransmitters. And it won't make anything clearer because all there is there is hypotheses, correlations, and conjecture. The real answer is this: What sexually attracts everyone… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:29 PM |
| 5 | What are some men hoping to accomplish when they talk to a woman like she's an object?There's three reasons that guys hit on girls like how OP is describing. The first is the simplest - they just have no clue and they're basically spitballing. Even I do this sometimes, despite knowing better. The second is more complicated and I'll explain it like this. Guys through trial and error have figured out that if they want to turn a girl on and get her invested in making something happen, they need to show some sexual intent. The difficulty is, figuring out exactly how much intent to sh… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:17 PM |
| 9 | How do I establish man-to-woman frame in a conversation?My head would spin too, but experience tells me a different story. I'd prefer it too if people were straightforward and didn't play games. But people do play games and you have to be ready for it if you want make things happen. I totally agree that all that nonsense about tempo is ultimately silly, but when girls take three hours to text back for no good reason, either you become super-picky or learn to beat them at their own game. Not to mention, there's loads of girls who only text guys to get… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 05:37 PM |
| 1 | How to kino during the pandemic?In a weird way, if there's one thing this pandemic bullshit has made more visible, it's the notion of personal space. Because of social distancing, everyone's bubble has gotten a lot wider. Another thing to notice is some people actually follow the 6 feet rule, and many people just keep a distance they're comfortable with. As it applies to touching women, it just adds an extra step which is closing the physical distance to something a little more normal and both of you sorta silently agreeing to… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 03:19 AM |
| 1 | Unable to approach women in public places.Honestly, I'd focus more on developing friends and networks than trying to chat up random girls at Walmart. Especially with all this Covid crap going on, it's like cold approach on hard mode and you might not get much, even in terms of learning out of it. A big part of game is just learning how to be more social and develop social awareness. And game is ten times harder when you have no friends and no network. You just get lonely and isolated and lose perspective. What you should not take away f… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 03:15 AM |
| 3 | How do I establish man-to-woman frame in a conversation?The term tempo, the way I'm using it comes from chess. It basically means being a step ahead. Similar to "stealing a march", it means having the initiative. In text game, the person who's less invested has the initiative because they don't have to work as hard to keep the conversation going. So they can respond later, text less, and initiate without necessarily appearing to be chasing. The basic tip for doing this is to text less and with less words. And what words you do use, use them wisely fo… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 12:34 AM |
| 17 | How do I establish man-to-woman frame in a conversation?As Mark Manson says, there's two primary techniques for flirting with women - teasing and leading. You tease a woman to demonstrate that you're not that invested in her opinion of you and are willing to risk her disapproval. Teasing is how you get a woman attracted to you. And leading is where you demonstrate a sexual intent (without using words) and give her the opportunity to accept your direction or reject you. Leading is how you get a girl aroused and invested in making something happen with… | /r/seduction | 27/12/20 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Is Seduction IMMORAL? Finally SETTLED!In other words, those denouncing seduction as it is discussed on this subreddit would prefer for girls to be lonely and guys to be in non-optimal relationships selected from a small pool of contacts. Actually yes, that's exactly it. There's three kinds of people who have a hate-on for the seduction community: Dudebros who rely on crutches to get girls and are insecure about having to compete with a larger pool of guys who actually have game. Girls, usually of an SJW variety, who think seduction … | /r/seduction | 27/12/20 07:05 PM |
| 2 | Dates go well but girls become flaky after?Here's the best way I can explain it. When a girl is attracted to you, she wants and needs to feel some sexual intent out of you to get aroused. This is what's behind Rules 1&2 - when she's attracted, she'll respond positively when you hit on her and she'll often not be terribly picky. When she's not attracted, she'll respond the exact opposite way. What this means is for a guy, you have to walk a bit of a tightrope. Obviously if you come on too strong, it'll make you look desperate and make her… | /r/seduction | 26/12/20 07:17 PM |
| 1 | It's hard because of shitty menI feel somewhat obliged to offer a counterpoint to this. Yes, women are a lot more concerned about their safety than men are. Yes it's a good idea not to be needy, creepy, or pushy if for no other reason than that's no fun for her to be around. But sometimes an attractive woman is just a shitty person. I once took a took a girl to a party. I wasn't needy, creepy, or pushy. Nor was I a totally lame simp either. She spent the whole night acting like I was trying to get in her pants when I honestly… | /r/seduction | 19/12/20 02:17 PM |
| 2 | I am physically at the best I’ve ever been but still have sub par results with womenYou're over-pursuing. If you're good looking/in shape enough to get female attention on that alone, you should be getting at least some lays. My guess is you over-pursue and this makes the girls get bored and flake or try and friend zone you, yes? Get to the bottom of your need for female validation and you'll likely see better results. For me it was about getting over my free-floating anxiety and porn addiction. It's either something like that, or you're totally locking up around women and not … | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 01:45 AM |
| 1 | I feel inferior to other guys in dating. There are always bigger, more handsome, richer etc. dudes and I feel insecure. How should I overcome this feeling?You don't need to be the best at everything to get girls. All you really need is the right things in your head: Happy in your own life and self-sufficient. Being on your purpose so you don't get obsessed with chasing tail. The ability to not give enough of a shit that you're both outcome independent and willing to take chances. The rest is just practice and experience. Sure it gets easier to attract women with the trifecta of looks, money, and status, but who's to say that doesn't come with its … | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Any Potential Solution to Flaky Girls?Conquering your thirst is one of the hardest things a guy can face. And nearly every guy faces it, in one way or another, at some time or another. I say it get it over with fast if you want success with women, because otherwise you'll always be in a submissive position with them. They'll always have something you want, and no matter how well you hide it, it will leak out, especially if she's a girl worth pursuing. A lot of girls have the same problem as well. If you think guys get lonely, women … | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Any Potential Solution to Flaky Girls?Yea I've never been much of "gamer" in the dating since at least. I'm just open, honest, and straight forward. Sex isn't really my only intention I'm not turning it down anytime soon, but I really am trying to get to know these women. How am I giving off a "fuck me" vibe and how do I stop? Honestly, in some cases you'd be a bit further ahead if sex openly was your intention. She already assumes it anyway. The secret is to assume and never say that she wants it too. The problem with being straigh… | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 02:36 PM |
| 7 | If you're naturally shy how do you pick up women?Reframe your shyness. Instead of being shy, you're the "strong, silent type". Women still do go nuts for that kinda guy. The trick is being able to pair it with some basic flirtation skills and a lot of patience. Use your aloofness to screen women. Make them earn your attention, give you those indicators of interest, and you'll feel a lot more comfortable escalating with those women. Women don't actually like guys who talk too much, half the time I swear what women really want is a guy with the … | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 01:26 PM |
| 3 | Any Potential Solution to Flaky Girls?You're under-gaming these girls and generally being too easy. That's why all the flakes, you're just another guy saying in so many different ways "hey want some dick?" It's like a girl who makes herself a sure thing and then wonders why he doesn't call. It would be a better world if people actually appreciated people properly, but that which is easily gained is easily taken for granted. My advice to you OP is to shift your frame of reference. You're treating these girls like they're the prize an… | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 01:19 PM |
| 9 | How to steer the conversation into going home with them?Touch her. You need a sexual connection to get her to go home with you, otherwise what's the point? When a guy says "hey you should come over and check out my vinyl collection/meet my dog/hang at my after-party" - she's not fooled. Those things are just the face saving excuse. Conversation just gets you in the door and gives her something to ostensibly focus on other than your body. Sexual chemistry and tension is what makes her leave with you. The trick is not to overdo it and not get too physi… | /r/seduction | 04/08/20 02:02 PM |
| 67 | How to Handle “What are We?” / “Where are We Going?”100% approve. Lying to women and manipulating them is needy bullshit. All it does is screen for women who lie and manipulate themselves because girls who aren't into that will lose patience with it fast, the same way how a guy with self-esteem will not accept being strung along. The truth is a lot of girls out there do want or at least don't mind a casual thing depending on where they are in life and how they feel about you. A useful tip is not to go too hard on the emotional connection front if… | /r/seduction | 04/08/20 01:46 PM |
| 4 | To the guys here who became confident - what made it click?Honestly this is something where being in a relationship really helps. What I find really starts the shift is actually feeling sexually desirable to women. That's how you see guys with fucked up self-esteem get laid - they at least know how it feels so they have an easier time "playing the Chad". It's often what makes naturals so good - they intuitively know their value to women and then just accrue experience. Girls don't give guys compliments or express much if any direct interest to guys they… | /r/seduction | 02/08/20 03:27 PM |
| 1 | As someone who has done relatively well in a conservative country and plan on moving to Toronto, please be brutally honest about what ethnic minorities like me who are outliers (explained) should expect, accept, and strive to improve onHow other people feel or think about your ethnicity is something you cannot control. Sometimes it'll work in your favor because you're different. Other times it might work against you, because people are stupid. The key thing is good social skills and being able to fit in the culture. That matters everywhere and to everyone. The straight truth is I've seen tons of brown guys who did just fine with women. I was impressed with two guys in particular, and ironically they were both short and both ha… | /r/seduction | 28/07/20 03:35 AM |
| 1 | been taking a lot of Ls in dating scene, since divorceI've been finding myself in a similar situation OP, where I'm just getting myself out of a serious funk and while I've had plenty of opportunities with some legit gorgeous women, well... Lately I've had more girls cry on my shoulder than kiss me. And it's not like I'm some total nice guy virgin either. Once upon a time, I knew what I was doing more or less with women. Anyway, yesterday I had a brain wave. My problem, and maybe it's yours too OP was that I was taking these women far too seriously… | /r/seduction | 23/07/20 03:54 PM |
| 434 | I moved a curl behind his earEspecially these days, breaking the touch barrier is a boss move for chicks who want to show a little interest. It's not as out there as you think (so most well adjusted guys won't read too much into it) and it allows the guy to reciprocate. Guys are more self-conscious about being a creep more than ever before, so a girl showing the right amount of interest at the right time is a great catalyst. It won't make a guy fall for you, but if he is interested, it will encourage him to put himself more… | /r/seduction | 22/07/20 06:23 AM |
| 2 | 41... too old to start learning game?Of course not. Don't even do it for the women. From what I've seen and experienced, a lot of guys who have issues with women, the root of the problem is in their heads. Get to the bottom of that and getting more attention from women is just the cherry on top. And when it comes to age and looks, one thing you'll learn is that men have it easy in that department. | /r/seduction | 22/07/20 06:17 AM |
| 9 | So is rejection good or not? What's the consensus?It's inevitable. Nothing more, nothing less. Each rejection is a little bit different and the key is taking your ego out of the equation so it both doesn't haunt you, and you're in an optimal position to learn any lessons. Some are just because you represented yourself badly. Sometimes it's a symptom of a persistent problem or a sticking point. Some have more to do with her than they do with you. She could be strung out on another guy. She may be insecure and rejecting you out of pre-emptive spi… | /r/seduction | 22/07/20 03:24 AM |
| 1 | How does one express to a woman that he like her without being or acting needy?Exactly. | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 03:58 PM |
| 1 | How does one express to a woman that he like her without being or acting needy?Ask her a question. Tease her, challenge her a little. The way to set up a statement is with a question. Not that complicated. | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 03:04 PM |
| 4 | How does one express to a woman that he like her without being or acting needy?By communicating indirectly. Telling a girl you straight up like her is like spoiling the movie. Even if she wants you to like her, it's boring and lame to just hand her your keys like that. And it begs the question of why would you want to? Maybe needing to spill your guts is the neediness? If you want to show a girl that you like her, communicate it through the intent behind your words. If you want a girl to feel liked and approved of, give her an earned compliment. If you want a girl to feel … | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 01:51 PM |
| 2 | The Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks theory, do you guys think this is a common in the dating market?There's two things driving that trend. The first is the sexual marketplace favoring women right now, the same way it favored men back in the 1950s and all the women complained about the Madonna/whore complex. The second is men themselves in the doldrums. These days, men are either good at playing the provider or the lover role and suck at doing both. And that's largely due to our unhealthy society and our fucked-up relationship with masculinity and male sexuality. So the way women adapt is the s… | /r/seduction | 19/07/20 05:51 PM |
| 48 | Why do women get disinterested in the men they find intellectual and smart, whom they like previously ?They talk too much. That's why. Highly verbal guys have a nasty tendency to give away too much and make themselves into a sure thing. And then they wonder why they wind up in the friend zone. It's not like you need to go to the opposite extreme and go uber-"strong, silent type". You just need to recognize that less is more and learn to develop a filter. Having brains and things of value to say is a selling feature, but circulating too much of that currency drives down its value. Let her wonder, … | /r/seduction | 19/07/20 05:46 PM |
| 2 | Am I on the back burner?Hanging back and observing could be what got you into this. Your passivity may have made her feel insecure, which leads to mixed messages, which makes you feel insecure. Not a dynamic you want to feed. You need to make the decision that you're either gonna re-engage with this girl at the right time and take action properly, or you're gonna walk away. The question you need to answer is whether or not she wants something, or has she given up and just wants attention. Could be either. See what tune… | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 03:03 AM |
| 3 | Am I on the back burner?Yeah there's some kinda weirdness going on there. My instinct would be to pull back. Either she's gonna keep pursuing and make things clear, or she's gonna keep sending mixed messages. Either way, you move is to walk backwards, not necessarily run. You sound too passive and too in your head. When in doubt, shrug. And when a girl is stepping into your sights, do something and see what happens. Even if it totally blows up in your face, there are other girls. | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 02:41 AM |
| 4 | This woman needs your advice!This is a hard one. There are male Youtubers out there who do specialize in coaching women, but girl game is in many ways legit difficult. Not gonna lie OP, don't expect much out of this thread sadly. Men have the luxury of being able to cast a wide net. Our standards for a woman for sex are not that high, but relationships much more so. Women have sort of an equal and opposite problem in that it's far easier to get dating opportunities, and far more difficult to guide them to your desired outco… | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 02:29 AM |
| 0 | The most common mistakes guys make in the fieldThis is one of the most quality posts I've seen in months. My experience jives with every single point. | /r/seduction | 07/07/20 03:07 AM |
| 8 | The most common mistakes guys make in the fieldI've met women who could and did take the lead, ones who wanted to lead but weren't good at it, ones that couldn't lead nor follow, or ones that simply would not lead for one reason or another, sometimes good ones. I don't have a problem with women taking the lead, that's how I cashed in my V-card. But I'm not gonna kid myself into thinking that expecting women to take the lead is a viable strategy. It flies in the face of experience. What I actually find is that both people have to take the lea… | /r/seduction | 07/07/20 03:05 AM |
| 1 | The most common mistakes guys make in the fieldI disagree. You can't lead an interaction without putting some energy into it. You have to apply a little bit of pressure in order to polarize and get your counterpart to make a decision. What women don't like is when guys are too intense, or spazzy, can't follow the vibe, or can't control their energy level. Some girls like party animals, some girls like the chill smooth guy. Some girls respond to both or neither at different points in the dance. | /r/seduction | 07/07/20 03:00 AM |
| 2 | The most common mistakes guys make in the fieldActually no. This is how not to be #2. So much of good game is just doing the opposite of these mistakes. | /r/seduction | 07/07/20 02:58 AM |
| 1 | Do girls like "nice guys" or "bad boys"?It really depends on how girly the girl is. Really girly girls want bad boys because they're they're the opposite. They want the stones to tell society as a whole to fuck off and live life on their own terms, but they want to be accepted more. So they gravitate towards guys who don't give a shit what society thinks of them. And it's not so much about being an outlaw biker, as much as it is about being super non-needy. That's what the girls are reacting to. Even if they think it's the tats, or th… | /r/seduction | 04/07/20 08:33 PM |
| 3 | What does Reddit think of the Californication show ? Accurate or completly bullshit ?Hank Moody is a Gary Stu but he does demonstrate good qualities to emulate like extreme non-neediness, adaptability/playfulness, and outcome independence. IRL Hank Moody would be far less successful in life, far less sympathetic, and in jail. The girls in Californication are Hollywood girls, meaning that they're used to trading on their sexuality, and tend to be high-novelty seeking Type A personalities. They're not representative of normal women, even the girls who are not Hollywood actresses/w… | /r/seduction | 04/07/20 08:26 PM |
| 4 | Women love assholes not nice guysI think what screws a lot of guys up is that they can wrap their heads around women not wanting total doormats, but then they see some women make excuses for and put up with total asshole behavior. Then you've got the girls who need to constantly chase (of which there are a scary large number). The kind where if you give them the slightest bit of validation or be real with them for a second, they think they have you by the balls. Like, I once had a girl try to friend-zone me on the first date, i… | /r/seduction | 03/07/20 01:51 PM |
| 2 | Most seduction books are pure s**t, what you need to be doing is working on fundamental social skills and dealing with your inner demons.A lot of people like to roll their eyes at Tucker Max and admittedly his antics are incredibly juvenile. But I do believe his stories are legit for one reason: The secret to confidence with women is outcome independence. You read Tucker Max's stories and you see he gets women crazy turned on despite not being a super impressive human being because not only does he not give a fuck if he winds up in bed with them, but he also doesn't give a fuck if they even like him. Now sometimes, by his own adm… | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 05:02 PM |
| 3 | The Ultimate Guide for the average ManHonestly, the older and more experienced I get, the more I realize that Mark Manson cracked the code. Doesn't matter what kind of guy you are, the only way to get past most women's inexhaustible need for male attention is to polarize. Polarize to attract. There's still a place for teasing and flirting and normal conversation, but if you want to get a girl to go home with you, rather than just wait for them to basically fall into your lap, you need to polarize. This will screen out time-wasters a… | /r/seduction | 11/06/20 04:12 PM |
| 1 | "Shes not yours but your turn" makes me not want to do anything with a womanOur current shitty dating climate (as in shitty for both men and women) is due largely to two trends. The first is men losing their edge and their purpose and as a result going soft in all areas of life. Soft in the head, soft in the body, soft in the will, and soft in the cock. And the other is women being encouraged to use sex as a source of power. It makes women believe they can fuck their way to Mr Right, not realizing that love isn't something you find, it's something you build. It means th… | /r/seduction | 09/06/20 05:41 PM |
| 1 | In a place like university, are girls more attracted to the popular guysThat's because in university, everyone is broke and many people are still in ugly duckling mode, so social status has overinflated value in that context. And I've seen university girls be absolutely shameless status whores. It was actually kind of pathetic. There's ways to optimize for college game. But honestly, I look back on it and honestly I think "such a fucking racket". Not to mention, with all the campus rape hysteria of a few years ago, hooking up on a modern day college campus has gotta… | /r/seduction | 08/06/20 03:07 AM |
| 1 | How do I ask him to meet?Well sounds like all you need to do is take the lead yourself. You don't need to proposition him or make it obvious you want to bang his brains out. I'd focus on getting to a meet and getting a conversation going. The career advice angle isn't a bad one for just getting a conversation going, but remember you need to not cling to it. Maybe focus on him a little, ask him about what he's up to, how he's doing, what his plans are. Then once you get in person, then turn on the charm and start flirtin… | /r/seduction | 06/06/20 04:53 PM |
| 5 | How do I ask him to meet?I see this actually with a lot of girls. Where they meet a guy, he shows some interest, she plays along but doesn't really put much back into it, wonders why he never follows up or goes passive, and now they're in the bind where they want to jump his bones, but feel they've got no way of getting his attention without putting their cards on the table and that's just sounds crazy to her. Sound about right? Great chemistry is all about give and take. It's like a dance, except people trade off leadi… | /r/seduction | 06/06/20 04:41 PM |
| 8 | Is the friend zone an illusion?The friendzone happens because guys fail to polarize. The female sex drive is more reactive than active, so for most women, they need to feel a guy's passion in order to get turned on and invested in a sexual outcome. That's why dominance is a big deal for women. Not because they want to be some guy's slave, but because it's how men can express their vulnerability, their raw desire, without sounding like an emo kid or their little brother. If you've ever met a girl who watches MMA, you know exac… | /r/seduction | 06/06/20 04:10 PM |
| 1 | The SMV Requirement Bar - Why It's Completely Normal To Get Almost No Results At First And Why You Should Never Get DiscouragedIf I had a short and simple answer, I wouldn't be giving it out for free on Reddit. Unfortunately I haven't got a long answer handy either. Maybe one day I'll take a run at it, but unfortunately I haven't got anything coherent to give right now :/ | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 01:39 AM |
| 3 | If a girl loses interest in you, is it a wrap? Or is there still a chance to get her interested again?When girls pull back, the move is not to chase. This is why abundance mentality is so key. Because the only sane way to deal with girls when they give off not-minor signs of disinterest is to take them at their word. Then either she'll come back for another chance or she won't. If it was just a shit test, she'll come back within roughly 2 weeks. If it wasn't a test, well don't wait up. Sometimes she'll just re-initiate, sometimes she'll come at you directly, sometimes she'll just try to slide in… | /r/seduction | 04/06/20 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Making female friends goes a long wayThat's actually the kind of feedback that registers with guys. Often we have no idea how we really come across to women because women never tell us that truth. Even when they're dating us, their opinion is biased :p Gay guys can actually make really good wingmen that way, because they'll translate girl code and get the skinny from girls in a way straight guys never could. | /r/seduction | 04/06/20 03:54 PM |
| 9 | Making female friends goes a long wayMy experience with female friends all seems to coalesce around one theme: sexual tension and how people deal with it makes or breaks a male-female friendship. How I Met Your Mother had something called the Mermaid Theory which was that if you spent enough one-on-one time with any woman, you'd eventually start to develop feelings. It's a bit of an exaggeration, but my take basically goes that if there's any residual attraction and it isn't totally off the table (like someone is married or it'd ju… | /r/seduction | 04/06/20 03:25 PM |
| 9 | The SMV Requirement Bar - Why It's Completely Normal To Get Almost No Results At First And Why You Should Never Get DiscouragedI'm actually going to be the contrarian on this one. When you actually get to know women and really really get them - you realize their standards for sex are actually not that high. All those things OP talks about, that's all superficial shit. At best she backwards rationalizes that she's attracted to those things. A classic example of this is size queens. The truth is women prefer big dicks the same way guys prefer big boobs. At the end of the day neither gender is actually that picky. But some… | /r/seduction | 04/06/20 01:10 PM |
| 23 | Making female friends goes a long wayIf you haven't got much experience with women, get female friends. Some guys luck out and have the right set of experiences early and get the fast track on getting girls, the same way some guys are wicked smart or athletically gifted. Female friends are your gateway into actually understanding women and how they think. The key to getting any woman really to open up is to accept her and see what makes her special. Point is, female friends get you started on understanding women and turn you from a… | /r/seduction | 04/06/20 05:21 AM |
| 0 | OP seeks advice on cheating art school gf that makes him wear condoms WHILE HER SIDECOCK GETS TO RAW HER, proceeds to get absolutely obliterated in the comment section, along with his girlfriend, this is insanityIt's like you're taking okay ideas, and taking them waay too far. Real dominance is decisiveness and self-possession. If all it takes is the slightest hint of disrespect to get a "response" (not a reaction) out of you, that's not self-possession. That's throwing a temper tantrum. Real dominance is being on your purpose and sticking to it. Caring too much about the opinions of others is not being on your purpose. My reaction to women showing disrespect or playing games I don't have patience for i… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/05/20 06:00 PM |
| 1 | OP seeks advice on cheating art school gf that makes him wear condoms WHILE HER SIDECOCK GETS TO RAW HER, proceeds to get absolutely obliterated in the comment section, along with his girlfriend, this is insanityThis is why if I ask a women if she's using a yoga mat at the gym and she doesn't respond, I kick it across the room. You behave that way with guys, and you're gonna get into a lot of unnecessary fights. You behave that way with girls, and if nothing else, you show them how easy it is to get under your skin. One of the best rules I ever heard for dealing with women is "never let them see you sweat". If a woman can troll you, she controls you (see what I did there? hehe). I can't stand white knig… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/05/20 01:41 PM |
| 4 | OP seeks advice on cheating art school gf that makes him wear condoms WHILE HER SIDECOCK GETS TO RAW HER, proceeds to get absolutely obliterated in the comment section, along with his girlfriend, this is insanityThat can't be real. Seriously, I've met guys who were taken advantage of like this, and even they weren't this stupid. Gotta be fake. I refuse to believe that's real. It'd be more believable if he was a literal cuckold. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/05/20 04:14 AM |
| 25 | Left on readThe meaning of being left on read changes with the context. Were things getting hot and heavy and someone dips without warning? Is there a big investment gap between the two people? Like she's way too into him or the other way around? Was it a natural ending point of a conversation? Do they reinitiate? If so, how long does it take and what do they say? Ideally you just shouldn't care. When texting matters too much to you, you're not spending enough time with real women (easier said than done in … | /r/seduction | 03/04/20 02:48 PM |
| 7 | Your thoughts on the Art of seduction by Robert Greene?Useful as theory, not really useful as applicable advice. Not to say that none of it can be applied directly, just that it's not really a dating book, more of a social engineering/human nature type book. It's got some real good stuff in there, stuff worth thinking about, such as seductive archetypes, how everyone has an unmet need, and you can categorize people that way, and common tropes and devices of seduction. But it has to be placed in the context of your experiences and your situation. Tha… | /r/seduction | 23/03/20 03:04 PM |
| 3 | Why Women Like Men Who Challenge ThemThere's a lot of truth to this. Women want you to be that guy that all their usual tricks don't work on. The guy where she has to come correct or she ain't gonna get anywhere. The one who's neediness level is so low that she's the needy one instead. Be that guy and women will seek you out. Looks, money, and status can conceal a loser, but when you've got that right mindset, you'll find those things only catalyze your game, rather than your game being dependent on them. | /r/seduction | 22/03/20 09:05 PM |
| 8 | How do I ask a girl if she wants to hook up and nothing moreGet them horny and aroused before you start negotiating. Otherwise you're negotiating from a position of weakness. Focus on building up enough chemistry and rapport that you can set up a Netflix and chill sesh, which is incredibly easy right now given that everyone's staying at home. Then get her turned on, then talk about how you just wanna have fun. Otherwise it'll just be a turnoff and scare her off. Ideally you'd want to leave these things unsaid, as it's a bit like a girl laying down her re… | /r/seduction | 20/03/20 11:15 PM |
| 4 | Here is the ONLY Thing You Can Do To Get Better Results With GirlsYeah yeah yeah, inner game and lifestyle is what gets results. Anybody who's read Models can tell you that. It's a truth so banal now that it's almost a cliche. Anybody who isn't a scammer can tell you that if you want lasting success with women, you start with fixing your lifestyle and your self-esteem. That self-improvement is what you need to make quantum leaps in your game. But that still leaves game. Not everyone here is some luckless simp who needs to clean their room and get out of their … | /r/seduction | 19/03/20 01:05 AM |
| 2 | Girls choose you, you don't chose them. As a man, focus on being a better person, and stop chasing womenThis is one of those posts where the rub is all in what perspective you take. In the long run, this is 100% true, women do choose you and they are more or less the gatekeepers on when and if you'll hook up. When I look back on every girl I hooked up with, I can point to a specific moment or instance where she made the decision that we were gonna bang. And either she made a move or she made it clear that if I made a move, she was going to enthusiastically go with it. Usually either some form of s… | /r/seduction | 17/03/20 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Tips on maintaining self-esteem in the face of massive social rejection?Social rejection usually comes from a lack of self-awareness. You're not aware of the things you're doing, how you come across, what you're saying or why you're saying it. That's what makes other people react that way. Social skills is really the art of communication and expression. But self-esteem on the other hand, that comes from self-trust, which leads back into self-awareness. When our self-esteem is down, our focus is inward, rather than outward. We're too busy looking at our own egos, our… | /r/seduction | 09/03/20 05:46 AM |
| 2 | My goal is getting a girlfriend I like. How should I act?It's true. Models is so head and shoulders above the competition as a standalone strategy that it's not even funny. Almost all the rest of game looks like DLCs and expansion sets next to it, at best. | /r/seduction | 06/03/20 08:38 PM |
| 12 | 25F- guys, what is your intention when you slide in someone’s dm on Instagram?The most honest answer I could give is when we're just messaging with a girl, our intentions are still up in the air. Sure we'll want to smash if the opportunity presents itself, but for guys, sex and relationships are two linked but ultimately separate questions. I've found what really turns a guy's head in the direction of a relationship is emotional intimacy. This seems to be a real blind spot for many girls because y'all want to be emotionally intimate with guys you sleep with, even if it's … | /r/seduction | 06/03/20 08:20 PM |
| 3 | My goal is getting a girlfriend I like. How should I act?Read Models. | /r/seduction | 06/03/20 07:17 PM |
| 1 | We all know we can't make a girl attracted to us. So if the girl is attracted to us, what's the point in gaming her?OP seems to be fundamentally misunderstanding the idea of attraction. It's not a deterministic cause and effect kinda thing where you say killer line A, wear peacocking item B, and execute social proof strategy C and the girl wants to jump your bones 10/10 times. That's not how it works. You can do all the right things and a given girl might still not be attracted for any number of legit reasons. That being said, it isn't pure random chance either. Sure some girls will like you at first sight, b… | /r/seduction | 06/03/20 07:16 PM |
| 3 | Anyone else really picky when screening girls to approach?I've found when guys say they're picky, it's rationalizing away fear and doubt. When you find yourself in the "ones you can get you don't want, ones you want you can't get trap" it's because you're not taking enough action and you're letting your anxiety get the better of you. The only difference in the long run between the average girls and the hot ones is how you're treating them. If you treat them the same way, they'll react the same way (in broad terms). Because hot girls and average girls a… | /r/seduction | 05/03/20 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Girls want you to be genuine.. Whatever you are.. Own it. They hate when you are confused of your identity and is not comfortable with yourself and is trying to change yourself. It means you are not proud of yourself.Nice guys don't get laid when they don't embrace their sexuality and learn to use it. Girls need to feel wanted, and nice guys struggle at dropping little teases and hints that stir her imagination. Nice guys do get laid when they're outcome independent and that makes the girl chase. Nothing drives a girl more nuts then when she can't make a guy chase dat ass even though he likes her. | /r/seduction | 05/03/20 04:24 PM |
| 7 | Just witnessed a 29yo hot girl begging a 18yo guy for his number and it made me question lots of thingsMark Manson gave a pretty good theory for push/pull in Models. The basic idea is you break rapport with the other person, then they restore rapport (because they're attracted) by chasing, and you reward them, then the cycle repeats. And the two main ways of breaking rapport in an attractive, even flirtatious manner are teasing and leading. Those two things are polarizing and break rapport, and when she complies or reciprocates, you reward this with interest, then you pull away leaving her wantin… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 03:43 PM |
| 64 | Just witnessed a 29yo hot girl begging a 18yo guy for his number and it made me question lots of thingsWhile this comment is the clear and obvious thread closer, I do believe there's a stone left unturned. That kind of behavior is certainly an outlier, but not in type, in my observation, just in degree. Women get like that when they're chasing validation and their ego is on the line. When they thought they were [x] hot, are starting to doubt that, and believe if they can win this guy over, they're good. In fact this kind of behavior is exactly what classic Mystery Method-style negging and qualifi… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:20 AM |
| 3 | I’m scared of anything sexual because of STDs.There is a spectrum of risk. At one extreme are the guys who have unprotected sex with anything that moves, and they're just asking to catch something or knock someone up. And at the other extreme is guys who save it for marriage and stay monogamous. 99% of the risk is gone, but there's still some anyway because what if she cheats? When it comes to the herp, just don't make out with girls with open sores. When it comes to sex, my rule is to wrap it up unless I know them really well and know they… | /r/seduction | 22/02/20 05:55 PM |
| 5 | Basics of Inner Game/Social Circle Game:How to be a Leader that women gravitate to! (Top 5 practical tips)These are all good points. Find a way to stand out - be good at something. Find a way to take that skill and use it to add value to others. Use that to win friends and influence people, just don't let it go to your head. Don't let your social power go to your head. Wise people stay out of drama that doesn't involve them. The value you add to people's lives, the more word spreads and the more people recognize and treat you as a leader. Then the girls practically open themselves. | /r/seduction | 17/02/20 03:21 AM |
| 6 | Okay folks, we need a thread on not getting quickly attachedLol that's no cure. I've seen people get their hearts broken repeatedly from making the same mistakes. People get too quickly attached because of low self-esteem and misplaced priorities. Fix that shit, and it does for one-itis what vitamin C and proper sleep does for the common cold. | /r/seduction | 17/02/20 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Why do girls respond well to being being called mean things?Girls like when they can make tough guys like them. In order for that to work, the guy has to act disinterested and lead her to work for his attention. "Alpha" guys are able to do that because they honestly don't care how she feels. Narcissism is one helluva drug and women get fooled by it all the time the same way men get consistently fooled by a chick who walks the crazy/hot line. You can have that "Alpha" mindset without all the self-damaging narcissism simply by being non-needy, willing to p… | /r/seduction | 16/02/20 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Why do girls respond well to being being called mean things?You wanna know the real secret to this mystery? People like having their opinions and beliefs confirmed by others, including their opinions of themselves. Many girls have low-self-esteem. So when guys they find attractive treat them in a dismissive or indifferent manner, it actually feels more natural and right to them than the same guy walking up and telling them they're gorgeous and amazing. They have to win over confident guys, or so they feel. Qualification is a more mild version of the kind… | /r/seduction | 16/02/20 03:23 AM |
| 1 | How far into the conversation do you stop talking when she's not reciprocating?This is an issue where polarization comes in pretty handy. If she's uncommunicative from the start, she either needs to be polarized or she's not interested. If things started off well then they trailed off, then she definitely needs it. Basically a flirtation or move that forces an up or out decision on her part. It also has the side benefit of testing her interest level conclusively. If she doesn't respond to being polarized well, she either wasn't interested or wasn't your type. And if she do… | /r/seduction | 16/02/20 02:44 AM |
| 26 | Why TINDER Sucks BALLZ!Honestly, I'd use dating apps with a grain of salt. Treat it like a game where you potentially gain nothing, but also lose nothing. Therefore take chances and don't give a shit. Meeting girls in person is just faster and better. Dating apps are only good when you don't put any effort or hope into them. | /r/seduction | 15/02/20 08:24 PM |
| 1 | I'm really not impressed by anyones 'game'Because the truth is any type of game can eventually work if you go through enough women because not all women like the same things in the same way. Every type of approach has their selling features and their drawbacks, the secret is knowing which one to use for which setting. That's why I say the best guys with women are the ones who calibrate. Who can feel her out the fastest and figure her out. Without confidence, you can't get a woman's attention. Without decisiveness, you can't lead her. Wi… | /r/seduction | 15/02/20 08:22 PM |
| 3 | To what extent is Models by Mark Manson obsoleted by dating apps and age range 18-30’s excessive texting and social media habits?If you're gonna use dating apps, you're gonna get flakes. It comes with the territory + a lot of women just use them for validation/attention. You might want to try more teasing and qualification to keep them on the back foot and chasing. But beyond that, all you can do is be detached until you meet one of the girls in person. | /r/seduction | 14/02/20 05:30 PM |
| 1 | To what extent is Models by Mark Manson obsoleted by dating apps and age range 18-30’s excessive texting and social media habits?Asking for a girl's number isn't polarizing. Isolating her and going for the kiss is, or asking her out, or inviting her back to your place. Polarization is when you get her to make a shit or get off the pot decision. Where if she says no, it's reasonable to assume she's not interested. And she'll know that too, that's part of why it works. Even if she rejects you this works to your advantage because then you know not to waste anymore time on her. And yes, polarization rarely happens with one es… | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 11:37 PM |
| 2 | To what extent is Models by Mark Manson obsoleted by dating apps and age range 18-30’s excessive texting and social media habits?You're forgetting one of the most central parts of MM's ideas: polarize to attract. Sure working on your lifestyle will improve your overall odds and increase the pool of women receptive to you, but very rarely if ever do women just come on to a guy and chase him into the bedroom. In fact, it's somewhat suspicious behavior. You still have to game girls. You still have to approach them and flirt with them and lead them. The trick is, recognizing when and where to make the bold move so that when s… | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 07:57 PM |
| 3 | I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.This is an interesting point. There really hasn't been anything really new and innovative since MM. What's left of the pickup world has either copied his shit, or just pretending he doesn't exist and continued to sell warmed-over outer game type stuff to rubes. The truth is that MM pretty much broke the mold wide open when it comes to inner game, and nobody has really figured out how to build on that and introduce outer-game techniques to match. The irony is, that the weakest part of Models is t… | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 02:03 AM |
| 4 | I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.I like his "you're right vs. that's right!" concept. Very clearly illustrates the difference between when someone is agreeing with you just to go along/shut you up, and when someone really buys into what you're saying. Also illustrates the importance of confirming another person's beliefs/outlook rather than trying to force your own onto them. | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 01:52 AM |
| 7 | I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.Charisma Myth is a good one too. | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 01:50 AM |
| 9 | I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.Superior Man makes a lot more sense when you approach the things in it as symbolic and abstract, rather than concrete literal advice. It's a way of looking at masculinity and femininity that helps explains the dance of the two genders. | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 01:50 AM |
| 3 | I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.Agree 100%. Each one of these books is money when it comes to dating, and social skills in general. High value, high wisdom, great return on investment. Highly recommend each one. I learned more from Models then half the shit I've ever read on pickup, and I've read a lot. | /r/seduction | 13/02/20 01:49 AM |
| 8 | Long time lurker, I HAVE to speak up on how to increase your success with MINIMAL effort and there is no BS trick - it's a simple path that doesn't include anxiety.Exposure therapy works best when it is gradual and successful. You don't get good at skiing just by bombing down the hill, hoping you don't crash into a tree. You may overcome your fear of a steep slope, but it's suboptimal. In the same sense, going out and getting blown out a bunch of times may lessen your fear of rejection, but you don't really learn the right things or internalize the right behaviors. | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 08:55 PM |
| 64 | Long time lurker, I HAVE to speak up on how to increase your success with MINIMAL effort and there is no BS trick - it's a simple path that doesn't include anxiety.This this this. Running around spam-approaching random girls is stupid. Working on yourself, presenting yourself better, and looking for small incremental gains in your personal life is how you git gud. No matter how capped you are at any given moment, in terms of looks, money, or status, you can always do a little bit more to improve on what you've got, and find someone mutually acceptable. Improve your lifestyle, improve your compatibility. Then you can work on finding your balls and learning … | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 07:39 PM |
| 3 | Social Status is KingIt's a cliché, but it's a cliché because it's so true. | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Social Status is KingBoth are true of all people. We're simultaneously endowed with free will, while remaining in essence, creatures of stimulus and response. If you think women don't easily and routinely manipulate men, while the men are simultaneously aware they're being manipulated, you need to observe people more. And nowhere is this more true than sex. People have sex because they push each other's buttons, but it's also fundamentally a personal choice, largely because of how much our ego is tied up in it. The … | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 06:33 PM |
| 8 | Social Status is KingYeah, social status brings power and an increased ability to influence and manipulate people. But if you're stupid, you become like a kid playing with dynamite. You might think it's all good fun, until you fuck with the wrong person and watch things go totally sideways on you. Or you get carried away and wake up one morning and realize you're a douchebag who uses and exploits people. Yeah, social status can easily be parlayed into power. But if you abuse that power, you'll not only quickly lose … | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 06:18 PM |
| 9 | Social Status is KingIt's like a drug. That's why it's important to transcend the head rush, get over the ego trip, and be smart. When you have social status, good social circle game becomes absolutely crucial. If you play your cards right, the female grapevine has women fall right into your lap. If you don't, you invite all kinds of grief and drama unto yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63eixpYRWk | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 06:14 PM |
| 1 | Social Status is KingYeah social status definitely makes a difference. So do good looks and money. They make you more romantically/sexually compatible with a bigger pool of women. That's why nearly every girl wants to bang Brad Pitt. Looks, money, and status. For guys who are struggling with attracting women and getting female attention at all, these things might seem like the be-all and end-all of seduction. What you find is that while looks, money, and status definitely do make things easier, a chump with those th… | /r/seduction | 10/02/20 06:09 PM |
| 47 | I'm not the most successful man, but the few successes I've had were straight forward. Its really not that hardConquer neediness and women chase you. Maybe not the women you want, but now you will know how to behave when women want you. You'll know what it looks like, what it feels like. Then you can start to go after the women that give you goosebumps with a clearer head. Then after you get some success, you sharpen and fine tune your game, and continue working on your purpose. This is the virtuous cycle. This is the way. | /r/seduction | 09/02/20 03:29 AM |
| 5 | Continuing to Fumble at the Goal LineMy philosophy is that if you're getting LMR, your game is flawed. LMR to me seems to be a symptom of mismanaged sexual tension. When things are going right, LMR should be a near non-issue (unless it's for obvious reasons, like Aunt Flo). I'll explain it like this. Sexual tension is the state where two people are aroused by each other but neither one has expressed real sexual intent yet. It's that highly ambiguous and nerve-wracking part of courtship that both sides definitely deal with, and ofte… | /r/seduction | 08/02/20 08:02 PM |
| 3 | The single biggest sign to look for to find out if a girl is attracted to you.With shy girls, the eye contact will be more fleeting and coy. She'll ping you, rather than just stare you down. With the proverbial shy Asian girl, the prolonged eye contact comes when you're alone with her and the tension is beginning to spike. Then usually their body language will start to get obvious. So even if they come from a culture with a stigma against prolonged eye contact and/or are shy, eye contact is still a useful clue. | /r/seduction | 08/02/20 07:06 PM |
| 2 | The single biggest sign to look for to find out if a girl is attracted to you.100% agree. The eyes don't lie. When a girl makes long prolonged eye contact with you, you know that you're on her mind. When the eye contact is fleeting or coy, you know she's into you, but feels a little insecure, usually because she doesn't know you well enough. Like when a girl is checking you out on the bus or something. And when she doesn't make that eye contact, you know her mind is somewhere else. I'd just like to point out that it isn't necessary about how long she looks at you, but the… | /r/seduction | 08/02/20 07:03 PM |
| 1 | If you were in my place, would you bother pursuing this girl or would you just move on?Even if she's really not trying to turn you into an orbiter, the dynamic itself isn't really working in your favor. You're the one confessing your feelings, not her. You're the one stating your intentions and settling for a counter-offer. Your best case scenario is that she's trying to cultivate you as an option and is waiting for something to make up her mind. Your worst case scenario is she's just not that into you and letting you think you have a chance to keep her options open. The truth lik… | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 06:11 PM |
| 0 | Am I being 'cheated'?/thread. Needy people having a needy mess. | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 04:58 PM |
| 35 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthIt's a real shift in mindset that comes just from being more extroverted. It's something you realize about women, you can walk up and talk to them about just about anything. Guys are actually much harder to engage in conversation because they're more introverted and guarded. That's one of the ironies of game. The actual tactics of seducing a woman are really just the finishing touches. All the real work lies in things like getting your shit together, working your social skills, getting over your… | /r/seduction | 03/02/20 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Can I learn the game of seduction even though I have a girlfriend?It's not falsification - it's falsifiability - the ability to potentially prove something false is what makes something a valid scientific experiment. Failure tells you what's wrong. Success tells you what's right. You need both. | /r/seduction | 22/01/20 07:59 AM |
| 3 | I need to stop being so insecurePrize-framing works, but it works better when you actually do have value to women and believe it. The second element is harder than the first. Once you get good with women, you realize their standards aren't actually that high so long as it's a guy who makes them feel the right things. | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 07:28 PM |
| 1 | I need to stop being so insecureface your fears. | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 06:26 PM |
| 6 | Can I learn the game of seduction even though I have a girlfriend?Practice on your girlfriend. It's actually an ideal situation for getting your feet wet when it comes to game. Why? You know her, and her likes and dislikes. You know her better than any random girl you might approach. A lot of relationships have trouble sustaining good chemistry down the stretch. The better you can practice game with her, the stronger your chemistry will be. She already likes you, so it's a great situation to practice talking to girls with the assume attraction mindset. A lot o… | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 04:46 PM |
| 3 | I need to stop being so insecureActually in my experience, you just come off cocky AF (even and especially if you have reason to be), and wiser people see through it. Fake it till you make it doesn't work when it comes to self-esteem. Better to just do the work of cultivating it. | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 04:36 PM |
| 17 | I need to stop being so insecureGet out of your own head and get busy. Learn to accept yourself, both the good and the bad, and focus on the things you can do something about. Meditate and turn off the negative and dejecting self-talk in your head. Get around other people and focus on just good social skills. Then other people will accept you and validate you. This isn't a substitute for self-esteem (though many people treat it like it is), but it will help you get out of that insecure state of mind. Find what you're good at a… | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 04:35 PM |
| 1 | We all know girls are attracted to guys who don’t give a fuckYes that's all true and valid. Where self-esteem enters into that is that guys with self-esteem are authentic, guys without it are not. Guys with self-esteem don't put on an act to impress girls, guys without it do. When guys with self-esteem say "I love you", they say it because they mean it. Needy guys say it in the hope that it'll make her say it back. | /r/seduction | 12/01/20 03:28 PM |
| 1 | We all know girls are attracted to guys who don’t give a fuckSomeone relatively speaking psychologically self-sufficient. Someone with very little left to prove to himself or others. Someone who accepts themselves and successfully walks the line between pride and humility. Basically someone who has gotten over their own ego and in doing so, internalized it. Narcissists for instance can fake self-esteem, but it is dependent upon people giving them respect. Their self-esteem is hollow, like someone on cocaine. These guys are almost always dependent upon som… | /r/seduction | 12/01/20 04:12 AM |
| 7 | Things you do that make Girls HATE youTL_DR: Don't be needy, and don't be thirsty, and you likely won't be creepy either. | /r/seduction | 11/01/20 11:12 PM |
| 9 | We all know girls are attracted to guys who don’t give a fuckI'll explain it like it this. Women are attracted to self-esteem in men. Guys generally don't understand women that well, but some of us have at least figured that out. The problem is, most women and most men are really poor judges of a man's self-esteem and get fooled by the appearance of it literally all the time. Guys think women go after looks, money, and status because they see women (often low self-esteem women) go for exactly those things. The women think those things correlate with self-… | /r/seduction | 11/01/20 11:09 PM |
| 2 | We all know girls are attracted to guys who don’t give a fuckBest way to display indifference is to be indifferent. Way you do that is by having control over your sex drive and channeling it into other areas of your life. That's how men become high achievers. Women mostly do it for love, duty, or fame. Men do it to have an outlet. That's what women notice, though without being fully conscious of it. When they have to work for a guy's attention, rather than a guy being already thirsty. Beyond that, the surface layer of it is not being invested in her opini… | /r/seduction | 11/01/20 10:45 PM |
| 2 | Rejection is just soul-crushing for meThere's five things I find constructive when it comes to coping with rejection: Recognize you're not the only factor at work. Many rejections happen for reasons beyond your control. Not everything is a reflection on you. Look for the blessings in disguise. Sometimes you really aren't compatible in ways that won't become clear until much later or long after the fact. Anyone with experience knows it's better to be alone than to be with someone who uses you or drags you down. There's always someone… | /r/seduction | 10/01/20 10:38 PM |
| 6 | Men, please don't be like this guy at the clubEither the guy is an ultra-deluded orbiter, or the girl had some kind of loose arrangement with him and is playing games. Either way, I try to avoid girls like that. The way she treats other guys is something every guy with a brain should pay attention to. | /r/seduction | 04/01/20 08:57 PM |
| 1 | When to go for a kiss?To me, the secret to a good first kiss is sexual tension. When you're both feeling it, the opportunity will present it itself and you'll both on an unspoken level want it to happen. If the tension isn't there, the window of opportunity is less likely to be there and the risk of awkwardness is much higher. A lot of guys screw up sexual tension either by being too obvious or too passive. They're too obvious when their interest is obvious and they're like a puppy dog for a girl. Girls like this but… | /r/seduction | 22/12/19 05:11 PM |
| 2 | How to Cultivate Confidence and Self-WorthCommit to continuous self-improvement. Do not accept who you are by default. Instead seek to push the envelope just a little bit every day. You can always get better, at just about anything. Cultivate self-awareness. All too often, we shut away or repress the parts of ourselves that we don't want to accept, only to have those things re-emerge at the worst possible times. Repression breeds rebellion, so turn and embrace the shadow in order to rob it of its power. Face your fears. We all have shit… | /r/seduction | 17/12/19 06:11 PM |
| 0 | Stay Grounded While Approach Attractive WomenWell it all depends, is your goal to get dates or to have success with women? | /r/seduction | 16/12/19 07:58 AM |
| 0 | Stay Grounded While Approach Attractive WomenQuality content. Take notes guys, this is a guy who actually gets laid. And his talk about value and confidence is dead-on. When you can be confident without looks, money, or status, then you've got something. You are who you really are, in the dark, alone. | /r/seduction | 16/12/19 06:24 AM |
| 3 | Response time is a perfect indicator of interest level when dating - Do you agree?The problem with response times is you don't know what her baseline is, even if you know her fairly well. It begs the question "is this how she is with me, or everyone else?" The way I prefer to look at it is, focus on her investment level. What most guys see as interest, is actually arousal. Psychological, rather than sexual. Think alertness and engagement. But that also means it's more state-dependent and passing. Investment level is the lasting impression. Investment level and rapport are wha… | /r/seduction | 14/12/19 06:10 PM |
| 4 | What to say if a girl "brags" about guys hitting on herOnly use that line with a smart girl with a strong ego. It's a good one but, the dumb ones might not pick up on it, and the insecure ones will get triggered. That's a smidge too spicy, only appropriate when a girl is giving you lots of attitude or witty bantz. | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 07:24 PM |
| 1 | If one girl isnt working out, just move on to the next girl.Men have to play the numbers game because we're the ones doing the approaching. Girls can come up with all kinds of cutesy strategies because they're the ones getting approached. Guys have to ration their shits to give. I'm always struck by the difference between how a receptive woman treats me, versus a neutral or uninterested one. You can tell when a girl is putting in an effort, or is a little nervous, or giddy/excited to be around you. The secret to getting laid is to recognize this vibe and… | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 05:24 PM |
| 132 | I did it!Taking action is better than not. That must be said. Learning to approach women is a little bit like exposure therapy or weight training. The secret is to start with what you can do, and then slowly but steadily push your envelope. If the most you can get yourself to do competently is walk up to someone and ask them the time, or some similarly banal question, that's a start. Then you build from that by maybe using some normal-ish opinion opener. Or maybe work on approaching people in your social… | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 05:17 PM |
| 10 | Anyone else had their heart ripped out of their chest?All emotions are temporary. The only emotions that last are the ones we choose, consciously or unconsciously, to fuel and reinforce. Your emotions are not "you". They are chaotic and reactive facets of you, the residual remains of our instincts and we can choose to identify with them and internalize them, or not. Your emotions may have specific triggers, but they are global in their meaning. That's why people get confused by them. I find the best way to interpret emotions is as warning signs and… | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Women Are Insanely Attracted To Mental And Emotional StrengthThis is quality content. | /r/seduction | 16/11/19 05:31 PM |
| 11 | Anyone else simultaneously want to make a deep connection with one girl but..also want to bang many hot girls?Poly relationships are like cold fusion. Everybody can see the value in it, but most are kidding themselves if they think they can pull it off. Open relationships are inherently unstable and usually only exist because of a significant spoken or unspoken power imbalance. That's why FWB relationships rarely last any significant length of time. Someone catches feels and wants more, or someone meets someone else, or people just grow apart and get too busy for each other. | /r/seduction | 11/11/19 07:01 PM |
| 2 | looks do matter Stop lying to yourself.I've been shot down by hot girls who told me straight to my face they found me physically attractive and fantasized about me. And I knew it was truth too. Nobody seriously believes looks don't matter at all, but if you think they're determinative of anything in the long run, then you're lying to yourself. | /r/seduction | 11/11/19 06:38 PM |
| 17 | I hate to say it but you've been lied to...Anybody who thinks "attract any woman" is a good goal hasn't had to shoot down many women. It's not fun, and if you think guys don't take rejection well, they ain't got shit on women when it comes to that. It's actually a good thing that everyone isn't attractive to everyone. You don't actually want every girl lusting after you, ain't nobody got time fo dat. | /r/seduction | 11/11/19 04:34 PM |
| 360 | Anyone else simultaneously want to make a deep connection with one girl but..also want to bang many hot girls?Umm, everybody wants that. The problem is, you can't have both at the same time. Pick your poison brah, and don't settle down with someone just because you don't want to be alone. | /r/seduction | 11/11/19 04:32 PM |
| 3 | Dumb question: should you shit-test girls?Not a dumb question, actually a great one. First we need to establish what exactly a shit test is. And the best way I can describe it is: any word or action intended to elict a response which answers the question "will you take my shit?" Women shit-test because they want to see if the way a man presents himself is genuine or just a put-on to get in her pants. The logic being that if a man is being genuine, he won't be trolled by the shit test and if he isn't, he will. The problem with shit tests… | /r/seduction | 11/11/19 04:22 PM |
| 8 | I don't even see the point of going out to nightclubs and bars to meet women anymore these days... am I doing it wrong?This. Mystery wrote the book on approaching groups and especially mixed groups in a night game context. Maybe the hot girl of the group is banging one of the guys there, maybe he's just an orbiter. You have no way of knowing for sure beforehand. But the key is to disarm the potential cockblockers, male and female, by being friendly, adding value, and focusing on them before the hot girl. This builds your social proof within the group and makes the hot girl insecure because everyone else is getti… | /r/seduction | 10/11/19 03:46 PM |
| 5 | I don't even see the point of going out to nightclubs and bars to meet women anymore these days... am I doing it wrong?The problem with judging certain contexts is - how much of it is the context itself, and how much of it is your reaction to it? For the record, I don't like clubs for picking up. The drink prices are terrible, the "music" is often so loud you can't hear yourself think, and I can't say I'm a big fan of the people who frequent clubs. I find them vacuous to the point where they make fashion models seem like philosophers. I don't even think it's that big a stretch to say that clubs are rigged to dra… | /r/seduction | 10/11/19 03:43 PM |
| 10 | Random Game Thought #223: Stop Trying To Seduce Women Who Make You Work For Their Sexual (&Non) Attention.Yes this is an excellent point. Many guys, myself included, let women game us, and then we wonder why it doesn't seem to work out too well. Yes, if things are going well, a woman will game you and try to make you chase her. It is absolutely vital that if you take the bait, you do it deliberately and because you choose to, knowing that it's a risk. That way, you're already prepared to walk when she starts playing Lucy-with-the-football. But never forget that women want to chase, and they want to … | /r/seduction | 06/11/19 08:22 AM |
| 1 | YOU ARE DYING.Yeah yeah, 28,000 days to live and all that. But if I could make a counterpoint, it'd be this: You're good enough when you have nothing left to prove to yourself. Because then you actually are. When you truly accept yourself, rejection stops bothering you. I know this because I've experienced it. When you get really good at something and one particular time you don't make the shot, it doesn't rattle you, you literally don't care. Rejection only bothers you when it contradicts the thing you're tr… | /r/seduction | 05/11/19 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else noticed how a lot of effective seduction techniques and dating strategies are just copycatting women behaviour?Not every girl likes to be asked out or outright hit on right off the bat, which you'd know if you have any experience. Your point of view seems to exclude the possibility of a happy medium between not being totally obvious and being manipulative and deceptive. I'm not sure why, I wouldn't think it's that complicated. I would have thought it was implied by the second half of my sentence on the subject, which you've omitted twice now. Anyway, you can get back to your ranting now. | /r/seduction | 03/11/19 12:31 AM |
| 0 | Anyone else noticed how a lot of effective seduction techniques and dating strategies are just copycatting women behaviour?Willfully misinterpret more why don't ya. Come on, I'm sure you can manufacture a more outrageous strawman if you really put some effort into it. Impress me. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 11:52 PM |
| 4 | My 8 Favorite Core Confidence AffirmationsRejection can be a better teacher than success. Success paints over flaws and mistakes. Rejection exposes them. But clearly this is an emotionally troubling topic for you, so let's call it day. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:49 PM |
| 6 | Overgaming vs. Undergaming"All Women Are Like That" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you treat women like you expect them to be hoes, hoes is what you'll screen for. Because hoes don't want real relationships, hoes want to constantly chase, because that's what they expect from men and subconsciously want. Sometimes the best test of a woman's character is to give her exactly what she wants. A ho will think she's won and neither appreciate it nor reciprocate, but start angling for more. The dead giveaway of a ho is when s… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:12 PM |
| 3 | My 8 Favorite Core Confidence AffirmationsYeah success matters when it comes to building confidence, but it's the wrong target. Belief in your ability /= belief in sure success. The former is earned through experience, the latter is a recipe for neurotic perfectionism. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:07 PM |
| 4 | My 8 Favorite Core Confidence AffirmationsI actually disagree. Confidence is not needing to succeed and still giving your best anyway. All-time great quarterbacks aren't great because they make every throw or never throw a bad one. They're the best because they can get knocked to the turf one play, get up, and throw for a touchdown the next. Confidence is grace under pressure. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Are these signs of Toxic Relationship?You should watch some Youtubes on Anxious vs. Avoidant attachment. Might shed some light on your relationship's dynamics. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Are these signs of Toxic Relationship?Dude... the answer is kind of obvious. If it isn't toxic now, it will be. All kinds of clingy, jealous, co-dependent red flags. Maybe toxic isn't the right word, but it's obviously not going to work. The real question you should be asking OP is why you haven't left already. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 01:00 PM |
| 3 | I'll start, then your turn. (List Top 5 Books That Changed Your Life)For game specifically: 5.Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene 4.The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand 3.How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie 2.Way of the Superior Man by David Deida 1.Models by Mark Manson | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 12:57 PM |
| 6 | Anyone else noticed how a lot of effective seduction techniques and dating strategies are just copycatting women behaviour?Yes, and yet no. Female game is passive and reactive. There are a lot of good lessons from female game and stuff you'd be wise to incorporate. But unless you have off-the-charts superficial value, women are not going to approach you, even if they like you. So a complete copy of female game simply doesn't work. The job of the male is to polarize. Polarization flips the script of sexual tension, where instead of her wondering what your next move is, she wonders whether you're invested enough to do… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 12:53 PM |
| 3 | Persuasion dark arts in turning a rejection around?Stop feeding the obsession. It wasn't meant to be. Every guy out there in the field has their one that got away story, if not several. And there is always someone better for you out there. That's truth. But if you really want Ericksonian technique, then the move is to accept her decision and if anything suggest it was smart for her to cut things off so decisively. And leave it at that, or better yet, stop chasing her period. Erickson's technique was to judo-flip people's resistance by going with… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:14 AM |
| 14 | There are tons of people out there who will sleep with you. The issue is how to find them. (positive perspective)This this this. All dating, no matter your goal, is ultimately a numbers game. Almost every problem, except bad inner game can be alleviated by more turnover. A relationship on the brink? Meet new people. Girl stuck you in the friend zone? Meet new people. Don't like the opportunities you've got right now? Meet new people. Lonely? Meet new people. It's all ultimately a numbers game. And having the courage to walk away from a bad situation and try again. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 04:59 AM |
| 134 | My 8 Favorite Core Confidence AffirmationsI don't like affirmations as I find they're kind of placebo-like. They only work if you really really believe in them, and that kinda opens you up to delusions of grandeur and narcissism that inevitably come crashing down at the worst possible time. The real solution to confidence is to develop courage. When you're brave enough to take risks and stick to your guns, a measured and disciplined confidence is downright easy. And you only build courage by facing your fears. Do it in a gradual, planne… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 04:55 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone else notice huge disparities with success and none at all?I find the difference between guys who do well with women on a sexual level, and guys who don't really comes down to being able to control the anxiety that inevitably comes from being in sexually tense situations with women. Of course things like good lifestyle, good self-esteem, good inner game definitely affect outcomes in the long run, but that stuff doesn't really show and doesn't really weigh in on most people's sexual decisions. That stuff matters, but it's too slow, too cerebral - the key… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 12:33 AM |
| 9 | The 3 Best Ways To Show Sexual Intent - (Without Being a Creep)Polarize to attract. Attraction creates interest. Reward interest with interest. That simple. | /r/seduction | 01/11/19 10:01 PM |
| 6 | Comfort vs. Attraction: Avoid Time Wasters, Escalate, and Get Laid NowComfort is for when a girl is chasing you. Attraction is for when she's not. If she's not polarized, comfort will turn her off. If she's already polarized, more attraction will just spoil the mood, like a drink that's waay too strong and ruins the flavor. | /r/seduction | 01/11/19 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Instagram Model Reveals How She Feels About “Nice Guys” and “White Knights” on LAHWF.I disagree. She flat out said she goes for guys who treat her like crap. That to me is red flag material because it signals low self-esteem. Do you want to date someone who treats you like crap? There's very few, if any women who are totally immune to this dynamic, but I think she's a relatively extreme case. She's probably been burned so badly that she had to become aware of the pattern. Some women just want a challenge, some women want a guy who confirms their low opinion of themselves. I susp… | /r/seduction | 01/11/19 04:27 PM |
| 3 | Instagram Model Reveals How She Feels About “Nice Guys” and “White Knights” on LAHWF.Women have to challenge men too - that's the problem. And crazy is the wrong kind of challenge with the wrong kind of reward. In some ways, this is a symptom of a dysfunctional dating market - where people make all sorts of compromises because the person they really need with the right balance of traits simply isn't available in sufficient supply. Back in the 50s, the dating market was lopsided in men's favor (partly due to male deaths in WW2) and that's where we saw the "Madonna-whore" dichotom… | /r/seduction | 01/11/19 04:21 PM |
| 15 | Instagram Model Reveals How She Feels About “Nice Guys” and “White Knights” on LAHWF.What you'll likely find is this is an extreme and unusually self-aware example. In my experience, women who go for guys "who treat them like crap" have very low-self esteem. That's why they want a guy who treats them like crap, it confirms their self-opinion. And when they're able to win over the guy, it represents a sort of moral victory for them. But it's a neurotic and self-destructive pattern as the relationship almost always devolves into her attempting to use sex as power and the guy eithe… | /r/seduction | 01/11/19 04:16 PM |
| 4 | How To Seduce My HusbandWhat you're missing is sexual tension. It's that happy/anxious butterflies in the stomach feeling people get when they first start seeing someone. And I'm convinced it's what missing when the chemistry of a relationship begins to flatline. All sexual tension really is, is the state of arousal, without the intent. Where you're turned on, but don't make it obvious what's on your mind. That's what generates the "will we/won't we?" feeling and the anticipation. Maybe a bit of mystery too if you do i… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 04:09 PM |
| 2 | advice for someone who’s never been in a relationshipDon't use words, use actions. Most girls run into trouble flirting for one of three reasons: They blow hot and cold or send mixed messages, which confuses and frustrates anyone. They're way too in your face, which feels like pressure and can be awkward. They're afraid to take risks and as a result they're too clever by half. Guys don't hate hints, what they hate is hints they can't understand or seem to lead them around in circles. What's very common is for a guy to notice a hint, not know what … | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 03:51 PM |
| 3 | Seducing my own husband after giving birthTease him. Do a slow campaign of sexual guerrilla warfare. Let the sexual tension build up over days, if not weeks until he can barely control himself. A classic trick is to tease him in situations where sex can't happen yet, like right before he leaves for work. That's how you get in someone's head for the rest of the day. Seems to me that the secret to keeping the chemistry going in a relationship is to always be stirring the pot just a little and developing a bit of a rhythm with the sexual t… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 05:11 AM |
| 2 | advice for someone who’s never been in a relationshipIf you want a relationship with this guy you have to be a little proactive. It's part of dating nowadays, guys don't rule out relationships but they don't chase them either, so girls have to do the seducing when it comes to a relationship. And I'm not gonna lie, trying to date a college guy and hold to a no-sex line is gonna be tough over the long run. Especially at a college with a big party scene. As others have said, you'll need to be proactive and let him know early, like on the first date t… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Need help getting my reality straightened out, pleaseDude the secret to self-esteem is finding meaning in your life through your work and your routines. You've got the diet and exercise down and that's a big start, but your issues with other people and with yourself are because you lack meaning and are trying to fill that void with other people. As a result your ego rises and falls with how people react to you on a given day, creating a vicious cycle. Try meditating, try NoFap, try journaling. Try to advance your career, develop a hobby, learn a n… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 04:13 AM |
| 2 | Picking up my first 10 - I got into my head and didn’t have sex. Advice?It's all about the eye contact. Maybe mix it up with a bit of triangular gazing (eyes, mouth, back to eyes). Then you close the distance. Either she'll pull away fast, or stay put. Don't say anything, just hold the eye contact until she pulls away or meets you halfway. Another fun trick is what I call the kiss tease. This is where you touch her face or hold the eye contact, make her think you're going to kiss her and then pull away with a smirk. The key is being confident enough to go for it lik… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 10:29 PM |
| 1 | I never realized how complicated sex can beI'm gonna break from all the other guys here and suggest that your problem is you haven't learned to deal with sexual tension well. The key thing I picked up on was you saying that you could bring girls back to your room okay, but when you try and put the moves on, either she plays games or your body betrays you. That screams anxiety issue. And you're anxious because sexual escalation is one of your sticking points. My suggestion is the next time you find yourself in a sexually tense situation w… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 10:21 PM |
| 5 | Daygame > Nightgame: My insight and analysisI actually find nightgame is the worst in big cities for this exact reason. It turns into some horrible artificial competition for attention from the opposite sex where the girls play games and the guys cockblock. It stops being fun when people treat it like some ugly zero-sum competition and start throwing elbows. What I find is better is going to cool bars outside of the downtown core. Night game in the clubs is a racket. It's set up to benefit women and hinder low-status men. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Daygame > Nightgame: My insight and analysisSounds to me a little bit like your preference is daygame and that's fair. Daygame has lot going for it as you point out, and if you're a good talker, it can play to your strengths. Nightgame is just different. Alcohol has a tendency to speed things up and make things more intense. Yeah the girls behave differently but if you know how to play it, same-night-lays and solid numbers can be yours. Nightgame encourages you to take risks, be polarizing, and not dawdle. Daygame encourages you to be pat… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Picking up my first 10 - I got into my head and didn’t have sex. Advice?Was she giving you long prolonged eye contact? If yes, she was expecting you to make a move. The key to dealing with these situations is to get out of your head and be aware of her body language. Then you'll know when to go for it and not freeze. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 10:05 PM |
| 1 | Picking up my first 10 - I got into my head and didn’t have sex. Advice?You're falsely assuming that in every pickup, you've made out with the girl before you wind up at her/your place. If you're doing the Netflix-and-chill with a girl that you haven't had a drunken makeout sesh at da club with before, the sexual tension will be so thick you can cut it with a knife and the key there is not to be the one that blinks first. The question is not whether or not you want sex, girls aren't stupid. The questions in her head are how badly do you want it and how badly does sh… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Picking up my first 10 - I got into my head and didn’t have sex. Advice?I've tried that before. Doesn't work. 0% or pretty close to 0% success rate. When you start making moves or trolling for reactions, you kill the sexual tension. Why? Because you're showing intent. She can't either relax or wonder what you're gonna do if you're making it clear as day what your intentions are. The powermove of sexually tense situations is patience and confidence. Let the tension drive her nuts and she'll be internally begging you to break it. But that can't happen if you're obviou… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 03:51 PM |
| 5 | Picking up my first 10 - I got into my head and didn’t have sex. Advice?This has always been one of my sticking points too. First couple times I got anywhere with women, she either made the first move sexually, or gave me obvious signs. Then I went through a cycle of getting to the Netflix-and-chill stage with women, going for the makeout and them acting like I was crazy while she's spooned up against me on the couch. Yeah, okay. Here's my thinking now on how to handle these situations: it's all about building the sexual tension. And sexual tension itself is simple … | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 03:28 PM |
| 2 | Why do hot girls see you as their worst enemy if they like you but you don‘t do anything about it?Because women are even more sensitive to and scared of rejection than guys. Ever heard the saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"? In the future, when a girl flirts with you and you don't know how to respond, just acknowledge it briefly and nicely ("that's nice/funny/cool") and carry on. This actually drives women nuts because you're neither rejecting her nor coming on to her so you become a bit of a mystery rather than that douche who ignored her. The exception to this is when a woman … | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 03:13 PM |
| 16 | What advice would you give a virgin?Losing your virginity in and of itself means nothing. It's just a milestone and it's the journey there that counts. Conquer sexual neediness and opportunities with women are inevitable. Oh and read Models. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Thoughts on MasculinityTo me, the root of masculinity is psychological independence. That's why non-neediness and even assertive expressions of it have such a powerful effect on women. It demonstrates that they won't be able to manipulate him with her reactions to him. It evokes her femininity the same way the bedroom eyes evokes a man's inner masculinity. That's what Rules 1 and 2 really come from. When a woman respects and admires your masculine vibe, you can say or do just about anything and she'll respond positive… | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 05:20 AM |
| 1 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Because a good girlfriend will want you to be an attractive man and can give you all sorts of feedback and new ways of looking at things. Part of the reason why naturals are the way they are is because they were the guys girls first started experimenting with and as a result they learned game intuitively and naturally from a much younger age, to the point where its the same as socialization to them, they don't even think about it. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 12:55 AM |
| 7 | How does one deal with getting cockblocked in a town where it is common?Former fraternity guy checking in. This kind of behavior is sadly common in Greek life. Fraternity guys have a tendency to view sorority girls as their turf and act like dicks when random guys try to be social. The really pathological ones will act like they're being white knights too. Most frat guys, their game relies on crutches like money, social proof/status, and looks. So their actual game can often be not good and they're terribly insecure about it. My advice would be to apply classic Myst… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 08:30 PM |
| 1 | What should I do about all these mixed signals?She's not sending mixed signals. She's been flirting with you nonstop, and you've been giving her very little back. So now she's not sure and waiting for you to step up. It might be too late, it might not. If I were you, I'd try giving her some of her flirtations right back. Women have a tendency to flirt in the same way they want guys to flirt with them. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Looking to rejuvenate my sex lifeNon-neediness and acceptance. That's what you can give her. The rest is up to her. You can help her regain her confidence by showing yours. Then when she's feeling better about herself, you can tease her. Have a little fun, romance her a little. The trick to keeping the chemistry going in a relationship is to keep the pot of sexual tension stirring with little teases and flirtations. Give her a sexy kiss right before you leave with a little smirk. Send her cute random messages. Random little bit… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 06:05 PM |
| 1 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?if you accept emotions but still dont do anything about them you are still repressing them and it will fuck up your health, mental and physical It's not a question of not doing anything with them. There's loads of other ways to deal with emotions other than immediately acting them out. Some are not healthy, others are. You accept the emotions so that you don't repress them, how you choose to deal with them really depends on you. You might find this interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subl… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:57 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Those things influence your sense of shame, they don't determine it. Your personality is only set in stone if you decide so. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Humor vs being a clownDon't do what doesn't feel congruent. It's perfectly possible to pick up a girl without telling a single joke. Hell there are legends of guys picking up girls using sign language because she didn't speak the same language. Humor is a powerful tool, but don't try and be a comedian when you're not. One good joke at the right time can do more good than an entire standup routine perfectly delivered. Because women often don't really care about the joke itself, but the context of it and what it signal… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:26 PM |
| 10 | Being forward on TinderI find the trick to being forward with women is to strike when the iron is hot. Being forward right off the bat is leading with your chin. The plus side is what girls do respond will be more interested, but many girls will get turned off. Let them chase your approval, invest a little, and build a vibe. Then you escalate and frame it as a reward. Then you're not being desperate or flattering, you're giving her what she earned. Another trick is to match the reward to the type of compliance she's g… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:23 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Having less shame is a skill and it certainly matters. If you can better understand his mindset you might find some clues that'll help you fix yours. Shame is toxic to sexuality, but necessary on some level to keep you from doing something stupid or wrong. Learn to adjust your balance. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:18 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?There is a difference between ignoring your emotions and indulging them. Accept how you feel. When we accept emotions, we take away their power. All emotions are temporary, and if you feels pent up, find other outlets for those emotions. Write in a journal, work out, hit on other girls. That's why this sub preaches not getting focused on one person. You catch one-itis, start trying to repress your emotions, it inevitably fails, and you shame yourself even further. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:15 PM |
| 3 | A girl is cheating on her bf with meThis is a bad situation that you're best off exiting ASAP. She has leverage because she has options and you're catching one-itis. That's why you want to force the issue. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Being a cheater doesn't make a person literally Hitler, but starting a relationship on a foundation of cheating almost never ends well. You'll never totally trust her, because you shouldn't, and she'll likely cheat on you too when the relationship inevitably has problems. The best thing … | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:13 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Honestly if I were you, I'd befriend the guy and try to turn him into a wingman. Learn from him. Just keep your envy under control. The two biggest catalysts of better game are a good girlfriend and a wingman who is better than you. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:03 PM |
| 1 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Man up and find better ways to control your emotions without repressing them. It's all you can do, and women respect emotional control. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:01 PM |
| 1 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?No, we already had pretty strong rapport as coworkers, what changed was how she behaved around me. More flirtatious, more attentive, more compliance, more respect. It actually made me a little uncomfortable at times because I had no intention of going there. I suspect she thought I was thirsty to get in her pants, and when it became clear I wasn't (especially in a positive, rather than negative way), she was happy to be wrong. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:00 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Stop caring about what he does, just don't turn it into a competition. That's how you be more alpha. And if he ends up getting in her pants and you don't, move on. This is one of the reasons why I don't like hitting on coworkers - the potential for pointless drama is too high for my taste. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:57 PM |
| 2 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Funny you mention that. A girl I used to flirt with a little at work back in the day started getting together with one of my friends. I honestly thought they made a cute couple and I wanted my friend to get some, so I told her to hit him up and gave the couple my complete blessing. And call me crazy, her attraction to me actually increased, significantly. Not that I had any intention of acting on it. Just a curious thing. I suspect it was because it was such a impactful demonstration of non-need… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:13 PM |
| 6 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?You don't have a relationship with this girl worth guarding, so non-neediness is the move. Save the mate-guarding behavior for an actual girlfriend, not a crush. If anything, acting insecure and butthurt will drive the girl towards that other guy. I've seen it happen more than once. That's cuckold behavior. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:10 PM |
| 3 | How to react to high SMV colleague shamelessy flirting with the girl you like in front of you?Jealousy is born of insecurity. Competing with other guys for a girl is playing her game. If you have to interact in this situation, act like you don't give one shit. Never let them see you bleed. Just because you like this girl doesn't mean she's yours. Get over your low-self-esteem. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:08 PM |
| 2 | Unsure on how to proceed.. PLZ HALPYour insecurities are getting the better of you. Stop blowing up this girl's phone and make a date happen. As for relationship status, what it means is she's got a loose end. Maybe they'll get back together, maybe they won't. The only reason why this is important is so that you don't get attached and don't get surprised if she ditches you to get back with that loser. You're pulling a Ted Mosby. You don't know that this girl is the one or whatever because there's no way you can know that. She's a… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:06 PM |
| 2 | Girl I talk extensively is going a bit cold?Herein lies the danger of text game - too much of a good thing. When you have long in-depth text convos frequently with a girl, you run the risk of diluting your stock and making her take you for granted. Most guys don't know how to text a girl long-term in a way that keeps her chasing and doesn't make you the more invested party. They start treating her like a friend and wonder why her interest sags. What's likely happened is she's started to take you for granted and her life is intruding. She … | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 02:55 PM |
| 2 | I feel like anybody can get her. Give up?She's playing her game. If you want the social butterfly types, the secret is to get them chasing you. These types respond powerfully to playful teasing and no pressure. They want guys to want them, so your trick is to be the guy she wants most. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 02:39 PM |
| 7 | Friend used me for sex to rebound. Caught feelings but she got back with her ex. Any advice to get over her.It could have been worse. She could have milked you for attention and stuck you in the friend zone. This pattern is so unbelievably common it's not even funny. It's one of the reasons why I avoid getting too involved with women fresh out of breakups. What if it was a gift? Sometimes these things can be total blessings in disguise that you don't figure out until long after. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 02:21 PM |
| 9 | Everything I know so far is wrong.Hmm, a challenge. How to explain women to a guy who is alienated from them? That's not a putdown, I suspect a lot of men are in a similar boat. Either they had a bad relationship with their mother (or no mother figure like you OP), or they were badly socialized, or they got totally taken for a ride by a bad one. A lot of women feel similarly about men for similar reasons, many of them are feminists. Perhaps the best way I can explain it is this: that side of you that comes out when you talk to w… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Be BRUTALLY honest please thank you (plz answer its my birthday)This this this. When a girl plays unwarranted games, it's a near universal turnoff for guys because it signals insecurity, neediness, and a lack of trust of herself, the guy, or both. Instant mood killer. I get why girls do it, and a little bit of shit testing and game playing is normal and we're prepared for that, but when a girl starts playing way too hard to get, most guys' reaction is to start de-investing and just focus on their needs. | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Be BRUTALLY honest please thank you (plz answer its my birthday)To be fair, that's what us guys do regardless of how much we like a girl. If it's going well, we're gonna try for it. Partly because we're afraid that if we don't, she'll think we're chumpy if we don't try, and partly because we don't want to get friend zoned. It's not because we just want sex or think she's easy, it's largely about avoiding getting played. You'd be surprised, a lot of guys would be okay not having sex right away so long as they were sure of a girl's interest. He did what a lot … | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 12:36 AM |
| 0 | Be BRUTALLY honest please thank you (plz answer its my birthday)Alright so this is actually a common problem I see with both men and women: they're both terrified of losing leverage in the early stages of a relationship and getting taken for granted by their counterpart. The irony is, that insecurity actually makes things worse because it leads people to overcompensate and play games, which makes the other side less inclined to put effort in and often leads to a lose-lose game battle. I'm not saying you did that OP, you actually did what a lot of girls do. A… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Something that holds me back: I legitimately have no idea if women find me attractiveRead Models. Highlight everything that talks about neediness. | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 07:01 PM |
| 2 | Something that holds me back: I legitimately have no idea if women find me attractiveStep One: Stop needing their approval. Either you'll get it or you won't. Focusing on what they think is exactly what not to do. Step Two: If you're insecure about your appearance work on it. Get a better haircut, get in shape, learn to dress properly. Addressing insecurities is 100x better than trying to repress them. Step Three: Stop going out with all your good-looking guy friends. Maybe go out with one of them as a wingman. This is to break you of the habit of comparing yourself to them. Hav… | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 06:31 PM |
| 2 | I don't know what to do anymoreYeah my philosophy is a little different. I like the chase. I find when the verbal and physical foreplay is point and she's got so much sexual tension that she's literally aching for it - the sex is so much better. It's actually less fun for me when a girl is super easy and just goes with whatever. But I totally get where you're coming from. Being able to dial up a beautiful and willing woman if you've got the cash sounds like a dream to just about any guy. And I'd be lying if I said I never tho… | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 06:16 PM |
| 1 | I don't know what to do anymoreI did the outer game first approach. Yeah you'll get some early wins, and the scripts can at least be useful clues about how to be attractive to women. You'll get numbers, IOIs, maybe even some sex. But after the rookie wins wear off, you'll find dealing with women gives you more questions than answers. You'll be dealing with flakes and game-players. You might even spend a spell in the friend zone. The reason why is because the outer-game fixes only really help you in the initial interactions. T… | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 06:10 PM |
| 1 | I don't know what to do anymoreThe problem I have with paying for sex is that it's meaningless sex. Even more meaningless than a one-night-stand. Now, that's not to say it's a bad thing or it can't be fun. Sometimes sex is fun just for itself, that's why we have casual sex. But it's a bit like getting drunk or high all the time, after a while it takes more out of you than it gives back or worse becomes a crutch. I just prefer casual sex where there's at least a dynamic, a chemistry, rather than "cash is on the nightstand, let… | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 05:56 PM |
| 1 | I don't know what to do anymoreRead Models by Mark Manson. Learn to polarize, then you'll start attracting. | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 01:25 PM |
| 2 | Bro's can someone smart give me insight and their opinion into thisDude I'd that one go. She did you dirty and there's no fixing that. Girls never own up to that shit and would rather burn guys than try and fix things. So why should you? To hell with that no-integrity ho. You can do better. Stop trying to get her attention, she doesn't deserve it. | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Should I [21M] ask her [20F] to be my girlfriend after the first date?Alright, so I did something similar to this way back in the day, and take it from me OP.... just don't. You'll tell yourself you're being straightforward and direct and you know what you want, but in reality you're just being needy and desperate. Look how low your standards are for GF material - she made out with you and agreed to go out with you. Even if you're legit impressed by her, she'll never believe she's legitimately earned that much interest from you this early, and either read you for … | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 01:09 PM |
| 3 | Complicated Situation With Crush, Any Advice?You dodged a bullet bud. I've seen this pattern before, where a girl breaks up with a guy, says she's done and/or the guy acts like a douche, and before you know it, they're back together/hooking up without skipping a beat. She's in the fuck zone where she thinks she's in a relationship with a guy, but to him she's just a piece of ass. And she'll be in denial about it and you'll see all kinds of cognitive dissonance. Imagine her as the female version of a guy in the friend zone. In some ways the… | /r/seduction | 25/10/19 03:11 AM |
| 2 | Tinder opening about, need some helpYeah actually why not. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 11:54 PM |
| 4 | I don't know what to do anymoreJeez, that's a whole topic of conversation on its own. No More Mr Nice Guy is a good book to start with. Ultimately the cure to repression is acceptance. We're all sexual beings and it's okay to have a sex drive. And there's nothing whatsoever wrong about expressing it with consenting adults. Learning to flirt is another key thing. The secret to flirting is expressing your sexuality indirectly. Not with what you say but why you say it. Ultimately this is a little beyond my expertise as learning … | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 11:54 PM |
| 7 | Tinder opening about, need some helpQualify her. Ask her a question. The key to an opener is starting the conversation. Trying to wow her with a killer line right off the bat is what noobs do. Pros ask her a question, get a response or two, then give her a flirtatious tease. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 11:27 PM |
| 24 | I don't know what to do anymoreGuys with zero success with women - I'm convinced the root of their problem is neediness. It can just manifest itself in different ways. Lifestyle issues: these guys usually have some major issue in their life that they refuse to address. Career, physical health, and mental health are the three biggies. They expect women to take on guys with serious yet solvable issues and wonder why they don't. Mindset issues: they're cynics or junkies. They're either so starved for female attention that they g… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 11:15 PM |
| 1 | The AntiSeducerThe common factor of all the various types of Anti-Seducer is neediness. That's your problem OP - you're trying too hard to hide the ugly parts of yourself and as a result drawing their attention towards them. Learn to accept them and deal with them, then you'll be less insecure. Embrace the Shadow! Read Mark Manson. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 08:01 PM |
| 3 | Back in the "game" after years. CluelessDon't game girls at work unless you're prepared to ditch that job on short notice. Go approach other women and shake off your rust before you start trying to game women in your social circle. In the meantime, flirt conservatively and don't put yourself out there before they do. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 07:52 PM |
| 1 | How can I get across my intentions without coming on too strong.Show, don't tell. Let your decisions communicate, not your words. In the current "meta" of dating - he who makes direct statements of intent first, loses. Women might say they want stability, simplicity, and certainty, but they really don't want these things until they've found a guy they want to lock down. What really makes them chase is mystery and intrigue which means sexual tension is everything and the cold water of sexual tension is showing, and especially verbalizing direct intent. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 07:50 PM |
| 1 | Cold approach game vs. Social circle gameCold approach is better for learning and taking risks. Social circle game gives more reliable results when you're good. It's risk vs reward. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 07:48 PM |
| 3 | The guys in this group are really amazing peopleSomeone once gave me shit in another subreddit for posting here, I said "yeah, I try to help incels not be incels, fuck me right?" I'm neither an autist nor a natural. What drew me to the seduction community was that I was poorly socialized when it came to women and I knew it. I had enough of the right things that I'd get some superficial interest, the high school crushes/flirtations here and there, but I had no idea what to do. No good male role model to learn how to behave around women. I expe… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it a problem if a girl never asks me to do anything? But otherwise responds and accepts my plans?Thanks for the good feedback. But yeah, you need to watch yourself like a hawk, and let her sort herself out. Either she's open to it but uncertain for some unknown reason, or she's really not and just enjoys what you've got as it is. Either way, the way you don't fuck this up is to not be in denial about your feelings and be brave enough to admit it, if push comes to shove and walk away. In the short run, don't be afraid to give yourself some emotional, if not literal distance. See other people… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Is it a problem if a girl never asks me to do anything? But otherwise responds and accepts my plans?I think it's most important to square with yourself what she is to you. Is she a FWB or a potential girlfriend? If she's just a fuck buddy then who cares. Fuck buddy relationships are almost inherently temporary and so long as she doesn't play games, who cares if you text first. If she's a potential girlfriend in your eyes, you need to start distancing yourself emotionally. If that's where you're at, you're slowly catching feels and it won't end well unless she has a change of heart and that won… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 04:08 PM |
| 13 | Is it a problem if a girl never asks me to do anything? But otherwise responds and accepts my plans?This sounds like 500 Days of Summer. She's deliberately holding back her investment. That's why she won't chase, at all. Normally once you start hooking up with a girl, if she's at all interested in something more, she'll chase at least a little. This one is doing the opposite. People do that when they're uncertain. Either about what they want or who they're with. What it also means is that the harder you chase, the more you'll push her away. The solution is to stop caring about what she wants a… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 02:59 PM |
| 5 | How to Mind Fuck a GuyPeople here are being idiots. This guy is laying out all the heavy artillery of girl game and you guys are acting like it's useless material. Guys should be paying attention to this shit so they know what to recognize. Not every girl will use these techniques, but when you recognize them, then you know what to expect. | /r/seduction | 17/10/19 03:37 PM |
| 3 | 3 Biggest Text Game Myths/LiesYou're not wrong OP in that you can do those things with text game, but they take skill, practice, and experience. In my experience, the best medium by far to attract a woman is in person, followed by voice, then text if you don't have a better option. Which means texting should ultimately be about setting up dates, but you don't have be to quite so laser focused on it. The trick I've found is getting to the hook point in a text convo. This happens when she's chasing you rather than the other wa… | /r/seduction | 17/10/19 06:23 AM |
| 2 | Date took a complete 180, need adviceDon't text her. You know what she's all about (she's all but told you flat out) and continuing to chase won't make things better. | /r/seduction | 14/10/19 06:49 PM |
| 5 | Tips for work colleagueI don't like work relationships. It adds another layer of worry and complexity to your work that you don't need, and if she has no integrity, she'll make your life hell either before or after the inevitable end. Which isn't to say I haven't gone there. But my rule of thumb is she has to put herself out there first. And if she really does want something, she will. Lead her on/play along if necessary, but she has to go there first. It also helps if the job isn't that important to you. In a serious… | /r/seduction | 14/10/19 06:45 PM |
| 3 | Date took a complete 180, need adviceYou got played bro. That's what this is. You made it too easy for her and she just went along for the ride and hopped off when it came time for her to put up or shut up. It's easily one of the most obnoxious and self-defeating dating tactics of modern women, but it is what it is. Your core problem is that you were under-gaming her. She probably liked you and was attracted to you on some level, but you made it too easy for her. You made yourself into a sure thing, and then you wonder why she took… | /r/seduction | 14/10/19 06:11 PM |
| 17 | A girl approached me at my apartment gym and said I look young, was she interested?She approached you, that's already a sign of interest there. The fact that you don't know how interested she is, is a sign of where you went wrong. You were so shocked she showed some interest that you didn't know how to respond. Stop treating it like it's a big deal - that kinda thing can and should happen all the time. She was curious about you, the right way to respond to that is to reciprocate. If she's interested, she'll play along, maybe do something different just to see how you respond. … | /r/seduction | 29/09/19 08:54 PM |
| 6 | The reality if my situationActually, it's vibe that's all important. OP is right that people don't really know each other when they first start flirting. In my experience, you don't even begin to understand someone's personality until you've known them for at least a few weeks, if not months. Yet they make serious decisions based off those brief interactions anyway. Why? Because of how you make the other person feel. Flirting is actually very subtle role-playing and it's that interaction that makes the magic happen - how … | /r/seduction | 29/09/19 04:20 AM |
| 8 | Boomhauer Gets ItIt's one of the oldest truths of game that if you keep trying, you'll eventually succeed. Although, one would like to aim for a better batting average than one in 24. Really it all comes down to matching your approach to where you are and what you want. Boomhauer was leading with his chin, but on the flip side, the one girl he did get was likely more DTF than normal. That's the riddle of game. You gotta be charming and get people's guard down to open up opportunities, but you've also gotta polar… | /r/seduction | 29/09/19 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Best way to intensify/increase attraction when she is already attracted to you?My read on the situation, based off what you've told me is, no she's not worth pursuing. She thinks you're a sure thing and she's angling to put you in the friend zone. She likes you, but I suspect she's lost attraction for you, because somewhere along the line you leaped out in front of her in terms of investment level, like if a girl you just started hooking up with started trying right away to lock you down into a relationship. If she was attracted to you, these kinds of power plays would be … | /r/seduction | 29/09/19 12:19 AM |
| 5 | Is "acting disinterested" actually good advice?Acting disinterested often comes off as actually disinterested or just plain mean/rude. That works better when she already likes you/knows you and you're obviously teasing her. Then it's flirtatious without throwing elbows or being manipulative. Act as if you don't need her approval. Bonus points if your self-esteem is on point and you actually don't need her approval. This unlocks your playful side, your unfiltered side, your decisive side. That is what impresses women, not your ability to emot… | /r/seduction | 28/09/19 11:24 PM |
| 10 | Best way to intensify/increase attraction when she is already attracted to you?It gives me no pleasure to say this, but she's setting up to play you. Real talk. When a girl starts withholding sex before you've even had it, it's a control move. Girls do it because you've signaled too much interest in getting in her pants and/or broken sexual tension. Why do girls do this? Any number of direct motivations, but the root of it is not wanting to sexually commit to a guy unless they feel they have to. This isn't an issue if all you are to her is just some guy she might or might … | /r/seduction | 28/09/19 11:17 PM |
| 21 | How To Have The Most Confidence You've Ever Had In Your LifeThe root of confidence is really how validated your opinion is of yourself. The more self-esteem you have, the more self-trust you have (and you only get this the hard way, by earning it), the less you need approval from others and this is what women notice. They can tell when you're unaffected by her opinion of you, and that's how they gauge male confidence. You can fake this by being unreactive, but in my experience that only just provokes shit tests which will eventually expose you. The more … | /r/seduction | 28/09/19 09:37 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Many Women Want Sex ImmediatelyThis is one of the reasons why I like the "Initiation/Reciprocation/Compliance" model of interest signs. People can act or say things all over the place and it could be straight truth or utter bullshit. Decisions don't lie. If a woman starts initiating flirtations with you, the move is to escalate steadily but patiently. Either she'll back you off once you hit her comfort limit, or you'll see a clear escalation window. This usually happens when a girl has high buying temperature when you already… | /r/seduction | 28/09/19 09:31 PM |
| 1 | Best way to respond to a "Let's just be friends" text?Sounds honestly like a blessing in disguise. Like I get that you had a good first date, but talking on the phone every night is kinda showering her with attention. And the fact that this is getting under your skin after only two dates and two weeks is a sign you were getting over-invested. Maybe the overexcitement scared her off, maybe she's just being straight with you. Maybe a combination of the two, but I'm leaning towards she's just being straight with you. As others have pointed out, you're… | /r/seduction | 12/09/19 02:48 PM |
| 4 | Advice request for a genuinely nice guy (M19)What you're doing wrong is that you're giving girls too much free attention. Back in the day, this wasn't such a big deal, but girls today are far more status conscious and far more hungry for male attention that they don't have to buy with pussy, so they're actually on the lookout for guys they don't have to chase. They need to chase because that's how they intuit a guy's social status. If you chase her, she'll think she can do better than you and even if she likes you, she'll stall and try to … | /r/seduction | 11/09/19 04:04 PM |
| 6 | The best way to kill your chances with a girl is becoming overly excited about it too quickly. Learn to tame your excitement and stay level-headed. Never psyche yourself out too much too early on.Sometimes we're just ADD too and haven't learned to be disciplined with women. | /r/seduction | 11/09/19 03:56 PM |
| 23 | The best way to kill your chances with a girl is becoming overly excited about it too quickly. Learn to tame your excitement and stay level-headed. Never psyche yourself out too much too early on.I was watching Alpha Male Strategies one time a while a back, and he made a point that sounded silly on first hearing it, but it makes more and more sense when I reflect on it. He said that women believe in the power of the pussy. That guys are always thirsty and if he wants that, he'll chase sooner or later. There's only way to bust that and that's to visibly put your purpose above any girl. The only way guys can defeat so-called "pussy power" is to be so on your grind that you just don't care.… | /r/seduction | 11/09/19 03:55 PM |
| 4 | The best way to kill your chances with a girl is becoming overly excited about it too quickly. Learn to tame your excitement and stay level-headed. Never psyche yourself out too much too early on.It's not about being an asshole, it's about being a challenge. I struggled with this too, being a slightly ADHD and socially maladjusted person, whenever a girl would give me signs, I'd get super interested, not knowing or realizing how rapidly that scares them off and makes them regret it. The trick is to make them earn your attention. Screen them and challenge them, then you can reward them with interest, after they've earned it. The one fundamental neurosis of women when it comes to men is th… | /r/seduction | 11/09/19 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Why hasn’t she responded?It's about not overpursuing. A girl pulling back is kinda similar to the Crazy Ivan maneuver Russian submarines used to do when they thought they were being followed by Americans. Girls pull back when they want to see how on the hook a guy is. The are other reasons too, like she's actually busy, or there's another guy, or she's not sure about you etc. But you never find out under afterwards, which is why you use a rule. If they pull back and he keeps chasing, it signals high investment and there… | /r/seduction | 02/09/19 06:39 PM |
| 5 | Checking girls outTwo things on this topic. Make eye contact and hold it. The longer she holds it, the more interested she is. Make approaching an intuitive thing. Don't stop to think about it, or you'll just make excuses not to. If you get the eye contact, go. A good mindset when it comes to decision-making is "fuck yes, or no". Do those things, and you won't be thirsty. | /r/seduction | 02/09/19 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Why hasn’t she responded?"When she pulls back, you pull back" Everytime I've broken that rule, it hasn't worked out well. | /r/seduction | 02/09/19 02:06 PM |
| 1 | How do I stop girls from liking me?The reason why women crush on gay guys is because gay guys aren't attracted to them. Literally that's all it is. Because of your utter lack of thirst, getting your attention is actually a challenge. Add in the fact that gay guys usually take better care of themselves in terms of fitness and appearance, and you can see why girls develop hopeless crushes. My advice would be to put yourself in her friend zone. Literally treat her like a "friend". Give her tons of validation and emotional intimacy. … | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 10:20 PM |
| 4 | After a few months of mutual sexual tension leading to great sex one night, she remembers hardly anything? Or did she know exactly what she was doing?Sounds like #6 but it could be a bunch of the others too. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Now that the band-aid is off, she's more likely to do it again, but not if you behave like her little puppy. Work on your attraction skills. Qualify and tease her. Flirt with her, but very light doses at first. You're as close to being out of the Friend Zone as you can get while still being in it. Ironically, adopting the mindset that you don't want it to happen again is what's most likely to make her w… | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Does the knowledge of how men and women work make you more open to the idea of an open relationship?Honestly dude, sounds to me like you want to have your cake and eat it too. You've got a girl you think could become dependent on you and you want to know how you can get her to accept an open relationship. Doesn't work that way. Now I actually don't think sexual fidelity is the be-all and end-all of love. It's a fact of life that sex and love are not the same thing. But I find the problem with open relationships is the number of things that have to go right and stay right. You need the right ki… | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 09:23 PM |
| 9 | After a few months of mutual sexual tension leading to great sex one night, she remembers hardly anything? Or did she know exactly what she was doing?Girls feel easy when they sleep with their guy friends, even and especially if they wanted it. There's several reasons why: She doesn't want to jeopardize the emotional intimacy you already have. That actually matters to many girls as much or more than sex. Part of the problem with sexual relationships is that when they go bad, the relationship itself usually crumbles. She doesn't want to become your booty call (the female Friend Zone). She can't have sex with a guy she knows well without wantin… | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 09:08 PM |
| 3 | I study in a very small community college. I don't want to hit on girls and be known as that creepy player. How do I pick up girls in my college ?As others have said, this is just social circle game. Go indirect and make sure they're chasing you before you stick your neck out. Be discreet, and aim to find wingwomen rather than bedmates. That's how you build social proof. Just stay out of the friend zone by not giving them free attention. | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 08:52 PM |
| 16 | My #1 Universal Hack To Attract Women (Use Today)I find the importance of body language lies in congruence. A lack of congruence is what makes a woman doubt what she's feeling and start stalling and shit testing. Makes her wonder if you're just putting on an act. That's why it's important to use body language to hold frame. Things like: Holding eye contact. Underreacting to shocks and surprises. Tamping down on nervous behaviors like fidgeting, swaying, stuttering. Using physical distance to make and break rapport. It's also important not to e… | /r/seduction | 30/08/19 03:09 PM |
| 3 | How to get with a girl in my social circle/class ?Yeah no worries man. There are days when I really miss the Greek life. Keep on your grind! | /r/seduction | 28/08/19 05:51 PM |
| 2 | How to get with a girl in my social circle/class ?I’ve had sex with a lot of girls aside from the ones in my social group though, I dont know what you meant when you went on the tangent of relying on my social group, since I never relied on my social group (they were just included). Okay, we were talking about social circle game, and I was using you as an example of what can happen when you get really good at it. You get a rep, girls talk about you, you become an object of intrigue and desire and the girls become more receptive even before you … | /r/seduction | 28/08/19 05:00 PM |
| 3 | How to get with a girl in my social circle/class ?This is all good advice. When it comes to college social circle game, patience and sending the right vibe is everything. Many college girls want to have tons of random sex, the trick is positioning yourself as a desirable prospect and letting them seduce themselves with a little bit of teasing banter to egg them on. | /r/seduction | 28/08/19 03:57 PM |
| 2 | How to get with a girl in my social circle/class ?What you're describing is what happens when you have maxed-out social proof. You don't even need to game college girls at that point, enough to keep you busy will make themselves available on their own. Seen it, been there, done that. College girls crave social status like it's a drug. But there's a few problems with that. The first is that it's bad game to rely on crutches, because eventually you'll lose them and then where you at? For instance, I've seen more than one fraternity president basi… | /r/seduction | 28/08/19 03:51 PM |
| 52 | How to get with a girl in my social circle/class ?I don't like social circle gaming because it's very intolerant of failure. Women in your social circle are better used to wing you with other girls and raise your value. Sleeping with them inevitably leads to not sleeping with them and potential awkwardness. But I have experienced success, and the secret is social proof and the indirect approach. Social proof can range from anything like having a circle of friends and an active social life, to being that Van Wilder/Hawkeye from MASH that brings … | /r/seduction | 27/08/19 05:53 PM |
| 41 | Don't do this (from personal experience)You got trolled bro. If it makes you feel any better, you got a pretty hard shit test pretty early on, and going by her harsh reaction, she sounds manipulative and insecure. So perhaps you dodged a bullet. | /r/seduction | 27/08/19 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Odyssey: From Success Story to OneitisThank you so much for taking the time, I really appreciate it. I noticed Models being recommended a lot, it’s on my agenda. Np man. Trust me reading Models will give you massive returns. The ED problems are not too much of an issue for me honestly, even while it happened I was able to openly communicate, and not take too serious. She dealt great with it as well, I didn‘t feel pressure at all. After the first tries the problem was solved anyways, I just put way too much pressure on myself. On the… | /r/seduction | 27/08/19 03:18 PM |
| 2 | Odyssey: From Success Story to OneitisFirst off your English is excellent. Native speaker good. Next, have you read Models yet? If not, you should. Dude it really doesn't sound as bad as you're making it. Yeah having issues getting it up for her doesn't help, but she dealt with it, at least for a time. Sounds like you got lucky with her, and as you got more comfortable with her a lot of repressed neediness came out. And slowly she got turned off. She stopped worrying about impressing you, that's what was up with needing to puke. I s… | /r/seduction | 27/08/19 01:23 AM |
| 3 | I need help desperately man...Single best book on dating/seduction I've ever read. | /r/seduction | 26/08/19 02:56 PM |
| 26 | I need help desperately man...Read Models. Best money you ever spent. https://www.amazon.ca/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty/dp/1463750358 | /r/seduction | 26/08/19 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Why does this girl do this?Sounds to me like a girl with daddy issues, a strong sex drive, and a fair bit of repression. Secret to those girls is not to take them too seriously, and hold frame when they give you attitude. Really gentle teases, like dad jokes almost will loosen them up, then you switch into light sexual banter when they open up to you. Once you can get a girl like that unrepressed, she'll be laughing, once she's laughing she'll get attracted, once she's attracted she'll get horny. And then probably make he… | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 08:42 PM |
| 7 | Quick Tip to improve your game todayIt really depends on how big her ego is, and the context of the conversation. If it's just texting, I like to just end the conversation, just say you're gotta go do something. This sets her up to text back sometime. I generally like to end text convos first and early to prevent overtexting. If it's out on a date, I'd just switch topics before she responds. If it's cold approach or you're chatting in group, sometimes just looking away or engaging someone else in conversation. | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 05:54 PM |
| 3 | Quick Tip to improve your game todayIt's all about the push/pull bro. | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 05:50 PM |
| 3 | Let me tell you what the real problem is (Please read in Samuel L. Jackson Voice)What you're describing seems to be a systemic problem with society at large. Self-esteem has never been in higher demand than ever, and yet never been harder to find, which probably explains the demand. I think when people lived simpler and tougher lives, they developed self-esteem a little more naturally. Plus you didn't have a generation of men with mommy issues caused by being raised by single and/or working moms. And women wanted relationships for the sake of having them before. It used to b… | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 01:38 PM |
| 2 | Dirty talkYou both sound repressed. Learn to turn off the filter. Give yourself permission to be super blunt and gross, but in a sexy way. Say all the things you say to yourself when you're horny that you never say outloud. The secret to dirty talk is its all about expressing desire and passion. Start slow and feel each other out, and before you know it, you'll both be surprised with yourselves in the best way. | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 05:30 AM |
| 3 | I'm surprised pheromone colognes never got more popular based on my experience with themI'm honestly not sure what to make about the whole subject of pheromones and women responding to smell. The thing I can't decide is whether it's women responding to smell on a psychological level (i.e. getting emotionally stimulated by a smell), or something deeper. One of the things that convinces me it's possible is Tim Ferriss's story in 4-Hour Body about boosting his testosterone with diet/exercise/supplements and women reacting in a bunch of different ways. But on the other hand, I have a h… | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 05:27 AM |
| 1 | How come every time I recommend this sub to an afc whining on askmen I get downvoted into oblivion?It's one part people being woke and white knighting/virtue signalling. Male sexuality and the seduction community as a whole is pretty demonized in the wider media at the moment. And it's one part insecure guys who know their game is weak and resent the notion that could get better. Either they rely on a crutch, or their gf has them by the balls, either way it triggers them. The sad part is, you talk to almost any guy, and so long as he's not one of the two above categories, he'll wanna hear mor… | /r/seduction | 25/08/19 05:20 AM |
| 3 | [20M] Is suicide something I should seriously consider?Keep on your grind man. I've been exactly where you've been and I'm telling you, you'll get over it. The reason why you're striking out with women is because of neediness. That's why you can get initial interest and it always peters out. Women can smell it on guys, and even when we try to hide it, it always leaks out eventually. When you get things in your life a little more on the up and up, focus on conquering your neediness. You do that, and a lot of your troubles with women will vanish like … | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 08:08 PM |
| 4 | Are IOIs mostly accurate?The difficulty with classic IOIs is that they work like a dimmer switch. You can tell when it's all the way on or all the way off, but a woman's interest level spends most of its time in between those extremes. Then there's the fact that every woman's dimmer switch is calibrated differently and the amount of interest they show will vary depending on context and her state of mind. You also don't know if she's exaggerating or acting for whatever reason. Now you see the problem. So what I do is loo… | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 07:59 PM |
| 14 | [20M] Is suicide something I should seriously consider?Get help, what you're feeling is temporary and will eventually pass. Time heals all wounds, and suicide solves nothing. People are saying work on yourself because it's true, but they're not really telling you what you need to hear. The reason why you feel starved for intimacy is because you feel starved for meaning in your life. You can find meaning in your life, and you will, without women. The ugly truth about intimacy, especially for men is that you get it when you don't need it. When you can… | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 07:04 PM |
| 2 | Be Happy With Your Small WinsThis something people say a lot, but it doesn't make it any less true. | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Just fucked up majorly getting nervous making a move. Read if you want to cringe...No. If they don't bring it up, you don't bring it up. Don't apologize for getting shot down. You're approaching this with the mindset that you're already in the friend zone, thinking like that. Next time, don't get super stoned and trapped in your own head. | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Just fucked up majorly getting nervous making a move. Read if you want to cringe...Ironically enough, what fuckups you did make aren't the ones you think they are. Your first mistake was thinking shit was gonna go down in that situation. What were you gonna do, have a foursome? Not impossible, but a lot of things have to go right, and that sitch def didn't sound like it was going there. Gotta plan through to the end bro. It probably also wasn't an accident that you wound up back there in pairs - they likely planned that, just so there wouldn't be any sexytimes. Next, you were … | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 06:33 PM |
| 1 | You are better looking than you thinkThis is the reason why working on your physical appearance matters. It's not really for the ladies, it's for you. It's for you to be satisfied with your personal appearance. You need that if you're gonna believe that you're physically attractive and behave accordingly. Nobody who is severely overweight for instance can convince themselves they're sexy, even if they get laid. The lucky among us are born good looking and/or with natural game and get that mindset from tons of women giving them the … | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 05:32 PM |
| 2 | You are better looking than you thinkI actually don't mind it. Sure, things might get a little more difficult if women step up their game, but I think in some ways it might actually make things easier. Most people don't realize it, but your average woman has very weak game. They might read people better and have better social skills than your average guy, but I've had multiple situations where a girl has shot herself in the foot, and she knew it and I knew it. And many more beyond that, where a woman just got in her own way. | /r/seduction | 24/08/19 02:41 PM |
| 5 | What is an attractive way to act with women who have rejected you, or you've tried unsuccessfully with?My secret to dealing with rejection is I say to myself "how was this a blessing in disguise?" Because the truth is, there are many worse things than a mere rejection. Being strung along, her being crazy, ugly drama, mutual incompatibility - the list is endless. Here's some other tips I've learned the hard way. Recognize one-itis early and learn to shut that shit down fast. Recognize the different kinds of rejection, but recognize that the ways to deal with each one converge. Some girls will reje… | /r/seduction | 23/08/19 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Ideas on what went wrongnot surprised face Don't go for it tho, it's a trap! | /r/seduction | 21/08/19 03:19 PM |
| 0 | Ideas on what went wronghttps://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ct98xx/why_some_women_need_to_chase_constantly She sounds like this type. Well adjusted girls don't aggressively pursue guys already in or just out of relationships. They might opportunistically hook up with a guy in a relationship or do a rebound if they're not interested in something serious, but this doesn't sound like that. She's attracted to unavailable men, and you made yourself available. | /r/seduction | 21/08/19 02:01 PM |
| 0 | Why do girls who try to get your attention go cold after you show interest?https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ct98xx/why_some_women_need_to_chase_constantly | /r/seduction | 21/08/19 01:32 PM |
| 3 | Why Some Women Need To Chase ConstantlyOkay well the thing with guys is that guys are more commitophobic rather than needy. So just as the trick with Anxious women is to get them to chase you, the trick with Avoidant men is to use reverse psychology. Act like you don't need or really want a relationship. While all the while focusing on building rapport. Find out what his interests are, what he's passionate about and use that to indirectly stimulate his passion. Encourage vulnerability and reward it, then turn your emotional intimacy … | /r/seduction | 21/08/19 05:35 AM |
| 3 | How good is ignoring someone over text completely when they're not giving you good energy?The only purpose text game should serve is to get to a meetup. Otherwise you fall into the trap of just feeding her attention. Even if your game is tight, an excess of texting will lower attraction and lead to getting taken for granted. If texting is your only option, usually due to physical or emotional distance, then the important things to remember are tempo, momentum, and the whole reason for texting a girl who isn't a friend or girlfriend - meeting up. Tempo refers to who is taking the init… | /r/seduction | 21/08/19 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here ever gotten all the supposed signs a girl is into you but it turned out she wasn't?Yeah, it's called being a tease. In a woman's ideal world, she could flirt her pants off with any man and the guy wouldn't care. Unfortunately we're simply not that stoic, which is why it is important to ration your shits to give, don't play into games, and take initiative. Women don't indicate their true interest level through their behavior, they indicate it through their decisions and actions. Their behavior can certainly give clues as to how they're feeling, but I wouldn't base a decision of… | /r/seduction | 20/08/19 06:38 PM |
| 30 | The REAL way to deal with Shit Tests from women, from an actual womanI find the difficulty most guys have with shit tests is recognizing them. Most shit tests are not straight-up shit talking or insults. They most often take the form of insinuations and loaded questions. boundary pushing. attempts to control the dynamic or provoke a response. So they can often be pretty subtle. Oftentimes guys get rattled by them because they have pussy fever and get tunnel vision. If you're patient and detached, you usually recognize it and respond in a semi-appropriate fashion.… | /r/seduction | 19/08/19 09:19 PM |
| 6 | Feeling hopeless and need a bit of adviceThis is overblown. By the time she was asking for forgiveness, it was already over. His feels didn't scare her off (likely), it was just a doomed situation because of her ex. Matching enthusiasm actually isn't the worst thing in the world, it's being more into it than she is, where you run into problems. In fact, playing too many games in a situation like this is how you can screw yourself out of a perfectly good hookup. If she was blowing up his phone with nudes, playing games would have been b… | /r/seduction | 17/08/19 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Feeling hopeless and need a bit of adviceHonestly dude, sounds to me like you did just fine. As for her leaving for the other dude, shit happens man. A lot of women can't give up on a dude until they're absolutely sure it's not gonna work, even if they're broken up. Maybe she's lying and you scared her off with a bit of neediness, but it really doesn't sound like it. Usually when there's a neediness issue, it shows up before you've hooked up, or after a long pattern of behavior/some obvious incident. So honestly dude, you're just hurti… | /r/seduction | 17/08/19 07:49 PM |
| 3 | 3 things that INSTANTLY skyrocketed my dating life.This is why good fundamentals matters. Most of what's talked about in this field is essentially salesmanship - what mindset to have, strategies to follow, and things to say/do. But at the end of the day, you're selling something, and strangely enough, it's a product you have more control over than anyone else. So why not make yourself the best product you can? Selling something is ironically downright easy - so long as you believe in the product. I can't swear by this enough. To me it's a fundam… | /r/seduction | 01/08/19 03:03 AM |
| 3 | Should your grow your ego or abandon it?Your sense of self and identity is ultimately a mental abstraction. It's a concept, not an existant object. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or shouldn't exist, or isn't a necessary illusion. A sense of self serves a few essential psychological purposes: Gives you a consistent set of goals and values to align yourself and your actions by. You need an ego to know what's important to you and where you find meaning in life. Gives you a consistent social identity. You need an ego to understan… | /r/seduction | 31/07/19 04:15 PM |
| 8 | Quick tips for combating neediness and overthinking.Okay so it goes like this. Girls send lots of signs, some subtle, others not. Sometimes legit, sometimes exaggerated or deceptive. That's why when it comes to a girl's interest, the best cues are her decisions and actions. Flashing googly eyes or saying a few flirtatious things is cheap, going out with you not so much. So, Initiation = she makes the first move. She flirts first, touches you first, approaches you, asks you out, or flat out asks you to sleep with her. Biggest green light you can g… | /r/seduction | 30/07/19 07:19 PM |
| 4 | How to flirt witthout compliments?Compliments are not a bad thing, the trick is to do it right. Most guys don't. The kind of compliments women like are the ones that a) feel earned, b) make her feel special, and c) make her feel sexy without breaking sexual tension (i.e. indirect). The kind she doesn't like are the ones that a) feel incongruous, b) are over the top or cliche (OMG ur so beautiful), or c) belong in the bedroom. So here's some other tips: Compliment a girl either as an icebreaker or after she's qualified herself/wo… | /r/seduction | 30/07/19 05:18 PM |
| 12 | I am an Indian in Canada. What do you think are our chances usually here? And what do you recommend on how should we approach women?Not an Indian guy, but I've got friends who I've seen in action. Two of them wifed up smoking hot quality girls (ones I would have been proud of) and both guys are short. I've also seen guys who have no luck at all. Here's some common things I've noticed. Both successful guys had near-native English skills. I cannot stress enough the importance of this. It gave both of them comfort and confidence talking to women. They both knew other languages as well and it definitely impressed women. One was … | /r/seduction | 30/07/19 05:00 PM |
| 2 | Quick tips for combating neediness and overthinking.2.Is heavily based on how attractive you are... the hotter you are the more mistakes you can make and will be forgiven for. If you make a mistake as a ugly guy she’ll just let the next dude in. This is almost a tautology. Of course if she's more attracted to you, you'll have more wiggle room. You're just assuming that all attraction is physical. 8.Women don’t really care about your purpose if you’re ugly because they aren’t interested in you or wanting to chase you. Being on your purpose when yo… | /r/seduction | 30/07/19 04:03 PM |
| 8 | Quick tips for combating neediness and overthinking.The explanation of Number 9 seems to conflict with the whole Models style of seduction where vulnerability is strength. But the actually rule you have seems to be in alignment. That's because non-neediness and vulnerability counterbalance each other. In fact vulnerability works against you without non-neediness because it comes across as desperate/weak/ingratiating. Give a girl nonstop vulnerability and even if she likes it, she'll put you in the friend zone every time. Having a strong identity … | /r/seduction | 29/07/19 09:28 PM |
| 2 | Dealing with high harm avoidanceMy theory on harm avoidance is that it comes from high serotonin activity, not high serotonin levels. When is this the case? When your brain is low on serotonin and therefore hypersensitive. It makes even more sense if you think of it in terms of balance between serotonin and dopamine levels. A brain high in serotonin and low in dopamine is risk-embracing, positive in its outlook, more energetic and motivated and more sensitive to cues of interest and desire (i.e. reward), rather than approval a… | /r/seduction | 21/07/19 11:57 PM |
| 7 | I don't enjoy being a jerk with girls, but it gets me results.Feminism did a lot of damage to women. Damage that they're only just starting to take stock of now. Ultimately the big way feminism let women down was by giving women whole new scopes of freedom, and no guidance or even thought about how that freedom should be used responsibly. If we did the same thing with men, we'd see equally disastrous results, if not even worse. Freedom without personal responsibility is a recipe for entitlement, insecurity, and aimlessness. It produces damaged and flawed p… | /r/seduction | 17/07/19 08:52 PM |
| 10 | I don't enjoy being a jerk with girls, but it gets me results.I've got a similar issue. It goes a little like this. I like being intimate with women. Not just sex, but actual intimacy. I don't mind talking, discussing feels, hopes and dreams and all that crap. I like having real relationships with women, even if it's not serious. I don't mind having female friends, so long as they're not out to manipulate me into being their chump orbiter. But a lot of women mistake kindness and openness for weakness. Even if sex isn't the be all and end all of your object… | /r/seduction | 17/07/19 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Is it even worth it?It's kinda like Dark Souls. You fail over and over again as you slowly start getting gud. What you're in right now is the pain period. Go read Models again and focus on having a lifestyle that you enjoy and others find attractive. | /r/seduction | 17/07/19 07:27 PM |
| 34 | Very hot girl gave me a record-breaking number of shit tests on our first date. I deflected most of them and she ended up initiating the kissGirls shit test because they don't really care what a guy says, they care immensely about why they say it. When you compliment her, is it because she actually impressed you or are you trying to flatter her? When you make sexual jokes is it because you think she's easy or because she's turning you on? Shit tests would actually be indistinguishable from normal flirting were it not for the intention behind it. Shit tests are more defensive and provocative. Ultimately what shit tests are about is te… | /r/seduction | 17/07/19 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Friend turned side chick?Why should she dude? You're stringing her along. Nut up and let her go and stop using women you're not that into as a security blanket. Go make some guy friends. | /r/seduction | 16/07/19 06:33 PM |
| 9 | Best book/material that helped you out?Models - accept no substitute. Honorable mentions include Way of the Superior Man, Art of Seduction, and maybe one of Mystery's books. One of these days I'll make a reading list, but Models is far and away the single best book on dating I've ever read. | /r/seduction | 16/07/19 12:48 AM |
| 3 | Im having a really hard time trying to comprehend what women find attractive in men.Mark Manson said it best when he said the root of female sexuality is the desire to be desired. Maybe that's true of sexuality for everyone, but for women it's particularly true. That's why Rules 1 and 2. When she's attracted, just about anything will arouse her. When she's not attracted, nothing will. Now what's the difference between attraction and arousal? Arousal is physical and purely emotional. That's why guys can fuck a girl they hate and consider it great sex. Attraction has everything t… | /r/seduction | 14/07/19 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Is friend-zoning women you're attracted to always a bad move?It's only a weak move if it's not genuine. If you want her in your life but legit don't want more than friendship, then there's nothing wrong with it. But if you go back on it, get needy, or start persuing her later, you will look weak. Unless she's super needy or infatuated with you, friendzoning her will likely kill off her non-platonic interest, outside of a random night where she's drunk and horny. So, so long as you understand that and don't undermine yourself, do you. That being said, the … | /r/seduction | 14/07/19 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Being rejected on purpose?If you set yourself up to fail, it's not a real rejection. | /r/seduction | 06/07/19 10:19 PM |
| 3 | How to get over thinking that leagues exist?If you think she's out of your league, she is. That attitude will permeate your interactions and cause you to self-sabotage. Truth is, you don't really know what your league is unless you've gotten a ton of good experience and have a realistic appraisal of your sexual market value. And even then, sometimes you just get lucky. For instance, I never thought women in the top 5% of looks would be interested in me, until they were. It's a real eye-opening experience when legit models start sending yo… | /r/seduction | 06/07/19 07:30 PM |
| 3 | 3 easy-as-fuck ways to sexualize your interactions (+ Very Sexual Daygame Infield)This is actually good advice, contrary to the white knight brigade in this thread. It's not automatically creepy to sexualize a conversation with a girl you're trying to flirt with. For one thing, it's just words and she can always just walk away. And as the OP says, a failure to sexualize can often lead to an interaction stalling out. Just don't start asking your coworker out of the blue if she likes being choked - that actually is creepy and full retard risky in today's climate. Another thing … | /r/seduction | 06/07/19 07:15 PM |
| 2 | 3 easy-as-fuck ways to sexualize your interactions (+ Very Sexual Daygame Infield)Getting reported to the police for some sexually explicit flirting? Either you're projecting or you're a troll. | /r/seduction | 06/07/19 07:09 PM |
| 2 | How to be friendly without being a nice guy?Honestly the only real solution is practice. Because you can never predict who will push your boundaries and how. Each situation sorta requires its own solution and trying to template it is a much wider discussion. If I were you, I'd focus on killing off neediness and cultivating the right mindset. When you stop sweating any individual girl so much, setting boundaries and/or walking away abruptly stops becoming such a big deal. Then you just do what feels natural and right. As a general rule, th… | /r/seduction | 05/07/19 11:07 PM |
| 1 | How to be friendly without being a nice guy?Yep your issue is definitely setting boundaries. Chicks shit test you a few times and think they've got you figured out when in reality, you just didn't really care. Then you wonder why down the road they treat you like shit, and then they act surprised when you do finally set boundaries and walk away. This is what happens when you don't set boundaries properly and go along to get along. Girls think you're weak and soon the only way to prove them wrong is to ditch them. | /r/seduction | 05/07/19 10:49 PM |
| 5 | How to be friendly without being a nice guy?Your issue likely lies in setting boundaries. This is one of the hallmark "nice guy" traits, and one of the hardest to break. The reason why it's so hard to break is because setting boundaries is a risk. She could just blow you off, and then your only option is to walk away, or be her bitch. And often if you don't do it promptly and in the moment, you might as well not bother because that's the impression she'll have of you from now on - a guy she can manipulate and tool and therefore much less … | /r/seduction | 05/07/19 10:44 PM |
| 1 | Have respect for yourselfIt's valid advice when you're a newbie. You play the numbers game and avoid orbiter situations like the plague because it will just teach you bad habits. Mixed signals aren't that complicated once you get better at reading people. But the safe assumption when you're getting mixed signals regardless is to dial it back and get some perspective. | /r/seduction | 01/07/19 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Have respect for yourselfThis. Be persistent until the cost/benefit stops adding up. Then decisively cut bait and focus on something else. | /r/seduction | 01/07/19 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Women see me as a master fuckboy, when paradoxically, I can't get any girls at all. How do I shake the impression?Honestly dude, your move is to start backing off. The harder you try with a girl once she's in that state, the more weirdness you'll get. It makes more sense if you view it as overgaming. Even if you weren't trying that hard, sometimes you push a girl's buttons so well that they can't handle it. They'll self-sabotage, give you over the top shit tests, try and play you, or push you away. I find the move with these girls is to back off and let them calm down. Either they'll come back and come corr… | /r/seduction | 27/06/19 05:43 PM |
| 1 | Is having a reputation a good thing or a bad thing?Depends on how you got it and how you react to it. Don't make it a big deal. | /r/seduction | 27/06/19 02:07 PM |
| 6 | Women see me as a master fuckboy, when paradoxically, I can't get any girls at all. How do I shake the impression?I've experienced something similar too. Where girls psych themselves out and start acting flaky and weird to the point where you have no choice but to drop them. Which is weird, because I don't consider myself the kinda guy that freak girls out like that. I've got a lot of work ahead of me to get my career on track, I could still stand to lose another 20 pounds, and my self-confidence/neediness level still needs improvement to me. What's going on with you OP is projection. That's what the "fuckb… | /r/seduction | 27/06/19 02:03 PM |
| 6 | "Im just not feeling a romantic connection"You're under-gaming them. That's what it means. Flirt more. | /r/seduction | 25/06/19 10:51 PM |
| 3 | Getting crazy mixed signals, did I fuck this up somehow? Is she just not that into me?This. Best solution is to run and run fast before you get caught up in the games. Most often these girls wanted to get with you before, didn't, and got bent out of shape over it. They'll never admit it, but it's a form of semi-repressed revenge for them. Think of it like an ex-booty call you use to get your ex-girlfriend jealous. It's shitty but human behavior and the only thing you can really do is nope out early and tell her to sort herself out. | /r/seduction | 24/06/19 02:55 AM |
| 6 | Why do I attract trashy and unstable girls? What does it say about me?Unless you love drama, I suspect it's a sign of Nice Guy issues. Not the meme, but the pattern of behavior described in Robert Glover's No More Mr Nice Guy. It's also not necessarily the women themselves that are trashy and unstable, but it's the behavior you tolerate. I've noticed this in myself, where I let women behave badly and don't find a way to set my boundaries until it's too late. So treat it as a sign you need to focus on satisfying your needs first, set boundaries on time, and always … | /r/seduction | 24/06/19 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Why do girls ask this?You're missing the forest for the trees OP. It's a qualifying question. It's the kinda thing girls ask when they're scoping you out. It's indirect flirting, nothing more, nothing less. How you answer largely depends on the vibe. If she's asking it out of nowhere or hasn't displayed that much interest, I'll probably answer it playfully or take it as a cue to start qualifying her. If she's asking it well along and after she's made some time/sexual investment, I'll probably just give a straight ans… | /r/seduction | 22/06/19 10:51 PM |
| 2 | How To PASS ANY Shit Test (The Triple A Trick)Shit testing is just a form of flirting and guys do it too. The rest of what you're saying is either obvious (non-neediness and be fun) or just flat out wrong (just let things happen LOL). Flirting is a dance, someone has to lead and someone has to follow and if both people are playing passive, well the vibe obviously won't be there. And it's not that girls can't make the first move (happened to me about 5-6 times), just that they usually won't. This is obviously either a woman or a lame guy whi… | /r/seduction | 21/06/19 02:58 PM |
| 5 | How To PASS ANY Shit Test (The Triple A Trick)Every girl shit tests, and when both people know what they're doing, they're actually a great flirting/teasing technique. The problem is when guys don't know how to handle it or girls go full retard with it and basically just troll the guy into walking away. | /r/seduction | 21/06/19 02:51 PM |
| 3 | How To PASS ANY Shit Test (The Triple A Trick)There's nothing wrong with noping out of extreme shit tests, like blatant attempts to make you jealous. Every girl shit tests, but ones that do it a lot or take it to extremes are usually insecure and needy. Sometimes just walking away from a shit test is not only the smart move, but it's actually the best way to respond. The only catch is being actually prepared to walk away. | /r/seduction | 21/06/19 02:49 PM |
| 2 | How to hit on a 10/10 girl ?Honestly my advice to you is stop giving a shit about impressing her and just wing it. Super hot girls, they'll have high standards and a nose for neediness. Your best shot of standing out is to not be phased by her looks and talk to her like you would any other girl. In my experience with top 1% women, if you think they're out of your league, they probably are. And if you care too much about making it happen with them, you won't. So you're best off putting your best foot forward and treating it… | /r/seduction | 18/06/19 09:26 PM |
| 2 | How do you let a girl know you want to be on a fuck-buddy basis with her?You sleep with them, then you have the talk. Not that complicated. Talking about relationship expectations before sex is generally a rookie move which kills sexual tension. | /r/seduction | 14/06/19 05:22 PM |
| 1 | In need of advice against demoralisationYou're still putting too much face value into the "I have a boyfriend". Half the time girls say that, it's bullshit, but it's more polite than a direct rejection. Girls aren't stupid. They can tell when a guy is needy by the way he responds to them and especially if you're waiting for reactions. You may have the confidence to approach and that's good, but if you can't shrug off bad signs and embrace rejection, that confidence is hollow. One trick you should try is flip the script and start scree… | /r/seduction | 14/06/19 01:39 PM |
| 0 | Really?Good looking guy reporting in. Looks will get you noticed by more attractive women, but they're no substitute for confidence and a good sense of humor. If anything, looks can actually be a bit of a handicap, as high-self-esteem girls will have higher expectations for you, and low self-esteem girls will get shook and start playing games and get insecure. | /r/seduction | 14/06/19 01:31 PM |
| 5 | In need of advice against demoralisation"You seem old" is a shit test you're falling into. 30 isn't old in the grand scheme of things, in fact early-mid 30s are the perfect age for 20-something girls who are into older men (and they are many). Your mostly likely problem is that you're too socially anxious and you're undergaming girls. When they say "I have a boyfriend" that's their way of saying "I'm just not that into you". Whether or not it's true is irrelevant, you might as well just brush it off with a joke and/or eject. Honestly … | /r/seduction | 14/06/19 01:18 PM |
| 4 | At what point does a girl become too desperate when pursuing a man?I just don’t understand dating culture you guys. 20F here. I hear so many different contradicting things about girls making the first move. On one hand, guys are always like “girls should make the first move more often!!!” Blah blah. But then also will be like “girls should know their worth and respect themselves, guys should be the chasers” blah blah blah. Like ???? I do know my worth...honestly I am a pretty good catch in most aspects but I’m just really shy. Because there are no norms anymore… | /r/seduction | 14/06/19 01:03 PM |
| 1 | [FR] First F-close With a New MoveNice work. This stuff doesn't have to be hard. A lot of times its just feeling a situation out and knowing when to be patient and when to be decisive. | /r/seduction | 10/06/19 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Was this a shit test? How should I have responded?That wasn't a shit test. A shit test is where a girl tries to put you on the spot to see if she can trigger your insecurities. My best read on what she said is it was just her way of saying she wasn't really into that guy. She probably felt an awkward twinge chatting up another guy, then coming back to sit with you, and didn't want you to get jelly. When it comes to reading the meaning behind the things girls say, the simplest interpretation is most likely the best one. | /r/seduction | 10/06/19 02:59 AM |
| 15 | Read the ‘50th law’ by Robert Greene and 50 cent. This book is instrumental to explaining fear and how you can deal with any fears you haveI second this. I first thought the book was kinda silly with the leatherbound cover, but it's actually fucking legit. Fear is insidious, and if you bury it and never confront it, it will infect your soul. One of the things I always try to remember is that the way to defeat worry/anxiety is simply to accept the worst case scenario and put your best foot forward. | /r/seduction | 10/06/19 02:53 AM |
| 2 | Turning things sexualStep 1: Touch her. It's the stepping stone to making out. Step 2: Tease her. It's how you show interest without being desperate and get some sexual tension going. Step 3: Compliment her when she's earned it. Step 4: Treat your sexual desire as a gift you want to give. When the vibe is right, she'll drop enough hints. Most important of all, get out of your own head, and stop acting like you need to give her some killer line or sweep her off her feet. Seduction is really just indirect communicatio… | /r/seduction | 10/06/19 02:48 AM |
| 3 | Why didn't she do X?These kinds of dilemmas make more sense when you consider two very important facts. Most women are amateurs at best when it comes to game. They're just better on average than men. 70% of seduction is indirect at best, and frequently non verbal. Communication breakdowns are kind of inevitable. That's why it's so important to be disciplined with your shits to give. Like baseball, if you're batting over .300, you're doing freakishly well. I can't think of how many situations I've had that were ruin… | /r/seduction | 09/06/19 04:22 AM |
| 0 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:That's simply wrong. Laws are based on ethics, not morality. You want laws based on morality - go live in Iran. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 06:56 PM |
| 0 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:Laws are based on ethics, not morality. Enshrining morality in law is how you get things like religious police and anti-miscegenation laws. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 06:53 PM |
| 0 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:It's unethical to cause unnecessary harm to others long before it's immoral. You're confusing morals and ethics. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 06:52 PM |
| 0 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:Ethics is a set of rules one follows to prevent unnecessary harm to others. Morality is a value hierarchy/belief system. So yes, something can hypothetically be "moral" while being deeply unethical. And something can be ethical while being deeply immoral. An example of the first would be some of the shit cult leaders pull. It's permitted by their highly contrived moral codes, but is often self-evidently unethical. And an example of the second would be justifiable homicide or war. It's not that c… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 06:36 PM |
| 1 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:Yeah the post modernists are hypocrites, but it doesn't change the fact that morality is and must be an individual matter. Hold people to the same ethical standards, sure. But trying to enforce your morality on others is no different than trying to convert people by the sword. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 05:57 PM |
| -1 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:You're conflating morality and ethics. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 05:54 PM |
| 9 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:Cheating may be immoral and unethical, but it's not a violation of the rights of others, or something society cannot tolerate. Therefore making it a crime is legislating morality and I'm not down with that. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 03:22 PM |
| 91 | And then he punched the dumb whore and said:Yes there often is two sides to both cheating and abuse situations. But there's no justification for either. And the notion that anyone should apologize and accept responsibility for someone else's out of line behavior should be laughed out of the room. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 02/06/19 02:35 PM |
| 1 | Is befriending a woman you're attracted to always a beta move?Can't tell if troll or edgelord. | /r/seduction | 02/06/19 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Girlfriend's Responsiveness Affecting HappinessYou're probably texting her first all the time, stop it. Let her take the lead a little. Meditate. Exercise. Read Models by Mark Manson Read this. | /r/seduction | 24/05/19 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Self aware smooth guys of reddit, what mistakes do you see non-smooth guys make while in conversation?Direct openers are when you show interest, not intent. You walk up to a girl, say "hey let's go back to my place", and mean it - 99/100 times you'll get rejected and often harshly. Whereas if you opened with a gentle compliment or even something as cliche as "I thought you were cute and I wanted to say hi", you'll do better. Especially with the girls that respond to an initial show of interest. | /r/seduction | 24/05/19 02:37 PM |
| 1 | Self aware smooth guys of reddit, what mistakes do you see non-smooth guys make while in conversation?That's actually a perfect metaphor. Ideally you should never talk about "you and her" directly (pre-hooking up) unless you're basically troubleshooting. And even then you should try and do it from a position of strength. In a lot of ways, seduction is simply indirect negotiation. | /r/seduction | 24/05/19 02:34 PM |
| 3 | Self aware smooth guys of reddit, what mistakes do you see non-smooth guys make while in conversation?Upvote for you good sir. One of the things you get with experience is you appreciate more and more that girls are people too. I know that sounds silly or even pompous, but when you're just starting out, it feels like girls are holding all the cards and can see your hand too. Over time what you realize is that girls can and do make mistakes just as often as guys, if not more as their social goals are usually more convoluted and ambitious. They can get psyched out, self-sabotage, overshare, or mak… | /r/seduction | 24/05/19 02:27 PM |
| 2 | Self aware smooth guys of reddit, what mistakes do you see non-smooth guys make while in conversation?Yes of course. The trick is not coming into the interaction with the intent pre-formed. Then you start off in a position of neediness and fight a losing battle trying to hide it. That's why guys fuck up escalation. They jump the gun because they don't attract and get her invested first. | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 11:58 PM |
| 82 | Self aware smooth guys of reddit, what mistakes do you see non-smooth guys make while in conversation?I'm not a "self-aware smooth guy". If I fool people, it's from a lifetime of practice. One of my friends once described as about as subtle as a nuclear bomb - no joke. But I can tell you the number one mistake non-smooth guys make, from personal experience: The more focused you are on the intention of getting laid, the more obviously that intent will shine through your conversation. You learn this when girls start to approach you and come onto you. With many girls, you have to be an Aspie not to… | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 04:32 PM |
| 1 | I'm so frustrated..I can tell you what you're missing. You're getting trapped in your own head because you're scared of girls not liking you. Ever considered that you're not gonna like every girl? You learn this once you find yourself turning down sex. Doesn't happen often but it will. Then you'll know how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot. Once you find yourself in the position of having to reject otherwise attractive girls because of incompatibility or lack of chemistry, you stop getting so afraid of r… | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Can I get a risk assessment on this?If you care about this job, just don't. Doesn't matter if she works in a different department, the fact that she knows your boss is a danger sign right there. Odds are you probably can take home this girl. Her asking you out for drinks + flirting with you makes it very unlikely this is just a networking thing for her. Seeing as you already made the plans, you might as well follow through. But do not chase this girl, regardless of whether or not you intend to sleep with her, and if the topic of h… | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Oneitis ruined me. Now the journey begins.Neediness is a bitch my friend. It's the reason why guys fail shit tests - they care too much about making a good impression on her. This is also a classic example of why no amount of outer game will compensate for a deficit of inner game, as the bad mindset will infect and taint all your words and deeds and make you do dumb shit. In fact, my theory of one-itis suggests that people in the grips of one-itis self-sabotage, and that's why it gets worse and worse. The more needy you get, the more yo… | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Oneitis ruined me. Now the journey begins.The best example I can think of is the first half of this clip, from the pilot of Suits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZT5_Jo7UUk | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 12:57 PM |
| 2 | How do I respond to this?"Fair enough, I have a full dance card anyways" or "Lolll, I thought the super-like was mad cute but whatevs" When you go cocky and a woman responds in kind, always call the bluff. Either it's a shit test and therefore the correct response, or she's about to dip anyway and you have nothing to lose. | /r/seduction | 23/05/19 12:45 PM |
| 1 | FINALLY lost virginity at 23. Have some questionsHow tf you knew? Experience. | /r/seduction | 22/05/19 06:08 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think people don't want guys to be taught game?Women don't want guys learning game for two reasons. The first is because they're already having trouble enough with guys as it is. Many girls actually have terrible game. Many of them don't know how to demonstrate value to men beyond sex, get blown over by shows of superficial condifence and status, and chase guys who aren't that into them. As a result, many girls actually feel like they're on the losing side of the sexual marketplace because they've never stopped to question their own decision… | /r/seduction | 16/05/19 05:56 PM |
| 3 | How to get women to chase (With 50 Shades of Grey)The secret to getting girls to chase is to express your sexuality indirectly through flirting. The two main types are teasing and leading. Grey seduces the girl by first playing it cool when she's all anxious, then making a bold display of interest, followed by disqualifying her/himself. Which sets her up to get drawn in deeper. It's a cycle he repeats over and over again. You're right OP that most girls would likely buckle under the sexual tension and get weird/ghost, but because Grey's value t… | /r/seduction | 13/05/19 10:02 PM |
| 5 | Which traits do most women find interesting?I think this is asking the wrong question. What a girl is interested in and looking for from a guy will vary based on her interest and investment levels and her own personality. So here's how it goes in my experience: To get on a girl's radar, all you need to show is show some kind of personality or identity. It actually doesn't really matter what. Just don't be a faceless formless drone and you can make a good impression. Hell you don't even need to really be that confident, yet. At this stage … | /r/seduction | 12/05/19 09:42 PM |
| 1 | What Happened to the PUA Scene?It doesn't have to be perfect science, but if someone is going to make an argument based on a biological premise it should have at least some evidence/references so we can take it as more than just some random dude's opinion. You're baying at the moon then. Almost all of psychology is a combination of empirical observation, theory, conjecture, and hypotheses, and psuedoscientific psychometric studies (basically surveys). Psychology in its current state is a proto science. It has interesting idea… | /r/seduction | 12/05/19 05:40 PM |
| 5 | What Happened to the PUA Scene?This shit ain't science and trying to pretend like it is doesn't make it so. The value of these ideas only comes because they make sense or they appear to work. | /r/seduction | 11/05/19 06:47 PM |
| 8 | What Happened to the PUA Scene?2008 happened. People started going out less. The limitations of Mystery/Style game became apparent. It didn't speak to inner game, and girls got wise to many of the more obvious canned lines and tactics. That's one of the big takeaways from The Game is sure early wins can do wonders for your mindset but it's all superficial and comes crashing down as soon as things get tough or weird. Mark Manson came around and blew all the other PUAs out of the water with Models. The problem is a lot of his s… | /r/seduction | 11/05/19 05:20 PM |
| 7 | What did you start doing to get girls to view you sexually?Because it touches on the un-PC truth that women generally prefer to chase rather than to be chased. Or they prefer to chase first and then be chased. That they're more comfortable in a relationship where they're the more invested party, rather than the guy. Either way, as a general rule direct sexual interest doesn't go over well with women, they want to want a guy a little first. For many women, this sounds like pain and humiliation because it makes them think of chasing guys who weren't that … | /r/seduction | 09/05/19 06:34 PM |
| 3 | Is there any way to use a big dick as a means of getting laid?This. It isn't like women are asexual until you turn them on, it's more like they repress their sexuality to prevent themselves from making mistakes. This is another reason why leading with your dick doesn't work - even if she responds to it some level, all it'll mean is her walls clamp down even harder. Gushing about celebrities is actually pretty safe for girls because the odds of something actually happening between her and that celebrity are nil. They also like to idealize and fantasize abou… | /r/seduction | 09/05/19 04:39 PM |
| 5 | What is your opinion on Black pill community and their views?This. I actually do believe the sexual marketplace is tipped against most guys these days and there's a variety of reasons for that. Could women help restore balance by changing certain attitudes? Sure. But for the individual guy the way things are is just the way things are, and the only really worthwhile thing to do is adapt and overcome. Blaming others fixes nothing. | /r/seduction | 09/05/19 03:46 PM |
| 10 | Is there any way to use a big dick as a means of getting laid?A big dick doesn't get you laid. Women only care about the size of your package (to the extent that they do) once they're already getting physical with you. Then it's a selling feature more likely to keep them coming around. Or, you hook up with a girl and she tells her friends. But you kinda need to sleep with her first in order for that possibility. One thing you need to accept is that most women need to be emotionally attracted to someone before they can be sexually attracted. So trying to us… | /r/seduction | 09/05/19 03:44 PM |
| 120 | How do I lose feelings for my FWB?You've caught feels. Either accept you're not gonna get all of what you want and enjoy what you've got, or cut her loose and start moving on. | /r/seduction | 09/05/19 03:40 PM |
| 18 | What qualities do seductive women possess, in your opinion?Seduction is best described as a more specific form of charisma, or the ability to influence the emotions of others by projecting your own. Ironically, there's four main tools to seduction, and they're the same for women as they are for men, because we actually all want the same things, just not in the same way. So the styles and finer details vary widely, but the core palette of emotions are the same: The ability to project high status and confidence through assertive displays of non-neediness.… | /r/seduction | 08/05/19 11:55 PM |
| 1 | 24/M - Kinda at wit's end regarding how women seem to find me repulsive for no reason (or at least one I'm unable to pinpoint)You're tall, not ugly, and have a decent to above average lifestyle. On paper you should have no issues getting female attention. You probably have a pattern where girls show initial interest in you, sometimes a lot, and then they slowly tail off and either ghost or just shoot you down with unusual abruptness or bitterness to it. If that's the case, then the likely answer is you're too needy and you're taking them far too seriously. That's why goofy funny guys get laid. They don't take women ser… | /r/seduction | 08/05/19 11:44 PM |
| 329 | What did you start doing to get girls to view you sexually?If you can't make and hold eye contact with a girl, she'll have trouble viewing you as sexually attractive, even if she already does - that's how important it is. The key to successfully escalating is making sexual affection a gift, not a demand. When she has to earn or justify your attention, interest, and praise she's already primed to see you as a person of value and everything else about you. Women think holistically. The basic flirtation is the tease. There's countless formulas and variatio… | /r/seduction | 08/05/19 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?There's nothing really for me left to say. Seizing on her telling you about her plans as a reason to play it cool is simply a mistake and wrong. You're overthinking it. All you need to do is say "hey wanna go grab a drink sometime?" There's about a 90% chance she'll say yes given the signs she's dropping (volunteering that she was single was huge, she might as well have asked if you were). Just nut up and ask the damn girl out. Did you not see the thread about the guy who took home a knockout by… | /r/seduction | 05/05/19 10:41 PM |
| 8 | I wanna give this guy a blowjobWomen only have more power than you if you want them more than they want you. Now, when you first approach a girl, that's likely to be the case, as she's likely not sexually attracted to you unless she's been sending you massive approach signals. But as soon as it becomes clear you're part of the small percentage of guys who have the right stuff (and they invariably have options), the dynamic turns on a dime. And often it doesn't take much. That's why you hear stories of ordinary guys going home… | /r/seduction | 03/05/19 05:31 PM |
| 5 | I wanna give this guy a blowjobYou can just go up and straight proposition him. Guys are surprisingly receptive to the blunt approach provided they're attracted to you and don't have a good reason not to. Most girls don't do that because if you lead with sexual favors, you're in a shitty negotiating position for a future relationship, similar to a guy in the friend zone. And they're also often worried about guys talking and getting a rep for being easy. But if you're not worried about either of those things then just go for i… | /r/seduction | 03/05/19 05:15 PM |
| 1 | If a girl tells me I’m not giving her enough attention, should I actually give her more?Sure give her more attention, but make her work for it. Don't just give her attention - that's what she doesn't want. Tease her, flirt with her, give her compliance tests. Women want to earn your attention, not just be given it like some kind of bribe to get her into bed. | /r/seduction | 02/05/19 03:09 PM |
| 2 | 20 year old need adviceThis, should be required reading for every newbie. | /r/seduction | 02/05/19 02:58 PM |
| 1 | What are conversation starters that would guarantee(not completely) the conversation would not be awkward?There is no guarantee against awkwardness, and there are far worse things than awkwardness. Just get over it, and if an interaction is too awkward, just eject and have some abundance mentality. | /r/seduction | 02/05/19 02:57 PM |
| 2 | How do you implement 48 laws of power with vulnerability?Sounds like you don't understand either philosophy too well. For instance, conceal your intentions in a dating context means that you don't tell her right off the bat that you want to sleep with her. Girls aren't stupid and they know that guys don't approach them just to shoot the shit, but that doesn't mean you should be obvious either. And vulnerability just means that when a girl has earned it and wants it, you let your guard down a little and tell her what you really think and feel. It doesn… | /r/seduction | 02/05/19 02:55 PM |
| 2 | All Of Game Summed Up In Three Sentences.I rest my case. | /r/seduction | 01/05/19 01:01 PM |
| 4 | All Of Game Summed Up In Three Sentences.Then it sounds like your beef is with your chosen meaning of the word "seduction", not with anything I said. To me seduction is about persuasion and playing the flirting game that men and women secretly love to play. If you're bribing, coercing, manipulating, or otherwise conning women into bed, if you're even thinking about doing those things, you're doing something wrong. | /r/seduction | 01/05/19 12:58 PM |
| 2 | Escalation WindowsYou might find this interesting then: https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bj84s9/all_of_game_summed_up_in_three_sentences/ | /r/seduction | 01/05/19 02:32 AM |
| 4 | Friends, I took home an absolute bombshell the other night and I am by no means a PUA or ripped douchebag (short story inside).I like how ceasarfecit put it. You confessing all this stupid shit showed you dont give a fuck. Im trying to wrap my head around that cause im having trouble understanding that since so much times its been said that, that type of shit makes you look patheitc. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. One of Mark Manson's best stories is the "hey can I pee in your butt?" story where one of his natural friends got laid with that as his opening line. Reason why im so intrigued is i do the same sh… | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 11:54 PM |
| 2 | Friends, I took home an absolute bombshell the other night and I am by no means a PUA or ripped douchebag (short story inside).You're already sleeping with her and now you know what she likes and what she was responding to. So just keep doing what you've been doing. Oh and read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bj84s9/all_of_game_summed_up_in_three_sentences | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 11:03 PM |
| 7 | All Of Game Summed Up In Three Sentences.Everything I said flows back to them. That's why I used them. Three sentences and their meaning is a lot easier to remember than an entire essay. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 09:40 PM |
| 50 | Friends, I took home an absolute bombshell the other night and I am by no means a PUA or ripped douchebag (short story inside).You took her home because you were saying stupid shit. Most guys when they approach a girl like that, they're so caught up with making a good impression that they telegraph how much of a big deal they think she is. You did the opposite. Maybe it was just because you were drunk, but because you were just saying random crap you showed that you DGAF about whether or not she was impressed. I'll say it again: by saying a whole bunch of obviously silly crap you didn't mean, you actually demonstrated t… | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 09:28 PM |
| 20 | All Of Game Summed Up In Three Sentences.Sometimes people like to write long essays just for the hell of it. It's a sickness. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 09:10 PM |
| 3 | The Life of a 10/10 Male (Tinder Case Study)(Pics)Tinder is a hookup app. Of course its gonna be shallow and superficial, and the girls will be primed to get down with hot guys. As others have said, this doesn't really prove anything unique, novel, or interesting. Do you think us guys are looking for true love on there too? What a lot of people are missing is that I don't think the catfishing photos were really the secret weapon in this interaction. They just opened the door. What really did it for these girls was the guy's DNGAF sexual banter.… | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 01:38 PM |
| 4 | Oh man I broke all my rulesYou're sleeping with her, I think you've got the inside track bud. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 03:17 AM |
| 6 | Oh man I broke all my rulesIt's called catching feels. Date her or get over it. Either way, telling her how you feel will at least get it off your chest. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 03:02 AM |
| 3 | Oh man I broke all my rulesOkay you're catching feels for your friend turned fuckbuddy. So long as you think you can keep your cool and not beg for a relationship, I'd just talk to her. The more you try to repress this shit, the more it will turn into an obsession, and that will fuck things up. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 02:51 AM |
| 1 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?Meditate and don't watch porn. That'll get you living in the moment. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 02:46 AM |
| 1 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?She started the conversation, therefore she opened you. It's not a big sign of interest, especially now that you have some rapport, but it's not insignificant either. Also interesting that she pointed out you always have your pods in - now why would she notice that... (That btw is how girls think. They hear what you say, and then they start asking themselves and their girlfriends what was the intention or meaning behind it) I get where your heads at, and I've been there. You think she's out of y… | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Guys/Gals, We need to talk.This. Stick around OP, this sub needs more people with experience on here to balance out the frustrated and bitter nerds. All game comes back to confidence and confidence is just being able to face down reality and accept it. Then you can do something about it. And then life gets a little better. And then it becomes a flywheel you need to charge up. And then slowly but surely it seeps into your game, and you get more opportunity, more experience, more comfort. That's why the first of Mark Manson… | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 02:10 AM |
| 1 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?Why haven't you already. That little flirtation of yours was perfect and she totally wanted you to read her shirt, that's why she wore it. She opened you. She's sending you all the signs. It's not needy to escalate when she's making herself available and happily playing along. It's actually needier not to in some circumstances, because it's pussy and expecting her to do all the work. Put your best foot forward, take it easy, and remember to frame yourself as the prize. | /r/seduction | 30/04/19 01:55 AM |
| 2 | The Pseudo Friend-zoneA lot of guys fuck this up right around now because they get all needy and obsessive and scare her off. I've both seen it and done it. The issue guys have is the prior relationship. You've invested a ton in her already as a friend, far more than any normal girl. So when you tack on your romantic/sexual interest, your mind naturally wants to treat her like a big fucking deal. What you don't realize is that if she's making out with you, that means she's at least physically attracted to you on some… | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Ex GF is coming by to drop off stuff - what do I do?Yep. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Ex GF is coming by to drop off stuff - what do I do?So basically you want to start banging her again before she leaves? Ever put some thought into what she wants and why she would want to start sleeping with you again right after breaking up with you? Just because your breakup wasn't an ugly screaming match doesn't mean she wants to climb back into bed with you. I am assuming you guys broke up for a reason after all. You sound selfish and like your intentions are totally in the wrong place. I'm not trying to cuss you out, I'm trying to point out … | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Interesting Office Hallway Interaction (So I thought)This. Even the experienced should be leery about workplace flirting. The cost/benefit/risk never seems to line up. At the very least, keep it outside of work and avoid taking it back in. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 06:01 PM |
| 1 | Ex GF is coming by to drop off stuff - what do I do?Could be just a coincidence, could not be. Do not try too hard. If she wants you, it's totally unnecessary and counterproductive. Showing off the girls you're hanging out with on social media is one thing. Waving other girls right in front of your ex's face is transparent and tryhard and will have the opposite effect. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 05:35 PM |
| 2 | Ex GF is coming by to drop off stuff - what do I do?You're trying to rationalize try-hard behavior. It's natural, but it's not a temptation to get into. If you want to sleep with her again, your best bet is to be cool, give her some space, and some time to see you just as a guy again, rather than that guy she just dumped. And especially don't wave other girls in her face, she'll see right through it like almost everyone else does. In the short run, you need to give up on her or else I can guarantee it's not going to happen. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 05:33 PM |
| 3 | WHY LOOKS MATTER SO MUCHI've had female friends describe me as an 8/10, and enough interactions with other women to know that it wasn't total bullshit. And I can tell you from personal experience that looks do not matter that much. They really don't. They just make things a little easier, the same way being tall or being rich does. You can be good looking and still get shot down regularly, even if your game is better than most. Being good looking is not some silver bullet of seduction. It just isn't. Women respond to g… | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Do Women actually make more sexual advances than men?Some girls send approach signals, some don't. Sounds like you need some more comfort just being social with people. You'd be amazed how many smoking hot women are totally chill if you just go up and put your best foot forward. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Ghosted in Real LifeShe met someone else and didn't know how to tell you/own it. Most likely explanation. I hate ghosting. I think it's chicken-shit and low class. But once a girl has decided to cut ties, you might as well do the same. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 12:19 AM |
| 1 | I have no idea what the heck I am doing when it comes to dating.Read Models by Mark Manson. Best money you'll ever spend. | /r/seduction | 29/04/19 12:17 AM |
| 6 | The Five Stages of InterestHonestly dude, any guess by me of her intentions would be just that: a guess. To some extent it sounds like she was gaming you. She could have been really horny and looking to cheat, she could have been just toying with you, high school girl style. Or she could have just liked you and wants you in orbit in case things don't work out with her boyfriend. Some girls are super flirty and it can be a challenge to keep up with them. That's why those types really respond to a guy who can roll with her … | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 11:39 PM |
| 3 | How to embrace being tall?LMAO! Dude, you're honestly gonna sound a little like "poor little rich boy" in here. Most of the guys in here would kill to be that tall. Hell I'm not even short and I envy you a little. But I do get it. I may not be a giant, but I'm built like a rugby player with big broad shoulders and girls definitely do react to my physical presence in subtle ways. I find the important thing is to get them comfortable touching you, and not to escalate too suddenly, as otherwise you might freak them out more… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 10:22 PM |
| 0 | The Five Stages of InterestYou only think she's at stage 2, but she's really at stage 4-5. It can happen, especially if she already wants to get laid and is just looking for any acceptable guy. If you're hooking up with girls inside of an hour, either you're a legit rockstar or it's fool's mate (actually still the same thing). | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:58 PM |
| 4 | The Five Stages of InterestHonestly dude, that just sounds silly to me. Sure escalation is good, and some girls will play ball in the right context, but nonstop escalation doesn't really work outside of a club and you're screening for same-night-lays. You just turn off a lot of girls that otherwise would be into you if you were just a little more patient. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:54 PM |
| 1 | The Five Stages of InterestIt doesn't have to be slow. Girls still go through these stages, even if it only takes minutes (and sometimes that is all it takes, especially she's buzzed, horny, and thinks you're cute). As for your sitch, well you dropped the ball. A girl's gotta be really into you if you don't text her for a week. She's probably fallen back to Stage 2 because you didn't keep the momentum going and successfully escalate. Re-engage with her in person if you can and get the wheel turning again, then ask her out… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:51 PM |
| 2 | The Five Stages of InterestWhy re-invent the wheel? | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:46 PM |
| 2 | The Five Stages of InterestThanks. I can see the similarity with MM, but I also incorporate some newer stuff like Mark Manson's ideas, and a few others that I've picked up via osmosis. I've just noticed that every sorta relationship I have with a woman follows this pattern where there's visible spikes in her interest level and changes in her approach to you as you move through the stages. Sometimes they skip a few steps or move quickly or get stuck, but those are the way stations. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:46 PM |
| 4 | The Five Stages of InterestFirst, there is no man alive that sleeps with every girl he kisses unless he's saved himself for marriage. Second, I don't even think Donald Trump moves that quickly and he's got a lot going for him that you don't. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 09:44 PM |
| 2 | She came with you, but talks to everyone but you. Is this a shit test for me? Or a test for her that she is failing?Some girls might only go out with a guy if he's taking her someplace cool or exciting or difficult to get into - like say a big concert or some high-class event. A beer garden usually isn't one of those places. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on chasing after men?Well what do you want - to date the guy, or just get him to call you instead of the other way around? The two have totally different requirements and difficulty levels in terms of girl game. The issue with the first is that you're basically in the fuck-zone, the female equivalent of the friend-zone. Trying to change that dynamic can often be just as hard as a guy trying to get out of the friend zone. And if it's the latter, then all that's really needed is to reintroduce some sexual tension and … | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 06:57 PM |
| 2 | It’s better to practice pick up on strangersYep I've dealt with sororities and you'll see this thing in spades. They won't hook up with you, even if they like you, if they want to get with another guy in your house. If a girl in their house is crushing on you, they won't hook up with you out of loyalty to her (or if they're sure they won't get caught). But if you hook up with the alpha girls of the house, they'll all look at you differently. And they definitely all gab about things like your cock size and how you are in bed. When I hooked… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on chasing after men?Depends on what you mean by "chase". If you mean flirt with and seduce a guy, it's not only normal, it's to be encouraged. Love makes the world go around. If you mean chase a little more literally, think of it this way. Do women have any respect or real attraction for a guy that is always available, trying too hard, showering them with attention and affection, or generally thirsty? Even if a girl will hang out with such a guy, they'll usually never feel attracted. Guys are the same way. They'll … | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 06:02 PM |
| 4 | I get really angry and sad when I see hot womenTalk to a professional. It's not her, it's you. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Seducing a faithful married manHow have those questions been answered? It kinda matters. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 05:43 PM |
| 1 | She came with you, but talks to everyone but you. Is this a shit test for me? Or a test for her that she is failing?A beer garden is not exactly the kind place where a girl looks for a guy to just to get her in. It would make more sense if it was a posh party for instance. Either she's just a social butterfly, or she's looking for you for step up and hold her attention, or both. Sounds like you're under-gaming her or she's socially clueless, likely the first. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 05:41 PM |
| 3 | Seducing a faithful married manJust because you could, doesn't mean you should. It's certainly not impossible, but it should beg the question of why would he consider it worth the risk, and the cost of living with it. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 05:37 PM |
| 6 | FINALLY lost virginity at 23. Have some questionsShe'll call. Quit jerking off and lead this chick, don't let her lead you. Girls like this have trouble being vulnerable (you can tell by the tough assertive exterior they put up), their desire to be that way often comes out sarcastically - that's what that was about. If she doesn't call after a week or so, she's probably feeling insecure/hurt. Then I'd go over and feel things out. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 05:33 PM |
| 2 | Why a girl won't make eye contact on a date?You're missing the point. You can touch her right away, if she's vibing the right way. What you're missing is that you need to get her chasing, and you do that through qualifying, screening, and teasing. Then when you touch her, it's congruent - she's earned it by working for your attention. | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 03:59 PM |
| 3 | Why a girl won't make eye contact on a date?Either they're shy, not interested enough, or you're moving too fast. Either way, the answer is likely the same - you're not attracting them in the right way. Girls need to feel like they're earning your interest, and you're not just giving it to them. That's why qualifying, screening, and teasing is so important. Girls want to feel invested in an interaction, which means you gotta let them work a little and prove themselves - to you and to themselves. Then once they do, you can reward them with… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 03:37 PM |
| 3 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?Thanks for the in depth post, a lot to take away there. Yeah, she increased my speed so I thought that was a pretty cute thing to do, what's odd is prior to that happening, I thought the interaction was ok, but nothing amazing(although she was pretty talkative and would laugh so I guess it was fine). Ever consider that this girl thinks you're hot, has been checking you out for a while, and finds the simple fact that you approached and chatted her up rewarding? She's not crazy, you are into her! … | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 03:27 PM |
| 9 | It’s better to practice pick up on strangersYep, the two sucker's bets for newbie/intermediate guys are hitting on girls in your social circle, and trying to date friends. There's two reasons why the first is a problem. The first is that girls talk. If you go after one of them and totally make a botch of it, guaranteed the others will hear about it and it lowers your value and status within the group. The second reason why gaming your social circle is dangerous is because there's often complex social forces underneath everything. Everyone… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 03:10 PM |
| 17 | Did a Girl at the Gym Show Me Interest or am I looking too much into this?She's interested, the question is how much. The dead giveaway is the little tease she gives you as she's leaving (I'm assuming she was increasing the speed on your treadmill). She wanted to leave an impression ;) The way you avoid fucking this is up is by not reading her interest for more than what it was, and taking note of her little tease. One of these days, I'm gonna write up a post on the stages of a girl's interest level, there's roughly 4-5. Because girls do go through stages, sometimes s… | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 02:46 PM |
| 2 | Do some girls just have "flirty" personalities?I think an important thing to remember is that female friends of a guy are usually much more comfortable touching him than they would just some random guy (especially if they're attracted to him, consciously or not). So with that in mind, she might be feeling you, but there's no intention behind it yet. She's probably just feeling you out/teasing. So it's important that you don't charge at her, guns blazing, regardless of what your intentions are OP. What I would do in your situation is try and … | /r/seduction | 28/04/19 01:48 PM |
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