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Yep. I guess fish need bicycles after all.
/r/MensRights30/03/16 02:00 PM
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Alimony Reform Bills Trample Women's Privilege Fixed.
/r/MensRights08/03/16 04:05 PM
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"The fact is if you want it and ask the court for it, most likely you're going to get it." You have NO concept of how this really works. You're just talking out your ass. If a father "asks" for more time it is NOT just granted. If mom agrees (which is close to never) things will be smooth. Otherwise, it costs tens of thousands of dollars for attorneys and case workers to fight it out in court. If mom is not compromised, a father's chance to get anything above every-other-weekend is remote at any…
/r/MensRights04/03/16 03:36 PM
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First off please link your research if you could. The only "research" I'm aware of deals with primary, not shared (50/50) custody. You're forgetting that men going through divorce have lawyers. Are you trying to tell me that all of these lawyers are incompetent? I can assure you they are not. Men are routinely counseled by professional lawyers (that doesn't include you btw) to NOT seek 50/50, or any other custodial arrangement beyond the standard every-other-weekend because they can't afford it …
/r/MensRights03/03/16 08:01 PM
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So you're just full of shit then. Thanks for your contribution!
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:58 PM
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You're a divorce lawyer, right?
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:39 PM
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So-called "child" support should be rare to completely abolished. The truth is it's completely unnecessary. 50/50 shared parenting with no "child" support works. Otherwise simply give custody to the parent who can actually afford to raise the child. Problem solved. "Child" support isn't for children folks. It has always been meant to subsidize a woman's lifestyle. It's just husband support or alimony with a different name.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:03 PM
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I wish I could say otherwise, but you're completely fucked. The only thing I can tell you is get a vasectomy and NEVER, under any circumstance, get married. This will at least help you avoid getting fucked over again at some point. Sorry.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:58 PM
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It IS true that most men don't ask for it. That's because they usually can't win even if they had the money to fight (which most don't). Remember that it will cost a father many tens of thousands of dollars to fight this battle. It's not that fathers don't want the time, they just can't afford what is often a losing battle from the start. Men typically only fight for anything other than standard non-custodial time when mom is compromised in some way (drugs for example). Even then their chances a…
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:52 PM
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"I wish I lived in a culture that valued parents and children enough to provide ways to do right by our children while remaining employable at a level commensurate with our abilities." Seriously, what does this even mean?
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:45 PM
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"50/50" You're either your village's idiot, a feminist troll, or delusional. Not sure which. edit: You could be a divorce lawyer, too.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:41 PM
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"He needs to divorce her at that time." That'll show her! Then she gets the kid, the house, the good car, most of the marital assets, alimony, and "child" support. He gets to live in his parents' basement with ridiculous support obligations for 18 years and every other weekend with his kids. You're a fucking genius! Why didn't I think of that.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:39 PM
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One of the biggest myths around is the one that men are agreeing with mom that she should stay at home. It rarely happens this way. This is usually done through mom's ultimatum. My wife said if you don't like it, I'll take (our daughter) and you can leave. I shut up after that. That's how "agreeing" usually works in these instances.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:35 PM
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You have NO idea what you're talking about. Nothing in this thread you're saying remotely reflects reality. My brother spent $75,000 in his and her legal fees trying to get something better than every other weekend with his kids. Not only did he get the standard non-custodial arrangement anyway, the judge chided him for wasting the courts time when it was all over. He was counseled by both his attorney and counselor to not go forward with trying to get 50/50. They told him because he was a man h…
/r/MensRights03/03/16 04:32 PM
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"... opponents say it would harm women who give up careers to be stay-at-home mothers." Easily solved - don't stay at home.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 06:16 PM
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Seriously, you'll be over her the moment you bang your next woman.
/r/MGTOW02/03/16 05:40 PM
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We haven't allowed anything. Women set out to control men in our relationships through government and they won. It's testament to the power of greed, numbers, and sticking together.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 04:54 PM
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"I'll never understand the mentality that goes on in divorce courts." The explicit purpose of modern legal marriage is to transfer income and wealth from men to women. That's it. Nothing else matters. Marriage has nothing to do with God, love, commitment, family, whatever. It's just a money transfer scheme (that is stealing). When you understand the true purpose of marriage these stories make sense. That's not to say that it's right. It is wrong. I'm just saying if you know what marriage is, the…
/r/MensRights01/03/16 09:15 PM
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50,000 men each day are behind bars in American jails and prisons for failure to pay women support. Medieval? Yes, that applies.
/r/MensRights01/03/16 09:10 PM
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NEVER, and I mean NEVER, get married. Only the fools will ignore this message. There was a time when this type of information was hard to come by. Ignorance was common. Not anymore.
/r/MensRights01/03/16 08:16 PM
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Sorry but this is just wrong. So wrong. There are virtually no "fault" divorces anymore. This has been true for 50 years.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:43 PM
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This! This is American "family" court!
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:36 PM
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"Cases like that are why family court judges need to be able to exercise discretion." No. Women just need to get jobs and stop expecting handouts. Pigs ask for handouts.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:12 PM
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Can we please start calling it what it is, temporary parasite support? There's one REALLY simple plan to get these parasites off the backs of men - ladies get jobs! Ladies, you don't have a God-given right to be a princess. Stop pining for handouts.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:10 PM
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"How does this make any sense at all?" Remember that marriage is nothing more than a government mechanism to transfer income and money from husbands to parasites. That's it! It has nothing to do with love, God, and especially not fairness. Wake up guys. I see all over this subreddit boob after boob who wants to get married and have a family. You are the village idiots of the world. Men who give even an ounce of worth to their own life should steer clear of "family" court. You've been warned. If …
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:03 PM
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Big Mother alert. It's chavelah. No chavelah. They just don't give a shit. Of course I've come to expect these types of explanations from you. Men, never trust a fucking a wife or mother, whether she's destroying your life or someone else's. They're fucking parasites and they're always able to puke out some twisted reasoning why you should be her slave.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 03:54 PM
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Yes, it's servitude. That is slavery. Note that all of family court is enforced through court order, not law. As far as I can tell, court orders are completely immune from the constitution. It has been my take for some time that this is the precise reason family "law" is vague and provides judges with essentially completely free reign. 50,000 men a day are in American jails and prisons for failure to pay "support." These are not men who violated any law or committed a crime. They violated a cour…
/r/MensRights10/02/16 03:47 PM
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Then don't give up your career.
/r/MensRights08/02/16 04:36 PM
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50,000 men are in American jails and prisons each day for failure to pay child support and alimony. I'm not sure how many billions of dollars men lose every day through all the various "family" court redistribution schemes. The truth is getting married and having a family often lead to much worse outcomes than committing most forms of crime. This is undeniable. The only rational choice for men is to avoid marriage and family.
/r/MensRights08/02/16 03:53 PM
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"We already aren't making enough children to sustain society for more than a few generations." Who cares? I don't.
/r/MensRights05/02/16 09:09 PM
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Fifty years after "women's liberation" and "I am Woman" women are for all intents and purposes no more willing to provide for themselves as they were then. Women have collectively rejected "a fully equal partnership of the sexes" (see NOW's 1966 Statement of Purpose). Women have instead embraced welfare and privilege at the expense of men and children. Whether we're talking about the feminists of the left, or the traditionalists of the right, women have "boldly" erected an enormous welfare state…
/r/MensRights05/02/16 07:36 PM
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Roosh bag can go fuck himself.
/r/MensRights05/02/16 03:22 PM
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Does it even matter that feminism might be dying? No. About a week ago one of the traditionalist "MRA" honey badgers penned a blog post about how women are using med school as an elite dating service ... and that was OK. The pussy pass knows no bounds. Karen, you were right, this MRA fight can't be won. Hang it up. Spend your time doing PSAs for men to avoid at the very least marriage and family. That would save more men than anything.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 04:50 AM
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Try giving fathers RIGHTS to their children asshole. It's hard to be a father when the court order gives you only every other weekend and a couple hours on Wednesday.
/r/MensRights01/01/16 11:12 PM
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Marriage/Divorce/Family law is in place for women. It was NEVER supposed to make sense or be fair. In fact, it was always meant to be punitive, even ruthless, towards men. Now do you understand?
/r/MensRights25/11/15 09:41 PM
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Just sayin... the "pay gap" has been debunked for at least three decades and the POTUS still brings it up at least a few times a year. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pQ7KXv0o0
/r/MensRights25/11/15 09:29 PM
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I DON'T think men's rights will succeed.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 09:09 PM
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Try to remember that my post was about how most women are NOT on our side. I know you'd deal with that if you could. But you can't. So you're trying to deflect criticism from women and put the blame on some other group. Whatever.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 09:03 PM
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So it took only about an hour until Hitler came up. I'm surprised it took that long. And people think "men's rights" can succeed?
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:59 PM
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There is NOTHING of substance happening. NOTHING. You can't deny that. I could even make the case that recent "Yes means Yes" legislation and the continued defeat of marriage and custody reform across the U.S. are signs that things are getting WORSE. To hell with what people are saying. It doesn't matter.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:51 PM
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If whites were advocating for placing children in the hands of white parents instead of black parents it would just be wrong. But if women advocate for placing children with moms over dads, then it's about "caring," right? You keep on believing whatever you want.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:47 PM
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I'm not at all advocating for trad cons here, but you have to admit that all along they've wanted to strike a balance. They're not the ones who wanted no-fault divorce. They got their asses run over on that one. What about abortion? Run over on that one too. Since when is anti-abortion synonymous with chivalry? At any rate politicians need to get elected to survive. Women vote in much larger numbers and vote on women's privilege issues. That is why we're in this spot in the first place.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:43 PM
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Over and over again what I've seen happen is that legislative "victories" have amounted to nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Remember alimony "reform" in Massachusetts? I really think all male MRAs will become MGTOW advocates at some point. It's simply not rational to believe snowballs can survive in hell.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:36 PM
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Note the ex-husband is paying for his and her lawyers. This happens at least in some U.S. states as well. There is literally nothing stopping ex-wives from filing lawsuit after lawsuit in hopes of getting "support." If he has to fund your lawyer why stop? Yes, this shit happens. It's been happening to my brother. I know.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:31 PM
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I honestly think most men's and father's groups (National Parents Organization comes to mind) would be better off running PSAs for men to avoid marriage and family. Resources being diverted to "education" would be better spent by educating men to avoid marriage and family, rather than trying to convince people men are something other than ATMs and cannon fodder. Just what do you think will happen when your newly minted, re-educated, man-loving woman gets pregnant and has the choice between the i…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:20 PM
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If you don't think MOST women care about maintaining control in issues like reproductive privilege, marital property, "equitable" distribution, alimony, QDROs, child custody, "child" support, affirmative action for women, and generally keeping "ladies first" policies you're delusional. Why do you think things are the way they are? It's not men, or even social conservatives, fighting shared parenting all across the country. And it's NOT feminists either. It's women.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:00 PM
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"... I'm just saying the situation can be rectified by education." You're delusional. The answer is precisely MGTOW. Even if you think I'm wrong, the only rational course of action today is MGTOW. No marriage. No kids. Those two things will protect you as much as possible.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:52 PM
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How is anyone still saying with a straight face that our "family" courts serve the best interest of children? It's a bald-faced lie.
/r/MensRights24/11/15 11:44 PM
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For men today it doesn't even matter. You just have to assume you'll be treated as a second-class citizen. Don't get married. Don't have children. Get a vasectomy. You know, cover your ass as best you can.
/r/MensRights24/11/15 11:38 PM
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Let's all set aside the euphemisms folks. This was not an "adoption." It's called kidnapping. Not only is the mother culpable, but the adoptive parents are as well. What kind of people snatch a baby away from a willing father? These are horrible people. We really need to stop blaming "the system" for these atrocities. Too many mothers, "adoptive" parents, doctors (in the case of circumcision), etc. are hiding behind "the system." They need to be called out. They need to be shamed.
/r/MensRights23/11/15 05:29 PM
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Thanks Pierce. I've noticed the last couple years that the feminist machine has been doubling-down on their lies. The more the sane voices question them, they tell more lies, bigger lies, and do it ever more boldly. This is a perfect example of that. As to the "rape epidemic", as I've said many times, what is amazing is that fundamentally we KNOW that it's not true. Collectively as a nation we don't believe it. How do I know that? Because every fall we send our daughters off to colleges all acro…
/r/MensRights23/11/15 04:46 PM
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Excellent! The only thing I'll quibble with is the idea that it's men with money who shouldn't marry. No man should ever get married. There is NO rational case for a man to get married. The whole point of marriage is to steal from men and give to women. Period.
/r/MensRights20/11/15 09:19 PM
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Let me add that the mental health industry is woefully unable to help men. First, many "therapists" are cut from the same feminist cloth that permeates all of "social services" and academia. As a man who has been in "marriage counseling" I have first-hand knowledge of this. Just giving men their marching orders in line with wife's demands is hardly "counseling." Marriage counseling is often nothing but feminist reeducation. I'm seeing a therapist now. She's not a feminist, but at the beginning s…
/r/MensRights20/11/15 03:42 PM
2

I get tired of articles that minimize what's really happening with regard to alimony. The impact is MUCH greater than what the small percentage of divorces that include alimony might reveal. If alimony isn't awarded that doesn't mean it wasn't taken into consideration. Instead of alimony, the couple may decide on a higher property distribution amount. Instead of paying $50,000 in alimony over 5 years, the couple could decide to tack on $50,000 to the ex-wife's marital property share. More import…
/r/MensRights18/11/15 04:35 PM
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Dear Men, If you didn't already know, the purpose of marriage/divorce is to take money from you and give it to your wife. That's it. There is nothing in marriage for you, unless you're a masochist and don't feel your life to be worth anything. Do NOT get married. This is the most important advice you will ever receive. Carchamp1
/r/MensRights11/11/15 05:41 PM
3

Spectacularly missing the point Skeptical
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:54 PM
2

As a past Pittsburgh Pirates broadcaster, Lanny Frattere, used to say, "there was noooooooooooooooo doubt about it!" Congrats to Cassie Jaye!
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:38 PM
8

Oh, I see. Wife and mom steals the children and financial security, but we're supposed to love her anyway ... for who she is. Go fuck yourself!
/r/MensRights09/11/15 02:43 PM
38

For the last 50 years women have demanded full control of our children and our financial security in so-called "family" court. "Custody" is nothing but a euphemism for kidnapping. "Equitable distribution" a feel-good phrase for stealing. And what have men received in return? Nothing but heartache and empty bank accounts. You have control of our children, ladies. You have control of the fruits of our labor. But you've lost the love and respect of your children and the men you've destroyed. Ladies…
/r/MensRights09/11/15 02:38 PM
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"financial problems" You mean getting taken to the cleaners in so-called "family" court, right? Why not just say that. Divorced men kill themselves at 10 times the rate of divorced women. Maybe someone should look into this. http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/12/993.full
/r/MensRights30/10/15 01:56 PM
2

Not really surprised. More in awe than anything else. It just shows how far we have to go.
/r/MensRights30/10/15 01:44 PM
15

Amazing. Lots of comments deleted using the phrase "This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards." And the article claiming men are terrible people does meet community standards?
/r/MensRights29/10/15 05:44 PM
13

How many men have had their lives destroyed thanks to so-called "family" court over the last 50 years? And no one gives a shit. Trust me, almost no one cares about these young men.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 02:06 AM
4

No. It's because she wants to "stay-at-home", sit on her ass, and watch game shows, while her schmuck of a husband is working. You can still have babies, be a mother, and earn your keep. Women just have no interest in that.
/r/MensRights24/08/15 08:48 PM
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Women do NOT want equality. Women through that idea under the bus many decades ago. If you hear a woman say she wants equality drill down on a couple issues and you'll find she's full of shit. "So you think women should be eligible for the draft?" "So you think fathers should share custody upon divorce?" "Do you believe in the women and children first concept?" Etc...
/r/MensRights24/08/15 08:42 PM
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"... I don't know why anyone would go through it again." Because social convention says that marriage has a people problem. When a man (usually) gets his ass handed to him in divorce, there will be plenty of people out there saying he picked wrong and he got what he deserved. So, it's no wonder when innocent victim after innocent victim searches HIS sole for what HE got wrong and try to right it with the next wife. Of course, the exact opposite is true - people have a marriage problem. It's real…
/r/MensRights24/08/15 08:31 PM
1

You don't have to marry her to spend time with her. This is obvious. Or is it not?
/r/MensRights21/08/15 07:05 PM
1

There are US formulaS you imbecile. I used the plural. tiqr says she knows the fucking formulas but is asking for them anyway. You're an idiot.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 12:09 AM
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Abolish marriage, husband assistance, "marital" property, boyfriend assistance, "child" support, QDROs, public welfare, etc. and you'll see women flooding into tech and other careers that enable people to pay there own way through life. Many, too many, women are on some type of man support. That is why we have a tech gap, income gap, etc. End of debate.
/r/MensRights27/07/15 10:21 PM
0

Too lazy to look this up for yourself?
/r/MensRights27/07/15 02:06 AM
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In America, "child" support EXPLICITLY accounts for mom's expenses. It's in the formulas. Why should "child" support be apportioned by the parent's income? If you have a child, don't you think each parent should be responsible for 50% of the expenses? Apportioning by parent's income is simply a way to subsidize the lower earning parent's lifestyle, which IS the purpose of "child" support.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 03:23 AM
2

First, let me fix something: Marriage/divorce/family for men is an absurdly raw deal. It's irrational for men to partake in it. The answer is not, of course, to put women into some raw deal of their own. Remember that our entire "family" court system is in place to combat female dependency. In 2015, decades after women overtook men in college degrees, it can't even be argued that this system is needed anymore. The financial support should be abolished and women should simply be asked to earn the…
/r/MensRights24/07/15 03:16 AM
1

But, the whole idea of this post is to make a girl feels better. Can't you make a girl feels better?
/r/MensRights21/07/15 01:16 AM
2

This comment is coming from the person who wrote: "Personally, I think ... everyone should be feminists!" Go fuck yourself tiqr!
/r/MensRights21/07/15 01:14 AM
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Paul, Don't get me wrong, you're right on point here. What I find incredible is that this is the same MAN who has allowed a housewife to ban how many men, I don't know, from A Voice for Marriage dot com??? Can you spell obsequiousness?
/r/MensRights21/07/15 12:39 AM
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The POTUS rattled off the "happy wife, happy life" trope a few months ago folks. The PRESIDENT OF THE FUCKING UNITED STATES, supposedly the most powerful man in the world, is a hapless bystander in our feminist world. Let that sink in.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 11:42 PM
1

Why do you want a certificate? It's a piece of paper. If the government isn't going to regulate your relationship then it's meaningless. I've mentioned over and over that we should abolish CIVIL (GOVERNMENT) marriage. I have never suggested that people shouldn't be able to get married in a religious, or other, ceremony. I have no authority to tell two people they shouldn't get married nor would I ever do so. Not sure why you're having such a hard time with this.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 08:03 PM
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Things are the way they are precisely because the gender that represents 55% of the voting bloc wants it this way. They will NOT give up the perks they've set up for themselves in so-called "family" court. Why would they? The Tender Years Doctrine is still in force today for all practical purposes. If you don't see this open up your eyes. Gender-neutral legal language has been in force for 50 years, but that hasn't changed a thing. We call it "family" court, but it's really "woman's" court. We c…
/r/MensRights17/07/15 06:32 PM
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The best solution to men's issues in separations is to improve the existing law, ... You're dreaming if you think that's going to happen. Men's groups have been fighting alimony and such since civil marriage was hatched. We have had some "reforms" over the years, but it all amounts to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Like the Titanic, civil marriage will sink for good at some point. It's just a matter of time. It turns out most people really don't want to be ball-and-chained to someon…
/r/MensRights17/07/15 06:03 PM
1

That's fine. Use joint financial accounts. You don't need government recognized marriage for this. You can do this now.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 05:52 PM
1

If government isn't regulating your relationship then what would government's role be? To keep your names in a database? For what? Remember that MANY millions of couples, even long-term ones, already live together outside of marriage just fine.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 05:07 PM
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There's not even a need for government involvement in "private" marriage. "Without marriage, every aspect of a couple's relationship would have to be contractually worked out from scratch in advance." So what? Millions of non-married couples do this now. "But without licenses or registration for marriages, many things, including establishing paternity, would get really messy." How laughable. Here's an idea - how about we let dad be dad. How messy is that really?
/r/MensRights17/07/15 05:03 PM
0

Why don't you take your dunce cap off? Please read this very slowly so you understand. I'm not advocating that you can't spend the rest of your life with your sweetheart. You can do whatever you want. I don't care. I'm just saying the government has no business regulating your relationship. Civil marriage should be abolished. Is this really that hard to understand?
/r/MensRights17/07/15 04:44 PM
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Where did I say you couldn't throw a big party and celebrate your relationship? (crickets...) Nowhere. Marriage and divorce are FOR women. The reason we have civil marriage in the first place is to benefit women. There was never and never will be a reason to have government involved in our relationships otherwise. If you want to have a lifetime partner, just do it. You don't need the government's permission.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 04:32 PM
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"Then it's just any other relationship you got invested in which didn't work out,..." Right. You don't need the government for this. In fact MANY couples are living like this now. We simply don't need government marriage. It should be abolished.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 04:10 PM
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Beware women selling marriage to men.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 02:43 AM
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Who the fuck are you to say what this sub is about? I'll campaign about whatever I want, most of all about abolishing marriage.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 02:41 AM
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They might as well. They're fucked. Too late for them.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 02:31 AM
1

Not interested in "reform." Only interested in abolishing civil marriage and starting over on child custody matters. Right now, the only rational option for men is to avoid marriage and family altogether. The "reform" minded have their hearts in the right place, but are hopelessly out-of-touch with both the deeply entrenched problems at hand, as well as the needed solutions.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 06:49 PM
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This is chavelah guys. SHE thinks marriage is great.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 06:15 PM
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First, I'm not here for you Pierce, nor do I give a shit about convincing you of anything. Believe me, I have no ideas about reaching the asshats still preaching marriage, let alone the absurd concept of waiting to have sex until marriage. You're a lost cause. What I don't want is for young men to read your traditionalist, marriage promotion garbage and think it's in any way rational thought. Talk about doing a disservice to the men on r/mensrights. You are the problem. As for why marriage has b…
/r/MensRights16/07/15 05:42 PM
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"... time-honored rituals of courtship and delayed gratification" Pierce is promoting marriage to men on his website and here on r/mensrights. Of course he is. It's disgraceful and I, for one, will not let it go unnoticed. Marriage and family promotion to men needs to be called out. I don't care who is doing it. edit: The "delayed gratification" part is clearly Pierce's belief in sex only in marriage. If that's not promoting marriage to men I don't know what is.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 04:59 PM
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The blood, tears, and ruined lives of countless men are on your hands. There's no excuse for your outdated "opinion" at this point. The "hook-up" culture is a RESPONSE by men to the ruinous "family" court policies you're promoting. All of us here on r/mensrights should be celebrating, not denouncing, the men who choose the lifestyle that affords them the freedom everyone deserves.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 04:55 PM
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In my state you're the defendant. "Respondent" is a euphemism for defendant. See how that works?
/r/MensRights16/07/15 04:49 PM
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"... the new consent app strikes me as a barometer of a sad hook-up culture where drunken barnyard rutting has displaced the staid, time-honored rituals of courtship and delayed gratification. " Fuck that shit Pierce. What's a guy to do? Honorably court his girl, buy a diamond ring, stoop down on one knee and grovel for her lifetime companionship, work his ass of while she's at home with the kids, and then have it all blow up in so-called "family" court? Pierce, you're a complete fucking idiot i…
/r/MensRights16/07/15 03:37 PM
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Guys, when she files for divorce you are the DEFENDANT. Yes, getting married allows the state into your life and whenever she decides she wants your money and not you, you become the defendant! Another thing, the ass raping you'll receive in so-called "family" court will be far worse than what you'd receive for most actual crimes. I can't say it enough - DO NOT GET MARRIED under any circumstance. Avoid children at ALL costs!
/r/MensRights16/07/15 03:25 PM
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Not only do I suggest walking away from any attempt at "family" court "reform", I also suggest walking away from the "land of the free" (hahahahahahahahahahahaha...) entirely and moving to a different fucking country.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 03:34 PM
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You're delusional. The ONLY path for men is to avoid marriage and family at all costs. "Reform" that makes marriage and family palatable for men is impossible, at least in our lifetime. Women simply won't let it happen. They control voting and the getting is just too good to give up.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 02:20 PM
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Family law has been gender neutral for 50 years and it hasn't meant a thing. Men get fucked and women get the children and the $. You're completely delusional if you think that's going to be "reformed."
/r/MensRights15/07/15 02:16 PM
1

It never fails that some ball-and-chain or ball-and-chain-wannabe shows up here selling marriage and family to men. Unbelievable. How low can you possibly stoop?
/r/MensRights15/07/15 02:12 PM
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You need to find a lawyer. Ask around for pro bono attorneys. Don't leave any stone unturned. Let this post be a warning to all men to avoid children at all costs. Trust me, you don't want to be mom's slave.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 04:44 AM
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Marriage is a shit show. Gays and lesbians had a fucking automatic get-out-of-marriage-free card and they revoked it. What a bunch of fucking idiots. "Gay marriage" has to be the most misguided movement of all time.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 04:28 AM
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The scary thing about feminism is that despite its utterly bankrupt set of "issues" it continues on unabated. I mean the "pay gap" as a function of gender discrimination has been debunked for at least 3 decades that I know of. And it still has legs! Like you people are busy. They don't have time to research the "pay gap". If a girl says women earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to a man they just believe. Girl = good. This is the wall that "men's rights" needs to climb.
/r/MensRights09/07/15 02:42 AM
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You and wanderer are right, but there's a catch - she can change her mind. That's what happened to me. My wife was all gung ho about career until she popped the kid out. Now I'm stuck taking care of her ass probably for the rest of my life.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 09:04 PM
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Don't overlook the fact that women control the ballot box all across the western world. This is a very steep hill to climb. You don't have to be a raging misogynist to see this. Men have slowly been opting out of marriage for decades now. I think it's possible that the internet could bring about a "tipping point" and send the marriage rate plummeting. That's possible. What I don't see is "family" law changing. Any move toward equality in "family" law would require women to give up an enormous pr…
/r/MensRights21/04/15 09:00 PM
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Whenever you hear a feminist say men should do something for the children, just remember that it's really for the women. I honestly don't expect "family" law to change anytime soon. I'm talking decades, if not a century for this to change meaningfully. All men can do at this point is just refuse marriage and family.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 06:12 PM
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From the comments, a former "family" lawyer Taz Z says: "I just love it when a woman doesn't like the prenup SHE signed. Whether or not it was reviewed by attorneys, this woman is not mentally incapable of understanding the terms in a prenup. She simply doesn't like that he has a lot more money than she expected and now she wants to stick it to him. If she doesn't like getting the $5000 per month as stipulated by the prenup then she can donate it to a charity...LOL. This woman and those like her…
/r/MensRights21/04/15 03:28 PM
2

I think it's more an effective argument against getting married at all.
/r/MensRights18/04/15 04:48 AM
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The author was saying that she was skewered because of the pre-nup.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 02:05 AM
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"All I'm saying is that if you choose to become the sole provider for a family, you're responsible for the outcome of that choice..." Understanding the true legal and financial implications why would anyone sign up for this? No rational person would do this. It makes no sense at all. The only way you sign up for it is that you don't understand the implications. Marriage is a completely bankrupt concept for men, in all senses of the word bankrupt.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 07:38 PM
2

"you don't get to change your mind about it if it becomes inconvenient later on." She divorced him you moron. in fact, the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women. And given the cash and prizes for doing so it's no wonder. And I don't believe that young men have any concept of the fleecing that marriage entails. You act as if the marriage contract is based on some arms length transaction that benefits both parties. It's not. Again, you can make all the arguments you want about the value…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:27 PM
2

Shit. I want to see an Indian strap match. In a cage.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:19 PM
2

I don't even call it risk. It's just a fleecing.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:16 PM
1

cultural conditioning This is very important. Allow me to call it propaganda. When you get a chance sit down and watch a few old movies on TCM, in the days of the censors, and see this in action. It just might blow your mind as it did mine.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:12 PM
2

That's marriage in a nutshell.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:10 PM
2

Often they're not. And for most people who go into a marriage with little or no assets they have no purpose. And pre nups can't cover child custody or support at all. I can't stress enough that unless you're Donald Trump a pre-nup is meaningless, and of limited value in any event.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:09 PM
1

Indentured servitude IS a form of slavery or bondage. I know we popularly think of "slavery" in terms of African chattel slavery, but slavery takes on many forms, all of which have been abolished (except marriage).
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:07 PM
1

I have a very good friend who is gay. His boyfriend was pushing for marriage several years ago. I counseled my friend on it and he decided not to do it. I have to tell you I think "gay marriage" has to be one of the most misguided social movements of all time. Other than war, marriage has probably destroyed more lives than anything else. They don't call it the ball and chain for no reason. I would really think hard about why you're getting married and whether or not it's worth it. (It's not!)
/r/MensRights10/04/15 05:03 PM
2

I'm sorry. I know it's hard for a traditionalist to see this, but I don't see at all that she deserves a penny. He took care of her for 20-some years. Get a job princess. This is how non-married couples work. Why does "wife" give you some special "right" to fleece someone? Can we at least agree that men are better off staying single? I mean, had he been single he'd have all of his money. Is this not the important moral of the story and not some worthless argument about the "value" of a housewife…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 04:28 PM
2

My wife told me she was staying at home and if I didn't like it she would take our daughter and I could leave. The truth is women are making the decision to stay at home and they should burden the responsibility to take care of themselves should the relationship go south.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 02:16 AM
3

You're so right. I've found the idea that husbands and wives are jointly deciding on her staying home is largely a myth.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 02:15 AM
4

You're right.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 02:08 AM
14

This might come as a surprise to you, but some of us believe she should get zero. You earn it, you keep it. Otherwise, get a job to make ends meet.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 01:40 AM
7

No. A cynic lacks faith. Being rational is about using logic and reason.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 01:37 AM
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"Am I too much of a cynic?" You're not being a cynic - you're being RATIONAL.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 01:26 AM
11

We call that toilet paper here.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 01:21 AM
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It would be a big mistake to think infidelity has anything to do with this. In most states, "fault" is completely irrelevant in the entire process. Besides, she was fucking around herself. Maybe I should just fix your post: "Proving infidelity hurts men a lot in some states." That I can believe.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 12:14 AM
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You're right. And note that pre-nups, which are supposed to rectify the very problem you mention, are sometimes thrown out. I've been studying marriage (including divorce, child custody, child support) for a long time and I've seen it compared to many things, like business contracts, involuntary servitude, peonage, etc. I've come to the conclusion that, although marriage has similarities to all of those, it is really not exactly like any of them. It is it's own, one-of-a-kind, form of bondage (a…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 12:03 AM
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Well if they taught this stuff, men would stop getting married. That's why they don't teach it in the first place!
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:49 PM
3

"... particularly social conservative/traditionalist women." Yep. "... they're still subtly turning their backs on MGTOW ..." Not only do I think AVFM has turned their backs on MGTOW, they've turned their backs on men. And it hasn't been subtle. The last time I looked into the comments Paul and Suz were banning men left and right from the site. Whatever. A site that's supposed to be a voice for men that's filled with traditionalist housewives justifying marriage doesn't have a big future.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:47 PM
1

Yah! Anti-feminist - that's what I see in AVFM. This isn't all bad. They started out as men's rights, though, and then clearly moved into the trad con sphere. I was just hoping for more. This is one of those things where the enemy of your enemy is your friend. AVFM still seems useful when bashing feminism.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:41 PM
14

She was literally fucking the pool boy. What did he do wrong? Get married.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:29 PM
27

He was basically convicted of being stupid enough to get married. Most crimes carry much less in penalties than what he got for saying "I do."
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:28 PM
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Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I like to think most men getting married just don't understand the implications of what they're doing. I know I didn't. Nobody laid the implications out for me, like you've done here, when I was 25 and horrifyingly stupid.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 11:26 PM
5

Sorry this happened. I remember you. Know that when men share their stories as you have, they're helping save the next generation from such an awful circumstance. You're making a difference just by sharing.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:49 PM
2

Marriage is crazy.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:46 PM
5

No, it's not. Here's Carchamp's awesome alimony legislation: Abolish it! Time to get jobs ladies. Had enough of "I am woman, here me ask the judge to raid your life savings and paycheck."
/r/MensRights09/04/15 05:50 PM
2

Blah, blah, blah... I am woman, hear me roar, I can't possibly be responsible for my own choices, surely a man is to blame, if necessary please shoot him in the back.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 11:45 PM
1

Yep. You've hit the nail on the head chavelah.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 11:43 PM
7

Ah yes, as long as "it's for the children" anything will do.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 11:21 PM
1

"... some 10-15 percent of men stay happy with their marriage ..." Way to sell it. And btw I doubt it's that high.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 08:15 PM
1

You're a complete idiot. Believe me, I know. I was once just like you.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 08:13 PM
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When you come onto r/mensrights and blather on like a schoolboy about marriage expect some push back. You ARE naive. You're a menace to young men everywhere.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 03:05 AM
9

You mean "victims" or alleged victims.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 12:05 AM
6

This is all incredibly naïve. Even if you feel that way about someone, people change. You'll change. She'll change. That you can maintain a "deep connection" with someone for a lifetime is highly doubtful. That is unless you're, say, 85. Then you have a chance.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 12:03 AM
4

You give feminism too much credit. Marriage is, and always has been a farce. Marriage never had a chance. This whole argument reminds me of how Ronald Reagan apparently defeated communism. Communism was a failed idea from the outset and had no chance of surviving. There's a difference between correlation and causation.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:57 PM
3

That sounds equally shitty. It's the common denominator, marriage, that's the problem.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:47 PM
2

This reminds me of Larry Fortensky. If you're not familiar with him click the link. You're welcome! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Fortensky
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:42 PM
3

"... the bias is terrible in this article ..." What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:38 PM
5

"... If you actually love someone, and you're both happy and can't stand being away from each other, marriage is a logical next step...." No it's not. Marriage isn't "logical" or, let me use a different word, rational, for men at all. What you're saying basically is that "puppy love" is a great reason to be married. This is in the same post that you urge caution and slowness. And to not get married for stupid reasons.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 11:36 PM
2

As to your edit, I think you're fantastically missing this. You're not even close. Marriage IS a mess. Marriage doesn't have a people problem. People have a marriage problem. It just doesn't work. No one, man or woman, is meant to be enslaved into a personal relationship. Any honest assessment of "marriage" will see it for the failure it is.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 07:08 PM
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we have to wonder if these women are just framing their ambiguous or non existent relationship status as a choice rather than circumstance. We have a winner here. Great insight. Women aren't being "courted" anymore. And when I say "courted" I mean men aren't falling all over themselves grovelingly promising lifetime devotion and checks to women for the privilege of being shit upon. Men are simply preferring to culture looser, non-life-ruining attachments with women.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 07:02 PM
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For crying out loud, many couples manage the home for FREE when both are working full time. The only cost that matters here is daycare. The truth is the modern homemaker is an enormous burden. There isn't enough real work to do in the home to make it worthwhile. Thank modern convenience for that. When you add in the draconian obligations faced by divorced men with housewives, there aren't ANY men in the western world who can afford a housewife.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 05:05 AM
1

Looks like it's there. They probably took it down and then put it back up.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 10:57 PM
4

Well, it depends who you are. If you're a woman the decline of marriage is a problem. Can you imagine all the pretty ladies having to fend for themselves and pay for their own shit? Any societal problem for children can be solved through simply allowing fathers to be involved in their kids' lives. Presto! Alas, however, the "child" support is propping too many women up, so don't hold your breath on anything being done for the children.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 06:29 PM
3

The whole thing went downhill really quickly for me. It's all just traditionalist dogma.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 06:25 PM
1

Well, if she didn't earn it, she _______ it. And you really need to think about the scenarios in which this woman could have possibly "earned" $3 million doing anything. The truth is marriage is just a mechanism that takes money from men and hands it to women. This is the explicit purpose of legal marriage, after all. She didn't do anything for the $3 million. In fact, to the extent she worked and made her own way over the last three years, her take would be less. Had Dufner hired a financial ad…
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:42 PM
1

I can assure you that most men have no concept of 1. how "marital" assets are distributed, how alimony works, nor how custody and so-called "child" support work, and 2. that their wives can unilaterally steal their share whenever they want. Men overwhelmingly don't understand the marriage deal. The reality is no sane, rational person would sign up for such an absurdly bad deal. "Unwillingly coerced", perhaps not. Why, then? Explanation? I saw a great quote the other day: "We don’t see things as …
/r/MensRights02/04/15 05:31 AM
1

Marital property, community property, equitable distribution are all euphemisms for legalized stealing. Believe otherwise if you want.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:30 AM
1

I don't know what you mean. There are a bunch of guys out there drugging their girlfriends and wives and forcing them to have sex? And getting away with it? And they should be able to get away with it? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to get at.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:22 PM
3

First, I doubt the judge will hold you in contempt over this. For crying out loud if they throw you in jail over something so stupid the next month will REALLY be late, since you won't be working. If the court order says monthly I don't see any legal basis for harassing you over this. Keep in mind though "family" court judges harass men all the time for nothing. PS I'm not a lawyer
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:13 PM
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I think it's legal because it was fairly common practice and has roots in religion. You simply have NO idea what you're talking about. You're ignorant about this topic. Look up Dr. Kellogg and get informed.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:06 PM
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Kids die or have irreversible damage caused by circumcision even today. We know the foreskin is there for a reason. Those who have had it removed are harmed even if they can't realize what they lost. Infants can't provide consent for this horribly painful, dangerous, and entirely UNNECESSARY "procedure". Infant circumcision DOES have victims. A lot of them. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:04 PM
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I honestly don't "feel" butchered. I simply have no way of knowing what sex would feel like with my foreskin. Infants become permanently scarred to the point of dysfunction and even die from this butchering, so my personal experience is simply irrelevant.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 03:55 PM
3

She stole $3 million from him. You really missed that? He "gets" to keep the houses? Well, he fucking earned them. Should he not get anything?
/r/MensRights01/04/15 01:23 PM
1

having a fulltime caregiver like a stay at home parent is obviously a great advantage for any child, ... Says whom? There is no valid study that comes to this conclusion. I personally doubt your assertion.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 01:52 AM
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In the context of marriage, divorce, fearing the loss of your children, being taken to the cleaners, this is NOT consent by any stretch of the imagination. Would he be forced to take Viagra and forced to have sex with her in a normal, non-coerced situation? Of course not. This is rape - period. This is but one reason civil marriage should be abolished. It's an abomination.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 01:45 AM
0

I don't think any "normal" person would consider this "consent", especially in the context of marriage/family law.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 10:21 PM
2

This is not consent. He's doing it because he has to. In case you haven't heard divorce really sucks for men. I've been saying for many years that Viagra is a rape drug. This is but one example. I'm telling you that these guys who can't get it up, can't get it up for the wives. It's not a physical problem usually. These guys are just trying to avoid divorce. edit: Just in case you're not sure where I'm going with this, you are fantastically off base. "He is consenting to it, but obviously he doe…
/r/MensRights31/03/15 10:19 PM
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Yep. Think you nailed it. I really didn't think he was capable of fucking this up, but I was wrong. And the biggest problem is I don't think he can put the genie back in the bottle, even if he wants to.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 05:11 PM
1

I saw the fundraiser article, but didn't read it. I'll have to do that. Suz banned me all by herself. How Paul could let this get so out of hand is beyond me.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 01:34 AM
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I think you're having difficulty understanding the difference between marriage and a relationship. Marriage, as an institution, our de-facto cultural standard, is a complete failure. Marriage should be abolished as a government institution. Relationships, inside or outside of marriage, can succeed or fail. Your relationship has nothing to do with the disaster that is civil marriage.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 01:27 AM
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"Arbitrary" grading system? I think most people know a failure when they see it. How wrapped up into marriage must you be to not see this disaster for what it is? Need I bring up the murdered spouses/ex-spouses? What about the suicides? The resentment? The abuse? Are you kidding me?
/r/MensRights30/03/15 08:41 PM
3

I'm sure everyone here woke up today hoping you'd lecture them.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:57 PM
5

You can go fuck yourself now. What are you waiting for?
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:39 PM
1

It's their choice. I never said it wasn't. Everyone is free to make horrible decisions in life.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:37 PM
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Modern marriage = F, as in flunk. Any elementary school kid will tell you that 50% is an F. And that percentage doesn't even begin to tell the whole story. Marriage failure is probably more like 70 or 80%. Many victims just can't escape.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:23 PM
5

You're over-staying your welcome.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:20 PM
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I don't think they would give a shit unless it turned into billable hours. Of course they wouldn't. So-called "family" law is for 1. wives/mothers (women), 2. Judges, lawyers, and other friends of the court. I'm not saying "family" court has somehow accidently devolved into this. Precise steps have been taken over the last hundred years to get us here. "Family" court has NEVER been about families or children. Once one understands this, outcomes like yours make sense. The truth is, within this sy…
/r/MensRights30/03/15 06:19 PM
1

There REALLY are times in life when you should listen and take head to fear. Like when you're entering into a bad deal. There is nothing redeeming in signing up for a crap deal. It just makes you stupid.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:56 PM
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"... 2040, 40% will have ended in divorce." 40%? That's not very good either. You make it sound like marriage isn't the complete failure it so obviously is. I actually do expect the divorce rate to fall, as well. Of the fewer and fewer marriages as time goes by, a much higher percentage will be religion-based. These will necessarily survive more often ... because who really wants to end up in hell? Secular marriage will go away.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:39 PM
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See ya! Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:32 PM
1

"... but if you choose from a place off fear you're choosing from a place of weakness not strength." Any man who doesn't have a healthy fear of marriage and family is an imbecile. He is his village's idiot. I'm afraid you've bought into every "man-up" shaming tactic ever devised.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:29 PM
1

Doing something that is so opposed to your own self-interest actually devalues you as a person. It's dehumanizing. What you're talking about here is male disposability, which dominates our culture. It's so normalized and long-running you think it's noble. How quaint.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:03 PM
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Yah. It'll be hard for me to not overuse it.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 04:55 PM
1

I've researched marriage much more than you. You're mistaking traditionalist dogma and wet dreams for truth. I've already been through the grinder. I could have used the proper level of fear 25 years ago. Unfortunately I was surrounded by a bunch of liars, know-nothings, and other feckless men like you. Avoiding marriage and family is the rational, common sense plan for men.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 04:25 PM
1

marriage hasn't changed much as an institution. This is a completely absurd assertion. You have no idea what you're talking about. "The reality is that children, family, lineage are as important now as it was way back when. " Who cares? What are you talking about. Why should any man care about this? Fuck the children! Fuck marriage! Get it?
/r/MensRights30/03/15 04:05 PM
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I've noticed a couple recent articles where "A Voice for Marriage" is trying to rehab itself. This is a part of that effort. Have Paul and Suz McCarley given up on desperately trying to ban every single anti-marriage guy on the internet? We'll see. "A voice for men" that is really for married housewives will ultimately fall flat. That can't be lost on Paul.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:48 PM
2

Who cares?
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:37 PM
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It means that when mom is strung out on drugs, or some other type of liability to her children, she STILL wins custody 45% of the time. Beware ALL fucking piece of shit "family" law lawyers. If he's writing on r/mensrights he's either outright lying or completely misrepresenting the facts (as is the case here).
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:31 PM
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Up to 97 upvotes thanks to me chavelah. I know you mean well, but until you've had your "best friend" threaten to take your children from you and drive you into the poorhouse you'll never understand. Of course, you, as a woman, will never know what that feels like. You have less important things to worry about, like imaginary bouts of "misogyny" from men who dare tell the truth about your precious marriage. This is the ENORMOUS problem with female MRAs who seem to mostly be fucking married. You …
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:27 PM
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I second that. And I've read a ton of them. It's really hard to have both the grasp of the issues at hand and the ability to present it so (seemingly) effortlessly.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:20 PM
6

"I'm not following you here." No shit.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:59 PM
6

As if marriage in some bronze-age culture has something to do with legal marriage and its ramifications today.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:53 PM
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In many U.S. states men can lose well over half their shit. Just sayin...
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:41 PM
2

The reality is marriage is a skill, No, it's not. Married is a legal status that provides a woman with a man's money.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:37 PM
1

There is one long-term study that I'm aware of that is truly tracking the divorce rate. It shows that at a minimum 45% of all FIRST marriages will end in divorce. The "50%" divorce rate is likely conservative. Wherever the details might come out, legal marriage has shown itself to be a complete failure under even the lightest scrutiny. "Keep in mind two people with college degrees have a 30% divorce rate." That's because men can't get out of these marriages. To judge the success of "marriage" on…
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:32 PM
2

Not really a war so much as a slaughter. And they weren't hiding it. You just didn't recognize what was going on. Been there myself.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 05:42 PM
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One thing you have to remember is that financial/legal incentives and barriers are critical in understanding marriage outcomes. For example, western child custody/support systems that are culturally skewed in favor of mothers enables (that is, provides the necessary incentive for) them to divorce. They keep the kids and collect "child" support, in addition to usually keeping the lion's share of the marital assets, and collecting alimony thanks to divorce rules. On the flip side, fathers of young…
/r/MensRights28/03/15 05:20 PM
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If you're interested in learning more about divorce, check out the "These Boots are Made for Walking" study. This study's main finding is that women initiate 70% of divorce and that they overwhelmingly do so because they get the $ and children in the divorce. The study doesn't really show that women are holding out until the children leave. They are leaving when the children are young.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 02:38 AM
1

Most people think marital assets are always divided 50/50 upon divorce. That is only true in community property states. Other states have what is called "equitable distribution". What does this mean? Despite the name, it means that a higher percentage of the marital assets go to the lower or non earner. The wider the disparity of income, the more lopsided the distribution. How common is this? Well, in "equitable distribution" states this happens in 100% of divorces. Note that alimony and "child"…
/r/MensRights28/03/15 02:32 AM
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If she has the kid and you're paying child support, limited to every-other-weekend Disneyland "parenting", you don't have a kid. That's her kid. Not only would I not want that for dad, I wouldn't want it for said kid either. Just sayin...
/r/MensRights27/03/15 02:22 AM
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"Mr. Lance refuses to follow the basic rules of society,...” Remember guys that when marriage destroys you and you lose your kids that it's all just "the basic rules of society". My God this is horrible.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 11:17 PM
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Have children You lost me here. There is NO way in hell I would ever suggest to a young man having children is a viable option for him. Maybe, have children in some non-feminist country. I could go along with that.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 11:07 PM
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80% is actually very common in many U.S. states for housewives. My wife has a job and my attorney told me to expect a 60 (her)/40 (me) split should we divorce (plus alimony, plus "child" support). If she didn't work 80% is certainly not out of the question. This is all very real. This shit happens all the time to regular guys, but we just don't hear about it. Just check out the suicide rate for married and divorced men compared to women. Why do you think that's happening?
/r/MensRights26/03/15 09:51 PM
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I want to marry her because she makes me so happy. You don't have to get married for the happiness to continue. The getting married part only allows her to steal your money and life. You are the one acting like a (love-struck) teenager. Grow up and see the world for what it is. I am here trying to help you. No one bothered to do this for me. I don't expect you to want to hear it or like it. Doesn't matter. I'll keep doing what I'm doing.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 09:45 PM
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I was married to an engineer, too. She's been a welfare case though for the last 15 years. "And as women become more and more prevalent in upper management/senior roles in companies this trend will continue." This hasn't happened and it won't as long as marriage and family law exist in the current form. Family law welfare is simply breeding too much female dependency. The truth is women have been out-earning men in college degrees for 30 years. What you're suggesting should have already happened…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 02:07 PM
1

Marriage/divorce horror IS the norm, for men that is. You really need to get your head out of your ass. Stop listening to feminist/traditionalist talking points about how great marriage is. It's all a lie. You're in the wrong place. You really need to find traditionalist sites like Elam's "A Voice for Marriage", Dalrock, JudgyBitch, etc. You're completely out of touch with men's and father's advocacy.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 01:58 PM
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"Nobody really knows why this (high male suicide rate) is happening –" The three men I knew who committed suicide all did so in the throws of divorce. I think I know what is going on. I think a lot of people know what's going on. They just don't care.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 05:11 AM
2

Getting to be? Legal marriage has been around for the last century + and has always been a raw deal for men. But here we are in 2015 debating it.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 05:05 AM
4

And what, exactly, would you do about it?
/r/MensRights25/03/15 05:00 AM
5

Rich women marry richer men. See how this works?
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:59 AM
0

Huh? If she marries you it's on your terms? Oh no. If she marrys you it is on HER terms. I love hearing from guys who think they're going to wear the pants in the family. What a dolt. She's got the trousers dumb ass - the police, the courts, the judges, the friends of the court, she's got the whole fucking state on her side and mikesteane thinks he's gonna where the fucking pants. You're an idiot.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:53 AM
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Honestly, you are such a dumb ass. Marriage is NOT about love dumb ass. Marriage is about her and the lawyers getting your money. Understand? If not, you're fucked. I can forgive ignorance when it comes to all this. But to willfully ignore what is for many men a really good reason to blow their fucking brains out is quite unbelievable. You sir are a dumb ass.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:47 AM
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You get it. I've been hanging out here on r/mr for over 5 years and I can tell you it's the rare man who really understands all this. They think they can pick the right girl. They don't believe the horror stories. They think it's always "his" fault. Most men I think are just ignorant of the consequences.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:43 AM

She'll almost surely lose that drive and you'll end up taking care of her. Think about this, women have been outnumbering men in college degrees, even advanced college degrees, for 30 years, but where are they now? They're "staying at home". Even the most highly educated, highly prolific college women tend to become loosely attached to the workforce, or drop out altogether. There is no "glass ceiling". Married women just tend to be career dropouts. Just don't marry her. You've been warned. edit:…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:32 AM
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"Marry a career minded woman with morals and motivation and you'll be fine." How foolish. That was my wife. She birthed the first kid, quit her career (she "changed her mind"), and has been living off me ever since. So much for your sage advice dumb ass.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:26 AM
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Yep. You're so right. Even with the internet now there's an incredible amount of ignorance out there. I DO think men are wising up, albeit veeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyy sloooooooooooooooooooooooowly. I don't think the marriage rate will ever go to zero, but it's getting closer.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:20 AM
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The whole point of men's rights is to get men to be treated as human beings, not have women treated as men. This is an atrocious miscarriage of "justice".
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:22 PM
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This is the best summary I've seen on this issue. Bravo! My therapist, a recently divorced mom, has all of these talking points down pat. We try not to get into gender issues - it gets a bit contentious.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:51 PM
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Honestly, this is horrible. Karen's musings on the economy and our monetary system? Really? Stardusk, I can't imagine a woman could bore you as much as you bore everyone else. A housewife who believes in marriage and traditionalism? Really??? What a shocking revelation! Had to shut it down.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:25 PM
1

50 years after the dawn of "women's liberation", the ladies still want to be treated like a princess. The truth is women threw "equality" under the bus 40 years ago and never looked back. And, yes, I mean ladies, not feminists. And, yes, I'm throwing in women like Christina Hoff Sommers, the judgy bitch, and all those other traditionalist ladies. They're just as toxic to men as the feminists.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 02:49 PM
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Overall, very good. Very thorough. Thank you.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:54 AM
2

"My argument is just to be selective." My argument is to simply not get married at all. It's a no-brainer.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 02:02 AM
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If someone took a picture of me and posted it on "Hot Dudes Reading" I would call that a compliment, not degrading and objectifying. Of course I'm not a crazy-as-fuck feminist nut-job, so maybe I'm the one with the problem.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 07:47 PM
1

You're a fool.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 07:19 PM
1

Link doesn't work.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 07:18 PM
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"... if you pick a wife who is a good human being,..." See guys, if you just pick right everything will work out. This is the benevolent slave owner argument. You have no power in the marriage, whatsoever, but if your wife is "nice" maybe she won't take your kids and financially destroy you. Do you see ANY problem with this strategy at all?
/r/MensRights17/03/15 07:13 PM
1

CHS is a feminist you idiot. GWW is a traditionalist you idiot. And your girlfriend ... Seriously? You think she's "different"? Typical man behavior.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 07:07 PM
1

When you find a woman, any woman, who has any interest whatsoever with men's issues, equality, being self-sufficient, whatever, let me know. I've not seen it. I've simply never met a woman like this. This is not an ideological problem; it's a woman problem.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 06:49 PM
1

Oh no, I meant women. I'm not confused about anything. Traditionalist women are just as bad as feminists. We don't have a feminist problem, we have a woman problem. Get your head out of your ass.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 06:36 PM
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Modern, legal marriage IS a utility to serve women. The explicit purpose of marriage is to take a man's earnings/wealth and redistribute it to his wife. That's it.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:41 PM
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Women want Prince Charming who will buy her nice things and take a bullet for her should it come to that. But, invariably, they want to be loved for "who they are." The problem is too many of those Prince Charming guys got their asses handed to them in so-called "family" court. Screw it. Bring on the video games.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:02 PM
2

Women have been lying about the pay gap, rape stats, DV stats, and on and on for decades now. They've built an entire movement around lies. They've done this almost completely without pushback. Think about that for a few minutes.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 04:49 PM
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There's no good reason, whatsoever, for a man to get married. This article says exactly that: "The effect of friendship seems to be the result of living with a romantic partner, rather than the legal status of being married, because it was as strong for people who lived together but weren’t married." Marriage is the part where she steals your money guys. Stay single, stay free.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 04:41 PM
3

Seriously? On r/mensrights?
/r/MensRights17/03/15 04:38 PM
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This myth has been debunked for literally decades. Trust me it will continue.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 03:51 PM
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Pair bonding, Santa Clause, Easter Rabbit, Tooth Fairy ...
/r/MensRights15/03/15 05:24 AM
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Pair bonding, Santa Clause, Easter Rabbit, Tooth Fairy ...
/r/MensRights15/03/15 05:24 AM
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Pair bonding is NOT a natural phenomenon. It's social engineering gone mad.
/r/MensRights15/03/15 03:27 AM
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Hi chavelah. It's been a while. Hope you're doing well. I don't get on here much anymore. My therapist thinks it's bad for me ... and I know she's right. Anyway, every once in a while I see a post worth commenting on and this is one of them. Very good question. I really doubt the legal status of "married" has anything to do with poverty and fucked up kids. I think the evidence from Europe is a window on this. We often get caught up in confusing correlation with causation and this is likely an ex…
/r/MensRights15/03/15 03:18 AM
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Banned
/r/MensRights13/03/15 04:00 PM
1

"Think" so? I know so. Why? Because I wasn't born yesterday. Were you?
/r/MensRights13/03/15 03:28 PM
1

Spending time with your children and having someone else pay your bills is not "labour". It's a privilege.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 03:24 PM
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We are not handing custody over to mothers because they take on more of the domestic workload. They get the kids because they're women, plain and simple.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 05:01 AM
3

Good article, but I doubt very much that having dad do the women's work will inspire their daughters to do more paid work. We know from studies regarding public welfare that dependency is a learned trait. Dependent welfare moms beget more welfare moms. Again, we know this. What I can't understand is why people don't see the link for the average stay-at-homer. Why are young women leaving the workforce so readily, especially after having a child? Well, probably because her mom didn't work. Why are…
/r/MensRights13/03/15 05:00 AM
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This is from a woman in the comments. And people wonder why men don't want to get married. She gets the money. He gets "commitment". What a fucking joke. "There is really only one reason I got married at 43 vs just living with my (now) husband. Financial security... Married to him I can get 1/2 his SS as a spousal benefit, which is about 15% more than mine would be..and should he pass first, I will get his full benefit. I will also get his pension. What he gets is my commitment... Our love is no…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 01:47 AM
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"This is occurring even as in upscale America, marital bonds remain comparatively strong." Marital bonds "remain strong" in upscale America because marriage is so difficult to get out of. Let's start getting serious here. If you're a man and you stand to lose your kids and get taken to the cleaners there's a really good chance you're not going to get divorced. If you introduce shared parenting and take marital welfare away the divorce rate would sky rocket. This scares the piss out of housewives…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 01:35 AM
1

Too funny. The engaged girl, in line for a man's money, hangs out in r/mensrights all day trying to convince us that she's not like that. Incredible.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 10:04 PM
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The safest bet is to not get married at all. Believe me, especially once she pops a kid out she'll be looking to get out of her job immediately. THEN YOU'RE FUCKED.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:53 PM
1

I guess you haven't found "Mr. Right", yet. You know, one of the "nice guys".
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:50 PM
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Keep sucking up to girls purple. You'll being paying for someone's dinner soon if you keep this up.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:46 PM
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Yah, "universal celibacy". That's it.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:43 PM
1

There is no fucking way I'm responding to this wall of text, other than to point out the obvious that laws are the way they are because women want them that way.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:34 PM
0

50 years after "women's lib" women are allowed to have jobs, they just don't want them. Why work when you can live off a man?
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:27 PM
0

I don't think every woman needs me, but I sure think they all want into my wallet. Just look at history. The evidence is overwhelming.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:23 PM
0

"I don't need carchamp1 to pay for my shit." That's seriously ironic and funny as shit. That's exactly what my college-girl wife used to say. Guess what? Yah, she's living off me.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:15 PM
-3

What's embarrassing is seeing you trip all over yourself trying to take the bullet for a bunch of girls. It really is laughable that you, Mr. White Knight, came riding in here to save the day. Janet Bloomfield won't fuck you for this. You know that, right?
/r/MensRights11/03/15 09:12 PM
1

No, it's the get your fucking hands off my wallet status quo alive. I know, I know, a man who thinks he should be able to keep his own earnings is "selfish." I get it princess.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:56 PM
-1

You mean the dumb asses paying your way through life?
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:51 PM
0

So now I have to get your fucking buy-in that men have issues? Is that what we're doing here? I don't need your fucking buy-in princess.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:48 PM
-2

"...the law enables abuse." More bullshit. Every separated/divorced mother in the western world has had the option of shared parenting. They don't do it. Even the Honey Badgers have had the option but they would rather have the "child" support. We don't have a legal problem here. It's a woman problem. There's no getting around it. You honestly all remind me of slave owners from 200 years ago thinking out loud about how slavery might not be OK after all, but getting on with business as usual.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:46 PM
-1

More about marrying the "right" girls? What a fucking joke. Again, beware the Honey Badger selling you marriage. Just know guys that when she's collecting from your paycheck she cares about you. FYI this isn't the protected world of AVFM. It's the real world where we call out gynocentric babble for what it is.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:40 PM
-3

Suzanne McCarley, Judgy Bitch Janet Bloomfield, and GWW Karen Straughn have all advocated for or live off of marriage, divorce, and/or so-called "child" support. These are the ones I know of. I'm sure there are others. Are there others? Perhaps you need to be more thoughtful about who you let into your ranks. Your message rings hollow when it's hard to tell the difference between the Honey Badgers and the Real Housewives of Wherever. It's just funny that you think being "picky" is the answer for…
/r/MensRights11/03/15 08:33 PM
-3

Wives ARE hookers.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:15 PM
6

"... the woman has access to the man's full paycheck while after marriage she only has access to a portion of it." Yes, it's true, female victimhood in America includes not having access to all of your husband's money after divorce. Fifty years after "women's lib" this is where we're at.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 05:06 PM
3

She's just making his life miserable because he broke up with her. This has nothing to do with anything other than that. She's a disgrace.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:14 AM
1

Good article and good comments, as well. Just one thing needs to be added here. This quote from the comments brings up the biggest point that gets missed: "When one partner decides to become a stay at home parent and the other becomes the breadwinner, obviously the person who stays at home is sacrificing opportunities in order to raise a family. These sacrifices, should a divorce occur, are likely to leave the person who stays at home impoverished, and ever more so as time passes." commenter Dag…
/r/MensRights29/01/15 05:03 AM
2

This!
/r/MensRights20/01/15 05:28 AM
6

The cause of the so-called wage gap is ... drumroll please ... marriage and "family" law! Abolish husband assistance, "marital property", alimony, "child" support, etc. and the wage gap will disappear. Women aren't working to their full potential because they don't have to. Many women are living off men. It's as simple as that.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 08:39 PM
1

Wow. Even when a feminist thinks things have gone too far, she still sounds like a nut job. Please, Nancy, where is the problem? There is nothing, no evidence whatsoever, that campus assault is any sort of "horrific" problem. None. If you just keep saying it, that doesn't make it real. Any reasonable look at actual arrests and prosecutions, sexual assault is almost non-existent on college campuses. Moreover, the throng of female co-eds entering college every year means these young women and thei…
/r/MensRights19/01/15 08:24 PM
1

While there is no purely legal basis (gendered language) for gender discrimination with regard to "family" law, there is still an enormous gender divide in "family" court outcomes. Men pay 97% of alimony, represent just 18% of custodial parents, and pay 85% of "child" support.
/r/MensRights07/01/15 04:09 AM
0

But marrying a woman who earns less than you is bad too. Wait, that must mean that marriage is bad for men all around!
/r/MensRights07/01/15 03:55 AM
1

"I guess if you want to get married, make sure the person you're marrying really is going to contribute 50% of the team effort.." Or just don't get married.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 04:38 PM
-1

Many get upset when I say this, but the whole point of marriage is to redistribute earnings and wealth from men to women. Marriage is a welfare program. This is the explicit purpose of modern legal marriage. You can imagine my amazement when I hear some in the gay community wanting the "freedom" and "right" to marry. I've described "gay marriage" as the most misguided movement of all time. Look into Melissa Etheridge's divorce. She got taken to the cleaners. The marriage disaster is hitting the …
/r/MensRights06/01/15 04:10 PM
0

Excellent blog post. Thanks!
/r/MensRights06/01/15 03:31 AM
0

Check out the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. pizzadare is right. Modern, legal (civil) marriage is, in fact, a welfare program for women. That is the explicit purpose.
/r/MensRights03/01/15 06:29 AM
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There are no innate incentives for lifetime marriage. I really bristle at this idea of trust that you're talking about. What you're saying is that if we make divorce more difficult for women then they won't be able to leave their husbands so easily. They'll be trapped. And then you can trust them, right? I'm not into that at all. I have to think the desire to trap someone in a personal relationship with you is a sure sign of personality disorder. I'm not a psychiatrist or anything, but I sure kn…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 04:06 PM
9

You're right. Marriage/divorce is a zero sum, steal or be stolen from, proposition. What I'm suggesting is that we remove the ability to steal. We should abolish marital property, alimony, QDROs, all marital welfare concepts. This would make divorce easier on men. To the extent this takes away our wives' ability to live off us, making it "harder" on them, is OK. There's no inherent, God-given right to live off another human being.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 03:57 PM
9

Sure, we definitely need to fight the double standards. I think the "stiff penalty"/traditional fault divorce proponents miss something that's pretty big though. In a highly strict/religious/theocratic society that requires "marriage", you can make divorce as penalizing as you want and people will still do it. However, in a free, secular society attempts to quash divorce serves as a disincentive to marry in the first place. I would argue that we're seeing this with men now. If/when women lose th…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 05:04 AM
61

Why can't we just make divorce easier on men?
/r/MensRights02/01/15 01:36 AM
2

"This case, however, involves a clash between the First Amendment and the “best interests of children.” " You see folks, as long as you couch "family" court abuses in terms of what's best for children you can do whatever you want. My prediction is that this challenge will fail.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 04:35 AM
0

I see. Interesting point.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 08:29 PM
-1

Just wait until reliable male birth control hits the market, which is just a couple years away. You haven't seen anything yet. Anyway, I don't get your point. Are you saying bringing back fault divorce will increase the birth rate? If so, how?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 08:08 PM
-1

Oh, the Air Force? Just kidding. Thank you for your service. We've conversed on reddit before. I remember your story. And this is still no reason to get married. It's just another inducement to get you to sign up for marriage.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 05:38 PM
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We are never going back to "fault" divorce. Not going to happen. This was decided many decades ago and rightly so. What you're missing is that if we really did go back to that system very few people would get married in the first place. I mean, what types of draconian methods will the states use to enforce these relationships? Steep financial penalties and prison? Sounds great! (sarcasm) Who, exactly, will sign up for that? Save the outright abolition of legal marriage, the best long-term soluti…
/r/MensRights29/12/14 03:34 PM
-1

Ah, I see. Well, don't you know that the system in place is already supposed to be in the best interest of children? The wonders of social engineering!
/r/MensRights29/12/14 08:13 AM
-1

I know. I'm suggesting we abolish this arrangement. There's no need for it. You really need to give me some indication as to the government penalties for breaking the marriage contract. In Saudi Arabia they stone people to death for adultry. I'm guessing you're suggesting something less than that, like prison time? Really, you marriage people lose me all the time. Where do you want to go with this?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:55 AM
-1

I see no need for government generated obligations for couples. All couples make bargains in their relationship and they should be free to do so without government interference.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:30 AM
0

Those "benefits" you're talking about are INDUCEMENTS. And none of them are worth getting married over if that's what you're suggesting. And legal marriage doesn't encourage commitment. It just commits men to an enslavement contract. Painful and debilitating? Yes, I think you just described marriage for men. You're not MGTOW yet? What are you waiting for? If you think we're going to get some reform that makes marriage palatable for men, you're kidding yourself. That is delusional.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:21 AM
1

You're the military guy, right?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:13 AM
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Sounds great! (sarcasm). Jesus fucking Christ. Yes, as I've said many times here on r/mr marriage has always been about the enslavement of someone. If you're trying to tell me we should go back to this, you're out of your mind. Maybe, just maybe, we should leave the "chains" in the past and abolish marriage. I believe in individual freedom and liberty. For those who don't see things that way I suggest moving to Saudi Arabia or getting chummy with the Taliban.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 07:05 AM
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The only reason the states got involved in marriage in the first place was to benefit women over men! There's no point for the states to get involved if they're not going to be in the business of stealing from men to give to women. If we can all agree that women aren't all welfare cases we can just scrap legal marriage.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:57 AM
-1

OK. I'm in the U.S. Although we have a few states that still recognize "common law" marriage it is very rare. Clearly, men in Australia should avoid cohabitation!
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:53 AM
0

What country is that?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:44 AM
0

Not really. Legal marriage has always obligated men to financially provide for their wives. That's what civil marriage is for. You'll have to explain to me what LEGAL obligations women have been under.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:43 AM
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You do know when unmarried couples break up they don't go through "family" court to work it out, right? If we abolish legal marriage there is, again, no need to divy up property and income the way we do for married couples.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:39 AM
5

Legal marriage survives on ignorance. I'm not saying men are idiots. Most just have no idea what they're signing up for. In fact there are NO benefits in marriage for men. There is no "value" for men. Legal marriage has always been for women.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:35 AM
-1

Gay and unmarried straight couples have been breaking up literally forever. There is simply no need whatsoever for dealing with this through a special court. There would need to be some legal framework for children. To say this area of "family" law needs reforming would be a colossal understatement.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:29 AM
0

I'm not a lawyer and maybe one could comment on this, but I don't think there is any such thing as precedent in our so-called "family" courts. For all intents and purposes, these judges can basically do whatever they want. edit: "Family" courts should just be scrapped altogether, but that's not going to happen.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:24 AM
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No. The proper question is whether or not civil marriage should exist. It should not. Marriage should be returned to religious institutions and the states should get out of the slavery business.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:18 AM
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Most people have absolutely NO idea what civil marriage really is, including our paranoid friend. Marriage has NOT lost its meaning. It has always been about providing security for women at man's expense. It is legal enslavement of men to women. Not only has it not lost its meaning, the chains that bind husbands to their wives are stronger than ever.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:16 AM
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Should civil marriage exist? No. Of course not. If you do some research into modern civil marriage, which has only been around for about a century, you'll find it has always been about enslaving men to women. The changes (reforms) that occurred about 40 years ago with no-fault divorce and child custody/support took marriage and family to a whole new level (that is low). The financial raping of men and kidnapping of their children through our "family" courts is nothing short of a human rights dis…
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:11 AM
-1

This is all fucking bullshit. If you have the "paper trail" the judge will think of another reason why dad can't get 50/50 custody. That's how the real world works.
/r/MensRights16/12/14 02:53 AM
1

Banned from r/feminism and r/twox. And rhrealitycheck. Also one "strike" away from AVFM ban. Hmmm....
/r/MensRights15/12/14 02:01 PM
1

A couple days ago I made a post looking at the rape rate in Charlottesville based on crime statistics and came up with between 0.1% and 0.2%, or between 1 and 2 in 1000. If I use the factor of 10 for underreporting I get between 1 and 2 in 100, which is in line with your findings.
/r/MensRights11/12/14 03:59 PM
23

About the huge populace willing to believe... With a daughter in high school and going to college soon I've been trying to put my arms around what I see as an enormous disconnect. That is, I have to tell you that if I thought for a second that 1 in 4 or 5 women are raped/sexually assaulted at a specific university there is no way in hell she would attend that school. I would think most parents feel the same way. YET, millions of young women attend college every year, entering "rape cultures", wi…
/r/MensRights11/12/14 03:17 AM
1

No. The actual total is 17-35. The per 100,000 rate is in parentheses, below the actual number.
/r/MensRights09/12/14 01:57 PM
0

How do I respond to this? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/r/MensRights08/12/14 10:27 PM
12

All together now... Never get married guys! You know, maybe - just maybe - that part where you get down on bended knee, prone to your girlfriend, and grovel for her to accept you into her life might not be the best way to start a relationship. Let's think about this for a minute. When do we see this type of groveling? Praying to a higher power Bowing to royalty Kissing the Godfather's ring Begging for your life before the terrorist beheads you And proposing marriage to your girlfriend Not good.
/r/MensRights08/12/14 10:22 PM
-1

I've known three men in my small community who committed suicide over the last 25 years. All were dealing with or facing a custody issue when they shot themselves.
/r/MensRights28/11/14 06:04 PM
0

What a joke. My Democratic parents told me I should vote Democratic for the women in my life. No shit. This has to be the most misguided post I've seen on /r/mr in the five years I've been here.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 01:28 PM
1

Correct analogy. This isn't really even up for debate. Many studies have shown that public welfare absolutely reduces the incentive to work. We call women on the public dole welfare queens. But when you apply the same analysis to marital and other "family" law welfare programs a bunch of people get offended. It's taboo. The woman on marital welfare is living an "honest" life since her husband made an "honest woman out of her." But the poor woman on public welfare is a "queen." I call bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/11/14 05:56 PM
2

My wife worked in a STEM field with several other women out of college. After a few years only one remained with the company. NONE of them in the STEM field they trained for. ZERO. And here's your answer why so few women are in STEM fields ... Most were living off their husbands! I promise you, get rid of marriage and force women to provide for themselves and women will train for and stay in these fields.
/r/MensRights17/11/14 03:29 AM
1

He didn't lose this because of paperwork. He lost because he's a father. People in power do this all the time. The judge decided first that he would rule against the father and then he looked for a reason. If it wasn't the paperwork he would have found a different reason. This is how the world really works.
/r/MensRights06/11/14 06:19 PM
0

I hope you're over on r/feminism moralizing to them. I guess I'm not sure what you want men to do. Get married? Start a family? Provide for mom? Get divorced? Not see your kids? Be destroyed financially? We tried all that. Doesn't work.
/r/MensRights06/11/14 04:52 AM
2

At this point I'm just taking it one day at a time. I might have a lapse here and there but I expect a full recovery in time.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 10:03 PM
5

This is the informed, rational response.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 08:46 PM
4

I agree. Organizations like NPO would be better off spending money just running PSAs on the dangers of family for men.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 08:45 PM
7

MGTOW
/r/MensRights05/11/14 08:44 PM
4

OK, ok, you guys are brutal :)
/r/MensRights05/11/14 08:40 PM
2

Karissa, Fathers typically only fight for custody when there is a problem with mom - she's on drugs, drunk, in prison, whatever. It is quite predictable that men do have some success in these circumstances. My brother's attorney and therapist practically begged my brother to NOT fight for more custody when he got divorced. They told him since he was a father and his ex was a stay-at-home mom he had zero chance of winning. $75,000 later for lawyers and experts my brother found out they were right…
/r/MensRights05/11/14 06:27 PM
2

I guess I'm not sure where you're getting this: "That's why men voted against it." This measure has no impact on most men's lives. Your points 1 and 2 simply don't apply to most men. It doesn't even apply to most fathers. It does apply to fathers with young children. That's a small group to begin with. I'm sure some voted the way you suggest, but there's no way it had any significant impact on the outcome.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 05:49 PM
5

You're entire post is just negative stereotyping at its worst. I'm sure most of the men who voted against this aren't really of new father age. Do you really think grandpa is worried the cutie at the senior center might not believe he'd be a good dad? Even when men do want greater custody they don't typically try for it mostly because they can't pay for the attorney fees and they won't win anyway. I do agree that there are fathers out there who don't want greater custody. Many of them were force…
/r/MensRights05/11/14 05:21 PM
5

I have NEVER heard any advocate for shared parenting even hint that it should be forced onto people who don't want it. This ballot initiative did not do that. Most people voted against it because they simply don't believe fathers should have any rights to their children. That is my experience almost universally across the board.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 04:22 PM
0

I doubt the $70 grand made a blip on most people's radar. I say that if all the shared parenting forces could muster was $27 grand that speaks volumes. I just think this defeat, that is blowout, has much more to do with ingrained bias, tradition, custom, etc. than the $70 grand.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 04:02 PM
2

I know there has been polling data to suggest what you're saying. There was polling data on this specific measure that showed shared parenting would breeze to an easy win. I can't really explain the disconnect, especially between the polling for measure 6 and the outcome. As I said earlier, I see little support for shared parenting. Let me be very clear about what I'm saying here. The people I talk to don't believe fathers have ANY right to dictate custody, except when mom is blitzed on her ass …
/r/MensRights05/11/14 03:56 PM
-1

They had $70,000. That's next to nothing. Proponents of the measure had a similar amount at their disposal.
/r/MensRights05/11/14 03:45 PM
6

Honestly, I doubt the actions of the ACLU and the lawyers had anything to do with this defeat. Sure, they were against the measure, but I sincerely feel it would have been crushed anyway. I've been saying since this sub-reddit had under 5,000 subscribers that as long the "ladies first" culture exists, men, fathers, and even boys stand no chance. Let me say that in my discussions with people regarding shared parenting, there just isn't that much support for it. The general public simply doesn't b…
/r/MensRights05/11/14 12:46 PM
1

Again, SHE WAS WRONG. She should lose her career. That IS punishment. And not only is that enough for her it's certainly a deterrent for other teachers. I know, I know, this is America, we need to fill up all those prisons somehow.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 06:32 AM
2

I've said she shouldn't be teaching. I agree, she was wrong. Beyond that I don't know what you want. All I'm saying is HE WILL BE FINE. I believe you're turning him into a "damsel in distress." I'm not going sit here and pretend like he's somehow damaged. It defies common sense. If he has any negative effect from this at all, it'll be from adults telling him how shitty he should feel about the whole thing.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 06:06 AM
1

Yep! You nailed it.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 05:48 AM
1

Teenagers have sex all the time. And if we're going to wait for the general populace to to reach sufficient maturity to handle everything in a responsible manner ... Well, that's not going to happen. Get over it. Relax. He'll be fine.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 05:47 AM
2

Seriously, I've seen people of all ages make the dumbest decisions imaginable. Far, far dumber than having sex with a beautiful woman for crying out loud. Exactly at what age are our brains fully formed enough so we stop doing stupid stuff? 100? It's sex. He was 16, not 6. Relax. He'll be fine.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 05:44 AM
2

His judgment wasn't clear? Please. He's 16, not 6.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 02:47 PM
2

I don't mind the sex part. To think he was victimized by having sex with her is just plain idiotic. He's 16, not 6. The problem is that she holds a great deal of authority over him. That's a real problem. She shouldn't be teaching. Punishment beyond that is unnecessary.
/r/MensRights30/10/14 02:46 PM
1

"Also, the court will likely impute the ex to work." I've NEVER heard of this actually happening. I know in one state there is a nine-point test that needs to be proven (every point needs to be proven in court). You need lawyers, specialists, and expert witnesses to even dream of doing this. It is so expensive, it's literally out-of-reach for almost all custodial parents. As I said, this is more insidious than most think. What I find equally insidious is your lies that seek to minimize "family" …
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:09 PM
4

This doesn't work. Once the alimony ends she'll be back in court suing for more "child" support. That's how this works. He'll not only have to then pay the extra "child" support, he also will likely have to pay her attorney fees for suing him for more support. All of this is far more insidious than many men, even on r/mensrights, understand.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:14 AM
4

Let me fix something for you. This IS forced labor. You really can't stop working and shirk this obligation. This truly is a form of bondage (slavery). One thing we all need to stop doing is using the words of our masters. You know "child" support, "family" law, best interest of the "child", etc. Call this shit what it is.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:12 AM
3

You might want to consider breaking this up into a half-dozen, or even many more, posts. I scanned and you make some good points, but this is far too long. There are MANY posts every day to this sub-reddit, so it's best to keep it short. A post this long will have a hard time gaining any traction.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:03 AM
16

Ahhh, she was bullying you into shutting up. You could point that out to her.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:57 AM
3

Well, of course. When you can count on spousal support, alimony, "marital" property, "child" support, QDROs, etc. run away. He still has to pay your way through life!
/r/MensRights27/10/14 06:22 PM
1

The truth is most young women going to college are there to find and/or keep an eye on her future husband. The Mrs. degree is as relevant today as it ever was.
/r/MensRights24/10/14 02:59 AM
1

Or maybe he should just not get married. It's not rocket science. Just sayin'. BTW hiding/shielding assets from your wife/ex-wife can land you in the slammer pretty quickly. Don't you think our "family" courts have seen pretty much every trick in the book by now? Men are so fucking stupid. It really is amazing.
/r/MensRights21/10/14 05:33 AM
3

Here's some advice, never enter into a personal relationship that requires legal advice.
/r/MensRights21/10/14 05:07 AM
0

Yah. Millions of fathers and their kids can hardly see each other and I'm supposed to give a flying fuck about their abortion "rights". Well, they can go fuck themselves. I say when these feminists get pregnant strap them up to a prison bed for nine months and force them to give birth. And then hand over the kid to dad and force her to pay 18 years of "child" support. Fuck them!!!
/r/MensRights21/10/14 04:58 AM
3

What you really need to ask yourself is why get married at all? You have to keep in mind that the whole point of legal (civil) marriage is to take from you and give to her. That's the explicit purpose of marriage as we know it today. It's a money, property, income transfer scheme to protect the welfare of women. Given that, there is no rational reason for you to get married. If you're too stupid to get this (and given your line of questioning here I believe you are too stupid to get this) nothin…
/r/MensRights21/10/14 04:51 AM
2

There are few custody "battles" in the US. Most custody decisions are forgone conclusions. Got pussy? Gets kids. Child custody is a rigged game. First off, you decide what's important. That is the best interests of mothers. Then you come up with reasons why mothers should get custody. Primary caregiver? Sure, let's make that the overriding factor. Then, surprise, mom gets primary custody unless she's strung out on drugs. See how this works?
/r/MensRights21/10/14 04:16 AM
1

Reproductive rights for men, including paternal surrender and the abolition of so-called "child" support is certainly on the radar for many MRAs, including Paul Elam and AVFM. I mean who the fuck are you to claim what is a non-starter in the MRA movement? "Child" support is a feminist/traditionalist creation which has no point other than to enrich women. It has nothing to do with children. Maybe you fall for every euphemism in your life. I sure don't.
/r/MensRights02/10/14 12:03 PM
1

I could certainly get behind a lot of this, but we really need to go further. For example, so-called "Child" support needs to be abolished entirely. You say you want to end debtor's prisons, etc. but if you make "child" support "fair" no one will pay. The draconian enforcement of "child" support is there because it has to be there. Anytime you enslave people through some type of servitude like this, you must be able to enforce it. In a free society, the only way forward is to abolish it altogeth…
/r/MensRights02/10/14 02:17 AM
2

I really don't think women's preference for staying at home has anything to do with femininity. I think it's all about incentives and societies penchant for the pussy pass. Check out the wild kingdom. No pussy passes and no stay-at-homers.
/r/MensRights02/10/14 02:06 AM
7

From my previous post: Obviously this isn't true of all women, but it's certainly true for most. You have difficulty reading? And polls have been done with college girls, even those in Harvard's MBA program(!) that entirely support my position. This isn't a secret. Ask a handful of girls at your local high school or college campus if they hope to get married and stay at home. They'll tell you. Most plan to opt out if they can.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 04:32 PM
3

It should not be surprising at all that the National Parents Organization (NPO) is now being run, in part, by feminists as this article proves. They left behind "Fathers and Families" for a very good reason, as I suspected all along. In case you're wondering why NPO doesn't actually do anything for fathers and families, or why they support legislation backing feminist money grabs like alimony and so-called "child" support it's because leadership supports feminism.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 04:23 PM
2

Women marry for money. They call it security. They want to be taken care of. They don't want jobs. They want to "stay at home". Just ask them. Obviously this isn't true of all women, but it's certainly true for most. BTW, if it were socially acceptable for men not to work, they would do the same. It's part of the human condition.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 01:05 PM
2

Marriage has NOTHING to do with children. You have no idea what you're talking about. Modern legal (civil) marriage is EXPLICITLY about providing ($) for grown women. That is marriage is a welfare program for women. That's the beginning and end of marriage. To this end you must have divorce set up the way it is, to punish men and reward women. There is simply no way around this. Divorce laws are not some unfortunate mistake. They were designed precisely to support the purpose of marriage. What w…
/r/MensRights01/10/14 12:57 PM
0

Modern marriage isn't about sex, it's about the money. Get it? Nice job riding in on your white horse, though.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 04:37 AM
2

Can you get the milk for free? No. End of story.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 04:31 AM
-2

Oh good God. You can't be serious?
/r/MensRights01/10/14 04:24 AM
1

Read this, especially the 1908 SCOTUS snippet, and you tell me why prostitution is illegal. http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000105
/r/MensRights01/10/14 03:47 AM
-2

Wrong about what? Why do you think prostitution was made illegal in the U.S. about a century ago? To get rid of the competition. That's the truth.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 03:14 AM
11

I get your point. I do. But, it wasn't the dads who put this shit together. I think we can cross them off the list. Could it have been the working moms? Hmmm... I don't know, but at my daughter's school the "volunteers" met during regular work/school hours. Who really has time to put together shit like this in the first place?
/r/MensRights01/10/14 02:52 AM
-1

Women don't find men who make good money attractive. They find money attractive. See? Or maybe you think Anna Nicole Smith was "attracted" to J. Howard Marshall? Women aren't any different than men in who they want to fuck.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 02:41 AM
19

Give me a break. At my daughter's elementary school several years ago they had to disband the pto. It was all housewives with nothing better to do and they were a nightmare.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 02:30 AM
19

No, but I bet the moms who put together this shit are stay-at-homers.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 02:02 AM
10

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Yes, of course, marriage is prostitution. Wives are hookers. Stop paying for hookers guys. Stay single.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 01:58 AM
6

"Protect yourself." As in DO NOT GET MARRIED EVER! That is the ONLY way to protect yourself from marriage. Men are generally stupid about this frankly. They think they can marry the "right woman" or get a pre-nup, whatever. They're fools. There is nothing in marriage for you guys. Marriage is for HER. You're just the poor schmuck stuck with her bills.
/r/MensRights26/09/14 03:06 AM
6

Women marry for "security" (that is your money). Men think they're getting a "partner." They're not. They're just getting fleeced. Simple as that.
/r/MensRights26/09/14 02:59 AM
3

Hahahahaha . Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hahahahahahahah. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahaha...
/r/MensRights22/09/14 07:07 PM
2

"Is it just that she wants you to avoid unnecessary upset at this point?" You got it. And she is right about it. I do obsess over these issues, often even during work hours (like right now). It's effecting my work. I allow other people's situations affect me emotionally. I have my own issues so I shouldn't be taking on everyone else's too.
/r/MensRights17/09/14 06:10 PM
1

70% is the number from the "These Boots are Made for Walking" study.
/r/MensRights17/09/14 12:18 PM
3

She was a stay-at-homer for many years. Against my will. Not now. Honestly, I make minor changes to my story at times. I don't want to give all of the exact details of my life. If I say I have a daughter maybe I have a son. If I say I have one child maybe I have two. I mix up details about my wife. Stuff like that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I don't want someone to read my posts and know it's me. The 60% is real in case you're wondering. It's very easy to say money doesn't matter when yo…
/r/MensRights17/09/14 02:53 AM
1

No. It doesn't matter who files either.
/r/MensRights17/09/14 02:10 AM
1

Really it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Yes, lifetime alimony is a very real possibility in many states. That's what I keep thinking. It could get worse. No good answers here.
/r/MensRights17/09/14 02:09 AM
0

First of all, I have no use for anyone who beats a child with a switch. Petersen is a child abuser. It's as simple as that. He belongs in prison. I'm fine with the due process aspect with respect to the NFL and his team, and the courts. But, at the end of the day, if found guilty, please let's put this man behind bars. As for Ray Rice, my take on it is that she's an abuser herself. She had likely been abusing him for some time before the elevator incident. It's likely he was staying with her so …
/r/MensRights16/09/14 03:11 AM
1

Thanks for your sanctimonious bullshit. Getting back to the question at hand, you certainly did stump me with that one. I guess I'm not sure why you just didn't say that at first. Anyway, seeing how this applies to, what, 0.0000001 of the population, I hardly see how this situation is important in this debate. Especially since, again, this is not a benefit of marriage. This is yet one of many inducements to funnel unsuspecting people into marital enslavement. You, frankly, walked right into it. …
/r/MensRights12/09/14 07:34 PM
1

You did have to? How? I've never heard of such a thing. Two American citizens are free to live wherever they like. You don't have to get married to stay in the same place. People co-habit before marriage (or in place of marriage) all the time. If you're not into that, you just get separate apartments.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 06:08 PM
1

So, you didn't have to get married to avoid being separated geographically. Who is the fucking idiot here?
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:19 PM
1

What you're talking about aren't benefits of marriage. They're inducements. There's a huge difference. There are no benefits to men in marriage, just obligations. Women get financial security through the power of the state. If you refuse to take care of her, at least to some extent, the state steps in, confiscates your income and property, and redistributes it to your woman. That's the whole point of legal marriage. Inducements are in place to make life difficult for singles and to attempt to fu…
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:14 PM
1

What does geographically separated mean then? I don't get it.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:08 PM
2

Where's dad?
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:26 AM
3

So you got married so she could get her green card? That's not a reason for YOU to get married. That was a reason for HER to get married.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:25 AM
1

Any man who doesn't have a healthy fear of legal marital servitude is highly susceptible to having his life destroyed. So, yes, to any man who will listen, let the fear of marriage dictate your life.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 05:19 AM
1

You can set up and knock down strawmen all you want. It doesn't matter. It's not that all women are leeches. That's not the problem. The problem is legal marriage enables the leeches to steal a man's financial security at will. Get it?
/r/MensRights12/09/14 03:42 AM
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Marriage provides no benefit to men and all risk. It's simply not in the interest of men to marry. It's not really any more complicated than that. It's not that no women have morals. It's that in marriage, and all of so-called "family" law, women have all the power and men have all the obligations. There's no rational reason whatsoever for a man to be involved in this.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 03:39 AM
5

Marriage is not like business. Marriage is a one-sided contract that provides security for women at the expense of men. In other words it's a welfare program for women. Men are the suckers.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 03:35 AM
6

Still butt hurt over me shitting on your precious "institution" I see.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 01:36 AM
2

No-fault divorce, along with child custody/support reform, which all happened several decades ago freed women from bad marriages. These reforms made marriage more toxic than ever for men.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 01:10 AM
10

And who the fuck are you?
/r/MensRights11/09/14 08:52 PM
15

Another alimony reform effort that's a complete fucking joke. A hard-fought victory for housewives, gold-diggers and moochers everywhere. Men, DO NOT GET MARRIED under any circumstance. Marriage is NOT for you. Marriage is for HER. If you have any self-respect and enjoy your freedom and any semblance of financial security, then you must stay single.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 08:39 PM
1

True. Those are not benefits of marriage though. They're inducements. These laws are written more to make single living impractical than making married living practical. Yes, these types of inducements are, at least in part, why some men get married. Marriage has ALWAYS required inducement, fear, shaming, barriers to sex (prohibition against pre-marital sex and prostitution), barriers to divorce, etc. to hold it together. Rational thought has ALWAYS been marriage's enemy.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 07:32 PM
1

A little bit ago, I posted a paper entitled "Alimony: Peonage or Involuntary Servitude", which provides some excellent insight into marriage. I think marriage/divorce has much in common with all forms of bondage, whether we're talking about enslavement, indentured servitude, involuntary servitude, peonage, debt prisons. As I see it marriage/divorce is really its very own form of bondage. It's not exactly like the other forms. Yes, we choose to get married, but how many people, especially men, re…
/r/MensRights11/09/14 05:54 PM
1

I think you mean involuntary servitude. Either way see the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
/r/MensRights11/09/14 03:03 PM
2

No. Marriage itself is the problem. It's an absolute disgrace in what is supposed to be a free country. Abolish slavery. Abolish marriage.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 03:09 AM
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This "major overhaul" is a fucking joke. Seriously, any man who gets married in the good old USA is an idiot. I've said it here many times before and I'll keep saying it, men DO NOT GET MARRIED. There is nothing in marriage for you. Marriage is for her and it will always be for her. Stay single. Stay free.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 03:05 AM
0

As a man in the USA, inviting the government into your relationship is NOT rational. It simply gives her the right to take your money. That, in no way, is rational. I really can't believe you've been hanging around here for so long and you still don't get it. One more time, marriage = slavery. I guess for the masters, you just see what you want to see.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 02:57 AM
0

Love? I doubt it. He fucking knocked her out cold. I think it's for the money.
/r/MensRights09/09/14 02:50 AM
0

In any circumstance!
/r/MensRights09/09/14 02:49 AM
-1

Yes, yes, you still can't give me a rational reason for men to get married. Cha ching!
/r/MensRights08/09/14 09:12 PM
-1

There chances of making it as a married couple is really low No shit. You don't really think she's in this for life, do you? She'll be in long enough to take him to the cleaners and then she'll be out.
/r/MensRights08/09/14 08:02 PM
0

Who is angry?
/r/MensRights08/09/14 07:22 PM
1

Huh?
/r/MensRights08/09/14 07:20 PM
1

"Maybe, despite the incident of mutual DV, they love each other and their child and want to be a family?" chavelah, you should know by now that's no reason for a man to get married. In fact, I can't think of any rational reason why a man should get married. Now, apparently, he's just been released by the Ravens. The divorce or annulment can't be too far behind. A lot less for her to steal now. She'll need to move on and find another sucker, I mean husband.
/r/MensRights08/09/14 07:18 PM
-1

I made no mention of his level of culpability regarding the incident. I haven't even seen the video, nor do I care to. Couldn't care less about it. All I'm saying is he's a dumbass for marrying her. We don't need the video for that.
/r/MensRights08/09/14 07:13 PM
1

In feminist speak alimony reform is "financial violence" and thus "dangerous" to women. Don't you see this? /s
/r/MensRights27/08/14 02:47 PM
2

Honestly, just get a new job. Be glad you're not married to this abuser or you'd really be fucked.
/r/MensRights19/08/14 07:58 PM
14

Huh? I assure you had he come home and she called the police he would either have to leave or go to jail. It's a simple as that.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 02:04 PM
7

If he had a right to the marital home and other property he earned he would have just divorced her in the first place. Is this lost on you?
/r/MensRights14/08/14 01:19 PM
4

I guess this makes him a "survivor" of sexual assault.
/r/MensRights18/07/14 01:46 PM
1

OK. He sounds pretty hopeless to me, but you could try LegalZoom. I just used their service for the first time for starting a business and I was very pleased. They'll try to sell you add-ons and more stuff, but you just have to ignore that. Good luck.
/r/MensRights09/07/14 12:21 PM
1

If he doesn't want to spend a lot of money he shouldn't get married in the first place. That a man needs a pre-nup in the first place is a clear sign that something is very wrong with marriage. The only advice I can give you is to just try and talk him out of getting married.
/r/MensRights09/07/14 02:45 AM
0

Bro, First, there are some men who never wanted to be fathers, had it forced onto them by their wives, girlfriends, or one-night stands, and simply do not want custody. It should not be surprising these men aren't all candidates for father of the year. Second, there's a group of "fathers" who aren't really the father. Again, not surprisingly, these men will be pretty unlikely candidates for post-separation custody. Of the real dads who were involved in the decision to be a parent, most of them d…
/r/MensRights06/07/14 04:23 AM
1

"This is the kind of thing that makes me want to sit down and back off from any kind of activism or dialogue." Well, until people start getting beaten, arrested, and yes, even killed, for the cause nothing will get better. See examples like Martin Luther King and Medgar Evars for what real activism costs.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 03:58 AM
1

I know, pointing out female privilege is hate. I've heard that before. I couldn't be for equality any more than I am. I believe all moochers men and women alike, should get jobs and stop living off their exes. Sherri Shepard's worthless ex-husband included. He's a disgrace.
/r/MensRights01/07/14 08:54 PM
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I read the article. Let's be clear, the author is shaming MEN who marry to get money. Get it? Women have been using marriage to get money, as I wrote earlier, forever. Funny, but I can't find an article from the author being concerned about that. I have to tell you, your ignorance about marriage is glaring. Modern legal marriage has nothing to do with "emotional connections". That's a big fucking LOL! Marriage is only about extracting money from men to give to women (aka "financial security" for…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 02:39 PM
30

It's really hilarious that the the author of this article thinks women need to make sure their husbands "bring something to the table". Women have been marrying for "security" ($) since, well, forever. What does the author think marriage is for? Not sure why or how this woman from the View didn't get the fucking memo. What's a more interesting question is when men will demand their wives "bring something to the table". This is really happening already. The gravy train of marriage is on the way o…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 03:23 AM
-6

Come on. I think women are perfectly happy with their ex-husband's money, alimony, and "child" support. Who needs dignity when you have all that?
/r/MensRights10/06/14 07:37 PM
-1

Hey, just saying that if you're a greedy pig don't be surprised if you get your greedy ass knifed. I, for one, don't give a shit about greedy gold-digging whores or their crying families. Boo fucking hoo. Cry cry cry. She should have picked better.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 07:31 PM
1

The observation that people are killing each other, themselves, and their children because of marriage/divorce and child custody/support issues is simply a point of fact. Greedy pigs get slaughtered sometimes. It's as simple as that.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 07:16 PM
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Earth to Hugo... The money isn't for the child! "Child" support is NOT for children. It's meant to supplement the lifestyle of custodial parents. OJ Simpson's gold-digging ex was getting something like $20 grand a month in "child" support when she got her greedy ass knifed. You really think those kids were getting even 10% of that? Wake up people!
/r/MensRights10/06/14 02:58 AM
-1

So you think demanding mom support is biological? What a fucking joke. You're a glorified hooker. Of course you were raised to be a hooker. You learned to withhold sex. Gold-digging is a learned "profession". You do realize there are many millions of moms who have jobs, right? I have to tell you, you're the first person I can recall who claimed mooching off baby's daddy was biological.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 02:48 AM
2

Feminism has NEVER been about true equality. It has always been a supremecist/hate movement. Feminists have always been advocates for female privilege and power.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 05:37 PM
3

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Give any group complete power over another and that power WILL be abused. We live in a ladies first, men last society. As long as that is true women will abuse their privilege. And I would love to see the science behind your assertion that women, in general, are any less sexual than men. Do you have that? Your experience may be far different than other, even most, women. Is it possible you were raised to use sex to exert power in your relationships? Did you ev…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 05:16 PM
-6

Yah, she seems great. But don't marry her. No reason to fuck yourself over that way.
/r/MensRights22/05/14 05:21 AM
17

DON'T GET MARRIED. PERIOD. Nothing else needs to be said.
/r/MensRights21/05/14 04:01 AM
-7

You're right. It's the left who demonizes and dehumanizes men and boys. Period.
/r/MensRights21/05/14 03:58 AM
-1

Why not? Why should wives get court-ordered welfare and daughters can't? I don't see the case for giving wives anything either.
/r/MensRights14/03/14 01:32 AM
0

So, I'm wondering why if we call one adult woman "daughter" she gets nothing, and If we call a woman "wife" she's entitled to the welfare treatment. Shouldn't we ask these wives to make it on their own?
/r/MensRights14/03/14 01:06 AM
-4

I guess MRAs and feminists don't have as much in common as you think. Feminism is a hate movement, thus the open hostility at circumcised male victims. The men's movement is an equality and rights-based movement. They are nothing alike. Thanks for sharing. It's important for male victims to share their stories. It really does bring out the true nature of feminism.
/r/MensRights14/03/14 01:02 AM
0

So you're saying adult women should not have to be supported by a man? That's my point.
/r/MensRights14/03/14 12:55 AM
6

Remember that the whole point of so-called "family" law is to provide women with "support" (welfare). Anyone who thinks this is about "the best interest of children" is sadly mistaken. It's not just Canada that has made fathers (and their children) second-class citizens as I'm sure you're aware. The entire western world, you know we "civilized" people, is guilty. Thanks for sharing your story. For too long fathers and children have been marginalized and you're helping change that.
/r/MensRights25/02/14 05:10 AM
2

You need to contact nationalparentsorganization.org.
/r/MensRights03/02/14 04:04 AM
2

Thanks for posting. This is big. Hopefully this will get some type of national discussion going. BTW The problem is not necessarily divorce. The problem is having government involved in marriage in the first place. Legal marriage should simply be abolished.
/r/MensRights30/12/13 08:42 PM
-14

No. This isn't a traditionalist subreddit. Nor does it have anything to do with lesbians. It's for men's rights. Guys get fired for stupid reasons all the time, but that doesn't make it a men's rights issue. If he was fired for simply being a man, then this story belongs here.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 07:18 PM
-16

How is this related to men's rights? I don't get it.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 05:58 PM
1

That's why I always put quotes around "family" and often include "hahahahahahaha..." for good measure. For sure, our "family" courts have NOTHING to do with family, or children, or anything other than enforcing wife and mother privilege.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:37 PM
1

"I thought they were coming for the money." Exactly what do you think modern marriage is for? If you think it has anything to do with something other than money, you're mistaken.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:32 PM
0

First off, legally, that is YOUR home. Yes, he paid for it, but that doesn't matter. At the end of the day he has no legal standing to actually live there. He only can live there if you let him. You can call the police whenever you like and have him forcibly removed if you like. That is the effect of our domestic violence laws in America today. Please keep in mind that when I write here I do so for anyone who happens across my post, not merely for the person I'm replying to. I'm trying to educat…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:16 PM
3

There is no meaningful difference between the way modern day "child" support and marriage/divorce works and how debtor's prisons and other forms of indentured servitude have worked in the past. If you owe your ex child support or alimony, for example, you are REQUIRED to work and pay this debt under the threat of prison. We really do have forced labor today through our "family" courts. For all intents and purposes your ex DOES own you.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 06:01 AM
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Actually, most of the people (that is men) in the local and county jails that house "child" support debtors are incarcerated for ... non-payment of "child" support, alimony, or some other type of "support". These places are for all intents and purposes debtor's prisons that happen to house a few ordinary criminals.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:29 AM
47

Debtor's prison is, in fact, a form of slavery.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:11 AM
1

"His" children, eh? Those are YOUR children. Your body, your baby, don't you know. And that is YOUR home. You can have him removed at any time. You know that. The explicit purpose of modern legal marriage is to force men to take care of their wives. There never was any other reason for government to be involved in marriage in the first place. Modern marriage IS welfare for women payable by their husbands.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 04:02 AM
4

Marriage, even with a pre-nup, is for idiots.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:42 AM
1

I know what you're saying (two-year allowance) sounds more than reasonable to most in the men's rights community, but I'll never go there. If we simply cut off marital welfare entirely there would be very few women or men who would even dream of staying at home. You'd be crazy to do it. More than likely most couples would make the effort to share work/home/childcare responsibilities. Upon separation mom and dad would have both job/career and parenting skills, and, I believe, would create the bes…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:38 AM
94

To be clear, this gentleman is going to jail for not supporting his ex's lifestyle to the satisfaction of the state. This has nothing to do with the "best interest of children".
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:08 AM
74

Yep. Slavery. Slavery exists in the year 2013 in the United States of America. I know for some it's hard to believe. They refuse to see the obvious truth because, you know, that sort of thing doesn't happen here.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:06 AM
1

I think you're assuming mom has custody all the time. I'm saying the child spends considerable time at both homes where each parent can provide their own necessities and extras. Sure, there would be times when money would change hands between parents. That could not be entirely avoided. I know this IS happening in some separated families now. Mom and dad coordinate outside the state system. It is certainly sustainable.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:01 AM
1

You got it. In fact, you've really just hit the nail on the head regarding the purpose of our "family" court system.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:54 AM
1

Let me guess, you're unclear of what it means for a mom to pay her fair share of her child's expenses? It means half. Or maybe the part where mom doesn't get a check every month for "child" support? Mom's not a child, she's an adult and should pay her own way through life. Does that cover it?
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:50 AM
9

U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Europe, Australia, and the like are all out. Seriously, see where all the mail order brides are coming from. To be clear these women are coming here for the favorable, pro wife and mother, "family" laws. We American men really aren't any better than, say, Russian or Filipino men. We just have anti-male "family" courts.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:42 AM
1

Of course. I really don't think positioning yourself as a financial dependent in our modern economy is advisable. I certainly don't think spouses should be forced to pay for that lifestyle choice upon divorce.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:37 AM
0

Where did I say all marriages are like mine? I'll answer that for you - nowhere. You know little to nothing about divorce. Your state would take very good care of you upon divorce. You'd end up with at least half the marital assets. In many states you'd get well above 50%. The house would surely be yours unless you didn't want it. A QDRO would enable you to steal half his pension/retirement accounts. Social Security benefits based on his earnings. I doubt very much you would get no alimony, even…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:35 AM
1

Divorce? Then I would have lost my daughter. Are you out of your mind? I stayed in the marriage so I could be with my daughter. Untold numbers of fathers do the same all the time. And yes I knew at the time choosing my daughter instead of divorce would cost me my financial future. This is the reality for fathers in America today. It's the ugly under belly of marriage and "family" law that lawyers like you would rather be swept under the rug. And this is BTW why women's organizations are so dead …
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:19 AM
1

No. Shared parenting should be the default. That is give both parents significant time. The every-other-weekend approach for non-custodial parents should be rare. So called "child" support should be abolished. Under shared parenting parents should pay their fair share of child expenses directly.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:04 AM
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I guess your legal training didn't prepare you for the real and ugly world of marriage. Yah, my wife promised to work when we had kids and when the time came she quit her career. That's after I paid for her four year engineering degree. She told me if I didn't like it she'd keep the baby and I could leave. Sorry if this just shattered your Walt Disney bullshit view of marriage and family. It's a jungle out there, believe me.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:39 PM
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Good for you.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:35 PM
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Ladies, if you don't want to be left destitute here's a plan - W.O.R.K. Get and keep employment - a J.O.B. Being a gold-digging mooch off some brain surgeon is hardly an honorable life. That you'd even suggest mooching off a doctor is somehow legitimate is scary. I mean most gold-diggers hide their intentions. Anyway... Fathers who intended to be fathers should be responsible for paying their share (half) of their children's expenses along with having shared physical custody. Fathers who did not…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:34 PM
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Oh Jesus Fucking Christ, an attorney has graced our presence here on r/mensrights. Let me fucking bow at your feet your Highness. Why that makes all the fucking difference. It's 2013, your Highness, not 1813. If you ladies want to take gobs of time off playing with your kids and hanging out at Panera Bread why the fuck should a man have to be punished for that upon divorce? Keep your jobs ladies!!! What would be wrong with that? You are not a child. You can make your own way in the world. Men sh…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:23 PM
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Oh yah, that's it. I've known three men in the last 15 years who committed suicide over divorce and loss of their children. To think that was all over $600 and a few fees. You're an idiot.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:16 PM
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I'm done here. Your first two paragraphs contain obvious errors of current law pretty much everywhere in the "civilized" world. Most obviously this is wrong and has been wrong for four decades: "Second, divorce is a choice. Both parties must sign." That is just not true. Divorce has been "no-fault" and unilateral for FOUR decades. You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously, you don't even know the very basics of "family" law. You would be very wise to educate yourself for your own pro…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:14 PM
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Oh no it's that simple. What's making this hard for you is that you think the role of men in society should be to hand over their hard-earned money to women.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:08 PM
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The OP's SO can't do shit. He's fucked. It's a travesty. His only hope is that this bitch gets hit by a bus and kicks off this planet. Then he can get his child and be a rightful parent. The governmental "child" support system IS state-sponsored slavery of non-custodial parents. Of course it is. It includes forced labor requirements, license revocation, wage garnishment, and ultimately prison for those who can't or refuse to comply. That is slavery by any definition. Calling it "child" support d…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:40 PM
1

The problem is when you come right down to it people generally have no interest in enslaving themselves to another person, for life, in the traditional sense of marriage. This has always been true. Societies and religions of always had to prescribe extreme methods to get people to marry and keep them together. God wants you to marry, don't you see? You know you'll go to hell if you live in sin. You'll get thrown out of some churches over divorce. In some societies you can still get stoned for ad…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:28 PM
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So-called "child" support is nothing more than state-sponsored slavery of non-custodial parents, usually fathers. It is never justifiable. Until you can wrap this tidbit around your brain you just don't get it. Educate yourself tank.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:11 PM
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I don't think grown women are children. I think they should pay their own way through life. As for supporting children, just give fathers a humane level of custody and let them pay their fair share directly. See how simple this is?
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:08 PM
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So-called "child" support has absolutely NOTHING to do with children. It is simply the redistribution of income from men to women. That is the point of it. There is simply no need for any governmental system to support children in this way. If you want fathers to pay for their kids, give them custody and those who wanted to be fathers in the first place will gladly pay their fair share of real child rearing expenses. For those women who choose to bring a child into the world without the blessing…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:04 PM
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The government should get of marriage altogether. Legal marriage should be abolished. All marital slaves should be emancipated from their masters. In other words, all alimony, QDROs, and other marital enslavement "agreements" should be voided. Shared parenting should be the default custody arrangement. So-called "child" support should be abolished. All current "child" support orders should be voided.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 06:21 PM
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This is an absolutely pathetic post. Folks the answer to our so-called "child" support system is to abolish it outright. I know state-sponsored stealing when I see it and this is certainly it. So the tank thinks another job will fix this man's problems, but alas the tank has no fucking idea what he's talking about. You see tank, the bitch will just take the OP's ex to court for a huge chunk of that money too. Maybe this new money can go straight to her shoe collection seeing how her church tithi…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 06:11 PM
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Once a man is in the grips of our so-called "family" courts he's a slave. Marriage and divorce cannot be discussed separately. Marriage has two parts, pre-divorce and post-divorce. In any event you are fucked. Same goes for having children. It immediately ties you into women's court and you are fucked. Men, do not get married and do not have children in America. Stay free.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 06:01 PM
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In America, as I know you're aware, with regards to children it's my body, my baby. Men have next to zero rights to parent their children, even if married. It can all end with one signature. How could child bearing possibly be unfair for American moms like yourself? I don't get it. Again, fathers have no parental rights. We can't possibly gain any unfair advantage, single or married. Your strategy of suckering men into marriage over wallethood is for predators.
/r/MensRights29/11/13 05:34 AM
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Honestly, you are headed for disaster. Misogyny? Really? "Let's be frank here, most men worth their weight in intelligence not only can tell, but already KNOW beforehand all of the quirks and possible craziness that might manifest in their partner." This is a game for fools. You want the whole wife and family thing so bad it's clouding your thinking. I mean, I'm supposed to believe that a man ignorant and/or brainwashed enough to enter into legalized slavery, aka marriage, is going to pick the r…
/r/MensRights27/11/13 12:06 AM
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Sorry, but this is a ridiculously stupid post. Mom and our so-called "family" courts will decide who the father is. End of story. It is, frankly, dumb shit like this that tricks so many young men into the concepts of "husband" and "father" in the first place. Men, avoid marriage at all costs. Avoid wallethood at all costs. Your future depends on it.
/r/MensRights26/11/13 12:15 AM
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MANY former feminists made the same discoveries you are now and similarly lost friends. (Count Paul Elam himself as a former feminist! No kidding.) My relationship with my parents has become increasingly strained over the past several years because of this. Feminism is very polarizing, at least when you stand against it. Your experience is similar to mine. I am perfectly willing to have a civil relationship with my parents even though they flat-out don't believe father's should have any right to…
/r/MensRights16/11/13 12:20 AM
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Are you following me? :)
/r/MensRights16/11/13 12:06 AM
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You're really just finding out the truth behind feminism. It has NOTHING to do with equality. The equality line is just the nice shiny wrapper. When you open up the package it's just hate movement that seeks female privilege. I'm sure losing your "friends" IS overwhelming, but consider that the moral equivalent of the Nazis just defriended you. Now you can find some real friends.
/r/MensRights15/11/13 10:54 PM
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The best interest of children is code for best interest of mothers. Family court is code for women's court. Child support is code for mom support. The idea that our "family" courts are set up to just enrich lawyers is ridiculous. The reason father's are being shut out of their kids' lives is because moms want it that way! If women wanted their children's fathers in their lives it would already be happening. So who is leading us astray here? womenformen.org? Who the fuck is womenformen.org? How m…
/r/MensRights15/11/13 10:41 PM
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Welcome. Relax, grab a drink and a snack, get on YouTube, search for "girlwriteswhat disposable male", select video, and listen. I think this video more than anything will give you the proper perspective on the men's and father's rights movement. The National Parents Organization blog by Robert Franklin is a must read. He posts something almost every day and it's always top notch. This is the "go to" source for information relating to the struggles of fathers. As far as you seeing "hatred and bi…
/r/MensRights15/11/13 12:52 AM
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Read your second link. "The data did not include information about specialty." This study does not claim at all there's an issue of fairness here. In fact, it goes to reasonable lengths to explain the gap, like the issue of specialties, experience, workplace flexibility, etc. Despite consistent feminist rant about the wage gap for at least the last 40 years, there has never been any study that shows widespread gender/wage discrimination. There's a reason for that. It doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights14/11/13 10:34 PM
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So the same "expert" on "family" court matters tosses out the wage gap myth. Excuse me for a moment while I laugh my ass off! ... OK, I'm back. There is no discernible wage gap in the medical or any other field. When you control for time on the job, experience, specialties, etc. the wage gap disappears. There have been numerous studies on this issue and they all show the same thing. Women have, in fact, been shown to earn MORE than their male counterparts for the same job throughout their 20s. O…
/r/MensRights14/11/13 08:29 PM
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The courts favor the mothers but That's the truth. But nothing. End of story.
/r/MensRights14/11/13 12:58 AM
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How you being a pediatrician has any bearing on you knowing your ass from a hole in the ground is beyond me. I guess you suppose hearing moms complain about fathers in your office makes you an authority on child custody issues.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 03:27 PM
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This is a post from a doctor?
/r/MensRights13/11/13 02:50 AM
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That's bullshit. Even stay-at-home dads are rarely named as the custodial parent. You have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 02:49 AM
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Most divorcing men are advised by their attorneys to accept the standard non-custodial agreement because they can't win in court. My brother was advised to accept this, but he decided to fight for more time in court. After $70,000 in legal costs, much of it for his ex-wife's attorneys fighting against him, he got nothing additional. The judge chided him for wasting the courts time. I kid you not. I'm not sure if you're evil or just you're village's idiot. What you wrote is, of course, true, but …
/r/MensRights12/11/13 05:23 PM
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The leading reason dads aren't in their kids' lives is that they're not allowed to be there. Pretty hard to spend time with your kids when the court order gives you just two weekends a month.
/r/MensRights12/11/13 04:41 AM
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Modern marriage was never supposed to be beneficial to men. The states took over marriage precisely to benefit only women. Marriage is still that way today. The only way forward for men with regard to marriage is to remove the state. We need to return marriage to our churches and other houses of worship/traditional customs.
/r/MensRights31/10/13 12:11 AM
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She's the real deal. Don't get me wrong. But she even said it in this interview that you can get what you want without the risks just by being in a relationship. Assuming you could get her at all ;), why not just cohabitate?
/r/MensRights30/10/13 10:40 PM
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So, you'd marry the woman who is telling you marriage is a bad deal for men?
/r/MensRights30/10/13 07:42 PM
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So you're denying there's a bias towards women in our "family" courts?
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:44 PM
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My ass. Do you think we're from Mars here? The courts overwhelmingly give custody and "child" support to mom. Gender is about all "family" court judges weigh and you know it.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:37 PM
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Well, it's certainly true that we have men in America who have children they never wanted. It seems to me that men should be able to opt out, forgo any parental right, and avoid "child" support payments if they want. I mean, we wouldn't dream of forcing parenting or "child" support on a woman. I think men deserve the same treatment. That's equality. And don't give that line about how guys should just keep it in their pants. Girls are perfectly capable of keeping their pants on, too.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:36 PM
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Well, moms who make little or no money aren't always the better parent, either, but they're overwhelmingly getting custody now. Where is your outrage on that? Our post-separation sole "custodial" parenting system has been responsible for the unprecedented state-sponsored kidnapping of millions of children from their parents, mostly fathers. It's been a human rights disaster. What's been done is certainly a crime, a crime against humanity, that is. Hide behind the "custody" euphemism if you want.…
/r/MensRights28/10/13 06:36 PM
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Well, I think it would be worth talking to a lawyer about. Here's the thing, though, the courts have seen every trick in the book. And, remember, "family" court judges don't like tricks and they have broad powers to fuck you over. True story: My brother spent 10s of thousands of dollars on his and his ex-wife's attorneys to try and get more time with his kids. He didn't want the standard every-other-weekend plus a few hours here and there treatment. So, loving father goes to extraordinary length…
/r/MensRights27/10/13 04:18 AM
0

Well, MGTOW is the best path. But, I know what you mean. Even the MGTOW guys will get robbed blind, one way or another.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 03:49 AM
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Why? We reduce parenting time for fathers who make more money now. What sense does it make to give custody to the people who are least able to take care of their children? HMMM... MAYBE SO WE CAN HAVE AN EXCUSE TO STEAL MONEY FROM MEN AND GIVE IT TO WOMEN??? This is the real reason for our child kidnapping (aka custody) and "child" support systems.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 03:46 AM
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Dad can pay the kids' expenses directly when the kids are in his care. This isn't rocket science. We don't need a system to enrich mothers. We need a system that is in the best interest of children.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 03:37 AM
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Guessing that the judge would consider that as hiding assets. That is her assets.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 03:32 AM
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The "child" support system is entirely unnecessary. 50/50 shared parenting is ideal and each parent coughs up their own share. For those who can't afford this we either give them public welfare or reduce their custody time. This isn't that hard. We don't need to do child support guideline gymnastics to pay for our kids.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:35 PM
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That was 10 years ago. She's an amazing teenager now. Honor student taking advance math, bio, and chem courses. Couldn't be more proud. Thanks for asking!
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:32 PM
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I mistyped that last reply. She's currently getting $90,000 a YEAR.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:29 PM
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It does not. It just supplements mom's income. There is literally no accounting for what she does with the money. It's hers to do what she pleases.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:27 PM
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It's funny how kids see things for what they really are. I kid you not, another true story: My wife was staying at home with our daughter (against my wishes but that's another story). When she was about six, or so, we were hanging out and I asked her what she wanted to do when she grew up. I expected vet, or gymnast, or princess, or whatever. She said "nothing". She wasn't silent, she literally said "nothing". Huh? She said she wanted to do what mommy did, nothing.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:24 PM
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The ex-wife is currently getting almost $90,000 a month (edit: she's getting 90,000 a year currently). She got that when she had only 4% time with the kid. Now they have 50/50 custody for some reason. If you do the math you can see where the new amount comes from.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:16 PM
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True story: One of my brother's two kids told him he had three kids. Confused, my brother asked him what he meant. He said, well there's me, (his brother), and mommy, my brother's ex-wife.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:09 PM
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Or how about we just abolish "child" support entirely? What would be wrong with that? And please don't tell me because its for the children. It isn't and it never has been. "Child support" is probably the most influential euphemism of all time.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 09:05 PM
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This is so obviously fake I'm embarrassed just to respond to say it's fake. In any event, get help for whatever your problem is.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 08:59 PM
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Troll
/r/MensRights25/10/13 08:45 PM
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Obamacare is just another welfare program that transfers $ from, on average, the young and male to, on average, the old and female, the people with all the money and other welfare programs who don't have to work in the first place. By all means young men, man-up and get grandma that hip replacement. It's not enough that you're already forking over 15% of your income for Social Security and Medicare. They need more. They'll always need more.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 08:07 PM
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Damsel in distress!!! Damsel in distress!!! Men want rights!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Run for lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/r/MensRights24/10/13 08:09 PM
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Don't drive yourself too crazy trying to convince people egalitarianism is hopeless. That kool-aid is awfully appealing and I'm sure you recognize that. At the end of the day this MRA/egalitarian movement will either take hold, and I honestly don't see any evidence it will, or it will flame out. It will just have to run it's course. I do think avfm is onto something in that they're getting noticed. It's genius really. Now that the movement is getting some attention the proof will be in the puddi…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 06:16 PM
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Not me. I thought she deserved a punch on her girly nose. Try telling that to the masses, though. You really believe society will ever treat a man and a woman the same in this type of scenario? I have to tell you I just don't see that happening.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:31 PM
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You're right. Or, at least, I agree 100%, anyway. At times this whole movement reminds me of that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity. We're making this splash about men's "rights", but not getting results. Which actually has lead some to believe the men's movement just started!
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:28 PM
0

See the story about the Jets fan punching that woman who was running at him. See?
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:15 PM
1

Well, keep pushing this forward. You have your finger squarely on the seminal point of this whole movement. Without a RATIONAL (that is it can't be delusional) answer here, if there is one, there is literally no point in pressing on.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:11 PM
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I don't see why it matters that women are miserable. Why should I, or anyone else, care that women are just as miserable as men? I can assure you that it's against my biology to do my shitty fucking desk job every day. I could think of hundreds, if not thousands, of things I'm more inclined to do with my life, but I just don't have the option to do so. Now, I don't expect anyone to care. I guess if a woman is not biologically fulfilled I should care about that? Is that what you're saying? If so,…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 04:58 PM
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As a society, we can't seem to do that. That's the problem.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 04:49 PM
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"Until you can demonstrate a way of convincing society to treat men and women as equally disposable, this fantasy of equality between men and women cannot exist and is not a valid argument." --Me This is really men's and father's rights gold, here. Seriously. I'd love to see a gathering of the most prominent men's and father's writers/advocates take this on. GWW, TyphonBlue, AVFM, Paul Elam, Robert Franklin, etc. please help me with this. I certainly can't argue with it. I have always said in nu…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 04:47 PM
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Even if women have some (edit: greater) biological preference for child rearing, which is hardly obvious to me anyway, so what? Why does that matter? You also seem to be saying I have some (edit: greater) biological tendency for hunting, but I'm not doing that. I have a desk job. Again, why does this deep psychology you're talking about matter?
/r/MensRights24/10/13 04:07 PM
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This whole debate is absurd. Yes, most women would be much happier at home, not having to do some shitty job. Duh! I can't tell you how many women I've seen skipping out the office doors, you know, sacrificing their careers while spending time with their kids. That is doing the hardest job in the world, right? I can assure you, though, that most men would be much happier not having some shitty job and staying at home, too. Another duh! So women having jobs is making them miserable. So fucking wh…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 03:01 PM
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I don't want any part of winner-takes-all custody. Both parents have a right to, you know, parent their children.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:03 AM
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Yes, they do. The change from men wanting a "traditional" housewife to an equal partner has been occurring over the last four decades, or so. I saw a recent article (too lazy to find it right now) where some large percentage of men with housewives outright resented their wives lifestyles. Thanks to modern convenience there isn't much to do in the home anymore and people are noticing.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 04:58 AM
1

You know you're arguing with the American equivalent of the Taliban, right?
/r/MensRights24/10/13 01:54 AM
1

Oh, and I'm sure you'd rather we not focus on this post. And exactly what poor conclusions might we reach if we see the traditionalist set, you know people like yourself, actively throwing fathers under the bus? Might we get the idea that the traditionalists have been in lock-step with the feminists for the last hundred years?
/r/MensRights24/10/13 01:53 AM
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Perhaps the signal value cited again and again by men in those roles is that of provider. Here it is again in your post. Robert has insisted on numerous occasions over the last month that men just want to be wallets. In at least a couple blog posts. I am not misrepresenting his opinion. He really believes this stuff and says it over and over again. He claims to have sources on this, btw, but try as you might you won't find anything of the sort. Please find me the source that shows today's young …
/r/MensRights24/10/13 01:15 AM
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Nope. Not biased. Just calling it like I see it. Extremist? That again. So you question NPOs ideology, tactics, and results, after yet another ex-husband from Massachusetts is dealt a raw deal, and you're labeled an extremist. That apparently is the go-to word at NPO. As to your suggestion that I was banned from the comments section, I can only ask what comments section? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. A couple years ago, when Robert's regular blog readers questioned why F&F …
/r/MensRights24/10/13 12:59 AM
1

Please understand me here. I'm sure there are many stand up people over at NPO. Robert is an unbelievable writer and encyclopedia of knowledge. BUT they are, at their very heart, hopelessly traditionalist and sexist. They believe men are wallets and women should be at home with the kids. They believe in alimony and "child" support and marital property. I would love to see Robert's take on this, but it's really hard for me to even know how he and NPO feel about this particular case. As outrageous…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 07:09 PM
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Don't believe anything scumbag "family" law attorneys write or say. They are the worst the world has to offer. He or she is a liar. The study specifically references "instigators" of divorce in the opening paragraph, which gets right to your point. The truth is because women get the kids and the money out of divorce, they tend to initiate or instigate the process. That is the main finding of the study.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 06:49 PM
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Just so everyone knows, this scumbag "family" law attorney, MakhSC, just made it look like the following has something to do with the study. It does not. This is merely the scumbag's feminist commentary about how women are the real victims of marriage. Nice try scumbag. Now go fuck yourself. In most marriages, the husband controls the matrimonial assets and has the higher income. If the couple splits up, he can continue working, earn money, and pay his bills. The wife, often a stay-at-home mom, …
/r/MensRights23/10/13 06:34 PM
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Take the blinders off dungone. F&F has been at this for nearly 20 years in Massachusetts and have done nothing for fathers or families or children. Year after year, good people send them donations, and year-after-year nothing. Well, let's face it, after what this poor Marine is going through it's quite possible we've gone backwards in Massachusetts. Exactly how could it possibly have been worse for him 20 years ago? There's a reason why Robert Franklin took down the comments section on his blog.…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 06:23 PM
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Yep. Sometimes equality hits you pretty damned hard right on your girly nose.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 05:47 PM
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This whole idea that husbands and wives are agreeing that these women stay at home is, frankly, ridiculous. You're very naïve and I can promise you this does not bode well for you in marriage. You will be taken advantage of. It's a good thing you won't mind paying alimony. I hope you have no thought about seeing your kids much after your inevitable divorce, either. When my wife and I got married she agreed to work. Guess what? After nearly 10 years of higher education, mind you, some of which I …
/r/MensRights23/10/13 05:43 PM
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http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/2011/09/26/massachusetts-bill-to-abolish-lifetime-alimony-signed-into-law/ From the link: "The legislation also allows judges more flexibility to make determinations based on a family’s specific circumstances." There's a big fucking oops, don't you think? So, F&F signed on to legislation that gave judges the flexibility they need to fuck men over based on whatever the fuck they feel like. And that is exactly what this judge did. https://www.nationalparentsorgani…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 05:32 PM
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"When you enter a marriage contract, you wife does have a right to half your income, that's what marriage is." Yes, that's what is. Thank you! At least you're not under the fairytale notion that marriage is about living happily ever after, or God, or any number of other popular delusions. It's welfare for women. And there is no requirement whatsoever for an ex-housewife to continue household chores after the marriage is over. In fact these women have no obligation post-divorce at all. Breadwinni…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 05:08 PM
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Go to NPOs website. They supported this laughable "reform" and hailed it as a success. It's all on their own website. And you couldn't read this part? edit: "Overwhelmingly, men who are fathers and husbands see their core value as that of the breadwinner, the one who provides the house, the food, the clothing, the schooling, the medical care for his wife and children." Robert Franklin This is taken directly from a Robert Franklin blog post on the NPO website.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:53 PM
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I like how you say "can" here. As I'm sure you know our "family" courts are far from gender-neutral when it comes to handing out alimony judgments. And child custody judgments. And "child" support judgments. And marital property judgments. Please tell me what the fuck your point is. I don't get it. Are you suggesting to me that I might feel better about alimony when men get it? If so, I can assure you I don't.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:50 PM
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Let's face it, she went after him because she was a girl and she thought she could get in at least one shot without repercussion. It goes without saying that if you don't want to be punched don't attack people. He was defending himself. This isn't rocket science.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:39 PM
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There is only one way - DO NOT GET MARRIED.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:16 PM
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This study has been here on r/mensrights for many years now. I believe it's under the "compilation" of links on the side bar. It is well worth the read, so I suggest all do so. Basically what this study shows is that women are much more likely to initiate divorce, and they do so because they get the kids and the $. Although not explicitly stated in the study, it is also true that husbands avoid divorce because they lose the kids and the money. Yet another chance to tell men to NEVER GET MARRIED.…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 03:54 PM
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Or how about we just eliminate marital welfare like alimony and "marital" property? What would be wrong with that? "... then your now ex-wife does deserve some support." There is no inherent right of wives to take the fruits of her husband's labor. That is slavery. There is virtually zero support for fault-based divorce in the free world. Besides that, it's entirely unworkable. That is why it ended many decades ago.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 02:55 PM
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Well, we wouldn't want men to have rights. God forbid! Run for your lives men are asking for rights!!!! You're only asking this question because you believe wives have some inherent "right" to the fruits of her husbands labor. That is slavery my friend. There is simply no God given or natural right for wives to own the fruits of her husband's labor. None. Wives have the right to go out and make their own way in the world, just like most people do.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 12:28 PM
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You're presenting a false choice between having her stay at home or not being able to have kids. Most parents both work. If a woman knows she can't ply you for alimony and marital property upon breakup she'll keep her job. See how that works? And have you ever heard of public welfare? If public welfare is good enough for poor, often minority, women why is it not good enough for suburban housewives? And btw, the way things stand now it is only breadwinners who are sacrificing anything. Those who …
/r/MensRights23/10/13 12:23 PM
1

Robert Franklin believes the core value of men is to be wallets or ATM machines. That does not mesh with promoting shared parenting. It makes no sense at all, actually. In case you're wondering why Fathers and Families has always been ineffectual, herein lies the problem. As Robert Franklin knows full well judges have been ignoring the law for many decades now. It turns out that gender-neutral language written into family law was nothing more than a farce, just like those for statutory rape. New…
/r/MensRights23/10/13 12:13 PM
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Exactly, yes, time with their kids, right? What really drives me crazy about F&F (now NPO) is that their main and explicit purpose is to push for shared parenting upon divorce/separation. So, they believe that men overwhelmingly want to be wallets and their post-separation solution is more physical custody for fathers. It makes NO sense. If men really just want to breadwinning wallets, shouldn't they be happy with the status quo?
/r/MensRights23/10/13 03:48 AM
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As if male judges don't fuck men over in our "family" courts every day. The fact that this particular judge is a woman has nothing to do with "family" court bias. Most "family" court judges are men. According to your logic, then, men should be making out like bandits upon divorce. Hmmm... not so much, right?
/r/MensRights23/10/13 03:13 AM
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What a fucking nightmare. Let me say once again, men, DO NOT GET MARRIED. That is the only way to protect yourself from what is nothing short of modern day slavery. And btw, you have to thank the National Parents Organization, formerly Fathers and Families, at least in part, for these new alimony laws in Massachusetts. This is the conservative/traditionalist "father's rights" group that believes men overwhelmingly desire to be wallets in their relationships with their wives and their kids. They …
/r/MensRights23/10/13 01:32 AM
3

Welcome! One thing - there are very few actual custody "battles" out there. They are mostly one-sided slaughters.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 06:38 PM
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And this is frankly why it has been, and will continue to be, so hard for men's and father's groups to make progress. From my experience some women certainly believe in shared parenting post divorce FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S KIDS. Not for their own. Give up physical time? And "child" support? And the power this brings over your ex? Yah right.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 06:31 PM
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Alimony ISN'T being reformed, at least not in any meaningful way. Why, because it negatively affects so few women. Sure, there is rabble rousing about the issue and I can assure you the thoughts of men on this are largely being ignored. This battle is being fought by financially dependent wives and ex-wives against working women who are alimony obligors and the new wives of alimony obliging husbands. The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of the financially dependent, you know "the victims", an…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:40 PM
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Or, because we're in the year 2013, not 1813 or 1913, women can just stay in the workforce if they don't want to be left destitute. Which, btw, is what most women do now, anyway. For those who still can't make it there is, and pretty much always has been in the last couple centuries, public welfare.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:25 PM
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"No business person in their right mind would agree to a partnership agreement in which the other person could pull the plug at any time and walk away. That's not a commitment." Yep. And that's the whole problem with marriage. Let's first be clear about one thing, modern legal marriage has NEVER been a business partnership. Even under the gender-neutral language we have today women were never actually legally bound to do anything. Modern marriage has simply been a benefit for women. The legal an…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:06 PM
1

I knew we'd see eye-to-eye on something eventually, but then you went haywire with that last sentence. People change. And marriage provides incentives to fake it until you can cash in. Here's an idea. Get government out of marriage. Problem solved.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 10:51 PM
1

Yep. I say the same thing all the time about Nicole Brown-Simpson. I still feel bad for Ron Goldman and his family. Wrong place at the wrong time. But I have no sympathy for Nicole and her family. So you take a man's kids and ply him for $25,000 a month in support? Fuck you! She had it coming. Sometimes pigs get slaughtered.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:14 PM
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Thank you. Very well put.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:11 PM
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You guys can go off on this being some troll, but the answer is most definitely YES.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:06 PM
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Check out the side bar. From there you'll literally have access to hundreds studies, blog posts, stats, etc.
/r/MensRights15/10/13 01:26 AM
1

Get a job.
/r/MensRights13/10/13 06:44 PM
3

A slave can dream his master gets run over by a bus. That's the only hope some of us have.
/r/MensRights13/10/13 01:18 AM
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The house-spouse could have just had a job that whole time. Really, if you don't want to be left destitute keep your job/career. Some people want to make this a complicated matter, but it's really quite simple.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 06:31 PM
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There are NO housewives who are unpaid. All of them are compensated. The breadwinner pays all their bills, pays for their activities, vacations, everything. Once the marriage is over the gravy train should stop.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:52 PM
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"Marrying the right person" has always been the biggest fools game around. Tell me, if you have to marry the "right" person, you know, someone who won't destroy you because she can, then why on earth would you get married in the first place? It's obvious, is it not, that staying single is the correct course to take?
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:49 PM
2

If you think our "family" courts have anything to do with good intentions you're kidding yourself.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:43 PM
0

As to your last question, you can pray your ex gets hit by a bus and hope for the best. Does cancer run in her family? And, yes, I'm serious. Her passing is your only way out of this.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:42 PM
1

Exactly. The truth is the modern day care, with minimal adult supervision where kids learn how to interact with their peers, is much more analogous to the way kids have always been "brought up" than the modern day stay-at-home arrangement. There is simply no evidence, whatsoever, that helicopter parenting is good for kids. By all accounts these stay-at-home arrangements are mainly for the benefit of the stay-at-home parent. No job, spend time with your kids, someone else pays all your bills, and…
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:32 PM
1

Staying at home with your kids is not a sacrifice no matter how you want to stretch the definition of sacrifice. The ones who sacrifice their lives are the breadwinners who need to hold down an actual job, and then, because of that, when she files for divorce get financially destroyed in our so-called "family" courts. Please stop parroting feminist/traditionalist nonsense about what it means to "sacrifice". In my 25 years in the workforce I can't tell you how many women I've seen skip out the of…
/r/MensRights12/10/13 04:24 PM
0

I think the promise of lifetime, fulfilling monogamy is a pipe dream for most people. I just don't think we humans (or any other animals) are really suited for that. That's not to say that this lifestyle wouldn't work for some people. I certainly believe that for many people some limited time of exclusivity is much more doable and attainable.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:49 AM
1

It's funny you say that. I remember when Hulk Hogan got wiped out in his divorce he went on Larry King to talk about it. The tease going into the show was that he learned a lot and wanted to tell people about his experience. So, I thought this was going to be a good opportunity for some exposure on the topic. I was wrong. He found Jesus!
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:40 AM
0

Yep. 10% happy. When you think about it we have no reason to expect better odds. The reality is, throughout history, in whatever form marriage took, there have always been extreme penalties for divorce, including a trip to hell. Marriage is very much cult-like in this respect. Why? Well, I argue it's because our ancestors wanted out, too.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:33 AM
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"DO NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN!" You can't stop her. If she wants to stay at home she will. End of story.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:27 AM
0

FYI Please don't let the 50% divorce rate fool you about your chance for a happy marriage. Your odds are much worse than that. The number of miserable couples who stay married until death do they part is mind-boggling. My brother's counselor he had while going through his divorce told him she thought that about 10% of married couples were truly happy. She was serious. The whole idea of lifetime, legal marriage is simply a disaster.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:24 AM
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My brother's counselor he had while going through his divorce told him she thought that was about 10%. She was serious. The whole idea of lifetime, legal marriage is simply a disaster.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:19 AM
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Why don't these laws change? Because people hate men. Even men hate men. You have feminism to thank for that, btw. I have actually given up on the whole idea of reform. Sure, that's where I was when I first found the men's and father's movement several years ago. But it's been clear to me for some time now that the damage runs so deep it will take MANY decades to undo. I'm in my mid 40s and I certainly don't see much happening in my lifetime. This is why it's so important to preach avoidance to …
/r/MensRights12/10/13 03:15 AM
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Just don't get married. Seriously, that is the ONLY way to protect yourself.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 07:33 PM
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No. There's something very wrong with a culture that treats breadwinners as disposable commodities and housewives as victims. Slave culture indeed!
/r/MensRights11/10/13 07:03 PM
0

The "rights" you're referring to are state INDUCEMENTS to get you to marry, not benefits of marriage. It's all actually quite evil when you think about it.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 07:01 PM
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No way. Don't fall for that. As I've written dozens of times before here on r/mr, if you think you need a pre-nup to protect yourself from marriage why would you do it in the first place?
/r/MensRights11/10/13 06:59 PM
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"Killilea, who was divorced after a 25-year marriage, said it's not easy for stay-at-home mothers in their 50s and 60s to resurrect their careers after being homemakers for decades. It's women like that, who have been out of the workplace for years while raising a family, who need to be protected, she says." What a pathetic excuse for a human being. Tough shit. Don't stop working princess and you'll be able to pay for your own shit. To be sure, it's breadwinners who need to be protected from thi…
/r/MensRights11/10/13 05:16 PM
0

That's a fairytale. That's no way for a man to consider his future well-being.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 05:06 PM
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There is still no reason to marry her. Especially once she has kids, she'll probably quit working and then you've completely lost control of your life. She and the government own you. Listen, I can understand why ignorant young men get married. They're just not aware of the pitfalls. What I don't get is men who, once they understand the system, still try to find reasons/excuses to get married. It makes no sense to me. The explicit purpose of marriage is to take the husbands property and income a…
/r/MensRights11/10/13 03:05 PM
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"... as long as you make them strong enough that a judge won't overrule them." That is for fools.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 02:57 PM
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I don't have time to go into this deeply, but you have to ask yourself that if you really need a pre-nup to protect yourself from this sort of financial ass raping WHY WOULD YOU GET MARRIED in the first place? There is simply nothing in modern marriage for men these days. It is all downside. Just don't do it.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 02:16 PM
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Sorry. "My wife never worked a day in our marriage, even though we agreed she would when we married. " This happened to me, too. There is simply nothing you can do (legally) to stop mom from not working. This shit happens all the time. I've been writing about this for four years now here on r/mensrights. Obviously, all the support mechanisms we have in place for wives/mothers is a huge incentive for them to gold-dig and mooch. And they do it. Men who are reading this, please know that, in Americ…
/r/MensRights11/10/13 02:14 PM
0

WRONG. "Child" support is mommy support.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 02:05 PM
0

"Margie Johnson, who's been a stay-at-home mom for 24 years with seven kids, says staying home has fulfilled her more than anything else could. "It's the most rewarding 'career' you could ever have," she says. "You're irreplaceable to your child, ..." " This says everything. So, who exactly is stay-at-home parenting for, Margie or her kids? Margie. I rest my case. I've seen the one study mentioned in the first link before. It's a real hoot. So, one of the major findings is that these kids in con…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 05:28 PM
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The benefit of having the wife/mother at home was always an economic one. She was not home because of some ideology or half-baked social science about the "best interest of children". People needed to survive as best they could, and, considering the amount and type of work at home, it was just common sense for mom to work in the house. Yes, I know the feminists think they somehow liberated women and sent them into the workforce. It's all bullshit. The horse and buggy, the oil lamp, and the house…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 03:15 PM
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You can huff and puff all you want moonbat traditionalist. You're exactly what's wrong with the men's movement. If housewives really were a valuable asset they would pay for themselves. They just don't thanks to modern convenience. Progress is removing housewives from the home. You can long for the 1950s all you want we're not going back there. Get over it.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 02:33 AM
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Laws are based off common practices? WTF
/r/MensRights09/10/13 02:27 AM
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You have no idea what modern legal marriage really is. You're searching for what is "fair" in a system that was never supposed to be fair to men. Marriage is NOT a business contract. Modern marriage has always been a one-way street that provides benefits to women and obligations to men. To be clear, there is only one reason government inserted itself into marriage. The explicit purpose of marriage is for the government to take property and money from men and give it to women. In other words, mar…
/r/MensRights08/10/13 04:42 PM
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There is simply no evidence, whatsoever, that the role of housewife is good for anyone. The housewife is a relic from previous times where it was economically beneficial to have someone stay at home. Thanks to modern convenience housewifing is just not economically feasible. What was once an asset to the family is now a burden. The simple truth is most families do perfectly fine without someone staying at home. This isn't that hard. As for relationship risk, yes, marriages with stay-at-homes ten…
/r/MensRights08/10/13 01:58 PM
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I'm not sure I know what putting women in the default again means. Surely you know that most women in the world, even married ones with children, work and maintain employment. For those who are unprepared for the real world, public welfare programs are ubiquitous. If marital welfare would go away today these women would be covered by public welfare. Let's face it, marital welfare is causing the dependency of the housewife in the first place. If we didn't have it these women would just work. And …
/r/MensRights08/10/13 01:49 PM
0

Have you wondered how anything in the world gets done without housewives?
/r/MensRights08/10/13 04:43 AM
0

And what if she leaves you? Husbands/fathers with minor children almost never initiate divorce.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 03:10 AM
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"I'm not sure why he is that fucked about the whole thing." He earned it.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 03:06 AM
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Honestly, for men, marriage is for idiots. Pre-nups are for your town's certifiable village idiots. Let's face it, if you need a pre-nup to protect yourself WHY would you get married in the first place? That makes NO sense. Anyone who KNOWS marriage is for fucking men over and does it anyway is really the stupidest of the stupid.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 03:02 AM
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You may not be aware of the fact that husbands/fathers rarely initiate divorce when minor children are present. Divorce in the situation you're describing is almost always the wife's doing. So, exactly how is it not the raw end of the deal for husbands and fathers to make the very real sacrifice of taking on the financial responsibility of a household and then wife throws him out of the house, keeps the kids, and then grabs the marital property, alimony, "child" support, part of his pension, his…
/r/MensRights08/10/13 02:57 AM
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No. I very much see the current system as a combination of traditionalism and feminism. That is, men are slaves to their wives. And as men began to figure out our "ball-and-chain" marital system and opted out government began plugging up their welfare system with ever more arcane notions like "child" support, imputed income, wage garnishment, etc. There is nothing so special about pretty, suburban, college-girl housewives (and that's who we're talking about here), that they should each get a leg…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:08 PM
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I'm working right now. Or, at least, I'm supposed to be working. So, any type of lengthy response is not possible right now. I don't even really care enough to persuade you in any event. I will say that you have blinders on in terms of who the collectivists are and who they care about. Feminists and traditionalists, collectively the crazies, have been responsible for gender matters over the last 100 years. Not surprisingly they have used government, you know, the good people to you, to declare t…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 06:47 PM
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I can't stand this bullshit. If you don't think the golddiggers/moochers/thieves aren't the REAL winners in marriage you must be an idiot.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 06:00 PM
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Now you've REALLY lost me. What does atheism have to do with this?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:54 PM
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You're the one who came prepared. You tell me.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:39 PM
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But we've had democracy in the U.S. for over a couple hundred years and your human rights utopia hasn't panned out. What happened?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:27 PM
2

So, if a wife denies her husband sex for 2, 3, 5 years, whatever, you still lose respect for the cheater? Life is MUCH more complicated than what your simple proclamation can cover. Anyway, get screwed how? Yes, if you believe a wife should be able to own her husband and have claim on his future income, then she could get screwed. This reminds me of the argument the slave owners in the U.S. made in the 1800s leading up to emancipation. They were perfectly willing to give up their slaves if the g…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:26 PM
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I think government via Human Rights collectively agreed on indeed has a very important roll to play. Who, exactly, is in this collective you propose, and, exactly, whose human rights are they concerned with?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:12 PM
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You're confusing libertarianism with corporate socialists. The republican party is largely made up of people who describe themselves as small government, but are constantly peddling corporate welfare. Most Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. are socialists of some sort. There are very few true libertarians.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:29 PM
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This happens in the U.S. also guys. In fact, most husbands married to housewives are broke. They may not realize it, but they're broke, nonetheless. If you add up the net worth take by these women, which can be 70% (if you get off with 50% you're lucky), plus the various spousal support arrangements (alimony, "child" support, etc.), breadwinners are perpetually in the red. And, BTW, this isn't going to change anytime soon. The only way to avoid this slavery (yes, I wrote slavery) is to avoid mar…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:22 PM
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So you basically see him as a criminal then? Most criminals are given far lighter sentences than this. What if she had cheated? Nothing? The only problem is in most U.S. states and the rest of the western world divorce has been decriminalized. "Fault" divorce hasn't been around for many decades. Outside of "fault", what is the justification? There is no way she could have ever accumulated this kind of wealth on her own. Isn't this just mooching?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:18 PM
0

Sarcasm?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:13 PM
0

That worthless golddigger took the kids and was looting him for $25 grand a month in "support". No sympathy from that jury. That verdict was a case of jury nullification, plain and simple.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 02:05 PM
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O.J. just did it himself.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 02:20 AM
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For the uninitiated I know this will come as a shock, but what happened in this marriage is the purpose of marriage. She is supposed to get the house, the nice car, the money, etc. When you sign up for marriage, you are signing away your financial security. The fruits of your labor are hers. The ONLY way to protect yourself from marriage is to NOT GET MARRIED. Believe me, there's no woman hot enough, "nice" enough, whatever enough for modern marriage. It's just bad deal for men. Period.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 02:18 AM
1

Pennsylvania
/r/MensRights06/10/13 02:10 AM
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Guys, I can't stress this enough. You must not date single moms! True story: A guy I know was dating a single mom for a year or two. He broke up with her. She sued for "child" support ... and WON. This is not a joke. The kid was about four years old when the decision came down.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 01:26 PM
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NPO is a pro-alimony advocacy group and unapologetically so. How can it be misleading to say that? You can defend their "advocacy" all you want. It doesn't change anything. The organization is hopelessly "traditionalist". They pine for the days of fault divorce. They're pro-alimony. They're pro-"child" support. They're pro-marital property. Every day they reinforce the mother as helpless victim, father as wallet narrative that has destroyed fathers for the last century. In some important ways th…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 03:44 PM
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This is not a new position for NPO (F&F). They have always supported alimony. This is from the F&F website: "Fathers and Families believes that alimony is sometimes appropriate, such as in cases where one spouse has significantly sacrificed his or her earning ability in order to care for children. However, family courts are rife with abuses and injustices in awarding alimony/spousal support and in dividing divorcing couples' assets." They supported the last round of alimony "reforms" in Massachu…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:46 PM
0

I haven't e-mailed Robert on this specific bill, but I don't know why that matters. NPO (not Robert that I recall) declared this legislation a success in a post within the last few months and again with the post I linked. I hardly see what I'm doing as throwing them under the bus. There are literally thousands, if not millions, of fathers out there desperate for help inside our "family" law system, and NPO devotes scarce resources making sure women will be provided for in divorce. I don't get it…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 06:01 AM
0

Such is alimony. I'm not sure what I'm more disgusted about. Alimony forms as indenture, as in indentured servant. Or that the people at NPO make a distinction between alimony and spousal maintenance. I know a euphemism when I see it.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 05:48 AM
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I've e-mailed him quite a few times on this alimony issue, and other issues, as well. He has made it very clear that he believes alimony should be awarded in very limited circumstances. For example, when there's a disability involved. Now, I don't believe alimony should be awarded at all. I think public welfare and disability programs are the right answer for dependent ex spouses. But I have to believe Robert doesn't support this bill. Keep in mind that I don't believe men's and father's groups …
/r/MensRights01/10/13 05:33 AM
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But in marriage his money IS your money. Any "family" court judge will tell you that. Anyway, there's a part of me that wants to say good for you for wanting to make your own way in the world. On the other hand, you sound a lot like my wife did 25 years ago. Big talker. As soon as she popped out the baby her claims of "I don't need a man to take care of me" were over. That was replaced by "if you don't like me not working you can leave and I'll take our daughter". Just know that the prospect of …
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:50 AM
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You do realize Rehabilitative Spousal Maintenance is alimony, right? And you do realize alimony and other spousal support systems have been gender neutral for decades now, right? judges just ignore that. Robert Franklin has written about this very thing. This bill won't do anything about judicial bias. And you do know a "reasonable" amount of time under this bill could mean 20 years, right? I fail to see how standardizing alimony awards is good for men. You'd have to explain that to me. Bad for …
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:42 AM
1

Isn't some of this just about personal preferences? Some people like Coke and some like Pepsi and some like Orange Juice, etc. No one organization is going to work for everyone. Pepsi drinkers don't try to change Coke. They just drink Pepsi. If AVFM doesn't work for you that's OK. There are definitely father's and men's groups that don't work for me.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:27 AM
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Thank you for NOTICING my posts.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:17 AM
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I'm not aware of any statistics that show this.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:15 AM
-1

Why?
/r/MensRights01/10/13 03:31 AM
0

You have NO chance of attaining your goals if nobody knows you exist.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 03:18 AM
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Or maybe there's no such thing as bad publicity.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 02:40 AM
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I wrote it that way so people would notice the post and we could have a discussion. See how that works?
/r/MensRights01/10/13 02:08 AM
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And lost.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 02:00 AM
0

Huh?
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:58 AM
1

Sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about. This all seems pretty personal for some people.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:57 AM
5

What does opinion policing mean? I can't believe you're making a huge stink over Paul Elam and AVFM and agree with 95% of the content. No one is going to agree 100% with everything. Maybe it's you who has the problem.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:50 AM
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Changing laws hasn't done jack shit for fathers and their children. You surely know that gender-neutral language has permeated family law all across the west for at least 5 decades to NO avail. The courts have simply ignored the concept of gender neutrality. Robert Franklin has written about this extensively. I have a great deal of respect for the people at F&F. I have said that over and over. But their strategy hasn't produced tangible results. What they're doing hasn't worked in the past and i…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:39 AM
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The point of my post is to help explain the STRATEGY of AVFM. It's based on the cutting edge of marketing in today's world. If you haven't already, watch the Ted Talk I linked to. We must be REMARKABLE or no one will care. It may not be the only way to proceed for the men's movement, but it's undeniable that the approach is WORKING.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:20 AM
5

Exactly! People are noticing there's a men's movement. The AVFM strategy WORKS.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:04 AM
1

And it's working. That's what it's all about.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 01:00 AM
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That's just not true. The "nice guy" approach has been tried for DECADES and has failed. That's REALITY. If we 're going to get anywhere people have to actually know the men's movement exists. AVFM is doing that.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 12:53 AM
0

So how long has F&F been around and mother's still get custody 87% of the time? Which is the exact same percentage as 20 years ago. You call that progress?
/r/MensRights30/09/13 10:01 PM
3

Not sure if you watched the Ted Talk I linked to, but being "too brash" IS the best way to spread the message. You have to be in people's faces or they just won't care. Believe it or not, the men's movement has been around for decades and has gotten NOWHERE. It's really hard to imagine organizations like Father's and Families have been around for two decades pushing father's rights and shared parenting and there has been virtually NO progress on this front.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:59 PM
1

Couldn't agree more. The alternative approach has been the "gentlemanly" one, which has simply failed miserably. As much as I like the people at Fathers and Families their "nice guy" approach has gone nowhere. Fathers just keep losing their kids. The whole change to "National Parents Organization" was their white flag moment. IMO they're done.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:43 PM
1

Thanks for all your work.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:18 PM
3

OK.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:14 PM
1

Saw Men's Rights Edmonton on it and thought you were affiliated with them.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:59 PM
0

Yep. I'm going to do an AVFM post about this. Hopefully it doesn't get buried.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:32 PM
2

"... for a lot of woman that IS what it is about now." And they are wrong. Feminism has NOTHING to do with equality. You're answer to all this ignorance, let's pretend feminism is about equality, rings hollow with me.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:31 PM
2

"And, err, why would the state have a vested interest in "keep[ing] up their wife's standard of living" any more than they would anniversary cards?" You're really killing me with the patriarchy bit, but I'm betting you're a pretty thoughtful person. When you get a chance go to Amazon.com and search on the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. You can read the introduction online. This introduction will answer your question.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:01 PM
-1

I need to do an AVFM post. There REALLY is a purpose to what they're doing. And it's WORKING!
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:53 PM
-1

Love the poster TB! This is EXACTLY what the men's movement needs to be doing. This is what drives traffic to the movement. Boring, safe, and polite gets us nowhere.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:43 PM
-2

I love it. You can get behind the do-nothing crowd if you like, but that won't be me.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:37 PM
0

Because she IS the cause. If you think feminism is about "equality" stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:36 PM
8

No. Wives are slave owners and husbands are slaves. Single men are free.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:33 PM
27

Modern marriage has always been compared to slavery. I'm sure you're aware of the phrase "ball-and-chain", right? That phrase doesn't mean the Mrs. won't let you go out Friday night with the boys. It's a direct reference to slavery. It means your wife owns you. And, for most breadwinners especially, she does. More so if you have minor children. In fact, why do you think the states are involved in marriage in the first place? It's not so they can send you anniversary cards. The explicit purpose o…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:12 PM
-2

You're talking about a different issue. Yes, as I've been writing about here for almost four years now, stay-at-home dads do NOT get treated like housewives in divorce. Husbands/fathers should NEVER stay at home. That doesn't change the obvious - men should never marry housewife material. Well, men should NEVER marry at all, but, if you're too stupid to follow that advice, not marrying a housewife is essential. To be clear, though, you won't really know if your wife plan's on soaking you for the…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 06:52 PM
-1

Believe me, I knew the downvotes were coming when I wrote that. It's happened MANY times before. I do know that, for many women, even college girls, their entire future depends on marriage, marital property, alimony, "child" support, etc. They simply have no intention of working, let alone having careers. There have even been studies and articles about women at Stanford and Harvard (one recently re: female Harvard MBA students) that show most of these potentially high-achieving women are simply …
/r/MensRights30/09/13 06:41 PM
1

I'd love to see a citation for that, but, in any event, if she's working at least you stand a chance of not going broke in the divorce. If a housewife divorce's you, you're absolutely finished. She owns you. Even in marriage, you would be AMAZED how housewives can throw around threats of leaving to control you. There's nothing like threats of lifetime alimony to keep a man in his place.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 03:40 PM
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Thank you. Exactly right. With regard to households, we pretend the breadwinner has some power over the housewife because of his earning power. The exact opposite is true. Housewives hold enormous power over breadwinners because of their "taking" power in divorce. Seriously, at the southern plantation 200 years ago, who had the power? The workers? Or the owners?
/r/MensRights30/09/13 03:35 PM
8

I really don't believe the 60%. It has to be much higher. Consider that if you're married to a housewife, she basically controls your entire net worth, whatever that might be. If she divorces you she gets the house, at least 50% of the marital assets, plus alimony, plus "child" support, plus part of your 401(k)/pension, etc. Anyone who can do elementary school math can add it all up and see these women clearly control 100% of the household's wealth.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 03:31 PM
3

Don't marry a woman who works? Are you kidding? Marrying a housewife in America is the most destructive thing a man can do to himself.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 02:54 PM
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The reason she doesn't want to marry him with a pre-nup is there's no point in it for her. Duh! What do you think marriage is for? And fuck your little alimony screed in the second paragraph. Don't worry your little brain about this. It's the unemployable and worthless housewives who are throwing their husbands out of the house in these scenarios. Thanks to the worry over broke housewives, we end up with broke manslaves. Sheer genius on your part. You're a great thinker.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 12:41 PM
0

The old "pick the right girl" argument for marriage, huh? Honestly, that is just delusional. To pick someone to literally control your future in the first place is absurd. Why not control your own future? To think you can pick the right person who, in essence, will prove merciful is ridiculous. I can assure you that the power given women in our "family" courts is simply intoxicating. Absolute power corrupts absolutely in case you haven't heard. I doubt most young men getting married today have a…
/r/MensRights29/09/13 03:28 PM
1

I've been here on r/mensrights for almost four years now and I don't remember reading a clearer version of exactly what has been going on. I would only add that, I believe, in our "blame the men" culture many men do feel embarrassed and ashamed upon divorce. It's not enough that we took his children, his property, and his future earnings, society then tells him he brought it upon himself. He should have picked better (ugh). Often these men stay silent, even possibly believing they brought all of…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 10:57 PM
-1

I have a ton of respect for Robert Franklin and to say I appreciate his service to all parents and children would be a massive understatement. At the same time, though, I believe the strategy behind what F&F (now NPO) does is deeply flawed, has never amounted to much, and will NEVER amount to much. This focus on the "best interest of children" is a loser. The focus on "social science" (puke) is wrong. Until NPO starts fighting for "rights", instead of peddling "social science", fathers and their…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 05:47 PM
2

Maybe tax breaks. MAYBE. But fuck if that is worth all of the trouble and headaches that go along with marriage. My God don't fall for the tax break scam. This is one of the state's ways of INDUCING you to marry. Get it?
/r/MensRights27/09/13 05:20 PM
1

Some hospitals store semen for in vitro procedures and I'm sure they'll do it for men getting snipped, too. Note that doctors can also literally pull semen out of your scrotum with a syringe if it came to that. A little painful, but not a big deal. However, just note that the only way you should have kids is through a surrogate. The only thing worse than marriage/divorce is our child custody/child support laws. If baby mama is involved, in most U.S. jurisdictions, fathers have virtually no enfor…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:01 PM
2

So your advice for men here on r/mr is to ignore that our "family" courts are stacked against you and get married anyway? Really? Marriage in America makes men wealthy? Even though most married American men are for all intents and purposes broke? Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights27/09/13 12:51 PM
2

Folks, we have an "innocent spouse" law here in 2013 in the United States of America that lets women off the hook for federal tax fraud or failure to pay. I'm guessing the defense in these cases is the helpless woman, cry if you have to, and blame the man routine. Works every time.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:57 AM
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I like to think if men REALLY new the true nature of marriage, and you describe it perfectly, the marriage rate would go to zero overnight. I just don't think men understand what they're getting into. I certainly didn't.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:52 AM
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Not trying to stir you up, but, for the benefit of readers here, I wonder if your parents are really happily married. I mean, if your dad was so happy would he really tell you to not have kids? Maybe he's seen others have bad experiences? Anyway, my point is young men should not make assumptions about their parents' marriage. More men are lured into their own marriage hell by naively thinking their parents were happy. There's a good chance they weren't even if they remained married. Many husband…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:45 AM
4

Also, there are MANY unhappy marriages that don't end in divorce. Be it financial, religious, or other reasons many unhappy married couples stay together. This is the ugly underbelly of marriage that you just don't see. Anyway, the chances someone has a happy marriage, until death do you part, is absurdly small. While my brother was going through his divorce, his counselor told him that, based on her experience, she thought it was 10%.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:35 AM
0

Which is why the gay community has rushed head-long into legal marriage. Gay couples have experienced the exact same problems straight non-married couples have for decades. AND WHY DO YOU THINK GOVERNMENTS HAVE MADE LIFE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE UNMARRIED???
/r/MensRights26/09/13 04:09 PM
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When you get a chance get on Amazon.com and search the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. You can read the introduction online. The author does a good job of explaining what marriage is, welfare for women, and how we ended up with government-run marriage. It will only take you 5 or 10 minutes to read. The true benefit of legal (civil) marriage is the right afforded wives to their husband's income and property. Legal marriage employs the state's judicial and police powers to force husban…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 03:56 PM
0

No. I'm right. The problem is that we have government-run marriage. The states have simply turned marriage into a welfare program for women. By design, marriage, as we know it today, IS just about money. What you're referring to as "non-financial" benefits are called INDUCEMENTS. They are not benefits. The real purpose of government marriage is to provide for women at the expense of men. Inducements are used to essentially funnel couples, mostly the men, into marriage. The states want men to thi…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 02:32 AM
0

I'm not a lawyer, but I do believe Florida is one of a few states that has a presumption of shared physical custody. I don't know the details. In any event start this process ASAP. If she up and leaves it will make your effort all the more difficult, perhaps impossible
/r/MensRights26/09/13 02:20 AM
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Because you claimed there are a few other reasons, beyond money, to get married. Marriage is only about money. That is not an opinion. The truth is legal marriage is simply a means to transfer money from one spouse, usually the husband, to the other, usually the wife. There's a reason so many men get "taken to the cleaners" in marriage - that's the whole point of it!
/r/MensRights23/09/13 03:22 PM
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You don't know what marriage is.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 02:58 PM
15

Unless you're married to her, or, especially, have kids with her. Then, you need to kiss her ass relentlessly.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 01:56 PM
2

The feminist dehumanization of men worked!
/r/MensRights23/09/13 01:53 PM
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There is simply NO other reason to get married. People not marrying for money just don't know what marriage is.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 01:51 PM
1

Yah, it sounds like you married and procreated with a real winner. Me too!
/r/MensRights22/09/13 02:24 PM
0

I don't know, or even care to know, of any. If YOU want a study that shows men are more prone to violence than women then YOU do the legwork. Why do I get the feeling your parents did your homework for you?
/r/MensRights22/09/13 03:45 AM
0

So, it was YOU who tossed dad out of the house. Now mom and dad can't share housing expenses. That's less money available for the child's expenses. Now who, exactly, is punishing the child?
/r/MensRights22/09/13 03:42 AM
0

For crying out loud there's a summary of domestic violence studies along the sidebar. Are you kidding me?
/r/MensRights22/09/13 03:32 AM
0

Gr8, the available studies simply do NOT back up your conclusion. Domestic violence studies show that men and women commit violent acts at about the same rate. This is a well-known fact. There is simply NO verified causal link that shows men are any more prone to violence than women are. Sorry to bust up your feminist inspired "knowledge" on this subject. Let me guess, you believe in the patriarchy, "wage gap", 1 in 4, etc. myths too, right?
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:17 PM
1

"20% of some crappy salary is not going to do that..." Let me first say that if you don't want to be burdened by child care costs in the way you describe, then either don't sleep with someone making $18,000 a year or get on the pill. We tell men all the time that if they don't want to be stuck with "child" support sans their child, then keep your pants zipped up. I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask women to keep their own pants on if the cost of raising a child is too burdensome. And, reall…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 06:43 PM
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So you have no valid study. That's what I thought. By using raw crime statistics you could claim that black Americans are more prone to violence than white Americans. Are you claiming that, as well? Note that unless you control for various factors, such as poverty, the drug trade, social services, and many other factors, there is NO way to definitively come to your conclusion. I guess as long as you're motive is to demonize men you wouldn't want rational study to get in the way.
/r/MensRights20/09/13 02:22 PM
5

Are there ANY meaningful, scientific, peer-reviewed studies that back up your claim? I don't know. You seem to have "metrics".
/r/MensRights20/09/13 01:20 PM
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Exactly! I was listening to BBC radio the other night and there were two women and two men talking about how men were prone to violence based on raw crime statistics. If they had been saying that about disadvantaged minorities there would have been an uproar. I don't know of any studies, but, surely, when you account for poverty, the drug trade, and other factors the picture would change dramatically. By the way there was no mention that men are more prone to pull your ass out of a burning build…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 01:12 PM
2

The current system IS one size fits all. Mom gets the kids unless she's obviously strung out on drugs and/or alcohol. That's OK, I guess, right? As long as we're destroying the relationships of fathers and their kids, and plying $ out of fathers for so-called "child" support, the system must be working perfectly, right? Presumptive shared parenting is NOT one size fits all. The presumption is that both parents get meaningful physical custody of their children. Parents CAN decide on a different a…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 01:03 PM
1

DevilishRogue has it exactly right. In fact, regarding so-called "child" support, part of these formulas in every state account for mom's housing. And maybe you're not aware of this, but there is NO accounting, whatsoever, that "child" support is actually used for a kid's expenses. "Child" support is just a euphemism for "mom" support. Our "child" support system is simply not necessary in almost all cases. Shared parenting, with each parent paying their share of expenses directly, obviously solv…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 12:53 PM
0

"Child" support is a money grab, folks. To be clear, having men pay women "child" support has NOTHING to do with the best interest of children. It is simply in the best interest of mothers. If we really wanted to create a system for children that would also respect the inherent right of parents to be, you know, parents, we would enact shared parenting and end "child" support entirely.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 07:05 PM
1

You really think a ton of people crave having the government run their personal lives? I don't think so. I think a lot of people, most especially men, have NO idea what role the state plays in marriage. I mean, since we're fed lie after lie about how marriage is about religion, family, and/or living happily ever after how would you know? For sure, all the gold-diggers and moochers who benefit from this system are thankful and "happy" they have "family" court judges and the state police to garnis…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 02:32 PM
0

Where the fuck do you see in this statement, or any other statement I've made here on reddit the last four years, that I support rape and violence? So, if I don't think husbands should be slaves to their wives I support wife beatings and rape? Is that what YOU are saying? Freeing men from marriage is misogyny, right? That you believe civil marriage today, which is government-sponsored slavery, is vastly better than anything is telling. You're either completely ignorant of the millions of victims…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 12:26 PM
1

But don't you see that passing off legal marriage as something that is religious, or about family, or about doing the "right" thing is just a lie? The states do NOT need to be in the relationship business. The states are in marriage to transfer money from men to women. That's the explicit purpose of modern marriage. If a man is getting married these days for any other purpose than handing over his money and property to a woman, he's simply ignorant of what marriage really is.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 12:17 PM
3

The states took over marriage about a century ago. Since then marriage has been nothing more than a state welfare program for women. Husbands are the manslaves with the obligation to pay for everything. State-sponsored marriage cannot make you happy. You need open your mind and see this scam for what it is. A good relationship can make you happy. That will never change.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 12:52 AM
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The idea that people need the government inserted into their personal business to be happy is absurd. Nothing is stopping anyone from having a meaningful, long-term relationship, if that's what you want. You don't need the government's permission or recognition to do that.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 12:46 AM
5

Except that mistakes are made and "willies" ARE being cut off during circumcision procedures. And it lasts. Thousands of years and circumcision is STILL with us. Unfuckingbelievable.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 05:25 PM
0

Thank you. I couldn't have done that better.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:51 PM
-1

All the best to you and your son, Jason. Just know that you're in our thoughts and prayers. Hang in there.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:42 PM
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I don't get what you're saying. Under our "child" support system, custodial parent housing is the responsibility of the non-custodial parent, at least in part. That's how "child" support works. "Child" support formulas account for this. The OP is saying that his ex-wife's housing should be her own responsibility, not his responsibility through "child" support. That makes sense to me. A lot of sense actually. In your mind, how does this not make sense?
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:32 PM
-1

Are you clueless or a feminist? The OP has clearly stated his willingness to take on his son full time. He has no problem, whatsoever, with providing for him. The problem is that, thanks to his "child" support payments, the money is being thrown down the drain of a mooching ex. What don't you get about this? Someday we'll get serious about the well-being of children and end this "child" support nonsense forever. Until then, these mooching dregs of society will continue to steal whatever they can…
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:08 PM
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To be clear, "child" support has NEVER been for children. That is, unless you think grown women are children. It is strictly for the use of the custodial parent, usually women, as they see fit. It has always been this way. The moniker "child" support is, perhaps, the greatest euphemism of all time. But, let's face it, it's not like something called "bitter, mooching, ex-girlfriend support" would have made it. "Child" support is just another form of alimony. That is, it's just another way to tran…
/r/MensRights11/09/13 04:41 AM
-1

If you can read, you know exactly what I'm saying. You just don't want to hear it. Yes. Slavery exists in America today through our so-called "family" courts. It's not that hard to figure out, really. I've been writing about this for years here on r/mr. Please feel free to browse my posts.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 04:33 AM
1

Our "family" courts aren't cool, either. "Family" law is extreme. Sometimes you get extreme outcomes. That's life in America, 2013.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 04:23 AM
0

You have a point to make?
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:32 AM
2

Raise the kid? From death row? Is it really hard to figure out that men really have no legal options in these situations?
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:31 AM
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So when a woman kills a fetus, it's called abortion. No problem. When a man aborts a fetus it's killing your kid. Interesting bit of hypocrisy don't you think?
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:28 AM
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And while we're all waiting for fairness in our "family" courts, the male pill, or "something like that", all the pigs living off this system can go fuck themselves.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 09:30 PM
-1

I've seen pretty much zero support here on r/mr for advocating a legal right for men to force an abortion, period. I'm not sure what you're talking about on that. That said, I have no problem, whatsoever, with our "family" court slaves fighting back any way they can. When you got slaves, you get slave uprisings. That has always been true.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 09:19 PM
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I have no sympathy for anyone involved with our "family" courts, most especially the pigs living off this system. I hope she rots in hell.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 09:09 PM
0

Slavery is wrong. Slavery is fucked up. It's amazing that you're concerned about slipping someone an aspirin more than the outright travesty of our "family" courts. Un-fucking-believable. Get your priorities straight.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 09:03 PM
4

You don't know anything about our "family" courts, do you?
/r/MensRights10/09/13 09:00 PM
5

That's laughable. He would have been extradited back to the U.S. and ultimately ended up in prison anyway.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 08:49 PM
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Just wondering if the fact that he's the son of doctor had anything to do with her wanting to keep the baby? Cha-ching!
/r/MensRights10/09/13 08:20 PM
9

When you back a slave into a corner sometimes they say, yes master, how may I serve you. Other times shit like this happens, or (much) worse. There are no remedies for so-called "family" court slaves in America, so I don't see anything wrong with what he did. There is no way I would have voted to convict him. Jury nullification is OK in these circumstances.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 08:18 PM
3

I honestly don't think you know what you've gotten yourself into. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt your dinner will have anything to do with her being reasonable or wanting equality.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 08:11 PM
3

And under that definition I've been raped dozens of times. I think you would find that, based on this definition, female on male marital rape in America is of staggering proportions. We know that husbands, especially fathers, avoid divorce for fear of losing their children and going broke. Many husbands have sex with their wives just to keep the peace and avoid having their lives even further destroyed.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 03:37 PM
2

Oh, I get it now. You believe that Mother's Day bullshit about how housewives are worth 6 figures a year. FYI that's called benevolent sexism. It's not really true. It's like that whole thing about how being a mom is "the hardest job in the world". Hahahaha... Hire a chef? Really? My wife never cooked like a fucking chef. In fact, I've cooked most of the meals we've eaten at home. I guess she should pay me a chef's salary according to your "logic". There is NO problem whatsoever with men wanting…
/r/MensRights05/09/13 04:26 AM
3

Yep. too late for me, but I'm here trying to warn others. Welcome to the good fight.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 05:41 PM
3

I have a good friend who is gay and he told me there is already hand-wringing over marriage in the gay community. The shit is hitting the fan. Many are wondering what, exactly, they signed up for. The truth is, though, despite the hoopla, the vast majority of gay couples are foregoing marriage anyway.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 05:24 PM
1

It would end state-sponsored gold-digging. For sure, mooching in its various forms will never go out of style.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 05:16 PM
1

You just need to abolish civil (legal) marriage.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 05:04 PM
5

Who is the slave, exactly? In divorce breadwinners are subject to imputing of income, forced labor, wage garnishment, and ultimately prison if they refuse to or can't comply with the support order. They can, of course, run away, but will be hunted down and brought back to their jurisdiction for their criminal wrongdoing. The only way they can truly be free from their ex is to pay the state mandated reparations to their ex. Under "lifetime" alimony, most breadwinners die without ever gaining thei…
/r/MensRights04/09/13 04:52 PM
1

Yes. Avoid marriage. There is simply nothing in it for men
/r/MensRights04/09/13 01:58 PM
3

But the only thing that is keeping these "spouses" (hahahahaha...) financial dependents in the first place is the marital welfare. The marital property, alimony, QDROs, and various other property and money transfer schemes CREATE and ENABLE dependency. It doesn't solve anything. On the contrary, it creates a problem.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 01:54 PM
0

Gold-digging should be illegal? Exactly what do you think modern marriage is for? I mean, why are the states involved in marriage in the first place? I can assure you that the purpose of modern legal marriage is to indeed take money from men and give it to women. A man cannot enter into any legal agreement involving children as a result of a normal birth. That's fantasy. The only way for a man to have kids and actually retain some parenting rights is perhaps through a surrogate.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 01:45 PM
1

I know. If you want to make a an argument FOR marital welfare it's OK to make as many generalizations as you want about the poor abandoned housewives. If you want to deny housewives the privilege of marital welfare then HOW DARE YOU speak up. Anyway, good for you on not getting married again. Just an FYI, the whole tax advantage/insurance thing are governments' way of INDUCING couples into getting married. They are NOT benefits. They're inducements. The explicit benefit of marriage is marital we…
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:01 PM
1

Willing to stay at home? You mean to do "the hardest job in the world", right? Give me a fucking break. I'm married, have been for 20+ years, and my wife has stayed at home, or done light work, for much of that time. She was supposed to work, mind you, but she "changed her mind" after she had our kid. When I protested and urged her to get back in the workforce, she said she would throw me out of the house and "take" our kid if I didn't leave her alone to do what she wanted. Such is the life of h…
/r/MensRights03/09/13 07:11 PM
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First, despite gender-neutral legal language, when it comes to custody, "child" support, marital property, alimony stay-at-home dads are not treated like stay-at-home moms. This disparity has been widely documented. Some family court judges are even on record saying they don't treat men and women equally in their own courtrooms. Secondly, with the decline of marriage do you not realize that MOST relationships in the U.S. and the world do not involve marital welfare? Gay couples have always lived…
/r/MensRights03/09/13 03:44 PM
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If you don't want to be left without money or career upon divorce then DON'T STOP WORKING. Duh! A woman's welfare does not justify the enslavement of a man. It's that simple.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 05:19 AM
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I gave you the cons. I'm not sure why you're pissed off. Anyway, as for the major "pro" I've seen, some are claiming that circumcision reduces your chance for cancer of the penis. A couple things on that. One, when does one really develop cancer in his penis? It certainly doesn't occur in a young person. The boy can decide for himself when he's a man if he has this concern. In any event, this whole cancer argument is ridiculous in the first place. Note that if we didn't have lungs there would be…
/r/MensRights03/09/13 05:04 AM
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If bosses are taking more precautions with woman then they're not doing the same work as men, right? The OP is NOT saying ALL. Death "rate" implies an average.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 03:16 AM
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There are no pros! This isn't that complicated. There is NO rational reason to cut at a baby boy's penis. The biggest risks are death, loss of the organ entirely, deformed penis, loss of function. Without a doubt, loss of function is hardly a risk since that one is an absolute certainty. But, what the fuck, he's just a boy. It's not like he's important or anything like girls are. (sarcasm)
/r/MensRights03/09/13 03:12 AM
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What is that point?
/r/MensRights03/09/13 02:59 AM
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I honestly have no idea how your reply relates to my comment. I don't get it.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 02:44 AM
3

She could GET A JOB. What's wrong with a girl getting a job? This is the most ridiculous series of comments I've seen here on r/mr. There is simply no justification for enslaving men to women. None. Have you ever heard that the end does not justify the means?
/r/MensRights03/09/13 02:36 AM
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Really, if you just read the introduction of that book online you'll get the main point of what I'm trying to get across to you (and others). Reading the whole thing wouldn't kill you, though. Anyway, please read and re-read what I'm about to tell you very carefully: Not all bad, even awful, even abusive, marriages end in divorce. Please don't think for a second that even a 50% divorce rate comes close to describing how big a failure marriage really is. As bad as divorce is, you're not seeing mu…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 08:42 PM
1

"Show some documented sources that prove the marriage is meant as a means for a women to take money and property from a man. Its not meant for that. It can happen based on how it is set up..." Why the fuck do you think it's set up that way????? Do you think it's an accident when ex-husbands get raked over the coals or taken to the cleaners? Go to Amazon.com and search for the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. You can read the introduction of her book online. Do this, btw, only if you'r…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 07:08 PM
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And here is chavelah, again, selling marital slavery to men here on r/mensrights. How many men's lives must be destroyed before you're happy?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:58 PM
1

It's not a fucking gamble you idiot. It's called highway robbery. That you don't know the difference is tragic.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:57 PM
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When you come here on r/mr next time make sure you put your fucking big boy pants on. You've been treated like shit? You have NO fucking idea what some people here have been through with their own and/or a friend's/family member's situation. Marriage and "family" court is ugly business and people have their lives destroyed over it. If you can't take it get your fucking sniveling little feelings out of here and go fuck yourself. This I can assure you - with regard to marriage you are your town's …
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:29 PM
1

Give me a break. I've seen this before. Her new "husband" is undoubtedly every bit the moocher she is. I wouldn't go near her and you wouldn't, but that doesn't mean there aren't myriad men out there ready to sponge off a man as soon as he gets a chance.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:05 PM
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I've been here on r/mr for several years now. On occasion I re-post a story about how my cousin sued her ex-boyfriend for "child" support for someone else's kid ... and won. He broke up with her and she made him pay. That's how America works these days.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:02 PM
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Calm down, Mr. Taliban. I've seen some pretty draconian sentences and prison terms handed down over the years for both men and women in "sex" cases. We should have equality in sentencing for these things, but let's not go overboard and use the normal "male" standard.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 05:18 PM
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Most men simply can't succumb to depression in normal every day life. They need to wake up and go to work, after all. Most of these women on anti-depressives are stay-at-homes who can afford to lay around in bed all day.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 05:03 PM
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Well, of course, she's not marrying her new man so she can keep sponging off her ex. Your problem is that you think marriage has any value beyond what it really is. Marriage is a cold and brutal form of slavery. It is designed simply to take money and property from men and give it to women. Men who hide their money from this theft or refuse to work to pay off their marital debt are imprisoned. Marriage has NO value beyond this explicit purpose. Get your head out of the clouds, or stop smoking we…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 04:58 PM
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It's not hypocrisy. It's sexism.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:35 PM
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What are you talking about? She values her ex's money and her new man. Taking her ex's money devalues her relationship with her new man? In what way?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:25 PM
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There is no common law marriage in California. It doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:23 PM
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I must say, folks, that this is EXACTLY how modern marriage is supposed to work. I know it is absurdly shocking to think that, but, according to the explicit purpose of modern marriage, nothing is wrong here. The whole point of marriage is to take money and property from husbands and give it to wives. Once you marry her, you are legally responsible to provide for her, for at least some amount of time. I know we have fancy names for these $ transfers like marital property and alimony, but it's al…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:21 PM
1

The reason we don't have more shared parenting in America, and across the "civilized" western world is because women just don't want it. That's it. Seriously, if women wanted shared parenting we would already have it.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 09:50 PM
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This is fantastic. I had no idea this organization existed. All the best to LW4SP!!! That said, we need to get real about this. That statistic about 80 or 90% of women wanting shared parenting may be true, WHEN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEIR OWN CHILDREN. The truth is we don't need a legal presumption of shared parenting to get shared parenting situations. EVERY DIVORCING/SEPARATING MOTHER IN AMERICA HAS THE CHOICE TO SHARE PARENTING RESPONSIBILITIES. They just choose not to do so overwhelmingly.…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 09:43 PM
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I really wonder if ANYONE outside of feminist thugs believe the 1 in 4 or 5 stat, let alone 2 in 3. I mean, no right-minded parent would send his or her daughter to a school if her chance of being RAPED were so high. The numbers are literally unbelievable.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 09:24 PM
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As well intentioned as he and others, like the people at Fathers and Families, have been, their nice-guy approach has been entirely ineffectual. At the pace we're going fathers will finally have a right to see their kids in maybe 200 years. That's no exaggeration, either. Nice guys finish last. Period.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 02:46 AM
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Grab a bag of chips and a beer and just enjoy the show. Don't bother trying to refute anything. There is no point in it. The truth is most people hate men. Those who don't will visit avfm.com and learn for themselves.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 07:17 PM
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"... enslave men." Yep. They don't call it the "ball-and-chain" for nothing.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 07:30 PM
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No. Seriously, modern, legal (civil), marriage is FOR women. This is NOT an opinion. The purpose of our states regulating marriage is to protect and enhance the welfare of women. Men, that is husbands, are the payers. In other words, marriage is a welfare program for women. If you're really interested in understanding this, when you get a chance, get on Amazon.com and read the Introduction to the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. You can read it online.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 07:20 PM
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You're underestimating the number of men in the world who revel in their sacrifice to womanhood. I know these men, and they would take your statement at face value and think, yes, that's what being a man is all about.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 07:15 PM
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What people really don't understand is that husbands are supposed to be doormats. Remember that marriage is literally FOR women. Men are the sacrifices.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 04:24 PM
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You really need to add "/s" to this. Believe it, or not, many won't see the sarcasm here.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 04:23 PM
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Don't think for a second that the 50% divorce rate is any indication of the marriage failure rate. The failure rate is MUCH higher than that. Many married couples have a dysfunctional or no relationship at all but they don't get divorced. Believe me, you have NO idea what goes on behind the walls of marriage. Keeping up appearances is an important part of why marriage hasn't completely collapsed.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 01:21 AM
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Oh, I see. You're supposed to enter into a lifetime partnership with a woman and thinking she's pretty shouldn't be in the top 5. LOL! See if this registers with you: The problem is not that you think she's pretty. The problem is MARRIAGE. Entering into a "30+ year agreement/partnership" in the first place is the problem.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 08:57 PM
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If you're a man, marriage is a bad life choice. I get tired of the old "little head" logic. Most men simply don't know the rules of marriage and divorce. That's thanks to all the traditional marriage nonsense out there filling the minds of young men. And, btw, don't you think physical attraction might be a damn important metric for picking a LIFE partner? I would think so. Not that I think picking a life partner is important or advisable.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 07:54 PM
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I don't know about most having this type of 5-year plan, but, certainly most brides know the rules of marriage and divorce. They know they can get out whenever they want, usually unscathed and probably richer ($) for the experience. This much is not debatable. Not surprised you're getting downvotes for this comment. Any negative portrayal of marriage around here is met with an angry crowd of traditionalists ready to defend the honor of marriage and gold-diggers everywhere.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 07:49 PM
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The only way for men to avoid the "Divorce Trap" is to not get married. This is MRA/MGTOW/Red Pill/etc. lesson number 1. This article, supposedly written by two professional therapists, is scary. The idea that you can pick a lifetime partner correctly is silly. As these professionals know not only do people grow, digress, or otherwise change, sometimes they just fake it until they can cash in. You'd think these bozos would know that after 100 years of gold-digger marriage.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 07:45 PM
0

When you steal your husband's money you won't be "exploiting" marriage. You getting his money is the whole point of marriage. His money IS your money. Get it? And your a "traditionalist". So let me guess, you plan to stay at home, right? That's, frankly, a man's worst nightmare. Your husband will never have any financial security. He'll live his life in debt to you. They used to call this slavery, but we don't use this word anymore for fear of upsetting the delicate sensibilities of "traditional…
/r/MensRights16/08/13 02:07 AM
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Sorry, but seriously, given the state of modern marriage, you ARE automatically a threat to any man. The whole point of modern marriage is to steal money and property from men and give it to women. I know we use words like "marital property" and "alimony" to hide the fact that marriage is just about stealing, but IT'S STEALING, nonetheless. Honestly, you really need to ask yourself why you want to get married in the first place. I, frankly, see a huge red flag when a woman claims she wants to ge…
/r/MensRights15/08/13 06:38 PM
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You really need to read up on the history of modern marriage. The whole point of it is to take money and property from men and give it to women. That is NOT my opinion on the matter. That is the explicit purpose of modern, civil, marriage. It's a government welfare program for women. Under modern marriage, men are supposed to have their money taken away. Reevaluating marriage as you suggest, honestly, just doesn't make sense. It's like wanting a zebra to have spots instead of stripes. Legal marr…
/r/MensRights15/08/13 06:27 PM
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Yes! This form needs a post unto itself.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 05:52 PM
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What? I don't get it? Men SHOULD be scared off of getting marriage. Stories like this are an important part of educating men about what marriage is really like.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 05:50 PM
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For crying out loud we don't need gender studies at all.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:49 AM
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Your final sentence ... Yes! At the end of the day there is NO justification for the concept of "marital" property or alimony. There is doubly NO justification for enslaving men through court order, wage garnishment, imputed income, and prison to make the whole thing "work". All of this should be abolished as soon as possible. Marriage should be easy to get into and easy to get of. And when it's over you should walk away with your own property. Not only would this be workable, it is already work…
/r/MensRights13/08/13 03:21 PM
2

And reducing so-called "child" support to mothers!
/r/MensRights10/08/13 04:32 AM
0

To be fair that's nothing a few crocodile tears couldn't overcome.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 04:23 AM
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And here lies one of the huge problems with men and marriage - ignorance. You simply have NO idea what marriage is. The CONCEPT of marriage is, in a nutshell, man hand his money and other property over to woman. And if he refuses to do so, the state will do it for him (divorce). This is NOT sharing. It's called taking.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 04:22 AM
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There are pretty much zero average guys in America who understand the true ramifications of marriage when they say "I do". The ones who do understand, just don't get married.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 12:52 AM
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Sorry, but you're way off the reservation. What you suggest has no chance of working. Your second bullet has been discarded pretty much entirely for four decades. Instances of "abuse" would skyrocket if people new they could profit from it. We already know how this affects child custody matters. How about just pay your own way through life? What would be wrong with that?
/r/MensRights10/08/13 12:49 AM
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I don't see how the "Don't stick your dick in crazy!" (DSYDIC) "logic" doesn't apply to pretty much the entire men's movement. Fasle rape accusation... DSYDIC, Can't see my kids... DSYDIC, Alimony... DSYDIC, She beats me... DSYDIC, etc... For some here on r/mensrights, I just don't see the point of the MRM.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 12:41 AM
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Family courts are fucked up , but marriage is fine. This is the most obvious example of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 12:36 AM
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So, which is it? Is there something wrong with or marriage? Or do men only have themselves to blame? You seem to be waffling.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 09:43 PM
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And WisLonghair can't help himself. As I wrote, this is the most marriage friendly sub on reddit. Even MRAs can't help themselves. Blaming men is America's national past time.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 09:41 PM
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Ah ... you're a guy. You ARE the bad person. Honestly, I would start looking for another job immediately and get the hell out of there.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 08:33 PM
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And as MRAs we could really cut to the chase and ask girls and women to put their big girl pants on. None of this is really complicated.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 08:24 PM
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Seriously, being pro male in America today is political suicide. There is no one to vote for. There is little current legislation to get excited about. We're still working to "humanize" men. The rest will follow.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 08:09 PM
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Fathers and Families is now the National Parents Organization. Glen Sacks hasn't been with this organization in some time. Despite being in place for a couple decades they've done next to nothing for fathers and children. They support "child" support, marital property, alimony, etc. I honestly have a hard time telling them apart from feminist women's groups. NPO is basically NOW light. Try avoiceformen.com.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 08:02 PM
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I'm with you, but that is just not going to happen in our lifetimes. Fred, you wouldn't even be able to convince most MRAs of this. Go ask the people over at Fathers and Families (oops, I mean the National Parents Organization) what they think of alimony. They actively support and promote pro-alimony legislation. As long as it's not lifetime alimony, they're OK with it.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 07:54 PM
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Oh please, give me the nuanced answer. I mean, how difficult could it be. Anyway, if you search my posting history you'll find more examples of the pro-marriage r/mensrights stance than I care to count. I can't tell you how many "MRAs" (hahahahaha...) I've argued with here who insist that if just pick the right girl ... blah blah ... bullshit.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 07:46 PM
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AMEN! But, you better watch what you say Jesus. This is actually the most pro-marriage board on Reddit. You see, there's nothing wrong with marriage according to many in this subreddit. It's actually the victims of marriage/divorce who are to blame for picking wrong. The traditionalist vein runs deep here on r/mensrights.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 04:16 PM
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Are you really this incapable of processing an argument? Blanket generalizations? Really? What is so hard about analyzing the risk vs reward of a contract? This has NOTHING to do with the person you enter the contract with. If the contract provides you with no benefit and is all risk, you don't sign the contract. Such is marriage for men. This isn't rocket science. But, alas, I'm debating with a man who apparently doesn't work for a living. FYI, when the divorce happens, and it will, you will NO…
/r/MensRights29/07/13 02:46 PM
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This IS ridiculous, but let me tell you horror stories like this happen every day in America. Worse is that you'll find, beyond your family, there will be little to no compassion for your brother or the child. Feminism has managed to successfully 1. dehumanize men, and 2. assign the "best interest" doctrine reserved for children to mothers. Mothers are entitled and children and fathers are not. True story: My cousin's boyfriend broke up with her after a year or two. She sued him for "child" supp…
/r/MensRights25/07/13 02:04 AM
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You have to be careful with this. Let's say they set his "child" support (which we both know is for mom, btw) at a couple hundred bucks based on his income because he says he has no money or savings. The back support comes to several thousand dollars, or whatever, and he magically comes up with the money. "Where did that money come from?", the state might ask. If your parents are supporting him the state MIGHT consider that income for him and increase the support order. I don't know how this mig…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 07:16 PM
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Loved it. As TJ said, there is simply no incentive for men to get married. None.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 06:47 PM
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SERIOUSLY, if he can't pay the "child" support he will probably end up in prison. It's as simple as that. He should leave the country as soon as possible.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 06:36 PM
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Well, if "I don't remember" is affirmative evidence of rape, then, yes, all consent must be recorded.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 06:31 PM
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How the fuck is a guy supposed to know a girl won't remember she consented in the morning?
/r/MensRights24/07/13 05:53 PM
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The man can "demand" joint custody? Unless Michigan has presumptive shared parenting I doubt it. My brother spent $75k in legal fees to get more than every other weekend and got nothing extra. Not in Michigan, but most states are this way. I assume you mean dad can pay you tens of thousands of dollars to hopefully get more time. That's different than demand. Edit: BTW, I am not a scumbag family law attorney.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 01:54 PM
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Is the difference between a woman not taking you to the cleaners vs not BEING ABLE TO take you to the cleaners completely lost on you? Your last paragraph just shows that you have NO idea what marriage really is. The state you live in defines marriage/divorce. And your expectations of marriage and ideas like "equal partnership" have nothing to do with it.
/r/MensRights22/07/13 11:57 PM
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"What it comes down to is fundamentally how men treat women and expect women to treat them." Wow. That is utter bullshit. What marriage comes down to is that men are sacrificial ATM machines and women have all the power to make withdrawals. Legally and culturally wives have incredible power over their husbands and they use that power. It's human nature. The guy married to GWW is an idiot just like the rest of us husbands. Not because I think she has a nefarious bone in her body, but because, for…
/r/MensRights22/07/13 02:15 PM
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Now, we give custody to parents, usually moms, who make no money at all. I guess that's OK, right?
/r/MensRights21/07/13 04:31 AM
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Oh, you're one of those "as long as you pick the right woman everything will be OK" guys. This line of "reasoning" is for fools. People change. People hide their worst impulses. It is simply impossible to pick right unless you can REALLY see into the future. Marriage is a bad deal for men. Period. The only way for a man to protect himself is to avoid marriage altogether. There is no rational reason for men to get married, anyway. End of story.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 08:26 PM
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Modern marriage IS financial abuse of men. That's the whole point of it.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 08:13 PM
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Marriage is NOT a cure for loneliness. Not that you even need to marry to share your life with someone. I would argue that the most lonely people in the world are those stuck in bad marriages with no way out. It really is a travesty. I'm not going to comment further. Whenever someone equates trying to protect men from financial destruction with misogyny I move on.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 08:02 PM
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"But I cannot agree that just because this is made possible by marriage, that marriage is a construct that was created to make them possible. Those things are simply side effects." Believe me, I understand that in our modern world civil (government) marriage is incredibly hard to wrap your head around. After all, women have been out-earning men in college degrees for several decades. Women ARE perfectly capable to make their own way in the world and many do exactly that. That we still have a gov…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:48 PM
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No. Many men simply don't know what the point of marriage really is. Ignorance rules the day. Women usually appear to know they get financial security from the deal. Men, for the most part, seem to think they get some type of life partner. I thought I was getting an equal, life partner. She didn't need a man to take care of her, she said. Hahahahahaha. The joke was on me. I ended up with an absurd burden to carry with me, probably for the rest of my life. I had NO idea this was possible in a "fr…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:17 PM
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The child's standard of living doesn't have to fall at all. The real solution to this is to abolish our current child custody and support system, which is for the best interest of mothers. Just give custody to the parent who can actually afford to take care of the child. No "child" support needed. Problem solved.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:06 PM
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Her mom was right. Marriage is all about the security of women. Specifically financial security. Marriage is a welfare program for women. That's it.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:00 PM
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Her mom was right. Marriage is all about the security of women. Specifically financial security. Marriage is a welfare program for women. That's it.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:00 PM
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Her mom was right. Marriage is all about the security of women. Specifically financial security. Marriage is a welfare program for women. That's it.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 06:59 PM
2

Correct. Marriage has been destroyed, and declining, for decades.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 06:55 PM
0

"You can always have your own assets can't you?" That's a big NO. Oh sure, a couple can have separate bank accounts, but, legally, that means nothing. And, depending on where you live, you may be able to hold onto assets you received before the marriage, but this is murky, at best. The rich and famous don't get pre-nups drawn up for no reason. If you really care about this subject get on Amazon and read the introduction to the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. In here, she gives an exc…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 04:06 AM
0

"... as long as it all goes to the children." That's the rub, isn't it? Just let dad pay for the "extra" stuff himself. What would be wrong with that? This really isn't that complicated. The reason we don't allow dad to simply pay for more stuff for the kids IS BECAUSE THE $ ISN'T INTENDED TO BE FOR THE KIDS! So called "child" support formulas SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE $ FOR MOM'S LIFESTYLE. IT IS LITERALLY IN THE "CHILD" SUPPORT FORMULAS. It is nothing more than back-door alimony.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 03:49 AM
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Wrong. Sharing resources is not the point of marriage. Obviously, you don't need to go through your state to share anything with your partner. The point of marriage is to transfer a man's money, property, wealth to his wife via the power of the state. Marriage is about enhancing the financial security of women at the expense of a husband who must give up his own financial security. Your edit is absurdly naive and laughable. My wife was supposed to work. She always said she didn't need a man to t…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 02:41 PM
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Yes. And this is proof that so-called "child" support has NOTHING to do with children. It is just back-door alimony. The point of "child" support is to enhance the financial security of women. Men are forced to sacrifice their own financial security to provide for women.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 02:34 PM
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Right. The reality is "marriage" was born of hard existence and necessity. It's a relic of the past that just isn't needed anymore. Really, other than golddiggers and moochers, no one would be worse off if marriage was abolished tomorrow.
/r/MensRights17/07/13 06:29 PM
1

Exactly! Governments use marital inducements to funnel people into marriage. At the same time they are taking benefits AWAY from unmarried couples. When you think about things like hospital visitation, you realize how insidious this truly is.
/r/MensRights17/07/13 06:26 PM
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Seriously? Do you think women ever pay alimony to their ex-husbands after three years of marriage?
/r/MensRights17/07/13 06:17 PM
3

I am not failing to understand anything. Let's take energy. You used nuclear, but we could talk about conventional sources, as well. There was a train derailment in Canada within the last couple weeks that killed 50 people when the fuel it was carrying exploded. Yes, the production and transfer of energy has RISKS. However, energy has tremendous BENEFITS to society and individuals. If you do a risk/benefit analysis most people would agree that the risks are worth the benefit. Now, let's talk abo…
/r/MensRights17/07/13 02:19 PM
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Marriage, as we know it today, is an abomination. It's slavery. It's not called the ball-and-chain for no reason. It should be abolished. There is NOTHING wrong with committing yourself to someone for however long you like. I NEVER said otherwise. Unfortunately, modern day marriage is not simply a romantic commitment. The purpose of marriage is to transfer money and other property from men to women. Legal marriage was created to enhance the welfare of women at the expense of men. Marital propert…
/r/MensRights17/07/13 01:52 PM
1

The whole "women's rights" point of view is misnamed. If women have "rights" men don't then they're privileges, not "rights". We need to start using the correct terms when talking about these issues. It's the women's privilege movement, folks.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 09:01 PM
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Yes, women feel entitled in America today, but there's a VERY good reason for that. They are, in fact, ENTITLED. Tomorrow, if you gave men the entitlements we bestow on women, many would become takers overnight.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 08:56 PM
10

Honestly, whomever gets fleeced will just be blamed for picking wrong. It is very hard to convince people, even people on r/mensrights, that there is something wrong with marriage. The trust in this institution is cult-like.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 08:44 PM
0

This is just nonsense. Give men the power to use someone else and they will. The problem with marriage/divorce/our family courts has everything to do with the law and culture. There is not a problem inherent with women.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 08:40 PM
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WRONG! Sponging off of someone else knows no gender. Men can be parasites, too. Give men the power to sponge and they will start sponging. Period.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 08:37 PM
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Inducement: A thing that persuades or influences someone to do something. Benefit: An advantage or profit gained from something. The purpose of marriage is to enhance the financial security of women. It's a welfare program. That is the only benefit of marriage. Men have the obligation to sacrifice their own financial security to provide for their wives. Not surprisingly, governments don't use these facts to sell marriage. They do use inducements, however.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 02:19 AM
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I'm pro telling the truth about marriage and not glossing over the risks. I'll pass on responding to the rest of your post as it completely mischaracterizes what I've written. Perhaps you're a French Canadian and English is your second language. Or maybe reading comprehension is just not your thing. It's hard to tell.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 04:09 AM
0

Oh, here we go. Fucking CanadaMRA is pro marriage, eh. And he swoops in with the old feminist standby of marginalizing victims of marriage with the "bitter" tag.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 09:30 PM
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Note that what you're referring to as benefits are really inducements. There's a huge difference. That said, yes, the risks of marriage for men far outweigh any inducement the states can conjure up.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 09:21 PM
0

kitty, insurance, tax, and other laws are written precisely to INDUCE couples to marry. These are NOT benefits. The purpose of modern marriage is to provide you, a woman, with financial security. That is the benefit of marriage. For your husband, marriage requires him to give up his financial security. That is called an obligation. There are NO marital inducements that justify your husband's risk in marriage. When you get a chance, get on Amazon and search for the book "Wives Without Husbands" b…
/r/MensRights12/07/13 09:12 PM
1

Modern legal marriage has NOTHING to do with religion. NOTHING. The churches lost marriage, huisme. Governments co-opted marriage long ago and are using it for their own purposes. When the shit hits the fan in "marriage", I assure you God will not intervene. The state police, her lawyers, family court judges, etc. will take care of you. You've been watching the "gay marriage" debate, right? The churches are on the outside looking in, and they should be. Government rules marriage and there is no …
/r/MensRights12/07/13 09:03 PM
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I had NO idea what I was getting into. I was ignorant of the consequences. I got married because I thought that's what I was supposed to do. To be sure, given the marriage contract in America today, there are no rational reasons for men to get married. That doesn't mean most men who get married understand the consequences of what they're doing.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:53 PM
1

Any non-legal benefit you can get from a marriage can be had outside marriage. Millions of couples are doing it. There is plenty wrong with marriage, huisme. Why that is so hard for you to accept is beyond me.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:45 PM
-1

"Loneliness is terrible." Tell me about it. And I'm married, btw. I've grown fond of calling marriage "relationship prison".
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:40 PM
0

Of course there are. My cousin's boyfriend dumped her after about a year so she sued him for child support for another guy's kid. AND SHE WON!
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:31 PM
1

There are benefits to driving for men. There are no benefits of getting married for men. See the difference?
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:29 PM
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So, there are no rational reasons to marry, but, according to you, one should do it anyway. It looks like you're still the village idiot of the day.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:27 PM
0

Well, by all means, if you're afraid of being caught up in common law marriage then live alone. That's the safest arrangement for men.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:26 PM
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No, it's not. You have NO idea what you're talking about. To be ensnared into common law marriage you have to present yourself as actually being married. Just living together will not bind you into marriage.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:14 PM
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What are you talking about? You can still love someone and live with them without getting married. And you do know procreation is possible without marriage, right?
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:08 PM
1

I don't think you do see the difference. Why is it so hard to grasp the idea that there are no benefits in marriage for men? There are only risks for men in the marriage contract. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest anyone enter into a one-sided business arrangement, right? But, if it's marriage, all the sudden the idea of avoiding an unfair situation is nefarious.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:06 PM
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If you're living with someone and not married your status IS single. And, btw, your chances of being ensnared into common law marriage is virtually zero. You can only be sucked into this if you're telling everyone you're married, and you're not.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:55 PM
1

I know you so want this to be about how men can't trust women, but, SORRY, it's not. It's about how men can't trust modern legal marriage. Do you see the difference?
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:49 PM
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Seriously, every time I get on here and debate marriage proponents, like yourself, you people never cease to make shit up. The idea that you stand a greater chance of losing your shit by being single is a new one. No one has tried to get that one past me before. That's complete bullshit, Super.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:43 PM
1

Why do you have to get married to have someone with you? I don't get it. Just live together.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:30 PM
1

I can assure you that many of the loneliest people in the world are married. Marriage will not secure "happily ever after" for you. That's a fairytale.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:21 PM
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Honestly, the dumbest things I read on r/mensrights come from the marriage enthusiasts. This is what you write in response to an OP who asks the question "Is it rational to be scared of marriage?" Of course, it's rational to be scared of marriage. Talk with your partner about precautions? Are you fucking kidding me? Think about the risks? How about avoid the risks completely by not getting married. What, exactly, is wrong with that advice?
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:15 PM
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So, your advice is to, despite all logic, get married anyway and rely on a pre-nup, write-ups, and recordings to "protect" yourself? Consider that if marriage is so perilous, and it is, YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:00 PM
1

Modern legal marriage has nothing to do with God or your religion. Your state co-opted the word "marriage" and is using it for it's own insidious purposes. Consider that you can reject state-sponsored marriage and still be faithful.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 06:44 PM
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I know. I have a close gay friend and we've been talking about these marriage issues for many years. He's against it. To be clear, I'm 100% in favor of marriage equality. I think legal marriage should be abolished for everyone!
/r/MensRights12/07/13 06:04 PM
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Insurance rules, hospital visitation "rights", etc. are INDUCEMENTS (or TRAPS), not benefits of marriage. For men, there is no marital inducement worth enough to make up for the enormous downside of marriage. Yes. It can be a bit more inconvenient for couples to stay unmarried. HELLO MCFLY!!! WHY DO YOU THINK THE STATES HAVE MADE IT THIS WAY? You should consider that if marriage was so great for you, the states wouldn't need to dole out goodies to married couples. You know, the way child abducto…
/r/MensRights12/07/13 05:53 PM
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Insurance rules, hospital visitation "rights", etc. are INDUCEMENTS (or TRAPS), not benefits of marriage. For men, there is no marital inducement worth enough to make up for the enormous downside of marriage. BTW, I know there is currently an entire movement in the gay community to capture these so-called benefits of marriage, but it's all horribly misguided. IMO, "gay marriage" is the most misguided social movement of all time. Straight couples have been moving away from legal marriage for many…
/r/MensRights12/07/13 05:46 PM
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous advice. Russian Roulette is not a losing game for all who participate either. That doesn't mean you should play the game. There are no benefits of marriage for men. It's all risk and downside. There is simply NO good reason for a man to get married. None. End of story. The ONLY rational avenue for men with regards to marriage is avoidance.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 04:56 PM
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So here's the r/mensrights village idiot of the day. You can always find them promoting marriage to unsuspecting men. These idiots will also be the first to blame you when your life gets flushed down the toilet because of the marriage they're promoting. OP, do not listen to this idiot. Marriage is not for men. It is a welfare program for women. Men are the slaves who pay for it. There is NO rational reason to get married. There is simply no point in it for men. The point of marriage is to enhanc…
/r/MensRights12/07/13 03:35 PM
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It's called the "ball-and-chain" for a very good reason.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 03:30 PM
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/r/MensRights11/07/13 07:32 PM
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/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:46 PM
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I am NOT presuming there are no decent women out there. You're making that up. I am saying any man is a fool for thinking he can properly pick the woman who has so much power over him. I would suggest to anyone, man or woman, to avoid any type of one-sided contract. This "blanket approach" is common sense. "I agree that the vast majority of women out there cannot be trusted ..." And you're calling me a misogynist?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:30 PM
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It is misogyny for a man to avoid marriage? Seriously? Now I've heard it all. You might want to ask TB and GWW about that one. I'm quite confident they have my back on this. In 3.5 years here, this is the most bizarre exchange I've encountered.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 05:21 PM
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"... it is after long and deep consideration with someone who can actually be trusted with an all too convenient gun pointed at our heads in terms of the legal system." Again, this line of reasoning is for fools. Relying on the mercy of your partner is quite different than actually having rights and protections under the law. The only real protection men have against marriage is through avoidance. The old "pick the right girl" claptrap is not an MRA argument. It's just old, worn out feminist/tra…
/r/MensRights11/07/13 04:22 PM
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"Choosing to go ahead with it simply means that you're extremely aware of who it is that could have their hand on the grip and finger on the trigger of the perpetual gun that's pointed at your head." You can't be serious? So, this is the old traditionalist standby that what is wrong with marriage is that men just aren't picking right. Correct? And this is coming from an advocate for men's rights? Consider that your line of reasoning has blown up in many a man's face, and amounts to nothing more …
/r/MensRights11/07/13 03:44 PM
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Oh no, I think this guy's a fucking imbecile and I don't mind pointing it out. I have no use for marriage apologists who lead the next generation of men into such a horrible situation. There's no excuse for it.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:07 PM
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As if men have any say in whether or not their progeny grows up in a two-parent household. You do know she can toss you out whenever she wants, right?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:03 PM
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What is the difference between being oblivious to the dangers of marriage and going through with it anyway? Or worse, downplaying your concerns and leading our sons into it? Either way, you're still an ignoramus.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 01:59 PM
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A pro-marriage MRA? What a fucking joke. Sound financial and life planning for a man is to avoid marriage altogether. Get your head out of your ass and maybe you'll get some much needed blood to your brain. Maybe then you could put together a few rational thoughts.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 06:21 PM
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As I've been saying here for years now, modern marriage is a welfare program for women, paid by men. That's what it is. Marriage is for her, not for him. This woman speaks VOLUMES in her letter. To her marriage is the privilege of keeping the fruits of her husband's labor. She's right. She wonders what the point of marriage is for her if she can't keep HIS money. Good question. I might ask a similar question. What is the point of marriage for MEN if the whole point of it is to give up your own f…
/r/MensRights10/07/13 06:12 PM
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Folks, so-called "child" support is just a replacement for husband support. It was, and still is, a response to men going their own way and not supporting women. "Child" support has never had anything to do with the best interest of children, unless you think women are children. It's just a way to take money from men and give it to women. That is the purpose of our entire so-called "family" court system. So, to the question at hand, of course there is nothing wrong with trying to avoid "child" s…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 12:30 PM
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Oh, it's the feminist Btch. We meet again. I'm sure the reason was good. Mom probably wants more "child" support. You know, the way things are going there won't be any fathers left to parent their kids. The feminist utopia is at hand. Congratulations!
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:56 AM
0

Finally, someone tells it like it is on this subreddit.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 03:48 AM
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hahahahahahahaahahaha........
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:26 PM
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Any man who marries a single mom with two kids IS A VILLAGE IDIOT. Is that clear enough for you? Frankly, I hope she divorces his stupid ass, he's stuck pay alimony and "child-support" for all FOUR kids, ends up on the street, and then kills himself in despair. It would be a great lesson for the other would-be village idiots who are close to him.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:13 PM
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Gee, maybe you need to learn the facts surrounding domestic violence. I know feminists have a problem with facts. Are you frustrated that people are now calling you out on your bullshit feminist lies? Let me guess, men aren't supposed to defend themselves, right? They should just let the women in their lives beat on them without lifting a finger. Or just run. Is that right? It's OK for a woman to hit a man, right? But not the other way around, of course.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:09 PM
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Feminists ARE pigs. I'm not going to take that back.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 04:35 PM
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Most housewives, alimony and "child" support recipients, and the like are college-educated (where do you think most met their husbands) and perfectly capable of supporting themselves. Point taken though.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:26 PM
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You are the fucking village idiot in your town. No question about it.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:12 PM
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You're either delusional or a feminist. Regardless, I need to get back to work so I can't keep wasting my time with you.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:10 PM
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All you have to do is get rid of the vast array of public and private welfare programs supporting women and the "wage gap" will go away. I mean, how many women do you know who are on public welfare, husband support, ex-husband support, so-called "child" support, food stamps, etc? I know a lot, that's for sure. Who needs a good paying job if you're being taken care of like a child?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:03 PM
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So TC10284 is a liar then? How old and/or naive do you have to be to think most people, even in r/relationships, give a shit about abused men?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:56 PM
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You can't advocate for men's rights and keep your entire social circle.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:50 PM
2

Oh yah, every time a guy brings up how he's being abused, "everyone" is just all supportive and helpful. NOT!
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:45 PM
2

Sorry if I'm coming off as mean or uncaring, but I promise you my comments are only meant to help you. Call it tough love from a guy who doesn't even know you. It's great that you're getting help. But, let me be clear, you are in a BAD relationship. If your professional advisor is not telling you to get out of this relationship, HE OR SHE IS ENABLING YOUR ABUSER. I wish you all the best. Please take care of yourself.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:42 PM
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Grandma is 73. That means she was born in 1940. That means it was at least the 1960s when she was winning her wife and mother of the year awards (hahahahahaha). I don't think the social rules were that different back then. More likely she's just a feminist pig.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:34 PM
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Is it possible grandma could throw a mean punch, slap, kick, whatever, when she was younger? I mean, she sounds like such an upstanding human being (obvious sarcasm). And, after all, the leading cause of women being struck by a man is that she started it. As far as you not "agreeing" with your grandfather's actions I will say what he won't, GO FUCK YOURSELF. You have NO idea what might have been going on. For all you know he might have been afraid to venture over there. Please save us your white…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:28 PM
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Honestly, you must have no self worth at all. Not that that's uncommon among men. You love her a lot? She's been "better"? Oh Jesus fucking Christ get out of that relationship. She's an ABUSER. She always will be. And you're a fucking doormat. And, btw, I'm guessing "heated argument" is a euphemism for she's verbally abusing me, too. I don't even want to venture a guess as to what the "professional advice" is for this.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:15 PM
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Honestly, you're kidding yourself. Sure, most women are perfectly OK with men's rights ... until said rights interfere with their own privileges. Not picking on women, here. Most men if asked would say, sure, men deserve rights. If you go the next step and suggest fathers should have a presumptive right to shared parenting, for example, they will laugh in your face, put down your manhood, etc. I don't need you telling me what I should post on r/mensrights. In other words, go fuck yourself.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:50 PM
1

How could I possibly respect your viewpoint? Please let me be clear. Your legal marriage is for YOU. It is NOT for your children. You and your husband did not need to "tie the knot" to provide a happy home for your kids. Clearly, two people are capable of living together and providing a good home for their kids without signing up for marriage. The marriage part assigned your husband to a life of servitude to you in marriage and divorce. Modern marriage is a sexist, immoral, ruinous "institution"…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 05:09 PM
3

Should we write letters to our daughters every time some whack job woman kills her kids?
/r/MensRights20/03/13 03:24 PM
1

Legal marriage is NOT a complex social issue. It is very simple to figure out. This institution is dying for the reasons I cite. Your approach of ignoring the problems and selling marriage to men (including your sons probably) is the wrong approach. Leading men into the pit of marriage as we know it today is only prolonging one of the most heinous social experiments of all time. Only by men opting out, will marriage get fixed. When passing the recent changes to alimony in Massachusetts, the stat…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 03:16 PM
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Well worth the read. Thanks for posting. I think the author is right in that women are opting out, instead of leaning in, because they don't have to lean in. But, the author leaves out the most important reason women can opt out - our so-called "family" courts. I promise you, if we adopted shared parenting and eliminated so-called "child" support, marital property, and all forms of spousal support, women would do more paid work and end up in the corner office. Oh, and the "wage gap" would vanish…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 02:08 AM
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Marriage does not benefit children. That may be what you want, but it just isn't so. No-fault divorce has automatically separated millions of kids from their fathers. If marriage was really for kids would that be happening? Marriage is for the best interest of women. I think there are very few married men who understand the risks of marriage for them. From your comment, it seems like you think men are doing a cost-benefit analysis before deciding to tie the knot. Most of these men are completely…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 01:45 AM
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I know we've discussed this before, but, in truth, the whole point of modern legal (civil) marriage is to take money from men and give it to women. Should men hide their money or refuse to comply with what amounts to forced labor, they are imprisoned. There is NO compelling reason for any man to marry as it makes all of them, regardless of socio-economic status, poorer. There is simply nothing in marriage for men. It is burden for men and benefit for women.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 06:58 PM
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I guess I don't get the point of this. Divorced men also often must deal with the so-called "child" support system. (And, btw, married men, like me, are threatened by their wives with the "system" so they can get what they want. It happens all the time.) Is someone here actually suggesting that these disadvantaged men would somehow be better off if they were also subject to the legal theft known as marital property and alimony? The drop in the marriage rate is a direct result of the financial as…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 04:54 PM
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What are you talking about? After thousands of years the business world ("the system") is going to change? Change how exactly? And btw I dont think biology has anything to do with men dominating the business world. This difference is born of necessity.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 05:28 AM
2

Great points. Most men have no idea they can end up being a defendant in a court proceeding, like a criminal, just because they're in a relationship.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 05:07 AM
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Except that first kid thing isn't in the pre-nup. And he may have spent much more, but at least HE EARNED THE $. Get it? You are kidding yourself to the nth degree. You are literally delusional on this. I don't blame you. If you let the truth sink in life will get awfully depressing. Just know that when the shit hits the fan in your own marriage, your wife will be able to spend as much money as necessary on lawyers, lawyer after lawyer after lawyer, if necessary, until she can get your pre-nup t…
/r/MensRights15/03/13 01:35 AM
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In nearly all child custody situations in the U.S. mom is given full custody and fathers get visitation. It is simply automatic kidnapping in most jurisdictions. Why is this done? To maximize mom's "child" support payments. If states wanted to maximize parental involvement from both sides, as you assert, shared parenting would be the law of the land. This is obvious. How is the standard every-other-weekend arrangement possibly "maximizing" time for fathers and their children? Your last sentence …
/r/MensRights14/03/13 02:13 PM
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You are simply wrong. "Child" support formulas explicitly include mom's expenses. This is not hidden or a secret by any means. It is alimony in another name. How do you think ex's of the rich and famous end up with tens of thousands of dollars per month in "child" support? How much do you think baby food and diapers cost? Our child custody, I call it kidnapping, and "child" support system has been designed to be in the best interest of mothers. It certainly has nothing to do with the best intere…
/r/MensRights13/03/13 03:14 AM
0

In the U.S., child custody and child support are linked. Under nearly all jurisdictions father/child time is limited precisely to justify the transfer of money from dad to mom. I'm suggesting that in most cases mom and dad should be able to share time. It doesn't have to be 50/50, of course, but that would be ideal. In any event, if mom and dad are sharing custody how do you justify "child" support? You can't. Even if we don't go to a shared parenting system, "child" support should be abolished.…
/r/MensRights12/03/13 06:59 PM
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You're wrong. Giving fathers and their kids the right to a meaningful relationship is a winning issue. The snow ball has already been relaeased and it's rolling down the hill gathering more snow. It can't be stopped. Those of you who want to deny father/child relationships are on the wrong side. Enslaving fathers to mothers is ready for the dustbin of history. You are a sick fuck.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 05:19 PM
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Do what? There is nothing to do. What are you talking about? Sometimes your choices are a rock and a hard place and you just do your best to get by. That's what I'm doing. So we finally get to your point, though. There is nothing wrong with marriage. All of men's and father's problems are their own doing. They picked wrong. They don't do anything about it. They didn't plan well enough. They didn't plant cameras through the house. They didn't have an exit strategy. Whatever. You're done with me. …
/r/MensRights12/03/13 05:14 PM
1

No. They are obviously welfare kings. Unless a parent is truly unfit, parents should share custody as much as possible and pay for their kids' expenses equally. This really isn't that hard. If you can't afford to pay your share, you should not have custody of that child. You would get a visitation schedule until/if you got yourself together.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 04:50 PM
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I'm not going to detail my marital discord to you. Why that matters is beyond me. Anyway, we were in counseling about ten years ago now. We talked. She told me if I didn't do what she wanted she would take our daughter and I could leave the house. Duh! She is under no obligations in the relationship. She gets the kid, the house, and the money. Those are her privlidges under "family" law. How do you think these "adult" conversations normally go? Preparation for divorce does not matter unless you …
/r/MensRights12/03/13 04:40 PM
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What's a "moving" paper? I honestly don't know what that means. I will not file for divorce if that's what you mean. I would lose my daughter and be broke. No thanks. You seem to be under the impression that men/fathers are free to "solve" their "family" law problems in some constructive way. They are not. Again, if that was the case, we wouldn't need a men's/father's rights movement.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:24 PM
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The point of this sub-reddit is to discuss men's issues. That's what I do here. It is not pointless. You seem to be here to shame men for having problems. Believe me, if there was something I could do about my problems, I would. There are REAL legal and financial impediments to doing so. If there wasn't r/mensrights wouldn't exist.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 02:47 PM
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I have no idea what "make the system work for you" means. Is this supposed to be worthwhile advice? Or to minimize the real problems men/fathers and children face at the hands of "family" law?
/r/MensRights12/03/13 02:35 PM
3

I have no idea what the tea party reference is for. I don't get it. You can facepalm all you want, but it doesn't make you an expert at anything. That is, despite your many seemingly expert legal opinions here. You should really stop impersonating a lawyer. You suck at it. FYI the term "child" support is nothing more than marketing. The same is true for "family" law and our "family" courts.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 02:28 PM
0

This is the strongest stand Robert Franklin has taken against alimony that I've seen. Perhaps F&F can finally become relevant in the fight for men's and father's rights.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 01:46 PM
2

You don't have to avoid relationships altogether. Just avoid cohabitation. There is no chance at changing the current situation in our lifetimes. I suspect any real legal change will take at least another century. Marriage will mostly die out long before that, however, as men will continue to opt out.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 01:26 PM
1

You're exactly right. The whole point of modern civil marriage is to transfer wealth and income to women.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:12 AM
2

But they are doing so in record low numbers. Why? Because there is nothing in it for men. It's slavery. Marriage is dying.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:07 AM
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It doesn't "depend". "Child" support is meant to support mom. This keeps women off of the public welfare roles. Women who receive "child" support are nothing more than welfare queens.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:06 AM
1

You get it. Most men can't seem to figure this out.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:01 AM
1

You know, you claim to be an expert, but you're naive as hell. Stop drinking the spiked kool-aid. We give women full custody of children and give them "child" support for the best interest of mothers. It has NOTHING to do with providing support to children. If we were really concerned with the welfare of children, we would simply give custody to people who could actually afford to take care of them. Enslaving men to women, complete with prison terms for those who can't pay, is unconscionable. Ou…
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:01 AM
0

Yes, nothing. Think about it. Dad could just pay his share of the kids' expenses. There is no need for the government middleman. The whole point of "child" support is to put money in mom's pocket. It's just like alimony. When a woman is on public support we call her a welfare queen. If a woman is on ex-husband or ex-boyfriend support we call it "child" support. Go figure.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 02:54 AM
-6

Why will they continue to get married? For what?
/r/MensRights11/03/13 08:05 PM
0

"Child" support is just back-door spousal or girlfriend support. It really has nothing to do with children.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 08:03 PM
1

I'll fix this for you: Don't get married. That's the end of the list. Getting married at all is a fool's game.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 08:02 PM
1

Well, I agree with the marriage part. As far as the kids go, in most American jurisdictions, men really have no right to parent their kids.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 07:58 PM
8

Sorry, but this is horrible advice. The ONLY way a man can protect himself from marriage is to NOT GET MARRIED. Despite the fact that this is an obvious point of logic, men continue to come here and suggest pre-nups. Really, men, how much pain can you take?
/r/MensRights11/03/13 07:06 PM
0

A child support worker talking about morality? Over the last several decades we've had a massive kidnapping of children from their fathers that is literally unmatched in the history of the world. And you're telling me about morality? Fathers have become nothing more than sperm banks and wallets for the system YOU make your living from and YOU bring up morality? You're sick.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:27 AM
0

As to both of your posts, you're full of $#!. In my state, judges have the full legal authority to declare a man "dad" with basically no evidence. And when I say "dad" I mean "child" support victim. Dads in America have no legal authority to parent in most jurisdictions as I'm sure you know. Dad = sperm bank + wallet. So "ChildSupportWorker" is pushing for men to date single moms, eh? Give me a fucking break. So when single mom breaks up with her victim what is your office's cut of the "child" s…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:24 AM
-3

Upvote for you. You'd be surprised how many men's rights guys are pro marriage. No matter how many men lose their kids and money in marriage/divorce they still don't get it. Men ARE stupid.
/r/MensRights14/02/13 02:53 AM
-1

Thank you. That some men aren't getting this explains why marriages are still occurring these days.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 07:03 PM
21

Circumcision was NEVER necessary.
/r/MensRights14/01/13 03:33 AM
4

You can't have it both ways. You're damn right women are unfairly privileged in "family" court. That has consequences chavelah. It directly affects a man's ability to get out of a bad relationship. You can't seem to get that through your privileged head. It's a lot idiotic to tell a man "you could and you would" when he stands to lose his children, most of the assets HE earned, and a big chunk of HIS income. Is this lost on you? Do you think men don't love their kids? Do you think they love to w…
/r/MensRights09/01/13 01:36 AM
1

I'll do it.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:55 AM
3

In the REAL world, the answer is yes! You might be shocked by this but it's the alimony recipients and child custody winners (aka women) who initiate the vast majority of divorces. Husbands and fathers are often realistically barred from filing for divorce if they don't want to lose their kids and don't want to live in their parent's basement. Get it?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:54 AM
3

Of course you can. In most of the divorce cases that involve alimony it is the recipient who initiates the divorce.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:51 AM
3

Your missing a major point Bobsutan is making. You only seem to be concerned about one side of the "contract" two people make when they have a stay-at-home situation. You're very concerned that the breadwinner has to live up to his end, at least for some time. Why does the stay-at-homer not have to live up to her end of the deal? If you're saying that the breadwinner needs to pay up for five years, subject to imprisonment btw, then the stay-at-homer should have to continue her "housework", erran…
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:44 AM
-1

Exactly! She's called a gold-digger. Would anyone want to bet against that she victimized other men before Mr. Aldrin?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:36 AM
3

You may be right, but I'm not sure. Is part of the other 9% shared parenting arrangements? I don't know. Just asking the question.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 12:28 AM
2

Isn't it funny how so many women support the cause for "sharing" when it comes to her ex-husband's money, but aren't so into it when it comes to the children? Let's be real here, you do NOT share legal rights to your children with your husband. You own the children. Any contact your husband has with the kids is because you are letting him be there. When my wife threatened to "take" "our" child many years back she knew damn well the kid was hers.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 11:08 PM
9

His chances for success strapped to those rockets were a lot higher than his chances in marriage.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 11:02 PM
1

Why exactly should she get any of his property? Or he get any of hers? I don't get it?
/r/MensRights08/01/13 09:22 PM
-1

Well said.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 09:04 PM
1

"... so I decide to quit work to raise our children ..." That was your choice. You should have no right to enslave her after the marriage so you can be taken care of. I call your plan "working" your way into financial dependency. No one should have to pay for your lifestyle.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:58 PM
6

If I thought for a second these stay-at-home wives, most of whom are highly educated, got the buy-in from their husbands before "sacrificing" their careers, I would think you might have a point. Since I'm living in the real world and I know how these "decisions" get made, you know, crocodile tears, arm twisting, guilt trips, calls from the mother-in-law, and outright refusals to work (I know that one intimately), and I know getting a job is the reasonable and just approach. Not getting married, …
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:54 PM
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There is absolutely zero evidence that kids are better off when a parent stays home. None. Zero. edit: There is no justification for alimony. As to the 10-year rule, that puts every father trying to gut out marriage to be his children in the firing line of having to pay alimony. That's a fucking travesty if you ask me.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:37 PM
1

"What is Domestic Violence? Domestic violence is a pattern of coercive control in an intimate relationship which may be characterized by isolating and controlling behaviors, manipulation and/or intimidation to create an atmosphere of fear, and other forms of abuse." This is exactly what my marriage has been like the last 10+ years. So when you're wife threatens to "take" your daughter away from you it's domestic violence? Sure is. You mean our so-called "family" courts are enabling these abusive…
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:31 PM
9

It amazes me how men simply "don't get it" when it comes to marriage. It wasn't enough for Buzz to get taken to the cleaners once. Or even twice. Is the third time a charm? One wonders if he wasn't such an old fart would he be trying to find "the right girl" again? Modern legal marriage is the feminist enslavement of men, guys. NEVER get married is all I can say. Marriage is not for you. Divorce is not for you. Marriage and divorce are for women.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:03 PM
15

There is simply no justification for alimony anymore. If you're a woman and you don't want to be left penniless after divorce GET A JOB. There is no inherent right to using your husband as your personal ATM machine. The ends simply do not justify the means. Enslaving men to provide for women is a practice not fit for a "free" country.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:59 PM
1

This brings up a very interesting notion that doesn't get enough attention. Notice that if men have sex, just for sex, they are using women for sex. It follows then that the only form of "legitimate" sex happens when men are making some larger commitment. You know, to "make an honest woman out of her". And, you know, he pays. So, "legitimate" sex happens when women are using men to fund their lifestyle.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 04:04 PM
8

Well, man as wallet and ATM machine is pretty damn "annoying".
/r/MensRights04/01/13 03:53 PM
0

Don't get me wrong. That includes me. You asked the question, "Why can't there be equal rights?" And the answer is because most people don't want that.
/r/MensRights28/12/12 02:58 PM
6

Most people don't believe in gender equality. That is why the ERA never passed. We live in a "ladies first", men last, culture. Draft women into war? Give custody of children to fathers? Hold women accountable for domestic violence? No way.
/r/MensRights28/12/12 05:46 AM
5

Why am I still staying with her? So I can be with my kid and have access to my earnings and savings. So-called "family" law is the #1 enabler of abusive women.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 08:53 PM
1

That's great to hear! It's really hard to describe to people how important this issue is for fathers. That you're taking this on is extremely important to me and so many fathers everywhere. Honestly, it gets me choked up. Thank you so much.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 03:11 AM
19

So the author wants to know what it is about men that make them want to commit horrible crimes? I want to know what it is about men that enabled them to rush into that school to stop the gunman? Or what about the first responders who scaled the stairs of the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11/2001? Or what about the men who stormed the beaches of Normandy? And what of the countless men who give up their own lives to take a bullet, jump into dangerous waters, or rush into burning buildings to s…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:27 PM
1

As you say, there is so much to cover. It's simply impossible to do your request justice. Might I suggest you try to take on one particular subject and then really focus on that. I would suggest you focus on the issue of father's rights, of which are nearly non-existent. I suggest you visit fathersandfamilies.org and even contact them. There are hundreds of blog posts there, along with links to a vast array of sources. I'm sure they'd be more than willing to help you out. Thanks for your interes…
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:30 PM
3

That's right guys. Marriage can land you in prison! It's true. Just remember that when you think about getting on bended-knee and handing your girlfriend expensive jewelry, all for the privilege of fucking you ever. I can't say this strong enough - NEVER get married!!!! It is slavery for men. Stay single and stay free!!!
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:23 PM
0

I think this all started out as, yes, men do have problems, but men were just seen as worth less than women so nobody cared. This has morphed into "men don't have problems". Either way, save very few people, no one cares.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 03:57 PM
4

Feminism by its very definition cannot be "inclusive". It's impossible. It would be like saying Nazism could address the rights of Jews. Feminism is a sexist ideology that seeks to oppress men and provide privilege to women. How could it possibly address men's issues?
/r/MensRights28/11/12 07:58 PM
1

There is actually a great comment underneath the article that addresses your question. There have been numerous laws already passed, which have done nothing to the wage gap. What is one more law going to do? Nothing again.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 06:50 PM
14

I've been posting sporadically on a feminist site, rhrealitycheck.org, for years. I can't say they ever ignored or laughed at me. They did try to "reason" with me, then they bitterly fought me, and, just today, they deleted my account. Winning!!!!!!!
/r/MensRights27/11/12 08:36 PM
3

Visit fathersandfamilies.org. Over the years Robert Franklin has written literally hundreds of articles on this subject. He often has links to other sources. You won't need to go anywhere else. Good luck!
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:00 PM
5

This is possibly the dumbest article I've ever read under the banner of "men's rights". This has nothing to do with men's rights. It's just "social conservatives" yearning for the good old days. You know, the Stone Age. This article reminds me of Fred working down in the quarry, while Wilma is home keeping house. The "traditionalists" at Fox News and here on r/mr are welcome to go find a place of your own and live. Actually, there's a group living in the Middle East and Asia called the Taliban w…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:16 AM
2

It doesn't take every woman out there to destroy a man's life. It just takes one. There are simply no good reasons for a man to take the obscene risks inherent in marriage/divorce.
/r/MensRights26/11/12 01:00 PM
4

Why do you think these women want to remain unmarried? Do you think there's a shortage of women who want to marry? Or is there a shortage of man who are asking them to marry?
/r/MensRights26/11/12 02:23 AM
3

I'm not even going to read this bullshit. JUST DON'T GET MARRIED! What the fuck is so hard to understand about that?
/r/MensRights26/11/12 02:14 AM
8

In the U.S. private pension system, actuarial reductions for early retirement were often based on sex-distinct factors. As a result, upon early retirement, men would get larger benefits that women to account for their shorter life expectancy. This changed in the 1980s. Believe it or not, this was found to be discriminatory against women. So, now pensions use "unisex" reductions, which equalize benefit amounts for men and women, but, of course, provide women with more money over their lifetimes. …
/r/MensRights23/11/12 03:17 PM
7

I just watched it. That was staged. She clearly consented to it beforehand.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 06:19 PM
1

I often say that the title "child" support is the greatest euphamism of all time. It is nothing of the sort. It is for mothers. Our child custody (that is kidnapping) system is for mothers also. There is no "best interest of the child" in our "family" courts at all. I'll do you one better, except in the most extreme cases, "child" support should be abolished. We desparately need shared parenting and an end to "child" support. We simply don't need to enslave fathers to mothers. Fathers can simply…
/r/MensRights20/11/12 03:41 PM
3

And why should men be held to a higher standard? It sounds like from your post that women should be held to no standard at all in these cases. Why is that? I really don't get it. Don't get me wrong here. I don't think Jenny M. should be treated like a man would in this type of case. Isn't there a happy medium somewhere? Shouldn't both genders be held to the same standard?
/r/MensRights20/11/12 03:30 PM
35

Does everyone remember the uproar when Kanye West stormed the stage during Taylor Swift's acceptance speech? Now imagine if he had snuck up on her from behind, grabbed her ass, put a choke hold on her, and gave her a kiss. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 03:23 PM
3

I have to tell you that the people I've talked to don't really give a shit about fatherlessness. My parents don't believe fathers should have any rights to their children at all. The concept of "shared" parenting to them is basically repulsive. The thing people seem to care about most is fathers footing the bill for everything. The "deadbeat dad" narrative is very powerful. From my experience, I think Fathers and Families strategy of working through the legislative process is entirely wrong. The…
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:09 PM
3

Well, yes, I've alienated some people close to me, but I DON'T CARE. My parents don't think fathers should have any rights to their children. FUCK THEM!
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:03 PM
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"She took my kids, my money, my life." Guys, that is what our "family" courts are for. GUYS, Marriage is NOT for YOU. Divorce is NOT for YOU. Our child custody system is NOT for YOU. Do you think "child" support is for YOU? All of this is for HER guys. This shit is not for the best interest of children or for families. This shit is for HER! NEVER GET MARRIED! Wear a fucking condom!!!
/r/MensRights20/11/12 03:30 AM
0

Actually, I'm guessing most marital rape is female on male. Because of the way our so-called "family" courts work it can be very difficult for men to file for divorce. If you know you're going to lose your kids and financial security it tends to put the kabosh on divorce (see the "These Boots are Made for Walking" study). I've been coerced on many occasions through violent acts and threats to have sex with my wife.
/r/MensRights12/11/12 07:57 PM
8

Why can't you just admit that workplace interuptions do have a cost? I'm not saying that we shouldn't make these flexible arrangements. I'm just saying that there's a cost to that. And when you have a large % of people taking off at the same time (with the expectation they will be coming back) the consequences are bigger. This is obvious. What is the point of simply denying it? In case I'm not being clear, I totally favor workplace flexibility for both moms and dads.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 06:04 PM
10

It is really not about whose fault it is. The reality is the privilege of the "flexible workplace" for moms IS an issue to work around for everyone else, including the women who work normal schedules. I know people don't bring this up, especially employers, because it's taboo. It is the truth, however. Can it be overcome? Sure. Through sacrifice from employers and the remaining employees it can. To think these "flexible" schedules don't have a cost somewhere is a fantasy.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 05:45 PM
9

Is it not obvious that workplace flexibility for moms means workplace rigidity for the men and women who are left?
/r/MensRights09/11/12 04:24 PM
1

Engineers take physics. Engineering is science. I know what you meant, but I'm not sure you used the right comparison.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:13 AM
4

I don't mean to sound so negative on counseling in general. I can see that counselors or therapists could effectively deal with a personality disorder, for example, one on one. What I can't see is some type of effective mediation between couples, especially married couples. In many, if not most, marriages the risks and rewards are assymetric. That is, upon divorce one could walk away with lots of goodies and the other with lots of obligations. The incentives aren't the same. My wife basically to…
/r/MensRights08/11/12 09:20 PM
1

That sounds like something Sheldon would say on The Big Bang Theory.
/r/MensRights08/11/12 09:08 PM
0

I don't know. If counseling is not a "science" then by what basis are they supposed to fix anything? This is not art. If you're a counselor you should be able to use scientifically tested methods to diagnose and treat or "fix". If one does not have a scientific basis to work from then we're working from customs, hunches, old wives tales, and other considerable bullshit.
/r/MensRights08/11/12 08:37 PM
1

I beg to differ. It is indeed (supposed to be) a science. Describe it how you want, but counselors are licensed to "treat" individuals. They certainly ARE suposed to diagnose and fix your problems. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that shows marriage counseling is effective.
/r/MensRights08/11/12 08:29 PM
2

http://www.capella.edu/schools_programs/human_services/masters/marriage_family_therapy.aspx
/r/MensRights08/11/12 08:17 PM
-1

I don't know. I tend to think counseling is useless (even if men got a fair shake). We all tend to think of relationship issues as black and white. The truth is almost always gray. A couple isn't one person. A couple is made up of two, independent adults who both have needs and wants. It is simply inevitable that things go haywire. "Marriage counseling" is one of those pseudo-sciences with no objective measure showing it actually "works", whatever "works" means. Especially for men, people should…
/r/MensRights08/11/12 05:07 PM
12

Been there. My wife refused to work. I brought this up in marriage counseling and our male counselor told me as a man I should be thrilled I could take care of her. As a man you will have a VERY difficult time finding a counselor who isn't simply an enabler of your abusive wife. It doesn't matter what happens, he or she will take your wife's side. I would suggest you forget about marriage counseling and move on. While you're here on r/mr learn about divorce and child custody issues and decide wh…
/r/MensRights08/11/12 04:35 PM
7

You have this completely flipped on its head. It is the powerful and well-funded brand of feminism that is advocating "wrong" things. We've had many young and idealistic "feminists" here on r/mr who you could mistake for a true gender egalitarian/supporter of men's rights. They just don't do anything.
/r/MensRights07/11/12 01:53 PM
2

The feminists are in constant back-peddaling mode on this. The latest is 7%, but, of course, that's even wrong. When you control for all factors there is little to no gap.
/r/MensRights06/11/12 03:56 AM
7

You know this fucking subreddit can be depressing as hell, but on most days I do laugh a little (or a lot). Thanks!
/r/MensRights06/11/12 03:09 AM
1

Yes, but what will the Democrats have to cry about for the next election? The mythical wage gap has been around since at least the 1960s. Every once in a while the number changes, but it's always there.
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:55 AM
2

Thanks!
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:52 AM
4

Well, where did I say that? Oh, I didn't. You might ask yourself why you "misread" my post.
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:50 AM
3

Believe it or not things are getting better, but the progress is very slow. Check out avoiceformen.com. There have been many sites popping up over the last few years where we can all bitch about everything, but AVfM is actually walking the walk. Fathers and Families has been working on issues like shared parenting and child support for a very long time. I would suggest you check them out, but, in my opinion, they're not nearly aggressive enough. At their pace, maybe our great grand sons might ha…
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:49 AM
3

Well, I don't hate women and never suggested once that all women are like this. I hear you, but the problem is there's no way to know if you're going to get fucked over or not. This is the same way with marriage/divorce or any run-in with our so-called "family" court system. Society has a target on men's backs. As a man it is just unwise to put yourself into a vulnerable position. Relying on the mercy of your girlfriend or wife to not run you through the "family" law grinder is not a wise life s…
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:42 AM
2

Right again! Honestly, a pre-nup would not have helped me. We got married when we were young and I had no assets to protect. If you have something to protect before you get married, especially a business, then by all means one should get a pre-nup (see Donald Trump). This especially helps with control issues regarding the business. However, having pre-marital property can actually cause you to get less of the marital property. I often tell men here on r/mr to simply NEVER get married. It's the o…
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:30 AM
5

Well at least he's not dating her anymore!
/r/MensRights06/11/12 02:21 AM
16

And how are you any more sure that men are really "choosing" their careers?
/r/MensRights05/11/12 08:08 PM
3

You got it. What you come to realize in these situations is that women have no responsibilities. After always agreeing to work and nearly 10 years of higher education, some of which I paid for, my wife refused to work. To that the "counselor" chastised me and said, as a man, I should be happy I could take care of her. My wife chimed in that "life isn't fair". I got out of the chair and we went home. That was nearly 10 years ago now and we're still married.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 07:51 PM
1

The issue in front of the high court was paternity by estoppel, not the specific support. They weren't supposed to make that decision. That decision lies with the lower court. Disregard my link. I couldn't care less.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 07:36 PM
3

No. Did not. BTW the woman in this situation is my cousin. I kid you fucking not. This happened around the time my brother was getting hosed in divorce court and I was being abused in "marriage counseling". I didn't know what the "red pill" was then, but I've been on it since.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 07:14 PM
2

Of course there is a determination here and it is mentioned at least two different times, including at the end: The court concluded: "In summary, paternity by estoppel continues to pertain in Pennsylvania, but it will apply only where it can be shown, on a developed record, that it is in the best interests of the involved child." Just because the case was sent back to the lower court doesn't mean the court didn't do anything. Of course it did. Google it. There are dozens and dozens of links to d…
/r/MensRights05/11/12 07:04 PM
0

Honestly, I wonder if blahblah bullshit is even a family law attorney. This concept is not new.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:41 PM
1

see my edit 2. This is an actual legal case from Pennsylvania.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:35 PM
2

I don't hate single mothers. But, of course, that's what you want to believe, right?
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:34 PM
2

I see you posting here a lot. When you get a chance check out my "edit 2" for this post. Thanks.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:31 PM
3

She was just pissed he broke up with her.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:28 PM
3

Right, but I'd edit your statement a bit. "If a court decides a man ACTS like..." See my edit 2.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:26 PM
5

If I had a fucking dollar every time I heard someone say or write "he can afford it" as a justification for fleecing a man through alimony and so-called "child" support... It's a fucking entitlement these days.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:20 PM
1

We simply have a blatantly ladies first, misandric culture. And the average man is supposed to just "man-up" and accept it. Well, the shit is hitting the fan and many of us are no longer playing that game.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:16 PM
11

Marriage is worse than stealing. it's slavery. It's the enslavement of men to women. That IS modern-day marriage. They don't call it the "ball-and-chain" for nothing.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 06:07 PM
41

But Michelle Obama just posted the wage gap myth on her facebook page a couple weeks ago. Maybe someone could let her know.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 05:54 PM
1

Have you ever heard of fatherhood by estoppel? If not, you're the worst fucking family law attorney in the country. See this link from my state: http://www.nlrg.com/family-law-legal-research/bid/76872/FAMILY-LAW-Paternity-by-Estoppel-Enforced-When-in-Best-Interests-of-Child
/r/MensRights05/11/12 05:45 PM
1

http://www.nlrg.com/family-law-legal-research/bid/76872/FAMILY-LAW-Paternity-by-Estoppel-Enforced-When-in-Best-Interests-of-Child See link. The case I'm bringing up is in Pennsylvania.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 05:42 PM
3

We get this a lot in r/mr. That "can't be". It's called denial. What makes you think this can't happen in your state?
/r/MensRights05/11/12 03:22 PM
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