It’s not advanced math and rigorous training that keeps women out of STEM. It’s sexist shirts. Watch feminists break the stupid meter.

alliteratorsalmanac · 2014-11-17T02:25:13+00:00

Is the title implying that the reason there aren't more women in STEM is because it requires advanced math and rigorous training?

carchamp1 · 2014-11-17T03:29:10+00:00

My wife worked in a STEM field with several other women out of college. After a few years only one remained with the company. NONE of them in the STEM field they trained for. ZERO.

And here's your answer why so few women are in STEM fields ... Most were living off their husbands!

I promise you, get rid of marriage and force women to provide for themselves and women will train for and stay in these fields.

maskOfZero · 2014-11-18T01:28:33+00:00

Regardless of my gender in the sciences, I have faced multiple accounts of sexist professors and coworkers that created an uncomfortable environment. They would joke about how they had their foreign lovers when on field assignments (despite being married), they would be rude to me for not being cold enough on arctic research trips to need their warmth, they would flirt with students half their age - sometimes sleeping with them, sometimes just making remarks about their appearance (not intellect). Overall, they would create an environment that was unpleasant for me based on their jokes that would sexualize females when all I wanted to do was my research. And this was in several different fields of science. The only time I didn't encounter this was when I worked under a female professor. We never spoke about men, sex, or made inappropriate jokes. When I see a man with a shirt with half-naked women on it, in the sciences, it makes me feel uncomfortable to work with him as a peer. How would you feel if a woman or man wore a shirt of sexualized men to a conference or while working on something scientific? would that be appropriate? I made this to illustrate my point: trust me I'm a scientist

If you ask why this might keep women out of STEM, it isn't the one shirt, it is the attitudes. It is the idea that men -aren't- thinking that this would be offensive in the first place and the ideas of how to create a more open environment aren't being considered. Those attitudes are what effect women from a young age. When a societal stigma exists, people can be convinced they are incapable of doing something. This goes for socio-economic, gender and racial divisions that have been studied in academia. When the upper echelons of science do something like wear shirts depicting sexualized women (regardless of whether men or women are doing it) it reinforces the idea of the "role" of women and that they don't belong as their peers. We need less of that and more encouragement to continue the diversity of people and ideas that feed the sciences.

TLDR; the sciences can be a permissive environment lacking dress codes, especially in physics, but offensive shirts are not ok, including those of men or women because they are 1) unprofessional and 2) demeaning in an environment where we need to encourage participation

Title	It’s not advanced math and rigorous training that keeps women out of STEM. It’s sexist shirts. Watch feminists break the stupid meter.
Author	ThePoliticalHat
Upvotes	84
Comments	15
Date	November 16, 2014 9:03 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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