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You (and feminists) want (and have already gotten) employers, schools, universities, courts, police, government, the law etc. to treat men like loaded guns. I absolutely don't want that. I'm pointing out the examples because they are obviously unfair. How can you not see the difference between the interpersonal and the organized system? That difference is often blurred. If a man is shunned by all his friends and family because they think he's a sexual predator, is that interpersonal or not? Or i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:55 PM
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Why would an employer even think about whether you might rape someone? Because hiring someone who will later become a rapist isn't very good for company PR. Employers care about whether you can do the job or not. They don't usually pry into an employees personal life. Do you live in the 21st century? Employers check applicants Facebook profiles all the time before hiring them. As for universities, they have standardised testing to help them decide. I don't think you've thought this OP through at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:27 PM
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Rule 1 of gun safety is "treat all guns as loaded" unless you yourself check the weapon is clear. Which is what the uni did. Until they could check the man as clear (court investigation and whatnot) they suspended him. You know, because he might be a loaded gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:23 PM
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The tons of women that run away from men at night surely don't give a fuck about their feelings. Neither do the tons of men that hit women. Yet we can agree that assuming every man is an abuser and treating him as such is unfair and a bad idea. And TRP doesn't limit it to dating. They frequently talk about honor, dishonesty, no work ethic and use that to reason that they wouldn't hire women if given the choice (see Archwingers comment in this thread for an example). If that is okay, why is it no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:22 PM
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Europe, one of the countries that are more left leaning than the average European country. I live in a city where 25% of the population is a student. Never heard this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:20 PM
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That's more slut tells. Well in that case, we should be able to use rapist tells. Men accused of sexual assault = might have done it = avoid. But when employers start doing that, TRP will cry unfair (and it is unfair, don't get me wrong). I would have no problem with women using AMALT and a lot of them do. Maybe you don't. But when a woman would admit 80% more women into a university on the basis of AMALT (because women do slightly better), TRP would say that males are unfairly discriminated aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:18 PM
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Hmm.. Garbagemen actually make significantly more than retail workers in most of the USA, afaik (it's considered hazardous work), so I guess that I didn't catch that larger jump. It's about social class, not necessarily pure income.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:15 PM
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That's not a logical statement at all. A woman trusting the wrong man is more likely to get her murdered than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:14 PM
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Which is bad. But you know why they get away with that? Because people use the "Guns are loaded" rethoric. Why does TRP use a rethoric that they know and think is disgusting and will disadvantage innocent people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:13 PM
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It's almost as if RPers are a diverse group of people. You continue hitting exactly my point. I'm treating all TRP'ers as loaded guns here, exactly the same thing they do. But when you say It's almost as if women are a diverse group of people They say "Nooo, you can assume the worst because averages/something!". Furthermore It's fine to avoid anyone you want to. Regarding shame, eh, people gonna shame, at least they keep it to themselves. And It absolutely is unacceptable to shame someone who's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:11 PM
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So just because TRP has less power in society makes it okay to use the same tactics that they consider disgusting when used by feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:05 PM
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The point of AWALT is that no girl and no relationship is risk free The points of AWALT, or how I've often seen it used too, is that when a girl does X, she might also do Y (whether these are baseless accusations or not) and should therefore be avoided. Example: likes to travel = sleeps with foreigners = avoid. But when employers decide to avoid hiring men that are, for example, large and muscled, because they might in their view more likely to be an abuser, we can all agree that is not fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:04 PM
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Yes, once a guy has a rape allegation against him, their is an above average chance that he's an actual rapist. So, better for employers to not hire him, but hire the other guy. Better for the university to get rid of him. These people/institutions are simply "Treating the gun as potentially loaded". If you can see why that is not okay, than why is it okay to apply that same logic the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:01 PM
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Like I've also said in the post, I've seen TRP'ers state that they wouldn't hire/work with/trust women because "All guns are loaded". That is the exact thing that TRP gets upset over. It is okay for TRP to avoid a woman who sleeps around and shame her, but unaccaptable for people to avoid and shame a man who's been accused of sexual assault. In both cases it's a "treat guns as loaded" type of reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:59 PM
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So basically pure hypocritical attitude from TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:56 PM
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Like I said, people do sometimes marry a bit up or down. Men do that more often I believe too. But it's mostly nowhere near as big as the difference that OP provides.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:53 PM
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Well, the statement in the OP is an ever larger jump, which is what I was reacting to. Of course people marry slightly above or below (skewed towards males marrying down), but in general, not by enourmous amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:52 PM
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"All men are inherent rapists - all hetero PIV is rape" Oh come on, nobody in real life actually believes that. Go, ask around on the street. Ask 1000 people ask them "Is PIV always rape?". I guarantee perhaps one person will seriously agree with that statement. Anyway, you do hit my point. If it is okay to say AWALT dishonest, manipulating, divorce raping, cheating, etc. Then it should be okay to say AMALT rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:50 PM
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I wouldn't say that the white collar jobs you give as examples are comparable to garbage men. I gave waiting tables as a specific example because it's unschooled (kinda) blue collar work that is I think most comparable to being a garbageman. Again, I'm sure it does happen, but data suggests that people stay mostly within their social class. And nurses and dancers can certainly be in the same social class as doctors, even though they decided on a less career focused path. The other examples are o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:43 PM
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Because people tend to marry in their own social group. How many female retail workers/table waiters do you know that are married to male doctors?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:20 PM
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Yeah, but some people do that. Why is she to blame if the father decides to call it quits (after the child is born of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:51 PM
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You said single father, not noncustodial father. Single father heavily implies that he's raising a kid on his own. It's literally not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:49 PM
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single fathers are asshole deadbeats Nobody ever said that. Really. Point me to where someone said that. You know what people do say? "Fathers who abandon their child (mostly once it's already born) are deadbeats".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:27 PM
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I'm pretty sure that single mom also means "mom who's husband/boyfriend decided to call it quits and run away while the child was young".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:24 PM
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Well I think attracted in the context of the OP is slightly more long term attractiveness. Both men and women who are just looking for a quick fuck are gonna judge each other on hotness 90% of the time (and the other 10% is probably to determine if the other isn't a serial killer). Over the longterm, other things that hotness do become more important, like OP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:11 AM
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Sure, but that doesn't make sensitivity bad. It makes less confidence bad. Why is it stupid to be attracted to confidence. People, regardless of gender are attracted (Not necessarily romantically) to people who are confident, who believe they know their own shit etc. Confidence can show a lot of good traits, that you'll stand for your decisions, that you aren't indecisive etc. But make no mistake, you can be confident and sensitive at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:01 AM
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It's also quite possible that many guys who are sensitive also have neediness and that's what does turn girls off. But they misattribute their failure to sensitiveness and get rid of that. Not saying it's definitely true. But it is very possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:34 AM
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Allright, show me an upvoted post on TRP where it says that. Not that women are natural manipulators, but that they are because they can read body language better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:46 AM
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I'm not following, can you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 11:43 PM
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Apply this to the entire economy and you'll see why a totally free market doesn't mean equal chances for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 11:39 PM
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Well that's bullshit too. I know a few very ugly guys who have a girlfriend. The majority of them however aren't so lucky. Same with girls. Besides, for a lot of people the end goal of happiness isn't casual no strings attached sex, but relationships. I'd say an ugly man can achieve that through status easier than a woman can. Still, ugly people probably have it hardest in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:40 PM
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Yet Bernie polls much better among women that Trump does. It's clear who are more swayed by their emotions hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:38 PM
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Rich people >>>>>> poor people. That's pretty much most of the "who has it better"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:51 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 06:54 PM
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Do women actually assume that or do you think they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 07:12 PM
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That sounds very confusing. By doing stuff, you react to the past by default. That's how people learn, that's how they do stuff. If a person is shitty to you, do you forget it the next day because "you dont react to the past"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 07:46 AM
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Keyword "rough", but yeah I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:58 PM
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Yeah I can agree to that. I mean models aren't always bad. If your model is "be nicely dressed, freshly showered and don't be afraid to talk to girls" that's definitely a good thing. If your model is "if she does X, I will always do Y", I believe you'll see worse results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:49 PM
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Depends on the individual and their problems. I can't give blanket advice because I don't think that would be very effective. Look, as long as their only goal is having sex as much as possible, it'll probably work. Hell, even walking up to girls and literally asking for sex will probably work sometime if you try often enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:46 PM
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TRP is self selected. Just because opening up didn't work for RP'ers doesn't mean it's bad for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:40 PM
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Again it depends on what you want. If you see the forest, you'll never see the individual trees as well as you could. If all you want is to get your dick wet, I have no doubt models work. If someone isn't receptive you move on. But if you want a deeper connection with someone, and make no mistake, lots of men desire that too, then you must see the tree and not the forest. If you talk to girls from the first moment like they're the tree, instead of part of the forest, I think you can make a bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:38 PM
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Depends. They aren't hard to figure out on a superficial level. But if you want a deeper connection, neat models become increasingly useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:33 PM
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Well I overblowed it a bit. Of course I have some idea what I'm doing. But when I go about my day, I rarely think to myself "today I'm going to talk to X and Y, and I'm going to do it in this way", unless I need to do a very important conversation. I don't really pick up woman, because I have a gf for a while now, but if I were doing that, I would just look my best, go out, and talk to woman that would seem interesting to me. If you go out with the mindset of "I must score tonight", you're not l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:27 PM
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I'm of the opinion that the interpretation of your scenario depends on the context. His answers cannot be interpreted seperate from who you are, because they were given to you Xem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:17 PM
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I think that while you can draw averages across humans, most humans are far enough away from the average that treating them as average will get you suboptimal results. Preparing a script before you talk to someone is generally a bad idea. Of course you think about what you are going to talk about in general, but don't overthink it. People notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:10 PM
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Sure, but the way Xem is overanalyzing everything isn't healthy or good for his state of mind imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 11:04 PM
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because it's all subjective I just wander through life without really knowing what I'm doing. It works out fine sometimes and less fine some other times. Seems better to me than worrying about everything and analyzing everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:53 PM
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and inner beauty matter more. Well, I think your dad isn't giving you advice on how to get a one night stand, he's giving your advice on getting and keeping a relationship. Because in relationship, your 'inner self' (and that includes confidence, humor and social skills, but also what you're passionate about, how you treat other people etc) is way more important than your looks. Yes, you need a certain treshold of looks to be considered attractive. But once you pass that, your "inner self" start…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:52 PM
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Correct. But there is a difference between "Every women (or the majority of women) wants a beefed up muscular jock" and "Being fit will help your dating chances" Because honestly, when I look around to guys who don't have/do have succes with the ladies, charisma, social skills and humor are way more important than how fit you are. They are harder to learn than getting fit though, but more important in my opinion. I mean, getting fit is important, it will certainly help you (not only in the datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:35 PM
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Your dad is spot on about all the things he said translation My dad reacted badly to the notion that EVERY woman wants (I have not explained AWALT to him lol) some "beefed up muscular jock who hits the gym". He basically believes that the media has brainwashed people these days, and our generation in particular, into all wanting to be an unattainable celebrity or model ideal…man and woman He thinks this kills the beauty of our individuality, or something He generally thinks the RP reality is ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 10:30 PM
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Definitely. But crazy people are crazy right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:44 PM
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You're right. When I said SJW's, I meant the bigots on Tumblr that take offense to anything while trying their hardest to bully the people they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:25 PM
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While I believe there is some merit in this line of thinking (ie a white guy saying "in my view, black women aren't oppressed at all" is kinda absurd), I think we can all agree that SJW's take it way too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:05 PM
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Well he isn't if we follow SJW definition of racism. Luckily most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 03:03 PM
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I understand what you mean, but I still want to rephrase my point once more. Also reacting to "is it the writers fault if a reader misinterprets a metaphor?" from another comment you made. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/47f704/women_support_patriarchy_as_long_as_it_isnt_the/ Women destroy civilizations by mirroring the behaviour of other cultures. Feminists don't care about patriarchy, they just hate western men. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/476gmu/survival_mode_for_…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 01:17 PM
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I just googled "just be yourself" and out of the first page of links, nothing said that. Articles did talk about how it's essentially meaningless, but the mainstream view definitely isn't what you heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:35 AM
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Point is that people interpret Just be yourself in a way that's not actually said, but what they think it means. With AWALT, there are enough TRP'ers saying exactly what we critisize about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:14 AM
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Except a lot of guys on TRP do literally say that all women inherently are inferior or whatever. I don't know if that's official RP theory or not, but it is futured on TRP. When attacking AWALT, we don't mean "trust every woman lol", we mean "Just because she's a woman does not it more likely that she's dishonest/manipulating etc. People don't literally say "don"t improve yourself".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:10 AM
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It's not just an heuristic, some people are hugely misunderstanding it. Almost no one seriously means "Don't improve yourself". They mean "Don't pretend to be someone you are not" ie pretending to like things you hate etc. Every time people present articles that are supposed to be an example of BP Just be yourself culture, it's always obviously the latter being talked about, never the former. People interpreting "Just be yourself" as "Don't improve" are just hearing what they want to hear, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 11:55 PM
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Cooking is a very good skill to have! It's nice for yourself and it is actually usefull too, apart from impressing others with nice dishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 11:17 PM
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That's one gym out of how many in Seattle? By the way Employees report that the man made no verbal attempt to identify himself as a woman and No one was arrested Seems like pretty much nothing actually happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:38 PM
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Maybe that's the end goal of the Tumblr extremists. But once you get off the internet and look around in the real world you'll see that they're not doing a very good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:56 PM
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I can tell you this: my early BP perspective had me believing that if I had to somehow "change" myself to be with a woman, she and the relationships wasn't worth it. Because, ya know, I grew up being told I was perfect as I was, and if I was just myself the "right" woman would love me. Ugh. There's changing yourself as in improving yourself and there's changing yourself as in make yourself do/pretend to like things you don't like. The latter is meant by "don't change yourself. Most people do pic…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:43 PM
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In case you didn't catch on, he is not serious at all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:45 AM
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They are allowed. It's having high standards and complaining that you can't find anyone that's mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:40 AM
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I give this post a no effort at all/10
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 01:43 AM
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You are more likely to get away with rape than be convicted of rape. Which is exactly what most people that talk about rape culture actually mean to say
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 12:23 AM
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Well to be honest, that OP wasn't nuanced at all. It wasn't framed like "you have a disadvantage if you are short", it was framed like "Short men are literally doomed". To counter the last statement, all you need to do is provide an example of some short men who aren't, thereby proving that being short doesn't HAVE to mean you're doomed. If the OP had framed his point more reasonably, I'm sure he would have gotten different answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:43 PM
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and it's promoting a healthier mindset How is believing that women are inherently dishonest, irrational and manipulating a healthy mindset? If the goal is taking women off the pedestal, this tactic is basically nuking a village so that you can win some ground. It goes completely over the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:39 PM
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My problem is when bloops dismiss the evidence provided for very weak and intellectually dishonest reasons. Care to link some examples of what exactly you mean then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:35 PM
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If we assume all anecdotes are equally true and I say "Everyone is X", with support anecdote "I know three people who are X". You say "I know two people who are Y". If both anecdotes are true, I am simply wrong. Not just weak evidence, but wrong. If your anecdote was "I don't know if people are X or Y", then it would be weak evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:35 PM
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Typically the red piller will present a probably biased personal observation as evidence for their theory FTFY Second which I see all the time is anecdotal evidence. Which admittedly is also a tactic red pill uses. But not the only tactic. Unlike blue pill. That's because if you claim "all women are attracted to this/want this", the burden of proof is on you. If anecdotes are valid, and you have two confirming it, and I have two denying it, then we can both have true anecdotes, but you would sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:23 PM
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Well then you've got nothing to fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:19 PM
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Dude, as long as you are not an asshole, you won't get imprisoned in a million years. Accidentally blurting out "you could lose some weight" is not and will never be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 10:52 PM
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Even inside college it barely exists
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 10:50 PM
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but the feminists say I might rape her If you just talk to a girl, you're more likely to die from a plane falling out of the sky while walking towards her then actually getting acused of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 10:50 PM
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Not really what I meant, prob should have worded it better. Ah well
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 10:27 PM
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By doing what they did all along. It's still working for millions of young men all over the western world. Don't let some outrage porn on the internet form your entire opinion Xem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 09:47 PM
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Congress did restore Selective Service registration but did not add any provisions for the inclusion of women, chiefly because the Department of Defense did not allow women to serve in combat roles. Members of Congress also argued that there was no pressing need to widen the draft pool by adding women and that it might harm existing social structures. The National Organization for Women issued a statement opposing the draft, but stipulating that if a draft must exist, it should include women. ht…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 05:50 PM
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You don't see feminists fighting to be part of selective service. Actually feminists did fight for that. Back in 1980 already, under the Carter administration. But the all male congress and then the all male supreme court put a stop to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 05:28 PM
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Lots of people call TiA hateful, go on SRD and have a look. Sure, but many many more don't. There is a reason that even on TiA, a RedPill post gets upvoted and laughed at. TiA even makes it to /r/all ocassionally. SRS is gonna get butthurt over anything, but in the general opinion TiA isn't a hate sub. They don't hate on people who were not hateful in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:18 PM
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Dude you have bigger issues than this place can solve
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:55 PM
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It gets confusing .... Where does that leave me? I don't know. What I do know is that hating/believing half the worlds population is beneath you/incapable of logic thinking/dishonest is hateful. That's what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:28 PM
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You can. But by objective (as in, almost everyone will agree apart from TRP of course), TRP is way more hateful. You don't see many people call a subreddit like TiA hateful, because they stick to making fun feminism and not hating on ALL women. Of course some people do call it a hate sub, but it's not the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:01 PM
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If making fun of feminism can be described as misogynistic even though it's only targeting a specific group rather than the entire female gender, I think making fun of radfems is just fine and I think most people would think the same. Of course radfems are gonna call hating on them misogeny. However, that again is not the point. The statement that's often made is "TBP is just as much a hate sub as TRP". By comparison, that's simply not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:57 PM
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Many feminists argue that making fun of feminism is misogynistic because it represents women, why can't the same apply to TRP? This isn't even relevant. Doesn't matter if that's true or not. TRP openly hates on all women (women are dishonest, manipulating, not worth your time apart from sex, childish). TBP does never hate on all men. It is that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:52 PM
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There is a difference though. TBP doesn't say mean things about men, they say mean things about TRP'ers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 12:43 PM
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I'm a short man and I'm doing just fine thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:48 AM
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A girl who doesn't game much doesn't have to disapprove of you doing it obiously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:33 AM
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I'm not saying give up gaming, but it's just the truth that most girls aren't hardcore gamers. You want to increase your chances, then pick up another hobby besides gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:11 AM
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Because 400.000 in a female population of 150 million isn't even 0.3%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 11:29 PM
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Well men (or people) have to put a lot of effort into work or school too. Just because you put in effort doesn't mean it's exausting. If you are busy with dating related stuff 8 hours a day, yes then it might be. But that's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 10:17 PM
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dating is exhausting at best Then you're doing it wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 10:11 PM
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Well, the assumption is that TRP only encounters a certain type of women because they think that AWALT and act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:50 PM
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The usefulness is relative. It may be useful in the sense that it gets you a certain kind of girls. But many posters on TRP (and that may or may not be you too) believe that it applies to ALL women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:44 PM
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Well, depends on what movies or books you read. Most people don't watch obscure movies, or read books apart from Harry Potter. Music is always cool I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:41 PM
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about the nature of men and women and about what is really arousing to women Or, more accurately, what TRP thinks is the nature of women and what really gets them going.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:31 PM
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No, he literally says NAWALT. He says that not all women are like that, but the ones that TRP attracts are more likely to be what TRP says ALL women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:26 PM
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Humanity would be extinct in 80 years or so
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 09:00 PM
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Well, contrary to many strawmans that are used by RP, BP is not against self improvement at all. So my advice would be: Get in shape. Don't need to be lifting, running is fine too. The point is that you are fit. Get a hobby that makes good talking material. Make sure you're passionate about it. As much as you may love World of Warcraft, it's not good talking material for most girls. Start playing an instrument, or pick up a cool sport. Practice talking to people. Just start by saying hi to stran…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 08:58 PM
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I know, I know, but if you want to talk to TRP, you gotta use language they understand
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 08:06 PM
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How does one go about explaining a preference without rationalizing it? You don't. If it's just a prefence you say "I just feel like that". Is there any rational reason I prefer a white woman over a black woman? No, but it is just a feeling I have. I can't rationalize it with "black women are less thrustworthy" or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 07:21 PM
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If you have before you someone with high N, it's likely she also has other things like one or more of the following: Past abuse, past rape, baggage, daddy issues, personality disorders, I have never seen any kind of research pointing that out, unless we are talking about literal sex addiction (100+ partners).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 07:20 PM
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Sure, but I was more reacting with this obsession on here to know how many partners a girl had and then putting an absolute value to that. I mean the statement in the OP could apply to almost anything: You'll never know if a guy was abused unless he tells you You'll never know if a guy has a million dollars on his bank account unless he tells you etc etc. It's a very meaningless CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 06:27 PM
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Sure, it should be, no problem. I'm not arguiing that it should be. The issue is, for me, that TRP tries to hamster their preference for women with low N-counts and in the process finds as much ways as possible to devalue those women. Having a preference is okay. Shitting on people that don't meet your preference, claiming they don't have integrity, self control etc is not. I think TRP does this because having a preference and not rationalize it is seen by them as "feelings" and that is accordin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 02:27 PM
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I don't think so? When has a man who lied about his wealth ever been convicted as a rapist? And I don't mean in the "Hey, I'm rich, have sex with me and I'll pay your college tuition" way, but the "Hey, I'm rich, wanna have sex?" way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 02:09 PM
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Maybe I just don't want to wife up a woman that had a threesome in college? Or an orgy in a bounce house on spring break? A woman that spent 2 years abroad that treated it like a sex vacation?... That's fine. What's not fine is TRP desperately try to hamster their preference (feelings) with one study and a load of pseudo-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 02:01 PM
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It can certainly come with other problems. But unless you have the emotional intelligence of a five year old, you can probably spot these problems after knowing the person for some time. If there are other problems, just leave. If not, great! By staring yourself blind on one number because you'll believe it may bring some problems is very limiting to yourself. I mean, be my guest if you really want to do that, but still. If you commit within a month, you have yourself to blame for problems, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:47 PM
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Yes, but the point is that N-count is moderated by time to getting married. So, in that case, it doesn't matter if there's a high N-count if you take your time before giving commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:45 PM
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The fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:02 PM
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As in "don't worry about that" and a reminder to stay confident Well, you're not gonna make yourself taller anyways, so how is this not the best advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:14 PM
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Well it depends what you lie about. If you lie about penis size, be my guest (she's gonna find out anyway when the pants come off). Lying about your career? I wouldn't do it, but I don't see the harm (unless you frame it like "I work at the bank, sleep with me and I'll get you a job"). Lying about STD's or criminal record. Big no-no. What's all this misrepresenting? People wear make-up, wear flattering clothes etc to present themselves as more attractive all the time. It's not really lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:29 AM
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Well, we do already tax people who wear bras. A portion of the price of a bra is taxes. Nobody's complaining right? Besides, bras are very gender specific. Men simply don't need them. In a marriage, you don't want to pay alimony after divorce? Then don't be the largest earner by a large difference. Agree only to get married if your partner makes equal or close to equal money. That is your right.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:12 AM
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"If you don't really care how much you eat and you just happen to get a whole box of Oreos and you eat them all, that's not poor impulse control." Exactly. Poor impulse control is doing something you wouldn't do otherwise, because your impulses overcome you. If you don't care from the start, it's not about impulses. That's "I did it for no other reason than that I felt like doing it" Well, you could just as well spin that the other way. "I didn't do it for no other reason that I didn't feel like…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:50 AM
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Well, firstly I don't think it's been pointed that there is a very big difference, nor do I think that single study is particularly convincing. Especially because there can be many other factors that link promiscuity and infidelity that smart people can avoid (like getting married too fast). Furthermore, I could believe a small link exists between the two, regardless of other factors. However, the way that is interpreted on TRP (she is worthless for relationships, she lacks impulse control, she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:26 AM
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less happy I think marriage satisfaction was not measured. less stable marriages One possible reason: people who view sex as taboo (therefore don't have it before marriage) are also more likely to view divorce as a taboo. Anyway, my opinion on all this: It's always the same study pointed out, a few more, with solid methodology would be a lot more credible I can believe small differences exist. The way it's interpreted here "sleeping with more than 5 men will leave you unable to form bonds with p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:14 AM
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And I really really question why you think that so many women are actively thinking "I shouldn't sleep around to much". If you don't really care how much you sleep around and you just happen to get a lot of chances and you grab them, that's not poor impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:13 AM
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Well, if you want my arguments against it, just read that discussion, enough people provide it. Besides, even if what these studies said was somewhat true when applied to the general population, this statement: N counts greater than 4 or so lead to difficulties in forming stable bonds with people. Still doesn't make a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:49 PM
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People that don't sleep around much, or not at all (no sex before marriage) are more often religous and religion discourages divorce, even if the marriage isn't that great. I think that people that sleep around a lot also get married more impulsively (they have lower barriers to intimacy, which isn't necissarily bad thing, mind you, but it can lead to lower barriers to enter a committed relationship). Getting married too fast is definitely a big predictor for divorce. So instead of just looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:46 PM
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Well, like I said, that depends. A normal person who grows old is probably more expensive per year (on average) than an obese person. If we look at age 20-50, sure the obese person will come out ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:42 PM
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Actually, obese people are on average cheaper because they die earlier. Older people are by far the most expensive and many obese people never reach that phase in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:35 PM
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The biggest difference between smoking and being fat is that smoking directly affects those around you with negative effects as well. Being fat does not. People can be fat without compromising other person's bodily autonomy, smokers that smoke in public cannot. That's why there is more shaming aimed at smokers. That said, we could definitely do more to inform people about the dangers of being obese. I think most obese people have a pretty good idea, but just don't care enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:29 PM
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Well, I don't know where you live, but where I live there are some very well viewed programs on TV (called "Obese" for example) that show very fat people trying to lose weight. They are also quite direct in the unhealthy consequences that being fat will bring you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:22 PM
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Its about legitimizing an unhealthy lifestyle. So? People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:13 PM
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But I really don't think there are double standards as a mainstream believe. Some people (on both sides) have them. Red Pill has double standards in favor of men. Tumblrinas have them in favor of women. But society as a whole? There are a lot of double standards still in society, but I don't think this is one of them. Of course it depends on the severity of the lie (if you lie about being a sex offender, of course people are gonna be angry), but in general I'm not seeing the double standard here…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:13 PM
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So, by extrapolation, some people think that lying about penis size to get sex = rape. But disregarding, that it is still just "some people". Most people in the real world aren't on Tumblr and they don't hold these views. Most people in the real world aren't the crybabies from Yale.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:06 PM
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Firstly: promiscuity and infidelity These aren't the same thing obviously Secondly: What the hell are you trying to say? I've read it three times and I still don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:04 PM
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Did you read the sentence after that? That there are many arguments against it? If you link the study I would be glad to read it again and provide these arguments again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:03 PM
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You're assuming that people really think that a men lying about his penis size = rape. Hint: most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:02 PM
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And I say it's not. An impulse is something you feel in the moment, not something you think about a lot. Changing your plans a year later from "let's not sleep around" to "you know, I like sex and sleeping around isn't bad for me" is not bad impulse control. It may be a lot of things, but it is not bad impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:58 PM
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We already have mainstream movements like HAES. How mainstream is that really? I don't know many people that truly believe that being severely overweight is somehow just as healthy. We have the reshaping of the Barbie doll to have a fat stomach and big ass. So? The older one will still be in stores as well, and it's not like that barbie doll was a healthy model. I think that the new one is actually a lot healthier too (being somewhat chubby is way healthier than being as thin as barbie was). We …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:55 PM
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Yeah, citation needed there buddy. Unless it's a woman marrying a millionaire, she isn't getting ahead financially in the case of divorce. Of course, if she's the stay at home partner and the man makes 250k a year and they are married for 15 years, she will get a lot of alimony. But if the genders were switched, the man would get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:46 PM
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Sometimes plans change consciously, but often "plans change" is a euphemism for rationalizing one's current lifestyle. Didn't get into law school? "Eh, my plans changed -- I don't really want to be an attorney anymore." If you at 17 decide not to drink many beer for whatever reason, but at 19, with newfound life experience, decide that getting drunk sometimes is actually really fun and you've found out that you can get drunk safe (not getting aggressive etc), how is changing your plans to drink …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:44 PM
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Okay, but what do you mean with PC view? Widespread mainstream views? Or what the Tumblrinas from Fat Acceptance think? Because mainstream views do certainly believe that being slim does make a women more attractive. Look at almost all advertising for example. And almost nobody takes the Tumblrinas seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:42 PM
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N counts greater than 4 or so lead to difficulties in forming stable bonds with people. Unless you provide reliable citations, that's horseshit. By the time you can tell the damage, it is too late. If you believe that, you're getting committed way too fast
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:41 PM
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Which is a convoluted way to say that social conditioning does play a good role in determining attractiveness. As does biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:36 PM
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They planned on doing one thing (sleeping with a modest number of people) That's just you saying that. There is a difference between not explicitly planning to sleep with a lot of people (a lot of people do that), and explicitly planning to sleep with a lot of people. The first thing just means that you haven't decided either way. Besides, peoples plans do change if they get life experience. That's not poor impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:34 PM
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To them its all social conditioning. Truth is, a lot of it is social conditioning. If a white man would grow up among black people, and only black people, I'd wager he would find black women more attractive. Of course not all of it is social conditioning (wide hips or something is attractive because of childbearing capacities I believe), but you get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:24 PM
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Depends. A lot of people on TRP consider 15 very high. If you're in college for 3 years, that is only 5 per year. I wouldn't call that a lot. Even so, this has nothing to do with impulse control, unless she actually said to herself "Ok, no sleeping around this month", and she did it anyway because the impulse became unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:21 PM
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The point is that at the point you start marrying (or any other form of commitment that's not easy to get out of), you'll already know if you are happy with your partners behaviour. I mean, N-count isn't a very good indicator of marital succes anyway (there's been one study that showed correlation between N-count and divorce, and there are many arguments to be made against that one), and therefore, why not look at your partners actual behaviour before you commit, instead of one number?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:07 PM
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So why care so much? I never really understood this caring so much about a silly number. If you go into a long term relationship with someone, you presumable do so after you've known that person for some time. If a woman is somehow "damaged" because she slept around, you'd be able to tell by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 09:27 PM
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Poor impulse control would suggest that someone wasn't going to do X, but did it anyway when the moment presents itself because that person couldn't resist the impulse. So a woman who goes out and thinks to herself "Let's just see what tonight will bring me" and ends up in a strangers bed doesn't have poor impulse control. Or maybe she does, but the aforementioned scenario doesn't have anything to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 09:24 PM
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At that point you could just as well get married according to normal rules
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:28 AM
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Yes she could get an entry level job. But she could have gotten a better job had she worked on her career. The entite point of these marriage laws is that it allows people to do unpaid work (housework for example) that needs to be done in marriage, but not suffer for it in case of a divorce. With OP's laws, who would ever want to be the partner who stays at home or works parttime?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:21 AM
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There is one problem though. In most marriages, one person makes the most money and the other does the housework/cares for the kids if they are there. That person gives up their chance to develop a career, and does not make money, but does contribute to the marriage. Marriage exists also so that that contribution is not lost when the couple splits up. In your scenario, the partner who works has significant power over the partner who stays at home, especially with seperate accounts going on. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:51 PM
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Nah
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 06:02 PM
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I studied in Canada for the better part of a year, but I'm from the Netherlands
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:57 PM
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jesus christ men are second class citizens in europe As a man from Europe: nah
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:51 AM
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Roses are red Or green I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:49 AM
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Bullshit. If you were to internalize what TRP says you can't even work on yourself as a woman. Because you are biologically predispositioned to be dishonest, manipulating, lacking empathy etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:48 AM
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Hey, you understood my point!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:45 AM
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Care to elaborate? Is that even legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:45 AM
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Fair enough. Even so, the "financial incentive" to divorce that women have (according to TRP) is basically nonsense. They generally don't do better financially after a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:44 AM
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The woman's POV in a marriage that's shafting the man isn't all that relevant to men. It is though, because there may very well be a good reason these men are getting shafted, that they don't see themselves. If we heard the woman's POV, we might say "ah that's the problem, but I don't do that, so no worries for me". Also not that relevant to men. If I'm flat broke and my neighbor has a dollar less than me, does that make me better off? Well it is in a sense related to TRP marriage horror stories…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:44 AM
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Both can be a wonderful thing if all goes well, but is fraught with the risk of destroying a man's entire life. I feel like you're a bit indoctrinated with horror stories that TRP posts about marriages. You do realize they intentionally seek out the worst stories and talk about that right? And that because there are 300 million people in the US alone, there are always a few bad stories around. And that you'll never hear a story from the other side (the womans POV), because that would never be po…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:35 PM
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No, I lack empathy for others who lack empathy for me in the first place. If you hate me based on my gender because some other man did shit to you, I don't have empathy for you, because you clearly lack it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:22 PM
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You know why she doesn't? Because the guy in questions seems to be hating on all women because one or two or three treated him badly. If a girl was hating on men and telling me that I'm no good because some other man hit her, I'm not gonna consider her feelings. I'm gonna think she's an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 10:58 PM
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Or its you bending your interpretation. "I need sex and intimacy" won't get mocked that bad. "I need sex and intimacy with that girl" will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:38 PM
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This guy is mocked for the way he chases his needs. He isn't mocked because he said "I want sex". Context is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 04:07 PM
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Blue Pill mocks RP for the methods they use, not their needs. Unless they frame their needs as "I couldn't help myself, I just had to ignore my wife for a week because she didn't give me sex!". I challenge you to find a BP post/article outside of the extreme radfem sphere (after all, TRP always says BP is the mainstream ideology, so that's where you should find it), where men who want some sex are mocked just for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 10:22 AM
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Imagine you're a woman. Some guy keeps on rambling how woman are incredible privileged, how they are dishonest, manipulative etc etc. They cannot love like a man, they cannot work like a man etc etc. Now you find out that there's a place full of guys like this. Of course you're gonna hate that place. Maybe these guys got in that place because some other woman treated them like shit. It doesn't matter. That doesn't make it any better for them to talk shit about every woman. A woman doesn't care i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 12:15 AM
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The wife might not even realize she's doing something wrong. Some people act that way to other people without being aware of it. And instead of talking about what's bothering him, OP just starts doing it too. If OP keeps this up, it is a great way of ruining a relationship by taking a problem that could easily solved by calm communication and blowing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 12:10 AM
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Better than not raising at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:38 PM
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Mother going to jail is a recipe for disaster for the child. You want more criminals? That's how you make them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:16 PM
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That's celebs. Entire celeb world is crazy with divorces around every corner from both parties. I don't know enough about that to make an informed statement. But it's not the norm, I know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:14 PM
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An adult can provide for themselves (except in some cases, but that's what disability support etc is for). A child cannot. Still I support the state paying for the bare necessities of the people who can't afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:12 PM
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The child is entitled to proper care and food. I don't care if it comes from the father or the state, as long as the child gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:36 PM
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If you can't see how that is nowhere near the same thing, I can't help you see it. You can stop with foreplay any moment and there will be no further consequences. After engaging in sex, the child might be there and it's not going away if you snap your fingers. And yes, men and women are held to a different standard concerning getting children. That's because the child happens to grow inside the woman and not the man. Blame biology if you don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:29 PM
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Well by European standards, you're doing pretty bad. Sure, your rich are richer. But the wealth is very very unevenly distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:24 PM
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the state forcibly garnished all the mom's food, and/or sold off all her possessions, in order to give food directly to the child? What does it do the child any good if the mom is now starving and has difficulty taking care of the child because of that? If you make the mom suffer like that, the child suffers with her. And her other stuff? Being a single mom isn't a rich life, especially without child support. Because currently that is what sometimes happens to men, except they have no right to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 09:37 PM
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Number one economy in the world. And pretty high on the poverty rate too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 09:32 PM
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Well we don't want to see a child die in any case. There's a reason you can only abort early in the pregnancy. The more humanlike a child becomes, the more rights it gets. And if you truly think children should just starve because their mom made a shitty decision, you should try starving because of someone elses decision yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:40 PM
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A threat is almost always about what people perceive. If I'm standing in the doorway with knife saying "Hey, give me some money", you could reasonalby interpret that as a threat. Although he did not specify harm if you don't give him money. But nobody would disagree with you seeing that as a threat. A big guy could hurt a small woman just as easily as a man with knife could hurt you (or me). Thus, same rules apply. Honestly, it's not hard to just listen what other people say and don't pressure t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:52 PM
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Goddamn it do you even read what I said? I said that if a man says something that could in the eyes of most people be interpreted as a threat, him being big makes it more likely that the other party feels threatened. If someone with a water pistol in hand says "I want your money" you wouldn't feel threatened. But if he had a real gun, you would. But he didn't actually threaten you, he just said "I want your money". In the second scenario, the guy can easily hurt you, but not in the first scenari…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:23 PM
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Citation needed here friend
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:04 PM
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Except she has the obligation to financially support him as well. However, in almost all marriages he makes more money, so that doesn't fly. If she makes more money, he's still entitled to half of the marital assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:02 PM
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then a married woman is not owed financial support, emotional support, attention, Correct on all but one. Financial support is agreed upon by the act of marriage itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:58 PM
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Oh, if someone points a gun at you and says "Give me your money, okay", that's not a threat, unless he said "or I'll shoot you"!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:56 PM
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So in your scenario, the big guy's very presence is a threat of physical violence. Simply by being there and being twice her size, he's "using force". Standing there and implying that she's not leaving until he gets what he wants. Different thing. I'm not saying I necessarily agree that it was objectively a threat (won't always be the case), but there are so many grey areas where it can very well (reasonable) interpreted as such. and then to be very clear about her "NO". It becomes my responsibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:53 PM
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I expended upon that example in my reaction. Anyway, that is not just his existence. It's that together with context, what he says, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:50 PM
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I'm all for it. 2 things: If the man wants out and the woman wants the child, but she doesn't do it because the man doesn't want it. (thus doing what many would see as the responsible thing), the man pays the abortion and pays her for her time that it took to abort. He wanted out, he has to make it happen. If the man says "ok" and she doesn't want it, she pays. They both don't want it, they share the costs. The state will support women who are in financial need when related to their children. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:48 PM
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Oh come on, you think that is commonly held belief outside of a few whining feminist circles? Go ahead, ask some women on the street "do you think drinking during pregnancy should be outlawed/fined/very much discouraged?". Beside, apart from the clickbait bullshit you linked, most of it was complains about telling women who aren't pregnant yet what to do. Yes that is a misunderstanding of the original message. But it hardly amounts to what you are saying. EDIT: Even the commenters on that articl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:42 PM
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I would be interested to hear blue-pull arguments about why they shouldn't. Blue Pill mostly doesn't want the father to pay. They want someone to pay the mother (or the father if he's the single parent), to help support the child. The child has that right. It can be the state for all I care. But someone needs to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:40 PM
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You know, it's funny. Some women claim the very presence of a man is the use or threat of use of physical violence. And I challenge you to find a case where that is taken seriously. That's a strawman. However, as for the rest, if you are twice the size of a woman and (in a sexual context for example), if you initiate, it is your responsibility to make sure she's okay with it. If you push past the first no, because she might not be serious (LMR in TRP speak), she might very well interpret that as…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:36 PM
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Yeah I feel this is going too far. Mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:29 PM
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See that's up for interpretation. Say he keeps standing in the door jokingly saying that. It would not be force, but it could very well be interpreted as a threat to use force. Particularly people with bad social skills might do this, who can't read situational contexts well. If they have internalized the idea of LMR, well that's where "false", rape accusation can also come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:20 PM
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Problem is in the interpretation. He might jokingly say "Don't I get a blowjob before you leave?" while standing in front of the door. For him that's a joke. But depending on context, she can interpret that as a threat. It's a grey area in a lot of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:14 PM
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Selection bias. Unsuccesful stories don't get posted as much, or if they are, are downvoted. Of course it's bound to work 1 in 100 times. If the other 99 times get downvoted, not posted at all (or removed for trolling, TRP bans pretty easily), then it's pretty easy to believe that it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:52 PM
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Well to be honest, talking about a decline is also part of their rethoric, so they can later say "But I will reverse that decline!". It presents a contrast between America without their leadership and America with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 11:18 AM
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This is a very pragmatic goal, such that EVEN IF, say, it turned a man into an avoidant-dismissive with a cynical attitude towards intimacy and relationships, it wouldn't matter unless it harmed his ability to attract women. Disagree. A lot of TRP'ers are still young and their priorities may change later in life (aka they may want a longer relationship). The ideas that TRP drills into these guys are very damaging to actually achieve that (I believe TRP works on certain women, enough women to sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 10:01 AM
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Good point. On the other hand, the internet and social media can also help socially awkward people because the barrier for making friends is lower. At any rate, I think it is wrong to blame "just be yourself" dating advice, because if you interpret that as "I don't need to improve" you're misreading the advice and you're probably socially awkward already.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 01:57 PM
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It's not an excuse. Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 01:46 PM
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One thing socially awkward guys do is not engage in conservations social interactions much. Now, with the internet, they can talk anonymously, which is way easier. Thus, there are more places where you can see how many there are. It's not that there are more, it's that you couldn't see them as well twenty/thirty/forty/fifty years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:48 AM
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A lot of useful advice can actually be found on TRP, but I wouldn't consider it TRP advice, since it was around long before TRP. Advice like that includes: Exercise Dress well Have the guts to engage in social interactions Have confidence/believe that you are "worth" the attention from other people However, the advice more specific to TRP is mostly wrong. That includes: Lift. Exercising is great, but TRP vastly overestimates how attractive muscles are. As long as you are in decently good shape, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:28 AM
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Hows that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:26 PM
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State forced abortions Never gonna happen. Bodily autonomy trumps all. Besides, women would just keep their pregnancy secret if it were like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:20 PM
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Because the child didn't choose to be born. You didn't make that choice either. But in the end you did make a choice that led to the child being born (having sex). Even if you have 1% responsibility in the child being born, the child has 0% responsibility. Thus if the child needs help and the mother can't do it, they look for the next person who is most responsible for the child being born. Which is the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:19 PM
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Because the child's rights are the most important here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:46 PM
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I'm only one data point of course, but... That basically says it all. I'm not saying that women you get outside of TRP will never be like that, but that AWALT is useless unless you go for a very specific subset of women. And even then it may fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 06:52 PM
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AWALT isn't just about cheating, it's also about solipsism, blame shifting, emotional impulsiveness etc. That's the point though, there are tons and tons of emotionally mature women who don't do blame shifting, emotional impulsiveness etc. It's because with TRP tactics, you will usually get the women that are more prone to this, since TRP tactics are geared towards this kind of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 06:39 PM
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But RPis actually segmenting as you suggest. They segment humans into two catagories. Then they stop. ACALT (all consumers are like that) would be horrible marketing advice. AFCALT (all female consumers are like that) is a little bit better but still won't get you very far. And that's beside the obvious trouble of TRP using AWALT to describe any negative trait they perceive one women to have. And that they never use AWALT to describe anything positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:48 PM
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Tell that to TRP though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:27 PM
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Burden of proof is on you right now. You said most BP posts were assholish, but you seem to be unable to single one out and explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:01 PM
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Both of which are usually borne out to be generally true. There you go. Even if they were generally true (which can be debated), they don't work as well on individual cases. You know why a lot of advice on /r/relationships is "see a therapist"? It's because you can't give specific advice from a single internet post. A therapist spends hours talking and getting to know you and then gives advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:00 PM
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Even besides that, there's enough stuff on TRP that says "She travels? She will do X!" "She denies sex twice in a row? She thinks Y!". Those are specific generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:56 PM
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Ah well. If you can't actually say something meaninful, you could have told me ten comments ago and I'd have saved some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:52 PM
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Broad, rough generalizations are valid. Indeed. Doesn't mean that every rough generalization is also true. Many rough generalizations on TRP would be valid, if only they were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:42 PM
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Basically all you're saying there is "you can't use tricks, routines and rehearsed lines". Visit MRP, where they apply TRP theory to long term relationships. Tons of posts "My wife did X, I'm applying dread level Y and doing Z exactly as you guys said". That's not rough advice, that is a very specific guide on how to do stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:41 PM
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You're talking yourself out if it. Show me one post and explain how it is cruel. If you can't do that, I'm not feeling like taking your seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:34 PM
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You didn't answer the question. Which posts on TBP right now do you think are assholish?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:26 PM
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What you're saying is that generalizations aren't useful. I didn't. I said they become less and less useful, the fewer people you're dealing with. Since most people in a relationship are dealing with one person, generalizations will work best in their roughest forms (Women like fit men is a very rough generalization and will most likely work in your relationship). But specific generalizations, that tie an action to specific behaviours and thoughts, aren't much good in your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:24 PM
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Because if they weren't serious, they wouldn't have taken the time to post it in the first place, they would have had a laugh and moved on. You know BP posts these things to share the laugh? It's full of assholish headlines saying mean things with the user behind it being totally serious. Curious here, which headlines that are on the FP right now do you think are assholish?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:22 PM
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That study has been debunked and explained a zillion times. A few key points: The pics from men weren't taken that well It's only one site Women messaged much more men that they considered "below attractive" than men messaged women that they considered "below attractive" in that study.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:20 PM
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It is not possible to observe people and their actions, and reach any understandings at all about people, sex, dating, mating, and sexual relationships. You misunderstood entirely. It is possible to gain a rough understanding of people. If you're dealing with a large crowd of people and you can't single them out for example, betting on average behaviours is for the best. But if you deal with a few, or one person, treating them according to your "average person theories" won't always work. A roug…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:17 PM
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I've encountered the sense of entitlement far more with women that I have with men. Of course you have. After all you're not trying to date men, so you wouldn't have much experience with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:12 PM
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They say the most horrible shit, then follow it up with "I was just joking" to absolve themselves. So where does TBP say horrible shit while being serious? Please, point me to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:08 PM
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You realize it's mostly for laughs right? There is more "look at how ridiculous this TRP thing is", than real outrage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:04 PM
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Not offended. Amused.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 03:50 PM
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I would ask myself how I could possibly come to that conclusion. I see a lot of healthy relationships around me (and mine too), and none of them work like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 03:49 PM
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What do you mean by that? Falling off a high building won't kill you either, it's the impact with the ground that does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 03:23 PM
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You must be the less invested person in the relationship. Until she thinks the same thing and it all starts to fall apart. I'm not hypothesizing this either, I've been told this directly. That makes it true?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 03:21 PM
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Not having sex won't kill you but it sucks bad. Denying that is denying the real pain of a lot of people imo. But hating/complaining about women because they won't give you sex or not in the way you like it? Then you're just an asshole. But wanting sex is natural, after all we are all programmed to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 03:10 PM
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Then you haven't seen both subs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 09:13 AM
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Funny that you ask since I'm majoring in marketing. No, what I meant is that Xem is trying to put humans into too little boxes (suits or tuxedos). That question is so down to personal preference that a generalized answer is meaningless. You know what one of the most important lessons of marketing is? There are no average customers This means that while there are certain trends that mean "on average, the customer does this", 90% of customers are different enough from the average that actually tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 09:12 AM
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That's fine, but if you it all the time it probably won't work in your favor
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 09:07 AM
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Post downvoted to zero I know that MRP doesn't agree with whatever he does. But this guy posted on MRP and used his TRP knowlegde. And he's an idiot. Idiot + TRP = BP material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:05 AM
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Lemme tell you a cliche here that you may or may not want to hear: It's not only how you dress, it's also how you act, and the vibe you give off. If you still think of yourself as a loser, people will feel that vibe coming off you and you can dress however you want and it won't help you. But wearing a suit with a "I can handle the world and I'm good looking in this suit" attitude helps you a lot. But most of all Xem, stop trying to analyze and perfectly understand all this human behaviour. Human…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:03 AM
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Dude, seriously? Women won't go out with me! Therefore they think they are hotter than they actually are!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:32 PM
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SRS are a bunch of bigots who get offended at anything. BP is laughing at RP. We bash RP because it's so idiotic that the only thing you can do is watch and laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:30 PM
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You misspelled "normal people"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:29 PM
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I dunno. Could be because I live in Europe, but I don't think advice like that gets taken so literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 09:57 PM
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But outside of Tumblrinas, who takes it that serious? Mainstream Body acceptance is about not being shamed for being a little chubby.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 09:45 PM
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Being nice is not the same as just doing everything for everyone else without ever saying no or asking something in return. Nor is it doing unsollicited things for people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 09:15 PM
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Fair enough. I've never heard it or at the very least interpret it as such. I always took it to mean "don't change who you are others". And I'm just still me if I improve my skills or exercise, so that's not changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 09:03 PM
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You don't need to "improve". Really, where is that presented nowadays? I never see JBY described as you do it now. If you ask for advice to become more attractive on any mainstream dating advice site, the first advices are exercise and work on social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:59 PM
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should love him for "just who he is" though, This is just silly. "Just be yourself" doesn't mean "don't dress better, don't go out and don't improve your social skills", it means "don't pretend to like heavy metal just to impress a girl". Are people really misintepreting this that often?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:44 PM
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So in your opinion if a nerd gets a bunch of muscle and socializes a bit he's no longer a nerd even though he thinks the same? He might be a nerd or not, but he's not the stereotypical nerd anymore. People won't see him with a girl and say "hey that nerd has a girl!", because people don't see him as a nerd anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 08:40 PM
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Therefore it is wrong that TRP tries to objectify value with things like SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:50 PM
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Sure, but 20 is still very much an outlier. And I really would not judge you if you said "20 is too much, I'd rather not". Average is about 5 or 6 I think, which is perfectly fine. Point is that TRP first heavily inflates N counts (with their personal beliefs as the only proofs), than argues that these women are almost always irreversible damaged goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:38 PM
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Because the stereotypical nerds, (those who you claim do not hook up) often lack a bit in social skills, and don't take care of themselves as well as they should. Nerds who are not the stereotypical nerd are not identified as a nerd and thus cannot break the belief that nerds get no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:29 PM
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TRP says that a woman will often be attracted to this guy. What TRP forgets is that she may be physically attracted to this guy in the same way that married (in a good marriage) men can still be physically attracted to other girls, but that attraction is a lot more than that. TRP never seems to consider that in relationship so much attraction is build up from shared experiences. A random stranger cannot replicate that attraction on the go. There are studies indicating as much, so if you doubt my…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:27 PM
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The difficulty is that UNhappy marriages may very well get a woman looking for a "better mate" But why always frame that as women-exclusive? Men do that as well, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:24 PM
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is a lesser prospect than someone with a more ordinary sexual history. Only because you think so. Now, 100 is a very high number and almost nobody has that high of a number. 15-20 is still very high and I'd argue that doesn't necessarily damage relationship potential. It might, but then again, there are so many things that might lessen relationship potential. If anything, a woman with multiple partners getting into a relationship with you is much better for you, because she's compared you to her…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:23 PM
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Sorry, but if a woman values herself so little that she'll let a random stranger fuck her in a bathroom in a bar, that's not someone who I'm looking to spend the rest of my life with. How is having sex with 20 people in three years (an example of what TRP would see as an outrageously high N count) having sex with random strangers in bathrooms? It's not even 1 partner per month.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:20 PM
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Your logic works on assumptions that are fundamentally wrong and have been discussed to death here. I'm not gonna discuss that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:16 PM
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And to say that women naturally hypergamous, doesn't mean a woman can't have a happy marriage. This just means that women pick the best partner possible right? But everyone does that. If I have two possible partners lined up, I'm gonna pick the best one right? Lets look at AWALT. To say AWALT, isn't to say literally that every single woman does this or that. To further elaborate on this, saying AWALT want the best possible option for a relationship is allright. I mean, it's probably true. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:14 PM
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And a pencil sharpener is meant to be penetrated by a pencil. Checks out guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:08 PM
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but you can't argue the reasoning behind it Then you cannot argue the reasoning behind mine. Men and women aren't locks and keys. They aren't pencils and sharpeners. This doesn't have anything to do with how easy or hard it is to get laid. You value doesn't decrease if you get laid a lot because "it's easier for you to get laid". Sure, you may have your standards and you are entitled to them. Saying "all women who sleep around are worthless relationship material", that is misogynistic. It's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:06 PM
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Still, 1 women who has, say 100, can bump up eleven women who have 1. You need the median to make sound conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:03 PM
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Of course not. It was an example to show you how pointless these analogies are. Do you seriously believe that a woman is comparable to a lock, because it can only opened by a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:55 PM
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Okay, that seems fair. Let's assume that women actually report half of their sexual partners. That still puts women at an average of 7 partners in a lifetime, an average that is likely very much increased by the few who sleep around a lot. And around 20% of the women would have more than 15 sexual partners. Even if we take these stats with a ridiculous grain of salt, it still doesn't come close to TRP claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:54 PM
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm There your go. Note that it says "median" and not average. These stats indicate that women sleep around less, and that the few women who sleep around a lot, provide for somewhat more men that sleep around. (thus the women who sleep around the most sleep around more than the men who sleeps around the most) It's like 80/20, but the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:43 PM
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To put it as an analogy "How great is a key that can open many locks and how shitty is a lock that can be opened by many keys?" Jesus that one again. You can just as easily say "How great is a pencil that's been sharpened a lot (and is thus very short and will eventually become useless), compared to a pencil sharpener that has done a lot sharpening?". It still works with biotruthsTM because men "the pencils" still seek out the "pencil sharpeners" and not the other way around. Using analogies lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:40 PM
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I mean I totally volunteer for those surveys just so I can lie. Not that anyone can see my impressive statistics (that I made up) because it is anonymous anyway. I use my time to boast about things I made up while no one will ever know it! You must be able to see that makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:35 PM
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Sure, women who voluntarily participate in anonymous surveys would probably lie right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:30 PM
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Hey you convienently left this out: Oh? Men who sleep around? Alphas full of value! I suppose you do agree with that then? Because that still makes you misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:29 PM
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You can be nice and kind without being a doormat. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:55 PM
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So why exactly is stating "large portion of women sleep around with hot guys" misognynistic?" It isn't misogynistic. And based on pretty much every study/survey it isn't true too. You know what is misogynistic? A large portion of women sleep around. Worthless sluts they are, with no value left for any men. Oh? Men who sleep around? Alphas full of value!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:54 PM
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After all, your real audience in these debates isn't the person with whom you disagree, it's all the other people who happen upon the thread and read your words. That's why people do debate on here. But the BP sub isn't there for an undecided audience. It's for people who want to make fun of RP. That's it. "there's no use in discussing this with you" and "do your own research" and "it's not my job to educate you" and "I'm not going to enact the labor" and "this is a safe space" and "this isn't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:51 PM
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Because, unconsciously, if you only see a picture of a person, you form opinions about them. It's what people do. That doesn't mean these opinions are set in stone. Maybe you don't. But almost everyone does. It's unconscious. If you see a person that looks like another person you trust, you are more inclined to trust them too. That's just a fact. As for your example: I've had women from tinder say to me: "Wow, you're way funnier than I thought. You look so serious in your photo. You realize they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:48 PM
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Dude, you know what satire is right? It's taking ideas you disagree with and then overreacting for fun. That's what BP does. The value is fun for people who think RP is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:44 PM
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Try MRP: https://np.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/42thd7/edging_the_main_event/ Although he doesn't go lifting, he's clearly not listening to his wife's needs. https://np.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/42yz1i/back_rubs/ Wife wants something? Nope, man no like so wife no get. And that's just of the top of my head. There are definitely men on TRP who just ignore any need their partner has because "helping them when they don't get sex back is a BP thing". That's what we at BP make fun of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:43 PM
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Dunno, I just know exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 01:55 PM
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It's basically a "biotruth" that people judge other people on pictures if that's the only thing they have. It's how you let these assumptions define you in your interactions with that person that matter. If you never make assumptions based on a picture, congratulations, you are the 0.1%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:28 AM
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Everybody does that buddy. People automatically complete the image of a person based on limited info. If all they see is a picture, they work with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:18 AM
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Yes, that is great fodder for humor. When your partner literally asks for your support, how do you think it will help your relationship if you prompty walk in the other direction? If you believe giving support when asked for will not help your relationship, it's beyond saving already.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:54 AM
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The idea that becoming physically attractive will help your romantic prospects? They don't make fun of this. They just don't. They do make fun of the idea that all women are into massively muscled men, which they aren't. A strong commitment to a healthy lifestyle, and They make fun of the total obsession with lifting, not just a strong commitment. There's guys on MRP that go: "The wife was sad today and asked for my support, but I'm my own man so I went lifting instead". That's the kind of thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:49 AM
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Yeah agreed. They don't always give good advice, but it is arguably quite in line with many things RP would say. I think the sub just loves drama and will often give the most dramatic and drastic advice possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:47 AM
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Yes, but only because TRP says "go lift" as a "lesson learned" on many posts where it actually irrelevant. It's their total obsession with lifting that BP makes fun of, they do not deny that exercising is healthy and good for both you and your romantic prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:45 AM
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Meh. I rarely see advice I would disagree with and I'm a man. Mind pointing out some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:59 PM
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Why don't you guys start a TBP that isn't satire, that actually brings value to people. There are already plenty of subs that do that. /r/relationships /r/sex /r/seduction /r/dating /r/tinder You want advice, you can go there. TBP isn't for that. It's for making fun of what 90% of redditors consider insane ramblings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:05 PM
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That's the nature of the sub though. They make fun of everything RP/RoK etc. But you'll notice that even on the BP sub, a guide on how to dress or lift would almost never be posted, because that's not considered bad advice (and let's be honest, lifting isn't really a truth that only RP sees). Look at the frontpage right now. No post makes fun of an idea I consider reasonable. There's one about a dislike for GoT, but that is downvoted. No post there says "don't lift or dress well lol that doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:02 PM
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If I told you that the sky is purple with orange speckles, you probably wouldn't try and discuss with me since there'd be no use. The idea is so ridiculous that you don't even consider seriously discussing it. That's how BP feels about the most extreme TRP ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:54 PM
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I'm a man. I think about 50% Purely appearance based around 50%. But whether or not I actually ask them depends way more on how I like them personnaly, if we share some interest and humor etc Same as two
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 06:43 PM
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Not quite. If guys (nice or not) were just like "OK, no biggie" after a rejection, I don't think they'd be disliked much. It's that they blame women for their own failing to recognize that perspectives/realities might be different. Look at subs like /r/niceguys . That isn't about genuiely nice guys. Either it's about guys totally worshipping women till it's rather creepy, or it's about guys who are like "I bought her roses and she dates the assholes!". I challenge you to find a post that makes f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:26 PM
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Both of their experiences are valid. But being bitter and rude because his reality is different (aka no date), that's on him. And that's what people dislike about these niceguys(tm)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:20 PM
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They probably realize or at least suspect it when a man is attracted to them. I didn't say they don't. Thing is, they just continue doing things that they consider 'just friends I'm not romantically interested' things. However, some guys thinkthat these justfriends things imply romantical attraction, because they would use it to indicate romantical attraction. Thus, when the girl says no to a date, she's obviously an ass for leading him on, except the only leading on happened in the guys head.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 03:55 PM
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I think a big part of this problem is (some) guys thinking that girls think in the same way they do. Ex: "Casual sex makes me happy. Girls can get it easier. How arrogant and priviliged that they are not happy!" "When I have dinner with a girl that means I'm romantically interested. She has dinner with me! She must be romantically interested! What she's not? Girls always leading me on and hating nice guys!" I think this is where a lot of bitterness from guys comes from (not all, some women are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 01:25 PM
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Very much subjective IMO. For some guys higher N count is a dealbreaker, for some it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 01:04 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/42thd7/edging_the_main_event/czd95n0 Take this guy (links to a comment, his main post is also there). Sure, he says that there were some small problems, but he also says that "the rest was golden". The guy goes completely overboard thanks to TRP things he read on the internet (and he even goes too far for TRP). He's making all his problem ten times worse. This is a perspective from the other side, on what TRP can do to men who are easily impression…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:19 PM
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I believe you're having two logical errors here: 1) Reddit is predominantly male, of course the male part will have way more subs 2) The problem of both sides of FA is that they're not feeling wanted. But the solution is not necessarily the same. When a man gets a one night stand once a month, he can feel wanted, while a woman that gets that once a month might not feel that way. Because I think there's some truth in the matter that women can get laid easier and that when it comes to casual sex m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:34 PM
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You are assuming that for everyone who has the option monogamy vs polygamy they'll choose polygamy. A lot of people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:21 PM
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That's the entire point. Woman (and man) don't just want someone that will treat them right. They want someone they are attracted to and who is willing to commit to a relationship. You don't always find that within a week on a dating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:10 PM
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Care to link it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:04 PM
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aving dealt with my fair share of "nice guys", I call bull shit. I've met some genuinely nice guys who are actually great but seems the majority of em get butt hurt when you don't wanna have a relationship with them or at the very least fuck them. This one? She's literally saying, fuck the guys who are assholes about not getting a relationship. Not fuck guys who are just nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:01 PM
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Did you read the posts and comments? The post is downvoted, indicating that BP doesn't agree that genuiely nice guys are shamed. The comments indicate that the BP'ers feel that it's the Niceguys TM that are shamed and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:59 PM
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Show me then. Shouldn't be hard to find a few solid examples if they do it all the time. Because I can't find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:44 PM
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That's literally what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:41 PM
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I have never seen BP shitting on men who can't get sex. I have seen BP shitting on men who can't get sex and are assholes about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:39 PM
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You think women can easily get a relationship that they are happy with? That they can just walk into one? I say that might be harder than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:38 PM
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I think it's a bit different. I think most men can be happy from casual sex with NSA, moreso than women can. So they essentially say: "Hey, you can do the thing that makes me happy without much trouble, you privileged woman!" While that might not make the woman very happy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:31 PM
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You cannot claim you are oppressed yet be under-represented in the shittiest jobs... Well you can, if the reason you are under-represented in the shittiest jobs is because the men doing these jobs don't take you seriously at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:26 PM
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It's about husbands who used to think there was nothing significantly wrong, stumbled upon TRP and suddenly saw problems/red flags everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:25 PM
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However, alongside challenging such attitudes, they need to promote women in these fields. Yes, but how many women want to work in a non-prestigious field where no one will take them seriously be virtue of them being women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:01 PM
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No. But if someone is accused of rape, and society turns against them before seeing proof, their rights aren't infringed too. But society does use the "guilty until proven innocent" metric and it does hurt falsely accused victims. I think it is very bad that TRP says that one is bad (the rape cases), but does it the other way around themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:00 PM
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It depends on the field. For example, I've read stories about women working in traditionally male fields (like construction). One story in particular was about a woman who was a safety advisor in construction. She had to actually carry official safety guidelines around, even though she knew them by heart. Why? Because the men on the job wouldn't believe her or take her serious if she just said it. They just wouldn't listen. This is men ignoring their supervisor because they didn't think a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:57 PM
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Sure it was. Roosh is actually a good guy! He totes didn't mean it. Even if it was satire, guys who post stuff like that on their blog cannot expect to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:53 PM
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The reason for me to considering a single mother to be a priori someone "evil" And the reason why I think that this is dangerous is that this is basically an extension of the "guilty until proven innocent" line of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:52 PM
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If the only thing TRP was doing was making men have more sex with fully consenting women, I'd be okay with that. But they do a heck of a lot more. They constantly try to rationalize why women can't make rational decisions, why no doesn't have to mean no, why women are dishonest etc etc. If enough people internalize these teachings, that will lead to unhappiness in women. Therefore BP opposes TRP. Besides, some threads on asktrp, or mrp are people who describe a marriage where nothing was wrong u…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:38 PM
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Then again, how often do you see hyper-rational men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:33 PM
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Agreed. Point is I was disagreeing with the OP. We all make decisions that factor in emotions, and I haven't seen much evidence that women are often more emotional. Only thing I've seen is they avoid hurting others in their decision making process more. (It's in some other study linked in this thread)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:20 PM
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Sure. So now the question is, do women take more irrational risks or something like that. Do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:13 PM
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I don't deny that these women exist. They're the scum of the earth imo. Using a child for your own advantage is very low. But I do question the use of these kind of women in general child support discussions, since they are outliers and thus not relevant to 99% of the cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:06 PM
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Well, there's always the risk of it breaking. Strictly speaking he would be better of not sleeping with random girls. But of course no one does that. Why do people go to the movies? To be entertained. Is going to the movies not an emotional decision then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:54 PM
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Pretty much I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:43 PM
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But in the end, you go with your emotions. If a man were to do 100% rational things, he'd never sleep with a woman he doesn't want to have kids with. But men want sex, so they go against their rational interests. That is not a bad thing. But it shows that on deeper level, everyone is driven by their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:42 PM
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Lemme give you an example. If you need to choose whether or not to stay with your partner, you can do it all rationally and such: partner makes a lot of money, is always nice to, looks good etc. But if you know you aren't actually happy with that partner because of a feeling you have, it's never gonna work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:37 PM
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I think most people saying that just have a profound lack of self-awareness. "I always base all my decisions on logic! Therefore men can do that!". If you read TRP, you'll see that almost all the decisions are based on some kind of gut feeling. That is not a bad thing, but it is also using your emotions to make a decision. Besides, a lot of times the rational choice is choosing with your emotion. If you need to make a decision that needs to make you happy, you don't logically lay it all out. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:26 PM
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You've done parenting? Or is this just your fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:13 PM
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She wanted to have a kid so badly she did it against her partners wishes. She should be having the time of her life. Man, you are disconnected from reality. Wanting to have the kid that's growing in your body equals sitting on your ass doing nothing now? EDIT: All these single moms you speak of in the UK, how many had the kid against the explicit wish of the father? And how many times did the father walk away when the kid was 8 months pregnant/one or two years old?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:04 PM
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Taking care of a child is now sitting on your arse? Don't kid yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:01 PM
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I'm seeing a benefit cap of 500 pounds for single parents with children. That's 26000 a year. Not a fortune when you have to raise a child too imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:55 PM
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UK we have generous welfare and the above is a serious problem. Citation needed and I'll look into it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:50 PM
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Personally I can't for the life of me understand why shared custody isn't the default when marriages break down, the only reason I see for one parent getting custody is abuse/violence etc. Where I live it is pretty much the default if the child is old enough to be able to switch parents every week, if the parents live close enough and if the child isn't old enough to make a decision for itself (12-13 years old).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:49 PM
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Agreed, only one thing: random men get picked and lifefucked. It's not random men. It's still men who decided to sleep with a woman whom they didn't want a kid with. That is still a very conscious decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:34 PM
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You aren't raising a kid. Child support isn't there for the parents, it's their for the children. What is it with this myth that 90% of single mothers have an easy and rich life because of child support? Do you know what raising a child costs? The estimated costs of diapers is 3000 dollars a year. That's just the diapers!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:32 PM
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I think we as a society have agreed that it is usually in the best interest of the child so stay with the mother. You can argue that, but I think it is a good point. The mother carried the child, she will already have a bond with the child before it is born. While some adoptive families make up for that, is it on average better for the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:30 PM
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Yeah, but you realize that most of the single moms aren't doing so well financially?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:29 PM
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So how do we not incentivize bad decisions without making the child suffer if bad decisions are made anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:23 PM
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"ohh well I'll just have a kid anyway and someone will be forced to support me tee hee" and start encouraging people to plan before they have kids. We do need to do that. But if they have a kid anyway, we cannot make the kid suffer for bad decisions the parents made.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:22 PM
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that seeks to coddle those that are so irresponsible they don't even know who the fuck their babydaddy is. I don't want to coddle single moms. I want to make sure their children do not feel the consequences of the bad decisions that single moms sometimes make.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:18 PM
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If she didn't tell him about the baby till she was obviously showing though is a bit less clear. That is where it will go wrong, I guarantee it. "She didn't tell me!" "I did tell him!" "I never wanted a child!" "You said you would!" It will always turn into a he said/she said game like that. Very easy to abuse. And since in the USA, the state would like to pay as little as possible, the father is on the hook. I would be totally fine with walk-away rights, as long as the state takes on the burden…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:14 PM
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"The only people paying for a child should be the ones that decided to have it. Of course if she can't afford to support it then she gets state assistance." Oh missed that. Fair enough that is a good solution. Problem is most child support opponents here don't want the state support, because they would (with taxes) be paying for children that aren't theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:06 PM
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So let's stick with the one that's unfair to men /s Would it be better to stick with the one that's unfair to women? It'd be equally bad right? Imo if the man makes it clear he doesn't want children and the woman decides to ruin his life because she doesn't want to go through an abortion then I have no sympathy for her as she clearly has no sympathy or empathy for her man or the unborn child and will turn out to be a shitty mother. Agreed, but mostly it is not that clear cut. Your scenario is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:01 PM
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Right now, the man has less rights (whether or not that is justified because biology is often discussed, I won't discuss that now). If you give both partners the option to walk away if they don't want the child, the woman has less rights, because she cannot just walk away (must abort), while the man can. Because of the very nature of pregnancy, the child growing in one partners body, and bodily autonomy valued very highly in our society, there is no fair solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:48 PM
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And don't cry crocodile tears about "the wellfare of the child" If you really cared about the child you would have not had one untill you can give it a stable two parent houshold. Totally missing the point. The point is that even if mom/dad makes bad decisions, the child has nothing to do with that and that is why the welfare of the child should come first. Now you pretend to care just so you can get more money from the sucker that you coerced. You really think most single moms think like this? …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:39 PM
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If the situation were such that women weren't entitled to money from the father, and the welfare state didn't exist, how many of those pregnant would choose to carry to term? I think you'd be surprised. A lot of single moms are poor and young and these people aren't known for being the best in seeing the consequences of their choices. The reason we have the explosion of single mothers over the past few decades is because we created financial incentives for women to choose this path. No, the reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:36 PM
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Thing is, if birth control breaks and she gets pregnant, both parties are assumed to be equally responsible for that. I think in most cases that is reasonable. But by giving the father the option to walk away, you lay all the consequences of that responsibility on the mother, who has to do the abortion or struggle on her own. An abortion isn't a simple button press. This solution to the gap in male reproduction rights simply flips the script and now there's a gap in female reproduction rights. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:34 PM
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If you can come with quotes from the article and then explaining how they fit your worldview, we can talk. Everyone can deduce anything from everything with enough fantasy and projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:29 PM
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You are just projecting your views now. Nowhere in the articles OP provided does it ssy that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:16 PM
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I'm opposed to TRP because 1) I think a lot of their literature is sexist and spreads damaging ideas 2) Even if it didn't the posters on there sure are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:16 AM
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When I read subs, TRP seems to have a much higher concentration of douchebags though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:10 AM
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And I judge Christians on what they do, not what the bible says
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:04 AM
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TRP always stresses to be honest about intentions and actions though. TRP always says "look at what a woman does, not what she says". So I look at what TRP does, not what it says.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:57 AM
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Lets just agree to agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:53 AM
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Still doesn't change my opinion about these articles. I've looked at the ones provided in the OP and they define NiceGuys as guys who view just friendship with women as a failure and expect sex. Women don't like that, as is their right. This is what is described in the articles. Maybe the author had deep seated motives to actually shame socially awkward guys. But I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:48 AM
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we should not be giving him a hard time for something he was oblivious of. rather than saying, "you're an asshole!" why not say "well tbh, you come across as rude and insensitive, which is slightly annoying; I think you need to brush up on your social and conversational skills" In an ideal world we'd do that. Most people are pretty non-confrontational though and you don't want to be insulting people. It's hard to tell with persons like this is he's an asshole who means well, or just an asshole. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:46 AM
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Sure, but that's for academic articles. Jezebel/whatever really doesn't count for that imo. It is just a woman ranting a bit. Just like on TRP there are guys who rant about how this girl lied for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:41 AM
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But he's not an evil manipulative entitled asshole though, which is what Nice Guy(tm) implies-covert misogyny. Fair enough. But that is how he comes across to other people. If I steal your stuff with the best intentions, I'm still a thief.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:38 AM
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I've heard it compared to motherly love. Women don't love unconditionally (thus like a mother forgiving everything and always staying by your side). Truth is, no one loves a partner unconditionally. If they change, love can disappear. Or sometimes you change and the love is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:37 AM
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You ignored the rest of my argument. I compared to TRP first, then explained why only a few Niceguys get articles written about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:35 AM
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Yes I get it. The point is that from his point of view, he's the Scott Aaronsen. From the girls point of view he's uninteresting and often rude. Who's wrong here?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:34 AM
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But most of the articles on here that describe NiceGuys describe the variety that builds a friendship and then becomes an asshole as soon as sex is out of the picture. You can say that it isn't, and I do agree that society isn't always nice to socially awkward people (goes for both girls and guys), but in the linked articles here, that are supposed to prove a point, I'm usually seeing the NiceGuyTM
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:31 AM
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TRP is not complaining about Nice Guys not being hot. They're not. That shit is on them. What they are complaining about, is Nice Guys apparently being assholes (implies bad people, morally defective) for not being attractive. See, here is the thing. If you talk to him, you would get the impression that he is an asshole. I knew him a bit better and I know that he tried very hard to fit in and be nice. But he was still annoying and rude sometimes. To other people, that makes you an asshole. Think…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:27 AM
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even if they don't have all the answers. Sometimes, there are no answers though. Is there significant funding in this area? Well, I don't know if there is direct funding for "how to make people feel wanted", but then again, I don't think that would be effective. There is a lot of funding for robots and AI development at the Technical University of Delft, which is one of the best in the world in its field though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:24 AM
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to provide counseling for those who are in need Actually we do that in Europe. Counseling is part of your healthcare plan. But we can use taxes to research the issue, There is so many state-funded research by universities on human psychology. What more can we do? Literally distribute talking sexbots with a human like AI? We simply don't have that yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:19 AM
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I'm not talking about when the father leaves directly after the one night stands. I'm talking about a dadbeat dad who's in some kind of relationship with the mother but leaves when the child is two or something. I think stuff like that happens way more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:17 AM
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I mean you are right on that, but now it has very little to do with taxes. Taxes can get you food, or shelter, or other basic needs. It cannot make you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:16 AM
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In countries where prostitution is legalized, how would you feel about the government giving people to hire prostitutes? You are missing the point imo. The problem of Niceguys is a lack of sex, but most of them don't want it from a hooker. They want to be wanted. We can pay our taxes to make sure you have a standard of living, and most Europeans do it gladly. But we cannot make someone want you. That is just not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:11 AM
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People don't expect welfare from other people. They expect it from the state. Big difference. It varies per country, but here in Europe, we agree that everyone deserves a basic standard of living so we pay for that in taxes. If we could all pay 10 euro's a year more in taxes and everyone could have sex whenever, we'd probably do it. But sadly, that is just not how it works. You need the consent of one single person to have sex. In that regard, it is vastly different from welfare or food.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:03 AM
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But that's true most of the time. Whilst some single mothers may suffer from the death of their spouse or a genuinely abusive relationship with the father; most of them haven't. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that most single mothers are the results of the father walking away at some time, not the other way around. You could make the argument that they shouldn't take children if they're not sure the father will stick around I guess, but still. If anything, the bad decision lie…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:00 AM
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But it is not comparable. Affording the basics doesn't require consent from another person. Going on a date does. If someone doesn't go on a date with you for whatever reason, that is totally their right and in no way does that make them an asshole. There is a big difference between 'I am nice and do what I was taught to be a good partner in a relationship, where is my relationship' On the other hand, I suppose there are guys who say this to themselves, as a form of complaining. Thing is, they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:58 AM
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But it still doesn't change how big a deal not having it can be. Like I said, I get how big of a deal not having it can be. But that still doesn't make you not an asshole if you expect if from other persons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:54 AM
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Well, it was also what he said. Things that are totally irrelevant to a good flowing conversation etc. He was just not nice to talk to. He wasn't an asshole or anything, and I didn't hate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:45 AM
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Yes, but it is still fundamentally different in that you need another person to do it. Most people (some people are assholes) don't shame guys for wanting sex, they shame guys for expecting sex from a girl. Very different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:42 AM
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Because most people don't focus on the income of a partner, but on how well they fit together. Because income doesn't create attraction (for most people). Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:35 AM
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It's guys like Roosh who are the reason some people don't take mens rights serious. Guy is crazy. If this was an actual men's rights meetup, nobody would have complained. But if it's led by a guy who literally blogged about legalizing rape of course people are gonna try and prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:32 AM
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which makes sense since in their mind RP is abuse I would argue that RP can be abuse. There is nothing wrong with going to a bar, talking to women and having one night stands. Just don't sugarcoat your intentions and I see no problem. Where it gets more grey is having multiple girls, and not telling them about each other, manipulating etc. The exact same thing they always AWALT about. And then there's MRP, guys who are unhappy about their marriage and decide to emotionally destroy their partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:02 AM
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And if they do, other young people also have these money issues, so unless they're willing to marry a 40-year old, the problems won't be solved. And some young people do that even (golddiggers).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:57 PM
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Really though, if you draw that line of reasoning further, the argument could be: Why not be a murderer if you don't like some people? A: Because not being a shithead should be its own reward Now the answer makes sense. TRP is nowhere that extreme, but you see where I'm getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:56 PM
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Because they're young? Because young people on both sides just want to have fun in their youth? What's not to say people start looking for a stable relationship later? Not that there aren't people who actually do get in serious relationships at 18 and stay in them for a long time, but most don't. You're also young and usually inexperienced, so your first partners might not be the best fit for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:53 PM
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How many guys do you know who expect sex (and only sex) in return for friendship?! No one luckily. Nor do I know guys who are nice and shamed for it. I did know one guy who was unlucky with women and socially awkward and kinda bullied for it. You know, he probably thought he was nice. But to everyone else, he was very annoying. His way of talking, the things he said etc. From his perspective, it was probably very unfair. He was nice, not creepy didn't expect sex for friendship and people (girls)…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:50 PM
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And so does TRP, with always putting their spotlights on the few feminists/women/false rape cases. Of course articles get written over the most outrageous cases. It's clickbait and the writers want readers. Who writes an article about "Hey this guy was nice to me, asked me on a date, I said no, so he just moved on"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:48 PM
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Yeah, I get that people are sometimes told things that don't work in real life. From dakru's post: This advice usually portrays being nice/sweet/caring as the most important traits for appealing to women (the "women just like nice guys!" line). However because those aren't actually the most important traits for doing that (they're not bad traits but you can't rely on them alone) That is the most important thing imo. All these articles that shame niceguys, they shame guys whose only visible quali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:46 PM
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Could be. Maybe the guy is really ugly. But in that case, it's great that TRP fixed his lack of confidence (and TRP does have good advice, like lifting and fixing confidence), but if he also takes the toxic parts of TRP, I don't think he has much chance on a long lasting happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:41 PM
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I understand these guys having needs. It's just a fact of life that most women don't like guys that become friends with them for just the sex, no matter how much these guys actually want sex. Food =/= sex. You cannot live without food. You can always help yourself if you're really horny. Yes I know that it sucks big time if you cannot get any. But that doesn't not make you an asshole when you expect sex in return for friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:39 PM
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Well, we can reasonable assume that the guy described in the post had confidence to begin with (he approaches and is not socially awkward).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:56 PM
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We should heavily stigmatise that path though. Disagree. By stigmatising, you essentially view single mothers as having made inferior choices, and the shaming will continue. Two issues: 1) A single mother isn't always a single mother by her own choice. In fact, I think in the majority of cases it's the father who walks away from the child, not the mother who walks (with the child) away from the father. 2) Stigmatising single mothers will simply lead to their kids doing even worse. What we should…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:27 PM
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But it was still completely bizarre that an asshole would have more efficacy in attracting women than being nice would, when he'd been raised to believe people like niceness I'll say it again and again. Niceness (tm), what is always talked about, is being a doormat. The worst niceguys, whom we make the most fun of, actually expect something back for that too. The reason assholes do better is because they usually have a lot of traits that people find attractive: confidence, easy-talking, able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:20 PM
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Well, once a single mother is a single mother, what's the point in shaming her? "Hey, you single mom! Your child has a much higher chance to become a criminal!". What's the use in that? Best we can do is support single parents as best we can, so the children of single parents are as well off as can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:02 PM
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Is that so? Point me to an article where a man says he won't date single moms because he'll feel like third wheel. We'll see if that's shamed. If your argument against dating single moms is: they're damaged goods, of course you get shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:43 PM
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When it comes to reproduction, males have the best interests of the female at heart, because females are the ones that actually give birth. When it comes to reproduction, the female has her own best interests at heart, for the same reason. .. If you break it right down to its absolute core, that is what the TRP is. The "blue pill" is the idea that women love men the same way men love women. Nice idea, wish it was true. The TRP is the idea that that is bullshit, for the reason I have just describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:31 PM
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I don't care that we've been over this numerous times. Every time an article on Nice Guys is linked, it's always about how they are nice and expect sex in return. Guess what, women don't like that. It's not about how they are disgusting because they are nice, it's about how they are disgusting because they are only nice because they want something. Seperate from that, socially awkward people are made fun of too, and that sucks, but that is not the same as Nice Guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:23 PM
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AWALT can be right. Just like AMALT can be right. Or AHALT (All Humans) The way that TRP does it isn't. Is that what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:13 PM
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I can't say it more simple than this: there are general behaviours in humans that relate to mating strategies. The way that TRP uses AWALT is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:05 PM
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Again, did you even read the articles OP provided? "Basically, he’s anyone who regards sex as the ultimate goal of interacting with women, and in turn views the idea of a nonsexual friendship with a woman as an abysmal failure." That's how one of them defines Nice Guys. Has nothing to do with being Nice, but just being an asshole. And yeah, just being nice doesn't cut it. You need to interesting/attractive too. But that doesn't mean that being nice has a negative effect on your sex life. Just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:41 PM
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Sure, there are some behavioural patterns. But TRP is 1) often incorrect about them 2) tries to shove every little detail under AWALT, while behavioural patterns are only applicable on far more general theories 3) uses AWALT outside of mating strategies (females don't have interesting personalities, men do - AWALT)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:37 PM
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First, single mothers and niceguys aren't comparable at all. Society shames "niceguys" because they are nice and expect sex for it. Read the articles and that's the kind of niceguy they always talk about and mock. A single mother takes care of a child. Taking care of a child on your own is worthy of praise imo, regardless of gender. It can't be easy. The articles you linked don't mock single dads at all. One of the articles for example, was just written by a woman who said she'd rather not date …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:34 PM
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Well, there's a difference between AWALT can give birth and AWALT will cheat whenever they find the nearest Alpha. First one is biologically true, second one is wild speculation from TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:21 PM
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Didnt say that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:33 PM
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You judge the guy because he screwed up. Not because he's a man, or because the woman is woman. That makes it neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 11:47 AM
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Unless the parents live close enough so the kid doesn't have to switch schools/friends/everything, no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:39 AM
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There is an underlying cause that relationships often don't work out. That cause can be that the people fell in love with someone else, that they were not as good a fit as they thought they would be. But you cannot soundly conclude it is because they are egalitarian. That would be like saying: "The majority of failed relationships had a taller man and a smaller woman, therefore that is bad for the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:38 PM
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Also, to get some more in about be wary of what you read on TRP, read this story: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/445yoa/my_bf_25m_of_1_year_lies_about_me_24f_and_our/ Anecdotal, I get it. But still, not everything on TRP is necessarily true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:35 PM
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The main reason I don't believe them is because I've seen relationships where man try to be overly egalitarian fail far too many time with such consistency for it to be a coincidence. Have you considered that a lot of relationships fail after some time? If the majority of relationships are egalitarian, the majority of failed relationships are also egalitarian. Doesn't say that being egalitarian is bad for your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:29 PM
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TRP advocates that women cannot rationally make decisions. They are the oldest teenager, irresponsible etc etc etc. At least that's what a lot of highly upvoted comments and posts on the sub say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:27 PM
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Of course most of it is context-dependent. sleep in the same room every night I meant more with "kid is travelling five hours every week to see his other parent".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:18 PM
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Well, if you're just not gonna believe what people say, why are you here anyway? All of RP theory is based upon anecdotes and observations, what reason do we have to believe that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:16 PM
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Well, a relationship where partners do not agree, but one makes decisions anyways is not a good relationship in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:14 PM
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Is that so? I think I've read somewhere that children that young are best served by a stable environment that doesn't change too much. Would be better if dad or mom came to visit I guess, but that depends on how amiable the divorce was.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:57 PM
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I'd give both equal custody Depending on the age of the child, this will not work. Children that are under 3 or 4 really should spend the majority of time with one of the parents, since that is best for their stability. Over the age of say 12, 13 the wish of the child should be heard first, because they can make their own decision (as long as that decision is not obviously bad for them). and have no alimony. There are plenty of marriages where the partners agree that one of them brings in the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:43 PM
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Nobody wants to control a really good relationship. Nobody needs to control a really good relationship. The partners make their decisions together. Nobody is in control more than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:40 PM
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Punish the mother for all I care. But by withholding child support, you're punishing the child. He/she doesn't deserve that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:12 PM
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It is possible for the men not to pay yes. But that conflicts with the rights and needs of the child. Not of the mother, of the child. As said elsewhere in the thread, I think an excellent idea would be to make child support only spendable on things the child needs. Diaper coupons, or the mother providing receipts to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:00 PM
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we decided to grant them an out Wow calm down. Are you talking about we decided to "grant" women abortion? Child support hasn't always been around Yeah we used to have slavery too If it was possible for the man to undergo the abortion instead and the child would be gone, But it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:46 PM
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Apart from the right to decide what happens as long as the child is in her body, I don't think she can choose to put up for adoption if the father wants the child instead. With paying child support, you also gain parental rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:39 PM
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If you as a man consent to sex, you consent to the possibility of having a child. It sucks, but that is how biology works. If you have sex as a woman, you consent to getting pregnant. Yes that is unfair. But that's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:37 PM
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It all comes down to this: if you consent to sex as a man, with someone you don't want to have a child with, you consent with taking the risk of being a father. Why does it work different for women? Because they carry the child. A father can just walk away without a second thought. A mother cannot. An abortion isn't a button you press. At the very least, if the father does not want the child, but she does, he should offer to pay for her abortion and compensate her for the time it takes. And conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:23 PM
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It all comes down to this: if you consent to sex as a man, with someone you don't want to have a child with, you consent with taking the risk of being a father. Why does it work different for women? Because they carry the child. A father can just walk away without a second thought. A mother cannot. An abortion isn't a button you press. At the very least, if the father does not want the child, but she does, he should offer to pay for her abortion and compensate her for the time it takes. And conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:23 PM
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The father made the choice to sleep with a women he would not want a child with. That is a choice and he accepts a risk when he does that. Poor people always have the choice to abort? Even so, the father should pay for the abortion in that case, since the mother has to undergo the procedure and invest her time. Funny how she isnt responsible for her actions Uhh of course she is. She decides to have a child, she takes on the responsibility to take care for it as best she can. This thread is about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:16 PM
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That sounds somewhat reasonable to me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:10 PM
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Then again, child support is in a lot of cases not even half of what you need to raise the child. The point isn't that the state pays for the entire upbringing, it's that they bridge the gap between the income of the mother and what's needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:09 PM
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But does the state intervene by taking the child away, or offer extra support?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:05 PM
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But we are not talking about a choice to abort, but a mandatory adoption. You (or I) aren't women. Mothers carry the child for 9 months. Regardless of dumb choices made by the mother, do we have the right to take a child she's (presumably) very attached to away? Does the abortion process not cost a lot of money that could be used to support the mother and child in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:00 PM
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Excellent idea. Do you think the father or someone else should pay, providing your idea is in effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:57 PM
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Even if he was raped Thats an obvious exclusion. Birth Control, he still made the choice to sleep with a girl. Wear a condom if you don't want kids. So she should not have the kid then First: Abortion isn't free, or free of social stigma. Especially poor people don't always have the choice to abort. Second, even if the mother made a dumb choice, what does the child have to do with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:56 PM
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But if the only reason why the parent isn't taking proper care is a lack of funds, I'm not sure that applies. Especially since taking a child away requires evaluations etc etc and costs a lot of money. Might as well give the parent that money then and not take the child away. Anyway, I don't think you can legally take a child away if the only problem is a lack of funds that is outside of the power of the parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:48 PM
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I think the state does, depending on where you live. Here in Europe you get extra welfare for having a child, regardless of your own income. (Although you get less per child if you have a high income).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:43 PM
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So a mandatory adoption if the mother does not have adequate financial resources to care for the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:36 PM
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That Red Pillers take radical feminists far more serious than the people RP sees as feminists (BP) do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:56 AM
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I would describe myself as BP on the basis that they are against TRP, but everyone here has some sort of "BP'ers think this! (Insert radfem thing)" attitude. So I don't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 12:55 AM
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Confidence is attractive. To a reasonable degree, believing that you are awesome will make others believe it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 12:00 AM
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Doesn't this suggest that presenting good arguments online is actually harder than doing it IRL? If everyone critically read posts, it would be. But contstructing good arguments is also easier, because you can just google stuff you don't know etc. Yes, but the vending machine example isn't a well constructed argument - see above question No, but to a non-critical reader, it might feel like one. Instead of questioning the metaphore, the non-critical reader will think "wow, he used a metaphore, he…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 09:21 PM
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Okay we essentially agree, its just semantics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:20 PM
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It works because you say it works. That's all. You assume a men that sleeps around has more value than a women that does because he chases her or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:21 PM
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But the underlying idea is in itself not proven at all. Which is why your analogy isn't better or worse than mine (pencil sharpener). Both rest on unproven "ideas" that some people have about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:16 PM
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Like I said, appearing smart on the internet is easy. You have all the time in the world to google stuff, read forums where your opinions are ready to be copy pasted etc. Really, don't judge yourself according to a few guys who claim to know it all on TRP or elsewhere. Besides, some people can write their arguments in a very convincing way. They come up with analogies that look very clever (key-lock), but when you think about it, it makes zero sense. I'll show you a clever one I've learned in my…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:14 PM
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You don't have to be nice. But it is still my right to expect it and to be dissappointed when you aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:09 PM
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Being nice as I meant is not being an asshole, saying thank you to the cashier when she hands you your change etc. I would call that basic human decency. You're not entitled to expect people to be "nice" you or even "polite" to you. Of course you are entitled to expect that. You're not entitled to have it actually happen that way all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:04 PM
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Why did you specifically name RP guys in your OP then? Comparing yourself to others constantly will do you no good. If you must know, I'm only 20 and there's so much stuff I don't know, am unsure about etc. I don't spend all day beating myself up over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:02 PM
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You are completely disregarding the right of the child. You basically keep saying: "It's the mothers choice if she's a single mother, she shouldn't complain". But what good does that to the child? In the end, the child doesn't pay for itself and if the mother can't do it alone, someone needs to do it. The person besides the mother most directly responsible for the child is the father, so he comes next. Don't like it? Don't have random sex with people you don't trust 100%. Nobody's forcing you to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:00 PM
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You have the right to expect anything. If they're not nice, they're assholes. Expectation was there, but not met. Of course it's not wrong to expect people to be nice. I expect all people to be nice to me, just like I'm always trying to be nice to people. But I know where you're trying to go: you want us to say Yeah she just had sex with him, he should be nice And then you say And nice guys who are nice and expect sex are the entitled ones? But that's not how it works. Being nice is just basic d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:53 PM
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Then you feel good doing it. So keep on going.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:39 PM
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I keep reading the responses to guys who seem to have nailed understanding RP theory and the associated relationship/social dynamics and they tuen out to all be 19, 20ish…figured it out quicker than me. They didn't figure anything out. They are just repeating highly doubtful "theories" that you can find on TRP. Please don't associate TRP with wisdom dude, you're better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:26 PM
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It is. If you feel good doing nofap, do it by all means. But I don't think it has scientifically proven benefits or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:25 PM
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Your logic only works, because you already accept that the promiscious men has more value (thats why he is the key). Thats circular logic. Your proof only works because you already accept your statement as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 02:00 PM
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Hardly the same Aesop was an Ancient Greek. Societal values were very different and these guys believed in multiple gods. Aesop never used objects to tell fables and if did they could talk aka they are basically a human on the level of reasoning. Because they talk, there is a moral lesson. Not because the objects exist in a way that can be interpreted in multiple ways (the key-lock example)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:29 AM
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Who is Aesop? If the only way for you to argue a point is to compare humans to some objects, it's not a very good point. Because, like I've shown, you can easily switch the objects and the metaphor becomes completely different, but equally meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:14 AM
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And keys can be worn, rusted or broken after a lot of use, thus requiring the lock to have a new key. You can twist these meaningless comparisons exactly as you like, they mean nothing. If you want to argue a point, do it without comparing humans to random objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:08 AM
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Both examples suck because it is meaningless to compare humans to objects. But if you insist, a pencil sharpener who's sharpened a lot of pencils will be experienced and good at sharpening pencils. A pencil that's been sharpened a lot is less valuable than a new one, no one would argue that. And as for your "key searches lock" argument, the same can be said as "pencil searches sharpener". Does all of this make sense? No, but neither does the other example.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:04 AM
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Are you seriously debating this? I just came up with another ridiculous example to show how meaningless it is to compare people to random objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 10:16 AM
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Obvious similarities How about this one: "A pencil sharpener that has sharpened a lot of pencils is a good sharpener. A pencil that's been sharped a lot of times is increasingly useless" Same thing, same obvious similarities. Why not use this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 09:10 AM
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Because someone needs to be one the hook. If you ask me it would be the state. But that doesn't go well with a lot of Americans (or TRP'ers) too. So, who pays then? The family of the mother? They had zero consent in the baby being born, at least the father consented to sex with the mother, knowing possible outcomes. But, for the sake of the child, someone needs to be on the hook
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:41 PM
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Agreed. Most important part is stopping the shaming of not having sex. It doesn't devalue you as a person. Nor does having awkward social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:24 PM
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Depends. Does she come home distressed? I can tell if she is. If not, I would probably question the claim. Nobody comes home without panties and when asked about it says: "oh yeah, almost forgot, I was raped".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:11 PM
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Well I always try to not be mean or judge people unfairly. You can believe that or not. To your second statement, what is the solution then, apart from stopping the shaming? A lot of men think they're undesirable because of their looks, but I genuiely believe that with a good haircut/clothes/exercise regime and training in social skills, 80% of ForeverAlone could get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:08 PM
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Everyone says that, and yet the shaming of sexually unattractive and inexperienced men is, if anything, only growing. I don't know you, but I would bet money that you do indeed engage in the shaming as well. It's a bet with some very good odds. And you'd be wrong. When someone is undesirable AND is shamed for it, of course they will have lowered self-esteem and eventually depression. How and what kind of therapy would "help with that in a lot of cases"? You don't know. You are just dropping a bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 05:33 PM
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If I can't answer it, will that, in your eyes, justify the continued dismissal of incel? What do you mean with "dismissal of incel"? I agree that shaming needs to stop. Next time you try to subtly insert a "women are just better" statement, do it subtly. No, I'm saying that it's the standards of masculinity that a lot of men still uphold, that hurt these people the most. But has anybody ever done anything to stop it? I know I don't judge or bully people based on their (non)sexual history. Nor do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 04:06 PM
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Sigh. There's no use talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:45 PM
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Nu uh. I didn't claim that I could easily convince people. Burden of proof is on you. If you want to show you can easily convince people, then do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:43 PM
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No, not my stance. Making a post and copy pasting your arguments takes one minute at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:24 PM
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I could convince them very easily Go ahead and try. Make a post here and cite your arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:20 PM
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Fine by me. But in the US the idea of welfare isn't very much liked. Even by TRP'ers, because through taxes, they'd be paying for every single mom out there. Even though they'd be paying very very little of course, since the burden is shared between 150 million Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:10 PM
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In general, society facing and admitting the issue of incel and general male unattractiveness But then what? I think society knows that there are men who can't get sex. Yes they get shamed, but I'd argue almost more by other men than by women. That shit needs to stop though. As for solving their problem, it's pretty much impossible. They could visit a prostitute, but it's really not the same. And you can't force someone to have sex with them, or find them attractive. Actually I think the best be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 01:06 PM
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it's how sometimes women think See that word? "Sometimes"? Yeah, that applies to almost everything. You can find "sometimes" examples of a hel of a lot of things. You can't make a general rule (AWALT, The Wall) out of a "sometimes".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 12:56 PM
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Because TRP assumes that this is a woman-only trait, and that they all do it. In reality, some people do this and I think a lot don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 12:21 PM
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You're assuming that women have no self-awarenees about their value and will eventually end up with too high expectations. Sure there are some woman like that, but why do you think most have it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:07 AM
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That's a very vague answer
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:38 PM
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but the ideas are all over the minds of men who use the internet. Hardly. You also can't deny that even dating has fallen out of style with people yet they expect more submission. Dating hasn't fallen out of style, it evolved. Where are you getting your ideas? A small subsection of reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:30 PM
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What you call "male feminist" here is actually the "nice guy". (At least that's what the article you provided defines "male feminist" as.) A guy who's only a feminist because he expects women to sleep with him in return. This isn't really a true male feminist (note how in your article it's written: "male feminist", with quotation marks.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:28 PM
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Don't worry too much about what TRP men say. They are a very very small subset of the total popularity. You cannot measure someone's value to another person in objective standards (SMV) and therefore, hypergamy is pretty useless. A woman's current partner can easily be the best for her in her mind, even if what TRP would call "the perfect Alpha" offers her unlimited sex and commitment. On the other hand, most men are fine with giving commitment to a woman they are in love with. TRP acts like bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:24 PM
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Why is the suffering of an irresponsible stranger woman's children my responsibility. Because someone has to take responsibility. I'd be fine with the state taking that responsibility, but most Americans wouldn't hear a word of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:20 PM
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That would be allright with me, if the child didn't have it's own rights. However, the child did. Whoever made the choice for the child to be born, the child did not. Children deserve parents who have the time to take care of them and those parent(s) must have adequate recources to provide for the minimum requirements of taking care of child. Those recources must come from somewhere. Child support isn't made to screw over the man. It's made because someone has to help pay for the child. I'd be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:19 PM
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Ah, so to come back to an earlier question, you would let the child die. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:05 PM
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Are you willing to let the child suffer because of her choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:01 PM
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If the law didn't unfairly target men it would be her problem. No, it would be the childs problem
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:47 PM
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I never said it was fair. But you still didn't react to my point. You don't care who pays. But someone has to pay for the child if the mother can't do it alone. Who else than the father? If you cannot offer an alternative, I'm gonna presume that you don't have a better alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:43 PM
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Her obviously. Often, she can't do it on her own. Fact. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:36 PM
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So again. Who is gonna pay for the upbringing of the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:33 PM
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Ah good. So we let the child die. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:29 PM
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But you did not answer the question. Who pays for the upbringing of the child, if the single mother can't do it alone? And most single moms are in poverty, so making enough money and taking care of the child is often not possible for them. Do you propose to just let the child starve then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:27 PM
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You didn't answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:21 PM
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You've done a good job not reacting to my points at all. If you feel like you can't make a counterargument, at least try this: But all this is actually missing the point. This is the real point: A child did not choose to be born. He has the right to proper care/shelter/food etc. Someone has to pay. A single mother, who are mostly in poverty, often can't pay it all and take care of the child at the same time. So, who do you think should pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:16 PM
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The family of the woman, as it was throughout history. That doesn't seem like a better choice. Suddenly you're paying for the child of your daughter that you never consented she had. Same problem here. then private charity, as it was throughout history. Are there actually private charities that do this? Can they still operate on the mass scale that is needed if your idea becomes law? She still has the standard three female options for getting out of parental responsibility. Which are? Remember t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:13 PM
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What else are we gonna do? Not subsidize that choice? You know who will suffer the most? Not the mother, but the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:08 PM
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Because it's her body. She decides what happens to it. Yes that's unfair, but that's biology for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:07 PM
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Because taking a parent has the right to a child as long as the parent hasn't been abusive. It's one of the basic rights that our society is build on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:06 PM
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That is the point though. Do you pay for half of the costs of menstrual products for woman? You don't they pay for it themselves. That's unfair, but it's biology. Same with pregnancy. It's unfair, but, seeing that the rights of the child trump all, the least unfair option.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:04 PM
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The big difference is that if a man opts out of parenthood, the child is still born. If a woman opts out, the child is not born. Once the child is born, someone has to pay for food/shelter etc. That is the childs right and that trumps all here. Single mothers often can't pay it all themselves and take care of the child too. So, I ask you, if not the father, who should help pay for the benefit of the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 09:01 PM
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Her consent to sex is not consent to carry a child to term. Nor is his consent to sex consent to carry a child to term. In fact, he'll never have to consent to that, because it will never happen. Aborting a baby isn't just pressing a button. It's not free, not easily available everywhere and there's a social stigma attached in a lot of places in the USA. That's all seperate from the fact that it is still a medical procedure that the woman must do. Men don't ever have to do that. So let's use you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 08:57 PM
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up I can take half your money for 18 years suck it" No, its "I take half you money (if it is even that much) for 18 years, so I can take care of the child". Children are expensive buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 08:50 PM
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why are the children going to starve? Because taking care of a child while making all your own income is too much for most people, especially low educated people who are more likely to be single parents anyway. why wont the women support and feed the children? They do. Do you think child support is even close to half what it costs to raise a child? Especially because the time the women spend to raising a child also has a monetary value. why should THEIR CHOICE be at the expense of sperm donors o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 08:47 PM
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It's depressing if you take it seriously. Most posts are just satire on TRP posts, or pointing out the inconsistensies in TRP. Only way it's depressing is because the more serious aand disgusting things that are sometimes posted (Think Roosh etc, or a Merper who's abusing his wife)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 07:19 PM
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Now you're talking about feelings, not facts, you realize that? Facts is that muslims in the US don't commit the most crime per capita.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:12 PM
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Bluepill exists because it's fun to mock people who think they are speaking the truth but, (in BP and my eyes) are just rambling nonsense. You wouldn't try to actively change the mind of someone who denies gravity, he's obviously delusional and won't change his mind no matter what you say. Same goes for the relation between RP/BP. instead of trying to bring their own point accross (they don't have one) BP does have a point by the way: Red Pill is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:10 PM
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There are certainly extreme situations. If she was told by all of her closest friends and family that I was unfaithful and talked shit about her and she got very drunk and drunkenly had sex with a guy, but immediately admitted and apologized to me as soon as she realized she'd been lied to, yeah I would consider forgiveness. That's a very specific scenario, but OP asked for "circumstances". They exist. Just not very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:45 AM
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Here's my reaction to that study in another comment chain: Meh. I always see that one study thrown around. One study doesn't mean much to me. But let's assume it's the truth: -As far as I can tell, he defined "stable marriage" with "not divorced". I think that social environments that are against premarital sex (think religious) also place a greater taboo on getting divorced. I would want to see the average happiness in the relationship compared to sexual partners -Sure I believe there is a slig…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:03 AM
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Yeah but I'd wager that has more to do with celeb lifestyle in general. So not very applicable to most of our lives
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:59 AM
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30% of first marriages end in a divorce. Of those first marriages, most that end in a divorce are lower educated people who married young. I'm not too worried. By the way, being critical about a study is now a standard blue pill tactic? No wonder people take BP more serious than RP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:46 AM
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Meh. I always see that one study thrown around. One study doesn't mean much to me. But let's assume it's the truth: As far as I can tell, he defined "stable marriage" with "not divorced". I think that social environments that are against premarital sex (think religious) also place a greater taboo on getting divorced. I would want to see the average happiness in the relationship compared to sexual partners Sure I believe there is a slightly bigger chance that you'll divorce if she's had a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:30 AM
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Because these men are the total opposite of insecurity. They don't care about a womans past partners because they believe they will be good enough for that not to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:20 AM
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Of course not. But I am arguing that TRP encourages being insecure about any number of partners above 5 that a women might have had. There have been many publicized examples of successful men who fall down on their luck and their partners leave them. Of course. There are 7,4 billion people in the world at any given time and the number is only growing. You could find many publicized examples of almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:14 AM
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No, it's a thing invented by TRP. TRP does breed insecurity. It tells you that your girl will always keep comparing you to her previous partners. Most people would call thinking that being insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:58 AM
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Agree. Just wanted to put it in perspective, because a lot of posters on here would have you believe false rape accusations are a bigger problem than actual rapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:57 AM
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People that are not reddit all the time and rage on TiA just think that being a feminist means that you agree that women should have the same rights as men. Of course a lot of people agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:54 AM
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Even so, FBI states number of false rape accusations at 8%. Let's be extremely generous and take that number 4 times to get a real number: 36%. Now, the survey said that 68% of rapes go unreported. Let's also be generous and make that a 40%. Even then, the number of unreported rapes is still way higher than the number of false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:44 AM
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but that's what having social tact and the ability to read people is all about. And not all people have that. That's why I think TRP teachings like "no means not yet" are so dangerous. Especially because men who come to TRP aren't the most socially adept people, or they wouldn't need TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:40 AM
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Is it my responsibility to make sure they feel comfortable giving me money? Am I a thief? If the people you are collecting from are in your home and they say "I want to leave" and you say "Give my money first" then yes, you are responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:26 AM
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Sometimes you just have to get through a shy girl's LMR. You don't "have" to do anything. Nobody is stopping you from walking away. If she has a blatant negative reaction, then next the crazy broad. Problem is that some people are really bad in knowing what "blatantly negative" is. That's why I oppose the "no means not yet" mindset. I'd rather we teach everyone that no means no. If guys always just fuck off at the first no, women will pick up and stop saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:22 AM
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How do you get a % of unreported rapes? https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates Apparently, the department of justice did a survey over a period of four years. I'm not familiar with the specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:20 AM
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That is correct. That's just a thing you'll have know about yourself. You can't help it, but your size does influence people in some ways. If you bring a girl to your house with your car (she has no transportation back), it's on you to make sure she's absolutely comfortable when you're having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:14 AM
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stoop so low as to call men that disagree with you "insecure" I'm not calling all men who have those standards insecure. I am calling it insecure to think that she will constantly compare you to her past partners. I am calling it insecure to call women with many partners damaged goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:13 AM
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I also have some advice: when she says no, just fuck off. If she really wants you, she'll start initiating on her own. (I know, a lot of TRP says that too), but I'm talking about OP's "I take women whenever I want" statement here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:05 AM
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Women are not getting raped as much as they seem to claim. I don't know. For every study saying that X percent of rape accusations is false, there's a study that says X percent of rapes are actually not reported. Note that I'm not talking about 1 in 3 figures that college SJW's like to scream. Most people don't take them seriously outside of their echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:04 AM
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when the argument was about the woman's qualities, e.g. partner counts But partner count in itself isn't a quality. It's how the girl is, what her personality is, if she cheated before etc. If you're in college for three years and you sleep with a guy every two months you'll hit 15 easily. I don't think sleeping with a guy once every two months is somehow an indicator that there's very little chance she's a good LTR partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:01 AM
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they are his instincts telling him he's making a bad investment. Or is it TRP telling him that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:48 PM
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As is your right. But I think it's stupid (and sexist) to call these women "damaged goods" as TRP likes to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:47 PM
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If she was just indifferent, willing to go along but not really into it, that would not be rape. I mean she did flee the house as soon as OP wasn't looking and she did immediately call 911. Doesn't sound like indifference to me. Anyway, do you think OP should (if found guilty) be tried as hard as "real" rapist (By that I mean someone who consciously rapes)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:46 PM
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If humans run on instinct alone, why do you think men even bother to enter any kind of relationship? Instinct would tell them to move on after they've conceived a child. Yet, most men stay with a woman because they want to. Why do humans protect endangered animals? Doesn't feel much instinct based to me. What's the to gain for us? Our children will be able to see the South-Chinese tiger?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:43 PM
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I don't draw hard lines. I'm okay with a women whom I'm okay with. Depends on a lot more than one simple number. That said, sleeping with like 100-500 men does indicate a lifestyle that would be incompatible with mine, so I'd rather pass that up. 15 men really isn't much though. Over three years that's like once every two months. I'm not sweating it because of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:37 PM
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Actually pressuring them into sex can be seen as rape by the law, so that would make it illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:35 PM
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How is girl who slept with 15 men suddenly a pornstar that fucks 24/7?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:22 PM
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All the evidence You mean TRP Field Reports?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:20 PM
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No I'm not flipping anything. He was saying "A man has to be a total cuckold to be in a relationship with a woman with many partners". I say "worrying about the many partners of a woman is a sign of insecurity. If you're confident, it doesn't have to be a problem". I would even say that if you're insecure about it and make a big deal out of it, she's more likely to actually leave you, because, you know, people can tell when you're insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:17 PM
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The first pill you have to swallow to understand TRP is the fact humans are animals just like any other Except we are not. No other animal has even close to the mental capacity and self-awareness that humans have. Do you know how few animals can even tell that they see themselves in a mirror? Humans don't run on instinct alone anymore. Now you just find animals that model human niches and you learn a lot about human behavior. Is it 100 percent perfect? No, but its better than self reported studi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:15 PM
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If I became quiet and sensitive, would I do better with a different kind of girl? What kind of girl would that be? The girl who doesn't like to sleep around, but insteads looks for a longer and steady relationship. Provided quiet and sensitive doesn't mean you throw your social skills out of the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:09 PM
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In that case we can throw the entirety of TRP theory out of the window, since that is literally nothing but self-reported observations about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:55 PM
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A man has to be a total cuckold if he's willing to be in a romantic/emotional relationship with such women. Or you know, he's not insecure and knows that he is in his own way good enough for her and she for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:51 PM
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but I'm worried that I might be fighting base biology Don't let TRP pseudo-science brainwash you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:49 PM
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Why don’t we shame women who suddenly get anxious about sex at the last moment but still can be convinced to go ahead? Because saying no and then change your mind and say yes isn't illegal. Ignoring no because you think it'll become a yes, and therefore pressuring the women into actually saying yes is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:48 PM
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Try a little empathy. From the story it's clear that she felt threatened and felt it wasn't safe to leave. Hence why she left as soon as OP was in the shower. It's not like she first felt she wanted sex then afterwards regretted it. If that's the case, you don't run out when the guy isn't looking and immediately call 911 at the neighbors. Are her feelings justified? I'd say that, looking at the story, anyone with a bit of social skills could have told she was uncomfortable, and she probably felt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:36 PM
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Why didn't she call for 911 when the guy wouldn't let her leave for sex? Presumable because she thought the guy wouldn't let her. Why do you think she only left as soon as he was in the shower? Whether or not her feelings were justified, I think it's safe to say that she felt threatened and pressured into sex with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:33 PM
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how is it a mans fault if a woman is too scared to leave a guys house Because the guy made her scared by telling her she couldn't leave. It isn't rocket science. Why did the guy tell her she couldn't leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:26 PM
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And he just said "no". Perhaps you'd go for the door anyways. But a lot of people would simply be uncomfortable and afraid to do that. If OP was ok with the girl leaving, why didn't he just say "yes"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:14 PM
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Men should also not be allowed to have sex without informing the authorities first, because men rape way more often than women. Two can play a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:13 PM
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There is no making up motivations. She LITERALLY said she wanted to leave and OP said "no". He might have done so jokingly, but how can she know?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:12 PM
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Yeah, it's what is common knowledge imo. TRP behaviour attracts a certain kind of woman, that is more likely to act in a certain way. Thus TRP theory has no experience with the women that are not attracted by TRP tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:10 PM
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If you are alone in a house with a man much bigger than you and you make it clear you want to leave, but then he says "not before we've had sex", what would you do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:04 PM
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You are correct. Women are apparently better at reading people and emotions, and that's why only men need to take consent classes! You said it yourself! Therefore men and women are not equals and should not be treated as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:02 PM
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That's literally victim blaming. It's her fault she got raped! Because she went to his house! How about they told you "you'll have to have sex with a man (and be the receiver) to leave". You would still be okay with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:00 PM
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You know you don't have literally have a knife on her for it to be a threat. Especially if you're a man and (presumable) much stronger than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:58 PM
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Are you serious? If I'm having a girl over and I tell her "you can't leave without having sex with me" and she does in order to leave, I'm not guilty of rape? What's she supposed to do? Sit there and not leave even though she wants to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:46 PM
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Everyone of those question can probably be answered with yes, given specific circumstances. But in most cases, I think the answer from me is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:42 PM
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(which she had no problem doing AFTERWARDS) Which she had no problem doing once OP was in the shower and couldn't stop her from leaving. Very different thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:41 PM
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If her saying "I want to leave" and OP says "You can't leave remember you promised me sex", I think she made it pretty clear she wants to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:40 PM
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given no force or threats are used. Well, the discussion is whether or not "I want to leave" "You can't leave, you promised me sex!" Is a threat or not. I think it could easily be interpreted as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:39 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice/comments/352hle/i_almost_definitely_raped_someone_because_she/cr4um8f Unless this comment is straight up lying, he did say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:47 PM
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She seemed to have full access to a phone and could have easily texted someone OP states that she was fiddling with the phone, but had not reception. I think if the guy were a rapist Well obviously this guy doesn't think he's a rapist. Question is, is he anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:46 PM
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I don't know how common they are. The important thing it shows to me is that not hearing no, or even hearing yes, doesn't always mean there was no rape. Assuming this story is true of course, and assuming that he is already making the events sound as good for him as possible, that [consent but coercion] is still rape. I think if you bring someone to your place with apparently bad phone reception and she has no way to leave, it counts as coercion when you "jokingly remind her that she cannot leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:45 PM
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Well, then you could absolutely argue that OP put her in FEAR of being raped if she wouldn't consent. She asked to leave, he said "You promised to have sex with me". (and that she couldn't leave because she had no transportation). If she's unconfomfortable, you bet that'll make her feel threatened.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:42 PM
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"She coyly said 'I should really get going...' He knew what she was implying. He smiled at her, and said 'what about that kiss you promised me?' But then why did you she run away when OP was in the shower? If she didn't feel unsafe, she could have left any moment. If what OP writes is true, we can safely assume she didn't feel safe. Anyway, this is why I think the TRP teachings of "break through the LMR, no doesn't always mean no" is dangerous. It can get people in situations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:28 PM
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Bottom quote in the EDIT in my OP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:26 PM
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Correct, this is about how she interprets it. make it something a little more extreme. Instead of taking her phone away, OP grabbed a knife and started grinding it to make it sharp. Did he assault her? No. Will she feel threatened? Hell yes. Taking the phone away (gently) isn't an isolated incident here, it happened after she said she wanted to leave, but OP reminded her that she couldn't leave easily and that she had promised him sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:52 PM
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If she said no and asked to go home, of course he would have taken her gone. Actually she did say she wanted to leave. It's right there. This is what OP said: "She said she wanted to leave, but I reminded her she promised sex and couldn't leave easily (she was at my place without transportation to get away)" Doesn't really look like OP is offering to take her home if she wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:49 PM
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This is the guys version. It can only get much worse from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:43 PM
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If she outwardly gave consent (which it sounds like she did) then it is legally consensual. Consent under pressure isn't legally consent as far as I know. (at least where I live.) Besides, you could argue that she first did not give content by saying she wants to leave, but felt threatened by OP (who said that she couldn't leave easily). it isn't a very good parable for TRP because we don't know what happened. That's why I ask. If this is a parable of TRP and if this guy is guilty are two differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:41 PM
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Get out of here with your common sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:39 PM
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We don't. But keep in mind that OP probably presents the nicest version of events possible. Seeing as she literally fled the house afterwards while OP was in the shower, it's safe to say this isn't a case where she regrets it later. She clearly felt unsafe. But could OP have known? I say yes, because earlier, she already said she wanted to leave and OP responded by reminding her that leaving wouldn't be easy and that she had promised him sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:20 PM
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I think you would have a hard time making the case that he threatened her. One key point is that he took her phone away while knowing she had no easy way of leaving his place. That could very easily be interpreted as threatening
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:09 PM
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I understand, but to me there is a difference between "Take a risk and maybe get rejected" unsafe and "this might be rape" unsafe. First thing is definitely good and masculine. Second thing not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:03 PM
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That's a very far fetched way of interpreting the answer. Furthermore, you are not Atlas, so you don't know what she meant by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:46 PM
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but he hasn't done anything to threaten her Which, again is the point. What is "doing anything to threaten her" mean? Pushing through a no can be interpreted as being threatening, and depending on the situation, the girl could be right. Bring it into the other thread. Which thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:35 PM
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A bit further in the discussion I asked how masculine men tell "no means no" and "no means yes" apart. Atlas said that they don't care. Nothing to do with her husband anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:32 PM
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A verbal yes, in the absence of threat, is consent. Yes it is. You are right. However, and this is where the grey area actually is, who decides what is a threat? Is a big guy ignoring the first no a threat? Guy says no, but girl feels threatened. Things like this do happen. Who's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:22 PM
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What's that got to do with rape? Freaking out is really not part of any situation here. We're talking about men who don't care if "no means no" or "no means yes" (according to Atlas). That's rapey
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:21 PM
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Man you are paranoid and delusional. all of this date rape hysteria is to keep low value men from pressing their luck. No, it's to prevent women from getting raped
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:16 PM
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I ask her if she is ok. She says she is ok. Most people would take that as a yes. In the context of the story, it's clear the she's not okay, but saying it under pressure. Point is that that this guy does exactly what RP would advice: "Jokingly" remind her of a promise she made earlier to make out, "Gently take her phone away".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:13 PM
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And that's where the rapey behaviour starts friends
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:01 PM
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That simply isn't true, even legally. https://archive.is/ZnMKo Here, the guy doesn't believe he did anything wrong, didn't actively threaten her, but you bet your ass this is rape and will probably hold up in court. Funny thing is, this is not far from how a bit socially inept guy would follow up on TRP advice. I joke with her about her promise. She laughs, I laugh. I move in to make out with her. She isn't into it at first. I ask her if she is ok. She says she is ok. She fiddles with her phone …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:58 PM
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But they do advocate advice that could lead to rape. Simple as that. If your advice said "push through a no", there will be cases when someone following your advice commits a rape, even without knowing it himself. People that actually believe that You know in your heart of hearts this girl would absolutely love to give in to her lust and passion. You know she would enjoy the fuck out of herself. is always true, that's why some people do need education on consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:50 PM
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Like I said, guys good with social cues won't be in this situation. But guys who are not, and use TRP to get "game" can easily internalize the "TRP said she actually wants me" advice and go way too far. I believe that it's an attitude that will lead to more "false" rape accusations, and these guys will come back to TRP to wine how unfair the law is etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:44 PM
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Let me rephrase. On the one hand TRP tells you to push through a no. On the other hand, there is at least once a week an outrage about false rape accusations, where the general opinion is "If she eventually said yes, it's not rape". It's very hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:34 PM
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And how do these masculine men know if it's a "shit test" or a "genuine no"? Look, I think most socially skilled guys can tell the difference. However, there are also guys who are not that socially skilled and reading things like this: You know in your heart of hearts this girl would absolutely love to give in to her lust and passion. You know she would enjoy the fuck out of herself. on TRP leads them to believe that every no actually means yes. That's why I believe the idea of LMR can be pretty…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:32 PM
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Seriously? Grabbing a girls hand after you are making out with her and leading her out of a bar is not rape. It's not even a grey area. Like I said, this example isn't too bad. It's still a bit of coercion though, but highly unlikely that anyone, or any law would see this as rape. So link one. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/24ucn5/the_red_pill_truth_about_socalled_rape_culture/ Here's what I think is a good one. Now, most socially skilled guys won't err on the wrong side here. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:30 PM
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Yes it's a dilemma. Point is, the safe option is to walk away. If you gamble on the "it's just a shit test" side of the dilemma, don't be surprised if you get a rape accusation on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:20 PM
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But you did not say "no, I don't want to" first, did you? The point is that sometimes when a woman says no, she means it, but if you keep pushing, she'll say yes because she thinks it's the safest option, not because she actually wants it. Yes, these things happen, especially with large intimidating guys. And that's still rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:14 PM
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And this also happens to be the exact stupid shit women always tell me about and how "hot that was" and how exciting and great the guy is. You know why? Because women aren't all the same. Some women find this hot. Some women mean it when they say no, and if you think she's one of the "I find that hot" women, you're coercing her into sex. And that's rape. A big guy that ignores a no can be quite intimidating. If he ignores the first and maybe the second no, there are enough women that wouldn't da…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 01:58 PM
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They say somethings that could easily lead to them being accused of rape though. An example from a thread from today: https://np.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/439dex/made_girl_pay_for_first_date_drinks_calls_me_an/czh66a1 In response to a girl saying: "I won't sleep with you because you are friends with my boss", this guy recommends to do this: "You're not at work". Grab her hand and pull her out the door. Now, that is the exact thing that get into the grey area of whether or not it's rape. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:57 PM
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Just don't be surprised if you get a "false" accusation against you then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:13 PM
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That would be rape for you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:35 AM
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So being attractive = red pill now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:01 AM
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99,999 % of mammal species is not capable of driving cars. Why would anyone think homo sapiens is different?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:29 AM
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Friendly, bubbly and warm look like the opposite of emotionally distant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:28 AM
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OP's doesn't list submission among the traits though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:15 AM
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You think this barbie has realistic proportions? Have you looked at the waist/hip ratio?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:36 AM
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Words of wisdom Xem
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:35 AM
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It's weird how the male version of this perfect woman doesn't do too well on the actual dating market. But the female beta you described doesn't have the same qualities/properties as the male beta though. You did not add Isn't social Is only into anime/gaming stuff (Your female version of this is "somewhat nerdy", which really isn't the same) to the fembeta list. And let these two things be the two things out of the male beta you describe that I think most people would say are the most unattract…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:32 AM
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Not if you look at the waist though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:49 PM
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I've had several people cheat with friends of mine on their Beta Bux partners. And you've probably met many more people who don't cheat. I know twenty people who've cheated. I know tons who (as far as I know of course) haven't. Furthermore, you really don't know the specifics of a relationship where a partner cheats. What you call beta bux might also mean that the man is simply boring and bad in bed. Are those beta traits? I don't really think that. You can be a loyal, stable, emotional and cari…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:39 PM
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If you get your relationships material exclusively from clubs, don't be surprised if that kind of girls are a bit more inclined to sleep around. But even then, just because a TRP'er (or ten or twenty) got cheated on, doesn't mean that every women has a natural irrestistable urge to fuck the nearest "alpha" regardless of their being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:28 PM
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EDIT: BONUS ROUND FOR GUYS: How many of you would be into the female version of the above? Ie, a stable, loyal chick who would never cheat Of course I want that. Everyone wants that right? has somewhat nerdy hobbies/interests/career, As long as you're passionate about your hobbies/interests/career, and we share a bit of similarities between ours, sure. is average in looks (you would rate her as a 5), A bit above average doesn't hurt. This is the only thing on that list I would rather not have. u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 10:47 PM
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So you think women becoming so thin that it's literally dangerous for their health is an ideal? Because that's what looking like Barbie will do to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 10:10 PM
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No she didn't have to say yes. He is scummy because, (according to my interpretations going to the other side really wouldn't have cost him much trouble at all), he could have done something for someone else here but didn't. Think of it like this: You are running late for something very important. However, the road is closed and there is only one other road, but a tiny part of it is private road and blocked by a guys car. He could spent ten minutes to move his car, but only if you blow him for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:55 PM
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Still a scummy move. Although I don't know what the costs for Sinbad are for crossing the river, it can't be too much if he just offered to sail in exchange for sleeping with her. He's in his right, but doesn't make him not a scumbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:45 PM
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You are most hot women? Or you asked all of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:37 PM
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Yeah, shitty women exist. You won't see TBP denying that. Just because a guy had a shitty girlfriend doesn't mean that all your girlfriends will run of to the nearest "Alpha" the moment they see one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:36 PM
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You should have bolded "A flood has destroyed all bridges" too. Because that is pretty vital information, because it is important to know that her only way to cross the river is by sleeping with Sinbad. While Sinbad did just act in his own self interest, he is also a bit of a jerk. He knows that Abigale wants to cross the river and that he owns the only boat, so he asks something from Abigale she would rather not do. Pretty jerk-ish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 05:46 PM
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Well like I said, find out what you're passionate about and try to meet like minded people. Worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:27 PM
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Normally Ben is wrong. However, if you are inexperienced and not the most socially skilled and attractive, Tinder might not be the best way for you. It relies very heavily on first impressions. First you must have a picture good/attractive enough to keep attention, then you must be charismatic enough to keep the conversation. A lot of people will eventually do that, but it's not for everyone. I'm sure you have talents and hobbies. And I'm sure there are other people (girls) who have the same hob…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:58 PM
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I try a different approach. I say "thank you." Instead "sorry I'm late" (emphasis on me me me), I say "Thank you for waiting." That's a good one, should try that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:49 PM
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It's advice that will just make people see you as an asshole. If it's your opinion, you don't have to apologize for it. (To a degree, if your opinion is "all jews should die", perhaps you shoud apologize). However, if you said something provably false, or hurt people with what you said, just apologize. Don't overdo it. Just apologize and be done with it. You'll be surprised how much respect it'll get you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:36 PM
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and instead of making a normal one they make a fat one, You think this one is fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 12:39 PM
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Yes I did. I said that some arrested people are innocent. Just like some people that use TRP create problems where non exist. How do you not understand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:53 PM
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No one is free entirely from bias. But it's good to realize when something is just a bias and not fact. Because there are people who are biased to both sides, I believe it's baseless to claim that one gender has a shittier personality. Both sides will keep throwing out examples of how many men/women they met with a shitty personality. TRP is no better than the Radfems (and they are disgusting too) on this ground. They look at the worst women and assume that counts for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:15 PM
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And you're basing that on? Your personal experience? If so, there are millions of people who's personal experience suggests the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:08 PM
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Of course not. Let's practise some reading skills with a basic example. There are cases where arrested people are innocent. There are cases where arrested people are not innocent. See how my second statement said there are cases where the first statement isn't true? But does this mean the first statement is never true? Of course it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:07 PM
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Yes I did say something. I said that there are cases in which TRP causes men to see problems where none exist and that that is an harmful effect of TRP. That's it. That's a stance. I didn't say all cases, I didn't imply it. That's your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:56 PM
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The only thing I'm arguing here (now and in other threads too) regarding this is that it's a baseless claim to say that women have shittier personalities. Combined with the fact that on the TRP sub, there is a circlejerk saying just that from time to time, I frame it as an anti-TRP argument. Regarding looks, I said what I think and you said what you thought. Looks are highly subjective anyway, and because we are interested in women (I presume), we cannot judge male and female looks and compare t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:54 PM
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Yes, I said that RP COULD cause this. In OTHER CASES, the opposite might be true. Reading comprehension friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:51 PM
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So now you're saying that personality is rougly equal among the genders. But just now you said that women are more often self-centered and have bad attitudes. Also, I think you overestimate how attractive the average woman is for a man. It's just that men have lower standards if it's just a one-night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:44 PM
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As always, there is a middle ground and both extremes are bad. Because my example exists doesn't mean yours doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:36 PM
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How about me? I don't believe any gender has better or worse personality than the other. And I'm really not the only one that thinks this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:34 PM
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And in my personal opinion more women do tend to have self centred personalities and bad attitudes than men. I could be biases by the fact my roommates girlfriend is currently screaming at him hysterically though. Yeah, that's a bias right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:31 PM
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That still implies that women have worse personalities than men. Otherwise, if women are more attractive than men, and men improve that, they'd be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:24 PM
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Of course not, you're just using a strawman. I said that TRP could cause insecure men to see problems where none exist. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:19 PM
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But now you're implying that it's somehow more difficult for women to change their personality (and also implying that a lot of them need changing). Or am I seeing that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:19 PM
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And now you're doing the exact thing you just said TRP didn't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:11 PM
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Trp doesn't say women can't improve themselves, just that they have no capability to do so. That's what TRP says a lot of the time. At least the sub on Reddit does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:06 PM
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If we cannot generalize about men or women, then we'll never be able to get through life. Sure, but there is generalization when it's useful and there is "all women will always do this stuff for their selfish gains" generalization. I think too much generalization is never good, however there are two things that make TRP's version of it much more despicable. 1) While the generalization of women isn't always on sexual stuff (dishonesty etc are seen too), TRP NEVER EVER generalizes women with a pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 06:03 PM
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How about "all women are people"? And thus, they may screw you over, they may not. They may be influenced to sleep with you by certain kinds of behaviour or they may not. Until you interact with them, you really can't know much more than "that woman is indeed a human". Of course you can say some things, she's most likely romantically interested in men, if she's in a club she usually likes to party, but that's not the AWALT stuff that TRP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:59 PM
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"I have observed women who act exactly like what I've described in direct contradiction to you saying "no, they don't act like this"? See, whenever people say that, it's usually on the sub TBP, which is designed to make fun of TRP, not for serious discussion. In most serious discussions I have seen, almost everyone will agree with you that of course vile manipulating women exist. And of course, TRP works on some women. There is a difference between these two posts: I got falsely accused of rape,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:31 PM
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Again, particularly wary =/ believing that women are naturally more predispositioned to lie and manipulate for their own selfish gain. There's enough "AWALT no self-awareness and selfish bitches" on TRP. While I would disagree with having a cynical worldview, it's not quite the same as the AWALT bullshit found on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:28 PM
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I didn't say that. That's just your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:26 PM
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See that is a valid concern. She turning sex down every now and than is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:24 PM
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2) I'm not like that, my friends are not like that, I've never met women who act like that, so therefore, TRP is wrong Which is a perfectly valid argument. TRP claims that AWALT(tm), or that all women have a much greater disposition towards traits such as dishonestly and manipulation. If a lot of women say that it isn't true in their experience, that is a valid reason to doubt TRP's arguments. 1) what you're doing is immoral and evil and you need to stop Actually, that type of argument isn't use…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:24 PM
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I'm not. I'm just pointing out that what TRP sees as a problem indicator isn't always one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:55 PM
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For a lot of these men they believe (because of TRP) that not getting sex everyday = lack of respect. They then set out to fix a lack of respect that wasn't there in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:40 PM
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That has nothing to do with my point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:26 PM
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Believing that everyone is capable of lying and manipulating is a whole lot different than believing all women are naturally geared towards doing that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:07 PM
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For lots of insecure men, TRP can "create" problems. For example, they start seeing it as a problem that they don't get sex everyday, because TRP tells you that a loving wife will always love to give you blowjobs. Thus they start to believe that their wife doesn't respect them and that they must apply dreadgame, thus creating a real problem. Note that this doesn't apply to everyone in MRP, but there are certainly many post I've seen where there really wasn't that much wrong and the man "used" TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:00 PM
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Sure there are. But assuming all women are dishonest, will lie to manipulate and will fuck you over in any way they can is way too black for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:53 PM
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"your anecdotes are fake, ours are real" is self serving BS. And that is exactly what TRP does. When presented with anecdotes that don't confirm to their views, they either dismiss it as an anecdote that doesn't confirm anything, or just call the person who told it a liar. Which is ironic, because TRP truths are built upon anecdotes themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:27 PM
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Assuming all people are out to rob me is also much safer, but never trusting people won't make my life any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:25 PM
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Except TBP doesn't. The only thing TBP does is not agreeing with TRP. TBP does believe that anecdotes don't prove bigger trends, but when pitted against people who do believe in anecdotes, they're happy to present their own. And by the TRP "anecdotes contain truth" logic, TRP is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:08 PM
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Here's the thing TRP says AWALT based on observations. Thus, they put value in self-reported observations. But if other people report observations that suggest AWALT doesn't work, they dismiss it as lying, or anecdotes that cannot prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:54 PM
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That's a major strawman right there. They do say that, but there's also a lot of "you're objectively wrong, and here are some studies" or, "your FR doesn't prove a general reality". These are all valid points.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:42 PM
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Yeah, the point is that TRP get's some insecure men, who's only real problem is insecurity (and a lot of people have that), to manifest their insecurity is terrible abusive ways. While there are much better options such as therapy to actually adress that insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:38 PM
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I will say that there are some BP'ers who say that. But most of them simply believe that all people are different. Therefore, any single field report can be true (if exaggerated), but concluding AWALT from a field report (or 10 FR's) is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:35 PM
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Yes, that's debate for you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:25 PM
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You can, absolutely. Check this one out https://np.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/42thd7/edging_the_main_event/ I realize that this is downvoted and goes too far even for MRP, but what I understand from the comments is that there wasn't really anything wrong with his marriage, and TRP helped him completely ruin it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:24 PM
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You don't really know that. There might be some lurkers who are just exploring ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:21 PM
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In traditional debating, the aim is not to convince your opponent, but to convince the spectators. The debate isn't meant to have a real outcome, because both parties will never be convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:16 PM
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it is because TRP makes itself immune to criticism. Spot on. Very conviently, any woman who has personal experiences or preferences that don't align with TRP views is lying because admitting RP truths would be unconvenient for her. With this mindset, ANY worldview becomes immune to ANY proof. You can LITERALLY argue anything, and just shout that people who say different are lying because the truth would be inconvenient for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:10 PM
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I was told 'You do realise women get killed for saying No right? You realise you're comparing men getting laughed at to women getting murdered and think there is ANY competition?' This was taken as further proof I'm a rape apologist. I mean, I really don't think you are a rape apologist. But here's a fact: an average man is much stronger than the average woman. It's easy for the woman to feel threatened and say consent when she actually doesn't want, out of fear for her safety. These things happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:59 PM
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Women are not sexually attracted to their equals. Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:16 PM
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A lot of girls like saying no to see if you'll push through it. Trust me bro, if she really wants to have sex with you, she's not saying no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:17 PM
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I disagree with you here. Sure, some women have trouble making final calls, but I know lots of men who do too. It is entirely possible that on average, women like to make less decisions. I would believe that. But the right relationship model is still "talk to your partner about decision making and see who makes what decisions", not "Captain/first mate is naturally the best model"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:28 PM
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Well, what is the reason that the man should always have the final say in these situations? I think for a good relationship it would be best to see who would benefit the most from a solution and let that person pick. If both benefit equally, pick one partner to make the decision, and agree that the next time in a similar scenario, the other partner makes the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:20 PM
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Let's apply that to reality: A couple has to buy a house. They come down with two options, both are unhappy with one option. What happens if one of the partners gets the final call here? The other partner is unhappy. What is the right solution? Look for a third house together. I (and most of TBP I would think) am not opposed to the man making certain decisions in a relationship, or the woman. But TRP act like it's a biotruth that the man should have the final call on all big decisions. Captain/F…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:16 PM
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No. the man should have the heavy responsibility of making the final call on big decisions. And even that doesn't work. If you can't come to a good solution to a big problem together, you should definitely not let one partner have the final decision on it. That will just create animosity from the other partner. You call it "responsibility", but the truth is that both people in a relationship feel the effects of a big decision. It's not possible for the man to say "I make the decisions, I take re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:05 PM
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If you read the beginning of the threat, OP specifies that he discusses the model as applied in relationships, not in teacher-pupil situations and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 07:13 PM
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I think you misunderstood then. Nobody is seriously saying that it is wrong that the teacher has authority over the pupils. At least most TBP'ers don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 07:07 PM
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All the examples you list are unequal definitions by nature. Of course the cop has authority, of course the teacher has authority. That is necessary to perform their function. A relationship doesn't fit these criteria. Most people don't desire an unequal relationship. Sure, it's totally okay if she prefers him to make some decisions, but the "captain first mate" model assumes that the man should always make the decisions and the woman should just advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 06:57 PM
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That's not how I've seen many TRP'ers describe it. They say: she can give advice, but I get the final say. Relationship decision affect both parties. Give one party the final say, and there's bound to be trouble if there's disagreement on important problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 03:57 PM
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It's really simple. When you both put rougly an equal amount of effort in a relationship, but one party gets the final say on all issues that effect the entire relationship, the relationship will be strained. It might work in some cases, but most people wouldn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 02:21 PM
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That's fine and dandy, but if you criticize TRP, a lot of people here will say "These people are doing it wrong, that's not what true TRP means". If we can't use the textual definition for feminism, we can't use it for TRP. Thus both are shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 11:46 PM
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As long as he wraps his dick, I hardly see what could go wrong. Apart from the fact that he may not want to have sex with his ex of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:02 PM
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Like I said, there is a technical definition and a practical definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 03:34 PM
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I would disagree somewhat. "Smashing the patriarchy" is fine by me if that means that men can do whatever the fuck they want and be as feminine as they want, and not be judged. If that's the goal, I'll gladly help to smash the patriarchy. Because I do believe that a lot of the traditional male values are bad for a lot of men. And they are upheld by other men too. In that regard, I think "Smashing the patriarchy" would help some of the things MRA's talk about, such as the male suicide problem. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 03:12 PM
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I think it technically does. Feminism, as it's officially defined by the feminist organizations is that. The Merriam Webster dictionary gives us two definitions by the way: Full Definition of feminism 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests They seem a bit contradictory, but if you view it from the perspective of women being behind with rights and interests, it makes sense. But is that still the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 03:07 PM
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But it's more difficult. Depends, in one of my earlier comments I showed that forming an attachment can make you more attractive to your partner. You may not be as objectively hot (as far as hot is objective), but the same effect is reached. My point was you can be the model SO/do all the things you're supposed to and it won't get you anywhere because the stable guy cannot compete with the hot/bad boy. Well of course some people are perfect in their relationship and still get screwed. Foolish to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:37 AM
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Nothing to do with logic, or reason, or how the brain works. That's just because men and women are physically different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:20 AM
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True but that doesn't stop her from missing the sex/excitement? You can offer just as much sex and excitement without being as hot though. if anything stability kills attraction. Stability as in boredom does kill attraction. Doing fun new stuff is important. Stability as in: "This is a respectful relationship and it will stay that way" is good. Just hop on over to r/relationships, at least once a week there's a post about a guy finding out that his wfie settled for him and had the kind of sex he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:14 AM
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This isn't the only research that shown effects similar to this. The only "evidence" for alpha widows is the fact that TRP has some anecdotes about them. Of course, if she's had an amazing relationship prior to you, she may hold you to a higher standard. But then we are talking about relationship, and not just how hot/masculine the guy was. And even that doesn't always mean she will cheat/leave you because the previous guy was a little better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 09:51 PM
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If you like it, go for it. If you're insecure enough to think that your girl will think less of you after, you've got bigger issues
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 08:02 PM
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Keep trolling friend
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 07:08 PM
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Haha. It's true friend. Read the abstract of this for example: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-6811.1998.tb00175.x/abstract Basically what it says is that a potential partner's attractiveness is, in part, a function of the degree to which the partner can offer the opportunity to form a secure attachment bond. Random Chad from two years ago won't have a very large attachment bond with her. You can, if you're being a good partner and the relationship goes well. That heightens you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 07:03 PM
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You're assuming that women would want to be raped by their attractive male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:59 PM
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Disagree. In general if you are a good partner and there is not a big difference between your sex drives, you're probably gonna have a good time. And one thing you're forgetting, if you are with the same person for some time and things are going well, you're forging a bond. That bond can easily help make you more attractive to your partner than random Chad she was with ten years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:57 PM
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But do women do that? TRP says so, but I've never really seen it in real life. That's not to say you can be as fat and lazy as you want in a relationship, but you really don't have to be the hottest out of all her past partners. You have to be the best relationship partner, and that is hell of a lot more than just masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:48 PM
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i'm asking why you would wanna be friends with someone you're not attracted to Because they can still make good friends? If you let the fact that some people might commit crimes against you deter you from seeing people, you're gonna have a bad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:46 PM
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You are much more likely to be murdered by people you know, so why do you still hang out with people you wouldn't want to be murdered by? But to seriously answer your question, most people value having friends too, even if they don't want to have sex with them. And yeah, some "friends" are actually rapists. But if you let that fact make you not have friends, you're gonna have a far worse life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:44 PM
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WW2 was won by the feminists, who proceeded to imprison every men and only sleep with the top 0,001% from then on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:58 PM
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Well, in that case my observations prove different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:52 PM
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That's the one. Are you too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:52 PM
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What makes you think you need to be 6 foot to get a girl? I'm 5 foot 8 and I haven't had any trouble. My girlfriend is even a couple of inches taller. And I'm living in a country where 6 ft is below average height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:49 PM
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Yeah. No. I really don't think most guys in a relationship have one or multiple side girls. But, believe what you want to believe, won't make your life any easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:46 PM
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Expectations and standards are not the same thing. Girl want a hot guy. Guys want a hot girl. Not much difference I would think. But, and this may surprise you, once you get past a certain standard for looks (and it isn't that high, especially as a man, 95% can easily reach that standard by exercising, dressing well and taking care of themselves), personality starts to matter more. Talking about relationships that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:45 PM
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Well, if you want to believe that, go ahead. I won't change your mind anyway. But trust me: they don't. Some do, but shitheads exist. Besides, just like guys don't accept their girl sleeping around, so do most girl not accept their guy sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:42 PM
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I agree, but the difference in past sexual behavior between him and her is likely to be substantial, or at least more likely to be greater in her favor. That's said a lot, but I've never seen any statistics that support that average women has more sexual partners than the average men. It's as far as I know a baseless claim that rests upon anecdotal evidence. MEN value sex more than you, so it understandable you don't grasp this. You may not have realized it, but I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:40 PM
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Because most people value their relationship above getting one night of fun with a person outside of their relationships. You really think most hot guys in relationships regularly cheat, and with multiple girls at that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:37 PM
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It isn't. The baseline is simply "average" in both genders. You're a guy I assume, so you may view the average girl as hotter than the average guy, but that is your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:35 PM
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Because that's what most people in a relationship do: sticking with one other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:34 PM
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We were talking about relationships. A guy in a relationship is with one girl in the vast majority of the cases. He's not getting half a dozen girls off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:29 PM
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The source of my claim is what I see around me. What you see on the internet depends on the place where you look, and is obviously exaggerated. Some girls have it easy in getting relationships, but so do some guys. Almost everyone could get one, if you lower your standards enough. But obviously, most people don't want to lower them a lot (and that is their right).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:29 PM
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Of course relationships aren't the same story. It's mathematically impossible for most average girls to be in a relationship with hot guys, unless all the hot girls are not getting the hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:24 PM
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Not really. Most women don't jump from relationship to relationship, not more than men do. It's not like every women is always in a relationship and only a few men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:20 PM
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Yeah, but what you're forgetting is that women don't value casual sex as high as men do. So, basically, you are looking at this from a very male-centric perspective. In the end, most people end up in a relationship, instead of just getting casual sex all their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:17 PM
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but one is entitled to much better quality of partners (attractiveness, wealth, social abilities and so on) and also to a much broader selection of potential partners. I really think you are making this "problem" much much bigger than it is. In the end, most average women date average men. There's really no bubble to speak of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 05:04 PM
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On the contrary, this sub is very red. Read some of the arguments: there are always two sides. The Red Pill side The midde ground No one ever argues in favor of extreme feminist views, but people do argue in favor of extreme Red Pill views.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:46 PM
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It can be, but the claim that all/most women define creepy behaviour on whether or not the guy doing it is attractive is pretty baseless to me. Yes, the SJW's on Tumblr say dumb shit, but no one I know used "creepy" and meant "unattractive"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 01:50 AM
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Well yeah, crazy hypocritical people exist. Like I said, most women don't think talking to them is creepy. If a word loses its meaning for you after one incident, maybe it never meant much to you to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 01:45 AM
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On the one hand it makes me a bit angry, on the other hand, no one that I know would ever take stuff like that seriously, so I don't think that attitude is as widespread as the internet would have us believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 01:18 AM
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In other news today: some people are crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:59 AM
0

I would fully support you telling their employer. It's up to the employer what he does with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:58 AM
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Posting on reddit under a pseudonym isn't something that can reasonably be linked back to a person, or a workplace. No, that doesn't count. Nor do I think we should try to dox Redpillers who post on Reddit. If RedPillers where posting this stuff on social media, linked to their name? Sure, tell it to their employer, he can decide if he wants to associate with these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:42 AM
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They laughed. I could hear them teasing and glancing over in my direction in embarrassment. That's not feminist behaviour, that's just 16 year old shitheads being assholes. Furthermore, I do disagree with calling every man a potential rapist. Helps no one. But I think there is a distinction between every man and "large man you meet after dark at a busstop". Hell, I'm a man and sometimes I become uncomfortable if a large man would just sit near me at a quiet place. I can image a young woman, who …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:47 PM
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Please tell me what's wrong with people being responsible for what they say? If that's how TRP got started, that means that TRP is literally a place where men are angry that they can't spew hateful shit without social consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:43 PM
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He was barred from using the Internet for 3 years during the course of the trial. Agreed, that's not fair at all. That's like a guilty sentence without actually having been found guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:35 PM
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If I was an employer, and an employee, who people know is working for me, said hateful shit on the internet, and that could be traced back to his name directly, I'd rather people tell me. So: Their employers can decide who they want without tattle tells bugging them Employers can decide who they want, after they have the facts about the person's behaviour. So what's the harm in telling an employer facts about a person's behaviour? In the end, the employer makes the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:27 PM
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Except they didn't get him banned from computers, because a ban from computers would be a conviction, which is as I said, unlawful. The point is more general. Free speech shouldn't get you into trouble with the law, but don't complain if your boss doesn't want you around anymore after you say hateful shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:23 PM
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Sure, he doesn't deserve to be thrown in prison (or be convicted in any way). Good call by the judge. Free speech is upheld here. However: though the judge noted his words were sometimes “insulting and homophobic” If you stay stupid shit on social media with your name attached to it, don't be surprised if you get into trouble at your job. This guy is smart enough to know that. Just don't say stupid shit then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:17 PM
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No, people don't judge fairly. Creepy behaviour may not be labeled as such when you're attractive. But I don't think just talking to a girl will be labeled creepy by most women, even if the guy is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:39 PM
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You simply say things with zero sourcing. Anyone can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:44 PM
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I'm not saying that women always get fucked over by divorce. I'm saying that it's stupid to pretend that men do. the women there typically limit the fathers custody to every second weekend, choosing the maximum child support over more time to work. Source please. All I could find in Australian law was this: AGE-APPROPRIATE PARENTING ARRANGEMENTS There has been a great deal of research into attachment theory which relates to the bonds newborn babies form with a primary carer. Accordingly, orders …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:31 PM
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It also leaves the majority of men powerless over women. Most men cannot afford to take on women's legal privilege. Despite you claiming that, men are on average still financially better off after a divorce, and women are financially worse after a divorce. (source: https://aifs.gov.au/publications/financial-living-standards-after-divorce/introduction) Financially speaking, women have less incentive than men to divorce. For every story about a man getting fucked over in a divorce, there is a stor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:20 PM
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It's always the same discussion about abortion. Abortion isn't a button you push and the child disappears. It's a procedure that is still looked down upon in many places in America and not freely accessible to everyone. Once that is fixed, I think we can look at that again. get various gov programs without signing up for the draft, Agreed. Ironic thing is, it's not feminists that keep this from happening. President Carter tried to move towards a gender equal draft in 1980, but the male congress …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:35 PM
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Distracted from what? Corrupt politics?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:25 PM
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Women have more rights, They do? Never heard of it, apart from reproductive rights, which isn't really unequal, since reproduction is by nature unequal because the women bears the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:22 PM
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Seriously though, give us at least a TL DR if you want us to think about this. The piece reads like you're just trying to use long words as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:20 PM
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Call me crazy, You're crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:16 PM
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Even if you look at upper class men vs upper class women, I don't think you can say either is more oppressed. Sure, child support injustices happen more often to men, but women have a greater risk of being sexually assaulted. Both genders have their problems and they both think theirs are the worst problems. Asking "who is more oppressed" is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:14 PM
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And nor do privileged well educated men have a problem with oppression. It's obviously the lower classes that suffer the most, that's not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:54 PM
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Nobody is more "oppressed". Both genders face their issues and they are all important. Extreme feminists always try to discredit male problems and extreme MRA's discredit female problems. That way, no one wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 11:58 AM
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Sure, I'm not trying to change your mind, cause I know I won't. But you are posting this on a debate sub, so of course I debate. In my mind, you have nothing to lose, but everything to gain from having sex before marriage. If it works out great, nothing changes. If it doesn't you're gonna be glad you found out before you are married. That said, I do wish you all the best for you marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:16 AM
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she will be hotter than he is, and will dump him because she can get hotter men than he is. One thing you are forgetting here: if she's been with him for years, the bonding and companionship they forged can compensate for her being able to get "hotter" men. While she could get more physically attractive men perhaps, the total value of these men would not be higher than her current partner, because she has bonded with her partner by simply spending time with him, forging common interests, doing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:14 AM
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Besides, stats show these relationships are the most stable. Which is because divorce is looked down upon in the Church, so people stay together, even if they are relatively unhappy. More importantly, do stats show that these relationships are the most happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:27 PM
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Whether or not that's a low or high drive doesn't really matter. Yes, but you are not compatible if he has a low drive and you have a high drive, or the other way around. So it does matter. You wouldn't be the first one to get a nasty surprise after marriage when the sex isn't great and it becomes the source of a lot of tension.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:26 PM
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I'm reasonably sure we are sexually compatible. How so? You've never had sex with him, so how would you know? This is a thing many people do have trouble with. What if he wants a lot of sex and you don't, or the other way around? You're both gonna be unhappy. And you can't really know that until you try.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:23 PM
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You've done what before? Asking this question? Picking your nose? Why are you asking this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 06:22 PM
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What's the point of this? I'd be disgusted and would walk away. Who wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 06:18 PM
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The point isn't the 4 months, it's that you need to find out if you are sexually compatible before marriage. Because if you aren't you're gonna have an unhappy marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 06:17 PM
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You're not listening. Even though they may be the best candidate for the job, people don't vote for them because they are women (not in all cases of course, but it happens, gender bias is a thing). If people don't vote for you because of something outside of your control you can be the best, but you don't get the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 02:56 PM
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They can, it's just harder. I'm on my phone right now, but there is plenty research done to gender bias and perception of gender in different fields. Just search some relevant terms on google scholar. This also applies to your other proof question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 02:22 PM
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Shouldn't it be the candidate's job to convince the voter that they are the best candidate, rather than playing the gender card? If a woman only got elected because of her gender, then that would lead me to believe that she isn't the best candidate. The best candidate will have experience and a track record and know how to convince people to vote for them. All this reasoning only works when you assume that the candidates start with equal chances. You can be the best candidate, but if there is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:26 AM
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Quotas does not end bigotry. It just pisses off people. For example, I think Hillary Clinton is playing the gender card. Many of her supporters want to get the first womyn president elected. And on the other end of the stick, many women in the southern state won't vote for her because they don't think a women is fit for president. Quotas does not end bigotry. It just pisses off people. At the start. However, if your government is all male, people will see that as the standard. Any women trying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:15 AM
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But what if his wife could also tell him what to wear? If I can hit you and you can hit me, we'll have true equality!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 10:37 AM
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I could collect the best ideas from philosophers from the past X years and dump them together in my own way of life. Doesn't make it new. The ideas that TRP expresses are not new. In most cases, they are pretty old fashioned ideas even.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:32 PM
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OP argued that TRP is a new thing. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:28 PM
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Blue pill treats red pill as the embodiment of the patriarchy, the reminiscence of the 1800s, Yeah, It's not like TRP often quotes philosophers and texts from the 1800s or way earlier to support their wisdom right? Oh wait, they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 10:44 PM
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Men regard women as children. Don't insult me like that. RP men do maybe, but most don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:08 PM
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You read one story and suddenly you've figured the real reason young women have sex? Congratulations!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:04 PM
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Well that's basically how taxes/welfare work too. Take money away from one group and give it to the ones who need it more. And most Europeans are okay with that too. Nobody who votes left thinks that refugees will actually make our country economically stronger. They know refugees cost money. They just posess basic human empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 09:01 PM
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Nah, won't happen. Don't let your mind be clouded by right wing media who rely on fear mongering to gather their votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 06:51 PM
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Luckily, Europe has more compassion than that. I wouldn't have it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 06:37 PM
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Most refugees are innocent people too you know
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 06:05 PM
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Do you see TRP tweeting "kill all women"? Now now, the Kill All Men tweets are really bad examples. One women who did it was immediately suspended, and the other faced legal trouble and a shitstorm of outrage. These tweets are about the furthest possible thing from being accepted by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:59 PM
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Fear mongering due to the media. There was a thread on askreddit a few days ago asking what most Germans felt about the refugee crisis. Almost all of them said that most refugees are nice people who just wanted a better life, and that they (the Germans) hardly felt any effects. I'll gladly take in a few rotten apples to help a huge amount of people gain a better life. That said, we could (and should) be harder to those that commit crimes. You commit a crime, you are out immediately if you ask me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:51 PM
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Actually they are according to most European values. And I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:41 PM
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Stopping men from driving would have horrible effects on economic productivity and daily life. Stopping refugees from entering would have beyond horrific effects on their quality of life. the host nation does not really benefit. Of course not. We don't take in refugees to benefit as a host nation, we take them in to help people who were not so lucky to be born in a peaceful country. I would want the same done for if I were born in a wartorn country where my life is threatened every day. We canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:36 PM
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Violence and crime exists everywhere. If population x has a higher proportion of violence than people inside a nation, we should not allow them inside. That's a bad argument. If men cause more accidents on the road than women, should we just not let them drive? Of course not, because we don't hold all men responsible for the idiots. My view is: you commit a crime as a refugee? You're out no questions asked. But I will not judge all refugees, a lot of them have lost everything, on the bad apples …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:24 PM
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They did. Really, whatever happens in the refugee crisis, there are really no winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:22 PM
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The problem on the other side is that if you report stuff like this truthfully, the right side of the spectrum will do everything they can to twist the facts and use it to "prove" that all refugees are evil and should be kept out. Both the left and the right are to blame here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:12 PM
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When did they do that? They shame men who behave creepy as creeps, not socially awkward men. There's a difference you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:48 PM
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Of course not. Porn is the fantasy to have sex with consent (at least in most cases). Look at the most popular porn video's and tell me there's not enthusiastic consent (even if it's badly acted).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:35 PM
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Which basically translates to advice on meal prep and fitness. I mean a lot, and I mean a lot of people could use some solid advice on that. But really, why look for it on TRP? I'm sure there are plenty fitness fora that would offer the same advice. What does TRP bring in that these places don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:32 PM
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No I don't fortunately. Do you only judge what you see feminists do in real life instead of outrage porn on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:45 AM
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Feminism has more extremists because its much bigger. But if we look at the amount of crazies compared to members of the movement? Not so sure hm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:44 AM
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Well, burden of proof is on her, so I simply state the facts. Unless there are really shady circumstances, I won't be found guilty. Just her word isn't enough. And the costs of a trial is for the accuser if the accused is found not guilty where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:29 AM
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And maturity generally increases with age wouldn't you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:20 AM
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Hm you are right in that they fight for womens rights first and foremost. Still, I do consider feminism to fight for equality, but with a focus on womens rights. Disagree if you wish, but I think that is entirely possible. To me, feminism has shown that they support equality and will not resist when things like the equal draft will be announced. But they don't actively fight for it now, because it hasn't worked and for them there are more important issues. And I will say that because feminism hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:16 AM
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So whats your point? We are not even disagreeing. People marrying too fast and too early causes more broken commitments leading to more divorces
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:09 AM
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No, because it does not benefit them, they fight for other things that DO benefit them AFTER their efforts turned out to be fruitless. Their official stance is still an equal draft. Who is stopping the equal draft right now? Not feminists. See my points about housework and taxes, which you still haven't reacted to. I will say that there are a number of feminists with a disgusting attitude towards mensrights, but a greater number say "It's okay for men to be depressed/cry/be "feminine". If societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:07 AM
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I challenge to find when they ever opposed it then. Essentially a feminist organization has fought for something that does not benefit women and another one has taken a stance on it. I've never seen a feminist organization oppose it. For reference see my examples about the taxation and the housework, which you haven't reacted to by the way. A few feminist organizations tried to fight for something that would not benefit them, and they were denied by men. Is it really that weird that they would f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:44 PM
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Then all the defence of TRP members saying stuff with "but that isn't what the core RP philosophy is about!" can be disregarded? Since we should look at the actions of TRP members? I mean, I'm fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:41 PM
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him talking to her is "sexual harassment" (at least to her) Of course not. Don't be stupid, nobody gets sued for sexual harassment for just talking to a woman. Unless you talked about how you are gonna shove your cock down her throat. him touching her is "rape" (at least to her) Well that is the definition of sexual assault, unwanted touching.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:39 PM
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Christ, if the KKK said they weren't racist, would that be sufficient? No because they have taken many actions that proved the opposite. When has feminism taken action that proved they were against equal draft? And not in the context of abolishing the draft alltogether?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:37 PM
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And people not keeping their commitments is often caused by people marrying to early and too fast, because they are less sure about how well they are able to keep their commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:31 PM
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Lip service is meaningless. How do they do that? By making a goddamn statement. As an organization that represent feminism, yes that does matter. And the ACLU fought the unequal draft in court. That's an action in my book. Feminism said "we want to have equal draft for the sake of equality." Male institutions said no. Now, who's turn is it really? I'll give you another example. You live with a roommate. He does all the work around the house and you offer to help multiple times. But he says, no, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:30 PM
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But how much influence do these groups really have outside a select few very liberal universities? I really don't think much. Doesn't mean it's okay on these universities, but really this isn't an epidemic or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:27 PM
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Feminists act in opposition to the draft because they do oppose it. As do I, also I wouldn't call myself a feminist. but that male organizations shut that down ... Literally irrelevant. That is relevant though. Imagine men have always been oppressed. You try to rectify that, and you're doing fine. However, there is one field where men have always been advantaged: they never needed to pay taxes. You state that you would like men to pay taxes, but the congress (full of women) doesn't want it. Afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:22 PM
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I would argue that the early feminists didn't really fight for true equality, since gender roles where so deeply ingrained in society that men fighting and women not having to fight was still seen as true equality. But right now, I think society is more equal than it's ever been. There are a couple of things I don't agree with, but overall I think we are really doing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:10 PM
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Now you are really moving the goalposts. First you argue that it doesn't count because it said non-combat roles. After that you continue to not believe things that are just a simple google search away. And now, it doesn't matter because they only lightly supported the draft. What action did they actually take to achieve this aim? You may or may not know, but announcing opposition publicly is pretty much what such an organization could co. They can't propose laws. What did you expect them to do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:08 PM
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http://now.org/about/history/highlights/ 1980 NOW announces opposition to the draft, but states that if there is a draft, NOW supports the inclusion of women on the same basis as men. https://www.aclu.org/aclu-and-womens-rights-proud-history-continuing-struggle 1981 -- In Rostker v. Goldberg, the ACLU challenged the male-only draft, arguing that it violated the equal protection clause. Although the Supreme Court rejected this challenge, the ACLU's efforts contributed to the gradual transformatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:47 PM
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Absolutely agreed. Still, given that a draft exists, it's better to register everyone, instead of only men. But by all means, we should abolish it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:41 PM
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http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa086.html Indeed, the Carter administration intended to register women, although the proposal was rejected by Congress. If you want the sources, they are listed in the link I send with you. It's really stupid that you continue saying "I don't believe it", when it's just a single google search away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:40 PM
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Good point. But my point is that feminism did try to make the draft equal for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:37 PM
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I didn't move the goalpost. I was reacting to the OP of this comment chain (way up top), who posted that feminism has NEVER meant equal rights. He uses the draft as an argument. I argued back that at least from a certain point onwards (1980 in my case), feminism did try to rectify the draft problem. And your comment about non-combat isn't really valid. Almost all movements start with little steps. The congress wouldn't even grant non-combat draft, what makes you think they would have granted com…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:36 PM
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My decision to register women is a recognition of the reality that both women and men are working members of our society. It confirms what is already obvious throughout our society—that women are now providing all types of skills in every profession. The military should be no exception. In fact, there are already 150,000 women serving in our Armed Forces today, in a variety of duties, up from 38,000 only 10 years ago. They are performing well, and they have improved the level of skills in every …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:33 PM
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Well done for ignoring that they later tried to rectify that mistake multiple times. But feminism is still about discriminating men amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:27 PM
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http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=32906 There I did it for you, took me two seconds. This is a post stating cold hard facts, not feels. It wasn't made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:22 PM
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You are talking 1914, I am talking 1980. Guess which one is closer to modern feminism. The social norms were very very different at the time. I'm not saying these women were right, but that doesn't really represent modern feminism. And before you say "but feminism should have been fighting for the draft from the beginning!", it doesn't make sense to fight for the draft when women aren't even allowed to vote yet. Feminism has fought for the draft and male institutions wouldn't have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:20 PM
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http://male-feminist.tumblr.com/post/32522679726/why-using-the-draft-as-a-weapon-against-a Forgive the use of tumblr, but it states facts and facts are facts. Women tried to abolish the draft. The president tried it. MEN said "No, no women in the draft". And they kept saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:13 PM
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And this video proves it, instead of the multiple sources OP listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 10:01 PM
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No, that is how the craziest feminists operate. And I strongly disagree with that, let's throw 'em to court. But really, it's silly to pretend that happens all the time in colleges.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:27 PM
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And in actual court, these universities are getting told off. While there are a few missteps with due process (and I deeply sympathize with the male victims here), colleges in general are hardly tumblr feminist utopias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:19 PM
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That's one thing that constantly echoes in TRP's echo chambers. No university takes the tumblr crazies serious. Just because there's poster with "check your male privilege" hanging around doesn't make universities sexist. We call that free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:15 PM
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In a way that's true, women do know what kind of men to avoid. Looking at it another way, having an insecure man isn't as big a source of unhappiness as the guy turning to TRP and making the woman's life horrible. Contrary to popular belief here, most women aren't that eager to divorce a man so that they can jump on the next dick. They'd rather see their marriage fixed, which is often possible with therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:07 PM
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I guarantee there exist lots of people not smart enough to realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:00 PM
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I mean you are correct that men who fall for TRP when there is nothing wrong are insecure and idiots, but still, that can be cured by therapy, especially the insecurity. However, once TRP is applied to those marriages, there's often no saving anymore. I'm not ready to declare a lot of useful ideas invalid simply because some people are incapable of critical thinking. Funny, I'd say that a lot TRP ideas don't survive critical thinking at all. Some do, but you can find these ideas on other places.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:56 PM
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Yeah, "If". That "if" isn't always the case. In a lot of cases it is, but I said "SOMETIMES, TRP ruins a marriage where there wasn't really anything wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:40 PM
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I didn't say all of them. I didn't even say a majority of men. There are certainly SOME men who come across TRP, start thinking that there must be something wrong in their marriage, since TRP often states that women are inherently manipulative, and try to start fixing things where there's nothing wrong. Which destroys the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:38 PM
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Sometimes, men who read TRP start seeing red flags in everything their wife does. She talks to a male coworker? She's sleeping with him. She went out with a girlfriend for the weekend? Probably sleeping around. In addition, there are stories on MRP/TRP from posters who say things like "My pregnant wife didn't want sex for the second day in a row, so I didn't do anything for her for a week, even though she asked me." Stuff like that will destroy your marriage, while there actually isn't a problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:34 PM
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Problem is that some men who come across TRP will read about "the true nature of womenTM" and start seeing faults in their marriage where none exist. And then they start fixing non-existent faults and everything starts to fall apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:22 PM
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Well said. Most divorces are simply caused by people marrying too fast without being really sure imo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 07:17 PM
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Femisist are saying that who you sleep with and how much you sleep around is nobodies business except your own, as long as it's consensual. That's pretty much it. There are tumblr crazies who would rather police all men, but who takes them serious outside of their echo chambers?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 07:14 PM
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And who might that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:28 AM
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Yeah, pretty much the same for me. Which is also something that society in general could use I think. Telling people that they are wrong is not assault or violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:28 AM
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So a few clients among millions of students? Still not much. I agree that sometimes universities go too far against accused males. I disagree that any college male has only to do something a woman doesn't like and she will cry rape and immediately get him expelled.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:26 AM
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Yes, venting anger can be very good. What is very bad however, is getting angry for the wrong reasons (imagined slight, nothing happened), venting and actually getting validation for your venting and people saying "your anger is justified". Because anger isn't always justified. If you believe your misguided anger is justified, you'll do it again. And again. That's the kind of stuff that destroys relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:24 AM
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Yes, his emotions are valid. Doesn't mean he got angry for a good reason. If I get angry at a person because I don't like their shoes, is that a good reason? I don't think so. People get angry over nothing all the time, especially people with anger issues (hey, what's in a name right?)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:19 AM
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No, it is one case described. Granted, it is a case where missteps were made and injustice was served, but still, it's only one case. Hence, one of the few outrage stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:18 AM
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Either he has a good reason to be angry, How about he has a bad reason to be angry
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:14 AM
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So? Did I claim men say they are entitled to sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:10 AM
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Congratulations, you found one of the few outrage stories I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:07 AM
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No problem. Sometimes I get carried away a bit and I try to debate things we are not even disagreeing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 11:24 PM
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No, what I said that ruined lives because of false rape accusations are outliers. However, I think it is very difficult to stop these outliers from happening (doesn't mean we shouldn't try!), because we as a society love to judge things (things referring to accusations of pretty much anything, not just false rape accusations) before we have proof. That make sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 11:19 PM
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Fair enough, you're right. I was wrong on that. I must admit I don't know the number of false accusations in relation to the number of damaged reputations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 11:09 PM
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Um no I didn't? I just said that judging someone before there is actual proof happens a lot in society, and also on reddit. Therefore, it's difficult to stop that. With "we on reddit", I wasn't referring to you, but to reddit in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 11:05 PM
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Yes, I do think that we should worry about that. I do not think we should frame it as a feminist conspiracy. That's my view on it. Although, I must admit, it is a very difficult problem. I mean, we on reddit do it too, we love to rage at things, even if they aren't proven to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:53 PM
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So what do you want me to say? I said it already: I'm all for stopping injustice against unjustly accused, but I'm not worried that false accusations are becoming a large trend. That's what I said and that's what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:41 PM
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Fair enough, it's totally reasonable to let an entitled college girl paint your image of feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:33 PM
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The larger issues are bullshit to me, Well, feminism is all about the larger issues, so not a surprise you have a disconnect with them then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:28 PM
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Men's lives can be ruined by false rape accusations. But, you aren't worried about it. You misunderstand. Like I said in some other comment, I do think it's very wrong for lives to be ruined over false accusations, and I do think people who knowingly make these accusations deserve harsh sentence. When I say "I don't worry about it", I mean: "I don't think this is a large trend and a feminist conspiracy". Apologies if that wasn't clear. But after some thinking, I must say that you are right in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:27 PM
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you are saying that the numbers are low, and therefore it's acceptable. I never said it was acceptable, I said I don't worry about it. A man falsely accused of rape has his name dragged through the mud for all to see. He will usually spend time in jail. Citation needed. As for the rest, I'm citing the statistics as the FBI cited them. Sure, they may be a little higher, but the bottom line for me is: false rape accusations are very rare and looking at how few stories there actually are about dest…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:12 PM
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Whether what you say is true or not makes no difference to my situation. Yeah, well if we take individual situations, there are just as many women who have a right to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:04 PM
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Discrimination is real and deliberate and it is against men. As a larger trend? I don't really think so. In your sample of 15 people, possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:01 PM
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Sigh, what I mean is that there are so few false rape accusations and even (much fewer) of reported rape cases convicted, that I really wouldn't worry about walking away from the girl (as OP stated). I brought up the comparison with murder because you said "41 men a day are being falsely accused", like it's a large number. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:52 PM
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Fair enough, in your case, perhaps we should go the other way around. Like any policy, you can overdo it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:49 PM
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Correct. But murder also happens to only a few people and only matters if it happens to you or someone close to you. Yet we don't walk around all the time afraid of being murdered and we don't say society has a murder-epidemic. The injustices these men faced should be rectified, but it is not a huge problem in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:47 PM
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Where are the women facing the consequences of accusing 41 men a day in the US of rape that they didn't commit? They aren't really and in my opinion they absolutely should. If you knowingly make a false accusation, you deserve the same sentence that the accused would have gotten. We weren't discussing that, we were discussing if false rape accusations are a large trend and if a girl can ruin your life just by crying rape. I say no. I make the comparison to murder to prove that we are not dealing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:45 PM
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are routinely preferenced to women. And how do they perform? If it's on the same level as men, I see a 50/50 split as a good thing. Gender diversity brings benefits that go higher than individual performance to a company. Gender diverse teams come up with more creative solutions for example, because men and women think different/have different life experiences and thus there are more viewpoints when a problem is considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:42 PM
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Source? You just saying so doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:38 PM
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I see it on both sides. And men shame women for not being attractive/fat too. Like I said, there are a lot of shitty people around. It's not that feminists are man-shaming conspirators.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:38 PM
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your previous assertion that the conviction rate is 50%. Yes, I was mixing some stuff up, it's much lower. Where are the 41 women a day in the US being charged with false rape accusations? I suppose you meant men here? Well shitty people exist, so yeah, this happens. But it's not a large trend that threatens men, just like murder isn't trend that threatens everyone walking in the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:35 PM
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And other types of shaming are exclusively male. (slut shaming for example). Shitty people shame each other and they use societies norms to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:32 PM
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I was talking about rape that is reported though. Simple fact that out of every 32 rapes recorded, ONLY 2 are convicted. And these 2 are most likely guilty too. So really, I don't think we men have much to fear from false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:32 PM
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That does make sense. Still, I really don't see any reason to believe that like half of the rapes are intentionally false accusations. I do think there exists a grey area where in the womans mind she clearly indicated that she wasn't okay with it, but the man thought she was okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:29 PM
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I'll say it once again, a few stories on the internet are not indicative of a larger trend. This one is from last may. If there are 2 per year, that amounts to pretty much nothing compared to the entire college population. Yes, these are missteps and the men are victims here, but I don't think it's a larger trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:28 PM
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Based on the five cases that are circling around on the internet for years? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:26 PM
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Meh, shitty people say shitty things to each other. If what you linked to is shaming, it really isn't women-exclusive, thus not really a "feminist" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:26 PM
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Fat acceptance is more about accepting women who are a little chubby though, even though there are a few movements that go for fully obese too. However, when did any of these people ever walk up to a man, and say "I want to have sex with you now and I am entitled to it". Spoiler alert: practically never, because no one takes that shit serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:24 PM
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That averages out to 41 men accused of rape a day, who were completely innocent. And there are around 44 murders a day in the US. But we wouldn't say being murdered is common. Of the reported rapes, around 1 in 16 will lead to a conviction (source: https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates) We can safely assume that a true rape is much, much more likely to get convicted than a false one. So yeah, men getting their lives ruined over false rape charges really doesn't happen ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:22 PM
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Not really. Some are to be sure, but a lot are also aimed at the way a lot of TRP'ers use these philosophy, according to the sub. And that ain't pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:11 PM
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According to the FBI, around 8%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:08 PM
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Again, one of the five stories that keep circling around the internet. Missteps like that do happen, but not too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:04 PM
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They (what I meant with women haters) don't hate sex really, but everything else about the women. That's not everyone on TRP, but a lot of these people do get to TRP and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:03 PM
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Feminists in particular have a whole vocabulary of shaming slurs which serve to insult people's worth And these words are? A direct implication of constantly circle jerking about your high SMV is a form of entitlement. Perhaps, but not really dangerous entitlement. Essentially harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:00 PM
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You're not even refuting the "women feel entitled to sex" point now. Everyone tries to raise their own value, but where do women as a whole try to lower the value of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:46 PM
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Like I said, it happens, but it's NOT very common. There are always the same five stories going around on the internet with this kind of thing. Yes, missteps in justice happen, no I'm not afraid for them because they aren't really happening often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:45 PM
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Read between the lines. You're just reading stuff that isn't there. "You should be able to have sex with who you want" This simply means that no woman should need to have sex if they don't want to. Ask any woman, not one of them will say that this means that they have the right to walk up to a man and demand sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:43 PM
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In practice, men must still be protector-providers, which includes being active in the work force and healthy fathers. Feminism doesn't say they have to be that. What they say if that they choose not be that, but the woman does it for example, society should keep their mouth shut and don't judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:41 PM
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Like I said, it happens, but I really don't think it happens often. If girls could do this without consequence, it would happen more often, wouldn't it? Enough crazy girls who have a score to settle with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:40 PM
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Is a team and their label really that important? I would be ashamed By that logic, we could just use feminism as the "being equal" ideology, because how important is the label really, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:30 PM
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'not wanting to have my life ultimately controlled by the financial and emotional interests of others' Thing is, your life will always be controlled by the financial and emotional interests of others. Before feminism, it was the quite strict gender roles that society had. I don't think feminism is too bad for us. There are a few extremes (and attacking a men's shelter is a despicable thing to do, for example), but in general I agree with a lot of feminist points, such as not caring for gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:29 PM
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women feel entitled to sex and affection I feel that is a strawman though. When did a feminist (a serious one, not Tumblr feminists, or an article by Valenti that is already heavily criticized on the site where she published it) say that women are entitled to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:27 PM
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I think that feminists are the most receptive for men's issues that also affect women. For example, they do campaign for men to be able to break their gender roles without judgment from society, something I fully support. Just like they support not judging women who desert their gender roles. But for male specific issues, like rape culture (false accusations), feminists (at least the extreme ones that we like to rage over) are biased in favor of women. Now, MRA's are just as biased too, just in …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:25 PM
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Employers usually don't take sides in cases of baseless accusations though. I will admit that there are cases where employers unfairly fire employees who are falsely accused, but these cases are very few. If all you needed to do was to cry rape to destroy a man's career, don't you think it would happen a bit more? I mean, there are enough women who are crazy and hate a man enough to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:21 PM
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Of course they aren't legally obliged to side with the girl. You made that up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:01 PM
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Yeah I saw it, was confused with something. Anyway that proves the point even more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:01 PM
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Like I said, If both the worker and the client are arrested it won't make a bit of difference for the men arrested. This isn't unfair. Nobody is hurt by this that wouldn't be hurt if we arrested bith parties. But there are people that are not hurt now and would be hurt if we arrested both parties. Its simple logic, decrease human suffering as much as possible. Note that I'm arguing from a position were outlawing is already a given. Whether or not prostitution should be illegal is another debate …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:47 PM
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It can, but it's not very common, but I think my family would trust me more than a random girl crying rape. If a girl could simply incriminate any men by crying rape, it would happen a lot more. There's enough crazy women around to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:15 PM
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Read this (and the sources listed if you don't trust it) https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates What I'm saying is that 50% of reported rapes don't lead to a conviction, and I don't think 50% of reported rapes are false accusations. So if a lot of true rapists don't get accused for lack of evidence, why should I be afraid? What evidence is there against me, except for her word?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:14 PM
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influences that decision processes is moreso political connections than the shape of your genitals. And politics is vastly men, so they would have more connections too. Both are about public sector selection processes. One of the fields where I know there is some affirmative action is academia, which is somewhat a public sector. Even so, I'm not claiming that women are always massively discriminated against, but that the idea that without any regulations/affirmative consent, the best person will…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:11 PM
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Stating the facts as they are. Despite what TRP would have you believe, people accused of rape are still innocent until proven guilty. Why do you think that over 50% of reported rapes never result in a conviction?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:05 PM
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Some echochambers will always ban views that go against their groupthink. Doesn't mean these views are widely held.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:01 PM
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What do you mean? In no way is reporting the same as getting me convicted. The OP didn't say "You have to pay her 5000 dollars, or be convicted of rape"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:00 PM
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Why would I need to be saved? Getting reported for rape doesn't mean that you are arrested or found guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:55 PM
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Like I said, I would walk away. Stop the sexual contact and walk away. That's it. I don't really feel threatened by her threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:51 PM
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There are female dominated employment routes, but if I saw a dude campaigning for reverse affirmative action in nursing or whateverthefuck I'd laugh Well, if you'd ask me, we would do the same for these professions, but in reverse. Men who do these professions are often taken less seriously by other people and that's a problem too. Businesses on average want to make money, whoever makes more money for them gets promoted. No, they'll promote who they thinks will make more money for them once they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:47 PM
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Just walk away of course. Contrary to popular belief, you won't get locked up immediately (although if you have a reputation as a bad boy, it won't help you). Yes there are a few outrage stories on the internet, but they are few and far inbetween.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:39 PM
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In what way does the Nordic model hurt men, that they wouldn't be hurt in if both sides (the worker and the client) would be criminalized? In what way does the Nordic model hurt women in a way that they wouldn't be if both sides were criminalized? Logically speaking, this is the model that, if outlawing prostitution is chosen, eliminates the most suffering. Shouldn't we be for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:30 PM
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So call yourself egalitarian. No, because like feminism has been partly hijacked by angry manhaters, the term egalitatian has been hijacked by angry men who really don't care about women. I don't really align myself with any of these terms, but I do acknowledge that a lot of the problems that feminism is about exist (and some from the mensrights too). Women should (and do) get promoted on merit. Women shouldn't get promoted as part of affirmative action. Idealistically sure. But that's not alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:27 PM
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Well look at the comments on an article from Jessica Valenti (she writes columns for the Guardian) then. More then half of them are calling her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:21 PM
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If after an investigation finds the woman was being forced to do this in some means, I'm OK with dropping charges on her. And that is the problem, the burden of proof that she wasn't in the prostitution by free will would lie on the women (or men if he was the sex worker). A smart pimp can make that very hard to prove, making escape even harder. Prostitution is outlawed in the Nordic countries to protect people from sexual slavery, it simply makes no sense, in the context of achieving that goal,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:19 PM
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You can't solve the problems of women without making a few men angry though. If (for example), women were to promoted less in favor of men (while they are of equal capability), and you'd rectify that, there would be relatively less men promoted. There would certainly be men who'd view that as an attack on men, but I'd say it's only fair. I think these "attacks on men" are vastly exaggerated. As a college-educated man in a fairly liberal country in Europe, I have yet to feel discriminated against…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:15 PM
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I really think that this "oppress males feminism" is way smaller than TRP, or sometimes reddit thinks. Even though the radical feminist activists get a lot of pageviews, very few people agree with them. Today, there was an article on MGTOW where a "feminist" wrote how men should have curfews. However, in the comment section for that article, there was almost no one agreeing with her. Even on their own sites (except tumblr, but that's an echochamber really), these kind of people aren't really tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 05:16 PM
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I don't think anyone says that men are inherently thrustworthy, not even TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 04:16 PM
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Who cares? If I walk through the city I'm seeing plenty of underwear ads with some famous man too. We aren't shocked at that are we? Yet they're showing as much skin as this woman (everything but the genitals). This is someone's wife (Alessandra Ambrosio): Why do you start with saying "this is someones wife", and only then and between brackets her name? Is the most important part of who she is on that cover that she is someones wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 02:15 PM
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No it isn't. In the context of prostitution, when are men the victims? When we are talking prostitution laws, men don't need protection. (Assuming we are talking female prostitutes, I don't see why this law would't apply if the male was prostituting).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:24 AM
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Yes you make good points. And I think legalizing isn't bad idea. I am arguing against OP, who thinks that the nordic model is some kind of conspiracy against men. I'm arguing that if you choose to outlaw prostitution with the goal to protect women, the Nordic model is best for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:17 AM
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Its different because we need shoes to protect our feet duh. We don't need prostitution. You wanna orgasm that bad? Just wank it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:08 AM
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No because that obviously is ridiculously impractical. Shoes really arent comparable to prostitution. But I do think there are merits to legalizing prostitution. Its just that complaining that the Nordic model is somehow oppressing men is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:00 AM
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Like I said, we don't need shoes made by children. Outlaw it if you ask me. And if we outlaw it, we don't punish the child who makes the shoes. We punish the company who pays the children to make them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:47 AM
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Yeah, okay. I'm not talking about teenagers here, I'm talking much younger children. And I'm just saying that they are likely the most attached (bonded) with the parent they spend the most time with. Is that a very novel idea or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:42 AM
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TRP is using the glasses and is of the opinion that these 'common sense' things are just discrete demonstrations of a bigger picture, which can't be seen without the glasses. And the rest of the world say that they are wrong in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:30 AM
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So are you saying in cases of female clients seeking male prostitutes, the laws would be different? Absolutely. The one who pays is the client. You can say that about almost any kind of job that anyone has. That doesn't mean we outlaw them all. Sex slavery is very different from being forced to go into accounting or whatever. Well one could argue that by being one, they are creating a supply which feeds addictions, and can lead to ruined lives, similar to drug dealers. You could, but I think the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:23 AM
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Anytime something like "don't get stuck on this one girl for years!" hits the frontpage of reddit, there is a post on TRP saying "Reddit sees TRP truths". But that's really not true. TRP simply claims to know the truth on some things that are really common sense and uses that to legitimize their other ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:20 AM
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a bill focused on repealing the 'yes means yes' legislation would be considered red pill No, it would be considered common sense. Something that is anti-feminism isn't automatically TRP. If all men started lifting, they wouldn't all be doing something TRP, since lifting isn't really something TRP has invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:15 AM
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You're missing a very important point here. Prostitution isn't illegal because we want to prevent the transaction (sex) on an ideological level or something, it's illegal to protect women. That's it. With that goal, it simply makes no sense to criminalize the prostitutes, it doesn't help in attaining the goal of the law at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:10 AM
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Well, to a degree. It's not that they love their children less, it's that the more time you spend with a child, the more of a bond, or attachment, there is between you two. That's why in a divorce, the children often go to the mom (especially when they are young), because she usually spends the most time with them. That's not in the interest of the mom, but in the interest of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:06 AM
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If they're just venting, who gives a fuck? Well, luckily TRP'ers will never have any real power in society, so I really don't give that many fucks. I just enjoy debating, so I point it out. I mean, a lot of the feminist outrage porn isn't working towards unjust public policy changes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:03 AM
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But you miss the point of the law that forbids prostitution. It's to protect the women. And they are best protected if being a prostitute itself isn't a crime, because they are not hurting anyone by being one. So you seem to be okay with trowing people in prison when they haven't done anything wrong? But they have done something wrong, they visited a prostitute who may not be there because of her own free will. That's what they did wrong. And it's really hard for the men to verify if the prostit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:01 AM
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Well in that case the crazy feminists also don't literally mean what they write, they simply had a bad time with men. Can't hold them responsible now, can we? Except yes we can. And so can we hold TRP'ers who spew shit responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:53 PM
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Well, venting about how you think women are beneath you, evil, lying and manipulating as a whole does classify as women-hating in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:39 PM
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That's not even an argument for outlawing all prostitution, let alone a good one like you said. I think it's a fine one. However, even so, if you outlaw prostitution with the aim of protecting women, the Nordic model is the best way to do it. Please explain who is suffering from this law. The men who knowingly decide to go to a prostitute despite them knowing it's illegal? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:36 PM
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It makes sense that all the women-haters come together on TRP. But that does not make TRP less bad or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:28 PM
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Like what? Like the easiest way to make sure you abolish harmful prostitution is the outlaw all prostitution. And so by extension, do you think that all shoes should be illegal to buy, Of course not. Only the ones made by slave children. I know you are gonna say "but then only going to illegal prostitutes should be illegal", but there is a big difference. We need shoes in our society, we don't need prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:24 PM
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Because TRP is all from the viewpoint of men. Creating a single mom is the best option for them because then they don't need to have anything to do with it. Once she has the child however, she often takes up some child support of welfare, so suddenly the single mom is the enemy of the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:18 PM
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He didn't say dedicated, he said "attached". It's often the choice of the man to go work and let his wife be the stay at home mom. Is it really that weird that the parent who spends more time with the kids is more attached to them? You are constantly changing words and sentences, just so that you can say people support "evil feminism"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:15 PM
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Like /u/questioningwoman said, we should criticize both. Just because I'm against TRP doesn't mean I stand for feminism all the time. There is a lot of idiotic feminism going on and we should absolutely criticize it. But when I compare the subs /r/feminism and /r/theredpill , one has a lot of hate on women, but the other has very few hate on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:12 PM
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What is so hard about going after those guys instead of just outlawing prostitution altogether if that's the only problem people have? Well that is a good argument for legal regulated prostitution. Some European countries do that too. But if you decide to outlaw it, which also has good arguments going for it, the Nordic Model is the best way to do it. On the China thing: buying shoes made by slave children isn't illegal, but I'm all for making it so. And if the consumer could see which ones are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:07 PM
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The hell are you even talking about now? You literally made something else entirely from a sentence, that's it. Where does it say that men are bad parents? I think that is just your inner feminist-hater talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:58 PM
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But if she works for a pimp, then she funds the pimp Well, being a pimp is still illegal as far as I know. It's just the women who aren't criminals. So would women if the legal system didn't coddle them. I'll say it once more: No men is forced into going to a prostitute, some women are forced into being one. Criminalizing women WILL make the problem bigger, because getting out of the prostitution will become much harder. The woman becomes a part of that market when she whores herself. If I start…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:56 PM
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two wrongs don't make a right. But it does create hypocrites. And because TRP is much smaller, it is easier to get an accurate picture of the average TRP'er. Now most aren't as extreme as OP here, but a lot go far in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:52 PM
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Well, there's your problem then. There is a huge difference. If I say "Jesus was a better person than Nelson Mandela", am I saying that Mandela was a bad person? Of course not. Reading comprehension, it's easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:51 PM
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Saying that men don't feel an attachment to their child is as hostile as anything a feminist has ever said. That wasn't said, he just said that women, on average, are MORE attached to their children. Women spend on average more time with their children so it does make sense. That's why feminism says "It's okay for the men to be the stay at home parent and for the woman to make the money." But TRP wouldn't want to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:49 PM
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Only he made the money. In marriage there is generally an agreement "I make the money, you do the housework". Both man and woman worked throughout their marriage, but the man made the money. Still, a 50/50 split would be fair here because they both did equal work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:47 PM
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Curiously enough, TRP does let their view on feminism be heavily influenced by the few extremes. But when someone does the same for TRP they are quick to say that these people don't represent true TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:43 PM
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A women who goes into prostitution on her own free will does not facilitate other women being forced into it. Where do you get idea? If anything they'll decrease the need for women being forced into prostitution, because they take over demand (which is a good argument for legalizing it by the way). Men who want innocent sex get charged with crime. The men know it's a crime, it's not like they are the innocent ones here. There is just no way it makes sense to criminalize the women here. Outlawing…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:38 PM
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My answer from somewhere else in the thread: Prostitution was made illegal to protect women, not to protect men. You can debate if it should be made illegal, but there is a very good case for it. A woman who does prostitution can never be creating victims. Her clients are not the ones who are protected by outlawing prostitution. Thus, she isn't seen as committing a crime, because she isn't doing anything that goes against protecting women (the aim of outlawing prostitution). A men who goes to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:30 PM
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Prostitution was made illegal to protect women, not to protect men. You can debate if it should be made illegal, but there is a very good case for it. A woman who does prostitution can never be creating victims. Her clients are not the ones who are protected by outlawing prostitution. Thus, she isn't seen as committing a crime, because she isn't doing anything that goes against protecting women (the aim of outlawing prostitution). A men who goes to a prostitute may be actually facilitating women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 10:28 PM
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No, it isn't a crime to prostitute. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 09:04 PM
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You do know that there are a lot of women who are somewhat forced to go into the prostitution? Be it pressure from abusive men, be it literal sex trade, or dire financial circumstances. There are plenty of situations where the woman didn't really have a choice. Now, there is never a situation in which the man felt like he had no choice but to visit a prostitute. If you choose to make prostitution illegal, it makes sense to go after the clients, they make prostitution possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 08:30 PM
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Gotta get them heavy frying pans though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:52 PM
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Like I said, they talk shit on overly beefy dudes who make being beefy their entire persona. You for example said you're also a good cook (good choice by the way, I love cooking too). That means you've got other things to offer too. I mean, I don't like girls who make having big boobs their entire persona too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:48 PM
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So what's the point? First you say women shit on beefy men all the time and now you say they like it? Make up your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:38 PM
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Oh, but you'll resent him for "putting you on a pedestal" and being "needy". See. Women are never happy. And here, ladies and gentlemen, we see a classic strawman in its natural habitat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:37 PM
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once you pass a certain beefy threshold There you have it. Most women are not attracted to guys with muscles so big they can't scratch their ears. Going to the gym isn't only lifting, it's running on the treadmill as well. Being fit and reasonable muscled isn't the same thing as beefed the fuck up. I mean, if you want that go ahead, but women do complain about what they don't find attractive. Just like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:22 PM
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Women talk shit on beefy dudes who make being beefy their entire self and still expect to attract women with it. When have you even heard a woman say "ewww that guy is lean and reasonable muscled, I wish he wasn't".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:09 PM
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No woman seriously criticizes "go to the gym", or "work on your confidence". It's the thinking women are beneath them attitude on TRP and PUA that women criticize.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 12:50 PM
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Very interesting read, thanks. I'll sleep a night my response
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 12:29 AM
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Attraction is the only thing that matters. It is not entirely about looks but in stranger situations it's mostly about looks. Also other surface-level things like body language, voice, the way people handle themselves with others etc. You basically said it. Attraction is all that matters, but there is more (much more) to attraction than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 12:00 AM
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Girls hate the idea that some random guy wants to have sex with them. Keyword being "random" here. First, make sure you are not a random guy. Then telling you you're attracted to her won't be the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:37 PM
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What I personally believe and is true in my experience is that to get the respect of a woman (or anyone actually, but we are talking about women now), you don't have to look like a male model. You do have to show them you respect yourself. You do that by taking care of yourself. Exercise, make sure your hair looks good etcetera. Maybe even more important, find something you like and become passionate about it. I picked up piano playing a few years ago and I've become quite good at it. You know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:50 PM
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Fair enough, you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:09 PM
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Being nice isnt paying for her drinks. Its being a decent human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:00 PM
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Ah well good luck in your relationships then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:36 PM
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People being nice to each other destroys a relationship? I think you've got some weird ideas going on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:29 PM
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Men being called idiots No, the comment says "IF we follow that TRP theory, THEN, men are also idiots". Not liking that a guy wants sex from a girl who stays over. TBP disagrees on the way this guy handles his relationship. Where do they say anything remotely like "men are evil"? Saying pickup artists treat women poorly No, he says that first he treated women like pickup artist, and when that didn't work THEN he started treating them poorly. Nowhere does this say that pickup artists treat women …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:48 PM
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100% agreed. In addition, as a man you can improve your physical attractiveness a lot by exercising, having good hygiene and taking care of your hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:50 PM
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Where in BP do they antagonize men? Show me some then
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:49 PM
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That sounds more like insecurity from the man than the woman actually doing dread game to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:33 PM
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However, I'd wager most men do NOT want to be the guy the "grew" on her. He wants to be the guy she immediately got hot for. I think most guys are fine with "growing on her". Almost no guy is the perfect 10/10 or even a 9/10. But you can grow to a 10/10 for your SO, and that's in the end what matters. You'll never get to a 10/10 if you start as a 3/10, but you can if you start as a 7/10. I think most guys would like to be the guy she's immediately somewhat interested in, but I don't think they f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:27 PM
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Well it is true to a degree. Look around, there are ugly dudes in relationships, mostly because they have money, status, or really really great social skills. It's far harder for an ugly woman to get a relationship I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:21 PM
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Ah glad to agree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 04:19 PM
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Look it sucks for that dude that he had a bad experience with a woman. Hating all women because of that doesn't make him any less dumb. And a lot of TRP posts are so absurd and disconnected with reality that I can get a good laugh by seeing them satarized in TBP. And calling them rapists usually happens when TRP does iy first. For example the post a well known TRP'er made literally saying "I know my friend is a rapist, but hey I don't judge him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:57 PM
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Well everybody has better options than an unhappy relationship: not having a relationship. But you overestimate how easy can get in a new relationship. Casual sex sure, but a relationship is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:52 PM
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What's that got to do with my point? There are other subs like TiA for pointing out ridiculous Cosmo-like articles. You said something about the sidebar and TBP, but now you're starting to talk about a completely different subject. Those dudes will lash out, exaggerate, whatever. Doesn't make them right or not worthy of ridiculing if they start spewing shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:35 PM
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If you were happy with her, then why did you think you needed TRP?
/r/askTRP08/01/16 03:26 PM
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Depends on who you ask. If you ask me I'd say no. But many TRP'ers (and I believe the official terminology on PPD) simply describe TBP as "someone who disagrees with TRP". That's why you can say "TRP says X", but not "TBP says X". How else would you define TBP? Looking the sub TBP is pretty meaningless, since that is mostly satire and people not being serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:23 PM
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The sidebar on TBP starts with saying that they are a satire of TRP and the rest is just non-serious satire stuff. Promoting a male-centric view the way TRP does is just as wrong as promoting a female centric view the way SJW's do. You don't have to put the other gender down to empower your own. Pretty much nobody on TBP ever disagrees with the common sense advice on TRP (self improvement, having confidence, don't spend years chasing one girl), but they make fun of the "females are so illogical,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:20 PM
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Yes, although if you want a good long term relationship, being an asshole is not recommended.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:05 PM
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No, everyone on TBP thinks that certain parts of TRP are wrong, so they make fun of that. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:34 PM
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Or just normal people. The world isn't divided between TRP, religious people and tumblrinas.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:33 PM
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Not really. TBP is simple everyone who disagrees with TRP. Tumblr feminists are a very small section of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 01:50 PM
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You'd be surprised. Looks matter, but personality matters a lot too. Well, not if you only want one night stands, but for longer relationships it does. And while personality doesn't change your looks, it can change how attracted people are to you. It can debated if does change your physical attraction, that depends on how you define that. I am definitely more attracted to a photograph of my girlfriend than a picture of a random girl that would be equally attractive to a stranger. But had you sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:26 PM
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Yes they can, but I don't think that will result in a healthy relationship. Any self-respecting man will leave a woman who threatens to leave him if something doesn't go her way. This goes the other way around too by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:14 PM
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The halo effect works the most on first impressions. Once people start interacting with you, they'll get a better image of you personality. Sure, the halo effect will still be there but much less. And if you are a 6/10, and people start interacting with you and see a 10/10 personality, the halo effect will work the other way around and make people see you as more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:11 PM
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female reporter who herself flirted with someone else in the recent past. Apparently that was someone else and not the reporter in question. Anyway, this guy was just stupid and unprofessional. Don't want to get fined, don't be unprofessional.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:49 AM
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non-existent idea of 'personality' That's just stupid. Of course personality has a good part in attraction. But you must have good enough looks first to get attention in the first place. But I think that a 7/10 in looks can easily beat out a 9/10 if the 9/10 has a very shitty personality and the 7/10 is a good talker, has great humor etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:39 AM
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A long analysis isn't even necessary. For most people the following is true: Being nice is a good quality, but if it's the only quality you have, don't expect to have good chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:51 AM
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TBP antagonizes no one. Tumblr feminists =! BP
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:53 AM
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You think so? I'm not seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:21 PM
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Neh, in your world the men should pay for half of the abortion too. But of course that wouldn't happen. Still, I think you underestimate how much 400 is for poor people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:46 PM
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I heard uninstalling system 32 helps
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:44 PM
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Just fine thank you. I was just crying myself to sleep because Chad gets all the women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:39 PM
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Good to see you Ben
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:36 PM
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About 400 dollars according to google. Of course if you have good insurance they can cover it. But the poorest group of people (where the most single moms are) usually can't afford that. A few days ago there was this news article about how most Americans are just 500 dollars away from financial ruin. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:17 PM
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You realize that the most single moms are poor and really can't pay for that? In your world they would be forced to keep the child. Then no man should complain about paying child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:50 PM
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That being said, it's also not fair that a woman can essentially hold a man's finances hostage for 18+ years without having to consider his wishes at all. If she was willing to have sex, she should have been willing to raise a child as well. It is not fair. But considering that when the man and woman disagree on keeping the child there will always be a side who decides and it will always be unfair to one side. And because the woman bears the child, we give her the choice. I think it's fairer tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:45 PM
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Well if you watch porn, buy a fleshlight and suspend disbelief you could also pretend this. Doesn't make it real.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:35 PM
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Well I meant anonymous as in nobody except the doctors/personnel in the clinic knows without your permission. And even with the clinics in place, there are severe social and financial hurdles for the group of people that would need abortions the most. guess I've always figured if you're too embarrassed to walk into a clinic, maybe you aren't mature enough for sex. The poor sex ed in the US greatly increases this problem. Some young kids are taught to be embarrased for sex, but of course teens do…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:27 PM
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Poor but working folks who don't get federal coverage and can't afford employer healthcare. And that's where the most single moms come from. And yes, you can probably search for the clinic, but it is not by far as easy as it should be and in certain American circles the social stigma is very large. Abortion is not an option for a large number of women, and often not by their own choice. Men do complain about their reproductive rights, but until the US makes sure that all women can get safe, free…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:58 PM
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When you pay, you know it's not real. Men aren't stupid, they know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:56 PM
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Because abortion isn't really accessible or socially acceptable for a lot of women. Especially for poor women, or religious women, and they get the most unwanted pregnancies. I feel that the US can talk again about unfair child support and women keeping their child when abortion is freely available for everyone and when people aren't outcasted from their families for aborting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:44 PM
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Hm fair enough. I think I understood wrong then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:41 PM
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Not so much for women who dumped their man because of "boredom". I think in the single mom cases there are a lot more cases where the man wanted nothing to do with the child and left, than cases where the mom dumped the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:31 PM
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It's senseless to try to define when "the wall" this. People have huge individual differences. There's no such things as the average person. Thus trying to set a "wall age" is meaningless. In general, people get older and usually less attractive when they get past 25 or so. But the rate and how much varies greatly per person. It doesn't make sense to try to determine a "post wall age".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:29 PM
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Depends, I think you can be just as alpha if you don't want sex without further attachment (and thus validation). The idea that to be alpha a man should want "just sex" is wrong in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:27 PM
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I'll rephrase. You say it's a problem that men are after more than just sex. And you'll somehow link the "doesn't care about being wanted by women" to an alpha. But that's not an alpha trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 04:55 PM
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The thing is that you misinterpret what a lot of men really want. They don't want just sex, you just fire up some porn and wank it for that. They want to be loved, and you simply won't find that with a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 04:32 PM
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I'm sorry for your situation, but I really don't think it was the norm. Shitty people existed at any time and some hated the other gender. But for most people, this didn't really matter. Creep shaming was/is a thing yeah, but so was/is shaming/ignoring women because they didn't conform to very strict societal standards of what a women should look like and what she should do. The genders weren't equal and still aren't and it is important to remember that people from both genders feel that. You ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 01:02 PM
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Really? First I've heard of this. I highly doubt anyone in the 80s would say ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS - THAT MEANS YOU! YOUR PENIS MAKES YOU A SUBHUMAN RAPEMONSTER! KILL YOURSELF! and be taken seriously. You are really overreacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:46 PM
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Evolutionary speaking it makes sense. For a woman to raise her child she wants the man to stay with her and help to take care of the child. Him having sex with another woman and getting back to her at once doesn't matter as much as him actually spending the night and taking care of the other woman. For men, it's the other way around. You'd care for your woman sleeping around because then a child she may get may not be yours. Women don't have this uncertainty. Disclaimer: I'm talking in enourmous…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:43 PM
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And she was suspended over it. There was also a legal shitstorm about the other diversity officer that tweeted killallmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:48 AM
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Im living in Europe as a male. Europe is fairly more liberal than the US. I've never heard even one person unironically saying anythig near killallmen or all men are guilty. Only on the internet where people search for that stuff to rage over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:56 AM
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Ask a woman on the street then0
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:44 AM
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Then how come way more than 20% of college age men had more then one bed partner in their lives (think 60% or more)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:07 AM
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Meh, a few pictures without a source don't prove anything. Show me a research where 90% of women said they don't think their partner is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:03 AM
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Just because they are more selective doesnt mean they find their partner unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:26 PM
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I know the halo effect exists in real life. Its logical. Point is that it can also work the other way around. And if instead of profile text there was a voice clip available, I think that would already have a greater effect on the rating of the picture. Anyway, the point is that you cannot deduct from the okcupid experiment that the majority of women don't find their partners attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:15 PM
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Yes, you must meet a basic standard. But once that's met the other things do matter a lot and can also improve physical attraction. The OKcupid test isn't really relevant because its simply based on pictures of men the women had never seen before. Profile text of someone you don't know will obviously have no effect on how attractive you perceive their picture. It isn't comparable with talking to people or living together for a longer time. If a women really likes a man ... depend on him ... she …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:48 PM
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Oh hi Benn. Hows Chad doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:40 PM
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Point is that physical attraction may change if you find out the other nice things about the person. The halo effect works the other way around too. If a woman really likes a man, can depend on him etc, he'll become more physically attractive in her eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:27 PM
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Thats attraction based on a picture of a man you're seeing for the first time. Attraction changes as you spend time with a person. I highly doubt 80% of women think their partner is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:21 PM
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Where do you get that it's rare that women find their husband physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:02 PM
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I was talking physical attraction, I should have clarified. Anyway, the point is that TRP, in my opinion, neglects to acknowlegde that a large part of attraction between two lovers is the bond they built through companionship, which women less hypergamous, because their man is in their mind already the best they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:43 PM
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The 5/10 man can compensate with non-physical traits though. Having a good job, great humor, and a positive attitude can do hell of a lot. And once he's dating the non-physical attraction can build further. And yes, these things happen often enough. By the way I didn't say he had a 7/10 woman. I just said he might be more attractive for his woman than a 7/10 man due to non-pysical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:28 PM
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Redpillers would encourage that a man always be on the lookout for red flags that his partner is growing distant, losing respect and attraction, and prone to cheat or 'trade up' soon i.e. hypergamous. The difference, in my opinion, is that TRP tries so hard to see red flags, that they see red flags in everything. Sure, certain things ARE red flags and you should be wary of them. But your wife not wanting sex for a week and her having a conversation with an attractive male coworker isn't one of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 08:26 PM
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I didn't say that because I thought that would be clear. But I'll spell it out for you: "nor would I fuck a supermodel if she opened her legs for me no questions asked". And I can see the attraction in supermodels, but I don't find them more attractive than my girlfriend. On a purely physical scale perhaps, but attraction is a lot more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 04:55 PM
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But that's not true. Except for your anecdotal assumptions, there really isn't any proof that women don't know where they stand. I'd argue that they do know where they stand: namely that they are being judged, harshly, on their looks. And thus they are quite insecure about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:53 PM
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And I know a lot of girls that are aware that they are judged on their looks and are very insecure for it. Your anecdotal evidence vs mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:36 PM
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Exactly right. When you "need" to apply the dread game in your relationship, there probably wasn't much to begin with. They don't have sex, maybe they don't talk much anymore, maybe she doesn't do nice little things. It's funny that TRP almost never advices the guy to maybe look at if he initiates talking, or nice things for his wife. No, dread game must be the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:34 PM
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Which is fine. But playing the dread game because she doesn't give you sex whenever you want it (and there are TRP'ers who do that) doesn't help one bit. Nor does "holding frame" when you were obviously wrong. This may not be an official RP truth, but it is the takeaway that a lot of RP'ers get from TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:30 PM
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It's not due to "society's expectations and norms" It is though. You said it, girls and boys are different. For a girl a lot more value is being placed on being attractive. That means that for ugly girls, it's really hard to get validation, no matter how hard they work. It isn't easy for ugly guys either, but guys can get validation easier by achieving things. And that does matter. Look, attractive girls may have it easier than attractive guys/have a higher self esteem. But for average guys and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:28 PM
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Attentionwhoring is a thing. But I don't think it is the norm for women. But you just confirm the point that due to societal expectations and norms, women have lower self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:59 PM
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Yes, when you make your woman feel like you only care about her when she gives you sex, that's a great way to make her feel isolated and actually get her to cheat. Which leads to "I applied RP and my LTR cheated, AWALT" posts. To which the advice is to apply more TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:53 PM
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Yeah, so you are one of the guys that can handle it. Which is cool. But since there are so many who can't I think TRP is very bad. We'd be better of without TRP. Guys like you would find their self improvement elsewhere and the guys who just want to direct their "can't get women hate" somewhere don't have TRP as an outlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:38 PM
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Then why do women indicate they have lower self-esteem? Are they all lying about this? Visit some forums, especially for teenage/twenty-something girls. A lot are really insecure, especially about their looks. Although they may get validation from other girls with their online pics, their are also way more expectations for their looks. And how often are all these "you so beautiful" comments on facebook sincere? They are standard comments, and girls can read social cues too and see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:36 PM
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politically incorrect communication. A lot of the time just incorrect information. Some guys can handle it, I'm sure, but there are also a lot of guys that become completely convinced of the bullshit that TRP sprouts. You can have a "rude awakening" without the negativity from TRP. And some of the most well known contributors openly admit to hating women. (I believe one of the top contributors founded the subreddit "femalehate"). When these are your role models, the TRP sub will breed hate where…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:24 PM
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I have a very hard time believing that male privilege never worked itself into that. Nope. First time I heard the term was here on reddit on TiA. And we were told "we are better in 2015 than 1915 because women have the right to vote." Which I can agree with. You're reading way too much into it. Nobody ever told me that being a man is part of a problem and none of the other man I know were taught that in school. Which amounts to a lot of what I said. How's that? How does this relate to "men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 01:51 PM
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I don't think so. I've never met any man in real life who was actually taught that. And I live in Europe, which is quite liberal too. In real life, angry Tumblr feminists really don't have that much influence. What I was taught is that it's wrong to judge a person on their gender. That was pretty much all. And in history class we learned about 1st and 2nd wave feminism and their relation to the political climate of that time. Which is just that, history.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 01:40 PM
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Western women seem to be the most validated persons in this world I think there's more to that then meets the eye. There is a lot of pressure on western women to be a certain type of woman too and that can lead to a lot of insecurity about yourself. What you want to say is "attractive western women seem to be the most validated women in the world", which even then might not always be true. Besides, in our culture, validation for women is still more aimed at their appearance, while for men it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 01:37 PM
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I don't think most people (Although the most vocal feminists tend to be the minority who's most disconnected with the real world), would deny that people always try to find the best partner possible. What they do deny is that even in a good relationship, people will constantly look to update their partner to a better one. For most people in a happy relationship, they don't constantly look around for a better partner. What TRP also doesn't acknowlegde is that a 5/10 man who's been in a good relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 01:29 PM
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I think that most "nice guys" who think of themselves as ugly can do a hell of lot to improve their appearance too. It's the boring part that gets them. Take a look on /r/foreveralone , you'll see all men complaining that women don't want them for their looks. But when you think about it, even if they had good looks, what would they offer to a woman besides that? She can sit in the room while he plays video games?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:06 AM
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Yes, I'm thinking the same. But for men who just want a quick fuck I can see how they'd want to sleep with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:04 AM
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After all, you're not the one having to incubate and whelp the runts. But you are the one paying child support if she gets a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 11:02 AM
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Unfortunately words mean what society makes them mean. Society has given white knight a bad meaning. Officially it might not be true, but that doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 09:48 AM
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True. But there are A LOT of other places besides TRP that offer that advice. And these places come with "RP truths", but without the toxic attitude of 80% of TRP users
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 09:10 AM
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Posts that start with "We all know women lack any form of self-awareness" and continue to argue how AWALT uses dead loved ones for personal selfish gain really can't be interpreted wrong. They're toxic. And that post was on the top of the TRP frontpage, meaning that a vast majority of the voters believed it was good content for TRP. You can get the same dating advice that is just as effective without the toxic shit on other places
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 09:08 AM
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Because we as a society have quite a stigma for sexual harassment. There is a huge different between teens trashtalking each other and an older man feeling up a young girl. I do not want to lump these two in the same group, I believe that will do a lot of harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:24 PM
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I strongly disagree. Teens talk sexual shit among each other all the time. Written up for bullying? Fine. Sexual harassment? Gimme a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:14 PM
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Fair enough. Still, I don't judge TRP on what the core tenets are supposed to be. I judge TRP on what I see on the sub every day (as far as I'm aware on of the biggest RP clubs on the internet). And there is a lot of bullshit there. Maybe it's not pure RP, but these people do talk in the name of RP. By the same metric, TRP could not critize feminism, because the core tenet of feminism is simply "equal rights for both genders". But of course, feminists make up a lot of other (sometimes harmful) s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:11 PM
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Your comparison with feminists isn't really valid, since there are way more feminists and they actually disagree among one another quite a bit. But the groups saying "kill all men" are the scum of the Earth indeed. An entire post! One! That isn't the only post, just the most extreme one that I have in recent memory. And I am judging TRP by that post because it got to the top of the frontpage of TRP, meaning that A LOT of TRP'ers agreed enough with the post to upvote it. Stereotypes are such for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:09 PM
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You just said so: For me, the only judgement I have is on the results I can create. Nothing. Else. Matters. At. Fucking. All. Did I interpret you wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:04 PM
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Thats not all, there is a lot of RP I agree with (the self improvement). But this topic does come up a lot on TRP and I very much disagree with it, so I discuss it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:18 PM
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And I believe thats wrong. If every white man did only what benefited him, we would still have slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 06:49 PM
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Thing is, nobody disagrees with most core RP tenets. Lifting, being confident and working on yourself is great advice. What TBP does disagree with are the way these core tenets are used every day on TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 06:48 PM
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It doesnt matter what TRP tenets say. We judge an ideology on how its members use it. TRP judges feminism that way and I judge TRP that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:32 PM
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Well then why I am not seeing it on TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:13 PM
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I'm not cherry picking. I've never seen anyone on TRP challenging any negative assumption about a womens behaviour. If I wanted upvotes on TRP I could simply dream up a story about a women who did a bitchy thing, comment it under a relevant post, claim AWALT and revel in upvotes. Any story that meets with established TRP beliefs in accepted with zero critical thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:48 PM
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Show me then. There is debate, but never on the "women are irrational and devoid of interesting personality" type of posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:26 PM
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Psychology is a scientific field, is constantly tested and theories are dismissed/disproved all the time. Furthermore, experiments are done as objectively as possible and are often still questioned. TRP does not question their own theories and their methods are simply selective observations. Big difference. And yeah sorry about the men/man thing. I know the difference, but I don't always remember to apply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:09 PM
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Well thats what feminism tries to stop right? But where does hire more women factor in?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:40 PM
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Most people don't fully know who they are, but others don't usually know it better. But you bet your ass most women (and people) do have a good clue who they are. Almost every day, there is an highly upvoted post on TRP that says "women have no true hobbies/hobbies they have are simply to gain male attention". Ask any women, and see that they have just as much hobbies as men. Ask them why they do it and they'll say "because I enjoy it". But TRP somehow knows better? I could easily say that I und…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:33 PM
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Well how do they see it? This is the explanation I usually see.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:28 PM
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To be fair, that's probably an outlier too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:58 PM
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(Disclaimer: not my views, but how feminism sees it) Gender is a social construct, but sex is biological. So you can hire someone based on their sex (has a vagina = female sex), but not on their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:57 PM
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You see what you want to see. Devout Christians see everything that happens around them as proof that God exist. ISIS sees everything that happens as proof that Allah guides them. The true, hardcore red pillers don't hate women. They just understand them. That must be why almost every women who comes across TRP disagrees with all these things. They just don't understand themselves as well as TRP'ers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:56 PM
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Yeah, you met one girl like that. They exist. You know that there exist men who dedicate their entire lives to animegirls/waifus? It's just silly that based on these extremes, you conclude AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:44 PM
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Exactly, people aren't always rational. But like you point out, that effect isn't unique to women, men engage in fanboyish behaviour just as much, just on different topic. Plenty of men on reddit that worship some celebs like crazy. And all these fawning people are just that. Some fawning people. Not the majority. But the normal majority doesn't come to your attention, because they don't really do stuff that makes you notice them. And, more importantly, just because someone fawns over a celeb on…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:29 PM
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You probably mistook friendly conversation for flirting. Some people are playful in their default conversation mode, doesn't mean they're flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:18 PM
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A lot of women fit into the idea that RP puts forward, just in slightly different ways to each other. Not really. TRP often puts the ideas forward that women are all mindless social media addicted attention junkies who have no real hobbies or capacity for rational thought. They will use anything for their own gain or to get attention, even the deaths of relatives (there was literally an entire post on this! And it got the frontpage of TRP too). These are women stereotypes, but in no way does tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 01:34 PM
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Hey, I would say it definitely doesn't help you to try and fit yourself into little male or females cubicles. A lot of feminists argue that everyone should be able to be themselves, like you are, but sadly thats not how the world works. People bond over common stuff, so bonding with people you have little in common with is hard. Maybe join a hobby group for whatever you like to do? You can talk to people and make friends without gendered stuff if you truly have a passion for something. Anyway th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:54 AM
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People are dumb. You know how many likes stupid stuff gets all the time on Facebook? People just see a cute 6yo boy, click like without a second thought and immediately forget about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 07:17 AM
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Yeah to a degree that's fair. If there are unfair consequences to actions, perhaps we should think about that for once. Its wrong that pornstars are being shamed or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 08:42 PM
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The forth isn't really related Which is exactly why's OP's point totally fails. He says that the fourth is related and tries to use it to justify slut shaming. It isn't related at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 03:33 PM
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Depends. Once you pass a certain treshold, being more attractive will give you diminishing returns, because people start looking for other things in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:59 PM
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I'm not drawing similarities with smoking, you must have read my posts wrong. In one of my posts I was saying that the first two examples of OP are to blame on the person doing it, aka 100% personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:55 PM
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