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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:43 PM
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But that’s the thing, it’s not going to make my life perfect and I am aware of it. Maybe something else will come up, but nothing has been long standing in my mind as wanting to be physically attractive and getting casual sex. Absolutely nothing, and I have done a lot to get to it, and I still failed. This isn’t some thing I just decided I wanted 6 months ago, this is something I have wanted for years and I just wasn’t good enough to be considered “hookup material”. I’ve tried therapy, I’ve trie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:37 PM
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And how do we know I wouldnt be happy or fulfilled if I could have it? I know it won’t make my life perfect, but it will fix an issue in my life that happens to be very big and takes up 80% of my internal thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:07 PM
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Well, it’s not like we are gonna be able to find out. But how do you even know? You assume you know how I’ll react without ever even knowing me or you think you know what’s best for me. Your example of me thinking life is meaningless after I get casual sex is ironic because I feel my life is meaningless if I can’t get be attractive and get casual sex Let me ask you, do you also want things in your life? Does wanting something make you “ungrateful”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 10:34 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 10:18 PM
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Wanting something doesn’t make a person “ungrateful”. I’m quite grateful for what I have, and none of it has to do with my ability to get casual sex in any way. Just because someone could be worse off or have less than me doesn’t make my issues go away. It’s like if I have a headache and my neighbor gets cancer, sure it sucks for my neighbor and I’m grateful to not have cancer, but that’s not making my headache go away either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 10:11 PM
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I have been wondering the same. Most adults need to function in the real world, this includes their job and just about every job in the world has a requirement for grooming and hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 10:02 PM
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It’s not that much more than buying drinks at the bar which apparently you have to do anyway. Unless you’re attractive enough to get women to come over via some tinder messages or something. Either way, I envy you for being to get casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:04 PM
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So, why not just get a hooker then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:40 PM
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How do you even know that’s how I would feel if I could get casual sex easily? You have no idea about how I would react to things, so do not pretend to think you do. Either way, it’s not like we’ll ever find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:31 PM
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Funny enough, I kind of get the concept. I don’t necessarily want a woman with a high n count, but not because she had fucked other men. It’s just a reminder that I could never get casual sex, and that the dudes who did with her could. I think some men feel the same, though they may not admit it as easily
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:10 PM
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No. I don’t think they straight up hate women. They’re mad because they can’t actually get casual sex as they aren’t attractive enough to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:29 PM
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Maybe, but to hook up at all you need to be attractive enough to do so. If they were really just giving it up or that easy, I would be able to have casual sex instead of not being able to have it once in 29 years even though I wanted it and put myself in places where it happens. There wouldn’t even need to be TRP, because men could just get laid easily No matter how you look at it, if you’re a guy and can get casual sex, it means you are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:18 PM
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The possibility there could be someone on the other side who we are attracted to. Most men do not have options for casual sex, so any possible lead is worth taking. Personally I don’t do it, but I am see the logic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:08 PM
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Maybe outside the pill related spaces, but here and the adjacent subs there’s nothing like that said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 06:52 PM
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I never said that, I am the same in wanting casual sex for the ego and validation too. But I’m also not afraid to outright admit to it. Getting casual sex doesn’t have anything to do with how good or bad a person you are
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 06:19 PM
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Yeah. When those men actually know the reason they want casual sex and stuff is for the validation and ego. They just won’t admit to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 06:01 PM
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So am I. There’s no style that will make me grow taller
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:13 PM
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It’s like giving short men the advice of just dressing like BTS clones because “women like pretty boys”. No, they don’t. They like men with already attractive features who dress like pretty boys. Their style isn’t what makes them attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:31 PM
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Plenty of women will fuck men they “don’t care about” as long as they find them attractive. Most of the women on PPD have been saying this shit for the last week
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:02 PM
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The thing about feminine men is that they are attractive, but only if they have traditionally masculine physical features. It’s like the guys in BTS, sure they present a little feminine when they wear lavender and more softer colors, have earrings, and wear makeup, but they still have traditional masculine features like defined jaws, tall or at least average height (shortest being 5’8), and having shoulders wider that their waist. In everything but their style, they are actually quite masculine …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:56 PM
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More depression than butthurt because I don’t feel anger, but sure
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:53 PM
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It’s probably 1 of 2 things: She probably feels men view sex in the same way as them and will “understand” that they will feel special that the woman waited. This is absolutely not true whatsoever too, no matter how much women try to gaslight men about this on PPD. They know, they just don’t care because it’s all about how attractive they find the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:41 PM
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I honestly don’t care that she herself has a high number, it just reminds me that i didn’t get to experience casual sex. Which is why I don’t want fo be with her, it’s not really about her
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:11 PM
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Who have defined jaws and are tall lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:09 PM
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Damn, this bitch tried to straight up gaslight you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:10 AM
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Anything higher than my own. I am at 7 at 29
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:07 AM
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Because sex is validation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:05 AM
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You gotta take it situation by situation. Like many said the two questions have to be answered. How much do I like my friend? Is this a close friend that if I get caught the loss of them from my life will be a devastating one to me and my life? Will doing this hurt them? Once I get that out of the way, then it’s how hot do I find her? I look at my friendship first and foremost. Girls come and go, but a good friend is hard to come by. Even me, a guy who wants casual hookups or any NSA sex more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:02 AM
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If that’s what he wants, then why is it bad? He is not entitled to sex, and she isn’t entitled to a relationship. If he’s not getting his needs met, then it’s not gonna work out anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:58 AM
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So then what are young attractive women into? Because I almost guarantee any of the men you name will have at least 2 of the traditional masculine features I described
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:57 AM
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Makes sense. I also can’t stand how people keep telling me I’m not missing something awesome by not being able to be the hookup guy, because I’m never seen as the hookup guy. Every description of it sounds great to me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:52 AM
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Perhaps, but there are masculine features that are attractive. Strong or defined jaws, being tall, having shoulders wider than waist. These are masculine features that are near universally found attractive. Even the guys in BTS, who people say are feminine, still have these masculine base features. Maybe the clothing, hairstyle, and makeup (if worn) changes, but what doesn’t is that those features are found attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:49 AM
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So I guess you’re really attracted physically to men with weak chins who are short and balding? Besides, I said most women, not all. You really going to tell me most women aren’t into the men you mentioned? Or into men with the features they have which make them attractive, being tall or average height, strong jaws, muscular
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:02 PM
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I don’t hate women, and I never said I hated women for this. The fact that women do this doesn’t make me angry, it’s when people lie about it and try to gaslight others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:48 PM
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Who said they didn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:32 PM
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I think that’s sort of true, but most women tend to find the same features attractive. It’s why men who have these features do the best on tinder, get more casual sex, get more attention, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:03 PM
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Most of the women who won’t have sex on the first 3 dates have had casual sex with dudes in the past. That’s the issue, if she truly has been consistent and waits the same amount of time then it’s not an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 01:48 PM
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That’s a really shitty trade off as a man. If she really wanted his approval, she’d hook up on the first date. All she is saying is that the boyfriend material guy gets the worse deal and has to wait longer than the hookup guys. Like I said, if getting sex earlier means being the guy she likes “less”, ill take being that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 01:45 PM
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Why is it sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:14 AM
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Okay, but in this situation the woman has no problem hooking up with a guy casually as long as she doesn’t like him as much. She’s not protecting herself from them at all, only the guy she supposedly likes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:12 AM
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Women don’t come to men unless they’re particularly attractive. If money is the only thing attracting her, then all you have is a glorified prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:28 AM
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Sounds like the life I always wanted. Too bad I couldn’t get the first step right to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:27 AM
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What kinda gaslighting BS is this lol? I don’t think any user on this board has seen this ever. If this scenario were truly the case, I’d have had tons of casual sex over relationships instead of the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:21 AM
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Well obviously she’s got no issue hooking up before. And don’t gaslight with the “she likes him more” BS. If being the less liked guy means sex earlier, I’ll take being less liked any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:15 AM
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If you’re this consistent then you’re not the women we’re referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:14 AM
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The only thing I’ve gotten from this is I’d much rather be the casual guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:13 AM
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If being the less liked guy means more sex, I’d take being that guy over the “boyfriend material” guy any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:11 AM
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I guess the women in question were fine having sex sooner, except with the “boyfriend material” guy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:10 AM
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So, he has to wait while the other guys didn’t because she likes him? What kinda BS is that? You’re missing the point. it doesn’t matter if you have a bunch of sex in the relationship. It’s the fact she made him wait, while she didn’t make the others wait. Seems to be fine having sex without knowing if a guy is truly into her if she’s had casual sex, so why all of a sudden you’re making this “boyfriend material” guy wait? I swear, ya’ll try to gaslight so hard without just admitting the truth. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:03 AM
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Yeah, and those “men you want an emotional and romantic connection with” just so happens to be less attractive than the ones you hooked up, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:05 PM
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From a guy’s perspective, it’s more fun to have sex after the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:04 PM
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9 months?! Jesus, that’s such an abnormal situation with these kinds of things. I’d have dumped her no later than a month into the relationship. And the logic is always BS and gaslighting from women on here about this. Men wanting sex is not a shocking thing, and they just don’t want to admit the men they find “boyfriend material” just aren’t as attractive as the “hookup material guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:02 PM
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In my experience, I find the whenever we see a dude get successful on tinder it’s always comments at the top explaining the reason why is looks over everything else. Occasionally, Chads will come to brag about their success
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 04:58 PM
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They do rely on science, being that it’s the only thing they can. They don’t have any real life experience, so they become obsessed with the statistics of things. This is also their downfall because while the data is pretty cut and dry, they interpret it a little too harshly where there is no longer and nuance and every single woman/man/dating situation will always result the exact same. They also don’t know how to present the findings well enough to get people to actually listen to what they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 09:01 PM
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The whole concept of “personality being why you can’t get hookups” is a lot of BS. Women have admitted time and time again it’s looks first and foremost, followed by personality. A guy could be a terrible human being and he’ll still bring women home every weekend if he wants to as long as he’s attractive. This isn’t hard to understand, casual sex is physical so of course it’s going to be looks based. The constant gaslighting though is what gets me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 02:22 PM
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That’s also true, but it’s safe to say that to do any of it you need the looks first to pull it off. Women have admitted that looks is first and foremost the biggest prerequisite for casual sex or being considered “hookup material”. Confidence and charm play a part too though, just not as big as one
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:12 PM
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It’s funny, it seems like to be a Fuckboy you do actually need to have the looks to pull it off. You can’t be average looking and one, you won’t even be given the time of day. You ask TRP or PPD, they’ll tell you an average looking dude can be one. It’s laughable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 11:06 AM
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You’re probably right that it’s some lizard brain thing, but fact is it happens and we can deny how much looks matter in casual sex all we want. It doesn’t change reality
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 03:48 AM
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Yup. It’s why the bar isn’t the place to go anymore or even a viable option for some, because realistically in the older days when a woman went out and wanted some dick, she had to pick the best option in the bar or maybe 1 or 2 other bars. The night would eventually end so she would probably make her pic around 12am so she wasn’t stuck with the last callers. Nowadays, if she doesn’t like the pick from the bar she can swipe on tinder, choose the best option out of many viable options and have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:27 PM
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Made that same comment, guess their detectors were broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:58 PM
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Alright, so why do women still have sex that results in bad sex or reward the guy who doesn’t care about them? Blame the people rewarding the bad behavior if you don’t like said behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:32 PM
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Then there wouldn’t be any good or bad looking people, and your dating success or your status would be determined via other means. This would be through external factors like money, possessions, hobbies, clothing, interests, jobs, etc. It would be similar to how it is now honestly, only difference looks would be taken out of the equation and we’d find something else to make us better than each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:30 PM
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I’m not denying that either. I think we’re saying kind of the same thing, just wording it differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:24 PM
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OP, we understand that women are less likely to orgasm and that most women don’t really like casual sex. Fact is plenty of these women still do it anyway with men they deem hot enough as hookup material. That’s also what men find so appealing about casual sex, it’s a huge boost to the ego because you’re one of the “chosen ones” that’s considered hookup material. Everyone can BS all they want, but casual sex is like 70% ego based and 30% sex. If it was more sex or just having sex, men would fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:06 PM
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That’s a very small group of men. Most men who can get a baddie while being average will have the opposite effect. It inflates their ego, makes them think that’s their standard and they could continue to get women like this. This happened to me when I was younger and dated a very hot and desired girl in college, genuinely believed I was at that level and could get women like that. For me, when the very rare times a woman is interested in me occur, I don’t think she’s below me for thinking that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:03 PM
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I think a lot of that for average guys is very luck based much more than I think we give it credit for. Women will say “I’ve hooked up with an average guy or average guys before”, but leave out that a majority of the dudes they’ve been with are Chad-lites to Chad. That was a momentary dip in their standards, meanwhile the average or below average guy would have gotten his first successful lay in months or even years. I don’t doubt average men can do a hookup, but it’s going to be a lot of time i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:59 PM
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This is the truth. I feel like the landscape has changed, and there was a thread here a little while ago where it was asked of older people of what’s different about the current generation of dating. Many agreed that it is harder, and that to get laid as a guy you must be much more “perfect” than you did say back in the 80s/90s/even early 00s. I would say late 10s and now 20s things have gotten much more difficult for men, probably the hardest they’ve ever been. Plus, the current young generatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:55 PM
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Blackpill isn’t totally wrong about stuff. A lot of it is very pseudo intellectual, austistic ramblings, but when you read through some of it and get passed that, you find they’re right about some things. There’s plenty though they are definitely wrong about too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:26 PM
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And to think, if you ask TBPers about not getting laid, they’ll tell you it’s misogyny or whatever BS. I guess those women’s detectors were broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:05 PM
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No. I don’t want to fuck my family or friends so the goal of the conversation and interaction is different. But having normal conversations is easy enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:59 PM
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It’s not so much the cities are full of Chads, because I would say that I put plenty of work into my appearance but still was no Chad. Many other men were my level of attractiveness also putting in the same kind of work. What I meant was that the only guys they see are Chad. Anyone else that’s not super ugly and/or fat doesn’t meet their line of sight, it’s like they don’t even exist. And the ugly dudes are only so they can ridicule them on PPD and say “all men are overweight and don’t shower” o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 11:32 PM
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Actually BPD predominately effects women, while ASPD predominately affects men. A lot of studies have been done on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 09:25 PM
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Yeah. Plus I feel like everyone here is living in rural areas where men don’t actually try. Or they’re only seeing Chad in their line of sight, and the super bad examples that are neckbeards to ridicule with their friends. I lived in a major city for 4 years, and there were many men walking around with good haircuts, clothing that fit, well groomed and at least not visibly overweight. When you go out to the bars this is turned up to 10 as everyone is putting their best foot forward. There are de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 09:19 PM
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Are you serious lol? The average male at least bathes regularly, and eats some amount of veggie. I’m average looking and I bathe regularly and eat veggies and don’t have a porn addiction. No man I know even kind of fits that description and I’m not hanging out with high fashion models or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 09:17 PM
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I really don’t think doing drugs is part of the bad boy persona, because just about everyone does drugs nowadays. Plus, only certain drugs are in vogue and attractive as I doubt hot women are chasing the heroine addict doing their dope fiend lean on the street. Hell, there was a point where I was doing drugs and it didn’t make me a bad boy by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 05:13 PM
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I just think it’s a guy who is attractive looking that doesn’t necessarily break any major law, but he can break the rules. He also acts narcissistic, pretty selfish, but is able to be quite social and knows when he needs to turn on the “nice” for a brief amount of time. All told though, the one thing you need to be a successful badboy is attractive looking. A short, average looking “badboy” isn’t gonna get interest from women. They’re not even gonna give him the time of day
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:45 PM
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Forreal man. Despite men being called entitled for apparently wanting sex and it being bad, it’s cool that women are entitled to men just “dealing with it” and reacting the way those women want. Men are not entitled to sex, women are not entitled to commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 07:09 PM
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I think there’s a limit too, because you cannot expect the same mindsets to exist their entire lives. But if she’s sleeping with guys on the first date and making you wait within like 2 years? I think if it’s been more than 2 years then fine, but less than that there’s something up
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 07:05 PM
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Lol. Sure man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:58 PM
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No one is obligated to do anything, they’re “justified” if that’s how they feel. If you got mad about it, then you react to it how you want to. Stick around or move on, the decision is yours. And guess what? There’s nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:57 PM
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It’s like confidence. You need to be confident to some degree no matter how attractive you are, but confidence won’t make up for what you lack physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:12 PM
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Read this in his voice. But this is absolutely the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:10 PM
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Why not? I’m not gonna tell you how you should feel about a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:39 PM
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Not necessarily. It’s more that she’s doing it for other men and not him. TRP likes to use the “she gives blowjobs to Chad in the bathroom stall” as an over the top way to describe it, but basically it means that she’ll go home with Chad from the bar or have sex on the first date with the hot guy, but she’ll make you wait after multiple dates. If she is doing the same thing with every guy and is consistent on the waiting time and the “resource requirement”, then it’s not a problem at all and men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:35 PM
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Sure, I guess. Though, there has never been a point in any relationship where I was dissatisfied with the frequency of the sex, or felt like they weren’t into it unless it was the very end of the relationship and she or I would initiate a breakup. Like I said, in every relationship I was finding they initiated more than I did. I never was denied any kind of sex act, and that’s with girls with super high n counts, or women with low n counts. Maybe they did other stuff with you, but it’s stuff I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:31 PM
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It comes down to ego as a guy. Are you the guy she’ll do anything for without providing a resource, or are you the guy she’ll do something for after providing a resource or does very little. The Alpha/Beta also adds to the ego part of it. It’s why there are complaints about not being the guy who she sleeps with on the first date, or is considered hookup material, when she’s done the same for other dudes in the past. Even if she eventually sleeps with you, and the sex is great, it’s a blow to you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:29 PM
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Yeah, no woman is gonna give an average looking bad boy the time of day, unless she happens to be super fat or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 01:47 PM
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True, but how do they look?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:40 AM
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Because some people just don’t have the desire to do it, or they feel that doing it is pointless and there are other things they can do with their time that fulfills them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:31 AM
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Sure, but she still had sex with the guys before sooner than she did with me. Why did she let them get it sooner than she did me? It obvious the reason why is attractiveness, but I’m not a fan of being treated differently, especially if she supposedly “likes me more”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:17 PM
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Look, call it what you want, but if I’m getting not as good a deal as the dudes before, then I’m gonna feel cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:07 PM
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You compare your past self, and see if there are improvements. Why do I care if there are improvements but no one notices or thinks so? But should you care? I think if you find yourself attractive that it’s enough.. But then you’re not attractive if you are the only one who thinks you’re attractive. It’s like thinking you’re smart but getting F’s on every exam. Or thinking you’re strong when you can’t even lift 10 pound dumbbells. Or thinking you’re a top athlete when you have awful stats. Objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:06 PM
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What’s the point in doing anything visual to yourself if you’re not attracting the people you want or getting external validation? Everything requires some kind of external validation to know if you’re above average at something. Looks are no different, you can think you’re attractive all day, but if no one does or a very very small pool of people think so, then you’re just not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:47 PM
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From a guy’s perspective, it’s because she slept with other men sooner than me. If she was consistent with every other guy before me and made them wait too, then fine idc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:37 PM
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It’s possible he doesn’t find you as attractive physically or sexually, but still does have romantic and emotional interest and love for you. This could be because maybe he has low libido via something. Maybe medication, maybe he just is a low libido person. Idk him. It could also be maybe you have had a change in your appearance and he is not a fan of this new appearance. Did you get fatter? Did you stop doing more for your appearance? Maybe he’s bored of the sex. How are you in the bedroom, ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:23 PM
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I’ve heard this same thing that OP is saying when it comes to self improvement, the only reason I do anything to improve my appearance is to get attention and interest from women. I have spent over a decade doing this and wasn’t able to get the results I wanted. I feel I wasted my time and money more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:14 PM
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No, I don’t talk to any of my exes. When the relationship is over, my rule is to cut contact. There is nothing I need to talk to them about, or have any reason to continue to have them be a part of my life. If we have mutual friends, I’ll be civil, but I have no desire to continue any sort of relationship with them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 04:40 PM
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If the dude has money, then he should just go for procedures or methods to make those unchangeable characteristics improved. You can do almost anything through cosmetic surgery in 2022. You can even become taller. If I had the money, I would without a doubt be booking leg lengthening surgery today. I can deal with the recovery, the pain, the physical therapy, but I can’t be out of commission and take off work for a year and/or throw down 60k on a surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 04:33 PM
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Short women also want tall men more than they want short men. I don’t understand this concept that is always thinking these short dudes are exclusively going after taller chicks. Most short men are going for short women a majority of the time, they’re just not tall enough for these short women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 04:28 PM
4

I think style and grooming does go a long way, but only depends where you start.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 04:24 PM
2

And how many of those tall losers get attention from women or can get casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:15 AM
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Yup. To me, all that sounds like a good problem to have because all I want is casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:17 AM
1

some may try it out a couple of times And it’s always with a guy in the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:15 AM
10

This ain’t even his final form
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:11 AM
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Different things validate women than men. Yes, if you or I had the abundance for hookups, matches, FWBs, we would be very happy because as a guy these things validate us. Meanwhile for the most part being considered by most women as “boyfriend material” or the ease of getting relationships doesn’t. For women on the other hand, they are the opposite. They’d love the ease of getting into relationships, or to be considered gf material. Sure they can swipe on tinder and have a dude over in a couple …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:09 AM
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Yeah this is pretty much the experience of myself as well. Many women will try casual sex, even if it’s a few times in their lives, and the men they try it with are almost always in this 20% group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:48 PM
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but many have done it once or twice And it’s usually with a guy who falls in that 20%. The way I see it, the 20%er has access to casual sex with 80% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:45 PM
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I think you’re right on the muscles thing, because I do believe women genuinely mean it when they say it. It is impossible to be attractive or unattractive to every single woman on earth. It is possible to be attractive to most in a given area, and it isn’t wrong to state that there are features that most women are attracted to. I’m not wrong to say most women like a body that has shoulders wider than their waist, or a full head of hair, or a defined jaw with a strong chin, or tall. You’ll run i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:22 PM
1

Quite an autistic rant, but I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying and in my experience much of this is true. Though, I think you’re just demonizing women a bit too much here. I don’t think they are actively trying to stop you from improving, rather they do think it’s genuinely good advice. Except maybe when you say you want casual sex and ask them for advice, and the response usually is “well, you shouldn’t. You should find a relationship”. That is definitely being purposeful. Also a note …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:10 PM
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Can’t think of more than 2 women that looked so vastly different. Usually if they post a pic they do indeed look like that, maybe they have angles that accentuate their looks but only slightly. Funny enough, I’ve gotten a few reviews that say I look taller in photos than I actually am. Had a few dates where the girl was like “huh, I expected you to be taller tbh”. I did not try to do this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:56 PM
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OP are you fitting the description mentioned in the post? Anyway, they get lucky and maybe find one on the app. But out of frustration and hits to their ego they delete the app and just go back to good ol meeting women outside. It can go either way, but if you’re actually average looking then you should be able to find someone to be in a relationship with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:54 PM
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Obviously. It’s just another attractive dude who doesn’t realize he’s living a different world
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:10 PM
1

Both fair points you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:02 AM
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I don’t know, at my gym in a college town there are plenty of women with snatched waists and big booties hanging out at the squat rack.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 12:42 AM
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Men aren’t clueless, they’re just not getting the attention at all, or they get it so very little. For me, because it happens so very very rarely, that I can’t not notice it when they way I’m being treated is so different than what I usually get. All those stories of “aw man I had no idea she was into me” are probably fake and they’re lying to themselves. I used to do the same thing, it’s a nice coping mechanism because it helps you not see what’s in the mirror. Men know when women are intereste…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:41 PM
1

I’d make sure I’m a healthy weight, then I’d just go on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:35 PM
2

Never heard that saying, but is definitely very true
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:29 PM
1

I’ve never understood the whole “get rich to attract women”. You’ve got a glorified prostitute using you for your money, how is this just not being a Betabuxx in the end? You’re better off getting money to get various surgeries and a good personal trainer/nutritionist to make yourself into the vision of what most women agree is attractive. If you remain your ugly or average self, your sports car, your Rolex, your mansion are what she finds attractive. Looks are what you are, money is what you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:58 PM
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Yeah. I’ll admit there have been some lucky occurrences in my life, but at the same time it’s important to note that there are also real life factors I need to do that have allowed those lucky things to happen as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:47 PM
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Most are tbh. There are outliers though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:45 PM
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This gets asked every other week. Basically, the same issues would happen but in reverse. The only thing that would change is if you change one or the other’s nature
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 06:20 PM
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Wow, you mean there’s nuance in the real world? GTFO
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 06:19 PM
1

Open Communication to each other about wants and needs. Voice your desires, and listen when they voice theirs. If it’s so out of the question incompatible, then there won’t be happiness. One of you will be miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 06:03 PM
3

If I am a single parent, then sure. But I am not, so I wouldn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 05:10 AM
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This. Bad boy needs looks to go along with the attitude. Women aren’t gonna deal with an average looking or short bad boy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:30 AM
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Well, we’re talking about casual sex here mind you, and he was doing this with women in their 20s, probably 18/19 too. Ya know, during their “fun or hoe phase”. When it comes to casual sex, many women admit the requirements are just being hot and having basic social skills, two things we know he has. I think looking for a partner you’d be right, and I don’t think many women looking for a relationship would exactly choose him unless he starts to give relationship vibes, but it’s not exactly that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:27 AM
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Your experience is for sure not the norm, and you can’t really use it as “aha! See, TRP is totally wrong!”. TRP looks more at things from a general perspective, and this is plainly obvious too. I’ve never understood why this is so hard to grasp and in every thread you got one person saying “uhhhh I’m not like that, so you’re totally wrong, it’s not all men/women”. No one said it was, it’s just most.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 11:59 PM
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Manliness doesn’t always mean less attractive though. He’s probably just less attractive and your bad boy friend has more generally attractive features than his brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 11:37 PM
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In my opinion, it’s a guy who is generally considered physically attractive by most of the female population in a given setting who is insanely confident in himself and lives how he wants barring breaking any laws that can land him in serious jail time. That being said, to be a bad boy (a successful one anyway), you gotta have the looks first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 11:10 PM
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To be fair, he did start with “good looking”. Attractive men who most women can agree are attractive can easily rack numbers up for obvious reasons. If he was short and balding, sure I’d be skeptical. But it’s entirely believable based on his description. Hell, like OP said, he probably doesn’t even have to lie. The women would have already decided to go home with him before he spoke. He just chooses to for some reason or another, it may just literally be engrained into him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 11:07 PM
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Sure, send me photos if you would like to. I guess I don’t know what my issue is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:06 PM
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Submental Liposuction. Originally went in wanting a chin implant. Doc strongly recommended against it and told me to get what I want instead. Which is surprising because it’s a procedure that costs much less than an implant. There’s a difference, I can notice it, but it’s not that noticeable to others, and doesn’t necessarily change my attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 07:46 PM
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Thanks, I do appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:29 PM
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I mean, you said it yourself my face is average lol. I know my face isn’t bad, I never said it was. It’s just plain and doesn’t turn heads. I have lifted weights and done exercise, but I don’t see anything more than minimal results when I do. However, I’ve never been fat. I’ve been considering getting on gear to try to get actual results. Plus even then I’ll still have my face, and personally I don’t want my face if it’s not attractive. I have no issue completely being someone else, and looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:24 PM
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I was using tinder, I was getting matches, nothing too crazy, but they were there. Many did not respond, and only a few dates. None of which ended in hookups, which is what I was looking for. I went to the subreddit to ask what I might be doing wrong, or why I wasn’t getting all of these forward messages from women, or when I used the same pick up lines they didn’t work, and they told me it was most likely because I was not attractive enough. It made sense, why i didn’t get attention or why my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 04:55 PM
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Maybe you’re right. Even so, I can’t necessarily stop myself from getting older. I’ll be 30 this September, i don’t even know what prospects I can even realistically have at my age. You go on a dating app, and you put your age as 29, the women have a huge dip in quality. I could realistically lie and say I’m 26, I still look relatively young enough where people are shocked when I say im as old as I am, so I could pass for a grad student, def can’t say i’m in undergrad though. Though I will I say…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 04:25 PM
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Which ones? My Breds or Shadows? Idk, maybe I take good photos. All I know is women don’t seem to be into it for hookups. There’s nothing wrong with my face though, most people who get surgery don’t think there’s anything wrong with their face or body, but they want it to be attractive regardless. I used to want a straight up jaw implant, but I don’t have $20k, plus my surgeon told me we could do fillers if I wasn’t satisfied. Might go that route first. I’m hyper convinced because I haven’t been…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:49 PM
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Escorts will never happen in a million years. It’s not real, you’re paying her to pretend you’re attractive. She doesn’t want to be there, she’s only there for a transaction and is counting down the minutes til you’re done. There is no validation whatsoever in that situation, it’s not even just about the sex, there’s a whole mental aspect you’re missing here. The “attraction” she has is not organic. I’ve been to the bar scene, party scene, house raves, festivals, all that shit. I’ve been to tons…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:11 PM
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7 billion people. 300 million in the US. 53 people sample Obviously all you need to reach a conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:02 PM
1

But completely lacking the hoe phase has left me depressed and unfulfilled. Having that sort of phase is all I wanted and I was sort of stuck with relationships if I wanted sex. I don’t expect you to get it, but what I got was nothing close to that I wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:46 PM
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I agree with that. I’ve gotten one surgery about 3 months ago, and I’m going to get additional ones as it didn’t make a big enough difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:27 PM
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I appreciate it, I guess women don’t think so lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 01:04 PM
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I definitely don’t think I look like a Chad. I think it’s just a good photograph personally, plus it’s taken by a photographer and you can look good if someone whose job it is to do that stuff does it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 01:00 PM
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Eh, I think it’s a good photograph of me. It was taken by a photographer who understands angles and lighting. Maybe I photograph well, idk, I feel like that’s not totally what I look like. But I’m for sure not some Chad or have ever been successful in getting any amount of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:58 PM
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I don’t quite get what you mean lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:35 PM
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Yeah, but even you realize it’s just straight luck for you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:25 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:17 PM
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Still, I’ll never know because the decision was made for me. I wasn’t attractive enough to have a ho phase and was never able to get any casual sex. It’s not like I didn’t try, and it’s not like I didn’t throw effort into improving my appearance. I couldn’t break that threshold, only the relationship threshold which is much lower. I never got to choose to settle down, or choose whether or not I liked casual sex. It was just decided I wasn’t good enough to have it. I appreciate your apology. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:55 AM
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Even if the “grass is greener”, what I do know is I feel unfulfilled by what I’ve had already and this has caused me a lot of misery and bitterness. Plus again, how do we even know I wouldn’t like it or wouldn’t be happy? I didn’t even get to make that decision
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:33 AM
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Sorry you had your experience, but that doesn’t deter me or change my mind. I’d have much rather had hookups. How do you even know I’d feel the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:27 AM
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Honestly, I just feel defeated. I’ve spent a lot of time and money into my looks and the best I can come up with is “slightly above average” if we don’t include my height. You add my height and I am thrown down to basically invisible or background noise. I even got surgery almost 3 months ago and I’m seeing no change whatsoever, I’ve already accepted I have to get more and something much more drastic Do I think relationships are bad? Of course not, but I’d be much much happier if I was able to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:24 AM
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I’d trade the relationships for ONS. Having no casual sex has left me very miserable and unfulfilled. It may not be bad to you, but I’d rather take your body count any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:28 AM
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Like I said, it’s absolutely your looks more than anything else. Especially with hooking up man, doesn’t matter if it’s friends or some girl you met in the bar. Your experiences are nothing close to my life at all man, for the most part I’m ignored or just straight up invisible until I actually start a convo. And even then, it’s all platonic. I’d kill to have a body count of 30-40 women, that’s literally all I ever wanted. For the substances, I don’t know, maybe because they also use substances …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:25 AM
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I mean, face does matter a lot. You can be drug addict thin and be considered hot if you have good facial features. The physique thing is kind of like a cherry on top, a busted or “weak looking face” can’t be made up by having a good body. Plus I have been drug addict thin too (while not being a drug addict), so odds are we have had similar physiques. The biggest thing is my height, I am 5’6. And I know “well stop caring about your height” which I always get when I mention it, I didn’t start to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:10 AM
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I never downvoted you, your experience happens and I believe it happens every day to men. I have tried to “make moves” and like you said put myself in that situation, they were not receptive or only “saw me as a friend”. I think you’re downplaying your looks because in my life I have never had a female friend interested in me in anything other than a platonic type of relationship. This does not shock me of course, I am not what most women are into, in fact it’s a very small pool of women that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:50 AM
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Depends how attractive you are and how attractive they find you. They aren’t going to just “hook up” with a dude cause he’s there, even if they feel safe or secure around them. I’ve had tons of female friends throughout my life, and not one has made any indication they are interested in me or interested in hooking up. Considering that in my life whatever girl I’m with is the only one interested in me, so I’m not what most people find attractive and this is not surprising. I think your average Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:35 AM
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Yeah, sounds like a coworker of mine I’m semi close with. Just got married like 2 years ago, and pretty much does all but number 5 (because we don’t talk about sex, but if we did he’d more than likely hit that too.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:31 AM
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I mean, of course Chad can swing it. But there ain’t no average guys hitting on women and it being received well at the grocery store or Starbucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:29 AM
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Well yeah. But for many men it’s not something they have often, maybe once or twice in their lives if they are lucky. And that’s with actually trying. OP’s question was on men actually engaging in it and doing it multiple times, not as a fluke
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:16 AM
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Not a whole lot. Any option would essentially be the very bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Ugly single moms (not even the decent looking ones), the obvious land whales, crack whores with busted up faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:24 AM
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Well I don’t know her, but I’m one. But that’s because I couldn’t get casual sex, not because I didn’t choose to
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:22 AM
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It’s just the capacity that many men have. Men can fuck a girl once and never speak to her again, and will be willing to do it the next night with an entirely different girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:21 PM
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For men, it has a lot to do with validation. If there wasn’t that specific aspect and it was just about getting their rocks off, a flashlight or hooker will do fine. But there’s an entire mental aspect people forget a lot about
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:20 PM
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Because men’s place in dating requires them to be socially adept, make the first move, etc. having autism will make it harder or impossible to have this. For men, you cannot have mental illness if you want to be successful with women and rack up numbers. If you want a relationship, it’s still going to be an issue whether it’s you’re trying to create one or keep one. Many autistic men find relationships however, either it’s that their autism isn’t “that bad” or their partner doesn’t particularly …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:12 PM
1

It depends on the people you ask, having us try to discern how other people feel on a topic with feelings all over the place is impossible. It’s like asking “can someone be unsuccessful in getting rich and be happy/ok with it”. It depends on a person’s goals, some people are okay with having sex with one woman, some are okay with having only romantic relationships, some are okay with no having anything, some are only okay if they have lots of partners. I’ve met people who are content with these …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:49 PM
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Yeah. He seemed totally fine right before the slap, then she was like “no, you’re not allowed to laugh” and he gets up to smack Chris Rock. It’s like she ordered him to do it, ya know, like a bitch. Plus I think he’s over compensating. She cheated on him and it’s probably something that has continued to come up behind closed doors (it always does). He’s probably afraid if he doesn’t over compensate she’ll do it again, it’s obvious she doesn’t view him in the same light when they got together
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:46 PM
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Male sexuality isn’t broken, it’s just viewed negatively by the general population unless the guy happens to be attractive and has sex with not too many women, or it’s only in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:15 PM
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People like to believe that they are always the victim and they are perfect. There have been relationships I have had where I genuinely believed I was the victim at the end, only to look back during my healing phase where I realized I was actually kind of terrible as well to them. Like in therapy, their feelings are still valid, but their feeling just may/may not be an objective truth. Take being depressed or paranoid that everyone is out to get you, yes you feel that way and it is totally valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:12 PM
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Hard to say, I guess in their mind they think they love them even when cheating, but that doesn’t mean the person cheated on believes it or feels love themselves. I personally do not think it’s possible, and by cheating on someone you have decided you no longer love them, due to risks that cheating can create. Either way, there is no good reason or valid reason to cheat. I don’t care if you’re not satisfied in your relationship, you’re still a horrible person for doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:10 PM
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I didn’t even think about the parents thing, but you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:07 PM
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How small we talking here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:30 AM
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It’s essentially just a way to keep attraction, but it’s not enough to create attraction. She needs to already be attracted to you in order for any of your game to do anything. Now how attracted she is to you determines how much game you actually need or how good it has to be. Like a 6 has to be very good with his game, downright perfect in everything he says or does and the slightest slip up will turn her off, while the 8 just has to not say “Hitler was a great man”. It also determines how bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:18 AM
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But none of that happens in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:57 PM
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I misread your comment, I wasn’t trying to just circle jerk there. I thought you were disagreeing, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:56 PM
2

My friend who is visibly overweight with visible tattoos isn’t getting laid even once a year. It ain’t gonna make up for what you already lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:54 PM
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I don’t know why this is being so contested. Tattoos are only as good as the body they’re on, when it comes to dating
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:54 PM
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Alright, but I don’t think it’s your tattoos that have necessarily made you more attractive, or your confidence. Tattoos are basically an accessory. Like, what are you physical aspects? Tall, attractive face, high shoulder the waist ratio, not balding? Do you have physical traits that most women would agree are attractive? I have a friend who is visibly overweight and average looking, he has visible tattoos on both his arms, even by his ear and on his hands. He’s not exactly banging chicks every…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:30 PM
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If you don’t go below wrist, I guess you can just hate your life in the summer. I’m not saying this like everyone will choose it, but it’s a possibility
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:15 PM
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I can agree that it does help a person feel more confident and change their mindset, but you can think you’re one the hottest guys ever. I used to genuinely believe that about myself, it obviously wasn’t true though and it didn’t make them think I was either. Undeserved confidence just makes people think you’re an idiot or delusional, you need some proof why you are confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:13 PM
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Just don’t go below the elbow for half sleeves and you can cover them up. I work for a somewhat more liberal company now, but when I worked for a conservative one, no one even knew I had em
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:09 PM
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Hmmmmm nah. Tattoos aren’t going to help a short dude, or a dude with a weak chin. Tattoos are like any item in any niche, they’re great to have, but won’t make up for whatever you’re lacking. It’s like sure Patagonia sweaters are Vineyard Vines shirts are cool if you’re in the fratty crowd, but if you’re not physically attractive it doesn’t bring you up in any way than maybe .5 in the rating scale. I have tattoos, it hasn’t exactly made my dating life any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:49 PM
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Chad is having most of the casual sex and it’s a big big majority of it, but not all of it. For anyone that isn’t Chad, you have to be literally perfect in every other way for it to happen, and be in the right place at the right time. It’s not consistent in the slightest, and at many times you’ll wait months or even years in between a hookup. Some of these men never even get one in their lives because they just never meet one of those small pool of women who are going to be willing to hookup wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:15 PM
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You’re talking an extreme here, there are dudes on here that get interest from average or plain chicks, but feel they’re “not on their level”. Also because lots of men have an inflated view on their own looks and believe they are actually more attractive than they are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:49 PM
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That’s a fair point, and I have seen a lot more “acceptance” and “agreeing” recently on these topics. Still though, it feels like sometimes this sub feels like TRP 2.0, and we just have circle jerk conversations about those topics. I’m all for debate, and discussing these things of course (mostly because I also have feelings on it), but I feel like we’ve debated all there is to debate and the results of each time we debate these things is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 01:02 PM
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It did use to be, but many of the bluepillers were chased out long ago. Nowadays we just get threads on the same 6 topics that are slightly reworded, with the Purge weeks being more frequent because the conversation’s been getting stale.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:40 PM
1

Where do you guys live? And they could also be lying in how much success they get. Guys do tend to bring their number up even when they haven’t been with that many.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:37 PM
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Pretty much. I can see why incels happen, but just about any dude can get relationships, even if they’re above their looksmatch. I’ve always been able to find relationships through my life, and I’ve never even be rich or had a ton of resources. So if I can, like 80% of the incels whose pics I’ve seen absolutely can.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:23 AM
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Usually self haters still go for the white dudes that are average height at least, from my experience in the US. And nah, I didn’t have any luck anywhere when it came to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:42 PM
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Oh I already failed then, I thought “failed fuckboy” fit better for my situation tbh 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:56 PM
1

Know thyself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:54 PM
1

I’m 5’6, my “white” card was lost in the mail
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:53 PM
2

Man, zero
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:43 PM
2

Didn’t for me. I had like 1200 matches in a year and a half of using tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:35 PM
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You should probably specify “I get no bitches that I’m interested in” rather than say you get no bitches. Either way, are you just going for models or insta thots or something? Because you get them, height and all, you need an attractive face too. If you don’t, use those 6 figures to pay for a new one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:29 PM
0

You get no attention from women? Are you facially unattractive or something? Number 1 alone is enough to get at least some amount of hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:19 PM
2

Been saying this for a while. That’s why the number of matches don’t even matter, the amount of casual sex you get does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:36 PM
3

That I agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:34 PM
1

It’s me in the photo, I wouldn’t say I’m unattractive, I just think I’m average, maybe slightly above. Appreciate the comment though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:33 PM
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Alright, but my point kind of still stands then, the physical attributes are actually what matters here. Of course there is no man who will universally be attractive to every woman, that’s absolutely impossible. But, there is no clothing or style or whatever that will make you “taller than her in heals” (figuratively of course, unless you wear lifts, then they can literally make you taller) or make your jaw stronger. Most men cannot pass the looks threshold, which is the point I’m making.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:11 PM
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You’re somewhat correct, but the fact is that most women find the same physical features attractive. Usually this is being tall and/or having masculine facial features (strong jaw/chin). There are types, I guess. But I don’t really see any bars where a majority of women prefer weak chins or short men. I’ve been social enough to be able to hang with different groups of people and subcultures outside of my core friend group, and the dudes getting laid always had the same physical features, only th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:18 PM
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Yeah I’m the first 1, but I don’t really complain about the necessary n count she has, only that I didn’t get casual sex myself. This is all very well said, I was basically locked out from the getgo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:14 PM
1

That’s fair, let’s just take balding men out of the equation. Are your friends actually into men with weak chins? Like do they look at a guy with a weak chin and say “wow he’s so hot”? It’s not that I don’t believe you and all, and I think there’s some truth to what you say. But I also think you’re leaving something out here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:43 AM
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Maybe, but the question is when it comes to these nerdy or more “feminine” men are dudes they thinking of still tall, have good jawlines, shoulder the waist ratio that shows their shoulders are larger than their waist? I don’t think the raw physical traits that women tend to find attractive necessarily go away, I doubt your friends are into dudes with receding chins, bald, short, or a combo of all 3. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:16 AM
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I don’t think they’re actually ugly, they’re mostly just plain/average looking who yeah are punching above their weight so to speak and are finding not a lot of success. Like TRP was made to help average guys sort of fill in the gaps to do better dating wise. Some of the advice is actually good (Lift Weights, don’t put pussy on a pedestal, be less outwardly autistic, be more social), and yeah the frat dude who played sports in high school and was popular probably knows this, but an average looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:38 PM
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I’m not OP. I was just replying. And don’t worry, I’ve heard what you said before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:23 PM
2

Yeah, I’ve never been able to experience hook ups. It genuinely makes me want to kill myself some days. Especially when I put my money and time toward trying to become attractive enough to do so for the last decade. I’ve accepted I can’t and never will have it, but that doesn’t make me less miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:07 PM
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And here it is, the absolute truth we’ve been getting to with all those threads about women not hooking up with “boyfriend material” guys. If she doesn’t fuck you on the first date, she doesn’t find you attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:04 PM
1

Validation, it’s why men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:02 PM
1

You are responsible for your own actions. If you’re a woman who chooses a Fuckboy and gets fucked over, that’s absolutely on you. If you’re a guy who doesn’t vet properly and chooses a gold digger who takes 50% of your shit, that’s absolutely on you. You’re an adult, understand that you had a hand in this unless you were threatened to make this choice with a gun against your head, in other words made to “choose”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:01 PM
1

Lower than my own
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:57 PM
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Hookups have more variety, and for men more validation that come from them than relationship sex. Having sex via a relationship means one person finds you attractive, and it could be because of anything else (personality, resources, etc) having casual sex means multiple do, and they find you physically attractive enough to want to do something totally based on physical appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:56 PM
1

To be fair, I was already vetted because I came with a POC so then it was just “oh, whatever”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:16 PM
1

True, but that doesn’t necessarily make him more attractive, he just stands out as “wow that’s the white person at this party”. I have had this happen to me once, but I would say I get the same attention I get normally (the Average male experience I described)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:07 PM
1

I would say my explanation is a good judge for the west, or any country that doesn’t have very traditional conservative views. In Japan for example, they sometimes don’t even make eye contact with anyone, or like in Saudi Arabia women aren’t really allowed to look at dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:03 PM
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I think an average guy is a guy who can find a relationship with a looksmatched or even slightly above looksmatched girl somewhat easily, but will find getting casual sex pretty hard, and it will be with women he most likely doesn’t find attractive. At least in dating. But, for average “looks”, I consider it a guy that just sort of fades into the background. He doesn’t turn heads, his presence is only noticed when he speaks to someone or when he does something that requires people’s attention. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:57 PM
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Ego. If he has the options, most times he will cheat. There’s a saying that men are as loyal as their options. Some don’t, even if the cheating option for them is better, but there are other things that sort of go into his decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:51 PM
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I appreciate your feelings toward my situation. At this point all I can do is get more attractive. I’ve had one surgery so far, but I might need another one to make a bigger change
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:46 PM
2

Now hold on, my mindset isn’t “women should just fuck me”. That implies I feel I “deserve” it or it’s a right I have. I do not feel this way at all, you’ve completely misunderstood me here. I don’t blame society for the issues, or even blame women for it. I know others do, but I don’t. I don’t hate women for it, I hate myself for not being good enough to have casual sex. And it absolutely is not society’s job to fix the issue for me, or for women to suddenly consider me the conventional vision o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:18 PM
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Like i said, I’ve had too much experience via women I know IRL and women on here that says the opposite of what you are saying man. Women can get casual sex so easily, so they always pick the best one out of the bunch. Getting a hookup is being chosen, it’s being hot enough to get it. Most women’s boyfriend looks threshold is lower because you make up for it in other ways, but the hookup one is higher because it’s all looks based. I don’t care if she “loves” me more, I could really care less abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:47 PM
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Says the guy who was able to make that decision himself, I was never even given the opportunity to actually make the decision if I like casual sex, or find out if it gives me the validation I want. The only sex ive been able to have it via a relationship or in the context around one. I’ve been to therapy, I’m on like my third medication. It ain’t doing anything for me. But don’t worry, I’ve accepted it plenty. I’m just miserable about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:44 PM
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Good for them, that’s not how I consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:42 PM
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I doubt that sincerely. It’s because I wasn’t good enough for a hookup, just to be a boyfriend. And I’d rather be the hookup guy any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:31 PM
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Validation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:29 PM
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Well I guess you described me, I have never been able to get a hookup and any sex I’ve ever had is in the context of a relationship or one about to start. Not by choice
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:28 PM
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So the guy who is less attractive gets the the thing that is physical first? Stupid as hell, that’s not even close to how it works. You do realize how dumb that sounds, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 04:55 PM
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It’s an analogy. But fine, if you want to get too into that then just use my money comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 04:55 PM
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That is bullshit and you know it. She’s more physically attracted to the guy who she is making wait for the act based on physical attractiveness? C’mon, enough with the gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:41 PM
2

That I agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:13 AM
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If you truly believe it’s about the specific act of sex, you’re missing exactly why people here are angry
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:09 AM
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Maybe you might understand the hungry if you weren’t fed, the poor if you were rich. You’re getting sex twice a week through Grindr, most men can’t get casual twice in one year.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:08 AM
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Hookers don’t provide the validation from a hookup
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:05 AM
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So, why is the hookup guy getting it before I am? He has to do less to get it, but why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:02 AM
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I’ve done therapy and am in medication. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:00 AM
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The point where I was trying to get at is that it does not make sense unless she wasn’t more attracted to you physically And it matters to me. I’ve never been able to get sex on the first either, so it’s not like it’s something I can just “be satisfied with somebody else”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:49 AM
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Some nights I’d try more than that, some nights less (if there weren’t that many single women around). When every night “isn’t your night”, you kind of start to give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:24 AM
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You can’t really put a specific number, because you have to base it on size of said event. But I can say a decent enough percentage
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:19 AM
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So, if I mean more to her, exactly why rob me of something I want? This is the stupidest reasoning I’ve seen on here, everyone knows men want sex. You think the boyfriend material guy is okay with you making him wait but not the hookup guy? You just said she finds the hookup guy hotter physically. This isn’t a good thing at all, if I could I’d be the hookup guy in a heartbeat. Fuck all that noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:16 AM
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Yup. Bars, clubs, parties, concerts (I guess?), festivals. It’s not like I was just sitting at home or going to libraries or museums, or picking up chicks at the Starbucks. I was in the situations where that kind of stuff happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:13 AM
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It depends kind of where you are in life. Like, if you’re a person in their 20s with no relationship experience you will be in for a bad time. If you’re like 18, it’s not a huge deal tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:10 AM
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Hookup vibes You mean attractive face, and/or being 6 feet? I guess not, no. I get there is some mental parts to it, but if you don’t have the looks to start you don’t even qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:08 AM
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You’d think in 29 years I’d meet at least one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:07 AM
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If a guy isn’t attractive enough to hook up with, I’d never agree to a date. At least you’re consistent there
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:06 AM
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Okay, but why didn’t the stars align for me, vs the dudes she fucked on the first date? Exactly what made her decide to fuck them but not me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:04 AM
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It means that I’m maybe attractive via personality or some other non physical related trait, but it doesn’t mean I’m physically attractive. But the situation you described isn’t what we’re talking about here. In yours, you’re implying I’m still getting sex on the first date and then being a boyfriend. Thats not what we’re saying, we’re saying “boyfriend material” means that she makes him wait for sex because she “likes him so much”, meanwhile she has sex with the hookup guy on the first date. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:03 AM
1

Okay, but which one is getting a hookup on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:59 AM
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Then why didn’t she hook up with me, if I’m the guy in this hypothetical situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:57 AM
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Being upfront about it doesn’t make her want it though. I have been upfront about wanting it, and it hasn’t done anything for me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:57 AM
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For me, it’s not necessarily the act of sex as to why I want hookups. It’s the validation that comes from the act, and that it means as a man I am attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:56 AM
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Getting a hookup means you are one of the chosen ones, because women have options all over the place. It means she chose you, you were the best option, like you said, you have won
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:54 AM
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Let me ask you, do you hookup with every guy you go on a date with, or is it the only select guys you find attractive enough for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:53 AM
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There’s no “vetting” required if she finds you hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 10:23 PM
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I don’t know tbh, because I definitely agree with you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 10:21 PM
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Don’t know until you try. You could literally be the option she chooses in that moment and jumping to the front of the queue, being in the right place at the right time. Maybe you’re enough to be the “maybe” to a “yes” at the bar, club, party, etc. Maybe to her you are a “yes” and maybe she’s one of the women super attracted to you. Idk what you look like, so I can’t say if you’re conventionally attractive or not. However, if it doesn’t happen for you in that moment, do not stick around and beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 04:51 PM
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Some people want it, some people don’t. It really depends on the person, because many people actually do enjoy the experience. For me, as a guy who just never was able to have it, it feels like I missed out and am still missing out on something many people get to be a part of. Plus, the fact that I was more or less disqualified from even engaging in it makes me depressed to no end. If I did have it, I imagine it would be the best moment of my entire life because of how much I’ve wanted it to beg…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 04:47 PM
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You do need to understand where this pessimism comes from them. They’ve literally never had an experience in their life that says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:00 PM
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Never said that. I said it’s very very rare, not that they will never find love and affection. And yeah there’s a chance they may never find one of those people in that small pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:45 PM
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Somebody might, but if you’re not the first guy your pool will be very very very small. So small that you might never even meet them. Let’s not kid ourselves here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:22 PM
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Yeah. It’s like knowing your level of attractiveness or that you are attractive, or smart, or strong, or skilled in something. You need the outside factors that determine this kind of thing, and the world around you needs to decide where you sit. Sure, all I described there will be someone more attractive, stronger, smarter, more skilled at something than you are, richer than you. But, you can still be “better than most” and be fulfilled. It’s about getting closer to the top where in your every …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:17 PM
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For the first guy, his success is because he’s conventionally attractive. I think the second one is like the other guy said as right place right time. But, these two are certainly not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:12 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:59 PM
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I said you should insult their appearance if they’re insulting appearance too. In your entire list, you only indicated one looks based insult. But for the times they talk about the other 3, it’s not exactly an equivalent or even related insult
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:30 PM
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I just think it’s bringing something in that has nothing to do with the situation/insult/argument just to get a cheap shot on them, especially when it’s something they can’t control. Like the balding thing you brought up, what does their balding have to do with being redpill? Insulting the ideology is fine, even calling their beliefs stupid is fine, but being like “lol you’re balding” isn’t. And besides, you even said you don’t hate balding men, so why do you suddenly want to use it as an insult…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 04:45 PM
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I agree with you. But I’m just saying what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:58 PM
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I think you’re right. As a guy who many would consider “takes care of himself” an above average amount, I have been ridiculed by men and even women for doing so. I wouldn’t say I do anything crazy, just a skincare routine and quarterly facials for upkeep, I get my haircut at salons by hairstylists and I have “expensive and fancy” shampoos, conditions, and hair products. I get my hair colored at the salons occasionally too because I like how it makes me feel. I also go to a tailor to get my cloth…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:56 PM
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It’s a common insult used to clap back at incels. Basically incel says something, then the reply is “have sex” when they don’t know what else to say
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:51 PM
2

I had an ex who loved big noses on dudes, not a normal thing. Someone will find you attractive, but they may be the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:40 PM
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The best route to go is therapy to help you become better at social situations. These do exist, i have a friend who’s brother went through it and it genuinely helped him become more comfortable and better equipped for social situations. He went from being in high school and having no friends to being able to make tons of them in college. And they’re pretty neurotypical too. Now, it won’t be perfect and you won’t be able to make the autism fully go away. Which is why you need to optimize your att…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:37 PM
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Idk if feeling suicidal about it is necessarily a better situation, but sure I guess. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 11:01 PM
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I’m well aware of this? Why bring up an old topic in a thread from like 2 weeks ago? The conversations have been had, and if you check my post history you’ll know I’m aware of all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:51 PM
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That’s just figuring out life in general and having the experience. Plus, hearing this shit as a teenager might defeat boys before they even try, especially if they’re in a vulnerable mental state (anxiety, depression, etc). I know it would have absolutely stopped me from doing anything I have done for my appearance, even if what you consider I did was softmaxxing. Hell, I probably wouldn’t have even tried to have sex or be in relationships, and I would have missed out on experiences that I’m fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:45 PM
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And? Knowing how to put a condom on doesn’t lead to sex. It’s about knowing how to take the precaution if you find yourself in the position to have sex. Hell a condom isn’t even needed, but if you’re not looking to procreate and don’t know if someone has been tested, it’s safer to use one What, do you want them to have PUA lessons?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:37 PM
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Who said I don’t understand why women do this? All you listed are valid points I understand. I’m not even “blaming” or angry at women for this. If I was able to get casual sex to that level, I’m sure I would do the same thing I’m only depressed that I’m not in that group of men able to actually have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:35 PM
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No? The education system is not here to teach you how to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:29 PM
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Fair enough, in a college setting it is very different. You’re right, being a member of a fraternity does absolutely raise your status in a university sense. Still though, the situation you’re talking about is still rare, that number is quite high and most average looking men don’t get laid that much. Hell, none of my single friends have gotten laid in 2 years, and it’s not for lack of trying. I wanted casual sex and could never get it my entire life. However, if they’re moderately attractive, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:26 PM
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Don’t know why this is such a weird concept. Cheating is not an accident, it never is. There are steps and prior action before the sex/act occurs, and at any time you should have realized what you were doing and stop. You chose to do it, it doesn’t matter what particular choice of gaslighting you attempt, it’s your fault
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:19 PM
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That’s def not the norm. How attractive are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 07:36 PM
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Know thyself
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:00 AM
0

Watching people have to come to terms with that has been admittedly very funny
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:15 AM
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Idk, while I get 18 year old women might have more interest, most women don’t want to settle down, get married and pregnant at 18. Plus, the interest is entirely for fucking and sometimes a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:14 AM
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Yeah I think this is very true in the business world. A friend of mine is a financial advisor, and she’s damn good at it and does very well for herself. She’s told me that most of the time she needs to literally fight to be heard. But, she is very attractive, and I mean like Giga Stacy levels. The men listen because of that, and she’s very aware they only do it because they want to sleep with her. She admitted that if she wasn’t hot, she would be ignored and probably never get a job in the field…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:12 AM
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Because we’re shallow ourselves. What’s the point in calling out something we also would engage in if we could be successful in doing so. I’ll admit I’m not perfect and extremely consistent in my beliefs, but I know with that I’m not going to be a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 10:32 PM
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This has been brought up loads of times on this sub, but i thought this was an interesting experiment. You really don’t know how easy or hard you have it until you live a different life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:01 PM
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I remember that interview, she began to hate other women for how they viewed men and how they treated them. It’s very fascinating to say the least
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:55 PM
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A lot of people here seem to have this crazy reversal of cause and effect While simultaneously telling you that if you do certain actions for a desired outcome, and are disappointed it doesn’t happen, you’re entitled for even trying and expecting the same outcome other people get doing the same things you tried. They’ll say the same “you’re not trying hard enough to get sex/relationship/etc” though as if that’s what’s been holding a person back. It’s also why a lot of advice is “just make sure y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:38 PM
1

Fair enough. I still feel like it’s the same problems. I do appreciate your opinion though, I feel like things are different nowadays compared to when you were dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:09 PM
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Also possibly true. You’d really have to ask them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:58 PM
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I think most attractive men try out casual sex for a bit, not like fucking every week and shit most times, but try it out a few times, realize they don’t like it and then just get into a relationship. The ones who are fucking chicks all the time and have 4 or 5 on their phone for FWBs or like the occasional “I’m drunk and horny” text probably make a sizable majority, but it’s not all of them.!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:34 PM
3

Phony Bologna is rewarded because he’s attractive, that’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:20 PM
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Yeah. I’ve seen it said that women will just create a persona for someone hot enough. People have said before “we’ll if he’s a poser he’ll be rejected”. Nah, that’s just not true. Let him go to a punk show, all he needs is some black jeans and a denim jacket. When the closest thing to punk he’s ever listened to is Smells Like A Teen Spirit, guarantee he’ll take home someone there anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:47 PM
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Yup, Chad can be whatever he wants and he will get laid. It’s all just a costume, what’s under the costume itself is what matters
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:34 PM
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This is too nuanced and measured OP. I’m surprised its allowed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:59 AM
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I think it’s very eye opening too. Like sure he’s good in his “niche”, but when it comes to niche that only pertains to style. If you were to throw him in a Vineyard Vines shirt and put him in the fratty crowd, he’d do extremely well in your local college. If you put him in some gothic costume, he’d do extremely well in your industrial bar. If you put him in a half zip sweater and chinos, he’d do well in the more “20s professionals niche”. My point is that raw physical attributes are what attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:59 AM
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Huh, actually OP I agree with this. Looks is kind of a package deal. Like even if you have a face like Matt Bomer, being 5’2 with no style will still make things extremely difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:45 AM
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I think you’re correct, but with women they can at least more easily become attractive simply because the features men find attractive (presently anyway) can be fixed via hair cuts and color, makeup, workout routine, and clothing. Men are stuck in a fixed position with their looks in some cases as most of the traits women find attractive are for the most part the ones men can’t change. At least she can be a butterface and still find a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 01:31 PM
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You’re correct, but who said you shouldn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 01:26 PM
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Of course. I think this sub has a very bitter view on relationships and dating sometimes, so if you’re here for long enough you too can be bitter; albeit it’s varies in the amount of bitterness though and each person has their own level. However, many people are in happy LTRs with their SOs and feel fulfilled by just them. I have a couple of friends who have only had sex with their partner, one’s been with his gf for 6 years, the other for 10 with his now wife. If you ask them how they feel abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:09 PM
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Nope. That sounds like a win to me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:04 PM
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Sure. You can be a very confident person in one situation and totally insecure and overthink others. Depends on your expertise and comfort. A friend I have is so confident in our friend groups and other friend groups, always funny and making jokes, and can basically talk about anything. Has to go talk to a woman in a romantic or sexual way? Clams up so bad and turns into a bumbling autist. It’s such a 180
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:31 PM
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Fine, we can agree on my point. But how is my point incorrect that the same guy is essentially getting most of the casual sex. I even said it was a MWALT situation and not AWALT. If it wasn’t correct, the guy I described wouldn’t be the one with all the matches on tinder and gets all the attention he does when most men don’t. You keep bringing men into the conversation, but this post isn’t about what men are into. You specifically opened a threat up about women. And you keep being like “but men …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:19 PM
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No, I said they have casual sex with the same dudes, they have relationships with other men where sex is implied, but they don’t hook up with them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:44 PM
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I mean, my physical appearance is kind of the reason I’m not, and my height is part of that considering I’m 5’6. Hookups are entirely looks based, if my personality is shit I wouldn’t be able to find relationships as I do which is based on other factors. It’s funny that I can’t get the thing that’s based on looks, but not the thing based on personality. Not to mention, this whole exchange kind of proves my point in my original comment. My point was that most women are into the same kind of guy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:20 PM
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Lol of course you have. Of course that’s the kind of dude you’re into, like pretty much 95% of women. I never said anything about hypergamy neither, you added that in yourself. It’s actually a meme “Oh yeah it’s not the guy who is tall and has a strong jaw that is always the one getting hookups. But it just so happens it’s the only one I hookup with”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:53 PM
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And level 2 is just not good enough for me personally. And it never will be, I don’t even think I even want to be in relationships. If I could just get casual sex, I’d stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:32 PM
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Fine. But how else did they look? Wait don’t tell me, it’s the guy I described before, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:23 PM
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I’m glad you think they’re overrated, I was never given the option to form my own opinion. It matters because I want the validation of being sexually attractive outside of a relationship. Plus, it determines how attractive you actually are as a man. As a person who has only wanted to be attractive, they are kind of important
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:23 PM
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To be fair, we are insecure about it because we’re sort of given reasons to be constantly, at least in terms of dating/sex. I’d say being 5’6, that being short has not affected my life in any way except when it comes to getting hookups. I can still get relationships, I can maybe count on one hand the amount of times I’ve ever even had a comment directed toward me about it. I have maybe met one person who was negative toward me about it. And I’m 29, you’d think I’d get the treatment they talk abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:12 PM
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I’m not just saying height, I mean all their looks height included. And yes, you have paid attention to height because you put a specific number of the height before Damn, so all men under 6ft never had a hookup? Seems to me you absolutely are, otherwise why put a specific number to their height?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:04 PM
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Let me ask you, when it comes to men you’ve casually hooked up with, what did they look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:52 PM
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To be fair I even admitted that’s like “MWALT” (Most Women Act Like That). Sure, short men have gotten a hookup, but for the most part women don’t hookup with short men. The short dudes that do are like exceptionally attractive facially. Relationships are a much different story, even people on this sub and others have agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:16 AM
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Tall, strong jawline, good hairline, shoulders wider than waist. Most women have casual sex once or twice, and it’s almost always with the dude I described
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:07 AM
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Women go for the same type of dude for hookups for the most part. But even then that MWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:02 AM
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Fucking exactly. That’s why I hate when people are like “just go to a hooker bruh”, it’s not even close to the same thing as getting hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:49 PM
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Here’s the thing, the pillosphere(yuck) hasn’t gotten to the point where you start to bring the other parts of LGBT, hell it barely even discusses homosexuality beyond Lesbians having less sex, and gay men get casual sex easily for obvious reasons. And when you bring bi in the mix it’s always the same “I see from both sides and dating men/women is harder/easier than dating men/women”. Just put them together in whatever order you feel like. I think that’s fine and all too, but gender fluid, trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 05:01 PM
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I think men (and women really) dance around the situation when it comes to men and attractiveness, because people still have this idea that “shallowness” is bad. The first piece of advice should be to figure out what makes you not look like the guys who get women and change that about you. Then you work on your personality, because for many personality is absolutely not the issue as much as Reddit says. I will say I’ve done all I said above for over a decade, except surgery (which was about 3 we…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:14 PM
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Fair enough Edit: I reread your comment, I read it wrong. My bad
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:39 PM
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This thread is so weird, what a strange question. OP’s gotta have some tism based on his/her responses. Anyway, tfw you realize no woman has ever thought of you in this way and every woman here hooks up with same dude. Realizing why I failed wasn’t hard to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:33 PM
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You were in LTRs with those guys, but you wouldn’t hook up with them. Memes write themselves, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:31 PM
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Average guys Let me guess, also just happens they were 6 feet tall and had a strong jaw?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:24 PM
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Psh, all about Yu Gi Oh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:22 PM
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Depends who you ask. If you ask the guys in the 10%, it’s not. If you ask women, it’s not. If you ask the guys not getting any casual sex or attention from women? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:05 PM
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I think Loki gets more simps because he’s famous more than anything. Plus, Tom Hiddleson does have good facial features. That, or they’re virtue signaling. And you’re right. We all know what Fuckboys are and what they look like, and they’re all generally the same in terms of raw physical characteristics. I do think muscles could be taken or left, but they are tall, have a good hairline, and strong facial features (jaw and chin mostly). Sure, I guess the style changes, but the person underneath t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:55 PM
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It depends on the person and their desires. If what you want is casual sex and attention from women, then yeah physical is all that matters. I think you should do it anyway to be your best self, I don’t get any attention from women after all I’ve done, but I still do it because it’s part of my routine and it just is me. Being yourself is good and all, but if no one likes that person you either have to change or deal with being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:47 PM
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The only solution is to become the vision of male attractiveness to the general population of women. Which everything but height can realistically be changed, but even short men can still get lots of attention and hookups if their face is attractive enough. So, lift, put the work into your beauty (grooming habits, haircuts, etc), and if you don’t see results get surgery as there are a wide array of options nowadays for men to use surgery for their facial aesthetics. We’re actually finding a down…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:30 AM
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Height, face?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:40 AM
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Lol colored contacts is your solution? Get out of here with that, you may be delusional. Let me ask you, what did the guys you hooked up with look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:34 AM
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Maybe not all, but most do. I would say an even higher number have it once or twice because it’s available.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:28 AM
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As someone who has spent the last 13 years putting in effort to his clothing by wearing trendy clothes that fit me well and are tailored if required, getting regular haircuts from salons every 3-4 weeks, have had a skincare routine and even gets facials every few months for upkeep, I can tell you it has not got me casual sex whatsoever considering I’ve never been able to get a hookup. None of that is going to fix being 5’6 and having maybe a slightly above average face. Sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:22 AM
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I think you’re right in that women aren’t a hive mind, but you can’t deny that most women will be interested in hooking up with that top 10% man. It’s why that top 10% man is getting most of the matches and most of the casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:19 AM
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I don’t know if there is really a way to solve it from the male side. Sure, men can have all the standards they want, but in the end men are going to end up with the same women anyway. You can’t really ask women to change their preferences either, because you can’t change their minds or what makes them horny. You just sort of have to wait for the trends of what they find attractive possibly changes and hope you fit that mold It’s sort of a problem without a solution
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:16 AM
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I tried it once, I will never do it again. Even if my ex happens to be friends with my friends, I tell them that it’s fine they hang out with them, it’s fine if they stay in contact, but I absolutely won’t myself. I will never bash them in front of our friends, or demand they cut contact. We are adults, we can be civil around each other. You cannot be friends after being intimately involved with someone, even if the decision was a “mutual” one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 10:53 PM
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For relationships, I agree. But for casual sex, they absolutely are. The thing about height is that it’s not so much the exact number of inches/meters, it’s how you look compared to the men around you. In any given bar or club, I look shorter than most of the other dudes there which makes a difference. Not to mention, there are tons of examples of women just straight up rejecting a dude if he’s not tall enough
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 05:31 AM
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Parties, bars, clubs, concerts, festivals, OLD too
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:04 AM
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You should be able to make it your flair, I did it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:50 AM
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Or you can be like me and believe you’re a 5 when you are a 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:40 AM
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Shit, never happened to me. Sex was only available after a relationship was established, or we were on the way to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:36 AM
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Dude, stop acting like you’re short, you’re literally average height unless you’re in the Netherlands. Stop being like “I get laid and I’m the same as you”. We’re not even in the same playing field, I’m 5’6🙄 I also dress nice and have put above average work into my grooming habits for over 13 years at this point, have a great job, live alone, I used to be confident up until 2-3 years ago and I didn’t get laid when I was. The best I could and still am able to get is relationships, and I don’t eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:35 AM
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I mean, you’re right, I won’t die a virgin because I have had sex, but it’s only been via relationships and never casually. Facially I’m maybe only slightly above, I’m the definition of “decent” looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:29 AM
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I am upfront, it doesn’t help me. I’ve not been upfront, it still doesn’t help me. The only thing I can get are relationships Fuck buddies would be fine, but I can’t get them either. Women don’t sleep with me until we either get into a relationship, or the talks have been had and a relationship is on the table. I have never gotten sex on the first date, the soonest for me has been date 3 and even then we’ve already discussed the relationship and it’s about to start anyway. If I bring up being fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:21 AM
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Who says I’m intending to mean intense harm though? A guy ghosting you after sex isn’t the end of the world. I may not care, but I’m not intending to completely ruin a person’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:08 AM
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I could care less what it does to other people tbh. It’s not like I’m the first guy either, plenty of men don’t care what happens after they ghost, they’re just attractive so they can still succeed at it. Doesn’t matter though, I’m 29, it’s not gonna happen for me if it hasn’t already. I did get surgery like 2 weeks ago, I’m hoping it gives me the attention I want
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:02 AM
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To be fair you did just state your face is handsome. I do stick to shorter women, and I still don’t get hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:59 AM
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Because of validation and ego for me personally. That’s cool you outgrew it, I was never even given the option
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:56 AM
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You could also be handsome. A handsome face can and will cancel out height. It’s why short men, who don’t have attractive faces, should be considering surgery
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:38 AM
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Being short. You can do all you said above and you’ll still just be short. I dress impeccably in clothes that fit well or are tailored, my hair has always been thick and I get it cut regularly, skin has always been good (I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve had acne), but I have a skincare routine and I even get facials once every 3 months for upkeep. Nails is just normal hygiene. I’ve been doing this for 13 or so years. Physique wise I’ve been going to the gym for years, but not fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:35 AM
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But the holy grails are exactly what you’re saying are not. When a man is having issues dating, the only thing he needs to do is become more attractive and those issues will go away for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:28 AM
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LTR maybe, but casual sex is impossible when you’re short. Women don’t want to hook up with a short dude
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:26 AM
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True. In college I knew a guy with an ugly face, like objectively ugly, and he had long hair with a slight receding hairline. Pretty skinny too. He still had chicks thirsting after him because he was like 6’7 and was literally always the tallest dude in the room. I think if you’re short or average height, a very handsome face will save you, the shorter you are, the more like Matt Bomer your face needs to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:22 AM
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How would I know? Like do I ask “are you an FDSer?”Idk why or how it would even come up in conversation, unless they say something really shitty like what the incels in drag say. But if they’re down to say it, then I guess I’d have to rethink it if someone is really here thinking that shit about my gender. I’d still hook up with them if they’re hot though, no doubt about that, there’s no ideology around that would make me not want to if I think they’re hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:18 AM
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I’d be curious if it’s the same guy constantly leveling up. Like for example, casual sex is what I have always wanted from the getgo, relationships is what I got. What do you care though if I want more? It’s not like I didn’t actually try yo get it, I literally got surgery to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:38 PM
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Actually I would say that stability, health and quality of any relationship I’ve ever had has been fine as I was before. The women I was with did genuinely care about me, and genuinely find me attractive. They were the only ones though. So really, if you’re looking at it from that perspective, I’m very successful at getting and maintaining relationships, I just can’t casual sex. And I agree you gotta get multiple unless you’re “almost” there. You can check my profile picture if you’re curious wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:51 PM
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Well, originally I went in for a chin implant, but the surgeon felt it wouldn’t actually be aesthetic based on a few factors of my face currently. He did say that a better option to define the chin and jawline itself would be chin and neck lipo, I don’t have a double chin but there was some fullness. He also recommended Buccal fat removal (cheeks) but I decided against it due to the effects it can have later in life. He said if I don’t like it, or if I’m not totally happy we can possibly do fill…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:13 PM
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Fine, but your advice is directed at average men who can’t get hookups. So you actually kind of do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:19 PM
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I do fine in getting relationships, just not causal sex. Just like every average guy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:18 PM
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I’m not saying you specifically. Sure there are men that just don’t care. But if a majority of men didn’t care about the ego and validation, then honestly most men would just go to hookers. It’s cheaper in the long run
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:14 PM
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Just because they let you hang out doesn’t mean they actually find you attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:11 PM
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Casual sex isn’t about the orgasm for many men, it’s about the ego and validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:10 PM
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At about 18 I realized this. Girl “friendzones” me, that’s cool, I say “I don’t see you as a friend” and then walk away. It’s really not that hard, plus usually she doesn’t consider her friendzoned guys as a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:54 PM
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Man, are you really being this serious? Obviously it’s generalities
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:49 PM
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Maybe you’re not average
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:49 PM
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I never even imagined I’d get hookups from a Stacy, I would have been absolutely happy with a Becky. And I did put in the effort, I still got no attention or casual sex. I decided to get surgery, and I’m still healing from my cosmetic surgery a few weeks ago so we’ll see if I get attention or not. Also men don’t care if she “ghosts” after hooking up, all we wanted was to fuck her for the night anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:48 PM
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I actually agree that society doesn’t owe men sex or casual sex, but I will say as a guy who did put in the effort for his physical appearance and didn’t find success, I’m definitely still disappointed and depressed about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:45 PM
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Hookers however don’t actually accomplish what you think they do. There’s no actual validation from the experience, it’s all pretend. She doesn’t actually want to be there or find you attractive, the only reason she’s even there is because you’re paying her to and she’s counting down the minutes til you’re done
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:43 PM
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To even qualify, you need your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:09 PM
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Dan Blizerian is a rich and attractive guy who is probably fun to be around and people feel comfortable around. Sure, I guess people who are salty they cannot have the same life might think he’s a “bad dude”, but we don’t even know what it’s like to party with him, how generous he may be with his drugs, etc. For all we know he could be the best host, guest, or client.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:23 PM
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Doesn’t mean the NDA won’t be held up or used in court though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:21 PM
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I think you’re going too far into relationships at the end there, I think FWBs is farthest OP wants to go
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:49 PM
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The validation is what I want casual sex for, not the actual act itself. If it truly was just sex, men would just go to hookers
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:56 PM
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It’s an ego thing, but more for the fact that she’s like super into them. So I think what you said is spot on, idk from personal experience, but honestly if I could I would do the same as that’s what I’d be looking to do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:47 PM
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Yup. Wife/gf goggles exist, and despite what FDS says, men do love their female significant others and that love can and will continue
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:33 PM
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Possibly because they can’t get the more attractive ones
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:09 PM
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For hook ups it was always the hot dudes (income unknown). For relationships it was average income attractive men and average income average men. Being average didn’t write them off for relationships, but it did for hook ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:40 PM
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Depends on the age of the woman, the point she is in life, and what she is looking for. If she’s looking for a hookup, or is in college or early 20s, she isn’t going to care about the uglier high status/high earning male if she’s got the hot guy within reach, even for a relationship. If a relationship does form, if all he has are looks it won’t last, but she’ll absolutely hook up with the low income hot dude considering she is also most likely broke, but not broke enough to need a sugar daddy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:03 PM
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I got nothing to hide
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:10 PM
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5’6 and yes. I’ll admit it was taken by a photographer, but it’s the raw version of said photograph
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:16 PM
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the distinction shrinks every day I think because TRP still thinks it’s 2003 for the most part and they haven’t realized how different it is. I’ve seen dudes in their 40s legitimately try to talk about the casual sex market now, and all of their tips and tricks work the same. It’s like a boomer or Gen Xer giving a zoomer advice on how to get a job like they did when they were out of college. It’s nowhere even close to the same as it was Blackpill is making more prevalence because it was always i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:51 PM
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I think being short is a detriment. I would say that it hasn’t necessarily made finding relationships difficult for me, but has completely made casual sex out of reach for me. Women do not want to hook up with short men, that’s just reality, unless they are like extremely handsome looking. It’s interesting to see it put into words via studies, but I’m sure you’re gonna get the same BS responses of “it don’t matter”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:17 PM
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I’m confused, are you saying the last two comments are blackpill or redpill? The first one I think it’s definitely more redpill, but the second feels much closer to blackpill. It’s true btw, but it’s interesting to see Redpill more or less agree with it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:11 PM
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True, and it’s because they know it’s a much harder to fix, if it can be at all. I don’t think there are that many truly hopeless males
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:03 PM
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Yeesh, you’re right. I read through and was like “so you are fine being passed over for sex?”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:59 PM
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I have never even been given the opportunity to cheat, though if it did I doubt I would honestly. I’d maybe break up with whatever woman I’m with, but that’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:27 PM
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I wouldn’t be hard on yourself. You figured it out and learned from your mistakes. Takes a lot of mental maturity to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:24 PM
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Yeah, your last sentence I agree with. Be up front, don’t waste your time thinking it’ll grow. Granted it might be hard to realize this when you’re a teenager, but if you’re out of high school and doing this you got something wrong with you. It’s more common sense than anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:19 PM
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Well you can see mine as my profile picture. But, yes a kind Chad will always beat out an asshole normie, any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:36 AM
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How is that socially feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:43 PM
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I’m honestly tired of the thread every week too tbh. Yes, I agree with the OP, idk if it’s necessarily moral or immoral (it’s a bit far), but it is an insult for sure as a guy. Regardless of intention, that is how I feel as a man. I get what you’re supposedly going for, but it’s not the impact you keep thinking it does. All that happens is: Men: “Yes, it shouldn’t happen and it’s not fair that if she supposedly likes me I gotta wait while Chad didnt.” Women: “Well she only wanted sex from them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:56 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying. Being nice is fine, being a doormat is not. And by being a doormat I mean a guy who is ultra agreeable even if he doesn’t want to be, afraid to speak his own mind (until he’s been rejected), and when it’s time puts his foot down. He lets the world walk all over him in the hopes he can please everyone, and have everyone like him but that’s not how you get folks to like you. You’re not what I consider a NiceGuy, just a nice person, which is totally fine
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:28 PM
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Then fair enough, you are consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:50 PM
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Which is a stupid misconception, I’ll admit that any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:01 PM
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Right, but from a man’s perspective this is more of an insult. I get it, women don’t view sex in the same way, but do not pretend that this scenario is a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:01 PM
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Some promiscuous women can actually give good advice to dudes, being they know what actually works on them. A coworker of mine says the best wing man he ever had was a woman believe it or not. But these are few and far between, most women project their desires into the men they want
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:58 PM
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“Bad boys” are usually just dudes who are attractive that aren’t doormats, at least when it comes to the view of NiceGuys as NiceGuys feel being a doormat is the true meaning of being Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:56 PM
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Oh, I know the reason, I was trying to get her to that point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:23 PM
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I mean, I did used to be confident and never even thought of my height as a negative. Even when I was confident, I still didn’t get laid man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:32 AM
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I do care if I hurt people, but I also have to worry about myself and my own needs. If I want to have sex with women who want to be there, this is the only option
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:22 PM
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I’ve spent more than a decade of trying, problem is my height. I’m 5’6, and women don’t want to hook up with a short dude. Even people on this and other subs admit to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:20 PM
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Lol idk, it’s not exactly coming up in conversation. I guess they don’t care, or they don’t figure it out, because it’s not like I tell them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:39 PM
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Oh they’re there to bang and bounce, just not with me. I’m not attractive enough for that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:37 PM
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Oh they’re there to bang and bounce, just not with me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:37 PM
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To be fair, I do browse PPD. You should have already realized I’m retarded
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:07 PM
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I would if I could
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:06 PM
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I really don’t believe that will happen. People will still make families, because most people don’t want to die alone, even if that person you die with doesn’t make you the happiest
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:37 PM
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Pretty much, just complaining about something different
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:36 PM
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Nah, I’m good. I wouldn’t say I’m a danger to women, I still stay with them because relationships are the only way I can get sex. It’s not like it’s that hard to find one, but I’d trade it to be a hot Fuckboy any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:35 PM
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It’s not exactly that easy for most men, you do realize that right? Most men cannot get casual sex from women, I have literally never been able to my entire life. And trust me, I’d much rather have that. You need to be attractive enough for that to actually happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:34 PM
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I mean, if she’s attracted to me enough to fuck on the first date, I’d much rather be the casual sex guy than the dude who has to wait and get a shitty end of the deal
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:33 PM
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On a grand scale? Nothing, male sexlessness isn’t going to tear society down, and I say that as a sexually unsuccessful guy. Maybe birth rates will go down, but I doubt women will stop wanting to settle down, even if it’s later. Really though, we should look at why that happens, and no it doesn’t have to do with dating. On personal scales? Probably see more depression in men, lack of fulfillment. Maybe more coping mechanisms will go up such as drugs, but drugs are pretty accessible, even the ill…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 05:56 PM
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I think I saw you made this argument before, but this is not a realistic one. I do treat all the women I want to be sexually and romantically involved with the same, and that’s what we’re talking about. Bringing up people I don’t know, or my relatives is completely irrelevant because they don’t fit into the situation in any way. You’re grasping, let’s stick to dating. But yes, I do treat every women when it comes to dating equally
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 05:13 PM
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I agree, I don’t have sympathy either, but I’m just being realistic. Really, the only advice is to do whatever is necessary to become attractive, surgery if required so you can have casual sex organically and not in a manipulative way. That’s what I’ve spent my whole life doing, except surgery which I got last Friday and I’m healing now. Based on the results, I’ll see if I gotta do anything additional to my face. Escorts don’t give men the validation, it’s not just about the actual act of sex it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:19 PM
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I mean, you’re right it is manipulation, but what options are there for these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:10 PM
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I mean, what if you don’t even really want to be in a relationship bf would just rather have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:04 AM
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So, she has more boundaries with the relationship guy? That’s not exactly fair, or consistent at all. It’s extremely dishonest of her to do that to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:52 AM
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So, the relationship guy, who she supposedly likes more, should get the worse deal than the casual sex guys? Seems kind of funny she’s not giving him her best when she’s done it so many times before
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:34 AM
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I did, but why does that relationship guy have more “rules” when it comes to sex? She likes him doesn’t she? What, did she hate the casual sex dudes so they get faster sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:28 AM
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You’re taking PPD too seriously tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:25 AM
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Right, but why not fuck on the first date? Why did those guys get “break the rules”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:20 AM
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If most men could be successful by saying “I want something casual”, then they would. But that’s not the case at all. Most men can only get sex via a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:19 AM
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Realism maybe, but you don’t get to tell men how to feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:15 AM
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Why does nobody seem to get this when it’s commented or posted about every time? No guy wants to be the “relationship guy”. Sorry, I don’t feel good if you thought I was so great you made me wait, while you gave it up to dudes on the first date or just a tinder hookup. I think women don’t get it, because they don’t care about sex the same way men do, and I think that’s where the disconnect is. To men, sex is validation, if is fulfillment, it has a lot of meaning, even if it’s just personal ego r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:06 AM
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I mean, yeah I’m decent looking, but that’s like being slightly above average. I’m also short, which most women don’t hook up with short dudes. And no not “i’m 5’9 im a manlet” im actually visually shorter than most men at 5’6. My height combined with my slightly above average face just evens out to average. And yeah I’ve tried plenty fo different approaches. Fact is, I have a friend who is what the general population would consider handsome, and I’ve just never received any sort of treatment he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:31 PM
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I mean, I also have hobbies and interests that I’m particularly good that I have received compliments on (never my physical looks though). And I have had relationships where my partner was incredibly into me. And no, it doesn’t suffice for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:22 PM
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Validation and ego mostly. However, I understand if you don’t understand, to be fair though you are you and I am me. We have different desires
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:16 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 09:49 PM
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Went that angle too, tried bars, clubs, parties, concerts, and festivals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:58 PM
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It wasn’t me holding onto society’s morals, i couldn’t care less on society’s morals, I just couldn’t get it on the first date. Even if I did act sexually early on, and escalated. They were never into it. Which is why i stopped after so many times and realized the only way for me to get sex is via relationships. If I ever got sex on the first date, or via tinder, or the bar, then it’s different. But I have had enough experience to know that women don’t find me attractive for a casual hookup. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:35 PM
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True, but did you have to wait through multiple dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:14 PM
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Yeah, this is true. It’s delusional, and it’s something I suffered from myself. Really, once I figured out I just wasn’t attractive all those rejections and shit made a lot of sense. She was never going home with me from the start, she was never going to sleep with me on the first date. I was disqualified before even starting. And then I had a huge breakdown over it, I still haven’t recovered mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:11 PM
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Well fine for the guy. Maybe not for the girl, but who cares. And I still have sex with them before we become “official”. But usually the talks are already had and the relationship is more or less on the table, and i tel them that’s what I’m looking for. The sex happens, but it’s in the context of the relationship happening. Usually it’s around date 3 or 4 or we hang out on our third of 4th time, we have sex. Usually if we haven’t by then I just kinda ghost or I’ll say “it’s not working for me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:03 PM
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I think it’s hard to quantify the number and to why, it depends on other factors that are person to person. Maybe they give up for differing reasons which you have to look st
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 04:39 PM
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True, but you can only be a fish in that pond if you’re into what’s in the water. Like for me, I’m not really into a lot of what the communities are selling. I want the kind of sex most of the population wants when it comes to casual sex, but the issue is I’m not one of the men in terms of looks who can get it, so I’m pretty SOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:30 PM
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Yeah. It’s like a rich dude telling a poor one that money isn’t all that great. Id rather find out for myself than take your word for it and you thinking what’s best for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:27 PM
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I think you’re right, people just need to come out and say it. But when they do it’s always the same responses from women: “Why do you want it? It won’t give you fulfillment. You should try yo find a relationship”. There was an entire thread on here a few years back (I’ve been here that long, yuck) where someone asked how a “nerd”(really he meant average guy) can go about getting casual sex. And there were the usual TRP responses, some good, some unrealistic. But one said the same one I said, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:39 PM
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Hit the nail on the head. I want no part of a family I didn’t help create unless I have kids of my own. My buddy at work is 50 and has a 15 year old daughter he’s divorced and is dating someone with a 12 year old son. He’s mixing both families, both of them are parents from a prior relationship. Now take a guy like me, who is 29 with no kids or prior marriage and toss me into something like that, hard pass
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:37 PM
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Rejection with successes is fine, because it’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to everyone. But if you get rejected and continue to find no success, that’s a whole nother story. Eventually you just sort of give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:33 PM
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Exactly. The only thing holding incels back from getting sex is their physical appearance. It’s the only thing holding any man back from getting sex. The only thing you can’t change is your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:26 PM
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That’s still not going to work. Most Incels already feel that way, but their experience shows that the women just don’t want it from them. The only advice to give any incel is Become attractive. Go the fitness route first, but if you’re not getting attention then get surgery. Idk why people get so worked up about surgery, it’s worth every penny especially when you see the folks after double jaw surgery, jaw implants, rhinoplasty, hair transplants, etc. And it’s always the same response from guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 12:59 PM
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r/seduction is the stupidest subreddit ever. The tips and strategies they use don’t work unless you’re actually attractive. One time I saw a dude say “when you’re at a bar, order a drink next to a girl you find cute, and then go sit down and wait for her to come to you”. And his photos on his profile showed he was what most women consider attractive, but he’s talking like it’s all his game. Nah man, it’s not your game, if you spent any time trying the same shit as an average man you’d fail. Whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 12:51 PM
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The women seem fine with me as a partner. I’ll go through years without being in a relationship and getting no hookups in between. I get tired of not getting sex so I find a relationship. It’s not the preferred situation, but it is what it is. And I do have happy relationships with them, and do put my all into being a partner to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:42 PM
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100 a month is such an unbelievable number man. No dude alive is gonna hit that number a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:39 PM
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100 a month? Man, how many do you do before finding success?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:31 PM
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I mean, I got a high enough number of attempts to say I played the game. When you have no success, yeah you kind of stop trying and realize it’s a losing battle. I would feel different if there was any success, but having absolutely none for casual sex? C’mon And plenty of women sleep with a guy off tinder man, they just only want to do it with specific men. It’s true that that women want to have lots of casual sex, but most have had it one or two times, and it’s always with the same kind of guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:19 PM
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I mean, by date 3 that’s kind of when you know you like someone enough for a relationship. It’s actually quite common. They definitely don’t want FWBs, otherwise we’d just be that. They want a relationship with me, and that’s about it. I suppose it is manipulation in a way, but just to re-do the cycle over and over again and have to wait for sex is honestly something I’m not into.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:17 PM
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The issue is that when I do mention that when I’m looking for casual sex, they either ghost outright, or say they’re not into it. And if I try to escalate on date 1, they pull away and are not for sure not receptive to it. I’m bold enough, they just don’t want to have casual sex with me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:12 PM
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You literally just said that any dude can get a relationship though lol. There’s nothing validating about being middle of the road. The men having trouble are just dudes who don’t put effort into their style and shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:44 PM
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I mean, it’s not like the sex happens immediately. It happens once being in a relationship is on the table. Someone asked when it happens usually and it’s about the 3rd date. I do stay with these women though, I don’t just ghost them. Realistically if I’ve gone and paid for multiple dates, I actually do at least like you. If I just sort of ghosted them after the deed, it’s a little manipulative and defeats the purpose of why I want casual sex at all in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:43 PM
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Right, but do you hook up with them? Ya know like ONS and FWBs?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:22 PM
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Okay lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:22 PM
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Not really flattered honestly, because all I want is casual sex. Like you said, any guy can find a relationship. Plus it’s not like I’ve got women trying to poach me, usually I have to present myself that I’m looking for one which I don’t do while in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:17 PM
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I think it depends. I have seen women throw themselves at Chads, but it’s not that common and only sort of happens at bars or parties and they’re a little fucked up. On r/tinder there are posts showing women throw themselves at Chads, or women being very receptive to stuff most would consider borderline creepy and too forward. But that’s just online. Chads still do need to approach and not be totally autistic. I’ve seen women approach men before, but for the most part women give serious IOIs bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:11 PM
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Yup, that’s why I want casual sex, you’re absolutely right. Some men do, but let’s be real most men feel the way I do. Otherwise they’d go to hookers and not bother with trying to get hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:57 PM
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Nah, because sex only becomes available once the idea of relationships are on the table, and don’t happen until like date 2 or 3. Casual sex would be like ONS and FWBs. And the only women I’ve been able to fuck are the ones I’ve been in relationships with. I mean I guess I could do what you said, but that’s kind of manipulative and defeats the purpose as to why I want the casual sex in the first place. And it’s kind of manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:52 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:50 PM
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As a man, it takes a pretty low amount of time. I wouldn’t say I’m even extremely motivated, but I’m still going into it with the mindset of finding a gf. It never really takes longer than a month or two, and usually it takes so long because I’m picky and really look at the whole package, not necessarily because I was ghosted (although it has happened a couple of times, didn’t make a big deal and moved on). The women I date aren’t below average either, one was even a Stacy, but she was pretty mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:39 PM
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Well tbh, women on the spectrum don’t have the same problem as men on the spectrum. Many times, being autistic doesn’t even factor provided she tries with her physical appearance. Both in hookups, and relationships (unless she’s like super off) But, let me ask you, have you ever hooked up casually with a guy who is on the spectrum? Or dated a guy who is on the spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 04:30 PM
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Yeah but how much on the spectrum are you? Like can you act socially acceptable and not like a “y-you too”er from /fit/? Oh and are you a woman or man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 03:56 PM
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I have dated a woman like this. She had one gf before dating me, and I was the first guy she had sex with. She was down at like date 3, and had a high sex drive after. She was 20, I was 24 at the time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:33 PM
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I guess n count for me is penetrative sex via a new male partner. I don’t really care if she was a gold star lesbian, those don’t really count in my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:27 PM
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You said it, it’s perspective. A man with a high n count doesn’t really care if she has a high n count too. There will always be a man who feels a woman has too high an n count unless that woman is a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:25 PM
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For casual sex the only thing you need is physical attraction and a basic understanding of how to not act like an autist. Despite what many say, an attractive guy can fuck up his chances by his personality, it’s just that being attractive is what is needed to even qualify. For women, they want the hottest guy they can get and is DTF (which let’s face it, most men are), so their casual sex threshold is much higher than what may be for an LTR partner. LTR meanwhile does require attraction, but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:22 PM
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Way I see it, cuck’s a cuck, no matter who you’re with
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 06:12 PM
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OP, there has always been beautiful, there has always been ugly. There will always be something that makes someone better than those around them and sets them apart. The definition of what makes a person beautiful will change and those that meet the definition would be sought after more
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:37 PM
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I think putting an exact amount of days is super autistic. It just happens, go with the flow. Some exes I never loved, others I knew I love them in like a few dates
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:36 PM
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Not to mention, many of these countries are very family oriented. It sounds good on paper, but when I say family oriented I mean you essentially belong to the In Laws as well and you have to do everything for them. You don’t just get to take her, they are part of every decision My buddy married a first Gen Vietnamese woman (her parents immigrated from Vietnam), and when I tell you how much his life has to flip upside down when they’re even considering to come you’d be amazed. Plus, in many of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:30 PM
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I love how people don’t realize that going overseas as a man for a wife is just being a Betabuxx with a ton more steps
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 02:52 PM
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The issue is that you’ll be going to another country just to bring her back to the US. Like why not just stay there? You’re going through all this trouble to learn a new language, spend the time to find a job overseas and be sponsored to be there, and spend the money to get there. Then you gotta go through all the trouble to get a marriage license, deal with immigration for them because that opens a new bunch of issues, oh and then find another new job when you get back. Like it just seems so si…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:17 AM
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I see these posts and I’m often sad that other men have spent so much time hiding their emotions out of fear, or they’re just bad pickers of partners and need to get better. I have been vulnerable with my exes, all of them. I have talked about my emotions, my fears, my “feelings”, and I have never received any sort of treatment as you described. And I’ve had these relationships through HS, college and my 20s. Their attraction to me never stopped. They still took photos with me, posted about me, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:12 PM
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A person who is full never thinks about food or craves it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:07 PM
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Yeah. “The good men” are just dudes with no other hoes, but the women don’t want those dudes because the men with no other hoes are physically unattractive (yes that includes average looking men)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:05 PM
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I feel like being that it’s basically a meme, I don’t think anyone says it seriously anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:05 PM
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My friends are literally in one now. They met in college, they’ve been together for 10 years and just got married. I knew him before her, but at this point I consider both extremely close friends. He gets no attention from women whatsoever, she’s at least above average. I still see her eyes follow him when he walks around the room, she has such love and desire for him it makes me sick. I have always been able to feel intense love and attraction from my exes, a few of them I met via social media …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 03:57 AM
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Depends on how they carry the weight honestly and how much more weight we’re talking. If she becomes thick in the right places, cool with me. If not and she loses her shape, then nah I gotta move on
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:03 PM
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Depends on their goals. I had a friend whose entire point to going to the gym was to become more attractive and get a gf. He gained a lot of the weight back and he’s been with her for 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:02 PM
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Yeah, it’s over. Like any relationship, romantic or platonic, if both parties are not in the same frame of mind toward the relationship, it will not be able to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:00 PM
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According to FDS, it’s a man who is independent, desirable by others, but essentially lives for her. Like he’s attractive so other women want him so she can feel good. He has a social life so he can choose her over it. He makes money to spend it on her. Every facet of his life is there for her benefit over his. At least from what I’ve gathered. To me, I think I high value man is a guy who is a caring and respectful person, but is not a doormat. And I guess he’s at least a 6(?) in looks, and make…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 09:59 PM
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Women don’t get stuck in a never ending loop of porn addiction. At some point, the thing you jack off to is too boring, so you gotta up the ante and go for something new. Or they click on a video and “accidentally” find a nee fetish they find hot
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:07 PM
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You do realize that surgery is unattainable to like… 90% of short men right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:21 AM
1

This.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:13 AM
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Saw that too. “Contact me on OnlyFans to meet”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:10 AM
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A good point. I feel like every other girl on Twitter that I see retweeted has one now. And they’re trying so hard to fight to get subs, posting the videos of them fucking or doing something, using different fetishes to find the niche they can make money in. Most girls on OF are literally making pennies, most have another job of some kind or they’re in college hoping it helps pay the rent. When a market is this saturated, finding even a way to get into it is impossible. The only way they can suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:06 AM
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Because the young girls aren’t attracted to older Betas either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 02:56 PM
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It’s a scam to prey on men who are unattractive. You might as well start simping for chicks on OnlyFans, it’s just as useless
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 04:21 PM
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It won’t make a difference. Prostitution being illegal doesn’t make people not want to do it, it’s the stigma, shame, and overall lack of validation for why men don’t do it. In the US, plenty of people do things even if they’re not “legal”. How many people did you know in college or HS drank underage? How many people smoke weed in states where it’s illegal. How many people do Cocaine, Meth, Crack, other drugs when they’re illegal? I promise, a guy using a prostitute has nothing with the legality…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 04:09 PM
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It’s because, again, most women are into the same kind of guy. I understand that looks are “subjective” but only to a point. There are men with certain traits that will appeal to a much higher majority of women, and while that man won’t be attractive to maybe 2 out of 10 women in a given group, he’s still attractive to 8 of them. It’s so binary because if you’re not one of the top 20%, then 80% of the women won’t be interested. Or I think it’s more like 10% and 90% respectively or some shit now.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:06 PM
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I think that while their style choices and lyrics may be “feminine”, these men still have masculine physical features. Most Kpop stars are first and foremost, average height to tall. They also have masculine frames, one member of BTS I think has a natural shoulder/waist ratio that’s like in the 95th percentile of men. Even if they’re skinny, they’re not like a rectangle, they’re the inverted triangle still. They also don’t have weak jaws either, not like the stereotypical Chad thundercock jaw, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:03 PM
1

Depends, tell me about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 06:33 PM
1

Alright I didn’t get what you meant. I agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:50 PM
1

Right, but you just said that that relationships are easy if you can get causal sex, but I find relationships without being able to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:43 PM
1

I’d like the ability to make that choice for myself
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:42 PM
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I mean I can’t get casual sex, I wasn’t going for it with just 7+/10s and shit. I would be totally fine with an average girl
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:42 PM
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I mean, idk why everyone’s gotta sugarcoat it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:41 PM
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I mean, I can. I can’t get casual sex to save my life, but relationships ain’t that hard
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:18 PM
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I think your comment comes with good intentions, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:17 PM
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For me, it’s because of what it actually means passed the act of sex. If it was just pussy, I could go to a hooker, but it’s more about the validation and admittedly ego that casual sex provides a guy. Any guy like the OP said can find a relationship, but most men can’t get casual sex, and if you can then you indeed are attractive. It’s the only really sure fire way to find out where you stand. I however have not be able to achieve this. So I am not successful
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:07 PM
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Yeah. I can’t get casual sex and I am absolutely miserable. My misery doesn’t interfere with finding relationships, because they’re easy enough to get like any guy, but I would say I’m not fulfilled overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:57 PM
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This is only for attractive people for the most part, at least when it comes to the casual sex and flirting. Most men just enter a relationship for the fact that regular sex with someone they’re hopefully attracted to with us on the table
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:14 PM
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Success in dating for me would be casual sex, or at least the option of casual sex. I think a low percentage of men are able to achieve this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:12 PM
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I have a 5’4 average friend blah blah blah Lol, sure you do. I’m sociable as well man, if not I wouldn’t have been able to be able to meet and hang with different groups throughout my life. And I ain’t got not girls coming up to me on the weekends. C’mon man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 10:08 AM
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Man, this is depressing. I hope shit has improved in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:48 AM
1

Bro, what are you even on about? You do realize that putting in effort and caring about your appearance is what can make someone better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:44 AM
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I’ve already put the effort into my appearance. Ive been putting in above average work into my skin, hair, and clothing. I had a side gig as a personal shopper, stylist and wardrobe consultant so I had to show I knew what I was doing. I’ve always had good, clear skin with barely any acne, even then I had a skin routine. Regular haircuts every 4 weeks at a salon where I find hair styles that fit my face shape, and clothing that fits my body well, and if it doesn’t I get it tailored I’ve been exer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:30 AM
1

Shit, I pay like $45 plus tip for my cut every 4 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:09 AM
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I’d rather them just be straight up in that their not feeling it. I also don’t need the “you’re a great guy, but” wall of text. Just say “it’s not working for me” and be done with it. Be an adult and be straight up, idk why that’s hard
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:05 AM
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Well yeah, of course it’s because I have no other perspective. It’s fine you feel the way I do, but I couldn’t care less how you feel. It’s like a rich person telling a poor one money is overrated. I’d rather the ability to form my own opinion rather than just take your word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 02:51 AM
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This is common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 12:28 AM
1

Ah, that also makes some sense
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 09:25 PM
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Yeah, but thankfully most faces can be improved via surgery
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:40 PM
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Higher than I’d guess, cool. Is it the same for relationships as it is for hookups or are hookups different?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:37 PM
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I think they’re more known for having a huge dick, that’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:36 PM
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Lmao, I was like “damn, I somehow got insulted yet complimented”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:21 PM
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Appreciate it. Still though, relationships are just not that hard for a guy to get like you said. If you’re boring, have nothing to talk about, have no aspirations or hobbies other than like video games or going to the gym, then yeah if you’re average looking you’re gonna have some issues. It’s why if you’re average you gotta make up for that shit and just live your life. If you live it with intention, you’ll eventually have some cool life experiences to bring up on a date that will make you mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:52 PM
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I mean you can see my profile picture. I don’t even know if I look like any celebs 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:29 PM
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I do think that getting gfs just isn’t that hard. I’m short, literally 5’6, so I’m not a 5’8 guy crying about being short. I look short compared to other dudes, and many dudes on this sub and others say it’s basically the suicide zone if you’re below 5’6. I have one of, if not the biggest, strike against a guy in the Us. And I do just fine in terms of finding relationships, they’ve always been easy to get even when I was in like HS and college. I do have to at least put myself out there, but whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:18 PM
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I’m a guy and have heard this from ex gfs, especially the lip thing. I’ve been told I have really nice lips “for a white guy” multiple times. Ex gfs have complemented my nose. Had a couple say I have a nice jawline. Granted, no other women has ever been obsessed with me in this way other than the women I’ve been with and during the time I’ve been their bf they were the only women interested. So I think the “boyfriend goggles” thing is real
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:10 PM
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Lmao yeah alcohol doesn’t change anything about whether she wants to fuck. Women will want to hook up with dudes stone cold sober, you just gotta be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:04 PM
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Lmao as a guy who started drinking when I was 21 and I’m 29 now, I still do not like the taste. I drink because I want to be drunk, and after a certain point you just don’t taste it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:03 PM
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A handsome man is a “plus” for me but I place importance on intellect, ambition and success far above looks That’s cool, but who are you having casual sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:27 AM
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Both could improve their SMV, depending what they get done and how it looks. When it comes to surgery, the less people who can tell you’ve had it done, the better. Plenty of times people will go way overboard and it will result in them looking off no matter what they did. If you want to increase your SMV via surgery, talk to the surgeon about one thing, harmony. You need facial harmony, or body harmony, that’s what people find attractive. You might want a giant chin, jaw, or tits, but if it look…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:24 AM
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Honestly, as someone who has only been able to find relationships, I beg to differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:09 AM
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Yeah. Know a guy who didn’t do this, then got married and spent his early 30s cheating on his wife. They eventually divorced, but his mindset was “I gotta make up for lost time”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:53 AM
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Guess those women he’s fucking can’t sense it huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:51 AM
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Goal has always been to get ONS, FWBs, any version of casual sex. I have failed at that miserably, and I won’t be able to meet that goal. I have asked advice and it’s never worked for me. Is what it is at this point. I’m miserable about it for sure, but idk I guess I’ve accepted it and don’t even hold out for the possibility anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:50 AM
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Same. If casual sex was in the cards for me, I’d just do that and stay out of relationships. My friends and family give me the companionship I need, the only thing they can’t is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:49 AM
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Then you guys should be more clear about this I mean, I am. And I feel like a lot of men on here are as well. The only ones saying 80% of men are Incels are, well, the incels
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:43 PM
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Well, yeah no one is denying that men can get dates, and get sex via relationships. I feel like this is said a dozen times a day. What we mean is that the top 20% is getting almost all the casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:28 PM
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That’s really nice tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:06 AM
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If a guy or girl is hot enough, he/she can be as crazy as they want. Anecdotal so I’m gonna get the “ackshually” from someone, but back in college I used to hang with a group, and one of them was everything a Chad is essentially. Swimmer, 6’3, attractive face, fit, blah blah blah. Anyway, he would get laid weekly by not only the chicks on his team, but everywhere. And the next morning he would slut shame the fuck out of these girls, and say the most mysoginistic things you can think in public wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:05 AM
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Jesus thank god. What was with everyone this time?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:52 PM
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As someone who has been doing it for over a decade, yeah I agree. I even go as far as going to the tailor if needed to ensure my clothes actually fit better. Regular haircuts every month at salons, using different kind of hair waxes or clays (Kevin Murphy is my favorite) and Pai Shau for hair health. Skincare routine too, but I’m lucky to naturally just not have acne aside from the occasional pimple that happens once a year if at all. Sunscreen when I go out too, got to make sure your face doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:15 PM
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Funny enough you described my style pretty perfectly, I added a slight bit of streetwear when I got into Js, but that was maybe 6 months ago and it’s not something I wear constantly, just when I wear the shoes because it would look weird wearing a J Crew half zip and 1s. And i promise you that niche wasn’t going for me either lol. Still appreciate the comment king. I don’t even think there is a niche for me for that, I’ve never come across it in 29. I can find relationships easily, that’s about …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:07 PM
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I am aware
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:13 PM
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5’6
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:49 PM
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I am short. So I’m essentially unattractive anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:52 PM
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Yes it’s me. But I will say that photo was taken by a photographer, even if it is the “raw” shot he took
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:39 PM
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Lol I was joking. As if I don’t know the reason, it’s because I’m not attractive enough. I don’t even get attention from women when I’m single
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:45 PM
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Shit, I’ve been in relationships tons of times and this never happens. I don’t think I’ve even received one DM from another woman while being in a relationship. Idk, guess I’m doing something wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:30 PM
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Past experiences, upbringing, chemical imbalances, autism, just being retarded all around, idk there are plenty of reasons why everyone is so full of hate here
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:22 PM
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Yeah, but she’s over the top with her bluntness, like sometimes I swear she is trolling because she’s trying way too hard
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:20 PM
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King shit
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:40 PM
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Not really. But lookism.net was it for men, or looksmax.net. I will say Lookism was pretty brutal though, if you’re not like perfect looking, they would demolish you in every aspect. Some of it is just BS though, because they would legitimately call Nick Bateman a 5.5/10 due to ratios or whatever. Some serious tism going on there. I think it’s all but gone now, cause I can’t even find it online anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:34 PM
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I’ve never found Lilith to be a bitch, just super blunt. And I like that. Redpillispoison is just trying way too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:46 AM
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rIP YoUR iNBOx
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:24 AM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:23 AM
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It’s purge week, so the BS is much more prevalent and in your face than usual. Once it’s over it sort of calms down. sort of
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:02 AM
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None, unless I know her new bf personally, and by personally I mean close friend or family. Other than that, I don’t care enough to tell them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:58 AM
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Link to that study?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:06 PM
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You really should have just used average guys. The very rare attractive incel happens once in a blue moon. Most are just straight up plain
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:02 PM
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Shoot, I’ve never met or seen them ever. But at this point the arguments will be anecdotal at best, and I doubt either of us will be able to convince
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:42 PM
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I didn’t conduct the study myself, I am not OP
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:29 PM
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I mean, it’s still not wrong. Tons more of these experiments have been done and yield the same results
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:19 PM
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I mean, employment and income don’t mean anything for causal sex itself. What do these men look like physically? Because that’s all that actually matters for casual sex,
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:17 PM
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Idk, I’ve honestly lived in a few places. Grew up in NJ in a small town, lived in a college town, moved to a major city and then lived in an area close to rural. It is legitimately only the same sort of guys getting laid, and they happen to have the same sorts of features (tall, attractive etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:39 PM
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Right, but I said the top 20 are getting casual sex, and you agreed it could be true in virtually most settings in the west. A small minority are getting no interaction, very true. Most men are only finding they can have sex via relationships however. So they’re definitely not having casual ones
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:19 PM
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I would say that’s not even that common in low income areas either. But all your comment is saying is that pretty much everywhere else are small minority of males are getting casual sex. So really, for most men it is them being entirely locked out of the casual sex experience
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:16 PM
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Curious what pictures you used for each account.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:04 PM
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True, men are having casual sex in their 20s, but it’s only the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:01 PM
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It’s not. It’s a photoshop from lookism, but it’s not too out of the realm of possibility with some jaw implants.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:37 PM
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I never looked him up honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:59 PM
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I feel this OP, but I truly doubt you’re deformed. Now you know what you need to do to get the sex/relationships you want. Most men can get to that point, start working on yourself. If you fail, then I guess you can say “its over”, but what else are you doing except complaining on Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:11 PM
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Ten years is a long ass time to stick around. But I guess it worked
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:05 PM
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Well, sex is validation for men. We see sex in an entirely different light than women. That’s just how it is. If you find your boyfriend or whatever we’re to get mad about it, you can easily just dump him or he can dump you. No big deal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:42 PM
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Wait, is this guy like a meme or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:34 PM
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Waiting for it to pass at this point. We already did the pic thread, everything else has been Incels being mad at women, and women being mad at Incels for being mad, and also just being at them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:32 PM
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I think you are missing the point as to why men get mad about it, personally
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:16 PM
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Sometimes it is though. Sometimes the chick with the OnlyFans or posting thirst traps on her Instagram doesn’t like being sexualized and complains about it. I have run into several of these kinds of women, more online than IRL, but still they’re definitely the same people sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:24 PM
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I mean hey, you’re cool with it so good for you. But women don’t get the same feeling from sex that men do, so it’s hardly equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:23 PM
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If she’s overweight she’s definitely not a Becky
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:21 PM
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You don’t have to eat six meals a day, you can easily fit your caloric intake to about 2-3 if you wanted. And besides if they’re small meals, they take maybe 5 minutes for me? You’re just coming up with excuses to not go to the gym and eat right, I swear
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:17 PM
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I also was so confused by the personal time shit, like you’re not allowed to have free time? Cause I’ve plenty been able to get free time without them in my relationships, I don’t know what’s wrong with OP but this isn’t a common occurrence based on mine and my friend’s/family’s experience
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:51 PM
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I think this is a situation where you have a man who is desperate for a relationship and just doesn’t voice his wants. You are allowed to show your wants and communicate them just as much as she does. I have always done that in my relationships, and I have found that I get to have my wants met and I always encourage them to do the same. This is why you need to communicate, and if she’s not willing to communicate or reciprocate, kick her to the curb and find another.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:49 PM
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Idk. Lots of finance bros out there with six packs. I also used to work at a company where engineering was like the biggest deal for our product, and some of the engineers were noticeably fit. They find the time to keep up their physique
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:23 AM
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I think giving up without trying is the stupidest thing you can do. At least give it a shot, what else are you doing except bitching on incel forums?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:04 AM
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Fair enough. I do think there’s a difference between being a nice dude, and a NiceGuy. Like being nice in my opinion is just… the bare minimum in social situations. It’s not being a doormat, or being a people pleaser, or whatever the NiceGuys assume is being nice. It’s just being decent to people who are decent to you as well, and if they’re being dicks then it’s okay to be dicks to them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:02 AM
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Bro, what are your sentences? You sound like a guy who translated Chinese to English on Google Translate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:58 AM
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I was gonna say, it’s not the specific number of inches/centimeters you are, it’s how many most of the men around you are. The reason why 6’0 is a big deal Is because 6’0 looks taller than the average man in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:57 AM
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Delusional maybe. But they’re trying at least, and some looksmaxxing actually does work
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:52 AM
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Some are, I think a few have even talked about going to Islam
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:50 AM
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Only if they’re attractive enough to get away with the manipulation tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:49 AM
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It’s hilarious that they feel this way, when they’ve never even tried looksmaxxing. Like just try, if you fail after trying, then I guess you can feel this way
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:47 AM
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I think your post is good intentioned OP, but I doubt it’s gonna get through to anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:37 AM
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Yeah, bold to assume they want to actually date them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:31 AM
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I feel like that’s not always the case for dudes with high body counts though, there are plenty of good looking dudes who haven’t resorted to manipulation to get laid. If you have to go that far to where you’re preying on drunk women. I feel like the point of the number of lays sort of loses its point. I don’t even think I care about the sex itself, I care entirely about the fact that i could have it and that women do want me for those casual hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:20 AM
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I mean, my self worth is tied to sexual success. My lack of the success (at least what I consider success) is why I hate myself. But I still managed to not get swallowed up by their BS, which I credit to the fact that I have socialized well with different groups over the year and I know I am loved by others
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:42 AM
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Sure. Maybe for next purge
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:56 PM
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This. My friend group has been around my life for 15 years. One of them I’ve been friends with 17 years. More than half my life. If I was hot enough for hookups, I would just have hookups. I get plenty of love and companionship from my friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:51 PM
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“Disrespected” one. She can hate my guts all she wants, as long as I get to be in hers 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:47 PM
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The market determines the demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:45 PM
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It’s sort of a negative feedback loop. Like “wow I feel like shit because of the fact I’m ugly/lonely/short/whatever” and then someone says “yes, you are shit because of reasons above and you will never be loved or desired”. It creates a defeatist mentality because they’re not offering any solution to be better, it’s just “it’s over for you”. I do agree with some things Incels say, but some of it is absolute BS and you learn this when you actually socialize with others. It’s why, even though I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:27 PM
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I’m a dude, so I cant be dating you as I, and most lily you, are not gay I am short, like I am 5’6. I am noticeably short in the US and I have always been able to find relationships even going back to HS and college. I can’t get casual sex, but I have one of the biggest killers ever for the US, but I’m doing okay. And I’m not even that old, I’m 29, social media and tinder were around during my time How much of an effort are you putting into your grooming and styling? Because I have met other men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:06 PM
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Nope, no disagreements here. Everything he does will be for pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:14 PM
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I mean, attractive Asian men do well. If they’re at least average height they can get fit. Their facial features also are important, so they gotta have a handsome face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:34 PM
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Pretty much, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:27 PM
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Lol, the OnlyFans ad is priceless
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:50 PM
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That’s actually horrible. But not impossible, I knew a guy who did it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:35 PM
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Where are you from? And I think casual sex is almost impossible if you’re short like me, but relationships aren’t hard to find
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:34 PM
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True, been saying this forever. Average men find relationships all the time, fucking go outside and you’ll see it. Incels are so just so far down the rabbit hole between their mental illness and obsession of their looks, combined that with most just don’t any IRL experience, they truly believe only Chads are getting commitment I do think they’re right that if you’re average, even slightly above average, or short, that you’re going to find an issue slaying (personal experiences of mine prove this…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:32 PM
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Looks like my old weed dealer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:22 PM
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Well, I originally wanted to get a chin implant. Surgeon shot it down immediately, he said that it’s really not going to give me what I’m looking for and it will look worse due to harmony issues. So he recommended I do some chin and neck lipo, I don’t have a double chin like many folks who get it, but it will help define it more than it already is. It could also improve the appearance of my chin, we’re not adding anything after all, just taking away so to speak. He said we can do fillers, but on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:17 PM
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Had us in the first half
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:13 PM
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5’6 suicide zone Right there. Honestly, yeah. I’d have already killed myself if it wasn’t for my family and friends who would be devastated by my death.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:10 PM
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But will date shorter ones if they have other good qualities You’re right, but they won’t hook up with them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:06 PM
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You got a hookup with a hot girl and you’re complaining she didn’t stick around to cuddle? Jeez dude, she didn’t want more. Be an adult and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:04 PM
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Cheating multiple times, not doing anything for their birthday (which is a big deal to her) multiple years, flirting with other women in front of them. These women aren’t ugly either by any means, they’re all above average or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:02 PM
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To improve my looks
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:19 PM
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You’ve been going around to everyone’s pics with compliments. I think it’s really sweet honestly. Appreciate it!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:57 AM
1

Got the alty thing going on a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:56 AM
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Foot fetishes are just nasty
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:51 AM
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Bloated or not, you can still see the structure underneath. Great hair too, very healthy with a natural shine
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:46 AM
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The fittest person on ppd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:44 AM
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I like curly hair, suits you well
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:43 AM
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Appreciate it, I guess we’ll see if it’s enough
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:22 AM
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Something like that. Jaw/chin fillers mostly. I recently had my pre-op for chin and neck lipo. I’m not walking around with a double chin and shit, but my surgeon said I’ve got a little fullness around it and it will help define it more than it already is. He said if I didn’t like the way it looked, I could do fillers next, but I may just be happy with it enough. It’s better than what I originally went for, I wanted a chin implant and the doc shot it down almost immediately. I don’t think I’ve he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:13 AM
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And that’s cool! I can find relationships pretty easily though, so it’s not like I’m some incel, but casual sex has just been impossible. I’ve been told by users here and even a few IRL that women just don’t want to hook up with short guys in the US. Even when they’re like 5’0 and shit. And I’m not mad or hate women for that shit, it’s not their fault it’s their preference. But it’s kind of defeating when all you want is causal sex, and you can’t get it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:04 AM
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Which implants haha?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:02 AM
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Oh yeah, I’m super extroverted. I’ve been able to meet and hang out with different kinds of social groups, and able to build bonds with them. But I have heard, even from men and women on this sub, that women don’t want to hook up with a short dude in the US. And I mean I get it, so I ain’t mad at the women for that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:40 AM
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Well I live in US, I still look shorter being 5’6. But idk, I don’t really think I’m picky, I’m not expecting to take home insta girls and shit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:28 AM
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The Nhad 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:22 AM
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“Yes doctor, can I get an implant to look like this?”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:19 AM
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I’m 5’6 (167cm), and honestly most of the dudes I see women hook up with are always either tall or like at least average height. Appreciate the compliment though, though I’ll admit that photo was taken by a photographer; admittedly it’s one of the “raw” shots (no editing) so I can at least imagine I look something like that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:16 AM
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Don’t worry, I’m well aware. Obviously it’s with Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:56 PM
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Honestly, I’ve sort of become more aware that I’m mot just as average as I thought. The reason I can’t get casual sex is my height, I’m 5’6. So I just look shorter than other dudes in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:39 PM
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You can just check my profile pic honestly, I got nothing to hide
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:19 PM
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Honestly, I’d hang out with you for sure. Chillest looking member here
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:18 PM
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Most of the bluepillers were either chased out long ago, at this point it’s for the most part pale shade of red pill to deep red pill. There are a few bluepillers, but most don’t give a shit to actually make a post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:15 PM
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I know I can’t, but the surgery will at least make me feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:14 PM
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Didn’t even know we were purging
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:13 PM
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Yup. Plenty of women love causal sex and just want to have a one night stand
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:12 PM
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No?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:11 PM
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Most prostitutes do already. It’s like the OnlyFans girls who say that shit to their simps. But, the men can only get that attention if they are paying her. It’s not real, it’s just make believe
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:36 PM
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I don’t think so. If it was really about pussy, most men would already go to prostitutes and not try to get causal sex or care how much sex their gf/wife wants to have or hot they find them. Prostitution misses the validation aspect, paying someone to pretend to be interested while they can’t down the minutes til you’re done is no replacement
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:08 PM
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It is
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:29 AM
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Well I would get matches on OLD believe it or not, I didn’t put my height on there, but I got what most would call a lot of matches on Reddit (but it ain’t that much in reality when you break it down). I have, the issue is that for me there isn’t many countries I can go to. Like people say Asia, but Asia for the most part is third world. Not to mention I’d have to find a job there to be sponsored and hopefully gain citizenship, learn an entire new language, and hope I don’t get stuck where I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 01:15 AM
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I guess 🤷🏼‍♂️ but when you’re looking for casual sex it feels like a consolation prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 01:00 AM
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We’ll see. I ain’t shocked though, usually when you pose this question they realize what we’re talking about. Or, they’ll say “well yeah I wanted the hot dude for hookups, but the funny guy gets to be in a relationship with me which is better”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 01:00 AM
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Yeah, you kind of did it before OLD. I did it during the OLD and it’s essentially impossible unless you are like an 8 facially
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:59 AM
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I feel like when you put this much effort into casual sex though, you sort of lose what I want it for. It’s not even about the sex, it’s about the validation of casual sex itself and the whole “I’m hot enough to get it”. Its hard to have an ego of it if you essentially have to grind to get half of what a 6’2 guy can get
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:37 AM
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Never is 🤷🏼‍♂️ but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt, she may just be away from Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:36 AM
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Nah, nothing too nuts. I did originally go in for a chin implant, but the surgeon was super quick to say that it’s just not worth it as my projection is already at a good spot for my face and going further would make it look worse than better. I guess they can see what your complaints are and he said he didn’t seem to understand. Instead he recommended I just go with chin and neck lipo, it’s not like I have a straight up double chin, just a little fullness that this will fix. He also said that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:43 PM
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I mean facially above average, I know my height brings my actual rating down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:37 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:34 PM
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Yeah. It’s why I’m getting plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:34 PM
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Idk, 2-4 dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:04 PM
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They’re all over the place in terms of length, but if I’ve had 7. Shortest is 6 months, longest is about 4 years. They ranged from slight above average to straight up Stacy (she was the 6 months). I’m 29 now, had my first real one when I was 18. I don’t consider them coming from casual dating because we didn’t have sex before we started officially dating, and if we did it was because commitment was more or less established or about to be. Casual dating would be if I could get her for a ONS, FWB,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:49 PM
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Yup, as a 5’6 slightly above average dude (I’m becoming more aware that I’m not just average) I feel this. I will just never be sexy, because I’m not, and I have put tons of time and effort into looksmaxxing aside from surgery (which is in a few weeks as I just had Pre-Op for it) and steroids. I do think though that I have been able to create the arousal though, as every ex I’ve been with has always been very enthusiastic about sex with me, are hornier and initiate sex more than me, tell me how …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:35 PM
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I still think though that getting into the top 20% is pretty difficult. For example, yeah I’m not some 5’1 Guatemalan, but I’m a 5’6 white guy where the average height is 5’9 in the US. I still look shorter than the people around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:28 PM
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Sure, but dying that unconfident time, did you still receive compliments?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:23 PM
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Yeah. I don’t get insulted for my looks, even down to my height, I’ve never received any negative comment about it. Nothing positive either, but nothing that is meant to belittle me in some way. But attractive people, even if they don’t believe it, still have proof that other people think they attractive. Like even if you truly cannot see it, you’ll receive compliments about your looks. You can even tell them they’re wrong, but you can never say they don’t at least tell you, especially when it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:21 PM
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I agree a lot of women have a type, but generally speaking it’s mostly the same type of features for 80% of women. Otherwise a guy who is the gigachad wouldn’t be the one getting most fo the causal sex with many different partners
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:19 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:15 PM
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No, it’s not. Are you just mad you can’t be a part of causal dating? Like don’t get me wrong, I’m depressed as hell I can’t be a part of it due to my physical looks (height mostly), but I don’t think it’s degenerative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:14 PM
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I disagree. I can get relationships, but I can not get casual sex. There absolutely are different markets, and sometimes you can only find yourself in one while being completely banned from the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:12 PM
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Depends how bad we’re talking. Pictures are all angles and lighting. You will look extremely different when going from one lighting to the other, even in the same room to area. I’ve been photographed before and be sent me the “best” shots . I’ll admit, it made a difference (for the better) in how I looked but I can still see myself there. This isn’t that bad, it’s putting in effort on your dating profile. I’d recommend anyone have a photographer take photos for their profile, yes you will have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:08 PM
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Alright, but let me ask you. Who are the guys you’re having casual sex with? FWB, Tinder, ONS, stuff like that? I imagine you’re willing to date them, but not hook up with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 09:44 PM
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Yup, that’s me. Being short is basically the biggest killer for hookups. Just by being short, I’m just straight up banned from play. At some point, you just give up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 09:27 PM
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I said it somewhere, but confidence is important, but it’s not enough to save you if you don’t hit the looks threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 09:09 PM
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Yeah, it’s why people will tell me sometimes “oh you’re attractive”, I would know if i was actually based on my experiences. I know I’m not ugly, because you also know when you are, but you definitely know when you’re at least average looking/invisible. Attractive men absolutely get complimented IRL. I’ve maybe received a minuscule amount of compliments
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:00 PM
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A very good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:58 PM
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I’m 5’6, trust me I know what it’s like. Try using any “strategy” you have at my height lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:26 PM
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Your last paragraph is right on the money. The “assholes” that are doing well just happen to be hot. Nobody wants to deal with an average looking asshole, they’ll just ignore them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:25 PM
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I said in another comment, but confidence is also important to an extent. Yes, you’re right you definitely need to have some level of confidence in yourself, but without the looks you don’t even qualify. A man can turn himself from an 8 to a 5 with his personality and lack of confidence, there’s no amount of confidence that will turn a 5 into an 8
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:05 PM
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Chin and neck lipo. Yeah it’s a crazy procedure, and if a doctor is good it can be life changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:03 PM
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Shit man, in my 29 years of life I’ve never seen it and I’ve lived in different kinds of places and hung out with different groups of people. The only time a short dude would get laid is if he was super handsome to make up. That’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:02 PM
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You make a point, I’ll admit I’m wrong on that then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:54 PM
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I think confidence is important too, but not over looks. You do need confidence with your looks, this is very much the truth. But if you don’t have the looks to start with, no amount of confidence will help
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:54 PM
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Sure, but making her laugh won’t make her physically attracted to you. It won’t make your jaw stronger or make you taller. Funny guy can maybe get a relationship at most
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:53 PM
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Nah, someone else and not on this sub. But if you said that shit, you are kidding yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:47 PM
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Yup, fillers are kind of crazy nowadays. You do have to get them redone in the future, but they tend to last longer and longer than ever now. I’m honestly gonna get fillers pretty soon, I’ve got a surgery planned soon so once the healing is done i’ll see how my face looks and make a decision. But my surgeon mentioned it may not be necessary, and if we do they can last up to 2 years
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:43 PM
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I feel like you’re right with the second paragraph, but only when it comes to long term relationships, not for casual sex. Men can make up for their looks by being a good partner and increasing their RMV, but none of that shit is gonna make her want to hook up with you. In my experience, she decides if she wants you for causal sex in the first 30 seconds of meeting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:39 PM
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Lol finally someone says it. I had a post once on a different sub where I mentioned how I wanted casual sex and that my looks/height are what hold me back. A guy who is 6 feet and attractive was saying like “nah man, confidence is way more attractive. Looks are overrated”. What a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:37 PM
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FDS women are what happens when you find yourself being the hookup chick but never the relationship chick while not really changing anything about your life, but demanding people change theirs. It’s the same entitlement from incels. I’ve seen a disturbing trend of women lately stating that they are perfect always, it’s just the men was a “Fuckboy” or “toxic” or “gaslighted me” or demonized some other way. Yes, that shit happens, of course it does because some humans are terrible people. But, if …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:24 AM
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Well said. Incels/TRP are coming from a place of hurt and rejection. It just takes a shitty night of self hate to find yourself there, realize “hey they’re talking about the same stuff I’m thinking” and getting lost in the community because you’ve already been rejected x number of times and these guys are telling you why. TRP makes some decent advice, but the thing is that the ones who benefit take the few words of wisdom and use it. The ones who stay tend to be those who are what you’re referri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:19 AM
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Depends on the issues they’re having tbh. Even I, in all my desire to be a hot Fuckboy and get casual sex and being depressed in my inability to get it, know that sex won’t fix everything. It’ll fix that part of my life, nothing else really. I’ll admit it’s a pretty big part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:11 AM
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If you’re this worried, either find someone who makes similar money to you and/or get a pre-nup. Or alternatively don’t get married? 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:10 AM
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The bad examples will always stick out, there will be the risk. If it’s not worth the risk to you, don’t go through with it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 03:55 AM
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SMV isn’t about commitment, it’s about hooking up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:57 AM
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Cold approach isn’t gonna make a difference either. If you’re average or below average, it don’t matter what types of methods or places you approach, you just will not find that much more success, if you’re looking to get casual sex. Hell, go on r/tinder, tons of Chad dudes get super sexual openers from the women, some will throw out literally “sit on my face” and have her over in a couple hours. Chad is getting laid on tinder just fine, the ones that aren’t are average looking dudes. Tinder mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:55 AM
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I’ve actually been saying this for a while. Yes, there are shitty marriages and some men/women end up with a person they should not have married. There will be divorce rapes, there will be cheating, there will be abuse. But not all are like this, sometimes people do end up happily staying together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:46 AM
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Grew up in a suburb, lived in a college town, then a major city, and now a more small town. Granted I never got casual sex in any of them, but I can at least see that a major city is the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:02 PM
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But, the question is do you have causal sex or have had it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 05:13 AM
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I think this thread came up a bit ago and the consensus was that it was indeed the same thing, and yes if you demand that you should get the same sex, then she should demand the same
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 05:10 AM
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It’s their own values and what they feel is important. You might not feel it’s important enough or necessary enough so you can wait. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have sex before marriage as there’s absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to wait. I will admit though that finding a man who wants to wait will be quite difficult
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 05:08 AM
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For men, it’s about ego and validation. Women don’t tend to want casual sex, but they’ll hook up with a guy if they find him hot enough. So,if you’re a guy who can get casual sex, then it makes you one of the hot guys. Like I said in another comment somewhere, every guy wants to be a stud, very few get to be
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 05:06 AM
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Looks are what you are, your job title and income are what you have
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:03 AM
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What is -1.5sd?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:01 AM
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It’s not about the pussy. When it comes to casual sex and hooking up it never is. If it was just pussy, most guys would just go to a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:58 AM
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Women do not owe men sex, in the same way men do not owe women a relationship. Look, if you did not get what you were looking for at the end of the date, then just move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:57 AM
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It is. I’ll even admit that. Getting hookups and shit is the most ego boosting and validating thing for most men. Pretty much every guy wants to be a stud at some point in their lives, few get to be. If I was hot enough to be a fuckboy, I’d have been one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:55 AM
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Seriously, hot dudes are always chased. A guy with money and status don’t even get close to the same kind of raw attraction and attention from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:53 AM
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I mean, no shit man. A dude that is attractive will always be able to get laid because he is, well, attractive. I’d argue that a woman who wants a dude for sex without strings is only reserved for those dudes who are hot and create that raw sexual desire from women. If you’re rich, all she finds attractive about your resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:45 AM
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I mean, your options are to go for the niche that’s into it or continue having no success. Women aren’t gonna change their interests for you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 08:43 PM
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Not really, but alright sorry I didn’t word it correctly to you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:05 AM
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I actually didn’t call people with BPD crazy. I was saying that there is a huge difference between “crazy” and “BPD”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:37 PM
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The average man? Well the average number of partner is like 7, so for the most part causal sex is always off the table. The average guy may get a lucky hookup once or twice in his life, more if he really scrapes the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, but for the most part all of his partners will be the relationships he has. Not a problem if you don’t care about that thing, but he’s for sure not hooking up. That out of the way, he’ll have to put in the work for a relationship, but it won’t be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 06:11 PM
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None. I maybe met two women ever who have an OnlyFans, no one is out here being like “I HAVE AN OF”, and i know it’s shocking but having one not as widespread as you think. Both are happy with their choices, one is a personal trainer, the other is a dental assistant. Sure, not your high status CEO job I know, but they are pretty happy for the extra income
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 06:01 PM
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Oh baby
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:09 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:24 PM
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sigh no OP. Some people do form romantic connections with each other still, and while they may not find use in the relationship, they still love and commit to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:22 PM
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Lol I’ve been in relationships tons of times, and it doesn’t make women line up for me any more than when I’m single (which is never).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:21 PM
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I do. There is no romantic or sexual interest in each other, I see them like I see any male friends. We hang out, we talk about interests, watch a game or two together, text each other about bands/artists we like or whatever, nothing special in our interactions. When there is no attractive, it’s actually quite simple to be friends
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:18 PM
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I think there’s a middle ground. She can think you’re an FWB if she finds you sexual enough from the getgo, but she also has to think there’s something holding her back from pursuing the feels for you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:15 PM
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Idk man. I think you’re stretching a bit here. While I do believe there definitely is some mental shit going on there for OF workers, actual BPD is very specific and there are some factors that need to be met. Yes, some girls are a bit crazy, but there is a fine line between a moderate amount of crazy and straight up BPD. And when you’ve been with both, you can tell the difference easy. How are you even measuring it? Did you take a poll? But I definitely believe there is some mental stuff, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:11 PM
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Idk man, 7s still do pretty fine when it comes to casual sex, even with chicks who aren’t overweight. 7 is where attractive starts. You may not be a 7 in actuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:35 AM
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That’s gotta be a super ugly face then where you can’t make up with it by being tall
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:22 AM
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Seriously, women are interested in intelligent topics, and many are good at them. Know someone in med school, and her class is a majority female. And med school is insanely difficult, you really have to want and be interested in the material to be there
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:20 AM
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And be fat, they just can’t be fat. My buddy is 6’2, been friends with him for like 17 years. He however is visibly overweight for that entire time, and he does not get interest from girls except his wife who he just married after 10 years together. Being tall and fat is like winning the lottery but tossing the ticket in the garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:42 AM
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Perfect explanation, I don’t know why we’re having a discussion like it’s such a crazy thing to think about here
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:37 AM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:31 AM
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So what is the average man and what is the median man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:05 AM
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Like I said to the OP “coulda fooled me”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 09:00 PM
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Coulda fooled me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 08:16 PM
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I mean, people will get mad, but that’s kind of the issue men are having. They’re chosen for relationships, but not for casual sex, when most men would want to be chosen for the latter. If a guy wants strictly relationships it isn’t a problem, but most men want causal sex and the thing is, even when it comes to their relationship partners, they’re already written off for the hookup. That’s why relationships just aren’t validating for men, any guy can get one if he’s average looking and not sever…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:41 PM
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Yeah, this. Even FDS doesn’t actually work if the girl isn’t a Becky or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:33 PM
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I definitely believe you on this. Women can want this, if it weren’t true then I wouldn’t have been able to have relationships with women. But, let me ask you something. Who do you hook up with? Yes, you described you like the security and compatible personality, which are all great for relationships. But, would any of these less attractive men you go for be able to take you home from the bar? Would they be able to swipe on tinder and get you to come over for a ONS?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:28 PM
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Yeah this post literally reeks of entitlement. Check OP’s post history, she straight up hates dudes that aren’t six feet and attractive. And I don’t mean it in the incel “she doesn’t want to fuck me, so she hates me way”. I mean it’s just seething anger for their existence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:27 PM
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It’s not either of those things. It’s a blow to their ego because it makes them take a moment to realize that they are not indeed one of those physically attractive men. Also, you seem to really hate short dudes. Your entire post history is just bashing men for being unhappy if they happen to be one of the short men, or unattractive men. Your post comes off super entitled too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 07:22 PM
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I mean, there has to be. One of my exes prefers big noses. And by prefers, it’s like a fetish almost
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 12:28 AM
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Damn, you’re right. Need to work on being humble
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 12:25 AM
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For relationships I think that’s true, but the guy I described is getting more casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 12:23 AM
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I think it’s important to understand that it’s impossible for a man to be attractive or unattractive to every heterosexual or bisexual woman in the world. Yes, you are attractive to someone. However, let’s not kid ourselves. There are certain male features that an insanely high majority of women are into (blah blah 80/20) and we’ve said what these features are: Tall, strong jaw, full head of hair, fit. These men will have an enormous pool of women who feel they are their type. Meanwhile, you may…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:34 PM
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I do honestly, or projected income if she’s still in grad or med school. I gotta build a life with her and tie my finances to her, she has to pull her own weight in this relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:29 PM
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You gotta get some empathy on this thing. Yes, I’m a pretty sexually unsuccessful guy only getting sex via relationships, but I can still put myself in someone’s shoes and realize it’s difficult for them even if I want to be “used for sex” myself How one perceives something as worse is based on their own experiences more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:28 PM
2

I wouldn’t alter it because I just do not care. I’m for people doing what they want, and I’m not in the hobby of saying she should, I don’t know, give the average guy a pity hookup once or twice. If she wants to do it, she’s gonna do it. Maybe it causes problems down the road, maybe it doesn’t 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 10:46 PM
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I think it depends on how much experience the guy has. If he was an attractive Chad spending his college years and 20s getting his fill of hookups until he decided he was done, I don’t think it’s that big a deal for him
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 10:39 PM
3

I always thought this was obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 10:21 PM
0

Well, they did just get married a few months ago after being together for over a decade. He’s a brewer for a small craft brewery, and she’s set to get her PHD and make about 6 figures a year. He has apparently gotten return on his investment and then some
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:35 AM
1

North America/USA. I don’t even know where to start finding them. It’s not like you can just swing by the Publix and pick them up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:33 AM
5

Eh, my friend’s entire reason for lifting weights was to get a gf. He literally said the entire reason he went and was restrictive with his diet was for this. He did lose weight and he did indeed meet that goal. Really depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:15 AM
1

I honestly wish I knew how to get steroids. I’d be taking them right now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:14 AM
8

Probably comes off as “the cool girl” type, which isn’t a bad thing like FDS may have you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:08 AM
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Eh, it depends what she does with that and how into you she is. Does she turn the guys away when they show up, does she eye fuck them back? If you’re dating a chick who is an objective 7+, this will happen quite frequently because she’s attractive to most men. It’s not her fault, or even their fault. But orbiters I have no fear of, orbiters gonna orbit, if she wanted to fuck them then she would have already.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:00 AM
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True, the person is able to start conversations and put themselves out there (has no fear/has confidence) which is really important. But being confident doesn’t make you likable. Knew a guy in college who could go up to anyone at a party, but he never necessarily created any relationships with these people, and they didn’t seem all that into him being there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 11:56 PM
2

I think it can still be about self improvement, because honestly some advice on both is actually useful but the difference is the ones that are there for self improvement go there for the tips (read the side bar/sticky), maybe ask a few questions and then go away when they get their advice. The ones that stay are the ones you’re referring to, and they were most likely going there just to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:54 PM
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I mean, a lot of my dating life has been where OLD or social media was kind of prevalent. I met a few gfs literally through social media and I was born in 92. I wouldn’t say I knew a dating world without dating apps, but I can understand how the dynamic has changed entirely, even when you watch the original Sex and the City it’s like a different world. If a woman wanted casual sex she would have to go out for it, ya know do her hair, makeup, put on a dress or something, and find a bar or club, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:51 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:29 PM
1

When I said “most women” I was referring to 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:02 PM
1

A. For me, I’m one of the few men who have been putting actual effort into my physical appearance for a long time. Shit is a routine and part of just who I am now, but the fact is I’ve always thrown the effort into me. So, I’m 19 - 21 and a woman rejects me for a hookup or whatever. Fine, I wasn’t attractive to her in some way, maybe I’m not hookup material. Maybe she doesn’t want to date right now in her life. Cool, move on and deal. But now that I’m 29 and have more money or resources, now she…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 05:34 PM
2

What, you mean having mature conversation? Get out of here with that realistic advice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 02:48 PM
2

No. Femininity is both looks and actions for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:57 PM
1

sigh alright Age - I’m 29 now, so I’ve accepted it’s not gonna happen and my time has passed Looks - I have quite literally been putting above average work for the 11 or so years. I have dressed well in clothes that fit me and are trendy. And I mean I was literally going to a tailor to make sure they did indeed fit. I have never been fat my entire life, and I’ve been in the gym 9 of those years. No real improvement, a little bit of definition but that’s about it. I saw trainers, nutritionists, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:55 PM
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Stacy = A woman who is found attractive by virtually most men and can find a relationship easily. Chad = A man who is found attractive by 80% of women and can find casual sex easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:26 AM
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Yeah, I got lucky and I dated a Stacy in college while being short and average looking (okay maybe slightly above). I met her through a mutual friend at a birthday meet up and she asked me for my number. But there’s a few things to note about the relationship: -She admitted to me that what she finds attractive is what most women don’t find attractive and her friends have always been like “why are you dating that guy” with every single bf she ever had. Talk about back handed compliments -She was …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:14 PM
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Right, but what kind of women would these be? In my experience the late 20s/early 30s people like that end up being the burnouts and/or drug addicts. But fuck it, if they’re happy then good on em
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:05 PM
1

Eh, trust me self improvement has been most of my life. I did actually put in the work, but never got the results I desired. When you put that much work into it, and you still didn’t get what you want, you have to realize you lost the game from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 07:57 PM
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Oh yeah. Ain’t no women in their late 20s looking for that goth guy who never grew out of his phase
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 07:20 PM
2

This is the truth. Your average looking guy will always be feeling like there’s just something holding him back from the Instagram hotties. Like he wants to be the fuckboy, but there’s just something missing. This is my situation, but I know what’s missing. So maybe it’s just acceptance at this point for me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:37 PM
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Yeah, if you’re ugly, and I mean general population finds you ugly not just average/plain you gotta lower your standards How low will depend on a few things, and yes if you’re rich and a man you can get hot women, but they will be there for your income entirely and you’ll have a glorified prostitute that may be able to take half your shit some day. If you want genuine connection, expect that person to be ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:36 PM
2

Not necessarily. If I was attractive by your definition, most women would find me attractive. Most women do not
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:59 PM
2

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. But, you don’t get to tell me how to feel about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:53 PM
2

True, which is why I try to more or less get the “dealbreakers” out of the way early and have this conversation before she and I get super invested. But things happen, people change and so do their desires, and if she is no longer on that same level with me it can’t continue. You’re under this impression people stay the exact same through the entire relationship, and it’s just not true
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:47 PM
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What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:45 PM
2

Well I can say the reason for me is that I’m average looking and short, so I might as well just be ugly. But I have been able to find relationships with women that are at least above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:45 PM
1

Yeah, most LTRs and marriages will produce offspring in some way which is how those unattractive men keep coming out
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:44 PM
2

I’m sorry you’d feel that way, but you’re not entitled to the relationship no matter how long you’ve been together, just like I’m not entitled to the sexual act (whatever that may be),
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:40 PM
2

Wrong with him how?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:39 PM
2

In their lifetime is a bit much, but even so I’m a situation where a small pool of women find me attractive. I’m short and average looking, so this is not a shock or anything. Still, my exes did have options, but they found me attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:39 PM
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Yeah, other women would find him attractive. Just not that many women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:36 PM
2

I guess I was assuming this would all happen in the beginning. Either way, you can leave any relationship anytime you want. Not everyone wants to do the same act very single night, then it would get stale. There is no wrong reason to break up with someone, and you seem to be under this impression I have to stay with them. If sex is a big enough reason for me to leave, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:36 PM
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So you’re saying that you find what most women find attractive. I never said there aren’t men that most women find attractive, of course there are. You’d have to be an idiot to not know that. The scenario is that you find a guy attractive most women don’t. I had an ex that more or less was attractive to just about everyone, but she was super attracted to me and I’m for sure not attractive to most women. She admitted as well that the guys she finds attractive are men that most women don’t find at…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:26 PM
2

Because it’s something I want to do in bed? It’s an act that would make me satisfied sexually. What difference does it make why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:20 PM
3

From my perspective I don’t really care that she did it with those men, but rather she isn’t doing it with me. Call me selfish, but I do also care about my happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:18 PM
3

Why does everyone have to be attracted to him for you to be attracted to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:16 PM
2

Maybe you happen to be one of the small pool of women particularly attracted to him. You can’t be ugly to every women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:07 PM
3

Why is it pathetic? If you’re not happy or fulfilled in a relationship, that’s reason enough to not be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:05 PM
3

I think we need to see the situation as a whole, which all comes down to why. Why does she not want to do it anymore, I get that she doesn’t, but why? Fact is, my pleasure is also important and I am not forcing her, but when it comes to sex I at least have a right to know why especially in a relationship. If I don’t like the answer, and there is no compromise, then we’re not a good match and I move onto someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:03 PM
7

Yup, learned this in college. If you’re interested then don’t beat around bush.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:38 AM
1

No shit. Any first date I’ve had doesn’t cost me more than $15 for her. I don’t even know you, why would I spent tons of money
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:35 AM
3

Yup. What’s shocking to me is how far people go with plastic surgery, and how bad some of it looks. The results should be subtle and create facial harmony. This is so important, I know you want that giant Giga Chad Thundercock jaw, but if the rest of your face doesn’t match it then it’ll look like surgery. That’s why you need to see a surgeon who understands facial aesthetics. I saw my surgeon about getting a chin implant, he advised immediately against it saying that because where my chin lies,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:07 PM
1

I’ve always wondered this, when you say little experience, what exactly is “little experience”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 07:51 PM
1

This is extremely valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 07:49 PM
6

The TRP argument of “its different for guys” doesn’t work, because you’re right it’s so hypocritical. Most players, or high n count men end up with high n count women though. The betabuxx situation really isn’t that common as we are led to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 11:34 PM
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The absolute truth. Being average looking I can still find relationships pretty easily, but I have worse looking friends who basically can’t get a gf to save their lives. Meanwhile, the lowest woman can find casual sex. It won’t be with Chad, and that whole “even fatties get Chad” BS has to stop. But they can go on a dating app for the most part, find a dude, and fuck in 24 hours
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 11:29 PM
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For real. I don’t understand why we still believe we should be following the same ideals and checkpoints as the boomers or Gen Xers. We are in a world that’s extremely foreign to them that if they were placed into a 20 something body and starting from scratch but the same mind, they’d have no idea how to navigate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 09:56 PM
3

Yup, anyone can be a simp. Though at least TRP tries to deter it in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:20 PM
2

If this is a sure fire way for him to meet women and be successful, then fuck it have at it. My policy on when someone says a strategy works for them, then that’s good enough for me and I won’t deter it provided it’s not using the Bill Cosby method or doing anything too bad to hurt the women. But if it’s not like a slam dunk, then no I wouldn’t recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:19 PM
1

I think being bald depends on the rest of the package and how attractive you’re viewed. If you still are masculine looking, being bald won’t be a total killer for you. I do however think it’s fair to say that most women, and by that a large majority, prefer a man who has hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:17 PM
2

Yeah. I think I’ve seen unattractive women take more chances and try talking to dudes at a bar. They realize they have to be upfront or they’ll be invisible
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:15 PM
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Its because one validates men, the other does not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 06:07 PM
1

Girls love artsy HOT guys
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 06:02 PM
1

First if all women are people, not fish It’s an analogy, calm down. And it actually is good advice, most women will say one thing and go for something completely different
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:57 PM
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A couple comments call her out and basically say “well are you or your friend dating a guy like that?” and they’re right
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:00 AM
1

Yup. If she doesn’t have that attraction to you, then you’re in the friendzone for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:58 PM
1

I was gonna say, men have all to gain from casual sex. Even if she doesn’t want to fuck you again, you ass another notch to your bedpost and raise your n count. Sounds like an absolute win for your ego
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:57 PM
1

Mostly autistic people like TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:55 PM
1

I’m 5’6, with pretty average facial features overall. So I’d probably say my looksmatch, if we’re going by a comparable women in physical attraction, is a woman who is 200lbs, a similar height, and maybe wears makeup. Essentially a woman that is ignored by most men and written off from a look alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:54 PM
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Then that is fine. As long as there isn’t a difference in how quickly you’d have sex with your casual partners vs your husband partners. And as I said it’s more nuanced than “she didn’t let you fuck on date 1? You’re a betabuxx bro”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 07:09 PM
1

Sure, but all the men you and your friends think are “husband material”, did you hook up with them or would they be the guys you’d have casual sex with? Really that’s what most men care about, if they’re hot enough to get a hookup with someone they think is hot. Even if they don’t want to do the action itself, knowing they had the option and it’s their choice they didn’t is the validating part
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 06:41 PM
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Doesn’t matter if they should or shouldn’t, because it happens anyway. Until most men have more options than women, it will always be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 05:58 PM
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It’s perceived as negative because for men that want casual sex, you’re essentially saying “you need commitment”. However it’s a very nuanced thing that you have to take a lot into account before you start assuming “I’m a betabuxx” or “she was giving it to Chad for free”. Even then there isn’t a clear cut way to determine any of that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 05:57 PM
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Yeah. If you’re already talking commitment on date 1, 2, or 3 it says you’re either way too into them in a crazy way, or you have literally no options whatsoever and you’re trying to lock it down while you can
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 05:54 PM
1

If he’s attractive he gets a lot. If he’s average then barely any, and if it is it’s maybe 1 Becky is a very very very blue moon and mostly fat chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:00 PM
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Blue pill is just not knowing what the redpill is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 02:56 PM
3

Well, yes and no. I do think if you’re a person who wants to have many sexual partners or casual sex, then honestly you want to be the kind that is attractive to most or at least a large pool of women. Niches are cool, but the pool in that niche that would be interested in you for casual sex could and usually is very small. So small, you might not ever meet a woman interested in you for casual sex. For example, not really any niche where being short and average looking (like myself) that is inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 04:59 PM
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I did mention that status has a part in it if you’re lack the raw physical traits I mentioned. But I don’t think a huge majority of women are necessarily obsessed with him. If he wasn’t doing what he does, he’d most likely be ignored by most woman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 03:52 PM
1

I agree with this, though I was part of the party/drug/drinking and I still found myself not able to get laid. You can’t fix being short and average
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 01:08 PM
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I think it’s just the default. No, you don’t have to get a body like Athlean-X, but getting to a decent weight with some definition is sort of default.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 01:06 PM
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This. One of the members of BTS has a natural shoulder to waist ratio that most men can’t get after years bulking and cutting. Another one has the literal golden ratio for a male face. Those raw physical traits will always be attractive. Only one is “short”, and just barely at about 5’8, so most don’t give a shit Anecdotal, but take it for what it is. I’m a pretty social guy so ive found myself in different groups over the years. Emo/goths, indie, basic people, whatever, and the dudes getting la…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 01:04 PM
1

I somewhat agree, but I think a woman can become a butter face if she puts in the effort to make her body attractive at the gym. Nowadays the body goals aren’t just having big tits (which require surgery), it’s about your thighs and ass which you can build. If she becomes the general view of attractiveness body wise she can still find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 01:40 PM
1

Well I guess men would feel more confident and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 09:13 AM
1

Hard to say and give a specific number, but I’d say generally it could take about 6 months of “passive trying”, and 2-3 months of “active trying” depending if you’re on the higher or lower end of average. So when it comes to passive, I mean you more or less go with the flow but still try if you see a girl catch your eye. You shoot your shot when you feel it’s worth it, but generally you’re there to have fun and chill with friends. Maybe you meet someone at a gathering where friend groups combine…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:39 PM
3

Well the women would still need to make the choice to take the pill and change their behavior. I don’t think you realize most women won’t want to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 01:41 PM
3

Okay, but again the women that actually would be interested in trading money for sex wouldn’t need the pill to begin with. Because they can just pretend to be interested and fake orgasms for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 05:07 AM
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Right, but here’s the thing. The women that would be interested in that subsidy wouldn’t need that pill. Women pretend to want to fuck guys all the time, they’re called prostitutes. They don’t need a pill to do this already, you’re essentially creating gov’t approved and funded prostitution. Why would the government even subsidize this? Men’s inability to get laid isn’t a public issue, I sure as hell don’t want my tax dollars going to this shit. And I’m no Chad getting laid every weekend. All th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 04:54 AM
3

Okay, but why would they take the pill at all? You’re saying they’d take it if they can’t find the right guy. But if they can’t to start, why would they make themselves hornier?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 04:39 AM
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Agreed. And no friend should encourage someone to be treated this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:37 AM
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No. Not only is this shit weird, but women’s libido isn’t tied to what they find attractive. If her libido increases, she’ll still have a larger pool because men just find more women attractive than the latter. Plenty of women have low libido until they find the right guy who checks all or a large majority of her physical looks boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:35 AM
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Depends on the person as always. If you want love, then it’s the greatest indescribable feeling there is. If you don’t want it or apathetic, it can seem like a waste of effort for little gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:35 PM
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Not much honestly, if we’re talking casual sex (hookups/FWBs). The average men are already in the “no” pile as are the ugly guys. Their RMV is much higher than the ugly guys though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:33 PM
1

Intimacy, human connection, companionship, maybe resources (if that’s their game), idk not everything is a formulated autistic interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:31 PM
4

Lol yeah dudes be full of it. At least I’m realistic on where I stand. I know I’m not some Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 03:09 PM
1

Apathy. Do what you want, but don’t expect me to pay for it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:10 PM
1

That’s such a small group though. Attractive men usually have had a positive feedback loop their whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:17 PM
1

One reply and it’s everyone now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:16 PM
1

If I had sex with a girl, and she then tells me she wants to wait a bit longer before having sex again, I’ll just ghost her and add the woman to my bed post. Move on, I got no time for that and I still got what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:25 AM
5

Why are you so mad lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:20 AM
0

Sure, but if you’re a guy and you’ve never run into a woman who is upfront, then you know where you stand
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:20 AM
3

Nobody here thinks that women have the same universal type, as in all 3.5 billion are after one kinda guy. But there are features that most women want, and it’s about being that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:19 AM
3

I honestly think this is just delusion peaking through. Especially when you’re like me and have seen it happens tons of times to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:18 AM
3

True, but if you’re a man who is approached by women in bars, clubs or parties, or at least you’re given heavy instances of IOIs, it’s basically the determining factor as a man that you are attractive. It’s not really unreasonable to view it this way either. You even said it yourself, the attractive guy in your class got the attention
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 09:16 AM
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Nah. I don’t really care what they think in terms of partner count. Really, it’s all internal. The fact is if you’re a guy and can get a high amount of sexual partners, it’s undeniable proof that you are indeed attractive looking. And all I’ve ever wanted is to be attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 01:47 AM
9

Maybe you’re just not that attractive then…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 01:19 AM
3

If most women are into you, then you do have the traits of what women generally find attractive. You’re a situation of not seeing it yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 01:11 AM
3

Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:43 AM
3

Validation mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:42 AM
4

🤷🏼‍♂️ if I was attractive I’d be more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:18 AM
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The six foot PUAs are just trying to sell their bullshit classes. As for the guy with his high school sweetheart, he doesn’t stray because he thinks he can’t, it’s that he doesn’t want to. He’s still well aware women find him hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:55 PM
12

Yup. Hair stylist at my salon told a story how she saw a guy on the road, saw he had a bumper sticker on his car and through that looked him up by going through the team rosters of that high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:53 PM
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Okay, but IOIs is what I was talking about as well. The, the looks, the body language, the doing anything to find a reason to be around the guys. Of course it won’t always be “let’s fuck right now”, anyone who has been around people would know that. But the subtle signs she’s flirting, are actually pretty in your face especially if you’re a guy that doesn’t get that attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:52 PM
2

Yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:40 PM
2

As in like the number of sexual partners
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:12 PM
11

Feel this. It’s worse when you toss all that effort and you’re still not getting the numbers you want. I used to be narcissistic and delusional like you said in your post. I then learned where I truly stood, and I’ve never been the same and not for the better in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 09:31 PM
22

Something, something, memes write themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 09:27 PM
19

Maybe not a ton of girls always on your dick, but if you’re attractive you’ll find yourself having these interactions semi frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 09:10 PM
10

Who said I didn’t think that? My comment was a general view. You can’t deny that what I said is what generally happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:59 PM
147

This is the truth. No she’s not nervous to come up to you, no she’s not playing hard to get. If she wants you, you’ll be well aware. No attractive man is oblivious to this fact either. Even if they don’t see why the women find them attractive they will have tangible proof that women do. I’ve seen it way too many times. Men who are what the general female population find attractive get tons of similar attention as what your frat brother was getting. Meanwhile I’ve never gotten that, my entire lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:18 PM
2

Here’s the thing, no matter how you look you will not be unattractive or attractive to everybody. The guy with a big nose will n someone who is attracted to him. The acne scars guy will find someone who is attracted to him. The short guy will find someone, the weak chinned guy will find someone, the balding guy will. But, the men I described will have a small pool of women attracted to them as opposed to a guy without those flaws. By all means, you will find someone who finds you attractive, fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 06:33 PM
1

It depends on a few things. What does the man exactly want? Does he want a ONS, a FWB, a relationship, a simp relationship? A relationship he could probably come out and be uprfront with and get it, but for ONS or any other casual sex he’s not going to be able to. Then think of the women in the situation? How attractive is she? How many options does she have? Is he the best option she has? It makes a huge difference when it comes to how she takes being upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 05:39 PM
3

Yeah. Or just treat everyone the same way. Makes it so much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 08:58 AM
3

Yeah I knew a guy who absolutely hated himself but was always able to find hookups and even relationships. He was hot so this wasn’t surprising of course. That being said if you depend on your SO to make you happy, you’re gonna find that these relationships won’t last and your partner will become tired of always being your rock. This is for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 06:30 PM
1

It is. But sadly it’s not my problem. If I can sit here and say that women have to deal with the bad choices they make related to sex and relationships, then it would be hypocritical to not say the same about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 10:17 PM
1

Fact is, the men are either going to be okay with it or they’re not. Trying to think of ways to make men who don’t want to wait decide they want to wait feels so manipulative. Either sleep with them or don’t, and deal with what happens next
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:42 PM
1

I think you really hit the nail here. This post screams “I hate women” because he’s basically saying what many women go through is “nothing to get worked up about”. It’s always easy to feel like you know what it’s like, what you would do, how you would react when you’ve never been in that situation. I might see where OP came from if it was like a cat call, a grope of her boob or ass, or something else. It’s terrible, but not worth totally losing a future over. But this y that situation at all. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 10:11 PM
7

Yup. As a guy who teaches and help men shop and dress there’s been a distinct shift in how that’s viewed. Men maybe a decade ago I would never see looking for my services are paying for the assistance., There are more men in the gym than ever, and they’re not just hanging out at the benches anymore. They’re doing HIIT, they’re doing cardio, they’re doing more to cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:20 PM
1

I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:01 PM
2

Some do, because they think they’ll live like kings in the past and won’t have to deal with the problems they do now. The biggest reason I’ve seen is that the men who want to do this only so their wife will be “loyal, and subservient to me”. Here’s the thing, affairs happened all the time in 50s, women cheated on their husbands with the milkman, the mailman, other men that would come around and do other tasks. It’s where the whole “how tall was the milkman” joke came about when a son was much ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 10:12 AM
1

Lol it’s why I just assume a woman’s being nice now. I know she ain’t interested, I’m not exactly what women find attractive (short, maybe slightly above average).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:12 AM
6

Most of BTS ain’t even short. They’re average height to tall for the west, one member is even 6’1 or something
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:07 AM
8

Why would it exactly be different? Using dating apps doesn’t change what you find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:06 AM
7

Are you telling me you’ve never met a guy or girl who tends to have more of the opposite sex interested in them than others? Fact is there are certain features that the general population finds attractive, and the more of them you have the more people find you attractive. What is defined as Chad (strong jaw, tall) may not get every woman, but he’ll attract most of them and get most for casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:04 AM
2

Environment for sure does. For example, people get obsessed about the number of a person’s height, without looking around them. A 5’6 guy is only short because he looks short compared to everyone around him. If he’s around other 5’6 guys he’s average height, and if he’s in a room with 5’3 guys he’s tall. It’s not the height that matters, it’s the height of all the other men in the room and that’s what women care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:17 PM
5

Yeah, almost every man in the world wants to have casual sex with at least one Stacy they can add to their bedpost. Most don’t get that though, and are totally fine with fucking Beckies and Janes provided theres at least a base level of attractiveness. Depending on the looks of the guy (and his friend group) he’ll brag about Becky, and if he’s lower on the looks Jane. But let’s face it, a guy will fuck the chubber at the end of the night provided nobody finds out about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:15 PM
1

The very hot man won’t want to spend more than a few hours and the man is good at hiding how he feels
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:12 PM
3

The being the rock thing is super true, it’s so exhausting and is so suffocating. They want you to be the same way in that they are your everything, and if you do have other stuff going on they see it as a threat because while you have something if it ends, they’ll have nothing. It’s so low value, but even outside of that it’s just sad and they need to see a professional to work those issues out before getting into a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:10 PM
1

For me: I find her attractive. Has her own careers and makes her own money Believes in equality in stuff like dates and gifts. She doesn’t have to pay every time, but she should expect me to pay every time either. is relatively independent with her own life, friends, and hobbies. Doesn’t expect me to be her rock 100% of the time. I was that, and trust me when I tell you it’s the most exhausting thing ever,
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:08 PM
1

I’ve seen some on Twitter and 4chan. Some other subs have been laughing about it too. It’s pretty entertaining
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:22 PM
1

Yeah. I already see women on Twitter selling their stuff via Dropbox and cashapp, the same exact content but OF doesn’t take a piece. More will just do that, or like you said another platform will capitalize on it and welcome them in. The memes are funny about it though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 03:21 PM
4

For LTRs I agree with you, but for casual sex it is all about looks. And that’s kind of what most people here care about
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:33 PM
1

For sure on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:32 PM
1

It’s not a shameful practice if you succeed at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:31 PM
1

No disagreements
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:16 PM
2

Dave Chapelle said that a guy would be happy living in a box if he was getting consistent pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:37 PM
1

It’s not mind blowing, it’s just that the common thing said about it is that it’s not true and it’s down to personality and shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:36 PM
1

Lol you should have tried tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:30 PM
0

Yeah. I’m 28, and honestly throughout my 20s most people my age aren’t even obese. And it’s not like I’m in some European country where portions are much smaller, I’m in the US. Obviously if we talk people in their 30s and 40s, yeah there are a lot of fatter people. But that shit happens when your metabolism slows down and you keep your maintenance at the same level and don’t raise it up at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:20 PM
1

I’ll admit it’s an important stepping stone in the human experience, but it’s not like the end all be all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:09 PM
3

Yup. Fact is the relationship is maybe a little different than being single to them. They get their sex, their comfort, whatever, but they’ll still spend their time fantasizing about being with other men/women and will usually leave their SO if something even slightly better comes along. Had a friend who was dating someone, she was a plain girl, but she had a great personality and she loved him completely. They were together for like 2 years. He was a plain looking dude as well, decently cool in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:45 PM
1

Depends what you’re trying to get out of it. If you’re trying to get just have a coping mechanism and choosing to not play a game rigged against you, and choosing to not play it or even think about it gives you some peace, then it does. If you’re choosing it as a way to maybe get a woman in the future (as a sort of reverse psychology or sour grapes thing) and spend all your time obsessed and women bash, then no it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:39 PM
1

It’s when you promise something that you don’t intend to even kind of follow through with. Look, we’re human and sometimes we don’t live up to expectations or our word. But, when you make a promise with absolutely no intention of doing it (i.e. yeah totally into a relationship baby, let’s fuck and I’ll call you tomorrow) then it’s taking advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:34 PM
1

Yeah. I doubt average looking John is out here slaying like that. If he was, we’d see the number be higher for women overall
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:31 PM
1

Truth. I have made this mistake, a couple more times than I should. At least I can tell the red flags now
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:30 PM
1

Yeah it’s just a small group that cares this much, and it’s usually the less attractive percentage. Especially in guys, it’s the “you have all the money in the world, why are you out here driving a 2001 Toyota Camry” mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:28 PM
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Because I’ve been running into problems gaining muscle. And I still want to, but I have no idea how to get them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 10:12 AM
1

Yeah, i have to raise my eyebrows at that. After hearing that I’d have to ask why.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:10 AM
1

Holy shit, that is the worst frame of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 05:45 PM
1

I mean you literally just said that they have to become attractive to get casual sex, and no one here is denying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 12:48 PM
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No disagreements, but most men can’t go through the wild phase because they aren’t able to have the casual sex. You’re acting like men aren’t actively trying to have their wild phase in their 20s, in reality only the Chads are able to have them. You don’t think I wanted one? I absolutely did, but I was locked out of that strictly on looks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 08:07 PM
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Yeah really depends what you’re after. Me I could get dates but not casual sex. And that’s totally down to my SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 07:47 PM
3

I mean, the women only want their money. Sounds more like a glorified prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 01:27 AM
8

Well, I’m sure a guy who makes 30,000 a year might want to buy a BMW and his standard of car might be only a BMW. However, he doesn’t have the ability to get a BMW, so he’ll be walking to the store. Our standards can only be as good as what we can afford
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 01:47 PM
5

Age is part of it, many millennial women loved pretty boys too when they were younger. However, the e-boys you’re talking about have masculine physical traits. They are tall, and usually have masculine facial features, the style is a little more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:06 AM
15

They hate being approached by average looking men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:02 AM
2

Probably to attract specific men (I.e. Chads)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 10:59 AM
-2

Some of it is true, some of it is not. Knowing which is which takes life experience, something an 18 year old won’t have
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:56 PM
21

Bruh, the autism is so strong in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:05 PM
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Yeah, only with men who are rich and can find their entire lives
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 07:02 PM
–

Well yeah, they want money
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 06:13 PM
1

Eh, a slightly above average dude can get 1 like. I used to get one like a day and I’ve been rated as plain on Lookism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 10:33 AM
4

Go to therapy and work through the issues, if you can. It’ll save you a lot more issues later on
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 04:29 PM
6

You can tell easily by seeing how interested she is in what you yourself are interested. I may have had some different interests than my current and past gfs, but when it came time to talk about it they were all ears (even if they didn’t personally care for it themselves). They ask follow up questions, they actively listen, they’re curious, they are so happy to hear about something that makes you happy. You can tell the difference almost immediately, same goes for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 03:52 PM
6

Definitely
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 03:35 PM
15

Yeah. How much can you brag to your friends about who you’re fucking? When a guy goes out to the bar, has a tough night and fucks a landwhale he doesn’t brag about it to his friends. When he fucks a Becky or above, he won’t shut up about it and if he’s got pics of her will show it off. And then all the guys will be like that rap battle video cheering and yelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 02:59 PM
7

Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 02:56 PM
22

True. But for every guy who’s just given up using the dating apps, there are 4 guys who make an account expecting success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 11:19 AM
9

Is he hot? If he’s hot, it won’t matter. If he’s like slightly above average to below it will matter. Just like literally everything else when it comes to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 11:16 AM
6

Pretty much this. Halo effect is super duper real
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 11:15 AM
1

I could be biased as a man, but if my money is literally going to another person for an intended purpose, I want to know that the intended purpose is being fulfilled. I feel like childcare should be treated like a bank account. I put money into it like a debit card, and the mother then uses it. She has access to it, I have access to it. I may not be able to pull my funds necessarily, but I will be able to see exactly what it’s spent on and at any time I could get confirmation on what was sent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:29 PM
12

Yeah, Gen Z is extremely blackpilled. r/tinder is so blackpilled when it comes to hooking up and stuff, and that’s been populated by mostly Zoomers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:26 PM
2

This.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:25 PM
1

I mean, it’ll for sure not be a problem for that guy’s self esteem. It’s literal proof that he’s attractive and many women find him attractive enough for casual sex. I think the happy medium of sex partners for a man is like 15. I feel like that’s enough to say women not only find you attractive, but you are pretty selective on who your sex partners are. Plus you could easily have had a few gfs sprinkled in there
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:23 PM
1

Well, I can’t get casual sex, so just going for LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:20 PM
1

Like I said, it’s most, not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:48 AM
1

Well, are you his type or what he would consider attractive? Was he satisfied in bed? If using porn was the better option, he may have just not been that attracted to you or the sex wasn’t that great. Not saying it’s your fault for this either
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:55 AM
2

Porn is a symptom, it’s how the virgin/sexless men cope with the fact they aren’t able to get sex. I imagine if it became magically easier for men to get laid, then we’d see the porn numbers die down.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:53 AM
4

How?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 12:50 AM
3

Only like a few incels believe this. Like the other guy said, show me evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:19 PM
14

Yup. There’s a reason why the pedo archetype isn’t a Chad looking dude, it’s always a dude who is a combination of fat, ugly, and balding
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:38 PM
10

My friend and his fiancé are an N=1 and they are extremely happy. They’ve been together for like 9 years too, when you ask him how he feels he could not even care for another woman. They have an incredibly healthy sex life, both are extremely satisfied. He has no desire for casual hookups or even additional partners. She doesn’t either, seriously if you see them together her eyes will still follow him around the room. Warms my heart, very happy for them. Technically my gf has an N=1, but it does…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:10 PM
6

Fucking exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:05 PM
9

Seriously. It’s an offshoot of angry women who got pumped and dumped a few too many times and are lashing out at Chads for not wanting to wife them up. It’s barely a speck on society
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:05 PM
1

Oh, then yeah. If it’s the goal I want, then yeah of course I’m envious of those men. And thinking I should be having would imply entitlement. I’m not entitled to it, but do I desire it? Of course I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:26 PM
2

5/10 Plain face according to lookism and just regular interactions I have normally. 5’6, which is a killer but if I was handsome I imagine I would get the casual sex I’m looking for. I don’t even know who I look like. Celebs aren’t plain looking like me. Just check my photo for my profile. It’s a good photo mind you, so it’s probably not even a good representation of me Yes, every man who looks like me struggles
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 11:39 AM
7

I just don’t want to spend money or resources into a kid who isn’t mine. I don’t hate single mothers, just don’t want to date
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 11:12 AM
1

Outside of a relationship, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 10:57 AM
1

Personal jealousy toward who? Not even looking for kinky nightclub sex, barely anyone gets that. I just want hookups, ya know go on tinder a message a girl to come over. Or go to a bar, hit on a girl, go home with her. Or have FWBs. Or just have some sort of casual sex that isn’t tied to a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 10:43 AM
1

Yes, the only women ever interested in me is whatever GF I am with. No other woman gives me attention, tries to hook up with me, gives me IOIs, etc And yes, it’s about getting lots of partners and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:16 AM
3

If they’re handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:15 AM
2

I mean, I go to the gym already. My comment wasn’t saying don’t even try going to the gym. It just means it ain’t gonna do anything, because a short muscular guy, is still just a short guy. Though it’s not as easy to get ripped as you say, I’ve been doing it for years and seeing little fruits of my labor. Although it does keep me from getting fat, which is a plus I guess. Genetics play a big role in it too, if I want to be ripped I’m just gonna have to start taking PEDs at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:57 AM
2

Great write up. This is how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:33 AM
2

I mean, as long as I’m physically attracted to her then yes I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:32 AM
4

True, but tell me, what workout plan is gonna make me taller than 5’6?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:31 AM
4

I think when it comes to physical appearance, men care. Most men do not want a woman who doesn’t dress or look feminine. Yes, I know your weird non binary friend with the shaved head may have a bf. I doubt though she gets interest from most men in a given room. Everything else can go either way for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:21 AM
1

I mean, duh. We know the women who we are in relationships think we’re attractive. My gf thinks I’m attractive based on just how she is with me, same thing with my exes. Here’s the thing though, they’re the only women who ever find me attractive at the time. Like seriously, no other women ever hits on me, DMs me, tries to hook up with me, no indicators of interests, nothing while I’m in a relationship. I always laugh when men say “a relationship makes you hotter” because the amount of interest I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:18 AM
2

I mean, you’re not wrong. It only helps the men who themselves are virgins feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:03 AM
2

Depends on the person and what they specifically value. Truth be told, if a person is asexual or low libido, going without it really worn affect that person. Now if you have a person who wants casual sex, wants lots of partners, looks at it as a source of validation then not having sex to the level of the amount they desire would be bad for their well being. You gotta take it person bu person, culture by culture, tradition by tradition, etc by etc. Also to your last paragraph, can we stop thinki…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 03:02 PM
1

?? You know that means “just do what makes you happy” right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:38 PM
2

Well, You do you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:29 PM
2

You’re literally causing the car to have a high mileage. Then are mad at the car for having a high mileage. But that doesn’t even make sense, because the car is an object just doesn’t even get the choice. The woman has a choice, but so does that dude that hooked up with her. If you’re going to hate her, hate the dudes too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:11 PM
5

Man, no it’s not. You’re super delusional if you think this is the case. The only people that care this much about virginity are Muslims, and men on TRP/Incels
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:24 PM
1

I think you’re way too austistically caught up in the literal definition of the word, rather than realizing it’s just an over the top thing TRP came up with. It’s a figure of speech
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:22 PM
3

That’s still hypocritical honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:18 PM
3

Eh, relationships are about risk anyway. You get together, you break up, you then find another one. Just don’t combine your finances until you’re absolutely sure she’s gonna be around for the long haul
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:17 PM
2

Then that is a fair POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:10 PM
4

Yeah, but it’s still hypocritical af to be like “I don’t want to date you cause you were promiscuous, even though I want to be promiscuous”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:04 PM
2

What does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:03 PM
2

How? You’re literally becoming part of the problem ya’ll have. It takes two people to hook up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:02 PM
5

Still not seeing the issue with women being promiscuous, especially if the dude in question is also bring promiscuous. Doesn’t hooking up with women kind of add to the problem they’re making a deal about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:53 PM
5

But isn’t hooking up with them also just adding to the issue? Like yeah I want casual sex too, but I’m not out here hating and refusing to date women who have it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:41 PM
3

True
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:37 PM
20

Never understood the weird anger TRP has with women who have casual sex. They want casual sex, and they want it with women. But then bash women if they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:45 PM
2

I mean I’m just not attracted to women taller than me, so I wouldn’t necessarily ask her out in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 01:44 PM
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In the same way women keep going for the same dude, you may keep going for the same women. Change your standards, pivot your interests, and maybe vet way better. This might as well be an FDS post if you switched the genders, so much so I thought it was the Purge and just bad trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 01:42 PM
2

That’s their issue and it’s up to them see a problem if they have one. I ain’t gonna police what they do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 01:16 AM
5

We can talk morals all day, but you’re right. How many men on here are down to lie and manipulate to get what they want (lots or casual sex). Yeah, I’m sure people will give you a dirty look when you talk about it unless they’re doing what you do as well, but if you’re successful and don’t see an issue, then why shouldn’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 06:38 PM
1

Everything is good in moderation. It’s all about self control
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 06:36 PM
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Yeah this is well said. The stuff you put down TRP teaches is the most accurate and helpful stuff. I think some of the autistic ramblings on the subreddit can be a bit much, some are just downright unbelievable. However, I do think the whole “society teaches us the opposite” is a bit farfetched. The only people who can’t figure any of that out are cripplingly autistic average looking and below men who have just never interacted with women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 06:34 PM
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Yup. Men reject women for what they can change, women reject men for what they can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:50 PM
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At this point though, FDS is so linked to TRP it’s part of the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:49 PM
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Being an HVM from what I can tell is being both high in the SMV and RMV. Chad as he is, is a guy that most women want to hook up with and/or date. He is high in SMV from the getgo because Chad is really all about how you look. Now, drug dealing Chad, gangbanger Chad, hypebeast Chad with literally no money because he bought a 4,000 pair of Fragment 1s, badboy Chad, these aren’t necessarily the highest in RMV. They will for sure get a lot of casual sex provided they are good looking, but are not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:47 PM
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And do you have any proof that isn’t anecdotal yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:30 PM
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I go by men I know personally and by social media and memes made by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:20 PM
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For you? Sure, but for the most part, most men prefer short women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:46 PM
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I’ve seen people change, it’s possible but they need to put the effort in to change themselves. You can easily tell a person that wants to and doesn’t want to. When people don’t change, it’s not because they can’t or are incapable, they just don’t see any problems with their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:40 PM
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Yeah, it confuses me too. Plus a woman being like 5’4 and under is actually preferred, and has the same overall value as a dude who is 6’0.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:38 PM
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Lol like a prostitute. If women only like you for your money, you might as well get a real one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 10:33 PM
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I’ll take your word for it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 10:29 PM
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A good face can and will trump being short. It’s not about having every good feature, looks are about a physical package and one thing can for sure make up. And yeah, totally want to be wanted for my money lol. That’s not arousal, that’s just her thinking of all the stuff you can buy got her. She’s trading sex for cash, how is that not being a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 10:29 PM
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Alright, but how is a guy supposed to figure it out? Like you’re saying “you gotta figure it out” but you don’t even know how.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 10:24 PM
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Sure, and failure is a part of it. But here’s the thing, when people fail, to actually learn from it you need to know exactly where you failed and how you failed. If no one ever tells you, how are you supposed to know what not to do next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 10:08 PM
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Bro, this is some entitled whiny shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 09:21 PM
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I’m not disagreeing with you, but if a guy doesn’t know and no one tells him he’s either bad or he’s unattractive, how is he supposed to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 09:20 PM
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Not sure what you’re getting at. Who? The unattractive guys or the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:57 PM
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I didn’t even get to see it 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:57 PM
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Eh, I’ve seen some Chads post on various subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:55 PM
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I mean, no offense but you are attractive so all of this is kinda BS. This is the same as an inherited millionaire telling a guy who makes 30k a year how to make a million dollars. None of the advice holds any real merit, because you never used or needed any of it from the getgo. Guarantee that if you were short, or had a weak chin or just even average facial features you would not find even close to success even with all of your “tips”. If you were actually average looking then that might give …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:51 PM
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I mean my belief is “average looking until proven Chad” when people come here claiming to have the insane Chad life they do. You’re right, there are some obvious larpers. And they always use the excuse of “I don’t want people doxxing me”, but reverse search for photos of they aren’t the same size is actually hard. Trust me, I’ve reversed searched photos I uploaded on myself on Imgur, and I can never find me, or any of my social medias. What you’re describing is kind of a far end to the spectrum …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:46 PM
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I mean, the thing about being physically less developed in that they are relatively ignored (sexually) because being less physically developed is unattractive. Many times the best they can do is find a relationship and have sex via that method. Regarding their personality, it’s because of their experience. Let’s face it, if all of your interactions acting a certain way are negative, then you’re just not going to want to act that way anymore. You flirt, you get shot down 99.5% of the time. You ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 02:07 PM
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Same. Have an unattractive friend, cool dude, pretty charismatic due to being a trained actor and literally being taught how to speak. Arguably the most confident dude I’ve ever met, he’ll go up to any girl in any bar, club, concert, party. He got laid once in a year and a half with a chick like 70 pounds heavier than him
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:10 PM
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Lol, how could I forget. But nah, I’m a pretty social guy and it has allowed me to be in different types of groups and experiences. You’d think I’d meet at least one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 01:02 PM
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So you’re telling me all the women there were coming to fuck her?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 09:49 AM
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It was literally my house. And it wasn’t like her friends, or people who knew her, were the only people who showed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 08:36 AM
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Yes, but it’s not enough to make up if I’m not attracted to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:22 AM
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Not true at all. If I’m not attracted to a woman and she’s not attracted to me then why can’t we be friends? Women are plenty interesting, enough to where the can actually have a conversation with them about things that interest both of you, ya know like a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:19 AM
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You’re right, but who is saying it’s an issue? I guess it’s a very personal issue for the specific guy not getting laid. But as a whole? My inability to get the casual sex I want is not the responsibility of other people, nor is it an issue I’m expecting others to fix
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:16 AM
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Yeah, but even then your looks netted you your success regardless. Like I said I was throwing parties all the time, and I was not getting sex. In fact the only party hosts I’ve seen get laid were, well, attractive. But I’m short and average looking, so that’s not really shocking
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:13 AM
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Yeah but aren’t you tall and attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:37 AM
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Seriously. I lived with a few of my friends in a house in a major city while one of them was getting her Master’s. 3 stories, roof deck, shit was an amazing place for a party. We would throw a party once every month. Get beer/booze, tell people we are throwing a party and that was about it. It for sure did not get me laid, no matter how many people came out though. It’s not some magic thing that’s gonna make me appear taller or make my jaw stronger. The only thing that will get you casual sex as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:00 AM
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Both yours and the statement you replied to are correct
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:31 PM
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The wire had a funny scene about Couples Therapy Anyway hard to say as I’ve never been there. But most people in Couples Therapy are people who have are there because they tons of trauma that may have happened before they even met and they needed to resolve it before getting married on their own. Now they are together and one’s past trauma become’s the other’s current one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:30 PM
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Sure, but it wasn’t his personality or his actions that determined his body count. He was just physically attractive, a dude who is short, or is balding, or has an average to below face, or combination of those won’t get the same success. At worst he’ll be considered “creepy” and at best women will just ignore him entirely. Another friend of mine was an objective 4 and would act like the guy I mentioned before. In 1.5 years he got causal sex once with a chick like 70 pounds heavier than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:15 PM
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No debating, just attesting to this. There was a dude I knew in college through another friend. Pretty much the typical pretty boy Chad, tall, handsome, was a swimmer so even had the right body type without being “too big”. He was a known slut shamer, like he would brag publicly about all of his conquests and say shit like “man it was so easy to bang her”. Many women would even say shit about him, but wouldn’t ya know it he would still get laid like every weekend. His horrendous personality didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 06:10 PM
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I guess I just think anyone can get matches, because I’m not exactly attractive but I got them. How much casual sex you get is really the best determinant of how attractive you are (at least as a male). If you get no casual sex like me, you know where you stand on the attractiveness scale
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 02:58 PM
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It really does. Like my current partner is fucking hilarious. She makes me laugh all the time. I’ve been with unfunny women who I just don’t want to talk to because they have nothing interesting to say. It makes the time when we don’t bang absolutely unbearable
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:26 PM
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Funny thing is that this just seems like dating no matter what age group you’re in (except maybe the wife/kids part).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:25 PM
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She’s a Becky for sure. Kind of attractive, but not like insta thot status. She could go out and get talked up at a bar by a Chad/Chad-Lite/Brad to hookup and for an affair (which goes to the “only wants to bang and has a wife/kids/AND girlfriend). Brad also would probably want a relationship too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:24 PM
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This. You cannot equate sexual attention to romantic attention, in either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:21 PM
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Yeah. I loved getting matches until nothing would come from them (no hookups). I remember that feeling pretty well
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:19 PM
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Honestly, I come here to check for your Q4W comments because it’s always in depth and quality answers
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:15 PM
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Yeah that’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:13 PM
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To be paid - want to make easy money To pay - Want to live in make believe land that it’s real and genuine and probably don’t care that it’s all fake and forced on her part.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 02:28 PM
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Sour grapes mentality. You deal with what you can get, and that’s how many men view it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 02:27 PM
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I disagree. While I do think angle frauding can make a difference (my picture is evidence of it), a face is a face and you can’t fix everything with it. Nice pictures of an average guy are just photos of an average guy, they aren’t going to make you attractive. Plus at best it’ll get you matches, I got plenty of matches on dating apps but never got the forward, sexual messages actual attractive men get. Nor did I get any sex from dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 02:25 PM
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Well going back to my little “relationships” in HS, I couldn’t really tell you because highschool was more than 10 years ago. But for college on, it was a few different things ranging from I just wasn’t feeling it anymore, to huge difference of opinions on things to the point where it would make fights, to just them not being mentally stable and I wasn’t not into being their orderlies. A couple broke up with me that could just be described as not being into it anymore, which was fine and it happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 09:29 AM
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Oh yeah this is some out of the ordinary shit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 09:25 AM
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Depends where you start. You could have bone structure sort of “hidden” if you start lifting when you’re overweight and lose body fat. Like if you’re at least average height or close enough to it, there could be something there. You won’t know until you try. Then of course there is the road of plastic surgery if you find you still don’t have anything, this is the road I’m taking
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 03:19 AM
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That’s not what I’m saying. I’m pretty blackpilled when it comes to looks and casual sex. I’m average looking and short, I’m plagued by my genetics. But here’s the thing, most of the men in the bottom 50% don’t even try. Notice how I said “most”, because there are plenty in that group that do as well (me being one of them). If you find that you threw the effort in and still fail, then yeah give up. But if you haven’t even tried? C’mon
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 03:13 AM
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Not hard at all. Considering most of my previous relationships were ended by me, it doesn’t take much to impress or maintain. And if you find a woman who is difficult to impress and just absolutely obnoxious in that regard, then just don’t date her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 03:07 AM
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Not really. Most were average to above average, one was just objectively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 03:05 AM
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Depends how they look. If they look like the fat goth chick in your highschool who was into this thing of course they aren’t going to be sought after (at least by Chad-lites or Chads, but average guys sure). Now if they’re the girls who are attractive looking in both face and body, go to the gym, ya know all that shit then of course they’ll be liked
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 01:45 AM
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I mean why can’t someone in the bottom 50% work to get out of that bubble? Plus it’s not impossible to find relationships, I’m short and average looking yet I’ve been able to find them with relative ease. And they have all been fulfilling and worthwhile. It’s not that hard to find a relationship at all if you’re average looking, and even slightly below
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 01:44 AM
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It is. But his experience isn’t anywhere close to exclusive to only him. There are tons of men in relationships right now, most of them are average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 01:36 AM
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Met her in college. Met her through a friend of his.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:12 AM
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“Not meant to be a bragging post” then proceeds to make the beginning about how easy he’s got it and subsequently bragging 😂 Bro, just say you’re trying to make a thinly veiled brag post Anyway, I feel like the behavior you’ve displayed (at least in terms of a relationship) are things I have experienced and I am not only average looking, but short as well. Relationships aren’t built entirely on looks and personality can and does make a huge difference when it comes to a long term partner. Have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:20 PM
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