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Genuine question, because I also think the DiCaprio thing is weird and I'm not debating that. Power dynamics aren't only based on age. Let's say there's a 25-year-old and a 27-year-old. The 27-year-old is a multi-millionaire and the 25-year-old is out of work with no money. Is that problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:32 AM
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I think it depends on the specific scenario, but I do think a lot of the age gap stuff (e.g. 24 and 35) is getting out of hand. In cases like that, people just want opportunities to police others and to create scandals they can feed off. Others then follow along out of fear or to gain points. Definitely a product of social media dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:24 AM
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This post reads as OP thinking "I'm a liberal, therefore I can't be fit or have a good work ethic". Dude, yes you can. If you don't have a strong work ethic, you should get on that. I hate the idea that liberals are weak and weak-willed men by virtue of their political beliefs. That makes me suspect OP isn't a liberal at all, because who even sees liberals that way on the left? It's demeaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:30 AM
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It does in any conventional conception of "masculinity" - the kind OP is referring to - unless it is body-builder "fatness". Not being fit is generally considered unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:26 AM
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This whole section pisses me off immensely. "Lots of confidence, a strong work ethic, a rugged body, a desire to provide." Why should those be associated with conservatism? Or not associated with emotional intelligence? You can literally work on all of these. Being liberal is not some curse that prevents you from being fit and confident. Not all liberals are wishy washy soft boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:23 AM
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Being logical, taking responsibility etc. are things women in relationships do all the time. They frequently try to direct relationships, as much (if not more so) than men. Hence the meme of women asking "where is this relationship going?". If you're talking specifically about women making the first move, that's different. The rule that men should approach is driven by societal norms. That being said, you often see women "moving" towards men, just in more subtle ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:05 AM
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Bold to assume they read the novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:54 PM
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It absolutely can be a problem, depending on your habit. You will almost certainly find it easier if you dial it back. It's very, very common that young men struggle in exactly the way you're describing because they have a death grip/are habituated to their hand. It doesn't mean you have to stop entirely, just maybe do it less, especially around times you might get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:52 AM
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"I like to goon" There's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:58 AM
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It's more that those women were braver/more intelligent/more suited to leadership than the men around them at those times. And I don't think Joan of Arc would have accepted a man taking her place - she was religiously inspired. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that, on the whole, men are more patriotic than women. That's probably more nurture than nature though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:56 AM
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An employer laying off 800 employees, all of whom were male, sounds like it would classify as discrimination and would qualify for a media story. I've tried searching for it online. Who was your employer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:55 AM
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Are you currently a stay at home dad? I don't follow your point on the "soft echo" of the tender years doctrine and why that would require you to stay at home. Are you based in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:49 AM
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This is a great question and it's interesting to see so many vague, convoluted or non-answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:36 AM
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Some young men find the manosphere appealing. Not all of them, by a long shot, based on the research I've read. It doesn't make an impression on a lot of them. The manosphere doesn't offer an "optimal way to success". What it does do very effectively is market the idea that it does. That's why it works. It's marketing targeted at people's insecurities, offering them easy answers to real problems. At the end of the day, it comes down to truth and lies. People will often gravitate towards lies tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:22 PM
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You keep saying "the alternative". There isn't one alternative. I can substantially describe my personal alternative. But what will likely happen is people will pick it apart as being not right according to their personal criteria. That's the trap of conversations like these. If you're aware there's an alternative, then you actually agree with me that these boys/men do have a choice. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:01 PM
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I've responded to this below. To build on a point I've made there, I think people have been convinced - by the simple repetition of the meme that "there are no alternatives" - that the manosphere philosophy is the only one that exists. If you actually think about that for a second, it's ridiculous. Many boys who get drawn into the manosphere simply don't look elsewhere - or they actively reject what they see. For THOUSANDS of years, men have been talking about the way men should live. It is one …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:05 AM
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Let me ask you a question. Have you ever looked for it yourself? There are innumerable alternative role models and philosophies for how men should live. You can pick from ancient history through to the modern day. You can look at religion, sport or popular media. You could look at your immediate surroundings and men within your personal life that you admire. You could pick from multiple of these and define it for yourself. Do you really not think there are any other men out there who have propos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:57 AM
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Of course there's an alternative. The idea there isn't an alternative is part of the manosphere's messaging. Boys aren't interested in it because, unlike the manosphere, it doesn't have men marketing to children with rented Bugattis.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:07 PM
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Men turn to the manosphere because they are insecure about their masculinity. The manosphere offers an easy, simplistic idea of what masculinity is - an idea you can often buy - and they take it. It's fake masculinity, like a cheap perfume. It's feelgood, empty, templated shit. True masculinity is less childish and more complex. Manosphere audiences often don't want to hear it, because it asks them challenging questions, rather than telling them "affirming" things like "women are bitches". If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:58 PM
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That is some crazy formatting. I agree though. I think a huge part of it is that's simply how you create a saleable product. You can't sell "listen to women". You can sell "women are all lying to you, here's the secret they don't want you to know".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:07 PM
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Who's acting resentfully?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:03 PM
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I'm confused. You're saying people pick their looksmatch/get what they can get. I think everyone understands and accepts this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:34 PM
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You don't think people feel more alienated from each other now than they did in, say, the fifties. Or even the nineties? Do you really think phones, dating apps and social media are making people feel more connected to one another? It's not a conspiracy. There's no conspiracy required. It's the effect of the technology itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:16 PM
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This is an interesting finding if true. I would need to read further into it. It certainly suggests, on the surface, that there's a bias there. I think it's less that the journalists are pushing an agenda (e.g. men should depend on women) and more that they're fitting their stories into a pre-existing narrative (e.g. boys are getting lonelier, while women are walking away from them). A more realistic assessment is likely that technology is alienating all of us and, in our alienation, we are iron…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:37 PM
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I can see the parallels. That aside, I have personally witnessed multiple promising relationships crash and burn at the outset because of this dumb dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:56 PM
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If you're desirable, this shouldn't be necessary anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:48 AM
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I disagree. Life is too short to spend it pretending to be someone you're not. Express your feelings and be honest. If you're madly in love with someone, let them know. The amount of failed relationships I've seen because the woman was confused about the man's intentions is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:47 AM
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I think it's true that a needy guy is unappealing. It's also true that a guy who's just "nice" in a robotic, bland, unnatural way won't be attractive. Women do like a bit of push and pull. I think you're overcooking your theory a bit though. What women like is a guy who's his own person, with his own identity, and is confident and highly capable. Entrepreneurs demonstrate all those skills. The money is a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:40 PM
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I'm saying it's rare, but I personally know guys just like this - good guys who nonetheless struggle to find women who they connect with. I'm not some "red pilled incel" either. I just know, from personal observation alone, that that category of guy exists. Women too, by the way. Some people are truly unlucky. That's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:13 PM
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I think a lot of guys can't accept being alone because they fundamentally don't like themselves. They want someone to love them to make them feel like they have worth. To find a partner, you do need to put yourself out there, put in the work, and be willing to wait. However, there are guys who do all of these things, who do everything right, and still end up alone. They are rare, but they do exist. Yes, those guys have to accept that. However, it's a genuinely hard thing to have the universe tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:26 PM
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Perhaps technically. However, I disagree with your portrayal of the dynamic. A good relationship shouldn't feel transactional. It should feel natural. Yes, there's give and take, and you strive for balance, but I'm not ticking off the number of nice things my partner has done for me, then tallying up my own. I notice my partner making an effort and it reminds me that I should be meeting them at that level. Often, I will do something out of a spontaneous feeling of love as well. I'm not thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:51 PM
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"He got this idea from a social media bubble." And that's the problem, right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:07 PM
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That's fair. My point was really that the "bro-coded" branding of a lot of this material is beginning to look dated and that the misogyny that occurs on many MGTOW forums is not actually shared by a lot of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:33 PM
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In my experience, the MGTOW community is highly misogynistic, and the impetus for many men to participate in it is misogyny or overdramatized anti-feminism. This is/was certainly the case on Reddit, although I don't know if the MGTOW sub still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:30 PM
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This goes to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:27 PM
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Guys are really bad at assessing their own looks and the looks of other men. They miscalculate what counts as "average": when they share pics of what they consider to be average, they often show an attractive guy. Many idolize Clavicular, despite him being and looking like a weirdo. At the same time, most are also absolutely awful at taking pictures of themselves and making themselves look good on dating apps. Most guys' profiles are terrible: poorly-taken photos; bland, weird or non-existent bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:14 PM
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MGTOW recycles standard life advice, then repackages it with bro branding and adds in an extra serving of misogyny. Many of its useful teachings were already either common sense or shared in other forms. What it has brought into the mainstream is a that extra serving of misogyny and a huge misunderstanding of what feminism actually is. Fortunately, a lot of this stuff is starting to look very dated, and there is still a majority of young men who think people like Andrew Tate are assholes. In ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:29 AM
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It's a matter of perspective. In her reading, it's like men are horses. The horse that can clear the higher bar is a "fitter" horse. It's rarer and therefore more valuable. Of course, you can look at it the other way. In this reading, men are paying for access to her with deeds. Hooks ups pay less, "relationship material" men have to pay more. You can read it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:25 AM
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When it comes to incels/red pillers, there's no winning either way. Whatever you say, they will turn it into something that fits their ideology and makes women look bad. If you tell them honestly that you want a guy who's kind, they call you a liar. If you tell them honestly that you're not interested in them, they will call you a hypergamous bitch. Only if you happen to say something that fits the narrative will they accept what you have to say. The truth isn't of interest to those kinds of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:11 AM
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I think you're misreading her intentions. This comment assumes that OP wants unfuckable losers to feel better. The post is simply saying that she sees hook ups as lesser than "relationship material" men. A fact, clearly. The post isn't "tone deaf", it's bad news being delivered honestly. I don't think OP even considered the unfuckable losers while writing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:38 AM
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He's asking the commenter the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:26 AM
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I'm not sure OP's argument was even mantled, but it's definitely dismantled now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:02 PM
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When you say masculinity is demonized, what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:05 PM
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I think this is somewhat true, although moreso for the red pill than the (poorly defined) blue pill. In truth, the real answer is a mix of all of these things. You want to expose the best version of your true self. Self-improvement - like getting a rewarding job, focussing on your physical and mental health, taking care of your appearance - will help to strengthen and develop that identity. Both the red pill and the blue pill take a position on "what women want". The better solution is to decoup…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:52 AM
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We advise a lot of men who aren't blessed with the best looks to settle. Why shouldn't we say the same to women? At some point, you have to acknowledge your position or stay single. Power to you if you choose the latter, but you probably won't get what you want. It's not a question of someone's worth. Everyone is deserving of love. But not everyone can find what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:47 PM
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Yep, it's a case by case basis. It's kind of crazy to think that there would be one answer to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:54 AM
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All of the tips you wrote about in your post seem like common sense to me and not toxic masculinity. "Male dating advice" simply took basic principles of human attraction, then progressively built a faux-scientific theory of women on top of it. I don't think it ever "peaked" - as soon as the PUA/MDA social media influencers arrived, things got weird, and they've just been getting weirder since. 'The Game', which is basically the seminal text of MDA, took one giant leap into 'autism' and set the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:56 AM
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What truth was Tate telling people?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:41 AM
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This doesn't address OP's point. They're not actually claiming that men and women experience loneliness in the exact same way. They're not lecturing men on what loneliness is. What they're saying is that society fears lonely men (accurate) and that women are better at finding ways out of their loneliness (accurate). This is really a debate about how men and women react to loneliness. Women go out and forge connections amongst themselves. Men become isolated, sometimes turning full NEET or, in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:24 AM
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More men need to give a fuck about other men. A lot of men online will complain about loneliness or rail at women. But what are they actually doing to solve the problem? So many communities of lonely men devolve into snake pits where they feed each other's resentment and hatred or peddle individualist red pill bullshit. We need more spaces where men actually lift each other up and connect in a positive way with society, rather than isolating themselves further. This is primarily a problem for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:09 AM
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Male loneliness is really a problem that men themselves should be focussed on solving. I'm not sure why we expect women to take a deep interest in the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:02 AM
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Men who bitch and moan about having to do chores are simply lazy. It's not that hard when you split them 50/50 with your partner, and it's pretty easy to maintain an orderly household. If you can't organize that between yourselves, you don't have a good relationship dynamic and you're not mature enough to be long-term partners. Most people work office jobs now anyway - are you really too tired to do the laundry? "He's not getting a wife, he's getting a roommate." If your husband won't do his fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:36 AM
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But if we can't make sweeping generalizations, how will this sub continue to exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:29 PM
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I think you'll find women are still doing their share - and more - of the housework, as well as having jobs, and bearing and raising kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:24 PM
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Yes, but the hand-wringing we see from some red pillers over <10 body counts is really not reflective of men as a whole. At that point, it is likely just a matter of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:54 PM
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You're a good writer, but this comment is more rhetoric than logic. Your representation of feminism is straight up wrong. Have you heard of abolitionist feminists? Or materialist feminists? Not all feminists agree that sex work is good for women - not by a long shot. There isn't a consensus, no matter how emphatically you say there is. You're strawmanning even liberal feminists by saying they want freedom to fuck whoever they want, without judgment. Once again, the conclusion of their theory is …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:42 AM
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The "end goal of feminism" is not women exploiting high school age men for money. It's not "let women do whatever they like without judgment". Your understanding of feminist thought is also incredibly simplistic. There isn't a consensus among feminists on whether prostitution is good or bad - it's a topic of debate. All of this assumes that the vitriol you've seen on social media is real, of course. And it also very generously assumes that it represents the views of women as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:57 AM
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You haven't defined what "bad" means. I could say there are more bad men than women given that men commit far more violent acts than women. Or that men are more likely to have poisonous, regressive attitudes about the opposite sex. You've used sweeping generalizations and anecdotal evidence, but there's no compelling research or even a single citation to back any of the points up. So there's no clear definition of what bad means, but there's also no actual substance to support your assertions. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:39 AM
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Or, hear me out, women are a lot like men and want a partner who will be nice to them? People really overestimate how much women value a free dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:25 PM
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Isn't this just saying "nah"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:20 PM
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Correct. It's not simply because of that. If it were, movies would just be full of silent, good looking men smouldering. That's not romantic though. The romance is in the behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:39 PM
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That's understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:35 PM
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You can resent the situation, who wouldn't? But resenting women doesn't make sense. They haven't actually done anything to you, they're not in control of the situation, and they can't change it. You just end up being full of hatred, which is terrible for you and women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:34 PM
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Nope. Probably the most popular romantic movie in existence. Heath Ledger's character in that movie is the biggest turn on for millions of women, because of the romantic gestures he makes. Now consider the endless stream of romcoms that have come out since then. What do they all feature? Not just men smouldering for the camera. Men making goofy, thoughtful, romantic gestures. If romantic behaviour was a turn off for women, there wouldn't be the deluge of media out there that depicts exactly that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:47 AM
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According to the Modern Love Report in 2023, the top desirable traits in men were: kindness, emotional availability, stability, and shared values. Financial status was below affection and companionship. While I don't doubt that some women are happy exchanging cash for sex, we'll have to disagree on there being plenty of them. I think the vast majority would be very depressed at that being the prospect for their future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:42 AM
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Have you seen Ten Things I Hate About You?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:34 AM
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They do. But reciprocity is what holds a relationship together. And if you're in love with someone, you want to do romantic things for them. You don't see your partner as an ATM machine. What you're talking about are loveless relationships. They exist, but they're not that common, and they're definitely not what most women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:29 AM
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Not at all. I think romantic movies reflect what we believe the ideal relationship to be. They are a projection of our desires - they also shape our desires and behaviours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:26 AM
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I'm not saying others haven't experienced these things. I'm sure there are 'gold diggers' out there. I just don't think they're anywhere near the majority of women - and I certainly don't think the statement "women aren't romantic" is accurate. I'm talking about the overall behaviors and desires of women, and the common conception of what a real, loving relationship is. We can't know what people as a whole are really experiencing in their relationships - but we can make an educated guess based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:23 AM
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There's a balance, sure. But regular small romantic gestures are the ideal relationship standard for almost every woman. Being thoughtful. That's what women want. Neediness is different to thoughtfulness and it usually manifests through conversations e.g. men constantly looking for reassurance. Little gifts or notes that say I love you, given without the expectation of something in return? That's not needy. That's sweet. Should you be showering someone with flowers and presents every day? That m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:15 AM
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It's not just my experience though. It sounds to me like you haven't spent any time looking at media/social media that's directed at women. "Romantic gesture I did for my boyfriend" is an extremely common theme on social media. Movies directed at women feature women doing romantic things for their partner. Reciprocity is the driving dynamic of actual romance. If you love your partner, you do things for them. It's almost like you can't conceive of what love actually is or how it manifests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:09 AM
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"Women get turned off by romantic gestures" might be the most L take I've seen on this sub to date. And I've been here for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:02 AM
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I don't mean to be rude, but your comments sound like they come from someone who hasn't been in many committed relationships. That isn't how they work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:00 AM
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This is just memefied social media nonsense. Look at media aimed at women. Romcoms for example. They're not full of men paying bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:57 AM
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This is just straight up wrong. Every girlfriend I've ever had has been romantic and none of them expected me to pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:55 AM
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I'd need to know what you mean by "acting like an asshole" here to respond to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:52 PM
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I think this is what they call "letting someone down gently".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:23 PM
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We need to define toxicity as well. If you went on a spiel about hypergamy and the cock carousel, I doubt many women would be wanting to take you to bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:20 PM
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They do care. Will the (exceedingly rare) 10/10 men get excused for behaviours others couldn't get away with? Sure. But that doesn't mean women 'don't care'. Some women will "put up with" shit that they shouldn't, but they will still be bothered by it. That also doesn't mean that all of those more "average" men with those views aren't extremely off-putting - significantly more so than they would be without them. Hatred of women is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:17 PM
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What do you consider the major tenets to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:09 PM
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Well, yeah, attractive people have an easier time than unattractive people in social situations. They will be judged more positively. That's a human issue. Women experience the same thing all the time by the way. They're also judged negatively for being women sometimes. Human being have biases. Is it unfair? Sure. Sexism, lookism, racism, they're all bad. Life is easier for straight, white, tall, attractive men. It's unfortunate (well, not for them). I agree - it's shitty that unattractive peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:54 PM
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I'm interested in what you mean by "glances" and "compliments". Looking at a woman (not ogling her) or respectfully complimenting her generally isn't going to lead to "harsh judgment", beyond her simply not being interested. If glances and compliments are more than that and are actually an attempt to approach her, then yes, she might reject you vs. another man. Again, that's life. I think a lot of this simply comes down to women accepting ("tolerating") having moves put on them by men they find …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:37 PM
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Again, the point about "whether she benefits" is really about consent. That is wanted attention. Unwanted attention isn't going to be welcomed. Women don't generally want to be seen as porn stars. Yes, a woman being approach by someone she is attracted to will feel more comfortable than if she's approached by someone she's unattracted to. That's just human nature. Can an attractive man pull off a line that an unattractive man couldn't? I'm sure they can. Might one been seen as cringe while the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:10 PM
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On the porn example: it makes total sense that women are okay with being sexualised when they're paid, because they're consenting to it. Yes, it's true that attractive men are treated differently to unattractive men. Their advances are more likely to be welcomed. However, in my experience, catcalling is seen as harassment by most women, regardless of who it comes from. There are certain limits on "male sexuality" that are firm - verbal harassment, physical harassment, and everything beyond that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:48 PM
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I think it's common knowledge that there are many more men to women on dating apps, which is a big part of the problem. In this sense, men are at a disadvantage. There's also the issue of what men and women are looking for: as a rule, men are more interested in casual sex, while women are more interested in relationships. Because men are supposed to be "the provider" - a patriarchal idea - it's true that things like job, salary etc. are seen as important. Men don't value those things as much in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:24 PM
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There are toxic lonely men all over Reddit, including this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:21 PM
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Sure, but you're kind of agreeing with me here. Yes, there are many reasons a woman might choose to settle down, including financial stability or wanting to be a mother. Those are pretty typical motivators. The divorce rate is high because it's become socially acceptable and easier to do. We're just seeing the "real" rate at which relationships fail. However, the actual divorce rate has been falling post the 1990s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:35 AM
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That isn't my experience with women at all. When women find a guy they really like, they will settle down with him. At least when they get to their later 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:09 PM
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I absolutely want monogamy. I love my family but I don't want children. I do believe more women than men are now deciding they don't want kids and I think there are stats to prove that. Men are moving more traditional, while women are going the other way. What's interesting to think about is: why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:05 PM
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I think it's a shame that good people get passed on just because they don't have experience. If someone really likes you, and you're a decent person, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. It sucks that that's something you'd have to worry about. If you're inexperienced, it makes sense to want someone else who's at that same level. I think women make a big deal out of some men wanting inexperienced women because there's a double standard and also that those men see having lots of partners as some kind …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:41 PM
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Sure, some men do. But a lot of men with atrocious opinions about women get filtered out swiftly by the good/smart ones. I don't think those women are forgetting for one second about the men who might murder them. And the men who get away with that tend to be the true sociopaths who mask their behaviours until they're embedded in your lives. And obviously, some men dislike women. Why they would care about simps is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:29 PM
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I don't disagree with this. I feel like a lot of men put this on themselves though too. I just got out of a r/masculinity_rocks thread where people were calling men who cry "bitches".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:55 AM
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I guess it must be difficult to have something like that that bothers you and not be able to talk it through with someone without being judged. That's fair and I can see why it would make you feel sad. I'm sorry about that. Personally, I wouldn't judge someone if they told me they were a virgin, regardless of age, and I wouldn't be bothered if they wanted to talk about it. I do honestly think that there are plenty of other people out there like me who don't see it as a big deal. It's not somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:39 AM
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In some ways, I agree with you. Men should be looking beyond women's appearances. Men should stop spamming every woman they see on a dating app and look for someone who matches their character. Men should treat them as equal. And they should split the bill. On the other hand, I think a lot of men with really negative opinions of women have unreasonable expectations of how successful they should be with them. If you think women are vapid, greedy, hypergamic creatures, you aren't going to have muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:00 AM
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LMAO, it's very clear that I'm not calling women foids. I'm not going to explain to you why you got that wrong. I didn't know you were the spokesperson on what women want. Again, the projection is extraordinary. The fact that you think what I'm saying is "hogwash" perfectly demonstrates (for a second time) that you don't actually communicate with - or at the very least, listen to - women. What I'm saying is so blatantly true, you calling it hogwash is comical. If you loved women, beyond their ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:34 AM
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You are way too tapped into social media. Internet ≠ reality. I'm talking about how people actually feel, not how social media memes or their Instagrams portray them. Most women are not walking around thinking "I'm a goddess" 24/7. You evidently hate women - reread your own post. Yes, hating women makes you a bad person. Not least because you are completely out of touch with how they actually feel. Your post is dripping with disdain for them. And, as you say yourself, your characterisation is to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:06 AM
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Who's telling you to change the subject?! We're speaking about it right now. My point is: how on earth would someone find out about this? If you're a grown adult and out of college (which I have to assume you're not) nobody needs or wants to know this information. Sure, some people will think you're a loser. As I said, they're not nice people. But there is no getting around the fact that it will make people who do know (again, why?) question the reasons for it. This whole fear of "being seen as …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:58 AM
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This is a truly insane level of fantasisation. It's practically masturbatory. Most women will be like most people - riddled with insecurities. No one's walking around thinking "I am a god". I'm sorry, but the women who don't want to date anyone feel that way because of people like you. You evidently hate women. Why on earth would anyone want to be with a man like that? You want to be left alone? You are being left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:52 AM
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I think if people are telling you to change the subject, it's probably because they don't want to hear about your sex life. It's going to be irrelevant to almost everyone, except a potential partner. I don't think being a virgin should mean you get "disrespected". Everyone deserves basic respect. But there's no getting around the fact that it is unusual and it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that - unless you're really not attractive - there's a reason for it. I do believe some older virgin m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:45 AM
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This is a red pill talking point, not just an incel one. That's interesting because, by this token, red pill thinking is inherently misandrist. It perpetuates the idea that men's value is based on their looks and financial status. There's a lot of "internalized misandry" out there.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/11/25 07:07 AM
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Being verbally or physically abused by my partner would make it very clear to me that I was not loved. Everybody wants to feel desired, men and women. That's the difference between platonic love and romantic love. Still, if your partner is struggling psychologically with having sex, for whatever reason, you should be able to distinguish that from not being loved or wanted. It takes actual love for your partner to make that distinction. I would say that men who see things the way you describe don…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:47 AM
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Honestly, a few. This is based on what I've heard from women. How many? I'm not sure, it's probably not lots. But it does get raised as a problem. It's a mark against someone, unfortunately, in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:28 PM
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I believe this as well. The returns diminish the less conventionally attractive you are. It's the idea that being average and making an effort makes no difference that I disagree with. I also feel like the original post implies making an effort in general is pointless. But no matter the level of attractiveness, making an effort is a good thing to do, even if for your own self worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:05 PM
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You've got it backwards. You're saying a 10/10 man doesn't have to put in any effort. That's fair. A guy of average height who's overweight, dresses poorly and smells bad can 100% make some big improvements that will make them significantly more attractive. I've literally seen this with my own eyes and nose. Also, for the Nth time, not all women circle the same men, especially in clubs. I doubt your story in its entirety, because I see women leaving clubs with all kinds of men, all the time. Eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:14 PM
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This. The idea that there are hordes of roaming "Staceys" pining for a man is a classic red pill fugazi.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:18 AM
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It's certainly true that a lot of good men who don't meet a certain standard of height, looks or penis size get overlooked. However, if all else is equal, being an abuser does not make you more attractive than being a good person. All else being equal, a smart, kind guy will be significantly more attractive than a guy who isn't. The outtake should still be the same, no matter who you are: being an abusive asshole will not improve your chances with most women, and doubly so if you're not conventi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:52 PM
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I would actually, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:35 AM
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Jesus Christ dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:32 AM
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When it comes to personality, people who are confidently themselves are always the most attractive. It's not about being a bad/good boy. It's about being an individual with a strong sense of self. Mark Rebillet is hardly a bad boy but he's possibly the most attractive man on the planet, because he exudes confidence and he's a unique person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:29 AM
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I'm trying to imagine how I would do this in practice at work and I can already tell it's a hilariously bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:21 AM
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Being their own person, projecting confidence, going against convention, having a strong self-image. If incels just go around being dicks to people, I doubt that will deliver results.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:17 AM
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Someone who's confident and doesn't conform. Like a James Dean type. Moody, mysterious. Not a criminal or an abuser or an asshole. A bad boy is about the image. Women still want a fundamentally good human being to be underneath there. That's part of the appeal. Red Pill types seem to read the term incredibly literally. Meanwhile, most women are probably imagining Edward from Twilight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:49 AM
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This statement is made with so much confidence, as if it's a universal, normal way to think, yet it is actually pure Patrick Bateman. I could say the reverse: lots of people are good looking, big whoop. If personality doesn't matter to you, then yes, you're shallow. But you also sound hollow. What you're saying is that human connection doesn't matter to you, which almost implies you're a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:41 AM
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I am not saying "get rid of all desires". I am saying that we should be able to find meaning in life beyond the current obsession with sexual conquests. We should value them less and value understanding and the self more. I actually think the aim to see beyond desire that is found in Buddhism is a good one. But any Buddhist knows that that is an extremely difficult goal to obtain. What I want to change is the belief of many incels that life is pointless and worthless without a sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:27 PM
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That so many men have reached this conclusion is the point of my post really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:12 PM
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This is not a criticism of men. This is a criticism of a hypercapitalist society and our failure to invest meaning into anything but financial and romantic success. Yes, these men have a hole in their lives. My post acknowledges that, in fact. What I am doing is taking many men's claims on face value: that a hole has been created in their lives, which may be impossible to fill. What I am saying is that what men are grieving is not only the loss of a prospective partner, but the meaning that give…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:10 PM
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I do not exclude God from this necessarily. I exclude God from my own interpretation of where meaning should be found. I have made a comment elsewhere in this thread with regards to Buddhism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:05 PM
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See above/below, not sure where the comment will sit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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See above/below, not sure where the comment will sit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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Okay, my answer in a comment below.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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In my view, the goal should be understanding. I mean that in the broadest sense. Understanding should be the highest value and greatest virtue. Meaning: Aim to understand yourself as deeply as you can. Contemplate what it is you want from yourself. This is key: to put yourself at the center and be the provider of your own happiness. Know what you want from you and what you want to be. Aim to understand the world as deeply as you can. Commit yourself to a life of learning about the world around, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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If I gave what I think is the solution, my post would be the length of a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:00 AM
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"Late-stage capitalism is better than any other system." I agree capitalism is better than any other system, but the excesses in the US are far too extreme. Workers should have better rights, healthcare should be more easily available, the income gap should be smaller, and oligarchs should not run the government. "Europe is not any better." I firmly disagree on this and I believe the studies on perceived quality of life would back me up. "[Your final two paragraphs]" I think there are two respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:57 AM
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Well, yes. But then your problem isn't with feminist guys. It's with men masquerading as feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:09 AM
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You seem to be implying that feminism is women asking for men to do everything for them. Or that feminists are a group of rabid man haters. That isn't what feminism is. Feminism doesn't say that if men stopped being toxic, the world would be fixed either. You call that view simplistic, but that's a simplification you've created. Feminism is not women rejecting any sense of responsibility in relationships. Nor is it a war of hate against the other gender. It's addressing systemic inequalities bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:59 AM
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Masculinity is a construct. It assumes that men have innate, shared characteristics from birth. That's debatable at best. In practice, masculinity is what a culture thinks a man should be. It's an ideal. A model for men to fit. There are lots of competing models out there, some better than others. Unfortunately, these collective notions of masculinity often end up being a cage for men, because they necessarily say that if you don't meet their criteria, you are less of a man. That's why masculini…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:25 AM
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I really don't believe that feminists, in the true sense of the word, care about body count. Many wouldn't even ask the question. Sure, men who portray themselves as feminists and lie about that might care. But they're not actual feminists. The only correlation I can imagine here is that more liberal, feminist men gravitate towards slightly more reserved, introverted women. Maybe. But in my experience, that's not the case. If a man calls himself a feminist, then dumps you because of your body co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:12 AM
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Let's say men get sexualised more than they already are. Then all of the problems red pillers complain about (Lookism, Heightism etc.) become exponentially worse. Don't forget that only sexy people get sexualised. Those who aren't sexy don't get to reap any of the benefits of a more sexualised culture. Most men aren't David Gandy. They're not even close. Being sexualised also comes with negatives. It's not just being desired. It's being turned into a sexual object. That's why women complain abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:05 AM
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I think OP is imagining getting lots of compliments without the downsides of being objectified. Being sexualised is not just having people think you're sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:58 AM
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Liberal, feminist men are not gravitating more towards conservative women. They might gravitate towards women with gentler personalities, although I'm also dubious about that. You're reading people's perspectives on sex into the way their personality presents. Those two things are not connected in the way you think they are. Quieter, "modest" women can be as sexually liberated as louder ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:54 AM
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I don't believe this is actually the case. Feminist guys won't be obsessed with their partner's sexual history, nor will they care whether they are "sexually liberated" or "modest", however those two things actually manifest. They will match with whoever connects with them, physically and in terms of personality. I don't see sexually liberated women being passed over. I see either ugly women or unstable women being passed over, as with men. It sounds to be like you're imagining a caricature of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:50 AM
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Why do you care if people care how they dress?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 02:32 PM
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I really feel for shorter guys. Heightism is definitely a thing and it's dismissed too easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 02:14 PM
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I honestly think a lot of women (and men for that matter) don't want kids, period. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 10:58 AM
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No, I mean when most men start dating, through apps in particular, they are primarily interested in the woman being a human, living female who they can at least fuck. They are much less bothered about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 10:52 AM
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I agree with this to an extent. It's true to say less attractive men do have to have other qualities and dating apps don't do much to highlight them. At the same time, I think red pillers have warped ideas of what a 'decent looking' guy actually looks like. IMO, there is a small group of outstanding looking men, then a large, pretty even mix of guys that have at least something going for them. Most women who are seriously looking for a relationship, unless they are extremely good looking, will g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 10:44 AM
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Common sense (and your eyes) should tell you women are not all converging on the same 10% of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 10:26 AM
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Most women want a combination of things: looks, competence, warmth etc. Some matter to some more than others. Dating apps put an emphasis on looks. But the "top 10%" is a massive exaggeration, a myth. As is the idea that all attractive men are cheating assholes and everyone below is a nice guy. There are far too many of these men who turn out to be riddled with red pill ideology. Your post was asking why women complain though. The reason why is personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:19 AM
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Women aren't complaining about being able to find men. They're complaining about the men they find. By and large men are looking for women to fuck, so they care less about personality and looks. That's why it's easier for women to find men. And it's why they don't like most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:52 AM
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To think that being objectified, leered at, catcalled, harassed, followed down streets is a privilege is wild. Ask an actual women what it's like to receive this "attention". Because if you think this, you clearly haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:35 AM
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Dirty and difficult jobs are done by women too. You're thinking about the dirty, difficult jobs that require lots of physical strength. "Dangerous" jobs? In countries that allow it: the army, intelligence services, policing, to name a handful. You're being willfully blind. Looking after kids is easy? All I have to say to that is: LMAO. Women don't go off and build their Amazonia for the same reason men don't. Because they aren't chronically online NEETs obsessed by the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:27 AM
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That's exactly what they are doing. There are innumerable women-founded companies, women-only organisations, and women-made scientific discoveries. At the same time, you could say men have been 'leeching off' women, with countless hours of completely free labour. Never mind the unemployed red pilled men leeching off their taxes. What would society look like without women? Red pill men are completely obsessed by women, yet you don't need them? Yeah, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:56 AM
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It's an excuse. It's not like guys are planning holidays together and having gaggles of women pop up at the airport to join them. The actual answer to male loneliness is for men to hang out with each other more. But a lot of red pill guys are so chronically online they can't face socialising with one another. That, or they're using loneliness as a talking point to emotionally blackmail people when they either (A) aren't actually lonely or (B) don't actually care. As per usual, most red pill men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:40 AM
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Explain how you feel. Judge his response. Break it off if you're not satisfied or he doesn't change.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/25 08:13 AM
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Hmm, how might decisions about a body a woman is carrying in her own body affect the woman? Think about it. And putting that aside for the moment, what other decisions does the government make about women's bodies? Think about it. Where I'm from, men used to be allowed to rape their wives. That's a fact, not a myth. Is that not oppression? Previously, only men could vote. Is that not a privilege? Only men could study in universities. The list goes on. Not myths. Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:38 AM
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Holy fuck. That is some of the dumbest reasoning I've seen on here. Why are red pillers so obsessed with the draft? The government makes lots of decisions that impact women's bodies all the time. And what do you think feminism is? Define it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:03 AM
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They either have an impenetrable ego that means they can't see this or they're fully aware of it and are just in it for the sex/power trip for as long as it lasts. I cannot imagine dating an 18 year old and hanging out with their friends. The cringe alone would be unbearable. People get a lot more interesting as they get older. They know more about the world and themselves. They can stand on their own two feet. Life gets better with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:58 AM
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But "effeminate" men are considered attractive today. Where is the lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 12:11 PM
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If you are experiencing rejection as trauma, the answer is not to go to the red pill. The answer is to go to therapy. I mean that seriously. "Go to therapy" is seen as toxic advice by the red pill community. But in most cases, where guys' esteem is (understandably) at rock bottom, it's valid. "Just be normal" is pretty crappy advice by itself. But learning to cope with rejection - which is what it usually stands for - is the right advice. None of that is easy, obviously. But there are no easy op…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 09:44 AM
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You're not refuting anything here. You're not addressing what male privilege is or why it doesn't exist. You're just saying it doesn't. That's not an argument. That's a masturbatory fantasy of what you believe women are and want. There's no debate to be had here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 09:31 AM
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Women don't care about prostitution or pornography because a strange man is "getting it" elsewhere. They care because of their effects on women. And that only goes for some women, others don't care at all or endorse them. Open relationships: some work, some don't. Both men and women tend to get jealous when their partner finds someone else. Men are as guilty of this 'controlling' behaviour as women - just look at the threads on Reddit by men on this topic. The same goes for scenarios where men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:19 AM
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Projection in its purest form.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:57 PM
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This assumes that pure physical appearance is all that unlocks lust or gets women aroused. That's not the case. It also assumes that most women aren't attracted to their partners physically. That's nonsense. This "women only find the same 10-20% of men attractive" stat is woven out of thin air. In most cases, the gap exists because of poor communication. That could be down to either party. A lot of people are just too insecure to say what they want. Others just aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:40 AM
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Men will absolutely pretend to want something more, then bail post-hookup. You can make your relationship goals as clear as day. That doesn't actually give you any more security.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:30 AM
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Again, more fantasy from a man who refers to women as "females". I'm always fascinated by men like you who sit around inventing these scenarios in their heads. You say women should bring "more" to a relationship. Then you say "it's because you're not pretty enough". What exactly is it that you want women to bring to a relationship that they're not bringing? I thought women were supposed to have their pick of any man they want? That men just want a partner. Now, it's the opposite. Women's standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:24 PM
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This is satire, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:53 PM
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This just isn't true. I personally know a number of autistic men in long-term relationships, many of them married. I know an autistic man who stole a non-autistic man's girl. Autism is not some red flag that universally repulses women. If anything, it's being normalised.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:25 AM
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I often wonder how old the people who have this take are. The logic doesn't make sense. There are only so many "10s". If an "average" woman "really" wants a relationship, just like an "average" guy, she will find a partner who's on her level. There's a very limited number of women who will choose to be single for their entire lives. The "exclusive club" you're speaking about only lives in the hive mind of social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:46 PM
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You haven't even defined simping here. You've just said that marriage is simping. What is your actual definition of being a simp? What other examples can you provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:35 PM
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Absolutely insane reaction to some pretty straightforward comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:29 PM
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"Men love the spirit first" is rooted in evolutionary psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:10 AM
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I don't even know how to argue against this. It's pure fantasy. Some men are practical and look for a partner they can buy a house and build a family with. Some men don't give a fuck about the "spirit" and love women for their physical attributes. The same goes for women. Some women fall hopelessly in love with addicts and wastrels who burn up like a comet before the age of 30. Some women fall in love with a guy who's charming and funny (the most loveable characteristic, according to most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:04 AM
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Most of these are critiques about her acting. Obviously, there are mainstream critics who say she's "a poor casting choice" or doesn't have "presence". That's not what I'm talking about. There's no point denying that the vast majority of the criticism of her online centers on her being "too ugly to play Ellie".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:58 PM
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By all means, make that criticism. But then don't complain about us living in a society where looks determine everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:24 PM
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If you are campaigning against body shaming, then body shaming in the next breath, you are undermining your own cause. That's not illegal. It's inane. No one takes critiques of Lookism or Heightism or any of those issues seriously, because they (correctly) point out this double standard. Call someone a potato if you want. But don't come crying when someone says the same about you. That's what I mean when I say shut the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:18 PM
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You described yourself as insecure and jealous. Does that require therapy? Maybe. "Seek therapy" is usually shorthand for "work through your problems". Is feeling inferior to other men who you don't know, despite the fact the woman wanted to date you, a problem? Maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:40 PM
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You contradict yourself. If you feel like you're a downgrade, that is insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:09 PM
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"Light flirting" vs. "conversations about marriage" These situations are not comparable, so your argument falls apart I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:23 AM
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You must understand the emotions of each gender, which operate at a subconcious level; you are not expected to admit these beliefs conciously because your beliefs and actions can differ. The man is emotionally rewarded when his frequent urges (e.g, daily+) of sex are met. The women is emotionally rewarded when her urge to have sex with the most dominant man is met (during ovulation) and her social urge to resource commitment for her kids from her community is met. What absolute nonsense. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:24 AM
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Doing a corny approach where you drop a line is outdated for sure. But I think a lot of the advice is just encouraging men to interact with women in the first place, which will always be good advice. If you're freaking women out when you talk to them, you're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:27 PM
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Perfect for some, perhaps, but that would require them to be: rich, white, fit, attractive, privileged. In no particular order. I would tend to agree with some red pillers on here that emphasis on male body image and the emergence of online dating has created a more superficial dating market. And this has radically undermined boys' (especially boys') own self-image. While in some aspects men's lives have improved, there are still plenty of issues that mean they are not perfect. Boys growing up t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:55 AM
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I think "countless" is an exaggeration. Most red pill men seem to be troubled if it's more than 8. Actually, even that seems quite high. "Too picky, stuck up, bitch" are applied to women in a lot of rejection scenarios, not just when they "brag" about being too good for men (how many people actually say that anyway?).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 03:19 PM
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I'm not saying you said the patriarchy doesn't exist. Settle down. I'm laying it out as the premise for my argument. I can see that's where your interpretations have come from because they are fringe examples that could easily lead you to the conclusion you've arrived at. That is not what feminism is (or has been for generations). You are misinterpreting what is a serious, structural critique of society and taking it to be a slightly wacky school of male policing. Feminism isn't sufficient to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:55 AM
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The patriarchy does exist. Feminism aims at equality for women by challenging those structures. Real issues that affect women, like sexual violence, must be addressed through a gendered lens, because they are gendered issues. Feminism has, without a doubt, had successes that far outweigh the "backsliding" that you have noted. Your interpretation of feminism as an aggressive movement demonising men is extreme and, excluding the most extreme edges of the movement, a misrepresentation. Deconstructi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:24 AM
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Plenty of people have tackled the premise by pointing out that it's bullshit. This commenter was accepting the premise, then suggesting a response. There is no point in offering a societal solution to the problem because it only exists in OP's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:55 PM
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It's not often we get to see femcel energy on this sub, kudos. This is just the reverse of the "hot chip and lie" crowd who insist every woman is a leech.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:40 PM
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Wow that is such bollocks (mōria).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:33 PM
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It doesn't boil down to "deal with it" though. It says the opposite. It says there is a pragmatic way to approach and overcome the problem, rather than resigning yourself to it. It even offers OP reading material. If OP really believes the world is the way he says it is, and you take him at his word, then this is one of the only actual responses to the problem. Unless, that is, OP simply wants to complain, which isn't the purpose of the sub. 'Deal with it' is an unconstructive comment. This is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:00 PM
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What does feminisation mean to you and how would you address it? Asking in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/25 12:53 PM
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This has to be one of the biggest r/whoosh's I've seen on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:28 PM
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What do you want them to say? This is a debate forum not a commiserations forum. So many RP types come on here and lose their shit when someone has a different opinion or perspective. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:18 PM
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It's actually insane to see how powerful these social memes about women can be. OP is completely detached from reality in a way that is hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:15 PM
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I'm sorry, I have to tell you that women experiencing threats of rape, being afraid to go places alone, being dismissed or demeaned because they're women is INCREDIBLY common. You are deluded. Genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:09 PM
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Old man yells at cloud moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 12:06 PM
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They were too blasé about personality. You can be average looking but your personality needs to be something special in that scenario (or most scenarios to be fair). "Not an asshole" isn't nearly enough. Kind, funny, interesting - those three are the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:19 PM
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And once again, the guy complaining about women going for "bad men" goes on a rant demeaning women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 05:57 PM
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This is such a simple but true insight that gets overlooked all the time in these discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:44 AM
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Do you think that behaviour was rooted in his looks? Genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:05 PM
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A relaxed, casual attitude can be really attractive as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 04:08 PM
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They are superficially similar but very different in their origins and trajectories. MGTOW has devolved into a bunch of grifters and shitty podcasts, so definitely not effective. 4B has built a more coherent movement, especially in South Korea. In the case of South Korea, the act of stepping away from relationships is the change in many ways. It's about building financial independence, for example, by not having kids. It's about choosing, on an individual level, not to confine yourself to behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:13 PM
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And the same goes for women, right? Why choose a man that you're not attracted to? Yet at the same time, a lot of women are decried for being shallow, despite believing the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:07 PM
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Would you not agree that representations of men as extremely muscular, six-packed, driving Lambos etc. is making the situation worse? Sure, some things may not change, but that has not been the ideal forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:14 AM
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I'm with you, at least to an extent. That's why I consider men's liberation to be a valuable movement, at least when it doesn't slide back into MGTOW territory. There needs to be more dialogue and understanding on all sides and progressives have an equal part to play in that. As you say, progressives should be men's greatest allies. Building that relationship should be the goal. And that requires spaces like this one where we can have a real dialogue. Both sides need to come to the table with op…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:01 AM
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Mental strength or fortitude is important and valuable, whoever you are. I wouldn't say that it's that idea of strength that is constraining men, but the more physical and material conception of strength, often shown in blatant forms like muscularity, height or ostentatious wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:57 AM
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I would actually disagree. The media absolutely shapes our conception of masculinity, which you can see in fashion trends over time. It is more acceptable than ever for men to be more feminine, for example. There is much more that needs to be done on the representation of men in media (the point of my post) but the cause and effect is there. Whether this benefit is marginal is debatable. What I would ask you is, given the problems men face in dating, what would a less marginally beneficial solut…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:51 AM
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I think it's great to take pride in being a family provider and a protector. My issue is with the idea that this is all a man can be. This is where the idea of a mould comes in, which is that there is a particular form of masculinity that is valid and those who don't fit it are "low value". I don't think I disagree with anything you've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:43 AM
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This comes down to treating women as a monolith. There are lots of women who think being responsible and working hard for your family is masculine and who prioritise that over dick size.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:39 AM
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That's not feminist logic. That's the opposite of feminist logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:33 AM
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I actually disagree that that's how these movements behave. Sure, there are some extreme people who believe men are genuinely irredeemable. But I've met so many feminists and LGBTQ people who are completely welcoming of me as a straight white man, even enthusiastically. This is especially the case in real life, whereas online spaces can be more divisive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:31 AM
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I agree with you that there are too many exclusionary people across the spectrum. I think it's contingent on both "sides" to try and rebuild some version of an alliance, because they have so many shared interests. That being said, I do think the extreme elements of the Red Pill are making it worse too. But places like this forum are really important to help try and bring the sides closer, by helping people see things from the others perspective. Sadly that doesn't work all too often, as there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:27 AM
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I mean this sincerely, where do you think I'm blaming men as a gender for the problem? Because that was not my intention. What I meant to say is that men go against their own interests by attacking progressive movements that could help deconstruct false ideas of masculinity. And manosphere influencers specifically make that problem worse. That's to say there are specific men who, by supporting those influencers, are actually undermining their own position. This is a common idea in men's liberati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:21 AM
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I would define the manosphere as a collective of male influencers who focus on "restoring" traditional conceptions of masculinity and apply a MGTOW philosophy. The manosphere typically sees progressive movements as being in opposition to their work. But I would agree it's not a rigidly defined concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:11 PM
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Absolutely not. If it were, there wouldn't be a single healthy relationship on the planet.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 06:30 AM
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This is the effect of propaganda and it can affect almost anyone. I spend a lot of time around red pillers online and just seeing the same messages repeated lodges them in your brain. That's how it works. However, there's a difference between the thought coming to you and the acceptance of that thought. You could consider what you're going through a kind of intrusive thinking. The key is to actively reject that thought when it comes to you. You are not a bad person for having thoughts. It's your…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 05:24 AM
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It's impossible to give a counter argument, because what you said is an unverifiable assertion, not an argument. It also makes you sound unhinged, but that's by the by.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:23 PM
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RP types really need to stop trying to escape from arguments by just yelling "straw men". It's such a common tactic on this sub and it's lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:07 PM
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Everything you're saying comes back to the fact that you perceive yourself as not valuable enough to hold onto your partner. I would seriously question the people or community that gave you that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:48 PM
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This is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:28 PM
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Men who assign their partner a number and use phrases like "sloppy seconds" are not good men. You're describing insecure men, which is the opposite of being masculine. "Good" men love their partner for who they are and don't view their dating history through the lens of their own insecurities. This comes back to the fact that a lot of people who make these posts aren't good men themselves, although they believe they are. Their lack of confidence and warped view of women is likely part of why the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:49 AM
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Only desperate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:32 AM
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I'm sure you think this is a good rebuttal, but it isn't. You're just repeating the original assumptions, making your own assertions and saying "nuh uh" to the rest. When you say "openly, self-admittedly degenerate men", what exactly do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:28 AM
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Yep, only respect for the people dedicated enough to commit themselves to the gym. Also, I would bear in mind that your weight affects your mental health. The healthier you are physically, the better you will feel mentally.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 12:08 PM
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What you're talking about isn't really "dealing with the problem", it's discussing and analyzing it. Both approaches have value and it depends on the context as to which/how much of each you use. I do think men need to refrain from offering solutions sometimes, at least initially. I also think women could consider taking a more pragmatic approach to some problems as well. Taking feelings out of the equation can be valuable. So can bringing them in. More understanding and less condemnation both w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 07:30 PM
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While I agree with you in principle, this is easier said and done - for both men and women. It is hard to decenter something you are driven to pursue. That being said, I think this would be a good first step to repairing the current broken relationship of men and women in general. From dating apps to social media to beauty standards, the whole system needs to be reset.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 02:23 PM
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Everybody is obsessed with using the word 'fallacy' these days. Usually incorrectly. It is not rare by everyday observation. Vast numbers of men earn similar wages so obviously women are going to make choices based more than 'what they can provide'. Unlikeable people will obviously come to OP's conclusion. People do not have to choose between likeability and provision, they can get both from their partner. By definition, likeable people are liked, as this is what makes them likeable. The extreme…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:21 AM
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It's not rare whatsoever. The people who feel women don't like them may just be unlikeable. If you are a likeable, loveable person, people will feel that way about you regardless of what you provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:03 AM
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What does average look like? I mean that literally - can you find a picture of what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:36 PM
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I get you. I've been through this post a few times and I do think you can definitely argue, from a philosophical/esistential point of view, that sexual intimacy is key to the human experience. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, but I respect your opinion. I think the reason why a lot of people react badly to the statement that "sex is a need" is that it's not given the qualification is requires i.e. To me, sex is an essential part of the human experience and, personally, I feel like …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:04 AM
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What I'm saying is that there is an important distinction we need to draw between the following statements: Sex is a need. Sex is something I need. In my view, OP goes one step too far by suggesting that sex is "required" to fulfil the human condition. From that perspective, OP's post really boils down to this: personally, sex is something I need to be happy. That's all well and good, but one could replace sex with art or sports etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:53 AM
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Hobbes has entered the chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:26 AM
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?? I'm specifically questioning the idea that the state has no obligation to satisfy certain needs, based on the list provided. I'm responding directly to the post above, so I don't understand what your issue is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:25 AM
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I do see what you mean. I agree that it may be a subjective need - you perceive it as a need - but that is distinct from objective needs (e.g. food and water), in that it's only necessary from your individual perspective, at this moment. In this way, I "need" chocolate - I personally need it right now to be happy. But that does not make chocolate "a need" in any bigger, universal sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:17 AM
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I see what you're saying. The idea of sex being essential to fulfilling the human condition is interesting. However, I do still think that is (and can only ever be) a subjective opinion i.e. that sex is a need for you and at this time, rather than "a need" in an absolute, universal sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:09 AM
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I would point out that each of those things you've listed are actual needs, in the sense of being biological necessities, whereas sex is not. Objectively speaking, they are requirements for your own survival. One can argue (whether you agree with it or not) that the state has some obligation to provide you with them or at least create the conditions for you to attain them. Sex does not fit into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:54 AM
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You have found yourself a definition of 'need' that differs from most people's understanding of an actual necessity (something biologically required for survival). The plain fact is that sex is not necessary in the same way that truly essential things like food or water are. It's not even necessary in the way that money is, when looked at objectively. Subjectively, sex may be an emotional need i.e. you in particular feel that you need it. I don't and I'm sure many others don't either. You cannot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:43 AM
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I think the age gap thing is seriously overhated. A nine year difference really isn't that wild. I feel like we keep searching for things to be mad and judgemental about. If both parties are happy, leave them to it. Of course, people won't, because we love to judge others, now more than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 08:44 PM
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Exactly. It's not cucking either. It's important to assign those terms their proper meaning, otherwise what else could constitute cheating? Fair enough to say you're not comfortable being in that kind of a relationship. But deciding it's cheating is on you and the way you've mentally framed the situation. Because it really isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:38 PM
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This is an interesting point. My counterargument would be that the patriarchy can be overturned. That is the motivating force behind feminism. By contrast, the Red Pill says that there is a limit to what men can do to better themselves and women are hardwired to prefer certain characteristics. There is no "overturning" it, only improving your chances within boundaries that are fixed by nature. I agree that there is some truth in the Red Pill. That's its attraction. But the worldview it builds of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:55 PM
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I can see that being an issue if you're deep into fitness, but for a lot of people, it should be possible to bring your partner into your routine. Then again, isn't it worth sacrificing some of your rhythm to help your partner if they need it? That could apply to many areas of life - one person has to disrupt their preferred routine to support their SO. That's a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:44 PM
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I think this is true up to a point. But for a lot of people, physical attraction will naturally wane after their partner hits a certain weight. That seems like something that's hardwired. Although no matter what their weight was, I would still love them and wouldn't leave them because of it. I think people should be allowed to be honest about physical attraction, as everyone has different parameters, and it's not fair on either partner to have to lie or be lied to. It's a tough conversation, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:40 PM
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The whole concept of SMV is precisely the problem and the reason why some men will perceive themselves as failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:41 PM
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Okay, I read this comment like five times and I still don't understand it. You said my post was gaslighting but then contradicted yourself twice by talking about "Chad" requirements. This is exactly what my post is about. I think you might have had your own brain warped by social media. The idea that hordes of women are breaking up marriages because they suddenly noticed their men aren't Chad is obviously ridiculous, despite your anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:29 PM
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Exactly. This is what I mean about it creating unstable relationships. r/marriedredpill has a ton of examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:36 PM
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Because the Red Pill's narrow definition of value is unattainable for some. They will always be at the bottom of the food chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:34 PM
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But it also builds men up for failure. If you don't succeed in achieving its definition of 'high value', you are by definition a failure and unworthy in the eyes of every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:30 PM
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There's clearly a lot of confusion about what the Red Pill is today. The discourse about the "elite 10%" of guys getting all the girls is everywhere at the moment in Red Pill forums. Regardless, it's implicit in the logic of Red Pill theory that some men are failures or are doomed to failure if they can't fit the narrow mould it creates for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:28 PM
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What strategies in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:22 PM
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I'm suggesting the Red Pill is not a science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:20 PM
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The problem is the definition of value itself and the way women's desires are framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:19 PM
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I'd be interested to know what people think the Blue Pill entails. 'Just be nice' does seem like pretty unrealistic advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:11 PM
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Thanks for this! I do think that the influx of more incel types has heavily shaped the way I see the Red Pill today. To me, that's what the Red Pill now means, so this was an interesting read.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:08 PM
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As an extension of this: Your value as a man is necessarily limited, by your financial situation, attractiveness etc. What I'm saying is that by framing value in this way, the Red Pill necessarily says some men are incapable of achieving happiness until (or unless) they hit those markers. This means that those "low value" men will perceive themselves as incapable of fulfillment or relationship stability (as failures). The Red Pill, explicitly or implicitly, puts down the men who don't fit their …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:05 PM
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No, they do. It's an observable phenomenon. See the Pygmalion Effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:54 PM
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But that's just good advice. I've commented about this at more length elsewhere. As far as I can tell from comments here, the Red Pill says that there's a certain category of elite guys that the vast majority of women are attracted to. If you're somewhere below that group, you're increasingly doomed to failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:13 PM
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Subscribing to it makes it true. Whether it would be true otherwise is extremely debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:03 PM
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But I'm suggesting that the Red Pill doesn't express "the precise truth". At best, it exaggerates certain aspects of human attraction. So, from my view, it's giving people an irrational lack of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:58 PM
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I do sympathise with this a lot. And I get how it might be helpful to make peace with yourself, if that's truly how you feel. I don't want to deny your reality, but I find it hard to believe that no one - not anyone - could possibly ever be loved. And I think the Red Pill tells a lot of men who could that they can't. My point is, if this were a game, your odds of success will always be better if you believe you can succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:54 PM
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Can you explain this a bit more, re. self worth and self confidence? How does the Red Pill promote that? I'm asking in good faith, I genuinely want to know. I just can't see how that squares with a belief in 'lookism'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:50 PM
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Work in a design/advertising office, can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:09 PM
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Speak for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:08 PM
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<image> OP wants to turn it into a business apparently. (The profound stupidity of this question would be comical if it wasn't so disgusting.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 08:26 AM
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Good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:05 AM
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r/nothowgirlswork The combination of arrogance and stupidity required to make these takes is genuinely staggering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:59 AM
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I'd say it derailed their post, but they never got onto the rails in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:58 AM
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I agree with you regarding modern dating. I was just in time for Tinder and I absolutely hated it. You're not being yourself on there, instead you have to run through all these mind games to try and hook someone. Where I disagree is that we can't go back. My guess is that a reckoning is coming where these apps will become outdated and casual socialising returns. The next generation often tries to directly counter the one that came before it. My hope is that people will look back on late Millenni…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:06 PM
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You do exactly that. This isn't a science. It's an evolving philosophy and movement, formed out of a collection of perspectives. You can think about it like feminism. That is a belief system, evolving over time, formed by a collective. And the beliefs of the majority define the movement at any particular juncture. Like it or not, that is what the Red Pill is. I'm guessing you're on the older end of the spectrum, because your definition is outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:44 AM
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Self-worth is just that: "self worth". Your view of what matters that you articulate is true for you, but not for others. For example, someone who chooses to live off grid. Self worth is defined on your own terms. On your first point, this is what I mean by saying that the "agency" model is the conclusion of Red Pill thinking. To me, it sounds like pure assertion to say "what women want is...". Women want to choose a partner and style of relationship that is right for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:20 AM
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The things that people who call themselves Red Pillers use as "personal mating strategies" define what the Red Pill is and are extensions of Red Pill beliefs. Again, see r/marriedredpill. Your definition of the Red Pill is extremely narrow. But that is not what the Red Pill now encompasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:56 AM
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I have responded to the first point in a comment above. Your second point may be true for you, but the point is you get to decide for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:52 AM
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This is the Red Pill applied to actual relationships. See r/marriedredpill. The Red Pill is not some textbook-defined theory. It's a group of beliefs and a way of seeing the world that leads to a specific model of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:45 AM
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Everybody should have agency. That is the perfect scenario for both men and women. Would you like your agency taken away? No. Not because you're a man, but because you're a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:54 AM
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I think it requires a complete cultural shift. You need to create a consensus amongst the majority that this is something that needs to happen. Achieving that is difficult. You need a top down and bottom up approach. We have to bring these ideas into a wider forum through channels like YouTube, Reddit, political discussions, and the media in general. You need leaders and influencers to share the message and endorse it. On an individual level, people need to change their mentality and bring this …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:16 AM
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You can do it! I was the same. Trust me, it will improve every aspect of your life, physically and mentally, and you can start easy. I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:04 PM
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Society needs to get past this phase where men and women are pitted against each other. That requires some dialogue between both sides. We need the exact opposite of things like Fresh & Fit. We need open conversations about topics like men's mental health, in a forum where there are no hidden agendas and understanding is prioritised over conflict. People need to get out of the mentality that either side is irredeemable (women/men are innately bad) or a monolith (all women are/all men are). The d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:52 PM
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I don't think women are attracted to overweight, super skinny or obese men. But if you're in decent shape, with a good personality, I'm pretty sure you can beat out some ripped, dull dude. If you're not in good shape and it bothers you, get fit. Being both ripped and interesting is a killer combo. No point sitting complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:37 PM
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That man sounds like a tit. Man, woman or child, you should be catching people before they get hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:13 PM
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If your reasoning skills are that poor, I think you're in deeper trouble than terminological issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:20 PM
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Asking someone "what will you bring to this relationship" on a date is insanely bad advice. So is ditching someone because they sleep with you on the first date. Are you trying to ruin these people's chances? This isn't a job interview and it's not a box ticking exercise. Treating it as such will get you ghosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 09:46 AM
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Is that a more accurate analogy?
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 06:27 AM
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What were you "frantically apologising" for?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:05 AM
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"I've been abused by women who'd spin entire tales about my rapey incel exploits (edit: in the "internet cold reading" sense, to be clear)" Can you explain what happened here?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:25 PM
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Do you see the downside of that at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:38 PM
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This is something that isn't said enough. These views are not normal. They're fringe. But it's easy to believe they're held by the majority if you spend a lot of time on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:31 PM
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Open communication has never been "beta"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:26 PM
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Cases of female abuse are recognised though? Including the case you mention. Just try searching for cases of female teachers abusing pupils. They make headline news.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:13 PM
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They: invisible women. Them: these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:03 PM
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They are still invisible to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:49 PM
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Yeah, that is absolute bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:48 PM
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This is fucking bizarre. Who are these men you're talking about? Can you show me a picture? Genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:37 PM
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Bingo. These people really are deluded. I don't think there's any actual experience of this "phenomenon" whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:33 PM
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Everyone will always pick "the best that they can get". Your definition of what that is is absurdly narrow and demeaning. The best person for each person is absolutely not just "the hottest, wealthiest guy I can find". You are massively oversimplifying human beings as a cope. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:54 PM
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This is a good take. You would have struggled regardless. The internet is probably improving your odds, if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:49 PM
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Understandable. I think you may be overestimating the number of women who would do that though. In my experience, most women have a good moral compass and a really strong belief in being faithful. Cheating is considered one of the worst things you can do, even just emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:20 AM
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But they would be unattainable anyway. Look, you can superficially have an attraction to 'hotter' people. That's human nature. You can't change sexual attraction. But what people really want and look for in a relationship is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:30 PM
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I actually agree. I think some men (and women) unfortunately are in positions where they will naturally struggle to find a partner. Of course, working on your personality, becoming successful, developing interests and skills, being a good person, all of these can help significantly. However, again, not everybody is capable of doing these things. I think you have to ask, which of these can I improve? Where do my limits lie? Then, the good news is that there will always, always be someone else out…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:47 AM
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I did exactly the same as you. But not everyone can. And that is by the by in this case, as we're speaking specifically about marriage. In your own terms, I think it is acceptable for someone to "complain" about their partner ending a marriage over weight. Otherwise, what does marriage even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:16 PM
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A loving relationship should be grounded in more than a partner's size. It is perfectly acceptable to be aggrieved if someone who married you, "for better or worse", leaves you because you've put on weight. Now, I do think it is reasonable to have your own preferences for attraction. It is not wrong, in my view, to prefer someone of a certain body type. However, marriage is specifically a commitment to be with someone, through whatever may happen to them (or you). At the end of the day, weight g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:07 PM
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No wonder you're struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:40 PM
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There are other social spaces. Loads of them. My friend met his fiancée at a poetry reading a few months ago. Try going somewhere where you have shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:33 PM
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I think a lot of red pill content is insidious. You watch a video, kind of take it in, get fed a few more, check out a forum, come back a second time. Then, if you don't have a strong view on those issues already, the patterns of thinking embed themselves in your brain. This seems to particularly be the case with young men who don't have much experience or a clear worldview. The red pill appears to explain why the world is the way it is and even if you don't immediately buy it, parts of life see…
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 03:19 PM
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Exactly. I've literally never come across it, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:21 PM
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Really? Maybe for some guys in their early twenties, but I'm pretty confident most guys 30+ will be looking for something long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:14 PM
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I wonder if they would want a long-term relationship with someone like that though? It's not as if Chad pops up and women bail on their partners. And very attractive people can come with as much baggage (or more) than less attractive people. At the end of the day, I think people tend to pair off with people who are basically as attractive as them. In some ways, that can feel safer. So women or men probably aim for their own level.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:33 PM
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If you're being truthful, I think you've got an unrepresentative sample. Statistically, your personal experience tells you nothing about wider trends. Broad surveys will be much more accurate, based on sample size alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:16 AM
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Okay, you still haven't answered any of my points - and a lot of your answers are weirdly cryptic/evasive - so I'm going to leave it there. But the idea that "women" around the world are bleeding men dry, as part of some grand, tacit conspiracy, is genuinely delusional. I'm sure you would be a much happier, clearer-minded and more likeable individual if you took the time to question your assessment of women and why you have come to the conclusion you have. They are not evil masterminds. They are…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:02 PM
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And what would finding their balls entail exactly? Men who have "found their balls" generally don't see women as a threat
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:42 PM
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I think you'll find men enslaved both men and women actually, usually in the pursuit of money or power. And they definitely didn't give those to women once they got them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:39 PM
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Neither of these points are actually responding to what I'm saying. Let me ask you a question: If all of this is true, how would you suggest we remedy it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:58 AM
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So you think women are thieving by nature or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:37 AM
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Communication is the key to building any kind of relationship, even in the most basic sense. You have to talk to people to connect with them. That's what I mean. Assuming OP has already worked on his fitness/hygiene etc., there is very little he can do regarding his attractiveness. So communication actually is the key, in that it's the most powerful tool he has under his control, plus the actual way he will build a connection. If it needed stating, yes OP, get in shape and dress nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:35 AM
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I think it's hard to debate that point. Communication is obviously the key, unless you want to build a relationship through mime. But 'just' talking to women is clearly not sufficient. On the other hand, I don't think advice from any serious person would stop at 'talk'. It's more about talking to the right women, about the right things, caring about them and the things that interest you, plus the basics (good hygiene etc.). Still, talking to women generally can only benefit you in the long run, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:58 PM
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On your first point, I don't think we've (convincingly) defined "what it is". On your second point. Fundamentally, you cannot build a society where you only support those who 'love' you, in OP's sense, unless you want to return to some weird state of nature. We all 'consent' to the system of government through democracy. It's the social contract. Taxation is bracketed so that those with the broadest shoulders bear the heaviest burden, because we all, collectively benefit. For example, if a high …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:38 PM
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I mean they are unpaid. If you want, you could describe it as a trade of labour, and so not 'free' in my terms. That doesn't negate the point or my argument overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:22 PM
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I'm assuming this is in response to the last point. Again, I don't agree with OP's characterisation of the situation, but today the unpaid labour of women benefits a male-dominated society massively (unfairly in fact, IMO). Here are just two ways: Reducing overall costs to the economy by reducing the tax burden of childcare, eldercare etc. Increasing workplace efficiency and productivity by taking on non-work related responsibilities at home. Overall, this benefits men massively as a group by ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:14 PM
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Even assuming your proposition is correct, the situation would be reversed were women society's "breadwinners" and the traditional economic roles were inverted. I think "forced" is an emotionally charged word and I'm not sure I agree with that characterisation. Most men (and women) in a stronger economic position will support their partner, family and community willingly. This is why we have tax brackets, a system widely endorsed by the voting public, even if we debate the exact percentages each…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:58 AM
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