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ilurkokcupid/r/seduction02/06/11 06:04 AM
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OK thanks. But, I'd still like this question answered: Should you open with a push?
/r/seduction05/06/11 06:25 AM
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OK, so when do you start using this technique and when do you stop using it? EG: Should you open with a push, if it comes to mind? EG: Should you use this technique for the whole relationship if you can keep it up?
/r/seduction04/06/11 09:13 AM
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I get the impression that LA/Hollywood adds a lot more challenge to hooking girls. I'm sure anyone in a club/bar has a thick bitch shield up. Why didn't you consider PU in another city?
/r/seduction03/06/11 11:28 PM
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Example isn't another way to teach, it is the only way to teach -Albert Einstein I know what would help me. An AFC -> PUA language dictionary. I think we have the first entry right here. Don't say: "Where's the peanut butter?" Instead say: "You know, I've been looking for a while and I can't find the peanut butter anywhere." I would love for you guys to come up with more examples here so I get the hang of this technique.
/r/seduction02/06/11 10:01 PM
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Ah yeah, she said it was a tabloid.
/r/seduction02/06/11 05:17 PM
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Yes, they are definitely open ended but neither of her examples were questions.
/r/seduction02/06/11 06:42 AM
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Notice the question mark at the end of my second line.
/r/seduction02/06/11 12:29 AM
3

... what's your point? I've got a similar experience as you and chatted with a few that have tried to be funny. I actually talked to one girl that I thought was funnier than me.
/r/seduction01/06/11 11:08 PM
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Why was that a shit test? How do you pass/fail that specific one?
/r/seduction01/06/11 10:14 PM
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They are way less interested. Imagine how you'd respond if you were IMing with 2 other people at the same time and every 15 minutes you got a new message. That's what it's like to be a HB on OKC.
/r/seduction01/06/11 10:05 PM
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It's rare that a girl is that responsive to me on okcupid. Usually it's: Me: *Funny comment* Her: Hahah Me: *after waiting* So... *funny comment?* Her: Hahah And so on. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
/r/seduction01/06/11 08:33 PM
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Unfortunately, I have a date (all thanks to /r/seduction, mind you). When does he stop answering questions?
/r/seduction01/06/11 01:18 AM
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I think the channel should be +s. It stands for secret. That means when people outside of the channel do a whois on you, they don't see that you're in the channel.
/r/seduction28/05/11 10:41 PM
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I still confused. It doesn't help that the abdomen is a huge part of the human body. Also, I've dated a few girls that hate having their tummy touched because it makes them self conscious about their weight. Also, I can't think of any way to touch someone's abdomen in a way to gesture, "follow me". It makes a lot of sense to touch someone's lower back and do that, though.
/r/seduction28/05/11 12:39 AM
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Do you think the "xo" part is important? I don't really talk/text people like that.
/r/seduction28/05/11 12:09 AM
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TBH, I'm discouraged by all the things in /r/seduction that belong in /r/askseddit. There are some really good questions being asked and I think my novice FR will be downvoted to oblivion for not ending in a crazy F-close.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:45 PM
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brushing abdomen while talking Does anyone have a video of this or can someone describe it in thorough detail? I don't get this one.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:35 PM
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Interesting video. Would you guys say that a lot of the jokes were self deprecating? I asked on askseddit a while ago if you should ever tell self deprecating jokes and the majority of people told me not to.
/r/seduction26/05/11 12:23 AM
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This is an amazing post. I think it should be in the sidebar.
/r/seduction25/05/11 10:27 PM
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OK, that's some anecdotal evidence and I've got contradicting anecdotal evidence. I guess it's a wash. I should mention I've been with plenty of chicks for multiple months and it didn't turn out the way yours did. I'd rather hang out with a chick who starts awesome than a chick who starts boring and turns out to be awesome. Less risk that way. You can end up wasting an awful lot of time.. Regardless, I think you're missing the spirit of my advice. Consider her boring until she proves otherwise a…
/r/seduction25/05/11 06:58 AM
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I'm sure there have been dozens of posts of guys asking the same advice and they weren't treated with this attitude.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:33 AM
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This is a valid post and I don't want to detract from it. But, long term you'll probably be bored shitless with this girl. You say the top hook up in your life, but you probably mean purely on a physical rating. Enjoy the honeymoon phase while it lasts. I'm being a total negative nancy here. But, maybe you can use this to avoid oneitis and to have a "I don't give a fuck" attitude.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:18 AM
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Yep, I read that before I made my post. Can you stop trolling, please?
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:34 PM
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Crossdressing isn't necessarily related to homosexuality. There are lots of straight crossdressers. You must feel terrible right now. Can you stop trolling, please?
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:29 PM
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So... were you sitting down? I assumed you were standing.
/r/seduction22/05/11 11:10 PM
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My posture was kind of defensive, I was holding my beer near my chest instead of near my thigh/legs. I can't visualize this. Wouldn't your beer spill or your wrist be extremely uncomfortable in this position? Do you hold it from the top around the rim? That's the only way I see this being possible.
/r/seduction22/05/11 07:47 PM
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I'm sure his balls are enormous.
/r/seduction15/05/11 07:50 AM
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Me: Yeah you look too good of a girl for me. Doesn't sound like that great of a line, but congrats for talking to her!
/r/seduction13/05/11 08:42 AM
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That's a cool story, but I don't see what the first sentence has to do with the rest of it. Were you actively trying to seduce the HB4? If not, the moral is more about befriending everyone than having alternative options.
/r/seduction11/05/11 09:35 PM
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Haha... they were like HB4s. But, I'm thinking it's better to have some options than no options.
/r/seduction11/05/11 09:16 PM
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Ha, that's why I'm not masturbating tonight.
/r/seduction11/05/11 08:04 AM
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I was hanging out with my two friends tonight and we were talking to two girls who were, frankly, unattractive. Personally, I would have fucked them but my other two friends claimed they wouldn't. As a result, nobody really paid them much attention, we got bored and walked away from them. Was the right thing to do here to try to seduce them and at least #-close? Because, right now I literally have no best-alternative. Or, am I totally misunderstanding the lesson here?
/r/seduction11/05/11 07:45 AM
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upvoted
/r/seduction11/05/11 07:35 AM
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Today I was practicing the belt loop posture. I told my friend about it and he said he does the same thing. When he showed me, he was doing the incorrect gesture: He was sticking his thumbs in his pocket and his hands outside. This is the opposite of what you want. Only then did I realize that my shirt was draped over the front belt loops. See an example here: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/313266380_67dc9ffbb2.jpg I think that the belt loop posture could easily be mistaken for the thumbs in…
/r/seduction11/05/11 07:27 AM
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I went to an NLP meeting and they told me that's true for 80% of the population. For the other 20%, it's the opposite. It's an NLP meeting though so be skeptical.
/r/seduction11/05/11 02:30 AM
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Yeah it was awesome. I can really relate to jerseykid.
/r/seduction11/05/11 12:31 AM
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Yes, but I've also read that not showing your hands suggests you don't want to be talked to or you're hiding something.
/r/seduction10/05/11 08:03 AM
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when listening, I recommend tucking your thumbs in your pockets I've read that hiding your thumbs shows a lack of confidence.
/r/seduction09/05/11 05:53 PM
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If you drew enough attention to yourself to get yourself kicked out of a place, you were being an asshole. I know it's tempting to connect those two incidents together because they're in the same FR but the only connection between them is they happened in the same night. When I got kicked out of the wine lounge I never even told a joke while in there. Unfortunately, there wasn't an unbiased observer that could vouch or criticize what I was doing but here's some details: The night before when it …
/r/seduction08/05/11 09:35 PM
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That's not how I reacted at all, but there's no way you could know that from the FR I wrote so I understand where you're coming from. I didn't say the joke to say, "Well fuck you, then." I said it to make them (and more importantly me) laugh. There was no more thought into it than that. I would have opened with it if I thought of it earlier. EG: Hey, are you native american? No? Well then you won't mind taking a picture with my friend over here would you?
/r/seduction08/05/11 09:25 PM
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I would like to present some actual OKC evidence here. I lost contact with a girl 6+ months ago after she deleted her account. She made a new one recently and I messaged her saying this: You look familiar. If you're the person I think you are we made a lot of black jokes together. If you aren't that person, then I probably just offended you. As an apology, please accept this free joke: A man drives up to the top of a cliff, sees a little girl looking over the edge, and he stops, gets out of the …
/r/seduction08/05/11 10:20 AM
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From what I could tell, the PEN model was indifferent to gender. Does anyone have a link to a study that Adam Lyons constantly refers to? I'm talking about the study that says "this PEN type likes this personality type".
/r/seduction07/05/11 09:04 PM
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I googled "PEN model" and this was the first link: http://www.personalityresearch.org/pen.html Googling for "pen personality" gives a bunch more links.
/r/seduction07/05/11 08:27 PM
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How are you meeting the girls? If it's on online dating sites I recommend giving that shit up. There's a reason my name is ilurkokcupid. I was active for 2+ years and I always ended up settling for less. Now, I just lurk it. The problem with these sites is the females have too much choice and it paralyzes them from replying. Here's a video that explains the problem (it's not related to seduction): http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html
/r/seduction06/05/11 06:34 AM
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Oh, and you know what the weird thing about this is? I went solo this time which I hadn't done in a while. I realized while I parked... "Wait a second. I'm not nervous at all. I forgot to be scared about soloing" Soloing at a bar used to terrify me. It probably still scares me a bit. But, after going to bars (solo and with friends) about 15 times, I am close to getting over it.
/r/seduction06/05/11 06:24 AM
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This isn't interesting enough to make an FR about so I'll just post it as a comment. Tonight I peacocked at a bar for the first time. I came from a hypnosis meetup I found on meetup.com and I left my name tag on at the bar. As a result, everyone that looked at my shirt could tell what my name was. I opened the group in front of me in the line and a guy said, "Oh, whatup ilurkokcupid?! We go way back. Remember, we used to work together?" I went up to a bartender and asked, "What's my name?". 2 di…
/r/seduction06/05/11 06:20 AM
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What does STEM stand for?
/r/seduction06/05/11 06:10 AM
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Finding commonalities is one of the easiest rapport building tactics there is. Just throw stuff out there until you find something in common and run with it. Can you give an example of how to do this?
/r/seduction06/05/11 01:03 AM
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Slightly related question for you. I have a hypothesis that it's a bad idea to open or ask early on about what a girl does professionally. Yes, you can thread conversations from it, but it's difficult to make an emotional connection from the threads. For example, during day game I met a girl who has a PHD in chemistry and has the job for coming up with the tests they give to patients in preliminary trials for drugs. I found her profession so interesting I just ended up picking her brain. I didn'…
/r/seduction06/05/11 12:08 AM
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thanks :) I appreciate that.
/r/seduction05/05/11 08:47 PM
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I never would have thought of this as an option. Here's how I imagine it going wrong. As soon as I talk to the other set, CB uses my distraction as an opportunity to break up F1 and HB's convo. Yep, my fear is contrived, but how do I prevent that if it happens?
/r/seduction05/05/11 07:14 PM
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That's a bad perspective for self improvement. Every milestone towards a goal is a victory. When you're starting a band and you get your first gig, you don't think, "You're not rich and famous which means you didn't accomplish shit."
/r/seduction05/05/11 04:18 AM
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Yes it was David Wygant and he mentions it in the MP3s you can find on the right. He also mentioned to bring a notepad and write it down. I have not done this, I've become kind of addicted to talking to strangers so I don't want to take a break. Also, I think this advice was for coming up with openers, not conversation in general. I don't have much of a problem with openers anymore but I still suck at keeping the conversation going. Maybe it helps for both though?
/r/seduction04/05/11 10:34 PM
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About day/night game being completely different beasts, am I just going to end up confusing myself if I try to get good at both simultaneously? Because for me the choice is easy: I've never wanted to go to bars or clubs. I just do that stuff because it completely takes me out of my comfort zone. BTW, sucks about how rare it is to find a decent girl where you live.
/r/seduction03/05/11 07:39 AM
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Thanks, I really appreciate it. I loved this line: Anybody in a store can have that conversation I'm not a fan of grocery store shit What's your preference then? Do you dislike day game in general or just doing it at grocery stores?
/r/seduction03/05/11 07:08 AM
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With the first girl, we were talking about peanut butter the whole time. But I think I stretched it out to 30-60 seconds. I think, yeah, she was interested. I couldn't think of a transition so I just went with the, "you're cute" line! And after I said it, I still couldn't think of a transition! What should I have done? Should I have thrown out a complete non sequitur? Here's a perfect example of what I could have said: "So, do you go to _____ college?" "Yes" "Ah, I recently visited that college …
/r/seduction03/05/11 06:30 AM
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Great advice and I appreciate it. Your last paragraph is a topic in and of itself, IMO. You showed interest early by helping her out with shit (which isn't bad, per se, but you could've spiced it up a bit). Any example on how you would have spiced this up? I don't remember how we got into this topic. I think there was a lull in the conversation and she started looking for something and to keep her hooked I asked what she was looking for.
/r/seduction03/05/11 06:25 AM
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What exactly is a neutral posture?
/r/seduction03/05/11 05:20 AM
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I was the same way 2 months ago. I still get nervous about going to bars. You have to start small. Listen to the David Wygant mp3s (but don't put as much emphasis on openers like he does), talk to everyone. Once you get comfortable with that, you'll get the itch to try a bar because you'll realize how addicting challenging yourself becomes. I've become somewhat of a social daredevil. But, it started with me just talking to store employees.
/r/seduction02/05/11 10:14 PM
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I read about it. On another day I saw a girl in the makeup isle and I couldn't think of any indirect way to talk to her or reason to be in that isle. Someone suggested I use that opener.
/r/seduction02/05/11 06:16 PM
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True true! I started my day wanting to use a direct opener, but I settled for an indirect to a direct because it was easier for me to do. Would a direct opener work better?
/r/seduction02/05/11 04:52 AM
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:) I assume you're asking about the cashier? I wouldn't do her. I just wanted to make her day.
/r/seduction02/05/11 04:48 AM
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Doesn't this go against the "Talk to everyone" advice?
/r/seduction01/05/11 08:34 PM
1

OK, cool. But what about this scenario: They look deep in conversation and the girls kinda look like they're into the guys. Opening the group would be an obvious interruption. Do you still do it?
/r/seduction01/05/11 08:15 PM
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...two guys two girls. I walk over, "Hey so you guys must be Sarah's crew". Weren't you worried you were cockblocking the two guys? I never approach sets with mixed genders because of this fear. What's the ettiquette on doing this?
/r/seduction01/05/11 06:51 AM
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I disagree with the second part of your first point. I prefer texting before hand instead of talking on the phone and here's why: Lets say the phone convo goes really well. She now will have all these preconceived princess fantasies about how well the real date will actually go. It just makes it harder for you on the real date. Lets say the convo goes bad. Now she's more likely to flake on the real date.
/r/seduction30/04/11 07:58 AM
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I think this is the best advice here. And keep this in mind, I'm the type of guy who if you gave strong indication you were DTF early I'd be turned off because I'd be wondering if you do that every night. That said, this advice would work on me. It's way better than any thing you could have said.
/r/seduction29/04/11 10:49 PM
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You might want to avoid # closing people that work at stores. It's their job to be nice to you so it's easy to misconstrue it as an IOI. Also, it might make it awkward to go back to that store in the future. That said, it's great practice, warm up and social proof to do, so don't stop talking to the employees.
/r/seduction29/04/11 06:59 PM
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I'm really surprised that she made out with you in the end. Seems like 99/100 times that wouldn't work. Congrats.
/r/seduction29/04/11 05:33 PM
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I don't know if you can say he's solid or not. This seems super contrived. The vid has 2-3 camera angles, great lighting and great sound. There's probably a visible camera crew to his side. When you think you're going to be on TV you probably act differently than you would in real life. I wouldn't be surprised if he got rejected if he did it without a camera crew or dancer.
/r/seduction29/04/11 01:30 AM
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I'm not sure if I can take anything away from this. But one thing that's interesting is at 2:58. Notice how the dancer's body language changes once he gets his face squeezed. Found that pretty funny.
/r/seduction29/04/11 01:25 AM
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Good. It helps me get over AA and helps me warm up.
/r/seduction28/04/11 09:48 PM
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Here's what I do: I use touch to get their initial attention. Touch their arm and then use an opener, not the other way around. This has the added benefit of ensuring you have their attention. When I open with words alone, sometimes the person doesn't even know I'm talking to them. That dings my confidence a bit and this rule prevents it.
/r/seduction28/04/11 09:46 PM
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You have to be absolutely certain they are really your friends before you tell them. I told people I thought were my friends and they just told me I was acting weird and tried to discourage me and tell me how I just need to be more attractive. Unless you see a real benefit to it, I don't see it being worth the risk when you're just starting out. Once you get the, "I don't give a fuck" attitude, well then, you can tell them if you want to because who gives a fuck.
/r/seduction28/04/11 09:38 PM
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I'm still in beginner mode so I actually prefer talking to girls I'm not attracted to. It's an almost guaranteed way to not be outcome dependent.
/r/seduction28/04/11 09:26 PM
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I feel like every set started in the middle. I would have found it more helpful if they started in the beginning. Either way, great vid.
/r/seduction27/04/11 08:08 PM
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What's the connection to fapping and being more alpha? Being alpha applies to interactions with men, too.
/r/seduction27/04/11 12:53 AM
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Question for you all. If a girl is smart, do you think you can connect emotionally with her about cerebral stuff? EG, you find out she's a pathologist and you bring up a ted talk you saw about how bacteria communicate. Is that usually a bad path to travel?
/r/seduction26/04/11 05:15 PM
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A major problem I seem to have is that once I find out a woman is smart, I just want to talk about cerebral stuff, not connect emotionally. Wow this is so true. I didn't even know I had this problem until you mentioned it. Also, good examples of how to have fun w/ conversation. I think when I see a HB shit gets serious for me. If I'm not outcome oriented I'd be more like you. I'll try to practice that in the future.
/r/seduction26/04/11 05:09 PM
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Pretty hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction24/04/11 07:10 AM
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In addition, I just went to a party of 20-30 and just opened every single person in the place. It gets easier. You just have to passionately commit to getting better.
/r/seduction24/04/11 02:34 AM
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I think you and blacktintedshades are both making valid points. Handing her the phone is probably a better way to get a number. But, my main problem was that I didn't build up enough attraction/comfort to be ready to ask for it.
/r/seduction24/04/11 02:23 AM
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I'm a little confused about your second point because I said: "Hey, you know we're about to get some frozen yogurt that's across the street. Do you guys want to join us?" Isn't that the same as saying, "Hey we're going to this yogurt place across the street, you're welcome to join us"? If not, can you explain the difference because this seems like a key detail I don't understand.
/r/seduction24/04/11 02:21 AM
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I say no. The first time I went out to try to get over my AA, I talked to strangers for 2-3 hours and felt exhausted from it. Yesterday, I went rock climbing for 3 hours talking to strangers then went to a bar for 2 hours to talk to strangers. When the night was over, I had so much endorphins in my blood I couldn't sleep for another 3 hours. With practice, you gain endurance. I've only been doing this for 1.5 months.
/r/seduction23/04/11 08:29 PM
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Permission for what? I'm a little slow, can you spell it out for me? "Example isn't another way to teach, it is the only way to teach" -Albert Einstein
/r/seduction23/04/11 08:07 PM
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Great advice. Sounds like you're saying, "Saying no will take practice", just like everything else in seduction. Makes sense.
/r/seduction23/04/11 08:06 PM
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Why the FUCK is this getting downvotes? Good job man. Your state after the set ignored you is amazing. Keep at it.
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:34 AM
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Cool man, that's kind of badass. Talking to someone in a car sounds like a good way to get over AA but for the reasons you've already explained it seems like an extra challenging way to get a #.
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:30 AM
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I guess because she could just throw it back and go about her way. If she attempts to do that, it would be rather awkward to try to continue talking to her. Note: I did not downvote you.
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:28 AM
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This guy sounds really soft spoken and I wouldn't assume he's good with girls by his voice or clothes. I kind of like that every PUA is different.
/r/seduction21/04/11 06:46 AM
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1) You approached, opened and hooked. 2) You opened and got blown out. I'm sure you learned from it. You'd feel worse right now if you just let her walk by, right? 3) You approached the hottest girl in the room. I've been doing this for over a month and I still haven't ever approached the hottest girl in the room yet. Just change your perspective and keep doing it. You're doing great. Your friends aren't helping you see things in the right light, btw. I'd ditch them next time.
/r/seduction21/04/11 06:29 AM
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I misinterpreted what you were saying. I thought you were trying to tell me to say this when they ask for water and chips at the same time. My mistake. Now I get it. Good advice.
/r/seduction20/04/11 11:54 PM
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Interesting interesting. That sounds like a very useful tool. Do you have any tips on how I can turn down their compliance tests?
/r/seduction20/04/11 11:38 PM
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Because I didn't know they'd want it in the future.
/r/seduction20/04/11 10:43 PM
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It didn't play out that way. This was a sequential series of events. There was at least 10 minutes between every request.
/r/seduction20/04/11 10:33 PM
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Regarding that HB6.5, maybe you could have said, "My wing has always wanted to do swing dancing, you should talk" or something like that to get him involved in the conversation. Although it could put him on the spot. I'm not really sure what your motivation was in that set. Were you trying to wing for your wing? I think it was good that you didn't try to close her since your wing had his eye on her. In the second place, what types of things made you say, "no" to opening certain sets? Also, what …
/r/seduction20/04/11 06:29 PM
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I thought it was a safe bet that she would have gone with me. For one, the HB7 already did earlier. But also, we'd been talking for nearly an hour so at the very least we were on friendly terms.
/r/seduction20/04/11 04:51 PM
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Are you sure? It's 95% a FR and 5% a question.
/r/seduction20/04/11 08:06 AM
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How edited do you think their sets are? It seems like they both get a number within 1 minute. Is that normal?
/r/seduction20/04/11 03:06 AM
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This is enlightening and I know I fall under this category, but I don't know how to do anything about it. Dealing with AA is easy once you know you can just talk to everyone until you get desensitized to your fear. But, how do I stop avoiding conflict? A list of baby steps would be useful.
/r/seduction19/04/11 06:23 AM
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I'm liking this a lot so far. Specifically the, "on my best night I do one approach" part. I think that is a more natural way to approach meeting people/girls and before I got advice that's what I did. I was given advice that I need to be the life of the party and spend no longer than 10 minutes on a set. You eject early so that they feel like they want more from you. But after watching this vid, I think, "fuck that shit". I'm going back to focusing on the quality of the connections I make, not …
/r/seduction18/04/11 08:20 PM
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Yeah, heh, I guess she sucks at it.
/r/seduction17/04/11 01:01 AM
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From my okcupid experience, no. My place is a freaking sty and it hasn't made a difference from what I can tell.
/r/seduction16/04/11 07:15 PM
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My advice (and I'm not much further than you): Go into a bookstore and start talking to the employees first. That will give you some self confidence. If you can't think of anything to say, ask how their day is going. Ask the customer service desk if they can help you find a book. NEVER put any effort into anything that you could ask for help with. For EG: as soon as you walk into a clothing store, ask someone where the male section is even if you can find it on your own by looking around. Store …
/r/seduction16/04/11 06:49 AM
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Also sounds like your "friends" are dicks. Why did they laugh at you? I don't understand.
/r/seduction16/04/11 06:47 AM
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Did it tonight. Girl responded with, "Ok... I had one today." Asked her where she got it. "At wendy's". Did it have meat in it? "Yeah..." That's cool... see ya later. But, at least I did it. I need to work on transitioning I suppose. I'd have more to talk about if I actually liked salads but I think salads suck.
/r/seduction16/04/11 06:41 AM
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Hah, I wish. But if it was an affliction tshirt I wouldn't have asked in the first place.
/r/seduction16/04/11 06:39 AM
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As you get more socially capable you might get the idea to confront them or try a witty retort. Don't. The hardest thing to do is to just walk away and forget it. It is also generally the best response. Good advice. I keep running through things I should have said/done. It's good to know I did the best thing.
/r/seduction15/04/11 10:41 PM
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I'm not opening too many hot chicks, but I am opening a lot of people in general. I'm hoping it's safe to assume the guy was a total cock either way.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:03 AM
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You should post another FR IMO. I'd like to see what other people give you as advice here.
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:58 AM
1

Then what do you do if you tell a joke and it falls flat?
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:42 AM
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I will use your opener on someone some time soon, just for the fun of it. I'm writing this here so everyone knows. If I don't do this by EOD sunday I'm a bitch.
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:12 AM
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It's functional though. Do you just say "What?" as many times as it takes before they realize they need to speak up or lean in to you?
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:05 PM
1

I can have fun at a bar without drinking any alcohol. I don't ever wish I enjoyed drinking more.
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:03 PM
1

Whisky.
/r/seduction14/04/11 09:30 PM
1

Maybe I'm doing it wrong or everyone reacts differently. For me there's a very thin line for that "high". If I drink past it I feel nauseas, if I go below it I just want to take a nap. I usually don't have a great time when I drink.
/r/seduction14/04/11 06:07 PM
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Seemed like some pretty badass info in there. Specifically the list of how to desensitize yourself to AA. I'm ready to start asking some hot girls what time it is. Do you think that would be a dumb to do that in a bar?
/r/seduction14/04/11 06:20 AM
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An attractive and available women is almost never friendly to a man, unless its required in her job. This has not been my experience. Sure, I've never had a super hot girl open me, but they usually are friendly.
/r/seduction14/04/11 05:38 AM
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It doesn't just show how he failed, it shows WHY he failed. Point of the story to me was never take a rejection personally. In this case, it literally was someone else that caused him to get rejected.
/r/seduction14/04/11 05:30 AM
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sense of humor confidence alpha qualities physical attractiveness outgoingness
/r/seduction13/04/11 04:45 PM
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Re: remembering their name advice. Thank you! I actually meant to ask about that on AskSeddit but never got around to it. I had a gut feeling I should be doing what you're saying. Either way, I'm going to keep writing it down because I add other information like, "She tans, has been to Ecuador" so that I can think of conversation starters next time. But now with everyone else in the future, I'll make sure to "forget" their names. I guess I should also pretend to "forget" the notes I took about t…
/r/seduction13/04/11 07:15 AM
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Haha awesome story. Ironically it makes me want to start using facebook so I can relate to the other human beings on this planet. I also loved your opener. So simple: I'm gonna sit down next to you and join this text party. What did you do tonight?
/r/seduction13/04/11 07:07 AM
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I smirked when he started applying that chap stick. He couldn't have waited 2 minutes?
/r/seduction13/04/11 06:51 AM
1

I know some things but probably have a lot to learn.
/r/seduction13/04/11 03:27 AM
2

Weird you mention that. I hate kids and don't want any but I can't stop smiling when I see a mom playing with her kid in public. Maybe I'll try to think of that while I'm approaching. What could possibly go wrong? Seriously though, sounds like a good tip.
/r/seduction13/04/11 03:22 AM
1

Yeah what is parallel conversation? I'm guessing it's about asking something in parallel of what she's already thinking.
/r/seduction13/04/11 03:15 AM
1

*3 stores that display value and convey attractive attributes about you stores = stories? You're not the first person I've seen say this. What are some examples of stories that display value?
/r/seduction13/04/11 03:08 AM
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Never heard of him before but I searched his youtube vids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjdfZp0HRk At 1:35 this is an interesting example of how to deal with girls who give shitty answers.
/r/seduction12/04/11 06:41 AM
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Hah, awesome.
/r/seduction12/04/11 12:38 AM
1

If you compliment her, it can be construed as attraction.
/r/seduction11/04/11 09:48 PM
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Upvote but I don't think it's depressing. Learn from your mistakes and be proud of what you did. You tried to change the convo away from her ex and tried to prevent her friend from coming over. Both smart moves IMO. An AFC wouldn't have tried to do either.
/r/seduction11/04/11 08:59 PM
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I let her know what time it is. I think this is a bad move but I'm a newb. Anyone else care to comment?
/r/seduction10/04/11 09:33 PM
2

WTF, I thought you said you were overweight.
/r/seduction09/04/11 08:05 AM
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He said predictable, generic things, used verbal space-filler ("Oh, alright, alright, that's nice, yeah, ok"), talked to women in an interview-format, and, most importantly, never offered any information about himself or teased the girls at all I have a feeling that I'd understand better if I were there, but on paper this doesn't seem boring to me. Just your typical guy. The verbal space-filler is kind of annoying though.
/r/seduction09/04/11 08:03 AM
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Or maybe you'd think, "Holy shit, I wish I had the balls to do that". I know that's what I'd think. In my college years I pretty much did the same thing as this guy. Only I did it in a cafeteria and sat next to a solo female who was already eating and "forced" her to have a conversation with me. My dormmates noticed and commented, but they were more impressed than anything.
/r/seduction09/04/11 08:00 AM
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This is a great challenge and attitude. I'd love to give myself the same challenge but I'm not in college anymore. Can anyone think of a similar challenge for someone that works a 9-5 job?
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:56 AM
4

What's illegal about this?
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:52 AM
19

Obviously you've never ridden a bicycle with a faulty seat.
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:50 AM
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I can kind of tell (or I am shooting myself in the foot by assuming) that I’m going to get anywhere with the married HB9, but she is cool as hell and I figure she’ll be a good asset at our next venue. Did you mean to say you're NOT going to get anywhere? [turn and isolate obstacle] I’m Soupertramp.” Simple and textbook. What does this mean? I don't think I've read this textbook. :) Can you explain this concept and what you did here? “He’s not THAT good looking, but he has so much confidence all …
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:38 AM
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Not that it matters, but why do hot girls give bad advice? In this case, my guess is she's oblivious and didn't put herself in her own shoes when she said that.
/r/seduction09/04/11 06:34 AM
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I agree with TofuTofu here. I'll take it a step further and say I found the tranny looking ones attractive.
/r/seduction09/04/11 06:30 AM
1

Really good breakdown. Please reply on my next FRs (whenever I may make those).
/r/seduction09/04/11 06:27 AM
2

What's the etiquette here? How do you make it clear you're not interested in being poked by the guy? (Only half joking)
/r/seduction08/04/11 05:41 AM
2

Should he hide the condoms from her?
/r/seduction08/04/11 12:42 AM
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Cool, my advice is to set up some fun pre-movie plans and delay seeing the movie as long as possible. Movies are a terrible date IMO.
/r/seduction07/04/11 10:08 PM
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Congrats man. If this happened to me I'd consider it a success. You'll do even better next time.
/r/seduction07/04/11 08:05 PM
1

Interesting... because that seems to be the opposite thing that Wygant says, right? My understanding of him is, "Come up with the perfect opener and she will vomit words to you and do 80% of the talking". Due to my understanding, I usually eject in <30 seconds if she doesn't start vomiting words. This applies to guys I talk to too (just trying to get over my AA, I'm not bi). Hypothesis: Talking to her until she says "no" is a more efficient way to get over AA. Would it be a bad idea to practice …
/r/seduction06/04/11 07:12 AM
1

I've seen this movie but it was a while ago. Does she show up? Second, anyone care to seriously comment on the clip? Is it BS or good advice?
/r/seduction06/04/11 06:51 AM
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At this point I move in closer to her and plow through the awkward stage for 1-2 minutes Wow, that's amazing. Is that part of the Gunwitch method or is that just what you're always supposed to do? Tonight I was in a bar surrounded by my friends and across from the table was 2 females I didn't know. I tried talking to one of them and she was replying but the conversation was totally forced. I couldn't think of anything to talk about and we got into this shitty convo (my fault) about where she cam…
/r/seduction06/04/11 06:44 AM
2

I've always wondered: Do you think the culture difference has any effect on your success or approach? You certainly give us/me amazing advice, but I have to wonder if your FRs apply to me: An american in america. I mean no disrespect with this question, I just want to know your opinion on the matter.
/r/seduction06/04/11 06:35 AM
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Thanks for the FR. Very educational. Do you think I should write an FR even if I personally think it's very boring? I'm going out 4+ times a week (for only 2 weeks now). Tonight I just wasn't feeling it. I tried at least 12 openers (half day game, half at a bar) w/ friends but I didn't make a connection with anyone tonight. Should I be writing a FR for uneventful nights?
/r/seduction06/04/11 06:23 AM
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Let's say you're right. How do I work on it? Just change what I say and voila, problem solved? That's easy. I only opened with that as a personal challenge. My real concern is that I could be a creepy person in general and be totally oblivious to it.
/r/seduction05/04/11 11:27 PM
1

Kasabian ~ Fast Fuse Kayne West ~ Power
/r/seduction05/04/11 09:03 PM
1

As for the actual opener, I usually don't do opinion openers because I don't do anything rehearsed. I'll only do opinion openers when I actually want someone's opinion on something. Not much of a difference there, but usually it'll be more relevant to the situation/environment. The main way I open is situationally, and I'll usually comment on something instead of asking a question (the same way I would if I was standing next to a friend- you just kinda naturally comment on shit). But opinion ope…
/r/seduction05/04/11 08:51 PM
1

I think I phrased it differently at the time because everyone at the table understood what I was asking (except for one girl who simply couldn't hear me, she said, "A rattlesnake", and everyone at the table laughed). I'm more concerned about this than my opener: But, the thought keeps on popping into my head: What if I was creepy? What if she was right? What does it say about me that I can't read these social queues? If someone was creeped out by what I was saying, would I be able to tell? Shoul…
/r/seduction05/04/11 06:48 PM
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i don't really have any tips for making it less so cuz i don't do this kinda stuff What kinda stuff do you do?
/r/seduction05/04/11 06:39 PM
1

she has some social skills which usually translates to sex skills Why is that?
/r/seduction04/04/11 04:52 PM
2

I have this same problem. How long have you been trying to get over your AA? I've only been trying for 2 weeks so take my advice with a grain of salt: Maybe you need to reset your brain a little bit by going back to talking to EVERYONE. IMO, this is easy to practice during the day. Go into a store and chat up the staff. It's their job to be friendly. It's a great warm up.
/r/seduction02/04/11 10:10 AM
1

If I can't think of anything, do you think, "Hi, how are you?" suffices?
/r/seduction01/04/11 11:29 PM
1

How do you talk to everyone? I think those Wygant mp3s have prevented me from doing that because they emphasize the importance of a great opener. If I can't think of one, I wait or move on to someone else until I can.
/r/seduction01/04/11 11:03 PM
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I thought getting rid of your AA gives you more confidence and less insecurities, not the other way around... Do I have it backwards? If so, I don't know what to do to get more confidence and less insecurities. I thought I was already taking the steps that get me there.
/r/seduction01/04/11 10:42 PM
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This sounds like the beginning of a penthouse magazine story.
/r/seduction01/04/11 10:39 PM
1

I was actually thinking of winging for him. One of the many times he interrupted his own story, he said, "Wow, that brunette over there looks amazing". Personally, I thought she was about an HB6. After I left the bar, I thought of something I could have done. I could have gone over to her and said, "Excuse me, I've been waiting forever in line over here and I have to go to the bathroom. Would you mind holding my place for just a second while use the restroom?" Assuming she said yes (I guess that…
/r/seduction01/04/11 09:57 PM
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Yeah that's definitely my own insecurities. Based off of what I read here, getting over AA causes one to get over their insecurities. I'm skeptical that those two things are directly connected, but I'm trying to get rid of my AA regardless. What do you guys think about this theory?
/r/seduction01/04/11 09:40 PM
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So, why's it important to have a drink in my hand? Also, yeah, it wasn't a failure, I just had a plan of opening boatloads of people and it didn't happen. Compared to my plan, I failed. Compared to my past progress, it was a great success. I got the bouncer's name because he had a name tag on. I didn't get the bartender's name because I didn't have a convo with him. All I did was order my drink. Every time I have a connection with someone in a place (whether bar, bookstore or someplace else), I …
/r/seduction01/04/11 06:11 PM
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OK, I like this advice and it's easier for me to follow than, "open a new set every 5 minutes". I'm not sure if you read my 2nd solo attempt, but I think I followed your advice then: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/gekre/fr_i_solod_a_bar_for_the_second_time_and_did_much/
/r/seduction01/04/11 04:35 PM
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He asked me who I was with and I explained to him that I was soloing and I'm normally introverted. I did this based on reggieband's comment from my 2nd bar solo FR. I have the unfortunate luck of following the "spirit" of advice but totally screwing up the execution. I hope I didn't make that same mistake here. To tell you the truth, I totally disagreed with what he was saying at first, but once I saw how many upvotes he got from it and how many more FR's he has compared to me, I realized I have…
/r/seduction01/04/11 07:34 AM
1

They took a subreddit with almost 20k subscribers and made it into story time. Why not put the stories in some other subreddit and keep the real discussion in the original subreddit? I think it would have been a lot better for your cause if you made this the content of your post rather than a comment.
/r/seduction01/04/11 02:53 AM
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Yeah, that's usually what I do. I've only solo'd a bar twice (first was a bomb) but I normally try to look for an isolated person to talk to. EG: A lone dude in line to get food, a lone dude in line to buy a drink, a lone dude who was in the middle of a conversation but stopped long enough for me to ask him a question... mostly dudes :) Day game, on the other hand, I talk to everyone.
/r/seduction31/03/11 06:01 AM
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Couple of questions: Did you solo the bar or go with friends? Was the bar mostly empty on a Wednesday? I was told by friends that they're not worth visiting on that day (I live in california).
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:28 AM
1

Newb question: Why should you steer clear of girls like that?
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:26 AM
1

Sounds awesome, especially all those HBs you opened. I'm doing exactly the same thing you're doing (exclusively working on my AA) but I still haven't opened a HB8+. They intimidate me even though I'm not trying to hit on them. I hear scary stories about their bitch guards and shit tests. How do you get yourself in the state to talk to one of them?
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:22 AM
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I know your are trying to save face here. You are trying to communicate "I have friends! Really I do!". It may be hard to do but I suggest you be honest. You could have just said "no, everyone I know is busy tonight and I love a good taco - I couldn't pass this up". If you act like it isn't a big deal, if you really believe it isn't a big deal then it won't be. Why bother? Seems easier to just lie about this detail and move on with the conversation. I don't normally lie and this was the only lie…
/r/seduction30/03/11 05:38 PM
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Yeah, it can be especially intimidating soloing 3 girls at once! But, I had a great conversation with that guy and that HB6-7. All in all, I think it was a great night.
/r/seduction30/03/11 08:34 AM
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The surprising thing about your story is the distance between Me: Actually, I don't want a shirt. I just wanted to talk to you. Don't you feel special? and HB7: Uhhm, I have a boyfriend. So if you're cool with being friends...? What goes on in a girl's head here? You were extremely direct and it looks like she took it as, "Wow, this guy is soo friendly". Why wouldn't a girl immediately reply with "Uhhm, I have a boyfriend". I mean, if a guy came up to me and said this, my first thought would be,…
/r/seduction29/03/11 06:29 PM
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don't be consciously thinking about shit, because it'll fuck you up You're right, but this comes from practice, it's not a switch you can flip at will. I've posted this many times here (and I'll post it many more) but there are four stages to becoming competent in a skill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence
/r/seduction29/03/11 05:37 PM
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I don't think you should be so hard on yourself. You have to focus on the good: You opened with everyone at that hiking meetup. That takes some serious balls. I recently went to a meetup and I only had the guts to open with 1/4-1/2 of the people there. And, I went with a friend! I wasn't soloing like you.
/r/seduction29/03/11 05:23 PM
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I remember the college cafeteria. Every single lunch I would sit next to a girl that was by herself and start a conversation with her. What's your major? Why did you choose it? Etc. It was rare for them to be rude about it.
/r/seduction29/03/11 04:54 PM
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If I were to guess*, I'd say you need more options. You don't necessarily need to train yourself to become scarce, if two girls are interested in you at once, by necessity you have to divide your time. *: I don't feel like you've given enough context for us to help you without taking guesses.
/r/seduction28/03/11 08:09 AM
2

How is asking about my car/job a tricky question or a shit test? That question doesn't really make me think too hard.
/r/seduction28/03/11 07:46 AM
1

Well, given the picture I painted, where should I have been? Nobody was standing, everyone else was sitting at a table. Talking to one of those people would be similar to talking to someone sitting at a table at a restaurant.
/r/seduction26/03/11 08:27 PM
3

Hehe, yes. A place like that.
/r/seduction26/03/11 08:19 PM
4

That's a good idea. I'll try that next time.
/r/seduction26/03/11 09:24 AM
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Thanks, I really appreciate those kind words. I HATE the idea of a club (I've only been to one or two). You can't talk to people because it's loud. I'm afraid to dance. Every chick knows you're approaching her because you want to fuck her. I want to become a great conversationalist. But, I'm the ignorant one here. Do you think it could help me in those regards?
/r/seduction26/03/11 08:21 AM
1

How would you turn that into a convo? Ask them to follow me to it?
/r/seduction25/03/11 11:44 PM
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That is a great tip. I was walking around the mall trying to think of openers with people. Unfortunately the mall is huge and I don't know where anything is. But, it's easy to tell when someone is lost. If you're an expert at the mall you can open with, "I can see you're lost, what are you looking for?" "Oh, I know where that is, follow me". Note that the above is untested by me.
/r/seduction25/03/11 07:47 AM
1

Did you have that same mentality when you talked to those two girls? It may have made you more comfortable.
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:39 PM
2

I liked your story. Opening everyone in the whole bar seems like the hard part to me and you made it sound like the easy part.
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:13 PM
2

I'm a newb who's practicing the, "talk to everyone" technique. What would males think if I practiced this on them? Would that potentially get me in a confrontation?
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:29 AM
1

I'd love to hear some real examples. I've only done day game, but I rarely stop someone who's walking past me.
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:18 AM
1

I couldn't help notice that her replies to your questions were concise and she didn't elaborate. Is that usually how it goes for you or did you type it that way to keep the example short? Personally, I judge whether a conversation went well by how much they carried it. Nothing is more satisfying to me than giving someone a serious case of logorrhea.
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:16 AM
1

Just wanted to add something subtle: According to my book, touching yourself doesn't imply discomfort but that you're pacifying yourself. Not really sure if the difference matters, but my book makes that distinction clear.
/r/seduction23/03/11 09:10 PM
1

Interesting... I read a comment that said it's alpha to put your hands in your pockets with your thumbs exposed so I've INTENTIONALLY been doing that. What you're saying makes sense though. Do you have a source? Leaning back is something people do when they hear something they don't like or when they don't like someone. I read that from "What every BODY is saying" but maybe it doesn't apply in your context.
/r/seduction23/03/11 06:41 PM
1

LTR women don't dance 24hrs a day.
/r/seduction23/03/11 12:25 AM
1

LTR women don't dance 24hrs a day.
/r/seduction23/03/11 12:24 AM
1

Short story: Just move on Long story: listen to this
/r/seduction22/03/11 06:36 PM
2

I think your second paragraph has the wrong rationale. You're just a curious/friendly guy who's an avid reader and is wondering what book she's holding. The only way she could respond negatively to that is if there's a problem with her.
/r/seduction22/03/11 06:26 PM
2

How does this book compare to "What every BODY is saying"?
/r/seduction22/03/11 12:15 AM
2

I'm not confident we're seeing this in the OP vid. Some body language I noticed: Right before he changes the topic, he crosses his arms (not sure what that means, I just found it very interesting). Once he continues, she shifts her torso and (it looks like) her feet so they don't point towards him. That usually means, "I want to get out of here".
/r/seduction21/03/11 06:00 PM
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Yeah, that works. When I started researching, I thought, "This will help me understand their body language". But, so far, it's helped me understand my own body language. I now know what things things make me look insecure so I can avoid doing them.
/r/seduction21/03/11 03:26 AM
1

It's a HUGE deal in my mind. I don't know if I've ever done it before. I'm hoping if I keep talking to people, eventually I'll reach this comfort zone nirvana where I'll just give off this brilliant aura of confidence. Not to mention, being a great conversationalist will help me in all aspects of life.
/r/seduction19/03/11 08:03 AM
1

Yeah I can totally see myself doing that same thing. It's just different with coworkers than friends IMO. Well, I went on the prowl tonight and it was slim pick'ins. First mistake I think was I started at 9pm. I went to a grocery store. Looked all around for some peeps to talk to. Couldn't find anyone hot except the checkers and the place was busy enough that I couldn't get any privacy. Talked to like 3 customers but no convos really got started. Pretty sure one male employee I talked to suspect…
/r/seduction19/03/11 06:55 AM
1

Thanks, I'm already reading a book called, "What every BODY is saying" by an ex-fbi agent. Hoping it's just as good.
/r/seduction19/03/11 06:40 AM
2

If not in their pockets/belt, where did they put their hands?
/r/seduction18/03/11 11:15 PM
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You explained the body language of the guys who weren't confident. What's the body language of the guys who are confident?
/r/seduction18/03/11 10:56 PM
1

I haven't had any bad experiences yet. Well, today I said, "How's it going" to a cashier around my coworkers and she didn't hear me. My coworker gave me a smart ass smirk and that really dinged my confidence. If I were alone, I wouldn't have given a shit, I think it's easier that way for me. Either way, still gonna try to go to another book store today. So after that HB6 was an utter B, how did you mentally recover from that?
/r/seduction18/03/11 10:53 PM
1

"I can't even open a HB5". What does this mean exactly? They'd give you the cold shoulder or something? Thanks for the kind review, it really instills me with pride and more confidence. I still don't like the idea of bars/clubs and I think it would be slightly awkward to go to the same bookstore tonight after work (I'll probably just go to a different bookstore). Any other types of places you'd recommend? Grocery store is probably good.
/r/seduction18/03/11 06:03 PM
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Yeah I didn't notice a lot of attractive people in there. Here's a theory off the top of my head: It's spring break and I live in a college town with no nightlife. Finals just ended. All the HBs are probably somewhere else. I actually prefer it for now, I probably couldn't muster the balls to ask for a HB6's #.
/r/seduction18/03/11 05:58 PM
1

I REAAAALLLY wished it showed the lead in to asking for their numbers each time. I've never done it before, this seems like the hardest step in trying to ask a random stranger out.
/r/seduction17/03/11 06:37 AM
2

Half the time he sat down at a table with 2 females at it. How do you get a number from one without looking rude to/being cockblocked by the other?
/r/seduction17/03/11 06:29 AM
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I should have explained the setting for #1. He's a friend and we decided to meet up at a fast food restaurant after work. I was thinking about asking out the cashier but my friend/coworker would have noticed. Knowing this, do you give the same advice? What if it was on my lunch break with many coworkers?
/r/seduction17/03/11 04:19 AM
2

I don't think that's it. I talked to like 10 strangers today (and almost asked 2 people out)* and I didn't get very nervous at all. I mean, even if they tell me to fuck off, I don't ever have to see them again. I think I'm just genuinely an introvert. * 1 I decided not to because my friend/coworker was there. I wouldn't want him telling all my coworkers what a fool I made of myself. 2 She was a checker at target. Our convo wasn't really flowing and some random dude was in line behind me so I fel…
/r/seduction17/03/11 03:38 AM
1

Well, the thing is, I genuinely am a homebody. I don't wish I was at a cooking class or a reading club when I'm alone or with someone. I wish I was at home playing a video game. But, you do bring up a valid point. Thanks.
/r/seduction16/03/11 08:22 AM
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I want to present this as a possible strategy: I read on this subreddit that a good way to build up confidence to talk to people is to talk to EVERYONE. Just say hello, make small talk, whatever. Do it with strangers during an elevator ride and stuff. Do it in line at chipotle. Etc. Is this a good way to build up confidence to go to a bar alone?
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