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Hey man, firstly I think you jumped in with that 'let's get Mexican this Friday' way early and out the blue, IMHO Agreed. Looking back on it, I should have flirted a little before pitching a meet. The convo before then was friendly and frankly a little boring - should have been spicing things up a little before suggesting a meet. And again with the sex jokes Yea, by that point I thought I had lost it so went for all or nothing i guess. Also waiting a couple of weeks to meet again at such an earl…
/r/seduction31/08/12 01:30 AM
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well... i thought she was being pretty vague about rescheduling .. "a few weeks" later or whatever. I assumed that would likely mean no meet at all. yea i guess technically she could really be that super busy, but it seems unlikely that she cant make any time at all for 2 weeks. seemed like an excuse to me really. so i thought i'll go with something a little more sexual and to the point and see how that goes. I wasn't sure she was gona respond, but i think that she did, may indicate interest. Ho…
/r/seduction30/08/12 10:54 PM
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5. I'd like to get to you know better as well..
/r/seduction30/08/12 10:27 PM
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It seems like you're not REALLY there. When you interact with a woman all your attention and energy needs to be in the moment and on what is right in front of you. (I'm not saying always only focus on her - I'm saying focus on the present and what is around you - the music, other people, the decor, your drink, her, whatever). Try some meditation. It might help. Give it a serious go for at least a month before you decide to stick with it or abandon it. Also, don't be afraid to talk about what you…
/r/seduction13/02/12 09:42 AM
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I hate dancing because I'm terribly white and its embarrassing, but there's no room for embarrassment. I just go for it. Dance with HB8. It's excellent. FUCK YES! I should have asked if he was a fellow sedditor NO NO! A little later HB8 was sucking on my fingers for no particular reason. MMMMMMM.. I woke up this morning with a huge smile on my face. :)
/r/seduction13/02/12 09:33 AM
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I think llama raises a legitimate point. You have to know when is a good time to be verbally honest in a serious manner with a woman and when shes basically fucking with you and it's not to be taken seriously. It's an important distinction to make. For example, with the "Do I look fat in these?" Replying with something like "Yes. Furthermore, your insecurity is a turnoff," if said seriously, is not the way to go IMO. Maybe an every sarcastic "NO!" would be more effective to her, because it commu…
/r/seduction13/02/12 09:26 AM
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Very cool. Always takes some balls to willingly take on the next challenge, but it's really pushes you to grow. Good stuff.
/r/seduction13/02/12 09:09 AM
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Seconded. Having both honest & serious, and fucking around modes in your arsenal is a killer combo.
/r/seduction12/02/12 11:52 PM
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Awesome! This is a really good goal. Can I ask what led you to this? A little tip for you: slow the fuck down! Those "Fuck no, it makes you nervous" (hilarious , btw) type responses are, as you know, rehearsed. You sort of have them ready to use at any moment's notice. And you don't really think about it when you say it - you just say it almost habitually. So to get out of always going to those default responses, slow down. Take a second, a breath, look at something else that catches your attent…
/r/seduction12/02/12 11:50 PM
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Smile and tell her to come over to you to talk. or Go over and fuck around and have fun with the entire group. Talk to the two guys, and the other girl as well. See where it goes.
/r/seduction12/02/12 12:28 PM
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Hey man, it's heartwarming to me that you took the time to appreciate what I had to say. Thanks for that. It means a lot to me because this is the reason I sporadically reply to / make new posts. It's always rewarding to know that someone found some of my ideas useful and inspiring. The road ahead is going to be a damn tough one, and the journey will not be short by any means (i.e. never ending). There will be many ups and downs. In the ups push hard. In the downs, take a step back and re-examin…
/r/seduction11/02/12 03:26 AM
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Good shit.
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:17 AM
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Yeah, actually that's pretty reasonable.
/r/seduction30/01/12 12:16 AM
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Man, it seems even if you are pretty good at seduction, you'll probably still lose more than you fuck. It's disheartening, but it is what it is.
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:47 PM
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How long do you spend per approach? How much time would 12-13 approaches take? Is it quick - get in, get number, get out. Or do you take your time with each interaction?
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:24 PM
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Cool. Thanks for the detailed response. I'll certainly be applying some of the stuff in there to see how it goes.
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:23 PM
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Ok, so when you talk to a girl, what's your mind frame? I haven't tried talking during night game all that much - I usually go to noisier clubs. I'm going to start heading to bars more now. Do you just fuck around with her, have a good time, get her laughing and stuff? Do you turn the conversation sexual? How do you know she's ready for escalation / isolation?
/r/seduction29/01/12 09:33 PM
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Ah. I see where you're coming from a little better now. I have been lucky enough to experience some trance-like states without actually getting much into the technical details of how to make them happen. I've also been able to get people into those states a handful number of times. But I have no idea exactly what I did that made it happen, and I have no idea how to reproduce them. I was really on top of my shit at the time though, and my confidence and delivery of whatever I was saying was very …
/r/seduction29/01/12 09:29 PM
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Yea I agree. It will probably get much better with more experience.
/r/seduction29/01/12 09:27 PM
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Honestly, that seems pretty depressing =(
/r/seduction29/01/12 09:27 PM
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I agree. None of this would be of any use unless I try it out myself. In fact the reason I made this post to begin with is that I've been going out and getting a decent amount of numbers (not just shitty ones either - ones where there was actual interest and attraction). But I haven't had much success. I wanted to analyze my phone game approach and also get a slight idea of what it will take to get to the next level - namely same day lays. I was wondering if I was just doing pretty badly or if s…
/r/seduction29/01/12 06:09 AM
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Well, I won't expect you to go super in depth, but I'm not even sure what exactly you mean when you use those terms. You can choose to answer the following: What would you define to be "covert hypnosis" and what does it look like in field? What is "linguistic alteration of limiting beliefs" in theory and in practice? What do you mean by "imposition of body language" and how do you do it? Same with "microexpression projection." What is it and how do you do it? Alternatively, feel free to link me …
/r/seduction29/01/12 06:04 AM
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Can you go into a little more depth about "covert hypnosis, conversational belief change, and microexpression projection"? I'm not totally sure if you're fucking with me or you're serious. I would prefer to go the super natural route, but I have nothing against looking into the theory side of it either. I realize that using both routes will probably be most effective. At the moment I can't full close even in clubs / bars. Admittedly I haven't been trying to do that though, and I think on a few o…
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:50 AM
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do you regularly do things like this?
/r/seduction29/01/12 01:58 AM
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Can't be waiting around too long. As the guy it's your responsibility to move the interaction forward. Glad you got something out of this. Now go get em!
/r/seduction27/01/12 12:45 AM
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Good shit. I remember my "first approach".. I was FUCKING nervous, but felt so much better after having done it. Relief!
/r/seduction27/01/12 12:15 AM
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Honestly, I have no idea. It seems like a very difficult situation to be in. Only someone who is actually noticeably disabled and has found a way to seduce despite it can answer this question.
/r/seduction27/01/12 12:13 AM
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Time and perseverance, as others have said, are crucial. Another thing is - what constitutes a success and a failure to you. Let's say you have an interaction with a woman and it goes really smoothly. You both talk about things you enjoy, have a great time, the food and wine taste better than usual as the time flies by. Things turn sexual, she reveals her deep fantasies to you and you make you and cuddle while talking about these. But for whatever the hell reason she doesn't want to have sex. Is…
/r/seduction27/01/12 12:12 AM
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Yes. Acting cocky comes from a perception that you are not confident enough. It's like a cover up for lack of confidence. "Hmm...I'll act like I'm the absolute shit at everything, King of the World. That way she won't see how I really feel about myself," says the subconscious. People who are truly confident and comfortable in themselves, have no need to show it off. Self confidence is not something to brag about and show others. It has nothing to do with anyone but you.
/r/seduction27/01/12 12:02 AM
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Funny as it is, you're right. It can be FUCKING scary heading to clubs at first. But, man oh man, is it worth it if you stick to it and work through the fear! From fear to discomfort to acceptance to comfort to enjoyment to success baby!
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:59 PM
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Maybe you are actually acting too cocky. I personally never did very well with the cocky-funny thing. I find it's a lot more effective to be very subtly cocky at rare times when the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise, I feel it's better to just be genuine and talk about / do things that actually interest you.
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:57 PM
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This is not a helpful attitude. Let it be. If he gets her, then so be it. If you get her, then so be it.
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:53 PM
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Yeah lol....sorry about that!
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:48 PM
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Hey man. I think it's a good step you made by writing this post and putting yourself out there - even though it doesn't come with all the risks when you do it online! Regardless this is basically what I am getting from your post: You are having trouble steering interactions with women towards a sexual nature, and are ending up in the friend zone because of how long it takes. You want to make a good first impression; i.e. be able to steer the interaction into a sexual direction from the get go. W…
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:31 PM
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Man, this is a seriously good thread. A lot in here that everyone can learn from. Honestly, seduction is NOT just about sex. There is so much more to it. The sex is just a possible outcome of tight game, but regardless it's a joy to be able to really be your true self in field; uncensored, unadulterated, pure truth, fearless, yet vulnerable. This thread really brings that out. Good shit.
/r/seduction22/01/12 02:36 PM
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This is what I thought it might have meant: "I think you're pretty cool" = I am attracted to you "but you're acting too cool" = So just take me home. No need to have an after party. No need to demonstrate your value with hosting all my friends at an after party. Might not be quite right, but that was my first impression.
/r/seduction21/01/12 02:57 PM
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I wouldn't have know that would happen either.
/r/seduction20/01/12 12:02 AM
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Ok, I'm going to be very straight with you, and you're not going to like it one bit. i dont feel like a loser and I am not a loser Really? Why was that the main thing you noticed in my original reply? You missed the main point I was making. I was talking about examining your life with honesty and precision. The "loser" thing was just an example of issues someone might have to wrestle with in the process of self examination. The fact that the "loser" part stuck out to you, tells me this: some par…
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:32 PM
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AdviceBest = ?
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:06 PM
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Good attitude.
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:05 PM
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Racial preferences? Why? Are the streotypes about race and size generally true?
/r/seduction19/01/12 04:20 PM
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No need to apologize for something like this man. If it was too personal she wouldnt have answered.
/r/seduction19/01/12 04:19 PM
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lol thats because you live in england.
/r/seduction19/01/12 04:18 PM
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Plus, you seem to be strict about not cheating, which, if that is true, takes you far away from being anything remotely close to (insert negative female sexual stereotype here).
/r/seduction18/01/12 12:24 PM
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You know what, fuck anyone who gives anyone else shit about sex. Fuck them. It's none of their business really. Don't worry about it. I don't think you're a "slut". I prefer to think of women like you as more open and free about who they are and what they like. And I'm the same way anyway. You can message me how many you've been with if you are comfortable doing that, because I am curious. Of course, it will never be revealed to anyone else. Thanks for the response.
/r/seduction18/01/12 12:18 PM
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This guy's got it right. It's only uncomfortable if you feel like it is. Silence is natural. Most of the time we're silent. It was uncomfortable for you probably because you felt like you needed to be talking to her the whole time. This is an unrealistic expectation. I was on a plane a couple of days ago, and actually managed to hold a VERY interesting conversation for pretty much the whole time. There were a few small silences, but never awkward. But this is probably the exception to the norm. …
/r/seduction18/01/12 11:14 AM
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Damn, I have heard people like Neil Strauss and Mystery are not necessarily the best sources to learn seduction from. This may or may not be true, but irrespective of that I stand corrected in the assumption that there was little to no value in most of what these guys had to say. This is on the money.
/r/seduction18/01/12 11:08 AM
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None. I try my best to not rely on anything but my own self for both motivation and validation. If I listen to some music or some speaker or something it's because I enjoy it or find myself mentally stimulated by it. If I talk to others it's because I enjoy it and I try to make it a pleasant, enjoyable experience for them too. Here is the thing about motivation: you have to find it within yourself. Any external motivation is going to be weak and ineffective in comparison. It comes down to what r…
/r/seduction18/01/12 11:04 AM
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PM me where you live and let's see if we can make this happen ;) lol
/r/seduction18/01/12 11:00 AM
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First of all, it seems you're the wrong kind of gamer =D lol, and come on man! Your tl'dr is as long as the rest of the post! Ok, now all jokes aside, here is what I think. I just posted this in another thread but it applied to you perfectly: The best thing you can possibly do is this: Work on all aspects of your life - fitness, hobbies, cut out negative >internal self-talk from your mind, meditate, etc. Whatever you choose. Talk to people often wherever you go. Be yourself. You need to >make yo…
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:50 AM
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Reading is not helpful. It makes you think too much, and it over generalizes things. For you to get better at this, you will have to deal with yourself, and no one can do this, or know how to do this, but you. Reading books like these can be a decent guide. But it cannot make you start the journey. It cannot make you get better. It cannot make the tough choices and sacrifices for you. You have to choose to do all that on your own. I don't know where you are in your journey as a seducer, but if y…
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:29 AM
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Cut off all contact with her for a month. Get in touch with her again and game her aggressively. If it works, awesome. If it fails, move on.
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:23 AM
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It's a tough one. I was a technical major in college as well. And honestly I was not all that motivated to really put in the effort at the time regarding academics. With my personal and social life in shambles, I felt I had more pressing issues to deal with. I devoted myself primarily to getting good with women and making connections with close friends. My academics suffered. I did not get an internship in all of college. I got better with women, and gained the ability to do some things seductio…
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:18 AM
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Still, I see where you are coming from. If you want something, and you don't feel it's immoral to get it, and you don't think you are going about getting it in a questionable way, then you should remain steadfastly unapologetic to anyone who gets in your way. It was their choice to get in the way, so they can deal with the consequences. In this kind of situation, in fact, the mistake was made by the other person, so she or he should probably be the one apologizing to you.
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:08 AM
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Anyone who is actually in a relatively high state of consciousness, let alone anyone who is enlightened (whatever that actually means), would be very unlikely to be screaming how "ENLIGHTENED" he or she is.
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:03 AM
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I don't think it demonstrates low value to apologize in the realization that you actually ended up having a negative, unintended effect on someone. It does demonstrate low value when you apologize because you feel you have to, or should, or are expected to. Apologizing in a genuine way for things that are important to you is good because you are being honest with yourself after making a genuine mistake. You will be less likely to make a similar mistake again, and better equipped to deal with it …
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:00 AM
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addition: what is your current age?
/r/seduction18/01/12 02:54 AM
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Rank the following in order to preference: sex, anal sex, giving oral, receiving oral. To what extent does size matter? Big guys who were terrible? Small guys who were really good? Is this rare? Or not that uncommon? How many partners would you estimate you have had? Age lost virginity? How many times have you cheated on supposedly monogamous boyfriends? How many times have you been cheated on that you know of? Experiences with women? Wana fuck? lol Seriously... pretty cool that you're doing thi…
/r/seduction18/01/12 02:53 AM
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Yeah man, no beef here though! Lol, I'm sorry if I came off a little harsh..
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:52 PM
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Oh my bad! I didn't really read any of the other ones. I get you! ;)
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:50 PM
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As is the case with most of the really important concepts in seduction. People tend to have a very vague, and loose understanding of what it means. Sometimes they may think it means something completely different from what was actually the intended message/idea, or they may think it is only a small part of what it really is. For example, is "sex" the part when you penetrate? Is "foreplay" the part before you penetrate when the arousal happens? Why can't we see the initial approach and interactio…
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:49 PM
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I'm not trying to be a douche here, so forgive me for this, but you did strongly imply that it wasn't relevant when you said, "I'm not sure it's totally relevant." Something like, "This is relevant to seduction, and also to a lot of other areas of life, (which is awesome...)" might have gotten your point across more effectively. All good though - it's pretty easy to lose the meaning of what someone said when communicating through written words.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:43 PM
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Yup, that's exactly what it is, but I REALLY don't like using terms like "outcome independence" because I feel like using terms like that really dilutes the meaning. For example, someone can logically know that being outcome independent means not caring about the end result. But if I take the time to really display my attitude and how I feel the message comes across much more clearly and effectively. In this way, new guys can get a feel for how someone who has outcome independence thinks, and so…
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:38 PM
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I don't know if you've ever actually tried it, but it's only fair to give something a decent shot before you judge it and are able to decide if you want it in your arsenal or if you will discard it. Even if you have tried it a few times, maybe you were applying it in a slightly different way than intended (as can be evident from our conversation here) so maybe you can try it again, but just switch up how you do that? No way to know, but you might be pleasantly surprised! Of course, this holds tr…
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:33 PM
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I've found it's more enjoyable to start interactions with women not knowing or trying to figure out if it's will lead to sex or friendship (or why not both? lol). I like to just let the interaction take its course while I lay back and try to make it a cool, new experience for myself and her as well.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:29 PM
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Well, it's not like the mindset it takes to get better at seduction is any different from what it takes to get good at anything. In fact, it's the things that have the potential to make you better at a range of endeavors that are more powerful and useful than what makes you specifically good at one thing. Both the right general and specific approaches are important, but the general has the ability to improve you in a more holistic way, in other areas of your life as well. No, this quote is not i…
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:25 PM
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Yup, the "happiness" from getting a lay that will just become another line on the tally is like the "happiness" that comes from getting a new shirt or new car. It fades pretty fast, and in no time it is meaningless.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:19 PM
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Yea I see what you mean. It can definitely come off as creepy. I'm sure that probably happened when I started doing that. But it really depends - it can also increase attraction if some is there to begin with. I rarely start my interactions with an introduction/name exchange/hand shake, so by the time (if) I do get to the hand shake, I have a good idea of whether she will be receptive to that kind of kino or not.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:16 PM
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Not sure what you are talking about.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:12 PM
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It was worth watching, although I would usually agree with you.
/r/seduction17/01/12 10:33 PM
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It's because neediness only serves to move you further from your real goal, or to fool you into believing you have certain goals about which you truly do not give a shit in your heart. Getting laid can be one of these needy goals. You have to learn seduction from a solid base of satisfaction and contentment. Since these really truly do come from within, they are attainable despite not getting laid, having no job, living at home with your parents, etc. Such situations make it harder, but not impo…
/r/seduction17/01/12 10:30 PM
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What we can learn from this: Her composure, style and delivery is absolutely top class. She comes off as totally fun, confident, and willing to escalate the interaction depending on feedback. She doesn't give a fuck about too much. She's attracted to straight women (or women who think they are purely straight). Oh well...? She has the advantage of her targets not assuming that she is talking to them with the intention of fucking them. This is why I assume, as I have heard from others, meeting ch…
/r/seduction17/01/12 10:19 PM
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Maybe someone is afraid of facing fear?
/r/seduction17/01/12 09:59 PM
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Good post. Ironically, with this mindset more girls will want to fuck you than ever before. The sex will also be deeper and more intense and meaningful. Enjoy ;)
/r/seduction17/01/12 09:57 PM
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Good post. Notice the "[PAUSE]". That part is important!
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:54 PM
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Basically what I just mentioned: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/oe8rs/wisdom_from_mrmakeitrainbitch/
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:50 PM
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This is ridiculous. Go talk to other random women. Do this until you are comfortable talking to random hot women. (Could take a few days, weeks, months, or years). Then after this, you will have no issues talking to this Starbucks chick. When you talk to her, she might love you and want to fuck you asap. She might also be totally uninterested. This won't matter because you will be comfortable talking to other, hotter, prettier, cuter, and all around "more perfect" (lol) women. Now stop being a b…
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:48 PM
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You would think, right? Lol but that was not the case.
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:25 PM
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Ha! I was ready to write a serious reply, but no need! Great post. Your sense of self worth should depend on externalities only very minimally, but of course you already know that.
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:24 PM
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On second thoughts, the title of this FR should probably be something like "Honestly can be a decent policy."
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:46 AM
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Ok that makes more sense. Now, did you mean I was at [7] when I wrote this, or you were while reading it?
/r/seduction07/01/12 02:38 PM
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Dammit, now my brain is hurting. Good! :p
/r/seduction07/01/12 03:30 AM
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Hi.
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:28 PM
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Ah, interesting. If I understand correctly, you're saying that I've reached a level of competence at seduction that I am satisfied with, and in that sense I am done with "the game"? If this is what you are saying, then actually the opposite is true, I'd have to say. You only really start getting better at seduction once you are satisfied with life in general. This is because there is nothing more you need. You don't need that lay, you don't need that number. Whatever you get is for fun and the i…
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:23 PM
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Yea I thought you meant something like "This post is irrelevant because you didn't end up fucking her," instead of "OP didn't fuck chick 3x, and still doesn't care". Sorry about that!
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:10 PM
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Oops! Just realized i might have misinterpreted what you meant. Did we basically just say the same thing?
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:34 PM
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That's not true. You can learn a lot from experiences when you don't have sex also. In fact, having your attitude can make it harder to get some. In my opinion and in my experience it is better to just enjoy the interaction and not worry so much where it will end up. This may lead to sex, or it may not. Either way, I still enjoyed myself. Didn't Have Sex?; Doesn't Matter. Had Sex?; Doesn't Matter.
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:51 PM
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Can you tell me why you think so?
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:45 PM
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You might lose some friends if you do this, so I suggest you make some new ones while keeping your current group, and put these into practice with everyone you interact with.
/r/seduction06/01/12 03:39 AM
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The above is where you want to be. You now also have a better idea of where you are. The road is long, and it is difficult. The first step is to face your fear. Go hang out with your friends and say nothing, AND DO IT UNTIL YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THIS, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES. Go hang out with your friends and say every stupid thing that comes to mind, AND DO IT UNTIL YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THIS, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES. This will be very hard to convince yourself to do. It will …
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:47 AM
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Anyone who gets really good at anything, does so, at least in part, by not caring what most other people have to say about him. Do you think Roger Federer gives a rats ass about what the guy sitting in the middle of the third row thinks about his missed serve? Do you think Roger's mind even slightly acknowledges his existence? No. Not at all. So how is someone like Ferderer able to control his mind and keep it off the unnecessary bullshit? It's NOT by trying to ignore it. If you are trying to ig…
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:43 AM
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I'm glad you think so. Put it into practice, and keep tweaking how you interpret and apply it! Good luck!
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:20 AM
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Well. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying something like "Yea, I'm not having the best day today," or something like that. The problem is likely that whoever you are talking to is not in a totally candid frame of mind, so when you say something like that, they feel obligated to say something like "Aww, that's so sad. Is there something I can do to help you," etc. It's what is socially expected of them, so by being honest about your day, you tend to oblige them into responding to you…
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:18 AM
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I agree that examples would be very helpful, and also that approaching with something like "I want to fuck you" is not what is really intended by what the book talks about. I tried to come up with a better response to this, because the point you raise is very valid, but I couldn't really think of anything useful to say lol. I will probably make more posts as I go though the book, so hopefully some of those will address what you said.
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:07 AM
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I wasn't trying to bang her during that interaction.
/r/seduction06/01/12 02:01 AM
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It's unfortunate you feel that way. I think "Modes" can be a helpful way to reflect upon our interactions with both women and men. Can you be more specific about why you didn't like the concept of modes? How would you have felt about this story if I hadn't mentioned modes at all?
/r/seduction05/01/12 11:00 PM
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Perfect response. Lmao.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:57 PM
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Really? Why? Give me some specifics. Help me not sound douchey in the future.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:54 PM
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ifoundcandy pretty much said it. If you have specific questions I'll try to help you find some answers.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:53 PM
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I think this is a good thing right? Haha, I'm not totally sure what you mean!
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:52 PM
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Glad you got something out of it.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:51 PM
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?
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:51 PM
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Ha! This I can't deny.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:51 PM
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Story as promised: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/o3g7a/a_cool_experience_being_totally_honest_with_a/
/r/seduction05/01/12 03:30 AM
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sounds like the same pseudo-messianic garbage every other guru espouses. I have to agree with your sentiment. It's really important to make sure you keep things in a balanced perspective. Never worth it to take any of this stuff too seriously. Take what you like and apply it and forget the rest. Any guru can only present one of many possible paths to success, and each path has its own benefits and its own pitfalls. Getting stuck on the same path will eventually lead to stagnation for sure. It's …
/r/seduction05/01/12 02:48 AM
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Glad you liked it! Just want to point out that I don't think you want to always be in Mode1 - Mode2 is also very important, and can be genuinely pleasant and enjoyable. Not only this, but it's important to be socially tactful, so Mode2, bordering on Mode1, is probably the ideal place to be at work. You don't necessarily want to be 100% candid at all times with your boss, for example, but you probably do want to be more straightforward than most people allow themselves to be for various reasons. …
/r/seduction05/01/12 02:44 AM
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Lol. No, I guess it doesn't really need a chart. Just a fun way to internalize the concepts for me :) , plus, some people will get a better understanding by considering the chart than from reading. To each his own.
/r/seduction05/01/12 02:37 AM
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No worries. If you have any specific questions, I'd be glad to try and see if I can shed some light on them.
/r/seduction05/01/12 02:35 AM
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I find it really hard to be aligned with the flow because I remain quiet NOPE! The opposite is true. You are not getting an intuitive feel of the interaction (aka not "in the flow"), therefore you keep quiet. I'm constantly trying to come up with things to say This is because there is a fear of being not funny / too quiet; there is also a desire to be seen as funny / charismatic / a good conversationalist. This fear and desire, if you look at it closely, are the same thing. Let them both go. Whe…
/r/seduction04/01/12 11:15 PM
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Just started reading the book "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie. Good so far. To personally get more out of it, and to possibly help some of you guys out, I'm going to be making a few posts as I read through. I will include my own thoughts and relevant experiences. Any and all are welcome to participate, and ideally this will turn into a discussion. I have a story that relates to the image. I will share it with you guys in a few hours, since I have some other stuff that I need to do until then.
/r/seduction04/01/12 10:59 PM
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Good response. I can tell you have experienced the things we are talking about! I keep finding when I feel tension when something goes wrong on a date remaining calm and collected and not acting is better. Yes. Often times, things are not what they seem at first. You need to let the tension of a shit test linger to see the opportunity it presents. To someone inexperienced in seduction, a shit test can seem like a bad thing - something that shows she is not interested. However, someone who has at…
/r/seduction04/01/12 05:25 AM
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It probably isn't the case that all your friends are smarter than you, and even if some of them are, then probably not by that much. It's not by being able to think quickly that they come up with witty comments. It's not as though they take whatever was said as input into a computer, and then evaluate a bunch of possible funny responses, and choose the funniest. If this were the case then yes, whoever was able to think the fastest would end up being the funniest. But this isn't how people usuall…
/r/seduction04/01/12 04:44 AM
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Very cool. I am interested in reading what you would have to say about it in more detail. I have honestly forgotten much of what was in it actually! I think I will read it again at some point. When you say, "the words stuck [...] and the meaning followed," I am intrigued. I have experienced this too, and what was awesome about it was that the meaning came out of a re-interpretation of the words. What I mean is that what I initially thought was meant by the words was very far from what I discover…
/r/seduction04/01/12 03:01 AM
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The Tao Te Ching is a book that, in conjunction with some other things at a certain time in my past, was able to help me greatly. I would definitely recommend it, but would advise you to not read it all at once. Take your time reading it. Savor it. Let it unfold to you in time. Spend more time thinking about what it says and living what you think it means than you do reading it. Mull over the meaning of each sentence and each word. The meaning contained in it is not straightforward, and though i…
/r/seduction04/01/12 02:02 AM
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LOL "Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day." Awesome. This might help: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?1699-How-to-build-sexual-tension-during-day-approaches
/r/seduction24/12/11 11:52 PM
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A reasonable amount of time to get through these steps might be like 15 minutes to an hour or so. But it can also be a lot faster than that, depending on how much she's already into you. Don't worry about how long....focus on what feel you get about the situation and her receptiveness to moving forward. Then press the accelerator when the time is right ;)
/r/seduction24/12/11 11:49 PM
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Agree - too much thinking. Do this: Meet up where it's just the two of you. Talk, joke around, enjoy yourselves, get into a relaxed and comfy vibe. Get physically closer, touch her. Go for it. Escalate. When to do what will have to depend on the specifics of the situation and what you feel. If she likes it when you move forward, don't take too long to move on further. If she doesn't respond receptively, take a quick step back, and continue moving forward from there. Make sense? Questions? Let me…
/r/seduction24/12/11 11:46 PM
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Go to the party. Do your best. Socialize. Have fun. The road to success is paved with failure, so choose to go out and fail. The bigger failure would be to not show up at all. Better to show up and have a shitty time. (If your goal really is to get better at seduction).
/r/seduction24/12/11 11:34 PM
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Just wanted to add - no need to ALWAYS be vulnerable! Lol The problem is that some of us aren't able to let our guard down in situations when there really is no actual threat. Talking to a girl, hanging with friends = no threat = realx = be vulnerable. Shit going wrong big time at work, coming across a lion in the jungle = big threat = get ready = DO NOT make yourself vulnerable. Just wanted to clear that up =)
/r/seduction14/12/11 02:00 PM
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Really liked this article. Here are a few thoughts: Outer vulnerability shows inner strength. Those who are willing to lower their guard and relax have the implicit belief that they can handle most situations they may face. Someone, on the other hand, who is always on edge, ready to fight, defenses up, does not have this inner belief. They are always in a defensive state because they feel deep down that they can't handle a lot of the possible situations. So they try to prevent these overwhelming…
/r/seduction14/12/11 01:56 PM
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Cool. Glad you got a little something out of it =) Shit gets really real when you get creative about what is the most effective opposite to screw around with. I like your analogy about still driving things but without spinning your wheels. It made me picture someone walking a tightrope. While they are balanced they don't really do much. As soon as they start getting even slightly off balance they counter it with a quick movement that gets them right back to balance again. Same with girls. Approa…
/r/seduction09/12/11 10:28 PM
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I like this post. Good stuff man! Glad to hear things are making more sense. I had something like this happen to me once. Maybe I'll post about it because it's a cool story and I'd rather not ruin it with a TL;DR version! What I eventually learned after a few breakthroughs while improving at seduction is this. If you're doing something, and it's not working, then you're doing something wrong (obviously). However, this doesn't mean that everything you're doing is wrong. Rather it's far more likel…
/r/seduction09/12/11 12:17 PM
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Doing something creative that absorbs your mind like writing, dancing, sports, singing etc. are excellent ways solidify your inner game. But you have to do it like you mean it -- do it to truly get better at the activity for its own sake. I.e. if you decide to take a dancing class so that you can use it to get better at pick up, you'll end up getting better at neither. Take the dancing class to get better at dancing. Do pick up related stuff to get better at pick up.
/r/seduction09/12/11 11:54 AM
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Honestly, I think it's worth getting decent at night game just because it teaches you to be direct and sexual from the start. As you said, you won't be able to hide behind it only being a friendly interaction at a club! It's fucking hard to just go up to a girl balls out at first, but if you stick with it it will get a LOT easier. Even if you don't stick with it long enough to see dazzling results, it will still have a good impact on your day game. I'm the other way around, believe it or not -- …
/r/seduction09/12/11 11:50 AM
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Well, my goals regarding seduction is definitely to push myself to the "next level" so to speak. It really isn't about only sex anymore since that is a goal I have outgrown, I feel. This used to be my goal when it seemed out of my reach, but now that it is something I know I can achieve I don't really care for it! I want to pursue seduction as a challenge to be able to do things that I previously couldn't. I found it interesting that your response was rather practical and straightforward. A few …
/r/seduction09/12/11 11:41 AM
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Hi Aaron, You mentioned that one of the reasons you were able to get really good really fast was that the rest of your life was in good order. I think that a lot of students of seduction have the belief (whether to their knowledge or not) that seduction is an area of their lives that is unrelated to the other areas like socialization, health, fitness, work, money, etc. This is not the case, though, and all areas of life are interconnected in ways that are not immediately obvious. I learned this …
/r/seduction07/12/11 01:18 PM
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