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vet their man and advocate giving up sex when exclusivity is verbalized by him. So he passes one test and then that's it? He's a saint for life because he commits? Why doesn't TRP allow something like this for women? Like if she cooks dinner and does anal, then she is no longer AWALT and worthy of marriage. Doesn't TRP specifically remind each other AWALT no matter how good she seems? There are no unicorns. Why are there also no unicorns in RPW? Finding a worthy man to concede power to seems alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:52 AM
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So you don't think having falsifiable predictions, making objective observations over larger sample sizes, analyzing data using modern statistics, submitting results for peer review, considering limitations and other possible alternatives, comparing results with multiple other studies, and using the scientific method is better than just believing with whatever seems to fit with your biased and limited personal experience? What area of STEM are you in if I can ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:39 AM
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Some support TRP beliefs, but are you willing to accept the ones that don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:18 AM
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Your requirement for studies is a Truman level of control, but how do you accomplish this level of control in your personal life? Why do you reject science because it fails to meet certain standards, but accept your personal experience even though it doesn't meet those standards either?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:15 AM
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Most BPillers here don't believe AMALT either, so I would say not. And I will accept your example of AMALT, but it is not the default attitude in the RPW sub. The standard assumption is that men act in the best interest of women. This is why they are happy to concede power in their relationships. They trust that their man won't take advantage or behave selfishly. Of course they encourage women to leave bad relationships, but they always assume the best until the worst happens. It is a quite diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:06 AM
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I mean AMALT. Why doesn't RPW have field reports and such to remind other RPW of AMALT? Why doesn't RP actively work to get rid of their AMALT behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:27 AM
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To deny the trend, leads me to believe BPers are the ones with truly limited interactions, and are suffering from confirmation bias, how is this less plausible than RP's supposed confirmation bias? If you don't deny the trend, and deny the explanation, where is your model? I have just as much confirmation bias as anyone from TRP and so do other BPillers. We are all human and we all suffer from biases. This is how human brains work. If we weren't biased, we'd never be able to make a decision abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:21 AM
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Why doesn't the same philosophy apply for RPW?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 10:54 PM
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I think you are being unfair to OP. Even if he is completely wrong, he appears to be just trying to bridge a gap in understanding between the sexes. He never said anything about men having a right to do what they want to women or anything close to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 11:38 PM
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A lot if the apparent vagueness comes from the fact that these ideas have been diffused across the internet for over a decade and you really have to have read it all over time as it was developing to really understand, not because it's so fancy or so complex, but because of the decentralized nature of the whole thing This is understandable. TRP also isn't a single hive-mind. Their beliefs have a lot of variance from individual to individual. Even if you start with something from the side-bar, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:03 PM
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Read the sidebar for rational arguments on the key RP concepts. Can you point to a specific example? I've read the sidebar and I haven't even seen an attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:22 PM
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It seems like you are just supporting my claim that TRP concepts are highly ambiguous and vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:19 PM
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And what are you gonna do? Throw dissected frogs me? We've got atomic bombs bitch!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:27 PM
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Pheh, as if physics were really a science anyway. Wanna-be math majors... I will fight you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:53 PM
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The description looks interesting. Next time I'm at the library, I'll see if they have a copy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:13 AM
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I got excited because I thought it was about physics at first. =(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:04 AM
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The post title and text seem to ask different questions. The answer to the title: some kind of introduction to logic. Most memorable book: Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:44 AM
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I don't see the burn. I think he just misinterpreted my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 09:22 PM
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By saying reality is racist or misogynistic, he implies that the only correct interpretation or response to a factual statement is the racist or misogynistic one. I am saying that the racism or misogyny lies only in the interpretation, intentions, or suggested attitude of the speaker, not the factual statement itself. As long as we can both interpret a factual statement in a non-misogynistic way and also be correct, then the factual statement itself can't be misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:45 PM
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Misogyny is an attitude. Facts can never be misogynistic by definition, because facts can't dislike anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 03:27 PM
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Nice talking to you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 03:25 AM
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We're talking population distribution right? I think you can answer that yourself - whether all the children are being fathered by 10% of the men or 100% they will still be born roughly 50/50 male/female. I somehow lost your reasoning along the way, so let's start over with your first response. The basis of your post seems to be that if males were truly disposable we would see societies that were predominantly female. Yes, somewhat. The basis of my post is that society does not value anything ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 02:16 AM
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You should play too. I wouldn't mind being double-teamed. =)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 08:28 PM
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Could something similar happen to women? They want to have hot passionate sex, but they don't want to be a slut. The only way for this to happen is if the man takes charge and 'dominates' the encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:45 PM
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Let me say that although I was playing along with your thought experiment, I actually believe that human behavior results as an interaction between genes and environment. The two can't be easily separated. This is the opinion of most modern scientists, and the whole nature vs. debate is largely outdated. For instance, if you assume some version of materialism then there has to be a root biological cause to all of our behavior. However, the expression of this root biological cause can vary signif…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 07:41 PM
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So let's say that we have two tribes, one with a higher frequencies of the 60:40 genotype and one with a higher frequency of the 40:60 genotype. If we leave the tribes to evolve naturally, the frequency of both the 40:60 and the 60:40 ratio will decrease until the average reaches 50:50 for both tribes. The genes have no record that the first society started as 60:40 and the second as 40:60. All this information is lost. Now say some epidemic causes the 60:40 society to be completely wiped out, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:54 PM
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You will know more about this than me, but we already have seen a shift towards the rehabilitation of criminals rather than retribution in liberal countries. Don't you think this is partially a result of these societies abandoning the idea of free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 05:14 PM
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If this becomes fully accepted by society, will we lose individual accountability completely?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 06:44 AM
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First of all, you should know that I'm not making this up on my own. It is a very famous evolutionary model. It is not intuitive and can be tricky to understand at first. I originally thought like you did until I started reading some stuff on evolution and realized my mistake. But anyways let me try and explain this in more detail than I did above. I will follow your model the best I can, but I have to change things a little bit. I will explain why shortly. This will be long and it will take a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 05:21 AM
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Thank you, you are very kind. I feel better now. And you are right, a lot of BP people do primarily have a moral opposition to TRP. You probably see them better than I do, since you are sitting on the opposite side of the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:57 PM
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There really is no etc.. The only thing that can change the 50/50 distribution is death. Even if a majority of the male population were to become celibate the 50/50 would not change because the birth ratio would remain constant. I'm not following your reasoning. What is the difference between a man who dies before he can reproduce and a man who is celibate his entire life (and then dies of course)? No you are taking far too of a scientific point of view. The basic reality (regardless of how you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:33 PM
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Forgive me Atlas, this will be a little bit of a rant. I'm frustrated about this so I'm taking it out on you a bit. If someone is to claim that they have some truth, then I expect them to have the justification to back it up. TRP inevitably falls into 'it's just a heuristic', 'it fits with my personal experience', or 'it works for me'. Just see all the comments below for examples of this. This is all fine, even though I prefer a more objective standard, but then TRP goes on to say that their vie…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:47 PM
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Your mistake is that biology will always correct any imbalances brought on by male deaths because birth rates are nearly 50/50 (105/100 approximately). You are approaching this from the wrong direction. The 50/50 sex ratio (Fisher's principle) is the predicted sex ratio before any other environmental pressures are introduced. When we introduce war, deaths, etc.. we see deviations from Fisher's principle. In other words, environment tends to cause societies to vary away from the 50/50 ratio, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 04:25 PM
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Besides the fact that you're misinterpreting what they mean by disposability I based my argument off the argument for male disposability given to me by a RP mod. I quoted it above. Other Red Pillers might have different ideas, but I'm going off of his post. you're also missing the obvious: regardless of reproduction success or optimization, the female and male birth rates are nearly 50/50. Can you explain your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 06:58 AM
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They don't care if it's true Of all of TRP's views, this is the only one that actually offends me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 06:42 AM
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You kind of skipped over my points, and just repeated yours again. Sorry, I will try to do better. IF there were no external challenges, evolution would select for a low male:female ratio, because females take a long time to make babies You are assuming that evolution will act to maximize the reproductive output of the group here rather than the individual. Do you disagree that's what you are doing here? This CAN be selected for by evolution. Pretend there's no external stresses again. Imagine a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 06:26 AM
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Fisherian sex ratios are a very low level side effect of sexual reproduction. You can tell this is the case because much lower level life forms than ourselves also exhibit it. Can you explain how this is relevant? An enormous amount of ink has been spilled trying to get evolutionary biologists to think like evolution and not anthropomorphize it at all. So don't feel bad when I tell you that your argument goes off the rails quickly. I didn't explain it clearly in my original post, but my argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 05:50 AM
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Thus, if we would expect a system that maximized solely for reproduction (with no stresses from the environment) evolution would select for more females than male This is the key point of contention. Yes, all other things being equal, the way to maximize the reproductive output of the system is to have more women than men. However, evolution does not act to maximize the reproductive rate of the system, society, or tribe. None of these things have their own genes. Evolution only selects for indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 05:05 AM
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The cultural phenomenon is a manifestation of the biological imperative. It is this biological imperative that I am questioning, not examples that we see in our culture. I actually quoted this exact post elsewhere in my thread. He talks about the biological reasons for male disposability, and that is the piece I'm arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 04:11 AM
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I didn't really use any math. I just described the reproductive success as function and relevant factors as variables because it is easier to examine the logic of an argument when it is presented abstractly. The core of the concept is that, women mostly have lots of options for mating/sex, while most men have few options for sex, and because of that, women choose men who are the best of the group. I've never heard this before. This seems more along the lines of the 80/20 rule than male disposabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 03:23 AM
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Good response. I can that tell you read my post and made an attempt to understand my argument. I appreciate that. Let me go over some of your points. You're talking about the sex ratio at birth, which is biologically set and a result of evolutionary factors related to the reproductive success of an individual (described in Fisher's principle), as you explained at the end of your post (and as the links explain). I'm using that principle to support the belief that collectively we are not evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 03:14 AM
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Hey Cis, I'm glad you responded. I specifically was interested in your feedback on this. You and I talked about this topic earlier in another thread, and that motivated me to write this post. Anyways, this is TRP argument according to you. The argument for male disposability is that men offer nearly nothing in terms of producing the next generation. One man can easily do 700 impregnations a year, so what are the other 699 men bringing to that tribe? Because we value the next generation, we treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 12:55 AM
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Male disposiblity is an outcome based on economic realities of how humans reproduce. The whole argument of my post is that this is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 11:22 PM
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TRP absolutely does this, and so do I.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 11:18 PM
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They would say that war is a manifestation of the biological tendency to value the lives of women over men. War is an example of male disposability, but biology is the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 11:04 PM
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The argument on the sidebar is that sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. It's the same argument that I gave above. I've never heard the responsibility argument. Care to share?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 10:52 PM
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I wanted to see for myself so I search 'sluts', 'promiscuous' in TRP search bar. There seems to be a divide in TRP about slut shaming. I found plenty of examples that said 'don't slut shame' or 'sluts are not bad people', but also several examples that appeared to be endorsing slut shaming. Here are the slut shaming examples I found. I consider these posts shaming because they are not just indicating a preference, but condemning sluts for their poor moral character. example 1 When an average loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 05:10 PM
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Please note that I am not for gender roles. I am staunchly against them. However, it is unlikely that such a widespread social arrangement has no advantages at all. Stability is one good thing about gender roles, but there is still a lot of bad that I'm not getting into here. Why can't people define the roles that work best for them in their own relationships and go from there? Why does it have to be pre-established gender roles? Those pre-established roles would not work well in my relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 08:33 AM
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I know. I'm using myself as an example. I am essentially disputing your claim that you are a representative member of TRP. I agree that most of your posts are objective, but I don't think that TRP subreddit in general is objective. Again, you can interpret whatever you want. I was explaining to the OP how objectivity can play a role in this. The whole point is that these statements are not objective. It is not the content that makes theses statements misandry, it is the implied attitude, i.e. no…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 06:11 PM
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Come on BP. If we are honest with ourselves surely there is one thing that we can find that TRP is right about. Here's my list. I tried to pick items that are truly controversial. The mainstream default position is to use social constructivism to explain gender differences almost exclusively. The predictions of social constructivism are not clearly supported by science, so you would expect that people would be a little more open to competing theories. The BP reacts too strongly against evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 05:45 PM
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An evolutionary psychologist did an AMA on reddit about a year ago. He wrote a paper on this exact topic. Here's the link and here is where he mostly talk about ages attractive to men. He says it's college aged. Even high school boys are more attracted to older, college aged girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 04:39 AM
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I'm not talking about you personally. I'm referring to TRP subreddit. Do you think it is fair of me to interpret TRP as a non-objective source of information based on an inference of implicit attitudes found in the posts there? Would you not agree thay if that were the case then they are not being as objective or honest about what they are saying? If the speaker changed 'Americans are a bunch of landwhales' to 'the majority of Americans are overweight' then I would say that they are being more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 09:30 AM
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You are free to make whatever assumptions you want about me. I want to make the correct assumption if possible. I don't think it's that difficult to look past the surface and factor context. I didn't either, but Red Pillers are constantly challenging our assumptions about them. I've also had many people make wrong assumptions about me and my beliefs. I'm sure you've had this happen too. Maybe it is more difficult to read between the lines than we think. Do you personally think I hate women in ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 04:37 AM
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Is there any context where we can imply certain feelings of the speaker based on their statements, even if they do not express these feelings explicitly? For instance, if I were say that 'Blacks are a dangerous race prone to violence,' could you safely assume that I had negative feelings towards Black people? If you could not safely determine my feelings from the context, would you consider 'Blacks are a dangerous race prone to violence' an objective statement? What if you were to find this stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 03:28 AM
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Feminists are clearly dedicated to feminism and very motivated, so why isn't boot camping the clear solution? I think that bit of agency/take charge is to some large extent absent or diminished in a woman's psyche. "Sack up and take initiative!" might actually be as inaccessible to them as "Dude, just go get laid" might be as advice to men. Here's my guess. They don't believe that individuals have any sort of free will. Not just women, but people in general. People can only act according to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 08:27 AM
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What are men's preferred methods to explore their emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 04:37 AM
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The question wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I just wanted to rub it in that we won the world cup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 03:49 AM
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I'm not actually sure if I agree, though I think that TRP's weakest area is definitely on thinking women are better off than they are. TRP, rightfully in my opinion, believes that women are made happy via social situations and happy relationships/marriages especially, at least for long term happiness. TRP's aware that women are not getting good relationships because they're using bad sexual strategy and TRP's aware that they suffer because of this. I was mostly thinking of this sidebar article.T…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 02:50 AM
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imo as someone with a philosophy degree. I'm happy to learn this. I'm familiar with how philosophers think somewhat, so perhaps we can understand each other due to this common foundation. Philosophers come up with good ideas and then semantically and pedantically beat them into the mud. This is why I switched to science. Blue pill linked to that and made fun of it as me just claiming men are special snowflakes and women are pathetic but I really think there's more to the idea than that. I didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 03:19 AM
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I like the speech act idea, so I will read more about it. Wikipedia was actually useful in it's classification of certain speech acts. For instance, assertives, or speech acts that commit a speaker to the truth of the expressed proposition, might be be the speech act I was having trouble classifying in the particular thread I linked. I need to think and read more on this. Also, I actually agree with the comment that you linked for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:54 AM
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Just read the last two paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:11 AM
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Ouch. I can't imagine what that must be like. How the hell are you supposed to pay your bills and eat with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:09 AM
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This is a valid suggestion. Let's see how it pans out in practice. I tried taking your advice with this post which is on the front page of TRP right now. The OP is advising men not to get married and not to expect empathy from women. This seems like mostly advice, so it would fall under the counselling category. That part was easy, but the rest I'm not sure how to classify. OP also makes a generalization about women based on his friend's experiences. How would you classify this type of speak? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:07 AM
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Can you access your money?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 09:54 PM
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Did you read this part? The moral standards of society are not shared by TRP. When we say that women are disloyal, we are not saying that disloyalty makes her a bad person, that's your own value projection. In your opinion, what was the point of my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 09:53 PM
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Dear HappilySingleWomen, I love you dearly, but given the short amount of time that it took you to respond, and considering the length of my post, I can only conclude that you either did not read it, or have super human reading comprehension. How are things in Greece btw? Are you surviving ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 09:49 PM
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It seems we have similar foundations, but have arrived at different methodologies. From your link, I agree that it is extremely important to make falsifiable predictions using your beliefs. Can you give a few specific examples of predictions you've made? How much do you generalize the results of your experiments? I've tried this few times and found it very difficult to create truly falsifiable predictions. I'm interested in what you came up with. It is great that you mentioned Bayesianism, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 03:35 PM
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Thank you for the explanation. I agree with all 5 of your bullet points to some degree. I am very interested in your epistomological standards. How do you determine if a claim by TRP is true or not? For instance how do you verify some of the core Red Pill claims regarding the 80/20 rule, AF/BB, alpha widows, the CC, and general statements about male and female nature. Most RP I've talked to rely almost exclusively on ancedotal evidence to verify these claims. How do you go about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 06:00 AM
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Are you Japanese?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:19 AM
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I like the way you think!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:17 AM
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Like I said, I was resonding to the comments above, not the survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:37 PM
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Hey bud. No, I've never been to lesswrong.com, but it seems like my kind if site. I'll definitely check it out in the future. So what's your take on all of this? How did you come to believe TRP ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:29 PM
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We don't know the magnitude of men's lying, either, so we don't know what the right number is based on their side of the equation. We don't need to know the magnitude, only the direction. Men exaggerate up, so we know the number must be lower than this. Women exaggerate down, so we know the number must be higher than this. Now we have a range of numbers, and the real number is somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 07:59 AM
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My goal is 100% science. I want to maximize the number of my beliefs that are true. The best way to do this is to pick the method that has produced the most true beliefs in the past. Science has the best track record, so that's what I go with. how much do you accept because it feels or sounds right, and how much do you try to verify? I just look it up on google scholar. EDIT: Where are all TRP STEM? I want to talk to you and I can't find you. I only ever seem to find the lawyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 07:54 AM
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Look at the comments above mine, they are talking about averages and not medians.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 07:01 AM
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we don't know if people give the full truth when attached to what appears to be a lie detector. We approximately know what the right number should be based on the average given by the men. We can tell how far off their numbers deviate from this expected value. We know the averages of both men and women needs to be roughly the same. Mathematically, this has to be the case, as explained elsewhere in this thread. Call this average X. We also know that men exaggerate their count, so we expect their …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 06:22 AM
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Say the magnitude of the lie is the expected number minus the reported number. If they report 3 partners on average without the lie detector and 5 partners on average with the lie detector, then wouldn't this indicate that magnitude of the lie is 2 partners on average? Since we know that the male and female average has to converge to roughly the same number, we can be reasonably sure that the actual number is within this range.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:30 AM
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Pretend that all ten women have sex all with the same man. To calculate the average you have to add the partner count for each woman and then divide by the number of women. This gives you (1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1)/10=1. Now do the same for men. This gives you (0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+10)/10=1. The averages are the same. If you try to make them different, you won't be able to. As long as the total number if men and women are equal, the averages have to be the same mathematically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:49 AM
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The hypothesis was that women are afraid of being exposed as a slut, so they lie about their numbers. The way to circumvent this is to reduce the threat of being exposed as a slut by making the the questions anonymous, but also by increasing the threat of being exposed as a liar. If the woman are more afraid of being seen as a liar, they will answer more truthfully than otherwise. They compared this with the expected average, and the numbers matched. Since they know the expected average is in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:29 AM
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Here is a study to help your case. They asked women how many sexual partners they had, and then asked again when they were hooked up to a fake lie detector. The reported average was only a couple partners lower than the 'lie detector' average. Women lie or understimate their count, but not by more than 2 or 3 partners. Men slightly overestimate their count.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 01:44 AM
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I would like to try and answer just this point. People say TRP is a pseudo science, but don't explain why Science has three essential components. 1) Objective, systematic observation. 2) Falsifiable, testable predictions. 3) Isolation of relevant variable. There are other important elements, but this is the bare minimum requirement for science to occur. Now let's look at a claim of TRP directly from the sidebar. Buying into the last point, this is why 20% of guys are fucking 80% of the chicks, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 08:37 PM
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Huh. The study I linked above in this thread is a meta-analysis, so it represents an average over the general population. It considered trends over 100 different studies on gender differences in mathematical ability with a total sample size of over 3 million. The previous studies I had linked to you before looked at particular age groups or skill sets. They describe the fine structure, while the meta-analysis above describes the general trends. However, they don't disagree, because the meta-anal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 06:07 PM
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Hey thanks for letting me know. All the studies I read said that men were more prone to narcissism, but I'm willing to make an edit if this information is inaccurate. Can you post a source or give the name of the textbook?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 02:23 AM
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Option 1: Instead of suggesting one thing at a time, give her three options and ask, 'Would you rather eat X, Y, or Z ?' This frames the question so that she isn't likely to simply respond with a 'no'. It is easier for her to pick which one she prefers than coming up with an idea herself. If she is really indecisive, stick with just two options instead of three. Option 2: Tell her I'm taking you some place awesome for dinner tonight as a surprise. Who doesn't love a surprise? Blindfold her on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 11:35 PM
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Alright, so this supports the idea that you aren't opposed to survey type scientific studies. If I link a study with similar methodology in the future, I can be confident that you won't reject it soley based on the fact that it is a survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 11:11 PM
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I mainly just wanted to know for future reference. I want to play your game by your rules, but I need to know what your rules are. If you accept studies based on surveys, then I know I can use this later on. It seems that based on your response, you accept the results of surveys as long as the woman has no clear reason to lie? Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 10:04 PM
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I actually agree with you, but isn't the standard RP position the opposite? It seems to me in the past that TRP has rejected survey based scientific studies because they claim that women do not know or lie about what they are attracted to. In other words, by accepting the results of this study, are you also accepting the methodology?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 09:12 PM
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Sorry here is another source with the full text available. It explains in more detail. In this study the groups were undergraduate students asked to perform in a business simulation task. The measure of success was based on the business simulation program that they used. High performance was measured by a greater return of assets, market share, and other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 08:37 PM
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Even though you didn't ask for studies, I'm going to provide them anyways. There are more differences than what I listed here, but I tried to just focus on the topics commonly brought up on this sub. I also tried to list some good and bad for both genders. The differences tended to be small and sometimes conflicting, so take these with a grain of salt. Men are more assertive and have slightly higher self-esteem than women. Women have higher levels of extraversion, anxiety, trust, and, tender-min…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 07:12 PM
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I don't. Our brains aren't wired to see truth. They are wired to make self-serving decisions that maximize efficiency rather than accuracy. The emotional parts of our brains choose what we will believe first, and the rational part creates justification later. It's not just a matter of being biased or not. It's a matter of being human. If you are human, this is what your brain does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:24 AM
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The goal is not to create a homogeneous set of beliefs in the population. We want there to be a wide variety of beliefs and ideologies. We want there to be Christians and atheists, traditionalists and feminists, republicans and democrats. Some of the ideas will be wrong and some of them will be less wrong. The really, really wrong ones eventually become less prevalent because they lack enough support to get people to believe them. The really, really good ideas will attract a lot of believers, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 06:51 PM
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I'm glad TRP offers some men an alternative that works for them. However, rather than trying to shield young men from potentially harmful notions, how about we teach them the critical thinking skills that allow them to discern for themselves? We probably won't be able to remove all the wrong ideas from the world, but we can give people the tools to think critically about these ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:32 PM
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I believe that you had those experiences and I'm sorry they caused you to struggle more than you needed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:03 PM
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I do empathise with you somewhat because all that 'be yourself' advice never worked for me either. I was weird and being myself meant being weird. I was nice enough but that didn't get me any friends. I would have loved to have some real advice like TRP offers men. However, blaming society, feminism, or parents, what does that really accomplish? Is it going to fix our problems? Not really. In order to make a positive change in our lives, eventually we are going to have to take some responsibilty…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 08:26 AM
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Do what works for you. I'm just speaking for myself here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:01 PM
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Bob has to be whatever his woman wants him to be at any given time. Not all the time. I was assuming these were behavioral trends and not particular cases. Are my expectations really that unreasonable? The blooper advice to "Just Be Yourself" and "Be Nice" is proven to be pretty shitty. He obviously has to calibrate himself... and to do that he has to learn how from people who can help him. I agree with this. I always thought 'just be yourself' was shitty advice. 'Be nice' is just default behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 09:56 PM
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It completely depends on the context. Context 1 I just met Bob. Bob#1's actions would startle me a little. He's coming on way too strong. He obviously would like to date, but I'm not sure if I like him in that way yet. I appreciate his attention, but I don't know how to tell him to slow down without hurting his feelings. It is strange to me that he would behave like we were good friends when he doesn't even know me that well. I would try to back off. (Exception: In high school I would have loved…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 09:26 PM
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I think that most BPillers would call this an equal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 08:13 PM
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It sounds like the power in your relationshop is based on who has the money. Since you make all the money, you are ultimately the one who makes all major financial decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:18 PM
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You are my favorite Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 08:03 AM
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I think I was clear when I said... Does this mean that men have any innate desire to be terrorists? Of course not. Most men are not terrorists and most men are not exceptional scientists. To say they have an innate ability for either is just oversimplifying things too much. My whole argument was that we should not make this assumption in either case. Furthermore, when did I ever say that men are not more likely to be scientists? Of course men are more likely to be scientists. That's why there is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 01:27 AM
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This is the common BP stance, but I want to encourage my side of this debate to read some real academic evolutionary psychology papers. They actually make hypothesises and test these predictions based on cross-cultural data and trends. True, it's not a hard science, but it offers an explanation for some behaviors that aren't adequately addressed through social constructivism. In contrast, TRP's version of evolutionary psychology is not data driven nor subject to any formal standards. They make a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 09:36 PM
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You're right, I don't mean to say that men and women have entirely different emotions, just at this point to recognise a difference. I didn't mean to imply that's what you meant. Let me try and rephrase a few things to make my argument more clear. 'n= subset of emotions that evolved to experience love' belongs to Set M. 'm=subset of emotions that evolved to experience love' belong to Set W. The question is whether or not 'm' and 'n' are identical. In other words, if n=m, and m belongs to Set W, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 09:17 PM
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I actually agree with your conclusion, however I don't think it follows logically from your argument. The reason is because difference in one area does not guarantee differences in all areas. To break down your argument. Men are physically stronger than women. True. On average men are stronger than women. This is a fact. Emotions are simply incentives to behave in ways that benefit our genes, and the genes of the human race. This is oversimplifying things a bit, but I agree with the general idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 08:26 PM
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Thank you for just saying it instead of tip-toeing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:01 AM
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Can you explain what you mean in more detail? Are you saying men are superior to women? It's ok if you are, I just don't want to make that assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 06:31 AM
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Doesn't TRP purposefully put women down and exaggerate their bad qualitites in order to shock men out of their mindset of puting women on a pedestal? How can we distinguish between this and legitamate disdain?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 05:21 AM
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It's not Blue Pillers that assign value, its the culture we live in. Loyalty, honor, integrity, honesty, altruism, maturity, rationality, and compassion are qualities associated with being a good person. These are the characteristics that we hear TRP assign to male nature. Dishonesty, immaturity, shallowness, disloyalty, vanity, selfishness, unaccountability, self-centeredness, and being manipulative, exploitive, and emotional is how TRP characterizes women. I know many red pillers here are quit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 05:06 AM
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I like your version of TRP ProtoPill. Even though I don't agree with all if it, you seem to genuinely believe that each sex is good in their own way and don't consider either gender to be superior over the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 11:39 PM
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Hey I didn't forget about you. I'm planning on making a new thread because this is a great topic. I'll address your points there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:04 PM
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I wouldn't agree with the converse either, but it may be just due to a different definition of innate ability. To me innate ability is something you are born with. The fundamental attributes that make someone likely to be good at science can be innate, but no one will become an exceptional scientist on these innate abilities alone. For an example, the NBA is primarily black. We could say that the majority of exceptional basketball players are black. Does this mean that black people have an innat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:00 AM
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If beta is just the things you listed, then why would TRP advise men to be a mix of Alpha and Beta in their relationships? Surely they don't mean that being partially unhygienic or obese is good for LTR. You are defining beta to be everything bad, so of course no one will be attracted to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:06 AM
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I think the evopsych story goes something like this. Women have two mating pressures, find a mate with good genes and find a good provider. Women will attempt to satisfy the second imperative first, because babies need resources more than they need good genes. Once this is satisfied, the women will be more interested in sacrificing good provider qualities for good genes. This results in extra-pair mating. However, extra-pair mating is risky since it could cause her provider to withdraw loyalty a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 05:52 AM
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I'm just going by what was said in the article OP linked. To quote, women do not have the same ''innate ability" or ''natural ability" as men in some fields. This seems a very different statement than 'there will be more men at the top end of the distribution than women due to the larger genetic variance in men' Perhaps he just phrased it poorly or the women overreacted, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 05:38 AM
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It's refreshing hearing a different perspective from a Red Piller. I like your version better for the following reason. Starting from the fundamental assumption of TRP, sexual preferences and attraction evolved relatively early in the history of our species. Sexual priorities are assumed to be more immutable and fundamental than higher order cognitive functions such as reasoning and abstract thought. As a result, sexual preference have much less variance within the sexes than other preferences. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 03:52 AM
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I truly care about science. That is really the only position I argue for on this subreddit. Science. Science. Science. Logic would be great too, but I never see that either. Most Red Pillers I've talked to say that their personal experience is better than science. This thread for an example. So I'm stuck trying to convince them that field reports aren't an objective source of data on the behavior of women. As far as there being more genetic variance in men, I already believed that. I'm not sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 12:25 AM
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If we have a group of men that are selected based on their problems with women in the past, why do you think that this would not be a factor in their reported behavior of women? If we expect our result to be generalized to a larger population, then we need to be aware of the limitations of our sample. For an example, if we wanted to do a study on obesity in America , then undergraduates wouldn't be a representstive sample. Such a study would only tell us obesity rates of college students. Howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 12:02 AM
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We just want people like /u/Hamstronaut to stop degrading and belittling women who choose other, more traditional choices, and stop referring to them as "servants" and "slaves". It's incredibly insulting to those women. Just out of curiosity, what monetary value would you give to the traditional female role? If a married couple were to get divorced, let's say because the husband was cheating, what percentage of the assets should a stay-at-home mom receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:29 PM
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This would be a fair objection if not for the fact that most of us have not held similar views pre-TRP. Do you want to know what my initial reaction to TRP was, merely a year ago? "What a bunch of deluded misogynists". Yet, when your firsthand experiences perfectly align with the pooled experiences of what is practically a random sample of men (young and old, tenured academics and blue collar workers, divorcees and incels, nerds and gym bros... you get the point), you can't help but doubt some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:18 PM
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A lot the studies are just psychology students partaking in the study for a grade in a class. I feel this is less random then they would have you believe. Seems like psychology majors jacking each other off. Then you can avoid studies that use psychology majors as participants. If you look for studies that control for age or culture you can generally avoid student samples. Also, most of the studies do not let the research subject know what the hypothesis is beforehand. They will say that they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 06:28 PM
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The difference is that the sample sizes are larger and randomized, quantitative measurements are taken, the scientific method is used, possible errors and alternative interpretations are considered, data is analyzed statistically to find any significant trends or correlations, results are compared against other studies, the hypothesises are unambigous and falsifiable, the method is peer reviewed by other experts in the field, and that's all I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 02:12 AM
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What type would the TRP be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:51 AM
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So you form your beliefs from personal experience? To response to your edit, We all know science isnt perfect, especially psychology. However forming beliefs from your personal experiences does not solve any of these problems. It makes these problems worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:46 AM
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Does this mean that you accept surveys as support for a belief? Edit: I should clarify why I am asking this. If you accept an informal survey over TRP as confirmation of some belief, then would you also accept the results of a scientifically conducted survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:37 AM
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'm happy with evolutionary psychology as long as it is academic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:33 AM
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What do you do if a restaurant has both good and bad reviews? Would you go with the fancy famous food critic, or would you go with Bob down the street? I'd go with the food critic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:29 AM
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Second, it should be clear that the difference in behaviour and thought-pattern is innately encoded, rather than purely something cultural. I hope someone will correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I don't think modern scientists make much use of the innate vs. cultural dichotomy any more. It was popular for awhile, but now not so much. The reason is because all but the most basic behaviors are likely to be a result of both genes and environment. Genes and environment interact to produce behavior…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 12:53 AM
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accumulate datapoints and identify trends. The problem is that TRP doesn't attempt to do this in an objective or scientific fashion. The survey sample is self-selected to contain a segment of the male population that share common views on women. The equivalent to TRP would be like surveying a PC gaming forum to determine what percentage of households own a computer. If TRP posted some statistics on sexual behavior, we wouldn't have a problem. Instead, TRP bases it's generalization on 'the collec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 08:12 PM
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I couldn't really find anything. If that happens I'd guess its because they view TRP as the bad guys. It's ok to hurt the bad guys. Every group in human history has done basically the same thing. Make the outside group look really bad so that we can be justified in hurting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 05:13 AM
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I'm sorry man. We aren't perfect. We fucking suck. We are shallow, selfish, and stupid. What am I going to do about it though? I can't go Bruce Jenner. If I could fix it for you I would. I can't though. You can vent on me all you want. I know that's nothing, but I'm here if you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 03:58 AM
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Can you explain in more detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 03:46 AM
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I'm not trying to shame you, I just want to talk this through. Let's be perfectly rational for one moment. How do you know this? Western women have been trained to believe that they, the most privileged class to ever exist, are somehow victims. And they have also been raised to be incredibly entitled. They seem to believe that other people just owe them. It feels right so they believe it. Do you know how incredibly rare it is for any woman, even my own mother, to be able to act altruistically to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 11:40 PM
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I like this one. It's NOT natural to be a clueless nice guy. Maybe if you are going. This is part of the game. , drama/lack thereof, domestic ability, I'm going to be a Chad Thundercock, Alpha Stud. Many other men feel the same way with this shit. EG: the whole euphemism that we are on the verge of making some big developments with this equipment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 09:52 PM
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thank you for your cordial, thoughtful response I'm surprised that you thought this, but I appreciate it! When you say "scientists", are you including social sciences or just physics, chemistry biology et al. Personally I include it all, but if you do not consider social sciences true science, then that is fine with me too. I am only pro-system. Create a system for belief, and we can then decide whether or not a belief is true within that system. It is much easier for me to play the game accordi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 09:41 PM
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Not necessarily- that would be assuming that every guy that went to TRP was an incel and I truly doubt that's the case for the majority (I'd like to see stats for this, though). I don't think this is the case either. However, on average I would suspect that the men coming into TRP are less sexually experienced than average. Otherwise, there is no need for TRP to begin with. That was only one example since I've seen it tossed around here. Heterosexual men would still associate women with sex beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:37 PM
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the collected wisdom of the entire human race, + science (which i said but youre ignoring) + personal experience + art + history + physical anthropology+ philosophy+intuition+ev psych That's a lot of information. Do you have a system? Suppose you have some belief A, and you want to determine whether or not this belief is justified. How do you go about organizing all of the information contained in the above fields in order to determine whether or not belief A is true? just addressing the science…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 06:50 PM
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Sorry, I responded to the wrong person. I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:52 PM
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I don't know, I'm just speculating here. Although I think it is reasonable for women to want to be in a relationship with a responsible adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:51 PM
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The humans have been observing each other for a long time Isn't that what you meant by this? What do you use to justify your beliefs if not science or personal experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:07 PM
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Your personal experiences, at best, are a soft science. You make observations about human behavior and construct some sort of explanation for their behavior. This is exactly what social scientists and psychologists do. The difference, however, is that the social scientists have systemized their method of observation to avoid certain well known errors. You do not do this, at least to the degree that scientists do. So you are still choosing to believe in a soft science, but one of the worst and mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 03:48 PM
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I have a theory about 'the responsible teenager' thing. I'll believe you when you say it works, but I have a different theory on why it works. Women don't like being treated like children. I seriously doubt that most women will respond well to an authoritarian boyfriend/spouse unless she's into BDSM. However, they really don't want to date a man who acts like a child. A lot of women have had experiences with very immature men, and they'd like to avoid this type of man. By thinking of women as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:25 AM
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I can understand this when it comes to picking up women. If I wanted to sell a car, I'd ask the top salesman for advice. If I wanted to get laid, I could ask TRP or some top PUA. However, why would you ask a saleman or a PUA about human psychology, evolution, or anything science related? Let's say that I wanted to know what was scientifically true, not just what works. By your own logic, shouldn't I believe the collective views of the top scientists in the relevant field?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:00 AM
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I had a question about this. In the "women are wonderful effect" study, the positive bias was only observed in men who were sexual experienced with women. The more sexual experienced they were, the greater the bias. In fact, the author hypothesized that the W.A.W effect was due to the association of women with sex. The more men liked sex, and the more women gave them sex, the more men liked women. However, the more men liked sex, and the less women gave them sex, the less men liked women. Here i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 06:29 AM
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As far as female role models, I find Emmy Noether very inspiring. Her work in theoretical physics is huge, and no one has ever heard of her. She basically proved that many of the conservation laws that we know where the result of symmetries in nature. Want to know why energy or momentum has to be conserved? Look up Noether's theorem. She also did a bunch of other stuff critical to modern day mathematics. One female role model that is still alive is Maryam Mirzakhani. She is a brilliant mathemati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:27 AM
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I was hoping for something a little more juicy. I wanted to see some legitimate man hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 06:11 AM
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I would like to talk to them actually. Is there a sub on reddit where all these bitter women congregate in one group?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:01 AM
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I don't think about my personal experiences much, because I don't trust that I remember things correctly. Also, I suspect that my perceptions weren't even accurate to begin with. However, since you asked I thought about it for a bit, and here is what I came up with. Girls don't want cute guys to be there, they want their particular crush to be there. Other than that, they want to be with other girls or people they know. They don't like being around large groups of strange men. The most common co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 01:39 AM
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This. The "I wish there were cute members of the other sex present at this party" is a pretty female attitude, men are more like "I wish I had a shot with the cute members of the other sex present at this party".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 09:12 PM
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I looked at the studies available on this and found mixed results. Here is a study that looks at the decrease in educational hypergamy We also explored the relationship between hypergamy and the reversal in the gender gap in education measured in terms of female educational ad- vantage. We showed that societies in which the female educational advantage is greater tend to have lower levels of educational hypergamy and that there is a tendency, observed in all our census countries over time, towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 09:08 PM
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How do we know this Sandman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 06:37 PM
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Wow, that was uncalled for. Why so hateful?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 05:38 PM
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I agree that this attitude exists, but I do not know to what degree or frequency. Also is this a woman thing or just a human thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:15 PM
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Personally I am happy about this. Relationships are less stable, but we have more freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 03:54 PM
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I agree, but the results of this study could be useful in looking at online dating for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 03:43 PM
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I think that gender roles and hierarchies increase stability and sometimes even happiness in relationships. If both people know what to expect from the other partner, and everyone has their own job, then I could see how this would help things go a lot smoother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 06:24 AM
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It was just an attempt of the author to rectify the apparent contradiction in results from the first set of studies and the second set of studies. Here is his reasoning. Frequency estimates tend to be influenced by ease of retrieval from memory (Garcia-Marques et al., 2002). One possible explanation, then, is that women tend not to continue processing attractive men beyond initial attention and, as a consequence, these men do not remain salient in memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 06:06 AM
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Earlier you said. Did you ever see TRP say that 80/20 doesn't apply to women as well? No. Now you are saying, So for men its 20/80 and for women its 20/5. Can you understand why we would be confused? The top 20% of women are only selecting the top 20% of men (or perhaps even lower 5-10%) whereas the top 20% of men are selecting from a larger % and having a larger total amount of sex. So let's consider the simplest possible model just to see if this is mathematically possible. Let's say we have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 06:00 AM
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Yeah I don't understand, could you walk me through it step by step?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:16 AM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 02:19 AM
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I wouldn't make that jump. We only know from this study that we look at attractive women longer, nothing about discrimination is mentioned here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 02:15 AM
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If you read the article, the reason they used this as an explanation was because the bias towards noticing attractive women in the first study was only found in women in committed relationships. Single women didn't show any bias towards noticing attractive women. This seems to support the idea of mate guarding. If they were just looking at the woman because they liked her hair or something like that, then the results should have been consistent with both women in relationships and also single wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 02:01 AM
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I am curious how they determined attractiveness in this study. Did they have the people go back at the end of the study and rate the people? Or did they use an average rating system? I've heard that women have more diversity in what they consider attractive than men, so a face ranked by the researchers as unattractive might be more attractive to a woman. Here is the relevant piece from the article. Fifteen male and 15 female facial photographs served as stimuli. All targets were of college age a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 01:33 AM
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How is it logically possible that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men and also that 80% of men are having sex with 20% of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 01:06 AM
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Generally true, but according to this study, it also depends on who you are. If you are a male, then you are likely to 'not see' woman of average level of attractiveness and lower, but only if you are single. This is especially true if you have permissive attitudes towards sex. You are also likely to look at an attractive women longer regardless of your relationship status, and also are more likely to remember an attractive female face. What is more surprising is the female results. Women tend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:34 AM
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Here are my responses to each of your points. 1) 'Science can be messy' Yet it is the best methodology available. The messiness of science is intensified and not resolved by basing beliefs on personal observations. 2)'Science is incomplete' This is true, and it is also changing constantly. However, your best bet at any given time is to align your beliefs to what is currently known through science. Also, I haven't had a problem with finding scientific studies on any of the topics posted here. Peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:55 PM
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I actually hope that this will become a debate over methodology. If we can agree that science and logic is the best available methodology for determining truth, then everything else will follow. If we can't even agree how beliefs are justified, then there is no use in debating any one particular idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:03 PM
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If I'm going to do this, then my position will be that a rational individual interested in maximizing the percentage of his beliefs that are true will not form his beliefs based on personal experience, but rather on science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 08:32 PM
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I'd give it a shot, even though I dont have a huge amount of time I can spend on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 08:16 PM
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I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but I really hate this kind of definition with a passion. All men are real. The guy who lives with his mom and smokes weed and play video games all day is a real man. The man who likes to dress as a woman and have sex with other men is a real man. The guy who likes to read TRP and sleep with lots of women is a real man. I don't get to decide what qualifies as a man based on characteristics that I like or don't like. Why should Brad Pitt be more …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 07:00 AM
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Those percentages are for number of sexual partners, not for how many total times they had sex. By your definition of sexually active, anyone who is in a relationship for longer than a year and doesn't cheat is not sexually active. Yes, I agree that would be a minority of men, but that seems a very strange definition. For instance, let's say Bob has been in a relationship for 2 years, and has sex roughly three times a week. In your opinion, Bob is not sexually active. That's a little strange don…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 08:06 AM
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I'm confused, then. If these articles clearly support much of what TRP says, what's the issue? The example you gave isn't particularly controversial. Everyone knows women cheat, so it's not too surprising that there are evolutionary explanations available for this behavior. The issue is that TRP will hold on certain beliefs even when there is significant scientific evidence to the contrary. What's an example of a key TRP idea that isn't supported by a similar study? For one example, you will be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:11 AM
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Let's use this as an example. Say this statement is the result of a study. Such findings would be extraordinarily politically unpalatable -- witness the politicized debate surrounding any study that suggests men and women's brains are different (not "one is better than the other," merely that the two aren't identical). Academics know how political academia can be, so why would they jump at the chance to conduct a study where the results could define their career in a negative light? But they exi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 11:43 PM
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You are right, the general public is resistant to accept that gender differences are biological rather than social. However, you can still find plenty of research on the subject. Part of the brain that deals with spatial reasoning more active in men Cognitive sex differences indicate males better at spacial reasoning Testosterone deficient men worse at spatial reasoning Males are better at adapting problem solving styles to characteristics of the problem Males score higher in reasoning than fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 11:24 PM
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I am not comparing the Blue Pill experience with the Red Pill experience. I'm comparing personal experience with science. How is your personal experience comparable in objectivity to a scientific study?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 08:00 PM
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You don't think science or personal experience is representative?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:07 PM
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I'm not sure if you want to continue this discussion or not, but can you explain why you think that any one individual's experience is more likely to be representative of the general population than the results of a scientifically conducted study?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:18 PM
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Usually stuff like this is addressed in the methodology. For an example here is one such study We explored this possibility by using the spouse's response to the marital sex question as a proxy report for the respondent's sexual behavior. There was a high couple correspondence in reports of sexual behavior. Over 70% of the couples provided identical responses for frequencies that differed by only one or two times a month. Less than 50 cases (out of 13088 people) had extremely discrepant reports …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 03:39 PM
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There are plenty of studies on infidelity, so could you clarify how your example applies? What is the exact statement you'd like to prove? Most women are willing to cheat on men? Women are more willing to cheat on men than men are on women? Some women are willing to cheat on men? All women carry a instinctual drive to cheat on men? In addition, how do personally observe women's willingness to cheat on men? Do you base your beliefs on people you know? Would you trust a science experiment that was…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 03:16 PM
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As long as the statement is unambiguous and falsifiable, I've never had a problem finding a study that at least touches on any of the topics brought up here. Can you give me an example of a topic that is too controversial to do a study about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 03:07 PM
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Yes he did. I'm not arguing against that. As for the second half, I don't know enough about red pillers to either confirm or deny that statement. However, if those same red pillers have certain standards by which they criticize outside groups, then it is fair to ask them to hold themselves by those same standards. The way I read his post was not, 'conform to what I think is right', but 'conform to what you think is right.'
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 03:03 PM
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Because the scientific method isn't always apolitical. This is esPEcially in regards to evolutionary psychology. that stuff is almost all nuts. Like I said, I realize that science isn't perfect but it is the best out of all possible options. Every one of us has an agenda. Every one of us is biased. Basing beliefs on personal observations does not remove this problem but enhances it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:58 PM
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I remember reading one study that said that men and women were similarly choosy when it came to LTRs, but then others studies that women were more choosy across the board. I've never read one that said men were more choosy even in LTRs. Do you have the link to that study? I wouldn't mind changing my view about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:52 PM
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If that's all you read from this then I understand your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:31 AM
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Yes I understand he made a poor argument. I'm being more charitable towards his post because I would like to see the actual point discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:18 AM
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He used emotional appeals, but I read his point as 'TRP engages in the same behavior as extreme feminists'. Saying I dont care doesnt address this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:16 AM
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You are right, I too would have preferred if OP would have developed his argument in further detail. However, saying that you don't care doesn't confront OP's point at all, it just avoids it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:04 AM
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I thought it was more along the lines of TRP engaging in the same behaviors it heavily criticizes in an outside group. If TRP criticizes feminism for behavior X, then why isnt criticism of TRP for behavior X also open for discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:45 AM
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I just want science or logic. Either one will convince me. I don't care what the view is. If you have a scientific study backing it up or a well-thought out logical argument, I promise 100% to believe it. It seems like many Red Pillers (and some BPillers too) form their beliefs on their own experience. I don't understand this. Our personal experiences are incredibly biased. Why would you trust yourself that much? The truth more often than not contradicts intuition rather than confirms it. The re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:10 AM
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This just shuts down any discussion. 'Yeah I could be wrong but I don't care. What are you going to do about it?' Well nothing, so I guess the conversation is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 03:59 AM
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To really verify this--you need data. You might be able to get hard data but probably not. You'd need to get a lot of data about what makes women and men jealous and how different it is between them. Regarding gender differences in jealousy, there seems to be a significant amount of evidence supporting the claim that women are more bothered by emotional infidelity and men by sexual infidelity. If you search google scholar for gender+jealousy, you will get plenty of supporting studies. However, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:44 PM
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From your link, The combination and scarcity and loss aversion are not pleasant feelings. The idea of not being wealthy enough to afford that Audi, or not being cool enough to drink that Grey Goose, or simply not possessing that iPhone 9XG, with the special Siri app that gives you blowjobs on command... these thoughts cause anxiety. Waiting in line all night at the Apple Store and buying the iPhone 9XG eliminates that anxiety. When you walk out of the store with that iPhone 9XG, you may think yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:25 PM
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Why don't you go see the posts I linked, which defines the term as used at MRP and is a core definition of the term on TRP rather than tell me that it's impossible we use the term that way because semantics. You can use dread game however you'd like, but that's not the way I'm using it in this post. I read your list, and then I read the comments. Several of the comments agreed with me that self improvement by itself is not dread game. So what if you think it is? There is more than one viewpoint …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 12:30 AM
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If you'd like, but that wasn't part of my argument. Saying that TRP doesn't want to be alpha doesn't confirm or contradict the statement that belief in AWALT is not alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 11:14 PM
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No, that is EXACTLY dread game. We are basically arguing over the definition of dread game at this point. I don't think your definition is useful, because we already have terms and phrases for improving your SMV, establishing social proof, and utililzing pre-selection. If dread game was identical to these things, then there would be no need for the phrase dread game. Dread game is only a unique and useful qualifier when it describes a strategy that produces feelings of anxiety in your partner. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 11:08 PM
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I still don't understand your view. Aren't the only people pulling out those who couldn't were unsuccessful in getting sex? If they are involuntarily celibate, then their lack of involvement shouldn't make a big difference on the average number of sexual partners, because their average was slim to none any ways. It's not like todays women are less promiscuous than previous generations. That's a joke. I don't know so this is just a guess, but if there was a big spike in promiscuous behavior in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 10:39 PM
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How do the basement basement-dwelling herbivores tie into this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 09:47 PM
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This is not due to women becoming more chaste, as I suspect you are implying. This is due to more men becoming basement-dwelling herbivore omegas, and the pool of eligible dick is shrinking for the women. You think that women are having a hard time finding men to have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 09:27 PM
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Yes I don't see your point because I'm not sure how self-improvement ties into this. I never said self-improvement wasn't alpha. Delusional thinking Delusional thinking would be like betting all your money even though you only have a small chance of winning. The AWALT analogy is placing such a small bet that you don't stand to gain much even if you win. My suggestion is to get enough money so that you you will be fine even if you lose, but also stand to reap a significant reward if you win. Sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 09:23 PM
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No. It is used to induce desire. Fear and Anxiety are of no benefit to a man who wants a woman to desire him. They may be unwanted by products. But you can't control how a woman reacts to personal improvement and the effect that has on other women. Of course the anticipated end result is not a fearful partner but a partner who desires you, but 'dread' is the means to this end. I'm not sure why you would argue that dread is not an expected result of dread game. It's in the very name. Yes, there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 09:08 PM
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Let's be clear on the objective of "dread" it is to "induce a woman to desire a man more because she believes him to be desirable to other high quality women". It is not only used to induce desire, but fear, anxiety, and dread. You want her to fear losing you so that she changes her behavior accordingly. By dreading yourself, you would change your behavior because you fear losing her. Now let me pull from a description of AWALT by a Red Pill mod. Really, we overcomplicate this thing. What does “…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 07:09 PM
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In my view someone who has the correct amount of abundance mentality and outcome independence is someone who can afford to think the best of people. They aren't risking much by doing so, because they do not rest their happiness on the actions of other people. Apathy might be the extreme example of this, but that's not what I'm suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 05:47 PM
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You are jumping to the extreme, but everything we are talking about exists on a scale. If you are continually worrying about your dog dying or if you emotionally distance yourself from your dog out of fear of it dying, then you are too far towards one end of the scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 05:38 PM
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Why should self improvement not be alpha? Why should being delusional be alpha? It seems like you are trying to reduce AWALT to just these two things. AWALT, from what other Red Pillers have told me, is carrying the expectation that she will probably leave/cheat if you slack off. It is used as motivation to always stay on top of your game. This is the definition that I am referring to in my post. If you only define AWALT as not being delusional and trying to improve yourself, then my post won't …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 05:28 PM
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Firstly, dread is not bad. It's motivation to work harder. It says not to take a partner for granted. TRP wants to make you great. The point of dread is to make your partner great. Dread just makes you up your SMV. The result from Dread game can be good, bad, or neutral, but the feelings produced in the recipient are always bad. That's the only reason why it works. The bad feelings (fear, worry, dread, anxiety) motivate a change in behavior. That's why it's called Dread game and not Inspiration …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 08:47 AM
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Then it makes no sense to call it AWALT. If you don't care if your chick comes or goes, then you wouldn't need to remind yourself that AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 08:08 AM
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Yes, or else she will leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 07:45 AM
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AWALT is caused by pure statistics. I can tell you the number of times it has happened in my life, what I have seen in my own family, society and even reddit if I search hard enough. We have different ideas about statistics, pure or not. However the correction i would make to that is that the fear is that you are not your best, not that any one thing in your life might go or come. AWALT is not given as a warning that your wife/girlfriend might leave you if you drop your game?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 07:36 AM
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Do you think that TRP is trying to even the score? Are they trying to counter one bias with another bias in the opposite direction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 03:51 AM
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Doesn't TRP encourage men to lead?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 05:49 PM
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I'd argue that most people don't want to lead. Leadership is a big responsibility. We should encourage both men and women to lead, because only encouraging men to lead reduces the already slim chances of someone taking on the responsibility by roughly 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 05:33 PM
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TRP doesn't just talk about women though. TRP directly compares male and female nature, and here is where the problem lies. In any direct comparison between the character of men and women, TRP always assigns the morally positive version of the characteristic to men and the negative version to women. For instance, men are loyal, women are disloyal, men are sacrificial, women are exploitative, men hold themselves accountable, women hamster away their personal responsibility, men are mature, women …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 05:26 PM
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I think you are completely misunderstanding rn443 here. You both have two completely different perspectives. You are viewing his comment through your perspective, which is why you are reading it the way you are. Let me explain further. Your perspective is pragmatic based. You have taken steps to find a happy healthy relationship using set of beliefs A. You have been unsuccessful with beliefs A, so you have moved on to beliefs B. This is a perfectly rational thing to do. When you read rn443's com…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 04:39 PM
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Ah, dammit! That probably means I've been neutered and am on my way to being marginalized. Must. Generate. OUTRAGE!!!! /s Either that or I am slowly becoming more Red Pill. Wouldn't that be horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:08 PM
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Not that you need my approval, but based on your posts here I think you are a pretty good husband. I've never had a big problem with any of your personal beliefs. You just seem like a guy who wants to make his relationship work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:42 PM
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It's my bad, I misunderstood your perspective. I was saying that the majority of men do not attempt to control female sexuality. However, I see now that wasn't the point of the post. The point was to make an observation about female behavior, which I agree with btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:33 PM
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I think this is a great strategy. I try to do this myself too, by continually reminding myself what my boyfriend contributes to the relationship (which is a lot).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:21 PM
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Sure, I agree with that. When I said TRP, I was referring to the members of TRP, not TRP doctrine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:14 PM
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Speaking for myself, I don't think that TRP represents the majority of men. Behavior from TRP members doesn't equate to typical male behavior. In other words, TRP shames women for their sexuality, but I don't think that most men do this. Apparently many women do, so bad on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 06:10 PM
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I remember reading some study where the participants where made to play a game with a tit-for-tat exchange of money. They could either behave selfishly (by keeping all the money), or unselfishly (being generous with the money). Women on average mimicked their partner's behavior. They would give as much as they received. They would also reward unselfish behavior, and punish selfish behavior. In other words, women were typically egalitarian in their exchanges. I'll have to look up the study again,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 05:39 PM
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In sociology there is some attempt at the scientific method. They establish a falsifiable hypothethis, attempt to control for all variables, and conduct the experiment over a meaningful sample size. Objectivity is at least given a reasonable attempt in all the studies. Contrast this to how the average person forms beliefs from their own experiences. They decide from the beginning what they will believe, and then look for evidence that confirms those beliefs. The logical portion of our brains lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:23 PM
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What's the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:30 PM
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80/20 has been confirmed by sociology. Even if it wasn't true a top 20% man has more options than his lower brothers. Are you talking about that roughly twice as many women have successfully reproduced throughout human history? This might be true, however, it seems a very different statement from 'only 20% of men are having sex'. Women are socialised to stay in their teens until they are 27+. Later when trp doesn't want them anymore they can get as mature and bitter as they want. This again is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:08 PM
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The same thing that hopefully everyone accepts as evidence, science and logic. Any peer reviewed study published in a reputable scientific journal I will believe without reservation, unless there is a more recent study available. I don't discriminate against any particular methodology. It's hard to form rigorous logical proofs within this subject matter, but I will even take a well thought out argument that makes a good attempt. Really I just need something besides, 'well it worked for me and al…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:42 AM
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Well for instance, the idea that 80% of women are having sex with only 20% of men. I know this is only meant to be an estimate, but I don't see how it can be true even as a rough approximation. If you look at the CDC reports, 11.3% of women ages 15-44 haven't had any sexual contact, and 11.4% of men. The number of virgins is roughly equal for both sexes. Most people are in the 1-6 partner range. I know women lie about their partner counts, but if you look at the bogus pipeline study, it is only …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:32 AM
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Suppose you had a friend who was in great shape and optimal health. You ask him what he does to be so healthy, and he says that he rinses his mouth with olive oil every morning for 30 minutes. He tells you that this transfers impurities from the body into the oil. Interested, you decide to google it when you get home. You don't find any support from a reputable medical site, so you decide to confront your friend about it. He is unsurprised by the lack of information from the medical community. "…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 06:26 AM
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I think I must have misunderstood your argument, so let me attempt to clarify. I thought you were saying that TRP advises that men should lead in relationships, because it is the best out of the two options you listed. It is also the best option for women, but TRP doesn't mention this because obviously they are not women so what women should do is irrelevant. Then I linked a TRP sentiment that clearly expressed what women should do, something you previously said was irrelevant. The sentiment was…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 12:28 AM
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Assuming that TRP does not advocate authoritarian relationships, there are two things that determine leadership. Someone willing to lead, and someone willing to follow. If the young man is willing to lead, then it is completely up to his new wife if he has merit enough for her to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 11:48 PM
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I want to be on your side here. I understand that TRP is from the male perspective. I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. However, I just don't know how else to take comments like this. Women aren't meant to lead, they're not meant to be in control of anything, they're nurturers not leaders. They do a poor job of handling responsibility, and yet none of these observed constants inhibits the female lust for power, be it because feminism imbues her with this lust for power, or because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 11:39 PM
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I am a man, why should I care about female strategy? We are both here to understand each other a little better I hope. Probably the same ones. Then wouldn't this just be a human issue, and not a gendered one?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 10:18 PM
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What are the options for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:18 PM
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I think leadership should be based on merit and not gender. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:10 PM
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I completely agree. I don't think that the men of TRP understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 03:42 AM
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I don't think you addressed any of my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 06:16 PM
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Do you agree that society primarily values women for their ovaries/appearance and men for their utility? I'm surprised that most Red Pillers are saying they would rather be valued for their utility, when on TRP subreddit this is presented as a hard pill to swallow for men. In fact you often see men begrudging women for loving them for their utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 05:56 PM
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Did you read this line? Perhaps the scientific consensus is wrong, but this is still your best bet. You are more likely to be closer to the truth than if you chose your beliefs in some other fashion. Or this line? We never get to the truth, we are always in a dynamic stage of being less wrong. Freud was less wrong than his predecessors. Now we are less wrong than Freud. You will never have the complete truth at any one point in time. If so, why are you hung up on the fact that science is sometim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 05:50 PM
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So you don't identify yourself with your ovaries, reproductive capacity, or appearance, but rather the things you do or provide for others? Is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 04:54 PM
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We never get to the truth, we are always in a dynamic stage of being less wrong. Freud was less wrong than his predecessors. Now we are less wrong than Freud. You will never have the complete truth at any one point in time. There's a great idea in philosophy called Bayesianism that basically says the same thing as Lucien. Basically, it goes like this. Suppose you have two perfectly reasonable people. These people are completely fair in their beliefs, and have computer-like objectivity. How could…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 04:51 PM
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3.) Who I am, flaws and all How do you primarily define who you are? You said that you would like people to describe you as cool, interesting, and kind. If a woman loved you because you were cool, interesting, and kind, would you say that she is loving you for who you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 03:47 PM
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3) just me. I would like her to derive happiness from making me happy. How would you define 'me'? Your personality, character, looks? I agree that a woman can be loved just for being herself. By being loved for herself, do you mean loved for her physical characteristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 03:43 PM
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I think it's great. This place would be much more stagnant without you around. I hope you never leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 03:38 PM
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Most men here are saying they would rather be valued for their usefulness or their actions rather than their physical appearance. Then why is 'men are valued by society for what they can provide' considered a hard pill to swallow? Isn't this preferable to being valued for your physical features?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 03:28 PM
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Useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 02:41 PM
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Maybe if it's just one or two men, but if they've spent most of their twenties having sex with alphas they're not going to be happy having to settle for a lesser man than they think they're worth. You think that getting repeatedly dumped would make them think better about themselves? If she's a feminist she'll view her career success, PHD, 'life experience' and all other manner of masculine traits and achievements as an indication of her high value. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 12:02 AM
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The trouble for women is if they have sex with men who are out of their league, they probably get an inflated sense of their worth and think they should be able to get attractive men to commit to them. I see this opinion often from TRP and it looks very much like male solipsism to me. Men get a boost to their self-esteem when they have sex with an attractive female, so they assume the same is true for women. However, women know that almost any man will fuck them. Men do not withhold sex based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 06:40 PM
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I don't believe any of these things. Does that make me Red Pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 01:26 PM
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Each gender has strengths and weaknesses. Men are hard working, loyal, sacrificial, and virtuous. Women are charming, nurturing, fun, and warm. Where does this come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 10:31 PM
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I spoken to you a couple of times on PPD, and to be honest your point of view completely confuses me. I generally understand where TRP is coming from. I get that they like to base things on evolutionary biology. We are inherently selfish animals and every relationship is based on what's in it for us. We are still fundamentally apes. Intelligent apes, but still apes. We are primarily driven by our biological imperatives. Even though this is a little extreme in my opinion, I understand it and even…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 08:59 PM
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"women are perfect beautiful creatures with only the most pure of intents" I didn't know this was a thing. We must have been a big disappointment to you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:56 PM
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Women are taught that men will use them for sex, but aren't men taught that women will use them for their money? Isn't calling a woman a gold-digger just as common than calling a man a pig?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:13 PM
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I'm not trying to diminish what you are saying, but aren't women fed a similar tale? We are told that prince charming will come along and love us for who we are on the inside. We are told that real men love us for our personality not our superficial appearance. We are also told to just be ourselves and the right man will come along. Again, I'm not trying to illegitimize your anger, I just really want to understand where you are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 05:41 PM
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I think that if you want to be self sufficient and independent then you'll have the drive to do so. If you have the drive to do so then you'll take the most successful path towards doing so. Do you mean pursue the career that makes the most money? You can be self sufficient and independent with a nursing degree, right? For most college going people, that's a STEM degree. If a population then doesn't mostly major in STEM, that population does not have the drive. Most men major in business. By you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 05:48 PM
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It seems like your logic is this. To get a STEM degree you must have the desire to work hard. If you don't get a STEM degree, then you must not have the desire to work hard. Is that your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 04:35 PM
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Are you a STEM major?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 03:55 PM
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Why can't they just be deemed lazy for not pursuing STEM rather than pedestalized that it must be discrimination? Do you also think that men who choose not to pursue a STEM degree do so because they are lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 05:33 AM
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Expecting people to behave rationally in the middle of an emotional conversation or argument is one thing. In that type of situation, I agree, don't expect anyone to behave rationally. However, assuming people are irrational in general is a commonly used method to discount another viewpoint. It saves you the effort of really having to understand that person's perspective. It's lazy. Take for example, us BPillers. We do this all the time. We discount TRP as irrational, because it saves us the eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 10:05 PM
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This is just ancedotal, but i work with a lot of people from China. All of the girls almost exclusively prefer to date chinese men. They want someone who speaks their language and is familiar with chinese culture. Also, the white men they do find attractive tend to be much shorter than what american girls find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 06:12 AM
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That being said, why is it unfair to assume that our mating patterns are that much different to our primitive ancestors and evolutionary kin? (Like the bonobos) The female picks the most powerful male out of the group, and the beta males don't get any action. That's just how it works. Is this how bonobo mating works?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 06:32 AM
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Alright, you could think of TRP in a scientific sense but it's not beholden to such standards. At best it's a bunch of subjective empfertialata that works for most of the people who apply it. We have scientific articles to back up some of our claims, but applying dread game or going nuclear to prevent a girl from slutting about is impossible to study from a double blind perspective, as such behavior is essentially asking men to purposely risk their relationships with women to see if it "works". …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 04:16 AM
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Here's the wikipedia page on infanticide There is a long list of cultures that have practiced infanticide to varying degrees. Would infanticide fit as a societal norm in any of the cultures listed according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 10:18 PM
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Because I would consider infanticide or abortion as a social norm in a society that practiced infanticide or abortion as a norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 09:50 PM
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How do you define a social norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 09:35 PM
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Here is the second part of my response: From the rest, I get the feeling that you are completely misunderstanding the intention of my post. You commented on how BPillers get too caught up in the offensive parts of TRP, and ignore the rest of the content. I agree, and I want to change this. I don't like being offended. I am re-framing my perspective so that TRP appears less offensive to me. Rather than think of TRP as a group that allows men to bully the underdogs (offensive), I would rather thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 04:49 PM
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Are you asserting that some cultures believe infants to be disposable? What's your reasoning there? I'm not asserting anything. I'm just asking why infanticide isn't considered. I mean, do you have any data comparable to say, war's listed by their casualty rates? If the world all of a sudden committed roughly 40 million infants to death over a period of less than a decade, as we did with men in WW2, I'd see your argument as stronger. Let alone that these casualties are of a single war and don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 03:55 PM
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Think of this like a scientist. Pretend you are an anthropologist who is studying a culture where 50% of babies are born with blue eyes and 50% of babies are born with brown eyes. All babies born with blue eyes are killed. Babies born with brown eyes are raised as normal. What would you conclude about the relative worth of blue-eyed people in that culture? You could list multiple possibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 03:46 PM
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I don't have an opinion about this either way, but whenever the topic of the disposable male comes up I always think of infanticide. Why doesn't TRP consider infanticide or gender specific abortion rates as a measure of 'disposability'?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 06:12 AM
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Alright, my point is this is narrow minded thinking that BPers use to discredit us ignores the wider picture... They're fixated on politically correctness, to the point where facts are sometimes ignored, with a tendency to believe what "sounds" correct versus what's "really" correct. Well sometime I think it's because the idea is not presented in a neutral, objective fashion. People want to read their reality from a scientific journal not from something that sounds like a blog. But in other case…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 06:06 AM
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First of all, my post is not intended to be a criticism of TRP. If anything, it is a criticism of society. People get offended when someone break a rule of society. Blue Pillers get offended by TRP because in their minds TRP is breaking a rule of society, i.e. don't pick on the little guy, but the big guy is fair game. However, we are wrong to be offended. TRP isn't breaking a rule, they are just applying a rule differently than what we are used to. They have different ideas of who is the little…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 08:34 PM
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So you agree that she shouldn't make decisions based on the happiness of another person that doesn't exist yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 10:03 PM
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I think you are misunderstanding OP's position. Within the context of a relationship, we would absolutely believe in doing everything possible to make our partner happy. We don't mind cooking, cleaning, giving blow jobs, or anything else that is necessary. However, she is not in a relationship. Any boyfriend or partner is purely hypothetical. She is really asking, "Why should I make decisions in my life now to make a hypothetical person happy?" This is a valid question. Since she is not in a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 08:06 PM
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Exposure is single most critical factor in finding a quality mate. It doesn't matter how hot you are, if you only hang out with low quality men, that will be your only option. Women who want to find a good husband should try to maximize their exposure to high quality men. In order to do this, women should pursue a career in a difficult, male-dominated area like computer science or engineering. They will be surrounded by men who can work hard and will likely have decent careers in the future. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 05:13 PM
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The truth is much harder to obtain than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 05:58 AM
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To add to what you've said, more men lean towards the systemizing extreme and more women lean towards the empathizing extreme, but most people lie somewhere in the middle. Here's a scatter plot showing the differences in distributions The green squares correspond to individuals with autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 06:34 PM
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Can you show me an instance where any of the items on this list are encouraged by TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 03:51 PM
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James Bond movies are made to appeal to men not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 04:19 AM
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Here's an excerpt from the book: In a Nutshell - Six Ways To Make People Like You • Principle 1 - Become genuinely interested in other people. • Principle 2 - Smile. • Principle 3 - Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language. • Principle 4 - Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves. • Principle 5 - Talk in terms of the other person's interests. • Principle 6 - Make the other person feel important-and do it sincerely.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 02:57 AM
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a) In YOUR view, is it accurate? Generally speaking. No, for the following reasons. ... to create and nurture emotionally abusive relationships for sexual gain I don't see TRP advocating emotional abuse. From what I've read, dread game usually just means taking a step back from the relationship, not trying to make your girl feel like shit about herself. Sometimes it can be childish, but I don't think women are so fragile that this amounts to emotional abuse. TRP uses words like dread, negging, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 02:33 AM
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I know this isn't specific to picking up women, but "How to win friends and Influence People" is pretty classic. Charles Mansion used it to get women to murder for him, so it seems like it could also help a guy get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 12:45 AM
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Are you referring to suicide attempts or 'successful' suicides? I think that more women attempt suicide, but like taiboworks said, men are more likely to actually die due to their use of guns over pills. Also, I don't believe that the male emotional regulation strategy is better in every case. Like I said, they are also more likely to use drugs and alcohol as a distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 12:38 AM
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Since men are shamed for expressing emotions (besides a couple acceptable ones like anger) they usually don't deal with it in a healthy way. I don't believe the second part is necessarily true. For instance, one study showed that men are more likely to employ emotional control techniques such as cognitive reappraisal and distraction which have been shown to be correlated with lower levels of depression. Of course this will be unhealthy if the chosen distraction is alcohol, but if it's sports, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 09:41 PM
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Would your girlfriend ever be willing to do an AMA?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 05:07 AM
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For those interested here are the National Health Statistics on sexual behavior in the United States The number of sexual partners is listed by age on pages 19 and 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 05:56 AM
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1) I think the vilification of TRP on reddit is lazy. We should try to understand where they are coming from, even if we never intend to accept their worldview. 2) Social constructionism is over emphasized. 3) On a more personal level, my feelings are hurt way too easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 05:13 AM
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I essentially agree with this, although I don't know how useful it is as a model. All voluntary social interactions have some form of exchange of non material goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 04:14 AM
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That's an interesting point of view. I never thought about political correctness in that way before. Out of curiosity, do you feel similar about gender roles? For instance as a man you are expected to provide monetary support for your family. Instead of being able to do it on your own accord out of love, it is just expected of you. Does this remove some of the joy for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 04:05 AM
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I know this doesn't directly answer your question, but I have problems empathizing with the author of this article. I think her fear of men is irrational and overblown. Her accounts of angry, violent men are not the norm. I feel bad that she views men this way, and I wish she could see how most men are awesome, loving, and caring. There is no reason to view men as a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 08:27 PM
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Here is the wikipedia article on the boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 06:56 PM
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This is an awesome idea for a post! It's a great way to test whether or not we really understand the other side. Here's my attempt, The current fashion is to assume that all observed human behaviors result from social constructs. However, many tests of this assumption show that the opposite is true. Twins separated at birth have similar IQ's despite being raised in remarkably different environments. Attempting to raise a biological boy as a girl leads to disastrous results. In fact, although the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 05:44 PM
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I am completely missing your point. I'm not asking him to be critical of men for the sake of being critical towards men. I'm only asking him to back up his claim which is a reasonable thing to do in a debate subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 11:09 PM
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I am sorry, perhaps Wolfsouls and I misunderstood you. So you do not believe that men are loyal, honorable, and empathetic in general and that by contrast women are disloyal, dishonorable, and un-empathetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 10:37 PM
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If a member of TRP claims that he is equally critical of men as he is women, then wouldn't it be reasonable for me to ask him to make an equivalent criticism of men? I don't think it's his job to discuss men. I'm just asking him to back up his claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 10:30 PM
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First of all, do you agree that 'men are loyal', 'men are honorable', 'women are disloyal', and 'women are dishonorable' are value-laden statements?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 10:25 PM
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I actually did assume this. You aren't talking about men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 09:29 PM
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You must be talking to someone else, because I never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 09:24 PM
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You are right, my point is tangential to the OP's. I actually disagree with OP's point. It's not that TRP only makes generalities about women, its that when comparing genders, the majority of TRP's generalities about men are positive and the generalities about women are negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 09:18 PM
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We are talking in generalities though, aren't we? Even if I were to construct some situation in which loyalty or rationality would be bad, in general it is still true that calling Bob a loyal, honorable, and rational person is making a positive statement about Bob's character, and calling Bob a disloyal, dishonorable, and impulsive person is making a negative statement about his character.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 09:16 PM
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I assume that an objective, scientific result will be a neutral result, because science does not make statements about value and morality. Therefore any discrepancy in the neutrality of the two sets is likely to result from an internal bias of the creator. However, you don't accept this determination of bias and that's fair enough. Let's use your's instead. You said that in order to determine bias that you should verify the strength of the data. Let's return to my list of TRP claims. All these c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 07:49 PM
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I don't think 1 and 3 would be considered positives by anyone, but I'll take your other points.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 07:12 PM
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Let's say we have a list of all negative characteristics, all with roughly the same weight. We then create a venn diagram with two sets, 'M' defined as negative traits possessed by men in general and 'W' defined as the negative traits possessed by women in general. If a trait does not belong to your set, then it is assumed that you posses the positive version. For instance if disloyal does not belong to M, then we can say that in general men are loyal. The sets can be the same size, or one can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 06:47 PM
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In any instance where you directly compare a character trait between men and women, you always attribute the positive version of the trait to men. How is this not biased towards men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 05:26 PM
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Even though saying 'women are selfish' implies that men are unselfish, I don't mind dropping this point. There is no need to consider statements in which a gender difference may or may not be implied, since TRP makes plenty of direct comparisons with no ambiguity of implication. Let's just talk about these statements. I'll concede to your point on all the others. For an example, TRP makes the following direct comparisons between men and women. 1) Men operate on logic. Women operate on feels. 2) …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 05:22 PM
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I don't understand. Who are you biased against then? hermaphrodites? In the context of this thread, bias would mean a tendency to attribute positive qualities to men and negative qualities to women or vise versa. How could you be biased towards both?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 05:08 PM
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The point of this thread was ask TRP if they are just as critical of men as they are women. I made a list of TRP beliefs that attributes negative characteristics to women and the corresponding positive version of the characteristic to men. You said that you mostly agreed with this list. Then I asked you if you could make a similar list with women holding the positive version of a characteristic. You said no, because women are more self-centered than men. Based on this exchange, how is it possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 05:00 PM
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Thank you for your response. We can throw out 2 since you don't believe that one. Notice in my list that every statement is a comparison. Men possess the positive version of some characteristic, and women posses the negative version. Can you make a similar list with women possessing the positive version of a characteristic and men possessing the negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 04:47 PM
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women for being self-centered and incredibly opportunistic. Do you believe that men are not self-centered and not opportunistic by comparison? men for being lazy, gullible, weak-willed chumps Do you believe that women are hard-working, astute, and strong-will by comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 04:42 PM
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Do you believe everything in this list? 1) Men operate on logic. Women operate on feels. 2) Men continue to mature their whole lives. Women keep the immaturity of a teenager even into adulthood. 3) Men are the true empathetic sex, women are solipsistic. 4) Men are loyal by nature. Women are incapable of being loyal to a man. 5) Men will love you for who you are, women only for what they can get out of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 04:24 PM
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Yes I understand your point and I realize I'm nit-picking, but mathematicians and physicists solve problems using the entire value of Pi and get exact, not approximate results. In the problem you suggested, C=2Pi(3), C cannot be a rational number like you said. However in he problem I suggested x=EI*Pi, there is an exact, integer solution for x. That solution is -1. So it is not true that we always round Pi when we use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 09:04 PM
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No one has ever done a math problem utilizing the actual entirety of Pi. We do this all the time. For instance EI*Pi=-1 utilizes the entirety of Pi.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 06:48 PM
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That's just blasphemy. 3.2 isn't even rounded properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 06:37 AM
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I don't know the answer to your question, but I have my awesome dad to thank for my STEM career. He encouraged me to ask questions and reason my way to an answer. We'd have discussions after dinner about religion, philosophy, and science. I probably wouldn't have been so interested if not for his involvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:16 PM
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I am too. The number of female pharmacists outnumber men now I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:10 PM
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I absolutely agree with you when it comes to men who fit with the MLP or neck-beard stereotype. I absolutely can't stand the justneckbeardthings subreddit or cringepics for this reason. They exist for no other reason but to bully men. However, in this case it is very hard to feel sorry for this man because he justifying violence against other people. To illustrate, you would probably empathize with a women who's boyfriend cheated on her. However, if she made a video on youtube saying that men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 08:51 PM
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So you believe a weaker version of the views expressed by the article?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 01:46 PM
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Do you believe that women are physically incapable of maturing mentally past 18 but that men continue to mature into adulthood? Do you believe that every 30+ year old man on earth is more mature than you? Do you believe that you are no more mature than when you were 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 01:32 PM
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Do you agree with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 06:17 AM
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I dont think they really believe what they are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 10:53 PM
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This is pretty hurtful to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 10:27 PM
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When I call TRP misogynistic, it's generally because of this article on the sidebar. Edit: To clarify, I have no access to what goes on in the heads of individual members of TRP besides the information they present to me. Some of the people I've talked to have never expressed any opinions that are misogynistic, some of them have. I don't believe that being a member of TRP automatically makes you hate women. However, I do think that the article I linked above is misogynistic, and this article has…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/15 08:29 PM
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Maybe it's not that I'm above anyone else, it's just that who I am being is unassailable, and that way of being confers, well, a certain dominance to those situations in which I find myself. It's neither a relative nor a "hierarchical" thing for me. But, by seeing myself as unassailable, very few people feel compelled to try to take me down. It affords me a certain natural respect. Thank you for being patient and trying to explain, but I think this is beyond my understanding. I have never approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/15 01:14 AM
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I don't think so. Qualitatively, I think it's different than feeling superior.... I'll accept your definition, but I'm a little curious why the word dominance is used. Dominance, at least in everyday language, implies some sort of hierarchy or superiority in relation to other people. Why use this word in particular instead of saying that being alpha requires a calm, in control, and adept mindset? Since the words we use already have well established meanings, why not speak in a way that is consis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 10:21 PM
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How do you think female sexual strategy evolved?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 08:17 PM
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Thank you for being so kind. We all could stand to be a little less biased and emotionally invested in the outcomes of these discussions. If you ever want to send any of those studies my way, I'd be happy to read them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 08:57 AM
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Can you clearly define the difference between an Alpha and a Beta for me? My ideas come from a general impression of a variety of viewpoints expressed on TRP, and it seems like everyone has a different idea of what it means to be alpha vs beta. I liked your post on dominance, but it still is a little ambiguous to me what it means to have a dominant mindset and to be in control. Does a dominant mindset mean that person sees themselves as superior to others? I'm sure that's wrong, but it's the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 08:18 AM
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First of all, women on average are shorter than men. So it would be expected that women date men who are taller than them on average. Secondly, that quote is referrring to sex differences in preference, not individual preferences. If the study measured height by itself (which it didn't), this quote might say that men and women date tall people with equal preference. Or maybe that the ratio of male height to female height is the same across genders. I don't know if this is true or not, because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 10:27 PM
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Yet there are many other studies bearing on this question that did not use speed-dating methods. For example, Part 4 of Feingold’s (1990) meta-analysis examined several studies in which participants met and evaluated a live potential romantic partner on a traditional, longer date (e.g., the classic Computer Dance Study; Walster, Aronson, Abrahams, & Rottman, 1966). All of these studies as- sessed physical attractiveness and a measure of romantic liking, and the meta-analysis did not reveal a sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:59 PM
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How is this relevant? I think you missed the point of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:55 PM
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http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louis_Tay/publication/270220807_Gender_Differences_in_Narcissism_A_Meta-Analytic_Review/links/54a5609f0cf257a63608cc84.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:51 PM
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http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louis_Tay/publication/270220807_Gender_Differences_in_Narcissism_A_Meta-Analytic_Review/links/54a5609f0cf257a63608cc84.pdf I don't know if you'll be able to view it or not. I get access to a lot of these sites through my school.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:47 PM
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I can get the original through my school. I just downloaded it in pdf form. If you can figure out how I can send it to you I will. Edit: Maybe this works? http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louis_Tay/publication/270220807_Gender_Differences_in_Narcissism_A_Meta-Analytic_Review/links/54a5609f0cf257a63608cc84.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:34 PM
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I posted a thread awhile back asking for scientific studies in support of TRP. The only requirement was that they had to be published in a scientific journal. Most Red Pillers told me that they didn't base their views on science, but personal experience. The Red Pillers who did post scientific studies, I accepted the conclusions from the studies, even if they were negative towards women. For instance I accept that, 1) partner count matters more for divorce risk for women than it does for men 2) …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:15 PM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I didnt realize how hurtful feminism can be to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 03:33 AM
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Maybe you mean sexual selection? If all of a woman's children die because she chose to mate with a bad provider, then wouldnt this count as evolutionary selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:48 AM
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Even better. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:34 AM
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I've never looked into the the direct correlation of masculine qualities with high testosterone, but that sounds, on it's face, a bit specious (I mean, there are plenty of "alphas" who don't show visible signs of high testosterone, right?) I could be wrong, but I thought that TRP equated alpha qualitites with characteristics associated with high testosterone. (dominance, assertiveness, muscularity, even narcissism at times) They also seem preoccuppied with lifting in part because it increases te…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:33 AM
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I absolutely agree with evolutionary psychology. What I don't agree with is TRP's extrapolations and interpretations of evolutionary pschology. For an example, I agree that women have dual strategies when choosing a mate, maximizing gene quality and finding a good provider for her children. This is consistent with evolutionary psychology. However, TRP goes beyond this to say that women are only sexually aroused by mates possessing qualities that are consistent with the first strategy, but not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 10:06 PM
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Is this exchange of favors one-sided or am I helping him out too?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 07:34 AM
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Now it is my limited understanding and I'm no biologist. There has been several AskReddit or ELI5 thread touching this subject where there was good explanation, if someone is able to find them that'd be great. I found an interesting /r/askscience about this topic here The top comment from the thread: Well, there are three important factors to keep in mind here: 1) The diversity of humans is actually very, very low. This is basically because human migration out of Africa was very recent (starting…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 03:22 AM
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Do you have any female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/15 04:11 AM
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See the okcupid study where they found women judged 80% of okcupid men to be 'below average') Women were harsh when rating attractiveness, but they messaged men with a relatively fair distribution. For men it was opposite. They were fair when they rated women, but then only messaged the top 1/3 of attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 06:14 AM
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Did you mean Astrology? Astronomy is a legitimate science.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 06:09 AM
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Person A says X is a useful idea. Person B says Y is a useful idea. X and Y are contradictory, i.e. they can't both be true. How do we determine which idea is correct? Wouldn't we consult science?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 02:43 AM
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many of the subjects are controversial and won't get funding Can you give an example of a topic that won't get funding because it is too controversial?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 02:40 AM
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If someone was skilled at picking up women, then I would seek his advice if I wanted to pick up women. If I wanted to know the science behind human behavior, I would go to a scientist who studies human behavior. Does that seem reasonable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 02:31 AM
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I initially misinterpreted the aims of the first study, so my prior beliefs about male attractiveness did not apply. The study was an attempt to determine how masculine features such as voice timber, height, girth, masculine facial features, attractiveness (rated by females) and dominance (rated by other men) evolved due to sexual selection. The two possible selective pressures considered were female choice and competition between other males. I found the following results to be very interesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 02:16 AM
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My own experience is not a good source of objective information about the general population. What I observe probably only applies to the small group of people associated with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 08:19 PM
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I will comment on the items from your list that fit my standards given above, i.e. published in a scientific journal, numerous citations, etc... In-group biases for women/men My beliefs before I read the article: I believe in the "women are wonderful" effect. Generally men have a heightened opinion of women. However, I do not believe that the differences in bias between the genders is significant. What I think TRP believes: I'm not sure, but I would guess they would consider women more biased th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 08:10 PM
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Thank you for the list of studies. I picked one article that I thought might contain controversial results, Physical Attractiveness and the “Nice Guy Paradox”: Do Nice Guys Really Finish Last? Before I read the article I wanted to establish my current beliefs so I could judge whether or not my view needed to be changed in light of the study. My belief before reading the article is that the majority of women find qualities such as kindness, generosity, and compassion to be attractive qualities in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 05:01 PM
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First of all, how do you define logical thinking? I want to make sure we are actually talking about the same thing. According to my definition, logical means pertaining to a set of predictable and self-consistent rules and patterns. Perhaps you define it differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:48 PM
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There are some subtleties that I should address. I do not believe that an elevated ability of an individual to think logically translates to their general behavior. An autistic person will be able to think very logically within their particular obsession. They may understand all the rules an mechanisms of trains, for instance. However, we know that this ability does not carry over to human interactions. They have limited functionality when it comes to understanding the rules of human interaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:31 PM
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Systemizing encompasses a wide range of logically based tasks. Here's a definition I pulled from a research site. Systemizing is the drive to analyse or construct a system. A system is anything that follows rules and is thus lawful. It might be a mechanical system (e.g., a machine or a spinning wheel), an abstract system (e.g., number patterns), a natural system (e.g., water flow, or the weather), or a collectible system (e.g., classifying objects such as DVDs by author or toy cars by shape, col…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:49 PM
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Powerkick, I'm on your side, but they are right to say that men have a greater tendency to use logic (systemizing) than women. Source This doesn't mean that every man is more logical than every woman, just that there is a slight difference in the averages between the two. Interestingly, this same study shows that women are more likely to empathize, which is directly counter to OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 06:56 PM
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Based on what? Who has it harder? How do you objectively determine this? Even if you were somehow able to determine that men have it harder, why would this render women's problems irrelevant? I'd like to suggest a more mature approach. Women should listen and empathize with the problems of men. They should error to the side of being overly generous with their empathy. At the same time, women should be grateful for what they have and either tolerate their own problems or attempt to solve them ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:59 PM
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You just proved her point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 04:40 PM
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There's "skills" and there's "biological imperatives" Perhaps we disagree with what is a skill and what's not. I believe mathematics, or computer programming to be a skill. There are certainly people who are naturally good in these areas, but I believe success is more likely a result of hard work than natural talent.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 08:40 PM
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Maybe you misread my comment? This seems to be just what I said. In any case, I disagree that an individual's aspirations should reflect their biologically optimized abilities. Natural ability usually only makes a difference when you are comparing the best of the best. For anything below the top, it is hard work and not talent that determines success. Look at the men on this site for an example. Most are not natural alphas. Perhaps they will never be as successful as a natural. This doesn't mean…
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 08:34 PM
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What do you mean by 'biological destiny'? It seems like you might be saying that if you aren't naturally suited to something, then you shouldn't try to pursue it. Am I understanding you correctly?
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 09:14 AM
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What would you want to do if you didn't have the limitations of being a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 06:10 AM
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The only thing I don't buy is that the dissatisfaction in her relationship arises because of some past hook-up with an alpha. It seems very unlikely that a relatively positive relationship from the past would have an unconscious but profound effect on her 5 or 10 years into the future. Maybe alphas really are that life-changing. I don't know. As it stands I would need some sort of scientific support before I believed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:11 PM
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Certainly women settle in relationships all the time, so I don't think TRP's theories are too far-fetched on this issue. Also, I see the temptation to use this as an explanation for why women file for divorce more often than men. Yet the idea of alpha widows still doesn't resonate with me mostly for the following reason. It's my belief that women usually consider their current relationship to be better than all other previous relationships. This might be what TRP calls hamstering, it might be so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 11:52 PM
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I'm struggling with your comment, not because I disagree, but because I'm failing to see how this is controversial at all. Putting the exact ratios aside, it seems like you are saying that a minority of men are having frequent casual sex. You are also saying that women prefer men who are more attractive when it comes to hook-ups. If this is all your saying, then I completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 10:30 PM
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I searched for the actual study conducted by Susan Walsh and found this blog. It was not an actual study but an analysis of data from CDC. I'm a little confused because the blog I found almost says the opposite of what the article claims. She did not conclude that only 20 percent of men are having 80 percent of the sex. Here are the conclusions listed in her article. I. The numbers do not support the claim that most women have casual sex with impunity through their 20s, then seek a sexually inex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:58 PM
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I tend to agree. This is all speculation, but my theory is that high partner count and divorce do not have a direct causal relationship. Instead they both result from a more fundamental cause, namely poor impulse control. In other words, A causes B, but A also causes C. When you encounter B, you may also find C, but only indirectly. Poor impulse control is A, and the rest should be apparent. The reason why high partner count seems to affect women more than men is due to the balance of perceived …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 07:56 PM
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I've got all the goods on this one. Here is the study commonly linked by TRP. As they state, premarital sex is shown to be linked to divorce in women. There was no data available for men. Here is another study This also seems to partially confirm TRP beliefs. Although it makes no distinction between men and women's partner count and the risk of divorce, it does show some difference in marital satisfaction. Below is the relevant quote. That minority of men and women reported higher marital qualit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 06:00 PM
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Probably the best argument against the red pill would be classical feminism, stripped of it's man-hating, victim-status-seeking, rape-fantasy-indulging bullshit. I imagine it would sound something like this: Evolutionary history has created in humans a species of remarkable complexity and capability. It is split into two genders, which, as in all other animals, have unique traits, and so have traditionally performed different but overlapping rolls. However, evolution is nothing if not efficient,…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/15 08:14 AM
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TRP aims to provide a realistic approach to relationships and dating, which I would love to see actualized. There is certainly a need for an alternative to the common romantic notions about love. TRP has been partially successful in achieving a substitute approach to dating, but in other ways has just introduced another fantasy. My views are summarized below. What I like/agree with: The more realistic and less idealistic approach to relationships is refreshing. TRP gives specific and actionable …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 10:37 PM
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Putting aside the questionable phrasing, the TRP does believe that women do not progress beyond the emotional maturity of a teenager, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 08:12 PM
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I actually have a study on this if you are interested. Edit: facebook and narcissism study Not the biggest sample size, but it's something at least.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/15 01:10 AM
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An educated man has more earning potential and usually belongs to a higher social class.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/15 01:02 AM
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Since this is garnishing some discussion, it might help to read the quoted statement in its context. In the United States, the most recent substantive imbalance in the OSR (operational sex ratio) occurred from 1965 through the 1970s. During this time, there were more women than men looking for marriage partners, which enabled men to better pursue their reproductive preferences. In comparison to other historical periods, these skewed OSRs are characterized by liberal sexual mores (i.e., many shor…
/r/TheRedPill14/01/15 12:49 AM
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Does that answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:07 PM
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Isn't this just conjecture though? It seems strange to me that pre-agricultural societies would have such modern mating practices. I mean it could be possible, but without further evidence I don't see how we could make this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:59 PM
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So you are saying that women were freely able to choose their own mates during the hunter-gatherer period of human history?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 04:35 PM
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So, I may be looking at this wrong, but page the table on page 10 of this seems to suggest that, in 1980, MALE premarital promiscuity had the most detrimental effect on "marital satisfaction." The coefficients in that table suggest that historically female promiscuity had the more detrimental effect on "marital satisfaction,"But in the 1980 study, the extent of the male's sexual history was, on average, 4 times more detrimental to "marital satisfaction" than the female's sexual history. What's y…
/r/TheRedPill13/01/15 04:32 PM
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Genetic studies suggesting that people have twice as many unique female ancestors as male ancestors. And from that, an estimate by Baumeister that about 80% of women who ever lived reproduced, while around 40% of men did. Couldn't this only be evidence of hypergamy if historically women were able to freely choose their own mates?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 07:22 AM
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It does mention sexual history without co-habitation, although not in detail. Many of the remaining covariates were related to marital dissolution. We found that Blacks had higher hazards of marital dissolution than Whites, and in the full model Hispanics had lower hazards of marital instability. The number of noncohabiting sex partners was positively associated with the hazard of marital instability. Premarital fertility was tied to higher levels of marital instability at the zero order, but no…
/r/TheRedPill12/01/15 11:56 PM
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There is a similar but more recent study available here with the full text. Here is the relevant findings, Our work shows that, since the mid-1990s, whether men or women cohabited with their spouse prior to marriage is not related to marital stability. Consistent with a diffusion perspective, our results suggest a reduced effect of cohabitation on marital instability, as cohabitation prior to marriage becomes widespread. Although we found that the simple relationship between premarital cohabitat…
/r/TheRedPill12/01/15 07:55 PM
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I did not go so far as to profiling you. I simply viewed your original comment and a couple others, like they did as well. Comment and submission history is made public by default. I am allowed to look through yours as you are allowed to look through mine. I know that you are allowed to, I'm just surprised that you did. Actually, that's the message of RPW, and it's not because that is what the husband wants. It's because the women on RPW have found out that doing that makes them genuinely happy.…
/r/RedPillWomen12/01/15 08:37 AM
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Your comment and your comment history indicate a general lack of understanding regarding TRP. In actuality, I did not even plan on responding to your comment. Other RPW encouraged me to do so, and after listening to them, I agreed to type up my comment. Frankly, that's a little weird. Why didn't they respond themselves if they had an issue? And why did you go through my post history? Just address the issue instead of trying to profile me. I want to clarify some things. First, I forgot to mention…
/r/RedPillWomen12/01/15 06:15 AM
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I want women to admire men for all of their positive qualities and not discriminate against short men, men with more feminine-facial features, and men with short penis sizes, but guess what--men can't change what women are attracted to and neither can women change what men are attracted to. The fact of the matter is there are a lot of things men and women can change to make themselves more attractive, and a lot of things they can't change. That is just reality, not some 'misogynistic speak.' I a…
/r/RedPillWomen12/01/15 04:21 AM
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Genetic studies have confirmed we are all descended from a vastly wider pool of women than men; even historically a relatively small number of men have gotten all the action. Do you have a source on this? I've been looking for scientific evidence for the 80/20 rule for a long time, but I can't seem to find any.
/r/RedPillWomen12/01/15 12:34 AM
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I'm not calling you out specifically, but I think all these posts about how she should just change her appearance are missing the point a little bit. She is angry that women are valued for something so superficial as appearance, when men get to be admired for their strong character and personal achievements. Everything that women are admired for is relatively easy to accomplish, so as a result women aren't granted the level of respect given to men.
/r/RedPillWomen11/01/15 10:16 PM
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I feel you completely. We want men to admire us for the qualities that we admire in ourselves. It is frustrating to be admired for your shapely breasts instead of your hard-work. According to TRP, the ideal woman is a domestic goddess whose primary purpose in life is to support her husband, but they don't admire these women. No one is interested in what you know 'as a mother' or 'as a wife'. Literally the only requirements to be either of these is a.) be a women and b.) find some guy to mate wit…
/r/RedPillWomen11/01/15 09:51 PM
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I have, but I don't form my opinions solely on information provided by this subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/15 06:35 AM
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From what I've read, they say that the similarities between men and women outweigh the differences, or that environmental and social circumstances are a better predictor of behavior than gender, but not that men and women are exactly the same.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/15 03:09 AM
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Maybe my issue only lies in semantics, but I have a small objection to the idea that critics of TRP deny 'true nature of women'. Saying this implies that TRP presents an objective and scientific description of behavioral trends in women that outsiders reject. I don't think that this is the case. I'm not saying that TRP is telling lies either, just that they present women in a subjective manner from the male perspective. There is some scientific discussion, but it is mostly only used to support s…
/r/TheRedPill10/01/15 06:46 PM
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What now? Thats the end of it. You pursue the truth for the sake of it, not necessarily for how it benefits you. First of all, I am not arguing the truth of the statement. I am only saying that it is not worth discussing on this subreddit. Secondly, putting your personal gender aside, if society adopted the position that men are better than women, wouldn't it be beneficial to the majority of members on this subreddit? Do you think that the OP is genuinely interested in truth for the sake of it o…
/r/askTRP07/01/15 09:56 AM
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What's the point of this line of thinking? Let's say that men are biologically better than women in every possible way. What now? Do you just want to pack yourself on the back for being born an man?
/r/askTRP06/01/15 06:50 PM
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Thanks. I'm not a big fan of dailymail, so I tried finding the original study they referenced. It appears not be available to the public, but I found a summary of the findings from the National Marriage Project here
/r/TheRedPill02/12/14 04:03 AM
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It looks like there is relevant data from this source on table 7.
/r/TheRedPill02/12/14 03:28 AM
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I was just talking about this in another thread, so here are the studies I found on the subject. source 1 source 2 source 3 Sorry for the formatting on the first source, it was the only version I could find not behind a paywall. It has the largest sample size though, so I would recommend reading it over the others. Here's what it said regarding men. The men who divorced early in life were higher in neuroticism and lower in control impulse, less conventional and puritanical in their attitudes, an…
/r/TheRedPill02/12/14 03:21 AM
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Male bonding doesn't appear to be connected with oxytocin from what little I've read about the subject. I could be wrong though, do you have the original article? I don't expect the biology behind bonding to be the same for men and women, so it doesn't surprise me that there is a different in response between the two genders. Although men don't have the same bonding mechanism as women, interestingly enough, multiple past partners also increases their risk of infidelity, marital dissatisfaction, …
/r/TheRedPill02/12/14 02:55 AM
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I don't particularly like to speculate beyond the naked science, but regardless, we both agree that a high partner count increases the odds of divorce. Also, I don't think I was clear with my question, so let me elaborate further. Considering past partner count is useful when you can 1.) accurately identify the sexual histories of prospective spouses and 2.) have a source of non-affected partners available. This may be possible in some circumstances, but is unrealistic in others. TRP holds the v…
/r/TheRedPill02/12/14 02:42 AM
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Yes, I should have included cheating along with marriage. If there are bigger predictors of infidelity/divorce than partner count, shouldn't these predictors be mentioned as well?
/r/TheRedPill01/12/14 05:28 AM
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I know this is off topic, but can you explain TRP's reasoning behind the whole not marrying a slut issue? I've been tempted to make a thread about it, but maybe someone can just answer me here. I understand that marrying someone with a higher partner count increases the risk of divorce, but why is that the only risk factor considered? It is not the biggest predictor of divorce, but it seems to be the only one people focus on. Is there are reason beyond just being disgusted with sluts in general?
/r/TheRedPill01/12/14 04:18 AM
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If you were to take a guess, what percentage of the male population are virgins in comparison to the percentage of female virgins?
/r/TheRedPill30/11/14 02:38 AM
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Read the rest of the survey. Women rated men more harshly, but look at their message distribution. They actually messaged average and below average looking men more often than the most attractive men. For men it was the opposite. They were much more fair when rating women, but were very selective when it came you messaging women. 2/3 of the men messaged only the top 1/3 of women. If you go by behavior instead of ratings, it's actually the exact opposite of what you'd expect.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/14 02:35 AM
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Hey, I'm a current physics PhD student. If this is really what you want to do, maybe I can give you some helpful advice. If you are from America, you don't have to pay any money to get your PhD in physics. Almost every school provides full funding for their PhD graduate students. You'll get your tuition paid for in full, plus health insurance, plus a job as a teaching assistant to cover living expenses. Besides your studies and research, this will be your only job. Also, if you have loans left o…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/14 01:02 AM
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If you decide to watch one of the series or movies based on the book, watch the BBC series No other version quite has the charm of this one. Plus young Collin Firth plays an excellent Mr. Darcy.
/r/RedPillWomen08/11/14 05:13 AM
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TRP is supported by cherry picked evidence from evolutionary psychology. Feminism is supported by cherry picked evidence from social constructivism and whatever else supports their agenda. Which evidence you choose depends on what suits you best.
/r/TheRedPill02/11/14 07:43 AM
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TRP can be great at calling people out when they are in full woe is me mode. However, I think there are a couple of areas in which TRP plays the victim more often than not. You yourself may not have engaged in any of these behaviors, but perhaps you've seen them before. 1.) We've been lied to by society. We have a right to be angry. Everyone has been lied to. You believed it. 2.) Men throughout history has risked his life on the battlefield, engaged in higher risk professions than women, etc.. S…
/r/TheRedPill02/11/14 07:36 AM
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Even TRP and feminism are alike in some ways. Both are a response to some perceived imbalance of power between the genders. They both describe themselves with some neutral and palatable motto, but everyone else sees them as something else. They both make enemies out of the opposing side. They are quick to blame the other group for all the problems in the world, and create ridiculous caricatures of people who disagree with them. They are a haven for those scorned and rejected by the opposite gend…
/r/TheRedPill02/11/14 06:14 AM
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This is an issue where feminists disagree. The anti-prostitution feminists believe that prostitution exploits women. The pro-prostitution feminists believe that prostitution should be a valid career option for women. From Wikipedia, Many feminists, particularly those associated with the sex workers' rights movement or sex-positive feminism, argue that the act of selling sex need not inherently be exploitative; but that attempts to abolish prostitution, and the attitudes that lead to such attempt…
/r/TheRedPill31/10/14 03:44 PM
1

What would be the female equivalence of MGTOW then? A career woman who has no interest in getting married or having kids?
/r/TheRedPill30/10/14 05:27 PM
1

I understand, but wouldn't you agree that what women say they find attractive, and what they actually find attractive are two different things?
/r/TheRedPill27/10/14 07:51 AM
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I think that 1 is definitely true. Women are less likely to take emotional risks, and messaging a very attractive man carries a large potential for rejection. However, I have another alternate theory. Several primary factors in female attraction are non-visual. For an example, women are attracted to the way men make them feel. This is impossible to convey through an online profile. When women say that an average looking man is way below average, they are using their own attraction as a judge. Th…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/14 07:35 AM
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Aren't you cherry picking the comments a little bit? I mean, this is the top comment.. Let's put it another way. You're dating a man who had the courage to recognize he has a problem, the willingness and devotion to control his problem (by removing triggers and learning coping mechanisms), as well as perseverance. A man who has so much trust and comfort in his relationship with you that he opened up and shared something he didn't technically have to, which I think also demonstrates a good level …
/r/TheRedPill26/10/14 07:51 PM
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Did you read the whole article? Look at their actions, not what they say. Although women were more critical in their ratings, they actually messaged men with a fairly normal distribution. In fact, they messaged below average men with greater frequency than above average men. Surprisingly, men were the opposite. They seemed to rate women fairly, but then 2/3 of men only messaged the top 1/3 of women.
/r/TheRedPill26/10/14 07:38 PM
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You are right but for the wrong reason. Mathematically the percentages are possible because if a particular man has multiple sexual partners, he raises the percentage for high partner counts for men, but not for women. For a simple illustrative example, let's say there are 10 men and 10 women on the planet. If only 2 men each have sex with all 10 women, then 20% of the male population has had sex with 10 women, while 0% of the female population has had sex with 10 men. Instead, 100% of the women…
/r/TheRedPill09/10/14 12:55 AM
1

Maybe I missed that part of your argument earlier. So you believe that rape should be charged as battery if physical force is used?
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 10:39 PM
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If we are to hold the same standards universally to all sources, which I believe is necessary for anyone interested in objectivity, then by the same argument we should also dismiss your own self-reported observations.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 10:37 PM
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Why not look at the actual statistics? Why does everyone on this sub claim to be rational and scientific, yet know one cites actual scientific studies? National Health Statistics Report The report is on the sexual activities of 62,199 men and 61,865 women from 2006 to 2008 ages 15 to 44. The data is tabulated starting on page 17, but I will provide some of the total lifetime number of sexual partners below. Percentage of women with no sexual partners, 11.3% Percentage of women with 1 sexual part…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 10:06 PM
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Would you rather have some guy steal your wallet, or sodomize you?
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 09:52 PM
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There is a reason for this, and it would be ridiculous to think that the language used shouldn't matter. If I said that all men are pigs, you would rightly dismiss everything I had to say. I'm clearly biased and not interested in a rational discussion. Now if I said that all men have a strong biological urges to mate with a large number of young women, then you would probably be more likely to agree with me even though in essence it means the same thing as what I said before. The difference is t…
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 11:07 PM
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But that's just the way people judge any group unfortunately. People judge Muslims based on the actions of terrorists and ISIS. People judge feminists based on the rants of some SJW on tumbler. People judge welfare recipients based on the occasional person who exploits the system. I'm not saying this is rational or right, but TRP isn't being singled out here. Any group will be judged not by their most rational or even most common members, but by their most extreme.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 10:41 PM
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She wasn't mad because she doesn't give a fuck about you or what you think. If she was remotely interested in you, then she wouldn't have been playing a game on her phone in the first place.
/r/TheRedPill05/10/14 10:29 PM
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I believe this explains why after 76, women's net impact decreases faster than men's. Women just aren't dying off fast enough. Each year of your life you are either adding or subtracting from the bucket. Once you die, you can't add or take anything away from the bucket, so your cumulative fiscal impact flatlines. However, approaching ages 72-76, men's net impact isn't just flatlining, it's falling off rapidly. It's decreasing so much that even though men have remained ahead of women their whole …
/r/TheRedPill05/10/14 07:10 AM
-1

Feminism encompasses a large amount of different ideas. I disagree with most of them, but which one are you specifically arguing against?
/r/TheRedPill05/10/14 01:31 AM
1

Why does the net cumulative fiscal impact converge for men and women around the ages of 72-76? Do men suddenly have a large amount of medical costs around this time?
/r/TheRedPill05/10/14 01:29 AM
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Do these graphs only include women who work full time throughout their lives, or do they include women who may have left the work force in order to raise children? The popular view on TRP is that women make roughly the same amount as men after career interruptions (to raise kids) are considered. If this is the case, then is the issue that women can't support themselves, or that women can't support themselves and their children?
/r/TheRedPill04/10/14 10:09 PM
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However, the effect of women tending to gravitate towards the top 5% of men is still widely observable. MIT and OKcupid and other dating sites have released data that supports this. Can you provide the source for this? Not that dating sites accurately represent the total population, but the one OK cupid study I read showed the exact opposite. Women rated men much more harshly, but would still pursue a broad range of men of various attractiveness. In fact, less attractive men faired slightly bett…
/r/TheRedPill04/10/14 05:12 PM
1

What are the statistics on spousal cheating? Are women more likely to cheat in a marriage?
/r/TheRedPill03/10/14 03:42 AM
1

You lost me. I don't know what you are trying to say anymore.
/r/TheRedPill03/10/14 03:33 AM
1

An idea to be useful has to be correct in the majority of cases. From an evolutionaly perspective 51% of the time. This is not true in general of course (religions are useful, placebos are useful, etc.), but let's assume that it is true in your case. We could then ask, who must consider an idea useful for it to be true? TRP ideas are useful to you, but are they useful to me? What about the rest of the population? If standard blue pill ideas are useful to someone 51% of a time. does that mean the…
/r/TheRedPill02/10/14 02:10 AM
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I've had a question about this for awhile now. From an evolutionary standpoint, why would men have the biological tendency to be loyal to women? Aren't they driven to sleep with as many women as possible?
/r/TheRedPill02/10/14 01:47 AM
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Originally the question was whether a woman with some skill should pursue it fully or raise children. You then propositioned that it would be better for the human race if this woman was to raise children and not pursue the skill. I then asked if she should do what is best for the human race or pursue her own interests. You agreed (I think) that it would be a wise course of action for her to pursue her own interests. So returning to Occams_Shiv's post, So given that many women possess such potent…
/r/TheRedPill30/09/14 10:10 PM
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Let's accept your premise that living in order to maximize one's own happiness is a wise choice of action. If a particular women decides that pursuing a skill will increase her happiness, then it would follow that pursuing the skill would be a wise choice of action.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/14 03:17 PM
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I want to say that I'm glad TRP was so transformative for you and your wife. I hope you continue to be happy and successful in your relationships. However, in keeping with our discussion, I was hoping for a glimpse of your rational decision making process more so than your personal reasons for subscribing to TRP ideas. You chose to base your beliefs on evolutionary psychology, an idea set that I also respect. How did we end up on opposite sides of the spectrum?
/r/TheRedPill29/09/14 05:33 AM
1

So would you say that TRP is a weak form of biological determinism?
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 07:49 PM
1

That wasn't a conclusion. That is empirical. Then why give an argument? Just say that Blue Pillers are angry at Red Pillers. Blue pillers are angry at red pillers. Do you disagree? I'm saying that this is an ad hominem type argument, and serves no purpose in rational discussion. No, Blue pillers are angry at red pillers, because their own methods do not work. This is a result of red pill theory being true and blue pill theory being false. What argument are you making? Is it... P1: Blue pillers a…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 06:55 PM
1

In historical context, women have been significantly worse at math and science. Today, male and female abilities have converged somewhat. Now it could very well be true that men are naturally better at math and science and always will be, but given the modern and historical trends, why should we assume that we've reached the peak of our abilities? Are the astounding women in math and science just exceptions to the rule, or can the average women hope to operate at the same ability level as a man?
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 06:27 PM
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I also believe in some version of evolutionary psychology. But why do you suscribe to the views of Satoshi Kanazawa specifically?
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 06:14 PM
1

So this appears to be your argument, P1: A theory is true if it is consistent with scientifically collected data P2: A theory is false if it is inconsistent with scientifically collected data or inconsistent with theories that are consistent with scientifically collected data P3: TRP theories are consistent with scientific data P4: BP theories are inconsistent with TRP C: TRP theories are true and BP theories are false You then go to say, P1: BP theories are false P2: People who believe in BP th…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 06:09 PM
1

Early you stated, If your theoretical woman possesses an inheritable talent or skill, wouldn't her best contribution to the human race be to ensure she passes on those traits to her offspring? It would be a far larger waste of potential if she delayed or neglected child-rearing entirely. I believe that you can continue to hold this view without contradiction. However, you would have to additionally believe that a women who chooses to advance some skill instead of reproducing is taking the wise c…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 05:34 PM
1

The source of the data was household interviews, people lie. Yes, they absolutely do. This has been studied. Here.pdf) is a study that asked a series of questions on sexual attitudes and experiences in three different situations. In one of these situations, the participant was connected to a fake lie detector test (bogus pipeline condition). This was compared to a situation in which the questions were asked in front of an interviewer (exposure threat condition) and asked anonymously. Here was th…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 05:25 PM
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Do you then disagree with the general TRP stance that one should be primarily focused on their own happiness and well being?
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 03:43 PM
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Delusion: Blue pillers and feminists cannot accept that their theory does not fit the data. Think of how angry the religious get when you try and debate them on the non-existence of their fantasy. I see this argument alot on TRP. It looks like a form of Bulverism, which is a logical fallacy. In other words, you are making the argument... P1: Opponents of TRP claim that TRP theories are false. P2: Because they cannot accept reality, they claim TRP theories are false. C: TRP theories are true. You…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 04:28 AM
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And the crux of the matter is most people don't want to see things as they are. They do everything possible to avoid reality. It seems you are making the following argument. P1: Opponents of TRP claim that TRP theories are false. P2: Because they don't want to see things as they are, they claim TRP theories are false. C: TRP theories are true. This is a logical fallacy called Bulverism. You assume your position is true, and then use motives to explain why anyone would disagree.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 04:23 AM
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Good post. I do have an argument however. If your theoretical woman possesses an inheritable talent or skill, wouldn't her best contribution to the human race be to ensure she passes on those traits to her offspring? It would be a far larger waste of potential if she delayed or neglected child-rearing entirely. Are people obligated to live their lives in order to do what is best for the human race?
/r/TheRedPill28/09/14 03:34 AM
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I was under the same impression. TRP makes no attempt to be a scientifically accurate theory but instead advertises a useful approach to life. The author of this thread was asking for a scientific argument against TRP ideas, and that's why I brought it up.
/r/TheRedPill27/09/14 11:37 PM
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•Not a single debator brings scientific evidence to the table in order to "refute" TRP I have had the opposite problem. I can't find a Red Pillar to talk science and logic with me. It was my understanding that TRP purposely takes liberties with the truth in order to instill a certain mindset that is pragmatic rather than strictly accurate. Perhaps we should have a discussion? To start, I do not believe that TRP's 80/20 model is scientifically supported. I realize that it is just an estimate, but…
/r/TheRedPill27/09/14 09:57 PM
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I absolutely do not believe that women have it harder than men. You are stuck in a world where women are commonly considered helpless victims and men are the ones at fault. You aren't allowed to complain, because you are a man, and men are supposed to just suck it up. I'm sure it's exhausting, never being able to show any weakness ever. Your life probably is harder than mine on many accounts, and you aren't allowed to talk about it, except here. I probably took what you said too literally. You j…
/r/TheRedPill25/09/14 07:45 PM
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I was interested in your claim of objective analysis. From what you just told me, you made your judgment by considering only a couple things off the top of your head. You also limited your list to only include difficulties for men. I was thinking that objective analysis meant a detailed and exhaustive comparison from a detached standpoint considering both sides. It seems we differ in opinion on what an objective analysis means.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/14 05:43 PM
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Consider the things that make living difficult. Barrier of entry, availability of opportunity, price of failure, work effort required, etc. Compare the typical male experience with the typical female experience. Which of these are more difficult for women and which are more difficult for men? Is this an exhaustive list?
/r/TheRedPill25/09/14 08:08 AM
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Can I ask how you analytically assessed the relatively difficulty in living as a man compared to living as a woman?
/r/TheRedPill24/09/14 06:24 AM
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Who's to say that you aren't doing the same thing?
/r/TheRedPill23/09/14 09:48 PM
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How could you make this sort of judgement? Would you make a list of things that you feel sucks more as a man and then make a list of things that sucks more as a women and whoever had the most wins?
/r/TheRedPill23/09/14 05:32 AM
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Unicorns exist but they only want to date other unicorns. Become the best man that you can be, and you will attract the best women.
/r/TheRedPill19/09/14 07:31 AM
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Read this or not, it is a bit of a rant. I don't know if it applies to your mindset. I used to work at a pharmacy and one of my customers was in a abusive relationship. Her boyfriend was arrested multiple times for hitting her. He didn't slap her or shove her, he would straight up punch her in the face. He would hit her hard enough to break bones. She was in a wheelchair, heavily medicated, and depended on him entirely. Even though her pain killers were prescribed by a doctor, she was extremely …
/r/TheRedPill19/09/14 07:18 AM
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Is there any research that shows that men, but not women, are losing faith in marriage? The only study I could was find conducted among high schoolers, and only the women's opinion of marriage seemed to be decreasing. source
/r/TheRedPill19/09/14 05:56 AM
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I support your right to be disgusted by me.
/r/TheRedPill19/09/14 05:28 AM
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The girl in this thread probably doesn't want to marry you.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/14 11:45 PM
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You are correct. If we started throwing acid on women who cheated, there would probably be a decrease in women cheating. Also, if we started cutting off the hands of people who stole, there would be less theft. If we dismembered the people who raped, there would be less rape. If we beat children for misbehaving, they would be more well behaved. If we whipped people for lying, there would be less lying. Is this what you want? Throw the first stone.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/14 04:12 AM
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Oh ok. I guess we were thinking about different things. There's a theory in philosophy that says if two rationally minded people discuss a topic for long enough, their beliefs will eventually converge. I've been wanting to try this out, but I can't find anyone to discuss a topic with me for an extended period of time.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/14 02:51 AM
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Taking a step away from TRP for a moment, what does it mean to be rational and logical? With any controversial topic, both sides will claim to be rational. Is there anyway to determine the nature of rationality apart from the ideas it characterizes?
/r/TheRedPill08/09/14 02:23 AM
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How do you know this? You have no idea what it is like to be them no more than they have any idea of what it is like to be you.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/14 02:06 AM
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In this case, I would agree with you. However, I don't necessarily think it is hypocritical to withhold details of your sexual history from your partner.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 05:35 PM
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I wasn't trying to justify her lying. I was responding to a specific post that called her actions hypocritical.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 05:06 PM
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What about it? I wasn't justifying dishonesty. I just don't see her as hypocritical.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 07:38 AM
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Ok. Have a good evening then.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 06:19 AM
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I agree that she should have been honest, but I don't think she was necessarily being hypocritical. There are certain cases in which sharing personal information incites judgment. People will judge you if you tell them you are a redpiller, a scientologist, an atheist, a republican, a virgin, divorced, or watch anime. You may or may not actually be ashamed of any of these things, but knowing that people will judge you for them can prompt you to hold your tongue or even lie.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 05:56 AM
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No question, people can be hypocritical, hold contradictory views, and lie about their true values. This might even be the case with the girl in this post. You are of course free to draw your own conclusions, but it seems like she could possibly be dishonest about her partner count out of fear of judgement, even if she is not personally ashamed of her actions. I don't know. I don't know the girl, and I can't even read the original post any more. Edit: I found the original post and she says she i…
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 05:44 AM
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Do you then see how someone could hold back certain information about themselves, not because they believe it is wrong, but because they want to avoid certain negative reactions?
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 04:50 AM
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Do you tell everyone that you are a redpiller?
/r/TheRedPill01/09/14 04:33 AM
1

Data is tabulated starting around page 17. National Health Statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/14 06:02 AM
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This post is a stupid idea.
/r/askTRP18/08/14 07:17 AM
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The important factors seem to be whether or not the spouse has their own money, and if they had children. Chris Judd got 14 million from his divorce from Jennifer Lopez for less than one year of marriage. Halle Barry has to pay $16,000 per month plus $200,000 per year to her boyfriend Gabriel Aubrey. Madonna had to pay Guy Ritchie $76 million. In all of these cases, children were involved.
/r/TheRedPill17/08/14 04:44 PM
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Here is the actual statistics if anyone is interested. Results are tabulated starting on page 17. Here's a summary. •Percentage of women with no sexual partners, 11.3% •Percentage of women with 1 sexual partner, 22.2% • Percentage of women with 2 sexual partners, 10.7% •Percentage of women with 3-6 sexual partners, 31.6% •Percentage of women with 7-14 sexual partners, 16% •Percentage of women with 15+ sexual partners, 9.2% •Percentage of men with no sexual partners, 11.4% • Percentage of men wit…
/r/askTRP14/08/14 01:13 AM
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Is the education just as good? At my school, I'd often hear students talking about opting to take courses at a community college because it was easier.
/r/RedPillWomen13/08/14 11:07 PM
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Perhaps you mean command respect. Kim Jong-il demands respect. Bill Gates commands it. Respect comes from working hard, pursuing your goals passionately, and being an outstanding, admirable human being. If you do this, you will garnish respect from most people without needing to ask for it. Reacting to someone who is trying to incite you into an argument or push your buttons will only win you more disdain.
/r/TheRedPill12/08/14 08:14 AM
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If you have to demand respect, you've lost it already.
/r/TheRedPill12/08/14 06:35 AM
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In that case, then sure. If it doesn't limit her options, I don't see why not.
/r/RedPillWomen11/08/14 10:43 PM
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I would agree with you if the chances are high that she will get married and have kids relatively soon. However, I would hesitate to bank on finding a husband to support you. She could potentially make a lot more money with a wisely chosen bachelor's degree with an employable skill vs. an associates from a community college. She is also only 18, and at that age I think it is better not to limit your options so early. Students loan are definitely a drawback. Without knowing the details of her sit…
/r/RedPillWomen11/08/14 05:15 PM
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I didn't think the metaphor applied, but I see now that it was a bad comment on my part.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 04:59 PM
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I understand your point, but this implies that women are victims in a hookup. You aren't trying to trick a woman into swallowing your bait.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 03:46 AM
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At a bare minimum, let's say it takes her 1 year to find a compatible boyfriend, then she dates him for 2 years before they get married. They are married for a year before they have kids. This is 1+2+1=4 years, enough time to get her BA. I agree that an associates would be better than nothing, but there is no reason that she can't finish her bachelor's degree now. Once she is married with the responsibilities of children, it will be difficult for her to return to school. Now is the optimal time …
/r/RedPillWomen10/08/14 08:32 PM
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She's only 18. Why not get a full bachelor's degree now? She'll only be 22-23 when she graduates, plenty of time to have kids.
/r/RedPillWomen10/08/14 05:40 AM
1

Let's say I was your friend, and I had a hard time managing my anger. I was so angry that sometimes I felt like hurting others or myself. What advice would you give me?
/r/TheRedPill23/07/14 07:42 PM
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That's merely an attempt to PC whitewash by providing a more palatable reason. Women frequently have one-night stands and drunken sex with strangers, it's a bit naive to suggest otherwise. I didn't say that women don't have one-night stands. I said that when it comes to solicitation of sex by strangers, men are more likely to accept the offer. I'm surprised that you don't agree with me on this. Since we are in a thread about intellectual honesty, here's a couple of scholarly article excerpts and…
/r/TheRedPill23/07/14 07:34 PM
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I will respond to the rest of your post later, I'm a little busy with work today and want to take my time writing out a response. However, I do want to reply to one of your points now. Which is exactly what your statistics show (Pages 18 & 19 respectively). Number of men with only 1 sexual partner in the past 12 months: 62.7% Number of women with only 1 sexual partner in the past 12 months: 22.5% Fully two-thirds of men are only having sex with one woman in an extended relationship, whereas not …
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 06:55 PM
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A man will pursue less attractive targets if the barrier of entry is low. A popular post on the bodybuilding forums demonstrated this vividly; fake profiles with the least attractive, most obese women were created. These women were able to successfully solicit sex from men who were well above average looking. I would say that this is more do to women being less likely to accept an offer of sex from a stranger. The inverse is not true. You could never, ever engineer the reverse example of the abo…
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 04:56 PM
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Thanks, I found my answer elsewhere.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 04:37 AM
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False equivalence. Men are not hypergamous, not to the extent that women are. A man who is a 9 may sleep with a 5 simply because of convenience. The inverse does not occur. Can you explain why you don't think the inverse occurs? A man who would prefer to date a 10, but sleeps with a 5, does so because a only a 5 is available to him, at least at that time. In other words, there are other factors that influence his behavior besides just his preference. Likewise a women might prefer to date a 10, b…
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 04:35 AM
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You are trying to learn from your past and take agency of your life. That is an excellent attitude to have. I don't think that many people could come from your hardships with the same productive attitude. Rightfully, you are hurt and angry, but you realize that the only person who can change your life for the better is you. I also think that eventually, you will get over the anger and hurt. People are what they are. They make mistakes. They can be selfish, stupid, and even cruel. But you will be…
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 02:21 AM
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I agree with you up until the last paragraph. The language used in this sub has negative connotations to the general population. It is fair to infer hatred, if the language used is commonly used to convey distain. For instance if I were to say that 90% of men are pigs, then you could fairly assume that I dislike men. However, if I were to say that most men are motivated strongly by sex, the negative connotation disappears. In the same way, saying most women are sluts, is different from saying th…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 07:26 PM
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Think about ten years ago and how different your life was from today. Ten years in the future and your life will be completely different again. You can get through this. I know that I am just a random internet person, but I believe in you.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 06:48 PM
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How can you be unwittingly cuckolded and how is this the natural outcome of women's hypergamy?
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 06:36 PM
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I admit that women are generally more selective than men, but since there are multiple influences when it comes to selecting a mate (availability, family influence, context, previous relationships...) there is no direct translation from preference into actual mate selection. It only seems that hypergamy is dangerous, because when it is discussed on this subreddit it is taken out of context apart from other factors. This exaggerates it's power. For an example, men prefer to date young, attractive…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 06:34 PM
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Cool, can you provide the source of the study?
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 05:35 PM
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TRP is pretty good at giving detailed, actionable advice in general. Outside TRP I have heard the 'romantic gestures' suggestion, but I've also often heard that in order to keep the relationship healthy you should continue to try an attract your mate like when you were dating. This seems almost exactly what TRP advises, although admittedly TRP is more specific.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 08:19 AM
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I don't understand why hypergamy is considered a negative thing. Could you explain?
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 07:38 AM
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What is the difference between the ideas you just expressed here and the commonly accepted belief that you need to continually put effort into a LTR to keep the love alive?
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 07:31 AM
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I think the point of the post is to consider whether statements just as 'the vast majority of women are sluts' is backed by scientific evidence, or simply believed as a result of the biases we are all are prone to. Changing 'all women' to '90% of women' doesn't affect op's argument at all.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 06:54 AM
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I read some of your past posts, not to snoop, but to get a better idea of where you are coming from. You've been through alot. Based on your past experiences, you are probably justified in your pessimistic views on women. I don't know what else to say to you, but I hope your cars continue to make you happy, and you are able to make the changes in your life that you want.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/14 11:44 PM
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Fair enough. I don't think yours is the best strategy for a couple of reasons, but I hope it works out for you.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/14 05:36 PM
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What you described is typical cheating behavior, not hypergamy. People rationalize their bad actions to make themselves feel or look better. Humans do this in general, it is not specific to women. Men who cheat also rationalize it to themselves. But even if we wildly disagree on the reason, it seems like we agree on the conclusion. There is nothing morally wrong with hypergamy or riding the cock carousel.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 04:52 PM
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Regarding hypergamy, I'm still not seeing the deceit. When you enter into a relationship, short or long term, both parties realize that the other member can leave the relationship at any time for any reason. This is how it should be, no? Regarding the cock carousel, perhaps women lie about their partner count, but that is a separate behavior from sleeping around. One doesn't necessitate the other. It also is a bit circular. Riding the cocks is looked down upon because women lie about it, but wom…
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 10:07 AM
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Can you explain to me how hypergamy and riding the cock carousel is duplicitous?
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 08:58 AM
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If it's just an anger phase, then I understand. It gets rehashed here so often that I perhaps wrongly assumed it was part of TRP theory.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 08:26 AM
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I'm having a hard time following your reasoning. 'Be yourself' is a repeated mantra in general society. It's not specific to women or any particular group in general, it's just a stupid thing that people say. Everyone has heard bad information over the course of their lives. This isn't a reason to be angry, but a reason to be discerning.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 08:10 AM
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Thanks for answering. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm not seeing the deception. Sure 'be yourself' is god awful advice. So is most of the romantic platitudes that get repeated almost mechanically. However bad or wrong information is not equivalent to deceptive information. No one is intending to trick you, at least consciously.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 07:30 AM
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It's inconsistent though. If hypergamy falls in the set of behaviors that is called sexual strategy, and sexual strategy is ammoral, then hypergamy is ammoral.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 09:30 PM
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This is something that has always confused me about this sub. Hypergamy and riding the cock carousel are looked down upon. The general attitude is that women should feel bad about this behavior. However, this seems to directly contradict with the simultaneous viewpoint here that sexual strategy is ammoral. If a women's sexual strategy is hypergamy, why should she feel guilty for an ammoral behavior?
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 07:50 PM
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I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience with women. Even though I can't relate to your narrative, I can empathize with being frustrated at an imperfect world. That being said, your experiences have no more weight in an argument than mine do. I could tell you how I've never rode the cock carousel and... blah, blah no one cares anyways. I could say that obviously not all women are looking for Alpha fux Beta bux, and this would contribute nothing meaningful to the discussion. The only way w…
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 09:10 AM
1

. But your kind can't hate the game, since your kind created it. You are essentially saying that people unvoluntarily belonging to a certain group inherit responsibility for the actions committed by other members of the same group. Is this correct? Want RP men to go away? Tell promiscuous whores to stop fucking us on the second date, to abandon feminism and "sexual empowerment", stop racking up cock counts into the 20s or 40s, and go back to acting like "ladies" again, who are worthy of a good m…
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 05:23 AM
1

Are you arguing that since you didn't cause the original cultural shift, that you are removed from responsibility?
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 04:28 AM
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How are you not also responsible?
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 04:05 AM
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Thanks for sharing this. It's amazing how someone as brilliant as Feynman could be so unrational in other areas of his life. Humans can be so contradictory.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/14 02:08 AM
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One of my professors had the same advisor as Richard Feynman and worked with him on a couple of projects. Several of us students were so excited to find this out. Feynman was our hero and it was awesome to have this connection to him, even though it was indirect. We went to the professor's office to ask him for stories. 'Feynman,' he said, 'was an asshole.' And that's all he told us, other than some details about the projects they had worked on together.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 07:29 PM
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Well, if you're going to deny sources, then I suppose we have nothing left to talk about. What do you define as a "scholarly source"? I didn't deny a source, you simply didn't provide one. A scholarly source is one published in a recognized academic journal or article and peer reviewed. You can try searching google scholar. I'd even take wikipedia. Secondly, I never said that homosexuality was the corrupting force behind the fall of Rome; I said it was the "free sex" mindset of the population th…
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 07:37 AM
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Do some research, dear. Acceptance of homosexuality, "free love", liberal adoption of sexual behavior were all at the forefront of Rome being conquered. Rome ran out of shit to be threatened by, so they turned within to find "struggles". I found plenty of Christian ant- gay marriage websites that repeated your claim but nothing from a scholarly source. Homosexuality was around since ancient Greece. If it took that long to corrupt society than I think we are safe for another 700 years. You have t…
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 07:08 AM
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So you believe that women having casual sex with multiple men will lead to the downfall of western society, but you figure, hey, I might as well take advantage of the situation. Fine, but then you are enabling the very behavior that contributes this cultural rot. You are an equal participant, and equally responsible. If you don' t like it then don't enable it. to the downfall of western society, as it did in the latter throes of ancient Rome. What? Where are you getting this from? Are you talkin…
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 06:35 AM
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You get to fuck sluts, sluts get to do whatever they want, and no babies are born. Everybody's happy. So what's the problem?
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 05:42 AM
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I am completely flabergasted by this thread. You and I come from different universes my friend.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 03:13 AM
1

What do you mean by 'pushing the homo lifestyle on men'? Do you just mean unwanted exposure to gay people?
/r/TheRedPill16/07/14 02:12 AM
1

I would like to see a source on this as well.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 04:06 PM
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There is a vocal minority of men who claim they cannot find a partner, and a vocal minority of women who claim they cannot find a good partner. It is anecdotal evidence at best, but it might be interesting to study. You've definitely opened up my mind to the possibility. Thanks for the chat!
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 05:17 PM
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Or maybe there is roughly the same normal weight distribution that reflects the rest of the population?
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 04:32 PM
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According this study women find promiscuity as a highly undesirable trait in potential partners, even for short term relationships. On a scale of -3 being extremely undesirable and +3 being extremely desirable, women ranked promiscuity at -1.28 in short term mates and -2.15 in long term mates. Compare this to men who ranked it at .36 in short term mates and -.99 in long term mates.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 08:31 AM
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Go to grad school, there are plenty of passionate women there.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 08:08 AM
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The study does attempt to address this by combining an average upwards mobility over the different categories for each gender. Indeed, this average is the one correlated to GGI. I looked at the data again, and you are right. Women do have stronger preferences than men on average in all cases except housekeeping and chastity. However, there is still no simple relationship between partner preferences and actual partner choice. Many factors come into play when it comes to choosing a partner (availa…
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 07:53 AM
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I'm going to bed in a minute, but if you want to discuss it further tomorrow I'd love to. Great! One of the most interesting results is the application of computability theory to grammar - essentially, as grammar is a form of logic, all languages that can fully be described by a grammar consist of computable functions. This intuitively makes sense since grammar consists of a finite set of rules. It's interesting to think of logic in such a different context. Normally we think of logic as a sort …
/r/askTRP08/07/14 07:47 AM
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Excellent article. I wasn't aware that the differences between mate preferences were so heavily correlated with gender equality. Regarding your point, I don't disagree with your claim that women prefer men of higher social status. This is mostly because it seems natural to want to date upwards. However, I don't think this is an effective argument for the existence of a pool of 'bottom feeding' men and a pool of high value women on top. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the results of the study, or mis…
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 11:11 PM
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I am a linguistics student (computational linguistics, but human communication is still a very important part of my field) Linguistics is an incredibly interesting field. I have to say that I'm a little jealous of your background. If you have the time and interest, I'd love to hear your insight on Gödel's incompleteness theorem, Turing's ideas on computability, or Wittgenstein's theory of language games from the standpoint of computational linguistics. It doesn't help that TRP already uses a ver…
/r/askTRP07/07/14 09:19 PM
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This is a very good reason to always remain humble in your beliefs. I also think we are incredibly biased against language systems other than our own. By language systems I don't mean english, french, etc, but the terminology and word relationships that a particular world view is prone to use. For an example, take TRP. If you ask any Red Pill member, they will say that their group is about self-improvement and finding a realistic approach towards relationships. I don't think they are lying. Howe…
/r/askTRP07/07/14 07:27 PM
1

This is true for women though too, right? There are men at the bottom, but also plenty of extremely unattractive, desperate women as well. I'm not necessarily arguing, just trying to understand.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 07:07 PM
1

I feel bad for those people, but from what you are saying, they aren't 'involuntarily celibate'. There may be no good options, but there are still options. They can either improve themselves or settle.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 06:47 PM
1

I don't know. There are a lot of desperate women out there.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 06:41 PM
1

You can raise your SMV though right? It isn't a fixed thing.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 06:37 PM
1

Excellent list, I'm saving that for later.
/r/askTRP07/07/14 09:22 AM
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Even with less attractive/chubby women? I mean I understand that most people would like to marry a super model, but that's not really feasible for everyone. It's not that they don't have opportunity, they just don't like their options.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 09:10 AM
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Honest question here. It seems to me that the problem incel men face is one of standards and not availability of women. If they lowered their expectations a bit to someone more on their SMV, wouldn't they be able to have sex?
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 08:51 AM
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The link you posted just seems an anecdotal story taken from an impromptu classroom observation and posted on a site called 'Alpha Game'. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not exactly scientific. Humans are notoriously biased when it comes to interpreting their own experiences, and anecdotal evidence is well known to be unreliable. People are free to believe what works for them, but it is irrational to take personal experience as truth. You are free to form your own opinions on the subject, but …
/r/askTRP07/07/14 05:29 AM
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, but the author goes well beyond the observation that women react and are motivated differently. It is very apparent in his tone that inequality does not simply mean different, but that men are better than women. Take for instance the following statements. " they (women) themselves are childish, and foolish, and shortsighted – in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, " Just as children are not equ…
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 06:11 PM
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Most of the studies you linked did not use a working definition of Emotional Intelligence that necessarily included a component of self-regulation. You presented them as if they did. That is misleading. I presented the studies as tests of emotional intelligence because emotional intelligence is generally defined to include the trait of emotional management. I never used the term 'emotional regulation' until someone specifically asked for studies that specifically tested for self regulation. I th…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 07:41 PM
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Hey, thanks for being so objective. The biggest hurdle appears to be even defining what we mean by "emotional maturity". Yeah, I'm open to ideas on this one. I'm still not sure how emotional maturity and emotional intelligence differ. When I look up the definitions there seems to be a lot of overlap. If Schopenhauer had to make the observations he made today, he would have been kicked out of the world of academia in a heartbeat, because such statements do not chime with the spirit of equality. I…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:24 PM
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I don't particularly like self-reported studies either. Truly promiscuous men, ones that have large numbers of unique partners understand the snowball effect that occurs when women have to have you because they know other women have. Hey if that's you, then I'm glad its working out for you!
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:00 PM
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Thanks for your important contribution but this discussion needs to be in another place rather than hijacking this thread. Sure, where would you suggest? The Red Pill does not claim to be based on extensive scientific testing and experimentation. My mistake then. I thought that the TRP theory identifies as rational, scientific, and open to discussion. If that's not true, then I have no reason to be here. your personality studies purporting to show women are more emotionally mature than men I don…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 05:43 PM
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most of which weren't even remotely related to the topic of discussion The topic was the emotional maturity of women after adolescence. Every study I linked test emotional intelligence, general defined as "a set of skills hypothesized to contribute to the accurate appraisal and expression of emotion in oneself and others, the effective regulation of emotion in self an others, and the use of feelings to motive, plan, and achieve in one's life" source I don't see how you can say that this is not r…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 05:34 PM
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I only gave a couple examples, because I linked the article I took the results from. I was avoiding posting walls of text. If you would just skim through the article, several of the studies included emotional management, not just two. But if you'd like to accuse me of dishonesty, that's fine. I don't know what I did to cause you to be so hostile towards me, but take care and thanks for the discussion while it lasted.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 04:03 PM
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The studies are quite complicated and I wanted to avoid posting walls of text. In addition, many of them are in pdf form, so I would have to manually type it out. I didn't think it was necessary to provide context, since I provided the sources, and anyone could freely skim though the articles if they wanted. But anyways, here's the details of one self-regulatory test given in this source The trial structure was identical to several previous investigations of cognitive reappraisal (e.g. Ochsner e…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 03:49 PM
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You replied to someone who was asking one of our members a direct question He was asking for scientific papers on the topic, no one was giving him any, so I gave him a couple links I had on the topic. He thanked me afterwards. No one was upset about this but you. And you later admitted in another comment that your linked has nothing to do with the topic of discussion: No I didn't? You also went on to misrepresent the researchers' definition of Emotional Intelligence (EQ) by conflating it with th…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 03:08 PM
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You mean regulation of emotions? There were no significant gender differences in the two emotion regulation strategies. We also tested for the possible effects of class level (using ANCOVAS to control for age and gender) on the two emotion regulation strategies and the five branches of trait EI, but we did not observe any significant differences. source Here's another study on emotion regulation source When gender was included as a predictor in our model, we did not observe any significant main …
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 03:00 PM
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I know that emotional intelligence covers a broad range of traits, but I didn't think it was necessary to define it separately for each study. But since you asked, here are a couple, Study done by Saranya and Velayudhan (2008) among 30 male and 30 female, university students regarding gender differences in emotional intelligence revealed that there exists no significant difference in self awareness, self regulation, social awareness and social skills among day scholars boys and girls. There exis…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 02:22 PM
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I wasn't posing as a member of TRP.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 01:00 PM
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Not trolling, just here to find out if TRP is open for discussion. If people don't want me in this sub, I'll leave. No hard feelings.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 12:36 PM
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Men scored higher in several of the studies I linked.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 12:33 PM
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I'm not arguing that men and women have different responses to stress. I agree with you there. The article in the sidebar states that women do not emotionally mature past adolescence. Nothing in your link said anything about women's responses being emotionally less mature then men's. Consistent with hypotheses, women reported and expressed greater sad and anxious emotion than men following stress, even though they experienced equal (for HR, SBP) or lower (for DBP) physiological arousal than men.…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 12:30 PM
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You quoted several studies below but none of them address the question of whether or not women respond positively to being treated like children. I think the burden of proof lies with you on this one. I doubt that any scientific study has tried to test whether or not women prefer to be treated like children.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 11:42 AM
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If you read the studies linked, the two terms are either used synonymously or there is a large overlap between the two definitions. Here's a couple of excerpts from the actual studies that seem to indicate the two terms are used in conjunction. Tatawadi (2009) have studied the differences in emotional maturity among male and female students studying in a management school. The results revealed that the females are emotionally stronger than the males. (pg. 10) The results showed that mean scores …
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 11:28 AM
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An exaggeration of the truth is still a lie though. Why make a theory with 'some truth to it'? Why not just make it all the truth in it's entirety? Nothing added, nothing taken away.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 10:59 AM
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Believe what you like, but the sources linked in the sidebar are not scientific studies. There is no evidence that women stop maturing emotionally after a certain age. See for yourself if you'd like. This study tested several aspects of emotional intelligence in adults ages 19 to 66. This is after adolescence so men should be pulling out ahead right? Well the researchers found no significant difference between the emotional intelligence of each gender, except in one aspect, emotional management.…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 10:39 AM
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Hey if it works for you then who am I to say otherwise, right?
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 10:16 AM
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Hey, I really hope you find happiness and achieve everything you want from life. I don't think anyone has a problem with that part of TRP's message. The problem people have with TRP are messages like 'treat women like children'. For an example, taken directly from sidebar material, " they (women) themselves are childish, and foolish, and shortsighted – in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, " Just as children are not equal to adults, me…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 08:49 AM
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True, the article wasn't clear if it was referring to short term or long term sexual relationships. Here's an actual scientific article, not a snippet from Marie Claire, that suggests that women find promiscuity in men to be undesirable even in short term relationships, even more so than men find promiscuous women to be unattractive. To quote the article, The same sample of 42 men and 44 women evaluated short-term mates using a rating scale from -3 (extremely undesirable) to 3 (extremely desirab…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:42 AM
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No problem. Thank you for asking questions.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:17 AM
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I have no idea if this article is credible or not since it did not provide its source. However, On the flipside, men who had five relationships or more were deemed unattractive This suggests that larger number of sexual partners does not equal a higher SMV for men.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 06:04 AM
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Since no one is giving you any supporting evidence, let me link you some studies that suggest otherwise. The ability to perceive, control, and evaluate emotions, also called emotional intelligence source has been widely tested across genders. Here are the results of numerous cross-cultural studies taken from this source I didn't include the studies on adolescents since TRP generally concedes that adolescent girls have a higher IE. Thingujam and Ram (2000)- Women scored significantly higher Nasar…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/14 05:24 AM
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There are a couple things about your post that I'm a little skeptical about. I hear the narrative often, so if you don't mind perhaps you could explain a few things for me. Whereas a man would be previously deemed "charming" for attempting to woo his sweetheart through frequent contact or serenading at her window, such behaviour is now viewed as harassment, leading to a restraining-order. If such advances are unwanted and clearly indicated as such, wouldn't it be harassment? Whereas a boy might …
/r/TheRedPill02/07/14 02:39 AM
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Yeah thanks for the discussion. I appreciate it when people can see the logic behind the words. There is one more thing that I'd like to clear up. This is actually the whole point of my post. If you are in agreement with the OP's argument, at least the version you described in your post, and you agree that the same argument can be applied to race, then does that mean that you also accept the conclusion? In other words, if an argument has true premises and sound logic, then its conclusion must ne…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 11:12 PM
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So if you agree that OP's argument flawed when it comes to black people, would you allow that it might also be flawed when the exact same logic is applied to women?
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 10:19 PM
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I don't know. I withhold judgement. Same here. In lack of clear evidence, I think it is better to believe nothing at all.
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 06:03 PM
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im not one to cry racism but I disagree with your assessment. You can make the argument that a lot of CEOs are doing a piss poor job. Or are more of a figurehead while underlings make the big calls CEO signs off on. I think its more a lack of opportunity than anything else. So you disagree with OP's opinion that better leaders become CEO's? I think in most things minorities are given a fair shake and most of us average people don't really care about skin color. I think at higher levels of busine…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 05:55 PM
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For all we know, there is predispositions in genetics that are connected to phenotypes. However, the default position of science is skepticism; I'll believe it when there's some reliable data which shows this. Personally I don't even care if the differences of men and women are cultural or genetic, I just want to know how to deal with women. I have absolutely no problem with this viewpoint. Please note that I am only using race to point out problems I have with OP's logic.
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 05:52 PM
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I would add one more critical point to his argument. After saying that X people who are more A tend to seek jobs or fair well in jobs that require A, he goes on to that therefore X should assume jobs that require A. The man SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OF THE RELATIONSHIP. The man of the relationship should have the power. And my issue is that I still think this logic would apply to race. For instance, Conditions exist that cause Asians to be more short People who tend to be short tend not to seek or fa…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 05:45 PM
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Then it seems like you agree that OP's logic is flawed, even is you still agree with his conclusion. You would agree with me that the percentage of people X that exhibit behavior Y, does not necessarily mean that X has a biological predisposition to exhibit behavior Y. At the vary lesast, other factors must be considered before that conclusion can be made. Is this correct? (Going to bed so I'll check your response tomorrow)
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 08:15 AM
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Yes, you are still missing something. Women are not minorities. Your premise is wrong and therefore the whole argument fails. Apples to oranges, as it were. Fair enough, I conceded this point in a separate reply. You assume that A = B, but A absolutely does not = B in this case. The reality is: A doesn't occupy desired numbers in job X because of L, B doesn't occupy expected numbers in job X because of M I completely agree. It wasn't my own argument, but the argument I interpreted from the origi…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 07:52 AM
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But my retort - Nelson Mandela, Genghis Khan, Ghandi - All not white. Within non-white countries there are leaders who are just as much the equals of white leaders. I hazard to guess that in China 0.0% of CEO's and Leaders are black OR white, for obvious reasons--there are no whites or blacks in China (of any numbers). Even in America we have Martin Luther King Jr. and Obama. Alright, I see what your saying. Minorities are only a fraction of the total population, so it makes sense that they woul…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 07:43 AM
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I'm not sure how this applies. I'll accept what you say is true for the sake of argument, but then how does that relate to the topic of who should assume leadership roles? Strictly following OP's logic though, I don't see how you can avoid the conclusion I made. To repeat his argument, This tenet of evolutionary theory has developed the human race over the last 10,000 years. When, ever, has there been a society ruled by women that has lasted? Women simply are not developed to wield power and the…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 07:05 AM
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How many CEOs are male? How many presidents are male? How many members of congress are male? Don't be fooled by feminists, this is not the result of a social construct. This is a fact that is GLOBAL in scale, deeply rooted in human biology. I'm not trying to insight a war here. I really would like a reasonable discussion on TRP. If this is not the place to do this, then let me know and I'll try elsewhere. However, if you agree with the logic of the OP's post, then it seems in order to be logical…
/r/TheRedPill01/07/14 05:59 AM
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Ah ok. I'm glad we agree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 10:07 PM
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I agree that the consensus in the scientific community seems to be that genetics and environment interact in a complex fashion to produce behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 08:50 PM
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I watched about 15 minutes of the first and last videos you linked. If you feel I missed something important just let me know. First of all, I want to say that I'm uncertain as to why most women choose not to go into the hard sciences. In that respect, I agree with TRP that social inequality is not the reason that women choose not to become engineers or scientists. Although it may have a subtle effect, there doesn't seem to be evidence supporting inequality as a primary factor. However, I also d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 08:43 PM
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If emotional intelligence is defined as the awareness and interpretation of emotions, as well as the ability to use them to act in a rational and conductive manner, then wouldn't this be the exact opposite of typical teenage behavior? If so, then how can TRP theory claim that women, almost exclusively, behave like teenagers well into their adulthood. This seems to be undeniably refuted by the studies listed above. Also, the logic vs. emotions dichotomy isn't a real dichotomy. I used to think lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 03:23 AM
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It's my understanding that TRP believes that adolescent girls have a higher emotional intelligence than boys up to a certain age, but after that women stop maturely emotionally. This was in one of the required readings on the sidebar. I'm not sure if TRP claims its doctrines to be scientifically supported or not, but I would like to cite some studies related to this issue. The ability to perceive, control, and evaluate emotions, also called emotional intelligence source has been widely tested ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 07:02 PM
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At my school we have several mom scientists. I don't know your definition of high-achieving, but they lead their own research teams and get paid to do science. There is hope for your little girl!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 08:10 PM
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