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revbobdobbs/r/seduction22/01/12 10:44 AM
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revbobdobbs/r/seduction13/01/12 02:15 PM
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revbobdobbs/r/seduction27/04/12 02:43 AM
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Dont read too much into it. Do it because it's fun. Not because of her. Chances are that she might just be boring.
/r/seduction08/08/12 03:51 AM
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If she is cute and fun but not getting guys, then she is cockblocking herself.
/r/seduction01/08/12 10:07 PM
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"She's hot. Have you ever seduced a woman with a guy before?"... proceed to direct her.
/r/seduction27/07/12 06:45 AM
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First and foremost, have fun. mack on the girlies as much as you want, but don't get too attached to outcomes. Be there because you enjoy the music. I very much doubt that you will want to feel like crap afterwards because you didn't connect with any women. So I reccomend making connecting with women a lower priority then just enjoying the festival.
/r/seduction27/07/12 06:42 AM
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It's one of the oldest "schools" of seduction. Created by Ross Jeffries, a creepy old man. The idea is to use hypnotic techniques to seduce. Like conversation hypnosis, which employes eriksonian commands.
/r/seduction27/07/12 06:35 AM
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Salsa is great for a lot of reasons. One thing is that you have to learn to physically lead. And it's something that can't really be taught. You can learn moves, but you have to find it within yourself to confidently lead. Also, it gets you used to woman's bodies. You usually have to be a lot closer to women then you normally would be day-to-day. And closer then most anglo-european types are used to being. In my anglocentric countries, people will look at salsa dancers and see intimicacy. It's n…
/r/seduction21/07/12 03:33 PM
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I don't really buy the line about love coming to you when you are doing the thing that you love. That just sounds like believing in magic. And magic doesn't exist. The times when I've found great girls that I've created great relationships with, have been the times when I've put work into getting girls. It just so happens that the stuff I love doing is really unsocial and girls aren't interested in it. The more I get into my passion, the more I lose my social skills. ie, the more unnattractive I…
/r/seduction11/07/12 09:36 AM
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As a result of this, a casual "are you down for a threesome?" can blow up into "Georgieorgy and his wife are sexual deviants - stay away from them!" And you should care about this why?
/r/seduction11/07/12 02:47 AM
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You have answered your own question. First off, Nobody can judge you for going out and getting what you want. That's awesome. I hope you have wild, hot fun. And I hope you are staying safe. But you've got the rich mans problem: obviously some part of your mind/body is telling you that there is another problem that you need to address. And perhaps the rewards you get from seduction are just distracting you from addressing the problem. Enjoy sexual adventure, by all means. But stop running from yo…
/r/seduction10/07/12 06:12 AM
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Apologizing is for when you do something wrong. You feel bad because the interaction left her feeling bad. Which means you are a person who cares about other peoples feelings. Which is a good thing. But you didn't do anything wrong. So don't bother apologizing. The girl has some issue that you have no control over. If you have no control over it, then you don't have to take responsibility for it.
/r/seduction28/06/12 10:51 AM
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Think about this word "Love". What does it mean? It seems that when most people talk about "falling in love", what they mean is that they "becoming attached to a someone". Consider the possibility that falling in love during sex isn't so bad. But attachment leads to suffering. When you get attached, you create a criteria for happiness. You create a story. And unless the universe plays along with you and makes that story real, then you will suffer. Consider that love is possible without the bonda…
/r/seduction28/06/12 10:41 AM
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http://www.wellingtonlair.com/ That might be the forum of the guys that I hung with when I was down there. Also, look for the wolfpack on facebook. Mind you, the thing I didn't like about the welly lair was the large group sarging thing. Some of the guys were cool. But there seems to be this tendancy to go clubbing in large groups. This seems pointless to me. Some of also seem to a bit clueless when it comes to interacting with their friends girls. There was some pointless amoging and competitio…
/r/seduction25/06/12 11:56 PM
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How's the lair down there at the moment? I a couple of interesting nights with lair guys down there. Some of them were kinda cool. Some weren't. I love women from wellington though. Had a cool time when I visited last. Beautiful memories.
/r/seduction25/06/12 01:28 PM
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No big deal. Just dismiss friend and tell him you and your girl are both quiet happy flirting. And then stop hanging out with your "friend".
/r/seduction13/05/12 03:56 AM
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Well, I've had adventures at folk festivals. Not sure if classical concerts are as conducive to hot times though... Are you really totally turned off by all club music? I live in a small city - only a couple of million people. But I can still find electronic music that I really enjoy. I'm not into bouncy braindead stuff, or house. But I can find places playing great laid-back funky jazzy hip hop kinda stuff. You into rock or pop oriented stuff at all? You will be able to find clubs that have you…
/r/seduction12/05/12 03:08 PM
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Just my opinion here, but... I think there is a huge mistake that guys make when they go to clubs: They start to feel like crap, and they compare themselves to the legendary PUA's and the legendary club stories. And then our poor player goes into a negative emotional spiral. The mistake is comparing yourself with an stupidly high standard. And possibly an illusory one as well. What you see on all those RSD clips - a lot of it is "flash game": it looks great on camera. The players being filmed ha…
/r/seduction12/05/12 11:56 AM
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I've had a good amount of experience in this regard. Chances are that you won't have to teach her much at all, really. If she's realy keen on seducing girls, then her own instincts will come to bear. I've never seen any guy seduce and get get girls naked as other girls have. There are some girls out there who are very bisexual, and very sexual. The ones I've seen in action are infinitely faster and more effective at seduction then any pua I've seen. I think this is mostly because girls really ju…
/r/seduction24/04/12 10:58 AM
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I know a couple of naturals. They simply have an ease about them that comes from unmatched confidence. From what I can tell, they simply had a lot of things going for them when they were growning up - mostly a lot of parental encouragment for them to face and overcome challenges.
/r/seduction06/04/12 01:03 AM
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I generally don't drink when I go out. In fact, I generally don't drink. Regular excercise and meditation help me keep in a calm, delighted state when I go out. Negative stuff just doesn't effect me most of the time.
/r/seduction21/03/12 02:55 AM
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You are experiencing social anxiety. I think that overcoming it comes from your sense of value. If you are approaching a girl, and deep down inside you know that you are a genuinely cool guy with a lot to offer anyone, then it's easy. Also, if you feel like you are approaching someone to share what could be a cool experience, then you feel good about it. If you subconsciously feel like you are there to take something, then you might not feel so good about it. I just couldn't do it - my fear of r…
/r/seduction18/03/12 11:45 AM
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By the time i could work up the courage (being DD means no liquid courage) She had left.... What do you guys think? Yes, you messed up. Welcome aboard. Your path to becoming a seductive man will be filled with failures and suffering. And lots of cool stuff too. You will mess up lots. We all do. For every fantastic FR where the player had a great time and a great night, and maybe even got the girl(s), there are a bunch of lame nights. Yes, you could have done better. But what I'd like to tell you…
/r/seduction18/03/12 10:54 AM
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Go up and ask her how old she is.
/r/seduction17/03/12 02:32 PM
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Forget about them. Just go and meet girls instead.
/r/seduction25/02/12 03:35 AM
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Well, if you think that you need to wait for permission before you act like a like you have a dick, then sure - continue to try to read her mind. You will get results for sure. But you'll continue to be embed approval-seeking behaviour into your game. This will limit your results.
/r/seduction25/02/12 03:33 AM
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If you had indeed mastered seduction then you'd be doing this already and you'd be getting results from it. Your average women isn't at all excited about some radnom guy drooling at the thought of fucking them. They get this everyday they walk down the street. Then don't do give your power away. Be detached from outcome. This is completely different from what most guys do. Or in other words, don't waste your time with meaningless garbage. This is meaningless garbage I moved towards this style of…
/r/seduction25/02/12 03:29 AM
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Good to hear.
/r/seduction25/02/12 01:26 AM
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So weekends coming up, I was thinking I should just call her and ask her out. How should I go about it? You just answered your own question. Just call her and ask her out. That's it. She will either say yes or no. That's all. You are thinking about it way to much.
/r/seduction25/02/12 01:23 AM
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Randomly asking a girl if she is DTF isn't how the seduction process works. There is a certain amount of sexual tension and arousal that needs to be worked up You obviously haven't tried it. Think about this: What could be more arousing to a woman, more conducive to sexual tension then having a cool guy approach her and let her know that he is aroused by her? What could be more effective at generating sexual tension then telling a woman what you want to do with her? It only sounds weird to guys …
/r/seduction25/02/12 01:21 AM
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Yes there is. There's a ton of things wrong with it. One of the fundamentals of becoming a seductive man is eliminating approval seeking behaviour. Waiting for IOI's is, in essence, seeking her approval before you walk over, touch her, go for the kiss, whatever. Another fundamental is that you should be learn to be present, in your body when you are in the presence of the woman you desire. But If you are looking for IOI's, you are in your head, trying to make mental calculations. You are in a st…
/r/seduction25/02/12 01:12 AM
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You read something into my remark that wasn't there. I made a comment about taking the lead physically. About not playing headgames with yourself or other people. And you read "rape". What does this say about you?
/r/seduction25/02/12 01:04 AM
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Good piece. The only thing I have a problem with is introducing Ratisse. He seems like a cool guy. He gets results, and his approach to seduction is pretty simple. But he is into tapping. Which I think is weird and useless.
/r/seduction23/02/12 11:35 PM
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For me, this the clip that I think typifies the pinnacle. It's from a movie. But I think it is realistic. (Very few people on this subreddit will agree with me) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6Baoop5G4
/r/seduction23/02/12 10:25 PM
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IOI's don't matter. Looking for IOI's is just a subtle form of approval seeking. The gamer who looks for IOI's is just seeking permission to act on his own intent. Real seducers don't ask for permission before they take the lead.
/r/seduction23/02/12 10:20 PM
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I don't entirely disagree with the author, but I don't entirely agree either. It's kind of ironic that he mentions Aaron sleazy as a motivator for his way of thinking. The best way to frame my objection is to make reference to another concept that I picked up from Sleazy. Actionable advice is very important. We all need the training wheels at the start. However, learners need exposure to the master mindsets. Sleazy makes reference to two kinds of thinking: "Learning Mindsets" and "Master Mindset…
/r/seduction23/02/12 10:18 PM
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Don't bother. If you are attracted to a woman at your university, then just go over and say hi. Compliment her beauty and ask her who she is. She will either run away straight away or start trying to prove herself to you. If you have the slightest bit of confidence, then most of the time she will to that latter. Generally, I find that I get better results if she sees you coming. So, don't come up from behind if you can help it. (Although it even "works" most of the time then).
/r/seduction23/02/12 09:00 PM
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Just be honest. Just say what you think. This could end up sounding like "Hi. You are so hot that I want to say hi, but I can't because how hot you are makes me choke up". Choking up instead of opening comes from being dependant on outcome. You need to get that out of your system. Personally, I find that meditation helps. Make your desired result something you can control. Like, just getting into set. If you go and say hi, then that is your victory. Not getting the response that you think that w…
/r/seduction23/02/12 08:53 PM
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With most girls I think there's a little more to it then just asking if they're dtp Of course you think that. You are stuck with the old and broken models of pickup. Stuff you got from books and PUA dvds. The ones that say you should hide your intentions. Pretend that you have no dick, and have you seeking approval by doing this "building comfort" or "building attraction". I suggest that your game would improve if you dropped this approval-seeking behaviour. Keep doing that if you want. Faking b…
/r/seduction23/02/12 08:27 PM
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I don't mind having theories to predict what she's likely to do Of course you don't. If you think that you can think for her, you have a safety net. You are able to protect yourself from the possibility of facing the unknown. Knowing you can get the girl to laugh or to respond favourable is a deeply embedded and subtle form of approval seeking. One of the fundamentals of the seductive arts is that eliminating approval behaviour seeking is neccessary. Most PUA's think that it's good enough to fak…
/r/seduction23/02/12 08:18 PM
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The underlying issue is that you have failed to be honest. You haven't been honest with her about what you want. Your boundaries are weak, and you have opened yourself up to being emotionally manipulated.
/r/seduction23/02/12 10:10 AM
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At this point I really wasnt sure what that meant... Don't guess. Ask her if you really want to know. You are allowed to. I would like to hear any ideas of something "smooth" I could have said. Try this: "I want to make love with you tonight. How can we make this happen?". You are a man in the world. You are allowed to ask for the things that you want. If you really want to master seduction, and you in it for the long haul, you will be doing this one day. Just talking with girls honestly about s…
/r/seduction23/02/12 09:54 AM
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I did move my hands up and down her body while we were dancing, but I found it hard to do any real "sexual" touching since we were in public. That's probably fine. It's probably just your inclination. Some people just don't like getting too hot in public. If that includes you, then don't go thinking that there is something wrong with you or your game that you have to change. I'd like to know how to get things a little further next time this situation happens. Tell her what you want and see what …
/r/seduction23/02/12 09:43 AM
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Thats a good start. The knowing. Realize that if you don't know what you want, then women will be able to pick that up. You have a weak identity. Women pick up on this quickly and easily. This puts you in a position where you can be easily manipulated and emotionally fucked with. Your identity will strengthen over time as you grow as a man. Growing as a seducer is inseparable from growing as a man. If you want to accelerate your growth, then do the things that you know you need to do, but are di…
/r/seduction23/02/12 07:58 AM
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You are indeed doing it wrong. Smile when you want to. Don't smile when you don't want to. Just be honest about yourself and who you are. It makes seduction easier.
/r/seduction23/02/12 03:17 AM
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Hi Newbie. I think you might be getting it. My response is being downvoted because most of the guys on this sub haven't let go of the training wheels yet. Most of the guys here think that they need a routine, or the 'perfect response' - something that allow them to elicit a predictable response. Something that will let them control the situation. (You'll find that most of the guys here, and probably most of the guys you meet in the community study or work in profession where they have to predict…
/r/seduction23/02/12 01:13 AM
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for your sake, i should tell you that's terrible advice. an HB10 isn't going to want to hear she's hot. All the crap you've been reading in pua blogs, books and products is wrong. It was written by nerdy guys who created systems to protect their weak, sheltered and vulnerable egos. They created systems to hide behind. To protect themselves from actually really connecting. Look at chapter one of the game to see what Mystery's approach to life did to his mental health. Oh yeah - and look for photo…
/r/seduction22/02/12 10:28 AM
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That doesn't mean shit. Sorry. It's comparable to having sex: just because you fuck a girl doesn't mean you want to marry her. "LJBF" means that she is politely telling you to fuck off. Most of the time when you hear this, it means that she probably doesn't even really want to be friends with you. What happened is this: she put you through her filters. You got so far. But you didn't make it through. You are not the man that she wants. Seriously - if you are suffering, then I feel for you and wis…
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:42 AM
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nexinarus has it right. You are your own man. Act from your own intentions. You want something... so go for it. Why are you asking the internet this ? Really? "Should I take the second-best option that my friends want for me? Or should I attempt to do what I really want?" Surely the answer is obvious.
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:31 AM
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Opportunity cost. You get all the benefits of a relationship. Just make sure it's worth all the things you are giving up.
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:28 AM
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Just be ok with it. Let her make her own mind up. But be honest: "I accept that we will most probably not have sex. I will, however, do my personal best to get you hot and wet". Remember, seduction is mutual. She has to seduce you. Its not up to you to do all the work.
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:24 AM
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Why not just drop the cold-reading, and just try hitting on her?
/r/seduction22/02/12 04:25 AM
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Sounds wussy to me. It sounds too much like a routine. If you want to be manly, then you why not just walk up and say "you are beautiful. Lets make love"... and actually mean it.
/r/seduction22/02/12 03:57 AM
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"You are really hot. I want to take you out on a date sometime." Thats all. No doubt you are scared of doing this. Well, quit pissing around and man up. In order to grow as a seducer, you must do the things that you are afraid of.
/r/seduction22/02/12 03:55 AM
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Simple answer: first learn to identify approval-seeking behaviours. Then eliminate them by rooting out the underlying negative beliefs. Approval-seeking behaviour can be a great pointer to what these beliefs actually are. There are levels and levels to this. You get better as you grow as a person. (And as I've pointed out in other posts, growing as a seducer is inseperable from growing as a man). When I started out, I thought I'd overcome approval-seeking behaviours. Then, during a heartbreaking…
/r/seduction22/02/12 03:52 AM
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Funny - after watching it, I think probably the best way to react is the first way. "the bad example", as conan puts it. I mean, why bother covering up your dissapointment? You've got nothing to lose. And it's not like you lose girls by breaking rapport.
/r/seduction22/02/12 01:22 AM
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She is flaky. Some girls are just flaky. They aren't really worth wasting time on.
/r/seduction21/02/12 07:57 PM
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She might be a virgin, but she is playing you.
/r/seduction21/02/12 07:20 PM
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Dont worry about it. If you really like the girl, and you are really turned on, then being good at making love will come easilty and naturally.
/r/seduction21/02/12 07:17 PM
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So the girls here are generally very traditional, and any guy hitting on them is like a threat. Where-ever you are, hitting on girls is a threat. Get used to be girls being uncomfortable with being hit on. Become ok with that. Get really comfortable yourself with having people around you being uncomfortable. One of the worst things that you can do is try and make girls comfortable. This is the opposite of what you will hear from most people on this subreddit, but it's true. Just lead by being co…
/r/seduction21/02/12 06:44 PM
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I would do this with girls I just met at bars or clubs or girls that seem more sexual. She is more sexual then you think. And like you admit: you are making excuses. I could comment on your excuses, but I won't bother. Me and you both know that they are bullshit. This just makes me think again - you need to do that thing that you are afraid of. It's up to you. You could take the slow road, and get there in a few years time. That is, if you ever get there. Most of the thousands of guys in the com…
/r/seduction21/02/12 11:45 AM
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I've hung out with a zillion PUA's. I've been in the game for years. I've never seen violence come out of an attempted pickup.
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:50 AM
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This is the third time in the last hour I've posted something like this... Take it sexual now. If she texts you again, just reply with this: "Come over. I want to learn how you like being touched". Or something like this - as long as it is very sexual, and very true to you. Do you want to give her orgasms? Just tell her. Do you want to feel her move while you go down on her? Just tell her. She will either be totally turned off (congrats - you've saved time), or she will be shocked and aroused. M…
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:37 AM
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dont bother trying If wit is not your strength, don't bother with it. In reality, people are at their most naturally witty when they are relaxed and focused. Work on these things. I get great responses and good results in field. I am not witty. If anything, I'm nerdy. Get rid of the notion that you are not enough. Its not true. You have everything you need within you to be a seductive man. Becoming more seductive is about clearing the channels of self-expression. Not learning more stuff.
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:26 AM
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Screen her now. Screen her hard. I'll just paste in a message that I put into a recent thread: Go sexual now. Text her: "Come over. I want to learn how you like being touched." Basically, quit pissing around and remind her that there is dick on offer. Yeah, I know, I know... you are worries that this might "put her off". So you won't do it. She will just assume that you have no dick, and life can go on as normal. If you do "put her off", then congratulations: you've screened out a girl who never…
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:21 AM
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Go sexual now. Text her: "Come over. I want to learn how you like being touched." Basically, quit pissing around and remind her that there is dick on offer. Yeah, I know, I know... you are worries that this might "put her off". So you won't do it. She will just assume that you have no dick, and life can go on as normal. If you do "put her off", then congratulations: you've screened out a girl who never wanted you to give her orgasms in the first place. You will have saved time and you can move o…
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:18 AM
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I'm with TheDukeDevlin on this: There is no clear cut answer. I've seen most every single product out there. And they are mostly shit. And I include Magic Bullets, Anything by Mystery and even Blueprint Decoded. They are all pretty much worthless. They all massively overcomplicate a very simple process. The systematic routine-based stuff is baby training wheels, mistaken for the vehicle. And even then, they are crappy training wheels. Concepts like "building attraction", "building rapport" and "…
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:09 AM
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Do you work in a field where you have to predict outcomes? (Engineering, programming, management). Do you do any regular physical activity - sports, martial arts, gym? Do you meditate at all?
/r/seduction21/02/12 09:59 AM
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Well, his business relies on hardcore marketting. I'll always reserve judgment on an industry PUA until I find out more about them, or look closely at them. And I haven't looked closely at sasha. I did see a really impressive live video with his business partner Yad, doing an infield pickup. He talks to the girl and then makes out with her on the street. He didn't use any stupid techniques or tactics. He was just honest about his intent and his curiosity about her. That seemed cool. Still though…
/r/seduction21/02/12 02:31 AM
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Yes. Though, I haven't actually seen the section with Sasha in it yet. I've just been watching the dialogues with David and Roger. Sasha's own style never really appealled to me. I like his directness in the in-field videos I've seen, but I personally don't have a comedic, cocky style. Sasha is actually a professional comedian.
/r/seduction21/02/12 02:19 AM
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Cold turkey. Face your fears sober.
/r/seduction21/02/12 02:12 AM
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Should alcohol be used to ease out of SA/AA? ? No. The purpose of the game is to become a seductive man. You do this by acting with courage in the face of your fears. Intoxicants simply cloud your judgement, purpose and focus. Do what you are afraid of doing until you aren't afraid of it anymore. Personally, I've found that meditation helps me to get past attachment to outcome. And it's healthier and less expensive in the long run.
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:47 AM
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Direct Dating Seminar. I've seen pretty much everything. DDS is pretty much the only thing I'd recommend. Everything else is just information junk. Blueprint and Foundations just show you how to be a manipulative guru, filling students heads with rubbish.
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:44 AM
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All good. I just found that when I was in MLTR's, I found that being really honest was helpful. I've found that the guys that I trust who have MLTR's also say the same thing: honesty is best. But you need strong boundaries as well. Vin says to be honest, but to have boundaries. So if a woman asks him if he's seeing other girls, he just says "none of your business". If they can't handle that, then they screen themselves out. Sounds reasonable - but it's pretty hard.
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:42 AM
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seconded.
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:31 AM
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"come over. I want to learn how you like to be touched" Quit pissing around. She likes you. Screen her for her inclination for hot times.
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:25 AM
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Yeah - being a gamer seems to be a much less intimidating, less challenging way to enter the game. And learning the craft is certaintly indispensible. At least in the beginning. One of the major weakness that I see is that after a while, most gamers hit a big plateau. Eventually the thrill wears off. There are a couple of ways off this plateau. One path is to make the transition to being a 'lifer'. Another path is to get into the game in a really extreme way. Work on your skillset until you can …
/r/seduction21/02/12 01:05 AM
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Well, if you don't resent him, and you take full responsibility for you own abundance, then I guess that you didn't mean what you said when you used the words "holding out", right? You should consider the possibility that you did actually mean what you said. In which case you've discovered something that you need to work on.
/r/seduction21/02/12 12:40 AM
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Hi Hahaboohoo. I'd never hear of "gamers vs lifers" before. But it makes perfect sense. I'd recently noticed this dichotomy. The way I thought about it was that there are one group of people learning the 'craft' of pickup. And another class of guys who are learning to become genuinely seductive men. Mere pickup artists sometimes get impressive levels of skill. But they are bad examples to follow for most guys, I reckon. They approach seduction as if it was something you have to "do". They waste …
/r/seduction21/02/12 12:38 AM
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Just from reading the summary, I'm pretty cynical of this guy. He sees a beautiful women, the type he is into into. He doesn't approach. What does this say about the kind of life he has been living? He's been learning pickup for years and claims to have reached a degree of excellence. But he's been living in life in such a way that he doesn't have the confidence to approach a woman that he is very attracted to. Talking is always better than not talking. In an ideal world, everything I say would …
/r/seduction21/02/12 12:19 AM
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I'm not saying... I read what you said. You said your friend was "holding out on you". Those are your words. I'm not judging you or anything. But I think you should look at the underlying sentiment. Basically, you hold resent towards him because you perceive him to be an obstacle between you and abundance. My suggestion is that you think about taking greater responsibility for generating or accessing abundance. I'm assuming here that you understand that developing an abundance mentality is a fun…
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:11 PM
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All the relationships tend to be casual as I explain I have relationship anxiety. Is that the honest truth? If so, then that's cool. Back during my own MLTR phase, I simply told my partners that I simply didn't want a comittment. You don't have to commit to someone simply because you are sharing orgasms. My attitude was simply to honour my own path, and to honour the path of the women who chose to share something of themselves with me. This guy has an interesting take on commitment and MLTR's: h…
/r/seduction20/02/12 10:16 PM
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I have come to realize as for bringing around a lot of attractive girls he is holding out on me and our other friends. Thats a lame attitude for you to have. Ultimately, you are responsible for the resources that you have access to. Including the women that you have access to. Nobody else is responsible. Just you. It's entirely up to you to go and get what you want from the world. Your success or failure is entirely your own.
/r/seduction20/02/12 09:47 PM
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Good on you for giving it a shot. But she rejected you. So move on. Most girls like it when cool guys approach them. But some girls are simply too insecure to handle self-directed attention. Congratulations - you screened her out. Let her drop from your mind.
/r/seduction20/02/12 09:44 PM
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1st set I was meditating in park and saw 3 girls walk by, I yelled "Hey you", one of the girls looked at me I yelled "Hey you, yellow sunglasses! YELLOW SUNGLASSES YELLOW SUNGLASSES YELLOW SUN GLASSES" She didn't budge. Lesson: Engadge entire group, don't focus on one person, especialyl when that one person is the hottest in group. Dont walk along and talk, stay rooted in same position and yell opener That's just plain weird. It sounds completely uncalibrated. And the "lesson" just sounds like a…
/r/seduction20/02/12 07:58 PM
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Not ugly, but not great looking. My teeth make me look a little comical. Average good looks. Should have added that I was in that set for about 40 minutes talking to the girl. And eventually occasionally acknowledging the guys. I'm not always like this. But it felt right for the time. I like going into groups. Most of the time I don't go in so "hard". But it's such a ballsy thing to do that you really show confidence. Especially if you do it as if it's natural.
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:52 AM
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My post got a lot more response then I expected. The thread below carries a really interesting discussion related to ethics. I was really just trying to demonstrate the growing beyond the bounds of social anxiety is possible. To make the my position clearer: I didn't know if the guy was a bf or not. But even if he was, what kind of bf was he? This evenings flirt? FWB? Long term mate? I didn't know. And maybe she deserved better. If he was the better match, I'm sure I'd find out quickly enough. I…
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:46 AM
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If you have the patience, you can read the thread where I describe my sudden transformation, and the events that helped to create it: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ I describe in that thread how I overcame my guilt. It was a very dramatic discovery that transformed my game overnight.
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:20 AM
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How often does this work? I don't do it often enough to have a meaningful idea of how often it "works'. I've done it dozens rather then hundreds of times. But I've only been "denied access" once. And that was by the girl herself. Yeah - most groups are ok with this in my experience. Every time I've done it, I've been in great state - relaxed, warm, unreactive and willing to create a strong presence. So of course, the group has responded well.
/r/seduction20/02/12 11:17 AM
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meditation, then listening to some music. Maybe playing guitar and singing for a while.
/r/seduction20/02/12 05:56 AM
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Go direct from the outset. Walk up to girls and let them know you think they are hot. Then start screening.
/r/seduction20/02/12 05:06 AM
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Me a few years ago Reluctant to leave the house because there are people outside of it that I don't know. Working from home to avoid meeting people. Fearful of eye contact with strangers. Me a couple of weeks ago I see a cute girl on the street, talking with her group. Two guys, one other girl. I walk up slowly, making sure that they can see me approach, making sure they know I'm heading over towards them. When I'm close enough, I speak. "Hey guys. Is it ok with you if I meet your friend here?".…
/r/seduction20/02/12 05:03 AM
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I have to say I don’t really worry too much about the intricate details of “methods Good start. Keep it up... Again tipped the bartender and made sure to get his name because I planned on being back later on. I can see that you are working hard on your social game. That's ok, if that's what you are into. But bear in mind that the social game is different from the game of seduction. You actually don't need to succeed at one to succeed at the other. Ultimately, it's about the girl. It's not about …
/r/seduction20/02/12 03:23 AM
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Good work. Keep at it.
/r/seduction20/02/12 01:20 AM
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Empower me r/seddit, grace me the power of the gospel. Push me to ask her out. Only you can do this. Like being born and dying - facing your fears is something that you do on your own.
/r/seduction20/02/12 01:17 AM
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Girls do this all the time. They seem hot, and then they evaporate. As you get more experienced, you will see this happen a lot. Don't let it effect you. Don't try to figure out why they do this. Trying to figure it out will fuck with your head. And ultimately, it doesn't matter. Chances are that you didn't fuck up - you didn't do anything wrong. She's just not buying what you are selling - so move on. Simply stop believing that the universe is obliged to follow the script that you've written in…
/r/seduction20/02/12 01:14 AM
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Quit pissing around. Ask her if she's single. (if you care about that). Ask her out on a date. Or just tell her what you want to do with her. She will either be receptive or not.
/r/seduction20/02/12 01:12 AM
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She's texting someone... she's like, I have another friend coming by.... his name is huge cockblock She was using you for attention. That's cool, cos it means you are a cool guy. But she was playing you (whether she knew it or not). Next her. If you made a mistake, it was probably that you didn't set up the expectation from the start. You should have let her know that it was a date before you got her number. Expressing your interest directly will prevent this from happening.
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:52 AM
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Clearing away guilt and shame that I didn't know I had. This allowed me to value myself.
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:47 AM
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Are you 16? If someone actually genuinely neurotic and needs to sort their shit out, then the last thing they need is marijuana habit. I'm not anti-marijuana. I have friends that use it, and I'm cool with that. And sure, it can be relaxing. But if you are doing any kind of self-development work, pot will cloud your mind and retard your progress. If you are learning seduction, you need a clear mind. You need your focus. Pot will do the opposite of helping you with this.
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:45 AM
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"You are neurotic. Have pot". What could go wrong?
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:35 AM
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It just seems odd to me to talk to the guys first Then don't do it. Trust your instincts. Seriously, trust your own instincts before the advice of keyboard jockeys and "seduction gurus". Having said that... Sometimes I enter a group asking the groups permission to meet the girl. I state my intentions openly, and generally a cool group of people will respect that. "Hi guys. Your friend here is really hot. Is it ok with you guys if I meet her?" Sometimes I just ignore the group. I'm there for a re…
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:29 AM
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Read again: you don't routines for those things. You don't need routines to "build attraction". The very idea that you have to "build attraction" is from an old and broken paradigm of pickup. It is damaging your results. Concentrate on increasing tension and getting her aroused instead. You don't need routines to "get her genuinely interested". If a routine works for that, shen she was interested anyway. You only used the routine so that you could make yourself believe that you were interesting …
/r/seduction19/02/12 11:31 PM
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You've missed my point entirely. If you want to continue relying on routines, then by all means go ahead. But they aren't neccessary and they waste mental time and energy that you could be spending just getting her aroused. Routines are things to hide behind and protect a fragile ego. If you think that you aren't cool enough for her, then by all means continue using them.
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:54 PM
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clubs aren't so bad after all. If it's the right kind of club. It's not really a state crash in the club. It's that the club and the girls there are boring. Some guys who are incredibly experienced still have fundamental issues that they need to address. Sexual aggression from the outset will not neccessarily scare girls away. I need to increase the amounts of sets I'm doing. I'm an excellent player
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:50 PM
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Then don't bother with her.
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:45 PM
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After all my time in the game, I'm still unsure how to deal with cockblockers. Most of the time I just leave the set. There's no point trying to connect with women who are so weak-willed that they let their friends dictate their social and sexual circumstances. Women who allow themselves to be manipulated like that are not for me. What I've found works in the past: Addressing the behaviour: I was holding hands with a girl. Her friend came in and pulled our hands apart. "I like you, but your frie…
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:39 PM
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It's good that you can see this. "Building comfort" is a weak an inneffective concept. You can safely dispose of it. It is indeed hurting your game. You can also safely dispose the idea of "building attraction". That's rubbish too. If anything, focus on building arousal.
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:27 PM
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Mad screening. I disagree with xpictoc114's comment. It's still based on the idea that you have to do work to impress the girl. This is rubbish. Even worse, he suggests that you have to win over the group, and that you can do this be agreeing to stuff that you might not even believe. Only do this if you actually like the idea of living through other peoples values and intentions. This makes you really toolable. You don't have to do this shit, because you are already a cool guy. You are already w…
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:24 PM
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Well im giving a really summarized version of The Game. The goal is to tell stories that raise your social value And that's where things start going wrong. It's better just to make the goal getting the girl - instead of telling her stories. So you drop most of that shit. It's unnecessary. By that I mean the routiney demonstration of all that. Sure, it's necessary as a man to develop leadership qualities, have your life in order and live your own values. But you don't have to demonstrate that wit…
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:17 PM
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I usually just do direct just like you, but with awful body language and shyness which I guess is kind of a turn-off. I'll start practicing this more often. That sounds about right: before you get used to your sexual intent, it is scary being direct. I still communicate imperfectly. The poor body language comes from fear and lack of focus/momentum. Keep doing the approaches, and this will eventually go away. You will eventually realize that there is nothing shameful in what you are doing - and t…
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:05 PM
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That's like saying "How about some Dick?" Indeed. In which case it's better to cut to the chase and be open about your intent. If you can entertain with some life stories and so on, you can bang a chick to your hearts desired. If you want to get better at seduction, it's better to focus on arousing her rather then entertaining her. Attractive women are surrounded by entertainers. Monkeys aplenty. It's best to stand out from them and just turn her on instead.
/r/seduction19/02/12 12:39 PM
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It's great that you had fun. And it's good that you took the risk of approaching and talking to attractive women. But if you insist on using routines, at least drop some of the garbage that goes with it. "Comfort Building" is part of a broken and unneccessary paradigm. Don't worry about it. "Building Comfort" will just retard your progress. You'll just get better and better at failing to communicate your intent.
/r/seduction19/02/12 12:34 PM
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A big part of your AA probably comes from the fact that you don't even know if you are actually attracted to the girl. When your friends push you into set, then you are not acting on your own intentions. You are approaching because you should you should. Not because you are hot for the girl. If you don't have the focus, then you are just scrambling your own circuits. It might help you to read a post of mine from earlier this evening: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/puqej/help_my_poor_…
/r/seduction19/02/12 12:23 PM
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My pleasure. If you have time, you might want to read my mega-long posting that I created a short while ago. It's very long, but I've tried to be as succinct as possible: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/
/r/seduction19/02/12 12:09 PM
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Is there a facepalm unicode character?
/r/seduction19/02/12 11:58 AM
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My pleasure.
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:53 AM
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If a woman likes you, she will go to bed with you in spite of the lame routines you are using. Not because of them. MM and other "systems" are based on a couple of fallacies: Masculine sexual intent scares women away, so you have to wait for her permission before you dare to reveal that you have a dick and balls. (In reality, women like being desired.) You have to be clever to get laid. (Hey - that's great ego protection for the nerds, godbless'em, who came up with MM. But it's not true) bad rep…
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:10 AM
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There is no such thing as "email game". Get her off email and to a meeting in real life as soon as possible. Just use email to arrange a date. Don't drag it out. If it becomes difficult, then NEXT.
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:01 AM
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Girls still like guys. You'll be fine.
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:59 AM
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I feel really insecure because I was totally clueless on what to do when she opened me and I was completely beta Interesting that I read this post now. I've had some interesting thoughts come up after directly approaching about 100 women in the last few weeks. One of the side effects of being direct every time I felt sufficient desire was this that I came to this conclusion: There is your intent. And then there is everything else. The everything else is just noise. It just clouds your focus/inte…
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:55 AM
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Thanks for actually considering my post. I expected either no response or a defensive and derisive one. True, you will have to be in a class for the semester. How long is that actually? Like maybe four months of your whole life? I would still suggest just being direct and asking her out on a date... without requiring her permission. Sure, as you say, you are scared of looking like a fool or being desperate. That's ok. Do it anyway. In reality, you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of: Boys l…
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:41 AM
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A man who values himself doesn't throw himself at every girl that looks at him lol. That's right. He doesn't give his power away by "throwing himself" at girls at all. Instead, a man of high value screens the girls that he might be interested in. And he does it from the outset. If he sees a girl he thinks might be an eligible candidate, he goes over and begins screening. So screen your girls. Do this instead of waiting for them to give you permission to escalate. You initial question was "how to…
/r/seduction19/02/12 07:34 AM
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It's not that you don't see them people. It's that you become detached from outcome. This has been starting to happen to me. I attempt a seduction and the woman may be really beautiful - definately worth connecting with. But her priorities for that evening are not aligned with my own. That's ok - I wish her well and quickly move on.
/r/seduction19/02/12 01:38 AM
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No offence intended but that's bullshit. Girls like men who value themselves. A man who values himself does not look for secret signs of female permission before he states his truth. Putting your intention out there immediately shows her that you value yourself. Besides, if you really want to know "if she's into you", then there's no quicker way to find then being open about your desires. Sneaking into the pussy is a waste of time and energy.
/r/seduction19/02/12 01:14 AM
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I'm getting better with all that, but horrible at finding good reasons to start conversations with strangers and not make it obvious I'm not intentionally opening them. Why would you want to hide your intent? A desirable man has no problems being open about his intent. I suggest, nay, I preach from the heights: quit trying to sneak into the pussy. Drop all of that Mystery bullshit. It's all crap, designed to protect the fragile ego's of weak men. Instead of seeing girls as mediaeval guardians of…
/r/seduction18/02/12 11:50 PM
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any advice on how to keep it flirty but not too upfront? Why would you want to avoid being "too upfront?". Women like being desired.
/r/seduction18/02/12 11:43 PM
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Any approach techniques seddit can help with topics of discussion? "Hi. Are you single?" That's all the technique you need. It's not a chess game. Be honest about your intent and commence screening her/enjoying her.
/r/seduction18/02/12 11:42 PM
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In other words, sounds like a good idea
/r/seduction18/02/12 12:17 AM
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Would you go up to a random stranger and tell her she's hot and that you two should hang out sometime Yes I would. And I do. And I get laid from it ocaisonally. Women like to be desired. And the presence of a confident man is arousing. Women like to be desired. If you actually tried it sometime, you would see that just doing it "forces IOI's" (to use an ill-fitting shorthand). I encourage you to try it. You could, but you have way less of a chance of her saying yes. How do you know this? Read it…
/r/seduction17/02/12 11:25 PM
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agreed.
/r/seduction17/02/12 01:44 PM
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I think a lot of "inner game" work is complete bullshit. In my not-so-humble opinion, the surest way to gain that sense of entitlement is sort your shit out: Basically, get your career and money situation sorted out. Or at least be seriously working on it. Be living a complete life, or be working hard towards it. Only when you feel complete as a person, as a man, will you start looking at the women who really turn you on, and start to naturally think "That's for me. I deserve that". Otherwise, a…
/r/seduction16/02/12 08:43 PM
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I Disagree. Looking for IOI's basically means looking for signs that she is giving you permission to escalate. It's easier just to express yourself honestly. Let her know that you think she's hot and that you'd like to hang out with her one-on-one sometime. Don't ask for permission. Don't run mental calculations.
/r/seduction16/02/12 11:15 AM
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she sort of drops hints she wants a relationship (let's hang out weekends, etc). Call her out. If she is being unclear about something, then ask her to be clear. After all, I'm sure that you personally appreciate clear and honest communication, right? If you get the idea that she is asking for something, then ask her what she asking from you. If she isn't clear herself, then you can drop the subject. If she does have a clear idea about what she wants, then its your duty to listen.
/r/seduction16/02/12 11:02 AM
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Edge case. If you think looks don't matter then you are either inexperienced or deluded.
/r/seduction15/02/12 01:39 AM
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Do you know any women who have grown to become better men?
/r/seduction14/02/12 08:43 PM
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Someone should ask him - if Mystery is such a good seducer, why did he end up having a child with an average-looking woman who chain-smokes around their baby.
/r/seduction14/02/12 11:02 AM
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Make your close friends only female I disagree. Sure, its great to have good female friends. In order to grow as a man (and becoming a better seducer is inseperable from this), you need to have good male friends. Preferably ones that are wiser then you. You can't learn anything about growing as a man from women. They have no experience in this.
/r/seduction14/02/12 09:49 AM
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That'd work great... right up to the point where she actually cares about your answer. At that point, stupid games and tactics won't work. What would you do at that point? And why would you hide from responding to her if you actually believe that you have nothing to hide?
/r/seduction13/02/12 03:05 AM
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...Funny, but its defensive. Yep. That's the whole problem with "cocky/funny", along with scripted openers and routines. They are all based on the foolish idea that you are not enough. The guys who popularized scripted game simply lacked enough sense of self-worth to believe that they had enough personality to be attractive. They figured out ways to shelter their vulnerable egos. They also thought that they had to put on a performance in order to do this weird thing called "build attraction". Th…
/r/seduction13/02/12 01:06 AM
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What makes your book different from what is already on the market? Who are you trying to market to? Can you tell us about your background, and what your source of authority is? Also, if you want to make sales and be regarded as credible, hire a designer. The cover seriously needs work.
/r/seduction12/02/12 09:54 PM
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But them verbalizing my failure to "man up" put me in a depressive mood. You are having serious problems with your own sense of value. Deal to that. That's a game killer. Take some serious time to reflect on your own sense of value. What do you have to offer the world? What unique gifts do you bring? How are people better off with your presence?
/r/seduction12/02/12 08:40 PM
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Tips on escalating? Take risks. Be ok with fucking things up. She is turning up because you've made your intentions clear: she knows that sex is a possibility, and she is most probably ok with the idea. (If she was clearly not open to the idea, she wouldn't be there) The best date location would be your place. Remember that you aren't on the date to impress her or "make her like you". You are there to enjoy yourself while screening her as a candidate. She is probably cool, but you have to figure…
/r/seduction12/02/12 08:37 PM
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Are you seeing multiple girls because you really want to? Or are you doing it because you think that you should? Are you living your own values? Or living the values of other people? There are other comments on this thread that are suggesting the same thing: that you might be feeling strange about the whole deal because you might not be being true to your own values. If you aren't entirely comfortable with it, then stop. You don't have to live your life just to satisfy the ideals of other people…
/r/seduction12/02/12 08:28 PM
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Be ok with fucking things up. Like learning anything new, you will make a lot of mistakes. Get comfortable with that.
/r/seduction12/02/12 07:40 AM
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still failed to build attraction For a start, stop thinking that you have do this thing called "building attraction". This concept is hindering your game, and the game of anyone else who has ever taken the concept seriously. Just drop it from your vocab and your model of seduction. Reading your report, you don't take any responsibility at all for building chemistry. You say that there wasn't any. That's because you didn't create it. If you like the girl (and your FR is quiet ambigious on that qu…
/r/seduction12/02/12 06:57 AM
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You are taking the wrong path to seduction. If you really feel that seducing a women requires that you surrender your integrity and your freedom to express yourself as you really are, then your model for seduction is broken. The path to becoming a more seductive man involves opening up the channel to express yourself more honestly and freely. If your self-expression is becoming clouded, then you are doing it wrong.
/r/seduction10/02/12 12:10 AM
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Ever since I had my big breakthrough a while ago, I've generally found indirect game a waste of time. I can't be bothered with 'routines', and I've found the whole concept of "building attraction" worthless. However, I've found that indirect game might still have a place: Sometimes I'll see girls and I'm not sure whether I actually like them or not. I might see them from behind and they look great, but I can't see their faces. So I want to open them indirectly. Or I'm still trying to figure them…
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:54 PM
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Sometimes I hear about it "working". But fuck. It's not worth it for a few reasons. Even if it helps you to get girls, it won't help you to become a better seducer. The whole premise of using mental tricks to get girls aroused goes against the whole ground of becoming a more seductive man. Ultimately, you don't want girls to respond to the things you do. You want women to respond to what and who you are. Sure, there is a place for learning tactics, like conversational and social skills. But they…
/r/seduction08/02/12 11:55 PM
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Basically, I'd love some advice on how to approach this girl and where to go from there. "Hi. I'm eaglebones94. You are cute. I had to meet you. Who are you?"
/r/seduction07/02/12 11:49 AM
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I strongly recommend Against reading mystery method. It's waaay too complicated. It fills your head with unneccessary garbage. Just go for the kiss when you get comfortable. There probably won't be a "right moment", so don't worry about that. Just go for it slowly. Expect to be knocked back. Continue with conversation, and go for it again in 5 minutes. Rinse and repeat. She knows what you want, because you've stated your intentions. So she probably won't be surprised.
/r/seduction05/02/12 09:22 PM
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Here's the thing that strikes me about this FR: when you get challenged on who you are or what you are about, you have trouble meeting the challenge. This tells me that at some level, you are not entirely comfortable with your motivations. There is some shame there. Think about it this way: imagine the guy who is free of shame, and completely ok with connecting with women. Do you think that he would have trouble answering "tests" (if you want to all them that) like "are you a womanizer?" ? He'd …
/r/seduction05/02/12 09:12 PM
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yeah. i've read around and it says you should never ever tell a girl you like her. This is rubbish. Based on a wave of pua's that figured out that they could get more pussy by hiding their feelings and pretending to be seducers. Good players can and do let girls know that he desires a sexual connection with the girl However, there is an underlying kernel of truth to this bit of advice: The idea is that you when indicating desire, that it is deeply unnattractive to indicate attachment. It is unna…
/r/seduction04/02/12 09:42 PM
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Sometimes. Just don't think that being unsexual is mandatory, or that being sexual is a turn-off for girls. It's all about leading. If you are ok with it, then she'll be ok with it. (Unless she has problems with sexuality... in which case she's more trouble then she's worth)
/r/seduction03/02/12 11:25 AM
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Even funnier - he thinks that rapport actually matters.
/r/seduction02/02/12 11:11 PM
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I've been talking to her about hiring her as my assistant as a way to get her to qualify herself for me. Are you being honest with her? Or letting her use you as a way to advance her career because she has a pussy? Are you trying to sneak into the pussy? If you want to qualify her, then qualify her for a lover. Ask her what she likes in bed, how she likes to be seduced, what qualities she wants in a lover. Screen her for the qualities that you want in a lover. This is real qualification.
/r/seduction02/02/12 11:09 PM
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... I get no response and never hear from them again. Obviously, I haven't built up enough attraction, and/or I'm letting it fade too much. Two things: 1) It's not your fault. It's hers. She's being a dick. Seriously, why would you think that you are doing something wrong because she behaves badly. A lot of women behave terribly. Don't hold yourself responsible for that. 2) Don't worry about "building attraction". It's irelevant. Thinking that you have to do something called "building attraction…
/r/seduction02/02/12 11:01 PM
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Why would you put the imaginary priorities and values of a girl you don't even know yet before your own? I don't know. That escapes me. Then stop doing it. Just because a girl says "no" you treat her like she's not worth anything. You have misread my posts. At no point did I say that "if a woman doesn't want to move forward with me, then she is of no value to the world". Rather, she is of no value to me. I'm simply screening her for a possible position in my life. Nothing more, nothing less. I w…
/r/seduction02/02/12 09:14 PM
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Thanks. But I disagree you demuring from direct language. If a girl has an issue with her presence being arousing to you, then you have a problem. Girls like knowing that they are sexy. They like knowing that they have that kind of power. They like men of value taking delight in them. It's exciting for them. Also, If you have an issue letting a girl know that she arouses you, then you have a problem. Do you have any kind of shame or guilt around your intentions? If not, then why repress your hon…
/r/seduction02/02/12 08:31 PM
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When you say to the girl "this person has nothing to offer me" aren't you putting yourself in the center of this universe? No. I'm simply honouring my own values and priorities. I know my own values and priorities. I don't know hers, because I've never met her before. Like I said above: The alternative is to attempt to honour the values and priorities of someone that you've never met before. How does that work? Why should you even try? What I'm doing is approaching with the mindset: are you good…
/r/seduction02/02/12 08:23 PM
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Best thing is to do it as soon as possible when you meet her. Try opening with it. As an opener "are you single?" can save you a lot of time.
/r/seduction02/02/12 06:00 AM
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You weren't clear about what you wanted. She knew something was up, but didn't know what. You creeped her the fuck out. Avoid this. Be clear about what you want... "You are cute. Are you single?"
/r/seduction02/02/12 04:35 AM
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is there a good response that might make her change her mind? Take a good, hard look at the thought process that lead you to ask that question. The underlying frame here is: "if I can just do or say the right thing, then maybe she will like me enough to meet up with me" Is that a frame that you honestly want to keep? Women don't respond to lines or tactics as much as they respond to who and what you are. If she doesn't value you enough to show up, then no tactic will be useful. So change yoursel…
/r/seduction01/02/12 10:58 PM
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I suggest re-reading my post. I never said that the world revolves me. In fact, the more that you can burn out the delusion that you matter to the world at all, the easier this approach becomes. It's just about knowing what you are looking for in potential candidates. If they don't have those qualities or if their strategies in dating and life are incompatible with yours then you simply move on. No big deal. The alternative is strategy is this: Placing higher value in the goals and strategies of…
/r/seduction01/02/12 10:17 PM
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Rather than: "She doesn't like me" what really happened, and what you should say to yourself is: "She didn't like what I said/did". Even better: "She had nothing to offer me."
/r/seduction01/02/12 09:03 PM
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These guys are indeed interesting. Thanks for the link. It looks like their style of play is a little from mine. But their mindset is pretty much exactly the same: going into set is about filtering for girls that appeal to the selector. Not about "building attraction", which is just a way to say "I hope she likes me". Much to much information about their penis's on the site though.
/r/seduction01/02/12 08:52 PM
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You have to know that she is probably not the one special one, but you're taking the risk anyway, the risk that she might not be the one In other words anony6464, we are returning to a fundamental: be unnattached to outcome. There are a few ways to get to this point: 1) Make your ideal outcome the fact that you approached. So, if you approached at all, then you already have your victory. You put yourself out there. That is enough 2) Look at every approach, every girl as a stepping stone to maste…
/r/seduction01/02/12 10:49 AM
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It doesn't matter. Honestly. Sure, it could be an IOI. But thinking about IOI's while you are in set gets you calculating. This mode of conciousness isn't useful for seduction. And because you don't know the girl that well, you can't really tell what it means. The best way is to focus on what you want. Instead of trying to guess where she is at, just put your intent you there. "I like it when you blush. It's cute and it turns me on. I want to take you out on a date sometime."
/r/seduction01/02/12 09:17 AM
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I know exactly what you mean. I struggled with this for a very long time. I was in the game for about 6 years, and I never got over rejection. I always felt like crap if my approach "failed". I always took it personally. A few weeks ago everything changed very suddenly. It literally happened overnight. I wrote about it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened, and why the shift was so massive and so su…
/r/seduction01/02/12 09:12 AM
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Indicate your interest. Just be honest and let her know that you enjoy thinking about doing her.
/r/seduction31/01/12 08:48 AM
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Rubbish. Being direct is just being honest. How "natural" is it to lie and manipulate your way towards sex? Doesn't it just feel icky most of the time? Like you are trying to get something from the girl? When I see a girl, it's the most natural thing in the world for me to go straight up to her and indicate my interest. How natural is it to creep around from afar and calculate which routines might work best to "build rapport", or "build attaction", (both concepts being completely useless). The o…
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:28 PM
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If you are genuinely being honest and vulnerable, you can't possible come across as pathetic and whiny. There's now "delivery". It's just you showing yourself. When you are really surrendering yourself in this way, you are truelly detached from outcome. You are speaking your truth and not caring what you get back. Whininess is the opposite. It is a technique calculated to emotionally manipulate.
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:17 PM
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If she is reluctant, then grab her hands and show her.
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:36 AM
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If she is reluctant, then grab her hands and show her.
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:36 AM
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So reddit, am I doing the right thing or should I be taking a different approach? I want to present myself as a challenge so I can ultimately get this girl in bed You are thinking about it too much. Probably because you are scared of rejection, so you are trying to find a way to sneak into the panties. Fuck that shit. Just let her know that you want to fuck. It's up to her to either accept or reject. Sure, be artful about it (although even that can be optional). But remember, you are a man. It's…
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:34 AM
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Lone wolf, calling in. I solo daygame about half the time. I do have a couple of cool wings, but I'll only go out with a wing if he is a cool guy who's company I genuinely enjoy. Wing can make things easier, because hanging out with a wing for daygame gets my social brain engaged. I'm in a relatively small city, and I can spend half an hour or so between sets. Having a cool guy to hang with in that time keeps my social brain nimble. But, fuck it. When I have no wing, I go on my own. During the d…
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:28 AM
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My advice is generally pretty contrary to what other sedditors will tell you. But, here goes... I've become pretty good at conversation-threading and building attraction Conversational skill is all good. But don't worry about "building attraction". It's not something that you have to put any effort into. All the tactical stuff about how to "build attraction" is a waste of mental energy. Much of the DiCarlo escalation ladder only works in a one v. one environment... Fuck that shit too. Too much w…
/r/seduction30/01/12 09:17 AM
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Yes. If I don't open directly and I like the girl, I try and put my intentions out there as soon as possible.
/r/seduction30/01/12 12:44 AM
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As long as you are being honest, it works. She might decline. But for me, "working" means that I put myself out there. I'm not going to sneak into the pussy. If she declines, then we are probably a mismatch anyway.
/r/seduction29/01/12 08:58 AM
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Put your intentions out as quickly as possible. It's best to start out sexually. Something like "You are hot. I must meet you" can do this. If you find yourself talking to a woman and you want to take things sexual, just look for the opportunities to express your intentions... If you look, you will find that they will come, and it will be natural to drop in innuendo, suggestion and whatever. If they don't come, just take things sexual. "Sorry, I didn't follow what you said. Your sexual hotness i…
/r/seduction29/01/12 12:54 AM
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Sexual talk is a gamble. But that's ok. She is either receptive to seduction or she isn't. You are either the right guy to seduce her, or you are not. Find out quickly. Don't bother pissing around with gambits. Don't bother masquerading your intent with humour. If you take this attitude, you don't have to worry about being a dancing monkey. You are just putting out your intentions.
/r/seduction29/01/12 12:49 AM
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"Trying to get into your pants. Want to come out on a date?" Just be straight up. Indicate your interest. Give her the option to accept or reject your intentions.
/r/seduction29/01/12 12:45 AM
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Just be honest. Be prepared to accept whatever her reaction will be. Be unnattached to outcome. Just put yourself out there. The victory in this case will not be that you got the girl. The victory will be that you decided to overcome your repression, and expressed yourself authentically.
/r/seduction29/01/12 12:39 AM
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No. You are simply acting on your own intentions. You want to play a certain game. She wants to play another. You both figured out that you want to play different games, so you decided to go play with others who want to play the same game as you. Moving on is the adult thing to do. Next time though, don't bother with the "little by little" thing. It's just like business: two parties want two different outcomes, so you both move on. Her reaction was childish. Imagine if this was a business deal. …
/r/seduction29/01/12 12:09 AM
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Fuck social proof. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Go talk to the girl. Screen her for her value to you. Don't be running around in your head trying to calculate your percieved value to her. It's all about you and what you want.
/r/seduction28/01/12 11:23 PM
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Ciaran is a complete fruitcake. Since he began encouraging the use of the apocalypse opener, he has informed his followers that he has discovered how to liberate oneself from all suffering via a thought excercise. He has no time for anyone who questions his beliefs. However.... Since the breakthrough I had a couple of weeks ago, I think I understand the apocalypse opener. I haven't used it yet. But I'll be using it sometime soon.
/r/seduction28/01/12 11:52 AM
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Thanks. Yeah - I'm often pretty terrible at spelling.
/r/seduction28/01/12 11:45 AM
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"I want to get into your pants". Just be honest. The fact that you were thrown a little bit tells me that you are a little ashamed of what you are trying to do. Just drop the deciept. Be ok with what you are and what you trying to achieve. You want a sexual connect, and thats fine. Girls actually appreciate honesty, and they honestly appreciate being desired. A cool guy who desires her is an asset to her. I mean, if she is even half good-looking, then she is surrounded by guys who are dishonest …
/r/seduction28/01/12 01:04 AM
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(I've just realized that the response I've been banging out might sound a little "deep", and maybe a little pretentious. It won't resonate with everybody. But, it comes from my experience...) Thanks. Regarding it's own thread, I think I covered how I got to this point in my superlong threaded series of posts here: http://redd.it/orcrq I have been struggling with AA for the whole 6 or so years that I've been into game. For the last two years I was totally freezing up before going into set. Total …
/r/seduction27/01/12 10:36 PM
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No. He needs to seduce you. Seduction is a human need. In your case, this is not being fulfilled.
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:17 PM
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I'm going to stick with my rule of saying whatever comes to mind Good man. It's the harder way. But it's worth it. In the end it makes everything simpler and easier.
/r/seduction27/01/12 04:11 AM
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all good :)
/r/seduction27/01/12 04:10 AM
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Glad you could see that. That's the only way I've been able to overcome my AA. I've tried everything else. And this is the only thing that has worked for me. I approach with this atittude: "I'm about to say something. Once I've said it, I have absolutely no control over the response I get. She can do whatever she wants. I don't care. I've spoken my truth. That's all that matters." It might sound melodramatic, but it's true: the only thing that has ever worked for me is going into the approach wi…
/r/seduction27/01/12 03:38 AM
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I see. My point of view hereafter may be different from most other people on this subreddit. Others will strongly disagree. Follow whichever path resonates with you best. Most "pickup tactics" can help you to sneak into pussy. When you get good at being this kind of sneak, you can get laid by spending lots of energy disguising your intentions as a man and your natural self. You will also attract the kind of energy from women that you will be putting into the world: manipulation and deceipt from …
/r/seduction27/01/12 03:14 AM
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Actually, that was the point that I was trying to make. The way that I read it, cavitycreep was getting the girls number by asking her if she wanted to carpool. I was responding to this: I realized afterwards my asking outright was something I did wrong. A couple of hours later I asked another girl if she wanted to carpool sometime and got her number really easily My position is that asking outright is the best way to go, and that asking under a pretext (carpooling) is a weaker way to close.
/r/seduction27/01/12 03:00 AM
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No offence, but it sounds kinda lame to me. Her expectation might now be that cavitycreep wants to carpool. Closing on a pretext is part of the path to sneaking into the panties. (I can't help but notice OP's name). She might not know what his desire is. But then, you've told me that you live in Japan, and I don't know anything about the culture over there.
/r/seduction27/01/12 02:43 AM
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What difference does it make? If you like him, then respond as you will. If you don't like him, respond as you will. If you are curious, then just ask him.
/r/seduction27/01/12 02:40 AM
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pants. willingness to face the consequences of my approach with the same sense of surrender and iron calm that I would need when facing a firing squad.
/r/seduction27/01/12 02:18 AM
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I don't really know. But hey - God Is Dead. Why put a new fake on the empty throne? I only know that the old model is broken after having the experience that I document in my (very long, involved) series of self-posts here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ When I went throught this, another friend went through it at the same time... and he was already having no trouble pulling. After the change in my head, all the old stuff just seemed irrelevant. And …
/r/seduction27/01/12 02:12 AM
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"It's an ego-defence mechanism designed for my convenience. I think that if I can get you to laugh that you will like me and want to make out with me. I'm actually scared of you because you are so hot." ... except don't say it "cockily". Be honest about it. See what happens when you drop your resistance to her.
/r/seduction26/01/12 09:25 PM
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it's a bold move to steal a kiss at the risk of getting slapped. It's bold to actually do it. Why waste your time on story telling? Girls don't fall for that shit. If you get her, it'll be in spite of the routines, not because of them. In which case, you might as well drop the routines and just share yourself with her as if you weren't scared of her.
/r/seduction26/01/12 08:56 PM
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so i choose to record a bit of data for science by talking about this stuff Its interesting all right. It's interesting that you can't see the pattern. You use tactical bullshit like freeze-outs. Manipulative bullshit. And you've attractive someone who manipulates you right back. She soaks up your attention with an effective hope-trap. No hostility intended. Just next her and quit being used as an ego tampon. Then drop the manipulative stuff and be honest with the next girl. Honesty is economica…
/r/seduction26/01/12 08:50 PM
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All of the items above are solid. But this is the one that resonates with me the most: Always focus on the positive. You approached? Fucking A! When you approach you're already ahead of 99% of other guys. So, OttawaSeddit, if you want to take away one thing it should be this one. Basically, it means changing your criteria for success. The girls reaction isn't the important thing. The important thing is whether you put yourself out there in the first place.
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:24 PM
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My pleasure. Happy to help. Here's something I realized yesterday that illustrates how much of a boost it can be to honestly face ones own demons: Over my two year period of pain, going out to meet women sucked. It felt like a chore. But since I had my breakthrough, two weeks ago, this is how eager I've been to get into field every day: I live an hours walk from the center of the city. I've been walking in every day to game. Every day. So, every day, I wake up with my legs and feet hurting from …
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:19 PM
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What is a bold move? Where is the courage? Where is courage in telling a story that probably never happened? Or memorizing one and passing it by ones peers for approval first?
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:13 PM
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It shows that I'm cocky, I'm a sexual being, and that I can man up to do stuff like this. Instead of pretending to do/be all things, why don't you actually do/be these things? Seriously. You don't need the routine. Don't "show" that you are cocky. Let your natural sense of humour come through. Don't "show" that you are a sexual being. Just be sexual. Don't "show" that you can man up. Just be a man. One way to actually be manly is to drop the routines. They just give you something to hide behind.
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:12 PM
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I had to run so I told her I need to go but I'd love to keep in touch Weak. Arrange the date first, and then get the number. But at this point, we can't tell what's going on in set. Give more detail. Are you directly indicating your interest? Or is she screening you because she can tell that you are trying to sneak into her panties?
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:09 AM
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Should I make it clear im into her, but let her deal with the bf situation and get that sorted out, or just escalate? ... I feel wrong doing something, even though I know she's definitely trying to get close... You shouldn't be asking for advice from the internet. First off, ask what do I want?. Sounds like you are having trouble figuring that one out. Don't ask us. We are not you. We don't understand your situation, your identity or your values. But at least some part of you do. You are actuall…
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:04 AM
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What's the point? Really? I mean, what do you think you are achieving with this routine? I'm starting to think that the use of routines is a kind of approval-seeking behaviour. I've been in field every day for the last two weeks. Some of this time I've been going out with a couple of good pua's. One of them is actually mentioned in the book "the game". I see him doing routines. I see how they hold him back. Same routine stack every time. Over and over again. He's become a feedback junky, addicte…
/r/seduction26/01/12 10:58 AM
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Manipulative as all fuck. You manipulate her with freeze outs, and whatever other lame power games you throw down, and she manipulates you right back. And you let her. What is it about being honest that scares the panties of the pua's ?
/r/seduction26/01/12 10:49 AM
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What about those women who have the rule "I don't kiss a guy on the first date"? I haven't had this "problem" for a while, but David X has an interesting response. "Ok. What are your other rules?" As I understand it, if David reckons that if the girl is going to draw that boundary, then instead of responding with supplicating behaviour, you just be straight-forwardly ask what her other rules are. And let her know that want to know her rules so you can decide whether she is for you or not. Sounds…
/r/seduction26/01/12 10:41 AM
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I bet you are mad at yourself, aren't you. Pissed off that you couldn't man up. Well, good. Negative emotions are there to drive you. Dude... I've fucked up so many times with women that I've been so incredibly in love with. And it's the memories of those fuckups that make me never want to fuckup again. From failing to get physical, to allowing my weaknesses to erode beautiful relationships. Every fuckup has made me stronger. Every failure is a brick in my palace. "My biggest worry is that she w…
/r/seduction26/01/12 10:35 AM
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I described my how the switch went off for me in my thread recently: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ Basically, I took a deep look inside myself and found that I had layers of guilt and shame about something. I felt like a failure. I wrestled with constant failure in my game for two years. Once I faced these emotions honestly, my game swung around massively. The switch was fired for me about two weeks ago. I've meet more women in the last two weeks th…
/r/seduction26/01/12 10:27 AM
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You dodge the question because you are scared of something. Maybe you are insecure about your job? Maybe you are insecure about showing your real self? Neither of these fears befits a man who seeks to become a better seducer.
/r/seduction26/01/12 02:19 AM
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Much appreciated. I've got a lot of work to do. A lot of learning. A lot of unlearning. That's the nature of the journey. I'm just so relieved that after about six years, the hardest part is over, and I hope I can offer a little light to others. Another big thing that is becoming clear to me: Becoming a better seducer is utterly inseperable from becoming a better man. Also, something else I've been meditating and musing on... someone told me this: seduction is the fulfillment of a deep psycholog…
/r/seduction26/01/12 02:11 AM
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What puaCurveBall said. Seriously. You say that you waste a lot of time with "flirty girls". Imagine how much time you would save if you asked if they were single within a minute of meeting them. Often when I approach girls, "are you single" is one of the first things out of my mouth.
/r/seduction25/01/12 08:55 PM
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Read MM if you are interested in what conclusions a bunch of over-analytical nerds can come to when they don't know anything about women. (That's no judgement. I'm an over-analytical nerd, and I used to know zilch) MM describes an old, broken model that may harm your progress more then help it. I'd probably best recommed "Mode One: Let Then Women Know What You're REALLY Thinking", by Roger Allen Currie.
/r/seduction25/01/12 08:48 PM
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So is there a strategy around this? Yes. Figure out where you went wrong, and do things a little differently with the next girl. Maybe if you post a couple of FR's, it might be obvious where you could improve.
/r/seduction25/01/12 08:43 PM
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Peacocking is kinda cool if you want to get a little reaction. But it doesn't really make you any more attractive. You get a reaction and you feel validated. That doesn't translate into lays. If you want to get laid and use less energy, don't bother with peacocking. It's part of an old, broken model of how attraction and seduction works.
/r/seduction25/01/12 08:40 PM
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Thanks. I'm really hoping that guys can get something from this. The old models of pickup are seriously broken. I've come full circle from being a routine monkey to understanding that that shitty old advice we used to get about "just be yourself" actually has a core of truth. Beyond learning some social skills, we can get what we want by just being straight up. Here is a quote from an FR that I'm typing up as we speak "Hi". I make sure that they all notice me... "You are beautiful. I have to mee…
/r/seduction25/01/12 11:29 AM
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Walk over. Call them for checking them out. Is she giggles, you've won... take it from there. If she says that she wasn't checking you out, then say "why not?".
/r/seduction24/01/12 10:53 AM
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I actually got a burst of emotion reading your post. It just reminded me of how awesome women can be. If you are valuable to a woman, she becomes the most generous creature on earth. What they can give is amazing.
/r/seduction24/01/12 02:27 AM
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funny... you say "first wall". Like, after 6 years of learning, I've crossed the first barrier. Not that I disagree. It took me awhile, but I'm sure I've got a lot more to learn.
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:36 AM
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Both. I'm guessing that the "building attraction" thing comes from MM and other old models. Useful in their time. But the training wheels need to come off sometime. In fact, it might have been better if they were never there in the first place. And yes to the second. It's time to abandon the models we use and just do what we want. This was part of the insight I got when this happened to me: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ I stopped trying to guess whe…
/r/seduction23/01/12 10:52 PM
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I still want her, but I've not built the attraction "Building Attraction" is bullshit. Don't worry about it. The term is a leftover, lameass broken remnant from a broken model of what sexual attraction really is. You don't need to "build attraction". Honestly. There is a natural chemistry between men and women that is already present, because you are a boy and she's a girl. You are a cool guy right? If the girl you are talking to can't see that, then she isn't for you. There's either something e…
/r/seduction23/01/12 10:04 PM
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No I haven't. I'll bear this mind. I didn't even think about this. Thanks for furnishing the idea. I may well experiment with this.
/r/seduction23/01/12 03:26 AM
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My pleasure. I really just wanted to share, because I struggled for a very long time. I wanted to show others out there who are struggling that there is a way forward, and that a sudden shift can happen overnight. My buddy SP has been going through the same thing, even though his game has been excellent for a long time. He had a really similair dam bursting experience. A sudden, huge shift. It's a puzzle to both of us. But the effects are massive, and massively awesome. There's only one other pe…
/r/seduction23/01/12 03:25 AM
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Hey - speaking of building tension, here is a female writer, talking about the erotic fiction she develops for her female readers: In the romances I most enjoy, as well as the ones I write, the intensity of excitement I feel while reading is directly propor- tional to the level of emotional hazard the heroine experiences as her relationship with the hero develops. Keywords: excitement. Hazard. This is female sexual fantasy. The more I think about it, the clearer it seems that tension is more you…
/r/seduction23/01/12 01:16 AM
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Maybe try "You look great in that shirt. Let's fuck".
/r/seduction23/01/12 12:10 AM
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That's really interesting. Maybe we've had the same experience. It's weird and new for me. Blue skies. And I'm also shedding old habits. I'm madly wanting to get back out in field, so I can get more of a handle on my new attitudes and behaviours. It's like something broke. A dam that was holding my greatness back. All of a sudden I'm bigger. Like your experience, this also followed a period of disillusionment and introspection Would you care to share a little bit more about what those notes wher…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:43 PM
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I think I've heard Tyler talk about this. He spoke in a video about how the male brain has these two modes, and you can switch back and forth. Each mode is useful in it's own domain, inconvenient in the other. I've noticed this massively in myself. Me and a friend were talking about this last night. Both of us have recently had the massive breakthrough that I describe in this thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ We were discussing how we don't real…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:39 PM
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You had an attachment to a story. The story didn't play out. You are dissapointed. You are upset. You are hurting and going through the stages of grief. Accept it. Deal with it being present with it. Be angry, cry when/if you need to. Under your emotional turmoil you will find a way to accept and be grateful for the experience. It's there. Don't be too hung up on "self-control". It's only a virtue to the extent that we can choose how to respond to our emotions. We can't always control which emot…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:34 PM
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It may seem like a cowards way out, but it could save a guy time and/or rejection You answered your own question. You kind of compounded the answer, by implying that avoiding rejection matters. Why should you care about rejection? Really? If you think she's hot, then find out as quickly as possible if she is a suitable candidate. Go over and ask if she is single. Ask her what kind of person she is. Always be screening. You say you want to save time. Well, you could save time by going over, direc…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:22 PM
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By becoming more attractive. This is a long term project. Work on your goals and ambitions. Work on your authenticity and honesty. Work on your body. If your buddy is not going out of his way to help you, then go out alone.
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:47 PM
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How do you send a clear signal to a girl within minutes of meeting her that you're not interested in anything except a one-night-stand? By telling her. Just do it. Just make it really clear. "You are hot. How do I get you into bed?"
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:45 PM
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Thank you. I've still got major AA during... So, I'm now getting the same emotions in my body that I used to experience as AA, but my brain is processing them differently. Now it feels like excitement. Either that or it's a signal that I'm not being honest enough. I tend to end up dropping back into typically boring conversation... ...I guess what I'm asking is how does this change in consciousness affect your "normal" conversation with girls? To address both of these points: My approach at the …
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:36 PM
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However, there's no reason you can't use some of the knowledge from the PUA community Well, the thing is, that all the stuff I learnt in the community lead me to this point. But so much stuff in the community is bullshit. I've had to drop the bullshit, and I'm working on dropping the bad habits that I've picked up in the game. Even though they have brought me "results" in the past. Do you really care if she has a b/f? Only so much. And you end up kicking her out because she's having LMR? Yep. "G…
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:22 PM
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Thanks. A lot of this is reposted and edited from a thread I started on a private forum I'm on. But I'm excited about it, and wanted to share.
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:14 PM
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Hmm.. Well, how did you use to escalate before this new direct way of life? Well, the bomb happened only a week ago (not two weeks ago, as I said in a previous post. I just worked it out), so it's all a bit new to me. Previously, I conciously thought about escalation. I would think about how to do it, in order to increase her arousal. But now I've been pushing to do it because I want to do it. Like, I'm not thinking about it tactically. I'm no longer thinking about it as a way to "get her to sle…
/r/seduction22/01/12 09:12 PM
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This post best sums it up: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/c3jf7vy
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:30 PM
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Cool. But here's the thing... being direct isn't a tactic for me anymore. Since the bomb went off, I'm trying to not even think about tactics. Being direct is just me being really honest. Are you more direct physically too? Kind of. I've never really had much problem going direct physically. But I've stopped caring about "escalating". I don't physically escalate as a tactic. I'm not "ramping up touch" as a tactic to manipulate her into sleeping with me. She either wants to get hot with me or not…
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:27 PM
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Can you tell me what it is that you are going through? What I'm trying to describe that I'm going through isn't a change in tactics. Rather, its an abrupt change in conciousness. A massive shift in my head. It's like a switch was activated, and all of a sudden things are very, very different. I've met a zillion pua's, and only two that I know have been through the same thing. One guy, an old friend, just happened to be going through it at roughly the same time as me. His started a few days befor…
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:08 PM
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Sounds to me like you are doing the right thing: working on self-acceptance and honesty. I think that these are the two things that let the bomb go off.
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:38 PM
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I can totally see why. I totally understand. It's easy to read the thread and get the impression that I'm a completely arrogant cunt. But I'm really not. I'm actually a nice guy with a pretty soft presence. Although I suspect that the soft presence might be changing in the near future. It's just that now, I simply value and honour my own priorities, and am becoming more honest about what I want. I don't want to waste my time.
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:36 PM
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...Cuz it seems weird every chick you go up to and come flat out and express interest they tell you that they have a BF. You might have missed one of the details in one of the posts. Which is cool, cos they are so long. Some of the girls I've been meeting have been reluctant to tell me that they have bf's. One girl flat out lied about her monogamous ltr. The bomb went off in my head two weeks ago. In that time I've brought two girls home. This is kind of new to me and I'm still orientating mysel…
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:34 PM
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It doesn't matter. Really. If you really want a discussion about what it might mean, you could post to askreddit, or a girly discussion blog. But in terms of the seduction, the words that this girl said have no relevance. Just keep moving things forward the way that you want.
/r/seduction22/01/12 01:17 PM
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I became pretty cynical about local girls. They don't seem to have so much to offer me. However, I'm beginning to see this perception as a limiting belief. I'm going to see what the locals have to offer. I'm in one of my country's major cities. There's an airport here. Travellers come through. So I've been selecting from amongst travellers. I notice daypacks, good shoes, casual attire and curiousity. The canadian girl was a bit different. She was just hot. I didn't know that she was canadian unt…
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:53 PM
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"I find you attractive. Lets connect again. Give me your number". That's all. Anything much else is overthinking it. Besides, if you do this, she will get hot and wet right then and there. Even better, arrange the date first, and then get her number. Getting the number is just for logistics. Anything else is just "sneaking into the pussy". You are a real man. Why bother with that shit?
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:14 PM
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It wasn't a line or a routine. Sure, other people might have said it before. But I was just being honest and having fun. I was also trying to show a bit of my personality too, and show that I wasn't a threat... I was "building comfort". But that was before the bomb went off. The explosion happened a few weeks later, and now I don't really care about "building comfort".
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:06 PM
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You are doing it wrong. So, so wrong. You don't know what she's thinking. Trying to predict what she is thinking kills the game for anyone. Do what you want. If you want to kiss her, give it a shot. She will either accept or reject. That's all. There is nothing else at stake.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:59 AM
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Why not care about rapport though? Dude - I really don't know. It just doesn't matter to me anymore. It's irrelevant. The part of my brain that has been caring about building rapport got wiped out when the bomb went off. I just stopped caring. I think a part of it is trust in myself: Like, you said you skimmed the (huge number of long) posts I put out, so I'll nutshell something: the bomb in my head seemed to go off after I shed a lot of guilt, shame and repression that I'd been harbouring for a…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:55 AM
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Be really honest. Remember why you are in set in the first place. Ask the group which of them is single. Of the hottest girl, ask if she is good in bed. Screen her. Tell her that you are out to get laid tonight. Don't bother treating this as a routine. Just be honest and have fun with it.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:43 AM
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Take dance lessons. Do latin dance. Do contact improve. You already know how to touch people naturally. It's just that that ability is repressed in you. Learning to dance with other bodies will help you get comfortable with them.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:39 AM
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Thanks. I'm not sure if I'm communicating it clearly in the thread, but this is the core of what I'm trying to say: A massive shift happened overnight, and my game changed totally. It's completely different now. Routines don't matter. Rapport doesn't matter. All of these changes in my thinking happened literally overnight I don't care about rapport anymore. I'm spending way less energy. I'm being more honest. Sometimes I even feel like I'm being rude. I'm not experiencing AA anymore: all of a su…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:32 AM
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My repertoire at the moment is extremely limited. I just wonder up to girls. I tell them that they are pretty, ask if they are single, and ask them on a date. Thats it. Day Two I met up with the Dutch girl that I picked up on the street near my house. I'd forgotten what she looked like, but it turned out that she was really physically hot. We went for a couple of drinks. She admitted that she had been dishonest to me when I met her. I had asked her if she was single. She had said yes, but it tur…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:00 AM
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'm still nervous around girls. I still get AA. I still feel kinda dorky, and I hide behind the words that I'm saying. But at the same time, I'm completely aware that I'm at my most attractive when I'm actually, as you put it "sharing myself authentically". And I try to do it. I try and relax, breath and just "be myself" I did a bunch of sets today, and I tried to do this. Just relax into being myself. English lass. Walked up.. "Hi. I noticed you. You are really cute. Had to meet you"... Of cours…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:56 AM
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So yeah - that's another thing that helped me to make the shift. I've been carrying these really dark emotional states. I've been really really low... and I've been trying to figure out why. Working on seduction was distracting me from addressing this inner stuff. And it was hitting me hard in the field. Over the years, I've developed a little skill in "following my emotions". Basically, sitting with my emotions and seeing where they lead. Seeing what images, thoughts and impressions they brough…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:55 AM
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SP: Great post dude Thanks I feel like I missed some stuff out there's other stuff going on as well I think maybe that making a conscious decision to make the best from my relationship with XX helped me to make the shift as well Also, I'm starting to address my past a little more too. I haven't told anybody much about it me But I kind of discovered a while ago that I've been carrying around a lot of bad feelings in my body And I haven't been letting myself be conscious of them I dug into them a …
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:54 AM
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All Uphill So anyway, in the outer world, my game has been simply exploding. Like a fucking supernova. Me and Mambo Mike went out macking in the last weekend of December 2011 . I just went direct on everything that was cute. I struck up a conversation with a cute redhead. Got her number. Took her dancing that night. But I wasn't really sure about her, so I didn't express intent. On NY eve, on facebook chat I got pretty raunchy with her. I decided to stay at home and play chess with my flatmate o…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:49 AM
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I'd been doing quiet a bit of work. Once the bulk of it was over, I started simply going out a lot during the daytime. A lot. I was partly prompted to do this by Scarlet Pimp. He has been having some big psychological changes too... and I think he has both standing and new insights into where I'm at. SP told me to keep going out. At one point, about a week ago, he told me to go out an hour every day. So I did. A Conversation With Mambo Mike This bit kind of goes a bit deeper. It might seem like …
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:48 AM
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Pt II There was something else that happened when I went to visit SP's city. I hung with SP and some other players at some clubs. We went into one club, and I became lameass chode guy. Leaning on the bar, just looking out at the girl. SP came over. I told him that I wasn't approaching because of how I felt about how my performance. Basically, I obviously looked like some boring guy leaning on the bar, looking out at the high-value islands of girls. If I went over and tried to open I obviously wo…
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:45 AM
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I wouldn't quite put it that way. Not everyone in this subreddit is a misogynist and is looking to "use" women That's not misogynist. That's just honouring your own priorities. If two people want different things out of each other, neither is obligated to stick around. She is wasting his time. He is wasting her time. That's all.
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:31 AM
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Do what you want. If you want to stick around and validate her, while being all frustrated yourself, then do it. If you want to honour your own priorities, then go connect with another girl.
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:29 AM
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The best possible response would be the most honest, I reckon. Whatever you are really thinking. Anywhere from "I'm curious about you", to "I'd like to give you orgasms". Just say what you are really thinking.
/r/seduction20/01/12 03:12 AM
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First off, I want to make clear: I'm not judging. I'm calling it as I see it. That's all. Ok... You didn't really do anything wrong. You just aren't doing anything "right". As I read this post, the obvious thing is that you constantly in a state of reaction. You react to her actions. You aren't really taking the initiative. She does something, you react. That's the pattern here. This isn't a bad thing really. It's just typical of good seducers to do the opposite. Also, guys who tend to live in a…
/r/seduction20/01/12 02:53 AM
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I'm battling the feeling of always loosing at this game. As a competitive athlete all my life, it burns so badly to not win. I don't know if I want to call it winning or loosing, but that's the way it feels. At one point it was great feeling free of any outcome and having a good time, but seeing as how my closest peeps are clocking in the tickets, this feeling is setting in. Two things: 1) Redefine "winning". The lay isn't the win. Did you put yourself out there? Did you connect honestly? Did yo…
/r/seduction20/01/12 01:59 AM
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That definition works for me :)
/r/seduction20/01/12 01:03 AM
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Fuck peacocking. It just gives you more shit to hide behind.
/r/seduction20/01/12 01:02 AM
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Define "works". For me, I don't care about whether or not I get the kiss. If I do get the kiss, then thats awesome. But I'll often do goofy shit like this to express my intent. Or to get things hotter. In both of these cases, if I have played this goofy tactic at all, then it has already worked. It doesn't matter if I get a "no". She still knows what I want, and I've managed to put myself out there.
/r/seduction20/01/12 12:58 AM
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I have never gotten over AA. I don't think I ever will. Been in the game for years, and it's always been there. I don't think there is a way to get rid of it. However, I also think that it doesn't have to stop you.
/r/seduction19/01/12 12:44 PM
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Vulnerability is the only thing that works. Showing your true self. It's terrifying, but everything else is bullshit. Being vulnerable doesn't mean being needy or emotional. It just means being honest. Honest about what who you are and what you want.
/r/seduction19/01/12 12:24 PM
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I do something like that. But, if she loses she has to make out with me.
/r/seduction19/01/12 12:03 PM
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Follow my future posts. I had an enormous, sudden shift in my psychology recently. I'll be writing about it soon. In short, my abrupt breakthrough gave me access to real detachment from outcome. I'm now a lot more immune to negative emotional reactions from shit like that.
/r/seduction19/01/12 11:59 AM
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Fuck DHV's. You don't have to hard sell a lamborghini. You are a cool guy, right? Let her find that out. If she earns it. MM was created by very systematic thinkers. Complete geeks who overthink things. That's cool - I'm one of those guys too.... but... It seems to have been created for use in LA nightclubs, on insecure girls who artificially overvalue themselves. Let the DHV's come naturally in the conversation. In fact, it might even become hard to downplay them. Which you might have to end up…
/r/seduction19/01/12 11:53 AM
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Who is Parker?
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:37 AM
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Well, like I said - it's up to you. You can choose to live in a reality where you are dissapointed with women. Your choice. Good luck with that.
/r/seduction18/01/12 10:31 AM
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I respectfully disagree. Consider this excercise: Walk into a club. Look around. Consider all the men. How many of them are garaunteed to get laid tonight if they really wanted to? Now look around at the women. How many of them would have any trouble getting laid tonight if they really wanted to? Even the least desirable girl in the club, in any club can get laid if she really wants to. This isn't really a point that I consider to be a big deal, but understanding it can help you understand the d…
/r/seduction18/01/12 01:46 AM
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I meant conan the barbarian. But... if you can't accept what I have to say, then I take it all back... I take it all back, and you are completely correct: to be strong means to be less human. You can only get women by playing dishonest and stupid games. The world will never suit you. In the world I live in, I get laid by being open and honest and shitting on all the stupid games people play. I become ever more honest, and stronger as a human being and a man as every day passes. This works for me…
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:17 AM
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Dude. You missed the point entirely and willfully. It's your pain and dissapointment talking. And you should tell them both to fuck off. You can become a stronger human who enjoys the process of seduction, and gets better at it. Without being weak. Without playing games. Stronger doesn't mean less human. It doesn't mean you have to fake being Conan. It can mean being mentally more durable, being more fun, being immune to other peoples bullshit. But it's all up to you. Take a break. Go do somethi…
/r/seduction17/01/12 01:49 AM
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Sure - accept feedback from women. Listen to what they have to say. Just don't bother taking advice from them most of the time if they have anything to say to men about seduction. Like I've said in my other posts in this thread - women know absolutely nothing about being a man. Or about being a man who wants to seduce a woman. Or about being a man who wants to get better at seducing women. Might as well take seduction advice from your mother. I'll bet if you asked her, she'll have a lot of fanta…
/r/seduction17/01/12 01:41 AM
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But we don't have to play games. Playing games isn't the only alternative to living as a weak human being. The alternative I suggest is this: becoming a stronger human being. If the he guy in question wants to get better results, then should take listen to his dissapointment. He should consider what went wrong. He should then consider why things went wrong. If applies his intellect over his emotions he is likely to come to some sound conclusions. If he gets that far, then he has the option of do…
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:16 AM
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Become him. Your growth will be a light to others. I've been incredibly fortunate. I've found men who have walked this path. Some of them had to find it by themselve. Most have had help from people ahead of them. One such guy is the author of this book: (you may have to look past the title). Tao of the gigalo
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:54 PM
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Yeah. But you made it sound like there was something wrong that that.
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:42 PM
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No offense intended, but you might want to re-read the second part of the post that you are responding to. The vast majority of women, and you should consider the possibility that this includes you, are incapable of giving real meaningful advice to men on seduction for many reasons. Here are a couple: Girls have absolutely zero experience when it comes to consciously becoming better men and better seducers of women. Bear in mind that these two things are inextricably wound together. You cannot b…
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:31 PM
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He got filtered because he was weak.
/r/seduction16/01/12 10:07 PM
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ok... perfect example from the weekend... Me and hottie friend go to a party. I see a hottie I want. I leave my friend and go for hottie. We connect. We establish rapport. I become quiet direct. Me and my friend go to a club from the party. I pull the girl that I've just met. Eventually, we all leave. Girl I like goes back to party, but I want to go home. My friend tells me that I should follow the girl if I really like her. I disagree. I say to friend "I don't know if I want to be if I want to …
/r/seduction16/01/12 10:04 PM
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Personally, I would be very careful when I read posts written by women. Women simply don't have any experience being men. As such, it's harder for them to give advice on where to build game. I was out with my hot female friend the other night. She likes to think that she is helping me out with girls, but she gives me the worst advice ever. Having said that, OP has some points that are well worth paying attention too.
/r/seduction16/01/12 07:35 PM
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I'm sure you'll get a lot of comments on this thread talking about how it is essential to maintain balance. But I think that there is a limit to what a balanced life can achieve. Anyone who has become excellent at anything has probably not had a balanced life. My take on it is this: sometimes there is a time for living a balanced life. In the long run, focussing on any one thing at the expense of otehr things is not sustainable. But, if you want to lift your performace beyond what is normal, the…
/r/seduction14/01/12 01:56 PM
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Take risks. Be prepared to lose her. Details: Get her alone -> lay on the intent -> ramp up the kino. She will either flee in disgust, or open up to you physically. Deal with it. What I'm hearing in your post is that you are afraid to take risks. That's cool. I'm not judging. We are all at a certain point on our journey. But you need to take risks. You are not likely to get this girl because you are not yet the kind of guy who regularly takes the risk of expressing your intent, and you are too a…
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:48 AM
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So I checked the article out. Interesting quote: No topic is off-limits. "I've slept with more than five hundred women and about a half dozen men," he tells me. "I've had a whole bunch of threesomes" -- one of which involved a hermaphrodite prostitute equipped with dual organs. So this guy got a laid a bit when he was young enough too. Interestingly, the pua mentorship I've been recieving has been coming from guys who consider honesty very important in pickup and in life. They are influenced by …
/r/seduction14/01/12 12:13 AM
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Wow. Actually a good read. Not what I was expecting.
/r/seduction13/01/12 01:53 PM
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I've got no idea where to start or where to end. Since I decided to live a life of constant self-improvement, my life as constantly evolved. I have had a harder life then most people can imagine. I had a harder childhood them most people in my social group suspect. I've never been very open about it. As a result of my stolen childhood and lifelong environment of emotional neglect with a serving of physical abuse, I was primed for suicide. I never believed in myself, my ability to prosper or surv…
/r/seduction09/01/12 09:15 AM
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"Hi. You are cute. I had to meet you" Anything else is too much thinking.
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:50 AM
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In fact, you are lucky if she bothers asking it. You run the real risk that all of the answers for "why" she imagines are negative In which case the problem is calibration and comfort. Personally, I think being asked "why" means that you haven't put your intent out there clearly enough, whether it be through direct or indirect language.
/r/seduction19/04/11 09:43 PM
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Who's hiding intent? Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but if you aren't hiding your intent, why would it bother you for her to ask "why" ? I agree that indirect language can be better then direct language. It all depends on context and calibration. However, personally, I find that I being direct can stop me from hiding behind the boundaries of my ego. I'll do it whenever I can. And getting outside those boundaries is what makes you grow in the game.
/r/seduction19/04/11 01:05 PM
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Disagree. If she asks why, tell you that you like her and that it would be fun to take her out. No need to hide your intent.
/r/seduction19/04/11 12:35 PM
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Another shrill voice looking for reasons why guys who make an effort are the least deserving. Frame it how you want to. It all comes down to the same thing: seek connection with those who may be receptive, and your chances of success rise.
/r/seduction21/03/11 02:45 AM
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yep. Also, when girls are having fun pumping state, why would they interested in guys? Sex is so easy for girls to get anytime. Why interefere with a fun night out? I think that perhaps the trick is pick your targets well. Make it a fun night for them instead of interfereing with the fun that they might already be having.
/r/seduction19/03/11 10:46 PM
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Agreed. Girls go to clubs to enjoy getting into state. Goups of girls pump each others state up in clubs. That's why they go. Getting into that excited fun state is much higher priority then meeting guys.
/r/seduction19/03/11 10:21 PM
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Best answer. Become the kind of guy who is normally touchy. Make it natural.
/r/seduction20/11/10 12:53 AM
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The Game was written by a nerd who was taught game by nerds. What he learnt worked, because it was better then he knew at the time, and because he was excited about it. (being enthusiastic is a good for game) However, excellent game simply doesn't need to be as convoluted as it is in the book. The better I got, more more I looked down on the MM scence. The last time I listened to an MM audio product, I was downright embarrassed. It was like watching a bad movie that you can't watch the whole way…
/r/seduction20/11/10 12:51 AM
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I thought that this would be a website put up by just another PUA hater. Then I saw who the author was. He's a bit of a dick, but he's also probably a very good player.
/r/seduction20/11/10 12:47 AM
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