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| 1 | Besides bars and clubs, where are some solid places to meet women?In that case, call the alumni contact and offer to volunteer (and frankly you can be totally open about how you'd love to work there if something suitable shows up) and/or check out what events you can network with staff at, and it'll potentially significantly increase your chances of getting an in when they have job openings... | /r/seduction | 03/06/20 11:46 AM |
| 1 | Besides bars and clubs, where are some solid places to meet women?Gym clientele varies greatly both by gym and by time you go there. Plenty of chubby and curvy girls spend lots of time in the gym. You just need to find out which gyms near your and when. Often a gym can change character entirely in half an hour based on e.g. lunch hours, when people get off work etc., when classes are etc.. | /r/seduction | 03/06/20 11:08 AM |
| 2 | Besides bars and clubs, where are some solid places to meet women?Nobody cares unless it's a university entirely without any research department entirely and/or you're crashing events that are explicitly targeted at undergrads. Any school with a postgrad program and research irrespective of country will tend to have plenty of activities open to non-students. Most universities also have alumni associations and events where they very explicitly love alumni to get involved, so if you live near-ish to the uni you graduated from they'll likely desperately love the … | /r/seduction | 03/06/20 10:56 AM |
| 15 | Besides bars and clubs, where are some solid places to meet women?Everything can seem natural if done right, and everything is awkward when it's not. Approaching women in women's clothing department works amazingly well when done naturally. A guy needs to have an excuse for being there, generally something that involves asking for help picking out a present for a friend, and stress he's looking for something that does not suggest romance. You can end up having women literally physically dragging you around a store while you're chatting her up if you do that. S… | /r/seduction | 03/06/20 10:38 AM |
| 8 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?I wasn't shit talking him at all. As I said, I love him at an actor. But I'm also fully aware that he is not mainstream attractive - that's just reality -, and wasn't particularly mainstream attractive even when he was much younger. I'm sure he has banged all kinds of attractive women, but not because most people would rate his looks high. That was my point - you can overcome the mainstream view of look with other aspects of who you are (in his case being a famous actor certainly helps, but I'm … | /r/seduction | 22/04/20 03:48 PM |
| 28 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?An important aspect is that people are too focused on what the mainstream views of status and fitness are as well. I don't have model looks, but good for me, because my "out of my league" younger gf's view of the ideal man is Ed O'Neill. I love him as an actor, but the guy is 30 years older than me and 45 years older than her, and next to him I would look like a model. Status likewise is highly subjective. E.g. some will consider academic success high status, while others will look at an academi… | /r/seduction | 22/04/20 02:15 PM |
| 2 | Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About TinderMy bio is very specific, as I don't want to waste my time on women I'd have no interest in, and 100% this. Even after matching a substantial proportion don't read bios. | /r/seduction | 09/09/18 10:26 AM |
| 5 | Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About TinderBased on the infographic, as a man in London it would seem that my ideal profile picture would be a headshot of me in a bathing suit at a bar smiling with teeth. Of course the numbers are all over the place and lacking in controls, but the above illustrates that the breakdown of the numbers is also not very useful. E.g. like you, I assume the reasons for the high rates for pictures in bathing suits is that people who post pictures in bathing suits are proportionally more likely to look particula… | /r/seduction | 09/09/18 10:20 AM |
| 1 | As a woman doing pick-up, I’m struggling with rejection. Why do you think I’m getting rejected? And what else can I do to improve my approach? You can see how I’m doing it in the video here..It's a general principle of scarcity: we want what we can't have; we're less likely to want what we can have, because we tend to see that which is hard to obtain as higher value. Y Think about how you'd react if someone walked up to you on the street and offered you a car for free. You'd be instantly skeptical, because you see a good car as high value, so one being offered to you for free must have a catch. The person walking up to you need to explain (quickly, before you walk off) why there's n… | /r/seduction | 19/04/18 11:36 AM |
| 3 | As a woman doing pick-up, I’m struggling with rejection. Why do you think I’m getting rejected? And what else can I do to improve my approach? You can see how I’m doing it in the video here..Most men want to chase, not be chased. There are of course exceptions. Because we rarely get approached, most men will see a woman that is openly hitting on us as likely to be low value. We'll be thinking "what is wrong?" and assume you're trying to sell something, is a prostitute, or something else is wrong. Women often do this too, but a man can get away with pushing harder. Be more subtle - compliment him on a piece of clothing and explain you're looking for a present for [insert family membe… | /r/seduction | 18/04/18 07:06 PM |
| 2 | What is the best way to make a move on a coworker ?Yeah. When I saw that, it made the post read as "oh, hey, how about I try to fuck a girl who is working closely with the very people who can fuck my entire future up more than anyone else in the company" I'd say his best bet is to be friendly and not consider doing anything until he or she has moved on, at which point he could make a move and make a point out of how he wanted to make a move sooner, but know how easy it is to create a poor workplace atmosphere, so decided it was best not to do an… | /r/seduction | 02/04/18 11:51 AM |
| 3 | Guys who openly target one-nighters from Tinder, what does that text game look like?I work from home, so don't do much approaching. I have done day game in London though, and it's surprisingly effective even with people used to brushing away charity collectors and other people all day along. I haven't yet approached anyone too young - I'd say if you go up to someone and they seem too young, just open by explaining that and asking for their age. Also, when you have dated women 5, 10+ years your junior, do you find a quite jarring disconnect simply due to the gap in life experien… | /r/seduction | 15/08/17 12:01 PM |
| 8 | Guys who openly target one-nighters from Tinder, what does that text game look like?It's a filter. If she doesn't want to, she'll say no. If she doesn't want to enough or is worried about meeting and likely to flake, she'll say no. It's a tradeoff between how ok you are with spending more time building comfort or being flaked on vs. how ok you are with getting rejected quickly. So yes, it will turn some off. On the other hand some also get turned on when men just make decisions. Overall you probably lose out in numbers of opportunities, but waste less time and the ones who do a… | /r/seduction | 15/08/17 09:09 AM |
| 4 | Guys who openly target one-nighters from Tinder, what does that text game look like?Increasing testosterone or reducing estrogen, usually, but it's not necessarily that straightforward. Some anabolic steroids can achieve it by affecting test and estrogen balance. Occasionally you hear bodybuilders "having" to supplement with viagra and the like because the steroids cause abnormal sex drive but their erections are unable to keep up... But in this case it's meant to be a dumb joke to make intent clear without being threatening. | /r/seduction | 15/08/17 09:03 AM |
| 9 | Guys who openly target one-nighters from Tinder, what does that text game look like?You're welcome. In fact, I still occasionally get rejected by younger women for being too young. But you'll also find that women in their 30's often have less choice even when they're still really hot. To some extent that's their own doing by getting pickier, but if you come across mature enough there are a lot of women in their 30's who look like they're hot 20-somethings, yet who won't date 20-somethings men at all, and by their 30's the selection of available single 30-something men is dwindl… | /r/seduction | 15/08/17 08:57 AM |
| 9 | Guys who openly target one-nighters from Tinder, what does that text game look like?I'm 42, and if and girls in their 20's have their age range to exclude you, it's more likely to be because you're too young for them than too old Seriously. Women tend to not care much about age for the most part and of the ones that do far more prefer older men than are worried about just watching younger girls. I get approached much more by younger women now than when I was 30. Or when I was 20 for that matter. | /r/seduction | 15/08/17 07:55 AM |
| 9 | After studying attraction for 7 years and spending over $20,000 to learn from "the best", here's what I've found that men can do to attract women naturally without approaching or trying hardNever listen to what a woman says, watch what women do. That's useful advice to beginners who don't have the experience to see through the bullshit. In fact, it's a useful life lesson in any area and applies equally to men and when talking about any subject. But it's silly to stick to it once you've learned to understand the biases - the problem is not what people say (and men do this in various ways too, but most guys are better at subconsciously translating what others guys say), but understan… | /r/seduction | 24/01/17 02:58 PM |
| 7 | After studying attraction for 7 years and spending over $20,000 to learn from "the best", here's what I've found that men can do to attract women naturally without approaching or trying hardI've had more success with this as a skinny dude who doesn't exercise than I did when I was in my body-building phase to try to be attractive. I think the reason for this is partly also that guys for some reason don't realise that women get equally intimidated by hot guys as guys do by hot women. Many women also finds muscular guys to appear threatening whether or not they find it attractive. When I first got built, it took me a while to realise that I had to consciously alter a lot of my body l… | /r/seduction | 23/01/17 06:56 PM |
| 4 | After studying attraction for 7 years and spending over $20,000 to learn from "the best", here's what I've found that men can do to attract women naturally without approaching or trying hardWhat about that stunning girl walking down the street, you need to approach her No. You "need" to approach her if you "need" to meet specifically her. But that need is an indicator that you don't have enough options. You don't "need" to approach every attractive girl out there - there are more than enough. Women do not initiate The fuck they don't. Not all do, but many certainly do. They're just usually more discreet about it, and very often good about making you think you were the one to initia… | /r/seduction | 23/01/17 06:40 PM |
| 15 | After studying attraction for 7 years and spending over $20,000 to learn from "the best", here's what I've found that men can do to attract women naturally without approaching or trying hardWouldn't that make you look extremely detached/weird/out of place? It would, if someone is hanging around and paying attention to you. But you know what? Almost nobody will. And sometimes people who do will engage with you because it makes them curious. But the point is not to keep doing that all evening every evening, but to do that as an exercise to learn to recognise what behaviour makes you seem awkward and out of place. If you constantly pull up your phone, nobody will be fooled - you look … | /r/seduction | 23/01/17 06:13 PM |
| 1 | A girl I slept with told my friend that some of the girls in our friend group made a pact to not sleep with me?Maybe. But that also carries the implicit assumption from the group that one or more of them otherwise would likely to yield to his advances unless they make a pact not to - otherwise there'd be no reason to enter a pact. If at least some of them didn't implicitly want him before, some of them started thinking about it as a result of that pact. | /r/seduction | 24/07/16 02:15 PM |
| 28 | The bouncer is your biggest friend and allyIt's not even the people who are actively hostile, but all the people who just don't socially engage them in any way whatsoever. I learned this when I was working on my own social anxiety and set myself a challenge to say "hi, how are you?" to bus drivers and cashiers while giving eye contact. I figured that wouldn't really get much of a reaction. I didn't want much reaction - I just wanted to teach myself to accept that my anxieties were unfounded. What I found instead was that suddenly I got b… | /r/seduction | 10/03/16 07:36 PM |
| 12 | The bouncer is your biggest friend and allyI've had membership to clubs I've been to that I didn't even know did memberships just handed to me on the back of just being friendly to the door staff... (nowhere super fancy, but still absolutely makes you stand out to be able to flash a membership card where others don't even know they could). And I'm typically quite asocial, but sometimes just bothering to give eye contact and say hi or "how are you doing?" and putting in the effort of remembering someones name somehow sets you sufficiently… | /r/seduction | 10/03/16 07:20 PM |
| 7 | I have had 5 different women in the past year say "if we're both still single at 30, lets get married.I would say I've maybe a bit above average these days, partly from having spent the last ten years doing powerlifting. But I'm also overweight again, and has been for the last few years. When I was at my leanest I was muscular and 15% bodyfat which isn't that low, and at that point I had girls (and guys) pinch my ass when I went clubbing etc. I've picked up girls clubbing and otherwise, but frankly I usually find people online as I work too much to go out all that much. And I'm sure I've gotten … | /r/seduction | 21/10/15 06:17 PM |
| 3 | I have had 5 different women in the past year say "if we're both still single at 30, lets get married.No idea. Hope not, because I certainly don't want any girls trying to marry me. The one I'm about to meet was in a 4 year live-in relationship with a guy about my age. | /r/seduction | 21/10/15 06:11 PM |
| 20 | I have had 5 different women in the past year say "if we're both still single at 30, lets get married.I'm 40, and I still get more attention even from 18-21 years old now than ever before. Heck, there are still 20-something women that considers me too young. Got a date with a hot 24yo this evening that basically is the type that wouldn't even consider a guy under 35. Last girl I went out with was 21. | /r/seduction | 21/10/15 10:54 AM |
| 1 | The Last Pick-up Line You Will Ever Need!My point is that you don't have to be an introvert, you can change yourself. Sorry, but this just demonstrates that you have no clue what you're talking about. Being an introvert is not like shyness, or lack of social skills, though many introverts are shy or lack social skills as a side effect of their introversion. Shyness and lack of social skills can be overcome, but there's to my knowledge no evidence that an introvert can become extrovert. Being introvert implies someone "recharges" throug… | /r/seduction | 07/10/15 11:15 PM |
| 7 | The Last Pick-up Line You Will Ever Need!A lot of introverts at least will just stand there and be silent if we "just are ourselves". If I don't push myself and have a "game plan", I have no problem standing in a corner and just observing for 5-6 hours and will be totally happy with it. Until afterwards, when I'll kick myself. "Just be yourself" is great advice once you have a hook and some degree of connection, as then most introverts will find it reasonably easy to continue talking - once I connect with someone, I have no problem bei… | /r/seduction | 07/10/15 10:52 AM |
| -1 | Got a girl's number when she had a boyfriend. Whats your favorite response to "I have a boyfriend"?You're completely misrepresenting what I am saying, which is that the "boyfriend excuse" very often is just an initial test. It's not about continuing to plow regardless of response, but realising that this particular response is so often used as a test rather than intended to be an outright rejection that it is not worth giving up over. It does matter what she says. Note the gaping difference between saying "I have a boyfriend" and saying "I'm not interested" for example. One is an excuse that … | /r/seduction | 06/04/15 12:39 PM |
| 0 | Got a girl's number when she had a boyfriend. Whats your favorite response to "I have a boyfriend"?It doesn't matter all the time the majority of initial rejections can be turned around with a sentence or two. When she genuinely is not interested in continuing the conversation, she'll make that very clear and/or leave if you persist. | /r/seduction | 05/04/15 04:10 PM |
| 0 | Got a girl's number when she had a boyfriend. Whats your favorite response to "I have a boyfriend"?Going for girls who are already taken is easier than going for singles if your goal is a one night stand. The girls who are genuinely taken and not up for anything will ditch you quickly. The girls who are taken and still keeps talking are often up for something, but won't be expecting anything serious. That is why many guys go after taken girls. Yes, if you want a relationship, going after girls who are taken is stupid. | /r/seduction | 05/04/15 01:31 PM |
| 0 | Got a girl's number when she had a boyfriend. Whats your favorite response to "I have a boyfriend"?A lot of the time, the message will change instantly if you don't give up after one sentence, exactly because it is often not intended as a "go away" but as a "you've not convinced me you're worth talking to yet". | /r/seduction | 05/04/15 01:25 PM |
| 0 | Got a girl's number when she had a boyfriend. Whats your favorite response to "I have a boyfriend"?Guys aren't "getting the message" because of the huge number of girls that are just using it as an excuse. | /r/seduction | 03/04/15 01:17 PM |
| 2 | Female journalist challenged to date 60 men in 2 months details 10 mistakes men make on first dates. Thought you guys might find this interesting.No, you don't. Well, maybe you do, but by and large, women don't tend to reward that kind of behaviour. Being generous, sure. But insisting to pay is not being generous, it is showing off an expectation of reciprocation in other ways. Humans are hardwired with a strong innate psychological need to reciprocate, to the point where "forced" gifts that we don't want often creates resentment. Women often say they want this, except when they don't. The reality is they they usually welcome it, but rare… | /r/seduction | 21/01/15 11:12 AM |
| 5 | Female journalist challenged to date 60 men in 2 months details 10 mistakes men make on first dates. Thought you guys might find this interesting.You also get a fuckton of biased, filtered ideas about what women think other women likes that is based on the advice-givers ideas about what is nice combined with tons of misinformation from her friends. I'm sure guys views of what guys likes are similarly biased, but it's with women I have first hand experience of the amount of bullshit advice you can end up with. My experience, from observing the same women with me and with their friends is that the majority of women I've been with presents a… | /r/seduction | 21/01/15 10:44 AM |
| 4 | Female journalist challenged to date 60 men in 2 months details 10 mistakes men make on first dates. Thought you guys might find this interesting.My experience is that whenever someone (either gender) insists they have authoritative knowledge of the desires etc. of a gender subset they don't date, they are often extremely blinkered. E.g. back in the day I A-B tested a number of pictures on a dating site. Several women I talked to insisted that the picture that by far outperformed my other pictures was awful, and when I asked which of my other pictures they thought would be better, they made horrible choices. Likewise, a lot of my by far m… | /r/seduction | 21/01/15 10:26 AM |
| 4 | Female journalist challenged to date 60 men in 2 months details 10 mistakes men make on first dates. Thought you guys might find this interesting.By experience is that this is exactly why so many younger women seek out older men: They're looking for guys that don't play along with their bullshit, and older guys are much more likely to have reached their bullshit quota. Most women don't want to be treated like "shitty little princesses", but like younger men many younger women don't quite know what they want, and the attention they can get feels validating and nice then and there, and so they see what they get away with until they get bore… | /r/seduction | 21/01/15 10:15 AM |
| 1 | The more I do pickup, the more I find "there are plenty of fish in the sea" is bullshitIf your game is good, you can build your ties to such social systems. There's no reason doing pickup means you have to go from target to target and make no lasting non-sexual connections. On the contrary you'll be far more successful exactly if you use the same skills to get to know people - whether it's bar staff and bouncers, or girls that can introduce you to their friends in less pressured social situations and let you start weaving your way into the social positions suitable to meet the wom… | /r/seduction | 18/09/14 10:38 AM |
| 3 | The more I do pickup, the more I find "there are plenty of fish in the sea" is bullshitYes, you don't have to. But all else being equal being fit will still make a difference. It's good to let people know that being out of shape is not a valid excuse for not getting success, but you will always get more success if you get more factors lined up in your favour. (and it was fucking motivating when girls started rubbing my pecs and pinching my ass in clubs - often fitness level will have a big impact on self confidence) | /r/seduction | 18/09/14 10:22 AM |
| 2 | The "starting strength" of seductionIf you want to pick up more of the body language, read "What every body is saying" by Joe Navarro. It's great both for picking up on your own sub-conscious body language cues, and for reading others. It's also a great way of leading the conversation into a subject women tends to love. One of my favorite things is trying to pick up on pacifying behaviour in others, and call them out on it in a playful way. It demonstrates attention, and women also loves it when guys are able to teach them somethi… | /r/seduction | 04/09/14 03:45 PM |
| 1 | The "starting strength" of seductionIf it comes out "beta-ish" it's all in the delivery. Sometimes you can change this by altering the order to disrupt the rhythm in your delivery. E.g. "Please may I have xxx" vs "I'd like a xxx, please". One isn't necessarily better than they other - what matters is how you deliver it. "Please" can soften the blow of language that is otherwise very assertive and abrupt so that you can use a harsher tone and phrasing and still come across polite enough. E.g. when I want a taxi to stop, I used to t… | /r/seduction | 04/09/14 10:11 AM |
| 4 | The "starting strength" of seductionSecond this. A couple of points on this: Depending on your level of anxieties or what is actually holding you back, you may need more or less steps of escalation than this. Adjust that based on how quickly you can complete the tasks. E.g. if it takes you an hour to give 5 compliments to strangers, you should probably back up and do something easier. I mention these because to me, it was in no ways quick to be able talk to strangers. It can take a lot of effort depending on starting point and how… | /r/seduction | 04/09/14 09:55 AM |
| 1 | Why girls like guys who don't give a shit about themThere is nothing unique to women, love, or sexual attraction about this: We see value in what is withheld from us, and less value in anything that is abundant to us. It's that simple. There's abundant literature of actual research into the psychological mechanisms around desire and persuasion. A good place to start is Cialdini's "Influence" - it's full of references to the research in this field. It doesn't explicitly cover much specific to attraction, but that's the point: This holds whether we… | /r/seduction | 13/04/14 12:04 PM |
| 2 | Epiphany I had while travelling in ChinaYeah, as I commented elsewhere, depending on delivery the "do you want to fight" and "I will kill your family" could get him a criminal conviction in the UK - if he survive it. I know I for one would debate whether to fuck him up or call the police if I observed him behave like that to anyone; leaving him to go on threatening others would would not be on the list of viable options. | /r/seduction | 02/04/14 11:00 AM |
| 5 | Epiphany I had while travelling in China"do you want to fight", "I will kill your family", "my dog is more attractive than you" What the fuck kind of fucked up person are you to think this is ok to walk up and say to total strangers? You're also lucky that nobody grabbed you by the throat and called the police or worse. I don't know about China, but in the UK either one of the first two could be sufficient to be charged with an offence for assault or threats. Treat rejection and negativity from others like a foreign language. Filter i… | /r/seduction | 02/04/14 10:55 AM |
| 1 | My OKCupid experiment is over. FINALLY was deleted/banned. x-post /r/OKCupidMany options. Some throw out negative responses as tests. Some are genuinely negative, but get impressed if you still come back without acting like a defensive little shit. Meanwhile many of the neutral ones likely genuinely didn't take notice. | /r/seduction | 07/01/14 06:35 PM |
| 2 | My OKCupid experiment is over. FINALLY was deleted/banned. x-post /r/OKCupidThere are guys on here who's game is like a laser beam, they focus on one girl and one girl only until they've closed, others like you throw out a ton of openers and get tons of reactions, some good, some bad. Neither is better. I don't really agree. I've done the "tons of openers" approach, and the huge downside with it is that you lose the ability to select. You can filter and as you put in more effort, you can raise your bar for who you filter out, but the effort remains high unless you put i… | /r/seduction | 07/01/14 06:18 PM |
| 6 | How smiling changed my lifeKeep in mind used car dealers have a reputation because people do fall for their sales pitches. Thing is, even when we logically recognize someone is playing us, we often still fall for it. For example, people find TV shows funnier when there's canned laughter, even if they recognize that it is canned laughter and hate canned laughter. We're not really as smart as we'd like to think. | /r/seduction | 02/01/14 08:11 PM |
| 2 | How smiling changed my lifeThe point is don't overdo it, and smile for a reason. If you grin like crazy at a girl, and there appears to be no good reason for you to smile, then you come across as attention seeking. That's not in itself bad - if she sees you as being at her level, she might very well be flattered. But if she otherwise would have seen you as higher value, grinning like crazy at her will trigger alarm bells - you can't really be higher value if you're engaging in approval seeking behaviour with her, so she'l… | /r/seduction | 02/01/14 08:08 PM |
| 5 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.Incarceration rates even in the US are not high enough to make much of a difference, and average life expectancy for men is high enough that this does not make a difference during "dating life", especially when taking into account that the acceptable dating age ranges are skewed (e.g. I'm 38, and I find it easier to find 20 year olds that want me now than I did when I was 20). Even if there are 10% more women than men, and with all these other factors, that does not explain the massive differenc… | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 01:25 PM |
| 3 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.Yes and no. I think it's very much that it needs to be set in an acceptable context here. In the right context, such as a club, things goes to extremes here, while daytime is very muted. | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 01:20 PM |
| 8 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.I've got ludicrously little time to get away in the evenings at the moment, but do send me a private message when you come, and maybe we'll manage to arrange something. | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 01:03 PM |
| 7 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.I'm sure you'll find girls who get chatted up a lot in London too, depending on where in town they spend time, as well of course as simply how much time they actually spend walking around outdoors. Down to how they dress and act, of course. But London is very reserved outside of the night life. Someone spending most of their outdoor time around strangers during rush hour on commuting trains might not even get eye contact most days unless they try hard. From trying day game here, most women are a… | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 01:01 PM |
| 3 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.But we tend to try to juggle girls we want to fill the same roles, and so we tend to try to push the amount of time we spend on them up. Notice how the example girls are not. Some of the guy-roles listed does not take much of her time. | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 09:15 AM |
| 6 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.You don't need a big dick. Though it helps. What matters is to stand out in a way that turns her on. If her boot call guy didn't have a big dick, she'd have mentioned something else, like how good he's at eating her out, or whatever. The point is simply that you need to bring something that makes you fun enough in bed and be discreet. The key to the bootycall is that she knows she can call you up, get laid without fuss and enjoy it, and her friends won't find out and call her a slut. | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 09:13 AM |
| 8 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.One one hand, you can't buy the kind of publicity stuff like that protest gave you. Well done. On the other hand, I could tell from a sentence or two into your kickstarter that there'd be a shitstorm of epic proportions. Partly because most people pretty much want to misunderstand the topic of dominance. Secondly because a lot of guys into seduction also misunderstands it, all will pretty much equate dominance to acting like some neanderthal jerk.. What you ought to realise is that domination to… | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 09:06 AM |
| 15 | I interviewed a group of 10 girls about their dating/sexual history and preferences... Here's some of what I learned.Cultural differences, even from city to city, or even neighbourhood, I'd guess. As well as a question of exactly the mix of the girls he interviewed, sure. I'm in London, and here most girls will happily spend days telling you about it if some guy approaches them on the street, and I know a decent number of very attractive women that whine regularly about why men won't approach them. | /r/seduction | 16/08/13 08:37 AM |
| 2 | My advice for online dating profilesThere's certainly plenty of overlap. I'm sure there's plenty of "rude or shallow" members elsewhere too. My main point is that on AFF I have actually tested the response rates (and open rates, since you can pay your way to seeing them) and so I know that at least for my profile cut and paste was a time saver not just in terms of number of messages sent but in actual "bang(s) for the buck" (pun intended...) There's also, to me at least, a difference in what I feel is appropriate. If I'm just look… | /r/seduction | 09/07/13 11:36 PM |
| 8 | My advice for online dating profilesAbsolutely agree. This is an important point. I used to use messages on some sites that would get a steady stream of "you'll never get a girl if you send horrible messages like that" responses, mixed in with the "you got me dripping wet" responses because I was being very in their face about kinks and what I was after to weed out the girls I knew I wouldn't have a chance at chemistry with later. On the same profile I had a picture of me with an angry look on my face and only covering myself up w… | /r/seduction | 12/06/13 03:30 PM |
| 1 | My advice for online dating profilesI agree with not posting just "hi" if you have time and have something to say to someone and actually cares. But sometimes just "blanketing" a larger number of users with "just hi" or something else makes sense just because many of these sites are a numbers game due to the disparity between number of men and women. It depends on the site. E.g. on AFF, which is admittedly a lot more shallow, I did some tests with cut and paste vs. personalised messages, and for me at least they came out the same … | /r/seduction | 12/06/13 03:22 PM |
| 2 | My advice for online dating profilesBe mindful to test on the same sites, though. I've got pics of me that got rated 9 on one site and 6 on another. I don't particularly give a shit about the particular value assigned, but if you make decisions based on ratings from sites that are that different in audience / preferences it's not very useful... | /r/seduction | 12/06/13 03:06 PM |
| 1 | My advice for online dating profilesI live in London so you'd think the population size would mean it was decent, but I gave up on OKC because it seems full of weird girls with looks that just doesn't do it for me to the point where it's the only dating site I've looked at where I struggled to find girls I actually wanted to message. Then again maybe I'm just picky (or difficult) | /r/seduction | 12/06/13 03:03 PM |
| 2 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactYou, my friend, have a luxury problem... If you get more social contact than you can handle, then sure. Here's the great part: Just be selective and focus your attention on the few people who really catch your eye. Being in a position where you can be picky is awesome. | /r/seduction | 28/04/13 03:06 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactDude, this article is talking chin stroking "how you doin" type moves that men learn from books by pick up artists not charming, natural, attractive, flirtatious moves. Those are the same thing. What matters is context, and how they're carried out. You can do the exact same things and have a girl totally melt, and have another guy do it and consider him a total creep. Just think about how different even something as simple as "hi" can come across. That was one of the biggest things for me to lea… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 02:08 PM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactI honest to God do not know a single girl in my circle of friends who would If I had a dollar for every time a girl has said that to me, and been totally wrong.... You don't know what your girl friends like. Deal with it. I think we would all laugh at it, not rudely to your face but if you walked by and did it there would be laughing after you were out of ear shot and comments about how weird that was. Oh, I am sure you would do that. I am also sure that a lot of the time, one of your friends ma… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 12:25 PM |
| 2 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactI'm sure there are areas where you will need to be careful more often. But the reality is that even in pretty bad areas, you not very likely to get problems for reciprocating eye contact, but for continuing to stare when it is obviously not welcome, or for having an agressive stance or facial expression. You'll notice very quickly when it is and isn't welcome. And if you ever get any bad reactions, put you hands up, soften your face, back off and say "sorry, I thought you were someone I know, my… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:49 AM |
| 2 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactI think one of the most powerful moments for me after I'd seen similar advice somewhere before, was when some cashier that I'd seen now and again for a few weeks suddenly "unloaded" on me after I had finally managed to start asking "Hi? how are you?" in most interactions while looking her in the eyes. Especially if you make sure to leave a couple of seconds break to give people a chance to actually give a real response (and realize they're welcome) instead of just treat it as a platitude. She'd … | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:41 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactI feel for you, I've also dealt with approach anxiety for a long time, and even "fixing" my eye contact issues was a big deal for me, which is why I loved this article. I'd suggest following the suggestions in the article for pushing things further, such as sticking your tongue out, smiling, winking etc. As someone has pointed out here, it can come off creepy or douche-y, but to be honest and in my experience, if you keep looking at each other for an extended period of time, either she is intere… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:34 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactIf you have problems maintaining eye contact, the "just be relaxed and comfortable" is not likely to work. At least it never did for me. "Just be relaxed and comfortable" to me meant "avoid eye contact". That relaxed me and made me comfortable. It also made me shit at social interaction. If you get eye contact to "flow" from being relaxed and comfortable, then congratulation, you're doing very well. But another thing I've learned is that if you're relaxed and comfortable all the time, you're als… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:29 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactFirst of all I think you completely miss the point: That advice is not about getting girls, but about increasing confidence. As someone who has dealt with similar confidence issues to the article author, part of my problem was exactly that I was terrified of coming across as a creep. Shy people tends to misinterpret pretty much every social interaction as more negative than it is. A big deal for me was to realize that I could do all kinds of shit, and it doesn't matter. In fact, if it does make … | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:25 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactBullshit. I've practiced using similar methods for many years, and it's never led to as much as an angry comment. All it takes is a bare minimum of awareness. I don't keep staring at guys that stare back and start looking angry. But as a guy, other guys tends to be very quick to look down, and it's often the biggest, baddest looking ones that do it first - "hard" guys are often used to be careful about avoiding eye contact exactly to avoid aggression. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:08 AM |
| 0 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactThink about why it often seems creepy. It seems creepy because it indicates sexual intent or attraction, and that attraction is not welcome. The main determinant of what a woman finds creepy is not what you do, but how you do it and whether or not they consider you as someone they would like to be approached by. I'd be willing to be a lot of money that the same girls would not find it creepy if, say, Brad Pitt winked at them and smiled. Nor if some guy they found hot made a flirty comment and wi… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 11:05 AM |
| 2 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactIf they start looking confused or creeped out, smile, and if they look terrified, look away. But the reality is that most people interpret sustained eye contact much less negative than shy people think they do. In fact, studies show that this is true in general about how shy people interpret social contact (check out Leil Lowndes "Goodbye to Shy" for references). | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:59 AM |
| 5 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactIf you are able to "smile and approach", you are not dealing with the kind of anxieties that cause people to have problems maintaining eye contact, and hence are not in the target group for that article. The reason I submitted the article is because I was in the target for that type of article and when I found it it "spoke to me" as this was exactly the type of approach I finally found and that finally worked for me. It definitively was not over-thinking it for me - it took me many months of pra… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:55 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactPart of the reason it's worth doing, in my opinion is because it is very hard. But there are places that are far easier and harder than others. Commuter-trains in busy cities, for example are total hell (but it can be hilarious to try - people will suddenly find the walls, or their feet, very interesting* and stare intently at them to avoid you). Busy streets are often too, because people won't notice you in between everything else while scurrying to their locations. Parks, on the other hand, or… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:50 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactBut now you have an experience that'll make a fun story to tell girls to create rapport over how annoying it is when guys won't let them go. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:47 AM |
| 4 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactIf you are looking into her eyes for 10 seconds, she is looking into your eyes for 10 seconds. You are seriously over-estimating how weird it would be. It feels weird because you're not used to doing it, and/or because your facial expression is too hard. In fact, looking into your own eyes in the mirror is a great exercise. Leil Lowndes recommended it as one of many approaches to getting better at eye contact in "Goodbye to Shy" which is a book I greatly recommend, and it works. She then recomme… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:40 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactAs an introvert, I don't really want a lot of people I don't know trying to socialize with me because I was staring at them. Especially at a bar. As an introvert, having lots of people you don't know trying to socialize with you is exactly what you need if you want to build confidence and social skills. But no such luck - just giving a little bit of eye contact like that won't have that dramatic an effect. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:32 AM |
| 2 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactThe point isn't to stare, but to look. It is far more creepy to look at someone and immediately jerk your face away if they meet your eyes. It comes across to other people as if you "got caught" looking at them. There's a massive difference between "oh no, I caught someones eye, must look down", looking back for a few seconds, and holding eye contact as if your life depended on it. Of course if you stare at them for minutes, or get into a stare-down with some aggressive guy, yes, it will be cree… | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:31 AM |
| 1 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactI'm a Norwegian living in the UK, and my experience is that what's described in the article works just as well in Scandinavia and elsewhere in Europe as it does in the US. As someone commuting in London regularly, if you think Sweden is reserved, come to London and try to get eye-contact with people on public transport. It's a fascinating "game" as people try very hard not to look you in the face. | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:27 AM |
| 0 | 5 Exercises for better eye contactWhat does having a girlfriend have to do with giving eye contact? | /r/seduction | 25/04/13 10:25 AM |
| 1 | So I joined an Internet dating site whats the best way to approach a random beautiful stranger over the internet?the FIRST thing they are going to do is look at your profile and see if you are even worth responding to. You are wrong. The first thing they are going to do is read the subject, and depending on site, 2/3 or more will move on without even opening your message. The second thing they will do is read the message. Of those, maybe 1/3 will actually view your profile. Even many girls that respond will not have read your profile, depending on site. (source: looking at actual open rates of messages vs.… | /r/seduction | 24/04/13 04:44 AM |
| 3 | Why Americans are the Weirdest People in the world - Very interesting article that may help explain why American seduction tricks don't work as well elsewhere in the worldQuestion for OP: Are you American? Because if so, ironically the headline fits perfectly: Americans are more likely to see themselves as separate from the group. But I am also curious what seduction "tricks" you think don't work as well. Even within the US there are large variations once you get into the "trick" category, while approaches that work on more fundamental aspects of human psychology will be more widely applicable, even if not universal. Much stuff in the "trick" category fails elsew… | /r/seduction | 28/02/13 11:16 AM |
| 1 | List of Body Language actions and meanings to practice!Or, as is generally the case, it means I wanted to cross my legs and am not thinking about being relaxed or defensive. It is when you are not thinking about them they are most likely to actually have the meanings shown. Most of these signals are possible or easy to manipulate if you are conscious of the message you want to put through, but most of us display some or many of these unconsciously when we're not working hard to control our "message". | /r/seduction | 15/10/12 10:29 PM |
| 5 | I have not posted in almost a year but I overheard this gem and thought I would share.Being passionate about just about any viewpoint will get someone to want you to shut up. The thing is, the more controversial or opinionated, on the one hand you'll get told to shut up more, on the other hand when you find someone who shares your views or at least don't find them offensive, then they will be all the more receptive to you. | /r/seduction | 25/08/12 07:15 PM |
| 6 | So within the last month I'm not exactly sure how, but I went from having intense social anxiety to giving almost zero fucks around girls. I don't fully understand why completely but I will explain what happened--maybe it would help.Not OP, but check out /r/meditation . There's also an /r/buddhism, but I'm not following that. /r/mediation has a link to book recommendations in he side bar. One I personally recommend, is Mindfulness in Plain English which is a very secular description of one of the main Buddhist schools of thought on meditation (mindfulness or insight meditation) that I find had a very profound impact on my thinking. | /r/seduction | 23/07/12 06:51 PM |
| 2 | Want 10x more confidence? Stop Watching Porn [Video]Practice holding back, again by controlling the PC muscle combined with slowing down, changing positions etc., and at the same time focus on letting go of conscious thought and just focus your attention 100% on the sensations, and breathe. Get her to breathe with you - breathing near each other, getting close to kissing and pulling back etc., and it can get extremely intense. You might find a lot in this book sounds like complete woo, and a lot of it is, but David Deida "Way of the superior man"… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 04:53 PM |
| 7 | Want 10x more confidence? Stop Watching Porn [Video]I quote Evaluating testis function non-invasively: how epidemiologist–andrologist teams might better approach this task, Human Reproduction (2010) 25 (1): 22-28: Numbers of sperm in the caput-corpus or cauda epididymidis are not different for organs associated with a testis with a high or low daily sperm production (Johnson and Varner, 1988). An emission/ejaculation removes a substantial portion of the available sperm. For decades it has been known that, for many individuals, TSperm increases in… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 03:50 PM |
| 5 | Want 10x more confidence? Stop Watching Porn [Video]Plus, abstaining from release will give you a ton of backed up semen to be released so you can basically fuck all night with relative ease. That's nonsense. Beyond a day or so's worth of semen, the rest gets washed out with your urine. Abstaining can increase your stamina, but the volume of semen has nothing to do with it. Secondly, having an orgasm and ejaculating are not directly connected anyway. It takes exercise (controlling your PC muscle), but you can orgasm without ejaculating, and it ge… | /r/seduction | 02/07/12 01:13 PM |
| 5 | The Toxic 10 scale: 7 Reasons Ditch It Completelywhile looks are subjective. While that's true to and extent, there's a whole lot of reason to assume that a lot of what we find attractive is down to genetics, and there's most definitively a shitload of data that prove that certain features (such as specific eye placement relative to other parts of the face) are considered more attractive by most people than others. A lot of additional features we judge as ugly or attractive comes down to cultural factors beyond our direct control. While there'… | /r/seduction | 16/04/12 07:24 PM |
| -1 | The Definitive Guide to Body LanguageIt puts a barrier between your torso and the other person - it is defensive. | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 06:32 PM |
| 6 | The Definitive Guide to Body LanguageDoesn't really matter if girls say they don't like it -- they still respond to it. In the case of leaning on walls, my experience is they often respond by pointing and laughing (at other guys...). I've been part of enough conversations with girls where they've laughed at "the douchebag leaning on the wall" that I see it as something very few guys pull off. The problem with leaning your back on something is that while it can partially look relaxed, putting your back up against something is also a… | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 08:00 AM |
| 6 | The Definitive Guide to Body LanguageOne thing if you try this: Make sure you're not artificially narrowing your shoulders. Firstly it'll be horrible on your lats, and secondly it'll look ridiculous. Your instructions are good, I just mention this because I've seen people overdo this in ways that make it look like their lats have been stapled together. Another thing is that for some guys "correct" posture will look intimidating. Guys with muscular upper bodies, or who are very tall, might want to sometimes lean back more than norma… | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 07:39 AM |
| 0 | The Definitive Guide to Body LanguageI don't like this one: Rest your left ankle on your right knee. Crossing your legs is a defensive pose. Blocking (putting either thigh so it is between your torso and someone else) closes you off and is a very unfriendly signal right up there with crossing your arms. (source: What Ever Body Is Saying, Joe Navarro) It might very well come off as "dominant" but it will also come off as unfriendly and unapproachable. To top it off, in my experience a lot of girls find it cheesy and it''s pretty clo… | /r/seduction | 15/04/12 07:31 AM |
| 12 | Advice from an experienced, natural 68 year old man. Never divorced with a wife who is still dreamy-eyed for him.Would have dropped / punished / ignored her, been too busy to see her for a while. Her intent is obviously malicious. WTF.. Personally I'd never date someone who didn't sometimes prefer hanging out with her friends rather than me. If I wanted a needy puppy, I'd get one. | /r/seduction | 19/03/12 11:18 AM |
| 4 | A reminder that smiling is so easy and effective.It's fine to have a grin on your face when you're not looking at someone and looks like you're caught up in your own stuff. Being happy is a positive attribute. The trouble is if you're flashing them a huge possibly fake grin from the first moment without any reason. So if you're grinning and then look someone in the eyes, at first pull your smile together and slightly purse your lips (like when you're trying to suppress a smile at some totally inappropriate situation - a "secret" smile), pause … | /r/seduction | 16/03/12 04:56 PM |
| 5 | Is there any way to approach on a public bus?Eye contact is almost only creepy if you keep looking away quickly as if you've gotten "caught" or if you keep an unwavering stare and/or don't smile. Only thing you need to do not to be creepy is to move slowly and slowly pull into a broad smile. Look slowly away if you want to break contact; sudden movements make you look nervous, and by extension creepy. Generally almost all guys hold eye contact too short. If you look away first, you probably held it too short. Keep it longer and longer unti… | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 06:54 PM |
| 9 | Is there any way to approach on a public bus?I've had a girl throw a piece of paper with her phone number on to me while in the company of her sister, on the basis of eye contact alone. And I know a guy that specifically likes to approach girls on the train who listens to their music player (gives him an instant conservation subject by asking about what she's listening to, asking to see her playlist, and making lighthearted fun of her for what's on it). In other words: Limiting belief. | /r/seduction | 13/03/12 02:40 PM |
| 3 | Found this video of a guy using something called the "Cube Game" to close girls. What does /seduction think?I take it you haven't read "The Game". The Cube is "ancient" news. Be aware that it's also one of the most over-exposed PUA routines ever. The Game was a best-seller, and depending on your location, and popularity of the books, a reasonable number of girls may or may not still be aware of it. Supposedly Papa from RSD used it to get Paris Hilton's phone number (according to "The Game") | /r/seduction | 10/03/12 10:29 PM |
| 2 | This belongs here. Just a map of singles by gender and number in American cities.THere's ca. 51% women in the US (source: US Census bureau, National Intercensal Estimates 2010) overall due to different risk profiles during the life (men tends to die younger). In any city with 2 million people or more you would expect that all else being equal, there'd be 40,000 more females than men. But this is ignoring both that all else is not equal - certain professions draw specific genders, for example, so any city with a large military or engineering presence could expect more men, an… | /r/seduction | 06/03/12 01:16 PM |
| 1 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)I am pretty sure you are a shill because I've seen Sasha use shills on other forums, i.e. Roosh V's forum. Whatever. I have better things to do than shill for people I've met 2-3 times a couple of years back. But I guess it's easier for you to consider anyone that disagrees with you a shill than actually challenging your pretty clearly preconceived notions. | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 08:25 PM |
| 1 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)A number close is a good proxy because even if it may "mean close to nothing" (really? if it doesn't, you're doing a shitty job at building attraction), really bad interactions don't lead even that far. That's why there's so much emphasis on it. I agree that in isolation it doesn't mean that much, because you can't immediately tell what the flake rate will be. But when you see the interactions first hand, you do get a decent idea of the quality, as in the example I mentioned when one of the girl… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 07:12 PM |
| 1 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)From my experience, you don't get "disaster" during daygame unless you're way over the top. You might get girls who are slightly annoyed or girls who lose interest or make silly excuses to leave, but generally your responses during the daygame, whether direct or indirect, are far less likely to be in the "disaster" class than during night game What I like about direct day game is that it's quicker. Sure, that means quicker rejection too, and sometime that rejection could've been avoided through … | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 06:07 PM |
| 1 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)I'm not so sure. Given the response I've had from going incredibly direct, I think it's down to personality and I frankly would not be surprised if he'd get very good response from that too. Girls really don't expect to be approached during the day, and they certainly don't expect guys going direct. Girls that would probably shoot you down in an instant in a bar suddenly are all shy and blush and look at their shoes while grinning like little school girls even if you're less than smooth about it… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 04:47 PM |
| 2 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)I did a day game bootcamp with Sasha in London a couple of years ago, because I was (and is) dealing with massive AA. I'm in this weird place that once I'm past the AA I'm just totally fearless, but my AA in cold approaches is fucking paralyzing. Anyway, he demonstrated lots of sets for me, and he actually preferred to demonstrate fairly indirect openers then. He did transition to more direct displays of interest fairly quickly, but for the most part he opened with sometimes fairly contrived sit… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 11:29 AM |
| 1 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)This is what concerned me when I saw NLP was involved. NLP fascinates me, but mainly because regardless whether or not it's total bullshit, a lot of the focus on pacing the way you speak etc. can get you into ways of talking that are hugely attractive. One of my stronger sides is that women more than once have told me that it feels like I'm making love to them when I talk to them... And it's because I use speech patterns that have a lot in common with NLP - varying pitch to emphasize specific wo… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 11:15 AM |
| 6 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)The problem is that 1) you're going to have an abysmal failure rate. The science simply does not support the ability to reliably determine these things. You might do better than random chance, but you'll also misinterpret a whole lot of "signals" because most of the obvious body language signs simply signals increased or reduced stress. See "What Every Body is Saying" by Joe Navarro, an ex FBI profiler, that really busts a lot of myths about what you can and can't tell from body language, backed… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 09:31 AM |
| 7 | I am SASHA DAYGAME - and I will help you GET SOME SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR LIFE! Ask me anything! :)It doesn't matter. It's their way of circumventing uncertainties about escalating. There's no point looking for this - just escalate already. The only thing that matters is whether or not you close. Worrying about IOI's is just a way of rationalizing to yourself why it's ok to escalate (or making excuses for why you don't escalate). A lot of the time girls will show no IOI's, yet you'll still be able to close, or they'll show tons of IOI's but will logistics or other bullshit will prevent a clos… | /r/seduction | 29/02/12 09:08 AM |
| 4 | Ever watch a politician talking to people in action? They utilize every single technique of PUA, except not for picking up women. It's part of how they seem so amazing in person. Whether they are or not is a different story. Watch Obama in action.Isn't every US president trying to figuratively take you all up the ass? I thought that was part of the job description. | /r/seduction | 28/02/12 09:11 AM |
| 6 | Ever watch a politician talking to people in action? They utilize every single technique of PUA, except not for picking up women. It's part of how they seem so amazing in person. Whether they are or not is a different story. Watch Obama in action.And he has the stained dress to prove it. | /r/seduction | 28/02/12 09:08 AM |
| 3 | "Women really DO find the silent, brooding type sexier: Scientists discover happy men are 'significantly less attractive.'" Don't findings like these contradict the idea that we should be the super-positive guy who's talking to everyone?I think they key is don't smile at her for no reason. If you read something funny and you're in a situation where you're around strangers, most people will usually contain massive smiles or laughter. Why? Because those are signals to people around us, and we tend to use them to get attention from people we know. Instead you're more likely to purse your lips a bit and try to contain your smile more than you would around friends. Pursing your lips and doing a "half smile" that way is a sign someon… | /r/seduction | 17/02/12 10:10 AM |
| 7 | Apparently some 4chan user came to the exact same conclusions as Neil Strauss.They also won't cheat if it's a happy relationship. The naivety. You'd be surprised how often married women will either cheat and then rationalize that this is "something they never do, but it just happened", and even more so that there's quite a lot of married women that get off on the idea that they are cheating and doing something wrong, despite being madly in love with their partners and horrified at the thought of harming their relationships. | /r/seduction | 12/01/12 12:07 PM |
| 3 | Amazingly, an honestly self-aware girl (x-post from /r/funny)Translation: "I made a guess with no actual information to support it" | /r/seduction | 10/01/12 02:11 PM |
| 0 | Amazingly, an honestly self-aware girl (x-post from /r/funny)You're a mind reader? Wow. | /r/seduction | 10/01/12 12:36 PM |
| 8 | Amazingly, an honestly self-aware girl (x-post from /r/funny)That leads to only one interpretation. No, it doesn't. | /r/seduction | 10/01/12 11:42 AM |
| 1 | Lessons from day gameSince you don't get 100% of the women you approach, it is a numbers game. The question is just whether you need to approach 100 or 10 or 3. The point he was making is that you need to keep approaching, not get discouraged after a single failure (or 10). Both because you need the practice and because you can't expect a perfect run. | /r/seduction | 01/01/12 09:51 AM |
| 7 | Lessons from day gameMy favorite learning aid, on top of what Anates suggested, because on top of helping you with eye contact, it makes the world a better place: Practice on shop assistants and people at the tills, or anyone in a stationary service position. Next time you go to the shops, notice how most people will fiddle with their wallets and look at it and at most briefly glances up. Almost nobody looks those people in the eyes, often because people are busy getting money out, bagging their stuff etc.. The same… | /r/seduction | 01/01/12 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Lessons from day gameaka she has to be worthy of the direct compliment and your open intention. If she's not worthy of the direct compliment and your open intention, then either you're not being honest about your actual intent when approaching her, or you shouldn't be wasting your time approaching her in the first place. Of course you'll have problems if you approach someone "direct" and everything you tell her is a blatant lie. I find it hard to even accept calling it "direct" if you're lying through your teeth. | /r/seduction | 01/01/12 09:39 AM |
| 8 | This Is What Natural Looks Like. Guy Picks up Model on the street and it is the most natural thing in the world.I thought so too, but at parties and clubs girls are often so guarded because of the situation where they expect to be approached all the time. On the street girls I'd expect to have bitch shields to the extreme were just normal, sweet and totally approachable and open. If you can game ok in a club or at a party, you can totally kill with street game, as long as you dial the intensity way down. EDIT: And the best part? You have way less competition. Just approaching her during the day is a massi… | /r/seduction | 29/12/11 01:12 AM |
| 14 | This Is What Natural Looks Like. Guy Picks up Model on the street and it is the most natural thing in the world.I'm British, here you do not stop people on the street and talk to them unless you are asking for directions or the time Yes, you do. Try it. Even in London this works fine. (You probably mean that it's not the done thing for most people; I agree, and that's probably part of the reason why it works so well) First time ever I did this (with coaching) not a single approach resulted in any kind of bitchy reaction. I got rejection, sure, but the vast majority of the girls smiled, blushed, thanked me… | /r/seduction | 28/12/11 11:19 PM |
| 2 | I Think You're FatHow? I'm intrigued. It clearly has implications far outside of game, but in terms of game it seems to me to match well with direct game in terms of what you'd say. | /r/seduction | 28/12/11 04:19 PM |
| 2 | I Think You're FatIt's likely to work on women that you would otherwise be at risk of supplicating to and/or that have lots of guys supplicating to them. Take the 9 who has every guy fawn over whatever she wears. Telling her that dress she chose makes her look fat sets you drastically apart from everyone else. As long as you do it in a reasonably fun, playful and/or constructive way rather than come off as intentionally hurtful or reactive (e.g. telling her she looks fat in that dress as a response when she calls… | /r/seduction | 28/12/11 04:01 PM |
| 2 | [Study] Oxytocin amplifies your inner extrovertExcept it breaks down in the stomach, so currently the only effective delivery mechanisms are nasal spray or injection. | /r/seduction | 18/12/11 11:29 AM |
| 7 | Study says men misread womens sexual cues (xpost from r/psych)Why the hostility? This study pretty much confirms the validity of several seduction concepts such as "assume attraction". While that misfires a lot, rejection is cheap, and it also gets your the women that are attracted that you otherwise wouldn't think were interested in you. That's the entire point of assuming attraction in the first place. The study also points out that women underestimate mens level of interest, and as such validates the advice to be more sexual to make her aware of your in… | /r/seduction | 17/12/11 11:55 AM |
| 11 | Study says men misread womens sexual cues (xpost from r/psych)So it confirms pretty much what we know: You should be more sexual in your interactions than "most guys", as women will underestimate your degree of interest. You should assume attraction, because while you will be wrong a lot of the time, you will also be wrong a lot of the time when your guess is she's not attracted. Assuming attraction gives you more rejection but also means you stop mistakenly ignoring women who are attracted. You should not be outcome dependent, and ignore IOI's, because yo… | /r/seduction | 17/12/11 11:52 AM |
| 4 | From a chick seddit-reader: Thank you, guys. (And can any other lady-readers comment?)Yes, I do. In general I think it's far easier to get game to work on guys than on girls, as we're not nearly so used to getting approached and we're generally willing to accept a lot more bullshit if the girl is even moderately attractive. Let's face it: Most of us guys would've been consider easy sluts if we'd been girls. | /r/seduction | 05/12/11 09:23 AM |
| 5 | From a chick seddit-reader: Thank you, guys. (And can any other lady-readers comment?)Actually very little was said. It was all very physical, and quite "old-school" game with a quite rehearsed feel to it. Today she'd hopefully be more fluid, but she was self taught and I don't think she'd ever read up on it much and still was miles ahead in terms of awareness of seduction compared to most women. What first made me catch on was some very in your face agressive push-pull and leading me around the club, coupled with some "shared secret". First time I realized was at some point wher… | /r/seduction | 04/12/11 09:08 PM |
| 7 | From a chick seddit-reader: Thank you, guys. (And can any other lady-readers comment?)As a man, I've had the pleasure of coming across a woman with good game once. And it was fantastic. It turns the whole thing into a dance where both parties know exactly what is going on, and it's all fun and playful. I wish more women knew game... | /r/seduction | 04/12/11 05:25 PM |
| 3 | The Passive Pick-Up (or Giving YOUR Number)Connect properly with a woman and give her the impression you're really laid back at the whole thing and imply you have plenty of options (without ever stating it outright), and she'll hound you for sex. I am shitty at picking up women in "real life", but have compensated through persistence and doing well online. But what I am good at is closing once I get decent rapport, and what regularly happen is that once I have rapport with a girl, I can relax and just give her the vibe that it really doe… | /r/seduction | 01/12/11 07:58 PM |
| 1 | The world is full of women who want to get laid and can't.I have absolutely no idea what people consider intimidating. You're female. If you're female and don't look like an ogre, guys will be intimidated. | /r/seduction | 19/11/11 09:30 AM |
| 2 | The No-Fap rule. Really?The problem is that it becomes an outlet that reduces your incentive to deal with your issues. YES, you might very well come off as an oversexed creep if you don't masturbate. But guess what? Based on how you describe yourself, you almost certainly come across as totally asexual to women now. That needs to change. Slow down on the masturbation and especially on the porn. If you are going to masturbate, at least do it fantasizing about going out and meeting someone, or about a woman you find attr… | /r/seduction | 16/11/11 02:26 PM |
| 5 | The No-Fap rule. Really?Masturbation isn't really the problem. Ejaculation is. A lot of tantra comes down to prolonging the sensuality and arousal without ejaculation as a necessary final step. The "no fap rule" really should be a "limit the amount of porn and frequent ejaculation rule". Actually, personally I find limiting the amount of porn to be the most significant aspect of that. It is really desensitizing. | /r/seduction | 16/11/11 02:12 PM |
| 1 | "because cockiness is hot"d being a dick to some girls makes them feel as if they're fulfilling their perceived weaker place in society. I don't agree with this interpretation. Rather, the distinction between cocky and confident is blurry, and a lot of the time people will simply interpret either of the two as a sign that your status is high enough that you don't (feel a) need to supplicate to them. They don't need to feel weaker to get attracted, they just need to feel that you've got options or don't care enough to put… | /r/seduction | 04/11/11 04:34 PM |
| 1 | "because cockiness is hot"For a lot of shy guys, if you ask them to act "confident" they'll still be way too timid. Ask them to be try to be cocky first, and they'll probably overdo it, but it's easier to learn to dial it back. I think that's a good general rule - it's easier to know where the limit is if you step over it and pull back than if you try to hit it right on. Unless overstepping a boundary has very significant bad consequences (e.g. trying to see how aggressive you can get away with being in the face of peopl… | /r/seduction | 04/11/11 04:30 PM |
| 3 | So I had my first kiss last night. At 19. There's still hope, forever aloners.What's to be confused about? She wanted you, and wanted you to man the fuck up and give her a reason to break up with her boyfriend. | /r/seduction | 10/10/11 05:49 AM |
| 3 | So I had my first kiss last night. At 19. There's still hope, forever aloners.I'm 36, and I'm still able to date girls who are young and stupid (and the smart ones too). In fact, most of the girls I end up with are in the 18-25 age range. If anything, picking up the younger women is getting easier the older I've gotten. | /r/seduction | 10/10/11 05:47 AM |
| 30 | So I had my first kiss last night. At 19. There's still hope, forever aloners.Exactly - that just annoyed me; 19 is still well within normal range for not having gotten laid or kissed. | /r/seduction | 10/10/11 05:43 AM |
| 3 | Go to gay bars - sounds stupid but I know for a fact it works [X-post from funny]My only experience with gay guys reaction to me hitting on a girl they were hanging out with was that when I hit on her they started literally cheering me on within her earshot and then proceeded to try to lift her skirt up while I was making out with her to give me "better access". | /r/seduction | 08/10/11 07:46 AM |
| 1 | I've had a crush on a girl for two years now and finally went for the kiss closeHeh. I don't tend to give it more than a week because I'm extremely busy. With a girl I really enjoyed flirting with etc. I might be persuaded to let it go slower, but frankly I consider it a major let down if I don't get laid on either the first or second date with someone I find attractive. It doesn't happen much - I'm to the point enough that most girls that aren't into me enough to be ready for that won't say yes to go out in the first place, which suits me perfectly. (it should be said, I p… | /r/seduction | 07/10/11 06:07 PM |
| 1 | I've had a crush on a girl for two years now and finally went for the kiss closeCongrats on your record, by the way. This is why I always recommend other people do the same. Friends don't let friends have friends they don't have sex with! Oh, I don't mind having friends I don't have sex with - in fact I'd like more. But then with the conscious choice that I'd prefer them as friends (or wings or social proof) rather than as an orbiter hoping for something more. | /r/seduction | 07/10/11 05:58 PM |
| 7 | I've had a crush on a girl for two years now and finally went for the kiss closeMy record was 5, followed by an incredibly awkward situation where I spent a weekend on a class trip sulking until she asked what was wrong at which point I produced a soppy love letter and left while she read it. It went exactly as well as you'd expect. It was such a relief to get rejected, actually, as it finally got me over that damn obsession. These days I move on if I don't get laid within a week or so of seeing a girl. | /r/seduction | 07/10/11 08:28 AM |
| 25 | I've had a crush on a girl for two years now and finally went for the kiss closeNo, no, no. Never ask. Go for it and be prepared to handle the rejection like a man (e.g. show her it's no big deal if it happens). | /r/seduction | 07/10/11 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Need help with AA, kino, leading and being assertive and being confident about yourself? I have found a secret weapon.I'm white and don't have the hips for latin dances WTF. Strength? Flexibility? Looks? Any of those three you get if you actually exercise your hips, and dances that depends on strong hip movement will make a difference. If your hip isn't up to latin dance, then you'd really benefit in overall health from fixing it - you'd reduce your chance of lower back pain while you're at it. | /r/seduction | 16/09/11 08:58 AM |
| 4 | Must I pursue sex ASAP to be successful?TL;DR: I don't like sex without commitment. Do I really have to try to sleep with a girl as early as possible in order for it to be a successful relationship? No, you don't. You do have to escalate, but while most guys aim to escalate to sex as quickly as possible, the only important part is that you keep moving forward and demonstrate your intent to her. That intent might be entirely sexual, or it might be that you do make it clear to her (and you can verbalize this) that you are looking for th… | /r/seduction | 10/09/11 11:24 AM |
| 3 | I hate "The Game" but (seemingly) have to play it to get what I want. Any advice?The simplest rule is this: Always escalate. It is ok to take things slowly as you build a mental connection, but you must show her you're moving forward. You can be explicit about this to an extent, and build tension by talking about what sex and emotions means to you, and what you need from a partner before you take it there, and use communicating those things as part of the escalation, but you must show her that 1) you're interested in her as a potential partner and growing more interested, 2)… | /r/seduction | 06/09/11 10:02 AM |
| 2 | I hate "The Game" but (seemingly) have to play it to get what I want. Any advice?There will always be guys that will consciously or unconsciously game you, but the same is true for girls as well. We all manipulate to various degrees, whether we know it or not. But that doesn't mean people won't also be genuine a lot of the time. While a lot of "game" focuses on learning how to elicit responses, a lot of it the techniques people learn also are about genuinely learning to communicate and understand the other person better. Some people end up becoming total manipulative asshole… | /r/seduction | 06/09/11 09:31 AM |
| 2 | I hate "The Game" but (seemingly) have to play it to get what I want. Any advice?Pick up "Way of the superior man" by David Deida. I'm reading it now, and while I'm not all ecstatic about like a lot of people who recommend it, I think it would give you better understanding of your type of personality. Escalation is about showing intent, not about sex per se. It does not have to be extremely sexual - in fact, making it too sexual too quickly can lead you into a situation where you either need to bang her in the club bathroom or lose her - there's only one thing worse than not… | /r/seduction | 06/09/11 09:06 AM |
| 1 | To all the sedditors living with your parents...Well, since this is /seddit and not /morals; You don't want to read the masthead at r/morals. | /r/seduction | 01/09/11 12:12 PM |
| 4 | xpost from r/sex. Do you go down on girls during one-night-stands?herpes all over your face. You mean cold sores. You can safely assume that a pretty high percentage of people you kiss or eat out have one or both of the herpes simplex viruses in one or the other location (you can get either one orally or genitally, they just have a "preference"), most of them without knowing it themselves. For that matter, depending on your age, chances are pretty high that you might have one or the other already without knowing about it. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about… | /r/seduction | 11/08/11 09:28 AM |
| 2 | Recommendation for Sedditors interested in bettering themselves: yoga.Yes, but the amount of muscle you need is tiny. A couple of sets of crunches 2-3 times a week for a couple of months is enough if your body fat is first low enough for a well defined six-pack. | /r/seduction | 06/08/11 09:27 AM |
| 1 | Recommendation for Sedditors interested in bettering themselves: yoga.Google. Personal referrals. Sites like AFF. It's easy enough, with the caveat that without having a girl (whether girlfriend or fuckbuddy) you can bring, you're pretty much guaranteed to get nowhere. | /r/seduction | 06/08/11 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Recommendation for Sedditors interested in bettering themselves: yoga.I'm amazed how people think middle aged couples with boring sex lives and shitty office jobs with aged, decrypt, failing nonathletic bodies are even close to being attractive. I don't either, which is why the few parties I've been to have all had age limits and required photos to be submitted and pre-approved in advance to ensure everyone that gets invited are attractive and interesting. E.g. in London where I am there are two groups - Fever and Killing Kittens - that both arrange pre-screened, … | /r/seduction | 06/08/11 09:21 AM |
| 2 | Thanks to Seddit, I manned up and asked a girl out for coffee.Edit: I've been here for a while and I still don't know how to quote, bold, italicize etc. Can anyone give me a quick breakdown? much appreciated Click the "formatting help" bit below the lower right hand corner of the text area :) | /r/seduction | 06/08/11 09:13 AM |
| 10 | Thanks to Seddit, I manned up and asked a girl out for coffee.I had a feeling she could be my first girlfriend Whoah. Step back. Maybe it could go there, but you're jumping five steps ahead here, and thinking like that will easily make you come across as needy. I now have a feeling this is the end of her episode. So seddit: Talk to her some more, see if she seems receptive. Try asking her again a couple of times before you give up. It's quite possible nothing will come of it (or it might), but if it doesn't you get practice out of it... But most importantl… | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 03:23 PM |
| 3 | Recommendation for Sedditors interested in bettering themselves: yoga.Recommendation for you based on this: Don't ever go to a proper swingers party... If you think yoga has a high number of odd positions and smells... Well. | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 01:40 PM |
| 2 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?This country is fucked up because the age of consent for sex is sometimes less than 18, but child porn is still anything under 18. This is true in most countries with age of consent less than 18, though what is considered child porn varies a lot. E.g. Samantha Fox posed bare breasted in UK newspapers when she was 16, with the consent of her mom. Still, don't take pictures... Not worth the hassle. | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:41 AM |
| 7 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?This is your last chance to sleep with a 17 year old What? Does he have a terminal disease or something? | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:31 AM |
| 1 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?First off: 26 / 2 = 13 + 7 = 20. OUT OF RANGE. Bah. Fucking nonsense. If she's legal and hot she's IN RANGE. I'm 36, and I still fuck the occasional 18 year old, and I fully intend to keep that going until I'm unable to keep my dick up. | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:30 AM |
| 1 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?I actually think the fact that he's uncertain about it is a redeeming factor. He wants to consider the possible issues, unlike a lot of guys that'll just run headlong into a situation like that and fuck things up both for themselves and the girl. I don't have an issue with the age difference - been there, done that - but it's important that he's aware of the potential drama. In my case I ended up meeting a 16 year old when I was 25. She moved in with me at 17, because she ran into a major confli… | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:28 AM |
| 3 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?You know, a lot of guys actually like eating pussy.... Just like a lot of girls actually like giving blowjobs. | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:20 AM |
| 2 | My hot 17 year old neighbor wants to be FWB. I'm 26. Is this an awful or awesome idea?I was 25 when I met my now wife. She was 16. She snuck out of catholic boarding school to fuck me and get spanked... The key thing for you is going to be to make fucking sure that she knows what she's getting into, and that she knows exactly what you're offering. E.g. if you're going to keep dating other girls, you need to be damn honest about that and make sure she understands or accepts it. Don't lead her on in any way. Even if she doesn't want to fuck you over in any way even if she gets piss… | /r/seduction | 05/08/11 08:10 AM |
| 7 | Exactly What To Say In A First MessageThey're not showing you what phrases these words are included in. You can't drawn any conclusions from most of the data they are providing. In this specific case, for what we know the messages in question that gets replies might be guys saying "I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I don't think you'll be able to handle my huge donkey dick". Likely not, but there are tons of ways of using those phrases in ways that are nothing like an apology. In fact, these types of words and phrases, while c… | /r/seduction | 03/08/11 08:27 AM |
| 24 | Exactly What To Say In A First MessageWhile I love the dataporn that is the OKC blog as much as anyone, it irks me that they keep drawing overly broad conclusions. In particular they keep making correlation = causation assumptions that they have no basis for. E.g. their first example "netspeak=fail" assumes that "netspeak" is the problem rather than other plausible hypotheses, such as for example that it might correlate with otherwise unintelligent replies. Or for that matter, certain speech patterns might correlate with specific ag… | /r/seduction | 03/08/11 08:18 AM |
| 3 | Dealing with a babyface?On a dance floor though where you cant make your attitude as visible things are difficult. WTF? The dance floor is all attitude. | /r/seduction | 31/07/11 08:37 PM |
| 4 | Rookie mistake #28: long online messages.Not only keep it short, but stick to addressing one point or asking one question. Copy the flow and informality of face to face conversation. This can often help in most communication, even business e-mail. In fact, I started doing this as much as possible at work, because I realized that the higher level execs you deal with, the shorter the e-mails usually get (and in fact, the less attention is paid to grammar and spelling...) - they don't want to invest the time in you to write or deal with l… | /r/seduction | 30/07/11 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Why is Facebook so frowned upon here?Most people are completely incapable of taking in more than a tiny fraction of information being conveyed via text. And most people are completely incapable of putting out more than a tiny fraction of the information they want to convey via text. The result is that when you chat with someone, a vast amount is information is lost. The same is true for verbal interaction, but there a lot is compensated for through the modulation of your voice, delays, non-verbal sounds (sighs etc.). In person you … | /r/seduction | 29/07/11 12:05 PM |
| 2 | Do I ever need to apologize for being cocky? DITConsider she gives you a compliment. Arrogant: "Yes, I know. I am awesome." delivered entirely deadpan and without hint of irony or humor, and with a bit of a dismissive, condescending attitude - e.g. "why is she telling me this, I already know I am, who does she think she is?". Cocky: "Yes, I know. I am awesome," delivered upbeat and perhaps a bit exaggerated, and with a big grin that makes it clear that while you're confident about what you're being complimented about, you don't take it too se… | /r/seduction | 29/07/11 10:01 AM |
| 7 | Some vile and vapid advice these 'nerd loving' girls on my facebook keep posting.I've been in an open relationship for years, and a couple of years ago I actually accidentally arranged to meet another woman for sex on my wedding anniversary... Oops. | /r/seduction | 28/07/11 10:04 PM |
| 3 | Let's talk about going to bars alone. . .They don't even need to "know you" as much as see you appear to know a lot of people. That in itself is enough to get more people to open you whether because you are faking social proof for yourself or simply because it makes you seem like the friendly sort of really open person that is really low risk to approach. And it's a self-perpetuating circle. I think especially for people who are weak at approaching (I still consider myself in that category, after battling massive AA), low impact stuff … | /r/seduction | 23/07/11 05:25 PM |
| 11 | Let's talk about going to bars alone. . .Touch random people. Seriously. Consider this in addition to the other advice here, or if you have AA when going out alone, use it to "warm up": Go into the busiest area of the bar and whenever you pass someone, grab their shoulder to get past or pat people on the shoulder, upper back, or chest (alternative for guys). Look at their face as you do. Smile, nod, say hi, thank them for making space. Shake their hands if it feels natural. It gets you used to being more touchy feely, but it also makes… | /r/seduction | 23/07/11 01:06 PM |
| 15 | Let's talk about going to bars alone. . .He's going up to introduce someone else, so he's "harmless" from the perspective that he doesn't hit on anyone, and thus less likely to hit a bitch shield (the other guys though, might easily end up walking right into it). He's playing the cool well connected guy that brings people together. People love that guy even when they're confused about why he's there, because it makes people feel special. So he's flying under the radar rather than signalling his intent from the start as the guys he's in… | /r/seduction | 23/07/11 12:52 PM |
| 1 | The Napkin Rose, or how I got over AA and learned to love the gameExactly, and you can counteract the "trying really hard" part by making it a part of a push-pull; so impress her with something like that, then leave or ignore her and shift attention to the rest of the group if there are other people around etc. | /r/seduction | 21/07/11 06:17 PM |
| 3 | The Napkin Rose, or how I got over AA and learned to love the gameSince it was a recording from RTL I was really confused, as I was expecting it to turn into softcore porn at any moment. The way that girl kept glancing over at David Copperfield did nothing to lessen my confusion about the matter. | /r/seduction | 21/07/11 06:14 PM |
| 1 | Asians in the US/UK...how bad is it, really?Ignore them. An aussie accent is common enough that it's not likely to give any massive advantage, but keep in mind that pretty much half of Britain wants to emigrate to Australia (ok so I'm slightly exaggerating), so there's still a lot of fascination with Australia and Australians here. Back it up with selling them the dream of bringing them closer to living on the beach and hugging koalas :P But seriously, women here have a weird fascination with accents well beyond what I've seen anywhere el… | /r/seduction | 19/07/11 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Asians in the US/UK...how bad is it, really?Aussie accents might not be "special" in the UK, but women still love them. UK women love almost all foreign accents. | /r/seduction | 19/07/11 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)The whole idea is to play game without it being totally obvious that it's what you're doing. ... which means you miss the point of the example. The point is explicitly to ridicule the very idea of game to her, while at the same time demonstrating you're completely unphased by her test. Overplaying bad seduction stereotypes to a woman works great at disarming her, as long as it seems clear to her you're joking. It shows her you understand that what she sees as game is cheesy, and done well it's' … | /r/seduction | 16/07/11 12:23 AM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTI'm a little wary of doing the FR in notebook thing (just seems a little weird/creepy, not to mention what it would be like if someone found it). Then put in on Google docs or livejournal under a pseudonym, or whatever makes you comfortable. But write stuff down. It makes a big difference. Consider it a diary, but with more detail about conversations and positive observations of interactions with people than about what you do. In the beginning, yes, it'll be weird, but as you improve the content… | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 03:07 PM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTPart 7 Go to smaller parties and work your way up. Go to parties for short periods of time and work your way up. Arrive early while there are fewer people around if that helps you start talking to people, so when there are more people you already know someone there. Set yourself a goal for any social function. E.g. improving eye contact, or fixing your posture, or smile more, or talk to x number of people. Make it achievable, but keep pushing for more than last time. Find a wing and make sure he… | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 01:04 PM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTHere's the quick and dirty summary. The book suggests that you follow the various recommendations pretty much according to what makes you most anxious (so according to a graduated exposure list) so don't be intimidated by any of them - just do them when you're ready. Go buy the book when you can afford it - it has lots more detail and is well worth it :) Part 1: The first part is about how to deal with playing down your shyness to others. Generally people don't care, can't tell and don't really … | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 01:04 PM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTAlas, I pretty much ignored her the next day and from then on. Pretty much completely confident physically but completely incompetent socially/emotionally. This reminds me, I have this girl I need to get back to - she texted me "want to fuck me?" after we exchanged some flirty texts, and she was out when I called her to set something out, and as a result I've ignored her for pretty much a week... How is that for avoidance? :) I still have to keep very much an eye out for crap like that, because … | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 08:57 AM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTTo an extent I agree, as long as you focus on the right things. Anxiety is often caused by irrational fears of rejection or future reactions, and so it's not necessarily going to help, but yeah, many people can certainly remove some of it and shut down some fears if you know that you've learned lots of ways of making the approach "harmless". E.g. if you know you have memorized X number of routines that lets you choose to have a normal conversation it may let you "override" and shut down anxietie… | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 08:13 AM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTGraduated exposure therapy -- isnt that just like talking to progressively hotter girls? If you can't talk to cute girls than talk to female employees at the mall. If you can't even do that, try striking up conversations with guys, grannies, whatever. If you can approach without much anxiety, then yes, that's GET adjusted for someone who can already approach, sort of. Generally you would also want to learn coping mechanisms for the anxiety too. If you have anxiety, exposure while retaining the a… | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 08:07 AM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTI got off my ass years ago. My anxiety is largely resolved. Thanks to finally figuring out the things I wrote about at great length. Hence why I'd rather that other people who are in the situation I was in don't have to waste as much time as I did. | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 08:00 AM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTI'm sympathetic, but I disagree. A lot of guys need encouragement to get over the fear of approaching women. I agree they need encouragement. What I don't agree with is giving blanket advice that is wrong to a lot of people. Your situation is exceptional. I very much doubt it is. Depending on who you believe, somewhere between 5% and 15% of people have actual social anxiety. My case is nowhere near the strong end of that spectrum, and might not even qualify as social anxiety (vs. "just" shyness)… | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 04:03 PM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTThat's an odd question. To learn more about seduction of course, and to discuss it. There's a lot of good stuff here. The only thing that gets to me is the AA thing, because of how long I feel I wasted on bad advice in that area. | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 03:26 PM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTIt is the most common mental disorder. Estimates for the US is ca. 20 million people affected of social anxiety alone. In terms of shyness the spectrum is vast - most people (something like 80%) go through periods in their life where they are shy, but most of them will be relatively mild and will get over it. There's likely a significant overlap and the line between shyness and social anxiety is very blurred. There's not really any generally recognized single cause, but part of the solution lies… | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 03:23 PM |
| 3 | Over at r/atheism, it is generally a rule not to stick it in a fundy. How do you guys feel about pursuing religious girls?Did you miss the "I used to date a catholic girl" bit? I did not make the assumption that she was catholic just because she went to catholic boarding school. | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 02:48 PM |
| 8 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FAST[Bah, this turned into another huge wall of text, but I care greatly about this because of how it affected me.... TL;DR: Anxiety and shyness are related; shyness often results in masking anxiety by avoiding situations that would trigger it; you can't really tell if someone are anxious or shy; anxiety symptoms are pretty much the same as strong fear, the main difference is anxiety is not based on a concrete "threat", but a generalized fear of the situation and future consequences of it; push thro… | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 02:47 PM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTBecause people with real anxiety, or even strong degrees of shyness, for whom this advice is not beneficial in my experience make up a very significant portion of those who have (persistent) problems with AA, yet many - perhaps even most - of those with strong enough anxieties to face real problems with that advice have not seen their anxieties as something to seek professional help for. This is not helped by the insistence in the seduction community that overcoming AA is just about "manning up"… | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 01:51 PM |
| 17 | Over at r/atheism, it is generally a rule not to stick it in a fundy. How do you guys feel about pursuing religious girls?Religious nutcases are often crazy in bed. If they first decide to be "bad" many of them decide they might as well do it properly. I used to date a catholic girl that faked e-mails from her guardian (she was 16; legal here) to get her out of catholic boarding school for the weekends to have me spank her and treat her like a whore on a regular basis. Good times. Just make sure they realize you're atheist, and make it clear that if they bring up religion, you're out of there. | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 10:32 AM |
| 6 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTMy first weeks sarging were 90% about destroying AA and 10% about closing. You don't deal with clinical anxiety in that kind of timeframe, which means your AA was weak to trivial to begin with. but the solution is not sitting at home and thinking about it, it's having the proper mindset, approaching sets We agree that you need to go out and do something about it, but trying to force yourself past AA by approaching if you're dealing with actual anxiety as opposed to getting a bit nervous is not h… | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 09:53 AM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTYour AA will disappear. Pet peeve: This assumes your "AA" is not particularly strong to begin with. People with actual social anxieties often need a long period of graduated exposure and methods to lessen their anxiety while doing so before making the first approach is even an option. | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 08:51 AM |
| 1 | MGM pick up the rights to Neil Strauss's The Game - Could this threaten the seduction community (if there is even one)?It's been brought up in old posts on RSD Nation, I believe, or possibly their newsletter, though I failed to find it when searching for it (terms like "the game" and "natural" don't exactly narrow things down much over there :) )... But while searching for it, I found this amusing snippet from 2006, which seems to support your point that this is unlikely to be made: Hey guys, i live in LA, and i bump into "industry" people every day. I found out the Style is working on a movie about pickup. This… | /r/seduction | 12/07/11 08:42 AM |
| 1 | MGM pick up the rights to Neil Strauss's The Game - Could this threaten the seduction community (if there is even one)?It might cause pickup to evolve somewhat, that isn't a bad thing. Case in point, the RSD guys makes a big deal of how the book release of The Game practically destroyed them both because of the overall portrayal of seduction, but also because they - especially Papa - got pretty brutal treatment. According to them, when they found out about the book, Papa immediately made the decision they had to drop all their routine based stuff and "go all natural". They claim that while it came close to destr… | /r/seduction | 11/07/11 08:03 PM |
| 2 | A post on the "alpha-male", confidence building, and the age-old "what to say" question.I think the main take-away is that you need to keep tabs on how it affects you. As I wrote, I don't think the science actually justifies saying that it can't work for any low self-esteem people, but that low self-esteem people are more likely to see negative than positive effects. So if you see noticeable benefits from them, then I don't think there are any reasons to stop doing it. But as general advice, it needs that major caveat that people shouldn't be using them blindly. | /r/seduction | 11/07/11 12:45 PM |
| 2 | A post on the "alpha-male", confidence building, and the age-old "what to say" question.If a beautiful woman telling you you're sexy would shoot your confidence through the roof, then trust me you CAN tell yourself the same thing and it will have no less effect. Citations needed. Research indicates that affirmations may actually be more likely to have negative effects than positive effects for people who have low self esteem to start with. It doesn't mean no low self-esteem people can benefit from it, but many low self esteem people will also find themselves thinking more negative … | /r/seduction | 11/07/11 09:42 AM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this![citation needed] | /r/seduction | 10/07/11 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this!I am not in the fucking UK: where the defenseless stay defenseless. ... yet where we're still considerably less likely to be subject to violence. You have spawned a massive argument based on the misreading of my original comment Thanks the same. If I am talking to your girl, you say "no, you better not do that buddy," I continue, and you attack me with proper parameters, there is no ambiguity there: lethal force is alright in this region of the United States. Period. ... which was not the situat… | /r/seduction | 08/07/11 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Guys, please don't do this!The point is this was not the situation being discusssed. If you think injury that will have you "end up in the ER" is not worth lethal force, well, sorry, in this legal system in the majority of states it is. There was no talk of that. In the situation being discussed nobody had even threatened violence. In fact no threat had been made at all. All that had happened was that someone had acted in a way that meant there was reason to think he might become a threat if OP had proceeded to act like a… | /r/seduction | 08/07/11 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this!That's a very different scenario than the one described by OP - in that case he'd already have committed assault in many jurisdictions (in the UK for example, assault does not necessitate physical contact, but merely a strong reason for a reasonable person to believe they are at threat of violence). If he was sufficiently larger than you, and you were cornered, you might get away without jail for it in that case, but only if you genuinely had reason to fear for your life and had no other means o… | /r/seduction | 08/07/11 08:53 AM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this!Yes it is, and it would end you up in jail for at least manslaughter in most jurisdictions, and murder in quite a few. In most Western countries just pulling the gun would put you in jail unless it was an intrusion into your own home or you had no way to remove yourself from the situation. Besides, nobody made any threats about putting anyone in the emergency room. Korbino just went off making assumption about some scenario because I pointed out that trying to reason with psychotic orbiters puts… | /r/seduction | 08/07/11 08:07 AM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this!Huh? Reading comprehension much? I implied that trying to reason with someone who is clearly jealous and full of issues is stupid. It is just as stupid to do even if you carry a gun, as it might put you in a situation where you end up using it. Frankly your response seems fairly psychotic, and is exactly why I'm very happy I live in a country with strict gun control. | /r/seduction | 08/07/11 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Guys, please don't do this!but sometimes the best way to disarm someone with an attitude is with polite, honest questions about their behavior "Sorry, but don't you think she's capable of deciding how to interact with people?" Now you haven't given him an excuse to mouth off or take a swing. The cue being "sometimes". Of course we don't know exactly what this situation was like, but generally I'd be vary of doing this, as I've seen too many instances of guys like that going apeshit if they're confronted with someone quest… | /r/seduction | 07/07/11 09:13 PM |
| 7 | Guys, please don't do this!It won't ever happen to me because I'm not retarded enough to risk my health when faced with someone who could do real damage, just to talk to some girl. Doesn't matter if the risk is only, say 1% that he'll actually hit and hit hard enough to cause damage. I'm perfectly happy to take significantly greater risks when it's actually worth it, but some random girl in a club or bar that I don't know and that's spineless enough to allow some psychotic orbiter to stay around is not worth even a tiny r… | /r/seduction | 07/07/11 08:58 PM |
| 11 | Guys, please don't do this!I'm sure they'll take good care of you in the emergency room. | /r/seduction | 07/07/11 06:55 PM |
| 3 | Interesting and well-written article arguing against the PUA industry (please don't downvote, would rather like to hear Seddit's rebuttal against this article.)No, they really don't. | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 05:53 PM |
| 5 | Interesting and well-written article arguing against the PUA industry (please don't downvote, would rather like to hear Seddit's rebuttal against this article.)If they continue forever, it's a sign that she's worried you're not the kind of man you try to portray to her and/or she is intensely insecure, or you are showing her you are weak by not shutting them down early on. In none of these cases is it a sign of a particularly healthy relationship. It's by no means universal, nor something that's worth putting up with. If the shit tests aren't over within the first ten minutes or so, I walk away, and I don't put up with a girl trying to restart shit-tes… | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 03:40 PM |
| 6 | Interesting and well-written article arguing against the PUA industry (please don't downvote, would rather like to hear Seddit's rebuttal against this article.)He's saying its not almost never the case. Women are naturally attracted to men. Sure they are. But they rarely approach for cultural reasons, so any man who is hoping to sit back and get approached will get robbed of choice. Be confident, be as attractive as possible, be genuine, and you are going to get laid, PUA technique or not. That is easy to say. Not easy to do if you don't know how to be confident, how to be as attractive as possible, or how to come across as genuine. This pretty much de… | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 12:09 PM |
| 6 | Interesting and well-written article arguing against the PUA industry (please don't downvote, would rather like to hear Seddit's rebuttal against this article.)The irony of it is that the way to make women change the way he wants them to is for men to learn seduction skills. If most men were awesome guys with interesting lives who knew seduction skills, then a lot of the "tactics" women use today would either be unnecessary (less need to screen, for example) and/or useless (we'd all push through shit-tests effortlessly, so why give them?), and men would be far less needy by virtue of having choice, so women would need to be more active to get the best … | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 08:42 AM |
| -1 | Interesting and well-written article arguing against the PUA industry (please don't downvote, would rather like to hear Seddit's rebuttal against this article.)I just skimmed it, and what I saw seemed to be some of the most misogynist crap I've read in a long time. Given how a lot of feminist see PUA techniques as some sort of ultimate evil, it's ironic to see a criticism of PUA techniques criticize it on the basis that it's buying into a feminist agenda of maintaining some sort of imagined female superiority. It doesn't help that he has an incredibly flawed idea of what is viewed as "good" pickup. E.g. he seems to believe that the goal is to do what t… | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 08:28 AM |
| 10 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)What I'm getting from that is "oops, you rejected me; let me try to save face by pretending I didn't walk over to pick you up". Unless you manage to be so totally deadpan that she buys it. Actually, I might have to try saying "Oops, you rejected me; let me try to save face by pretending I didn't walk over to pick you up.", then switch to exaggerated happy voice and do your line and ask her afterwards "How was that?" in a normal voice. | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 10:14 AM |
| 10 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)Go "what about these ones?" and start churning through the most cheesy lines you can think of and ask her to rate them. Only good if the lines are so ridiculous there's no way she'd think you're being serious. | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 10:09 AM |
| 4 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)Not if you actually show interest in them as persons rather than do the AFC thing and either back off, try to convert them or act all excited. And a good looking lesbian would make awesome social proof and/or an awesome wing. | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 10:07 AM |
| 4 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)If you do get asked that question, it's likely a shit-test - she wants to see how full of yourself you are. I'm fairly muscular too, and while I haven't had girls flat out ask this, there's a lot of groping going on. You're better off getting mock offended at how she's only after you for your body, or pretend to be all timid and tell her you're really shy about how weak you look, or otherwise just play up to how she's objectifying you and your muscles are really not that interesting to you. Now … | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 10:03 AM |
| 8 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)If with guy, tap them on the shoulder and ask if you can cut in. Then pretend to go in for the guy. | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 09:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's play the non reactive game (version 1. Game 1)That's exactly why. On one hand it shows her you're not phased by what she just said. On the other hand, if she's shit-testing you she's assuming you're hitting on her. Calling her your "little sister" is completely jarring with you approaching her and trying to pick her up, so it forces her to reevaluate you and sets you apart from other guys. It can also defuse a lot of her defenses, as if you're calling her your little sister and she then tries to call you out on wanting her for sex, it just … | /r/seduction | 01/07/11 09:41 AM |
| 2 | If you meet eyes with a girl, what reaction from her tells you that shes interested?I am in Europe and have lived in Europe all my life, and travelled extensively in Europe, and all of what I say applies in the dozen or so European countries I've spent time in. Most of what I wrote is also decidedly not cultural, based on travel elsewhere as well. | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Find out how to conquer jealousy...Benford's law definitively does not work that way. First of all, it's empirical - it describes real life situations, it does not proscribe them. In other words, there's plenty of data that violates it (simple example: average distribution of dice throws with a single dice). Secondly, it requires data to be distributed over multiple orders of magnitude. | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Find out how to conquer jealousy...Chances are pretty high other girls you've fucked were in relationship or married and just didn't bother telling you. If you've had more than a handful of casual partners, it's virtually certain it's happened to you. | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 03:34 PM |
| 2 | If you meet eyes with a girl, what reaction from her tells you that shes interested?Fuck this shit: You'll miss most girls IOI's because you're a guy, and we're shit at observing girls body language - yes, even those of us who pay attention to it - and she's a girl, and girls are shit at knowing when they're being too subtle. Your personality type massively affects what you interpret as IOI's and what you'll "write off". Shy people interpret other peoples signs massively more negative than others, so if you feel unsure about approaching without an IOI, you're at the same time i… | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Meeting a girl from online in an hour. Last minute tips?Talk a little about yourself if there is a lull in the conversation, Silence is ok if you hold strong eye contact and seem to be observing her without looking nervous. I almost never try to fill a lull in the conversation - I let her do that. If she's even the slightest bit interested, she'll feel compelled to find something to talk about, and she'll get nervous and feeling nervous when talking to someone in a date situation is something most people interpret as a sign that they're attracted, wh… | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 11:28 AM |
| 7 | New style of game?Isn't this just another way of phrasing "be the prize" which is a well established principle? | /r/seduction | 29/06/11 11:02 AM |
| 1 | [Sociology] Shyness: Evolutionary Tactic? (more in comments)Agreed. We're also the analytical ones, the ones more likely to learn by observation and study; the ones most likely to actually bother spending the time to learn these things from teaching material. There's a reason so much old-school game was "push button" step by step routines designed for people who'd ideally like flow charts of every possible outcome... | /r/seduction | 27/06/11 03:15 PM |
| 1 | How to overcome fear and approach a girl?Can you approach at all while sober? If so, the simplest advice is simply this: Approach as much as you can. Pick the hardest sets you can approach without agonizing over it. Don't aim to succeed all the time - aim to fail and learn to ignore failure - if you can deal with being rejected without caring, you can deal with anything. Step up the difficulty as it's getting simpler, and start spending more time trying to push the conversations further. If you can't, then alcohol isn't going to be a m… | /r/seduction | 27/06/11 02:55 PM |
| 3 | How to I get a social life ... from scratch ?You left out one critical piece: How shy are you? E.g. have you tried walking up to a stranger and introducing yourself, for example? What's your reaction if you try (do you manage? panic? stall? what?) What about around people you sort of know? That makes a massive difference in how to approach this. If you're not really all that shy (e.g. you're able to force yourself to say hi to strangers, for example vs. being absolutely unable to), but just not experienced with social situations, the advic… | /r/seduction | 26/06/11 01:02 AM |
| 3 | When in doubt, Don't do anything.Please be a troll. | /r/seduction | 24/06/11 11:24 AM |
| 3 | Seddit, my OkC profile (w/notes)I'm more curious as to how much you do to get your profile opened that much in the first place. Is that mainly from writing messages, or from other activities to get your profile noticed? | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 09:50 PM |
| 4 | [FR] My first daytime approach! Finally. No results, but good feedback.I did a bootcamp of sorts with Sasha at daygame.com last year. It was a real eye opener. For me it was mainly about figuring out how to overcome my AA during the day, but he really drove home just how much you can get away with with his demo sets. If you're in London, I'd highly recommend it. He did demonstrate the "I swear this isn't a robbery" (while pulling back and putting his hands up), and it got a few laughs, but more importantly it disarmed anyone that seemed spooked by the initial appro… | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 02:19 PM |
| 1 | [FR] My first daytime approach! Finally. No results, but good feedback.Direct works fine during the day. She won't get on the defensive much most of the time. The most likely difference for you is that she's far more likely to get caught by surprise and get all flustered and unable to come up with anything to say during the day, because it doesn't happen much. The girl you talked to is totally right about girls not getting approached much during the day. Even really hot ones. My wife is far above average and even has girls coming up to tell her her she's unusually … | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 01:52 PM |
| 3 | DJ Fuji here to answer your questions!I don't have as much experience with latinas as I do with black girls, but really pretty much the same thing except the hair thing obviously doesn't get you anywhere. But to generalize that advice: For girls from any culture, country or language other than your own, it helps massively to learn something about their shared cultural experiences that people that aren't really interested in their culture (as opposed to just after fucking her) or have had friends of the same culture will know. So if … | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 10:43 AM |
| 2 | DJ Fuji here to answer your questions!Jealously plotlines is basically about getting two (or more) girls "fighting" over you by letting both of them see that the other is attracted to you, and alternating attention between them. It's great when trying to attract someone for sex, but in a relationship it can easily fuck things up massively by making her insecure about your commitment and less trusting of you, amongst others. | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 10:18 AM |
| 5 | DJ Fuji here to answer your questions!Practice eye contact. Practice saying "hi" to kids you pass that you don't know. Walk up to anyone and everyone in social gatherings and introduce yourself and get involved in the situation. Essentially throw yourself into every social interaction you possibly can that you have the balls to. Ignore rejection - it's not personal for the most part - they don't know you yet. School kids are particularly cruel - if you can stand your ground and keep your confidence through rejection by school kids, … | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 10:10 AM |
| 11 | DJ Fuji here to answer your questions!Dude. You're hanging out with two bisexual girls. Please, please, please tell me you've sat them down and asked if they'll be your wings? You have the most awesome opportunity for great social proof from someone who knows how to read signs of attraction from women and who'll be instantly seen as non-threatening by the girls. Be honest with them. Admit to them that you're a virgin because of how shy you were and that you've been working hard to improve and that's probably why she didn't see you a… | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 10:00 AM |
| 2 | DJ Fuji here to answer your questions!It's nothing to do with being easy. In fact, they can give some serious attitude, and certainly if you let them realize you think they might be easy, or are only after them for their racial background. They are also often far more confident and less willing to settle than white girls. Try eye contact with a black girl, and she's likely to stare you down with a disdainful look long after a white girl would've looked away and gone beet red. But in my experience with black girls at least they tend … | /r/seduction | 22/06/11 09:52 AM |
| 1 | If you're using OKC more than you're going out...A month?!??!? I've never kept things going for more than a week before I expect to meet or stop talking. I couldn't imagine keeping it going that long. | /r/seduction | 21/06/11 08:38 PM |
| 2 | If you're using OKC more than you're going out...How much time did you invest in meeting this girl? If you didn't invest much, then indeed, why stop. This advice is aimed at people that invest more time on OKC than on going out. On OKC and any site like this, you're perpetually at a disadvantage: Everyone dare "approach" on these sites, so girls that would normally never get approached get deluged in messages. Offline is "harder" in that you need more skill - you can do ok online just by being persistent enough -, but once you overcome your li… | /r/seduction | 21/06/11 10:37 AM |
| 2 | If you're using OKC more than you're going out...I've invested lots of time on that site in guys who simply will not meet offline. That's your mistake. Don't invest lots of time in anyone on any online site before getting a phone number, and don't spend lots of time on the phone before meeting. You're investing as much time as you would in dates anyway, and you're learning far less about them and build a far weaker connection. | /r/seduction | 21/06/11 10:29 AM |
| 9 | Woman's view on physical escalationShe will make it obvious if she doesn't want it. This is the key. So many guys seems to operate on the assumption that she will make it obvious if she does want it, but a lot of the time girls will feel too forward if they do that, and/or they want a man that takes charge, or they're worried about coming off as a slut, or any number of other things. Girls aren't fragile little things that can't say no or otherwise signal when they're uncomfortable or don't want something... | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 08:14 AM |
| 7 | Woman's view on physical escalationJust tell him already. Even if you get tired of him, tell him for his and his future girlfriends benefit. Sit him down and explain to him that women want men to take initiative. I'm speaking as someone who was that guy, several times. The first time it happened I was literally speechless. I could not understand how a woman could dump me because I hadn't pushed for sex fast enough, because it was just not in my reality that a woman wouldn't want to be romanced for ages first... In retrospect I sh… | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 08:10 AM |
| 3 | Woman's view on physical escalationThat being said, I don't normally like to game or escalate with girls that don't appreciate / want it. You don't know if she'll appreciate it until you try and see if you get knocked back. The key is to just not jump five steps ahead, and not being either a creepy douche, asshole or wimp when you occasionally get a signal from her to cool things down. She'll tell you either with words or obvious signals if you start going to fast. If she's not occasionally signaling you that you're going to fast… | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 08:02 AM |
| 3 | Woman's view on physical escalationIt probably doesn't apply to every girl, but on the other hand I used to regularly lose women because I didn't escalate enough, but only ever have lost one woman to escalating too quickly, and even then only because I was boneheaded and didn't pull back before I retried the exact same thing she rebuffed the first time - it pissed her off after a while :) In one case, a girl I'd had a long time crush on even discussed my lack of escalation with her mom and her mom agreed with her that she ought t… | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Got too caught up with playing it cool. Lost a girl I really cared about.Well, then I guess you took it too far, and it's best to take things back towards were you were. You'll find the balance soon enough. And don't worry much about it, fixing these things will soon help you find someone new. | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Got too caught up with playing it cool. Lost a girl I really cared about.I think that the part of "try being yourself" you should pay attention to here is to not worry too much about how much nice guy vs. asshole you should be, or how cool to play it - do what feels right. The thing is, I'm assuming you've read up on a lot of material on avoiding being needy etc. All that will be at the back of your head, and so as long as you pay attention and don't let things just float, if you do what feels right to you, you will soon enough notice if you start falling too far bac… | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 09:33 AM |
| 1 | Got too caught up with playing it cool. Lost a girl I really cared about.But in this case not being himself has cost him two girls, of which at least one was one he really wanted. | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Need to be naughty?We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I have met plenty of sexually repressed girls that turn out to have these types of fantasies, and I have never come across a girl such as the one you described that didn't have any significantly wilder fantasies than that. EDIT: To be clear, when I am talking about repressed girls here, I am talking about girls that are often ashamed of these fantasies, and/or that try very hard to present a conservative facade, and that often find it emotionally dif… | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 05:12 AM |
| 5 | Need to be naughty?I think it's particularly tricky for women. A guy can get away with wanting stuff they see in porn, but if a woman admits to enjoying even a fraction of that, they're labelled slutty, like OP does. Yet, in my experience women usually have far kinkier and far more inventive fantasies than most guys, and generally have far better chances at getting opportunities to live them out if they want to. I think OP is going to be very disappointed if he doesn't adjust the way he views women and/or stops as… | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 09:24 PM |
| 1 | Need to be naughty?The sexually repressed girls usually have the most fucked up fantasies, too... They're the ones that usually admit to fantasizing about fucking Daddy or a horse, or want to be whipped or similar... (and yes, I've had girls tell me they've fantasized about all three of those). If you want kinky sex, getting a "sweet and innocent" girl to trust you enough to losen up and start exploring her fantasies is a pretty good bet. | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 09:15 PM |
| 7 | Need to be naughty?Sexuality is normal. Of course they want to be "naughty". Your behaviour make them think they can reveal their real desires to you instead of being restraint by the societal constraints that makes them play "sweet and innocent". They may not have done all that much, but almost all of them will have fantasized about far worse stuff than you'll possibly imagine. The "'sweet and innocent" is an illusion after the onset of puberty. | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 06:04 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Being a trooper: Kiss close HB8 stranger. Same-night pull HB2. Yes, HB2. Both are first-times for me in my home city.At least you're realizing it and seeking advice here instead of continuing to do the same mistakes over and over again like most guys would.... Next time will be better. | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 10:00 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Being a trooper: Kiss close HB8 stranger. Same-night pull HB2. Yes, HB2. Both are first-times for me in my home city.I've been there, and frankly unless your ancient it's 99% certain that it was because you wasn't into her. Man, I've made up some shitty excuses to avoid hurting feelings back when I was desperate enough to try it on with an ugly girl or two. My advice is don't do it. It's not worth it. You'll feel like shit about it. Set your standards and stick to it, and stop supplicating to the prettier girls - you've number closed and kiss closed good looking girls - it proves you're good enough, and you wi… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 09:58 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Being a trooper: Kiss close HB8 stranger. Same-night pull HB2. Yes, HB2. Both are first-times for me in my home city.Some people refuse to use HB for anything below 5, and use UG instead, for good reason. No points for guessing what it's short for. | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 09:54 AM |
| 3 | [FR] Being a trooper: Kiss close HB8 stranger. Same-night pull HB2. Yes, HB2. Both are first-times for me in my home city.Yeah.. that shit right there baffled me so hard. You're rolling in style, then become apologetic and supplicating, putting her on a pedestal was seriously wtf. Yeah, I read that and it comes across more like "Hey, let me tell you how insanely much more you're worth than I am. Honestly, I don't really have any other worthwhile options, and I crave your attention. I'll be your good little puppy dog, because you're *so much better than me. " Of course the HB4 approves - he's acting the way she feel… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 09:53 AM |
| 3 | Girl flaked because she's too poor.Invite her over to watch one anyway, and "discover" it's all broken, and find some other shit to do. EDIT: anyone => anyway. Any other people with English as second language notice how they start substituting similarly sounding words when they get tired? It's really annoying. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 10:05 PM |
| 1 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!Personally I don't have that hangup. At least not yet. Then again, I guess not having a teenage daughter might make it easier. And I'm a kinky bastard :P | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 03:55 PM |
| 6 | Flowchart for picking up chicks [x-post from r/funny]It's an old routine. Here's one version of it. The most "famous" description of it is perhaps in The Game, where Papa (now of RSD) apparently ran it on Paris Hilton (while playing dumb and pretending he didn't know who she was). Supposedly he got her number. Keep in mind I used it as an example of old, "fake" routine driven game - use at your own peril. I'm sure plenty of girls would still fall for it, but it is cheesy as hell and also has the misfortune of being one of a handful of routines tha… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 02:37 PM |
| 2 | How to DOMINATE Online Dating Sites...OkCupid has a very specific demographic looking for very specific things. Relying on their data is fine for OkCupid, but don't rely on them blindly. For example, my best online success have been with stuff I can't even post on OkCupid because it'd get my account deleted. Better advice would be to test for the specific sites you decide to use, and do by all means test the OkCupid advice, especially on similar sites, as it does make a lot of sense for mainstream dating sites. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 01:36 PM |
| 19 | Flowchart for picking up chicks [x-post from r/funny]It's training wheels. At least that's how I see them. If you don't need them, then that's awesome. And personally I think that nobody should keep relying on them, except possibly as a fallback like perronec says. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 01:08 PM |
| 21 | Flowchart for picking up chicks [x-post from r/funny]Because men are seen as the hunters. The predators. Imagine deer were intelligent enough to get on the internet. Now imagine they stumbled upon a forums where hunters discussed what techniques works best. They'd be rather pissed off. Now, of course, this is massively contrived, not least because unlike deer, women want to be pursued. And they also want to be seduced. But at the same time they want to think they made all the choices, and that it was all magical and romantic. That they're special.… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 11:54 AM |
| -7 | How to DOMINATE Online Dating Sites...Am I doing this to avoid the anxiety I feel approaching in a bar or club? If the answer is yes, don’t get involved with online dating because you will just bring your anxieties onto the dates. As someone who has been in the category of using online to avoid approaches, I don't agree with this, with some caveats. I found that I do great once I get a girl to meet up. It's a piece of cake, and I've gotten laid a lot from it. However, my caveat is that if you're doing this to avoid approaches, you s… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 10:25 AM |
| 1 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!. I don't have the patience they seem to require. And honestly, it's a bit of a hurdle to get their interest in the first place. So I've got to work harder to get their attention in the first place, they take more effort to build comfort with, they tend to be broke and not have much of an independent streak (in my experience), and many of them haven't really learned to be good in the sack or comfortable with themselves so the sex isn't even better. My experience with this is that younger women r… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 09:15 AM |
| 2 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!panic of "quick find some way to break the tension!!". ugh. Practice ignoring that. I once held eye contact with a girl for about 15 minutes during a train ride. Neither one of us broke off until I had to leave the train. It was part of practicing holding eye contact - I had no intension of approaching. Most of the time of course you want to approach or find a playing way of breaking eye contact, but it's awesome to practice holding it longer than you think is comfortable without panicking witho… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 09:02 AM |
| 1 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!Unless you are lucky enough to have a club that caters to an older crowd, you're just going to be the creepy old guy at the club. Very few exceptions. An alternative is to mix with some younger people. E.g. go to a "party venue" that caters for social groups more than individuals. One of my local clubs doesn't even let in singles anymore on a lot of nights, anyway. The downside is you need to find someone to go with. The upside is the age spread is higher since you often get birthday parties etc… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 08:58 AM |
| 6 | Not Giving a Fuck.What can one do if they wish to not give a fuck? Take up meditation. Learn to clear your mind and just observe what is happening right now and let your instincts react instead of letting your logical mind kick in and regulate your behaviour too much. Look up "Mindfulness in Plain English" - it's available as a free download, or you can order the print version from Amazon. Mindfulness meditation is "simple" compared to more hardcore practices like Zen. Especially for analytical types (like me), n… | /r/seduction | 05/06/11 09:50 PM |
| 2 | How to deal with women and drama. I could have used this so many times [link]I think his method is suitable for drama that you strongly believe is not justified. E.g. if she makes a big deal when you forget to put a plate in the dishwasher, don't fucking apologize unless you're ok with her making drama every time you forget for the rest of your life and is ok with her bringing it up as an example of what an insensitive lazy jerk you are whenever she's upset with you for another reason. For drama where the underlying cause means she is justified to be upset, it's another … | /r/seduction | 03/06/11 11:42 AM |
| 13 | Why Seddit keeps preaching "Move on!" and the repercussions, from my experience, of not doing so.Moving on does not mean that you need to give up and write off the possibility. Just that you need to move on from caring about the outcome. It doesn't even mean you can't pursue, the way you did, as long as you treat it as a game you can walk away from at any time without investing too much in it. There's a big difference between the soul destroying Romeo and Juliet style pining for someone and a lighthearted fun chase. Both can be driven by love. This comes from an outlook of seeing love as no… | /r/seduction | 02/06/11 08:58 AM |
| 5 | Stepping up your texting game.[Article] - This has helped me so much in the last few weeks.The whole point of advice like that is not absolutes, but the overall principle. Sure, you may have girls coming to you now and again, but how many percent of the girls that see you do? The percentage is vanishingly small. Waiting for girls to come to you is not a viable strategy if you want a steady stream of potential lays, dates or girlfriend or whatever you're looking for. Unless you're Brad Pitt or another celebrity or otherwise very high status person. It's great when it's happen, but it's… | /r/seduction | 01/06/11 12:23 PM |
| 1 | What are your favorite white lies you tell girls when you flirt with them?As an experiment, I once went on a phone chat line and the only thing I said in my introduction was that I was psychic. Then when I got messages, I spouted some bullshit statements based on the Forer effect (I took the statements straight from the Wikipedia entry, with as few adaptations as possible). I was busy for an hour straight taking messages from women who found me terribly intriguing and insisted I "got them" and that it was incredibly how accurate I was. And I wasn't even trying - it wa… | /r/seduction | 31/05/11 11:47 AM |
| 1 | What are your favorite white lies you tell girls when you flirt with them?I was once out with a girl I'd picked up and a male, jealous friend of hers that had wanted to get in her pants for a long time. I'd told her I understand French fairly well, yet she didn't bother pointing this out to him while he spent 20 minutes trying to convince her in French that I was bad news and a big asshole. I was just sitting there feigning ignorance and grinning. Afterwards, she was all over me. | /r/seduction | 31/05/11 11:35 AM |
| 6 | What do I do about the age question?First option is to ignore. It's not helpful to your pickup, so it didn't happen. Alternatively, if you can handle it easily, a multitude of options: a deadpan "So you're just coming on to me for my body then", or you play on her age and being protective (the "little sister" play - insist you're glad, because she's just like your little sister and it'd be gross if she was attracted to you, and play off the little sister thing for a bit), or a conspiratorical exaggerated wink and a "Of course, you… | /r/seduction | 13/03/11 11:18 PM |
| 10 | What do I do about the age question?Same thing as with everything else that doesn't on the surface benefit your pickup: Ignore it, or reframe it as her displaying her attraction for you. As an example of the latter, if she calls her an old perv for example, ask her what it is she likes so much about old pervs. Whatever she tries to say, reframe it as her wanting you because of what she says about you. But don't linger on the subject - if she has doubt about your age, you want to leave the subject on a positive (to you) note withou… | /r/seduction | 13/03/11 08:18 PM |
| 3 | Kino from a girl's perspectiveI gently placed my hand on one of the girls' shoulder and said "excuse me" as I lightly influenced her out of my way. A gentle touch is far more likely to be seen as creepy if initiated by a stranger, especially out of sight, than a firm grip. If touching a stranger to get them to move, either tap, or firmly grab their shoulder or push back of your hand against upper arm - it's far less likely to give a negative reaction than a gentle touch as a gentle touch easily comes across as unsure or an a… | /r/seduction | 13/03/11 11:48 AM |
| 8 | What does it mean when a women puts her hands between her legs in conversation?Restricting your hand movements is in general a "pacifying" behaviour. If pacifying behaviours increase in frequency, then she's likely nervous or uncomfortable. If she's positioning her arms so they cover up her abdomen, that's another strong pacifying behaviour. Note that pacifying behaviours on their own means nothing. What matters is if they increase or decrease in frequency. Source: What every body is saying? by Joe Navarro). I strongly recommend that book to get a no nonsense description o… | /r/seduction | 09/03/11 10:23 AM |
| 1 | [FR] First date with a girl, going swimmingly until I went for the kissI've never understood why people would want until the end of a date to try for the kiss. If there's chemistry, go for it, and if she rejects it, just shrug it off and try again a bit later. I don't think I've ever waited until the end of a date before trying to kiss a girl, unless I wasn't into her at all. The end of the date thing always seems to me like it'd pile on the pressure. | /r/seduction | 05/03/11 01:15 AM |
| -2 | Approach Anxiety is a symptom of EXTREME selfishness and douchebaggery (KINDA LONG)Right now, if you're suffering from AA, your basic frame is almost certainly something like this: "She's hot and gets hit on all the time, and I'll come off as awkward and the conversation would die off in 20 seconds and it's safer to just not approach". Even if you don't actually think this to yourself every time, this type of basic attitude is the source of AA. This has never been the issue for me with AA. I think you overgeneralize. Perhaps this is useful for those who do hold that attitude, … | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 03:59 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys, lady here, and I want to know if this is true?The thing is, if the guy keeps returningeye contact, he almost certainly wants you. | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 09:31 PM |
| 5 | Hey guys, lady here, and I want to know if this is true?Give more eye contact for starters. Most people are unaware of how little eye contact they give, and girls doubly so. Most guys will see prolonged eye contact (but break off before him and look down before re-initiating eye contact, or you'll seem scary) as an indicator of interest, especially if you smile and look a bit embarrassed. That alone will get more guys to approach you, even some shy ones. If he doesn't approach but keep looking back at you, then he's too shy to do it himself, but quit… | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 03:10 PM |
| 2 | If you see this - talk to her (xpost from pics)When a girl hears an unsolicited compliment from someone on the street, immediately hair in the back of their neck stands up "Danger danger, put up bitch shields. Say thanks then walk faster!!!" I've never managed to provoke that reaction. Even when I first tried this, and was nervous as hell and fucked up the delivery badly, they'd still almost all get all flustered and thank me and go red and stand around waiting for me to keep talking. Of my 30 first ever sets, only 3 either didn't stop or st… | /r/seduction | 26/01/11 01:34 PM |
| 1 | If you see this - talk to her (xpost from pics)The standard direct opener you used... it seems so lame to me I've had it demonstrated, and seen it work time after time. | /r/seduction | 26/01/11 12:17 PM |
| 4 | How do you respond to "Do you like me?"just kept asking her what the hell she wanted from me. She clearly craved validation. Quite probably it also made her attracted to you, and she didn't like the situation of being attracted to someone she thought she was superior to because of her looks and wanted you to place yourself solidly back in the AFC camp where you wouldn't threaten her ego. | /r/seduction | 17/01/11 01:36 PM |
| 2 | How do you respond to "Do you like me?"I agree. In other words: Be honest (but don't be a dick about it). Both with her and yourself. This question stems from a place of wanting to "play it" right, I think, which is a warning sign. If you just approached her, for example, then you don't really know if you "like her" five minutes into the interaction, and an answer like the one you suggest of "Well... I'm not sure yet" [...] is the honest one, but one people might be afraid of saying that if they're still in the AFC "put pretty women … | /r/seduction | 17/01/11 01:32 PM |
| 2 | Ok Seddit, how do you personally think race factors in to pickup?This only really happens in London in areas that are predominantly Indian/Pakistani Really? Because I've never set foot in any areas in London that are predominantly Indian/Pakistani, and I still see it regularly. | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Ok Seddit, how do you personally think race factors in to pickup?I'm white, so I can't exactly take it personally. I find many Indian women beautiful, but I too do have a problem understanding what anyone sees in the appearance of most Indian men. But the point is at least in the UK there's very clearly a solid group of white women that subscribe to a stereotype of Indian men as very sexy. | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 03:29 PM |
| 9 | Ok Seddit, how do you personally think race factors in to pickup?White people will never understand nor experience this. Bullshit. My wife is black. I've been in plenty of situations where I've had friends of relatives of hers etc. having blatantly racist conversations targeted at white people right in front of me, and then giving me the "oh, but not you of course" crap. Racism happens in all directions. | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 10:43 AM |
| 2 | Ok Seddit, how do you personally think race factors in to pickup?There is no sexy stereotype for Indian Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sure there are geographical differences, but here in the UK at least I see girls talking about lusting after Indian and Pakistani men all the time. | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 10:42 AM |
| 3 | Sounds gay, but really, this is a fantastic mindset to adopt.There is no room for misogyny, no hint of presumption, no toxicity of manipulation. Kinda spoke to me. This is the way I want to present myself. I agree. It's the difference we see between the guys that go all "pretty girls are bitches, I'm going to figure out how to break them and trick them into my bed even though I don't give a shit about anything but their bodies" vs. understanding the game they play and playing it with them (instead of against them), openly, and taking delight in the proces… | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Victoria's Secret Model: Ordinary Guys Don't Have a Chance to Get a Date With Us. (Haha. This could be the ultimate shit test)Agree.. My wife insists on looking at the various "... next top model" shows etc., and most of the girls there look pretty average outside of the footage of their shoots. What makes for a good model is not perfect skin and body, but "close enough" that doing their makeup and hair right and getting them to contort their body just right makes them good looking clothes hangers. Sometimes that means being smoking hot right out of bed with a hangover, but far more often it means they'll not really lo… | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 06:08 PM |
| 3 | Help with the absolute basics: making friendsYou mentioned you have problems with eye contact too... Here's a simple exercise to combine going out more and paying attention and eye contact: Notice whenever you're being evasive. Most likely based on your description you probably evade eye contact with cashiers etc. and many other people you encounter. Instead, pay particular attention whenever you're about to pay for something or otherwise have a short interaction. Rather than looking at your wallet or whatever, make a conscious effort to l… | /r/seduction | 14/12/10 05:29 PM |
| 2 | Help with the absolute basics: making friendsI'm in a similar spot with you when first starting a conversation with a stranger. The point is really to stop thinking and just pick up words the other person says. Instead of trying to come up with anything "intelligent" to ask, just practice distilling what they say to a few nouns and verbs and turn them into completely basic questions or statements. They don't even have to have any coherent ties to what they actually said. If you have problems even with this, then practice doing this when wa… | /r/seduction | 14/12/10 05:24 PM |
| 2 | Trying to get with a 9, but she is hesitant to meet because she knowsIi slept with her two roommates.You're making the very flawed assumption that she doesn't know exactly what she's letting herself into, and just want him to give her the right justifications for allowing it to happen. Women like casual relationships just as much as men, most are just more coy about it. | /r/seduction | 29/11/10 02:26 PM |
| 2 | Trying to get with a 9, but she is hesitant to meet because she knowsIi slept with her two roommates.It's jlaix aka Jeffy of RSD. It's an awesomely hilarious story. Here's the entire archive of messages about it](http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/) (search for chessclub). Or read Nine Ball (jlaix' book - it's similar to The Game, but with more drugs, self loathing, alcohol and late night drunked/drug induced fights with samurai swords) | /r/seduction | 29/11/10 02:13 PM |
| 2 | DAE find traditionally hot women (aka 9-10's) mostly unbearable?Depends on your goal. I'm already married. We have an open relationship, but as a result what I'm looking for is always almost purely physical as I have no intentions of doing anything to mess with my marriage. Because of that I don't give a shit if the girls I play with are total vapid bitches, because I'm not planning on dating them at all. I'm also very dominant in bed, and if a girl is acting like a stuck up bitch, it's just extra entertaining to get her to submit and behave (and the more th… | /r/seduction | 25/11/10 09:43 AM |
| 9 | Seducing with herpesBut the effects of it are significantly different. A lot of people hardly notice it, and many more only ever have mild symptoms. | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 03:40 PM |
| 9 | Delightful_White's Guide To Facebook GameYou cannot build attraction over Facebook, you cannot build comfort, and you definitely cannot seduce. Are you fucking serious? I've had girls decide to sleep with me before ever meeting in real life off mainstream (non-dating focused) social networking sites. You can build attraction, build comfort and seduce anywhere where you can communicate with someone. | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 03:33 PM |
| 1 | What nonalcoholic drinks can I order?I was just leaning against the bar... Apparently I looked like I was about to pass out. Same place though have bouncers getting you to sit up if you lean back too much on the couches because they worry about people being drunk and about to pass out. They're a bit overzealous because they've had a really bad reputation and are trying to be classy these days. | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 09:48 PM |
| 3 | What nonalcoholic drinks can I order?So? I was thrown out of a club a couple of months back because the bouncers thought I was drunk because I looked too spaced out and drunk. I was 100% sober. It's all attitude. Perhaps I took it a bit to the extreme. | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 06:59 PM |
| 12 | Is it worth it?What is your goal? If you want to just get laid, then pick up meditation (read "Mindfulness in Plain English"), go read "Power of Now" by Eckhardt Tolle (ignore the cheesy new age explanations, though it can be hard not to burst out laughing at large chunks of the book). Focus on being "present" or "in the now". It takes effort, but it will help you break out of your over-analytical mind, at which point inane comments like "politics is just a thing" will not bother you then and there. Learning t… | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 11:31 AM |
| -1 | Suggestions on how to respond to "wow, you're really tall"Lift her up. Arms outstretched. If you have the upper body strength for it, this is a killer. Any number of variations: Tell her you're not tall, she's tiny, and lift her up by her waist and put her down again and grin and tell her you find petite women adorable. Or lift her up and ask if she can repeat that, you didn't hear it up there. Etc. You need to be smooth about it, assertive and move slowly and deliberately - you don't want her to freak out. But in my experience, women love a man that i… | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 12:22 PM |
| 3 | I am a girl.. is there a way to redeem myself this?"trying to game you" = "trying to seduce you". You make it sound like pushing buttons on a game pad. But presumably you have a mind of your own and can resist his charms if you like. We all always try to present ourselves in the best light possible and to say the right things and act the right way when we want to seduce someone. Or don't you ever do your makeup and care about what clothes you wear and wonder what to say on a date? Game is just taking it to another level and actively trying to fi… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Cute blond that I have managed not to LJBF (I think) is sitting in front of me (with headphones on). What would *you* do?Just trying to get the full 7 hours in before the bedroom stuff begins. Fuck that. The 7 hour thing is a guideline, not a damn law of nature. Push until you meet resistance, laugh it off, pull back and slowly start pushing forwards again. Always. The key is to not care when she resists and make sure she realises it's no big deal to you (e.g. when she refuses a kiss etc.). What Mystery is saying is that this on average will end with closing in about 7 hours. I think that depends a lot on the type… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 06:37 AM |
| 1 | Is it okay to give your number to a girl first, Without her asking?Giving her the number unsolicited will only "work" if you either truly don't care if she calls or not (most likely she won't) and/or you have put yourself across as being so much higher value that she feels like you're rewarding her (in which case you'd have gotten her number if you asked anyway). If you throw it out there in situations where you don't have the time/opportunity to game her properly just in case you get lucky, then why not, both otherwise it sounds like a big waste - prefer to pu… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 05:07 PM |
| 6 | How to get a sexy little smile on your face...Freudian slips are only a problem if you get visibly embarrassed about them. If you just laugh it off while giving her a look that makes it very clear you meant what you said, it's no biggie and can very well work in your favour. | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Finished "The Game" last night...I'll point you here instead | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Finished "The Game" last night...The Game is entertainment and a historical perspective of (part of) the pickup environment. As a guide to pickup it's archaic. It's a pity so many people read it as their first (and perhaps only) introduction to seduction. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:55 AM |
| 1 | Using a wedding ring to pick up chicksI am married. Open relationship. And I've had a reasonably number of women over the years I've been married and engaged (I wore the wedding band as an engagement ring, so in total I've been wearing the ring for 9 years). but when I actually had the ring on none of them must have been brave enough to try. Brave enough to try what? You're the one that should be leading; they shouldn't have to be brave enough to try anything. The way I see it, whether it's the ring or me telling them I'm married, t… | /r/seduction | 20/10/10 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Using a wedding ring to pick up chicksSlutty isn't a bad thing in my book, and I couldn't care less about "dateable potential" - I'm not looking to date them. But I don't agree - I've seen no pattern at all in appearance and behaviour of girls that don't care about a ring, and I have seen a number of cases where it definitively helps. More than one girl have confessed that the thought of being "the other woman" turns them one, for starters, and several others have confessed that they like it because it guarantees to them that they d… | /r/seduction | 20/10/10 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Using a wedding ring to pick up chicksThe kind of girls who will sleep with a married man are the kind of girls I don't wanna sleep with, generally. Then that's more likely to be the issue than the ring. I find the kind of girls that gets freaked out by a ring are the kind of girls I want to stay well clear of because what they're after clearly isn't what I'm after (a casual hook up with someone who won't go around thinking it can ever become anything else). I think for a discussion like this, goals / what you're looking for matters… | /r/seduction | 19/10/10 07:19 PM |
| 1 | I've given up being selective...In this case it's not only that you won't come back, but you want have anything to compare and contrast what you actually do in order to figure out what you do wrong. Some things are easy to figure out - e.g. if you get slapped in the face, presumably you take the hint - but a lot of others are subtle enough that you're likely to just scratch your head and wonder which of the myriad of things you did or didn't do were the reasons why you didn't get anywhere. | /r/seduction | 16/10/10 06:35 AM |
| 5 | I've given up being selective...I plead guilty... | /r/seduction | 15/10/10 04:08 PM |
| 1 | I've given up being selective...Someone once said something like "You're not improving until you reach failure". Think about it. Sure, but that's not the point here - the point is when you start from a point of regular failure. You don't improve at all if you never get a chance to see what works and what doesn't. You improve when you fail at least some of the time and succeeds at least some of the time. What the right mix of success and failure is for you depends on your personality. | /r/seduction | 15/10/10 04:07 PM |
| 2 | I've given up being selective...I think the thing that can be difficult is when you do get someone much more interested in you than you are in them. I used to worry a lot about that. But, then I realised that it's not the worst problem to have. It's not a problem at all, unless you get attention from people you're not interested in at all. If they're more interested in you than you in them (or even if they just think they are more interested), you get them to work for your attention. You back off and let them game you. The adv… | /r/seduction | 15/10/10 04:04 PM |
| 7 | Top 10 Texts to Send Girls...OF ALL TIMEIn the office, listening to the hum from the server room, sipping some Sprite Zero, thinking of you... What are your feelings on having a love child? | /r/seduction | 12/10/10 09:33 AM |
| 1 | Is liking a girl too much a reason to give up on her?I agree with the guys here that say that should just go for it. But on the other hand, I know how easy it is to give that advice, and how hard it can be to take. If you can't force yourself to do so with this girl, then yes, go direct your energy elsewhere. Few things are more toxic than agonizing over the possibility of girls for ages while ignoring other opportunities. | /r/seduction | 11/10/10 02:19 PM |
| 1 | If you have not read these, please do yourself a favor. Very Inspirational.Some of them are amazing. And then there's the massive amount of AFC comments about how some woman was way out of their league. | /r/seduction | 11/10/10 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Younger girlsI'm 35, my wife is 26, and most of the girls I've fucked over the last few years (we have an open relationship) have been in the range 18 to 25, with a few outliers (older). Most of the girls in question have explicitly been looking for guy that are older than them. At least a couple of the 18-19 year olds specifically were not interested in guys younger than late 20's at the youngest. It's not unusual for girls in the 18-25 age range to prefer men older than me. Frankly, I don't see many women … | /r/seduction | 10/10/10 09:10 PM |
| 2 | Hitting a wall at clubs - need some adviceI'm 6'1 and "only" 195lbs, but that's more than enough to terrify girls if I don't watch my behaviour and body language... | /r/seduction | 10/10/10 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Hitting a wall at clubs - need some adviceWatch body language and facial expressions. I used to look really aggressive on the dance floor - I leaned forward, used large hard/fast movements and scrunched up my face when concentrating on the dancing in a way that probably made me look downright evil. Stuff like that intimidates the shit out of people. You need to look relaxed and physically non-threatening, especially if you're muscular, tall or otherwise look big. Shoulders back and down; lean back; make sure you don't just smile but als… | /r/seduction | 10/10/10 10:25 AM |
| 3 | Finally, good day game model to work withIt's day game, so it's going to be lower energy and you're going to also need to be much more careful about escalating kino regardless. I've seen someone get away with really blatant kino within minutes during the day, but others warn very strongly about it (largely because newbies that fuck up and go too creepy could easily get themselves arrested) - I suspect this is a lot down to personal style. | /r/seduction | 06/10/10 07:54 PM |
| 4 | Finally, good day game model to work withHave you tried it? It may wary depending on location, but my experience from repeated visits to the US is that compared to for London where this guy is doing some of his stuff, women in the US are so much more open to talking to strangers. Whenever I've visited the US (used to be very often for business), I've even relatively often had strangers talk to me on the street or in restaurants completely out of the blue. In London I've had that happen maybe 3-4 times in 10 years of living here. I've a… | /r/seduction | 05/10/10 06:53 PM |
| 2 | FR - Is it treason to disclose pick up techniques to HBs I just did and it seems to have workedI agree somewhat, with the caveat that talking about it in general terms is chick crack and can be a massive DHV. E.g. pointing out someone attempting to pick up a girl nearby and explaining what he's doing right/wrong in terms of game can be powerful, as it demonstrates that you understand social cues, and can teach her things about social interactions. Or explaining superficial aspects of what he's doing. It's also a massive misdirection from the game he's running on her himself. Even so, in t… | /r/seduction | 05/10/10 02:51 PM |
| 3 | Is this creepy?As long as it's clear from context that you just spotted her and decided to come up because you recognized her, as opposed to follow her to say it, then I don't see what's creepy about it. On the other hand, if you give her reason to think that you followed her or that it's otherwise not just a chance encounter, then, yeah, creepy as hell. We had the neighbours daughter stay with us for a few hours Saturday night because the electricity went and she was freaked out as hell as a result of some gu… | /r/seduction | 04/10/10 11:30 AM |
| 10 | Kiss-fail recovery?if it changes her perception of you Of course it does: It shows her you actually want her and have the balls to make a move. As long as you laugh it off and show that it doesn't matter to you, it's not a bad thing in any way. Just try again after a while, or tease her by pretending you're about to in an exaggerated fashion, or go for her cheek next time, and keep going until you get there The only way this can be a bad thing is if you let it become awkward and/or start apologizing. | /r/seduction | 27/09/10 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Unlikely Inner Game read: book of womens' confessed sex fantasies. Helps disabuse you of the notion that women aren't secretly craving as much (and more) than you, that you're the one trying to get something. Read this book until you realize how many women are begging to be shown a good time.The idea was that some women fantasize about rape and they put this fantasy into practice. Role play is not "putting the fantasy into practice". Roleplay is pretend. I doubt that any woman fantasizes about something as violent and traumatic as a real rape. You think they fantasize about fake rapes? Sorry, but then you don't understand the nature of these fantasies. Try talking to some women who actually has these fantasies. The whole point is that they fantasize about the real situation and typi… | /r/seduction | 26/09/10 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Unlikely Inner Game read: book of womens' confessed sex fantasies. Helps disabuse you of the notion that women aren't secretly craving as much (and more) than you, that you're the one trying to get something. Read this book until you realize how many women are begging to be shown a good time.Depending on the woman: Every single one of them. I've known women who gets massively turned on fantasizing about anal, but who don't want to ever do it; I've known married women who fantasise about cheating, but who gets horrified at the thought of actually doing it; I know women who fantasises about sex in public, but who consider the idea of actually doing it completely unacceptable. And of course there's the big one that injpua mentions: Rape. And before you drag out the role playing again, … | /r/seduction | 26/09/10 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Unlikely Inner Game read: book of womens' confessed sex fantasies. Helps disabuse you of the notion that women aren't secretly craving as much (and more) than you, that you're the one trying to get something. Read this book until you realize how many women are begging to be shown a good time.Role playing and "the real thing" in that respect is nothing like each other. I've known women that have been raped, and I have played out a womans rape fantasies as role play - the effects are not even comparable. If you think they are, then you're just plain clueless. | /r/seduction | 26/09/10 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Unlikely Inner Game read: book of womens' confessed sex fantasies. Helps disabuse you of the notion that women aren't secretly craving as much (and more) than you, that you're the one trying to get something. Read this book until you realize how many women are begging to be shown a good time.Try close to 40 years old... She published a number of follow ups, the latest in 1990, titled "Women on Top: How Real Life has changed women's sexual fantasies" The other big thing to realize is that while men tends to have predominantly fantasies we wish to realize (even if they may be unrealistic), women very often have fantasies they'd never ever consider wanting to realize, so using a book of womens fantasies as an indicator of what women want from a man is risky. That said, women do have pl… | /r/seduction | 24/09/10 07:28 PM |
| 2 | How to be a Real ManI keep hoping they'll grow out of this "phase" as many girls I'm friends with describe it They won't. And you misinterpret what they fall for. They fall for men who "ignore them" because those guys come off as independent, non-needy and higher value than them. They pick the characteristics from that article that are available to them. Most of them won't meet a man that will fit all those criteria. Instead of "hoping they'll grow out of this phase", learn to adapt your behaviour to trigger the sa… | /r/seduction | 24/09/10 06:08 PM |
| 2 | The importance of postureThe biggest problem with this, is that you can easily come off as "blocking". Make sure that you at least do not position yourself with the thigh of the upper leg facing whoever you're interested in. To avoid that, you can try to point with the tip of your foot towards them instead (pay attention to people and notice that their feet are more likely than not to be pointed towards someone they find attractive or interesting or are comfortable with; feet will often shift as people warm/cool to some… | /r/seduction | 12/09/10 02:31 PM |
| 0 | Hey seddit! Any objections to a lesbian hanging around to learn some tricks?The best "natural" I've observed was a bi girl that picked me up. I recognized what she was doing from the outset, but I found it so funny that I just gave some token resistance to see what she'd do. She used every trick in the book. From what I'd gathered, she'd picked most of it up while learning to seduce girls - on a man what she did would almost always be total overkill. | /r/seduction | 11/09/10 10:35 AM |
| 3 | Was away for a few weeks. Who started a war with 2X?Heh. I probably was a coward too, it just wasn't the only or even primary factor holding me back. It really baffles me how delusional it was - how I could spend years observing and agonizing over how the "bad" guys were acting before I even remotely started accepting that maybe, just maybe, I was the one that was going about it the wrong way, not them. | /r/seduction | 08/09/10 03:39 PM |
| 3 | Was away for a few weeks. Who started a war with 2X?ET you do not like women and do not require female opinions and immediately lump everyone that is female and disagrees with you in the feminazi category? MISSING. THE. POINT. The "issue" surrounding female opinion is that most women are as clueless as the worst beta's around when it comes to what works at attracting women. Saying that doesn't mean I don't like women. I love women. I just don't think they are good sources of advice on how to pick up women, with a very few exceptions. I don't mind… | /r/seduction | 08/09/10 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Was away for a few weeks. Who started a war with 2X?Good but uncalibrated game anyways. If you're starting to scare off the low self esteem ones, then if you want them (hassle... but if you can stand the ongoing ego stroking necessary and/or is just looking for a ONS...) you just need to pick up on self esteem issues and heap on qualification and ways to dhv them until they accept they're almost the same value as they see you. It's down to not seeming so much higher value that she's forced to wonder why you are interested in her and not some (in … | /r/seduction | 08/09/10 03:21 PM |
| 5 | Was away for a few weeks. Who started a war with 2X?That's true, but there's also a lot of advice places like this that are not very compatible with it. I choose to see the seduction/PUA community as pretty neutral: It's a skill, and you can use it for good or evil or anything in between. | /r/seduction | 08/09/10 03:10 PM |
| 10 | Was away for a few weeks. Who started a war with 2X?I don't think so. In fact, I used to be close to that. I'd write love poems (up to 1000+; these days I still write, but I write for me and rarely about girls now), and daydream about when girls would discover how much better (nicer; sweeter; more romantic) I was than the guys I saw as assholes that they'd give all their attention. I'd observe the girls from a distance, and hope for them to notice my glances and swoon over me. It's sickening to think back on. A lot of it was down to shyness and l… | /r/seduction | 08/09/10 03:06 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Mission 14: Violent AMOGI take that line as meaning that it's not worth dying in order to try to win a woman. Standing up for someone if the guy is being aggressive to them is entirely different. I've done that a few times, both in clubs and elsewhere (though I've never put myself much at risk), but I'd never even consider doing it for the sake of getting laid or similar. | /r/seduction | 06/09/10 11:04 AM |
| 1 | How to cancel the second date due to a family emergency?If the question in its entirety had been phrased that way, it'd have been reasonable as a general question. My original comment was to the point that he felt a need to even ask the question when faced with a family emergency like having his grandmother in hospital. As I said, it is one girl. It shouldn't matter. If the chance of screwing up with any girl is so important that you feel the need to ask for advice before cancelling a date when your grandmother is sick, then you should take a step ba… | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 05:53 PM |
| 2 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?um i find clubs and bars [in the uk. generally bad music and super loudness means people will binge drink more and dance more] the worst place to try and talk. So don't. Use it to meet someone, then at first opportunity take them somewhere more quiet to talk. and are not worth my time in clubs and bars if i want to try to converse for fun Going to a club to "converse for fun" is like going to a strip club to study the interior. or even converse with an agenda slanting towards the carnal. this is… | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 01:11 PM |
| 2 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?So don't drink when you go out. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:37 AM |
| 2 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?I find small talk tedious, personally. I get no personal satisfaction from having small talk with anyone. So don't small talk with people. Launch straight into more interesting conversations. People - including in clubs - will find you a much more interesting person. If you think tedious small talk is necessary, or even desirable, to meet someone at a club, you have a seriously limiting belief. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:36 AM |
| 2 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?yeah but i thought they generally were uninterested in small talk and stuff. Why do you think "small talk and stuff" is necessary to meet and get to know people? Small talk is boring. Small talk is filler we use to get comfortable connecting in more meaningful ways. If you're genuinely interested in people (something I struggle with too), you will quickly find "real" subjects to talk about. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:34 AM |
| 8 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?You're likely to find a higher concentration of women that don't like to go clubbing at a club, just because they've been dragged their by friends, than anywhere else. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:28 AM |
| 1 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?Heh. I never probed much for details. She was/is a singer, and sung in churches quite often. Presumable she was given access before or after the service at some point. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:26 AM |
| 2 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?...Or maybe he's an introvert and finds large groups of people making weak small talk annoying. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing "wrong" with it, but it is massively counter-productive if you want to stand much of a chance getting good at picking up girls. I am in this category myself, but put work into it and you can start finding interesting things about most people and situations. And I think you're wrong, or you have intense confirmation bias. Just because most of the girls y… | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 06:25 AM |
| 1 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?Then ask yourself why you don't like parties. Chances are it's because you feel socially awkward. If so, fix that, rather than blaming the parties/clubs or the girls (hint: you're excluding pretty much every girl - most girls go clubbing at some pointer or other, even if they may not particularly like it; they'll still go because it's a social thing and their friends go) | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 12:31 AM |
| 4 | I hate clubbing. I hate bars. I hate the people/women that go to to them. Alternatives?I knew a woman once that had sex on the altar. Unfortunately not with me. | /r/seduction | 04/09/10 12:27 AM |
| 3 | How to cancel the second date due to a family emergency?When you start asking questions that boils down to: "How do I prevent X from ruining my chances with a girl?" where X is some variation over acting in way that demonstrates that you are, in fact, human as opposed to being a soulless automaton or total douchebag, then yes, you are obsessing too much over game. The first part of the question is fine (How to cancel a date?) the second part - the family emergency bit - is what makes it bizarre. You worry about how you come across when your grandmoth… | /r/seduction | 03/09/10 08:07 PM |
| 8 | How to cancel the second date due to a family emergency?This here is a textbook example of obsessing too much over game. | /r/seduction | 03/09/10 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Seddit: You'll enjoy this: A woman's view of friendzoning (LJBF) a great guy. [crosspost from r/self]A lot of it is down to misunderstanding dominance. You can be dominant and be a nasty, abusive bully. But that is the "easy" way - you are not demonstrating attractive qualities as much as just forcing yourself into a position of power. For many guys it seems they think this is the only form of dominance. It is not, and it is really kind of beta compared to the second form of dominance: You can also be dominant by giving people reason to respect your authority and by simply taking charge. It req… | /r/seduction | 03/09/10 10:58 AM |
| 11 | Seddit: You'll enjoy this: A woman's view of friendzoning (LJBF) a great guy. [crosspost from r/self]It is not about wanting a guy that treats her like shit, but about wanting a guy that does not let her walk all over him and that is "exciting". Unfortunately for her, the achetypical "nice guys" tend to also be boring doormats. In between you find, amongst others, guys that may not be fawning over her all the time, and who are clearly about to treat her like a princess, but also will be honest about what they are after and not after and that are not abusive. For me, at least, that is where I st… | /r/seduction | 02/09/10 07:34 PM |
| 1 | First date from OkCupid, girl freaks out when I try to hold her hand. WTF?The first date is the "get to know you" and I'd think touching is mostly out of bounds. I find this bizarre. I've never been on a first date that didn't at the very least involve grabbing/holding her hands, touching her back and hugging. And those were the bad ones. The vast majority involve kissing, and not just a good night kiss. A good percentage involve going much further. If I was in a situation like the submitter, I'd assume she had issues and never bother getting back in touch. | /r/seduction | 02/09/10 03:06 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible to keep the spark alive in a monogamous LTR?Given the next point on his list, I guess he understands this now. | /r/seduction | 30/08/10 05:18 PM |
| 3 | Dear /r/seddit, I have committed to the most extreme form of "delete all contact; hit the gym" possible.What are your fitness goals? "100 pushups" doesn't really do much for you, whether you're looking to improve endurance, strength or size, unless you start out as weak as a baby. Even then there are better approaches. It pretty much only trains you to do 100 pushups. You won't get much size increase for your pecs or arms, because the reps are far too high. You won't get much of a strength increase since you're not upping the weight or difficulty much, and the reps are far too high. You will get e… | /r/seduction | 27/08/10 10:45 AM |
| 1 | Important lesson learned: Do not seduce friends or friends of lady friends.Look at the rest of his FR's. Guy started out with his life totally in the gutter, with a broken family, lots of emotional problems, drug and alcohol issues etc. all feeding into how he approached game when he first started. He's apparently cleaned up his act a lot, but you'll still find the occasional nuggets from him at RSD Nation. RSD has quite a few similarly crazy characters - Alexander, for example, is fantastic to read. He writes even longer, more epic reports than jlaix and apparently ha… | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Important lesson learned: Do not seduce friends or friends of lady friends.His book (Nine Ball) is well worth it... Mostly for the lol's, not so much for the game (it's like "The Game" amplified - it's much more about the journey than about game). A lot of it you can find for free online in his old FR/LR's, though. Apart from pickup, one of the most awesome parts involves a drunked/drugged up sword fight at his place with real swords... | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Infographic I made. Statistics on how wearing red clothing can increase attraction and value...Not go on away missions. Duh! | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Infographic I made. Statistics on how wearing red clothing can increase attraction and value...Are you telling us you're ugly? | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Infographic I made. Statistics on how wearing red clothing can increase attraction and value...It must be a trick. | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 03:02 PM |
| 4 | Important lesson learned: Do not seduce friends or friends of lady friends.See also jlaix adventures with "Chessclub". He purposefully set out to lay all the girls in the friend circle of "Chessclub" as a some twisted way of getting her attention. After he'd done a couple, they caught on, and knew exactly what he was doing, yet slept with him anyway... He then told her what he was up to, and she ended up as his girlfriend... I think the story demonstrates what you're saying quite nicely. Girls talking is an asset as long as you've been clear with them about what kind o… | /r/seduction | 26/08/10 02:57 PM |
| 2 | Girl here: What things can/does a girl do to move up or down in rating?Although 90% of the time it's from other girls :/ Jealousy. Be very, very careful about taking advice from other girls you know about what looks good on you. My wife gets bitching from girls about how she's too slim or too this and that all the time, and it's just bullshit, as proven by the fact that she gets hit on by strangers when out all the time, as well as having other women come up to her on the street to compliment her looks. If anything, the more your female acquaintances bitch about yo… | /r/seduction | 23/08/10 09:13 AM |
| 1 | Girl here: What things can/does a girl do to move up or down in rating?Since you're Asian, just let me first give you my pet hate: Asian girls that cut/color their hair to look more "white". As all rules there's always exceptions, but very, very few asian girls look prettier when they do that. For me at least, that's pretty much guaranteed to put me off. As long as adding weight don't make your face look pudgy, adding weight could be good. I tend to prefer the very slim/petite look on asian girls, but the prettiest asian girl I've been with was actually probably he… | /r/seduction | 23/08/10 09:02 AM |
| 5 | How do you respond to a girl who insults you?"Thank you, I love ducks! My favorite ducks are .... What's your favorite duck? There are some awesome duck pictures here: ..." | /r/seduction | 18/08/10 09:52 AM |
| 0 | How do you respond to a girl who insults you?but it's on facebook, and busting out a story would be random haha. So what if it's random? That just makes it hilarious, especially if the story is completely out of context and silly. | /r/seduction | 18/08/10 09:48 AM |
| 6 | PUA resources for females looking to pick up females?I went out with a bi girl a few times, and we hooked up because she gamed me hardcore after I opened her on the dance floor. She used "textbook" game (though I believe she was a natural, I could break down what she did exactly by principles that guys are taught), and did it because that was what she was used to use to pick up girls. She tried leading me around; she did takeaways, time constraints, push pull, engineer social proof, frame control. The works. It was beautiful to observe and oh so f… | /r/seduction | 12/08/10 06:51 PM |
| 1 | Great date, lots of kino, went in for the kiss, and...Kind of strange behavior because you'd think that a women would try to appear as beautiful and interesting to you as possible if she likes you. She will if she thinks she can measure up and is self confident enough. But often she won't be confident of it, so want reassurance and/or think she can't measure up anyway. Confidence in particular is a big thing with women. I'm married, and my wife has a steady stream of guys approaching her and complimenting her looks - whether on the street or in clu… | /r/seduction | 12/08/10 06:41 PM |
| 4 | Seddit! I need your help!I have the same hangup about having an audience. But try to convince yourself of this: Being overheard is not bad. If you're nice and she shoots you down, as long as you act like you're totally cool about being rejected, there's always a chance that other staff there will talk her into changing her mind... | /r/seduction | 12/08/10 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Great date, lots of kino, went in for the kiss, and...If a woman perceives herself as lower value than you, she will often try to disqualify herself on that basis. Partly she may not think you'll like her when you realize, and want to save herself the humiliation of investing and getting attached to you and then getting rejected; partly she may question how she has misjudged your value if you're interested in her despite what she sees as flaws. Partly she may just be fishing for compliments. The way you address that depends, but generally you'll wa… | /r/seduction | 12/08/10 03:23 PM |
| 3 | Seddit... why the games?That's understandable - some problems are hard to overcome, and money problems are some of the most stressful on relationships (but if you overcome them, chances are it'll strengthen things in the long run). But treat them as learning opportunities. Can't go away on weekends to hotels etc? Then arrange picnics or go for walks or find museums that are free etc. instead. I had severe debt problems for a while shortly after my now wife moved in with me, and we had to sit down and figure out how to … | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 01:19 PM |
| 7 | What happened here, and how do I get it again without being a douche?You answered your own questions: Be direct, in control and unapologetic. Lead and expect her to follow. It won't work every time, but it'll work a heck of a lot better than not acting like that. My best nights are always when I get sufficiently out of my head to stop worrying and just do what the fuck I want and expect things to work. Unfortunately it's still massively hit and miss for me when that happens :) | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 10:26 AM |
| 3 | Seddit... why the games?The "artificial" PUA stuff is all attempts at "extracting the fun parts". Some of it also succeeds in extracting the asshole part. I didn't enjoy the games either, but turns out it was because I wasn't any good at them. I still don't consider myself very good, but now that I understand the interactions, things get a lot more interesting, and sometimes it gets downright fun and hilarious. For example, I was once picked up by a girl that used every trick in the book. I just relaxed and let her do … | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 10:15 AM |
| 2 | Seddit... why the games?If being yourself means not being attractive, then yes, you need to "not be yourself" for a while, but you also needs to assimilate aspects of what it takes to be attractive into your own personality, and become attractive. Or they are saying "The real you is pussy because you treat women with dignity and respect and don't play head games. You need to change who you are to be a less caring and considerate person to be happy" If that's what you're taking away from it, then either the people you'r… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 10:04 AM |
| 3 | Seddit... why the games?There's a huge difference between making a girl happy when she acts in a way that makes her deserve it, and making a girl happy because you're a pushover. If you do the former, including not giving her your attention when she acts in a way that doesn't deserve it, then that's great. It's whenever you bend over backwards for someone because they're a girl that you're being a pussy. | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 09:54 AM |
| 3 | Seddit... why the games?yeah i get that part and thats about picking people up, what about once you already have a woman and she knows it i mean when your about to be married there is no way to really say well I'm not interested, your supposed to be in love You miss the point. You don't have to say you're not interested. You can show your love. You can be all mushy. But you need to show you're not afraid of losing her. Even if you are. It's not coming from a point of not caring if you lose her, but from a point of trus… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 09:51 AM |
| 2 | Seddit... why the games?Thats BS, firstly i have always put work into relationships, you cant pretend you are dating forever though life inevitably slows down you you have to deal with boring daily life and then spice it up once in a while when you both have time and funds. Why didn't "life inevitably slow down" before you got into the relationship then? You had to deal with boring daily life then too. It's excuses. That's not to say that things won't go up and down and you will always be acting as if it's a first date… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 09:09 AM |
| 2 | Seddit... why the games?It's quite creepy. Why do you think it's creepy? If anything, the more time two people spends together, the more vital to their relationship it is that both actually put in the effort to show their attractive side instead of suddenly letting things slide. That doesn't mean you can't also relax and show other sides of yourself - that's one of the nice thing about a long term partner - but if you stop putting in effort, you will be less attractive to your partner, no matter what. It's like going t… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 09:02 AM |
| 2 | Seddit... why the games?If you think it "has to end sometime" I doubt you've ever been in a solid long term relationship. Who wants to be married to a woman you have to play games with all the time to keep? You're thinking about it the wrong way. If you want your relationship to be hard and miserable then stop playing games with each other. You'll both quickly get bored of each other. You clearly see "playing games" as something negative, and it can be. But it's also "playing games" when you play coy with each other an… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 08:57 AM |
| 1 | The greatest REAL infield PUA footage and explanation of why it's so good. Watch these guys fail over and over and over again like champs.If you are not looking for IOI you are making things harder for yourself and will be treated like a pest. Again, your name is accurate. Most of the time that women are receptive you're not getting IOI's because: They haven't yet noticed you. They've noticed you, but you're not the hottest looking guy in the room, and they can't see your personality until you show it to them. They're preoccupied with something else. They're shy and hope you have balls. They think they're above that stuff, and the… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 08:48 AM |
| 1 | Need help converting an FClose into a fuck buddyEasily. AFF is a pure numbers game. Out of ever 10 messages I'd send, about 3 would get opened (you can pay extra to get notified), and of those 1 would usually get a response. Of the ones that responded, I'd usually meet up with ca 1 in 10. So 1 in 100 or so. With what I know now I'm sure I could improve that ratio significantly, but a lot of the reason it's so low is that 1) girls on AFF gets massive amounts of messages, which is why the open and response ratio is low, 2) the quality is very v… | /r/seduction | 11/08/10 04:58 AM |
| 1 | Need help converting an FClose into a fuck buddyHowever, isn't insisting on getting good at this confusing the means (cold approach vs online vs social circle) with the ends (getting laid regularly with different women)? If you get a quality of girls online regularly that you're happy with, and it doesn't get boring, then sure. The reason I want to scale back my use of online is partly that I've gotten more picky and I'm finding it harder to find sufficiently attractive girls online (too many surprises when you meet them too...), partly that … | /r/seduction | 10/08/10 02:31 PM |
| 1 | Need help converting an FClose into a fuck buddyInstead of getting AA now its more like I can't be bothered approaching. Dangerous path. That's what I keep telling myself too. I'd actually prefer it if I felt scared shitless - scared I can deal with. It's when I start throwing up all kinds of excuses to myself for why it's no big deal if I don't approach that things falls apart In the coming weeks I will really have to force myself to go out an sarge and approach, despite knowing it isn't actually required to get laid. That's what I wish I'd … | /r/seduction | 10/08/10 11:36 AM |
| 1 | Need help converting an FClose into a fuck buddyJust don't end up using the online stuff as an excuse for not working on other aspects.... I've used it a lot, and it gets you laid, but at least in my case it made me far too complacent about dealing with my AA for example. I ended up closing my most used accounts about a year ago because of that. | /r/seduction | 10/08/10 11:10 AM |
| 3 | Going Pro - ideas?Find out if you can coach well first. Two is a too small sample. Talk to your friends and post on local forums and mention that you plan on starting doing it as a business, but because you want to make sure what you offer is quality, you are seeking a small group that will get free coaching in return for offering detailed feedback. It has the advantage that if you do well it will both get you great feedback but also testimonials and a good group of supporters that might help draw in additional b… | /r/seduction | 10/08/10 11:03 AM |
| 5 | Any one hang out in IRC?Funny man. I've had lots of dates and quite a few lays off of irc. More hassle than it's worth, though. Of course that was not what the submitter was talking about. | /r/seduction | 09/08/10 09:08 PM |
| 5 | [FR] Happened at the bar the other night - was this alpha or beta of me?You grabbed her and led her as opening. That immediately stands out as alpha behaviour. Presumably she knew you were with the other guys, so you had an "excuse" for getting her a beer - you were showing leadership and rectifying a situation "your" group had caused. That she complied and let you isolate her right off the bat like that is enough to show that you did good. The reason buying drinks is generally frowned upon, apart from racking up the cost and not really being necessary, is that if i… | /r/seduction | 09/08/10 07:43 PM |
| 1 | [FR] ApocalypseI don't think the point is necessarily to F-close, but to seed the idea that you're the kind of guys they would like to sleep with. A lot of women will be completely unwilling to do a one to do a one night stand no matter how attractive she finds you then and there, but will be ready to go further because you've shown that you stand apart from the rest and have massive balls. This is where the "second part" of the Apocalypse comes in - if rejected, at all cost hold the frame and make it clear it… | /r/seduction | 09/08/10 04:29 PM |
| 14 | Hopefully this will put your anxiety in perspectiveNo, well sort of, maybe... Danger does not cause paralyzing anxieties for me. It'd make me scared as hell, yes, but it wouldn't paralyze me. Social hangups still do at times. That's the unfortunate side of anxieties/phobias - they have little basis in the real risks (or lack of risks) of doing something. | /r/seduction | 09/08/10 08:29 AM |
| 4 | What's one thing you've learned (A-ha moment) that pushed your learning curve way up?I so fucking hate that song. I'm Norwegian, and since a-ha was the only major Norwegian musical export since Grieg at the time, Take on me was played to death on Norwegian TV and radio as a matter of national pride for what felt like years. | /r/seduction | 08/08/10 05:43 AM |
| 3 | Women attracted to men in red - ABC NewsRead from "General Discussion" (last section). I'm not sure what "mynewname" is referring to - the article don't seem to exaggerate all that much. | /r/seduction | 07/08/10 12:43 PM |
| 9 | Direct GameApocalypse opener during the day/early evening? You have massive balls. Or you're a psycho :) (chances are she was worrying about which as well) Try it in a bar/club. I think the problem with using it in a cafe is that it's simply too far out of her reality. In a bar/club environment, girls expect to be hit on and quite often expect to get laid - you just need to prove your "sex worthy" and high value. In a cafe, you also has to overcome her big warning bells going off when someone goes so drama… | /r/seduction | 06/08/10 01:25 PM |
| 3 | Do you think Game needs a female opinion?...discuss.I'm offended by the fact that one might think I'm like other women and that I could be impressed by their openers. Why would a guy expect you to be impressed by an opener? That doesn't make any sense. For the most part an opener is throw-away - it will be forgotten 10 seconds later. And this doesn't make sense anyway. Presumably you don't carry around a sign that indicate you're a member of the "not impressed by your openers" society. If you're offended by it, you at some level at least believe … | /r/seduction | 23/07/10 06:35 AM |
| 3 | Advice for english girls?I'm sure you genuinely did. Even in London it'll be an advantage sometimes when you actually come across English girls, but I get the impression it's mostly English girls that are not actually from London that care. | /r/seduction | 21/07/10 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Am I supposed to go out on my own?Keep us updated :) | /r/seduction | 21/07/10 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Advice for english girls?Being a foreigner helps in general, but London is so saturated that I'm not sure it makes much difference here. There's been evenings I've been out in London where I've not actually talked to anyone English. It helps conversations, though. | /r/seduction | 21/07/10 06:17 PM |
| 1 | As a lifelong introvert, I have always struggled to have vibrant conversations with anyone, especially women. Can any one offer any advise?Explanation | /r/seduction | 21/07/10 09:32 AM |
| 1 | Am I supposed to go out on my own?I'm sure this whole process is a lot easier if you have a wing or at least someone to go out with who understands your situation. Possibly, but I wouldn't actually recommend it, at least not other than part of the time. My experience with that is that it ends one of two ways: Either I use the wing as an excuse for not doing anything (we'll talk instead), or the wing pushes me into action and when I'm alone again I'm equally stuck because I depended on that extra push. I'd recommend a wing when y… | /r/seduction | 20/07/10 03:37 PM |
| 1 | FR: One month now since "No Excuses" and "Overcoming Crippling Approach Anxiety"I couldn't yesterday. But have you been able to push yourself to do things like that? I wouldn't rush straight for a therapist if you can push yourself to do it bit by bit, so try that first. Set yourself a really small goal, such as asking a single person the time, and try for two the following day etc. If you can do that, then you have a way of overcoming it. The reason I suggest a therapist if you can't do that is that I have problems coming up with ideas for a smaller step that makes sense a… | /r/seduction | 20/07/10 03:33 PM |
| 1 | FR: One month now since "No Excuses" and "Overcoming Crippling Approach Anxiety"I have AA talking to a male guy that I don't know, I have AA asking for directions and stuff. I don't particularly want to be seen talking to ugly girls all the time either. I don't know how to explain or rationalise that one, but I would be extremely embarrassed to be seen. But can you go up and ask for directions and stuff (e.g. asking for the time and so on)? If you can, then practice that (see my other comment and link) until you feel less AA, and then step up the difficulty level. You've st… | /r/seduction | 20/07/10 11:16 AM |
| 2 | FR: One month now since "No Excuses" and "Overcoming Crippling Approach Anxiety"Read this I was in your spot too, and found a lot of the advice was taking things too fast. "Crippling approach anxiety" is not crippling if you're actually able to walk up to someone and do an opener intended to lead anywhere. Real crippling approach anxiety is the thing you have, and that I had, where you just completely freeze up. You need to step back and take smaller steps. I bet that you feel anxious in social situations with far less pressure than making a "real" approach, so practice sim… | /r/seduction | 20/07/10 11:11 AM |
| 1 | Advanced: HB8 gf (7-8 dates so far) wants to seduce another HB for 3some. She is willing to learn the game and more than willing to help out. Her looks won't be the issue. Any actual best practices and strategies to share?I don't need to worry about her being jealous - it's not my idea. I'd be doing this for her. Oh, no, no ,no... Women can say that all they want, but one misstep during or before a threesome and the jealousy can go off like a nuke. Not saying she's like that, but until you've actually done it several times don't trust a word she says about whether or not this will make her jealous. Even then be careful. I'm sure she thinks she won't get jealous. I've had jealousy strike even after multiple threes… | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 08:49 PM |
| 1 | Advanced: HB8 gf (7-8 dates so far) wants to seduce another HB for 3some. She is willing to learn the game and more than willing to help out. Her looks won't be the issue. Any actual best practices and strategies to share?Make sure you take turns gaming her - she needs to be fully into both of you. Make sure you don't ignore each other while gaming the girl - it comes off as needy if she notices she's the centre of attention all the time. Also look up dual induction massage. And make sure everyone is involved the entire time or jealousy drama is likely to ensue. | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 05:42 PM |
| 1 | How do I defuse a bitchy girl?True. It might also help by keeping her from thinking about it - some smartass that wants to be difficult would be more likely to pick "odd" choices if they get time to consider it. | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Help. Pro-tips on Social Vibing?Read the recommended material. But here's another thought: Don't worry so much about "awkward moments". They're only awkward if you make them awkward. You don't worry when you're silent around friends, do you? If things go quiet, then use the chance to observe her; look her in the eyes; smirk at her. If you can handle the "awkward moments" while seeming totally at ease, it's a DHV. More importantly, chances are she'll go bright red, stutter, look away or go "what?!?" wondering why you're looking… | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Am I supposed to go out on my own?Yeah, exactly that's what I finally realized after trying (and failing) desperately for months to get anywhere in bars. The leap was just too big, and I ended up spending evening after evening doing anything from 0 to 2-3 approaches and failing miserably with no real improvements. It was first when I was willing to accept that taking tiny little steps was necessary that I started seeing real progress. Getting to that realization was slowed down a lot by occasionally glimmers of successes in club… | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 01:58 PM |
| 3 | [FR] First approach ever; frustrating obstacles, premature ejectionCongratulations on your first approach. However, while you've picked up on one simple thing to open with (commonality of being foreigners) you seem to have totally missed the other side of the coin that also lets you get away with murder: Use the fact you're a foreigner to open Japanese people with observations and/or questions about things that are weird to you about Japan or Japanese culture. First of all that ought to be genuine. People are always interested in differences and commonalities. … | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 01:52 PM |
| 2 | How do I defuse a bitchy girl?Confront her about it in a somewhat funny way. | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 01:26 PM |
| 1 | How do I defuse a bitchy girl?You don't need to do this. People tend to lean massively towards 7 even without you doing it - that's the entire point of specifically using the number 7 over any other number. Here is an example of an online poll asking the question and demonstrating how skewed the result can get. | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 01:20 PM |
| 11 | Am I supposed to go out on my own?So what do I do? Am I really supposed to wander around town in the day with no reason other than practicing approaches?! I would probably feel so awkward that I would be rubbish. Good. You'll feel awkward because you have a bunch of hangups about what behavior is normal - you wouldn't feel awkward walking up to a friend, right? So get that out of your system. I'll deal with the awkwardness and approach anxiety, because other guys are posting decent advice on what to do if you're ok pushing throu… | /r/seduction | 19/07/10 01:13 PM |
| 2 | I am an ex pick-up instructor, AMAYou two get a room already. | /r/seduction | 15/07/10 10:56 AM |
| 1 | Day 2 / First Date AdviceI'm not even sure what all these C/S-codes are about It's Mystery Method stages. And I agree that comment is ridiculous... What matters is what level of connection you get with the girl, not how fucking many hours it takes - the time Mystery gives (7-10 hours IIRC) is his estimated average range of time spent with a girl from time to sex, not a freaking rule. As an observation the range is good - it matches pretty much my experience (though it can go both much slower and much faster) - but it's … | /r/seduction | 15/07/10 08:58 AM |
| 2 | I can't tell people what I do for a livingI have about a hundred LOLCats on my iPhone. I suddenly got an urge to put some on my phone and open a woman with "want to see my pussy?" | /r/seduction | 15/07/10 08:45 AM |
| 2 | I specialize in seduction using OKCupid, which I really love. Let's make this an AMA thread and also if there's any others of you out there, let's share tips.I'm in an open marriage to a very attractive woman, so I guess my perspective may be a bit skewed by that - I don't have any incentive to go after women I don't find towards the very high end of the scale.. I also mentally subtract when I see online profile pics as I've yet to meet anyone from online sources that looked as good in real life as on their photos... | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Mindset: There's one girl in every room who is willing to go home with you.Well obviously you have to be subtle about it. You can't be seen to be going from one group to the next. Sure you can, as long as you're seen having a good time with most of them and you approach mixed sets too and not just girls. You'll just be seen as very socially capable - a big DHV. | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Mindset: There's one girl in every room who is willing to go home with you.If it looks awkward or desperate, then you're doing it wrong. If you do it well, on the contrary, every additional girl you're seen having a good time with boosts your social proof. And your analogy is fatally flawed. In the case of the BMW, the BMW has no say in whether or not you get to buy it, and for that matter unless you're only in it for the looks you won't necessarily know which ones are BMW's. In fact, the guys that more often looks desperate are the ones that are clinging to the same p… | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 07:41 PM |
| 2 | I specialize in seduction using OKCupid, which I really love. Let's make this an AMA thread and also if there's any others of you out there, let's share tips.I don't see any of those as any more than a 6/7 to me, and not worth the hassle.... Different strokes, I suppose. | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 07:38 PM |
| 1 | I can't tell people what I do for a livingAny thoughts what could be in it? Lolcats. Lots and lots of lolcats. More seriously: Not a technical demo.. Please no technical demos. Non-geeks will of course get the 11 finger thing, but I don't think most will get the appeal of stretching technology. Something funny and entertaining is what I'd go for. Maybe something that lets you do stupid stuff to a picture of her.... Like an "x-ray goggles" app. Or a "slutty/sexy dress detector" (skin tone? check :) ) | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Mindset: There's one girl in every room who is willing to go home with you.So is it creepy when girls turn down guys until they find someone that seems to be looking for the same things as they are? | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 04:14 PM |
| 4 | Mindset: There's one girl in every room who is willing to go home with you.I started writing a long reply, but seriously... GET THE FUCK OVER THAT HANGUP. It's bullshit. It's an excuse for not doing what you need to do to get good at picking up higher quality girls. It has nothing to do with reality. | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 04:13 PM |
| 6 | I specialize in seduction using OKCupid, which I really love. Let's make this an AMA thread and also if there's any others of you out there, let's share tips.I live in London, and I feel the exact same way. I've looked around a bit, and rarely see women I'd want. | /r/seduction | 14/07/10 09:41 AM |
| 4 | Meeting randoms: how do you say you're interested in friendships, not flings?You're female. That's what makes guys think or hope you're interested in them. Most guys are completely clueless about IOI's, like silvermckenzie says. Short of flashing your boobs at a guy, chances are he'll miss it when you're actually trying to IOI but will mistake it for deep undying love when you happen to get something in the eye and blink in his direction. You have no way around this other than just telling them you're just interested in friendship if/when they come on to you. Don't worry… | /r/seduction | 10/07/10 02:01 PM |
| 5 | Reddit, she flaked before we even met in person. Can I prevent this from happening again?On dating sites you can expect the majority of initial contacts to lead to a flake, no matter how well you seem to connect. You can improve on it by going for a number quickly once you have some attraction, and then proceed by phone. | /r/seduction | 07/07/10 10:25 AM |
| 0 | I love this seduction stuff, but I'm a girl, so I don't know how much of it I can really use. Are there any seduction/PUA resources for girls?Do you have any idea how many guys would kill to have more girls going out on their own? The downside to you of going out alone is not seeming desperate (you can always answer any questions about it with "they're here somewhere", or "I've lost them" or "they've stood me up, the bastards") but significantly lowering the quality threshold of the guys that will manage to man themselves up to approach you. | /r/seduction | 21/06/10 10:55 AM |
| 6 | I love this seduction stuff, but I'm a girl, so I don't know how much of it I can really use. Are there any seduction/PUA resources for girls?It really does work more or less just the same. I've had a girl game me with what was pretty much by-the-book game - you could've switched the genders up and posted a field report written by her on any PUA site and everyone would think it was a guy doing it. Now, I noticed very quickly what she was doing, and found it hilarious (in a good way - I was in awe, she was good), but from what I gather she ran game this way pretty much whenever she wanted a guy. She was bi, so from what I understand sh… | /r/seduction | 21/06/10 10:46 AM |
| 6 | My golden opener. 95% success rate.I'd like to try it, actually... Raise one eyebrow and let it flutter slightly, put on a sleazy smile, give them that line while as sleazily as possibly unbuttoning a couple extra buttons on my shirt. And then insist on holding the conversation entirely with totally clichee lines (I used to work with a guy that loved terrorising people by calling them up and holding entire phone conversations where everything he said were titles of Shania Twain songs... ). It'd be hilarious. EDIT: Actually, for t… | /r/seduction | 16/06/10 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Noticed girls around me start using my own language quirks?If you want to push it really hard, try to work in a non-existent word in your conversation in a way that makes it understandable. E.g. use a made-up or foreign word for "cool" or some other filler word.... Report back :) | /r/seduction | 14/06/10 09:47 AM |
| 4 | Holding conversations when 'out in the field'The first rule of conversations is ASK QUESTIONS! The person asking the questions CONTROLS the conversation!! I'm torn here. Torn between downvoting for suggesting interview style, and upvoting because the idea isn't so bad and the following paragraph has some decent suggestions. Asking questions is the first rule of chodeversation. If you want interesting conversations, the first rule is to elicit information. The subtle difference being that you use most of your words to make statements (it's … | /r/seduction | 14/06/10 09:02 AM |
| 1 | After meeting and sex, She replies to one text and disappearsWe're very close. In many ways I think it brought us closer, because frankly most people will have all kinds of secret desires etc., but when you both agree it's ok then it becomes much easier to talk about that kind of stuff. It could easily go the other way though, if you let it let it. It started as we started to admit things about what we fantasized about etc. to each other that involved other people, and we agreed to give it a try. I've never been the jealous type, and neither is she. The k… | /r/seduction | 13/06/10 07:52 PM |
| 2 | I need advice for two HB who are BFF.I appreciate your reply. Personally, after the first blow-up I don't try again. A girl might accept after having the guy chasing her, but then it puts the guy in an inferior position and it's bad in the long term. However, I agree that maybe after some time he could try again, but not immediately, as that comes up as being too needy. In this case there's been no blow up or rejection of him, just of the one invitation. I agree that he should not try again immediately, and he should not under any … | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 06:01 PM |
| 1 | I need advice for two HB who are BFF.No alternative on the reply, game over. Sorry. Bullshit. I've "recovered" from many of those, as well as from having my text outright ignored for months. I've gotten laid from women for the first time after hardly talking to them for years, and then suddenly having them answer a random text. All it means is she didn't feel like meeting him now and he didn't offer something of sufficient value for her right now to make it worth suggesting an alternative. Of course, when they're not seeming very i… | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 01:53 PM |
| 5 | Advise: Street ApproachIf you can approach in a club and have some success, then a street approach is peanuts, and you should just go for it. Girls are friendlier, much less likely to blow you out, and the whole thing is far more relaxed. Absolute worst case there'll be some awkward averting eyes the next times you walk past each other. Unless you act like an ass, the more likely worst case if she rejects you is that you'll still be able to say hi and talk to her now and again and maybe get another chance. | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 01:45 PM |
| 3 | Ugh...think I just blew it.Don't think about it. Assume attraction. Always. Unless you were the only person there that looked potentially strong enough chances are there was an element of finding you to look like one of the friendlier, more attractive guys around then and there - people tend to screen even when there's not really any ulterior motive. But that's irrelevant. Focus on learning to spot and take advantage of opportunities, and assume attraction. | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 09:29 AM |
| 1 | Ugh...think I just blew it.It reminds me of reading/listening to the Mystery Method. Mystery mentioned going out with his friends with a bunch of fake cigars. Which worked great (as a prop to show social alliances) until one day a girl opened him with "Why are you holding a fake cigar?" and he didn't have a decent answer. Point being, even highly experienced guys will run into situations they didn't expect and be left stumped now and again. You can prepare - next time Mystery brought a prop out I'm sure he prepared for th… | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Hey PUAs-Ethics.I'm saying using techniques to trick a girl into liking you. Is it wrong to learn to start smiling at people instead of holding your face neutral? I used to look really grumpy even when I was happy because of the way my mouth is shaped. People commented on it, and refused to believe me when I told them I was happy. I learned to smart smiling. Likewise, I used to be really awkward at holding eye contact, and it made me look shift, uncertain and quite creepy. I learned to hold eye contact. Is that… | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 08:29 AM |
| 2 | Hey PUAs-Ethics.Here's something for you: You use "techniques" every time you talk to anyone. Every. Time. We have a wealth of stories and routines we repeat. We have mannerisms that are learned. We have all kinds of behaviours that we've picked up because they work. Most of us are just not conscious of them. | /r/seduction | 11/06/10 06:47 AM |
| 2 | How important is it that a girl asks you questions about yourself?It could go either way from the sounds of it. If you'd like her, just be playful and sexual, but make it clear you're seeing other girls. You might even want to be fairly explicit about how her bf is the only thing that lets you keep things on this level. you might have a decent shot if she ever break up with this guy, just as long as she knows where you stand. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 07:58 PM |
| 2 | Mindblowing: ASF- The Anti-slut defense.Are you calling her fat? AFCGirl, are you seeing this? | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 07:53 PM |
| 2 | Pro-Tip: That hot girl with those guys? Probably not her boyfriend.In other word. I should know better than to use non-PUA contractions in here :-P | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Pro-Tip: That hot girl with those guys? Probably not her boyfriend.Because if you can hold your own in a central London club, you can hold your own almost anywhere. Frankly I'm leaning towards more day/street game, but I enjoy myself in the clubs and want to be better at picking up when I'm there. Gay clubs is a good point - there are some very good/large ones in London and they are much more chilled. Gay guys also are much less likely to cockblock, unless you make them want you, and are great cheerleaders if they like you. I should go to some of them a bit mor… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 07:52 PM |
| 3 | After meeting and sex, She replies to one text and disappearsI just got an e-mail from a girl that's ignored me for four weeks. A while back I got a text from a girl that's ignored periodic SMS's from me for about a year. Prior to that I've gotten texts or calls from a bunch of girls after months of being quiet. However I've also had girls later freak out over the fact that they ended up having sex with me "too quickly", or decide that they wanted more, and couldn't face meeting me again because they knew I'm unavailable (married; open relationship, but o… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 04:29 PM |
| 5 | Breaking rapport during first dates?TLDR; I started completely ignoring the girl during the date, stared into space, and it seemed to improve the situation. Anytime someone is acting in a way that is annoying or boring you should treat them accordingly. Effectively, if it's behavior you wouldn't put up with from a guy friend, you shouldn't put up with it from a girl, no matter how hot. And being able to be silent is, in general, extremely powerful as long as you don't come of as being uncomfortable with the silence. Is it better t… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 04:20 PM |
| 5 | Seduction communities and NLPA lot of the "seduction community" techniques etc. are more or less considered by many to be "training wheels", and increasing confidence is indeed a large part of it - having a fallback to give you something to say, and rituals to follow, works for many to boost confidence, or at least to hide their lack of confidence until they can get enough positive experiences. Some training wheels and increased confidence alone will get you very far. The biggest problems guys have are 1) that they don't ap… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 03:58 PM |
| 4 | Mindblowing: ASF- The Anti-slut defense.You don't need to make her think there's not going to be sex, just roleplay that there's not going to be sex. It's perfectly ok, and often preferable, if she knows very well what's likely to happen. She'll rely on the role to justify to herself and others why she thought nothing was going to happen and why it just happened. But her knowing exactly what's going on removes the hassle of LMR. Plausible deniability goes both for what she tells herself and what she tells others, but it does not mean … | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 01:01 PM |
| 2 | Mindblowing: ASF- The Anti-slut defense.You can always just roll her in cinnamon. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 12:30 PM |
| 0 | Pro-Tip: That hot girl with those guys? Probably not her boyfriend.In proper clubs in central London there's a lot of hostility but rarely if ever fights. I see a steady stream of people being manhandled out of clubs by bouncers, but to their credit the London clubs have a lot of really tough bouncers and the bouncers tend to be very vigilant so things rarely escalate out of control. You will get shoved, though, and have people force themselves in front of you, grab your arms, get up in your face and talk tough etc., even if they don't have any connection to yo… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 10:40 AM |
| 1 | Pro-Tip: That hot girl with those guys? Probably not her boyfriend.If they're getting aggression off guys, they're doing it wrong, then. I don't think so, not in London. London West End is brutal. Note that it rarely escalates, but there's a lot of pushing, guys physically blocking you out, threatening poses etc. even from guys that don't know your target and haven't even spoken to her. E.g. you'll have random AFC orbiters suddenly shoving you because you dared do what they didn't. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 10:30 AM |
| 7 | Pro-Tip: That hot girl with those guys? Probably not her boyfriend.I made out with a girl a couple of months back, right next to her two male friends. Turned out they were gay, and when she told me she had to go back and pay attention to them, I asked if I could borrow her. They shrugged and said ok, and proceeded to "help" by trying to pull her skirt up for me. IOW, not only are they often not the boyfriend, if you take the time to talk to them a bit they might even help you get the girl. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 10:24 AM |
| 2 | How important is it that a girl asks you questions about yourself?Depending on what she's saying, her talking and talking instead of asking questions could be indicating she's trying to qualify herself to you. Is she saying things that sounds like she's trying to DHV? (e.g. talking about awesome stuff she has/things she's done/skills she has/people she's met). If so, chances are she thinks she's not good enough for you, and need you to qualify her to convince her that she's "made the cut". If so, congratulations, you have a luxury problem (that's easily rectif… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 10:19 AM |
| 2 | Repost from AskReddit: Advice on dancing at clubsI agree with everything you said. Dance floor game is awesome because you can go very far very quickly without getting resistance. It's socially ok for girls to get very sexual on the dance floor without her friends getting assy about it. Just as long as guys remember the points you mention and don't believe that just because she starts grinding on them right away they're already "in there" the first time she does it. Also, pulling away, negging etc. helps avoid her being dragged away by the fri… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 10:00 AM |
| 6 | Repost from AskReddit: Advice on dancing at clubsGrinding means very little to girls in clubs. You can have girls doing it until they feel your dick poking them everywhere and it still means less to them than saying hi. Start running whatever game you normally would ASAP, and make sure you're the first one to pull away if she starts grinding on you etc. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 08:42 AM |
| 1 | Repost from AskReddit: Advice on dancing at clubsbecause 9 times out of ten you can't and you will look like a spasmic idiot. True, sort of. But you don't need to know how to dance, only how not to look like a spasmic idiot. I like to consider myself a good dancer but being a good dancer is very rarely helpful to picking up girls. It can help get you attention, but to get the girls you still need to approach, and you can approach without dancing even on the dancefloor, just some small rythmic movement. Plus, while you're dancing you're not app… | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 08:35 AM |
| 2 | Repost from AskReddit: Advice on dancing at clubsArticle by Brad from RSD on dance floor game Dance floor game works. Just make sure not to use it as an excuse not to approach, because you still have to work on it. It just depends on whether or not it fits your style. Try it. | /r/seduction | 10/06/10 06:34 AM |
| 1 | London Seddit MeetupI'd come, but I'm on vacation then unfortunately. Next time :) | /r/seduction | 09/06/10 07:40 PM |
| 2 | Anybody have experience sarging in women's clothing stores?You're overthinking. A high value guy has high value friends. It's only natural that you would want to put thought into a birthday present for one of your friends. Being thoughtful like that is a high value behaviour. Being a guy prepared to charter the dangerous waters of female clothing is attractive. In general the problem is not DHV'ing other people. The problem is when you're DHV'ing people in a way that diminishes your own in relation to them. People love people that talks highly of their … | /r/seduction | 09/06/10 06:28 AM |
| 4 | Anybody have experience sarging in women's clothing stores?What you spot are uncalibrated clueless newbies. Unless it's a really tiny store with staff hovering over anyone, clothes stores is one of the easiest types of locations to start with, as long as you're polite, not creepy, and respectful (as you should be in any situation anyway, but outside on the street you're less likely to get confronted if you act like an idiot). | /r/seduction | 08/06/10 04:29 PM |
| 2 | Anybody have experience sarging in women's clothing stores?Not if the girl clearly is cool with it. But Felix_D is talking bullshit anyway - you absolutely do not need a girl to pull this off. A female pivot is far more useful in night/club game than in day game. | /r/seduction | 08/06/10 02:24 PM |
| 2 | Anybody have experience sarging in women's clothing stores?This is difficult to pull off, because you should really be asking the shop assistant for help in this situation, so the subtext of the interaction is all wrong. Nobody thinks about that when you go up and talk to them. As long as you're not Mr. Creepy, it hooks very easily. | /r/seduction | 08/06/10 02:12 PM |
| 4 | Anybody have experience sarging in women's clothing stores?Girl here: you need a female accomplice to pull this off, I think. Buying clothes for your sister is a bit odd, and you're going to get blown off with, "just get her a gift card". Nonsense. I've done this and I've seen it done, and you most certainly don't need to have a girl with you. In fact, having a girl with you is just counterproductive, as you then have to complicate the setup. Never gotten or seen anyone get the "just get her a gift card" or similar blow outs. On the contrary, in most ca… | /r/seduction | 08/06/10 02:11 PM |
| 2 | Dealing with shit testsThe entire point is that you're acting as if what she said doesn't matter - you respond to it as if you're humouring a child ("yes sweetie, you are so good at drawing, maybe you can teach me sometime", while looking at your laptop...) and turn her attempt at catching you out into her feeling she's DLV'ed or you turn it into a joke. You're implicitly saying that she's not high enough value for you to take her comment seriously enough to be reactive to in a negative way. The hotter she is, the mor… | /r/seduction | 07/06/10 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with shit testsIt takes a long time to "automatically" correct long time learned behavior in how you respond to these things. Have you never met people who, used to be ugly in school who are now beautiful, yet still have massive insecurities about their appearance, for example? Even if you "fix" everything in terms of character and skills, it'll take years before your self image corrects, if it ever does, unless you consciously work on it. | /r/seduction | 07/06/10 11:28 AM |
| 2 | Dealing with shit testsAgree and move on. Optionally agree in an exaggerated fashion. These are attempts at catch you being caught up in your ego and being insecure. E.g. "Yeah, you're right, I'm an absolutely useless dancer. I'm probably worse than my 85 year old granddad. And he's in a wheelchair. Maybe you can teach me sometime". Then move on, as if it doesn't matter the slightest. Never ever make excuses. Only insecure people make excuses for their failures or lacking qualities, because they don't have enough othe… | /r/seduction | 07/06/10 11:26 AM |
| 2 | This book on Body Language will given you an unfair advantage over everyone else.Second this. I loved it. And I particularly like the fact that he's restrained about the claims he makes rather than trying to oversell it. | /r/seduction | 26/05/10 07:31 PM |
| 1 | I want this one girl...If your worried about me obsessing over one girl for my sake, don't cause thats not what I fucking asked for and I'M NOT DOING THAT Sure you are, or you wouldn't be writing this much about how to figure out a specific girl. The fact that you "have other girls" does not mean you're not obsessing over this one. If you weren't obsessing over her, you'd have done whatever you do with other girls to make it clear you're attracted to them. Either it works, or it doesn't. No big deal right? After all, … | /r/seduction | 26/05/10 10:11 AM |
| 1 | In defense of indirect game and a little encouragement to those feeling unwelcome in a set.Unfortunately I have a similar problem - I'm an incurable geek. My hobbies include programming compilers (zZzZzZzZ...), retro computers (zZzZzZ....), remixes of 80's computer game music (is that meant to be music?), and quite a few other things that are equally unsuitable to talk about. Frankly, get more interesting to the girls. Pick up a new book every month on a subject outside what you normally follow. Force yourself to read websites with gossip about stuff you'd normally not care about now … | /r/seduction | 25/05/10 06:40 PM |
| 2 | In defense of indirect game and a little encouragement to those feeling unwelcome in a set.I agree with you on that. But at the same time, you also need to realize that most of the time women - or people in general - don't know off the bat what's good for them. That is, when you approach a woman she does not know you. She does not know what you have in mind. She does not know whether or not talking to you might lead to the most awesome things in her life. If you avoid making approaches when you think she might be somewhat uncomfortable being approached by you, you are implicitly worry… | /r/seduction | 25/05/10 03:51 PM |
| 1 | In defense of indirect game and a little encouragement to those feeling unwelcome in a set.Do you actually do it in a similar way to the guy in the video? He totally ambushed her after going indirect, without having done anything to make the conversation interesting first. To me he came off as if he was saying "you know, I started talking to you on false pretenses because I didn't have the balls to tell you what I wanted right away". Especially when he SOI's her by saying he "came over just to flirt" when it seems painfully obvious that she got caught unaware of his supposed "flirting… | /r/seduction | 25/05/10 03:39 PM |
| 1 | In defense of indirect game and a little encouragement to those feeling unwelcome in a set."I'm hitting on you" as a phrase probably causes freeze-ups/shield raising in 9 out of 10 women. How do you know this? Have you tried it much? Seen others do it? It sounds like you haven't done it much or seen much of it, because those numbers are atrocious. If you have tried and have 9 out of 10 women freezing up on you or raising shields with direct approaches, you're doing something seriously wrong. My experience with indirect vs. direct day game is that I get a far warmer and more welcoming … | /r/seduction | 25/05/10 01:59 PM |
| 1 | Day 31 - First lay! (my 7th ever)Good for you. Keep that rate up and pay attention to what works and what doesn't and you'll likely get good damn fast. | /r/seduction | 18/05/10 03:28 PM |
| 2 | Day 31 - First lay! (my 7th ever)I wish I had the time and dedication to do 700-800 approaches in a month.. | /r/seduction | 18/05/10 09:51 AM |
| 2 | So... Where do I start?Just I also know I have little place to go after the first volley, so I don't. This is bullshit. Stop making excuses. I know this is just bullshit excuses because I make the exact same ones myself whenever I don't force myself past it. So get the fuck out and try to approach. You're never going to make it past the "first volley" unless you keep approaching and giving yourself the chance to practice. If you run out of things to say, do one of the following: Just stand there, silently, and see wha… | /r/seduction | 18/05/10 06:20 AM |
| 7 | So... Where do I start?So you're saying you can approach a random stranger and start talking to them, but the conversations stall or get boring/don't lead anywhere? If I'm not misinterpreting you, you're already better off than most guys out there - most guys don't approach unless they're blind drunk. In that case, look at seddit, fastseduction.com and rsdnation.com for starters (there are lots and lots of other forums too), and start reading the material you find on openers and structuring conversations. Read field r… | /r/seduction | 17/05/10 03:57 PM |
| 2 | So... Where do I start?You start by going out anywhere where there are women, and seeing if you're able to go up to them, start a conversation, and get them attracted. Before you've done that, you won't know what part(s) of it you have a problem with. Once you actually know what part you struggle with, then you'll get far better advice. | /r/seduction | 17/05/10 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Taking her back...due to this invisible pressure we all feel to be demure and not perceived as sluts, it can be difficult to convince one of us to just jump into bed with you And my point is that this pressure is not a problem, as long as you're aware of it and take pretty basic steps to prevent it from making her say no. There are many part of picking up women I have problems with. Overcoming social anxieties is not one of them. Almost always it comes down to three simple things: Remove any fear that her friends… | /r/seduction | 15/05/10 06:15 AM |
| 1 | Taking her back...You're funny. I prefer the college girls. They're usually hotter. But the point is your preconceived notions about women's attitudes to anonymous sex just doesn't hold water, and neither does your characterisation of college girls as somehow more open to it. Women are sometimes so oblivious to female social dynamics that it's downright bizarre. I think it is at least in part because you're so damn good at putting up a facade to each other most of the time. If I had a dollar for each time I had a… | /r/seduction | 14/05/10 09:29 PM |
| 1 | Taking her back...I wouldn't expect much of a success rate overall though, considering the stigma and risks attached to anonymous sex ... we clearly don't live in the same world. Unless you're approaching college girls ... My experience is that married housewives are far easier to get interested in random anonymous sex than college girls. College girls get easy when drunk. Married housewives tend to much more actively seek it out, and many of them relish the thought of being "bad". | /r/seduction | 14/05/10 04:30 PM |
| 1 | A few questions on opening setsI've always seen these as more hardcore dancing venues rather than pickup venues. That's a limiting belief. Depends what you're after, I guess. If you want to find a nice girl to settle down with and marry, I doubt they're the right places. Then again, most bars probably are too. But girls go to the big clubs to hook up as much as they do to dance. And the energy level in them can help things a long way. On the downside is the volume, so if you rely on talking a lot more than body language, they… | /r/seduction | 12/05/10 02:21 PM |
| 1 | A few questions on opening setsThe ones that are hard to get into for men on their own :-P The big ones are really loud, unfortunately. I use ear plugs, and it's actually easier for me to follow conversations in those venues for me with ear plugs than without. For Tiger Tiger you need to be there reasonably early (as in around 10pm or earlier, when it's still fairly empty) or avoid at least Saturday. Student nights (Thursdays, usually) tend to be far easier to get into, and are often more crowded. Also there tends to be big c… | /r/seduction | 12/05/10 12:56 PM |
| 1 | A few questions on opening setsSome venues in London will quite literally have hundreds of viable sets in them on their best nights. If you want to push the numbers up for practice, it boils down to sucking it up and going where the sets are rather than necessarily where you're most comfortable. | /r/seduction | 12/05/10 12:07 PM |
| 2 | I'm a woman...can you help me?It is quite possible he has no idea that you'd consider it odd. I've been with my wife for ten years, and she still jumps to all kinds of conclusions about things I do and read all kinds of complicated meanings into them, when it's something I've done for no particular reason. Men are a lot less complicated than women give us credit for. Doesn't mean there couldn't be something, but don't start jumping to conclusions - you'll know soon enough. | /r/seduction | 11/05/10 07:49 PM |
| 4 | A few questions on opening setsI regularly have problems finding sets I'm not anxious about opening. But generally that's about my own issues, and not about the lack of actual viable sets. | /r/seduction | 11/05/10 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Seduction for couples?What's your goal with this? If it's just the sex, and she's open to it and attractive, then there are plenty of good swingers clubs / parties out there. This especially holds if you're ok with a foursome - bi girls are a hot commodity at these places. If you're worried about the ugly older people, at least many larger cities have high quality clubs that only allows couples and bi girls and/or that have age limits and vet members by phot (e.g. in London we have Killing Kittens and Fever, which bo… | /r/seduction | 11/05/10 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Ok guys, put yourself in my shoes...Fawning is ok when it is warranted by something. E.g. if a girl is really insecure about something, sometimes it's great to show a soft side and reassure her by pointing out good qualities etc.. Or if she does something really nice. You want her to know that you have good reasons for being attracted to her. But she needs to be able to recognize what she did to be rewarded with that behavior. Otherwise she'll wonder, and might decide you're acting desperate. It also needs to be something that's w… | /r/seduction | 11/05/10 03:01 PM |
| 2 | Ok guys, put yourself in my shoes...Don't make this a high pressure "date". Don't do the "dinner and a movie" crap. You don't know what she's interested in, and so that stuff could easily seem over the top. At most some low pressure place for drinks or coffee, but why not something more interesting, like a walk to show here one of your favorite spots etc.. If she wants a fancy date, make her show you she's worth it. Remember: She asked for you - she clearly sees you as high value, she's not expecting you to fall over yourself to g… | /r/seduction | 11/05/10 11:44 AM |
| 2 | As per a sedditor's request: The 21 epiphanies that helped me in my quest to become better at seduction.In addition to focus, assertiveness, compliance and frame control plays into it. People are more likely to take you seriously if you don't almost ask for permission to ask them something. And people respond quicker if you cut to the chase. For anyone that asks cab drivers "Can you stop here, please?", try changing to "Stop here! please". Of course they'll be able to respond faster because you get to the "stop" part right away. But you'll see there's also a totally different urgency in how they s… | /r/seduction | 10/05/10 11:33 AM |
| 2 | Seddit, Im a black guy...To be honest I think most white guys can get away with equally aggressive dancing if they can do it without looking as if they think they're getting away with something creepy. In respect to that, I think that the racial stereotypes play the other way. That is, it's not necessarily that white women expect black men to behave that way, but that more black men expect to get away with behaving that way and consequently are more likely to just do it without looking like creeps. I'm white, and I've g… | /r/seduction | 10/05/10 09:24 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, Im a black guy...At BYU, the simple fact of having black skin was a full standard deviation away from the norm Yeah, I can imagine. I'm in South London, in one of the most racially integrated / mixed parts of London, where interracial couples are all over the place, so the barrier is a bit higher... I stole the "one standard deviation" rule myself, don't remember where I came across it - this it was probably some post on RSD Nation or something. Most people sort of does it instinctively anyway. E.g. whenever we … | /r/seduction | 10/05/10 08:40 AM |
| 4 | Seddit, Im a black guy...The key to seducing white women is to make it clear in your demeanor and appearance that you aren't (and forgive the stereotyping here) one of "those" black guys. It's not that simple. If you want to date outside your race, then, yes, the more you fit in the better, in general. If you want sex, then there's a fairly large segment of girls that are specifically looking for the "forbidden" that are more attracted by guys that are stereotypically part of the "others", both in dress, demeanour, and … | /r/seduction | 09/05/10 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, Im a black guy...Interracial attraction is hit and miss, yes. The upside is that there is a significant number of women for whom you being of a different race to them gives you a major benefit. In my experience this outweigh any loss from the "don't date outside my race" crowd. I see the same thing when I approach black women - some clearly are not interested because I'm not their race, while others are all over me because I'm white (to the extent that they use and/or ask me to use rather politically incorrect l… | /r/seduction | 09/05/10 09:20 PM |
| 3 | Aaron Sleazy Debunking The Seduction Community - A must readMy impressions is that most of the techniques are mostly important for 1) overcoming anxieties and building confidence, and 2) keeping you in set for long enough to have learning experiences (e.g. routines are helpful if they get you past stalling early in sets and give you a chance to get a "real" conversation started). Apart from that, things teaching about becoming a more interesting person in general is good. E.g. getting better at holding interesting conversations. Learning to understand th… | /r/seduction | 07/05/10 06:38 AM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...I speak English more or less fluently. Stumble a bit when I get tired. I do have a very noticeable accent. I can't really say it affects things that much. Some girls love it, some find me hard to understand (but that's rare). There are so many foreigners in London that nobody really seems to care. My real name is very unusual in the UK and hard for English people to pronounce, so that's often a way of launching into further conversation (teasing them about it, or telling them about how I used to… | /r/seduction | 04/05/10 06:02 PM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Whistling at a girl on the street is counter-productive because it doesn't require any investment or balls, and in most cases girls implicitly recognize this. The guy takes no risk. He also does nothing to set himself apart from everyone else, nor does being whistled at require any kind of effort on her behalf to ignore. His best case is that she looks back at him and is instantly attracted by his appearance alone, and sufficiently willing to overlook his lack of investment that she'll stop and … | /r/seduction | 04/05/10 01:12 PM |
| 2 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...I've started reading The Game and understand how the slightly rude backhand compliment works. What I was suggesting has nothing to do with negs. It's not a backhanded compliment - it's a suggestion for one possible way of opening (that works) in a way that makes it hard for her to ignore you and just walk on past. But being willing to do anything to get her attention looks desperate, especially saying "hang up so I can hit on you". The desperate ones rarely if ever have the confidence to do stuf… | /r/seduction | 04/05/10 01:00 PM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Thanks. I'm Norwegian, but live in London. | /r/seduction | 04/05/10 05:12 AM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Anything can be counter-productive. But have you actually tested both? Of course it can make her lose interest to be forward if you overdo it. But on the other hand if you're being all meek and polite you're far to easy to just brush off without her even giving you her full attention. Try both and see the results. Maybe the polite approach works better for you, but for me the results are massively tilted in favour of the approach I described. | /r/seduction | 04/05/10 05:11 AM |
| 5 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Good for you. I still have a hard time with less than ideal circumstance approaches, but I'm working on it. It does take balls to approach when the circumstances aren't perfect. I second this one. I get that people are anxious about it, but I don't get why they cling to the belief that there's some rational basis for their unwillingness to do these approaches. For me it took seeing some approaches like this to really get into my head that it's no big deal. As well as doing "simpler" approaches m… | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 09:14 PM |
| 3 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...The really great women have superpowers like telepathy, so they wouldn't need a phone. Clearly if she has one she's only normal. | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:57 PM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...What are you saying to them that could possibly get that kind of response? I was writing a similar response, but decided to err on the side of assuming he's trying to be sarcastic and really doesn't understand why one shouldn't treat those approaches just like any other... Maybe I'm wrong, but for his sake I really hope I'm not. | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:54 PM |
| 1 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Hey, hands off... narcism gave them to me :-P | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:22 PM |
| 2 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...... and because most other people assume the ones at the top of the tree are so much effort, some of the juiciest apples on the tree remains unpicked even when they're so ripe they can be gotten just by slightly shaking the tree and catching what falls. If it was an either/or choice between two equally juicy apples, then I could understand. But it rarely is. | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:19 PM |
| 6 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...Don't ask. State. E.g. instead of asking "are they yours?" (my wife hates that, because she assumes it's about race - my wife is black, I'm white, and our son looks more white than black, so people have more than once assumed she's the nanny), say "your son/daughter is adorable. How old is he/she?" if they're small, or some other similar comment about them or what all of them are doing together which states the assumption they're hers. Unless she really wants to get rid of you or find you creepy… | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:14 PM |
| 0 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...WTF are you on? Most people cheat. But disregarding that: woman with children does not imply married woman, or even a relationship. There's plenty of hot single mothers out there. Even more so, because of attitudes like yours, they get approached a lot less than women that don't have kids around, so if you handle it well (and get the kids to like you) the only problem is logistics. | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:03 PM |
| 9 | What is your approach for a girl in the street under the following circumstances...1) Tell her (loudly) to hang up, so you can hit on her, and that her friend will be fine if you call her back. Do it in an exaggerated but funny way. If she objects, tell her to ask her friend what she thinks. Turn her friend into your cheerleader. If you're lucky, her friend will tell her to hear you out. If you're unlucky, it's her boyfriend, in which case you just apologize. 2) Same as in any other case. If she's truly in a rush, she'll just keep going. If she stops, she isn't really in a rus… | /r/seduction | 03/05/10 08:01 PM |
| -1 | I'm taking a girl to prom on Friday. Do you guys have any tips or gimmicks for me that night?Most teenage girls vastly enjoy dancing with boys, getting drunk, and fucking in cars. How is that being an asshole? Everybody wins! Intentionally getting her drunk == being an asshole. I have no problem with it if the girl gets drunk on herself, though if she's really drunk I wouldn't have sex with her anyway.. The day I need to get a girl drunk to get her in bed, I'll kill myself. | /r/seduction | 23/04/10 12:44 PM |
| -1 | I'm taking a girl to prom on Friday. Do you guys have any tips or gimmicks for me that night?You did mention them, I mentioned them in a negative. and your idea that he shouldn't bring out "PUA tactics" because you equate them solely to negs and indifference is stupid. Clearly you missed the "etc.". Learn to read. Those are some of the least useful "PUA tactics" that one could employ in this situation. There are many others that would be quite useful. Yes there are, which is why I wrote extensively about things he could safely do. It's always just icing if the broad will suck it down wi… | /r/seduction | 23/04/10 11:15 AM |
| 1 | I'm taking a girl to prom on Friday. Do you guys have any tips or gimmicks for me that night?Negs and indifference are only very very small concepts in the overarching PUA world. Those are useful for people that you don't already know. We (humans) use them with people we know well too, all the time, whether or not it's someone we want to pick up or not. However, I specifically did not mention negs in this case. Using negs on high school girls is almost certainly counter-productive given how low self esteem most girls that age has. Indifference about sex on the other hand is vital if he … | /r/seduction | 23/04/10 05:08 AM |
| 3 | How to talk to shy, quiet girls?Looking straight into their eyes the whole time comes across as freaky... But you can do it much longer than a few seconds. My general rule is to always look at her longer than she looks at me. If she won't look away, do something to make her, such as making a face, or go in for the kiss. Often just looking is enough - I tend to have girls starting to giggle and nervously look away. You can also use withdrawal of eye contact very effectively as push-pull - if a girl is used to you looking at her… | /r/seduction | 22/04/10 09:50 PM |
| 3 | How to talk to shy, quiet girls?I have to agree with intjpua here - withdrawing arms and legs is a sign of low comfort. It doesn't have to mean she's not attracted or can't be, but at the very least she is still quite uncomfortable around you. It could be she's attracted anyway, and that it's just that you intimidate her in some way, or she don't understand why you're interested in her, or she's terribly insecure, or any number of things, but no matter what she's at least not very comfortable, and withdrawing arms/legs does no… | /r/seduction | 22/04/10 02:41 PM |
| 10 | How to talk to shy, quiet girls?regurgitate what she was saying back to her and elicit more information from her while demonstrating that I knew at least somewhat what I was talking about. This is a valuable point. There's two things you (the general you can do here: Parroting Active listening Parroting works wonders if you don't know what you're talking about. E.g. She says she works in a story. You say "A store?", and you let it continue like that. Active listening is the slightly more intelligent version, pretty much what y… | /r/seduction | 22/04/10 08:44 AM |
| 5 | How to talk to shy, quiet girls?This is often an IOI. Most people don't have a problem either talking to people they have no interest in, or finding an excuse not to (e.g. "I have to go find my friends"), though sometimes they may be too polite to run away. Pay attention to her body language. If she turns her torso and especially feet away from you, as if ready to walk away, she's probably not engaged because she's not interested (not yet, anyway), but if her body is fully turned towards you, her being quiet just means you hav… | /r/seduction | 22/04/10 08:26 AM |
| 9 | How to talk to shy, quiet girls?awkward silence position. The only awkward silences are the ones you make awkward. Silences are perfect for building sexual tension after you've talked for a few minutes. If you can't think of anything to say, look deep into her eyes with a smirk on your face. KEEP EYE CONTACT. Don't be a pussy and look away, not even when she does - she'll look back soon enough. She'll either blush or look down or start giggling or something like that (yes, grown women start giggling from this too in many cases… | /r/seduction | 22/04/10 08:18 AM |
| 7 | I'm taking a girl to prom on Friday. Do you guys have any tips or gimmicks for me that night?EDIT: I dedicate this massive wall of text to my enduring urge not to do any work today. Thank you to PHP for it's massive soul sucking ability that has driven me to waste all day on Reddit. I came to write something similar. A prom is the worst fucking place to start bringing out too much in terms PUA tactics. Especially anything related to negs, "showing indifference" to her etc. Now, there are some things he can take away: Don't be needy about taking it towards sex, but escalate relentlessly.… | /r/seduction | 21/04/10 02:20 PM |
| 1 | I'm older than I look, live in a college town, and am not in college. It's not great, it sucks.The thing I find odd about negs is the assumption that anyone normally has anyone drooling all over her/him like some cartoonish caricature brought into reality Hot girls has that happen often enough that they are used to being put on a pedestal. I've seen that first hand often enough with my wife - she gets it all the time. or that hot girls are necessarily secure. They may not be secure in all respects, but even those that don't believe they are beautiful or in other ways are insecure about th… | /r/seduction | 16/04/10 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Advice pleaseFor starters, fix your self talk. Stop the fuck putting yourself down. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every time you call yourself a moron etc., tell yourself "STOP!", and find a good quality you have and mention that to yourself instead. Get used to seeing yourself in a positive light - it'll noticeably improve your confidence levels. | /r/seduction | 16/04/10 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Advice pleaseLeading the conversation is not the same as doing most of the talking. Set the frame and drive it towards topics that may improve attraction (e.g. topics where he's got input that demonstrates value, or that are ideal for sexual innuendoes, for example). But he doesn't need to be talking all that much. When you get a girl working hard to keep the conversation going on a "favorable" subject, she's investing heavily in you. | /r/seduction | 16/04/10 10:28 AM |
| 1 | I'm older than I look, live in a college town, and am not in college. It's not great, it sucks.To make it clear also he didn't say neg. Actually, I did. But the point is pretty much the same. I find his reaction kind of comical, because people use negs all the time. Including women and people who've never heard about pickup. The only difference is that we have a word for it and know to look for it and sometimes consciously apply it. In this case, if an older guy is out with a younger woman, and they find out each others respective ages, the maturity of the younger part is a completely nat… | /r/seduction | 16/04/10 09:40 AM |
| 1 | I'm older than I look, live in a college town, and am not in college. It's not great, it sucks.Why? It's usually true, and I will drop any girl like a hot potato if I don't think they're mature enough to handle what I'm into, especially because my sexual tastes are pretty kinky. If she can't qualify herself to me on maturity, I know that she'd certainly freak out completely at a later stage and I have no interest in dealing with that shit. The ones who do qualify themselves as mature enough, on the other hand, can usually both handle themselves (e.g. they know how to say no before things … | /r/seduction | 16/04/10 09:31 AM |
| 2 | ATTENTION SEDDIT: There is no such thing as online game. Go out and find real girls to game on. Every rejection is a learning experience.I wouldn't open via e-mail - I'd open via a site like Hotornot for example. Point being that I don't often do realtime stuff anymore, mostly because it hogs my time less when I can decide when to answer. | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 07:19 PM |
| 1 | ATTENTION SEDDIT: There is no such thing as online game. Go out and find real girls to game on. Every rejection is a learning experience.Just don't let it turn into a crutch. I did. It's worked great in getting me laid, but it also meant I delayed fixing my issues in other areas much longer than I should have, and while I've met some really good looking girls online, there's no doubt it'd been easier to meet the same quality or higher girls in real life if I'd invested the same amount of time in picking up game earlier. | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 03:57 PM |
| 2 | ATTENTION SEDDIT: There is no such thing as online game. Go out and find real girls to game on. Every rejection is a learning experience.Yes, I opened her on IRC. All my online game is on girls I've opened online to this day - if I've opened her somewhere else, and she wants my facebook or e-mail or something like that, I just turn her down and tell her it's a phone number or nothing, no exceptions. The 35 minute close was years ago, though, when girls weren't yet wary about meeting random strangers they'd just talked to online, which is how it could go down that quickly. These days I expect to spend more time on it, and generall… | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 03:54 PM |
| 1 | I'm older than I look, live in a college town, and am not in college. It's not great, it sucks.I'm 34, generaly told I look mid 20's, and I mostly hook up with girls 18-25. I couldn't imagine running away from an 18-19 year old girl... As long as I'm still able to get them into bed, why would I take away their chance of enjoying my experience, while I enjoy their firm young bodies... :-P We'd both lose out. While there are a few girls that age that will find it creepy once they find out your age, most girls either couldn't care less or love older guys. Once I've met someone face to face, … | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 02:04 PM |
| 2 | ATTENTION SEDDIT: There is no such thing as online game. Go out and find real girls to game on. Every rejection is a learning experience.i would argue that there is no such thing as an online opener, or online attraction. You'd think differently once you've had a few girls admit to you after sex that they decided they wanted you because they got wet just reading your messages. My record for opening a girl online to F-close: 35 minutes, 10 minutes of which involved her getting from where she was to my office, the rest of which was chatting on IRC. | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 10:31 AM |
| 2 | ATTENTION SEDDIT: There is no such thing as online game. Go out and find real girls to game on. Every rejection is a learning experience.However, it is a fact that the quality of women you meet online will be lower. Girls that don't have to meet guys online generally don't. Nonsense. You might not find the highest quality girls on dating sites, but they're all online. You just need to look other places - e.g. social networking sites, IM, places where they aren't hanging out because of any intent on their part to get picked up, but are still available. Like it or not there is still a stigma attached with online dating. This is esp… | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 10:28 AM |
| 1 | My girlfriend is sexually hesitant, we've established that we are into each other, touching is fine, but whenever I try to kiss, she draws back. I don't see sex anywhere close. How do I make her more comfortable with these things?Why do you think she's into you if she won't even kiss you? | /r/seduction | 15/04/10 10:23 AM |
| 1 | What's your most effective PUA tactic? Does anyone here actually practice "patterning"?Everybody uses patterns. The question is whether or not you consciously learn patterns vs. let your subconscious create patterns from experience. | /r/seduction | 14/04/10 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Friendzoning GirlsJealousy has never really been an issue for us. I think the main thing there is simply making sure we're sensitive to whether or not the other is getting what he/sahe needs. E.g. I wouldn't go out meeting other women if my wife is frustrated she's not getting enough sex, or just enough of my time, - that'd be begging for trouble. Also, how do you keep it to just sex with the girls you play with? I mean you can go in intending for nothing but play, but feelings are something you don't necessarily… | /r/seduction | 10/04/10 01:53 PM |
| 1 | Friendzoning GirlsI wouldn't really call it polyamory in as much as I don't have any romantic involvement with any of the other girls I play with. Romance/love is exclusively for my wife. With other girls it's sex or friendship. Personally I don't so much keep girls as "backup" as "on the bench". I don't have time to juggle sexual relationships with a lot of girls at the same time (wife, son, day job, evening work on a startup all receives priority before other women, in that order) and that means there may be gi… | /r/seduction | 09/04/10 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Friendzoning GirlsAnd if your relationship isn't happy enough for you to want to give up the game, maybe you should rethink having a girlfriend, or at least rethink having this particular girlfriend. Can't agree with that. I'm married. Yet, there's no way I'd stay satisfied with only one woman in my life.. Thankfully my wife is ok with that - we both sleep around with each others knowledge, though me more than her. You can have it all ;) That said, I'm more interested in these skills as a general way of getting b… | /r/seduction | 09/04/10 07:54 PM |
| 3 | Um, where the god damn would I even start?Can you approach? As in, can you walk up to a random girl at your college or in a bar and start talking to her? (whether you screw up doesn't matter) If you can, do it. Try to figure out what you do wrong. Then fix it, ask for advice again, or go read some of the stuff that's been recommended. Repeat. No amount of reading will substitute for doing. Reading without doing is just mental masturbation. If you "can't" approach, google "approach anxiety" and/or get a friend to force you to approach. T… | /r/seduction | 09/04/10 01:49 PM |
| 1 | Tyler Durden on trying too hard and how to avoid itThat's true, but I think most men continue to talk much far too long. The part of my game that's weakest is opening and getting initial attraction, because I'm very introvert and have to force myself to talk to people, and I find that stuff intensely boring. And there you're right, you do need to talk enough. Not always, though - my best pick ups have been 10-20 words from meeting her to the girl pushed her number on me. Once I have attraction on the other hand, I revert to my usual self and my … | /r/seduction | 06/04/10 09:30 AM |
| 4 | I found out about this five years ago and I've STILL not done anything with it. Advice?Is it anxiety or do you "just" fail to take action? The two often end up being grouped as approach anxiety, but for me at least they're very different. I never have/had much anxiety, but I've got a constant battle to break free of old patterns that dictate my behavior around women. I'd know I should approach, I'd think to myself I wanted to approach, I'd stand there thinking, "ok, now walk over", and I'd just do nothing. Though when I'd have people pushing me into sets I'd feel little or no anxi… | /r/seduction | 01/04/10 11:02 AM |
| 1 | The worst rejection of my life.It's funny that you think your appearance is a big deal. If I'd had a dollar for every time I've heard white girls lust after Indian guys, I'd be rich. Some girls will reject you over it, yes, but others will chase you for it if you just pay attention. As for being "skinny and lanky". I'm muscular and big, and while that attracts some girls, I've probably lost attraction with a similar amount of girls that prefers skinny guys (yes, I've had girls explicitly pull out my muscles as a negative - no… | /r/seduction | 01/04/10 09:44 AM |
| 1 | The worst rejection of my life.Wow, that's harsh... Props for going out there, and for realizing even a nasty blow out like that doesn't matter. Apart from what went wrong going in, here's some thoughts: You realize now that it wasn't a big deal. Take that with you next time someone tries bullshit like this. Laugh it off. Smile when replying and just plow through. "Yeah, I've been a real dork haven't I. What is it you love about dorky guys, anyway?" or "yeah, you see my parents kept me locked up in the basement until earlier … | /r/seduction | 01/04/10 09:36 AM |
| 3 | What Women Really Think About Men Who Don't Approach ThemWalking up to them from behind, up so I'm next to them (making sure to be far enough towards their front that they have me in their peripheral vision, or you will spook people) on whichever side they're not holding their purse (don't want to risk them thinking you're about to take their purse..), then I firmly push my fingers against the front of her upper arm to get her attention (firm - a light touch seems creepy; try it with friends...), while turning to I face her. Plant my feet, lean back (… | /r/seduction | 29/03/10 03:40 PM |
| 11 | What Women Really Think About Men Who Don't Approach ThemAs an added data point: I just recently started opening girls on the street. The first two days I tried it, I opened about 20 girls. While not many of the conversations lasted very long, only one responded negatively, despite me being badly calibrated, and all she did was say "no" and walk off. Every single other girl stopped, smiled at me, and at an absolute minimum thanked me and told me they were flattered. Several of them got all flustered and and lit up as if this was a major event in their… | /r/seduction | 26/03/10 10:09 AM |
| 5 | Seddit, how many of you study the material not because you want to be a PUA, but because you want the partner of your dreams?The way you'll act when you're in a solid relationship with someone and is being honest and transparent is in many ways extremely similar to game. A lot of the "PUA stuff" is the way it is because it's a "simplified simulation" of the type of behaviors that naturally creates and maintains attraction. You don't need to keeping "gaming" as such, but you do need to keep behaving like a real man. And for many (most?) of us that have come to the realization we needed to improve in the first place, th… | /r/seduction | 25/03/10 04:11 PM |
| 1 | How To Pick Up Girls For RealI was referring mainly to getting laid :) I agree with you about the worth dating part... | /r/seduction | 25/03/10 11:55 AM |
| 3 | How To Pick Up Girls For RealLike most other good things in life: It's only such a big deal when you don't get it often enough. | /r/seduction | 25/03/10 11:23 AM |
| 1 | Direct game: thoughts?The way I see it, I expect direct to cause me to get blown out more and get fewer numbers, because the lack of an excuses forces her to make a choice. E.g. she can't tell herself that I'm just some non-threatening guy that she can go out with and have fun, because she knows that I find her attractive, and intend to act on it. But I expect a higher percentage of those that do lead to a close to lead where I want for the same reason. There's no room for misunderstanding about the premise (this goe… | /r/seduction | 23/03/10 01:34 PM |
| 3 | Direct game: thoughts?:) All the way through the steps you list, you can make your intent clear. It doesn't need to be with words, but it can be after the opener. If you don't, you wouldn't be having any success at getting laid. So you do. Think through some of your conversations. When you DHV, unless you're being really, really subtle, chances are you often display some level of intent. If you ever comment on her appearance. Certainly when you start asking about her, or getting her to tell you about herself, or when… | /r/seduction | 23/03/10 11:36 AM |
| 1 | Direct game: thoughts?Is the overall structure the same? How would you continue once you've made your intent clear with indirect openers? That's effectively where you start. How do you deal with giving compliments now because the real reason you opened her was you thought she was hot? Do you guys euphemize this with, "You seem interesting" or just throw it out there, "You're a beautiful woman, let's talk." The latter. The former sounds to me like "I think you might be a an ok enough friend to have; I may or may not t… | /r/seduction | 22/03/10 05:02 PM |
| 2 | Direct game: thoughts?In most ways I'm reasonably average looking, but I do power lifting and while I'm not very muscular, I'm muscular enough that the only peacocking I ever do is to put on a tight t-shirt (I find that works both ways, though - some girls get intimidated and very noticeably avoids me if I'm dressed that way). In terms of how direct, I'll tend to open with a variation of just introducing and before/after making a statement about her. E.g. "You're adorable/hot/sexy/whatever" (note: it's generally a go… | /r/seduction | 22/03/10 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Direct game: thoughts?Indirect street game on a moving target doesn't really work. Sure it does. You just need to turn her into a standing target.. :) I'm relatively new to street game, and I prefer going direct, but I've never failed to stop a target before delivering my opener so far. Once she's standing there, whether you go direct or indirect doesn't matter much. A way of doing that is to get up to her side so she can see you (to avoid freaking her out), and touch her arm (firm but gentle - be too careful and it … | /r/seduction | 22/03/10 12:54 PM |
| 1 | Direct game: thoughts?I prefer direct. I couldn't imagine going in indirect - it feels fake to me, and it feels like it'd show. That last part is my issue, if indirect works / feels genuine to you, then that's great. My situation (I'm married, and has a kid, and while we have an "arrangement" I love my wife and don't want to spend lots of time chasing other women; I just want the extra sex... yes I'm greedy) also leaves me with very little time and no reason to settle, and so I don't want to deal with any bullshit - … | /r/seduction | 22/03/10 12:26 PM |
| 2 | What are some good tips for Short Guys,...other then the wear vertical stripes to look taller b.s.Ignore it or make it a feature. Make it clear you trust yourself to be enough. She making fun of it? Then take control of it. "Yes, I'm tiny. You know the best thing about me being short is? I don't have to bend down to motorboat you", cue exaggerated diving in... Or "Hey, I'm down here" motioning to your eyes, while you stare at her tits. Or turn it around and make fun of her being a tall freak and that it's you that's "normal" height. "It's not often a guy of my height finds a woman that's tal… | /r/seduction | 22/03/10 10:48 AM |
| 1 | Today I tested positive for Herpes Type 1My understanding is that HSV1 is unlikely to recur in the genital region. Yes, you're right. It's less likely than HSV2. But it still happens often enough that 2-5% of reoccurring genital herpes outbreaks are thought to be from HSV1 in the US, despite HSV1 accounting for less than 1/3 of initial herpes outbreaks in the genital region... So it's still worth being careful about. You're right it's not practical to avoid HSV1 in the mouth, but avoiding HSV1 in the genital region is on the other hand… | /r/seduction | 21/03/10 01:40 PM |
| 2 | Today I tested positive for Herpes Type 1It's not HSV2, which is the one that most people get upset about. But the reason most people get upset about HSV2 is that it is normally considered "genital herpes" as opposed to HSV1 which is usually considered to affect the mouth region. He's saying he's gotten HSV1 in the genitals. In terms of symptoms and effects they're largely interchangeable (and it's not unusual anymore to get HSV1 in the genital region). I agree with you it's not a huge deal, though. | /r/seduction | 21/03/10 12:55 PM |
| 0 | When you smile, show your damn teethI agree we shouldn't discount the findings alltogether, but I also don't think that the okcupid research says anything that can be just carried over to anything more than what it measured, namely what gets more e-mails when used as a profile picture on okcupid. I say this not only based on my experience face to face with people, but also from observing how differently different dating sites are in terms of what "works" for me. E.g. a finely tuned message that'll net you answers from 3 in 10 on o… | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:44 PM |
| 1 | When you smile, show your damn teethNot average American teeth - I'm not American :) . Average by local standards. | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:32 PM |
| 1 | When you smile, show your damn teethThat I agree with.... There's plenty of situations where smiling won't work. | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:30 PM |
| 0 | When you smile, show your damn teethThere is no "positive data" that is relevant in this case. There is a poorly controlled study with no account made for a huge number of confounding factors, based on a non-random dataset. It can be useful to form a more general hypothesis to test, but it's in no way suitable to support a theory that extends past how the userbase of OKCupid will act on their site. EDIT: you'll also note that I'm not jumping to the conclusion that the submitter is correct either. It matches my experience better, b… | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:22 PM |
| 1 | When you smile, show your damn teethThat is true, but a it is a data point that demonstrates that not nearly everyone gets creeped out by people putting on huge smiles, which means that what pinxox said is too general. And that was my point. He made a general claim, which my experience completely contradict. | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Getting called out on The GameFeigning ignorance when someone just mentions it is very different from what you describe. Pretending not to be phased when someone starts acting like what you mention fails because it's a clear sign that you do know what she's talking about. You don't put up with shit like that from people if you're genuinely ignorant about what they're talking about, unless you're seeking their approval. Even then, you can ignore it, but it takes a lot stronger frame - you'd need to push back hard, along the t… | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 08:06 PM |
| 1 | When you smile, show your damn teethStill not the same. First of all a dating site is very different from, say, Facebook. And dating sites have very different and specific demographics. What works on OkCupid is unlikely to transfer directly even to other dating sites. Also, he's saying "appears more attractive and confident", while the OkCupid data refers to who receives more messages. There's little reason to assume that it is the same - previous OkCupid posts have indicated that people tend to avoid messaging the most attractive… | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 07:37 PM |
| 2 | When you smile, show your damn teethWhat is "too much"? I used to not smile much. Then I dialled it up. But the best response I get when I do the overdone American style both-rows-of-teeth-showing smile - it has random strangers complimenting me on the street (and I have average teeth), and gets lots of people to smile back. This is in London, where most people you see on the street looks like smiling would kill them. It does depend on what you want to achieve, though. If you want to pick someone up, you'd better avoid smiling too… | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 06:51 PM |
| 1 | When you smile, show your damn teeth... in a profile picture on an online dating site. Specifically, on one with the demographics of OkCupid... It's interesting, but it's not exactly something you can extrapolate from. | /r/seduction | 20/03/10 06:47 PM |
| 2 | Is there any good material on touching (kino)?It's worth pointing out that while the above is an good set of guidelines to avoid messing up completely for someone who is nervous and not experienced with it, it's not worth it to be too obsessed about sticking to the above, and it can be fun to experiment with how much further you can push it (you'll be amazed when you get your first "instant makeouts" etc.). The above list is "safe", which is great to get some improved confidence, but also "slow and boring" when you get the hang of it. You c… | /r/seduction | 15/03/10 03:10 PM |
| 7 | PROTIP: keep eye contact with her until she looks away. It's sexy.I once smiled and held eye contact with a girl on the train for about 15 minutes, while she stared back with a massive scowl, also never yielding... It was hilarious. It started innocently enough, with me just casually glancing over at her and smiling, but then she gave me the nastiest scowl and didn't look away, so I decided to see how long she could keep it up. Unfortunately I had to get off a few stops later. | /r/seduction | 01/03/10 08:43 PM |
| 4 | Dear Seddit, I need advice about IOIsIOIs are a crutch. Nothing wrong with giving eye contact to everyone as long as you're being friendly and natural about it, and not creepy-stary guy. In fact, do that. Go around and give eye contact to everyone. Get used to giving eye contact without there being any expectations behind it. It's liberating, enjoyable once you get used to it, and gives you one hell of a confidence boost once you start noticing how much it cheers people up to be treated as real people without you wanting anything f… | /r/seduction | 27/02/10 11:55 PM |
| 3 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.Yeah: LOOKS, YOUTH, HEIGHT, and MONEY. Real “natural.” Other than that, if it can be taught, it can be caught. The method may be different, but the AGENDA is not, and a POLYGRAPH stops all this crap no matter what a guy “runs.” Then truth – AFC – wins. WTF? If you think "natural game" is about relying on external factors, you've completely missed the point. If anything, the "dogma" of natural game is that external factors means nothing. Of course it can be taught - that's the entire point, but t… | /r/seduction | 23/02/10 06:24 AM |
| 2 | What's with the sudden jump in RSD/Tyler Durden posts?You don't need to buy anything off them to get a ton of value... RSD Nation is an awesome resource. | /r/seduction | 15/02/10 02:48 PM |
| 0 | Going For Sex Early » Roosh VWow... So much misogynist crap in one place. Article is bad enough (though the underlying idea that pushing for sex early is ok if that's what you're after is fine, though hardly original) but the commenters are a bunch of sad fucks EDIT: Ah, the quiet downvoters have arrived. Clearly both afungi and I hit a nerve with a couple of misogynist assholes. | /r/seduction | 15/02/10 01:10 PM |
| 1 | I am 21 in 6 days. Help me look stylish and be interestingStop over-thinking it. Stop thinking you are "nearly" ready. You've been ready since your balls dropped. Unless you are suffering from overpowering approach anxiety and just "can't" approach women, doing approaches is the main thing you should worry about, not how to dress. Note that I'm not saying it's not cool that you care about your appearance. But do that for you. If you're comfortable and confident about who you are it really does not matter much what you're wearing or how you style yourse… | /r/seduction | 11/02/10 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Contemplating doing an RSD bootcamp? Anyone else got any experience with them?Read the success stories on RSD Nation. They're inspiring reading. I'm tempted. EDIT: Getting downvoted for suggesting a source of feedback and further details. Nice. Fucking idiots. | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 11:38 PM |
| 7 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.There's lots of people practicing 'old school' routine based PUA, but the problem with it is that it's gotten higher profile and so a lot of girls will recognize it for what it is, and a lot of guys don't like the deception often involved. What's taking its place is "natural" game: Avoiding routines. Avoiding indirect stuff and deception. Instead learn the habits and behaviors that guys that are naturally good with women use. The things that cause genuine attraction. I.e. the whole obsession guy… | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 02:03 PM |
| 3 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.Trust me, you would have realized. This was a small club. The 2 metre march + rotate maneuver took up half the dance floor and left a lot of bemused people watching. It made my evening, though the girl wasn't that interesting. | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 10:40 AM |
| 5 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.Someone who decides whether or not to sleep with someone based on some idea of what the future may bring with them and how he collects unicorns and saves orphans rather than because they want to because it's enjoyable and because they're turned on, is fucked up in the head. Note that if someone doesn't feel like sex on a first date, then there's nothing wrong with that. Their choice. But fuck. I'm always completely honest with girls. I'm married (open relationship; we both meet others from time … | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 09:58 AM |
| 1 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.I didn't mean to imply they were, though that might not be clear - I don't know them. Just that the way she described PUAs, she's just weeding out bottom feeders / outdated routine users. And maybe the occasionally new guy that's just trying to overcome his anxieties. | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 09:48 AM |
| 2 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.It's a compelling thought... She's teaching them to reject "regular" guys with too poor self confidence to just go up and say hi, and perhaps a handful of "old school" routine based PUAs or kids who are relying on old outdated books like "The Game". She's literally gift wrapping these girls for experienced PUAs who'll roll up and seem all natural and not trigger any alarms because they don't spout lines... She might as well put a stamp on their forehead saying "PUA, this one will be easy" | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 09:44 AM |
| 7 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.It can't be a tick. Most guys probably won't notice if you do a quick wink. They'd have to do an exaggerated theatrical 5 second one. And then they'd probably still have to flash their tits and write "come here, stud" on them with lipstick before the average guy realizes they're being hit on. Ok, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little. I'm guilty of being totally oblivious myself too. I once didn't realize that some girl was interested despite long stares, winking and giggling (I had a full lobotomy… | /r/seduction | 10/02/10 09:38 AM |
| 10 | "Flirt school" for women in London. Part of what they teach is how to avoid PUAs.From that description they're being taught to avoid "old school" routine oriented game that went out of favor years ago. Yeah, I'd want to avoid guys that still do that crap too. The hilarious part is that the advice they're given in the article boils down to "be obvious - most guys won't have the balls to approach you unless you throw yourselves at them". | /r/seduction | 09/02/10 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Crosspost: IAmA female active in the PUA/seduction community.I fully agree with you. One of the best players I've seen was a bi woman that picked me up; or we picked eachother up, or whatever. Almost all of what she did was probably calibrated more towards women than men from what I saw, but I can see it working on both. I got a bit shell shocked at first, because she acted fast. Before I knew it was like she was flipping to a "gaming manual" at high speed.. I was half expecting her to start throwing out specific routines, but she kept it natural. Then I … | /r/seduction | 04/02/10 01:14 PM |
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