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You can hook at least 30% of girls, but getting there is fucking hard.
/r/seduction20/07/14 07:16 AM
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Overwhelm her while keeping her comfortable.
/r/seduction20/07/14 07:14 AM
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The question of how many girls you have to approach to get laid is more complex, I'm answering how many instant blowouts do i get. When I started out it might have been as high as 50%. I have a boyfriend or this ismy girlfriend happened all the time, girls would be completely stone faced or unenthusiastic. When you're not in a social mood this will still happen to me about 30% of the time. Hotter girls do it more often. When I'm on it it's probably closer to 10%. Almost all of these reactions yo…
/r/seduction20/07/14 06:05 AM
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Meh, it inspires me. It shows what's possible so I can try it.
/r/seduction14/07/14 10:31 PM
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I think you guys are missing the point. This man is saying that he wants money, and that's it. He doesn't want love, happiness, challenge or women. He wants money. I've read the book, in it he describes how to become a dynasty, not just rich. He doesn't care about anything else.
/r/seduction14/07/14 08:54 PM
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So this is a weird phenomenon and one of the most interesting to me in pickup. When you approach a lot of girls and do it consistently, you steadily become more loose when talking to girls, care less about what happens, and assume the best more often. Your voice opens up, your body language improves, and you feel less social anxiety. You just become more confident. The effect is pronounced and rapid to the point that it seems to be less you learning how to be social, and more a mammelian impulse…
/r/seduction09/07/14 05:03 AM
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Solid post Of course our first paragraphs are identical and I get down-voted into oblivion, but as a girl you get top comment. Well done getting the message out anyway.
/r/seduction09/07/14 03:31 AM
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Do awesome shit or gain social momentum.
/r/seduction09/07/14 01:46 AM
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Thanks, solid input. It depends on the girl, there are stronger ways of making that statement, and I've explained it as ambitious men want sexual variety but it has no bearing on my love for her. I don't like monogamy and play things about board though.
/r/seduction09/07/14 01:12 AM
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It was probably that you weren't warmed up. Girls punish bad game ruthlessly and they can see it from far away. I've also had it happen a lot where girls will immediately assume I suck without paying attention and I have to pro-actively get their attention so they have the chance to see I'm awesome. That's basically what plowing is.
/r/seduction09/07/14 01:02 AM
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won't I come off as a player/cheater ish person if I flirt with them though? Your girl won't like it because it threatens her security, but it's also what makes you sexy. You have to explain to her that she's going to slowly lose attraction for you and you're going to slowly die inside if you don't have the ability to get other girls. Look at almost every older married man if you want examples. It's analogous to her staying fit and dressing well. Also, if you're being exclusive with her it's a m…
/r/seduction08/07/14 11:29 PM
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If I were a girl? Holy fuck yes.
/r/seduction08/07/14 11:07 PM
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What the fuck?
/r/seduction08/07/14 11:03 PM
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Nope, just remember to maintain your swagger by gaming other girls consistently. You don't need to bone them but it's fun if you set the right precedent with your girl. Keep your boat, as Patrice O'neal said.
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:48 PM
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Holidays are the shit: tourists. Girls want a vacation fuck.
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:42 PM
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Social momentum gives you confidence, it's the single biggest leverage point for a newbie.
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:37 PM
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Use peripheral vision. Though you should always go in on your girl first. If the girls are looking at you or they aren't having fun then you need to engage them. Girls will get super jealous if they aren't enjoying themselves. If not, you can ignore them and isolate. You're best off engaging them at some point even if it's just to introduce yourself. The important point is to get the friends a little attracted to you so they want your approval(it's also fun watching her friend's expression go fr…
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:31 PM
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They're more contributive physically.
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:19 PM
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Stroke his ego then his penis, it's that simple. Looking and acting sexy will amp it up, but but a date means you're in. If you make innuendo implying you'd like to go home with him, and he's unresponsive, it probably flew over his head and it's unlikely he's rejecting you.
/r/seduction08/07/14 10:12 PM
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You have to warm up. Talk to a lot of girls in quick succession. It's not that you're running out of things to say, it's that you're filtering yourself.
/r/seduction07/07/14 07:12 PM
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It's not what you're doing while talking to her, it's what you're doing before. Go talk to more girls in the environment, when you're having more fun you barely notice and when you have more options you don't care. The more hot girls you talk to over the course of your life the less it will affect you so start talking to hot girls a lot.
/r/seduction05/07/14 04:56 AM
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There's a difference between want and need. If you want a girl but don't need her, she'll be turned on and chase you. Weirdly, the things girls do are designed to subtlety and gradually break a guy. She wants to make him compromise himself to keep her. It gives her security in the relationship, but it also means he's less powerful and thus less attractive. If the balance sways too much she leaves. If you can replace a girl easily and she starts demanding things of you which are not in your favor…
/r/seduction05/07/14 04:48 AM
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1 I like practicing for the sake of it. Girls are so sweet and cute when they're attracted no matter what they look like. I didn't like to when I was beginning, I thought it shitty to lead her on, but either way it's fun for a girl. You learn so much faster too, when you are used to trying to close, you don't hesitate anymore. Maybe you've never been in a situation where you could have gotten a number or had sex with a girl but didn't because you froze, but I have way too many times and it was b…
/r/seduction05/07/14 01:57 AM
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Try stuff, that's how you learn. You could have convinced HB8 that Jen needed to go home, you could have snuck off with HB8, you could have stuck in until they inevitably went home and either took hb8 somewhere else or went to her room where she's staying. The girl was on your team, collaborate with her to avoid the bullshit.
/r/seduction05/07/14 01:46 AM
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Learn to project. It doesn't matter what she says in the first couple minutes, take her to a quieter area.
/r/seduction05/07/14 01:33 AM
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Cheesy for my taste, but that's just me. You can say anything. I kiss girls when I feel like it, and it's normally when she's rambling, we're enjoying silence, or to punctuate a nice moment.
/r/seduction05/07/14 01:30 AM
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How do I turn conversation sexual Stare into her eyes like you're about to bone her and get in close and talk like you're on the pillow. You could be talking about tellytubbies and the message would still get across.
/r/seduction05/07/14 01:26 AM
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Sugar and spice, every girl can be an angel or a demon for you depending on her goals.
/r/seduction05/07/14 12:56 AM
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a) Hit up more girls, getting more talkative and having more fun dulls that need. b) practice the fundamentals: vocal tone, eye contact, proximity etc.
/r/seduction05/07/14 12:54 AM
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Have sex with her and slowly teach her over the course of other dates. Most girls like a submissive role, and BDSM is just a more intense flavor of that.
/r/seduction05/07/14 12:50 AM
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How are your fundamentals? Laser eye contact, Square to the girl, Getting as close to the girl as she's comfortable, BR tonality, Keeping the pressure on, Setting the man-woman frame ASAP, Passing shit-tests, Mini-bouncing, Always asking for numbers, Pushing for the pull, Taking advantage of the twilight hour.
/r/seduction05/07/14 12:41 AM
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What they say is completely irrelevant until they hook, and then you can just pull them to a quiet area anyway. Don't ask 'what' within the first couple minutes even if you don't hear her, you're investing too much too early.
/r/seduction04/07/14 09:02 PM
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The rsd YouTube channels are great, newbie guides are great. Learn how to 'set the rhythm' and you can practice gaming the wall for when you want to BT spike or plow.
/r/seduction04/07/14 09:00 PM
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It's not that important. Being put together gets you a few more looks and can give a better first impression, but your follow through is so much more powerfulkit doesn't really matter. It's actually solid practice going out looking scrubby because you get used to bursting past initial judgment; it also demonstrates just how useless looks are when you're in the zone. It doesn't even get you fewer girls calling you a psycho killer when pulling. It's not your clothes it's your game.
/r/seduction04/07/14 08:54 PM
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It's fun and makes her horny but isn't necessary. As long as it's clear you want her you don't have to touch her. At the same time, she has to feel that you could if you wanted to, you have to know how to build tension. I've had girls lunge at my face while not touching them because of the way I spoke and looked at them
/r/seduction04/07/14 08:49 PM
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It's really situational, listen to what girls do, not what they say. They're probably saying that because they're envisioning some weird guy, as apposed to one who's attractive when they're horny. The girls who really don't like being touched at the moment they meet a cool guy have serious hangups about being touched, they're a very small minority and I bet your friends are misrepresenting themselves.
/r/seduction04/07/14 08:46 PM
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Eh well it IS sex, but some girls will chase hard if you play right. It's also bullshit, the girl should be on your team.
/r/seduction04/07/14 06:58 AM
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Attractive girls always have a love interest. Do with that knowledge what you will. It's dying because you cared, just like a shit test, if you flinch you fail.
/r/seduction03/07/14 11:37 PM
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Heh, yeah it might be bipolar disorder =/
/r/seduction03/07/14 03:09 AM
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It might be a psychiatric condition. If not try building some momentum in case that opens you up.
/r/seduction03/07/14 12:49 AM
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Either that or he's giving off really weird vibes.
/r/seduction02/07/14 05:13 AM
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Dinner party!
/r/seduction02/07/14 05:11 AM
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I'm nowhere near your level, I'm still getting the feel for push pull and regularly push too hard. The theory I've seen from Julien is that you can go push heavy, or you can stack disqualifiers by cutting her off while she's qualifying herself. The problem is if you validate her, she'll get what she wants and bounce. Instead you have to be seduced by her charm, "emotionally overwhelmed" he says.
/r/seduction01/07/14 08:23 PM
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Sick post. Also with social momentum keep in mind that you can maintain it by talking to new girls for 5-20 minutes a day. It's a small investment and keeps girls trickling in, plus you'll still have it when you see a stunner or you want to hit it hard again.
/r/seduction29/06/14 08:26 PM
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Definitely, the model is built around how to pick up women specifically.
/r/seduction29/06/14 08:22 PM
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Approach like the dancefloor doesn't exist, then after 30 seconds or so pull her off of it.
/r/seduction29/06/14 08:20 PM
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I feel like the girls who really wanted me the most were the ones who knew I wanted them, but didn't know if they were worthy of my attention. It's a similar concept, but be careful about equating pursuing her sexually with her losing her attraction. I don't think looks had anything to do with it, it seemed much more intuitive and character based.
/r/seduction29/06/14 09:18 AM
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Guys who lay a lot of girls from cold approach are delusionally confident, screen early and hard for logistics, and push hard for the pull. The theory is that girls respond most powerfully to primal sub-communications which are associated with status(vocal tone, emotional unreactivity, boldness etc.). It's up to you to figure out how to fashion an experiment out of that. I would find the guys who are the best in the local lairs and interview them. Then watch their success in venues vs pretty boy…
/r/seduction29/06/14 05:17 AM
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Try for a hard stop, then smoothly transition into walking a little in front of her if she doesn't. Once she hooks, tell her to stop or stop yourself so she will. Game as usual. Hanging out on the street for too long in high heels sucks, so if it's early grab a number(try to pull anyway, but it's low percentage she wants to drink/dance), if it's later bounce to food or your house. Also, way to have the balls to street nightgame as a 19 yr old.
/r/seduction29/06/14 04:34 AM
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Why is that relevant to girls reacting to charisma?
/r/seduction29/06/14 03:12 AM
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Is this issue with this probably just in my head? 90% of game is emotional state(swagger). It really doesn't matter.
/r/seduction29/06/14 02:02 AM
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If a girl is super into you, it doesn't matter much what you say, just make the date. I'm cautious from being burned or things burning up too fast That's the problem itself. You have to find more girls so you don't care much. If you aren't there yet, think about what you would do.
/r/seduction29/06/14 01:16 AM
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Imagine this girl was head over heels for you. Would you even think to ask a question like that? Change your headspace.
/r/seduction29/06/14 01:05 AM
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Reply honestly? Theory: She's seeking rapport and investing, let her or bait her to do so more.
/r/seduction29/06/14 01:02 AM
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"Who are you here with?" or, "Who did you come here with?" I simply told them, "Me, myself, and I." For some reason, they loved this. Most lit up and either said, "I like your style," or, "Whoa, that's awesome." Funny thing about this: girls who like you will think you're brave and outgoing, girls who don't like you will find it fucking creepy. Girls color nearly everything you do based on how they feel about you.
/r/seduction29/06/14 01:02 AM
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Go on more dates and force yourself to escalate on more girls when you talk to them. You break through that barrier the same way you break through AA: by trying it a lot.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:44 AM
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Talk to girls consistently and try to close all of them. Make it a habit so even when you are feeling awkward you'll do it. Also, that lockup just happens when you haven't been approaching lately or warmed up, it's normal.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:36 AM
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Command her attention back, make the introductions, and start flirting with both of them.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:32 AM
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Well done man. Now do a few thousand more. Fail hard and fail fast while playing to win.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:16 AM
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You did well by telling her you wanted her.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:15 AM
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Pick her up like any other girl. If she thinks you're too good for her, self deprecate and emphasize why you think she's awesome. That's the biggest hurdle with big girls: her perceived value disparity.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:10 AM
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Don't go in with lust in your eyes as she'll pick up on it I totally disagree with this, women are turned on by being desired and that's how I've had every one of my hookups. Almost all were very hot bright girls as well.
/r/seduction29/06/14 12:08 AM
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You're best off going from girl to girl. It gets easier when you can hold long conversations with strangers, but always talking to a girl gets you in the zone.
/r/seduction28/06/14 11:59 PM
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You're welcome. But seriously, look this up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIgENFlTLJ0
/r/seduction28/06/14 04:43 AM
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This is how it's different though: Game is emotional. When you read game theory as a newbie, practically speaking it makes no sense. You may think you get it, but you don't because your emotional state heavily colors the effectiveness of the technique. Without that emotional base, the theory is actively detrimental because it puts you in your head. This is less true for the advanced. You can do really well using only one concept: social momentum(basically approach like mad). It is the most power…
/r/seduction28/06/14 04:34 AM
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How do you get to Carnegie Hall? You have to have a very large number of conversations. In much the same way pickup is learned through practice. 120+ approaches per month and 4 outings a week bare minimum if you want to learn. Ideally you talk to a girl for 5+ minutes a day. Much of social awkwardness is just lack of momentum, your mind knows how to be charismatic to some degree, it just shuts it off for evolutionary reasons. I know that sounds insane, you just have to experience it. It becomes …
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:57 AM
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Also, you're better off asking a guy who isn't a natural because some of those guys haven't had to work their way up and can snipe with AI's.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:51 AM
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Ask him how you get good. Ask him how many approaches/time is reasonable to get consistent results.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:45 AM
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This is great. You can also scare them off half jokingly or bribe them with a future favor.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:43 AM
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Okay, if you won't listen to me, go ask some guy you can find who gets laid a lot. You'll save yourself a ton of time.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:41 AM
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I disagree with thisisntjet. Approach anywhere and whomever you want. The more you approach while considering your mistakes AFTER the night ends, the faster you learn.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:35 AM
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Honestly, this is awesome. This is how you get better. The first step is killing that bad feeling of approach rejection by approaching a lot. You want to inure yourself to social pressure while still building up your self esteem by focusing on the things you did well. There's this concept in the community of unreactivity, or icyness. Being Icy means that the surrounding environment can't emotionally affect you unless you let it. Girls sploosh over this because it sub-communicates you're higher s…
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:32 AM
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This is approach anxiety, and it's normal. Weirdos don't have it, and you kill it by approaching girls, any girls, consistently. Look up social momentum and how to build it. Seriously, this is ridiculously simple to fix.
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:22 AM
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Own it man
/r/seduction28/06/14 01:11 AM
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Fuck yeah, well done.
/r/seduction28/06/14 12:51 AM
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Dude you've done ~100 approaches. That is nothing. Imagine you shot a basketball 500 times, would you think you were anything more than totally shit at shooting? 100 approaches is still at the stage where approach rejection hurts, you can kill that within 2 months. The rule of thumb is 3x as much field time as theory time.
/r/seduction28/06/14 12:45 AM
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But that's not what 99% of newbies do. They read theory for months on end without ever approaching, instead of following the rule of going out 3x more than you spend reading theory. You can figure ALL this stuff out without ever doing any research, only by practicing.
/r/seduction28/06/14 12:40 AM
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His point is that people are asking the wrong questions because they're too lazy or scared to practice. A good question is "I saw <X>, what the fuck does that mean?" "I tried <Y> and got this result, what's going on?" "I see <Z> pattern, how do I change it?" All the good questions are based in personal experience in the field or on the specifics of how best to practice. All the terrible questions are based on abstract theory despite any single newbie guide being comprehensive for the first 6 mon…
/r/seduction28/06/14 12:37 AM
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I think people here are making one simple mistake - they read too much. You can't get better at something unless you start to practice it. This is 99% of the pickup community.
/r/seduction28/06/14 12:34 AM
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Sure, one advantage is that if she's facing friends, she isolates herself. You don't have to shimmy to the side or push her shoulder, she's not looking at her friends so it takes a lot of the slut pressure off. I don't really know what else to say as far as examples go, because this is generalizable. The point is that if you see a girl, your reaction time matters WAY MORE than the direction you come in from. The more focused and confident you are the better. Girls can tell when you dilly dally, …
/r/seduction26/06/14 08:33 PM
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You won't be able to remember how to game while sober if you learn while drinking(and vice versa), you also won't be as sharp while drinking. It works for a lot of people but it isn't optimal. Weed decreases long term motivation, but some people do fine with it. It will completely shut down social skills while high though.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:53 PM
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Get more girls. Long distance is not smart money and it sounds like you or she aren't mobile enough to move.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:50 PM
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Go for a hard stop, then smoothly transition to walking slightly in front of her. Then game as usual. Get her to stop once you hook, either verbally or by stopping yourself. It's really not as hard as you think.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:07 PM
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Why do you care? There's no point wasting time lamenting what can't be changed.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:04 PM
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There's an old Russian proverb: "Man don't need be pretty" It's totally irrelevant man, get that sorted out in your brain and then repeat it to yourself all the time.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:03 PM
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I disagree. The psychological literature demonstrates that guilt erodes self control. The best way to avoid AA is to slowly build momentum. Should you be blissfully unaware of your fuckups? No, but beating yourself up is counter-productive.
/r/seduction26/06/14 06:33 PM
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Well done. Close for the sake of closing though, otherwise you'll freeze up when you do want her. If you disagree, just rethink this comment when it happens.
/r/seduction26/06/14 06:25 PM
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Ack, get more girls.
/r/seduction26/06/14 07:43 AM
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It could have something to do with the reddit demographic, but main pickup forums tend to attract keyboard jockeys and a lot of non-researched newbie questions. In more tech oriented subreddits, they would say RTFM or "you have no idea what you're talking about". I think it's harder because there are few guys who are good, and a very small percentage of them spend time on message boards. Add the fact that solid PU knowledge is counterintuitive and you have a clusterfuck. If you just want to fuck…
/r/seduction26/06/14 06:05 AM
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The common factor between all the confident guys I know is they all have a really solid skill at something. At the same time, if I asked most of these guys to cold approach a girl they'd lock up. Unless they're old, then they don't give a fuck. Cold approaching isn't normal. Few guys are above the process of building momentum.
/r/seduction25/06/14 11:02 PM
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Get an air mattress and throw it in your room. Or just fuck on the carpet, it's not a big deal.
/r/seduction25/06/14 10:42 PM
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In my experience, if a girl asks for a drink, and she's playing you, she'll always use IoI's. I've been punked nearly every time I've paid for a girl's drink, so I just don't do it anymore. Also, whenever I've paid when a girl has offered to pay for my meal/drink/ticket she ALWAYS loses attraction. If you're the dude she's chasing for sex, you're a pimp to some degree: she's paying for your time. When you pay for something before you have sex, you're investing in a way which has little to no emo…
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:46 PM
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You are seeing a movie at night, at her house, alone. She has 0 apprehension about having sex with you. Do not mention your ex.
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:30 PM
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You don't start getting into trouble until around 4" so don't sweat that at all. This might be a terrible idea but it's what I did: desensitize your dick a bit. Take a shirt and masturbate with that every day. Like not course enough to hurt, but enough that it's really intense. Also, apparently strengthening pelvic floor muscles helps you hold off until the feeling subsides if you stop stimulation(and is probably much healthier than my first suggestion).
/r/seduction25/06/14 07:03 PM
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It's really not as hard as you think. Slowly over the course of a few weeks go from 1 approach per night to 20+ Do around 100+ approaches per month for 2-3 months You get so many blowouts that you learn to find it funny or you will quit. Progressive desensitization for the win.
/r/seduction25/06/14 06:34 PM
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It's really not as hard as you think. Slowly over the course of a few weeks go from 1 approach per night to 20+ Do around 100+ approaches per month for 2-3 months You get so many blowouts that you learn to find it funny or you will quit.
/r/seduction25/06/14 06:18 PM
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Sometimes just introducing yourself to the friends when you meet her and not escalating in LoS of them will work. When it doesn't though... Choices: Prime the girl to fight for you in some way when they come to drag. Introduce yourself to the friends and retake the center of attention by overwhelming with charm Bribe them(not money, future favour, girls who do this are usually jealous or dislike men so it doesn't take much to dissuade them) Scare them off.
/r/seduction25/06/14 06:09 PM
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If you want to get laid, go for drinks or something simple. It's easier to get close, you don't have to worry about what the dinner tab sub-communicates(if you're on your game she'll insist she pay for your meal but there's no reason to gamble), and you can pull at any time. Touching a girl is probably a good idea if you want to have sex with her, even if you don't want it to be serious it's technically necessary for intercourse.
/r/seduction25/06/14 06:03 PM
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No you missed what I said. I have gone out, and talked to almost every girl in a bar many many times. When I'm hitting on or just joking with a girl, other girls are staring at me as if to say "Me next! Me next!" If you're having fun, they assume you're killing it even if you're getting blown out left and right. I've even had moments where a girl who was in earshot of a really harsh blowout was practically begging me to approach her with her eyes. It might even be that they just get turned on by…
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:31 PM
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I have a friend who's car is so beat up the inside passenger side doors don't have handles. I'm not sure if it's on purpose... I think he's laid >100 girls this year already, quite honestly it's gross.
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:09 PM
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What if your trajectory is rightward of the right woman?
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:03 PM
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Derp, I agree with your statement. In the way that Mark says it though, he recommends ONLY gaming girls who you would want as a girlfriend. Absolutely be real, but realize you can't practice on your ideal girls because they're so rare.
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:02 PM
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Don't be that guy who goes up to every girl at the bar because they will all see it and assume you have no self respect. Have you tried it? Girls get intrigued and attracted IME, just because you approach a lot doesn't mean you're easy, only friendly and curious.
/r/seduction25/06/14 04:54 PM
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Wow, that's messed up, bad dating advice targeted at insecure girls.
/r/seduction25/06/14 03:15 PM
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maximum impact Use those words in the caption. That's really the only secret.
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:15 PM
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How many girls do you interact with in a night? How much of the night are you talking to a girl? Did you enjoy interacting with women that you 'had success' with?
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:10 PM
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Then don't do it I guess, some people are asexual. Or pick a girl in the next week and just say "I'm going to try to have sex with her" and make a serious effort for the sake of experience.
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:07 PM
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She's 16-19, the girl is super horny and tipsy. You really don't have to do much, just get her alone and do what feels right(strong eye contact makes it feel natural to escalate, even if you're talking about a math test). Or, if you're nervous, for the love of god kiss her before either of you start to get tired and it'll be easy from there.
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:36 AM
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Totally, but be sure to start mingling with girls within the first hour into the party. When things start to heat up and the energy is high you want to be there before people start pairing off.
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:28 AM
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Pickup is learned from experience, so don't get too complex. Your best bet: Approach as many girls as reasonable outside your highschool in the weeks before the party.(not necessary) At the party: Drink alcohol but only enough to get tipsy, if you don't know how to hold your alcohol yet, allow 20 minutes after a drink to feel its effects before taking another and as soon as you're feeling good... Stop until you come down enough to take the next drink. It's like playing the Price is Right, if you…
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:20 AM
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Act weird around thousands of hot chicks. That's how I did it anyway.
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:13 AM
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Do you want to have sex? That's normally the motivation.
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:11 AM
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Yup yup, approaching is really all you need. Hahah no I was saying I met some great girl, and her ex was with her, he got really butthurt that she wanted to go home with me so was threatening to fight me if she came with me or I got her number. You can lay him out(the place was swarming with cops) or you can start video taping.
/r/seduction25/06/14 09:03 AM
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Ding. The main problem I do have with Mark's model is: you can't get much practice in. As a result you're going to miss wonderful women because of silly errors. I know because I've done it: not knowing how to deal with her butthurt ex threatening to fight you if you pull her or get her number(start recording video), not calming her when she was getting too turned on(girls freak, it's weird), jealous/unobservant friends dragging her off against her will, not having the balls to close etc. He's pr…
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:41 AM
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I posted this elsewhere in this thread: That's beautiful in theory. In practice however, you fuckup a lot with high quality girls. Stupid little things will halt the gears. Out of a few thousand approaches, I've met around 10 great girls, and I or they missed the opportunity at least 7 times. You need to practice on lots of girls to dial the process. You have to approach tons of girls to find the gems, usually it takes a few hundred approaches to find that next awesome girl. Also, it's not feasi…
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:13 AM
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Go look at the modern infield footage. They still use all this stuff. Intentional spikes still work in 'natural' game. they're used to accelerate attraction. All the things I listed are formulas, not static lines, you can come up with them on the fly. Owen mentions push-pull all the time. Yeah it's totally possible to do it with just proximity and intent and flowing, and I've had some awesome pulls this way, but it's way slower sometimes. Hypotheticals are still very useful for comfort.
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:04 AM
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Be this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWI_J3-2Nzg
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:31 AM
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That's beautiful in theory. In practice however, you fuckup a lot with high quality girls. Stupid little things will halt the gears. Out of a few thousand approaches, I've met around 10 great girls, and I or they missed the opportunity at least 7 times. You need to practice on lots of girls to dial the process. You have to approach tons of girls to find the gems, usually it takes a few hundred approaches to find that next awesome girl. Also, it's not feasible to have a consistent sex life under …
/r/seduction25/06/14 05:20 AM
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I got through a third of it, stopped when he used a false dichotomy between False/True confidence and was a bit fed up with his poor writing. He lacks concision. I'll go back to it at some point, but I have better resources to exhaust first.
/r/seduction25/06/14 04:24 AM
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How does one go after the right woman?
/r/seduction25/06/14 04:13 AM
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What the fuck?
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:06 AM
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You can check this by entering one of the numbers wrong and asking her if it's correct. If she confirms, spend some more time with her and ask for it again later.
/r/seduction24/06/14 11:55 PM
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I'm reading Tyler Durden's old posts. His thoughts are that shit tests happen because a girl is trying get you to react and break her state. If her buying temp starts rising quickly she'll test you because she knows otherwise she'll fuck you. So use BT spikes like: strong eye contact, vocal tone, mini cold reads, talking sexually in hypotheticals, role-plays, push-pull, physical escalation. The reason why I'm putting so much attention on this is because hitting buying temperature consistently is…
/r/seduction24/06/14 11:25 PM
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As I'm reading this stuff, it's becoming super clear why modern pickup companies make no effort to reference the source material: it's clear, concise, comprehensive, and totally free.
/r/seduction24/06/14 08:16 AM
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HOLY SHIT, FUCKING JACKPOT!!! The wayback machine has everything from the old forums, much of the old theory is still current and there's so much more useful stuff which isn't taught today. http://web.archive.org/web/20131019190413/http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/ http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/
/r/seduction24/06/14 07:57 AM
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Good luck man. You learn pickup by doing thousands of approaches, so keep in mind that this is the first of many. Fail hard and fail fast while playing to win.
/r/seduction24/06/14 04:44 AM
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Congratulations on the sex!
/r/seduction24/06/14 04:39 AM
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Try to kiss the girl and more on your next hangout. This will make you super nervous, try to suck it up. In the long term, go through this process with thousands of girls and it won't make you nervous. if there is a lull in conversation, what to you normally say to ease back into a nice talk? Say anything. Talk to cute girls for at least 5 minutes every day and it gets easier because you stop filtering yourself. Have more conversations period.
/r/seduction24/06/14 04:37 AM
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Look up social momentum and the intricacies of how to build it. Start off very slow, and then ramp up gradually.
/r/seduction24/06/14 04:19 AM
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<3 sugar and spice. Sometimes that sugar is heavenly, and sometimes that spice is deadly.
/r/seduction24/06/14 01:56 AM
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Only about waffles, because waffles are tasty.
/r/seduction23/06/14 11:00 PM
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Yeah, hold onto it as long as she does too. The more physical you are the better.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:59 PM
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So if the girl is chasing that hard you really don't have to do anything special to have sex. After sex make it super clean that you're not looking for a relationship. If she stays, be careful with her emotions. If she starts to get in too deep you might want to break it off so you don't break her.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:58 PM
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Cool, I'm dialing this up steadily.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:56 PM
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Yeah having one piece is golden for this, I've gotta break out my crazy glasses again.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:49 PM
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Introduce yourself to everyone and either have a group conversation or single a girl out and talk to her. If you want to get with one of the girls, single her out and bring her a little ways away from the group so you guys have privacy, the rest of the girls will be occupied amongst themselves. This really applies to all genders.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:37 PM
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I'm not saying lie to her, you can make it known you're going to do it and in part it's meant to maintain the health of your relationship.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:35 PM
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Voice lessons and momentum. Social momentum opens your voice up so that it resonates better.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:27 PM
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I was saying that you could have sex with a few other women during the relationship, which might make you less attached so if she did leave it wouldn't destroy you. If celibacy works, please let me know, that'd be really powerful knowledge.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:26 PM
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Why did you walk out? Also, if celibacy does work, you know how to get laid easily now so you could easily desensitize yourself mid-relationship just enough if you started getting in over your head.
/r/seduction23/06/14 10:14 PM
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I see what you're saying about cheating girls. They follow their emotions, they don't even tell you because it seems secondary to how they feel about you. If they swing from branch to branch, how else are they going to find the ultimate man? Let me first say that I'm trying to replicate your position in myself. I've had my soul crushed twice, and each time I lost over a year of my life. I'd much rather not feel love and enjoy life and give much more to the world with my work, than have it kill m…
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:51 PM
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The idea that doesn't get spread around enough in this community is to work on your AA, while not punishing yourself for messing up. Making yourself feel worse about it doesn't help, and the super dangerous habit it can create is being embarrassed when an approach goes badly. That habit is so toxic because momentum is the most powerful fundamental, and if you beat on yourself for mistakes you're giving up that edge. Focus on the fact that you went out! You went out to a place which scared you ne…
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:19 PM
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t matters because it all goes back to this culture of dishonesty. You are currently using a handle. The MASF board originated from online culture, in which common knowledge dictates the advantage of anonymity when making permanent records online. Privacy does not preclude dishonesty.
/r/seduction23/06/14 08:59 PM
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I've had sex with a few 9's and a 10. Those definitely wouldn't have happened without pickup because I was so socially awkward before. I'm steadily improving. Yeah, seduction is real, it's just insanely hard to get good. You can probably expect about a lay a month when you first get started, and things start getting crazy at about 20 lays. All of the crazy results are totally achieveable, what isn't commonly said though is that you have to do thousands of approaches to get there.
/r/seduction23/06/14 05:53 PM
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Bullshit. My best sets I've ever had are the ones where I thought the girl was absolutely gorgeous and I told her so. All those girls blew open. Making it known you want to fuck her brains out while still thinking she just hit the jackpot starts floods. She wants to fuck a hot guy, so telling her gets her excited. The fact that you hit so hard communicates that you don't get rejected, or that if you do you don't give a fuck because you have so many options. She also knows she has to be on her be…
/r/seduction23/06/14 05:05 PM
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Erm, so your definitions run contrary to basic pickup theory. Just know that you're using completely different definitions for those words. Traditional definitions are roughly: Game(macking, pimping, rapping, swagger) A series of strategies to attract a girl. Shit Test An act by a girl with the purpose of testing how emotionally reactive to her you are. Essentially a way to test if you view her as a threat or someone with more value than you. Calibration Knowing what is and is not socially accep…
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:24 AM
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IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN LEARN TO TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING How do you you get to Carnegie Hall? Go talk to a lot of people. Fizzling can happen if you're in your head, she's in her head, or you're trying to hard or not confident and she thinks you suck. I just know I'll start talking to them, and every sentence will end in an awkward silence, If a girl likes you AND feels like she has a chance with you, she'll talk your ear off most of the time. Some girls are shy, in which case yo…
/r/seduction23/06/14 09:02 AM
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I couldn't figure out a way to interrupt or even speak up beyond "Thank you, have a nice day." "You too." It comes down to feeling like what you're going to say is more important than what they're saying. If someone is making bullshit smalltalk, and you know something amazing you're going to interrupt because now everyone's time is being used more effectively.
/r/seduction23/06/14 04:08 AM
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It's simple: don't give him your attention. Doing so is easier said than done though, it's a muscle and the more confident you feel the easier it is. If you ever experience a dude like this when you're feeling like a boss, it's mind-blowing because while he'll be talking just as loud, subjectively it sounds like he's whispering.
/r/seduction23/06/14 04:04 AM
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how do I teach myself to act on impulse again? It's all about momentum. The more girls you approach, the easier it is to act on impulse. It doesn't matter if the girl is a warpig or a goddess, it'll still wear down that impulse control. The more often you approach the more momentum you maintain. Taking a break for a few days or a week can lose you significant momentum. Talking to new girls for about 20 minutes a day can maintain it though.
/r/seduction23/06/14 03:58 AM
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Honestly? You don't have to, it's unnecessary. You can ignore the music and talk to a girl, then pull her to a quieter spot. If you want to learn how to have fun dancing though, make movements to the music which feel good. It'll feel a bit weird at first, let yourself warm up a bit. Instead of being self conscious about how you look, exaggerate stupid movements to make yourself laugh. There's no right way to dance; the more pronounced your movements and the more fun you have, the sexier it looks…
/r/seduction23/06/14 03:40 AM
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Nice! Funny thing about state: she's a fickle bitch at first. A game plan is effective, but the most important part of said game plan is the one which defines how to get into state.
/r/seduction23/06/14 03:23 AM
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Online is a wash if you want hot girls as an average looking dude. I can't even tell you how frustrating it is to look at some gorgeous girl's profile who seems just my type personality-wise, and while I'm 90% sure she'd fall in love with me immediately in person, it's online so she won't even glance at my profile.
/r/seduction23/06/14 03:18 AM
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There's an old Russian proverb: "Man do not need be pretty"
/r/seduction23/06/14 02:59 AM
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i even watched some vid on giving oral. fuck that vid. whatever you do, do not lick the alphabet. Awesome. This was a great post.
/r/seduction23/06/14 02:51 AM
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"Don't chase a woman, stalk her" --Robert "Iceberg Slim" Beck
/r/seduction23/06/14 02:40 AM
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Why are all these gorgeous girls agreeing to go out on a date with him? Hint: He's a freelance writer, he isn't rich so it's not for nice dinners and gifts. It's probably because he hangs with models. Looks don't matter very much for guys. I know this because I'm 10lbs more overweight than him and I've had a few 9s and a 10. If any dude who thinks they do went out and hit state for one night he'd figure it out.
/r/seduction23/06/14 02:37 AM
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Dude, you basically have to move your toe over the finish line. You're that close. These girls are probably not going on a second date with you because you aren't confident, or they want to get laid and you didn't try. A girl doesn't go on a date unless she wants you, or she thinks you're going to buy her stuff. If you have model friends, go to any venue and ask them to help you get laid. Having a gorgeous girl vouching(or pretending to be competing) for you will cause stupid amounts of attracti…
/r/seduction23/06/14 02:09 AM
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It doesn't matter if you're being friendzoned: you're going out with a bunch of girls, you have a HUGE advantage. You can: Flirt with all the girls and they'll compete. You can then hook up with whichever girls in the group you choose(one at a time, at least at first). If none of them want you but they think you're cool employ them to help you get laid. AND you make friends. Either way you can randomly introduce one of those girls to a random girl in the venue for easy attraction. If they all ha…
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:57 AM
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So do 9's and 10's who think you're extraordinary. Being sheepishly thanked by a 9 for fucking her, or 'I will do anything for you' as an average looking guy is a trip.
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:39 AM
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I'm going with you here. I doubt the story happened. That said, day game is easier to pull off. At a high skill level it's all similar though. Also, once you don't suck going to places where you'll meet your type of girl is super effective. Number of approaches and ability to learn from them are the highest leverage points for a guy. There's a common pattern where guys who are trying to have a lot of sex see an inflection point in lay rate at about 20 girls. The rate increases exponentially from…
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:28 AM
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I bet the posts are in an internet archive, we should dig it up and permalink it.
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:18 AM
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Call/text her and make plans like you would with a buddy. You don't need to get fancy. Make plans which make it easy to get her alone where you can have sex. Then go to said place and try to have sex with her. You don't have to try so hard, she's chasing you.
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:06 AM
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There is no way you didn't see she was trying to fuck you. You're probably a) scared of fucking it up and creating a super embarrassing situation or b) falling victim to a subconscious drive to self sabotage the lay because far back in time if you got laid as a low status male you get your head kicked in. You fix a) by realizing even if it goes badly you learn and get better, and it's a funny story. You fix b) by pushing through that feeling and trying to close more girls more often. says [she] …
/r/seduction23/06/14 01:01 AM
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I would have just ignored the comments because they're being socially immature if they weren't joking, or laughed it off. You can really do whatever you want, the key is not taking them seriously. To me they'd sound like little kids playing silly games, even if they're actually decades my senior. There are very few hard and fast social rules, almost all of them are simply guidelines, how they get interpreted by the group depends on who is most sure of themselves.
/r/seduction22/06/14 04:24 AM
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“Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.” --William Gibson
/r/seduction22/06/14 04:16 AM
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Don't engage in them, push for the meetup that's the point of texting her.
/r/seduction22/06/14 04:11 AM
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Never change paco, never change.
/r/seduction22/06/14 04:10 AM
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Only reptilians will make this movement, run when you see it; or, you know, wiggle your tongue in her mouth like a lizard.
/r/seduction22/06/14 04:08 AM
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Do you want approach laziness? Because this is how you get approach laziness. The fact that you tried to chat up the cashier is awesome! Seriously, the balls it takes to do that are rare. When you allow yourself to be embarrassed for an approach, you allow yourself to rationalize reasons for not approaching, and you give credence to that fear in your chest which tells you not to approach. You are able to keep your verbal reasoning center from reinforcing that fear, utilize that ability. Be a hon…
/r/seduction22/06/14 03:42 AM
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Nothing we can tell you will be better than what you want to say. Keep in mind the friendship will be a bit strained if it goes sideways. Also if it goes poorly try not to sweat it, mathematically speaking there are an absurd number of girls who are just as good for you. (check xkcd for the logic)
/r/seduction19/06/14 11:54 PM
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How were you touching? I know a friend of mine went to Japan and had a rampage because girls like Americans so much. Not a lot of information, what I can tell you is to fuck up more to figure it out.
/r/seduction19/06/14 11:45 PM
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Try loudly saying hey authoritatively or saying something provoking or highly emotionally charged. Push pull statements: I hate x but I love y about you. Use really strong eye contact.
/r/seduction19/06/14 11:02 PM
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Go check out RSDTyler and RSDJeffy, apparently those guys pull teenagers regularly in their mid and late 30's. You can overpower the girl's idea of social acceptability pretty easily since you have so much more life experience and authority. Embrace your inner creepy old guy, Bukowski would.
/r/seduction19/06/14 10:47 PM
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I've blown and flipped girls because I lost confidence or gained confidence and persisted. I think they tend to follow what they're currently feeling.
/r/seduction19/06/14 10:36 PM
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Plow when you get shut down, assume she likes you but is testing. I personally don't like rolling up on girls and grinding, it's less reliable than ignoring the music and going in high intensity because you're banking on her buying temp already being high. Chat for a minute, then quickly pull her to someplace quieter. You can totally talk in club parties, learn to project and get in close, it doesn't matter what she says before you can get enough compliance to move her to a quiet spot anyway. Tr…
/r/seduction19/06/14 10:31 PM
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I get what he's trying to say, but his focus is in the wrong place, a girl can almost always be flipped.
/r/seduction19/06/14 10:21 PM
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Okay so this is interesting to me, because as I got into this I felt the same way. It's possible that pickup is actually totally fucked up and I've rationalized it to being positive because it's so powerful. There are some sketchy tactics, like stacking the stripping of validation, that seems fucked to me. Though I also haven't tried it so there might be a way to make it a harmless fantasy. Which ones seem sketchy to you? Almost all of the tactics behind pickup are what a confident guy would nat…
/r/seduction19/06/14 10:02 PM
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As far as I can tell, every cool guy over the age of 21 has at least some pickup knowledge. You just don't talk about it because it gets weird and it's better to joke around
/r/seduction19/06/14 09:06 PM
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Get out of that bucket, no need to chill around crabs. Learn to dish it back out, if that doesn't shut them up and they still try to pull you down don't hang out with them.
/r/seduction19/06/14 09:05 PM
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Girls don't actually give a shit if they like you. It's normal for guys to like sex and seek it out.
/r/seduction19/06/14 09:02 PM
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If you need to game your girlfriend you found the wrong girl.
/r/seduction19/06/14 01:14 AM
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Repeat to yourself over and over again that you deserve those girls. Even if you don't believe it at first, our brains have a weakness in that something which is repeated enough seems true after enough time. Also approaching a bunch of ugly girls in a night will make it easier to start approaching the hot ones.
/r/seduction18/06/14 09:41 PM
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I'm actually asking, because if you've pulled a lot of girls and have never had a drag-off I want to know what you're doing.
/r/seduction18/06/14 09:09 PM
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It's really quite simple: Fuck her well. Don't push harder than she does, but don't get too distant either. Enjoy your time together.
/r/seduction18/06/14 09:01 PM
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Dude, they're your friends, you don't have to attract them. Invite them to hang out and just talk, or play games, or hike, or play pool. The activity is secondary to spending time with people you enjoy. There are also much better subreddits for making friends than this.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:45 AM
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Approach thousands, and ask this guy about how much height matters: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/27z65v/puerto_rican_5_4_22_y_o_male_whose_been_in_this/ Also, find some good newbie material and carve it into your cortex. Avoid information overload, practice is everything. I like Julien's PIMP.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:37 AM
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Flirt with both of them but make it obvious which one you want by flirting with her more intensely. Then game as per usual. If you're lucky you get the threeway.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:27 AM
1

So. Fucking. Key.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:25 AM
1

Tell her why she's special, why you like her over other girls. Girls need to view you as qualified(value) but not overqualified(comfort). You can also shortcut this by moving her through different environments and moving through many topics and emotions so you feel like you've known each other for awhile.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:15 AM
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Depends on your goals. If you want to fuck a handful of girls and get an average looking wife who will stick around, that's great advice. If you want to have massive choice, that's terrible advice because it takes too long to get enough practice.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:12 AM
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I think you need to qualify her more. She's probably resisting because she thinks you don't like her.
/r/seduction18/06/14 04:09 AM
1

Awesome, thanks for the answers. If you need wings on the west coast/Las Vegas of the US, hit me up and I'll get you in touch with some guys who are crushing it. The reason why I'm asking all this is because I'm in intermediate purg at the moment. When you say IoI's do you mean her contributing, or are bambi eyes not even consistent with hooking? And if bambi eyes aren't consistent, does that mean the girl isn't into you but she will fuck when you isolate her, or some girls just don't have any t…
/r/seduction18/06/14 01:14 AM
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No, sex is a driver too. Sex is extremely pleasurable to a girl. It just plays second fiddle to social status.
/r/seduction18/06/14 12:49 AM
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Girls don't have to, a truckload of dicks pound on their door every day. A person only needs around 1-8 people to satisfy just about any libido.
/r/seduction18/06/14 12:47 AM
1

Their marketing is a mixture of vapid and highly valuable. Most of their material is spot on. Some of their material is ridiculously influential. Manipulative if used in the wrong context, exciting in the right. Many of their stories are highly manipulative though. I think they're better than most companies, and if used right an absolutely wonderful deal.
/r/seduction17/06/14 11:21 PM
1

Any ideas on why she did that?
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:57 PM
1

Go check out a great fundamentals guide. Julien's PIMP is solid. You can torrent it if you really want to(please pay for it if you like it though). Three things to get you started: Downward sloping pitch commanding vocal tonality. High intensity stare into her eyes(don't be afraid to go creepy with this, you'll find the right balance). ABC.
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:46 PM
3

Funny enough, making yourself believe you deserve coitus, renders you more likely to get it.
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:44 PM
1

you know i just friend-zoned you right? She was fucking with you and you flinched. That's the only way to fail a shit test: to emotionally react.
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:39 PM
1

RSDMax had a cool video about this the other day. Evolutionary psych is shaky but the idea is that if you fuck cute girls as a beta, alphas will kick your ass, so you sabotage yourself. It could also be habit. I doubt it's actually not seeing the signals, because usually a few minutes or a day later you'll go "Oh fuck, she just came onto me" but you still won't capitalize. I lost two gimme threesomes like this, I'm still kicking myself for those. Try closing every girl you talk to. Approach a lo…
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:29 PM
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Nope, girls generally enjoy sex far more than guys, there are just more consequences for girls. I also think they desire it as much if not more, but only with certain guys, much like men with certain girls.
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:13 PM
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To have a kid with a high status guy, but one who will stay with her through pregnancy and the raising of the child. Or, for pure pleasure, as long as there aren't negative social consequences. These goals manifest as emotions, not conscious thoughts.
/r/seduction17/06/14 10:09 PM
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Yeah, exactly. A girl will chase sex if she will be validated by it, if she feels like she won an amazing guy over. If a guy can call up other girls and have sex, but he chose her because she's 'special', she won. A girl will also just have sex if there's no social backlash and she's horny. That's why if you can just get a girl into isolation, because it feels so good she'll often just go 'fuck it' even if she doesn't like you.
/r/seduction17/06/14 08:53 PM
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3 I haven't done this a whole lot, so YMMV. The most advanced dudes I know beast on all the girls and treat them all the same. If you get used to being blaze but going full bore with fatties, you'll naturally act that way with all the girls. Plus you get WAY more practice in. It's also the only way to really practice pulling. 1 Yeah going on a run makes you worse short term because you expect it and start playing loose. But then they kept on walking. Apparently this is too much value and not eno…
/r/seduction17/06/14 08:33 PM
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I could be wrong but: Both guys and girls want validation derived from status. Girls derive validation from getting high quality attention, so a high value guy giving her his attention while valuing her over other girls he could be with. A high status guy who will fuck her and leave is a liability, a high status guy who wants to stay because she's special is a great benefit. Guys derive validation from intercourse, because it means the girl chose him above all other males. He gets to spread his …
/r/seduction17/06/14 08:03 PM
1

Youth is normally a bonus for business because of the halo effect. I was pointing out how you could use it as a confidence boost. Your comeback to a shit test doesn't matter. All you have to do is not negatively emotionally react, you can agree, disagree, challenge her back, exaggerate it; the contextual answer is stylistic. Girls only shit test guys they're interested in, if you don't react it turns them on. If you open, and they often immediately shit test your age, you have a massive advantag…
/r/seduction17/06/14 03:48 AM
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Interestingly, you have a solid point even if I believe you misdirected your argument. I wrote a thread a little while ago about how most guys I know who have a lot of pickup experience, tend to develop sociopathic qualities over time(lack of empathy, highly manipulative, sadistic) in order to warn people to find morals and stick to them as they improve. The mods took it down because they thought it was off-topic.
/r/seduction17/06/14 02:21 AM
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Nonono hook, not hookup The hook is when a girl likes you enough to sleep with you or at least chase you. Having a girl instantly hook is rare, most girls need time to see whether they like you that much. They can be into you, but not necessarily need to fuck you right off the bat. This can take 3 minutes, 10 minutes, or even hours. The girl doesn't have to be spineless to not have the immediate impulse to stand up to her friends. First off, when you're in a highly stimulated state, it's easy to…
/r/seduction17/06/14 02:06 AM
1

Cool, what are some tells? Also, when you're telling girls these long stories do the often not even respond because you're investing so heavily?
/r/seduction17/06/14 12:31 AM
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Whoa this is cool. Can you sing? Have you tried talking to yourself and modulating the pitch?
/r/seduction17/06/14 12:19 AM
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He asked a question, it was a 'why/how' question not a moral one, and I gave him the answer. Knowledge is amoral, it's up to him what he does with it. Also, like almost any other neurobiological phenomenon, it lies on a continuum, he can choose to halt the process at any point on that continuum. Although, there's probably a nasty addictive feedback loop involved.
/r/seduction17/06/14 12:04 AM
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Dudes with this much experience are super rare. In most major cities around the main pickup crews there might be around 6. Naturals and guys who do it unaffiliated to the groups might be a different story but I have no way to know. Also, if he's real, he's not an instructor; so he isn't selling anything(he might want to brag a little). He probably just wants to help newbies out because he knows how fucking hard it was for him when he started or even to continue when it normally looks like you're…
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:51 PM
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Yo don't delete it, and don't be dissuaded by the lukewarm reception, this subreddit isn't too kind to those who actually go out and try to get laid. It's more for guys who don't want it very badly or aren't prepared to put in the work, I guess it's kind of like most of the pickup community. They like to think it's impossible for them to do well because it gives them the excuse, but they still like the fantasy.
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:36 PM
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I keep hearing this and gaming every girl the same. Thanks for more assurance, I gotta experiment with this.
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:33 PM
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Haha sorry for the wall of questions, here it goes: What percentage of girls would you say really hook? Like bambi eyes, solid compliance to moving around, chasing. This is where I'm fucking up right now, so if you have any tips here it'd help a ton. How many of the girls you pull are really cute(8+). If it's not high, is it just because you go for the easy pull sometimes or are you striking out and taking subpar girls at the end of the night?(no judgement, practice is good, just wondering) Do y…
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:22 PM
1

Yeah yeah, there are like 10 regulars per big city. The number of guys who actually rage at this stuff is miniscule.
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:12 PM
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I hate that you're getting down-votes, these are good questions from someone who is actually going out and trying this stuff.
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:00 PM
2

Have you really never had an unwarranted drag-off or white knight? How many times have you hit on a girl?
/r/seduction16/06/14 10:59 PM
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And anyway, she wasn't into you, if her friends bailed her out. Instahooks are rare man, for most girls you just need to buy yourself more time for her to see you're awesome, or her buying temp to rise. Also many girls just can't stand up to their friends without encouragement.
/r/seduction16/06/14 10:53 PM
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1 No idea, I've never had this happen to me. Maybe it was a low-key bar and you're making a scene? Maybe a white knight. He might be trying to get laid by 'saving her'. 2 Ignore him, whoever reacts more loses attention. Also, drag off. 3 This happens ALL THE TIME. It's so frustrating too because if you had had 2 more minutes you would have had the hook or if only the girl could stand up for herself. 'Who are you here with?' early on. Use peripheral vision. For dudes, they have to be cool with yo…
/r/seduction16/06/14 10:37 PM
1

If you really want to stop feeling this, inure yourself to it by continuing to expose yourself. Guys I know who have sex with a lot of girls, don't feel love anymore, or at least rarely. Whether or not that's a good thing, that's for you to decide. Basically your brain is insanely good at producing the pair bonding emotions, you can stop it by causing exposure induced tolerance.
/r/seduction16/06/14 10:21 PM
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It sounds really simple: you don't like sex very much, at least not with submissive girls.
/r/seduction16/06/14 10:14 PM
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The more noncommittal the better. 'got time to chat?' 'call?'. If she's resistant, emotional spike/fluff and try again. Check out RSDJulien and Todd's text and phone game on youtube.
/r/seduction16/06/14 09:54 PM
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Her emotions might have changed. Be minimalist and try again. If she doesn't respond to minimalism, use emotional spikes and a little fluff, if she's still unresponsive fuck with her a little to get her on the phone so it's easier to shift her emotions. Whatever you do, don't act butthurt, neediness will kill it.
/r/seduction16/06/14 08:20 PM
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5-8 is good, should be after work when she's chilling. There are two schools of thought on calling. It shows confidence, and it allows you to use your tone and speed of conversation to change her emotions which makes it super easy for remote game. It's a huge investment compared to texting. So if she doesn't answer you're far more in the hole. You can be blaze with texting, then get more complicated only if you have to. It also saves time. I lean towards #2.
/r/seduction16/06/14 08:16 PM
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Dude I would kill for a 1/11 rate with cute girls.
/r/seduction16/06/14 08:08 PM
1

Do you realize how awesome that is? Girls will instantly shit test you on it and you'll look 20 when you're 40.
/r/seduction16/06/14 08:04 PM
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There is no such thing as a non-single girl. Hot girls have love interests virtually always.
/r/seduction16/06/14 04:26 AM
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Go out at night with the goal of approaching one girl. All you have to do is say "hi" and make eye contact. You can do whatever you want at that point, run away if you want. Stay out for four hours if you have to, one approach is a success. Do it again the next night. And again. Try pushing it for longer, try doing more approaches. Don't be hard on yourself. Soon you'll find it's easy, but only if you do it consistently. If you take a break for a few days, you'll notice it gets harder. So go out…
/r/seduction16/06/14 12:37 AM
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Why do you think you are a weird looking dude? I'm not traditionally attractive. Acne scars and overweight mostly. I am tall, but I've been dressed terribly, weird unkept long hair, shitty looking beard, and I've still seen an absolutely mind-blowing difference in reactions from girls between feeling self conscious vs being fully in the zone. The difference is so profound that the idea that looks matter is just shattered immediately. Go seek out seeing this for yourself. I've since cleaned mysel…
/r/seduction15/06/14 11:36 PM
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Approaching is hard. There are ways to make it easier, and eventually ridiculously fun. Look up how to build momentum. It's normal for it to be really hard if you aren't used to it but if you approach once the first night, then again the next, and again you'll soon find it's extremely easy. Even someone who's really advanced, if they stop approaching for a few weeks or a month, they'll have about as much difficulty as you.
/r/seduction15/06/14 09:40 PM
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, where did you find it? I recently picked up Julien's PIMP and it cleared up so much for me because it was so structured and complete, it's easy to see exactly what I need to work on next and what to take from my interactions because I know what the high leverage points are.
/r/seduction15/06/14 09:35 PM
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Maybe, I bet he's just more confident now though.
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:44 PM
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I was telling all the tinder girls that I did not want them at my gig. Wut? That's how you engage easy mode man. I WISH I had that opportunity. She's going to be looking up at you and feeling your music for a couple hours. She refused and so I said goodbye. 20 mins later I get a text saying that she was cold and bored and that she wished she had come with me. Baby step, also why didn't you take her home after that text? finding the most respectful way to let them know that I am dating multiple w…
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:40 PM
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"you never know" She liked you. Have deeper conversations with introverted girls. They're also usually freaks, so it'll be worth the effort. Intelligent and crazy girls are in part my favorite for this reason, I also get along with them. Introverted people also like to let the lulls happen, enjoy the place you're in and your thoughts before you launch into your next interesting topic. Smalltalk is hard and bullshit, though it's nice to have the ability.
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:17 PM
1

Kinda, there's an "I'm a boss" component which is orthogonal to having fun.
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:12 PM
1

While the amount of knowledge availiable is amazing, knowing what the fundamentals are and having a condensed resource where you can focus on your high leverage points is also very useful.
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:10 PM
1

Embrace your inner creepy old guy, Bukowski would. Excuses: Restaurants Library Crashing courses Study groups
/r/seduction15/06/14 08:01 PM
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There's a difference between not doing much to enrich the relationship, and not being needy.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:59 PM
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Any other answer is a waste of HD space.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:58 PM
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I really hope this isn't tongue in cheek, because that's how to feel good about being a gangster. Way to not fuck around about fucking around.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:43 PM
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That's not my point, my point is it's not anywhere near as time efficient as in person game.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:38 PM
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Also, experiencing tons of rejection makes you unreactive, it's something to seek out while playing to win.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:37 PM
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She is a hired gun, and has employees, bosses, or customers around (cant get her #) "Tell me your number, I'll remember it" This works for all low key # closes.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:35 PM
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Yup yup, rejection is so important for getting better at game. It makes you icy over time, which is the best way to attract hot girls.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:33 PM
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Who gives a fuck if it's spoiled, you play the high percentage move which is taking the initiative. Also, looking like you're not used to rejection as a male is hot to a girl. The most effective way to attracting a hot girl is unreactivity. It'll make average girls feel unworthy, but hot girls will want to chase you. You get icy by experiencing TONS of rejection, getting hit hard over and over until nothing effects you emotionally unless you choose to let it.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:24 PM
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you're in the position to chase her and make the first few moves. "Don't chase a woman, stalk her" --Robert 'Iceberg Slim' Beck Don't misinterpret this as chilling in her bushes, not literally anyway. Think Lion-Gazelle. You can have the initiative and still have her chasing hard. I would say it ALWAYS looks weak.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:15 PM
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Yeah, it's a low percentage move. You ALWAYS want the responsibility. This is super weak. If you want to attract girls 6 and below, totally do this. Rejection is a HUGE blessing. Rejection makes you unreactive over time, which is the best way to attract a hot girl. You don't want to avoid hard rejection, you want to seek it out while playing to win. This is one of the main reasons why getting thousands of approaches in is so effective. Giving girls responsibility is a recipe for failure. She doe…
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:12 PM
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Lower back for small girls, below the butt for big girls. Cradle her Over the shoulder As for figuratively picking her up, the cute one rides shotgun. Run game as per usual.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:10 PM
3

How hot are the girls? I'm focused on 9+ girls, and in person most are very easy for me to attract, online I get about a 1/100 positive response rate. After a few hundred messages I've had one meet me out.
/r/seduction15/06/14 06:33 PM
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You could totally be right. I'll experiment with it more when I get some great photos. I think having girls in the picture with you would help more than anything. Also a couple of sweet shots of you doing stuff. The thing is, my friend's pics were super tame and he was getting great responses from very hot girls at a decent rate. Whereas the same type of girl would respond well to me maybe 1/200 times. Those are the girls I'm after, and those are the girls who I have no issues attracting in pers…
/r/seduction15/06/14 06:27 PM
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Article is mostly bullshit There is no such thing as a non-single girl.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:14 AM
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It went weird? Yeah that sounds about right. Well done on approaching!
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:12 AM
3

"J-i-l-l, did you fail first grade?"
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:09 AM
19

I want this to be true so badly.
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:08 AM
1

Translation: "I can haz bone?"
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:59 AM
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Sounds like a great first solo night to me, you learned a bunch. 4 Nice, pull that girl to a quieter area within the first minute, becoming human on the dancefloor is hard. She won't fight for you when she doesn't know who you are, and it's hard to win the friends over there. 5 You can roll up and talk to the girl like it's not a dancefloor. Just match her intensity(if she's flailing wildly to the music, you have to go in like Thor). Go straight in to the girl, everything else is irrelevant unle…
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:52 AM
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Warmup! Momentum is the biggest leverage point for a new guy. Go in, hit up the first girl you see. "Hi" oh, I'm blanking "have a good night" <5 seconds later "Hi, how are you?" oh, I'm blanking "have a good night" a few approaches later... "Hi" you now have the ability to recite your own Beowulf-sized tale if you so choose, and you will start feeling like a boss Work on finding awkwardness and rejection funny, that way you'll always feel better as the night goes forward. State is fickle when yo…
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:29 AM
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Disagree, if you do your warmup correctly you can easily go in feeling like shit and come out feeling like Thor.
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:21 AM
1

Probably an average of three nights a week. Some beast every night, some chill out for awhile, rest on their rotation while going out once/week and then go on a bonanza here and there. They all approach at least 5 girls a night normally. It should be a good bit higher for a newbie. If you're new it's a good idea to go out as much as possible and approach as much as possible to get the basics down.
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:11 AM
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This sounds way too familiar. "Hi... How are you?... Have a good night." has changed my life. The explosions are still there, just whitewashed by a thin veneer of social grace.
/r/seduction15/06/14 03:05 AM
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This is my first approach after a yearish break, 200 lifetime approaches at that point(basically nothing). It's when I really identify with starting game because I started going out 3+ nights a week and breaking 100 approaches a month regularly. I walk into the bar. I walk around for about two hours hoping that I get the balls to approach. I find myself near the bar and there's a darkish skinned girl, late twenties, maybe a 6 standing next to me. Me: nervous as all fuck "Hi" Her: smiles "Hi ther…
/r/seduction15/06/14 02:53 AM
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Congratz, haha I wish I were easy enough on the eyes for online game. I looked at my matches vs. a friend of mine who's a borderline model. It was hilarious. Looks hardly matter in person, but online? Yeah it's a wash for weird looking dudes.
/r/seduction15/06/14 02:36 AM
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I've found some amazing girls when out, one became my girlfriend for awhile and was better for me by leagues than any girl I've met through friends. That's the benefit of having a far greater sample size. Absolutely it's so much easier to meet girls from your social circle. It all depends on what your goals are really.
/r/seduction15/06/14 02:04 AM
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If you want proof, go to a big city and figure out which guys are doing really well; say at least 1 cute girl a week. There're a few guys in the pickup circles in San Diego who put up numbers like that. Go follow them around to see what's possible. Though one out of 20 is a really solid pull rate, if that's not good enough for you, then yeah you should give up. Pickup doesn't work that way anyway, you approach a ton of girls a night, many of them just to fuck around. Some guys do as few as 1-10/…
/r/seduction15/06/14 01:37 AM
1

My advice to anyone who is in that position is to forget about pickup. It's not something you can learn in that environment.
/r/seduction15/06/14 01:08 AM
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I have friends who I can virtually guarantee look goofier than you, and they average 2 new girls a week, many of them very cute girls. It's all about how hard you go at this. Saying you're nearing your peak at 500 approaches is like saying a newbie weight lifter is hitting his genetic potential after a month of lifting. I encourage you to go to a big city and find players who are absurdly good, usually there's three or four in the pickup circles if you want to see what's possible. It all depends…
/r/seduction14/06/14 07:22 PM
1

and how?
/r/seduction14/06/14 07:10 PM
1

Nice. That's the thing about this skill, it's insanely hard to build. I don't like seeing guys who are wasting their time reading material and a board when they aren't going to put the work in. I especially don't want to see guys who really want it thinking doing more than 1000 approaches a year is overdoing it.
/r/seduction14/06/14 07:10 PM
1

That's really style specific. 80% pull 20% push is a good benchmark, and it's easier go with making the fact that you want to fuck her obvious. But really you're asking a lot of basic questions. Find a great beginners product. I like Julien's PIMP
/r/seduction14/06/14 07:07 PM
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I've been in it for about four years. I get frustrated when guys think they don't have to approach much, mostly because if that's the kind of advice I was following I would have been spinning my wheels for years.
/r/seduction14/06/14 07:05 PM
1

Where'd you meet these guys?
/r/seduction14/06/14 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure. It probably has something to do with the fact that you're just another dick grinding on her. You're just another shiny object, you're not a person. So she sees another shiny object and runs towards it. That's why you want to pull her off the dance floor, you get to compete with less stimulus, build attraction and connection.
/r/seduction14/06/14 09:31 AM
1

Oh that is definitely not what I meant, but the sentence is more fun now.
/r/seduction14/06/14 09:24 AM
1

You don't have to be attracted to a girl to attract or pull her, so you can learn just as easily by gaming all kinds of girls. If you want to consistently attract high quality girls, you have to get a lot of experience. Some guys don't want that, and that's cool too.
/r/seduction14/06/14 09:21 AM
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You can't really learn pick up in a small town. The number one piece of advice to someone who wants to learn game who lives in a small town is: move out. Or you have to completely ostrasize yourself because you're making your mistakes in plain view of everyone. I have a friend who did that. He was infamous but he got pretty good, then after he got to a big city he progressed to an absurd level. And yeah, I do mean it when I say 120 per month bare minimum. That's why night game is so important, i…
/r/seduction14/06/14 09:16 AM
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What you say doesn't matter when you're direct. You can say those same questions, but with lazer eye contact and talking in a sexual/commanding/challenging way. Subcoms are far more important than content. As for dancefloor, energy doesn't matter, what matters is matching intensity. I don't like dancing with girls until I have more compliance, or I dance quickly and walk away, I like going in with high intensity and talking to them normally. You can ignore the fact you're on a dancefloor. Yeah b…
/r/seduction14/06/14 12:11 AM
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Plowing isn't about weaseling a close out of her. It's about making it easier to see how awesome you are by talking to her more. It's beating a shit test when she's simply wondering if you'll cave, or giving her a larger sample of your personality. Some girls aren't intuitive enough or paying close enough attention to tell you're cool after 3 seconds or 3 minutes, they need more evidence.
/r/seduction13/06/14 11:51 PM
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Never worked for me at all You've done 100 approaches, it makes sense that you are bad at plowing because it's a hard skill to learn. Listen to other guys who are more experienced, they'll tell you plowing is the shit.
/r/seduction13/06/14 11:33 PM
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'State', 'in the zone', 'on' is a state of mind where your words flow freely, you're assuming girls will like you, you don't care if they reject you, and you're having a lot of fun. The easiest way to get there is to hit on a bunch of girls without stopping during a night, and then continuing to approach at least a little day after day. This is called 'building momentum'. It's hard to get there as a newbie, but gets easier over time. It's an emotion, the craziest thing about it is attracting gir…
/r/seduction13/06/14 11:07 PM
1

Start from hello. Have a few moves you memorize which you can try on every girl so you get a feel for what you can get away with. Get in the zone via momentum. Learn to judge when she's tensing up so you can step back a little, learn to tell when she's getting bored so you can put more pressure on. Fuck it up and look creepy and desperate a lot so you figure it out.
/r/seduction13/06/14 10:10 PM
1

Meh, try it if you value truth.
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:56 PM
1

Yeah it's a bit sad, but they'll probably find a sweet girl. I don't think it's ever a good idea to try to teach those guys; horse-water. What I meant by 'some', is that some dudes want to pimp but they don't know it's possible, those are the guys you want to teach. Even with those guys, let them ask you questions or they might freak out.
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:53 PM
6

Quick summary: Figure out what it's really about. Be a honey badger. Fuck me that was long-winded.
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:45 PM
1

Yup, enjoy it. Game is game, it's the same everywhere.
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:40 PM
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With daygame I stand by what I said, isolate, build the bubble, it's all the same but the sun is up. Your ability to plow gets so much better over time it's disgusting. If that's what you want then awesome, not everyone wants to or should get really good at this. I'm just saying the way you get good is doing approaches, and you're doing people a disservice by giving them advice which isn't heavily field tested.
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:35 PM
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Most of this advice is solid, containing both typical insights and misconceptions for that few approaches. 2 Most of the time this is true, if a girl is unresponsive you can flip some though. 3 Totally, sometimes this is a shittest though and much of the time you can flip them, learn to plow, 'game the wall'. 7 According to friends who pimp hard(ALERT barely field tested ALERT), daygame is easymode. No distractions, insta-dates, and massive value boost for approaching in the day. BUT nightgame i…
/r/seduction13/06/14 09:11 PM
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Yeah, I think they get cynical, that's how it is with my friends. 'It's impossible to get laid at bars, only sluts would fuck a guy they met at a bar.' Bring them out and blow their minds with a set. They'll probably be easily impressed, if you do your thing and then they bump into you while you're macking some cute girl, some will get inspired and want to pimp with you.
/r/seduction13/06/14 08:49 PM
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The girl likes you: Girl: "Who are you here with?" You: "I'm out alone" Girl: "You're so brave, I could never do that!" The girl doesn't like you: Girl: "Who are you here with?" You: "I'm out alone" Girl: "Oh" She shuffles awkwardly thinking you're a creep, which is super funny when you get how meta it is. Give it a shot, this happens like clockwork.
/r/seduction13/06/14 08:30 PM
1

Thank you. Two words: Old women. Older girls, older the better, 50 years olds are the best, will be so ridiculously happy that a young guy is flirting with her even if she knows that's it. She will talk your ear off man. Please forgive the insensitivity: Go for fat girls, then butterfaces next. I joke with dudes here and there, but I don't make it a focus. You get more practice and have an easier time getting in the zone with girls.
/r/seduction13/06/14 08:24 PM
1

Totally unnecessary, if you're on a girl will reframe it as 'Oh you're so brave!' if you're not the awkwardness is funny. Try it, it's a bit of a mind fuck.
/r/seduction13/06/14 08:15 PM
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Reword a), c), and (inc. 1 phone number or k-close) don't make short term goals which depend on the girls reactions. Add 'Try to', if you make an attempt it's a success whether you get it or not. This is important for outcome dependence, but moreso for feeling like more of a badass no matter what happens and feeling better over the course of the night. Change b) to 12+. I would add: Try minimizing time between sets(do as many sets as necessary for this) Try to create a home base. If you're going…
/r/seduction13/06/14 08:09 PM
2

If you ask people what 'creepy' is, nobody will be able to give you a definition, just examples of it. Vsauce has a solid explanation on youtube. Creepy is an unknown entity of which its threat of danger is hard to distinguish. The Uncanny Valley is a great illustration of this.
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:55 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/281kaw/fear_of_being_the_creepy_guy/ci6te0g
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:47 PM
1

Careful, a considerable amount of dudes who are good at this can't type to save their lives.
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:43 PM
1

Totally agree, but replace Ugly with unconfident. I hope you're ugly so this will work, if not, dress terribly and try it. Go out and approach a bunch of girls and get in state. You'll notice girls start thinking you're handsome and stare you you from afar. Any guy who thinks looks are a huge issue would figure it out if they just saw this ONE time. It completely blew my mind.
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:36 PM
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Hot(not looks) guy who hits on you: Sexy. Unattractive(once again, not looks) guy who hits on you: creep. Go out! Notice how when you're feeling boss and a girl asks you a question, she'll always re-frame your answer positively. Boss: "Who are you here with?" 'I'm here by myself' 'Oh you're so brave I could never do that!' Feeling self concious: "Who are you here with?" 'I'm here by myself' 'Oh' shifts nervously thinking you're a weirdo
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:34 PM
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1 Except that's how you get Icy, getting hit hard here and there, just like getting lot's of rejections, forces you to tighten up your game. You can also never feel love if you do that(I'm still on the fence about whether this is good).
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:27 PM
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I've gotta be that guy, I don't think that word means what you think it means: nonplussed Cool post though. I'd say something to the effect of "I love no's, I hate maybe's, don't lead him on and waste his time"
/r/seduction13/06/14 07:01 PM
1

@20 girls. I've gone through breaks with amazing girlfriends. The thing is, losing my swagger was deadly for those relationships. Most girls suck in bed. A girl who is physically attractive but annoying is a 0. I've felt dirty or bored before, and it's always been for lack of chemistry. Keep going, find an awesome girl, but don't stop pimping.
/r/seduction13/06/14 06:56 PM
3

Sweet post. Seed the pull sooner and... The girls say they wanna try and go into the hot tub at there hotel. At this point, or any time afterwards is where you should have ninja'd her away from her friends and pulled. Figuring out the logistics earlier would also have helped. Logistics Logistics Logistics Logistics Don't blame your buddies, ABC.
/r/seduction13/06/14 06:35 PM
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No problem, thanks. Keep in mind, AA never goes away, you just get better at ignoring it.
/r/seduction13/06/14 04:47 AM
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Flawless logic, listen to the experienced.
/r/seduction13/06/14 04:40 AM
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Most of the girls I've been with have said they wouldn't have sex with a virgin. I don't care how cute you are about it, you will be shooting yourself in the foot. Don't emotionally react, but I would avoid the question till after you've had sex.
/r/seduction13/06/14 04:39 AM
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I'm terrible at social circle game, so I'm not going there. The thing with pickup is, you fuck it up a lot. It's like learning to play violin, you sound like a dying cat for the first few months. Don't try to learn pickup in house parties with your social circle, you'll socialize with the grace of a dying cat. Focus on having fun, and here and there a girl will fall on your dick even if you're super weird. As a newbie, you learn pickup by approaching absurd amounts of strangers with consistency.…
/r/seduction13/06/14 04:19 AM
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One word: momentum. Go find a place which is anonymous and there are a ton of girls(hint: clubs). Then after the first night of only getting in 1-5 approaches, do it again the next night and now you probably did 5+ approaches(don't worry if you don't do more than 1 the first couple nights, this shit is hard). Rinse and repeat, you'll probably be capable of 20+ a night in a couple weeks. Now when you see that girl during the day it's not hard to jump in. I've done well over 7000 approaches at thi…
/r/seduction13/06/14 03:50 AM
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Yo check this out at the 7 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Ed1RZcIKo They talk about exactly what I said, gotta love serendipity.
/r/seduction12/06/14 11:42 PM
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We freeze up when we're reacting to people(what do I say to make her like me? is this good enough? what do I do with my hands?). It's an attitude problem. You fix this by getting into a social mood, going through a bunch of social pressure, and having options.
/r/seduction12/06/14 09:34 PM
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I have this same issue sometimes and I don't buy the 'fear of failure', because I know EXACTLY what to do. The common factor I've noticed is that when I feel like a boss or when I'm used to closing in a certain way, I don't hesitate. Wherever your escalation sticking point is repeat it on every girl, and learn to get in state more often. Argh, I don't even know how many 9's I've run away from when they're practically begging for a bone.
/r/seduction12/06/14 09:03 PM
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Complete fucking douchebags who are in terrible shape and can't hold a job can have pathological levels of confidence. You basically have to brainwash yourself into being confident.
/r/seduction12/06/14 10:01 AM
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I can relate to that, I went out solo or with dudes who explicitly went out to pickup for the first year or so. I didn't want friends to see me bombing all night. As far as PDA in front of my friends though, I'm totally shameless. That's not hard to work on, just desensitize yourself, and realize playing with a girl whenever you want to is normal and fun.
/r/seduction12/06/14 09:56 AM
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It depends, I've only seen it done as a sign of affection when our bodies are almost touching we're so close, or to console me. Almost every time I've seen a girl do this to me it's a shit test, to see if you'll let them touch you in an aggressive, intrusive, or condescending manner: tapping you on the cheeks or lightly pulling your hair. Intercept her hand or take her hand and clasp it and treat it like a shit test if that's what she's doing.
/r/seduction12/06/14 09:47 AM
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"Come check out my hip extension"(kind of kidding) Do it the same way you'd do it anywhere else. The approach doesn't have to be done indirectly, they're human. How would you respond to a hottie rolling up when you're done with a squat giving you bone me eyes?
/r/seduction12/06/14 01:56 AM
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A lot of the PUA theory is bullshit. The best stuff is distilled description of effective patterns which are virtually hard-wired into people, or are so culturally ingrained that they might as well be. It can't be played out because everyone does it, and has for years. You take the scaffold, then build your own castle.
/r/seduction12/06/14 01:51 AM
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I think this reason why this works for you, is that you own it. It's you and you're not putting up a front. 'Congruence' in PeeYouAee lingo. That said, feeling awkward about it will hurt you. The actual things you're saying being awkward aren't really as important. As long as you can tell and can relate that to the girl if she gets stressed about it, while still not being phased. Still, learning the patterns of how all this works wouldn't hurt.
/r/seduction12/06/14 01:46 AM
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Every guy can clear this up in his head with a simple experiment: Work on being able to warm up into state at least once a week. What you'll notice is that girls who you haven't even talked to yet will sense it and stare from afar; enough that it's very pronounced. Once you can, go out while looking as bad as possible while still able to gain admittance to the venue. Get in state and see if girls still stare at you the same way(hint: they do). Do looks matter? Yeah mostly if you want to impress …
/r/seduction12/06/14 01:33 AM
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Kinda, yeah. She's going to try to find out about you when she wants you, so she'll work to pronounce your name later. I'm also saying it's easier to attract her because the moment you say it she'll be thinking 'wait, what the fuck was his name?; How do I say that?; weird name' and if during that time you're moving on to the next topic or question she's forced to react to you. The old school name for this is 'shifting sands'.
/r/seduction11/06/14 09:59 PM
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You're boring because you think you're boring in English. Try saying the same stuff, but pretend everything you're saying is gold, have strong sexual eye contact, ask the questions authoritatively and don't let her take over for the first couple minutes. Try just upping the tension and don't let her relieve it unless she starts to freak out.
/r/seduction11/06/14 08:16 PM
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Well done, I'm glad someone made this post so I didn't have to. One point I want to add, is that if night clubs are super hard to game in(they are if you're starting out) that's an asset because it pressures you to sharpen your game. Also, I've met many extraordinary girls at night clubs. If you haven't, you're not hitting up enough girls.
/r/seduction11/06/14 07:59 PM
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Once a girl is attracted to you, she's going to put in all the effort to learn your name. You actually have an advantage, because it'll put her on her back foot early and you continue leading while she's thinking about it.
/r/seduction11/06/14 07:08 PM
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I think Vince Kelvin is a complete joke, and Roosh is an idiot. Otherwise I like RSD a lot, some of it is a bit manipulative for my taste though, Julien is too intense for me sometimes but knows what he's talking about. David D is cool, Hypnotica had some interesting stuff, and the book of Pook was good. I honestly need to branch out and see the other new material in the scene.
/r/seduction11/06/14 08:33 AM
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Shit man, what does it mean when she rubs your tummy? How about both at the same time?
/r/seduction11/06/14 08:25 AM
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Yeah, I was most of the time from around puberty to early twenties before I became fully stabilized with medication(BPII). Bipolar spectrum normally has its onset between puberty and early teens or as young as 2. Major Depressive Disorder usually starts in late teens. Go find a psychiatrist if you're curious, and remember that there are a lot of options before medicine is a good idea.
/r/seduction10/06/14 09:31 PM
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Find ways to build mental stamina, and consider whether or not you are depressed.
/r/seduction10/06/14 09:22 PM
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You essentially have to brainwash yourself. Think up a bunch of your positive qualities and harp on them over and over, repeat to yourself that you're awesome enough and you start to believe it. I was telling a buddy of mine the other day how he's fucking up on a few different parts of his life. His response to every point I made was 'I'm god'. Now is he taking this a wee bit too far? Yeah he's actually fucking up his life because of it, and becoming a total sociopath, but there is a happy mediu…
/r/seduction10/06/14 09:20 PM
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Own it, I'm jealous of you.
/r/seduction10/06/14 07:33 PM
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Too much push, not enough pull. Your girlfriend was too much pull not enough push. She also kept pushing for a social event when the girl obviously would be more comfortable hanging one on one. Listen to girls, they'll tell you how to take themselves. Either way use text primarily for setting up a meetup, don't get fancy unless you need to.
/r/seduction10/06/14 07:02 PM
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Getting any girl super attracted to you, regardless of her physical attractiveness is extremely fun. Give it a shot. Fat girls are just as adorable as attractive girls when they're looking up at you with doe eyes and hanging on your every word. Go interview hot intelligent girls about how often they go to bars, I bet it's more often than you think. Anyway, how else are you going to practice so that when you meet that girl it's silky smooth?
/r/seduction10/06/14 06:49 PM
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You have to be emotionally buttfucked enough times. As far as AA goes, do it consistently (every day) and disassociate the situation from yourself, make it funny, view yourself from above.
/r/seduction10/06/14 06:37 PM
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Sick post, that's the what. Here's the how: You froze. That happens when I get offered a close which I'm not mentally prepared to act on. I don't know why this happens, success barrier, being stuck in my head, not having the habit. What I do know is how to avoid it. Get in the regular habit of closing girls. Part of it is a state of mind, being socially fluid from momentum, part of it is pure habit. Grab numbers from every girl you approach for awhile, try to pull every girl you meet, ABC man. M…
/r/seduction10/06/14 06:23 PM
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I've been clinically depressed for most of my life. It's only recently with the help of miraculous modern medicine that I've stabilized, so I know where you're at. More than anything, it's hard to find people who enjoy your company when you feel miserable enough to kill yourself all the time. You'll learn to shed your coping mechanisms with exposure to people whom you like, girls, and time. As far as friends go, great friends are hard to come by, keep looking. The best advice I can give there is…
/r/seduction10/06/14 03:15 AM
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Confidence is orthogonal to success in the current era. You basically have to start brainwashing yourself that you're a badass.
/r/seduction09/06/14 10:59 PM
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Learn how to deal with shit tests.
/r/seduction09/06/14 10:44 PM
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This is my favourite newbie guide I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqo86IvOJ0 PIMP by RSDJulien is my favourite comprehensive program if you want more, it's got basically everything you need. If RSD isn't your speed there are plenty of other products out there. Be super careful about not taking in too much information, it can freeze you up because this stuff doesn't make ANY sense without practicing it(2 nights a week absolute MINIMUM, 240+ approaches per month). Find one program or s…
/r/seduction09/06/14 10:21 PM
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It's situational. On Saturday I was talking to this girl who was giving me eyes one minute in. If I had mellowed out, went sexual, and said things like you did she'd have stayed. Instead I wasn't paying attention and went on a rant about how she's meg from Family Guy and her dad wants to club her. Of course she walks off thinking I'm out of her league and a dick. Hilarious in hindsight, but bad because she was adorable, seemed like a cool girl, and I gave up a layup. If I had said the exact same…
/r/seduction09/06/14 10:03 PM
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Sick, /u/fallenistand is right, it's the low percentage move but it worked here, and it means the girl is super into it. 'What are you doing tonight' Start out minimalist and complicate it if you need to. RSDJulien has a good video explaining it. Also, go find an article about comfort vs value. Since this girl's so into you, be careful about being too blaze(sic?) because she might think you're too good for her.
/r/seduction09/06/14 09:43 PM
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Obviously, don't stop approaching. My best advice for AA, is find out what makes you afraid to approach and find a better way of looking at it. It's normally unconscious. For me, I've noticed that I stop approaching when I feel embarrassed about what I just did, when I cringe at my last set. To combat this, I always find a way to make it funny, take note of how badass it was, focus on the cool parts and understand mistakes are a good sign, and I dissociate from my actions. Think of how when you …
/r/seduction09/06/14 09:34 PM
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I agree with you, the canned lines are creepy. They're probably within the first year or so of picking up. They don't realize yet that it's the way you feel, your attitude, which attracts girls, not the words. As for talking to a lot of girls, that's how you learn and get out of your head. At its best it's being social and having a good time, at its worst it's funny and screwing around.
/r/seduction09/06/14 09:17 PM
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It's a low figure as a benchmark, as in all skills, experience = skill. I assume the answer is no. You're a mod, this explains why there is so much misinformation in this subreddit.
/r/seduction21/05/14 02:40 AM
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She doesn't feel good enough for you. In lingo: too little qualification. If you care: Emphasize that you really care about her and why. If you don't and you want to be a scumbag: Make up reasons and act well.
/r/seduction21/05/14 02:17 AM
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'Meet me at X at Y.'
/r/seduction21/05/14 02:14 AM
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"Hi, I'm rand0mize, what are you doing tonight?"
/r/seduction21/05/14 02:07 AM
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Good for you on the empathy. I agree in theory, though I've yet to see it in practice. Thanks for a hopeful counter-example.
/r/seduction21/05/14 02:02 AM
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So you know no one who has a massive amount of lays who can't feel empathy and has a sadistic drive to hurt others? Do you know anyone who has more than 100 lays? EDIT: This isn't a sample of my childhood friends. This is the best I've seen picked from all the pickup groups in a major city.
/r/seduction21/05/14 01:58 AM
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For most it's a shit test, for others you can tell when they want you to say you're kidding and lie to them because they're into you because they have a hangup. That pretty much covers it. Honestly, you're a lucky bastard. You can satisfy girls on the high and low end who have hangups about it. To the White Knights who don't get the lying bit, save your judgement until you've experienced it IRL.
/r/seduction16/05/14 11:28 PM
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How many approaches have you done? I've done a bootcamp and it was an awesome experience, but only because I'd done enough approaches to know what confused me and I had some idea of where I was stuck. Seeing how to warm up, what crazy stuff you can get away with, how important getting in the zone is, and having hands on feedback of fundamentals is really valuable. I'd recommend it to someone who has some confusion about which direction to work in to improve, and has done at least a couple months…
/r/seduction16/05/14 11:17 PM
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Talk to everyone, say anything, keep going, it's that simple. /u/nahdudefkthat has a solid take.
/r/seduction12/01/14 12:32 AM
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Yeah, this community is full of blatant plagiarists. Honestly, I'm sick of shit like this. There are so many great sources that would be readily shared and available but they're obscured by plagiarism.
/r/seduction12/01/14 12:23 AM
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You don't have to complicate it, ask what her week looks like and setup a hangout. Get tricky later if you have to.
/r/seduction02/01/14 11:19 AM
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Saying 'so I can graduate debt free' if she's challenging you, is qualifying, it'll go over okay but while you'll be logically more attractive to the girl, on an instinctual level she'll be less into you. If she's honestly and nonjudgmentally asking why you live with your parents, that's the answer you give her.
/r/seduction02/01/14 11:11 AM
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Fuck her well?
/r/seduction02/01/14 11:03 AM
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When you're talking to girls early on, don't try at all. Do your approaches, but don't force the charisma, stay chill. Once again: Do not try. You'll hit state but you'll be much more calm and solid when you do.
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:44 AM
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It's probably just sleep deprivation, I've felt like that before and I just needed a nap because the girl sleeps on a twin.
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:40 AM
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Car or friend's couch.
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:35 AM
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It's the difference between needing and wanting.
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:34 AM
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When on the dancefloor, I like to pretend it doesn't exist and head straight for the girl I like, then talk to her like I would anywhere else. If you commit to this it work wonders. I'm sure someone in here will give you some good high energy party advice though. EDIT: Give this a try before you knock it, the idea is to make the environment react on your terms, rather than the other way around. It's harder for a newbie to pull off.
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:32 AM
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How can a woman detect such a thing -- seems like a load of BS. You behave a lot differently when feel you can get laid with or without the girl in front of you. You hold eye contact, you don't hessitate on the approach, you pull AND push, it's harder to kick your flow, you can dominate the conversation, you're willing to walk away. She's also looking into your eyes, and via mirror neurons(which women posses more of than men) she's feeling what you're feeling. So if she feels you need her you're…
/r/seduction02/01/14 12:05 AM
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Meditate. Go through it a lot. Get more girls.
/r/seduction01/01/14 11:55 PM
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Awesome! Focus on how badass that is. You didn't lose anything, it's a learning experience. It makes sense that you'd trip the first time. Talk to her for a bit, move her around the venue, textbook stuff you're just jumped ahead a bit. Don't de-escalate.
/r/seduction01/01/14 12:12 AM
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threshold No I mean I'll tell myself "As soon as I hit the last step on that staircase" or "The moment I round the bar" three girl continuation I mean opening three girls with less than 10 second break in between leaving the last girl and opening the next. So open girl #1, talk for however long(if it's the first girl of the night it'll typically be short unless I've picked a girl who is bored or horny because I'll be awkward), bounce off and start talking to the first girl I see which will be gi…
/r/seduction01/01/14 12:00 AM
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He's describing about the difference between talking from a mindset where you need the girl to have sex with you, versus saying it feeling you'll be happy with or without her. You can still be doing the things which will make her have sex with you, but the difference is whether you're going to get butthurt if it doesn't go your way. You feel it as this subtle desperation when talking to a girl. The fucked up part is, because I'd been that way for most or all of my life when talking to girls I'm …
/r/seduction31/12/13 11:54 PM
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Hahaha Julien is such a scumbag, his game is phenomenal though. I love this video: Double makeout, car makeout, instant street makeout while a wing disarms the orbiter guy, push pull and makeout footage with two different gorgeous girls, this video has everything.
/r/seduction31/12/13 11:41 PM
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Awesome that you're figuring out blowouts are funny. I also get sad very easily so if I get shot down or ignored and I'm not in the right state of mind then my emotions run over me like a truck or something. This happens at first, I completely got over it at around 1500 approaches(very rough estimate, I stopped counting at around 500). under 50 and I'm even more sure it's under 80. The biggest thing people don't emphasize enough in this skill is the frequency of approaching necessary to progress…
/r/seduction31/12/13 07:22 PM
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I would tell myself: Ignore girls right now, focus on your studies and wait until college. There are such inconsequential opportunities right now that it's not even worth worrying about. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's the reality. You are waisting your time.
/r/seduction31/12/13 01:56 AM
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Bootcamp at this point is not a bad idea, it'll set you off on the right foot. The most effective lesson you can learn at this point is how differently people treat you when you carry yourself well as a result of feeling confident in the moment. I know this sounds nuts from your perspective, because I was right there baby face and all, but if you feel extremely confident in the environment no one will want to mess with you, at least for the duration you feel that way. The best way to feel this w…
/r/seduction31/12/13 01:53 AM
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This happens to me when I'm too nervous. Girls will often ask "Do I know you?" when I approach like this. The only way I know how to fix this an a natural introvert is to build macro or micro momentum by approaching a lot. As long as the mechanics go, you can use your vocal tone to convey everything you need to in those first couple seconds.
/r/seduction31/12/13 01:44 AM
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I mean that's true, but how can you tell how experienced somebody is? You start to get a sense for it over time. The key at first in to test it all out and compare personal experience to what people are recommending. Obvious I know, but my useful point is some of it will be bunk, and empiricism trumps intuition. Eventually certain successful attitudes, manners of speech(it's not uncommon for someone who writes like a gradeschooler to be giving the best advice in the thread), and methods shine th…
/r/seduction30/12/13 09:35 PM
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Haha I understand they're not going to be too down on it I tried to control for that misunderstanding. Thanks for your input.
/r/seduction30/12/13 08:32 PM
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That's not the case. Regardless of the social norm, I just don't like making people feel bad. It seems the more I make it just a fun time and don't make a big deal of it as I'm leaving, the less weight the girl will apply to the situation. I understand they're not going to be too down on it, sure their faces fall in the first moment, but every time I look back at them a few minutes later they're having a blast again.
/r/seduction30/12/13 07:53 PM
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I hope you find a mentor. Honestly it isn't all that complicated. 99% of 'game' is learned by playing it. Theory is helpful, but almost irrelevant in comparison with experience. You should be shooting for 160 approaches per month minimum for 0.2-5 years(depending on how good you are now: socially solid-recluse) if you want to get good.
/r/seduction30/12/13 03:24 PM
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It doesn't exist. What actually decides the outcome of an interaction with a girl is the frames you set from go, and the emotions you give. You can be a complete scumbag or a millionaire, it's irrelevant to the skill set.
/r/seduction30/12/13 02:39 PM
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Ideally you don't care and you keep talking. In reality, you have to fuck this up a lot before you learn to stop caring.
/r/seduction30/12/13 04:16 AM
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So this works, but it's bad advice because it isn't necesary and you're waiting for the girl to initiate. You'll miss a lot of opportunities waiting for 'that special moment' as opposed to doing it when you want to and when you can make it emotionally relevant.
/r/seduction30/12/13 12:58 AM
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Fuck it up a lot. Eventually you can tell where the window is. Some guys talk about 'doggie dinner bowl', and yeah you can almost always kiss when she's there, but you can often kiss before and without that. Also, if you don't emotionally react to her rejecting an advance, you can't lose by trying to kiss her. Actually there's one exception to that, if her friends are nearby and liable to get jealous they'll blow you out if you can't handle them.
/r/seduction30/12/13 12:44 AM
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Haha nice, wait until you hit state for the first time. Once you catch the tail of the dragon...
/r/seduction30/12/13 12:04 AM
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Or imagine this scenario: You're right up on a stunning girl, and behind her you see walk by another girl who seems from the way she carries herself and dresses that's she's probably more your type. What do you do?
/r/seduction29/12/13 11:52 PM
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Have you done this and pulled a highly attractive girl doing so?
/r/seduction29/12/13 11:19 PM
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I have a hard time getting hard with a girl the first time she's in bed with me. It's not an issue, the second or third time I'm with a girl I'm comfortable enough to calm down. You've probably got the same thing, just hang out with her more or keep an ED pill on hand for the first night.
/r/seduction29/12/13 10:04 PM
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He's not saying to be a goofball. You can switch between random topics and stay commanding, you just have to have the right tone. It's massively better than a logical conversation because it forces the girl in her head, and forces her to be reacting to you. You can be high energy, but intense, or just fun and flirty "It doesn't count", but still leading.
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:58 PM
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/u/gladosguru put up a video that explains this much better than I will. Personally I find this a lot easier if I talk to a few different girls in quick succession.
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:51 PM
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I mean, yeah you could have hooked up with both of them. On a practical level, the way to do it would be hooking up with Girl B while she's in town. Girl A seems chill with you seeing both of them, and B's not going to be around for long. While you were in the club, you should have talked to other girls, not to make A and B jealous, but to get out of your head and more free so you end up escalating on instinct instead of getting in your own way.
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:42 PM
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I went through something similar. I think the idea is to build a stronger base, both career wise and with a solid pool of girls so if she starts to walk you have a lot to fall back on.
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:20 PM
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If she asks him to buy two and gives one to me I find nothing wrong with it. This is an opportunity to teach guys not to buy random girls drinks.
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:16 PM
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First off, social proof doesn't work very well. People usually ignore what isn't right in front of their face in a bar. The exception being introduced through friends, which means you don't have to work for trust. Talking to less attractive girls is a blast. I like talking about abject nonsense, and getting sexual without making out. A couple conversations last night "Chipmunks or Unicorns?" we then talked about how she's a unicorn and all the merry realities that come from that for five minutes…
/r/seduction29/12/13 09:09 PM
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"I only buy drinks for my friends, but I'll escort you to the bar so you can get one yourself."
/r/seduction29/12/13 08:58 PM
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Ding, girls like this are a waste of time.
/r/seduction29/12/13 08:57 PM
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Unless she's feeling stronger about you than you are at this point, I'd cut it off before it gets messy.
/r/seduction29/12/13 08:53 PM
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If you want to shut a guy down when he's talking to a girl, just engage him in conversation. If you can get his focus on you, you win. If you want to keep from being shut down, laugh at any aggression, ignore if you can, give him quick feedback seldomly when he asks for it but keep your focus on yourself and your conversation directed at her. Whatever you do, do not get thrown off or angry. Good luck, and don't be evil.
/r/seduction29/12/13 08:36 PM
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If she knows the score go for it, just don't lead her on.
/r/seduction29/12/13 08:32 PM
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Are you dating people for "a few months" without knowing they're interested? You're missing the point. When a girl pays your way, because it's such an overt rejection of the social norm it's obvious she's paying for the privilege of your time and attention. It's a logical admission of "I appreciate your time" at least and at best "I'm burning for you," that she has to consciously admit to herself. When a girl switches from passively accepting your advances, to actively chasing you like that. It'…
/r/seduction29/12/13 07:41 PM
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This is spot on, it's not even about the money to me(okay, part of it is avoiding getting punked by brats). It's about what this communicates, and the fact that the girl is investing. Many girls pick up on this before you even put it to words as well, they see different types of guys: those who feel privileged to be spending time with her, and those that know the opposite. It's funny how this subreddit is about getting laid, stuffed with lauded advice on how to avoid getting laid.
/r/seduction29/12/13 07:32 PM
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Honestly, until you hook up with the girl I agree with this. It's pretty standard for me for girls to offer to pay for everything in the beginning. That said, I'll split it if they don't offer.
/r/seduction29/12/13 07:26 PM
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If I could go back, I would forget about 'game' when I was in high school, until I could go out to bars on a regular basis. Learning to do this stuff requires such a high volume of approaches, and if you're not doing them you'll think yourself in circles in your normal social life. That said, once you can hit up bars regularly, approach like mad this stuff is awesome.
/r/seduction29/12/13 07:02 PM
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Yeah, it's not only that it won't kill you though. It actively helps you. Every rejection makes you more emotionally resilient, more icy. Guys need to realize that feeling that pain is ultimately the best way to get better with girls.
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:44 AM
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Well, yes and no. You can definitely change your learning curve by seeking out advice. By the same token, the vast majority of my progress with girls is due to negative and positive reinforcement by girls' reactions. For example, if you fail enough shit tests, you learn not to emotionally react because in your random initial flailing, sometimes you didn't care when she started messing with you. Over time you gain the automatic reaction to be emotionally unaffected via the girl's stimilus. This s…
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:34 AM
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From the outside perspective, to the untrained eye it looks like you know the girl if you're halfway decent. Bar rats just want to have fun so the only people who will notice you are too busy having fun or zonked on club drugs to care. Remember that old idea that everyone is too busy worrying about themselves to criticize others. You probably haven't approached enough to see this in action yet, but try hitting on girls who blew you out earlier in the night when you're more in your groove. They'r…
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:27 AM
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In my experience, even if you get shot down it doesn't matter. I've noticed a few times after intense blow outs, a couple girls are looking at me with intense interest. I figure it's because if you have the balls to approach and can make a girl react that emotionally, you might be awesome.
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:22 AM
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My best approaches have been extremely sexually charged from the start, I made it obvious in some way that I thought the girl was gorgeous. That said, the only way I was able to be that direct, intense, and forthcoming, was because I did a few semi-approaches on girls I may or may not have found attractive in quick succession. I like direct the best, but semi's are great for getting in a chatty and dominant mood.
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:18 AM
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I think the best way to rid yourself of that fear when you've felt social rejection your entire life, like most dedicated scientists have, is to face rejection head on until you become immune to it. That's where approaching comes in.
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:12 AM
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Your charges as a wing: Talk your buddy up. Occupy anyone who might get in the way of your buddy hooking up. Be relatively unremarkable to the girl of his fancy, but don't be drab enough that it reflects poorly on him. Think chill, not engaging. How do you do the third? Talk slightly less loud than your friend. Look to your friend for leadership. Let your friend hold court, don't talk as much or as emphatically and authoritatively as him. Basically, you want her attention to be on him, not you. …
/r/seduction29/12/13 05:03 AM
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The video has a solid message, it's basically "don't be too hard on yourself" but I hate their marketing strategy.
/r/seduction27/12/13 05:29 PM
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I'm cold. - Put you arm around her and say "better?" True, but your response needs work. I'm hungry. - Response, lets go eat something, or wanna go eat something? Something more dominant and leading would be better here. I'm bored. - This depends on the tone and how you know the girl. Most of the time though it means She wants to do something. I normally say "then lets have fun." I take her hand and go dance, or the nearest interesting thing. Dont be her clown. Dont entertain her, make it a thin…
/r/seduction27/12/13 05:19 PM
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