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Yeah, this. Tinder is not an equivalent of normal dating scene, I mean even among apps… 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 10:27 PM
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But it makes sense. Men cheat because they want more sex, women cheat because they want more emotional connection. Some study showed that being the main reason for women cheating, their man feels neglectful. That men would cheat if they don't get enough sex seems to just make utter sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 07:20 AM
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In which way?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 07:37 PM
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See, here is something I wonder. Because a lot of women who fall into ”not for LTR but hot for sex” don’t have on paper as attractive features. (Neoteny, sexual dimorphism etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 07:08 PM
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I never said that that mattered here…? Where are you getting that from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 05:23 PM
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Indeed but what causes it since evolutionary women are to ensure commitment - being in that cathegory means that you have ensured that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 04:39 PM
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See it’s not that I’m not seen as sexy but that their view of le virtuos woman goes in the way of it. Example: Priscilla was very pretty and also hot physically, arguably somewhat more so than Ann Margret.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 04:32 PM
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Oh I agree on this, but I meant that it inspires commitment up to a certain degree. Men tend to perceive good looking women as less loyal looking too which is crucial for men commiting.
/r/RedPillWomen15/04/22 04:30 PM
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Huh? If anything i feel disrrspected and not seen as a whole hunan being.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:45 PM
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Actually maybe the latter truth be told. Grass is greener etc. I cannot respect a man who does not desire me or who simply sees me as GF material. Obviously the rest matters too, but that’s more a bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:39 PM
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Yeah and the matter is not the amount of partners but the reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:36 PM
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I guess I was tjinking of the Madonna whore complex which I still notice ”According to Wikipedia, a Madonna-whore complex is “said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (the whore) while they cannot desire the respected partner (the Madonna).”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:12 PM
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Since when did i mentioned amount of previous partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:11 PM
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This isn’t about disloyalty. It’s about whether he wants you or just anyone. If a higher value man choses you it’s likely because you are desireable because he has options. It’s about whether you are being juggernauted or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:03 PM
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Right, but that conversely means that you would desire them more so than you desire the nice ones no? Think re Madonna whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:55 PM
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Right but I feel like that ties into the Madonna whore complex. Men might love you but will they desire you? For women it’s also very hard to feel desire towards a man who doesn’t feel that for her; maybe a catch 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:54 PM
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It’s not about whether he would leave or not. That’s given based on the assumption of being someone they want to ”settle down” for. It’s about whether he choses you based on being ”nice and simple” meanhile he would date other women simply because they are ”hot”. And I would argue the opposites, men without option go for women as betas. Women want to date men with options to ensure she is not being betaed. This is why women dislike men without options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:20 PM
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Men seem to like women that are hot but rude, belittle them and don’t make good partners. I guess maybe that’s that They have stronger physical appeal and their attitude makes them seem unattainable = hot conquest. But essentially, its about not wanting to be the female version of a beta buxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:16 PM
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Lol yeah but I feel like all men seem to have that so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:00 PM
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Yes but evolution would lead women to want to ensure commitment and men to want to spread good genes and paternal ensurance, but this behaviour or attitude seems like the opposite of each genders general mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:50 PM
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I mean, by virtue of being a woman men will want to have sex with you. That does nothing for me. I guess the thing is for his attraction to exceed that, wanting to be the person. And yeah I guess as I said, a guy wanting to be in a relationship with me is a bare minimum (I date for marriage etc) and it’s not a bad thing per se, or that I would prefer not getting a relationship, but I feel like I’m being betabuxxed but the female equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:01 PM
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I feel like I’m the person they will decide and want to settle down for but in actuality drool over other women who they feel to initimidated to approach and try.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:45 PM
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I mean them wanting to be in a relationship with me is a bare minimum, and I would never have a ONS or anything casual, but I want them to do so because of desire too, not because I seem loyal or motherly or caring or kind. That’s because of my actions and What I do for them, not neccesarily because of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:43 PM
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I asked a question in the last parahraph
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:35 PM
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In theory, in practice men date down.
/r/RedPillWomen15/04/22 12:12 PM
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No. Look up the Juggernaut law. Men date down because a less attractive woman is seen as more loyal, thus increasing his chances of ensuring paternity (male driving force in male sexuality).
/r/RedPillWomen15/04/22 12:12 PM
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He did introduce for sure but wanted me to be ”harmless” enough for his mother to tolerate me, becaus she was essentially a bitch. And no I don’t know if possesiveness and mate guarding is the exception…
/r/RedPillWomen15/04/22 10:46 AM
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Interesting. I also had the opposite ish happen though. Men sometimes mate guard or hide women from their friends, men don‘t want to introduce women to their friends not because they are ashamed but to guard her. Men want mothers to approve and mother’s sometimes don’t want a woman that is too attractive. Attractive people are judged as less loyal by appearance so nah. Of course attraction gives commitment to some degree but not linear imo.
/r/RedPillWomen14/04/22 08:40 PM
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Yes and I also think it can signal irresponsible mindset or like, lack of self disciplin, easily distracted etc. Like a man who is totally driven by impulse and can’t focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:04 AM
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Not AS undesireable, and it depends on context. Women like men that are liked by other women. But… Low body count can be worse and better than a high one. If the low is because of lack of desireability - bad, if it is because the man rejects women it is good because it shows he values quality (and has option). High BC to me screams ”i have the opportunity so rarely i need to take it wherever it comes, and i actively need to find out”. I find stacking up body count in men sort of pathethic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 12:13 AM
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Ugly guys can, if they go for ugly women. Most men who ride the pussy carousel I would obectively place on "more attractive than the average man", but not the hottest guys. They can in fact often not get in a relationship with women they want to, so they resort to sticking their dick in everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 04:53 AM
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Who is that society that lied to them apprently about their looks giving them benefits and attention? Well it’s not other women.
/r/RedPillBooks28/03/22 05:57 PM
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”What is so bad about the fuckzone”. Could say the same - What is so bad about the friendzone? What is bad about it is that it’s not in the interest of the vast majority.
/r/RedPillWives24/03/22 02:18 PM
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Women don’t have it easier than men to obtain relationships though afaik, they just have an easier access to sex, in which most women are not interested. Friendzone is opposed to fuck zone as studies show that male and female romantic interest in friends are about equal what stands out is male sexual interest in female friends.
/r/RedPillWives24/03/22 11:54 AM
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This is black pilling. So men only go for relationships when they have to 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 11:25 PM
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Well apprently, as they seem to judge a woman unfaithful. I wonder though if they will end up cheat on their ”fairhful looking” wives with those sort of women, yet refuse to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 01:26 PM
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I read a study that men see attractive women as less faithful looking thus putting them in the str cathegory. But idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 02:32 AM
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This depends so much. I'm not a genious but quite smart, and I really appreciate being able to share this with my partner, especially someone that is smarter than me or more knowledgeable and can teach me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 05:35 PM
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able to there is a difference between being able to and actually doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 11:33 PM
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Well I do think women overlook it, but women still imo prefer a man that has options but choses to refuse women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:50 PM
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You mean women overlook it irl, or that women in the case of two identical men would chose the one with the higher count?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:17 PM
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Powerful men are to busy with working on what made them powerful 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:12 PM
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Exactly. Women want a man with low N-count because his standards are high. A man that could get more women but choses to not to because they aren’t worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:06 PM
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That’s part is about having options though and yes women find that attractive. Having options and still not taking every chance you get is far more attractive than having a high count as that signals a man is willing to take everything and cant allow himself to miss a chance. A man not taking every chance because a woman isn’t worth it to him is very different from an incel or a guy that tries to pursue women but fails. Not the man that is refused my women, nor the man that women don’t refuse, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:58 PM
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Depends on age
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:56 PM
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Yes I care and I would not want a guy with a high number, let alone someone that got to a high number by sleeping with as many people as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 04:22 PM
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You can use a idk what it is called but like those huge clasps
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/21 10:08 AM
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As for the first case I’m not talking about that, I talk about women who are perfect marriage material, but the man simply wants the bachelor life. Yeah, but men tend to lie to women to be able to keep her as a girlfriend, but then when it actually gets serious he will dump her. This wasn’t possible before with engagement, marriage etc having a different role.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 02:27 PM
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No, it makes me think they are playing a game. It’s not worthy to waste time getting attention from a guy that does that. Yes sure, it is better than guys being super desperate because that clearly seems like they are playing a game and that they ”need” to, like they don’t have options. Rude men at least can make it seem like they aren’t desperate, making it more likely to assume they have options. However often it just seems like a game they read on forums like TRP. I think that maybe this migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 11:32 AM
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Depends? Looks fade, personality and a achievent doesn’t. Personally I assume my RMV is in total higher than my SMV, which means that I’d be more likely to find a partner on being ”wifey material” than solely on my looks (which are fine, but not Instagram or model tier, I look normal). I am often taken for granted, and I would fear someone seeing me as the safe choice while lusting after supermodels instead. However I want to be seen for who I am, a person that values only on looks is shallow. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 09:21 AM
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This seems to imply that all women are interested in ONS in the first place. Secondly the study only mentions women being more choosy than men. I read another study which shows that men are not choosy at all for STR, but are choosy for LTR. Whereas women are choosy across the board. The difference is of course that ugly women have access to STR with attractive men, but don’t have access to LTR with them. However if I remember it correctly according to the study they still consider people that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 09:06 AM
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Madonna - whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:08 AM
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So you think this is always because of the woman? Sometimes the man simply has no serious will to commit, and then eventually he gets old enough to decide to marry anyway, in which he finds a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:07 AM
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23 soon 24, 20-30 I suppose, but up to 35 is acceptable or how to explain. Preferable is my age or a bit older.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 07:22 AM
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It is because it considers marriage as ”beta”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:33 AM
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Women with shitty genes from a male attraction perspective are likely the ones birthing the Chads (but also ugly daughters). Women who are ”good breeding material” will get ugly men but attractive daughters. And vice versa for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:58 PM
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Honestly, number one is such a major factor. I’ve seen hot parents produce ugly children and vice versa. Plus… some children inherit genes in a random combination that ends up ugly. And a woman that is considered pretty will usually have the opposite traits of a man that is considered handsome. Very mannish women are more likely to produce Chads, and incel femboys the Staceys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:57 PM
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I mean, the wall is real but it’s talked about from the wrong perspective. For a woman, it’s quite irrelevant that her dating pool is smaller at 35. A woman that is 35 is usually not looking for dating as many people as possible, generally speaking not at all. A woman that is 45 isn’t interested in dating a lot of people either, she takes care of her teenagers. The issue with the decline is that it makes a woman less desireable to her partner, however decline in desireability in relationships is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:54 PM
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No. Plenty more guys have a chance at a healthy kid at 40 than women, because at 40 many women don’t have a chance for a child at all. In terms of the women that are able to, they are more likely to have a healthy offspring. But yeah there is a huge issue in women waiting long, but I disagree with the narrative that for men, age is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:50 PM
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No, exogenous testosterone actually decreases the quality of sperm. But yeah, it can make a man less suspectible to the physical changes of age. Also well, a woman can freeze her eggs I suppose… 🤷‍♀️ But here is the difference… when I am 55 I don’t care about that my uterus is broken, I’ll already have had children and will be taking care of my children/grandchildren.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:43 PM
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Thank you lol, for women it’s rather a question of whether she can reproduce or not. For men, age is about the quality of the offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:38 PM
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I mean, they do have a function in reproduction in the larger scheme. They have no value in further reproduction, but surely in maintaining what a man already has reproduced. For some reason evolution made us so that we are only fertile half of our lives, and there ought to be a reason for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:36 PM
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And being technically able to produce a child doesn’t mean that it is ideal or that the person should. Male sperm is of WAY less quality at 50 and would be better of with frozen one from their youth. Just because the decline is gradual doesn’t mean that it isn’t there. The wall is real and it’s not the same for men, but it’s not like men aren’t affected negatively by aging at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:33 PM
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You should look for a traditional man, not neccesarily a "red pill" one. A lot of men that call them selves redpill attach certain own opinions and conclusion regarding the implications of rpt, which makes them very unsuitable partners. RP is a very vague term, and can mean a lot of things. Everything from "being aware of male/female nature and interdymanics between those" to men like that above.
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/21 06:42 PM
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What is nun mode?
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/21 01:41 AM
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I mean, I am not against thinking in terms of SMV. Not saying that you should ignore the fear or stop caring. And yeah but I think there is a difference between being aware and doing something against it versus cynicism and irrational worry. A 22 year old woman is still young, as is a 24 year old. But people act like it’s like 45. I’m 23 soon 24 myself and am quite worried. I am thinking of whitepill vs. blackpill here.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/21 01:11 AM
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That’s probably true as well
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 10:45 PM
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Oh I didn’t disagree on that a woman becomes less desireable with age, but for someone in their early or mid 20s to think about being to old is probably exaggerated. Hence quotation marks, men especially would sometimes claim certain things as red pill, which would be a misrepresentation of science. Yes and no. What I mean is physical desireability or attraction tends to be towards men that are more masculine than average, but not the absolute extremes that men think women are attracted to. Does…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 10:44 PM
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Yes but that's not relevant for this subreddit. I feel like you didn't read the post.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 10:42 AM
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I mean, I never claimed not to listen to science? Huh?
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 06:31 AM
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No, no. I mean using the more feminine tactic of vulnerability (ugh I hate to see it as a tactic) when it by heart is an either or situation. Ultimatums feel more honest. But this of course means, only ever ever ever use it when it's actually 100% an actual ultimatum, non negotiable etc.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 06:04 AM
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Oh definitely - however we humans are partly driven by feelings and don't act in rational ways always. We have a very limited ability to stay rational, and if we place to much importance on that, we might not even be able to abide by what is actually the facts, while neglecting for example instincts which sometimes can be much more effective. In the end, the use of sensibility can lead us closer to the truth. Ellinors emphasis on sense and wanting to restrain the impact her feelings have, makes …
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 05:33 AM
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I mean, I understand. But I feel like it would be dishonest or manipulative.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 05:18 AM
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It's normal. Personally maybe 19 is eversoslightly young (just a few years) in my eyes, but you can use that and prepare for when the time comes. I experienced this the first time when I was 16 or so? And between 13 and 16 my youngest sister was a baby so I sort of had a baby in my family, someone i shared 50 percent of my genes with so maybe no need for it, and I was probably to young in the sense that even though you are in theory fertile your body is still adjusting for it (though I read that…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:57 AM
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No, I have never had the wish for casual relationships. I have had once fiancée, where the engagement was broken after many many years on his initiative, hence why I'm single now, and that's it. I mean, guess it's not the "first time was on the wedding night" like for some, but it's abstinent within the context of modern society. However I really like your insight, it's not only about any sort of body count, but attitudes and virtues that we continue to uphold and that we teach our children. Tha…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:54 AM
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Can you explain?
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:39 AM
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You shouldn't have to wait that long, or at all. You are 26 and 25, have been dating for 2.5 and been together for 1. If you have the funds (which really isn't much required) then I don't see why waiting. In my opinion, right now would be a good time lol.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:36 AM
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I think I will have a fairly, at least moderately (as there is a strong intellectual and investigative part of it as well) feminine education. I study to become a psychologist with a masters degree in clinical psychology (haven't started my master's yet...) meaning psychotherapist. I think it's good in the sense that the work we have will affect how we behave. However beyond that it's just superficial. Having a "masculine" but shorter and well payed education enabling you to work 30% be at home …
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:34 AM
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No, this is directly against your interests as a woman. Men would ideally avoid commitment and have many women, and have low standards for sex. Women want to secure the best man all for themselves, and will refuse other men, and then keep him away from other women. This "cool girl" behaviour is a phasade of progressiveness all in favour of men, it is akin to how feminism has been used to asure men commitment free sex, whereas women are left with the short end of the stick. Not in your own intere…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 04:34 AM
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Well, I'm not sure if it's mental in the sense that it would qualify for a diagnosis. However, it's not really healthy. He might feal that he doesn't matter to you. Jelousy as a feeling is related to faithfulness, at least for women. Men really value faithful women.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/21 03:35 AM
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Eh, I'm super jelous. I wouldn't want to know, and I honestly speaking have some personal issues bordering on mental health issues. I think I'm medium attractive, and while that means that I don't fear not being attractive *enough*, to me it's stressful that there are many many other women that a future man will find more attractive? Heck, even if there is one only woman that he looks at. I really want to feel special, not like I'm something a person settled for while actually thinking of other …
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/21 11:50 PM
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May I ask why you broke up?
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/21 11:25 PM
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This is blackpilling
/r/RedPillWomen09/11/21 12:10 AM
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Then meet only in public and marry? Once you are married it’s part of the sacrament of marriage so that shouldn’t be an issue.
/r/RedPillWomen05/11/21 10:37 PM
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I live in Sweden. Staying warm is prio one. Literally not always possible to dress ”nicely”.
/r/RedPillWomen05/11/21 12:49 AM
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But why is That a problem for him?
/r/RedPillWomen04/11/21 11:36 PM
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Alright then you have to ask him what he means…
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 11:31 PM
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Well good looking is positive and self care, but caring to much can seem vain and disrespectful to the partner and also tempting. Toning it down or modesty doesn’t mean making yourself uglier, it’s just a different focus for beauty. And Yeah of course, but you could maybe Ask him more specifically. The issue is whether you want this relationship to work. To me it sounds a bit sad if the reason it doesn’t work is that he finds you to attractive.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 05:21 PM
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But you can just dress more modestly?
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 01:14 PM
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Keto and look into what of what you eat is making you gain and replace it
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 06:25 AM
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Kind of confused tbh. Does this mean he isn’t interested in marriage?
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 02:44 AM
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Madonna-whore. I thought about this for a long time, and *to be honest* I think males practice it more than women. I feel like women genuinely see men in a less dichotonomous view and actively try to find men with traits that allude to A/B traits. I mean we can even see this in female *attraction* in the sense of looks. If we look past the fact that women aren't as visual as men and are attracted to context and behaviour as well... Women are attracted to masculine men, but not hypermasculine. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 08:51 PM
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Go to therapy. Improve on your self and look forward.
/r/RedPillWomen20/10/21 12:33 PM
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Honestly I’ve thought so much about this as well. I tried to focus on self improvement but when I do so I always feel like I’m inadequate. It’s a double edged sword. If you want you can PM me and we can talk. 🙂
/r/RedPillWomen18/10/21 04:20 PM
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Haven’t been fat (I have been heavier than I am now for a brief period of time after taking a medication, but I lost it very quickly again and it was within normal range) but in terms of attractiveness, I think everyone treats me better than when I am not. I look quite average I think. Nowhere near popular girls on Tiktok, but not really ugly either. That looks give you so much in life is a major black pill, but it is what it is. That’s the brutal truth. I also think men care way more about look…
/r/RedPillWomen17/10/21 11:40 PM
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What is bbt?
/r/RedPillWomen14/10/21 02:59 AM
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Buy ovulation tests, then you can see if you are ovulating and at what time. That’s probably all you can do besides eating fertility promoting supplements, reducing stress, eating well.
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 06:19 PM
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Thank you, yes I’m young enough I just always knew I wanted to have family and so on earlier than my mum who was almost 30 when she got me. And the ”wall” starts at 30 so while I am still young relative to my entire life span I feel like I have ”wasted” many of my best years.
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 06:18 PM
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I want to know this as well. I know that youth is super important but somehow we must learn to live with the fact that we are aging. And make it as good as possible for us. Else it feels like the black pill. I’ve been extremely worried about this after being left by my fiancée after an extremely long relationship. I’m 23 soon 24 and feel like my time is wasted and I’m approaching the ”wall”. I think we should learn more about treatments and things to stay young. I already use retinol to prevent …
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 04:54 PM
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I think you should suggest him going to a psychologist. You can say that you have a lot to do/stress etc and don’t feel like you have time/feel well enough. In that way you don’t have to ”shame” him. If there are any issues you should try to resolve them and make a plan.
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 04:49 PM
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Ik, which is why I said that I understand the part about attraktion. But I feel like she should be more empathic and understanding. A woman’s role and feminine virtue is being empathethic as well, so :)
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 04:48 PM
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Absolutely, but I think she should help him develop those skills. She doesn’t have to be the one that talks about it with him. But it seems like shaming him and I think a woman should support her husband. Even if she suggests him to visit a psychologist. We can’t put all blame on men that are brainwashed by our degenerate society. That is almost black pill attitude.
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 04:47 PM
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I very much understand, but relationship isn't shopping for consumer products. And no, I don't think that is comparable *at all*. Being insecure is wildly different than the equivalent of a domineering woman. Trust me, my ex fiancée was that (i.e. failed at being a man). If anything part of it was that he failed to sort out his problems. With that being said, maybe she can suggest him visiting a psychologist or talk with his friends. And yes I agree, she can't have a future with him if she lacks…
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 12:55 PM
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I feel blackpilled af when I watch TikTok in regards to attractiveness, but then I go out in society and see the average human. I really do think social media is toxic af.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 12:32 AM
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You don’t seem to respect him. I understand that you feel confidence is attractive, it is - I agree. But if you cared then you wouldn’t shame him for lack thereof but support him instead. Honestly while I understand the fundamentals of this all I think many people still forget that we need to see people as human beings with all that includes.
/r/RedPillWomen13/10/21 12:31 AM
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Why the sad smiley? That is a good thing imo. And yes, then you can ask that for him as well. (The thing is if you weren't, I don't think that is fair, because then you did it with someone else without asking that from them. It implies the other man has something he doesn't have etc. Doesn't mean once lost, morality should be thrown out. I still think that women should stay very chaste, I just mean that you can't ask him for something you didn't ask someone else)
/r/RedPillWomen09/10/21 11:12 PM
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Are you a virgin yourself?
/r/RedPillWomen09/10/21 09:03 PM
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But not very helpful for someone that wants to learn it.
/r/RedPillWomen30/09/21 05:55 PM
1

No I’d say some people aren’t supportive of casual relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:56 AM
1

Aka they think that is the nurture part?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 06:48 PM
1

No I showed studies associating those kinds of behaviour with testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 06:42 PM
1

Right, I just thought you meant that there is an association between women being masculine and being drawn to masculinity in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 06:01 PM
1

Read my last paragraph? ”Women are machiavellist, dark triad, promiscuous, want to win” is male mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 06:00 PM
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You said behaviours were just nurture rather than nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 05:59 PM
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Now I don’t get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 05:01 PM
1

Isn’t that the BP thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:48 PM
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Interesting, you mean that feminine women are drawn to more feminine features in men? Then why do men want to be alpha if the reverse gives them the highest value women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:46 PM
1

So there is no male and female nature? Isn’t that the BP belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:36 PM
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Traits as in behaviours or traits as in looks? Because that is interesting, I never read about that. And well overall this is my analysis, but some people in the RP seem to like this. Marriage is seen as a defeat etc. For someone like me highly critical of modern society it becomes interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:32 PM
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Criticism regarding that is why I was into and called myself RP in the first place. But some people who call themselves RP like it, because it makes women more promiscuous and it at least gives them the possibility to have multiple partners etc etc. If they lived 500 years ago they would have needed to stay married for one woman their entire life and definitely provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:27 PM
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That is what I thought. But… No they don’t if they assume women are psychopathic, competitive etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:23 PM
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Yeah I belive men and women are quite dissimilar, and that a lot of RPs fail to acknowledge that. They try to project the male brain onto women (such as women being competitive, dark triad types of people).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:18 PM
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That’s not my point it is that these aren’t female traits but male ones. My point is exactly that sometimes people who call themselves RP aren’t really understanding how female nature is different but project the male nature onto it. This is a male mindset with two X chromosomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:15 PM
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Well then that is just pure hedonism. All of these traits and what RPT is based on stems from evolution. To not want kids as a man is equal to being homosexual. The genes were inferior if there isn’t a will to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:18 PM
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Apparently it’s bp to advocate for LTR so…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:09 PM
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See this is what I do not get. That is how males function. Men are more naturally promiscious, competitive etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:08 PM
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Yes and no, I feel like you present a false dichotonomy and mix views that are bp with those that aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:03 PM
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A lot. Fitness is a major part of male attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:02 PM
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It is not about opting. Women are not wired like that. ”Men and women leading polyandrous lifestyles have higher levels of testosterone. However, it is unclear whether higher levels of testosterone cause increased sex drive and in turn multiple partners or whether sexual activity with multiple partners causes the increase in testosterone. Sociosexuality in women is positively correlated with two measures of prenatal exposure to androgens—right digit ratio, and scores on the Vandenberg Mental Rot…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:01 PM
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Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 02:09 PM
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What does it even mean? - Is it “oh you are the husband guy not the fuckboy guy” then that is an insult. - Hi, I see you as a potential future husband… this is meant positively. This is the man that the woman will likely reproduce with, the one that carries on his genes. - Husband material in the same sense men say wife material, well. This is supposed to be positive, whole package deal etc. Telling a man he is provider material is like telling a woman she is fuck material. It’s the thing that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:47 AM
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Isn’t that dysgenic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:37 AM
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So the guys that got married resented it? You mean you aren’t? See “if you want kids” is interesting - because ultimately that is the point of it all biologically speaking. What’s the point beyond mere hedonism of all this then? Your bloodline would end with you, ultimately it being dysgenic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:33 AM
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This is true somewhat but still, we are all humans not caricatures. Men show more dark triad traits than women but it’s not like most men are unable to feel empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:16 AM
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Do you really think women have it good living in the "BP" way? In a way that is radically different from how it has been pretty much since beginning of humanity? BP forces women to compete with men in male areas, make women neglect having children etc. I feel like feminists and modern society but also some men who benefit from this thus promote the status quo in society have lied to *me*, tbh imo it's with the goal of destroying societies for economic benefit. Not that women want this. The women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 12:33 AM
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Unironically seen women promote this. They go at lenght to try to disrupt all million years of evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 12:26 AM
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Feminism thinks masculinity is hurting women. Feminists don't really care about men in their ideology. Blue pill often not only abides under this, but also thinks masculinity is hurting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 12:22 AM
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Here is the issue, some men use RP to get access to as much s3x as they can. They have a different goal than say someone like me. I do however consider myself more on the RP side. To me some of these feel like just random statements. *I think the major difference is: Feminism thinks masculinity is hurting women. Feminists don't really care about men in their ideology. Blue pill often not only abides under this, but also thinks masculinity is hurting men.* The whole "ree women want to trick a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 12:15 AM
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I also thought about this a lot. Well, the wall exists. We do age worse and differently than men, and men rely upon other factors for attractiveness. However I feel like women end up seeing it like it, as in something we can't slow the process for, not doing anything against. We aren't taught to properly care for ourselves. Beauty is seen as full face of makeup, but we neglect nourishing our skin, using retinols and tretinoin etc. At the loss of the beauty of the youth we become bitter, but that…
/r/RedPillWomen28/09/21 11:26 PM
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Oh haha for me I was thinking that I feel better now at 130 lbs than I did at 108, and I’m 5’5, guess what we think of as thin or loosing weight is relative.
/r/RedPillWomen26/09/21 05:47 PM
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Huh?
/r/RedPillWomen26/09/21 12:50 PM
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I think energy thing is a bit occult sounding, I think more of it as behaviours. Being kind, nurturing, accomodating, graceful, devoted/loyal, unassuming, expressing emotion, sensitivity. In contrast to stoicism, assertiveness, decisiveness, pride, strenght, forcefulness etc.
/r/RedPillWomen26/09/21 01:25 AM
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I didn’t say it is a good compliment. I just said women don’t mean it the way men think they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:32 PM
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Why treat it as a norm though, it’s not part of female mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:32 PM
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No but understandeable from a male perspective. If that comes from a woman and is said randomly and not to a partner it means she is promiscious. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 03:30 PM
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Why are you assuming women would have casual relationships in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 02:17 PM
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This is when TRP is taken to far. That’s just some real dumb shit. Women are most drawn to men who possess both traits in combination and want to find both in one man. Women aren’t biologically inclined to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 09:00 AM
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I cant imagine a woman saying to a man he is husband material as a point of rejection as that is what women want?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:58 AM
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Wow you really won the lottery
/r/RedPillWomen24/09/21 08:05 AM
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Because if a guy doesn’t commit or do anything then what’s the difference to being a concubine? Attractiveness is a criteria to marry someone yes, but it’s not ”enough” if a man doesn’t have anything else - hence women wouldn’t sleep with someone just because they are attracted to them. As mentioned before, women don’t want STR, women aren’t naturally promiscious and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:54 AM
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Funny that women say here it’s a compliment but men claim it’s an insult. Women are selective and exclusive, that means that telling someone that means that she actually could imagine having s3x with you, unlike other men. 🙂 Clearly it implies attractiveness (do you really think women would marry someone they don’t feel attracted to????) but women can’t go around telling men they want to sleep with them even if she is indeed attracted to them. That makes a woman cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:39 AM
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Women don’t want short term partners
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:37 AM
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Even if a woman thinks so she wouldn’t say it because it makes her seem loose, imagine women going around and telling all guys they feel physically attracted to or could potentially be so (what I mean with this is that female sexuality is more reactive, it answers to what a man does so women aren’t fully like men in that regard)? If a woman tells a man this it doesn’t mean he has redeeming qualities, it means he is someone she could actually imagine sleeping with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:36 AM
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Like this: for women it’s super easy to get s3x. Because most men would sleep with anyone if they have a chance. Like someone said it is of low value. Women don’t. Women only give it out in LTR. Casual s3x is not natural for women. That’s why it is of high value for men (ergo they see it as the biggest compliment or whatever). That’s also why women value relationships and see commitment as the highest sign that a man likes you, appreciated you, and finds you attractive. It is literally based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:30 AM
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Funny, I’d never even touch or be in a relationship with a man i wouldn’t be able to see a future with. That logic is super flawed. Women want commitment from men, men want sex from women (though both men and women of course want both), women are only interested in LTR - that’s why women see it as a compliment and I assume why men see it as an insult. But it says nothing about a woman’s actual motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:25 AM
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Lol, if it wasn’t like that then human’s would exist as two different genders but just clone themselves or whatnot. It’s dysgenic not to have that as part of the mindset to at least be validated by potential future partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:21 AM
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No, that’s how men think. For women it’s husband material or nothing. That includes the physical part, but women don’t give that away for free. 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:16 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:12 AM
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Now I’m coming from a female perspective: Are you serious? An insult? Women are selektive and usually only give out sexual relationships to men they see themselves spending their life with. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t want to have sex with you, if anything it’s under those circumstances where she actually will?!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:11 AM
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Oh absolutely it’s better to be married young. But then the discussion is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 05:45 PM
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25 is still young and by 30 you should be married. Lmao didn’t read about group thing. I don’t think That’s appreciated at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 05:36 PM
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Yeah but doing so in an exclusive monogamous relationship preferably without previous sexual partners
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 05:03 PM
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Yeah but remember that the mans sperm can survive for longer. Doesn’t matter, men don’t like promiscious behaviour so no you don’t have to ”in this day and age”. However with the partner that is another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:03 PM
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That’s why you should find a partner you are as satisfied as possible with. However, you will not come away from the fact that as a woman once you are 50 or so (fertility stops there for women approx), younger women will be more attractive to the man. However you can prevent him from acting upon it. Not all of our biology or whatever is good or makes sense, that’s why we need rules or laws. Us humans are inclined to immoral behaviour and sin, and we need things to help us get away from it. Ergo …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:02 PM
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No about a week and the rest is time the body makes to prepare and ”aftercare” for that week, and it is biologically made to be reproductive. Thus that’s how we are wired to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:23 PM
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Lmao what? A man can impregnate 1000 women in one year, a woman can only carry one child. Thus women are selective naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:46 PM
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With their long term partner then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:45 PM
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For what obvious reason? And no that is not true acc to science…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:14 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:14 PM
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Yeah and they show women are biologically/evolutionary made to be selevtive as to find LT partners so that they can have children
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:03 PM
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Lol ok. And no you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:01 PM
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Lmao go around think you are a ”Stacey” because you are promiscious, do so lol. What you are describing isn’t normal promiscious behaviour but literally prostitution for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:11 AM
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Most women aren’t interested in casual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:10 AM
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Oh my god, this proves the issue with the purple pill or milky/cherry pick version of red pill theory. He won’t be able to have an opinion past 30 anyway and the woman doesn’t work but is payed by him 😎 No but on a serious note… Why should she? Because the purpose of life is to reproduce in your late teens, 20s and early 30s, and then to raise those children. You are married, and regardless if the man is lusting for younger women (aka instinct to spread his genes more) he also wants to stay (ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 05:09 AM
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How come? 😱
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 09:43 PM
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I think the issue is not that he has a girlfriend but that this girlfriend is her friend?
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 05:13 AM
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Read my other comment. I think it’s a very feminine game to play (I love the sims myself), but the issue is when it comes at the expense of something else such as actual interior design.
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 04:37 AM
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I was dumped by my ex fiancé because I was to “conservative” (and bear in mind, I wasn’t even open on my views, for a while then I leaned somewhat left but more in the sense “everyone can chose what they want to I just happen to have a conservative personality”) in my personality for his mother’s taste. With that in mind the fact that he was so extremely affected by modern liberalism in his mindset and the influence his mother had, it would have become an issue regardless. But here my personalit…
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 04:15 AM
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Yes I totally see the issue with playing video games. The issue is however imo that there is a fine line between hedonism in the negative sense (or just doing things that are worthless even if they are associated with good things) and needing time for procreation. It’s very dangerous for human health if we try to be productive all the time. To me that’s some of the failures of protestantism on overall values. But that’s another topic. If we see this from a female perspective: I think the equival…
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 03:46 AM
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I think the comparison here is to women who play the Sims imo.
/r/RedPillWomen19/09/21 03:29 AM
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I noticed this too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 02:15 AM
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It ultimately proves why it’s a bad thing and the ”happy whore” and the respectful client is a myth. Tbh this is even in other contexts signs a job is exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 04:35 AM
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Probably purple pill, but. I belive in love, true love, and most women are hopeless romantics. Men might not feel that way, but women do. Women care about personality. Women aren’t per se more attracted to ”Chad”, even on a physical level, often prefer some mix of masculine and feminine. Say, woman would choose Clooney over Khalimov. Even when it’s not LTR. Also I have these values not because I see women negatively, but because I want to protect them. (As a woman myself). I do this because it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 04:00 AM
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I mean that the reason it creates bonds is the reason to not give it out so freely. You can get some sort of feeling for how the person is in bed without well fullfilling it or performing literal sexual acts. By the way someone kisses you i.e. you can get a feeling how they will be in bed. That or those acts are fine by me. Personally though I think the best thing is to wait until after marriage, but that I don’t expect people to universally agree on or see as an universal value per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 02:51 AM
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Which is partly exactly why you shouldn’t give it out so liberally...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 12:25 AM
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Wait, is RP the belief that its not worth it? And not as in instead of marriage? Wouldn't that be black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 11:50 PM
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I agree. Well, I don't know if that is against RP per say, but I read much here that seems like non incel versions of the black pill, if that is part of RP I’m not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 11:44 PM
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Well, it matters a lot for me. Staying married in a happy relationship with the right man is clearly the goal, but everything else that happened before does not become fine to me just because someone achieves the end.
/r/RedPillWomen01/09/21 06:50 PM
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I don’t think she means it literally, but tha she emotionally felt like it was since he had a relationship with her without proper behaviour that makes it stay in one. Now, yes most people don’t stay in their first relationship, but I suppose many or most women here see that as their aim.
/r/RedPillWomen01/09/21 06:34 PM
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”During the relationship...” I doubt then he was the man of your dreams, and that doesn’t sound like commitment. But I know the feeling. The only relationship (in all sense of the word) I ever had, which was serious, commited, and lasted for a very long time, ended because he practically allowed his mother unacceptable behaviour towards me (well she behaved unacceptably to him as well) and couldn’t stand up for me. I felt worthless and like it was wasted, and from my perspective and values it is…
/r/RedPillWomen01/09/21 06:03 PM
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And economically I don’t find it weird. Actually being able to live a life according to this is much easier when there is somewhat of a welfare system and low qualified jobs actually pay somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:38 PM
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Tbh 1) some people I see on redpill are probably like the non incel version of blackpill, but 2) I refered to this concept of alpha f beta b or whatever where anything less than the actual Giga Chad is seen as beta and where LTR/marriage is almost seen as a failure for a man. What I mean is that looks is not neccesarily the same as Chad physical traits, because women prefer something in between. I think they man all sorts? And yes I can try to find it ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:25 PM
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This is actually funny because one thing that lead me to this is realising how shitty modern society has been for women. I disagree with 90% of other people who use that label for themselves, and I don’t call myself that, but if the meaning is that women are as disadvantage and wanting to change that then I do agree. Just my goals for it are probably the complete opposite as of that for many feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:22 PM
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Not per se at all, because some women only want relationships. (And if we want to go that route, even if it’s the ”provider” aspect of a LTR making someone chose less ”Chad” traits or whatever, studies show depending on that actually shapes what a woman considers attractive. Most women according to studies prefer a mixture of these visual/physical traits, but then in areas where there is a lot of disease women prefer more ”Chad” physical traits.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:10 PM
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That doesn’t mean they will be like minded, at all. Not in Scandinavia.
/r/RedPillWomen31/08/21 01:28 PM
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Run 😂... Pretty impossible. Tbh, guys are sometimes even offended by, well, self respect. Even if guys claim to have better values they are to deep down in it. I have given up on the idea of finding a scandinavian man.
/r/RedPillWomen31/08/21 12:57 PM
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I think as such: in a society that doesn’t value any masculinity will still not result in a complete lack of it because it is still natural for humans. What happens is that the good dissapears, the bad remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 07:42 AM
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Re homemaking: where I live it’s part of school curriculum and that made me think, maybe try find a book?
/r/RedPillWomen28/08/21 04:14 PM
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Tbh every time I am confused by inconsistency in arguments or ideology I remind myself of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 05:31 PM
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How absurd (regardless of opinions really) to make conclusions about society as a whole based on a weird interpretation of the situation in Afghanistan...? Second, submissive means respecting authority (which isn’t wrong per se either) but can be rephrased as being compliant and accommodating - a nice female virtue in my opinion. Even so, submission -in a marriage- is to an extent earned by a man showing that he is willing to, for example, protect a woman. All in all I feel like this is a false …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:42 AM
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Yeah but that seems to be quite an important factor. Older parents are usually from a better socioeconomic background. Naturally they would have healthier and smarter children. Doesn’t relate to actual benefits/disadvantages of having children at a certain age. In addition the way modern society is set up, it’s notoriously hard to successfully raise children at a young age. But again, doesn’t relate to what age we “actually” should have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:27 AM
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Might be subconscious? There is something called the ”Sexy son hypothesis”, in which women look for men who will produce sons with high reproductive success. From that perspective it makes a lot of sense actually. All anecdotal but: My short sister goes for very tall men (and seems to prioritise height above all, he might as well be a bean pole in built) whereas my taller mum married a man of equal height to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:16 AM
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That’s a bit the impression I get from this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 11:45 PM
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Wait, is playing computer games really a deal breaker for some...?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 11:36 PM
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