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skgoa/r/seduction04/09/12 06:35 PM
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I would never have thought of that, since most women seem to not like motorcycles. I guess I will have to try this date idea out sometime. What bike do you ride? Do you have extra gear for her? Do you tell her about your plan for the day or do you just surprise her? Have you ever run into a woman who will refuse to go on a motorcycle ride with you? Details, man!
/r/seduction28/07/18 05:14 PM
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Literally what went through my head when I read the question.
/r/seduction03/09/15 03:25 PM
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Why would it be a problem? You gotta stop worrying about whether you are allowed to be / worthy of being attractive.
/r/seduction03/06/15 08:47 PM
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With that being said the posts in TRP have gone really downhill, there's a lot of people that are still young trying to spout RP wisdom. You have seventeen year olds telling people how to run their lives. And 40 year olds trying to blame everything bad in their lives on their ex wifes.
/r/seduction01/06/15 03:08 PM
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I do it all the time when the manipulation starts -- it looks like shit tests at first. I don't have any patience for manipulative women. So much this. Shit tests are once thing but many women (especially young adults) completely overdo it to ridiculous levels. Manipulative women aren't going to become less manipulative once they get emotionally involved. There are lots of women out there who aren't manipulative and who would be more than happy with my company. I don't need to fuck any given wom…
/r/seduction01/06/15 03:00 PM
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It’s not ‘fake it til you make it’. Faking it IS making it. Or rather: confidence isn't the absence of fear. Confidence is the ability to know that something might suck but still doing it, because you have the confidence that no matter what's about to happen, in the grand scheme of things it won't be that bad. E.g. approaching a girl despite knowing that no matter how attractive you are, it's always way more likely than not that she will shoot you down. When you "fake confidence", you don't beha…
/r/seduction01/06/15 02:27 PM
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Take the oportunity and try to learn about the female point of view. Get her drunk and let her explain exactly what moistens her loins.
/r/seduction01/06/15 02:22 PM
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Two months can be a very long time and we don't know what crazy shit she is going to pull/lies she is going to tell after he has moved out.
/r/seduction01/06/15 02:21 PM
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Do NOT sleep with her. It is not worth it. One day you might be tempted, but you have to walk away. It's so totally worth it. Having sex on tap 10m away from you is honestly fucking amazing if you're BOTH genuinely, and I really mean genuinely because this is the trick to making it work with any casual arrangement and specially a casual arrangement with your flatmate, promiscuous in nature. This holds true if and only if she is a player herself. 9/10 people will not be able to keep feelings out …
/r/seduction01/06/15 02:20 PM
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When she asks you "why you did that", tell her the obvious thing. "Because you're cute", "Because you're hot", flatter her, tell her cute things about herself. I would react by going "shrug because I wanted to." Why do I need an excuse to kiss the girl I like, especially when she obviously likes me too? Don't get into the habit of always justifying yourself to people, OP. Don't even accept that premise. The two of you are grown adults, you are free to do the things you like to do.
/r/seduction22/05/15 09:01 AM
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Yeah, canned lines are crutches for those who a) have so bad social skills they literally don't know what to say or b) have massive confidence issues and would rather believe in a placebo that is "field tested" than saying whatever they want to say. Once you have are at least somewhat competent in that regard it's all about how you behave.
/r/seduction22/05/15 03:00 AM
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A means of communication isn't an invitation to fertilise her eggs. It's just an invitation to possibly communicate further at some unspecified point in the future. It means very very little.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:53 AM
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Nah, everyone has his own burdens to carry. It's all relative. Don't but yourself down because you don't have it worse. It's just an excuse to feel sorry for yourself and it reinforces your believe of being unable to make changes. You just need to reach that point where you say "fuck it, I'm not going to accept this state of being anymore, I'm going to suck it up and endure the pain of making changes!" And then you just try things and if you manage to not get demotivated by the first minor setba…
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:51 AM
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Haha, so much this. In a night game settings it's always so awkward and unnatural. Like a demented ballet you have to go through, even though everyone knows what the endgoal is.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:45 AM
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Yeah, that little thing alone turns you into the 1% of pick up. I have had men far more attractive than me come up to me and say that they would never have dared to be as forward as I had been just now.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:42 AM
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Then why don't more people do it? Because people would rather have the implied invitation of "everyone expects to meet people at the club" than having to go out on a limb in a non-standard setting, even though most people meet their eventual partners during the day.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:40 AM
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Also, the girl that shoots you down will be forgotten in 5 minutes, the one you didn't approach will be on your thoughts for 5 months.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:36 AM
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Yep, I would even go so far and say that it's crucial. Inexperienced guys always build up all this pressure in their heads that they have found "the one" and that they have to do everything perfectly because it's their only chance at being happy. Which is a really bad thing to do to yourself. You are setting yourself up for failure, because you have raised the stakes so high that you can't expect anything but failure and pain. You have to be comfortable at being sexual with girls and you won't u…
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:30 AM
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Biggest tip I can give you: Don't go looking for "miss right" 24/7. Treat every new acquaintance as if you don't care what the outcome is. (and better yet: genuinely don't care about whether or not you will actually end up hooking up with her.) Just talk, flirt, have fun. Be happy and enjoy flirting. Going into it with an outcome independent attitude and having fun will massively improve your game. Then it's only a question of approaching women and learning from how it went. You will be surprise…
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:23 AM
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Escalate during the date. Build tension throughout the date, don't let it be just two people talking about the weather. A kiss should follow naturally during the progression towards ever more physical intimacy. Pulling any stunts at the last minute is always very jarring.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:12 AM
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Yeah, 18yo boys tend to have no game or confidence at all. Actually, many older men don't either but those tend to not go out as much anyway, so you don't see it as often.
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:07 AM
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It depends. Social skills and inner game (i.e. confidence, knowing and expressing what you want, being funny-cocky, being sincere...) are what makes you attractive, so they are always going to work. Many specific methods will be more difficult to pull off the less experienced and less confident a girl is. Female sexuality is dominated by fear and insecurity, so aggressive physical escalation can be too much for a virgin girl. Talking about sex, which normally is one of the quickest ways to make …
/r/seduction22/05/15 02:05 AM
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It literally can't be easier than in college. Just talk to people in class, talk to people on the bus...
/r/seduction22/05/15 01:53 AM
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I call it "unhinging your brain": just say whatever comes into your mind. Most of it will be stupid at first, because you hold the false believe that you have to say something funny or clever. But over time you will realise that it's all about being able to express your feelings and opinions on a subject. The content of what you are saying isn't even that important, what counts is that talking to you is a great experience for her. It could help, if you make an effort to be observant and just bri…
/r/seduction22/05/15 01:48 AM
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On a side note, isn't there something innately immoral about "dating" multiple women at once? When evaluating the social norms you have acquired over the years, always ask why this should be the case. Quite often you will realise that there is no good reason and everyone just parrots what they think people expect them to say/think. The huge overwhelming majority of people's emotional/psychological hangups stem from trying to fit into roles that don't work in modern reality. The only issue I can …
/r/seduction22/05/15 01:25 AM
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However, being received this way every time would quickly have most girls feeling like that's all the guy wants her for. And when the woman likes exactly that, that's a good thing to do. My gf likes being manhandled a bit, so pushing her into the wall is a common occurence in our household.
/r/seduction22/01/15 09:29 AM
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Why should I take leadership? Because women find that attractive.
/r/seduction21/01/15 01:26 PM
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It might still hurt her and will make her feel at least some bad emotion. It might make her wish for someone exactly like him, instead of someone like you. It sets a negative tone for the conversation. It seems like you are asking for permission or trying to compare yourself to her last man. It implies that you carry baggage from a previous relationship and want to see whether she does as well. Honestly, why would you ever want to know about her ex? And don't ask her friends behind her back, tha…
/r/seduction21/01/15 12:47 PM
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As soon as I picked her up from the train station I offered her a few choices dependant on how far she wanted to walk, since her shoes were wet. Pro tip: prepare the different options and then just ask her whether she wants to walk far or not. Decide on one option based on that. If she doesn't like that, decide on the second best. You should take leadership.
/r/seduction21/01/15 12:40 PM
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Ideally, yes. But challenging a person's worldview isn't easy to do in a constructive way.
/r/seduction21/01/15 12:38 PM
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Yeah, good point.
/r/seduction21/01/15 12:30 PM
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I have found that lists of things you shouldn't do only tend to lower my confidence and increase my anxiety. If something feels right you should do it, assuming you have a basic level of social decorum. And there is some evidence that negative instructions only increase the chance of screwing up. Yeah, this is a really good and important point. The only "rules" you should go with a guidelines on how to be (i.e. be positive, try to connect) not what exactly to (not) say or do. You can't predict e…
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:37 AM
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You're forgetting the part where we don't have to date you if we don't want to, and only desperate men date anyone they can just for the sake of it. This an aspect I notice a lot when I read these this kind of "why aren't there any good men/women to date" stories. Without wanting to blame the "victim" unduly, it seems to always be the case that those who complain about how bad [gender_A] is at dating, holding a conversation etc. come across as exactly the kind of [gender_B] that is going to be v…
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:25 AM
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Yep and the best way for a man to act in this environment is to not play to those rules.
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:18 AM
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Well yeah, 99% of all people will be boring, stupid etc. for anyone who doesn't like that type of person. Just filter them out and don't waste your time on them. You have no obligation to flirt with them or make them happy.
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:17 AM
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Uhm, you might want to re-think your approach to women. This "court jester" mentality is an expression of neediness. You should not ever feel the need to solely entertain a woman. That's putting her on a pedestal. You should do cool things with her, not for her. But yeah, young women (roughly age 16-23) tend to be shitty little princesses. Don't even play into their shitty worldview. If she things prettying herself up for THREE FUCKING HOURS isn't completely demented but actually "doing her part…
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:15 AM
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EDIT 1: It is interesting to note that she speaks as if she has the authority to decide what is right and wrong on a date. These aren't suggestions, men are being reprimanded for acting wrongly. It doesn't matter if you, as a man, feel rewarded for doing these things. If women don't like something happening on a date, then it's wrong. Women are the arbiters of acceptable dating protocol. Your experience as a man isn't a consideration. And apparently she is the highest authority on what all women…
/r/seduction21/01/15 08:07 AM
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You get put into the friendzone by not being clear about your intentions from the beginning. Well, also because she might just not find you attractive at all but you weren't too annoying.
/r/seduction19/01/15 10:59 AM
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I don't know that anger is the 100% correct emotion you should feel, as it can easily lead into self-loathing, defeatism and depression. But OP is onto something: you need passion. And you need the clarity of mind/sheer willpower to refuse to accept the situation you are in right now. Because the changes you have to make regarding your life and yourself are fucking hard and it will take long before all that work and emotional harsship pays off. If it were easy, everyone would achieve it.
/r/seduction14/01/15 10:50 PM
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Then just don't tell them that much. Answer their questions and offer your own input but keep the conversation flowing. Avoid going on long-winded explanations, unless they explicitly ask for details. It's really not that difficult once you get someone good at it and you only get good by trying.
/r/seduction07/01/15 09:33 PM
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This should be true but unfortunately it isn't. Lots of people focus only on either inner or outer game. And then they wonder why they aren't making much progress... This sub itself has gone through strong straussian and mansonian phases, during which it became almost impossible to discuss the less favorited aspect. It has gotten better but the major consensus narrative is still very much on the mansonian side. E.g. OP mentioned the "feel good" posts that are so prevalent here.
/r/seduction07/01/15 03:27 PM
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Though younger/insecure women do actually take a long time to respond sometimes because they have been told they should do so. (To not seem needy.)
/r/seduction25/12/14 12:36 PM
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Not being ready to jump and respond instantly 24/7 is a good rule of thumb. But just constantly letting someone hang in the middle of a conversation for no other reason than to manipulate them into desiring you more is just stupid and childish. And it works against you, since you want to be the person they equate with fun and rapport. The worst that happens is she/he thinks your carefully filtering and testing potential partners. No, the worst that happens is that he/she thinks you are too much …
/r/seduction25/12/14 12:33 PM
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I once had a thing with a girl that would wait exactly the same amount of time to answer as I had taken. I don't know why she did it but it was quite jarring when I noticed.
/r/seduction25/12/14 12:27 PM
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Well, first and foremost I need to point out that you don't sticktly need to tell her anything. Flirting isn't about impressing her, it's about generating a sexy vibe. Talking about sex is fun, because it's a fun actvity. You might first want to try to find out what you like, what really turns you on. Then just talk about that. E.g. "you know I always wanted to have a woman ride me, have you ever done that?" Or you can ask her to describe her first time to you. Just ask questions about details, …
/r/seduction13/11/14 11:16 PM
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This. Women can be great friends. I have put lots of women in my friend zone and my life I better for it. It's only a problem when you are secretly pining for her. If that's the case, you shouldn't have much (or ideally any) contact with her until you have moved on.
/r/seduction12/11/14 10:54 AM
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Honestly you should have pulled the trigger far earlier but after the third date your window of opportunity had definitely closed. Women don't like to be strung along either an it seems obvious you weren't going to take things further any time soon. So she moved on emotionally.
/r/seduction12/11/14 10:48 AM
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Upvoted you to indicate amusement.
/r/seduction12/11/14 10:40 AM
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Yeah, funny thing about how the brain works: we learn incredibly quickly from even very few experiences. It probably seems very daunting to OP right now, because he has no experience at all but after a few attempts he will wonder what the fuss had been all about. The fear of feeling shitty for failing is the only thing keeping him back. No video or book is going to ever take away that fear. He will just have to try and fail, so that he sees how the world didn't end and how he didn't die of shame…
/r/seduction12/11/14 10:18 AM
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The Game actually demonstrates very well that having great social skills helps you in more ways than just getting laid and that life isn't only about how many notches you have on your bedpost. Love is awesome and most couples flirted at the beginning of their relationship, in fact most do so even when they have been together for years. I "seduce" my gf again and again, because it's fun and sexy. One-itis happens when you are pining for one girl and limit yourself, even though she doesn't recipro…
/r/seduction12/11/14 10:12 AM
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Apply kino directly to forehead! SCNR Escalation is one of the hardest parts of pick-up, especially kino. It's natural that you have issues with it. Humans value their personal space and you worrying about invading that shows that you are capable of empathy to your fellow human beings. The basic rule of kino is that women want to be touched by men they are attracted to and find men attractive who take charge, so you should always touch her as much as she wants. If you don't escalate when she wan…
/r/seduction12/11/14 09:31 AM
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Though to Tyler's credit he actually acknowledges that. He even flat-out said that reading about himself in Strauss' heped him see how bad he was. His older talks are pretty cringe-y but a couple of years ago he turned around and now RSD is mostly about self-improvement.
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:31 AM
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Selection bias. The only memorable average girls are the ones who have great personality. The only memorable girls with no personality are hot. And hot girls with great personality tend to not be in the market for hook-ups that much in the first place. My personal experience is that the happier someone is with their life/body/etc. the better their personality is. Many hot girls are still just as unhappy and/or insecure as everyone else. But they also get lots of easy attention and can be a bitch…
/r/seduction12/11/14 05:57 AM
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Why wouldn't you just talk about sex like it's the completely normal human behavior it is? Women like sex just as much as men do, probably even more so. If you are secure in your sexual abilities, why shy away from this topic? Especially so when she flat-out steers the conversation toward it. I can totally see why she lost attraction to you. Women want to sleep with men who are likely to be good in bed and won't judge them. What is she supposed to think about you, when you can't even talk about …
/r/seduction12/11/14 05:33 AM
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You'll be way happier when you have learned to live life to its fullest, though.
/r/seduction11/11/14 09:50 PM
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You pretty much listed the persona of a majority (not all) of gamers and people who work in IT, not to mention folk who are masters of their industry and do not know another world exists outside of their own. Oh god this. It's so fucking true. Even as a man it's literally the most annoying aspect of working in this field.
/r/seduction11/11/14 09:48 PM
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Thing is, you are never logical. Psychologists have found that a staggering percentage of decisions are taken subconsciously (I want to write 97% but honestly I can't remember) and we just find "logical" justifications for what we decided on. Even when you are applying pure logic to a math proof or a programming task, you take your choice of what rules to apply by intuition. And everyone, men and women alike, acts "logically" from their own subjective point if view. My personal experience is tha…
/r/seduction11/11/14 12:08 PM
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Surely you would want to see pictures of the women I slept with? Because a picture of me wouldn't prove a thing.
/r/seduction10/11/14 08:31 PM
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Nope, I'm german. I wouldn't call myself "ugly" either, just not physically attractive.
/r/seduction10/11/14 07:48 PM
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Along the sides of the breasts and the nipples is another important area. You can rub it even when the woman if fully clothed, unless the bra is too thick. It's a really innocent move that you can do basically anywhere without anyone noticing. But if you do it for a while she will be incredibly horny, especially so when you whisper into her ear all the naughty things you are goin to do to her. The lower belly and the area above the clitoris have strong connotations of vaginal stimulation. Pullin…
/r/seduction10/11/14 07:47 PM
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Yep, this. However those guys also don't tend to be the ones who seek help on the internet.
/r/seduction10/11/14 05:37 PM
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Honestly I'm surprised quite often that I succeed at all. I don't have a system, in fact my theoretical knowledge of pick-up is incredibly lacking. I picked up things here and there over the last 14 years and kind of build my own understanding. My basic thought process is pretty simple: I'm probably the least attractive person around -> there is no expectation of any success -> there is no pressure to perform. This allows me to approach all the hot women the other guys are too afraid of striking…
/r/seduction10/11/14 05:28 PM
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First and foremost, be a great person to spend time with. Be funny, be gregarious, don't be needy. Don't judge anyone, especially don't judge women for their sexuality. (The world "slut" doesn't exist in your vocabulary!) Be a positive (i.e. "shiny, happy people") person, have passion for something in your live and figure out how to communicate that. Then you need to be confident and/or drunk and/or stoned and/or stubborn enough to approach and flirt with anyone. Obviously you also need to learn…
/r/seduction10/11/14 04:53 PM
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Follow the PUA brick road and find out that you were attractive all along!
/r/seduction10/11/14 03:13 PM
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Yes, you can get out of the friend zone. I (inadvertenly) did it several times. But it's a long process: you basically have to move on and be successful with other women for a while. Then when she is between relationships, she might re-evaluate your attractiveness. This is what seems to have happened here as well. You are way more attractive now than you were before, so now aren't just labeled as "friend". My biggest "one-itis" ever ended up stalking me years after I had lost interest in her, be…
/r/seduction10/11/14 12:47 PM
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Yep, social skills are skills and many people in the world have these skills. You are only behaving in a way that any attractive person would behave. That it's not your natural tendency to behave this way is an internal (psychological) problem you should work on but it doesn't invalidate the attraction other people feel towards you when you behave correctly. All that really changed was that you aren't hiding your attractive qualities out insecurity. In fact the whole problem is your insecurities…
/r/seduction10/11/14 12:19 PM
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She said she was impressed because no guy, had ever been so direct or willing to put themselves out there This here is really important. Women know exactly how hard it is to approach someone, especially in public. Being confident enough to do it is very attractive.
/r/seduction10/11/14 12:15 PM
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The most obvious situation is when a guy tries to steal the girl you're talking to. If you try to stay in a "buyer mindset" or decide it "isn't worth your time," the only thing that'll happen is you'll lose the girl. You HAVE to take action here and engage the threat. Now, if guys are trying this on you often then it's likely your game is flawed and you're not escalating/leading/bouncing enough. Though still, you shouldn't actively try to compete with that guy for her attention, because that jus…
/r/seduction10/11/14 12:09 PM
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If they are older than 17 they are probably not going to beat you up. What is there to be afraid of? If you get shot down you get shot down and you'll forget her within minutes, that's way better than having her on your mind for hours, days, weeks...
/r/seduction10/11/14 11:49 AM
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Esp. it means that you don't have other options. You are desperate for her pussy. Women don't want men who are depserate for pussy, they want men who are drowning in pussy.
/r/seduction10/11/14 11:48 AM
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Honestly, everything other than just showing that you don't even acknowledge them as threatening to you is going to be bad for you. You don't eed to prove anything. You don't need to compete, you don't need to sabotage them. They aren't even in the same class as you, they don't matter at all.
/r/seduction10/11/14 11:46 AM
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The problem is that it's just a bs example to expain the Nash equilibrium.
/r/seduction10/11/14 11:45 AM
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And what person on the planet will feel bad when an attractive person flirts with them? Seriously.
/r/seduction10/11/14 11:44 AM
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I've been with many women and I've been in a great relationship for 2.5 years. The social skills I learned and the basic outlook I gained on what it means to be a grown man continue to be very valuable in every day life. I come here for the same reason I got into pick-up originally: society is lying about how attraction works. I had to go through lots of drama before I realized that. At some point I started to not even care about the sex, the unpredictability of it all was really hard to cope wi…
/r/seduction10/11/14 10:20 AM
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If you don't want to tell her that you aren't interested, you will have to just ignore her and flirt anyways. You don't owe her anything and if she wants to stay around you when you are clearly interested in someone else it's her problem, not yours. You have no obligation to make her happy. Yes, it's a bit rude but it's also your right. She is much more rude by being so clingy. Humans aren't things, you can't call dibs on someone.
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:47 AM
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You want hard mode? I mumble and have huge confidence issues around people, esp. women. I'm also fat (though that's getting better), I'm bad at sports, I don't know anything about music or celebrities, I wear glasses, I have a rash that leads to severe dandruff, I'm too poor for the coolest clothes/gadgets. On paper I should never get laid, ever. Yet I get more pussy in a year than an average man gets in his entire life. Because none of the above matters to women, if it doesn't matter to you. I …
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:36 AM
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I don't live in New York and I see attractive women alone all the time, too.
/r/seduction24/04/14 04:38 PM
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It's not just the testosterone. The mere fact that he will be more muscular (i.e. stronger and sexier) will do wonders for his confidence, as will the sense of accomplishment you get from being successful at something really hard. Confidence is key.
/r/seduction21/04/14 01:03 PM
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Eh, I was one of those "nice guys" who always apologize for everything. I had to learn the hard way that you can be assertive without being a collossal douche. OP's advise is very important for that kind of guy. It's not the right tip for you, because you probably don't over-apologize as it is - but that doesn't change the fact that for some people it's important.
/r/seduction14/04/14 07:24 AM
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Thing is, "nice guys" are dishonest. They are deceiving themselves and others. There is nothing wrong with being genuinely nice, lots of self-assured and confident people are genuinely nice. But being dishonestly "nice" for the sake of receiving a reward is always bad. It's unfortunate but the dishonest "nice guys" simply need to learn OP's lesson or they will forever bring misery to themselves and the people around them. Very often the underlying issue is that "nice guys" have low self esteem a…
/r/seduction03/12/13 06:58 PM
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For me, it's all based on one simple principle: try to maximize everyone's happiness. Most moral questions can actually be simplified to that. If it makes people happy, it's good and should be done. If it makes people unhappy, it's bad and should be avoided. I have found this to be a much better guideline than rigid rulesets, which most often turn out to be quite arbitrary. E.g. that it's immoral for men to be dominant when pursuing women. That sounds reasonable in theory (we like to see ourselv…
/r/seduction17/08/13 12:06 AM
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Yep, even if it's just a meaningless fuckbuddy thing. (edit: after the breakup.)
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:22 PM
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I think you are interpreting this too negatively. Keep in mind that they are telling TofuTofu what they rember that they enjoyed, not what they did in that situation. Everybody likes it when you remember stuff about them, because it implies that you care. But most important to these women was the way the guy behaved.
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:16 PM
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This. I can only offer more anecdotes but I have seen this happen so often, that I believe there is something going on here. Some (many?) women believe that men just want as much sex as possible and that it's our only motivation for talking to them. E.g. at least two of my co-eds each thought at some point that we were dating just because I was spending time with them. Funnyly enough many women also don't realize at all when they are being hit on. So I guess the number any given woman will give …
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:07 PM
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Even better yet, add a neg: find a reason to 'divorce' her.
/r/seduction12/08/13 05:28 PM
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I'ld just jokingly accuse her of being pretty full of herself, if she thinks every man who is going after her must be a total womanizer.
/r/seduction06/08/13 05:44 AM
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I knew that half if I had the chance to talk with even half these women in person that I would have a better chance. This is the reason why I'm hesitant to try dating sites, clubs or other more "traditional" dating and just daygame in college. I'm not going to jump through hoops just for the faint chance that I'm not instantly disqualified for any number of ridiculous reasons.
/r/seduction04/08/13 08:27 PM
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I have to wonder whether you are even going to get to 1000 rejections without massively improving. I.e. by the time you have failed 1000 times, you will also have a pretty good idea why you failed and how to succeed. It's the hardest when you just started out and have no idea what you are doing. It will only get easier.
/r/seduction04/08/13 08:18 PM
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Quality girls know better than to have sex right away. I agree with everything but this. It's absolutely not true. "Quality" (what a stupid notion in and of itself) girls are grownups and know that they can have sex with whomever they want to have sex with. If both of you are "quality", sex at the first opportunity is the right choice. Quite frankly, if I was with a girl that clearly wanted to fuck but refused to claiming any variation of "it's not right to do it straight away" - without it bein…
/r/seduction05/07/13 11:52 AM
3

It is. Seems like straight out of a guide from ten years ago.
/r/seduction04/07/13 04:07 AM
0

Yeah, in my experience showing interest is one of the most important things to do throughout all social interactions. I guess the OP is warning people against coming on too strong or looking desperate.
/r/seduction04/07/13 04:05 AM
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Yeah, the important difference is that if you look at it as a motivator to get better, it's more likely that you will actually do something to get better. OP on the other hand is just throwing his hands up in the air and saying "it's not as easy as I wish it was, so I'm going to throw a tantrum to feel better about myself." If something makes you feel bad or angry or whatever, take a moment to think about what kind of thinking and behaviour actually helps you and what only costs energy. Hint: co…
/r/seduction03/07/13 12:09 PM
1

Yeah, if she is into you, she will jump at any chance to escalate. Think about it: if she wants you, then that means that she wants it to happen just as much as you do. No need to somehow trick her away from her friends.
/r/seduction02/07/13 04:22 PM
1

You will get your chance eventually Sounds like the perfect plan if you want to get into the friendzone.
/r/seduction02/07/13 04:19 PM
1

I'm currently reading What every body is saying. It's a book on bodylanguage by an (ex?) FBI agent who seems to be one of the leading experts in the field. The two main I took from it thus far are: A huge part of human behaviour (especially how we react to outside stimuli) is governed by primal instincts that evolved back when we didn't even have language but are hardwired in our brain to this day. You shouldn't just take what people consciously do and say(!) at face value. Instead you should th…
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:53 PM
2

It seems to be a great all around from-first-steps-to-endgoal guide. Though I haven't finished it yet, due to the extremely verbose writing style. Seriously, it reads like he was on speed when he wrote it. Many guides on the internet and especially many FRs here have the same problem. But I get that it's not written for me. I only need the little factual bits and pieces, since I have an understanding of the theory and I already have ample experience to understand the message. I'ld say this is a …
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:36 PM
1

Smiling is incredibly powerful. Shiny happy people are much more attractive than anything else. Learn to have a "shit-eating grin" on your face all the time. (You will also feel happy, for some weird psychological reason.)
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:28 PM
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Ok, first: Whatsapp, Facebook chat etc. fuck up from time to time. So there is nothing that says that she didn't just not see the message for a couple of hours. Having said that, your bigger issue imho is that you are putting too much thought into this. Five (5!) hours to answer a text message is practically nothing. Do you expect her to have absolutely nothing in her life? She might not have looked at her phone or she might have had something to do before she took the time to answer. Or she saw…
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:26 PM
1

Ice skating is AWESOME as a date. You can touch, you have fun, you can talk throughout. Assuming that like most girls she has at least some amount of gracefullness, you can easily admire her ability genuinely, and thus raise her energy without putting her on a pedestal. You can go off to the side and have an alcoholic drink. (At least here in Germany.) If it's outside, go in the evening, since nighttime somehow makes it romantic by default. Really, I can't stress it enough: it's a great venue fo…
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:16 PM
2

0/10 obvious troll is obvious.
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:00 PM
3

Of course. This is Social Skills 101: always do what is appropriate to the situation at hand. There are no hard rules, you will always have to decide on the spot.
/r/seduction02/07/13 02:58 PM
1

DAMN. :D and I can't edit that now... :/
/r/TheRedPill28/06/13 10:33 AM
1

Damn! You got me...
/r/seduction27/06/13 09:44 PM
3

I was refering to the "your argument is invalid" meme. It was stupid and immature, sorry.
/r/seduction27/06/13 09:43 PM
1

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I know that education is more about learning how to think and how to solve problems than any specific fact you might pick up on the way. But getting into huge debt to get an education in a non-practical field will never ever pay itself back. I can't understand how so many people can be so incredibly selfdestructive.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/13 05:13 PM
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The only sane comment in this entire thread and it's right at the bottom...
/r/TheRedPill27/06/13 05:06 PM
1

Yeah, I ride my bike a lot and thus I have to wear jeans one or two sizes to big just to be comfortable.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/13 03:19 PM
1

You are making excuses, though. I don't want to become mysogynistic myself. But once I realised that women are people, I found I could accept easily that they are looking for someone to fuck just as much as men are. Any other way of looking at it would be incredibly disrespectful. It's not like raising your attractiveness through improved bodylanguage, way of talking, fashion etc. somehow forces women to fuck you even though they don't want to. One of the most important social skill you will hav…
/r/seduction27/06/13 03:11 PM
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But doesn't EVERYONE do that if they meet someone? Then where does the distinction come in? No, most guys are extremely afraid of approaching women. And when they do, they try to hide their intent in order to not be rejected immediately.
/r/seduction27/06/13 02:46 PM
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I'm having sex, your argument is invalid.
/r/seduction27/06/13 02:41 PM
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I'm german, so I believe I can offer an outsider's perspective: the american system of higher education seems pretty crazy to us. It seems like people are just getting any degree from a shitty local collegue, even if it doesn't qualify them for anything at all. Having a university degree is great, yes. But only if it's actually a worthwile program and gives you more than a piece of paper that isn't worth shit in the real world. It seems that a huge portion of youn adults are spending obscene amo…
/r/TheRedPill27/06/13 01:32 PM
2

Yeah, amen to that.
/r/TheRedPill26/06/13 11:47 PM
0

I hope you do realise that when someone says "I don't want to have sex tonight", feels violated after being fucked anyways and later (after asking friends for help) starts to push their 'partner' away to enforce their wish, those are pretty obvious signs of that person consenting.
/r/TheRedPill26/06/13 11:35 PM
2

It's actually quite logical. Sexuality evolved long before speech &c. so it's entirely governed by the subconscious/primal part of the brain. The basic wiring of that part of the brain hasn't changed since time immemorial: The most dominant male is the best mate. Females who validate male dominance are more likely to be mated with than females who react badly to it. => Females very much crave to be dominated.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/13 05:03 PM
1

I'd say a lot of what I say to girls these days could be considered insulting, or just outlandish and atypical, but they all eat it up. This is important insight. I have been told by other men that they don't know how I can get away with how far I go, they would never dare do that - yeah, uhm, that's kinda the whole point. Be cocky and somewhat socially aware and there is not much women won't be willing to have you do to them.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/13 04:54 PM
1

After skimming several of the stories, it seems none of them are remotely likely to be real.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/13 10:15 AM
1

If not already, it's very likely that she will soon. Something is seriously wrong in that relationship. What should have happened is that his gf should have wanted him to fuck the other woman. Instead, she doesn't seem to see him as a sexual being at all.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/13 10:06 AM
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I have two problems with that post: you suppose that men generally (try to) act according to logic and the way you phrased it implies a value judgement. The prevalence of White Knights and other BluePillers alone should be ample proof that man are just as capable of putting emotions over logic. If we are going to claim a moral and logical superiority to SRS, we should try to stay with putting forth claims and arguments that we can support with facts. Because that's how you win over the hearts an…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/13 08:36 AM
1

As somehow who was raised by a single mother, I kinda have to point out that NASMALT and NAKOSMALT.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/13 08:42 PM
1

Those women are quite definitely out there! The problem is that many of those who aren't that quality get away with too much asshatery.
/r/becomeaman14/06/13 01:52 AM
15

Yes but only from my bisexual or lesbian friends. Turns out you gotta have practical experience in whatever the fuck you are talking about, who knew. They also were refreshingly open and frank about female sexuality, while all non-carpetmunching women seem to be in this giant conspiracy to deny that a female being could ever desire anything but the blandest of softcore lovemaking.
/r/TheRedPill13/06/13 05:39 PM
1

Wow, this sounds way different from what I expected. Ask her to go out, have great time and then just tell her that you want her. If she says that she wants you but is afraid of losing you, ask her if she really believes that you are going to have much time to spare for her when you are involved with someone else. Because frankly, if she isn't going to commit to the two of you, that is exactly what will happen sooner or later. Maybe you could tell her that you are thinking about going steady wit…
/r/seduction13/06/13 02:33 PM
1

What he means is (probably) that you should force a frame (of mind) in which you have an abundance of options beside her. Reframe it from you pursuing her to her having to come up with good reasons to have you even spend time with her. (Don't say that literally, though.) It also forces her to ponder why you would say this now and why you aren't attracted to her. Most women will value a man who isn't chasing them much higher than one who is. It seems nonsensical but it is how it is.
/r/seduction13/06/13 02:21 PM
1

It's an IOI. Almost always when someone shows interest in your relationship to other people of the same gender, it's because they want to know whether they have a chance. She simply wouldn't care, if she didn't care. Yes, even when they themselves don't know it conciously, yet. Doesn't mean she wants to be your gf but it means that the very notion of that happening is a possibility for her. Nothing more, nothing less. But the best advice has been given already: don't dwell on it. Don't give so m…
/r/seduction16/05/13 01:45 PM
1

Lose ~20 kg of the fat I carry around with me. That would put me right were I should be for my size. (i.e. not overweight) Do fitness training or some other sport every day. I don't really care about muscle gain here (although that will be highly appreciated) but I rather want to focus on attaining an active and healthy lifestyle. Learn photography, guitar, keyboard to a point were I would be ok to show my work of to strangers. More for the "I can make nice pictures/sounds" factor, not the bragg…
/r/seduction16/05/13 01:36 PM
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Upvoted. When I joined reddit over a year ago, I was one of the strongest proponents of "inner game", purely because I had no outer game to speak of bt still got great results through attitude alone. But even though my views on pick-up have not changed that much, I'm now way more on the "outer" side. It seems like most answers that newbies get here nowadays are feel-good mottos that don't help or educate at all. If you are unhappy and want to improve your life: improve your inner game. If you wa…
/r/seduction16/05/13 01:16 PM
1

Yeah, condoms used to be a horrible experience for me, too. It hurt, I couldn't stay hard... at some point I would just start to lose my erection the moment the condom was on. My best advice is to order "My Size" brand condoms on the internet. They don't just have the normal letter-based sizes, they let you enter your meassurements and will recommend the right size for you.
/r/seduction16/05/13 12:36 PM
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Yeah. And most times it's not even concrete advice you could put into practice. Generic fortune cookie wisdom doesn't help anyone.
/r/seduction16/05/13 12:14 PM
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Ok OP, we need to tread lightly here, since everyone is different and every inter-personal situation is different. But a couple of thought I have on the matter: You should realise that not everyone is ready to have sex just like that. Especially women often need a while to really trust you. She likes you but you haven't proven to her that you are a good and dependable mate. Also, sex isn't something a woman "gives up" to the man. It's a mutual expression of desire, trust, admiration &c. - maybe …
/r/seduction23/04/13 04:06 PM
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If it's necessary, you can always just order her to strip her underwear off for you. Women want to feel sexy and unless they are very insecure, they will comply.
/r/seduction23/04/13 08:19 AM
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You either tell me what the fucking problem is or I'm just going to be confused. Not trying to put you down but am I correct in assuming that you didn't have a significant number of significantly long relationships with women? It's incredibly easy to say that talking it out will make everything better - and by all means open and honest communication is extremely important in a relationship - but in Real Life(tm) it's never as easy as we wish. Actions speak much louder than words and if you accep…
/r/seduction20/04/13 10:48 AM
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I forgot the term for this but basicly people are much more likely to open up to you, when they have seen you before. And this works especially well, when you had a positive interaction, no matter how insignificant. This is an important factor in sales. (and customer servic) "Warming up" a lead before going for the sales pitch will significantly increase the chance of closing the deal. In the business world, we often phone ahead before sending a proposal, even though it serves no practical purpo…
/r/seduction04/04/13 03:31 PM
2

Like everything else in life, context matters. How aggressive you should be, and how final a "no" is, depends entirely on you, her, and the situation (your society, age, relationship to each other...) you are in.
/r/seduction04/04/13 03:25 PM
2

Don't bother with #3 or #4, you'll just cause yourself grief. Yeah, those two will be jealous. I have seen it lots of times with different AFC friends: they will cockblock you, they will ruin the mood, they will call dibs on women you like just so you don't get them. If you can help them succeed, good. But don't expect them to have your back. Even if they wanted to, from the way you describe it, it seems obvious they couldn't help you anyways. 1, #2, and #5 all have their pros and cons, I'ld eve…
/r/seduction04/04/13 03:15 PM
2

I was 14 or 15 when I 'acquired' pickup material for the first time via Kazaa or emule or something like that. (I.e. over 10 years ago.) It was Ross Jeffrey's dreadful NLP bullshit. I thought "this is never going to work", and discarded it. I also found David deAngelo's Double your Dating amongst other such material but never really paid much attention to it, since I had already concluded that all seduction manuals were scams. Much later (i.e. I believe 3 or 4 years ago) I bought The Game by mis…
/r/seduction03/04/13 10:03 AM
1

You have to build momentum and keep it up or you are going to lose no matter how good your early game was. (PUA: Escalate, stupid! DotA: Don't let that carry freefarm!) You need to pick your gameplan/strategy arccording to your strengths, what you learn of the other side as time goes on and how the game progresses. You must be ready to change your strategy and pick something else if the situation changes. (PUA: Calibrate to her. Dota: Pick/ban stage.) No matter how good you are, sometimes that m…
/r/seduction03/04/13 08:32 AM
2

But why do you aim to pull women who don't fit you? You'ld be much much happier by just accepting who you are and going after women who are more like you. Nightclubs aren't the only place to meet women. If you don't enjoy going out every night, you will not be happy going out every night. And if you are trying to be with a partner who really likes to go out, the two of you are going to have a bad time. I'm introvert, too. Yet I have a stunningly attractive girlfriend, who is just as perverted an…
/r/seduction18/03/13 03:19 PM
1

I have met virgins who were practically asexual. But my current girlfriend was a virgin and is the most perverted person I know. So obviously there is a huge spectrum and a huge number of reasons why some people did not have sex, yet. Generalizations are difficult because naturally how receptive they are to physical interactions depends mostly on those factors. One thing I can tell you though is that many things you would normally take for granted just aren't a given. E.g. it being ok to stick y…
/r/seduction05/02/13 02:35 AM
1

How about "Hey, this might sound a little weird but I want to make sure we don't have any embarassing misunderstandings: have you been with a guy before me?* Either is fine by me, just be honest with me please." ? Yeah, could be phrased better. But my point is that we invented language for a reason. It's only creepy if you obsess about it and make it creepy. Note: this assumes you two have enough rapport and comfort for you to ask about her sexuality. But then again, you have no business thinkin…
/r/seduction05/02/13 02:16 AM
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"That's ok." Just don't give a fuck. If you like that person as a person, just stay friendly with her and be, you know, a friend. If you only like her because of her vagina, move on. That is, when it's a true "no" as in "not interested." When you think she wasn't shooting you down but just couldn't or wouldn't accept your invitation for some any number of reasons, just remember to not be needy and to not give a fuck. You might get another chance later. When you truely aren't hurt by a rejection,…
/r/seduction05/02/13 02:07 AM
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It's pretty simple, really: Don't just accept her premise and defend yourself against that. Instead, treat it as something that was said in jest. Then she will have failed to make you give up your frame. Instead, she will have to give up hers. E.g. she says: "oh, you must be a playa!" Now, failing the shittest would be defending yourself by saying something like: "what? no! I'ld never... why would you even think that? do I seem like a playa? am I a creep?" While passing it would be saying someth…
/r/seduction24/01/13 10:18 AM
2

You should always think on paper. (Or computer, nowadays.) It makes you much more efficient in formulating your thoughts and it makes sure that you don't go over the same minute thing again and again.
/r/seduction24/01/13 10:04 AM
1

Everyone who wants to make a comment that is a variation on "the brain isn't a muscle" should google the word "metaphora" first.
/r/seduction24/01/13 10:02 AM
2

So, you have made your mind up then? Nothing you could learn here could ever help you be what you want to become? Because your self-aggrandizing rant is just that, a rant against things you don't even begin to understand but that you feel superior to. I that little bit of smugness is what you want, congratulations. Because all those things you would rather be than learning from seddit are exactly what seddit is all about. Which you might have noticed, had you not started of by judging yourself s…
/r/seduction24/01/13 09:42 AM
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If it's allowed in your region and you have the money, there is a shortcut: pay a prostitute. If that isn't an option, you might have an easier time getting into a sexual frame by: not masturbating (this will make you horny as fuck sooner or later) getting drunk (lowering your inhibitions) doing something that is physically exerting (addrenaline, high blood pressure etc.) going to a sexually charged location So, go dancing with your date. After a couple of drinks, grind your nether region onto h…
/r/seduction23/01/13 10:52 PM
2

Negs work great because they are a challange for the girl. They demonstrate that you won't bow to her just because she has a vagina, as 99% of men would. Obviously this also means that they only work when she wants you to like her, i.e. just hurting her will be counter-productive. I think that's were most people go wrong. Negs aren't insults and negs aren't supposed to make the girl feel bad and insecure. Women do negs all the fucking time, we just call them shit-tests. But functionally they are…
/r/seduction14/01/13 02:54 PM
1

What's more interesting to me: Darwin said something about dating? Where can I learn more about this?
/r/seduction13/01/13 08:01 PM
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Boyfriend thing. Bitch shield, shit test, hell, some even say it by reflex. I have had a girl say this (edit: that she had a bf) to someone else who was making a comment suggesting there was something going on between her and me. Girls will also throw around the boyfriend line in normal conversations just because they don't want to look like someone who can't get a someone to like them. I don't ask about boyfriends, I actually don't give a shit about that word anymore. She will say what she want…
/r/seduction12/01/13 06:53 PM
1

Exactly. I know a lot of guys who will go on and on about minor technical details. They don't realise that nobody else cares. And THAT is the problem with nerds. It demonstrate a failure to be aware of social norms. It's "strange". And thus it's also precisely what drives women away. By all means, be passionate about what you like. But for god's sake, know that most people will either not care about or even not understand the ins and outs of whatever it is.
/r/seduction07/01/13 09:19 PM
3

Value always lies in value matrix of the recipient. To most women, computer/tech stuff is something that only unsociable nerds/geeks/creepers/et.al. are passionate about. And quite frankly, as a computer scientist I know a lot of people who fit right into that stereotype. So what you have to achieve is framing your passion in such a way that it isn't geeky. When asked about computer science, I like to bring up cool stuff like e.g. self-driving cars or space rockets. Most people will not find coo…
/r/seduction04/01/13 11:40 PM
1

There are people who talk a lot. Those people also often text a lot. What's important is whether you are answering immediatly all the time. As Tenmagnet wrote, answer only when you feel like it. You don't need to be available all the time. And you don't want to be, you want to be a scarce ressource. Sometimes you just have to let them write 10 messages and then e.g. just answer with a single short sentence.
/r/seduction04/01/13 11:28 PM
2

Cuba Libre. NO sugar. I also like White Russian.
/r/seduction04/01/13 11:24 PM
1

Realising that the boring standard Hollywood romance stuff is boring - and figuring out something better - is your first challenge on the way to great dates. Almost nobody in real life wants to go on a dinner+movie date with someone they are interessted in. Instead, you have to have some fun activity in your life that the other person can tag along to. If you absolutely had to go outside and do something fun, what would it be? Chances are, she will have fun, too. Of course that depends on the wo…
/r/seduction04/01/13 11:22 PM
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This. Every woman who has shown true and lasting interest in me has also answered ASAP and helped keeping the conversation alive. If she ignores you and you pressure on further, you are going to have a bad time.
/r/seduction02/01/13 10:53 AM
2

Im 18 years old and I think im to young to meet new people at cafes or in shopping centers. This is a limiting believe. As you wrote 100% correctly, you only think your age matters. It does not actually matter. The hurdles you see in front of you have been erected by yourself alone. They only exist as long as you believe in them. Man, that reads rather new-agey... but all I want to say is this: there are millions of 18 year olds in the world who are meeting and fucking. There is nothing special …
/r/seduction31/12/12 08:40 PM
1

+1 To directly quote my current GF: "I'm not going to spend my time with someone who doesn't want to fuck me." She, like many other women out there, is incredibly oblivious to all the "nice guys" around her who are desperate to fuck her. I was the one who came into the group, made it clear that I wasn't afraid of the half dozen AFCs hovering around her, and (figuratively) swept her of her feet. She was DTF literally minutes after that approach. I just had to enjoy myself and get to know her. Onc…
/r/seduction31/12/12 08:30 PM
2

In my experience, all of the above is effective. And smiling more/a lot helps, too. It's a subconcsious thing.
/r/seduction31/12/12 08:07 PM
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I had the same problem as you. No actually, I was much worse. I used to take anti-depressants before going out. (And I didn't go out very often, anyways.) I absolutely had to get drunk to get out of my shell. I was diagnosed with severe social phobias. You know what the one thing is that actually helps? Not believing that you need a crutch. As soons as you let go of your fear, that very notion seems ridiculous to you. Yes, it's fucking hard to put your self-worth on the line but you have to real…
/r/seduction31/12/12 07:59 PM
3

Other than the theory about the free passes you were just asking them a series of questions. This is a very important titbit. Meeting someone new is NOT A JOB INTERVIEW. It is only ~1% about the exchange of information. It is about connecting and getting a "feeling" about what kind of person you are dealing with. OP's conversations (other than the last one) came off to me as incredibly forced and boring. They don't make you want to engage with him. Sorry but that's what I would have felt if some…
/r/seduction31/12/12 10:53 AM
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Then you are doing it wrong. Yeah, that's not a great thing to hear in and of itself but you are probably sending signals that demonstrate creepyness. I'ld bet you are way too nervous when you approach. Your best option is to just talk to people untill talking to people is no big deal. Then you will know what to say and how to move, simply by experience.
/r/seduction31/12/12 02:25 AM
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You don't want to be to needy. The "relationship talk" most often happens after you've had sex several times. You have to give her (and yourself!) some time to decide whether it was just hormones or genuine attraction to the person. The best moment will be different for every encounter but you should at least have gotten some kind romantic vibe from her. She might even be the one to breach the topic. But you will at some point have to commit without being 100% sure that she loves you, too. Someo…
/r/seduction24/12/12 03:30 PM
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Yeah, OP seems to take sex way too seriously. Women don't think "ok, I have a choice between fucking him or being madly in love with him and taking things slow" What they (and practically any grow up) do is that they will let things progress and if you are seeing(and fucking) each other regularly, you will at some point commit to the relationship. Or not. But the point is that putting sex on a pedestal as something special that shouldn't be done before you are 100% sure it's the right person is …
/r/seduction24/12/12 03:19 PM
13

This. I would understand if someone thought that it's bad to "sleep around" on principle. I don't agree with that sentiment but I realise that there are a lot of people who make a big deal out of sex and that many religions/societies/cultures are against promiscuity. But then you have to apply that rule to everyone, not just the woman. You were attracted to her, weren't you? And you know how attraction works and thus could easily have stopped anything from happening. Yet you didn't. So why would…
/r/seduction15/12/12 09:51 AM
3

Thanks. I'm not a native speaker.
/r/seduction10/12/12 09:18 AM
38

Yes! When you get rejected, it's over. It's final. You move on (almost) instantly. But when you don't approach, that one girl will be stuck in your head for months... Really, the worst thing that can happen is that you talked to someone for a few minutes and the two of you learned that there is no mutual attraction.
/r/seduction09/12/12 03:08 PM
2

When in doubt: escalate. I.e. try to push it to the next level. As far as it takes for her to stop your advances. Back off a bit, build attraction/rapport/comfort/etc. and then escalate again. Repeat untill orgasm.
/r/seduction09/12/12 03:03 PM
1

The best way? Approaching and talking. ;) Germans typically are very reserved towards strangers (in relation to Americans, at least) but almost nobody would mind being talked to. Especially since you're a guest. I guess you are not older than 30? Just go to bars etc. or ask your collegues for hints. Overall, the differences in the way we flirt seem to be stemming from the general differences in culture. E.g. there is much less "slut shame", hooking up on the first night is not as big a deal as i…
/r/seduction08/12/12 07:43 PM
2

I'm 25 and I only call (or skype) my parents. Everything else is text only.
/r/seduction07/12/12 10:15 AM
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The section on Germany was almost entirely bullshit. Germans aren't subtle AT ALL. We are incredibly frank and open. but the huge majority of us have no game and those that have some rudimentary game often are trapped in the "I need to be a hardass alpha dude" mentality. This results in many inter-gender conversations being not all that flirty. Which might be the reason why people from more subtext-happy cultures might believe that there has to be something going on that is very subtle, when in …
/r/seduction05/12/12 09:27 PM
2

Oh, okay then. :D
/r/seduction05/12/12 10:02 AM
3

You make good points but still I have to completely disagree with you. And that's because I have seen the kind of "nice guy" that you call a nonexistent Straw Man. I have met several now and they invariably have left me with nothing but disgust and pitty. They are exactly like IWasMeButNowHesGone described. Now, that doesn't mean that all nice and insecure men (and women BTW) are like this. Most of them actually aren't. You even have a point in that we shouldn't build up an institutionalized hat…
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:25 PM
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But they are making the biologically right/logical "descission". Why? Because these men can still have qualities that would be of great benefit to their offspring. E.g. they might be very dominant or they might be very fit/muscular. It might have started as an adventure but the (hard/rough) sex was so good that she is staying with him, convinced that he would never harm her. I would bet you would fuck a convicted murderer woman, if only she were a hot [enter type you prefer here]. Trying to forc…
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:11 PM
2

This is how I understood it as well. You can be what "conventional wisdom" would identify as cocky, at times, but you have to be humourous about it. In a "I dare to break the rules of polite conduct, but I mean no offense to you and actually am a positive influence on everyone I meet" kind of way. Not in a "I'm a complete asshat who doesn't understand or care that nobody thinks he is as cool/funny as he thinks he is" kind of way. Because you know what? The former type of person can get away with…
/r/seduction04/12/12 09:54 PM
1

Just telling whomever I am with at the time about the girl does the trick for me. Because then I can tell myself "ok, now you HAVE to do it." As with the money trick, the descission is final and has nothing to do with the girl. As it should be.
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:33 AM
1

As a college student, I have a bad opinion about people in their late teens/early twenties and a great opinion about the older crowd. (And they definitely do exist on campus.) The same seems to be true for most women. I'm 25 and I get quite a bit of 'automatic' status by being older, being more experienced and quite simply knowing a lot more than the kids who were in middle school when I enrolled in my university. And that's extremely sexy to women, especially younger ones.
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:25 AM
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Why not just hang out with the college crowd? I assume you feel you wouldn't fit in or you are afraid that they might judge you as less intelligent. But most people really don't have a bad image of you, when you are passionate about what you do.
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:19 AM
1

There gotta be a great story behind this! :D
/r/seduction04/12/12 10:15 AM
1

The more you hype yourself up, the more important success becomes to you. This leads directly to not wanting to mess it up. You then proceed to not actually doing anything at all, since you are much too afraid of messing up. You need to learn to Not Give A Fuck and just do it. Once you have approached often enough, it won't be anything special to you and you won't choke up anymore. And the girl wasn't into you. It happens. You didn't offend her, so that was a net positive interaction.
/r/seduction03/12/12 01:07 PM
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Yeah, that's the difference between someone casually putting his car keys (with a Porsche logo on them) on the table and a guy telling every girl he meets "I have a Porsche, aren't I cool? you wann have a ride in my shiny new Porsche that I own because I'm cool?"
/r/seduction23/11/12 03:06 PM
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So... daygame? You DO leave your home at some point, don't you? And you go to places that have people there? Then you have every opportunity you will ever need. Going to your local mall to do "newbie missions" is something any beginner should do anyways, IMHO. Don't make it even harder by taking your first steps in a loud and confusing environment. Nightgame is effective for most puas 1) because these sort of venues are meant for meeting potential partners and having fun and 2) because everyone …
/r/seduction20/11/12 04:41 PM
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Yeah, that sounds like she rejected you politely. Sorry. When someone is attracted, they will find the time/energy to make a date happen. If she gives no indication that she is interested at all, then she probably isn't interested. (at all)
/r/seduction20/11/12 04:28 PM
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While reading that comment, I kept being puzzled by how it could be upvoted so much. Then I reached the end. Upvote'd!
/r/seduction20/11/12 03:48 PM
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Personal experience suggests it's a good idea. Not as the first thing you do of course but it's definitely something you should be doing much sooner than you (probably) think.
/r/seduction13/11/12 11:05 PM
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Since saying "hi", teasing and pre-selection have already been mentioned, I'm gonna go with: touch them! Touch them early, touch them often! Hold their hands, touch their chin (think Humphrey Bogart ;) ) Touch their breast! Be forward!
/r/seduction13/11/12 04:30 PM
1

Mastering this could be extremely helpful in college and business.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:31 PM
1

Ice or inline skating.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:19 PM
1

Man, CurveBall, you are on a roll today!
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:11 PM
1

Escalating when given a MASSIVE "seduce me, please" from the girl would be a good start. She wouldn't even have noticed her friend missing, had you ensured yourself her complete attention.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:06 PM
1

She will not only adopt yours, she will crave the way you make her feel good. This is pure giving value instead of taking it. IMHO one of the core principles of goos Game.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:03 PM
1

A woman with self-esteem issues will NOT take this in good humour. You are mocking her and will seem like an ass.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:02 PM
1

Yeah, being new is no shame. It's like being a guest, people are very open to helping you and including you.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:00 PM
1

There is a huge array of fun stuff a pre-21 girl can legally do, even in 'Murrica. Why would you even go to a club on a date? IMHO it's much to loud in such an environment, when what you really want to do on a date is communicating and connecting.
/r/seduction25/10/12 12:56 PM
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I would guess: up and down, repeatedly.
/r/seduction24/10/12 11:41 PM
1

Thing is: you don't actually NEED this to happen. What you need is to have the your bad self-image to go away. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are slimer or more muscular than you are. You will have to accept at some point that it really doesn't matter all that much. Trying to improve yourself is a very good thing and losing excess fat does help your game a bit. But since I seem to have more or less the same bodyshape as you I can confidently say that you can be very successful wi…
/r/seduction24/10/12 11:36 PM
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I don't mean to be argumentative but most probably these women were around you and available for conversations all along, you just a) didn't project interesting qualities and/or b) didn't pay attention, since you subconsciously discounted the possibility of getting possitive feedback from them.
/r/seduction24/10/12 03:09 PM
1

Yeah, indirect is a guaranteed total crash&burn for me. IMHO it's because I just don't believe in it myself (flying under the radar? ninja-ing myself into her pants? fuck that!) and thus I'm all over the place when I try.
/r/seduction24/10/12 03:03 PM
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There is just no other way than expanding your limits by experience. Most of us were told the exact same things and you just have to realize, nay internalize, that it's just hogwash. Sexuallity and sexual talking/touching is something almost every human being out of puberty should be enjoying and should be good at. Of course this is easy for me to say, having already made the journey. But even though overcome one's own inhibitions and upbringing is the hardest thing you can ever do in life, I gu…
/r/seduction16/10/12 12:09 PM
1

The best advice I can honestly give you is to stop thinking aboutit and just doing it. Seriously, your instincts know exactly what needs to be done in order to mate. If you feel too self-conscious, escalate your way up. Exchange pecks on the cheek, then go for the lip, then open up your lips a bit... just relax, let it happen and enjoy yourself!
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:59 AM
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Actually, if you are honest and upfront - i.e. not pretending you are a playa - most people will be willing to overlook almost any flaw imaginable. And since they remember their first time, they most probably will be gentle and understanding. Remember: it's only a negative if YOU have make a problem out of it.
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:57 AM
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A couple of years ago I read what amounts to an FR from an austrian guy. In a single day he approached 100 women with the line "hello, would you like to have sex with me?" IIRC a handful accepted.
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:24 AM
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Actually, it might work out in your favour. If she assumes it's for your girlfriend, you get a free dose of pre-selection and DHV. You never said you have a GF, so you aren't lying to her.
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:16 AM
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Because it still is valuable content.
/r/seduction16/10/12 11:11 AM
1

Hitch. It's a bit contrived towards the end to make the moral of the story work but overall it's a damn funny movie and it does showcase a lot of PUA related stuff. Top Gun. If you don't like the movie, just watch the scenes on base and especially in the locker room. All of these men are pumped up alphas. And the bar scene is a pretty good example of a set that went horribly wrong but that ultimately was salvaged and turned into an f-close by Tom Cruise's character's excellent handling of the si…
/r/seduction16/10/12 10:53 AM
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OK, this answer got extremely long but this is something I see people getting caught out by all the time. So anyone who has noticed the same things happening to himself as the OP should pay attention. Without many details I can only guess but you seem to have three basic issues going on there: 1) You are buying women drinks to make them to like you. In general, you seem to have a mindset of luring/enticing women into your bed. This not only hampers your game - e.g. exchanging drinks, food or any…
/r/seduction16/10/12 10:26 AM
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I have managed to find stunningly beautiful intelligent women in Computer Science and my current GF is studying MechEng. There might be less girls, but they ARE there and they DO want to find a man. The more men there are, the easier you can stand out positively in my experience. As someone else on some other subreddit wrote a couple of weeks ago: it doesn't matter how long the line is, the only thing that matters is that you are first. And TBH it should be rather easy to establish yourself as t…
/r/seduction07/10/12 09:01 PM
1

The frustrated permavirgins I spend most classes with doing a CS degree is one of the biggest reasons why I am most likely going to switch or drop out, too.
/r/seduction07/10/12 08:55 PM
1

So, what did you actually DO? Because just reportung on the outcome doesn't give us much to learn.
/r/seduction06/10/12 04:33 AM
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I don't disagree with that, I just think the number could be a bit too daunting for some people.
/r/seduction05/10/12 08:02 PM
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I never said that we shouldn't be interested in them. Acutally, IMHO meeting new people and connecting with them is the point of all of this. I'm just saying that you have to know what you can/should say and/or do in a given situation. That is true for all aspects of live and when out socialising, you WILL meet people who WILL responde differently to you and how you behave. I haven't decided that these women should be less flirty. To be honest, I often wish they were more confident and flirty. B…
/r/seduction05/10/12 07:15 PM
1

We know it's different because it is. Men and women are slightly different in how they view the world, especially when it comes to courtship and breeding. It's rather easy for us men to say "fuck it, all I have to do is be confident and dominant as fuck and to not give a fuck about anything." But women get told by society and by their insincts that they have to be pretty to attract men. You know, the old "how do I make him notice me" thing they have going. That's why they spent two hours in the …
/r/seduction05/10/12 06:48 PM
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PS. also, the point of us saying "looks don't matter" is that your looks don't matter as much to them as you fear. By behaving right, you can make up for almost any deficiency. Visual appearance isn't everything one notices. There is tonality, body language, clothing, social status, etc. etc. - all these things matter more to most women than whether or not you look like fashion model. Being visually attractive can help you quite a bit in creating attraction but the most important and most diffic…
/r/seduction05/10/12 06:33 PM
1

Two reasons, on legitimate and the other pure validation-seeking: 1) Because their appearance does matter - to them. Women know very well that they are being judged on their looks. The better a girl looks(/dresses), the more confident and receptive to direct flirting she is. It's a someone paradoxical thing at first glance but look at it this way: when being approached/danced with/grinded (ground? sry, non-native speaker) against is absolutely normal occurances for her, she is going to respond v…
/r/seduction05/10/12 06:25 PM
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1000 is a tad much though, especially for a beginner. Just cold opening 5 people is a good first step.
/r/seduction04/10/12 08:32 PM
1

It doesn't really add anything, though. (Since it's nothing special. A ton of girls have their first sex in college for no reason other than that they simply didn't find somebody to do it with in high school.) She is inexperienced and she seems to be in that phase when people grow up and open up. Be understanding, take it slow and maybe gently guide her towards opening up sexually. She was the one to mention it, so she at least must have been thinking about fucking you. It seems to be a big deal…
/r/seduction04/10/12 06:28 PM
2

As we say in pick-up: her buying temperature isn't high enough. ;) Basicly, she wants to but she isn't sure it's a going to work out. She probably got hurt quite a lot and she is afraid of it happening again. The way things are right now she isn't investing too much emotionally or rather she can tell herself she isn't putting herself at risk of being hurt. She is lying to herself, since she clearly wants you to be the man in her life and it would hurt quite a lot, if you left her for someone els…
/r/seduction03/10/12 04:19 PM
2

Though OTOH US citizens are very found of their abbr. IMHO. This MO can make it diff. to get them, as a non-american.
/r/seduction03/10/12 12:33 PM
2

You haven't found what you are looking for. It sounds sappy but if you are just "hooking up" (not an american, I assume you mean you had sex?) for the sake of hooking up... it's not going to be satisfying. Many men, myself included, were very disappointed about how sex really is like, when you do it in reality the first time. I literally continued chasing women but stopped escalating with them once it got to physical. My way of getting over that was to experiment with my GF and find out what I l…
/r/seduction03/10/12 12:21 PM
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What you are trying to express is basicly: "I don't need you. I'm attractive and can pick and choose from a number of very attractive women. But right now I am thinking about choosing you." Opposed to the AFC standard: "I'm so starved for female attention! I humbly beg you accept my proximity and let me bask in your glory!"
/r/seduction03/10/12 12:12 PM
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Eyes are a very strong indicator of what is going on in your mind. By looking at it, you focus your mind on it, inevitably. The girl will notice this, too. She is going to wonder why you touching her is so significant to you. To a confident man, it shouldn't even be worth a thought. At best, she is going to realise that you aren't confident in the touch being totally normal. And worst, she is going to subconsciously fear that you are trying to steal from her, poison her or - and this is the abso…
/r/seduction03/10/12 11:52 AM
2

This post is not only true of BDSM. The transformation you went through is exactly what AFCs have to change about their views on women to become alpha men. Women are very attracted to men who dominate them, because the most dominant men are the best fathers. Do get a girl to really crave being fucked by you, you "just" need to demonstrate a) your ability to fuck her brains out hard and b) that she can trust you enough to submit to you. A dom/sub or even a master/slave relationship is just the se…
/r/seduction03/10/12 11:14 AM
1

Oh yes, a thousand times yes! Approaching is scary as fuck. Actually, almost everything you do that puts you on the spot is terrifying. This true for everyone. But there are two distinct kinds of people: those who say "fuck it, I am going to do this despite being scared shitless!" and those who don't. The funny thing is, we call the first group brave and confident and say they know no fear. And sadly most people will go "he can do it, because he is experienced and he does not have to overcome th…
/r/seduction03/10/12 04:40 AM
1

Hopefully, because otherwise scoring three points in one throw would invole six times as many balls.
/r/seduction03/10/12 04:28 AM
1

I'm terribly sorry but unfortunately I have to inform you that your friend is mentally challenged. Or more probably, your friend is too afraid of failure. He is trying to mitigate what he seems to see as a significant likelyhood of failing by setting/accepting lower goals before he even tries. Failure in itself is just as bad no matter how high the chance of succeding was. Not going into it with a mindset that is focused on success is a systemic problem that is far worse than any single failure …
/r/seduction03/10/12 03:34 AM
2

Dude... that context changes everything. :D Oh BTW: she gave you a massive hint that she wants to get back together. But then again, you ARE a couple, you are just pretending not to. I assume she also knows that your break-up happened due to false information. Just effing man up and tell her you think the two of you should get back to being together "officially".
/r/seduction03/10/12 03:18 AM
1

Protip: Tell women you don't have a relationship with that you want to get divorced or break up with her. It's funny and it's cocky.
/r/seduction03/10/12 03:10 AM
1

There is one thing I would like to point out: It's absolutely not your fault that the conversation died. She didn't fit into your frame and there wasn't much more that you can do about that. It's not like you needto close with her. Have some standards and above all spend your time with people you enjoy being around. Everyone just starting out should keep that in mind, since it's very easy to slide from "I should approach everyone" into "I have to escalate with everyone." You are setting yourself…
/r/seduction03/10/12 02:53 AM
1

Good (structured) Game is just one of a myrriad of ways of being attractive. Would you rather have him be boring and unattractive? If he is so by-the-numbers, it's probably simply the only way of lirting/courtship he knows. (God knows many men simply have no clue and need structured Game to not make a total fool of themselves. I used to be one of them.) And it obviously worked out well for all involved. Is he a nice and caring guy? Is he confident, assertive etc.? Then you have your answer: you …
/r/seduction01/10/12 03:24 PM
7

Yes. You shouldn't treat women like magical beings. Having female friends is a good way to be normal around women.
/r/seduction30/09/12 12:11 PM
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No, women want assertive, dominant and confident men. Anyone who knows anything about pick up should understand how attraction works... But more importantly, I know quite a few women who have said that themselves.
/r/seduction30/09/12 12:07 PM
1

Is it your responsibility to get your shy friends laid? You can only ever invite them and foster an environment that is conducive to people connecting. You could put in a good word or two and in generall be a good wingman. But at the end of the day, they have to do the leg work themselves. Many men wouldn't even accept help, anyways. Just don't cockblock or AMOG them.
/r/seduction30/09/12 01:01 AM
1

Many of us are/were just the same as you. Especially when we are/were teenagers. If you want to be a witty joker, you just have to learn to actually be an upbeat funny person and not someone who mouthes of at anything he percieves to be the slightest bit faulty. No matter how witty you think you are, society has put up boundaries that you have to learn to respect. (Well, actually you can brake them in certain ways and situations but you aren't even close to identifying those correctly.) Calling …
/r/seduction30/09/12 12:56 AM
2

This is a very imported thing to realise. Don't just approach girls and do your show to wow them out of their pants. Connect with them and just wait and see whether or not the two of you will end up giving each other orgasms. If they disqualify themselves from your concideration, it's their loss. You have to keep your standards and you don't jump through any hoops for them. They have to proof themselves to you at least as much as you to them. Probably even way more, since you are a funny and ent…
/r/seduction29/09/12 08:08 PM
1

What is there to talk about? Nothing happened. Like, at all. The only thing you should be chaning is starting to escalate. Because if you keep on just hanging out with her like that, she is going to loose interest.
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:49 PM
3

It doesn't matter. The moment you end up in bed, the game is over. You won.
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:40 PM
1

Do you mean you sleep with them? How about... sleeping with them again? Or going to parties/on dates? You know, have fun? Or if you don't want to see them again, just don't.
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:38 PM
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Then pull out the HB and go from there. Maybe rephrasing what the other guy said can make it clearer to you... There are two kinds of group conversations: a) The whole group is in the same convo and only one person get's to talk at a time. In that situation you just have to get a feeling for when someone is finishing up and start saying something before someone else gets in your way. Being a little louder than necessary (but not shouting) can help. b) The group fractures into several converstati…
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:26 PM
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Ice-skating. Definitely go ice-skating! It's fun, it's a massive DHV and it doesn't cost that much. I'm not that good at traditional dates, I just invite people to come do stuff with me that I would be doing anyways.
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:16 PM
2

IMHO everybody should start a martial art. Even if it's Tai Chi. Reasoning: 1) It's a sport and keeps you healthy both physically and mentally. This WILL improve your quality of live, especially as you get older/a job that has you sit around all day. [And if you can't find a martial art you like, just pick up some other sport and do that regularly.] 2) You get an assload of confidence from it. I know it sounds stupid but having experienced being physically attacked by someone and having blocked …
/r/seduction29/09/12 07:14 PM
0

"All you have"? Intelligence is the greatest asset a human being can have. Are you creative, are you analytical? Can you memorise information very well? All these things can lead to incredible feats. There must be something you enjoy doing that you can be better than other people at. And even if it's memorising pick up material... edit: You problem is not that you don't have any skills. You have an assload of skills. Your problem is you lack of confidence.
/r/seduction29/09/12 05:00 PM
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So, she says "I am going to fuck you but I'm not a slut" and you answer "you are totally a slut"... Yeah, it went about as well as could be expected. Especially since she had explicitly told you earlier that she didn't like agressive game. This is not a language or cultural barrier, this is simply a failure to calibrate to the girl. I still upvoted you for having the ability to see that you crossed her line.
/r/seduction29/09/12 04:50 PM
1

Yes. The basics in any interaction are essentially the same. Be a likable and respectable person and people will have a good opinion pf you. People having a good opinion of you will lead to good things.
/r/seduction29/09/12 04:37 PM
1

So? I'm in the same boat (actually, even worse: I'm switching to MechEng) and I managed to find great women. There will always be a huge amount of other guys who WANT to have the same as you - be it girls, job interviews, promotions etc. - but you will still be able to just wlatz in snatch it up in front of them. You do this by being better and more confident. When I approached the HB8-9 that is now my girlfriend, there were halve a dozen guys around here. They were in better shape and IMHO much…
/r/seduction29/09/12 04:27 PM
1

What exactly are you doing to get bouncers trying to interfere with it? Also, I don't know whether this is different in the US but I have never seen someone go into a set to amog/cockblock just because he specifically doesn't like the guy, instead of just due to trying to get the same girl.
/r/seduction29/09/12 02:43 PM
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If you see it as a hobby, it's a fun thing to do amongst many. Unfortunately, many frustrated guys see getting a girl into their bed as the goal of gaming. That way it won't be fun for long. I like to game every girl I meet but I also have a very hot (and intelligent) girlfriend. This means I get to flirt and have fun and treat every interaction as a success. And TBH I feel it's also massively improving my game, since I am outcome independ. Unless my girlfriend likes them as well, I am never goi…
/r/seduction25/09/12 09:43 AM
-1

Gay people aren't any more or less likely to enjoy anal sex than anyone else...
/r/seduction23/09/12 07:31 PM
3

Why bother about it at all? It's not really important.
/r/seduction23/09/12 11:18 AM
22

There is no punch line. groan
/r/seduction23/09/12 11:13 AM
1

Yeah, now that I reread that... What I mean is: the point of all of this is not just to get dates with one girl. The point is becoming a socially adept, assertive, confident etc. etc. grown man. He shouldn't just fake it untill he has successfully interacted once and then just throw everything he learned out the window. (yes, that's hyperbole ;) ) IMHO there is so much more he could accomplish, be it socially, in his career or wherever, where social skills and confidence can be very crucial to s…
/r/seduction23/09/12 02:24 AM
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Don't let him do it. AMOG right back. It's not just about girls, it's about your social standing and howe much shit you are willing to take from people. Just because you have found a girl you like, that doesn't mean you should let yourself regress into being beta. Even if you don't care about being treated with respect, you are putting yourself in danger of losing her or being cheated on by her, if you stop being an alpha male. Also, you are only dating one girl. Is that all you want to achieve …
/r/seduction22/09/12 06:31 PM
2

Then get to know these people better and spend time with them. Or join a club/pick up a hobby and hang out with the people who share your interests.
/r/seduction22/09/12 06:19 PM
3

So you had a misserable and embarassing first time? I'm going to tell you a big secret: so does almost everyone. What you should be taking from that is that you survived. It literally can not be worse next time. OK, the girl was a total bitch about it and isn't worth your time but that, too, happens to most of us at some time. What you are experiencing is called "growing up." All of us went through it. What you have to do is simply put it behind you and go on improving your life. Oh and try to g…
/r/seduction22/09/12 06:07 PM
0

It's really weird that some (younger) women think that they have to make the men "notice them." If you look even a little visually pleasing, he will "notice you" enough to satisfy any (pre-conversation) requirement for attraction. (Your popularity is not much of a factor in this BTW.) You can not, under any circumstances, increase your chances without interacting with him. If you don't like making the first step, just ask him for a ride on his motorcycle. That would give him the opportunity to s…
/r/seduction22/09/12 05:47 PM
46

"snort I'm not going to fall for that one. You gotta work harder if you want a compliment.."
/r/seduction22/09/12 03:31 PM
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Your problem is not that you are a good guy. Your problem is that you are a pussy who wasn't secure enough in his ability to make her happy. You know what the best thing would have been you could have done for her? It's (figuratively) sweeping her of her feet and showing her that there are great men out there who will treat her well. But no, you chickened out and now she will go on thinking that all nice men are whimps or gay. Good fucking job you did there.
/r/seduction22/09/12 12:35 PM
1

"I'm not arrogant. When you know you are in the right, that's called confidence." Is a line I have used to great effect.
/r/seduction22/09/12 12:27 PM
1

It's still oneitis. And she still isn't interested anymore.
/r/seduction21/09/12 06:43 PM
1

I agree it's a lot but that's just my style of Game. Take an idea and just run with it. I'm not the hardest badass mofo, I'm a funny entertaining guy. What I wanted to show is that you don't even have to get "out of your groove" to shoot her down. She said something? And it wasn't funny? Ok, see how I can just make more entertainment out of that, while I keep the reins of the conversation firmly in my hand. It's my conversation (with the girl that I am interested) and I am not letting someone el…
/r/seduction21/09/12 01:54 PM
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The "friendzone" doesn't exist? Are you mental? Of course it exists! Or are you trying to fuck every person you meet? No? That's because many of them are in YOUR friendzone. Yes, you are right in saying that the friendzone is nothing mythical, it's not a trap one unwittingly blunders into. It's just a complicated way of saying "not attracted." That's the big secret. Since every man on this planet at least pretends that he is attractive, most simply don't realise that it's not some mythical conce…
/r/seduction21/09/12 01:37 PM
2

complimenting someone can make their day. It can also show that you are confident enough to state your intentions directly. The problem is when men without confidence try to generate good-will by sucking up to the woman. THAT is something you shouldn't do. As always, it's a fine line to walk and delivery is key. As a first tip, I would say: try to make a note of some feature, that is genuinely unique and interesting about her. Just going "you are a pretty lady... stare" is BAD. Saying "hey, I no…
/r/seduction21/09/12 01:16 PM
4

The first one is great. But loose the questin mark. ;) I would phrase it "Because I only met you today, duh!" The second says you are a typical beta who doesn't get women. Though depentding on you delivery, you might make her laugh. The last one sounds like an excuse or - even worse - like you are shooting her down. You have to remember the golden rule of deflecting shittests: She wants you to prove that you can rise to the challange. She wants you to get over this hurdle. There is no point in d…
/r/seduction21/09/12 10:05 AM
16

Your comeback was very obvious. She scored a big hit. Most of the time it's simply best to not accept her premise AT ALL, instead of defending or trying to come up with a witty comeback. How about: "Yeah, it's my secret strategy and it's actually very effective. Women love to nurture and protect, so when they see me, they naturally want to sleep with me. And the best part is: the nicer the girl, the more eager she is." Look at her friend, (i.e. the one you were chatting with) "Though it doesn't …
/r/seduction21/09/12 01:03 AM
1

1) Don't fight battles you can't win. Either leave or open and isolate a girl/set he isn't engaged with. 2) There is almost nothing you can do when the friends want to leave. Your time was up and you didn't get her number, so there was no chance to change the outcome at that point. Note though, if had she been really into you, she might have stayed behind or asked for a way to contact you.
/r/seduction21/09/12 12:27 AM
1

Day: just talk to girls as if I don't have a chance and so don't have any ulterior motives/pressure. Night: get drunk. No, seriously. The right(!) amount of alcohol can help A LOT.
/r/seduction20/09/12 03:54 PM
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No. I'm really really bad at canned techniques, since I don't have the Inner Game (read: confidence) to pull them off. Also, I tend to get bored very easily and when that happens, my mind starts to wander off. This means that I am practically forced to engage with the girl and have a meaningful conversation. Otherwise I simply I couldn't flirt effectively. OTOH I do enjoy flirting with people I find interesting (what a big surprise... ;) ) The end result is: the more I like a girl, the more effe…
/r/seduction20/09/12 03:31 PM
1

This. I can't express how much I agree with this.
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:55 AM
1

David deAngelo helped me most at the very beginning. His concept of "cocky-funny" is both very easy to implement outer game and easy to take to heart inner game. He has audiobooks in which other "gurus" add part of their point of view and their techniques both in interview form and recorded live on stage at seminars. David Wygant is very very good for inner game. Look up his videos on Youtube. You won't need anything else on inner game, ever.
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:45 AM
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Yet quite a few mPUAs are very bearded and my HB8 girlfriend insists on the beard staying exactly as it is. Turns out there just isn't a "one size fits all" solution for everything.
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:36 AM
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But for most of us (myself included) outer game is the crutch we need to build inner game. Telling a newbie e.g. "just be happy and the right people will be attracted to you" is just not helpful at all.
/r/seduction19/09/12 11:26 AM
2

Nobody is as witty when they don't have 5 minutes to come up with something. Your only hope is to (once again) get used to the way conversations are made IRL. Instead of comming up with the complete and perfect line, just pick anything that comes to mind and spin off of that. You will find it gets very very easy if you just give it a couple of tries.
/r/seduction19/09/12 08:20 AM
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Yeah, it sounds like typical nice guy rethoric. "Stupid sexy guy, I bet I am smarter than him! If only these stupid bitches would value that over being an asshole!"
/r/seduction19/09/12 08:09 AM
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You need to calibrate to the woman and to the situation you are in. Everything is right at some time and everything is wrong at some other time. The key is to get an understading of what is right when. PUA routines are just the tiniest little pieces of "right stuff" for very specific times. In the long run you will need to develop a feeling for what else is right at those times and what is right at all the other times nobody has given you any ruotines for. There are as many right methods as ther…
/r/seduction19/09/12 08:01 AM
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Yes it can. Like everything else in PU, what matters most is HOW you say it and what the context is. If you manage to demonstrate that you are secure enough to not get upset about a joke, that is a big DHV. OTOH if you look like you are doing the typical "refuge in self-deprecating humour so that you do it before the others invariably will", then that is a HUUUUUGE DLV. You could even be saying the exact same words, delivery is key. That is why it's best to stay away from self-deprecating humour…
/r/seduction19/09/12 07:54 AM
1

The point of telling newbies to approach is not to turn everbody into perma-approaching psychos. It's to get them to open their mouth when they find themselves in the company of a visually pleasing person of the sex they desire. If you don't have problems with that (anymore) there is no point in approaching everything that moves. But untill you are at that point, the best and quickest way to get over your insecurities is to relentlessly approach.
/r/seduction19/09/12 07:45 AM
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Well, at least you have nailed your problem down. First thing you need to do: stop making a difference between humans with male and female genitalia. Yes, there are some minor differences but none of them relate in any way, shape or form to sitting next to each other. Let's look at it this way: Why would you choose to sit next to a male over a female? Those guys tend to be much more prone to physical aggression! You are putting your health at risk! For what? What unspeakable horrors can that fem…
/r/seduction19/09/12 07:21 AM
1

PS also, that is a terrible opener. If I were approached that way, I would stare at the person and wait for the people with the straight-jackets to appear. Sorry, I don't mean to insult you... but if you are doing this, you are coming on to strong. This is creepy. You should at least start with something like "Hi, long time no see! How are you..." to warm her up to the interaction.
/r/seduction19/09/12 07:11 AM
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As (almost) always, your problem lies in your own expectations. You are trying to woo her out of her pants by only delivering the perfect lines. And in the process of hatching your master plan you totally miss the fricking point: that you have to talk to her at some point. You can't plan the entire conversation. You can't even know whether or not she will get your witty/cute/daring opener. So why fret over it? You don't plan everything you are going to do/say, you won't have time to think that m…
/r/seduction19/09/12 07:08 AM
1

Force yourself out of your comfort zone. Try different outer game (direct, indirect, day, night...) and change your lifestyle to become a more attractive person. (I.e. do something cool, preferably something that you wouldn't normaly do.)
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:56 AM
1

Yeah, I stopped watching after those two, because they were so terrible already.
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:51 AM
1

Demonstration of Higher Value. I.e. you proving that you are a good catch... without saying it directly, because that would be DLV. (... Lower ... ;) )
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:44 AM
2

This is exactly the way it has to be done. Put your foot in the door, see what happens and when nothing happens: don't give a fuck. Approaching is the goal you want to achieve. Don't overcomplicate things by already thinking about your opener, your false time constraint, your transition... none of those things matter. You can fumble on any of those steps and still recover and get to fuck her in the end. The only thing that matters is the approach, because that is the one part that is non-optiona…
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:41 AM
2

You are erecting huge hurdles for yourself and when you inevitably fail to clear them, you hate yourself for that. Been there, done that. The best advice I can give you is to loosen the fuck up! Nobody can be as perfect as what you meassuring yourself against! This is extremely counter-productive and unhealthy. You are a human being. Chances are, you have a lot of bad negative sides. That is only natural and that is true for every fucking person on the planet. Learn to accept that. You are not d…
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:35 AM
1

Trying to hook up with someone you just met is not the problem. The root of the problem is that you are making it the metric by which you judge the success of the interaction. Quite naturally, this means you are trying to be perfect because you think you are in danger of missing a chance. Unfortunately, you have already raised the stakes so high that you are to afraid to risk the slightest chance of failure and thus you block yourself from interacting naturally. The actual fact you forget is tha…
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:17 AM
1

tl;dr outcome independence is key to not giving a fuck.
/r/seduction19/09/12 06:01 AM
1

A couple of observations: 1) In general, the less experienced/secure someone is, the more they tend to blindly follow anybody who seems to know what he/she is doing. I.e. be a "leader of men" in whatever way shape or form you can manage in your context and be assertive, especially when you are out of your depth. ;) 2) In general, the less experienced/secure someone is, the worse they tend to respond to feeling threatened. That means you need to be very careful not to overdo it, not to come on to…
/r/seduction19/09/12 05:51 AM
1

In addition to the other very excellent answers I have one more thing to add about what I feel your main missunderstanding seems to be. You are seeing talking to her and making out with her only as steps to the point where you get to put you genitals into her genitals. This is counter productive and quite frustrating, as you even noticed yourself. See it this way: you are a predator stalking your prey. Would you jump up and anounce "now I got you!" after reached halve distance? No, you wouldn't.…
/r/seduction19/09/12 05:28 AM
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It's not harder and generally nordic and western european girls know enough english. Your problem is that you are missing a metric fuckton of social calibration. Danish women don't respond to the same things american women do. That's just normal. But the fundamentials of the Game are the same, you just have to stop relying on routines that only worked because they abused the social context.
/r/seduction10/09/12 03:20 PM
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Wait, you took the only opportunity that you could have realistically expected to work out (the girl you danced with: you approached, opened, and escalated - you just missed the moment where you should have isolated her) and you are feeling bad about not having approached anyone successfully? You are doing great for someone who is only just starting out. (God knows you have more successful approaches in a club under your belt than I ever managed... ;D ) Now go and talk to everyone you meet! ;) e…
/r/seduction07/09/12 10:11 PM
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Dare to be different. Do weird shit. A crucial part of that is not being afraid of the woman just because she is hot.
/r/seduction07/09/12 09:29 PM
2

Oh and insecure people are offended much easier. Be careful with negs etc. You will probably have to build more rapport than you would have to with a secure/experienced girl.
/r/seduction07/09/12 02:38 PM
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Important tip: As a (very crude) general rule, one can say the shyer the woman/girl, the lower her "warmth" towards being approached. This means that you have to be careful not to come on to strong and/or make her embarassed. Because shy people have honed their defensive responses and WILL shoot you down mercilessly just to get out of a difficult or embarassing situation. If you manage to show that you aren't "dangerous" and if you are willing to go a little slower in order to not run them over,…
/r/seduction07/09/12 02:32 PM
2

Fun fact: when I reveiled I was a computer scientist, my (now) girlfriend mentioned World of Warcraft and I got to DHV / build rapport with that topic quite effectively. EVERYONE is interesting in some way to someone. Nobody expects you to change who you are, we are just all trying to get better at communicating in what ways we are great.
/r/seduction07/09/12 02:18 PM
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One big tip I can give you: first year students all around the world have one thing in common and that is that they are new to university. They don't know anyone and they are out of their comfort zone. They desperately want people to talk to them. It will never be easier to approach people (both for friendship and relationships) than in this situation.
/r/seduction06/09/12 12:53 PM
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I can't dance. I am a fattynerd who even was to shy to dance for the first ~ 20 years of his life. And you know what? Somehow people seem to think I can dance. Because I just do what the hot girls on the dancefloor do. :D Add a little bit of rythm to it and that's it. Almost nobody in the world had dancing lessons. Yet seemingly everybody can do it. Why? Because they just fucking do it. There is nothing more to it. Nowadays I like to dance, even though I still need a drink or two before I do it …
/r/seduction06/09/12 12:50 PM
1

I am in the same situation and I use emoticons a lot. Not only do they convey emotion and are a normal part of online conversations, funny emoticons can used to great humorous effect. Hint: learn to make ASCII art penises and vaginas. That one should be used in the right context and should be reserved for the right kind of woman, of course. ;)
/r/seduction04/09/12 06:50 PM
2

Man, this so reminds me of that one guy who was so jealous of me (because he fancied my 100% platonic female best friend, go figure) that he constantly had to contradict me or one-up me. It got so fucking ridiculous... This tryhard "AMOGing" is a pretty damning DLV. Needless to say, at one point my friend told him very frankly that she wasn't interested in him.
/r/seduction04/09/12 06:44 PM
2

Nice will get you everywhere. Being assertive and domminant is not the same as being an ass. At the same time by "nice" I of course don't mean being that neutered little bitch "nice guy" who grovels at a girl's feet just to get a little bit of attention. Finding a balance is key.
/r/seduction03/09/12 07:13 PM
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OR a real player will open a set and just game their panties off without that creepy "under the radar" stuff. ;) As it turns out, different styles fit different people and "work on" different women. In the end, the best style is what works for you, i.e. what fits your natural tendencies best.
/r/seduction03/09/12 06:17 PM
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I believe you have your answer, then.
/r/seduction03/09/12 06:08 PM
1

I love you. <3
/r/seduction03/09/12 06:00 PM
2

Yes. Everbody, repeat after me: "Nobody. Is. Judging. Me." It can be as simply as that. Nobody gives a fuck about all those little things we keep worrying about. Actually, most people you meet will be too busy worrying about how YOU might be judging them, to have any time/brain capacity left to judge you.
/r/seduction03/09/12 05:56 PM
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All of this thread is just so true... I'm 25 and I can't even begin to tell you guys how much better everything magically becomes the moment you graduate high school, including women. Though you can make it much less angsty for you by realizing this simple truth ASAP: nothing that happens or that you do in high school matters. E.g. you don't need to be the coolest guy - or more precisely: you shouldn't feel insecure for not being coolest guy. That pool party that all the cool kids go to? Who the…
/r/seduction03/09/12 04:08 PM
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