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| 1 | What is your opinion on reports that Disney is attempting to win back men and boys?After Norway adopted his recommendations for education, he came out to say he was proud of the report because they were taking steps to reduce men in the workforce (recommendations for male-only parental care). Not because a country chose to include his work in their official guidelines. Dude doesn't care what happens to men in education at all. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 08:13 AM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutIf you aren't willing to address what I am talking about, don't respond and redirect. It is insulting and a waste of everyone's time. Right now, it sounds like you are working to degrade men's norms for achievement. Thanks for subordinating us buddy. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/26 10:42 PM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutI think we probably are pointing to the same thing. Yes that is what I am drawing from the article, I feel like this is pretty straightforward. Here are definitions of each from ChatGPT which is what I am referring to: Gaining secure attachment refers to the psychological process of moving from an insecure attachment pattern (anxious, avoidant, or disorganized) toward a secure attachment style in relationships. De-centering ambition means intentionally reducing how central career success, achiev… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/26 10:39 PM |
| 8 | Is there any tv series left?I mostly watch old TV at this point. Nothing after 2018. Here's some I like: White Collar (Con man, modern throwback, well done) Stargate (Sci-Fi + war) Star Trek Next Generation (Sci-Fi) Simon Templar (Old school spy) Stargate Atlantis (Sci-Fi + war. The leader in the show is a woman and theres 1 or 2 episodes where shes a feminist, but the rest shes decent. Skip those if you see bossy shit and the next one will be fine) Father Brown (classic series and at least the first season of the new one.… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 09:04 PM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutIt seems to me you are shifting the topic here. There's one thread on this already. This one is about the broader impact on men, and it still seems that what you are saying is: "its too hard for men, you need to de-center it from your identity to be happy." You can respond to that by removing the blockers that make it hard / stressful and reduce the probability of including others in your life or you can shift identity so you're basing identity off things that are easier. Pushing for men to shif… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 04:41 PM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutI appreciate what you are saying and support the idea of not overdoing any one particular thing. However, the only answer to how to make it balanced, etc. seem to be "get secure attachment" and "de-center ambition". I'd be happy to draw different conclusions from your writing, but its ambiguous at best and contrary to what I see you writing here at worst. You discuss supposed benefits alot but don't seem to be offering an alternative to identity displacement. Edit: I could also see this stemming… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 04:32 PM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutI hear what you are saying on the surface both here and in the post, but do strongly dislike it because I am not confident it is fully honest. I may be wrong, but here is how it comes across to me: It seems you are saying is "what you need is unconditional positive regard"...oh and also you need to de-center this as part of your identity. If I remember psych 101 correctly, the equivalent of unconditional positive regard (different terms used) is supposed to come from one's mother in the original… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 05:37 AM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutI think thats a fair assessment for the current paper, though I would point out that despite the heterogeneity, bias in favor women is statistically significant past the 99% confidence level. Also, I don't have a link to it at the moment, but there's a fairly clear trend over the last 50 years or so which has seen bias decrease against women in all fields where it was present and increase against men. As of 2020 (the latest data I have), the overall bias stood at around 12% for gender neutral fi… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 05:03 AM |
| 1 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutThats literally what testosterone does. It drives and regulates behavior in response to status. Men who have unstable (and low or moderate) status are driven to increase it, men with low, stable status often act more meek, men with high status are often more generous or dominant (again situation-specific). There are a fair number of studies on this but I'll leave a few here to help anyone who reads this: Exogenous testosterone increases status-seeking in men with unstable status https://pubmed.n… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 03:19 AM |
| 6 | When Success Becomes Identity: Achievement-Driven Masculinity and BurnoutSome of us actually like the idea of achievement, we just want a pathway that actually works to get there. The burnout comes from structures that systematically advantage women over men at every turn, whether its education, applying for jobs, assignments at work or promotions. We don't need to push men to change their identity, we need to make the identity they want possible. Edit: Here's a meta-analysis which covers a huge swath of hiring discrimination studies and clearly shows a pro female bi… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/26 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Questions for the sub, and hopefully something positive for you guysI think it went under cover for a while because they were worried about political outcomes. Now that they feel safer, its back out in the open. They never changed or stopped holding the beliefs, they were just quiet about it for a while. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/03/26 05:03 AM |
| 52 | Is Slut shaming purely hatred for Male sexuality?I think its demonized a lot less in ordinary interaction than what feminists claim. I've never seen anyone complain about it personally. That said, its probably cultural and what someone is looking for. Per wikipedia (before edits about a year ago) they talked about several studies where past number of partners for women was a strong predictor of divorce, so if you see marriage as a cultural necessity, then presumably this would lead to complaints. I don't think it comes from a place of trying t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/25 04:08 AM |
| 5 | is pretty good and took less effort this time but not great but i think largely makes the point well that the male gender role is overly rigid and that it is especially wrong to mutilate male bodies because their genitals are not female and also that it should be fine to leave this role also.because his politics are different You didn't realize you were still logged into your original account? This is the OP account Also, demonizing masculinity isn't just an "I don't lean right" thing | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 03:23 AM |
| 4 | is pretty good and took less effort this time but not great but i think largely makes the point well that the male gender role is overly rigid and that it is especially wrong to mutilate male bodies because their genitals are not female and also that it should be fine to leave this role also.Gender roles specify how you spend your time, not how emotional you are. The addition of men as hard and unemotional was entirely feminist. If you look at records from men in the early West in the 1800s or early TV shows its pretty common for men to show emotion with each other, comfort each other and generally connect with other guys | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 03:22 AM |
| 7 | is pretty good and took less effort this time but not great but i think largely makes the point well that the male gender role is overly rigid and that it is especially wrong to mutilate male bodies because their genitals are not female and also that it should be fine to leave this role also.Masculinity, as defined by feminism, limits emotions. If you look at definitions from men's scholars it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Also how did you end up on Southern Gothic? | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Shame on the men exploiting Lily PhillipsI think the mods added it later. I didn't see it there initially | /r/MensRights | 17/12/24 08:39 AM |
| 2 | Why Men Are Moving Right: They Are Being Sacrificed at the Altar of Women's LiberationGrowth/competence is defined as a basic human need under self determination theory (which has ~40 years of research covering hundreds of studies behind it), and by far the most common direction for this to take is the socially approved one. Also, testosterone tends to correlate with status management and pursuit of status. Basically, this is normal, reasonably healthy (edit: when it doesn't go to social media-driven extremes) and we are quite literally built for it. Don't shame people for doing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/24 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Why Men Are Moving Right: They Are Being Sacrificed at the Altar of Women's LiberationEveryone has an inherent need for having a purpose. Its been shown that having a purpose is protective against suicide, all-cause mortality, loneliness and increases happiness. If you're OK with losing that, then men don't need a purpose, no. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/24 08:20 AM |
| 9 | Quote: "I’m looking for a man in finance, trust fund, 6’5, blue eyes."Most of them don't even seriously pursue that. They'll take what feminism hands them on a platter but they still want men to provide for them. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/24 08:07 AM |
| 1 | Quote: "I’m looking for a man in finance, trust fund, 6’5, blue eyes."Why do you think its only Gen Z? | /r/MensRights | 16/12/24 08:05 AM |
| 14 | Man not promoted due to genderOur mods are such shit. This never should have stayed up. If you read the actual post... There is now a blanket rule where only female candidates will be considered for the first 6 months of a position being open. I haven't seen this in writing but was told this. The 50/50 balance is not company wide for all roles, only technical roles. Roles where women currently outnumber men are not considered something that needs balancing. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/24 07:59 AM |
| 3 | Shame on the men exploiting Lily PhillipsHow the fk are the mods allowing this post to stay up?? I feel like they have done nothing about the feminist brigading here. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/24 07:58 AM |
| 4 | Life and society used to be so good for us. What the hell happened?Basically, men used to make most of our friends through work and men's spaces. They got killed over the last 50 years and we did a terrible job at replacing what was dying. Also dating got way harder with online dating because it basically killed monogamy and women tend to want the wealthy successful men, not necessarily the available ones. Then feminism made women believe men were unnecessary, evil and a threat to them and their success, and that killed our closest support relationship. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/24 01:50 AM |
| 4 | The left or progressives seem to have a strong hatred of individualism. And I think this could be harmful for men issues.Gen Z men lean right about as much as the women lean left from what I understand. I think conservatism is collectivistic, but its collectivistic at the family level. Under conservatism a lot of life is structured around providing or caring for the nuclear family rather than pursuing your own individual goals/interests. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/12/24 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Life and society used to be so good for us. What the hell happened?There are a few things that I think happened: A heavy emphasis on education (and our lack of it) has seriously hurt us economically Increases in the cost of living make life harder for everyone We are the first society I know of outside of Tahiti that tries for identical roles for men and women (and Tahiti didn't try that hard for it). Almost every society has complimentary roles. The reason is because when times get hard, humans fight with the groups they compete with for stuff. Consequently, i… | /r/MensRights | 04/12/24 11:46 PM |
| 1 | Life and society used to be so good for us. What the hell happened?Difficult doesn't always mean bad. A lot of the problem comes when you're forced into doing something impossible, or against your will, or where you don't get any positives from what you do (ie you're forced to give the money to someone else, you get no respect for it, etc.). Challenge and meaning (when things are not crazy difficult) are shown to be cognitively healthy in and of themselves. | /r/MensRights | 04/12/24 11:37 PM |
| 12 | Life and society used to be so good for us. What the hell happened?It depends a lot on what you want out of life... If you define a good life as having to work less and do less, life has always been hard on men, and notably harder on men than women. If you define a good life as having deep, close relationships with people who value you and support you in growing and succeeding by societal standards, the past was much better than today. | /r/MensRights | 04/12/24 11:33 PM |
| 1 | A post yesterday on here had a fake headline...a study did not show traditional gender roles were related to suicide ("patriarchal beliefs" weren't correlated, emotional restriction was for a subset). They use this to claim men's physical pain is actually emotionally restricted depression.Its important to remember that social science, especially in gender studies, should be replicated before you believe it. That said, I think its possible this is legitimate based on a few factors: Stoics are specifically defined as those who do risky activities you need to suppress fear for. They may not have a higher depression rate, but they might convert thoughts of suicide into actions more readily I'd hazard a guess that emotional restriction when combined with social isolation can lead to i… | /r/MensRights | 04/12/24 11:29 PM |
| 1 | Men who adhere to traditional gender roles or masculine ideologies face more than double the risk of suicide | Swiss National Science FoundationThis isn't even what the study said. They redefined "traditional gender roles", the study had nothing to do with supporting a family, working or anything even close. They're counting on you to only read the headline and not actually understand what the study did/didn't show. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/24 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?Studies do not show this. The biological "imperative" is sort of there, but it manifests itself quite differently and has nothing to do with love: women are attracted to different men at different parts of their menstrual cycle: when they are most fertile, they tend to prefer more masculine men, when they are less fertile they prefer more stable, kind men (the two aren't mutually exclusive). This is a good article covering it https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/what-do-women-want-depends-on-24981… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/23 03:49 AM |
| 3 | Abbey Clancy 'punched' husband Peter Crouch after their baby got lost at farm | Nah she abused him cause he wasn't paying attention like he should have beenWhy is she suddenly absolved of paying attention? Is raising children only men's job now? | /r/MensRights | 30/05/21 01:01 AM |
| 34 | What have you stopped supporting, and why?Proctor & Gamble - also due to the Gillette ad. Literally every other razor works just as well and the blades are cheaper too Any movie with Brie Larsen - her comments about hating men (she's Captain Marvel btw) Google, when I can avoid it - due to labeling "women owned" businesses despite no evidence people knew (or cared) about the owner's gender (or race) before that | /r/MensRights | 30/05/21 12:58 AM |
| 2 | I was informed today by a woman accusing me of 'mansplaining' (I don't even identify as male, but I do look typically male) that both sexism towards men and racism towards white people can't exist. Not don't. CAN'T.Hey there you go! At least there's a positive side | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/21 05:54 AM |
| 2 | I was informed today by a woman accusing me of 'mansplaining' (I don't even identify as male, but I do look typically male) that both sexism towards men and racism towards white people can't exist. Not don't. CAN'T.I shouldn't laugh, but the fact that you're not even a man and you got accused of mansplaining is priceless. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 12:27 AM |
| 9 | If you haven't joined this sub, please do so!MensLib is good in theory only if you believe men's role in the world is to serve as support for women achieving whatever they want. There's no support for men or recognition that men are equally worthy of being strong, capable and successful. That's their ideology, its not that the sub is off topic, its who they are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/21 06:35 AM |
| 12 | I Lost My Old Man YesterdayWe're here for you man. The only advice I can give is to let the emotions be there. Its hard, but this is a normal part of life and it will take its course. It may not feel like it, but there is another side to this | /r/MGTOW | 25/05/21 09:01 AM |
| 6 | While the West commits cultural suicide, China preserves their culture.Yes and no. Completely agree that the cultural revolution destroyed traditional Chinese culture (ironically, immigrants I know say whats going on in America reminds them a lot of that). That said, the post is about feminism specifically, which was not part of traditional Chinese culture. | /r/MGTOW | 23/05/21 07:42 AM |
| 4 | We need a good discussion about nature vs. nurture, not just occasionally as a subthread in other discussions.Im really impressed that a mod would do this, especially on a left-leaning sub. Regardless of where people stand, I think honest and open discussion is really valuable. Thank you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/21 06:38 PM |
| 2 | Should men have a hidden camera in their room in case they get falsely accused of something?Check the laws in your state first to make sure it is legal, if not, check into microphones | /r/MensRights | 05/05/21 05:44 AM |
| 5 | Am I the only one who is bored, or even irritated by, the vast majority of popular romance media in western culture?Honestly, I think its like the women's body positivity movement. Would it be great if the images we saw were attainable standards? Yes, absolutely. But, that isn't how people work. There's a reason their efforts for this are way less successful than almost everything else they do: every society I've ever studied idealizes people and puts their idealizations into forms of art and entertainment. As a result, I do think it is kind of an either-or deal, although I really wish it wasn't. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/21 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who is bored, or even irritated by, the vast majority of popular romance media in western culture?Im not upset that a guy is presented as high status. All cultures define desirable traits differently, but all have them. I'd much rather have this than have the ideal man be a subordinate character who has no room, desire or willingness to stand up for himself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/21 05:54 AM |
| 1 | r/feminism is now openly supporting matriarchyIm working on this, slowly (and mostly just research right now) but its coming | /r/MensRights | 16/04/21 06:21 AM |
| 2 | r/feminism is now openly supporting matriarchyNot just that. You know who all of the highest paid people will be: women. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/21 09:53 PM |
| 14 | I feel like I'm in a different world when I interact with mid-20s women in city barsThey have a much easier life. They're supported in society for getting good jobs and achieving success, we're not. They have an easy time dating, tons of dudes throw themselves at average and above women (probably the ones you're talking to). Unless you're in the top 10% of guys, you don't get this treatment. Society shames and attacks men for acting too strong, open or decisive. We have to watch every move we make, lest it convey "toxicity" or man-(pick-an-ending). Women have no such standards.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/21 07:43 AM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.On the first one, I do this as a guy and it doesn't feel or come across as "gay", but it took knowing my friends well before we started. I would highly recommend it. (caveat though, this obviously isn't a thing during covid). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/21 07:00 AM |
| 1 | How Am I Supposed To Escape?Yeah thats a good way to put it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/21 11:33 PM |
| 6 | How Am I Supposed To Escape?I think its a bit different. The stuff they post is "look isn't it sweet" kind of stuff with men petting animals and the like. What I'm talking about is more someone did something cool that also benefitted others | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/21 12:12 AM |
| 10 | Ikaria, a small island with the longest Male Life Expectancy on earth.2nd is Sicily and I'd give up a couple years to eat like that! | /r/MensRights | 04/04/21 11:57 PM |
| 14 | How Am I Supposed To Escape?Honestly, I like the idea of the sub but this just reinforces the same thing for me. If you look at the posts, every single one is about doing something caring. What if you wanted to achieve highly? What if you wanted to be an inventor? What if you wanted to be "successful"? That's reserved for women now. IMO we need a sub with posts that show more than just caring. Stuff like guys who designed bridges that made everyone's lives easier, invented innovative medicines or tech, etc. There should be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/21 11:54 PM |
| -34 | Man patiently waits whilst his wife cheats so she can be the breadwinner and he is the primary parent after finding out she’s cheating on him. She ends up paying him child support!This is fucked up on so many levels. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/21 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Dear men (especially of color) who have to deal with the ridiculous privilege of white Karens, I’m sorry bro.Yeah Im going to take a hard pass on the race-based piece here. I don't work in retail but Im willing to bet Karens don't wait for a black guy to show up before complaining. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/03/21 03:27 AM |
| 8 | Why feminism goes in waves, and why each successive one is more extremeI think people definitely have a tendency to pull together during crises, but I don't think it applies here. The most important feminist advocacy often came at the end of wars, not the start: The suffrage amendment was passed in 1920, which is the same year WWI ended. The US took over the Vietnam war from the French in 1954-55. The second wave of feminism happened in the 60's and 70's The latest wave happened roughly between 2017 (metoo) and now. We have had a pandemic but we haven't had signifi… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/21 05:10 AM |
| 1 | If you had the opportunity to create a secret police force to "disappear" misandrists without trial or lawyer, would you?Given the title I am really impressed with how good this was. Here's an absolutely massive study on heritability that backs up what you're saying: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/#:~:text=Almost%20forty%20years%20ago%2C%20evidence,be%20explained%20by%20genetic%20influences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/21 08:46 AM |
| 3 | Raising a sonVery much agreed | /r/MensRights | 27/03/21 03:10 AM |
| 2 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020US | /r/MensRights | 27/03/21 02:59 AM |
| 3 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020Basically its laws that govern how allegations of sexual assault are handled on campus (among other things). They used to allow both sides to present evidence, and require that evidence could be shown that demonstrated wrongdoing. That was changed in the 2010s to a system under which the accused is guilty until proven innocent, and iron-clad proof that nothing happened was required. Given that's very hard to do, its led to a lot of expulsions based simply on a verbal accusation. Since a college … | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 05:49 PM |
| 2 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020I think its like the difference between velocity and acceleration. Feminism existing drives things getting worse, but because they are losing support, they have less strength to change things so its getting worse more slowly | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 05:42 PM |
| 5 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020I think people often misattribute cause and effect. The feminist movement is the one responsible for the current justice system. They are the ones who have advocated believe all women, pushed for title IX laws for guilty until proven innocent, etc. I don't think we arrived here of our own accord. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 05:24 PM |
| 2 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020Tbh, I suspect you're right. I think people tend to lump socialism, feminism and BLM together and turning people off from any one of the 3 hurts the others. That said, I think Corbyn did a lot of the damage himself. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 05:20 PM |
| 3 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020Have you not noticed feminism affecting men? False accusations? Public condemnation? | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 05:13 PM |
| 17 | In the UK, the rate of women identifying as feminist fell from 46% in 2017 to 27% in 2020Agreed. That said, I think the majority of work on that has to come from us. They're not going to actively dismantle something that is benefiting them | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.Yes, but broad-based subs like nextfuckinglevel should cut across that | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.Yes, but we know the stats of the user base. Its young, aligns with political views of people who are young and in the case of reddit has 52M active daily users, about 1/4 of the US population https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/1/21754984/reddit-dau-daily-users-revealed | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.To get quantitative data, you're absolutely right. However, when there are obvious qualitative differences I don't think you need quantitative data to make a judgement. Ie, without looking at a study I can tell you that men are taller than women on average because I have seen a large enough sample size to make a reasonable guess myself | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.I think part of that is true, but the echo chambers people select themselves into is telling about their beliefs. Ie the groupthink is fairly strong in both r neoliberal and the collection of communist subs. There isn't much crossover. But, there's a reason why the communist subs are larger on average, more people our age are into that than neoliberal stuff. (Fwiw, I am not a communist) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 05:08 AM |
| 0 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.So would I. Unfortunately, I think academia is fairly censored right now. I searched and haven't been able to come up with anything good. There's a little out there from corporations, but its mostly "look we're woke" stuff. While it would prove my point I think its basically meaningless. I think the best indicator we have at this point is whats voted on in social media. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 04:58 AM |
| 0 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.So would I. Unfortunately, I think academia is fairly censored right now. I searched and haven't been able to come up with anything good. There's a little out there from corporations, but its mostly "look we're woke" stuff. While it would prove my point I think its basically meaningless. I think the best indicator we have at this point is whats voted on in social media. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 04:57 AM |
| 15 | So I did a Sexist test...Tests like this are usually BS. Unless you go around posting to #KillAllMen or something its probably not an issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 03:40 AM |
| 3 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.Honestly I think I've seen enough toxic masculinity shaming for one lifetime... The problem with this is they don't cite a single piece of research that was done after #MeToo. Almost everything was published in 2016 or earlier, and it takes 2 months - 1 year for a study to actually get accepted after submission and this doesn't include research, writing or time to publication. So basically what they're saying is, in 2015 men were expected to be masculine, which I think we know, but it isn't supe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Your Body, My Rights: a feminist looks for support in forcing her husband to get a vasectomyI see we found the lurking feminist on the sub. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 03:23 AM |
| 44 | Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females.Yep, what earns social status (and upvotes) for men is being soft, supportive and caring--especially with children. What earns status (and upvotes) for women is being strong, decisive and ambitious. Social status determinants of gender didn't equalize, it flipped and regressed several decades. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/21 10:36 PM |
| 5 | Your Body, My Rights: a feminist looks for support in forcing her husband to get a vasectomyGoing through pregnancy is obviously a joint decision, and one a woman can override at any time (that's the value of abortions). Claiming that a man should share part of this is unreasonable...that's not how biology works and both of them knew what they were getting into. Especially after you've been through it you'd think they would know. Technically no one forces you to do anything unless they physically overpower you. If someone is holding a gun to your head, you still have a choice about wha… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/21 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Can u help me with arguments to take down the wage gap idea pls?Here's a measure of more than 2 million full time employee salaries. Once you adjust for what work is actually done by men and women, and how much experience they have, the gap shrinks to 2% https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/03/21 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Can you explain why you are an "anti feminist "?Hey, thanks for asking. You're going to get some angry responses for sure, but I think actually talking across the isle is really valuable. tl;dr - My pitch is basically this: As a basis men and women are equal, and consequently, long-term equality is super important. The issue is what feminism advocates for has a very weak association with empirical evidence in terms of how to actually achieve equality. What they do doesn't help women that much, but harms men a lot. Here's my pitch with evidenc… | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/03/21 04:38 AM |
| 2 | Wtf is this shit ?women who can't get laid? | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/03/21 06:00 AM |
| 3 | What are some red flags that she's a misandrist?She's a feminist | /r/MensRights | 01/03/21 04:36 PM |
| 10 | Negative portrayal of Fathers in SitcomsIts not "fathers", its men. Men across the board are painted as incompetent morons. They're the butt of most jokes and when there's an idiotic character, its almost always a man. This should be turned around for men regardless of their role. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/21 07:00 AM |
| 1 | At 22 Alexander Johnson was suspended from the Tenn football team after being falsely accused of rape. He was a 1st round talent but was never drafted. At 26, he was acquitted and joined the Denver Broncos. He played his way into the starting lineup, proved his worth and now is a starting MLB/ILB.Tbh I never scouted him, just went off what sports illustrated said. Odds are you're right | /r/MensRights | 16/02/21 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Are caring dads and, in general, caring men attractive for women? If not, what's going on?caring fatherhood and even caring for children in general by males have evolved in many primate species Not it hasn't. Females are the primary caregivers in 95% of mammalian and the vast majority of primate species, including great apes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_care#Mammals | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/21 10:20 PM |
| 8 | More equality, more freedom to be ourselves.The WEF index is calculated as women's level / men's level for variables but capped at 1, then summed. This eliminates the possibility of ever showing a deficit in any variable for men. I wouldn't put too much faith in that measure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/21 09:15 PM |
| 1 | Doing my part.It depends on what issues you care about. Personally, I want to help men retain a sense of strength, agency and personal value in their lives. That means bringing men together in supporting each other for this, and sharing information about it. Basically creating guys nights and the like. If your focus is more on domestic abuse or similar, you'd probably be better off writing your representative in congress (though now isn't the time--they're obviously a little preoccupied). | /r/MensRights | 09/01/21 04:47 AM |
| 2 | Thought I'd make my statement by playing Tomb of The Mask (I lost all my lives making this) also, for those who are confused, yes I'm moving towards the spikes.This is good. Thank you. | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/01/21 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.Then actually do it. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/21 12:44 AM |
| 5 | Feminists: SeXiSm AGaINsT MeNz Is NoT InStiTuTionAl.... or even better, SeXIsM AgAiNST MeNZ DoeSnT ExIST, mens biggest issue is the stigma of crying and men can't wear makeupSexism against men is quickly becoming institutional, thanks to feminism. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 09:15 AM |
| 9 | Someone asked me to repost this here after it was deleted in /r/menslib for being too much about feminism - i hope it's okay here :)Hey thanks for sharing. It is quite interesting to hear about the experiences of someone who has seen it from both sides, and clearly thinks for themselves in a nuanced way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/20 08:15 AM |
| 2 | How new norms and "toxic" masculinity are affecting me. Is this true for anyone else?Thanks man. Yeah thats pretty much where I ended up. That's a much healthier and more positive way to respond to the world, IMO | /r/MensRights | 20/12/20 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.Engage with the data. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/20 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.Im not sure if you're trying to be infuriating or you think "Im going to fight common sense with kindness" but this is really sad. As an actual compliment though...you have more ability to completely sidestep massive logical holes in your argument more than anyone I have ever seen. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/20 12:32 AM |
| 13 | Amber Heard Now Being Paid $33,000 To Give Talks On Domestic ViolenceAre they "How To's?" | /r/MensRights | 15/12/20 08:10 PM |
| 50 | Paris city hall fined for putting too many women in senior roles (69%)“The management of the city hall has, all of a sudden, become far too feminist,” said Hidalgo, who was re-elected for a new term at the helm of Paris last year. At least there's some honesty about what feminists actually want... | /r/MensRights | 15/12/20 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.With all due respect if you are unable to engage with the content to discuss why you do not believe it is subordination of men, and you clearly support it, by definition you support the subordination of men. This is not a personal opinion, this is basic logic. Had you come to a different conclusion based on the facts at hand, that would have been a personal opinion. This is not an opinion, and does not appear to be grounded in anything more than emotion. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/20 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.There isn't anything unclear here. Its simply your choice about whether you are willing to blatantly accept men being subordinated and accept that is wrong. It sounds like you're working hard to keep the mental gymnastics going so I'll leave you to your views. But know this: if you do not have equal norms, you do not have equality. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/20 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Counting advertisements and gender roles. It seems advertisers' changes have gone past equality--Men with children are primarily or exclusively featured 56% more often than women.Obviously. This demonstrates how men see their role vs women. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/20 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.Help me understand what your views are here. The entire point of the post is saying norms have clearly passed equal in Sweden, yet you say this isn't a problem. Why? | /r/MensRights | 14/12/20 10:10 PM |
| 0 | Straight men can have fun too ! Red wine can be a good time !I was not under the impression straight men were forbidden from having fun... | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 04:01 AM |
| 1 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Umm if you read the links, a lot of people are. I consider myself a man, therefore they are telling me to step aside. If they were saying what you are I would be 100% on board. They are not. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 03:51 AM |
| 1 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.It doesn't work like that. It is what gives my life meaning, purpose and value. I cannot and will not simply write it off while others are allowed to do it in the name of "equality". That is anything but equal. Edit: What empowerment looks like is "you can do this too". NOT "only you should have this, I will force myself to step aside." There is a MAJOR difference. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 02:14 AM |
| 2 | The Embrace of New Traditionalists and Feminists: Female PrivilegeI don't think staying home is a good idea for either gender (it gives the working person a lot of power because they control the money. Studies have shown it leads to significantly worse abuse). That said, personally I'd be fine with a traditional role. It wouldn't be an issue for me. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 02:13 AM |
| 1 | Canning of boys is Singapore vs UN Committee on the Rights of the Childlol no worries. I've done stuff like this too | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/20 12:44 AM |
| 4 | Canning of boys is Singapore vs UN Committee on the Rights of the ChildCaning. Not Canning. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 12:23 AM |
| 7 | Canning of boys is Singapore vs UN Committee on the Rights of the ChildI didn't say anything the first time a post with the mistake was made, but it really needs to be said... Canning is taking something and putting it in a can or jar (or firing someone). Caning (one n) is hitting someone with a cane. Please use Caning when you mean it. If men are getting canned its a problem, but probably not this problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/20 12:22 AM |
| 7 | The Embrace of New Traditionalists and Feminists: Female PrivilegeThe reason I think the traditionalist movement exists is because men feel like they have no place in this society, no value or meaning to their lives. If they want to be successful they're told it is simply due to male privilege and if they're not, they're lazy or incompetent. The only way out is defining yourself by fatherhood, which is great if that's what you want. If its not, you're out of options. I don't think new traditionalism is the way to go, but I do think the underlying problems that… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/20 12:08 AM |
| 2 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Yeah Im going to go with the 99% upvotes that disagree with you. I never said anywhere no one else is strong capable and successful. Maybe you could improve your reading comprehension a bit. It might help you figure out why everyone else supports this. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 11:33 PM |
| 1 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Looks like we found the feminist on here... An opinion piece saying men should step aside due to historical wrongs Christian Bale calling on men to step aside from any potential roles in leadership An opinion piece shaming men for just about everything, including not stepping aside Another one | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.How can you say it is OK for men's norms to be so obviously pushed past equal? Do you not care that men deserve equal norms to women? | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 06:35 PM |
| 1 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.How you measure each is essential. Its essential to measure the actual advantage/disadvantage, not an outcome you expect might be related to it. Skipping this leads to going overboard on changes and turning disadvantages into advantages and vice versa rather than balancing them. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 06:07 PM |
| 2 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Where do you see that taught or emphasized? I think this is an outdated view. Maybe 5-10 years ago this happened, I don't see it today. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 08:56 AM |
| 6 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Oh sorry I assumed you meant culturally. Yeah I've been told my success was due to my privilege as a man before but never actually told I needed to step aside for it | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 06:26 AM |
| 15 | If the goal is to create equal norms, norms promoted in society must actually be equal. We can't condemn men for being strong, capable and successful, then praise women for being that way and pretend its equality.Seriously? Have you not heard anyone talk about male privilege? Edit: we're told we are successful simply because of our gender and we should step aside for women to succeed. If you don't you're part of the problem. Here are a few articles: An opinion piece saying men should step aside due to historical wrongs Christian Bale calling on men to step aside from any potential roles in leadership An opinion piece shaming men for just about everything, including not stepping aside Another one | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 05:55 AM |
| 2 | CEO of Top Fashion Company Steps Down to Support His Wife’s CareerIf this was reversed people would scream sexism. The idea that men should step aside for women is utter feminist crap. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 05:32 AM |
| 2 | Can we make some sort of sub for 'counselling' or giving 'direction' to our men and women in the 'mensrights' or 'masculine' philosophy ?We really need this. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not on board with the whole "be soft, demure and gentle. Never be strong or resilient" thing. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.The "you" refers to you personally, though I suspect most of Sweden agrees with you. What truly mystifies me is why you (and likely many Swedes) seem to think norms need to shift more if they are already equal, and probably past equal (see the original post). This is just grinding men into the ground on norms. If your goal is to change structural issues, I get it. Your support of further creating unequal norms is absolutely beyond me. It obviously isn't working very well and it obviously harms m… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/20 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.What I find really remarkable, and completely reinforces these findings is you seem completely unable to conceptualize men as being equal to women in regard to ambition and achievement norms. That pushing past equality and pushing men into the roles women had and vice versa does not create a better or equal world. That if we have already reached equal norms but don't have equality there's probably something else we need to change that isn't norms. The fact that this is never even conceptualized … | /r/MensRights | 05/12/20 07:28 AM |
| 3 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.You didn't actually read any of the post, did you? The problem isn't they balanced roles, the problem is they didn't stop there. They kept pushing despite this. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/20 10:37 PM |
| 3 | Sweden's Feminist Movement is 20-40 years ahead of the US. They achieved equality in norms, passed it and have continued to push for more.Two questions for you: Why is it better to have empowered fathers and not have empowered mothers? If only one gender receives support for doing childcare how is that equal? Why is it better to have women in government than men? Wouldn't equal be better? You say that empowering women is good, and I'd agree so long as it is equal. What I don't understand is why empowering only women and creating differential roles and norms is good. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/20 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Promoting women in STEM without pushing a feminist agenda (and discouraging men). I am tired of women in STEM groups hating men and want to explore other options.Hey, Im a guy who thinks along somewhat similar lines to you. My view is basically that yes we should have equality (in that both have equal opportunity, support, norms and recognition for success without attacks), but feminism is basically a supremacy rather than an equality movement. I think a lot of this comes back to how you frame the issue and where you come from, on both sides of the issue. Here's how I think you could frame things so it doesn't lead to hate: Basically the concept of "patr… | /r/AntiFeminists | 03/12/20 05:53 AM |
| 0 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.Oh so now you're Men's Lib? And here I was thinking there were far-left men who weren't pro-feminist... | /r/MensRights | 01/12/20 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.God you people do get triggered easily, don't you. Hey, while you're here, remember the GOP still exists! | /r/MensRights | 01/12/20 03:55 AM |
| 3 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.Using a USSR-esque logo for your sub? Check. Lmao. Good luck. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/20 06:53 PM |
| 1 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.Umm that was never mentioned anywhere in the link I posted. You're pointing to your source in the hope it applies the article I linked to, but there is no evidence it does. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/20 08:06 AM |
| 1 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.lmao. Pretty sure the only people who think that define communists as the only true left | /r/MensRights | 29/11/20 12:18 AM |
| 2 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.Well most are. I fail to see how thats relevant though. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/20 01:20 AM |
| 2 | Please join r/LeftistsForMen if you are intersted.Anti-war? Bullshit. WW1, WW2 and Vietnam were all entered into by Democrats. Edit: I say this as a moderate. I may vote left on some occasions but I also know the history of the party. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/20 09:09 PM |
| 1 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.I mean I think that would be amazing. I don't really believe that will happen though. Norms arise spontaneously and are run by our mammalian brain. There's never been a culture without them. I don't think its actually possible Edit: not the study I wanted to show this (the one I read was larger) but it shows the same thing https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131003155109.htm | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/20 08:50 PM |
| 27 | An actual good post on menslib - on the cooperation / competitiveness between menYou can tell its a good post on Men's Lib when it doesn't get that many upvotes. Completely agreed with what you said though | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/20 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Fun question: How do you think being a man in the 1800s is different from being a man today?Yes, because everyone in the 1800s used combines and modern machinery. Go read some accounts from actual farmers from the era. Honestly, if you don't think technology or farming or life has changed in 200 years, yes you are stupid. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 09:30 PM |
| 0 | Fun question: How do you think being a man in the 1800s is different from being a man today?You're clueless. The fall was harvesting, processing and storing food. The winter was taking care of animals, repairing buildings and tools and working to get ready for the next year. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 09:14 PM |
| 20 | Fun question: How do you think being a man in the 1800s is different from being a man today?Everyone (men and women) worked a lot harder, but you were valued and recognized for it. It was a collaborative effort toward a common goal. There was actual purpose in what you were doing. I think life was harder and people basically just did what they could to help keep everything going. You also had a lot closer social connections with other guys. There was a lot of fraternal stuff back then. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Is there anything I can do to stop the Matriarchy?That's really cool. We need more guys like you. It might be a little while but if and when I come up with more, I'll let you know! | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 06:52 AM |
| 2 | Candace Owens uses rock musician's wardrobe as red herring to shame men into gynocentricityUmmm what rock musician wears a flowery dress? I don't like Owens, but if you want to call someone out, blatantly lying about what they're saying is really bad way to do it. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 06:26 AM |
| 1 | Right-wing pundit Candace Owens unironically claims male rock musician's wardrobe is part of Marxist plot to weaken men, thus threatening the existence of Western civilizationPlease do. This shouldn't be on here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/20 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Is there anything I can do to stop the Matriarchy?I've spent the last several months working on this and am trying to figure out how to change it. Im still fairly early on in my research, but as best I can tell, overall societal power is based on: Who earns money How easily (and how likely) the people who earn the money will contribute to causes Social cohesion and a unified vision of what morals should be On a personal level its based on who earns the money and who has a social safety net. So if you want to do something personally, earn good m… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/20 11:01 PM |
| 1 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.They explicitly adjusted for egalitarian ideology. Its not that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/20 10:51 PM |
| 1 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.Depression is not the only cause of suicide but the two are extremely closely related. Its like saying heart disease isn't the only cause of heart failure. Its not the only cause--you might get shot or take a drug or something--but its going to be associated for a very good reason. The poll you link to has nothing to do with staying home vs. working. Its just an average of how much time men and women spend on various tasks. This isn't the 1950s--not every woman stays home. If there are actual pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/20 06:24 PM |
| 1 | Equality of norms for achievement: What happens if men's norms don't keep up?I think a lot of it comes back to self-esteem. We've been shamed and attacked for everything that is societally valuable and has generally provided men with self-esteem. I think if we had norms that helped us to be strong, capable, ambitious and healthy (and that actually gave us some sense of strength and unity) we could make a difference. With what you're talking about, Im not militant but if there was a group that actually supported us in being strong and not being shamed for it, I'd join in … | /r/MensRights | 25/11/20 06:29 AM |
| 0 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.Well yeah, but if you read the study it compared men who stayed home to those who worked. The study causally proved staying home leads more men to depression than working does. If depression is higher among men who stay home, the idea that it lowers your suicide risk (with literally no evidence to support this) is laughable. Staying at home, you work 17 hours more per week. Do you really think after that you're going to have increased health and vitality in old age? To be blunt, if I had a choic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/20 03:54 AM |
| 1 | Men get the short end of the stick with this work vs "cooking and cleaning" stuff. It's much easier and much less stressful to stay home and do chores than it is to work a job.Three really good reasons why men should not stay home: Money inequality leads to power control inequity within marriage. Even though a number of couples pool finances, it is rarely controlled equally. When women control the pool, they also control a greater percentage of household decisions. (study) A longitudinal, 4 year causal study proved men who stay home are more depressed than those who don't (study). Very little data is available for what happens to men when they stay home other than the… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/20 03:34 AM |
| 15 | I took today off from work and turned into a "house husband". And I would switch roles permanently if I could.Three really good reasons why men should not stay home: Money inequality leads to power control inequity within marriage. Even though a number of couples pool finances, it is rarely controlled equally. When women control the pool, they also control a greater percentage of household decisions. (study) A longitudinal, 4 year causal study proved men who stay home are more depressed than those who don't (study). Very little data is available for what happens to men when they stay home other than the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/20 02:42 AM |
| 1 | One of UK's biggest school textbook makers vows to 'flip harmful gender stereotypes'This is horrible. Lets show more men than women in the home and childcare and more women than men working. If we flip norms that makes everything great! | /r/MensRights | 24/11/20 01:38 AM |
| 2 | Best countries for men to move to?Did you mean a country instead of "Feminism" as the first word there? | /r/MensRights | 24/11/20 12:19 AM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseYes, because there's clearly evidence that radical feminists think men should work and thats a radical position. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/20 12:04 AM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseWhat we are discussing IS the opinion of MRM. NOT your opinion. Unless you can prove MRM regularly holds the view, it looks to me like you're a Men's Libber who is in the wrong sub. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 10:52 PM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseSo...again you literally have no evidence that MRM supports this. Sounds like YOU support this and you think everyone else should. It may have escaped your notice, but most people on here don't support the "toxic masculinity" story line. To be blunt, the only other place I've heard this is from Vaush who is a Men's Lib youtuber. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 10:43 PM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseSo you think a good chunk of the "toxic masculinity" thing was MRM? Really? Can you actually point to anything that supports your case or are you just going to state platitudes? | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 10:30 PM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseNo, but when the advocacy is directly tied to it and the other explanation has no correlation, maybe the first one is a better explanation. Also, where exactly in MRM do you find serious advocacy for men being soft and open? That's Men's Lib. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 10:13 PM |
| 0 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseIs "Happy crying dads" really MRM? Or is that Men's Lib? Also, MRM spiked in 2014-16, Feminism spiked in 2017-20. The latter corresponds to sub growth, the first one doesn't. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 09:36 PM |
| 3 | Reinventing Masculinity: The Liberating Power of Compassion & Connection | Dr Edward Adams (PODCAST)According to self-determination theory (which has 40 years of solid evidence behind it), universal basic needs are competence, autonomy and relatedness. Grit is causally shown to increase the first two, and mental toughness is related to both grit and competence and autonomy, though the direction of causation hasn't been proven yet. Given the needs are universal, I think these should be included in any definition of masculinity. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/20 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.I am not interested in arguing with an idiot about a subject he fails to understand. Models have incorporated technology growth for a long time. I hope you put your money where your mouth is and put your net worth in place where it directly varies with the accuracy of these predictions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/20 01:32 AM |
| 2 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyI think there are a lot of views out there, and a lot of the negative ones are represented here. My goal is to find a positive way to be a man, one which dignifies and supports us in being strong, capable, successful and healthy. Fwiw, I really like your idea of adventures (or maybe just living life as an adventure) with your brothers. It may not have deep underlying meaning, but it comes with connection, support and agency, which I think is good. More importantly, I think it is something a lot … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/20 06:33 AM |
| 6 | How Society Historically Privileged Women (And Still Does) - Woke FatherWill downvote for the site title 10/10 times. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Best countries for men to move to?Feminism fighting against that is the sort of thing I'd be 100% OK with. SJW sponsorship does not sound good though. That said, if the government is doing a really bad job and they're the ones promoting the SJW crap, do you think people will buy into it in the long-run or reject it because they see who it comes from? | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 06:31 PM |
| 6 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseIts not the idea that you can't be gentle. Its the idea that you should be gentle and soft while women are strong and successful. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseLike I said, it doesn't prove it but it does provide a reason to look for a causal link, which I think this is. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 06:26 PM |
| 1 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseNo, however it doesn't rule it out. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Why the "gentle father" image has accompanied feminsim's riseIm not sure feminism directly promotes it, but I think feminism lays the groundwork for it to be created. I've seen this image a lot since feminism gained power. Its why subs like happycryingdads did nothing for years, but took off after feminism became mainstream. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 09:51 AM |
| 1 | Best countries for men to move to?It depends what you're looking for. If you're looking to avoid discrimination and thats all you care about, Eastern Europe is a safe bet, probably Japan and Thailand too. Good luck with the languages though. Share more about what factors you care about and I can probably help. I've been researching for the better part of a year now. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 08:50 AM |
| 2 | Best countries for men to move to?From this, the best 10 for men, with my own research noted: Oman - Haven't researched, I don't like desert much so skipped the Middle East. Mexico - Very traditional still. Gender roles haven't changed anywhere near as much as here I don't believe. Likely to have some water, (possibly) heat and violence concerns. Cyprus - Seems good. Only risk is Turkey being expansionist (there are tensions and the island is split into Turkish/non I believe) Taiwan (I think) - Like Cyprus but an imperial China … | /r/MensRights | 21/11/20 08:45 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyIn terms of the Spartan thing I don't know that cohabitating makes sense these days, I think it would be a hard sell. And definitely agreed it doesn't have any financial incentive behind it. In terms of being male-only Im concerned that won't be popular, and Im definitely concerned that could kill it. That said, I think might be necessary. According to CANVAS, which is an organization whose framework has spawned a large number of nonviolent movements, arguably the most important thing for a move… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/20 08:27 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyAs a developer consultant who lacked those skills I definitely agree with you. I think the guild model is a really good one, but with one caveat. Its not financially viable to spend money mentoring young men for a long time so I don't think it would stick in industry. But retired men have a wealth of knowledge and talent, plenty of time on their hands and they're probably somewhat lonely. I bet they'd be happy to volunteer. That said, I think connections among peers outside of that could prove v… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/20 05:27 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyYeah agreed that the MensLib idea of "just be whatever" isn't viable. Tbh, I think its a construction that is intentionally misleading. Anyone who's been through Psych 101 or spends a few hours reading studies on the subject should be able to see it. I think you're mostly right on status, but there are two key caveats: 1 - (I'd guess) the opinions of people you respect matter more in determining this than people you don't, and 2 - Its based on your perception. While thats probably close to reali… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/20 04:45 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyI think the phrasing was a bad choice, career does sound outdated. Being financially successful is probably a better way to go. I think its important to include finances just because if women have a norm for success but men don't, men will fall behind. I like the idea of focusing on specific skills, its one I've been considering also. That said, I think there has to be a reason to build the skills, and status would provide that. Based on research I've read, status is generally earned by showing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/20 04:40 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyI literally wrote a really long post on this that you're commenting on. As much as I would like to agree with you, what I said above holds--I don't believe status-related norms are remotely similar for men to where they were even 5 years ago. The evidence is in the post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 04:13 AM |
| 0 | What does this list of rules for professional educators remind you of?My mother spent some time living and studying in Taiwan and visited mainland China under Mao's rule. This list fits her description of what it was like there pretty closely. Some of the stuff on there is just basic common sense (don't change a random kid's underwear...) but a lot of other stuff (Never be alone in a private area with a student. If a student comes into the classroom and you happen to be alone, immediately step out into a public area such as the corridor.) sounds a lot like an auth… | /r/MensRights | 19/11/20 04:11 AM |
| 0 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyUmmm have you been alive in the last 5 years? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 04:06 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyI'd agree completely. That was really well written. If you're up for writing a little more, I'd be curious what you think about the first first point--transitioning status away from fatherhood and more toward careers | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 03:51 AM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyActually that isn't scientifically supported (at least the first part). Norms become internalized and are quite powerful https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/KellyInternalizedNormsIntrinsicMotivations.pdf | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.He strikes me as one of those people who shouts a lot from the sidelines and predicts enough that eventually they're right. Just about anyone can do that, it isn't hard. And the reason the fed was confused is they expected the phillips curve to hold, which it did not and they didn't know why it didn't. A valid question that was miscontstrued. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/20 03:23 AM |
| 2 | If the Johnny Depp case has shown us anything, its that men need to stick together and support each other...we're certainly not going to get it from anywhere else.Yeah seriously. Its a view we need to change. | /r/MensRights | 14/11/20 07:05 AM |
| 1 | Why women WON'T dominate the workforce...with FACTS from Harvard !Its not that simple. Men are only more competitive when you meet 2 criteria: Men have higher testosterone (pretty likely to always be true) Men do not have higher cortisol levels (feminism directly impedes this). Basically if they can constantly stress us out for long enough, they will prove more competitive. Otherwise we will likely be more competitive. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/20 08:39 PM |
| 2 | It's gets tiring to see younger men bow down to modern day/3rd wave feminismYup same here. Definitely hard to watch. If we were being repressed against our will...thats one thing, but a lot of men just crumbled. They were told they had too much and needed to show more deference and support and so they did. Reminds of that saying that if you repeat a lie often enough people start to believe it. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/20 07:52 AM |
| 8 | Are there any boy-positive books out there for infants?Older stories (ie pre-2017) are good for this. They don't fit today's world quite as well, but at least they don't tell boys their position is to be quiet, soft and submissive while women succeed. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/20 09:44 AM |
| 2 | I'm starting to resent women.Not all women are like this. Feminism comprises probably around ~30% of women in the US, and unless you go to some feminist hell hole like Sweden or Iceland the figure probably isn't that much higher. I genuinely do not believe feminists see men as equals and (personally) do not find the personality especially attractive. For me the solution is to find a good group of guys you can fall back on and connect with and don't date feminists. | /r/MensRights | 01/11/20 06:08 AM |
| 6 | Kill all men is NOT hate speech! According to one of the world's largest social platforms.Twitter and Tik Tok. Probably. Genocidal? Yes. Hate speech? Well....you see when it comes from a movement we like, its free speech. | /r/MensRights | 01/11/20 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).I am sorry, it sounds like I misinterpreted what you were saying. I should have checked first. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 09:43 PM |
| 4 | If the cause of higher male suicide is "toxic masculinity" you would find higher disparity in traditional societies than feminist Sweden. but we don't, therefore this explanation is false.This is a really good point. Thank you for posting it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/20 09:41 PM |
| 28 | " It was hard to come to terms with the fact that I was bringing yet another white man into the world. "That no doubt paid her extremely well | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/20 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).Apologies, this comment didn't call me a liar saying the content never existed. Only your other one did. I changed my response as a result. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 04:09 PM |
| 4 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).It literally says it defines it as that, yet in your post it says: I hate to break it to you, but the magazine does not define toxic masculinity as "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive" You're basically saying I am making up what they're talking about. Clearly its there. The examples they give in the second paragraph are not uncommon, but they say it stems from masculinity, which is toxic and defined by these traits. Hence, the lying part. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 04:07 PM |
| 8 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).Unlike you they didn't lie about what it says and doesn't say. From the first paragraph: Deeply embedded in the patriarchy are the socially constructed norms that define masculinity; think physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive. These descriptions make up the traditional image of men and define the term “toxic masculinity.” | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 08:04 AM |
| 11 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).This: Deeply embedded in the patriarchy are the socially constructed norms that define masculinity; think physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive. These descriptions make up the traditional image of men and define the term “toxic masculinity.” | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 08:03 AM |
| 8 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).The intention here is primarily to call out Feminism Magazine and those who produce similar content, because I think this is quite clearly harmful. And while you have not specifically said you don't think men should have those traits, you are defending an article that condemns men for assertiveness, which is on the list and contributes to achieving ambition. I don't have the study handy, but I believe emotional stability is linked with grit and resilience (two aspects that Positive Psychology co… | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 03:07 AM |
| 9 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).So because you were a feminist (still are from the sounds of it. Being egalitarian is awesome, but you're also arguing in favor of a pretty biased article) you know what the majority of millions of people think? Seems like you're drawing on your personal experiences and extrapolating to a group to try to prove a point. And no, I responded to what you wrote. It didn't take much. Your comment was saying 2 things: what they said they don't really mean (see my response above) and I don't believe the… | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 02:12 AM |
| 8 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).First off, how do you know what most feminists want? Second, using these words tells men these things are not acceptable for us to do. You can try to explain it away with "well that's not really what they meant" but the reality of the situation is, if they used the wrong word it has a harmful effect and they deserve to be called out on it. You seem to want to argue that unsentimental means something other than what it actually means. The definition is in the post. The quote you pulled from discu… | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 01:54 AM |
| 4 | Feminism Magazine's Feminism 101 defines toxic masculinity as: "physically strong, unsentimental, and assertive". Here's the science to prove all of those are good for you. (Seriously, even unsentimental is a net positive).They're not the only factors | /r/MensRights | 28/10/20 12:16 AM |
| 3 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Do you have any actual evidence the specific traits mention are harmful beyond feminist opinion pieces and your emotions? Dominance, emotional rigidity and a playboy attitude were found to be harmful in a meta analysis which did not control for levels of socialization. That is the primary basis for the "toxic" masculinity push. These aren't the traits discussed in the article, and they don't make up the majority of what it means to be a man. Edit: I think solipsism just means you don't think oth… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/20 08:10 PM |
| 2 | Meta-analysis combining both western and eastern cultures: Autonomy is a universal human desire and is linked to subjective well-being (ie happiness)Right now there is a lot of pressure to define masculinity. Men's Lib type viewpoints often argue for men defining themselves as soft, passive actors with a de-emphasis on work (contrasting with a strong emphasis for women). It also includes status that is increasingly defined by things men have limited control over themselves. Given that autonomy is a universal human desire and has been shown to be beneficial for people, I think this is generally harmful for men. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/20 10:02 AM |
| 3 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Uhhh science. Look for some of the posts on here and other subs about how these and similar traits are protective against depression, anxiety and other things. If you'd rather ignore science, thats your problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/20 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Yeah that one was extremely accurate. Im actually really impressed by that. They predicted something I don't think I've ever seen from anyone else. I may be too overconfident in my assumption given he was right when I almost certainly would have been wrong had I been looking at the world more then (I was in HS). For the econ one, I don't think he knows much because he basically assumes the fed has no idea how to recognize any trends, doesn't understand how the fed uses messaging (its a policy to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/20 10:11 AM |
| 1 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.They seem extremely arrogant for not actually knowing anything about economics. If they're right its dumb luck, not skill | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/20 09:13 AM |
| 9 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Nah I think they still have a lot of feminist crap, but they allow some dissenting opinions. As someone with an economics degree, I don't think that's very likely, although I kind of wish you were right. More likely we just grow more slowly than other powers like China and India. Economic Decline of Empires is a great book you might like on this (its very dry though. Its a historical economists collection of academic writing). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/20 08:00 AM |
| 2 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Agreed. Convincing men to actually try to be manly seems difficult. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/10/20 07:58 AM |
| 1 | contemporary feminism is not true equality anymoreYeah but I seriously doubt it was as bad as it is today. Im old enough to remember pre-2017 and I didn't see half the shit back then we see today. | /r/MensRights | 26/10/20 07:57 AM |
| 6 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Seriously? You didn't even read it did you. The article specifically says the traits DO NOT cause the damage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/20 12:43 AM |
| 7 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Umm I don't think the second set is toxic. Is there any actual evidence of that? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/20 12:10 AM |
| 7 | contemporary feminism is not true equality anymoreMy impression is early feminists were just as man-hating as the ones today. They just had actual disadvantages then. Its primary goal has never been equality, they just didn't have the power to implement what they wanted before. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/20 11:41 PM |
| 10 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.I don't think that's what the article is about. The focus is more on men being strong, capable, etc. and how that is beneficial for men--not something we should take away. But yeah I think there is something in us that pushes for self-reliance | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/20 10:30 PM |
| 8 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Quick summary. I've changed verbiage from the article to make it more succinct but I believe this accurately reflects the content: Traits that are typically thought of as masculine--strength, personal power (not domination), ambition, grit and fortitude are positive for men and necessary if we are going to thrive in the world. (As I've some months ago, numerous studies show they are extremely good for you). The men who cause damage are usually the ones who feel powerless (and, IMO, feel they hav… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/10/20 07:43 PM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.If you cannot build a coherent argument that society is better served by trying to eliminate norms entirely than creating healthy and helpful ones, using studies along the way to prove your assertions, we have nothing to discuss. This is not a question of whether norms have a cultural element. Obviously they do. This is a question of what is the best way to respond to create the best possible life for the most possible men. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/20 07:20 PM |
| 34 | Psychology Today: Masculinity is not the problem.Quick summary. I've changed verbiage from the article to make it more succinct but I believe this accurately reflects the content: Traits that are typically thought of as masculine--strength, personal power (not domination), ambition, grit and fortitude are positive for men and necessary if we are going to thrive in the world. (As I've some months ago, numerous studies show they are extremely good for you). The men who cause damage are usually the ones who feel powerless (and, IMO, feel they hav… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/20 07:17 PM |
| 3 | How Do I Help?I think a lot of it comes back to the core of who we are. Support men the same way you would women. If you'd support a girl you know for being strong, powerful and successful, do the same thing for a guy. If you'd support a girl who's going through a rough time with a relationship, do the same thing for a guy. How you react to people--what you recognize them for and support them for has the power to shape the world, use it well. On specific issues, it depends on what issues you are talking about… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/20 07:06 PM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.This was one long ramble. You cite no studies, you just say the same thing you said initially in different words. If you can make points that counter what I said, and you can cite sources to demonstrate this, I am happy to debate. I'm not going to respond to a long opinion piece. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/20 07:03 PM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.As someone who reads a decent bit on this, I'd disagree with your view that we can remove cultural norms. You can remove norms for a certain time, but others tend to arise spontaneously. You can't just remove them and have them stay away. I've cited some of my research in the post, I'd be curious to know what you are looking at that says its possible to remove (and keep) gender norms from returning. Fwiw, I am definitely up for a good faith debate and will do my part to keep it good faith. I don… | /r/MensRights | 24/10/20 12:28 AM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.It used to be on artofmanliness.com but I can't find it and Im pretty sure the author turned into a MensLibber (go figure...) so he probably took it down. Im pretty sure it comes from Manhood in the Making but I haven't gotten far enough in the book to know the specific tribes he uses for evidence yet. | /r/MensRights | 24/10/20 12:22 AM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.Thats fair. It was absolutely horrible what he did. | /r/MensRights | 24/10/20 12:19 AM |
| 3 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.You are missing a decent chunk of what I am saying, or just not responding to it. This isn't about you as much as its about populations as a whole. According to Stanford that disapproval (ie social norm enforcement) is as functional as a written law. Its clearly effective. Whether you believe you personally would ignore that has no bearing on objective reality for a population as a whole. People deviate from laws also. Almost everyone has broken minor laws (ie speeding) but serious ones are rare… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/20 12:15 AM |
| 2 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.There has always been a normal dress code for people of different groups in every part of the world. That includes hairstyles. Today wearing pants is fine for women. Wearing giant hoop skirts, not so much. Go back 120 years and you'll probably find the opposite. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/20 08:05 AM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.Norms can certainly shift, but as you gain new opportunities you lose others. Sticking with the theme of sexual freedom, if you're a dude who wanted to wait till marriage (not me, I long since missed the boat on that) this would have been normal in the past but is significantly frowned upon today. Ultimately it ties back to a specific way people are generally expected to act and what is considered within "normal" for that. The range may grow or shrink a little, but it moves more than it grows. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/20 07:59 AM |
| 3 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.You're making a straw man argument, or you do not understand mine. I never said norms don't change. I said the idea that we can live norm-free and everyone can be exactly who they are is wrong. For example, our society is quite divided today. If you tell most people on the left you want to be a soft woman who stays home to take care of the kids and household, you'll likely be labeled a conservative and shunned (this is similar to the pick-me girls). On the right, they are likely to be somewhat m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/20 07:54 AM |
| 1 | The idea that we can simply be "free from gender norms" is probably not accurate. Science shows humans develop and enforce norms naturally, subconsciously and illogically from an an early age.What's the difference? It doesn't matter if you term it abolishing norms or "expanding acceptance". What matters is people naturally enforce norms, which reduce the range of acceptance. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/10/20 05:05 PM |
| 1 | At 22 Alexander Johnson was suspended from the Tenn football team after being falsely accused of rape. He was a 1st round talent but was never drafted. At 26, he was acquitted and joined the Denver Broncos. He played his way into the starting lineup, proved his worth and now is a starting MLB/ILB.Looks like this is a troll account. Honestly though, getting this butthurt about something when you're intentionally trolling is pathetic. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/20 04:41 AM |
| 1 | At 22 Alexander Johnson was suspended from the Tenn football team after being falsely accused of rape. He was a 1st round talent but was never drafted. At 26, he was acquitted and joined the Denver Broncos. He played his way into the starting lineup, proved his worth and now is a starting MLB/ILB.Damn...I had no idea he even existed. Thats horrible. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/20 06:33 AM |
| 8 | At 22 Alexander Johnson was suspended from the Tenn football team after being falsely accused of rape. He was a 1st round talent but was never drafted. At 26, he was acquitted and joined the Denver Broncos. He played his way into the starting lineup, proved his worth and now is a starting MLB/ILB.For everyone who wants details on the accusation, here's the story. Edit with more authoritative link and quote: https://apnews.com/article/6d34a5b2b18141fb9e16152014fc6c81 Johnson and the accuser were regular fuck buddies. Its well known they slept together a number of times previously. Here's the quote from the article: "Hixson said that the sex between Johnson and the woman while all four people in the room wasn’t necessarily “consensual in her mind,” but added that Johnson “had no way of kno… | /r/MensRights | 18/10/20 06:13 PM |
| 6 | At 22 Alexander Johnson was suspended from the Tenn football team after being falsely accused of rape. He was a 1st round talent but was never drafted. At 26, he was acquitted and joined the Denver Broncos. He played his way into the starting lineup, proved his worth and now is a starting MLB/ILB.You don't even know the story...Maybe try googling first. He was having sex with a girl he regularly hooked up with, his friend joined for one time and she later decided she didn't want it. The jury decided not just that he wasn't guilty but that the sex was consensual. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/20 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Question about toxic masculinityVery well said. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/20 09:27 PM |
| 3 | Question about toxic masculinityI could write an essay on this--its why I ended up on this sub, but to summarize it quickly its not the message that men need to be able to be emotionally healthy. I think thats great. tl;dr - Its more a sense that men have to be passive now. You can't be strong, confident, capable and ambitious. Those traits are for women. Instead more and more there is a sense that you are a passive actor in society and the world happens to you, you don't have an active role in it. That you are no longer an eq… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/20 06:39 AM |
| 2 | How Feminism Ruins MoviesHe gives 8 minutes of evidence and the tittle is very clearly on point. If you expect quantitative data on feminism in movies, you're not going to find it anywhere. Its not possible to argue with someone who objectively ignores what is in front of them. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/20 03:00 AM |
| 37 | The Problem of Surplus White MenBefore I saw this I thought you posted it here unironically. I don't understand how a sub focused (supposedly) on helping men can post crap like this and then protect it... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/20 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Study: Grit, Intellectualism, Planning and Self-Control are positively related to psychological well-being, social well-being and life satisfactionVery much agreed. If they looked at the positive aspects of masculinity instead of the negative ones, I suspect it would be considered pretty healthy | /r/MensRights | 13/10/20 08:03 AM |
| 5 | How Feminism Ruins MoviesNowhere in here do you actually articulate where the guy is wrong. You just complain that you don't like it. The points made are accurate, as anyone who has watched a movie in the last 3 years can attest to. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/20 06:39 AM |
| 11 | Feminist Strategy: Target Children From Birth -- "Concepts like intersectional feminism can sometimes be tricky to teach little ones."The percentage of women leaving is only a few percent higher than men. You just don't hear about the men. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/20 07:33 AM |
| 0 | Does anyone else feel like if you were as strong and confident as you wanted to be, you would be condemned for being toxic?The problem is almost everyone who says that makes that assumption and association. Nowhere in my post did I suggest I am an ass. Nowhere did I list characteristics that pointed that way. He added that. Perhaps its not everyone voting on this who needs to improve their comprehension... | /r/MensRights | 10/10/20 07:04 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else feel like if you were as strong and confident as you wanted to be, you would be condemned for being toxic?I think people like you are the problem. You assume that being strong and confident automatically means you're an ass. This makes those who make the assumption condemn the behavior without bothering to check if it actually causes a problem. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/20 03:17 AM |
| 1 | Study: a combination of high levels of Grit and Gratitude virtually eliminate suicidal ideationGrit is defined by Angela Duckworth (the most famous researcher in the space) as persistence and passion for achievement of long-term goals. Her scale is pretty commonly whats used. The paper's definition of gratitude: "Gratitude is a mindful appreciation of benefits and gifts that can be attributed to the kindness of other people". So basically, strive for long-term goals and appreciate the kindness of others. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/20 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Americans in this subreddit, who are voting for for president? Who do you think does more for men’s rights?Biden is actively horrible for mens rights. Trump seems utterly useless and I don't know anything about Jorgenson's position on it. Im not voting for any of them, they all suck. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/20 06:07 AM |
| 1 | Study: a combination of high levels of Grit and Gratitude virtually eliminate suicidal ideationThe study highlights from sciencedirect: Suicide is a problem of widespread concern and research into protective factors is needed Meaning in life may be protective, but it is not directly modifiable. We examine gratitude and grit as two factors that synergistically buffer suicide through increased meaning in life. We find that grit and gratitude indirectly buffer suicide over time through increases in meaning in life. Gratitude and grit are modifiable and can be used as part of a therapeutic in… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/20 05:46 AM |
| 3 | Study: a combination of high levels of Grit and Gratitude virtually eliminate suicidal ideationThe study highlights from sciencedirect: Suicide is a problem of widespread concern and research into protective factors is needed Meaning in life may be protective, but it is not directly modifiable. We examine gratitude and grit as two factors that synergistically buffer suicide through increased meaning in life. We find that grit and gratitude indirectly buffer suicide over time through increases in meaning in life. Gratitude and grit are modifiable and can be used as part of a therapeutic in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/20 04:55 AM |
| 7 | What is this sub's opinion on encouraging more male solidarity?I was with you till you started in on the toxic masculinity crap. This almost always means "men can be anything they want, as long as it isn't strong, capable and success oriented." Don't limit men's behavior when it comes to this, and I'm with you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/20 03:07 AM |
| 1 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.Political power and social/societal power are completely different. They are related over the long-run, not the short run. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/20 01:32 AM |
| 1 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.I don't think it changes that fast overall. Power within certain domains might but on an aggregate level I don't think it does. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/20 05:15 PM |
| 1 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.They're abstract until you're living in one. A society does not require absolute, complete control by one gender to become an -archy. It requires the preponderance of power rests with them. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/20 12:32 AM |
| 20 | I hate coming to this sub,Yeah we definitely need more positive stuff here | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:50 PM |
| 1 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.That sounds reasonable to me. Also a lot like what we're seeing today | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 08:29 AM |
| 5 | Can't sleep. Need to get this out of my head.Good luck man. Keep us posted no matter how it turns out. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 07:13 AM |
| 6 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.It sounds like their culture is collapsing, but that's primarily because the kids now see marriage as a positive. https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/the-decline-of-chinas-kingdom-of-women/ Honestly I don't see why men would want the Mosuo way of life. They have literally no respectability or opportunity. You're a second class citizen. Sounds horrible to me. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 06:52 AM |
| 6 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.Put the link through outline.com Basically none of those are answered in the article. A few takes from personal knowledge: I assume they have faced famine. The society shows absolutely no interest in technological advancement (something I've seen in looking at other matriarchies) so I'd be shocked if they haven't faced famine. I doubt they've had to change geographic location at all recently. It seems the Chinese government leaves them alone. I doubt there's a serious genetic component. One of m… | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:24 AM |
| 6 | What life is like for men in a matriarchy (Mosuo in China): Women are regarded as the more effective sex and the only ones with influence. Men do relatively little work and are seen as disposable, often swapped as sex partners and used for the fruits of what labor they do.That's kind of where I was going with this. I think the message didn't make it through. I don't know that we're technically in a matriarchy (ie we still have more male politicians), but functionally our culture seems to be there. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:19 AM |
| 2 | Debunking the UNI DO NOT LIKE DESERT. HOW DARE THEY! Seriously though this is fucking awful and basically shows the state of society today | /r/MensRights | 06/10/20 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Shaming and condemning men who are strong and powerful as representations of "toxic masculinity" while promoting the exact same traits for women is not equality.No that isn't what toxic masculinity is, the problem is no one knows what traits are actually found to be toxic and everyone seems to have made up their own definition. What it is, based on a 2016 meta-analysis of what traits were found to be negative for men, is domination, emotional repression, what is called a "playboy attitude", technically self-reliance (although I think this is generally good in smaller doses, IMO) and a few other small traits. | /r/MensRights | 06/10/20 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Shaming and condemning men who are strong and powerful as representations of "toxic masculinity" while promoting the exact same traits for women is not equality.I think we're talking about two similar but different things. You're talking about pride as a state (ie I am very proud and think extremely highly of myself) vs pride as a response to specific situations (ie I did a good job on "x") | /r/MensRights | 06/10/20 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Shaming and condemning men who are strong and powerful as representations of "toxic masculinity" while promoting the exact same traits for women is not equality.Totally agreed on masculinity being based off values and courage (also pursuit of excellence, IMO). That said, I think being proud of your accomplishments is normal, not toxic | /r/MensRights | 06/10/20 08:24 AM |
| 5 | Shaming and condemning men who are strong and powerful as representations of "toxic masculinity" while promoting the exact same traits for women is not equality.Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I've gotten this too. I spent 6 months mentoring an intern at my company (Im in tech). At the end of it, we hired her. Within 2 weeks she was telling me how all white men are trash ("except, maybe, you"), etc. It doesn't matter what you do. If you're a white dude and don't look like you're soft and acquiescing, you get hate. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/20 04:36 PM |
| 3 | There was a long list in this group where it showed feminist journalists and writers were belittling men. Anyone got a link?I didn't believe this was true. Looks like it is https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/huffpost-editor-says-new-years-resolution-is-to-kill-all-men.html | /r/MensRights | 26/09/20 07:51 AM |
| 10 | Shaming and condemning men who are strong and powerful as representations of "toxic masculinity" while promoting the exact same traits for women is not equality.I hear what you're saying. What I think you are missing is that pop culture you're talking about influences our behaviors, choices and norms. Also, the focus here is not on the female leads, the purpose is to show the double standards men face in exhibiting given characteristics, in our lives and in media. If men are going to have the option to have any characteristic they want, we can't differentially condemn some for men but extol them in women. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/20 07:47 AM |
| 6 | The truth about r/MensLibIf you look at the cross-sub stats, most of the the users on there are from r\feminism, r\twox, etc. A lot of the users on there aren't actual men. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/20 07:59 AM |
| 3 | Double StandardIts because society supports them in being strong and condemns men for it. As a man, any time you speak up, there's a decent chance someone considers you toxic. A woman doesn't face that. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/20 05:15 AM |
| 3 | I know this is an incomplete stereotype but is it wrong.The choice is basically between feminine women who value relationships and connection and masculine women who value a lot of quick sex. Quick sex is nice in the short term, but for someone to spend my life with, I'd take a feminine girl any day. | /r/AntiFeminists | 13/09/20 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Is Misandry popular in China?I hope so, but tbh it seems like you can basically pick a society where one or the other is dominant but its hard to find equal. Maybe eventually the two can come together and we can actually get real equality. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/20 08:00 AM |
| 3 | Is Misandry popular in China?Its a good Q that isn't talked about enough. My basic impression is most women in China are feminist (about 3/4 as compared to 30-40% in the US) but of those surveyed, more expect stronger rather than weaker gender roles in the future. On the whole, I think feminism is quite popular there but can't really take off because the CCP does not like it and has a tight lock on the media. My guess is parts of it will enter society but a lot won't, and as a result I suspect misandry will be present but l… | /r/MensRights | 04/09/20 06:45 AM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?Yeah my question is still more about this sub, but I do think asking is worthwhile. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?Seems like it... | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?Apparently I didn't word it very well. Sorry. I had about 2 minutes to write it. I posted about it here and ended up with <20% upvotes in about 5 minutes so I didn't understand what was so wrong about this. I know this sub is supportive of an active fatherhood role, but not like that... | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?Agreed | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?Yeah after it got <20% upvoted in 5 minutes I decided it was better to delete it. What I said was (as best I can remember): "Why is it that posts with women and kids are removed from all major subs when posts with men and kids are always kept up? Only showing 1 gender doing something doesn't create equal norms." | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain this to me?The question is why my post here about it got downvoted, not why they removed them | /r/MensRights | 03/09/20 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the techer does not know he is a boy (OECD) From kday 1 of early yers education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scoresAh my bad | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/20 03:33 AM |
| 6 | Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the techer does not know he is a boy (OECD) From kday 1 of early yers education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scores33% higher?? That is a HUGE gap | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/20 11:11 PM |
| 2 | Ways to Promote Homosocial Bonding and Male SolidarityAgreed on the issues with creating an all-male group. I think you've got to find enough non-guiltable people to start a group and let the wave of hate pass, then when you're still going and people are used to it more can join. If it happens under the radar I think its possible. At the very least, we've got to try. In terms of the macho/therapy thing I don't think being macho is bad. Its not for everyone though, which is why there's stuff like cards and D&D. Those of us who would rather play spor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/20 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Three major groups that strive for or, at least, tolerate inequality between the sexes, all for somewhat different reasons: "conservatives", "believers", and "feminists".We've got conservatives and leftists. There isn't much left out there. | /r/MensRights | 30/08/20 08:27 AM |
| 6 | What would you say is the best country for a man to live in, based on legal rights and cultural attitudes?I'd argue Central Europe--its developing and getting closer to western standards tech wise but isn't feminist and doesn't seem to be heading that way any time soon. South/Central America seems reasonable also. New Zealand maybe. Definitely not Iceland, Sweden, the US or India | /r/MensRights | 30/08/20 08:17 AM |
| 2 | Ways to Promote Homosocial Bonding and Male SolidarityI don't read it that way and I don't think thats what the OP was going for. I think fraternal organizations generally mean Frats (which I think help male bonding, but are a separate discussion). Agreed on what society will say. Apparently spending time with someone with a similar lived experience doesn't qualify as an adequate reason. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 06:25 AM |
| 2 | Jonny Kim, aged 36, has achieved becoming a Navy Seal, a trained Harvard doctor, and is now selected to become the first Korean to go to spaceI guess thats the downside of copy pasta from nextfuckinglevel. Thanks for the correction. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/20 05:23 PM |
| 0 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.I hear what you're saying, but I still don't think the claim that language has an effect on an individual's viewpoints and actions is substantiated. I haven't seen evidence yet and I've provided some to the contrary. I think the message we intend to convey (and what is heard) is what matters, not the words and phrases used. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 09:53 PM |
| -1 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.I think you're assuming language is static. Its a tool we use to describe and give meaning to the world around us. When the meaning we want to express changes as a society, the language will as well. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 07:53 PM |
| -1 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.I posted this on a comment below, but basically what you're talking about is NLP. The science behind it says evidence of its effects are dubious: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320368#does-nlp-work | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 07:44 PM |
| 2 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.Right but phrases in a language don't determine what people think is right or wrong. What youre talking about is very close to NLP, which a review showed has little effect and much of the supporting evidence is anecdotal https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320368#does-nlp-work | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 07:36 PM |
| 1 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.Its a fiction book. Is there anything in real life to back this up? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 07:14 PM |
| -1 | In Finnish there are many words that define men in a negative way and very few of women - and very few that describe men in a positive way. Reading an article about this, I just realized how the language steers men towards being good providers and protectors sacrificing often their own well-being.Language doesn't dictate what people think or do. Just live the life you want | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens roleReally? Where do you constantly see the message? I saw it a lot 3-5 years ago but don't see it at all now. Also, it seems people found it overnight and it now has about 1/5 of the upvotes of most of the fathering posts. Getting much closer than I would have thought but definitely not equivalent | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens roleUpdate: Post stalled out at 6 upvotes. Looks like I was right. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens roleI think you're wrong, but I decided to test your theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ihf3qc/buzz_aldrin_got_a_doctorate_from_mit_walked_on/ If this (or a post you make if you think this one is bad) comes close to matching the others, I'll happily retract that this sub doesn't want to support men succeeding. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 05:17 AM |
| -1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens roleAnd apparently want that to be the only choice...Im not sure that men becoming the primary caregivers so we take a role away from the feminists is a good idea...Maybe we should both do both. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 04:31 AM |
| 1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens rolePersonally I agree with you. Looking at what is popular on the sub, it seems like that isn't the case though--based on voting it seems the sub wants us all to be primary caregivers. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Constantly praising fathers while never recognizing financially successful men pushes us toward the 1950s womens roleI've been looking at the sub for the past 3 days and every day 3 of the top 5 posts are about men being good fathers (edit: I confirmed this by searching and looking at top posts). I have never once seen anything on here recognizing men for succeeding in their careers in spite of challenges--even searching for past posts. If you constantly promote one and never promote the other, it gives the idea that you only want and support one and not the other. That is basically the definition of a gender … | /r/MensRights | 27/08/20 02:57 AM |
| 6 | I Believe Modern Feminism is Not a Movement for Equality and is Instead the Female Equivalent of Misogyny and Effectively Serves to Diminish Men's Rights.The primary difference between an equality and a supremacy movement is what they advocate for. An equality movement advocates for both sides to have an equal opportunity to get a desired resource (ie jobs, etc.). A supremacy movement advocates for one side to have a differential advantage in getting resources, and often (though not always) attacks the social standing and strength and/or safety of the other side. Feminism is a female supremacy movement. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/20 02:10 AM |
| 2 | How new norms and "toxic" masculinity are affecting me. Is this true for anyone else?Hey I just wanted to say thanks for being super honest and supportive. I really appreciate it and it definitely does make a difference, thank you! | /r/MensRights | 24/08/20 04:06 PM |
| 5 | How new norms and "toxic" masculinity are affecting me. Is this true for anyone else?About to go to sleep but might (did) write you later. Thanks for both the offer and tip on stoicism, I'll check it out. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/20 10:19 AM |
| 2 | Is this the state of feminism now?Looks like Klinger from MASH, lol | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/08/20 09:16 AM |
| 3 | “We cry as men”And you think his hand will never heal? | /r/MensRights | 22/08/20 03:00 AM |
| 6 | “We cry as men”That's how learning happens...when shit goes wrong, someone helps you figure out how to fix/deal with it in a healthy way. You fix it and get rewarded for it. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/20 12:09 AM |
| 8 | “We cry as men”Life hurts you whether you like it or not. No one goes through life without hitting setbacks, pain and challenges. This way he knows how to deal with it. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/20 11:36 PM |
| 4 | Im sick of men's defense being "not all men". It should be "almost no men". The vast majority of men are not rapists and its about time we acknowledged this.Im pretty sure any woman who read 50 shades of grey would qualify | /r/MensRights | 21/08/20 05:44 PM |
| 6 | Im sick of men's defense being "not all men". It should be "almost no men". The vast majority of men are not rapists and its about time we acknowledged this.You're missing the point. Im saying that number is exaggerated. If you have a better source I'd be happy to add it. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/20 01:27 AM |
| 14 | Do you think men can be oppressed and if so how does the severity compare to oppression against women?A few ways men are oppressed today: Men are given lower grades in school--some European countries even require by law that men are given lower grades. This impacts their ability to get into colleges and get good jobs afterward Men account for the vast majority of the homeless population and prison population. Yet there are few programs to help address this. There are, however, programs for female inmates and female homeless. Men receive almost no support for rape or domestic abuse, women receive… | /r/MensRights | 20/08/20 07:50 AM |
| 1 | Why do you think a considerable number of straight men like trans women porn of women with penises but it is unheard of for straight women (and gay men, for that matter) to like trans male porn of men with vaginas?Thats fair. Usually stuff like this coming from guys is a loaded "lets have a porn/gender conversation" rather than curiosity | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/20 08:18 AM |
| 1 | Why do you think a considerable number of straight men like trans women porn of women with penises but it is unheard of for straight women (and gay men, for that matter) to like trans male porn of men with vaginas?Ok, I can get the curiosity factor. There's a lot I don't know about sex/anatomy from a woman's perspective that would probably be obvious to a woman. Sorry for the assumption, almost everyone on here is a guy. In answer to your questions: I've never noticed what you're talking about in the title. I am all for trans rights but have no desire to see them naked--both kind of gross me out. Guys don't talk about this stuff much, so idk other opinions on it, but I've never seen anything to suggest th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/20 08:14 AM |
| 3 | Why do you think a considerable number of straight men like trans women porn of women with penises but it is unheard of for straight women (and gay men, for that matter) to like trans male porn of men with vaginas?Umm this is awkward. Why don't you just watch the porn you like? No one talks about the porn they watch anyway so you're not going to be judged for it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/20 05:41 AM |
| 18 | The problem of simpThe issue is "respecting women" is very often "being a doormat for women". Men need to have a sense of self and take care of their own needs. If insulting the men who become doormats stops the behavior, I'm all for it. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/20 05:35 AM |
| 5 | How common are the following beliefs among antifeminists?No No No No No, but probably not ideal Yes but not very religious (edited) | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/08/20 03:30 AM |
| 3 | “All Men are Trash”Yeah agreed. I think things will get back there but it will take a while | /r/MensRights | 12/08/20 05:41 AM |
| 20 | “All Men are Trash”We shouldn't have to argue that "not all men are evil". We shouldn't have to argue that "most men aren't evil." This should be taken for granted--there are good men and bad men, good women and bad women. We're all human. This seems to escape a lot of feminists, however. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 07:58 AM |
| 3 | Why plastic surgery is taboo for a common man?Umm its not great for anyone. Why should we normalize it? Maybe we should be getting no one to do it | /r/MensRights | 09/08/20 09:55 PM |
| 27 | Terry Crews attacked on TwitterDude's right. We need successful men to help mentor the next generation and act as role models them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/20 08:53 PM |
| 15 | Feminism strike again. Feminism trying to stay relevant in 2020 by inventing rubbish.This has got to be fake, but it is really funny. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/08/20 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Pls readSo you're not even defending feminism anymore? Now its just communism? And no, its not just one leader. Some were OK, but the system seems to inspire a lot of mass murder. I'm done with this debate, but I'll leave you with some reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/08/20 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Pls readGo read the definition of communism: a system under which everyone is equal. How'd that work out under the Khmer Rouge? Just because a movement expresses principles of equality does not mean their actions have anything to do with it. If the best you can do is repeat feminism's chosen self-definition as an argument that they should be treated differently and held to a lower standard, it means the movement cannot stand on its own merits. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/08/20 12:10 AM |
| 1 | Pls readThis is your opinion. You believe the movement should receive special treatment because you like it. This is an emotional, not a logical opinion. Feminism explicitly neglects men. It is equality for women. Feminism is not actively trying to dismantle women-only universities despite the fact that more women than men attend college. Feminism is not attempting to address homelessness despite the fact that most homeless are men. I could go on, but feminism clearly neglects men. Your emotion is not a… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/08/20 09:24 PM |
| 1 | Pls readYou are saying a group should not be judged by the collection of the actions taken on its behalf because you don't think its hateful. What makes you the final arbiter here? Would a Nazi have said any different during WW2? Every social movement is based on the same underlying logic: a defined group within society is being held back unfairly by others (usually a targeted group) within society and they want it to change in specific ways. The ideology expressed differs more with the target audience … | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/08/20 08:28 AM |
| 1 | Pls readReally? Lets check what groups you support by using this logic elsewhere: KKK lynchings were an extension of KKK ideology. People took the action based on what they promoted. By your definition the KKK should be totally absolved of this. When some far-right nut expresses they want to start a race war because they believe white people should be at the top of society, you believe alt-right groups are not to blame because an extension of their ideology does not reflect on them. I could go on, but I… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/08/20 08:15 AM |
| 3 | Pls readBecause feminism is a collection of values and norms, it serves to function as a societal entity which affects the lives of every person who is affected by an extension of feminism. When feminists, take a specific action in the name of feminism or inspired by feminist ideals, it is an extension of feminism. When laws are passed referencing feminist values or norms as part of their basis, that is an extension of feminism. For example, when feminists condemn and shame men for achievement, arguing … | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/08/20 01:52 AM |
| 12 | Always happens when you’re trying to be the nice guy.So don't be the nice guy. Don't settle for this crap. If you can't do better, work on yourself till you can | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/08/20 08:46 AM |
| 1 | What differentiates masculinity from femininity?From a scientific perspective, the averages of men and women are very close in many traits (those I've looked at are around a 1/2 standard deviation off or so), and each person has some of each so there aren't any traits that exclusively belong to one side or another. However, when you look at traits as a whole, men almost always have a preponderance of masculine traits and women almost always have a preponderance of feminine traits. So, what makes a man masculine or a woman feminine is the gest… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/20 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Feminists have a new term for men: “You are a simp.”I don't think anyone's going to mind that you posted that or take it down--generally speaking there's a lot more leniency for differing opinions here. You just probably won't find that much support for it. | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/08/20 06:34 PM |
| 4 | Feminists have a new term for men: “You are a simp.”The idea is basically the same as a "nice guy". A man does something nice while clearly understanding he would not receive reciprocal treatment in return. Men's Health is a dedicated Men's Lib magazine that writes strongly pro-feminist content. Thats probably not a good source for this sub. | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/08/20 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Modern feminism ?I haven't seen them pulling other women down, but that is likely because Im a guy. I imagine wanting anything other than the feminist ideal would be very hard on a woman today. | /r/AntiFeminists | 31/07/20 07:51 AM |
| 2 | Male partners are "exploiters"They aren't strictly related. The logic is basically: They're stupid for believing this given obvious information to the contrary If they believe men simply exploit them, they are significantly less likely to enter relationships with them. Given most kids are the result of committed relationships (usually marriage, at least in the US), they have a lower likelihood of reproducing as a direct result of their beliefs. | /r/AntiFeminists | 31/07/20 07:49 AM |
| 2 | Male partners are "exploiters"The silver lining here is anyone stupid enough to believe this probably won't reproduce. | /r/AntiFeminists | 31/07/20 07:20 AM |
| 1 | Gender Roles Seem to Have Flipped. Is Anyone Else Concerned?They're ancient. Society has clearly changed in the last 40 years and lots more women work now than then, so I would be very surprised if that data is still relevant. If it hasn't changed, it shouldn't be hard to find the data to support your view. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/20 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Thoughts on this?Yeah. Its hard for me to watch personally. I support the movement, I am also disgusted with the organization behind it. Who knows, black men have been centered enough with it (IMO) I think there's a chance they might succeed in doing something good despite their best intentions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 04:01 PM |
| 10 | Thoughts on this?Well BLM specifically says they want to be free of spaces that center men, so its not surprising this is how its seen. (Edit: the source is the BLM What We Believe page) Also I think after the feminism wave in 2017-19, a lot of men are a little more hesitant to wholeheartedly sign on onto any social movement because we've seen what being on the other side is like. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Gender Roles Seem to Have Flipped. Is Anyone Else Concerned?Editing my comment. Going through your sources, they don't look especially high quality and most are old--80s and 90s with some in the 2000s or 2010s. I haven't clicked on one yet from the last few years. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/20 12:57 AM |
| 8 | Why are men so eager to strong-man posture and downplay misandry?Because given the overton window, you will look off if you use those terms, no matter how accurate it is. If it is going to become a thing, you have to start by calling blatant misandry (ie abort all male fetuses, men should be banned from applying for certain jobs, etc.) out first. Once people can accept that it exists and this is a reasonable description, they can start applying it more accurately. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 12:42 AM |
| 1 | Gender Roles Seem to Have Flipped. Is Anyone Else Concerned?Because not every aspect of them has changed. This is about primary work responsibilities. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/20 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Gender Roles Seem to Have Flipped. Is Anyone Else Concerned?It increases depression and lowers happiness and self confidence for men. Its not exactly positive for us either. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/20 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Gender Roles Seem to Have Flipped. Is Anyone Else Concerned?Ummm the same reasons it hurt women. Lets review: It doesn't just affect those men. Men who want to pursue lives working are functionally limited by norms that don't support and recognize what they want. This is recognized society-wide so you won't receive support for a role other than what others see as acceptable for your gender. Women are more likely to face domestic abuse staying home. Its likely to happen to men also It has been proven via longitudinal studies that men transitioning to stay… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/20 07:54 AM |
| 1 | Honest Question: I have been concerned for a while that, given the institutionalization of feminism and lack of awareness/support for domestic violence against men, men who stay home are setting themselves up for abuse and depression. What am I missing?Thanks, I'll repost in a day or two, some time when I can respond to comments | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/20 06:04 AM |
| 3 | Why boys and men are falling behindYES. Im glad someone is bringing this up. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/20 09:07 PM |
| 7 | Monogamy and promiscuityThats really quite misleading. The data isn't that simple. Both men and women cheat at a similar rate. Men tend to cheat for physical and sexual reasons. Women tend to cheat either because when they are most fertile they desire men who have different characteristics than what they desire the rest of the time (basically more dominant and masculine) and they have a high sex drive, or because of emotional differences/issues in the relationship. Basically men spread seed, women look to get the highe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/07/20 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Honest Question: I have been concerned for a while that, given the institutionalization of feminism and lack of awareness/support for domestic violence against men, men who stay home are setting themselves up for abuse and depression. What am I missing?...because of the stats I posted. Did you read it? When you take actions that increase the probability of something happening, across a large population size you're virtually guaranteed to increase how frequently it happens. The only way that would not be true is if every single man was abused and depressed now so we were at the upper limit of what was possible. That is obviously not the case. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/20 10:09 PM |
| 20 | Every aspect of "toxic masculinity" has an equal but opposite aspect in "toxic femininity"The problem that I see come out of these topics is people make the assumption that: "we should stop and do the opposite of what my gender's norms are now" without stopping to ask what is actually good for people and keeping the good aspects of both while discarding the bad. As long as we don't take it there I have no problem with it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/20 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Honest Question: I have been concerned for a while that, given the institutionalization of feminism and lack of awareness/support for domestic violence against men, men who stay home are setting themselves up for abuse and depression. What am I missing?Why was my post auto-removed? See the title. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/20 09:50 PM |
| 1 | The reason we have more mothers raising their children than fathers is because society facilitates motherhood better than it does fatherhoodTo spell it out a bit, when people spend time doing a role they get accustomed to it and, unless they have a reason to change, continue in it. As a result, across a larger population, actions that are differential in nature and increase the likelihood of something happening for one side, mean that side will show a higher number on average. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/20 06:59 AM |
| 7 | The reason we have more mothers raising their children than fathers is because society facilitates motherhood better than it does fatherhoodThats a nice idea but tends to ignore a lot of basic facts: About 40% of babies are born out of wedlock and of those 40%, only 35% are cohabitating. Meaning, about 25% of babies are born to a single mother where the man isn't significantly in the picture. Breastfeeding is extremely beneficial to the infant and women do this exclusively, men do not. This allows them to bond more with the baby in early stages of life. As others have already mentioned, court systems are weighted toward awarding cus… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/20 02:48 AM |
| 7 | What do you guys think of modern datingIts a pain in the ass. With the pandemic online dating is the only game in town and its rough--unless you're one of the best looking guys on there its hard to get matches, and just about all women get so many guys they don't even bother being polite. They'll drop or flake on you without much notice. Some are just on there to troll. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/20 09:43 AM |
| -1 | A message for moderators.I've seen this idiot doing it for months. She's finally dropped the guise of asking questions that just happen to reference female-supremacy content. If the mods won't ban clear trolls after months of them being here, I don't know how much hope there is for the sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/20 09:38 AM |
| 1 | Curious if others have experienced this: Pushback against men being successful financiallyWell yes, but if thats true there needs to be a mechanism it acts through. The obvious one and the one I looked at was whether their view of their role was more negative due to gendered support for staying home. According to the PHD thesis I read on this (about the only work I could find, let me know if you care enough for me to dig it up), social support for the role makes basically no difference (the correlation coefficient in the mult regression was 0.03 and obviously wasn't statistically sig… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/20 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Curious if others have experienced this: Pushback against men being successful financiallyThats pretty cool--and I suspect you've got a larger pool of info to pull from than I do. Congrats on the business | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/20 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Curious if others have experienced this: Pushback against men being successful financiallyHoly shit, a competent men's organization! Thank you!! I need to look into them more but they seem really good. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/20 07:31 AM |
| 2 | Curious if others have experienced this: Pushback against men being successful financiallytl;dr - that was long, here's my explanation for why I haven't donated and what I'd need to donate. Basically they have to support strong connection among men and/or build a unified sense of self and community without pushing our relative level of social influence very significantly below that of women/feminism (basically I think if feminism had absolute power men would be second class citizens) and it must have sufficient backing their causes rather than just moralizing. I've spent a decent b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/20 03:46 AM |
| 3 | Curious if others have experienced this: Pushback against men being successful financiallyEh, I don't think that is feminism (its existed for millions of years--men having to work at least, feminism hasn't) or, honestly, all that bad. The only longitudinal study I'm aware of shows men exhibit notably worse depression than women when staying home. (I'll edit with a link to the study when I can find it). Edit: Found it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/20 03:08 AM |
| 8 | Here is a more official survey regarding the topic of "toxic masculinity" 88% of men think it's harmful.Also this: Men’s mental positivity – which is known to be negatively correlated with suicidality – was significantly predicted by older age, a greater acceptance of traditional masculinity, and more education. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/20 01:56 AM |
| 4 | We must be doing something right. This sub is getting criticized from both right-leaning r/drama AND leftwing r/subreddit drama for the exact same post about "Believe Women"Well boys, it looks like I did it. Apologies to everyone for the incoming hate, I really didn't expect that. Edit: I think its funny the right was upset. The intention of the post was to mock how feminists were trying to play off "Believe All Women" as a right wing conspiracy theory--not to say it actually was. I think it went over their heads. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/05/20 12:00 AM |
| 9 | The framework of "toxic masculinity" identifies symptoms but will never be able to offer solutions. This means it amounts to no more than the nagging of men. Here I will offer a superior framework of masculinity which includes solutions.This is actually quite good. When I opened it, I thought it was going to be some "masculinity is evil" piece, but I actually completely agree that finding genuine strength, agency and connection (or mentoring) is what men need. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/20 08:42 PM |
| 28 | Well aren't we flexible: NY Times - "Believe All Women" is a right-wing conspiracyYes, because as we know there are lots of far-right conspirators who write for the New York Times, and that's definitely what they were publishing during #MeToo. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 09:29 PM |
| 23 | Well aren't we flexible: NY Times - "Believe All Women" is a right-wing conspiracyYou only read into this what you want to see and ignore basically the entire piece so let me help you out here: I believe that the “believe all women” vision of feminism unintentionally fetishizes women. Women are no longer human and flawed. They are Truth personified. They are above reproach. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 09:23 PM |
| 46 | Well aren't we flexible: NY Times - "Believe All Women" is a right-wing conspiracyNew York Times as of 3 years ago disagrees with you. It clearly discusses "Believe All Women" as the feminist rallying cry, and if memory serves that is entirely accurate. Ironically, the piece is arguing against feminism using this as a rallying cry because of the problems it causes. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/opinion/metoo-sexual-harassment-believe-women.html Edit: including a relevant quote from the article I believe that the “believe all women” vision of feminism unintentionally feti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Umm do you have a source for that, because this one says 75% of men don't want to stay home and it looks pretty well done. https://news.gallup.com/poll/267737/record-high-women-prefer-working-homemaking.aspx Also its worth mentioning that would you like to retire and spend time with your family is different from being a stay-at-home parent where their spouse is working. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Women don't "make themselves favored" the person reviewing the application may choose to favor them, but if that is the case that is bias and favoritism. It is not due to the action of the applicant. You haven't proved any step wrong. You've made claims you refuse to provide any logical basis or supporting evidence before. Arguing with someone who can't manage a logical, evidence based argument is a waste of time. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 06:32 PM |
| 2 | Helping men improve themselves (A community project)That sounds really good! I'd be happy to help in any way I can. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Oh god. Are you serious? How do men actually support this? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Yeah, I'd actually agree largely with your take. To me, it isn't just outcomes but also incentive structures that have to be equal. I think without that you'll only end up with equality for a brief time as both sides pass each other going different directions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Many men -- in fact a full majority of men -- actually want this [to be a homemaker] Do you have a source for this? I seriously doubt it, and I've seen surveys which suggest about 25% of men want it. Being a homemaker is awesome. Does that mean we should force it on everyone? It might be awesome for you, but if I was given a choice of this or jumping off a bridge, I'd jump off the bridge. To me, its a boring life with no chance for excitement, competition or proving myself. Others don't need t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 05:21 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Still waiting on your source...it seems like you can't actually back up your arguments with facts--all you have are opinions that have no logical or factual basis. In answer to the stupidity here: No, because as long as the labor market is fully supplied gender does not matter. And the assumption that social trends move faster than economics is dead wrong and the opposite of what I am saying. Labor markets, while "sticky" move way faster, as the last few months have shown. The only time labor ma… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Analogies are nice, do you have any logic or evidence to back it up though? | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?haha thats a reasonable criticism. I don't know any good way to tell if this is still what women want (haven't seen research) but if thats the case, this is probably true. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Thanks, its a good take and makes sense. It definitely represents a good reason why I could be wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 03:47 AM |
| 0 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Somehow you seem to think that the whole economic landscape can change in 90 years, but cultural norms can’t. I mean look at a history book to disprove your intuition. If you're going to complain about my not citing a source for this you had better have one. I have a degree in economics and am perfectly capable of understanding how labor markets adapt to changing trends. I have yet to see anything that says social trends change faster. To be clear, this does not mean we can't change the trends c… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 02:48 AM |
| 2 | Helping men improve themselves (A community project)As someone who was in a place like this, a few thoughts: I think No More Mr. Nice Guy (a book) is an excellent guide for this and helps push men in the right direction. Basically, it advocates being true to yourself, not working to please others, finding your morals and sticking to them. It was written by a psychologist who wanted to do much the same as you. Where I think that book falls short is that it can't really reach you when you're seriously depressed. A lot of the guys you're talking abo… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 02:19 AM |
| 2 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?For sure. And just like the idea that women can only be home makers, librarians or school teachers, it would be equally oppressive if men were pigeonholed into such narrow occupations also. Agreed. This is basically the point of the post: Im concerned that if we don't keep the norm for men working outside the home, current trends are going to make only being a homemaker a norm which will be very hard to escape. Not immediately, but over about 100 years. It won't just be that men have the option … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?Hey thanks for taking the time to respond. I think a decent bit of this was answered in the post, but to quickly respond: What is 'traditional masculinity'? Its complex overall, but for the purposes of the post, it is the idea that men should work and staying home isn't seen as a positive choice. I think we are a LONG way from that point, but honestly, what's wrong with that? Agreed we're a long ways off from it (at least 90 years). There are several problems with this. The first is that its… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Concern on gender roles and feminism. Does anyone else see this as a potential issue?That seems to be a generalization. From a functional standpoint, both automation and increases in female participation in the labor force (about 27% of women stay home now) could account for a lot of that. Edit: also, Bernie Sanders had the highest support of any candidate among millennials. Its not clear how much longer we will have capitalism. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 01:01 AM |
| 14 | An excellent analysis of the new Title XI regulations, from a Harvard Law professorBut why focus on the complexity of reality when you could embrace the simplicity and support of feminist dogma? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/20 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Do you think there is any possibility of having a reasonable, cohesive men's advocacy movement?In answer to whether we can form a viable movement, I think the answer is yes. Men have led most of the major political movements in history and there's no reason we can't do another. That said, I think we need to address a couple things first: It can't be explicitly left-leaning politically. The left is largely viewed as pro-feminist and thus anti-men by many of the men who are active enough in the space to be willing to advocate for men. Doesn't mean you can't incorporate some left-leaning val… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/20 07:09 AM |
| 1 | From 2018: Feminist, peer-reviewed journals publish fake papers (link to NY Times article on this in the comments)Yeah the article is just for proof it happened and wasn't a youtube hoax | /r/MensRights | 07/05/20 11:53 PM |
| 2 | From 2018: Feminist, peer-reviewed journals publish fake papers (link to NY Times article on this in the comments)From the NY Times | /r/MensRights | 07/05/20 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Mental toughness (which can be developed) may protect against depression: Elevated stress was only correlated with higher levels of depression among those with low mental toughnessThey used several long questionaires (which are very accurate, see below). How exactly did you expect them to measure it? The measurements are accurate. Here's research on the accuracy of the tools used: The depression inventory used has very high accuracy and is a common tool to diagnose and determine severity of depression (study on it). Mental Toughness Questionaire study. That too was evaluated and found to be a valid and accurate test. You didn't ask about it, but the evaluation for stress … | /r/MensRights | 02/05/20 12:33 AM |
| 0 | How are men seen (by people you know) for exhibiting personal strength and power?Thats fair. TBH, I had a bit of trouble defining it myself and spent some time googling about an hour after I posted. What I was really going for (will update description) was mental toughness ("grit", just not in the clinical sense since those definitions seem a bit different). | /r/MensRights | 01/05/20 03:10 AM |
| 0 | How are men seen (by people you know) for exhibiting personal strength and power?Umm...wtf. English lessons might help here | /r/MensRights | 01/05/20 01:36 AM |
| 1 | The crisis for men is here, and no one gives a single fuck.Thanks! | /r/MensRights | 01/05/20 12:41 AM |
| 0 | How are men seen (by people you know) for exhibiting personal strength and power?Not sure if you're a native English speaker, but argue doesn't mean to disagree with the intention of starting an altercation in this context. It means to believe something different | /r/MensRights | 01/05/20 12:40 AM |
| 1 | The crisis for men is here, and no one gives a single fuck.Wtf??? Have you ever heard of the special olympics? | /r/MensRights | 01/05/20 12:07 AM |
| 2 | The crisis for men is here, and no one gives a single fuck.One fairly simple idea that could lay the groundwork for fixing this, and is doable on a small scale, is creating and growing men's sports leagues. Its not going to fix the problem overnight, but here's why it helps: It helps build community among men, which means we will be able to better support each other Strong within-group ties have been shown to be essential for laying the groundwork for social change. Exercise helps prevent and reduce depression. Because men will build stronger ties with … | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 10:49 PM |
| 1 | How are men seen (by people you know) for exhibiting personal strength and power?This is more about what is happening than what "should" happen. That said, I'd argue that both men and women can be seen as strong and still be seen as equal. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 10:29 PM |
| 2 | Raging Golden Eagle's Blade Devil campaign about to endI am contributing to my own country--food banks mostly. Also buying gift certificates from small businesses. I agree that helping my own community is more important, but I also think that lots of money is going toward this already, so my donations won't make a big difference. When I find areas where my money has an impact I will absolutely give locally before giving overseas. As I find areas where there isn't enough funding I will give more. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/04/20 09:34 PM |
| 9 | Raging Golden Eagle's Blade Devil campaign about to endGiven all of the people who are starving or suffering from disease in the world right now, I'll be donating there--not to some guy who wants to make anime. Edit: my donations are mostly going to fight malaria in Africa | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/04/20 03:51 PM |
| 2 | Hello guys!I want men to be able to be seen positively for being strong, resilient/gritty, capable and successful. Not just men, but to have men included in this. I think the good parts of masculinity were thrown out with toxic masculinity and I want to bring those back. Not the domination or aggression or unwillingness to appear weak, just the ability to be strong, resilient, capable and successful. Also reducing suicide would be good. No. I know plenty of feminists who support it for the equality piece a… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:45 PM |
| 3 | Have you guys ever dated a feminist? How did it go? Did you argue about it?Over 30, most women that are not taken are feminists. I wonder whether this is due to women who can't find men ending up hating men or whether its because us guys really don't want feminists and won't marry them. I'd guess probably some of both. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:31 PM |
| 2 | Have you guys ever dated a feminist? How did it go? Did you argue about it?I know a lot of her past experiences, I dated her best friend for a while and was friends with her for several years (prob 8 if you include time we were at different colleges). It came from being in an academic environment for a decade where the messaging she got was constantly how evil men were. Combine that with working on air pollution and all of a sudden "pollution is the fault of men". | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Have you guys ever dated a feminist? How did it go? Did you argue about it?Yeah, you're correct. Thats what she was upset about. Apparently its all men's fault. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:24 PM |
| 2 | Have you guys ever dated a feminist? How did it go? Did you argue about it?Nope. I really do mean fracking. She was researching air pollution. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:24 PM |
| 2 | Possibly unpopular question...what should norms be for men?...or go somewhere that "my place" is different | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Possibly unpopular question...what should norms be for men?I wouldn't disagree with you on that. However, I'd argue that women seem to have that now, while men completely lack it. Developing these characteristics among men in no way precludes women from having them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Possibly unpopular question...what should norms be for men?Curious, why then do you think men shouldn't strive to be resilient or strong? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 03:48 AM |
| 10 | Have you guys ever dated a feminist? How did it go? Did you argue about it?1 date. About halfway through dinner (I'd known her for a while before we went out, hence dinner on the first date) she starts ranting about how men are evil because they do fracking and when they frack they spread STDs everywhere they go. This might have been better if we hadn't met due to a mutual friend who does fracking and is a woman. After that I was very polite, made sure I didn't make any physical contact, and never went out with her again. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Possibly unpopular question...what should norms be for men?Im thinking of character traits, which I think would be descriptive. I'll update the post | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 03:25 AM |
| 1 | "Woman has a GRIM way of beating coronavirus" - The Sun describes drinking semen as GRIM. Think they'd describe cunnilingus as "grim"? 🤔I always wonder about these "feminists against sex" type articles...it seems like a great way of killing off the movement in the long-run | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 01:28 AM |
| 1 | "Unmarried women with no kids are the "healthiest and happiest" population subgroup, says the expert" | Thoughts on this?A deleted tweet probably isn't a very accurate source. Anything to back up the assertion? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/20 03:47 PM |
| 1 | "Unmarried women with no kids are the "healthiest and happiest" population subgroup, says the expert" | Thoughts on this?This is the sort of view that is self-correcting in a few generations. By definition, the people who believe having no kids makes for a better life don't reproduce | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/20 02:45 AM |
| 1 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongIf it was a genuine question, it means you can't manage to read the sub name or sub description, and you went into a post to ask people what their sub is about. Somehow I seriously doubt anyone is that stupid, but maybe you're right and I should make an exception in your case. Assuming it wasn't a genuine question, the question serves as a statement which means left-leaning men cannot be strong--which is absolutely something to take offense at. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/20 01:23 PM |
| 1 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongSays the guy swearing... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/20 03:33 AM |
| 1 | What is your retirement plan?Depends how my life plays out. Probably in my 40s or 50s. Depends what country I settle in | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/20 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongWhat does that have to do with this? Are you saying men shouldn't have a right to be strong? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/20 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongAnd what, you have to be weak if you're a man and lean left? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/20 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongPrimarily a subjective psychological state--although I think this is transmitted to your environment through nonverbals and actions. Through this, it determines the roles one seeks and accepts, how one is seen by others, and thus in many ways, life outcomes | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/20 03:24 PM |
| 2 | Honest question: Men's support for inequality in who is allowed to be strongThanks man. Im glad Im not the only one who thinks this way. On the cause, I'd argue that since men almost everywhere are strong and powerful (at least in less-developed societies, Im pretty sure if you go to Sweden thats not the case) we'd have at least as strong a biological imperative to push back against this as to support what women want. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/20 05:04 AM |
| 1 | So apparently banning white male students from being allowed to speak in college classes is a popular idea...It would seem it is time for me to leave. This is fucking ridiculous, it shouldn't be that hard to find a country men are not oppressed in | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/20 04:29 AM |
| 1 | I’m trapped! thanks to RobinHood trading appNot unless they're corrupt also. In theory legal protections should insulate your money from their bankruptcy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/04/20 04:25 AM |
| 1 | I’m trapped! thanks to RobinHood trading appI think they're "legit" in that the business isn't crooked. That said, I think it is run very badly by people who don't understand the industry they work in. I wrote another comment on this post that details a few of the issues I see | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/04/20 12:35 AM |
| 4 | I’m trapped! thanks to RobinHood trading appRobinhood is technically legit, but its very, very badly run. I wouldn't trust putting my money there. The idiots in charge have had a number of problems they have covered up very badly, including (but definitely not limited to): Not understanding the basics of how brokerage insurance works (this is basically the equivalent of a mechanic not knowing what a timing belt is) Their underlying software is buggy and breaks in ways that cost people thousands of dollars (here's one of the more minor one… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/04/20 12:33 AM |
| 2 | Apparently “man caves” are sexist, according to my girlfriendSounds like its time for a new girlfriend. Finding ones that aren't trash really isnt that hard | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 07:24 AM |
| 3 | What are your thoughts on stay-at-home dads? Are any of you one? Can you offer any advice to a man considering that path?In general, studies I have seen suggest men are happier when working than staying home under almost all circumstances, and work related factors massively outweigh all others in contributing to confidence, happiness, agency, etc. Its your life and you can choose to do what you want. But I would be very, very sure this is the path you want to follow because most men do not end up better off for the choice and it may be very hard to go back to work later if you want to. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/20 12:23 AM |
| 2 | Men's Rights in America is Dead.tl;dr - Wrote a lot hoping this could help others. Basically I think feminism is present in Ireland but a lot calmer and girls are a lot less hateful. They are doing much more with imposing feminist laws/regulations though. Mexico - supports feminism but I haven't been able to see any changes its actually created. Czech Republic is anti-feminist, cheap to live in and a beautiful country. By the time we're old (for young adults) I bet it will catch or pass the US in life expectancy, but currently… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/20 12:12 AM |
| 1 | From a group that has created ~50 social and political revolutions (CANVAS): Understanding pillars of powerFull series is here: https://canvasopedia.org/cartoon-training/ | /r/MensRights | 23/03/20 07:06 AM |
| 2 | Men's Rights in America is Dead.Where would you go? I've been looking at this also and the three best answers I've come up with are: Czechia (Czech Republic) Mexico Ireland (maybe) | /r/MensRights | 23/03/20 06:48 AM |
| 3 | r/GenderCynical is a sub I can get behind.I don't see much that makes it good. They don't have a hate boner for trans people like genderCritical but otherwise there's nothing remarkable. They still hate anyone who doesn't subscribe 100% to the far left platform. Just look at comments on here https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/fn4szn/we_might_be_witnessing_a_new_ideological_pipeline/ | /r/MensRights | 23/03/20 06:22 AM |
| 2 | Question: What actions can men can take that are seen as both positive for men to do and are seen as higher value by society?I was thinking in terms of more concrete actions/goals but that is an interesting way to look at it. What you're describing seems to me to be more or less traditional masculinity. I honestly can't tell where we're at with that--Im not sure if its still alive or not. That said, if it isn't, I don't know that anything replaced it. I would agree on the traits that aren't valued and should be, and the ones we would do well to shed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/20 05:41 AM |
| 8 | Where questionable feminist pay gap statistics come fromHah yeah. By this logic no one would ever retire | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/20 02:03 AM |
| 3 | Wealth Inequalityr/lostredditors | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/20 01:33 AM |
| 7 | CNN lying and trying to weaponize feminism against Bernie in debateI don't know that I was going to vote for Bernie before, but I am now | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/20 02:15 AM |
| 1 | 2019 PayScale Pay Gap Report: When earnings are adjusted for job worked and years of experience, the pay gap is 2%No, its all reports. Full- and part-time I think | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 02:18 AM |
| 3 | 2019 PayScale Pay Gap Report: When earnings are adjusted for job worked and years of experience, the pay gap is 2%From the report: What is the gender pay gap once all compensable factors such as experience, industry and job level are accounted for? It’s still not zero. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 02:00 AM |
| 4 | Educated black women are having problems finding successful men to marry. Are men actually intimidated by women who earn more than them, or do women just have a hard time dating down?I'd be intimidated by a woman who makes more than me. They already have extremely strong cultural advocacy squarely on their side, if I don't make more I seriously doubt we will end up having an equal relationship | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/20 03:19 AM |
| 1 | My Concern About Feminism. Is it valid?That seems pretty horrible, although I don't know they're trying to take it that far. Even if they are, I doubt it will get there. It seems there's a fairly repeatable cross-cultural bias in favor of at least masculine looking men | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/20 03:17 AM |
| 6 | My Concern About Feminism. Is it valid?Thats very well said. I think their leadership understands what is going on, even if it isn't their primary goal, I think they are happy to take as much power as they think they reasonably can | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/01/20 02:04 AM |
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