Hello guys!

Ody_ssey · 2020-04-30T08:12:22+00:00

I. I don't think men really have rights by default in every 1st world country.

In USA, men have to enlist in military to get eligible for right to vote.
Draft evasion in South Korea is a jail time.
In Finland, any Finnish man who refuses to perform both military and civilian service faces a penalty of 173 days in prison, minus any served days. Such sentences are usually served fully in prison, with no parole.
Other penalities include no government jobs, no driving license, no scholarships and no student loan.
In Austria, 6 months mandatory military training is not counted in your CV because they say that will be sexist towards women. Logic?

I don't know about every country where military conscription is mandatory but it is clear that men in many 1st world countries get rights if they earn it and not earning it is punishable by law so they have to earn it anyway.

Men don't get educational benefits of military conscription either. Those years are counted as lost and once they come back, they have to start education for better career opportunities else face poverty.

Spain doesn't have due process for accused men. If the accuser is a woman, she is believed. The accuser gets his house, scholarship and compensation.

In any other 1st world country, consider your life to be over if you have been falsely accused and you are a male. No anonymity to the accused is given.

II. I don't believe all feminism is evil. The part of which is not evil is not addressed by mainstream media. The radical feminism is a mainstream feminism which is addressed by every institution and does benefit 50% population.

III. To have rights equal to women.

IV. Women only scholarships and workshops in STEM. Why? Women get due process in Title IX but men don't. No punishment for false accusers. Female paedophiles are released on probation when victim is underage boy. Even media says it as "having sex" instead of rape.

V. An echo chamber of radical feminists man hating sub loved by media.

Masterchefpetyofficr · 2020-04-30T08:15:53+00:00

Men may have rights, but that doesn’t mean we have equal rights to that of women. Women have many rights then don’t have as well as the rights we do have. Women have the right to a fair trial, they get the right to presumed innocence, in fact they are the only people who have that . Black men certainly don’t. Black women by the nature of racism are more ‘suspicious’ than their white counterparts, white men are men so by default they are probable murderers/child abusers/ rapists. Women also get a much reduced sentence, a long with the much reduced chance they will be arrested or sentenced in the first place.

Men do not have the right to bodily autonomy. - our reproductive rights are almost non existent. The draft, being forced in almost every country, selective service and forced service are forced In ‘feminist’ countries like Norway. But only for men

Courts are extremely biased towards women. Again, men don’t get the right to a fair trial, and women can use accusations of rape/domestic violence/ child abuse , to get the result they want.

Rape. Well this is a fun one. Again men do not get the right to a fair trial and it’s none more obvious than here. Even the accusation of rape can ruin a mans life, and a university or job is law bound to remove a student or employee if he’s male, based on that accusation. The media loves to publish names of accused , which also ruin the mans life.

A man is required by law to pay for the child of his partner, (this also includes children she has with other men without his knowledge) for 18 years, regardless of wether he wanted a child or not. Even raped Male children are legally bound to pay for the child that comes from their rapist. Rape of men is a joke, made fun of, ignored, police don’t listen to accusations made at women and they certainly don’t expel women from schools or work based on them.

Abortion is not related to rights of men, as we are not able to, therefore it’s not legitimate to compare a right we can never have to others, even though you could say that the right to not be forced into parenthood or paying for a child you didn’t want or know about would be nice.

In short, women in the west have all the rights men have, and rights we don’t. This is factual knowledge.

I don’t hate feminists, I dislike them, as they use cherry picked facts and statistics from biased sources to promote an incorrect view that punishes the entirety of my sex/gender based on the wrongdoings of a few, that ain’t limited to us, in fact women are the majority of child abusers and murderers, where is the social justice warriors focus on that, they want men to admit that they are a problem, whilst ignoring that women are even more of a problem.
My goal is to remove the sexism against men and double standards. And remove the sexist laws that are promoted by feminists and feminist groups.
Both work and universities promote ‘wokeness’ by promoting ‘positive discrimination’ which is basically discriminating against men when hiring

Women are constantly put higher than men, how would you feel growing up if your entire gender is pushed as ‘violent , abusive’, mothers have attacked their Male child because they didn’t want them to grow up to be rapists, that’s literally what they said, they assumed that their child would rape women (not men because many people believe rape is exclusive to women).

R/Feminism is a hypocritical, sexist, and discriminatory sub.

gratis_eekhoorn · 2020-04-30T11:40:12+00:00

i love how the same post op made in r/Feminism got removed instantly lmao

Lion_amongst_gods · 2020-04-30T09:15:57+00:00

Please use a descriptive title.

Men have rights in almost every country. Well, so do women. Men also have a lack of rights in almost every country. That's the part - the non-existent rights part - I'm passively fighting for.
No. Because both the terms become subjective at some point. Add to that people who "support feminism" by action but not "identify as feminist" and vice versa. It's a rough generalization. In fact, you'll see more content from "The factual feminist" on this sub than on the feminism sub.
To achieve certain specific rights (legal and social) that women already enjoy or men are denied.
Right to not be accused of rape, right to certain gender-based welfare benefits, ministries, commissions, global organizations, preferential treatment in education and employment, dedicated coaches in trains, right to anonymity...
Not an open-minded place with room for free thought.

ShawshankRetention · 2020-04-30T08:38:53+00:00

Mostly recognition of male victims of domestic abuse, equality, stoping the systematic belliteling of men in media and offering value and encouragement to boys.
No.
I dont see any reachable goal in my lifetime. Things are going worse. This is futile i guess, but i cannot picture myself as doing nothing. Perhaps it is a fight for the sake of my peace of mind, knowing i did not let things go sour while not fighting.
In all domain, women are propped up. I have many personnal stories i share to people i know in real life about treatement in academic. But my killer bullet is simply asking feminist about their friends and familiy member of the same generation, and tell me who is doing better. I may be in a place where thing are skewed, but by asking them first to think about their relatives, i avoid the apex fallacycand they usually start to find that things are not exactly as they were told.
I actually already answered here : https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gark6c/what_is_your_opinion_on_rfeminism/fp1fr4k/

EricAllonde · 2020-04-30T08:11:15+00:00

What part of men's rights do you think you are fighting for? I'm not an expert, but from what I know, men have rights in almost every country.

In western countries like the USA, men have fewer legal rights than women do. We simply want equal rights for both genders. You know, the thing that feminists say they want but are actually lying about?

Do you believe ALL feminists are evil?

No. But the insane, lying, man-hating feminists certainly do give the other 5% a bad name.

What do you think of r/Feminism

Heavily censored cancer. The North Korea of Reddit: free speech is verboten, differing opinions are banned and it's full of horrible, authoritarian people who want to control others and force the rest of the world to fall into line with their ideology. A societal cesspit.

Ironwarrior29 · 2020-04-30T12:23:34+00:00

I hate to tell you, but you'll be instantly permabanned from r/feminism

mellainadiba · 2020-04-30T09:00:13+00:00

Regardless of if you are trolling or not I would suggest the easiest way to learn is from factual feminists short 3 min vids each by Christina Hoff Summers. For quick points check out my threads

Check this out for starters:

DO men need to check their privelage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRsYwu8uD4I

Karen strauss is another person if you like her style instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L254KuLx-4Y

Oncefa2 · 2020-04-30T09:25:45+00:00

FYI there's a new sub /r/AskTheMRAs/.

You'll probably get the same answers that you already got here. But if you have more in the future I'm sure they'd be glad to have you over there.

imbecile · 2020-04-30T12:57:48+00:00

I just would like for men to die less. Most men's rights issues are literally a question of life and death at their core. From the legislation and legal practice around violence, working deaths, suicides, conscription and war, health issues ...
If you are an informed and activist feminist, I consider you the equivalent of being a member of the nazi party. If you just call yourself a feminist and support feminism, I consider you the equivalent of a nazi voter.
Equality before the law. Which also means that the laws and policies themselves need to be neutral.
Laws and policies written expilcitly in their favor. Courts and institutions openly acting and designed for their benefit and advantage. Billions of funding both from private and public coffers specifically for women and no one else.
A nice self-social distancing effort.

hereforsolidarity · 2020-04-30T16:00:11+00:00

Actual equality. No female parent favouritism in courts, no "ALL MEN ARE TRASH" idiots allowed to have a voice, no more all men being painted as villains. I want men to be seen as equal to women in the ways we're not, and women to be seen equal to men in the ways they're not. (There's still a ton of misogyny around.(
No. MANY feminists are evil. Delusional. Vicious idiots. But most of my friends are feminists and they're nothing like the ones I despise. I have ONE friend who teeters close to that edge, but isn't quite over on the other side yet. I would call these friends egalitarians, not feminists. They are ACTUALLY up for equality. Not female supremacy.
My goal is to counter every "GR ONLY MEN DO THIS, ALL MEN DO THIS, BLAH BLAH BLAH" thing with "well, women do it too" until the playing field levels.
Women are favoured in family courts, in divorces, are more likely to believed when claiming rape/abuse, are less likely to be seen as rapists/abusers, and so much more. It's not really a list of opportunities but more like advantages they have.
Never looked. I'm afraid to.

-Network_Reunited · 2020-04-30T16:04:07+00:00

Being an MRA gets you banned in r/Feminism but being a feminist doesn't get you banned in r/MensRights

enough said!

iiTrainBoi · 2020-04-30T08:23:22+00:00

Did I seriously get downvoted lol

Turtenguin · 2020-04-30T14:30:07+00:00

Ill throw in a bit for #1. Basically, theres a whole ton of social and cultural rights women have but men dont, but regarding actual legal rights, written in law, in the us, women objectively have more rights. The only gendered laws (as far as Im aware) in the states are regarding the military draft, rape, and parental rights, all of which give women more legal rights then men. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg, theres thousands of other issues with the way our society and governments treat men, these are just things that are written into law

mrkeifer86 · 2020-04-30T15:02:08+00:00

All these comments are on point. But if you want a further study to look to go on YouTube and watch "the red pill".

smeltaway · 2020-04-30T15:45:03+00:00

I want men to be able to be seen positively for being strong, resilient/gritty, capable and successful. Not just men, but to have men included in this. I think the good parts of masculinity were thrown out with toxic masculinity and I want to bring those back. Not the domination or aggression or unwillingness to appear weak, just the ability to be strong, resilient, capable and successful. Also reducing suicide would be good.
No. I know plenty of feminists who support it for the equality piece and treat men well and think of men as people, rather than "the enemy". Unfortunately, I also know a lot who don't.
See #1.
College--boys are discriminated against in grades in much the same way women are in getting jobs. Even though our test scores are equivalent, there's a "college gap" (in attendance) of 10% or so. Men also generally receive less social support for the same successes (ie promotions) and attacks (ie domestic violence) women do and less support overall.
I haven't seen much of the sub but what little I've seen focuses more on equality than discrimination and I like that. Not saying the discriminatory parts are OK--they're not--but the equality parts are good.

BogDweller2 · 2020-05-01T00:24:21+00:00

Sorry about my sentence structure, I am not good at that.

Nice to see someone who is open to hearing this side, we need more people like you hearing both sides of the argument before choosing a side.

As for your questions, I only have an answer for the first one. Male victims of rape and domestic violence are not taken seriously, thinking of the # metoo movement when terry crews came forward about his experience getting raped, and people just laughed. I routinely see men getting hit by women (who I assume) they are dating and having no punitive action taken against them. On a similar note, during this pandemic, I only ever see recognition and aid for female victims.

uwuwuh2h3ue827 · 2020-04-30T12:52:50+00:00

Fuck off Nigger

uwuwuh2h3ue827 · 2020-04-30T13:17:21+00:00

Your name is fucking i trans boy your ass probably a dude with an alt account

Title	Hello guys!
Author	iiTrainBoi
Upvotes	45
Comments	46
Date	April 30, 2020 7:11 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gaqyor/hello_guys/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/hello-guys.853775 https://theredarchive.com/post/853775

Comments