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thedeadpill/r/MGTOW18/08/19 03:55 PM
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Question For Womenthedeadpill/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:11 PM
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Yeah, I could have formulated the question better to get better answers. Hindsight is 20/20. That said, I probably won't bother; there's some pretty rude people in this thread who don't seem to have any nuance in their answers, and would rather be insulting than curious. The reason why I don't think men and women's reasons are necessarily the same is 1) that men and women are different, and 2) that neither men nor women are monoliths, and that their reasons just might be different. I can't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:51 PM
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Maybe. It's possible that I've worded the question inadequately, or that this is a poor forum to find answers other than "sex is fun, that's why I do it."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:36 PM
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You are being disingenuous and inflammatory. In numerous other comment branches, I've described reasons other than pleasure that people might engage in hook-ups. My motivation is curiosity about something I took for granted ("it's because sex is fun" was the only reason), but it's clear that you aren't someone that is going to provide answers, nor do you seem capable of conceiving that there could be other answers given the frame of your answers being "it's only pleasure, are you stupid?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:34 PM
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It's not inevitably health. The people working out for aesthetics are not necessarily healthy. Longevity is not improved by putting on a ton of muscle mass (the longest lived people are more slender; it turns out that heart failure is roughly the same when you're 250 lbs of lean muscle as 250 lbs with higher body fat percentage). Yes, of course I understand that sex is enjoyable for (most) men and (most) women. Enjoyment seems to be the order, but I never asked them deeper questions about it. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:23 PM
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That certainly seems to be the most common answer, but it doesn't mean it's the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:16 PM
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Some people do the same things as others for different reasons. Let's take an analogy: Working out. Some people work out because of health and longevity. Other people work out for aesthetics (including to the point of anti-health and longevity with steroids and other PEDs). Some people do it because it 'just kind of makes them feel good.' The most common reason is "I enjoy sex" but there, you know, could be other reasons, and the only way we could know is ask. Just because you have your reason d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:15 PM
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Men know why men (who have casual sex) like having casual sex. That doesn't mean that men know why women have casual sex. In another comment branch, someone mentioned that people who work out do it for "the obvious reason" and I think that belies an interesting point: people do the same thing often do it for different reasons. You're treating women like a monolith here, where they all have the exact same reason to do the same thing, and I think that's not necessarily the case. So far the answers…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:06 PM
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That's not what I was asking. I was asking "why do you like sex?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:03 PM
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That's certainly the most obvious answer. I don't necessarily believe that all women who do hook up are doing it for the obvious answer. Like, take your analogy of working out: Some people work out for health and longevity, other people work out for aesthetics including to the detriment of health and longevity by doing PEDs. Other people do it for some blanket feeling it gives them or because of correlated cognitive improvements. The question was 'why' for people who work out hook up. The only w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:02 PM
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I feel like I should stress this isn't about me personally; I do just fine, and have healthy relationships with women (which hasn't always been the case historically). There was a question for men a day or two ago that asked "What do you think is in it for women," formulated with the same objections and I felt like that asking men was adding too much of a layer to the actual question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:57 PM
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I feel like I should stress this isn't about me personally; I do just fine, and have healthy relationships with women (which hasn't always been the case historically). There was a question for men a day or two ago that asked "What do you think is in it for women," formulated with the same objections and I felt like that asking men was adding too much of a layer to the actual question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:57 PM
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Lots of women don't do hook-ups. There was a question for men a day or two ago that asked "What do you think is in it for women," formulated with the same objections and I felt like that asking men was adding too much of a layer to the actual question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:55 PM
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Some people seem to think slut-shaming is significant, and An Issue™, and I thought I'd include it in the question just as a boilerplate reason not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:35 PM
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Yes, interesting for me. Oh right, I forgot that women can't post questions for women on this sub, because reasons...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:08 PM
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I think at the end of the day, though, your question belies a hidden point: You ask of men, essentially, "why should I?" Women aren't a monolith. The answer to "why should I?" is going to be highly variable. The ones I mentioned are the ones I've encountered in hookups, but there are almost certainly others, some of them that people are hesitant to discuss. I think a more interesting thread would be "Women who hook up: Why do you do it?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:59 AM
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Part of your thesis is that men who want casual sex are not at all interested in the pleasure of their partner. You're simply incorrect. Of all the men I know, every single one of them wants their partner, casual or committed, to enjoy themselves as well. What are men offering? Some amount of pleasure can be had from a partner rather than being alone, even if the orgasm isn't as "reliable" as it is alone. Some women have kinks about being used (a different variety of pleasure), and that would re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:41 PM
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So, if I'm reading this correctly, roughly in order, men's issues aren't the responsibility of the left, that the left is instead concerned with economic equality rather than social equality (support for women, BIPOC and First Nations people notwithstanding), that women's attempted suicide is more important than men's successful/completed suicide, that men are still violent oppressors 'at every level of society' and that you don't need men's votes or allyship. Cool, once again, struggles not rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:48 PM
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I think meek guys finish last. Men who are too servile, and want affection at any cost. Men with low self-esteem. The truth of the matter, IME, is that you can be tall and attractive and still get nothing not because you're too nice, but because you don't stand out and you're too eager to please. You're too easy. One of the things RP gets right (in an accidental cargo cult sort of way) is abundance mentality. The actual behaviour you need to develop here is to have some self-respect and walk awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:11 PM
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I think the left has ceded this territory to the right. It can be part of a left-wing agenda: Left-wingers are supposed to be defined by social equality and progress, and what could be more equality-oriented and progressive than -- through policy research and action -- lowering the male suicide rate so that it's on par with other demographics? We are constantly raising other demographics up: We worry about women's pay being equal, we worry about women's safety being equal, we worry about women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:03 PM
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Nothing. But, they promise to end socialist policies for all, which would presumably be a lighter tax burden. I don't think that they'll actually do it, though. I think right-wing politicians are grifters and oligarch-supporters. I would say young men are being fooled into voting right wing, and their support comes entirely from the right-wingers saying "we don't hate you for being men and boys" which is a low bar, but one the left continues to limbo under. Edit to add: The young men who aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:52 AM
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Suicide, homelessness, addiction, lack of education and now joblessness disproportionately affect men. See other branch of the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:45 AM
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I've gotten tons of pushback. I'm a useful shield as a minority when someone wants to make a point, but when I'm in dire straits, I'm told to check my privilege and that there are demographics that have priority because they have it worse (this is commonly called "intersectionality", I'm certain you've heard of it). As for our problems: Men are getting less educated. Men kill themselves more than women. Men are more likely to be homeless. Men are more likely to have substance abuse disorders. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:21 AM
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The left absolutely abandoned men and especially boys. I am not an austere conservative by nature, but, the political environment in Canada has made me apolitical with some right-wing views. Historically, I've been as radical left as they come, especially when it comes to workers rights and social support. But, left wing politicos thought idpol and gender warfare were more important than class warfare, and the social support I wanted for everyone never came to people like me. The manosphere woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:14 PM
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Vaguely related, but it tickles my funny bone that the app is dedicated to women being able to dox men in their area, but after the hack dropped, they were tremendously upset that they were also doxxed by hackers. Whether it proves pareto efficiency in mating is a bit beside the whole point. We are (as a society) still in denial that men need help for anything, and I expect dating is much further down the list, well behind productivity and other things that are more beneficial to society than th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:30 PM
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I think this highly depends on your region. I live in a large municipality, and the 'normie' women as you put it are very anti-patriarchal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 06:00 PM
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You write that men are dropping the ball, but, I think women are at least half to blame as well. I don’t have hard numbers, but, there is a lot of casual misandry, and I think men are waking up to the idea that they can just be single, and that it just isn’t worth it. It’s the reification of the “yeah sex is cool, but have you ever X” where X is some simple or trivial pleasure meme that circulated more than half a decade ago. There is constant messaging that men aren’t good enough and worthy of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:43 PM
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Well, this is the smorgasbord of people you meet. Many women are very interesting, passionate, and have interests and hobbies. I married (and later divorced) one. However, I meet a lot of women who are, as you put it, boring and not very interesting or pleasant. Both exists. I have a pet theory that people who are in the dating market meet many of the 'boring' variety, especially if they're in their 30s or 40s after most of the interesting ones are taken and mostly kept.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:27 PM
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To be clear, though, I do think they're both 'attractive'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:59 PM
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I'm going to hazard a guess that the things women like, they really like. If you're the guy on the left, more women are kind of into you, but if you're on the right, fewer women into you, and those ones are very into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:39 PM
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You're essentially saying (mostly) "end simping"... Realistically, do you see that happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:28 PM
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Bro, we are not Spartans from 2500 years ago. If you live in North America or Europe, socialists aren't going to make you leave your baby on the hillside to die. You are being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:28 PM
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I feel like I'm getting trolled, here. If you're a conspiracy theorist with worries about socialist fluoride in the water or whatever, I've got nothing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:09 PM
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OP, I'm not blue pill, but, it's unclear what you're asking. If you're suggesting that because your son was born premature, that they're somehow doomed to a worse life... there are lots of factors of what goes into a 'successful' life. Your postal code is a more reliable indicator to your son's future than whether they were born premature. From one parent to another: Get your head on straight about what you can actually affect. You cannot control that your son was born premature, and you cannot …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 05:53 PM
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I'm not suggesting he's an enemy or anything. Just that he has a very traditional view of things. Perhaps he's just being realistic about societal levers, and how they probably won't act for men's benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:57 PM
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Patriarchy is simply a society structured around male needs and wants and this society absolutely is. I truly don't think this is the case, unless you're extremely wealthy. The rest of the post is just you repeating your points. You say that nuclear families prioritize men as the 'king of the castle', but that wasn't my experience in my marriage. And, why are marriage rates declining so much? Do you think it's that women are opting out of a structure that's "awful to them" or do you think men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:56 PM
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I didn't say this was universal. Just my experience dating, especially on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:49 PM
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Strong disagree. This whole idea of 'patriarchy' and how being a man is strictly more advantageous than being a woman is unbearably naive. There are advantages to being a man, for sure, but, you're not actually looking at any outcomes here. Despite all the crash tests allegedly modeled around men, the medical care allegedly geared to men and all the awful things that beset women, women still (with the exception of a few societies) outlive men the world over. Further, there are endless examples i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:16 PM
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I have. I'm agnostic about the conclusions. However, I think the comments section is really telling. Most of them are that (1) The two guests are a boomer millionaire and a woman who works for Hinge and what the fuck do they know about being a struggling Millennial or Zoomer, (2) that men are struggling -- and women are most affected, and (3) that the solution is... what? For men to "do better." Number 3 grinds my gears the most. That men's issues are viewed as personal failures, and that we jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:02 PM
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Many people, between 30 and 60. I would also want to say, I am not privileging my own hobbies and excluding ones that I'm not interested in; if you want to crochet or are interested in a sport that I don't have any desire to do, I would absolutely count that as a hobby. I live in a large Canadian city, and it's simply the case, and I don't know how to prove it otherwise. I think that in terms of dating, there's also selection bias. I'm in my 40s, and the capable ones with hobbies and sanity are …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:52 PM
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I won't hazard any guesses on what made this a consistent experience, I'll call out the following things that turned me off dating (especially on apps) and women in general. Obligatory #notallwomen, there are plenty of 'good ones' out there. The vast majority of women I've met are entitled and useless. Though the six-six-six rule is an internet exaggeration, a lot of them want you to be above average wealth, fitness, and have some pretty harsh beauty standards. Yet, simultaneously, they don't br…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:00 PM
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I wouldn't push the button. I'm already tall, handsome, confident and charming. I don't know what this question is about, except to 'prove' blackpill positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:13 PM
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I don't want to paint with a broad brush, but... probably a dealbreaker. Books and literature are a huge part of my life. I'm open to the idea that they can't read because of something (like they're both blind and can't use braille because their hands are amputated or something). If they're just daft, it's a no go.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:12 AM
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Though the OP's post is flaired as a debate, I think it's more of an observation. I'll agree that I offered a non-point to your discussion with the person you were replying to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:40 PM
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When I say boring, I don't mean that I need them to be a marauding skyship pirate or something. I mean that they need to have interests other than The Office, eating at sit-down restaurants, and astrology. I'm not saying it's all women, either. Just, you know, most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:18 PM
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Because there's no reason to? Your query presupposes that romantic relationships are necessary or even desirable. I think a lot of men question that premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:48 PM
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I think this is a big part of it. Lots of men are waking up to the idea that romantic relationships are perhaps more trouble than they're worth. Boomer humour often talks about "the ole' ball n' chain" or "my better half" or whatever, and the truth of the matter is that most of the women I've met just aren't worth it. They're demanding of your money, or your labour, and worst of all, they're often incredibly boring people. nb. I don't hate women. Most of the ones I've met just aren't particularl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:47 PM
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Oh, to be young again...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:13 PM
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Yes, though, I think it's very common. You have a few good years, and you don't want to throw it all away. You live together, and housing/living costs are shared so that's some friction to leaving. You share friends, that's more friction to leaving. Maybe you have kids, more friction. You ask around, and people tell you that relationships/marriages take work, so you tell yourself you work on it. It's compelling to stay, because it's very easy to have a belief that it would be easier (and better!…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:40 PM
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Think, you like this person enough to stay married for 10 years. I think you underestimate how people see sunk costs or a repeated lifestyle pattern, and hope that things will turn around with enough talk or negotiation. My ex-wife and I were together for 13 years. I want to say 4-5 of those years (the first ones) were good. I wanted to stay together for the children, and until the last year of it, I genuinely thought she would change and that things would go back to the way they used to be. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:20 PM
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My ex wife actually did do #1 and #2. I had a nervous breakdown, and developed an eating disorder. I'm sure the 3-5 are equally negative. We're divorced now. I think also that 'there are no major problems in your marriage' is a tough condition to have here; if you find any of these behaviours troublesome, you will have problems in your marriage, full stop. nb. I would never expect a woman to accept this from her man, either, and (potentially) framing this as 'typically male behaviour' is a reach…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:17 PM
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Virgin shaming is eternal. The only thing that changes is the language. When someone calls another person a 'virgin' in high school, what are they saying? Ha ha, you're so pathetic you can't get someone to climb into bed with you. When someone calls another person an 'incel' and it happens to be true, what exactly are they saying? Ha ha, you're so pathetic you can't get someone to climb into bed with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:25 PM
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I don't know of any studies, but I'm willing to wager that relationships that are primarily rooted in sex don't last as long as ones that have commitment to common goals, sympathy, and effective conflict resolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:10 PM
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And that’s why men like hanging out with other men. We don’t have to walk on eggshells around other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:31 AM
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I think that it’s probably not so cut and dried. For some men, it’s as you describe, but I think for others it stems from (formative) rejection and/or parental abuse. Willingness to submit is sometimes not in the cards for submissive men; they submit because the dominant is offering affection, rather than a more physical woman ‘overpowering’ them. For at least a few of the subby men I know, a dominant partner is ‘proof’ of at least one person’s desire and/or acceptance. Being someone’s ‘pet’ imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:43 AM
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Definite maybe? That said, I would be shocked if someone read through my post history and thought “yeah, I want this moribund middle aged man with a lotta past and not a whole lotta future to potentially be my partner.” This is an alt account for a reason. More than anything, I think it would be difficult to know what they’re like from some political opinions about gender, dating, and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 12:41 AM
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I think it’s fine, though, like any hairstyle, it doesn’t always suit the bearer. The people who dislike it tend to be hyper-conservative. Same with tattoos.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:49 PM
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First, I think there's an open question why it's the case. Your interpretation is that men aren't stepping up, but it could just easily be that the woman represented in the image is too picky. It is possible she hasn't had a boyfriend because she rejects everyone who asks. I'm of the opinion that the answer is probably somewhere in between: the average woman who has never had a boyfriend has rejected some and never been asked by others. From the male side, I think a lot of men are in a thought p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:03 PM
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At this point, literally nothing. Over the last decade, I have been through a ton of partnerships of varying seriousness and even the 'best' ones don't actually add much to my life, and I have doubts that I can easily add much to theirs. More than anything, spending time with women has let me know that I'm actually pretty happy alone. I can do nice things for myself. There's no expectation from someone else, and I don't need anyone else to help me with the challenges I face. On this sub and gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:47 PM
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I think it's unknowable a lot of the time. The cynic in me believes that it's almost never proactive defense, and absolutely never altruism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:01 AM
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Obvious oil wars definitely make it a more iffy proposition. Anyone with any education is going to question imperialist notions about any conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:19 AM
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I do wonder if it’s partisan; if some people would fight for one leader or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:58 AM
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I’m agnostic about my spine. It’s possible I’m a coward. But, I am bitter about my government, especially over the last decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:43 AM
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I’m one of the fittest people I know, though, I’m older than typical military personnel age (40s). I doubt they conscript people from my age group anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:59 PM
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I'm vaguely prepared. I'm very physically fit, have a small amount of self-defense training, have handled guns before. However, I would draft-dodge. My country has done shit all for me through my checkered lifetime, and I was thinking of leaving this place anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:47 PM
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The very first thing we need to do is to both acknowledge that men are facing disproportionately negative results in suicide, addiction, homelessness and education. I think we can safely assume that these are absolutely bellwethers for future success in anything. If we say "men are killing themselves four times faster than women" people need to stop saying "but women attempt more than men do." We need to acknowledge that, research why, and then start instituting policy changes that make the cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:34 PM
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I think you're just sidestepping the OP's point. I agree that people should have friends from all walks of life, but, that's not what the OP's talking about. The points are broadly that you have to accept your place as a villain and your problems as irrelevant if you want to participate in progressive spaces. Progressive discourse demands that men hold no concern for the male suicide rate, and instead focus on the wage gap, as though a few more cents on the dollar were categorically more importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:46 PM
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Calmly delivered, well written. I agree, though, I expect even getting people to acknowledge disadvantages men face is still a challenge. For as long as the narrative is that men are merely being petulant than actually facing real issues that can be measured by suicide, substance abuse, homelessness and education rates, no progress will be made. No other notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:42 PM
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I agree that there's a lot of lies... but, there's just enough truth for it to make it attractive. I have always maintained that the first floor of TRP actually makes sense. Lift, have money, and be social is really good advice (the opposite is 'don't try to do anything' and 'be a recluse'), and it's a shame left-wing or social justice circles can't bring themselves to say anything but 'man bad'. The truth of the matter is that it's only recently that TRP has any media reach. I literally found T…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:23 PM
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So, are old men who cannot commit to an 18+ year project of raising youth also not ‘real men’, or are there caveats including but not limited to this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:05 PM
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At least you’re honest about your ‘debate’. Out of curiosity, did you consider that people might not want to date single moms because of life circumstance? For my part, I don’t want to date single moms because my own children are teens now. I’m kind of done with babies, toddlers, and adolescents. It’s not because of any particular hatred or disdain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:13 PM
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I didn’t ask what it “doesn’t mean” and whether I could still vote. You have made an assertion that I’m not a real man, and I want to nail down what that actually means. Is it merely an ad hominem, an assertion that you don’t like me personally, or is it something more meaningful?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:33 PM
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I mean, I’m not. My question is: what does it mean that I’m not a ‘real man’? What does that actually mean? No tautologies, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:14 AM
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I guess I’m not a real man. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:46 AM
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This seems difficult to answer. There’s lots of context; are they a bunch of oil rig workers? Soldiers? They could be in a profession or place where it’s hard to meet women. This, though, is a common story, and I think it’s an interesting zeitgeist, rather than a question that can be answered without more details.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:38 AM
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I mean, I don’t want to point fingers, but I think it’s a cooperative effort. Some men act like casual sex is the endgame and the only thing that matters, and then there’s the original commenter. And then, some people treat men like they’re a monolith. I personally don’t really care “who’s to blame”; I’m more concerned with the plight of reasonable yet lonely men like the original commenter. Fault/blame isn’t actionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:35 PM
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I think there’s different camps, here. Some men only want casual sex, but it’s clearly not the case for the person I responded to. But treating men like a monolith as this sub often does, I think it makes it hard to have a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:17 PM
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I agree with everything you've said here. Lots of people on PPD say "men should just employ sex workers" but it really isn't just about sex, and I expect they'll be silent with respect to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:20 PM
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Let me tell you what… I wouldn’t want to date a CEO, full stop. Every single one I’ve met in person has been a complete asshole. It’s not about being intimidated or ‘scared’. It’s entirely about the kind of person that makes it to being a CEO in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:50 PM
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I’m actually curious where this goes. Melissa is my first choice. She sounds like my type in terms of style and physically (I like ‘em tall; I’m tall, and short people are actually hard to be with sometimes) and takes care of herself. Common ground on the geekery, though, unclear if we have common ground on videogames (I only like a couple of genres). Jenny is my second choice. 50/50 relationships are my personal preference (what does Melissa prefer?). Nonbinary might be a dealbreaker; I like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:35 AM
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I'm not ancient, but I'm not young, and date 6-10 years younger. It really isn't about age in the grand scheme. It's certainly not my wealth or social position; those are both the pits. It's about whether you click with someone, have the same values with them, find them (physically) attractive. Obviously, I can't speak for their attraction to me in precise terms, but it's never "I like you cuz you're old", it's always "I like you in spite of you being old" or "I like you, and didn't realize you …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:09 PM
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TBH, Redpill felt like it provided a lose-when-you-win kind of scenario. It's really hard to think highly of the women I've been with when I know (as in, have verifiable evidence) they wouldn't have looked at me twice when I was out of shape, etc., but then threw themselves at me when I put on some muscle. It really feels like the only factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:58 PM
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A few times. People I wasn't attracted to, or someone I had just started dating who was so very drunk. When I was younger, I couldn't say no, but as I've gotten older and dealt with some of my shit, I've declined sex more and more. Reactions have been pretty much the same: lots of "that's too bad", or politely parting ways (or the other person passing out cuz they're very drunk). I think knowing what I know now... I'd have said 'no' more when I was younger, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:48 PM
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If there's nothing you can do about it, you have a free pass. You just gotta walk if you're short, and a woman wants someone tall, or hairy and they want someone smooth, any ethnicity and they want one that you're not. There is nothing you can do about people who have some incorporate and inviolate preference that you do not meet. Remember, with no power, comes no responsibility. You're not less worthy (whatever that means), and preferences are not universal. Especially if you go to other locale…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:52 PM
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Many have no (or minimal) standards for someone they’ll sleep with, but most men I know are cagey about relationships and have high standards for their LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 12:34 AM
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I’m not sure RP messaging is for women at all. RP makes some observations and then prescribes men behave in a particular way if they have particular goals. I’m not sure they care about anyone’s “preferences” when it comes to observations, and the prescriptions are specifically for struggling men. In short, the observations and advice aren’t for women in the first place, and that’s why women aren’t considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:36 PM
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This was expertly summed up and discussed by slatestarcodex, and I’ll never not link it: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 12:34 AM
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I would tend to agree that people often want to get into an argument in this space. I honestly don't think the dynamics people are talking about are particularly complicated. I also think the tawdry scenarios that people dream up or witness (like professors/TAs and students) are very much the minority. The language of 'targeting' and whatnot in the OP is also a bit on the nose, I feel. More than likely, it's someone you meet and your ages happen to just be different rather than a 'seeking someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:05 PM
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I'm a broke middle-aged guy who regularly dates 10+ years younger. I actually really struggle to pull dates from people my age, but younger women will date me without much reservation for the age gap. My current partner is 9 years younger than me. There's no "type". They're not a monolith. A lot of them are not explicitly seeking older guys. They're just (IMO) open-minded people who see a guy and are interested, and then discover that they're born in different decades after the first date. Somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:44 AM
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I'll give you the perspective from a tremendously damaged 40-something. First up, the apps suck. Women, for whatever reason, are just worse on the apps. They think they're owed better, or they're less attractive or both. I -- personally -- know single women who are decent catches, but act like absolute shitheads on the apps, and they suffer for it. The app companies are there to make money, and their user experience is going to reflect that. You're not wrong that the response rate and quality is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:30 AM
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There is public will. “Political will” refers to the will of political actors capable of making a change, which the voting public clearly cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:14 PM
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My metrics have always been deaths. If you want to advocate for different (measurable!) metrics, feel free to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:10 PM
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I would tend to agree. It’s been shown that negative reinforcement works only to a point; at this point, the people putting ‘man bad’ in print have reached the maximal social punishment for men, and men are either saying “you’ll always think I’m the bad guy, so I’ll do whatever I want” or they’re so cowed that they only nominally participate in society. Your assessment is spot on; men either already don’t care about this kind of messaging, or already feel bad and are made to feel worse. It truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:05 PM
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I suppose it's possible the budget is so small that it doesn't really matter. I do disagree with your application of the relative privation fallacy. I'm not merely saying "there are worse things so this one doesn't matter." I'm saying "if we have a limited budget, approximately zero should be spent on this endeavour."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:32 AM
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IME, women aren't a monolith, and there are women who will find you less attractive when/if you become more muscular. I had someone who was interested in me, and then lost interest when I got gym-bigger. However, on balance, women generally prefer more muscular etc. You could lean into an androgynous or femme look and attract certain people, for sure; getting very muscular isn't the only path to being attractive (even if it seems its the way to cast the widest net).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:07 AM
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I'll spell it out real clear for people still wondering. OP links some research and action, asks what we think. I think it's a waste of time and resources. There's lots of ways for people to die, but most of them don't involve an incel, and there's plenty of better ways to spend the budget that was used on the policy OP linked. The actual details of other policies, like defunding police, etc. aren't relevant to this particular discussion, IMO. We could use that money to better effect elsewhere, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:03 AM
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I would agree if there wasn't a public budget at stake. It would be whataboutism if the money spent in the research the OP linked was unlimited. But, it's not. We have a limited number of dollars to spend to save lives. We spent money trying to prevent incel violence, when we could have spent money trying to prevent much more prevalent violence (like police officers killing people, which, incidentally, was 1,097 in the same year I've been citing). If the goal of public policy is to save lives, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:42 AM
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Honestly, I see it this way: Deaths are deaths. If the objective of public policy is to save lives, the resources are better spent elsewhere. There is no reason to devote any amount of resources other than the usual mortality monitoring for something that has a truly insignificant number of deaths. If people actually cared about actual body counts, there would be more gun control laws (in the US), because guns are a far more common factor in mortality than incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:37 AM
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It really is that bad. I think the whatever podcast isn't particularly intellectually honest, and it really kind of sucks that they just... gave them the views? For basically nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:31 AM
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No, you don't understand. The year I selected for the stats I used above was 2022. That's just the year that I could find the most information on. In 2022, which was (until then) the very worst year for American school shootings in history, the total deaths were 313. Even if every single last school shooter was an incel (and I don't think that's true), it's not even one percent of yearly auto accident deaths. You wanna hear another stat? In 2022, it was estimated that 609,360 Americans died from…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:22 AM
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I would tend to agree that it's political theatre. I think that's the case of (nearly) all gender politics right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:13 AM
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in the US, they honestly kill fewer people than disgruntled teens going to school. Which, incidentally, there is approximately zero political will to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 01:53 AM
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I have no stats to back this part up but I would wager: Incels kill themselves more frequently than they kill anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 12:56 AM
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Finally, the /r/conspiracy crossover I've been waiting for. I think the goals are silly. The report claims to want to minimize violence against women, but, the truth of the matter is that not only are the attack style they cite (Isla Vista, etc.) as a threat are a miniscule number of people1 , but it's unclear that their diversion methodology actually will curb attacks. If it's unclear, I believe this entire thing is unworthy of public policy consideration. It is a truly myopic allocation of tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 12:50 AM
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It’s arguably true, but, since people my age won’t date me… what am I to do, exactly? For me personally, I struggle to get a date with a bitter/jaded 40something, but early 30s women throw themselves at me. I’m very up front about being a divorcée, unsuccessful financially, etc., but they seem undeterred. I guess my question is, if it is true, so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 02:21 AM
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I’ll look it up, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:52 PM
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As someone who has oscillated 50 lbs of fat, nothing, and then muscle, yes muscles matter for (IME) 95% of women. It’s not all of them, but it’s so many that if finding partner(s) is your concern, you’re gonna get more with bigger muscles. That doesn’t mean they’re lying; I think people can be genuinely mistaken about their actual practical preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:43 PM
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Is that a ‘no’ then? I’m genuinely curious and not looking to argue; I just want to know in what way it’s could make a decline in social standing. Obviously a rejection would be bad mojo, but, if he accepts?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:37 PM
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Can you explain what you mean by “female social matrix loser?”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:33 PM
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I agree, and I would take no pains to keep it a secret, so the ones who ARE insecure about it are sent packing sooner, rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:53 PM
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I'm going to take a different tack than the people posting the same articles, and give some practical advice. Normally, I'd post the stats, but I don't think that will add to the discussion. People aren't statistics. Statistically women in the position you've described get lonely because they don't (typically) date down. The truth of the matter is, there are house-husbands out there who don't mind that sort of thing. RP advocates will then point out that women tend to not be attracted to that ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:46 PM
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I make really terrible money, but I do just fine. This idea that 'a man needs to make six figures' is super overhyped. There's only a tiny percentage of deluded women who actually believe that, and they're amplified by content creators trying to pass it off as the norm for outrage clicks. It's not at all a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:15 PM
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A sociological study will present a thesis, methodology, sample size, data, and interpretation of the data. In short, actual real rigorous research. Not just the statement of opinion in a pdf. I appreciate you giving me the link; I’m more than willing to be wrong, but it doesn’t look like it will happen for this particular article. I don’t believe I’ve shifted goalposts at all: I am critical of science journalism, and of what journalists conclude when it comes from a place of research illiteracy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:57 PM
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That isn’t a sociological study. It’s a meta-analysis, and it contains a lot of things being presented as “Myth” which are true only some of the time but could be false (i.e. “Dieting improves Health” isn’t always true because there are incredibly bad diets out there). But, the general truth of the matter is that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck, it’s probably a duck. The document you linked doesn’t prove anything. It presents a thesis which could be true…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:47 PM
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Science journalism is by nature interpretive. I would very much bet these studies don’t say what the author of this article wants them to say. It does not help that the solitary study concerning weight and attractiveness in women referenced (by Kwan and Fackler) is a broken link, so we can’t assess whether their interpretation is accurate or not. But sure, I didn’t read closely at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:37 PM
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Without reading it… loaded premise, probably written by a fat woman. Edit: Yup. Pure cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:02 PM
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The smoking gun, jfc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:03 PM
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It's unclear; the judge involved said he wouldn't hear it as a human rights issue, but whether the individual was entitled to damages is either undetermined (or isn't news; I couldn't find anything about the case results). So, for the principle of the issue, I would say it has been thrown out. However, I think that it's an interesting bellwether. If it has to be a "clothing-optional resort that primarily serves gay and bisexual men" that gets not-quite-legal-affirmation, doesn't that strike you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:54 PM
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My point is this: When gay men can't even fuck each other in peace without the interference of women, I think it's pretty indicative that male-only spaces have generally been quashed, and any remaining ones are seriously imperiled.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:40 PM
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You asked "When has anyone [been] sued for creating a male only space?" and I provided an example. I don't think this branch of the thread has anything to do with men struggling to 'get laid' or whatever. It's about male only spaces existing, and in the branch OP, "encourage bonding and self improvement in men, not being a misandrist, etc." Get your straw man nonsense out of here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:26 PM
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Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan/comments/134r4wt/florida_woman_suing_over_maleonly_admission/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:24 PM
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Not a woman. Objectification is whenever you treat an autonomous human being as a means to an end, rather than considering their autonomy. When a man treats a woman only as a warm hole, that's a kind of objectification. When a woman treats a man only as a wallet with legs, that's a kind of objectification. I think there's a certain amount of objectification that is all but necessary in our romantic lives. If I (hypothetically) wanted a long and happy tradcon marriage, a particular kind of woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 05:43 PM
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I mean, if you have a condition that prevents you from working out, I certainly feel for you, and maybe other people in this thread will have advice that's different. I stand by the social event recommendation, though. Especially if you think you're never going to be physically attractive; better to develop some charisma and confidence in your mental capacity if you can't rely on physical fitness. Charisma, like anything else, is something you can get better at with practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:25 PM
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Original poster was asking "What worked for you?" and that's what I posted. I don't know your situation, but, you could just start very light. When I first started working out, I was so out of shape, I couldn't do a single pull-up or pushup. I know lots of guys who start with empty bars, or modified work. Unless you're actually crippled, I don't think there's an excuse to not take some measures to take care of your body both in terms of diet and exercise. You don't have to be jacked or ripped; j…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:28 PM
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This place isn’t particularly conducive to it, which adds to its rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:28 AM
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I don’t know, follow it or don’t. Lots of people here want to complain, but nobody seems to want to do any actual work, or just chill out about things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:27 AM
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I worked out a lot, shed my fat, got muscular. I also fixed my diet, and eat mostly pretty healthy. This isn't a red pill bit from me, I promise. You'll just get more confident and happier working out. If you've been working out for 5-10 years, you might be surprised how far you've come in terms of mental gains. Rejections seem lighter, I feel better about myself, I have this consistent thing in my life that I enjoy and find challenging. I look forward to my workouts. Also, women seem to like fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 08:39 PM
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I'm assuming this will be flaired CMV. I totally agree. In my country, 37% of the people are married (which has declined from previous generations). That's a staggering number of people, and I'm pretty sure they're not all Gigachads and Stacys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:19 PM
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I think this is a description of things that are in the current paradigm, however, instead of "settle for and it doesn't last forever", a lot of men are "don't get married, don't have kids". The other tine on this fork is that lots of men would rather have nothing than something unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:11 PM
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Even if you are a total jock, chad thundercock, you still have to make the first move and not be a wuss. This is just the truth. This isn't true in the extreme cases. The last three or four sexual partners I've had have approached me, rather than the other way around. I will agree that it is generally true, though. As for the rest of it... I don't think that millennials and zoomers being chickenshits is the only factor at work, here. I think there has been a long and vociferous campaign against …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:56 AM
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Men being the victim more frequently for every kind of assault except sexual assault. Men being a disproportionately large part of the homeless population. Men having a higher incidence of drug addiction, suicide, and workplace deaths. None of those things are to do with women, and the real rage comes with the fact that civil society does not seem to care about things that disproportionately affect men, even though they are often devastating or life-ending. Am I blaming women? No. But, it's frus…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:38 AM
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I think you'll get different opinions about JDBF. Some men are okay with it, others not. However, fat people (not just women) get treated worse on average than thin or athletic people. That much is beyond dispute; there is research that shows that people are much more likely to associate fat people with descriptors like lazy, unmotivated, poor self-control than they would thin or athletic people. In spite of that, I don't think JDBF is the answer: I know fat women who do just fine. I've seen mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:29 AM
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I think the poison from media comes from the more formulaic romcom format rather than the bro-comedy one. Very few people thought American Pie was a reasonable facsimile of sexual relations. However, lots of men think that if they just persist, rabidly declare their undying love, in the vein of Say anything or Chasing Amy, they'll get there. Post 2000s, the genre was a bit better about it, like Knocked Up where Seth Rogan's character genuinely has to clean up his act. But, he really does just sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:18 AM
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Yeah, I mean, most people don't imagine that's gonna happen, because most of the time... it doesn't. Also, it's possible that no answer that she gave would have stopped him from whipping out the machete and flipping the fuck out. The ask might have just been a formality at that point, and he could have approached her with the strict and unwavering intent to murder her. We really don't know. It's real shitty in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:32 AM
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I am sympathetic to the "better safe than sorry" mantra in some ways. My position in this thread has only been that there are plenty of common ways to die that have a much higher incidence than saying no to a man and that man reacting violently. I have no evidence to back it up, but saying you have a bf is would be my guess to be the safest thing. Men (IME) defer to other men who 'got there first' a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:19 AM
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Look, if a guy has a history of violence, is known to carry weapons, or is generally maladjusted, I fully advocate for people protecting themselves as best they know how. If it isn't clear, I'm not saying that you have to gormlessly treat others in a Kantian way when they are an obvious threat. However, some of the people in this thread are advocating for the idea that since some tiny percentage of men fly off the handle, that they should treat every man in the universe as a dire threat. I'm say…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:55 AM
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I am casting doubt on the idea that women are making it better for themselves by being dishonest. Other posters are putting forward the idea that men kill women out of hand for rejecting them immediately, and that stringing them along is the safer option. I'm saying that it may not be the case. Second, I never said that men were justified, owed something, or that women deserved it, nor would I say such a thing ever. That's a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:54 AM
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But statistically, if something harms you as a woman. Its a man. Except when it's a motor vehicle driven by an unknown driver. I've addressed this in other parts of the thread. There are many impersonal dangers that are far, far more dangerous than men. https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/16tlx03/today_a_london_schoolgirl_was_murdered_for/k2gacjb/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:29 PM
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In Canada. I'm not keen to share narrower than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:12 PM
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Many people swim in the ocean taking no care at all to avoid sharks. I've made my points about statistical relevance in other branches of this thread. If you have something other than an appeal to emotion about the carnage wrought by men against helpless women, please do so. Otherwise, I'm not sure there's much else to say to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:12 PM
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Sure. I have never said it doesn't happen. I've only said that the incidence is low. Check out other comment branches in this thread for comparisons on how deadly saying no is compared to other activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:50 PM
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Oh, it's both, for certain. I know plenty of single women who bemoan the exact same things about men. My standards are not too high, I tried dating guys using lower standards and it was no good. My standards are where they should be, and if I never have a relationship again, well, that's ok. Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:49 PM
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Oh, totally. I don't want to be a 'player' anything. I would like nothing more than a monogamous relationship with someone who gives a shit about me, and meets my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:14 PM
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It's not clear that the precaution of 'string them along' decreases or increases their likelihood of being murdered. We don't really have any stat for what "killed for saying no" means. Was it "Dude meets her and asks her out, she says no, he pulls out a gun and murders her" or is it "They meet, she says maybe for 3-4 months getting dates paid for and siphoning resources him, she finally tells him she's not interested and he shoots her." Both of these are extremes, and I couldn't tell you which …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:53 PM
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Yeah, that's an appalling stat. The initial thread was about women being murdered for rejecting men. If the thread was about "men killing their pregnant partners" I wouldn't have said anything at all, because their view would be correct. However, it does bring up an interesting point: apparently between 2003 and 2014, 10k women were murdered for saying no. Edit: This stat is across 18 states. If we assume that the other states don't record the data, and that this is representative across all sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:38 PM
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Yeah, I mean, I see a lot of posts here that blame women (in general) or blame men (in general) but it seems very few of the people really look at themselves critically. I don't think everything is quite as cut and dried as it's made out to be here, and men/women are not one-size-fits-all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:14 PM
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We were both terrible at communicating. We also couldn't articulate what was inadequate in the relationship (both of us, again). We got together very young, and both of us also had unresolved mental health issues. I think if we met each other today for the first time we'd be lifers, but that ship has sailed. We had two teens together, and amicably co-parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:09 PM
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That part is idle speculation. I think that at first blush, it won't (and shouldn't) make a difference. Listen, we all take precautions. When I'm in a car, I put on my seat belt. If someone dies in a car crash and wasn't wearing a seat belt, we wouldn't call it victim blaming if we said "they should have worn a seatbelt." My only real argument here is that people getting murdered for rejecting men is such a small likelihood in the smorgasbord of ways to die that if you're worried about dying, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:04 PM
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It's really fucking weird out there right now. To her credit, my ex-wife was (and is -- we're very good friends) a very interesting person. The people I encounter just... it's not that they're plain, or uneducated, or unremarkable, or not bleeding-edge-best at something. It's that they're so. fucking. boring. The "you need yourself a woman" crowd either found someone interesting, or they're also fucking boring and don't see anything wrong with people being these absolutely vacant NPCs. The perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:38 PM
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No thanks. I get dates when I want them. I'm not shocked people don't meet my standards. My standards (except perhaps the body type thing; I want to do athletic things with them like rock climbing) are the bare minimum to being a person. I'm 42. I have had many partners. I would rather be alone than be responsible for taking care of someone because they couldn't take care of themselves. I have plenty of friends and have no trouble making more; I'm extroverted and personable. What you don't seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:24 PM
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I think there's different problems distributed across age categories. I'm 40+, and the women my age that I meet simply don't meet my standards. I'm not especially choosy: Please don't be obese, please have hobbies, please be curious about the world and want to learn about something (really, anything). But the vast, vast majority of people I meet are sedentary, consume media uncritically, don't have any hobbies, and are fundamentally living life on auto-pilot. I've gotten around plenty, been marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:54 PM
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I'm not blaming the victim, here. I literally just said that some tiny minority of men are going to react violently and ought to be punished for it. In no way am I saying it's the woman's fault, and you need your head checked if that's what you think I said. She still has every right to give out false information if she so pleases. Correct, but I can still think it's an unkind and shitty thing to do, as is my right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:51 PM
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This is kind of death is statistically irrelevant. Billions of people survived after rejecting a man this week alone. If you think one death is too many, you should be advocating for people to stop using motor vehicles, because there's a chance every time you sit down in one that you'll die, and that chance is much greater than rejecting a man. But, I never see people advocating for the abolishment of motor vehicles, only that they should treat men dishonestly. Further speculation without data: …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:34 PM
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I would say the answer lies somewhere in between. I agree that there’s a set of men who don’t especially want to improve themselves, else they don’t know how and lack mentorship. They definitely exist. I also believe that men are routinely misled. There’s a lot of pop culture “just be yourself”, “it’s what’s inside that counts”, and “there’s someone for everyone” and none of that is wholly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:54 PM
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I'm not making any claims about whether it sucks for women. I acknowledge that women have shitty aspects in their lives too, and have the same (accidental or intentional) conditioning I'm describing for men. My only point here is to illustrate that perceived risk is of the reasons men don't approach. Everything else is a non-sequitur and separate discussion, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:31 AM
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I'm not a policy-maker. Canada feels pretty safe. We have gun control laws, and strict weapons-in-public laws. I think there's a certain amount of inevitability that some tiny minority of people are going to be able and willing to assault/murder with their bare hands, but, policy can be improved in other arenas. Better emergency services, better social services so that we don't reach the points of desperation where violent confrontation is the thing that people resort to. But, all this is beside…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:47 AM
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I don't really care who the perpetrator is. Risk is at risk. We either care about assaults or murders or we don't. Look at this way: There are tons of motor vehicle fatalities every year. Historically, it was worse. We have a lot of policy surrounding seat belts and other safety measures. We don't care that it's caused by impersonal accident, men, women or whatever. We know it happens and we take measures to prevent it. Your argument is utterly without merit. Either we care about bad stuff happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:14 AM
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For me personally, I’m in the privileged position that I don’t have to approach people. My last two partners approached me. I sympathize for other guys, but, I don’t have to do anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:19 PM
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Yeah, so, rejection is a constant, and if we’re being honest, women in the current year are less respectful and meaner than any of their counterparts I’ve ever heard of in history. Add in the perceived risk, and the result is that many men just don’t feel like the juice is worth the squeeze. The currently available women are not worth the expected adjustment in ego or the risk (however tiny) that I could be ostracized. It’s as simple as that. Most of us just don’t wanna.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:15 PM
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Paragraphs 3 and 4 are pretty detailed. I don’t know what to tell you. Here’s a tl:dr; In 3, I point out rejection is sometimes very cruel and painful. In 4, I point out that objective risk isn’t how the average man perceives it, and that perceived risk is what deters men from approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:08 PM
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Can we also ask “why are women choosing to stand on the sidelines?” This whole thing is very unempathetic to the male condition. MeToo is a scapegoat, yes, but, can we level about some things? First, women are often vicious. If you’re not exceptional, your rejection can be cruel and demotivating. Not just body shaming, but being replied to with “why would I go out with you?” or “ew”. “Bitch” and “cunt” are gendered slurs for a reason, IMO. Second, the risk has more components than what you’ve la…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:58 PM
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It’s because they’re generally cowards, and they don’t have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:00 PM
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I don’t think anyone’s asking for a potential partner’s BMI. I would say ‘fat’ is just shorthand for ‘unattractive because they’re bigger than I’d like’. In your image, all of them are fat, though some of them are more attractive than others because of the way they carry it. But, I wouldn’t say there’s some BMI line or fat percentage I won’t cross except at unreasonably high levels (like, it’s very likely I won’t find someone with a BMI of 40 or 40% body fat attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:57 PM
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I think most loners are bummed out because they're loners. Being lonely is one of the worst feelings in the world. That people also tie their self-worth to romantic success/rejection compounds the issue, but I think even someone with healthy self-esteem but has no romantic success because of some other orthogonal issue will suffer a significant amount of emotional pain merely because they're alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:46 PM
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Oh, I know. I'm a divorcee. I'm good looking enough to pull dates when I really want to put in the effort, but I can totally see a universe in which I'm just paying for it in cash. I would say that being alone is the sum of a bunch of issues, though: it's hard to trust women in this civil law environment, and once you don't trust someone, relationships with them will deteriorate, if they were ever established in the first place. That will make people lonely in an increasingly atomized society. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:43 PM
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This seems incredibly hard to measure. Like, what's your criteria for love-amount? Does your scale account for qualitative differences in those criteria? And then, are those criteria representing something other than attraction? So, in the last paragraph, you wrote that it's lust with tolerance, rather than love, but how do you know it's not some other thing, like desperation/loneliness, or simple even simple indifferent affability?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:29 AM
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Yeah, I mean, it's tremendously cheap once you cover the cost of actually getting there. There are even local sex workers, too; there's a whole lot of infrastructure in place for massage parlours and escorts. I think part of the problem is that casual sex isn't all that fulfilling for many people, and prostitutes don't actually solve the problem a lot of men have (it's loneliness).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:26 AM
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Yet women dont judge random men on these things, for the most part women just mind their own business. This is as far as I got. You're just wrong. Women are constantly judging men. The headlines of every major 'news' outlet perennially publish how 'men aren't keeping up' or how 'men are economically unattractive'. And then on social media, it's even worse; the first quarter of 2023, there was positively an epidemic of videos on social media shaming men for merely glancing at women in the gym, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:23 AM
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Dressing in Jeans/shorts and a Tee, and wearing boots, chucks or sandals depending on how hot/humid it gets. I'm a really simple guy when it comes down to it. I'm big (muscular, but not shredded), I run hot, and I like to be comfortable. I am not going to do /r/malefashionadvice/ and look 'sharp' or 'well put together', wear collared shirts, blazers, or accumulate accoutrements. I cannot wear chinos because my ass and quads are big, and precious few clothing lines will accommodate me. I just wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:09 AM
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I actually do wish that being polite, and agreeable did get you further. Most of my sexual success comes from me in moments when I'm badly behaved. Which kind of sucks, because I'm only badly behaved some of the time, and it's hard to get into a relationship with someone when they think of you as a devil-may-care dopamine/adrenaline addict, but you're actually disciplined, and have cares beyond the next cheap thrill. Maybe relationships just aren't in the cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:41 AM
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The well-to-do have always exploited lower class men. Peasants being victims of the aristocracy? Most decision-making aristocrats were men. Disappearing middle-class? The world’s most wealthy are men. There lawyers/cops/judges (and politicians) you reference are pretty much the same. I’m not convinced women would be more generous in positions of wealth and leadership (lol Indira Gandhi), but, I think the expectation that wealth and power should suddenly be sympathetic is a bit wishful. Things wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:30 PM
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I think a lot of people don’t care. I’m not happy with these outcomes either, tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:47 AM
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This is most likely, IMO. Half the alt right is racist, but the other half are disenfranchised people sick of paying taxes while being called the bad guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:19 PM
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By voting, maybe. In the US, genuinely good policy and rights are being rolled back by flailing panderers to the anti-feminism moevement. I’d say they’re already off the ground, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:14 PM
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I want someone nice, but no matter how physically attractive or unattractive women seem to be, they’re almost always selfish assholes. So, you may as well spend the energy convincing the pretty ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:05 PM
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I mean, look at it this way, you don’t harangue smokers because they’re smoking, even though it causes really poor health outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:47 PM
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I’m going to take a different tack: you can be ‘fatphobic’ or have preferences… just do it quietly. That goes for both sexes. Like, I don’t need to hear from someone that they’re not into people from my ethnicity. If someone tells you that you’re -ist or -phobic, you can always say “You’re not entitled to a date.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:27 PM
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I think part of this crisis is that men have no good role models and no institutional support. Dating might be different if men were not ‘falling behind’ (according to every major publication, none of whom advocate for any solution). If we can pay attention to woes that disproportionately affect men (suicide, addiction, homelessness), that might go a long way to stopping unsuccessful men from despair and self-destructive, while also stopping successful men from being excessively mercenary in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:32 PM
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Arguably, the advice to go MGTOW is to ‘choose better’ by choosing nothing. There’s plenty of ink spilled saying don’t get married, don’t cohabitate, etc. The advice is there, IMO, it just looks different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:30 AM
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I agree. If the decline in testosterone has kept pace with the study in 2007, men right now might have test levels of someone 40 years older. For a 25 year old… well, how many motivated/scrappy 65 year olds do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:24 AM
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Yeah, I’m sure the hand thing is solveable. I’m just making a joke about how AI can’t currently draw hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:36 PM
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No worries, it’s all chill. AI struggles with hands, but I think it’s anyone’s guess what it’s going to be capable of in a few years. I’ve read some think-pieces that say it’s going to condemn a bunch of professions to obsolescence, and others that say asking a question is worse than just googling something. But, even if it does take a bunch of people’s jobs, this wouldn’t be the first time something got automated. I’m ambivalent; we’ll see how we all dance when the music starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:33 PM
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I’m not an expert, but what I’ve read is that hands are hard for AI to reproduce because they’re often obscured or in a variety of positions, while faces are always mostly face-like, even if they have different expressions. AIs learn from scanning a large catalogue of images, so it’s hard for them to model hands properly; much harder than faces. I have no doubt they’ll get it right eventually, but at current they almost always get it obviously wrong. My original comment was mostly tongue-in-chee…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:18 PM
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I don’t think there’s some minimum or maximum… but, generally, I’ll want to meet for a public date within a few days. If that’s too fast or ‘risky’, that just means we’re not a good match.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:12 PM
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Maybe. But for now, the hand thing remains really funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:01 PM
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I agree with this in principle, but getting AI generated handjob video is decades out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 04:29 PM
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I’m unemployed, have been for over a year. I struggle to keep jobs in general, and have never been employed for more than 2 years at a time. I’m university educated (I have a Master’s Degree) but I don’t think that means much and I don’t work in that field. I get with all sorts, but usually they are around university educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:48 PM
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I mean, if you don’t have a goal to be respected or married, super-competence doesn’t seem necessary. Source: I am generally incompetent, but good looking enough to get dates/laid, even if I’m not “relationship material”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:48 AM
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Cite a source regarding audience demographics, please. Tbf, I have no idea who the demographic is, but I noticed it in my 30s and the only people I have met with any awareness of it are at least 30. I don’t know many teenagers, so there’s a bit of selection bias for my report.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:46 AM
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I think appreciation for the ‘other side’s woes is more common than I’d think. I have a few single female friends who struggle with the tightrope of being interesting/interested while trying to divine any particular date’s intent. I would imagine they watch their single male friend’s struggle to get days at all and have the same sympathy. I don’t imagine either sex typically knows exactly how tiresome the other’s travails are, though. It’s probably something that has to be experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:12 AM
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Active rejections are harsh on people. Passive rejections (like the perennial man with no matches on the tinder sub) is also pretty hard on you. I think women probably eat just as much shit when relationships don’t progress or fail to really materialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:20 AM
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There’s an enormous demographic of people who haven’t really got a ton of privilege and are constantly being talked down to. There are poor white cis males out there, and every time they consume any media, someone is telling them they’re bad, how they have all the advantages, and how they are the source of all society’s ills. Right wing politicians harvest this vote because it’s easy. This demographic is already rejected by the left, so it isn’t hard for some rwnj to say “I think you’re cool, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:50 AM
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Maybe I’m not the right person to respond because it’s not “super motivating” for me and I have a definite floor on age that I’m willing to be romantically involved with, but… just being real, many women over 35 are just tiresome to deal with. Unfun, boring, cynical, and in many ways really kind of hopeless. It’s not universal, but it’s not so much that young women are hyper-attractive, it’s that older women are manifestly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:24 AM
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Your Jean Kilbourne quote gets a big ‘so what’ from me. As a teen in the 90s, a hit song was TLC’s No Scrubs. Give it a listen with a clear head. The truth of the matter is, women’s looks have mattered as long as men’s financial means. We’re just out in the open about it now, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing that people need to know what they should work on, and can evaluate whether it’s worth it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:13 PM
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I think no-fault divorce is a good idea. “Proving” cause for divorce is a wretched scenario. My objection is to the disproportionate rights granted to women in heterosexual marriages concerning property and alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 03:53 PM
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Insisting on commitment gives them good odds that they can steal half your stuff later. If divorce laws/practice didn't overwhelmingly favour women, maybe they'd be less interested in forcing someone to commit. Alternatively, it's possible that people really just want to bang one person only. That monogamy isn't some weird enforced-by-culture thing, and that it's what most people are actually comfortable with. Speaking for myself, I'm a one-at-a-time kind of guy. I don't want to share, and if I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:30 PM
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I remember my 'mentor' very vividly, who I only found in my 30s. I had no idea I was just grasping at straws until then. She's got a special place in my heart even though we haven't spoken in the years since we broke up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:46 PM
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It's a bit of a catch-22, but I generally agree. It is a little sad, because there are guys who are willing to learn but never found that sexual mentor to learn how to please women in bed, and then they end up in their late 20s or 30s and end up in these one night stands where women think they should know better and they don't, and so it all crumbles the first time they climb into bed together. I think women overestimate just how much sex the average guy gets, and sexual competence becomes a rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 12:59 PM
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Many of them are willing to be single. “Chad or bust” is a choice some people make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 05:16 PM
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While I don’t doubt there are predatory men, I don’t think you know how awful late-30s/40s women are. It’s not necessarily wanting an early 20-something ao much as not wanting the typical woman over 37-38.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:07 AM
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Speaking as an average 40+ year old man, some women do. I often date women around 30-35 even though I’m not particularly established, or wealthy or whatever. I take care of myself physically, and that helps. I think 20-somethings are probably out of the question, though; they don’t want someone as old as me, and I prefer more seasoned people. More than anything, I find women are more cagey and picky the older they get. I have a lot of trouble attracting 40+ year old women, so it’s often not a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 10:25 PM
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What the fuck am I supposed to do about someone else having a bad relationship? How is this my problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:36 PM
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I have poor emotional regulation, I'm selfish, bitter, jaded, and realistically am not looking to get attached. I've got walls. I think those things could be a dealbreaker for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:26 PM
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The divorce rate, and the declining marriage rate are not of concern. I think it's an outdated as an institution, and government should play no role in it anymore. I'm fine with people making commitments to each other, but I don't think there should be tax or policy incentives, nor should there be alimony (child support for absent parents, yes, though; seriously, support your kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:23 PM
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I'm going to take 'modern chivalry' to mean things like 'men opening doors for women', or generally being agreeable and kind to women. I think the causes for the death of this kind of conduct is myriad. First, I think feminism had a hand (and I only reference them because universal suffrage is the oldest feature that was part of the decline). We stopped believing that men and women were different, and there's no reason to show deference or kindness to another person who is ostensibly your equal.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:03 PM
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It's a pejorative way of saying that they fucked a lot of guys a lot and found zero commitment. c.f. worn out, or tired of dating, ready to settle down, etc. The person you're responding to has a particular view™.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:10 AM
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You set your standards to be what you want in a partner and what you can tolerate. People here really underrate being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:05 AM
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Yeah, there are some real weirdos around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:03 AM
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They discovered the existence of friends. I'm not convinced they have any from the post alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:03 AM
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I think my male friends certainly care more about me than my female friends. I daresay they love me, and I love them. They're always there for me. I have some really good friends. I have never had a woman care about me the way my best friends do. You state "women are still willing to be friends with a guy they wouldn't fuck or date" but IME, that's not actually true. I'm not willing to say that women are incapable of giving non-romantic acquaintances the attention that men do, but IME they haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:00 AM
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Before the internet, if you had a batshit insane relationship idea and you asked for validation, you almost could not get it. ... Nowadays, you can validate anything. Bingo. Pack it up boys, this answers pretty much everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:57 PM
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Conspiracies are pretty rare, IME. On balance, this is false, and some guy who has been banned on a bunch of platforms and is currently getting clicks on a new one before he gets banned is not a phenomenon. It's a simple pattern of making rage clickbait, getting banned from a platform, rinse, repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:55 PM
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You're not obligated to listen to someone's problems day in, day out. Even the most patient people have limits. Are you at yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 03:45 AM
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No particular faction has the monopoly stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:45 PM
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I want them to have opinions. We don't even have to agree. I'll even take "let me think about that one" when I show them something I think is interesting. I can't stand it when people are empty agreement machines. Second, they need to be kind. Occasional and accidental cruelty I can make exceptions for, but habitual viciousness isn't my cup of tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:49 PM
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Yeah, there are a ton of questions you can ask about these studies. Like, how do they measure happiness? Why is it a binary in the referenced results. Like, in the chart you can be "happy" or "not happy" with your marriage, but the results seem to imply that it's binary and there's no section of the populace defined by "it's pretty meh, we stay together because it's convenient" (and I can guarantee you those people exist irl). Since they're paywalled I couldn't tell you one way or another, or wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:12 PM
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I mean, I think it's important not to expect too much from the average redditer. We share the world with flat earthers. It's a known psychological phenomenon for people to be stuck in their opinions and impugn evidence contrary to them. This sub is full of threads where even getting someone to pin down a stance in a thread they started is impossible to do. I think I'm (relatively) kind to other people because my expectations of humanity are very... tempered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:47 PM
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Tbh, I wonder. There was an article about how men have better health outcomes if they get married and don't get divorced, but that never-married men were better off than divorced men. It's possible that women don't like this news because they want marriages and pre-marital partners. It's also possible they don't like this news because it's most often seen in red pill circles, and redpill people have drawn conclusions that are not necessarily true. Another user commented in another branch about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:22 PM
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The Atlantic article speculates on things like that. Maybe when you get two shy introverts, they get a happy marriage because they don't have to interact with more people than they want to. Like, what if it's a dude who can't get laid for the life of him, and then he manages to wife up that one chick who showed him kindness and interest. Of course he's going to be happy; he was a miserable single before! Very chicken and egg. Redpill narratives definitely point one direction, but I don't think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:17 PM
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For reference, I think it's this study. https://web.archive.org/web/20100725135317/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ I agree with you in some terms; like, women rate 80% of men as below average attractiveness (based on their interaction with the platform), but that just might mean that only uggos are using OKC, or people confronted with a deluge of profiles tend to gravitate only towards the most attractive. It's not a great testing grounds for social science, thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:13 PM
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I agree with you; there are a lot of armchair science journalists on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:04 PM
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From 1 to 21 partners, men go from 72.5% satisfaction to 60% From 1 to 21 partners, women go from 65% to 55%. Reduction of 12.5% for men, 10% for women. I wouldn't say women are 'way more sensitive'; men's likelihood of happiness drops more than women's. Though, it's interesting that men tend to be strictly happier in marriages across any number of partners, which strikes me as counter to the 'boomer narrative' about marriage/the ole ball and chain. I think the stat that most redpill types will …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:01 PM
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It's worth noting that men also experience diminished marital satisfaction, though not to the same degree as women. I wouldn't say that women are the only ones on the bad end of having too many partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 09:40 PM
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I think it's better not to consider yourself a statistic. Likelihoods aren't certainties.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:29 PM
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I think it's between 30 and 40. There's other pertinent info, though: I'm 40 years old, and 29-39 of them were in the last 5 years since I was married for a long time. I genuinely have lost count, and don't remember everyone. There was a lot of alcohol and some drugs involved. I never thought I'd end up with that many. I wanted to, but, I just didn't have the confidence; my marriage was largely a dead bedroom, and when people were interested after it was always bewildering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:10 PM
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I actually don't think I've ever asked. It's hard to be forgiving about something you don't even know about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 07:47 PM
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Arguably, it is only the modern era when it wasn't normalized. Marriages, historically, were used to secure alliances and consolidate property. Marriages centered around romantic love are a blip in the history of hetero relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:30 PM
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Here are two articles from different ends of the political spectrum that reference the study. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/ https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability Edit to add: the actual studies (rather than the journalism around it) are paywalled: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x https://psycnet.apa.org/buy/1987-15348-001
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:25 PM
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I mean, let's be clear: I personally know lots of uggos that got married. Have lasting relationships. Does every man make it? Obviously not. But, it's so far from being a real trend that I think the OP is full of poppycock, and it should be clear to anyone who, like, goes outside. Like, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:12 PM
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It depends on what you want to use the data point for, IMO. If it's your N-count and it's for bragging rights: I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:31 PM
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Certainly intrusive thoughts can be contrary; the common experience l'appel du vide occurs in even non-suicidal people. I also think that what we 'want to do' is actually really complicated. Take the addict, for example: they want to get their fix, but there is definitely a part of them that doesn't. I think some intrusive thoughts are very much desires from a deeper seat. Some tremendously non-rational part of our brains that isn't concerned with image, advantage, or gains, and is really just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:26 PM
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I like how this thread keeps going from "It's a dealbreaker, full stop" to "Oh, so he gets to fuck that woman, gimme a break, that doesn't count." Y'all keep saying "It doesn't count" when someone points out obvious counterexamples. The OP established an absolute, which is clearly incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:18 PM
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I think you need to ask yourself what a good argument against this would look like. In another branch of my comment about Devito, someone went from saying that attractiveness is impossible with status/wealth, to it being possible with personality. Tbh, I don't know what people would take as evidence counter to the OP's thesis, since none of this can be proven (because, who knows what 'being attracted to' actually entails in this context). I only point to behaviours of people who demonstrate that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:02 AM
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I think it's less than it used to be, but I think a lot of things are still there and some progress has been undone. There are common expectations of women that aren't fair. The big obvious example is abortion rights in the US. Pro-choice policy has good outcomes all around, but the repeal seems in large part to disenfranchise women. I just don't think women have the monopoly on suffering, and certainly not on indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:57 AM
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We all knew that already. I'm not the OP denying that uggos get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:42 AM
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OP said that bad traits are dealbreakers. I provided a counterexample. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:30 AM
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My argument is not that women have it better or worse, only that categoric misandry is present. If you don't care, that's fine, that hardly makes you unique. I wish people would stop inferring that I'm saying something I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:26 AM
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It's not an unstoppable urge, it's just an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:06 AM
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He literally has 3 kids and a wife of over 30 years, idk what kind of proof you want if that isn't enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:58 AM
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It is only a thought. I'm not a psychopath!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:26 AM
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I would say I challenge the view in a different direction: I'm not saying the OP is wrong, I'm saying their conclusion doesn't encompass enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:10 AM
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I mean, fat fetishism is common among fetishes. And, apparently personality/chemistry makes up for looks, so... So, like, if 'real attraction' is subjective, is it worth talking about? I guess if this is the tack the discussion goes on, we're just saying "attraction is attraction". Colour me surprised that no one wants uggos with abrasive personalities? Is the point that you need to have some combination of good features to be attractive, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:39 AM
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Ok, so this strikes me as no true scotsman in a nutshell. You're basically saying that it isn't "real attraction" if it is attraction to something other than looks. Any feature I can name, you can say "Well, that's not real attraction". It's means it's not arguable and there's no debate to be had when you can just say "Oh, that doesn't count".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:24 AM
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I've often wondered why Sometimes disasters are natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:15 AM
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Arguable that this is the OPs original point, and "attractive" is a muddy term in this conversation. If you clear a woman's standards through status/wealth, you could say she's attracted to you. Are you suggesting that if a woman is attracted to a man's height/looks, it's attraction, but if a woman is attracted to a man's wealth/status, it's not actually attraction (but something else)?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:14 AM
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He has said publicly that he gets his dick wet. But, that's a self-report, so I guess we can't be sure. But, I'm confident that he fucks. Edit: A simple google shows he has 3 kids, and they're ugly also. He definitely fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:12 AM
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And yet, he manages to. That's my point: Despite his looks/height being a dealbreaker, he does just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 11:20 PM
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He seems nice, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:33 PM
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It's pretty hard to find counterexamples of non-famous people nobody knows. Seems unverifiable, and I know some real uggos who managed to get hitched, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:33 PM
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Maybe I don't like urinal users? No... that's not it. I've thought about it a lot, and I think it has to do with the vulnerability of the other party with their willy out and arms down, combined with an intermittent seething hatred for other people I possess (that I have not gotten to the root of, but do my best not to act on). But, all this is only to illustrate that we can't really judge people for their thoughts. They're harmless, unless we act on them. In reference to the OP, I don't think h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:18 PM
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I will concede that there are some good, powerful men portrayals in media. I would say, though, in general, we get more shit like the Gilette commercial, Homer Simpsons, etc. than we do get the good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:15 PM
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I agree. I think we're defined by our actions. For example, frequently when I see someone at a urinal, I have an intrusive thought to grab their head from behind and smash their face into it until they're dead. But I have never actually done it, no matter how much I've had to drink or what drugs I've been on. I think that makes me pretty okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:08 PM
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If he was making 75k a year and drove a volvo, I guarantee everyone would say he was ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:59 PM
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"so a man cannot compensate for bad traits." my bad, I must have misinterpreted this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:59 PM
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I don't think it makes it devalues the friendship. I think when someone's desire overrides their behaviour and they become discourteous or pushy, or if they find friendship without sex to be painful, that it becomes an issue. If sexual jokes, or "haha, just joking... unless" kinds of situations become uncomfortable for the other person, it ought to stop. I also think people with painful unrequited feels should cut contact. No one is owed sex or friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:58 PM
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So I can only imagine that when men go out into the world, get jobs, and aren't assholes, part of them has to wonder why they don't have hot women throwing themselves at them. I have a friend who is exactly this guy. He went out, got educated, got a good job, and... nothing. He struggles with women, and he feels like he obeyed all the rules and just someone flipped the table on him. That he was lied to. I would wager you're very much in the right; media has given us all incredibly unrealistic vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:35 PM
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I suppose if you want to say "men can be powerful if they're morally corrupt", that's a message.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:33 PM
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I'm not saying it's "womens fault" even if women use the term more often. I'm also not saying that right-wing circles are any better in other arenas (I think with respect to many things, right wingers say even less acceptable things). I'm not proclaiming men innocent in this either. I think anyone can be caught up in a cultural current. I'm only saying that a culture of misandry exists and that body shaming of men (with relevance to the OP, dick-size shaming) is a symptom of it. That's literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:31 PM
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All the time. Usually people in leftist circles (I keep company with people of different political stripes). I would say it's most rampant on social media, but I've heard it in real life at about the same rate as other objectionable phrases. If you google it, you can see it's in pretty common usage colloquially, and there's plenty of music and merch featuring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 08:06 PM
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I would say that Malcolm in the Middle is counterculture. The vast majority of media portrays men the other way. Just because there's a few instances of powerful/competent men doesn't mean that it's a cultural indicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:53 PM
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I think it's everyone. But, if we're being honest, which gender uses the phrase "small dick energy" the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:51 PM
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Part of me agrees with you. I used to be very much in your shoes: Pick every battle, never back down, no retreating. Very much devil-may-care. As I got older, I began to see the sum of the forces arrayed against us. That you win a battle by speaking out here, but are punished elsewhere. And then, you begin to see how little you actually have. You begin notice that you can lose everything, including things you took for granted. If you speak out fifty times, do you think it will change? How about …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:50 PM
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It isn't really different now, either. I think young women are growing up with the current iterations of Mary Sue in media are going to think everything is going to get handed to them when it sure as fuck isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:41 PM
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Wait you think this is caused by misandry?!? Yes. Hell TRP weaponizes it. Man up, become alpha, don’t be a beta. No, TRP presents a logical proposition. It is "If you want to get your dick wet, get fit, get rich, become personally detached". If you want to get your dick wet, do these things. If not, it's nothing to them. Not that I agree with TRP, but I think you're saying they prescribe something when they don't. Again you think women push this narrative of big dicked chads being the goal? Y’al…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:35 PM
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I'm going to level with you: I don't feel like anything I do makes a difference. I'm going to ramble at you because this is about the only time (and certainly the only place) I feel like I get the opportunity. I have a long memory. When I was a child, I daydreamt what I would do if I were powerful in some way. Politically, I would just fix things. If I were a mutant like the one of the X-Men in cartoons, I would fix things. If I were rich like Batman, I would fix things. I grew up, I got educate…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:31 PM
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I wrestled with myself as to whether it was off-topic or not, but I think it's better to have posted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:19 PM
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What happens when you put Danny DeVito's stats into that equation of yours? He's got everything except he's butt ugly and short, and he still fucks. Everything he has outweighs his one negative trait that is supposedly a dealbreaker. I think you're just not viewing it in a nuanced enough way. Money might have a lot of weight, or being ugly might not be as heavy as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:09 PM
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I would say this isn't just about dick size, but about men writ large. The mainstream has been hacking at and tearing down men since the late 80s. Males in virtually all media have been portrayed as having especially low intelligence, being incompetent or having completely non-negotiable foibles since then. The Simpsons, Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond (which, incidentally, nobody loved), The Flintstones, Friends, and every advert ever. If you just look at the top television shows of the 90s, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:01 PM
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I mean, this is the elephant in the room for TRP; why would you need instructions on how to be/present as 'alpha' if you were already there? I think they quietly acknowledge that, though. I don't see that as a bad thing, either. A lot of guys have trouble navigating dating and relationship dynamics, and the ground floor advice on TRP can be really helpful, in the same way that pick up community advice can be helpful. I think there's a peril in going down the rabbit hole and adopting every weird …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 04:48 PM
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I think it depends on how old you are. I routinely date in the 30-35 crowd at 40, but when I was 35, it was late 20s and early 30s. But, people my own age aren't generally interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 04:33 PM
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Ok, but what's the commission for the cage? It's gotta be more considering parts and labour...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 04:13 PM
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tl;dr: There are two questions, here. Easy? No. Worth it? Maybe, depending on how much you make and how much risk there is. I think there's a distribution on how well people do based on how much they work and how much 'talent' they have. Part 1: Is it easy? I would venture that the people at the bottom end of OF are just not putting in the work: They put up videos, pics, or whatever, but they're not doing marketing work. They're quiet on social media, they aren't running promos, they aren't post…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 04:11 PM
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It lines up with my personal experience. I'm 40, and 40somethings won't give me the time of day, but people 5-10 years younger are much more interested. I hate that thread in society about men preying on naive young women; I date almost exclusively on apps, and I'm not manipulating them into a match. They pick me, and the people my age or older... don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 03:40 PM
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Because there are a ton of reasons not to bang. Plagues, economic uncertainty, Zoomers just not getting into it at all while some demographics finish pairing up or depart from the dating pool. Do you really think it’s that women have just been more religious since 2012? IME, it’s never just one cause that changes the game. It’s always a bunch of factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:19 PM
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Women coming forward with fantasy echoes my experiences. I’m not especially vanilla, but I’ve had more than one woman ask ‘harder’ or I’ve had to respond with a “you’re into THAT?” I think it’s a weird myth that men are always the ones demanding degrading to do degrading stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:05 PM
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40.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:34 PM
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100%, but, I would take “faithful girls are on the rise” with a lotta salt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:34 PM
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There are such things as social coaches. I don’t mean /r/seduction, or trp, or this place. I mean real world professionals. It might be worth a look.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:29 PM
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Our experiences are going to be different. Questions are A-Okay with me. Alright, so here’s what I meant by selection bias as a background: I’m 40 and have been dating actively for about 5 years (after a divorce). I’m unsure about my body count. The people I end up on dates with tend to be at least a little adventurous; I’m pretty impatient and I won’t focus on someone who wants to chat for weeks before meeting up. Additionally, the freakiest people who were at my limits were sex-on-the-first-da…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:14 PM
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For the ungentle crowd, rough PIV (like really pounding them), hickeys that wouldn’t be visible while dressed, ass slapping, rough grabbing of boobs, folding them with their ankles near their shoulders during PIV (though that was less common, and usually not for very long), holding them down, that kind of thing. The hard stops for that crowd tended to things that were painful for more than a moment. Anything that would cause sustained pain was a definite no. I mean, I want to stress people are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:49 PM
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IME as a het guy, of the people I slept with, some desire for ungentle play was deliriously common, but definitely not the majority. Only a small handful wanted to be choked or have their hair pulled, to be left bruised or be gagged with whatever. I think only two (less than 5%) wanted to be called names or humiliated. <Obligatory note about selection bias here>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:31 PM
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I think it’s important to consider the source of this interpretation of the data. It’s a very Christian pro-abstinence site, and they want to portray themselves as winning a culture war against the godless libs. The actual reasons why sexlessness is on the rise are opaque, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:00 PM
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I can’t speak for the women, but men often aren’t ignoring women at all. They don’t get any attention, get rejected a few times and give up. For many men, they aren’t passing on obvious opportunities; there just aren’t getti g any.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 08:43 PM
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I meant what I said by ‘reliable source’. My scientific literacy isn’t top tier, but most of the claims here are so ludicrous that only minimal literacy is required to see through them. … even if that minimal literacy is uncommon. I do agree that people here are dismissive of sources that don’t agree with them, using established logical fallacies as shields, even/especially when they don’t apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:46 PM
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In terms of a woman’s biological experience, I have no frame of reference. In terms of political/societal experience… Bodily autonomy. I’m pro-choice; it has good societal and health outcomes. Dating sucks for het women as much as it does for men, just in a different way. It must be hard to want a relationship and then walk the tightrope of sexual interaction, or handling of feigned interest. I think everything else is pretty much equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:22 PM
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I don’t know. Historically, I’ve changed my mind when someone has posted an argument with reliable sources, but those kinds of posts/comments are really rare. Perhaps I’m in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:08 PM
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I agree somewhat. One of the reasons I come here is because impressionable people may be watching. I don’t think many people posting here are interested in having their minds changed, but an unknown number of people are only reading, and I think those people are open to different points of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:25 PM
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I think it has to do with this sub’s foundation. Normal people coming here see the posters here as sex-obsessed, calculating, and frankly, disconnected from their emotions. Obviously people have other facets, but what turns up here is primarily concerned with a particular view of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:49 PM
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Disagree with some of your premises. Cheating isn’t “hard wired” in men. I think for me, I just wish we were actually treated equally, and that media would stop pretending men are at some ludicrous advantage in every arena of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:57 AM
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Anecdotally, as someone roughly the same age at 6'1", it rarely crosses my mind, and when it does it's because of the absolute privilege I get from it. Subtle heightism in workplaces and romantically (and probably in other arenas) is definitely a thing. I don't generally talk about it because I don't want it to add to blackpill discourse. If you're short, ok, but there's nothing to be done about it and you may as well live your life as though you were not short and take all the chances you would…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:36 PM
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I think there are a couple of things at play here. First, is the if they want to date. By the time men are wealthy enough to be attractive on that sole feature, you'll find that you're just not all that interested in women. Sex drive declines with age, and while I was rabidly bedding as many women as I wanted post-marriage, in the last few years, my standards have shot up and my willingness to entertain bullshit has gone down. Second, the average man is pretty lame. If you're fat, and socially a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:05 PM
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Fair. I think PPD skews younger and part of my post does talk about them dating, but you are essentially correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:57 PM
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Neither especially tall or short, in North America chubby but not grotesquely fat, drinks or does relatively safe rec drugs on weekends, maybe does exercise once or twice a week, works some desk job that they don't like, has friends but no romantic prospects, looks on apps, talks to matches he gets, gets one date a month, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:55 AM
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I wonder what the 'physical disability' cues were. Like, were they a four-time amputee, or did they have a vanity cane?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:54 AM
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You can have quality sex with some ugly people, let me tell you. Some of the best sex in my life have been with people who were not the 'hottest'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:49 AM
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I try and set up dates within 24 hours of meeting someone. They're either into me or they aren't. If they're into me and spooked, they're not for me anyway; I don't mix well with the overly cautious. I think to each their own, though. If two people wanted to wait weeks or months to actually have a first date, it'd be nothing to me, and maybe that's a kind of match in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:47 AM
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I don't really care how quickly or not that they slept with other people. I care whether they're compatible with me. I like sex, early and often, and if it isn't supplied, I move on. I think of it as a mismatch. It doesn't much matter if sex is ultra-special to them or if they're playing a mindgame; both those things are incompatibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:46 AM
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As others have said, I don't think it's about acknowledgments or societal solutions. It's about men making informed choices about marriage and commitment in general. The Laws™ dictate that you can (and likely will) lose half your stuff without recourse and that you don't have any reproductive rights beyond using birth control, and that you could be the victim of paternity fraud (with variable recourse based on jurisdiction), and men are still being shown the same shit from 30 years ago in the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:42 AM
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There are plenty of not-shitty women on apps. Here's how you disprove it: Open the app, look at some profiles. Second, you don't have to be perfect to land a lay or a relationship. I'm not a 'catch', but I don't actually know my N-count. I would say you're overcomplicating things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:00 PM
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If you don’t accept any contrary evidence for your beliefs, there’s not much we can discuss here. The truth of the matter is that many, many ‘lesser males’ seem to succeed with naive strategies like “just asking someone out and then never breaking up with them.” Your schema also implies that men should only ever fuck and abandon, and that relationships are entirely a farce. Good luck mate-hunting, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:37 PM
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Sure. I would also say that only one species on the planet has Tinder, restaurants, or public transit. We might be sufficiently different for your comparison to animals to not matter. Here’s a fun outlier for you: When I shacked up with my ex wife, I was overweight, didn’t have much of a future, and was a sad boy. We had two children. And then, the icing on the cake is that I divorced her and pay some marginal child support. What’s the genetic animal advantage to a no future nobody sad boy non-p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:21 PM
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Not my experience with most women I’ve met.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:37 PM
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I mean, I wouldn’t call these things ‘needs’, I suppose. I’m happy to die alone at this point; I’ve had a great amount of fun, and I can’t say having a life partner is a big priority. I think someone to share my life with would be frightfully nice, but not necessary, strictly speaking. Definitely not so desirable that I’m going to focus on the things the OP lists for the purposes of attracting a nondescript spouse. Besides, you don’t really need those things the OP mentions; I had nothing when I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:47 AM
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I think that depends on what any individual man needs. Let’s be clear here: I don’t think men and women are one-size-fits-all. Obviously on dating apps, looks are paramount, but, I think for actual relationships (where people actually relate to each other) all this stuff from TRP and FDS goes out the window. Personally, I want someone who shares an interest. Someone I can talk to who and learn from. I’m busy, jaded, and old, so I’m not holding my breath for someone to appear and fulfill my needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:16 AM
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Well, if that’s all, one could say they’re entirely interchangeable and commitment is a farce. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:53 AM
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Ok, but what do women bring to the table? Your whole premise is based on this idea that women are prizes to be won, and that men need to put in the career/gym/social work so we can attain a partner. You’re just describing red pill ideology without the idea that red pill adherents should treat women as disposable. Women need to be more than just an object to have with the two variables of “youth” and “hotness”. They need to have personalities and interests and shit. They need to be people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:33 AM
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M40: Currently zero, but I haven’t been looking lately. Historically… I don’t know. I cannot remember everyone I’ve slept with, and nearly all my partners have been purely sexual rather than relationships (which has suited me just fine).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:20 PM
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IME ‘niceness’ as a term is inadequate. There’s a bunch of variables that apply when you call someone ‘nice’, and it’s insufficient to encompass what’s actually going on. For example, someone can be courteous but ungenerous, cruel but honest, etc. Nice doesn’t describe much at all, unless they have all qualities you’d consider to be part of the ‘nice’ composite. Personally, I’m socially a jackass but I consider myself kind; I’m quick to poke fun, and am loud with my opinions, but I’m caring with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:12 PM
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I like to see what the real weirdos of the internet think. I’ve been on the side of many pills over time, but I generally believe people here overthink things. I also believe there’s a kernal of truth in most sides here; red pillers have good points about dating on apps, blue pillers have some optimism which doesn’t typically hurt them, etc. Anyway, it’s a kind of misery tourism, where I get to see tremendously unhappy people digging their own graves in a way that is perfectly represented by the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:04 PM
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I think this is the rough part of modern dating for women. The only way I can think of is that if he shows interest in you beyond boning. If he only texts for sex or sex-related things, that’s the only thing he’s looking for. I couldn’t say otherwise; ymmv
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:56 PM
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Managing your mental health makes dating easier, whatever your goals. Being able to set and enforce boundaries, and not pinning all your self-worth on your dating prospects and goals makes it a lot easier to have standards and to not be all cut up when it doesn’t work out. When I was depressed and in turmoil, I had a lot of my self-esteem riding on the next lay, but now that I’m in a better place, it doesn’t matter nearly as much. Not having that weight really helps me (personally) have standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:35 PM
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I’d just sleep around. Relationships are a lot of responsibility and work, and there’s no impetus for me (personally) to have a ‘real’ relationship if sex is freely available; I’m divorced and have had all the children I want. My marriage was good for some of it, but I don’t want to feel duty-bound to be on someone’s team anymore, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:23 PM
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These things are not mutually exclusive. You can fuck a bunch and develop your skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 06:31 AM
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It’s also portion size. A couple of slices of pizza is very different from half a pizza. But yeah, the vast majority of the time I eat very simply, and I don’t think most people realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 04:01 PM
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100% agree. 40m, fit, and sometimes people seem to be of the impression that I don’t live a very active lifestyle, or that I don’t watch what I eat. That it just happens, and I don’t work at it. “It’s just luck I guess!”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 03:07 PM
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Absolutely can respect some of them. There is more to a person than how ruthless they are in personal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 02:51 PM
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Some, yes. But, jeez, definitely not all. Some of them are crazy, others in moments of real desperation/depression. I don’t have to revisit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 02:50 PM
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TRP has some good basic advice and when you examine them in a vacuum, they seem kind of obvious. Take the bare bones stuff: fitness, wealth, status. So, you should go to the gym, focus on your career, and be a well-liked/well-respected person in your social circles. What's the opposite of that? Be sedentary, have no ambition, and be uninspiring/a wallflower. Who would find that attractive? I think once you start to take a lot of the other stuff seriously, you're on a path that gets further and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:35 PM
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Is it the status of a music star that makes them attractive? I wouldn't call myself a red pill advocate, but this is pretty much the answer. In RP theory, if you have a shit ton of status, or money, then you don't have to be as physically attractive. That said, K-Pop stars tend to be physically fit and tall (especially when considered among other Asians). I think one of the things RP advocates for people getting jacked is that it's a (comparatively) easy way to be attractive. Piling on more musc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:28 PM
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It's just not going to happen. For all of human history, men have occupied positions requiring hard labour, or as soldiers (most of them unwilling), and no one has cared. No institution is ever going to divest itself of billions of disposable workers and fighters.
/r/MensRights24/09/21 04:37 AM
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They really don't care. Please don't kid yourself. We live every day in casual misandry. Remember how there were all those headlines about how two women soldiers were killed in Afghanistan evacuation? The other 11 casualties were men. Any time you say "But 11 men died", how do you think any woman is going to respond? Do you really believe they care, and that they'll just say "oh, now I see that men are dying all the time"? No. They don't care. You can depend on yourself, but don't think, not for…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 04:35 AM
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This is a fine thread to find out people here have unrealistic ideas for partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 02:36 AM
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It's positive attention. Men and boys get basically zero positive attention or validation throughout their entire lives, and end up purchasing it. They dress it up with altruism, being 'nice' or whatever, but, at the end of the day, they put money in and get a 'good boy' back, and since humans generally need affection and validation, it's like a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 02:43 PM
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"Nice guys finish last" originated in the 1940s, long before anime was a thing. Second, virtually no one believes they're "owed" sex. It'd be really nice, but, I don't think anyone is thinks "and since I was nice, you now owe me one sex, please." I think that the objection from people who say this sort of thing is that being nice is worth nothing or a detriment. There are many not-nice people out there with more pussy than they can handle. If it has zero or negative impact on getting attention o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:09 PM
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If we accept that 20% of guys are 'good enough', you have to ask why the other 80% aren't. You immediately draw the conclusion that it's because they don't try, but it very well could be that women have standards that are too high. Do you really think that 80% of men are like 'nah, too far' and that it's entirely on men? That seems like a massive skew to blame men on. A hidden part of your statement is that you're absolving women of their expectations that are (frankly) completely unrealistic if…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:06 AM
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There's a good rundown in this video. Basically, onlyfans operators are providing something that porn isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:02 AM
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Most were the stereotypical couple;<snip> Formerly married, divorced four plus years ago. We're amicable. Yeah, I fall within those age ranges. Why do people spend so much time together then only realize once their actually married that they don't want to be with this person. I would assume there were already telltale signs. This is a very broad question, and you'd only ever ask it if you never found yourself in their circumstances. There's a lot of reasons to stay with someone. Everyone says "y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:59 AM
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Sure. And we are allowed to point and laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:39 AM
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To be fair, I care way more about personal fitness than makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:57 PM
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So, women spend 12% more time on personal appearance. On average. Hm. I don’t know. I don’t have a horse in this race; wear makeup, don’t, it doesn’t make much difference to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:55 PM
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Findings released by GfK from a 22-country survey show that women spend an average of almost five hours a week on personal grooming (bathing, shaving, dressing, hair, make-up), while men spend just over three hours. This is an interesting case of oranges to apples. I might only spend 3 hours a week grooming, but I spend 6+ hours working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:09 PM
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Certainly you might have some kind of NPD or something. And that's a good explanation of your behavior. But it's not an excuse to act impulsively on that desire to be loved. This is definitely the heart of it for me. I think if I could explain it, better it'd be that most people have the moral luck of not finding themselves in positions of excruciating pain, or having to make hard decisions. I'd be more inclined to forgive someone i just met and wanted to date if they'd cheated at age 16 and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:07 PM
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I'll be honest and blunt, i do look down on you for cheating. I believe that cheating and betrayal is almost certainly the worst possible violation of trust a human being could do. I'm not advocating for violence against cheaters but lets just say i completely understand the "crime of passion" mitigating circumstances idea in court. That's fine. Cheating is rather improper, isn't it? Very, very few people know IRL, and are from social circles other than my own. I doubt it will ever come back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:55 AM
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Oh so it was after you were married? Yeah, dang shouldn't have proposed if she didnt respect you. Well, we all make mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20. Onward and upwards! But you still shouldn't have cheated. Yeah, I mean, I know that. I'm not proud of it, and am on the fence about regretting it. Definitely wouldn't do it again. I only share it on this account because I think people need to know what it feels like from the other side. People often think of cheaters as subhuman; this thread is kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 10:59 PM
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What is the problem in having these standards? Nothing. It's just someone trying to guilt you into helping them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:55 PM
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I have never been able to understand the appeal, even after it's been explained to me. I don't get it. I didn't get it, even when I saw it in action. Towards the end of my marriage, I had a mental breakdown. Acted like a total dick to lots and lots of people. But, I tell you, the pussy rained from the sky, even though I was married. And I can't see this as patriarchy, considering romance authors are usually female for a female readership. For the romance/smut category, it is almost entirely fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:50 PM
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Men are to blame once again, lol. I can't put my finger on it, but I think there's a pattern here. Women get their egos inflated because they can get X matches on Tinder, or that there are truly lonely/desperate men online that they would never touch giving them money, compliments or whatever. They don't realize that (at least according to statistics) that is harder than ever to have a lasting relationship with someone who is more than a subservient glorified house pet. I would venture that your…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:41 PM
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What made you cheat? Lots of things. But, the relationship was very damaged, I think. She didn't have much respect for me at the start, it got worse over time, and I didn't have a good model for relationships growing up. It's that old boomer joke, where the surest way to get your partner to stop sleeping with you is to put a ring on it. Well, by the time someone said they were interested in me even though I was attached, I couldn't resist. There's a desperate unhappiness that comes with having a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:17 PM
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I think the premise of this whole question is flawed. There's more to a woman than your list, just like there is more to men than the digits in their back account. It's not the sole arbiter of attraction, and it isn't always a dealbreaker. Second, people improving their looks as they get older is tremendously unlikely. It seems especially especially asinine to compare it to career trajectories. People reach their peak earning potential later in life, but neither men nor women generally have bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:15 PM
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Men are notoriously bad at 'reading body language'. It's literally easier for the average man to control their diet, work out 6 days a week, and hope for the best on any given approach than it is to catch those signals people are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:54 PM
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Whether you're a creep or not really seems to be determined by whether they would find you attractive or not. No one has ever been able to explain the difference to me without that. I've seen the exact same women talk about hoping the cute guy in a grocery store will say something to her and the next week complain that some mouthbreather tried to hit on her in the same grocery store. Honestly, I think this is why men flock to dating apps. Whether they're willing to be approached by you is pre-ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:26 PM
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I guess body shape isn't the only criterion for attractiveness? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 04:59 PM
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According to the red pill mythos From that lens, it seems impossible. TRP isn't infallible. That said, there are other ways to look at it that make it true. Maybe you were more attractive at 24, but didn't have the audience? Or, maybe you didn't capitalize on that attractiveness, so it was a kind of functional unattractiveness even if you ticked all the 'attractive' boxes? Really, it's anyone's guess what happened over the last 11 years. I think TRP is wrong about some things; it's totally easy …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:58 PM
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Cheating, is it ever justified? I cheated when I was married. There were a lot of circumstances surrounding it, but I don't think it's ever justified. What are the conditions that make people want to cheat? If there's no intimacy, and you aren't getting your needs fulfilled (not just sexually), those are the conditions where it happens. Sometimes, people aren't even looking; if your partner despises you and someone expresses desire for you, it's like a drug. I have sympathy for anyone who wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:19 PM
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Just more 'man bad, woman victim' claptrap. There are plenty of people having healthy relationships with an age gap. Some people had bad experiences and were groomed while they were young and naive, but, that isn't every relationship. People want to draw universals from their experiences even though they just can't be true at first blush on odds alone. That's how information seems to work now, c.f. all men are bad, AWALT, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:14 PM
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Life ain't that great for men even though public discourse pretends it is. More at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:08 PM
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acccording to men Men are not a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:03 PM
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I didn’t split 50/50 with my wife, and look where that got me? Anyway, I heard we’re all equal now, and I don’t see what the fuss is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 12:37 PM
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I’ve already played the “provider and good man game” and gotten pretty badly burned. Maybe I chose poorly, but it doesn’t matter. I’ve never met a woman who was worth the risk. I’d rather be alone than be with someone who believes (and could legally attempt to claim) that they should have total access to what I’ve earned by myself. You do you, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 12:07 AM
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As much as I enjoy that sub, I have to agree; they really manage to sift for the worst women possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 08:06 PM
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... but it seems men get mad when there’s ANY importance on money. This just isn't true. I think even the harshest manospherans would say that a woman chose badly if she picked a homeless guy without two pennies to rub together. I think the problem men have with women who 'care about money' is that they often feel entitled to it. If you google "my husband makes more than me but insists we split 50 50" you'll get a lot of articles humming and hawing about how the richer partner (ostensibly the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 07:50 PM
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Because you can't fight city hall. First, you probably won't see change within your lifetime. The pendulum isn't even on its way back, and it's unclear if it's slowing down. You can complain about social issues that disproportionately affect men, but there's still no research being done. Men kill themselves 4:1 compared to women, but there's no research, and no attempt at prevention. Men are homeless 3:1 compared to women, but, like, when was the last time you saw a real anti-homeless campaign? …
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 08:45 PM
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I was a regular on /r/datingoverthirty a while ago on a different account. Honestly, I think it's because women like to complain about their dating woes, but I see the same stories over and over. Women pick lousy partners, and then vent, wonder where all the good men are, etc. Men over 30, especially recent divorcees get rejected over and over or don't get matches/conversations, and then they either give up, or find a partner and glue themselves to them. Also, men, I think, are less likely to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:22 PM
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No big surprise here; women initiate ~70% of all divorces. If this is indeed true, what are the implications? It definitely makes you wonder about the marriage paradigm. If there's an increased likelihood of your partner being bored, maybe you never tie that knot. Maybe men should emotionally insulate themselves against the likelihood. It's a lot like gambling. The only difference now is that we can see the odds better and better the more research that gets done.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:18 PM
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Eh. I've had some women ghost after sex. Sometimes all people want is a notch in their belt, or the sex wasn't that good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:14 PM
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None of the above. There is no obligation to risk yourself for anyone. There are no guilty bystanders. Women have no obligation to protect men, either. Whether you should or not is up to the individual. I was reading a couple comments from a while back on PPD and saw one that said basically "the Montreal misogynist massacre proves that men are misogynist and women haters, because no man stepped up to protect women (the targets) and even left the room when ordered to by the killer." If that's wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:11 PM
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The same reason #killallmen is unmoderated and occasionally trends on twitter. The quicker you learn you're on your own and that institutions aren't at all interested in helping you, the better off you will be. It sounds extreme, but that's how it is. There's a reason why men become more libertarian as they get older. They find out that public institutions don't care about them, and that cultural institutions don't either.
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 12:51 AM
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Ay, this isn't an accurate representation. The right side column should say "Roughly used pussy, maybe."
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 12:47 AM
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I like a real man who respects women Pick one.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 03:47 PM
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never fall in love with a traumatized psycho Fixed it for ya
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/04/21 10:35 PM
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I did Krav Maga for a while. It's good for the self confidence; having self-defense in your back pocket is useful for standing up to people who might not be overtly threatening, but might make you afraid otherwise. I also liked the no-uniform/no-ranks thing in Krav Maga. You just came in, learned what you could learn, and then left. I feel like belts/ranks/whatever is just noise that detracts from the real thing you're doing. Honestly, it comes down to cost, time you can spend vs. schedules the …
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 07:05 PM
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Ah, so you believe in #2, then? I don't have solid opinions on this. Much of it is unknowable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:54 PM
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I have replaced my addictions with exercise with some success. Basically, many addicts need to sublimate whatever their addiction is with something else. Some habits are better than others, and if we choose to do the other habits, we can be better off (or at least, not as badly off). For what it's worth, I had/have a drug and alcohol problem. I've transferred it to weightlifting and ever more extreme hot sauces (if you consume enough of it, it's like a drug). I think to actually overcome it, you…
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 06:52 PM
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I really do suspect it's the case. TRP dehumanizes and objectifies women as a way of not getting invested. I'm not sure if most TRP adherents actually believe AWALT or whatever, but they might need it as a reminder to avoid getting fleeced by bad women. If this isn't the case, what do you believe the reason TRP gets hate on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:46 PM
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Idk. I only log into this account and view PPD when I feel like getting into it with someone. It serves a purpose, but I don't browse here for enlightenment or anything. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:33 PM
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Yes. Fat people are at a greater disposition for chronic disease, which if you're their partner, should probably help them through. If my partner is sick, I help them out. But, fat people get sick more often, sometimes incurably. Second, I want my partner to be able to do athletic things with me. I like to rock climb, it's a two-person activity, and there's no one I would like to trust more than a partner. Third, fat people are significantly less fuckable than thin ones. It's just the way it is.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:25 PM
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It's because many of the other things Lilith posts are nonsensical or ridiculous. She happens to be correct this time; a broken clock is still right twice a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:20 PM
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Finally, we agree on something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 06:19 PM
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I think we can just chalk this up to women who find it easier to complain about being fat than fix being fat. It's not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:59 PM
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Caveat: Red pill gets treated well on PPD, when you compare with literally every other place. I think there's a few possibilities: Red pill gets hate (from everyone) because they prescribe treating women badly as a self-defense mechanism. Red pill gets hate because it ruins the female agenda and it's no different than inquisitors locking up Kepler or any other establishment criminalizing dissent from the status quo (this is red pill's stance as far as I can tell) Red pill is just violently wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 05:28 PM
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This reminds me of sadcringe.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 05:17 PM
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May your sacrifice return favour 100 fold for generations Whose generations?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 11:19 PM
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I mean, okay. If your stance is “you points don’t matter to me” I don’t have any more engagement for you. But, from the looks of it, no one seems to share your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 08:26 PM
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Sure, let’s say point 2 is irrelevant. But, you started this thread with a bunch of examples from literal fiction, so I’m not sure whose point is less relevant. Look, you said “women don’t really like bad boys”, and I gave you a bunch of contradictory evidence. Take away what you want from that, but I don’t think you’re convincing anyone by sidestepping the facts I presented, especially in point 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 03:20 PM
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All I’m doing is citing sources that show that the premise of your discussion doesn’t model reality and you’re going to have to do some legwork in order for this topic to be viable. Right now, it looks like you’re asking why the world is flat, and everyone is saying ‘yo, the world isn’t flat’. None of this about me, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 01:09 PM
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Sometimes, people judge you if you're not paying. It's about Face.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:32 AM
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But then why are they sucking so much 'bad boy' dick? Quantity of Romantic partners is positively correlated to criminal/antisocial behaviour: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19350760/ In high school, each point of IQ above average increases your chances of virginity by 3% http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php Please cite some sources, because nearly all evidence, anecdotal or scientific, points to fucking dickwads getting laid while people who aren't, aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:14 AM
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There's a common thread in a tale about a woman who makes it through four husbands. Hint: It's the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:06 AM
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Yes. My mother's behaviour became a lot clearer after I read redpill stuff. I remember her telling me that while she was dating my father, she was also dating two other men. Definitely my aunts as well. I don't have any sisters and I'm not close with extended family, so I can't really speak to the others. I should add, I have female friends who are definitely not as Redpill describes. But, I'll tell you what: They're in the minority by a significant margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:04 AM
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Kind of on the other side of redpill at this point. It was on my periphery for a while; I think I may have actually googled "why won't my wife sleep with me", found PUA circles, and eventually Redpill and MGTOW subreddits. I guess, this was long ago, when you could still find those things on google with that kind of question. Anyway, I had a nervous breakdown when I was married. Acted like a dick, lost a ton of weight because I couldn't eat. Basically had a extended psychotic episode. During the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:47 AM
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On that, I agree; it would be courteous. I guess I'm a bit jaded to really believe in it as an expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 05:31 PM
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I agree; I don't think we know either way. To your point, though, "Women deserve to be pleasured by their partners as much as men do", I don't think that's the case. I think the cultural current we have now is that no one owes anyone anything, and that 'deserve' is an empty concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:22 PM
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Sure, but yours and my experience is not universal. Clearly there are a lot of women out there who are frustrated, despite having 'easy' orgasms. Second, I don't think that if men were harder to pleasure, that the average women would step up and take responsibility. In that way, I don't think that women and men are so different (apparently).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:59 PM
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Look, you say it's "easy", but then most men can't make it happen. You could draw the conclusion that "most men don't give a shit", but, the other conclusion you can draw is that it isn't easy for men because they don't have the physiology to be as intuitive. From my own experience, it's not super simple like pressing a button. I kind of hate the idea that people will just conclude "no, this whole swath of people are lazy" instead of something being legitimately not easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:35 PM
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Lines up with my suspicions. Thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:13 PM
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I don't think I referenced a toy in my comment, but, I think this stance is worth answering. You write "women deserve to feel pleasured by their male partners as much as men do". I don't think women actually have all that much agency when it comes to the pleasure of their man. Pleasure comes easily for men. But, imagine that it didn't. Do you really think women would take responsibility for male pleasure if it was more difficult? I don't, not for a second. Consider how the incel crowd is treated…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 01:47 PM
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FWIW, I did read this, and will bear it in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 10:42 PM
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Impossible to formulate a policy. What is 'dating success' anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 10:31 PM
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Could you expound on the bolded? IME, boys (especially homeless ones) have a willingness to take risks to survive. The proceeds of begging (IME) generally favour women/girls rather than men/boys. That means men will sometimes have to resort to theft under and sometimes violent means. IME, women never had to resort to violent means, and could almost always beg for enough. Men almost universally had to at least shoplift. I think it's a kind of resilience that gives you the gall to steal clothes, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:12 PM
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Of course, there are the outlier men who succeed and innovate, but it seems the overwhelming majority of men born to these circumstances "flounder" more than their female counterparts. I think it's because society at least marginally helps women in need, but doesn't care a whole lot about men. Like, if a little girl gets raped, and someone finds out, there's uproar, sometimes on a national level. How many times has their been a missing little girl with national media coverage, but, young boys go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 07:05 PM
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Oh, you mean that women sometimes will attempt to capture men as status symbols? Usually tied to conventional attractiveness, wealth, or athletic ability? Hm. I've heard this somewhere before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 06:35 PM
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I disagree. My standard is: Don't pay ever. Why should I? We're all equal now, aren't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 05:51 AM
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... have sudden realisations of their bi sexuality. They also seem to be a lot more positive with each other than with the opposite sex. IMO, it's the massive media machine that says men are bad all day, every day. Look, if women developed eating disorders because of beauty standards in magazines before the 80s, surely the media that continually trumpets the turpitude of men nudges the opinion of the average woman to view men with disfavour. (It also probably affects the self esteem of men, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 05:49 AM
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I wouldn't want to guess at her motivations. 'Why' is an open question. Maybe she just wanted a FWB for a while and then ditched when the new relationship feels wore out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 08:40 PM
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Are those people maybe just settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 04:14 PM
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I wonder how common our POV's are in our respective sexes. I, too, wonder this. Our woman OP wrote that her libido needs a different recharge time while in a relationship, but, if it were just a spontaneous thing, the itch isn't necessarily scratched as hard. So, maybe there's just wide variance in both men and women? I wonder if there are any studies on it...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 09:12 PM
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Even when I’m dating someone I’m incredibly aroused by, I have a “tap out” point at which point my libido dial needs to be recharged and built back up to fever pitch. Definitely this. I've masturbated 5 times in a day, but I don't think I've ever had sex with someone more than three or four times in a day (and that, super rare). We both love sex but they crave it more readily / consistently. Probably? Sexuality is weird...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 09:09 PM
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Male. It just builds over time, and an orgasm will reset it. If I'm in a relationship, it will take longer to build up again. That said, I like to scratch that itch maybe once or twice a day. The outer limit has been five times in one day (but that's very rare). The lower limit has been once in a week. I have met precious few partners who wanted sex as often as I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 08:45 PM
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Eh. IME, women are just as clingy as men. For every nagging woman who won't let you sleep, there's a clingy dude out there blowing up someone's phone they had one date with. A couple of years ago, I had a FWB who would never text unless I texted first. But, when we made plans, she was so into it. Honestly, the effort (after the great texting barrier) was really attractive. Some want lots of attention and others don't. People are different like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 07:46 PM
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Someone has to do it What, represent normalcy here? I thought we were having an eternal turf war for another echo chamber on the internet 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 07:43 PM
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This is the same magazine with the obese people on it saying 'this is healthy', right? They might not be an arbiter of news, but they're definitely a weathervane for culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 07:37 PM
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I didn't think normies were allowed in here...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 07:27 PM
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Human women strip mine people "putting in some work" for resources. E.g. I'm attentive/empathetic, have a car and you can emotionally lean on me? Now I'm your unpaid therapist and chauffeur. IME, if a woman who is interested in you will be interested from the get-go. I have never seen an woman 'grow' more interested in a dude or otherwise be 'convinced'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 05:14 PM
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Okay, so, I think we can agree (at least) that men and women both vet, and are both terrible at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:58 PM
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I noted that men aren't getting married. That doesn't mean they're not dating or fucking. For men, (one of) the real risks is marriage and subsequent divorce. So, men need to be extra-goddamn-sure that they're marrying the right one. They vet and vet, and are taking that risk less and less. There’s more to i the drop in marriage than just vetting. There’s a rise in childlessness and a rise in education requirements for a decent job cause peoplet spend their 20s trying to accomplish that instead …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:43 PM
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No, it is vetting. There's a job position open. We just haven't found any good candidates. If men never wanted to date or fuck, there wouldn't be any conversation from the men's side about it, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:18 PM
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And it involves blaming women for the actions of a few women that the man saying AWALT was chasing after. Arguably, men are also 'vetting' in this regard: Fewer men are getting married. That could be men taking things like AWALT seriously. Or finding out that a vetting process is needless if you never settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:55 PM
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It is, but it's undeniably more efficient than dating. It is, in some sense, "less bad".
/r/MGTOW25/01/21 03:23 PM
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while the "maybe" guy does if he puts in some work. This sounds terribly like someone getting lured into orbiting, js.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 06:06 AM
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I don't think anyone is complaining about vetting. Even so, it's kind of hilarious that so many women somehow still habitually pick terrible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:33 AM
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Well shit, I think my two are up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:23 AM
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If you look, humanity will managed to fail to meet your expectations every time. There are people who overtly use TRP lingo, just like there are "red pill men" being talked about in the OP's linked thread. I think there are plenty of red pill men out there just skittering under the radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:18 AM
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It kind of already is, though. Men are checking out. We are already being told we aren't good enough. Suicide rates among young men are on the rise and have been for quite some time (n.b. the headline says people, but the article makes it clear that boys are blazing this trail). It won't help men, but, I think things will change once some critical number of men aren't participating in society anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:03 AM
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There was another thread very recently about something similar. Sexlessness isn't the cause; it's the symptom. IMO, you address the things that disproportionately affect men (suicide, addiction, homelessness), and the average quality of man will rise. I don't think there's anything that's going to stop women from settling for nothing (or men settling for nothing, either).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 02:56 AM
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It is neither good nor bad. It's a statistic with no value in a vacuum. It's just people choosing one thing over another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 02:53 AM
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Then, yeah. I would say so. Everyone has their autonomy, makes their choices within their ability and within the rules we have, and then lives with them. What could be more fair? Let me put it to you this way: I got married young, and it failed miserably. I don't get to see my kids as often as I like, I lost progress in the married years, and in payments post-marriage. I don't think I was treated "unfairly"; everything was laid out for me in terms of laws and I chose to trust someone with a huge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 02:40 AM
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What does ‘fair’ even mean in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 05:26 PM
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Wild generalization, probably untrue. We have agency. We could just leave the relationship where we aren’t getting any. You are just doing your partner dirty when you cheat, and you are choosing to do it. Signed, Someone who cheated
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 04:38 PM
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The reason the other sub is dead is because #it's not their job to educate you and #cancel culture. Staunch feminists aren't interested in debate. Their interested in eradicating opposition. So, why would anyone engage them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 12:50 AM
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Lost 50 lbs. Eating disorder. It was amazing. Would not recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 01:15 AM
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Forever, minus legal complications in the event of failure. This isn’t rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 03:53 PM
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Well put!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 04:56 PM
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/u/Emma_Lemma_108 You wrote that being self-focused just drags everybody down, and I responded "well, no one cares for me, so why should I care about anybody else?" This shit, right here. This is common af. This is what I meant about cultural indifference. I believe your position is that I should convince people like this that my problems are worthy of societal attention. Frankly, it's easier to vote for collapse than convince knuckleheads like this, who are everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:58 PM
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You getting a taste of what it is like for women and minorities. I am a minority, shithead. You're only proving my point with your 'poor you' mockery. Didn't make it further in your post, sorry not sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:32 PM
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The premise of the red pill is that women are hypergamous, so "spinning plates" and justifying disgust for high N count women seem to be the main focus. Not exactly. It's "here's an amoral set of strategies that will help you with women." The focus isn't disgust or hatred, it's getting your dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:53 PM
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Male sexlessness isn't a problem because of men, it's a problem because women can't find 'economically viable' partners. It's always been framed this way. Remember Hillary's famous 2015 gaffe? "Women are the primary victims of war." Cuz, you know, dying on the battlefield ain't so bad compared to the women's lot. But, this actually had policy implications. The UN had a follow-up resolution to protect women and children in conflict zones, instead of preventing war, preventing the conscription of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:49 PM
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I'm glad it's been well received, considering it's only tangentially related to the original question. I feel like the OP's question is unintentionally a straw man. How are we gonna help men get laid? That's a complicated question. These things are all interlinked. Many men aren't desirable because they're failing at life, and they're failing at life because of a host of other things. If we want more 'economically attractive men', we probably need to stop ignoring the problems of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:27 PM
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Overall, it sounds like you’re disenchanted with the way government is currently. The momentum isn't there, though. In every one of your "more regulation" positions, you're talking about progress that has stagnated for years, if not decades. We've paid more attention to the wage gap, diversity, etc. over workplace deaths. And realistically, we aren't going to deal with workplace deaths for the same reason we don't deal with anything disproportionately affecting men. Basically, workplace hazards …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:35 AM
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Honestly, I don't know why I'm here. I have my own perspective on things, but, it's helpful to see what other people see. It's also the only place on the internet where TRP is engaged with in a critical way. In the TRP sub, you're blindly faithful, or you're not. If you're critical, ECs and regulars will beat you down. Lots of appeal to authority; if an EC says it, it must be true and is above debate. It's the opposite in the rest of the world; if it came from TRP, it's misogynistic, obviously w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:33 AM
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1) every time you were (and will be) at a shit job but they at least met minimum safety requirements such as not making you work in an asbestos-contaminated building, you can thank big government for that I've worked shitty jobs, and nearly died on job sites. It comes with desperation. I've worked in labour sectors of government as well, and I know exactly how much a company gets fined for a worker's death (hint: it's not much, and the deaths are almost all men). 2) if/when you have a major heal…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:09 AM
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But to the commenter here...being so self focused as to say “well if I don’t benefit, NO ONE SHOULD” isn’t helpful either. It just drags everyone down. As I said, I believe in helping people and equal opportunity. My objection isn't "those women are doing better than me, therefore we help no one." My objection is "I pay a third of my income to taxes, and I have suffered some of the worst this world has to offer, and not once have I received help in my nearly forty years on this planet." Basicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:04 AM
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Yup. It's class structure enforcement. I might even be considered middle class at this point, after those monumental struggles. I can absolutely see teens and twentysomethings looking at this hill and saying "nope, I'll have my video games, doritos and mountain dew."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:01 PM
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The narrative seems to be a large subset of men aren’t getting any and this is causing men to “check out of society”. I think it's reductionist to say that men are checking out because of this one (1) thing. It isn't because men can't get laid. It's a lot of things. Lots of men have shit careers because wages have been stagnant for decades. Men are constantly being told that everything is their fault because of 'patriarchy'. Men are disadvantaged in family courts. Men often have no safety nets. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:33 PM
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Let me point this out and I'm not making any value judgements. It's a thing. Setting aside the tone of this article, there are some compelling statistics that paint a convincing picture that men are falling behind, and will fall further behind in the future. This article is 7 years old, and I can all but guarantee that the trend has continued along the same path. I'm not sure anyone cares why men aren't keeping up; if there were such a negative change in women's fortunes, I'm sure everyone would…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 03:57 PM
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Recently on the subreddit of FDS has constantly complained a lot about man-children and blaming it on different factors such as their lack of not being told by their fathers to be responsible, etc. Which made little sense to me because it doesn't really add up once given some thought. Personally, I believe man-children grow up without a masculine figure in their lives. First, I think the people saying "life's hard, might as well enjoy myself" probably have the right of it. Building wealth is a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 03:15 PM
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TRP tends to draw universals, but they can't really in good faith. "AWALT", etc. The problem comes when you start applying AWALT to the worst possible behaviour. So, take cheating. Every woman cheats? Check out this comment thread where a red pill adherent is absolutely sure that men are regularly getting sloppy seconds on their partners. Regularly. Really? He didn't stop to think that sometimes women might wash themselves after they cheat? Or that the incidence of cheating was not that high? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 03:06 PM
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In North America, definitely not. Women get more education than men. Women are less likely to kill themselves. Women are less likely to be the subject of any kind of violence except sexual violence. Women have longer life expectancies. Women are favoured in family courts. Women have lighter sentencing for crime. Honestly, I'm pretty tired of being told I'm privileged. Sure, you might earn 90 cents on a man's dollar, or whatever, but, I think I've had a pretty hard life, and a lot of it is becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:16 AM
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I think the meta problem with trivial-threshold 'coercion' is there's no moment in which you can be certain a woman consented. Take all the examples the OP came up with. He was pushy, and I said no until I was too tired to say no. I was scared. I felt threatened. I felt guilty. And on, and on and on. The problem with these excuses is that they can be carried forward infinitely. I was too tired to not log in to the consent app and digitally consent. I was scared, and consented in front of witness…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 05:50 AM
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The quoted text just sounds like repackaged "all sex is rape under patriarchy" radfem BS. Nailed it. The tiktok pretty much says "If she consented, she really didn't, you horrible rapist."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 05:17 AM
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I was married for ~13 years, and I was terribly blue-pilled. I'm not especially blue-pilled anymore, but, I don't believe everything RP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 04:58 AM
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Yeah, I guess you can make the argument ‘is it really that bad?’ But you can say that about anything. ‘Is the wage gap really that bad?’ ‘Is the incidence of trans people really that bad that we should do anything for them?’ ‘How many people really die of breast cancer?’ Really, why should we care about anyone’s problems? Especially the ‘edge’ cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:12 PM
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Yeah. Same with research in men's issues. No one will touch men's suicide, even though we're killing ourselves in droves out there. At least, afaik.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:16 AM
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I don't disagree. I try and back my arguments with real* evidence, but, there's a lot of stuff here that isn't researched. More than anything, people want to posit universals, and I think that's because we're pitting two extremes against each other. On the one hand, you have TRP who really wants to posit universals about women. Those universals are not correct; it's not clear if it's even the majority. The other hand has the reactionary blue pill SJW types. They want to posit another set univers…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:27 AM
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attractive (or dateable) women are everywhere? These are two super different things. Lots of women are attractive just in terms of sex appeal, but a huge number of them aren't dateable because they have awful personalities when they have one at all. I think in terms of dateability, both sexes are searching for a needle in a haystack. Why is it that a "good man is hard to find" Also, women are picky af.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 04:49 AM
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When we say looks aren’t everything we mean it, what we don’t mean is looks are totally irrelevant. Just that they are not the driving factor like they are for men. I think the manosphere gets it exactly right. Women don't just want good looks. They want your wealth, too. Ever hear that pervasive joke about the 666 rule? That, constantly. Mens' personalities seem to never matter, or women wouldn't constantly be complaining that they're dating bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 04:32 AM
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Rational to me is an actual deconstruction of the idea behind the assertion. Okay, present some reasons on why your singular opinion is the truth. Show some research methodology that could be replicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 01:13 AM
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Because of the social stigma. A man who have sex is considered a Chad and getting prizes for it. A woman having sex is considered a slut and should be ashamed of herself. You can only feel ashamed if you believe what you're doing is shameful. Shame starts with yourself. Well it’s part of why this idea is pretty factual right now in society. And that’s another reason why sex is becoming male centred. I think it's less male-centered than it ever has been. Or people must change and no « choose » pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 11:16 PM
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This isn’t rational (or not a logically sound rational approach). But it is, according to you, rational to believe one (1) guy on a tiny corner of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 11:10 PM
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No my default is that people should evaluate and accept or reject assertions and arguments based on a rational deconstruction of the assertions and arguments themselves rather than question the extent to which an authority agrees or disagrees (or has supported or not supported) the assertions and arguments. In other words, avoid appeal to authority fallacies (among others). I'm a skeptic. I don't believe things people tell me, especially concerning complicated human behaviour, unless they have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 09:13 PM
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The lack of acceptance of a presented argument or presented evidence simply because it does not come from an authoritative source also constitutes an appeal to authority fallacy. So, your default is that people should believe whatever they're told until they're presented with evidence that it's not true? If you think this is true, I have a skyscraper to sell you. Trust me, I own one. If I (not being a player and having been married for a long time) have at least a few known instances of such wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:40 PM
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Okay ? Men wants sex more than women maybe because society allowed them to !! What do you mean by "allowed them"? Women tend to be secretive and not talk about their sexual regards because they’ll shame them most of the time. If you're referring to slutshaming, surely it's at an all time low. There are plenty of public campaigns to reverse it, especially in North America. Doesn’t make sex for women to be irrelevant in any way. If tou choose to have sex. Make sure both of you enjoy it. I mean, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:35 PM
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Lmao you only talked about your opinion as much as i did. You can’t talk for anyone else. Just as much as i did. You didn’t provide any proof at all. You should come up with a better opinion then how about that. Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. Did you click the blue text in my previous post? I'll post it again: An article with a scientific reference, if you continue to doubt. Here's the undressed link if you're as dumb as a post: https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/matty-silver/men-want-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:01 PM
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It's not an appeal to authority fallacy. It would be if I said "You should believe (or not believe) this thing because this person said it." I'm asking you for sources other than "trust me bro". If you don't have sources, I have no reason to believe you when it doesn't seem intuitively true that boyfriends/husbands are regularly getting sloppy seconds (i.e. the women they're dating/married to are cheating and not cleaning themselves after).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:43 PM
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Nah men wants to experience pleasure more. [Citation needed.] Look, I offered a point of view that is almost universally accepted and backed it up with some evidence, and you're just going to write back 'nah'. Sorry, you'll need to try a little harder to convince me anything your saying is worth listening to. For you ! It shouldn’t be. And those stuff shouldn’t exist. I'm mocking you. I think sex is fun. Even if those particular sex acts aren't your cup of tea. Lots of people like giving blowjob…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:34 PM
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Personal anecdotes are not sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:28 PM
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It’s more applicable than most men understand. Boyfriends and husbands unknowingly use this feature on the regular. Have you got a source for the incidence of unknown sloppy seconds? Because I'm pressing X to doubt, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:51 PM
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Ok. The only point I'm trying to make is that biology doesn't always have a purpose in the modern context. Like, why do people ever get type 2 diabetes? Surely in biological terms, access to more energy is always better, right? Our ancestors didn't have such calorically dense and plentifully available foods and we evolved in such a way as to conserve and ration energy. Now, especially in North America, these adaptations have turned back on the humans that have them. The point is this: Yeah, huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:03 PM
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This doesn’t mean that it does t have one (unlikely given the general efficiency of nature). Rather, it just means that we haven’t figured it out yet because our powers of observation and perception are not fine enough. Literally having it removed has no side effects, except for side effects from the procedure. Normally I'd agree with you about us just not knowing, but we've been successfully removing appendixes since 1759. If it did something significant, I think we might know by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:57 PM
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Men want sex more. Everything points to that. You'd need to be truly ignorant of typical humans to believe otherwise. An article with a scientific reference, if you continue to doubt. It’s always things referring to sucking dicks or cumming inside a girl or gross stuff like i don’t really understand the double standards. Sex is icky! I feel like everything’s backward and people have thrown morals out of the window. And women accepted themselves to be sexual slaves at this point. Which morals? Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:53 PM
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I think people used to say it, but, since NiceGuy™ is now in common usage only the truly ignorant would claim that badge.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:39 PM
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We also have an appendix that has no known modern function. So, it doesn't really change my mind about anything, nor do I feel anything about it. Human biology is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:37 PM
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I think this is a really good insight. A feature of wasting money on something with a dubious return (at best) is predicated on the presence of something you can waste money on (with a dubious return... at best).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 09:55 PM
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It doesn't mean anyone is obligated to fuck anyone they don't want to fuck. That was never my position, and I think if you look through my post history, you can see that I'm only offering option 2 to logically exhaust all possibilities, and that it's not a REAL offer/possibility, because it's absurd. I am not down for the free use kink reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 09:48 PM
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Not sure I would. It's hard to say how much of being a sexual person makes up my identity. I know some people who have lost their libido to age or medication, and it was a big part of them, so they end up having an identity crisis of sorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 09:45 PM
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Look, you can just google 'fat women treated badly' and get a million hits from every outlet saying that fat women are treated badly. But, if you google 'short men treated badly' the first four hits are legit 'short is bad', but the fifth hit is 'short men are jealous'. You would never tolerate a headline like "fat women are jealous" or a similar negative quality, would you? If you don't want to believe what I'm writing, that's your prerogative, but I think if you were to just, idk, look at the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 09:40 PM
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ngl, sounds like the fault of his mom, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:34 PM
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Not exactly lonely-fat, but have you seen the cover of cosmo?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 06:39 PM
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Cool. I wish the mainstream wouldn’t whine about lonely fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 05:12 AM
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I mean, we're willing to differentiate between kinds of killing another (first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter). I think actually differentiating between these cases would be difficult except in all the most extreme cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 08:42 PM
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Eh. Not my thing. Though, I see people need to release themselves of the mountain of stress from 'earnest debating'. It was nice to see some of the ideas that people might not have posted outside of carte blanche.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 08:15 PM
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TRP is indefensible in many areas. This is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 08:09 PM
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... and maybe that's why they get by selling beads to tourists. It could be a calculation on their part; there is a wisdom in not flying too close to the sun. At least, until some kind of reinforcement arrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:52 PM
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There's two ways you can look at this. Either: You can reject people for arbitrary physical preferences. OR You cannot reject people for arbitrary physical preferences. In option 2, men complaining about being rejected for height are upset because anyone rejecting fatties is met with cries of 'fatphobia' or 'bigotry' or 'shallowness'. It's hypocritical because the people demanding heights out there are also angry that they get rejected for being fat. Getting rejected for being short doesn't even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:49 PM
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I think it's also a matter of greed. If the women of Umoja managed to build themselves any significant wealth worth taking, they'd be under threat. All humans are violent. It's just a matter of justifying it to themselves. The justification comes pre-packaged, too: It's a bunch of women defying traditional order. As I edited in my previous comment: It's going to be them skating between survival and not having enough to take by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:39 PM
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I'm hopeful people won't come in and murder them all, but who knows. This is kind of a catch-22, and I don't think the women ever really 'win' in terms of whether they're at the mercy of men or not. Consider: Men come to town, and murder them all. Looks like they were at the mercy of men. No one comes to murder them all. The men from nearby villages are merciful or indifferent. I think the tragic thing is that if it's ever a really successful village, a neighbouring one will annex it by force. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:34 PM
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Really? Explain this: Honestly, I like the concept. It should work well in a (very) dangerous part of the world. But, let's not kid ourselves: They sell handcrafts and are a tourist attraction. Not unlike a zoo. I wouldn't exactly call it an advanced village even compared to the nearby ones. Time will tell though; as an establishment, it's still fairly young. Maybe they'll blossom into something really great (not sarcastic, just saying).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:23 PM
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Your teenage daughter goes to the hospital five times a year for cutting herself, that is five suicide attempts. While I agree with your position, this isn't a great argument. One rarely goes to (or ends up in) hospital for cutting. Signed, a former self-mutilator
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:01 PM
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And yet, year over year for every study I can find, antidepressant use rises with age. I think, realistically, everyone is a little crazy by modern medical standards, but it's better to be crazy and young than to be crazy, old and have 'baggage'. Edit: "Waaah, someone found a statistic saying the exact opposite of my point, so I'll just downvote and hide."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:56 PM
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Those are big problems that get in your way of getting a good sex life. They're not. I just don't get into committed relationships with someone who has a high n-count. If it's just a hookup, it doesn't bother me (and realistically, I expect it from a hookup: after all, they're hooking up).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:50 PM
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Even if it was because I'm insecure... Okay, I'm insecure: I'm anxious and unsure. Now what? I'll even buy that my insecurity is my fault. So what? Why should I change to make up for something about you? I should just find a low N-count woman I can be comfortable with, shouldn't I? Realistically "you're insecure" is just an ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:23 AM
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That sounds really cool! Did you have a specialty? This may sound like a riot: Ethics (with some focus on law, and collective decision making). ... have we each maximized our use of goodness and thus all become utilitarian? I somehow don't think that's how it works. Maybe you're the expert here and can teach me, thank you! Not exactly; Utilitarianism is maximizing the good for the greatest number of people where 'good' is considered to be some manner of material benefit (and should be objectivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:21 AM
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Ah, thank you for the clarification! Ok, philosophy it is! Although "why be good" feels more like ethics, whereas meta-ethics (i.e. "the ethics of ethics") is more like trying to define goodness as a noun and relate ethics to other areas of philosophy (it doesn't matter what we call it, just a quick note in case it was interesting to you). I majored in philosophy in my undergrad. I believe that 'why be good' is central to meta-ethics. The presumption is that being 'good' is desirable, and identi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 04:40 AM
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Thank you for sharing. That's some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 05:58 AM
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CMV: Despite what studies say... Hypothetically speaking, how the hell am I going to change your view if you're already discounting anything that could closely resemble 'proof'?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:53 PM
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Okay, but if you believe in cosmic justice, that's just a reason to never dole out punishment yourself. Higher power, fate, or karma, or whatever you believe in will do it for you. Fair point, I guess; some people just don't like the options and would be angry at all of them. I guess, in their shoes, I would want to be angry plus the cost of condoms, rather than angry plus the costs of the more expensive options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:25 PM
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Imma be real, I don't understand why people are opposed to good public health outcomes. You either pay for condoms via taxes now, or you pay for unwanted children via taxes later. If you refuse to pay taxes, you pay for it in a shit society later. Same for abortions. Even if you're fiscally conservative, you're better off picking the condoms now in purely dollars and cents calculations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:17 PM
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Does this really need to be said? It should be blindingly obvious to everyone by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:15 PM
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This is why I say, let women fuck all the men they want and let men do all the non-commiting that they want. I mean, I think this is a good position to have. If everyone held it, I'm not sure this sub would have any purpose except for shitposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:13 PM
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I think that, rather than going deeply into meta-ethics ("what is goodness?") When I was writing, that's essentially what I was asking, but didn't want to jargon my way out of a response. I think that meta-ethics asks the important questions. Realistically, that's all I'm asking when I ask "why bother being good?" since it clearly doesn't have utility for me (except feeling that I'm a 'good person', which, by the way, does not pay my mortgage nor can I eat it). I would say that my current unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:08 PM
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Don't worry, people get desperate as they get older. You'll be able to reject 40-something single moms someday too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:33 AM
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Right? I think I've been asked out maybe two or three times in my life. If I waited for it to happen. I'm almost forty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:24 AM
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The bait profile was often reported by the matches. This caused periodical temporary bans to allow the Tinder authorities to review the account. The account was always readmitted to the platform without punishment, and never permanently banned. Catfisher doesn't get banned on Tinder, more at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 03:02 AM
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Got married early. It was tremendously unsuccessful. She had no real respect for me, little or no empathy, was uncooperative and not at all interested in a partner relationship. I was a material convenience until I initiated our split. I would not. I have met precious few women who do not see men as objects or vehicles for their wants that have nothing to do with the man involved. Almost universally, women are ‘wishers’; they want experiences, material goods, status or validation. As long as the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:23 PM
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Men aren't blaming 'women'. They're blaming 'feminism'. Feminism isn't at all concerned with equality anymore. If feminism won't help men where they're lacking, then it follows that men shouldn't support it, should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:36 PM
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Motivation unclear. Women in their 20s fucked 20 dudes? So what? Proposing some 'balancing' act necessarily requires a violation of autonomy, like state mandated girlfriends or free use made real. Needless to say, no one even remotely sane is on side for that. I doubt your stats, and the disparity that needs 'balancing'. Cite sources, plz. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:05 AM
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I meant to reply to you but got hung up in the holidays. Normally I'd go line by line and dissect what you've written, but I'll just respond with general thoughts. It's probably better this way, anyway. To deserve something is not the same as to get it. My point was to invoke an internal paradigm shift, and to suggest that we should view ourselves as worthy of better. I think that people want to hear that they are /more/ special or /more/ worthy of love than others, in order for that worthiness …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:39 AM
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Caveat: I'm not a huge advocate for RP. I think they're right about a handful of things, and somewhat far from the mark in many others. You're not wrong: RP has some ideas that are not falsifiable. There is no evidence you can provide to counter AWALT, because if you do, they'll say "she's just acting that way" up to and including asserting that women aren't aware of their own behaviour (and this is certainly possible... for all humans). That said, I think if you experience the things they talk …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:02 AM
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Implying that men are ever better off in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 06:03 AM
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Strongly agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:05 AM
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How is this strategy more beneficial to her then AF/BB? Because you can end up with nothing. There is plenty of ink spilled on the internet about women who settled for nothing earlier, and can settle for nothing now. Also, single moms needing bailouts. Neither of those things are good, IMO. You can commit to someone you can extract commitment from, or suffer the slings and arrows of being a single mom or a leftover. No skin off our nose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:12 AM
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worthy of love even if no one will do it for us I have my doubts. If everyone is worthy of love, is it something special? Will it matter? When you say "everyone is worthy of love" isn't that the same as saying no one is? Or that we're all to be treated with equal poverty? I am asking you to rethink what those experiences /mean/ on a broad scale. Well, okay. From what perspective? Here's my problem: I've done a lot for other people. I've housed people fleeing abusive spouses in my home, room and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:05 AM
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B-but all men are players! j/k
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 02:13 AM
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Fair points. I think we're mostly in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:32 PM
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Actually stop being losers instead whining and bitching I think you missed my point about who is giving actionable advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:23 PM
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...it's that these guys are just naturally losers. Ok, so what are 'natural losers' supposed to do? While I appreciate your argument, I don't find the conclusion material to anything. You have a bunch of losers (natural or otherwise) who go looking for dating advice, and when the mainstream says "Just be yourself" or "don't lose hope, it'll happen" or (best of all) "you're an entitled piece of shit and need to self crit" and when none of that stuff works out (if it is even actionable advice), th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:25 PM
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Do you think men have a solid grasp on what women actually like physically in general or do they fail at doing so without realizing Women are not a monolith. There are some things that women generally are interested in (like men who are fit, over men who are fat), or men who are successful (over not), or happy (over not), but exact preferences are going to vary from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:20 PM
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Sure a woman might not be able to do much damage hitting a man due to their physiology but it’s about intent. Yeah, until they pick up a knife or a brick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:53 PM
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I second this one. There was a woman who worked in my office last year who was constantly grabbing my pecs and my arms, no matter how many times I asked her to stop. It only stopped when she left the company.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:53 PM
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woman good man bad This video says pretty much says it all (though, mind the cheesy/shitty music). Anyway, when men are being assaulted by women, it's a laughing matter and no cause for intervention, but when women are being assaulted by men the actors and cameraman can barely explain that it's an act before bystanders are ready to fuck up the dude. It's a microcosm for everything, IMO. woman good man bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:46 PM
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The double standard is as follows: Deadbeat chads produce single moms that need bailouts. We make fun of them on the internet. Yet, they don't seem to be rabidly pursued by the courts to provide for their kiddos. Divorced R*ped betas don't get custody, and the courts rabidly pursue them to provide for their kiddos. So which one is it? Is it: Are divorce laws incredibly draconian and we just don't hear about deadbeat chads getting crushed by the courts? And if they are getting their wages garnish…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 03:00 AM
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Honestly, my favourite one for red pill is that men not in their children's lives occupy this space of "deadbeat chad" or "divorce r*ped beta". When it's deadbeat chad that leaves a single mom in need of a bailout, the state is remarkably absent in enforcing child support, but when it's DRB, the state is merciless. Which is the status quo? I can't tell. But, same from the bluepill: women are simultaneously strong and willful and will succeed as implied by the phrases "the future is female" and "…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 09:53 PM
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For me I'm only about minimizing suffering if I don't compromise my principles and beliefs. I'd rather suffer to be right / just than be comfortably tolerating evil. I'm going to be real with you, my life has been hard enough. I don't have any desire to suffer through more trials, much less the ones I could avoid. Maybe I don't have principles, or that care is finite and I've simply run out. Really, either of those is possible. Good luck in your work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 09:41 PM
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Lead her on? That depends on your moral compass. If you find it abhorrent, you probably shouldn't do it. But honestly, recent conversations here lead me to believe that any man's mantra right now should be "Not my problem, don't care."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 07:03 PM
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Sex - even casual sex - is part of dating, IMO. If you don't have time to date, you basically only have time for a sex worker or porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 06:37 PM
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True, but life includes a lot of suffering, no matter cause you work for, might as well suffer for good than suffer for nothing. Life includes suffering, but, I'm advocating minimizing that suffering and attending to needs. I don't have to engage the suffering of Jordan Peterson or Earl Silverman. One can be fairly comfortable believing and doing as he likes, while not fighting for them. That's not the case, I am not unquenchable, and I don't pick every battle. But there are certain ones I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 06:10 PM
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Are you saying being non-white is an unattractive feature? Wtf. Anyway. Non-white males being at a disadvantage (especially Asians and Indians) is well documented.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:17 PM
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Yes, being settled for is that bad. Divorce laws as they are, she might settle for someone better later with half your stuff. Or, settle with no one later (but, again, with half your stuff).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:09 PM
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If sex isn't part of the equation for worth, why do people hurl 'incel' like an insult? You say that just because we get rejected, we shouldn't believe we aren't worthy of love. But, I would put to you the idea then: What criteria is there? What needs to happen in order to believe I'm worthy of love? Everywhere I go, men are hated. On public transit, you're manspreading. In the workplace, you're mansplaining. Even absent any other context, you're 'privileged' and take up too much space. I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:00 PM
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I definitely want intimate sex more, but, I don't generally turn down casual sex. I don't especially want multiple partners, either; really, just one will do fine. Sadly, I have trust issues, so, I don't usually get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:43 AM
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As a how-to, or...?
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:20 AM
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Yeah, sure. None of us are objective. But, you know, our subjectivity is really all we have, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:50 PM
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I think it's two parts. First, it's a strip club with an infinite audience. There's no cover, no overcharged drinks; they cut out the pimp and the bar owner. That's fine, it's direct-to-consumer production; those kinds of market efficiencies have worked out in the past. Second, the west has developed a culture of shamelessness when it comes to being a sex work patron and porn/strip clubs haven't caught up with the cultural milieu. It's a difference in marketing: Porn studios and strip clubs thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:27 PM
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I think tall/strong women are insanely hot. I'm over six feet tall, though, so it's unusual for me to encounter a taller woman. I think guys who find women who are taller/more athletic unattractive are usually insecure. Preferences are preferences, though, and there's no accounting for taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:15 PM
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This sounds awful. I'm the HL female in my relationship hoping to avoid exactly this. I'm sorry you went through it! Oh it was. But, my fault for really trusting someone, treating them like a partner, and believing they had my wants and needs in their heart instead of only their own. For me, no, but wouldn't have been with ANY married man. Although the men I noticed tended to be at least nice and pleasant, but also very sure of themselves. Honestly, I think most people are like that and being th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:22 PM
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When have you ever seen a normal, healthy woman more attracted to a man after he does something bad/rude? Honestly, a number of times in my experience. Though, maybe the women weren't normal or healthy? Maybe it's a criteria for unhealthiness/abnormality to go for jerks. Also, I have a female friend who says she's attracted to arrogance (and she knows that it's super bad for her, but she does it anyway?). I was a 'nice guy' for most of my life. I didn't feel entitled to women's attention, and I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:24 AM
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As much as I agree with your other points, institutions protect themselves. Monitoring Fred Hampton was an institution performing a search and destroy against a presumed threat. So, institutions monitor MGTOW, and probably should; MGTOW is counter to a lot of Western institution goals, and also has an awful lot of vitriol for people who want to be left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:08 AM
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It is. It's kind of sad (actually not kind of, just sad). I wish they'd go their own way actually. Everything is prefaced by women this, women that. Even when they say "Look at this cool shit I'm doing" there's the hidden subtext of "and if I were romantically involved with a woman, it definitely wouldn't happen because of those harridans". I don't disagree with the principle (that marriage sucks, and that there are terrible, terrible women out there for you), but they could talk about something…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:05 AM
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It doesn’t seem true at first blush that no men care. I mean, if we believe workplaces are sexist, most policy makers are still men, right? But, it’s pretty clear you have a set view of reality and aren’t all that interested in anything but yourself. You’re not presenting an uncommon viewpoint either. So, even if men don’t care about women’s troubles, we really shouldn’t even now. Edit: Some more, I guess. You not caring about my issues isn't a result. This is probably the most telling part to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:52 PM
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Well. Okay. I’ve spent my whole life standing up for feminism. Even so, terrible, terrible things have happening to me that public policy should have prevented or ameliorated. But, when I bring them up, feminists say ‘That’s life!’ or ‘It’s not my problem’ or ‘I have bigger problems.’ Fine. That’s okay, but, as you say, we should probably take care of ourselves first, right? So, the conclusion is: since you won’t care about my woes, I will not care about yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:20 PM
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Absolutely not. I acknowlege women’s struggles and think they should get support. That’s where the difference lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 12:58 AM
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‘Men don’t take my issues seriously’ I assure you, they do as a collective. Public policy is racing forward and bending over backwards to accommodate and empower women. Like I said in my last paragraph, I don’t have an interest in women’s issues because it’s been taken care of, or will be taken care of in the near future. Men’s issues aren’t even acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 08:18 PM
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Yeah, I had that as a source, but, I would want to be able to cite a reference for him being harassed as opposed to 'merely' neglected by government, institutions and individuals.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 07:32 PM
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It was actually significantly worse than that. It went bankrupt because the local women's shelters kept complaining to the government until they revoked the grant funding the government gives to various abuse shelters. Do you have a source for that? Genuinely curious; I want to be able to cite it.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 04:51 PM
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Maybe it used to be? Or perhaps it depends on where people are in their evolution of ideas? Maybe? I grew up in Toronto, which is intensely multicultural and I would say intersectional feminism is huge here as well. But, the policy results just aren't the same. My city is famous for having a publicly recognizable extremely angry 'feminist', and for any attempted Men's Rights discussion/protest/event to be disrupted with aid of police. I just don't believe that's true. Female only IPV spaces serv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:00 PM
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I volunteered with a IPV/SA hotline. They made sure to educate all volunteers that anyone (including men) can be a victim or a perpetrator. The majority of callers were women, but the people running things absolutely made special efforts not to gender anything and to make sure the volunteers and employed persons didn't alienate callers with biased assumptions. That's the work of feminists. If it is, I'd be intensely surprised. Most of the feminism I've seen and heard of works to ensure women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 03:12 PM
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The fact your point about assault is null moot just goes to show your (and I hate this word as much as you, brace yourself imma bout to say the bad word!) privilege. The vast majority of murder victims in every nation are men. Women, are in fact, in less danger. And you believe I am privileged in that arena. Gold star, champ. The fact you invalidate women’s fears of being assaulted & murdered shows you have no sympathy nor understanding of the points you’ve made. You're afraid to be murdered, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 02:19 PM
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This is kind of a stereotype. Do you think it is a necessary condition for someone who wants the lives of men to be better that they hate women? When you think about that question, does it even make sense? I'm sure some MRAs hate women, but it doesn't seem like a necessary condition, does it? Does Earl Silverman sound like a rampant woman-hater to you? That's what an MRA is, not some fucking fedora-wearer who wants to roll back rights. I'm sure you can distinguish the two if you try. MRAs seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 02:11 PM
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No. For men, dating is a romance scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 02:34 AM
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People on the 'wrong side of history' have it pretty bad. I wrote about it in response to a similar comment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 02:15 AM
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I don't understand some of your points. You are comparing being a woman to being homeless? Yes. Or, at least, that women's problems get lots of attention while men's don't. To the point where media sees an issue, and will try and frame it as a women's issue, no matter how badly it affects men. Look at this image. What are the other 3 in 4 homeless people? Aliens? Monkeys? This thing predominantly affects men, but public policy and media say "but what about the women" every single time. We, as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 02:13 AM
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You can get free-ish land in Yukon. Far north, but it's there for the taking if you're Canadian or permanent resident. Taking any of that uninhabitable land and moving there would cost monumental amounts of money that most people do not make enough to afford. I mean, I don't disagree that it'd be hard, but I don't think it's 'impossible'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 01:40 AM
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Well, some of red pill advice is pretty good. "Lift weights, be fit" will get you pretty far, even if you ignore the rest of their advice. Take it from a former borderline obese person; just not being fat will take you places.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 12:27 AM
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That's not really an option in today's world. There's no "nowhere" left to move to, and even if there were, you couldn't go there without violating some law or paying some fee. 80% of Canada is uninhabited. There are places in this country literally no one has set foot on in over a hundred years. You could start a commune in Northern Ontario or Quebec, and no one would even know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:44 PM
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Feminism is very concerned with women’s rights and MRAs are concerned with men’s. It’s explicit in their names. The gender of the person’s ideology isn’t deterministic. I’ve edited my previous comment to make it simpler.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:22 PM
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It has always been my position that we should reduce the total sum of human misery. We have taken great strides and extraordinary measures to make sure women are comfortable. But, men's problems aren't being acknowledged, and the real death of feminism in men won't be angry MRAs or red pill people. It will be apathy as men's problems continue to pile up unanswered and ignored, and when a feminist asks "Why don't you care about women's issues?" the answer from a disenfranchised male will always b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:19 PM
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I'll be honest, I fucking hate the position of "my world and experiences are strictly worse than yours." It irks me to no end. Look, I'm sorry you're scared to walk home alone at night, but I've been homeless, walking nowhere at night. I know you need to text your friends where you're going to be before a date just in case you're in that tiny percentage of people that straight up gets murdered, but have you ever been called by Children's Services on your ex-partner's say-so to make sure you're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:12 PM
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Lol for the entirety of history men have inherited respect solely because they have XY chromosomes and a “dick between their legs.” Clearly, you've never been a homeless man. Much "respect" you get from people, let me tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:10 PM
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If they still have not picked you then you simply don’t have much of anything to offer.That’s just life. So, you're advocating that people just give up? What if I don't want to give up? Shouldn't I, by hook or by crook, try to 'win' anyway? Let's say you had trouble getting a job, and you were going to starve to death in a week. Then, someone walks up to you and says "If you didn't get an interview, or didn't get hired after any of your interviews, you're a failure and should go die somewhere. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:53 PM
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I mean, I don't know anyone who would go for that saccharine text. Arguably, it isn't that he's 'nice', it's that his expression is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:37 PM
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I totally get that, but you don't necessarily have to advocate for men's rights or in some other way that will result is such a severe (certainly unfair) backlash; I think it's more about changes in men's attitudes to be responsible for themselves, cultivate their masculinity, and keep the eye on opportunities to rebuild society at large. For example, someone like Jordan Peterson has certainly made a large push in the direction of trying to revive western civilization, there are lots of ways to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:39 PM
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I agree with you that they believe this, but that is not actually incompatible with the idea they feel no responsibility. The belief they have no agency is a excuse for not exercising what agency they do have. Fair points. I think, though, you need to look at what kind of life the people who advocate for men's rights lead. They're absolutely ostracized, and get no support from any quarter. The one guy who ran the only male-only crisis center in Canada killed himself. So, if you're going to pick …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 03:46 AM
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Exactly. Almost every one I meet is monumentally selfish and devoid of any real empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:23 AM
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But this is an actual possibility for a lot of men because women are such utter bitches and pains to deal with. I married at 23, and it was awful, and I've dated for years in my 30s, and it was terrible. Honestly, I don't know what to say, other than the vast majority of the time, it sure isn't worth it even for something casual. Never mind something lasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:02 AM
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Honestly, your whole piece reads like an apology. Sorry for this, sorry for that. Then you want to build: How can we remedy this? Would more equality help? Here's what you could do: Not care. Why should you care? If you're a straight male, no institution cares about you. You're asking for a crumb of support or acknowledgment of one of your problems, but there are so many serious problems that affect men, have affected men for a long time, and there is absolutely no chance your "help me, dating i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:46 AM
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Where are y'all finding women TBH, everywhere. The majority of women I've met IRL are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:55 PM
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Date better women. Honestly, there aren't any.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:54 PM
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Nah. If they don't want you to be vulnerable, they'll lose all respect for you and you'll get walked all over. There's definitely a kind of woman that you can be open with. The one that wants to 'fix' a guy or a codependent. But, realistically, I wouldn't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:54 PM
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most red pill guys feel no sense of responsibility to the nations and civilizations their fathers built and died for - and certainly won't lift a finger to try to correct the ship. It's a shame. I'm not sure this is true. I think that people in red-pill spheres believe they have no agency in the current context. What, exactly, should I do? Start advocating for men's rights? Well, we know that's a dead end. Men's rights (especially compared to women's rights/feminism) are a tiny, tiny proportion …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:08 PM
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I think the people resorting to digital substitutes are already touch-starved and possibly depressed. It isn't that they're choosing between flesh and digital. Flesh wasn't really an option for them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 05:47 AM
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While I agree with the general premise of your statement, I want to point out: They never got fat. And also they are rich. You're admitting that these are options for men to retain (some) of their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:11 AM
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I'll disagree with you on just one ground: Sugar babies are just inefficient prostitutes. There's no reason to drip feed some sugar baby when prostitutes will do it for much cheaper. Also, really no guarantees a SB will be a surrogate. That's a real roll of the dice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:43 PM
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If you think is a observable phenomenon what do you think can be done about it? If it's true (not saying it is), there's nothing that can be done about it. Like, what are we going to do? "Educate" sub 5/10 women about their place in the world? That'd be an incredible absurdity, even for this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:41 PM
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"If YoU cAn'T hAnDlE mY wOrSt, YoU dOn'T dEsErVe My BeSt."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:21 PM
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/r/thanksimcured
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:18 PM
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With exceptions, the blue pill people I know are miserable. The people with the most solid monogamous relationships are red pill/non-feminist. I don't know if my social circles are the norm, but the blue pill women I know are by far the most miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:49 AM
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It's not as lucrative as one would think, and definitely won't be once it's normalized (oversupply problems). There's a handful of people who make bank, but for most people, it's beer money. What are you going to share with your partner alone? It's a loaded question, but, if the answer is 'nothing', why even have a partner in the first place? (I think it's a legitimate stance to eschew 'partners' or spouses entirely, and just be a sex worker or stray from hookup to hookup.) I think casually shar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:47 AM
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... But why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:35 PM
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I'm also just getting started and could use some resources... help a brother out? :)
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 05:30 PM
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Please tell me you're not taking anything about this seriously. It's disturbing that this seems to appeal to the female psyche. Why on earth would you think this? As far as I can tell, it doesn't appeal to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 04:45 PM
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Eh. Just find likeminded people, or don't be vocal about your politics. There are plenty of redpill/mgtow people out there who won't treat you poorly just for not wanting relationships.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 04:09 PM
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I'd rather the pussy and genes. Love, if it even exists, is overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 03:19 PM
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Super bad. Honestly, I'm thankful I'm a man in this instance, and I often date younger just because the women are less cagey and awful on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 03:14 PM
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It's hard to answer this question without the responder's own context being super-imposed on it. So, I don't have much biological family left, and none of them were worth talking to. I've been through one marriage and have kids. Option 2 seems pretty lit, considering I've already eaten the downsides, and wouldn't mind being wealthy, powerful, and to get my dick wet more often. But, like, maybe Option 1 is better? But I wouldn't know, because none of those good things have ever happened to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 03:11 PM
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As for men who live lives absent of sex and romance, I can tell you one thing that happens: it leads men towards a strictly Randian point of view. This is a critical insight, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 01:21 AM
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People say this unironically tho
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:20 PM
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Everything seems harder today. Then: Raise a family and own a home on a single income. Simple jobs payed well. You dated someone in your social circle and eventually you got picked because there were only so many good men to go around. Good men were respected Now: Single income is a treadmill. You need a side hustle, and every family making headway is two-income with side hustles There aren't any jobs; we shipped them overseas. Dating apps lol No men are respected (with some celebrity exceptions…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:47 PM
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Getting ahead in life has everything to do with networking - who you know and to some extent how you k ow them I agree with this part. However, if knowing more people essentially equals better, why cut a whole swath of people out of your network (like women)? That demonstrably makes your power network weaker, does it not? I don't believe these places are where power networks are born. I believe it's where existing ones are reinforced. I kind of believe they're either hereditary or have access ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:40 PM
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I think it's probably correlated to how patriarchal those cultures are. Italians/Portuguese, yes. East Indians, absolutely yes. Western nations? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:29 PM
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My point is I don’t see many women trying to prevent men from having their own space. Alright, so here's what I think is happening: The people in these mens' clubs are immigrants from more patriarchal cultures. The women are pushed out of those cultural gatherings because their generation believes that isn't done. The male children from those immigrants are going to grow up believing that wanting their own spaces is misogynistic and the women from those immigrants will grow up being told that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:24 PM
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So the first part about the decline of male only spaces I agree with, that can be an issue for men. The problem with male-only spaces is that they often become an informal power network. Do you suppose that's because of hereditary power, or is it a work/win imbalance? I have a few friends who are definitely 'no girls allowed in my business'. They are wealthy and were not born into wealth. I don't know the causal relationship (if there is one) between their measure of misogyny versus their moneta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:38 PM
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Women aren’t banned but they understand that it’s not for them. This is the crux of it. If they were explicitly barred, there would be action. In Toronto’s Portuguese and Italian communities there are sports bars that only men hang out in. Hello fellow Torontonian. I'm going to be real with you, there's an ethnic component that's missing here. These spaces are often for only Italian/Portuguese men. Non-Italian/Portuguese can find their passaged barred by language rather than disdain or an unwelc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:35 PM
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They do when you're hot enough. Been on both sides of the fence. It's surreal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:18 PM
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ITT: Women humblebragging about their tits. Carry on tho, it's entertaining! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:31 PM
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I like your answer but can you go a step further and explain what those arenas are that men are more disadvantaged in and what cauases it? That would need a lot more research. Also, we can vaguely understand why some things happen, but available research (that I'm aware of) only scratches the surface. I'll draw a comparison between two issues to illustrate. Take the wage gap. There's a ton of research and data on it. We know the earnings of men vs. women, at various age break points and by profe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:23 PM
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Absolutely beautiful. Although I am partial to women with arms /s That's so ableist /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 02:41 PM
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I'm a guy, so I guess I'll answer here. In general alot of women seem kinda lonely in a big city because theres just not enough quality men to keep up. Let's say this is true. There's a couple of different ways you can approach this; the first is that men (in general) are unacceptably low effort. That, the average man just isn't trying hard enough. If this is the case, why do you suppose that is? The second is that the bar is just too high for the average woman. If women are the arbiters of 'eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 02:38 PM
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Honestly, I think it’s so they can claim the mantle of historical oppression for sympathy and affirmative action. It’s the latest tactic in the oppression olympics arms race. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 05:38 AM
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I've confessed to it on this account. I think it's more complicated than people are willing to believe. There are lots of reasons why it could happen, and not all of them preclude some kind of future loyalty. Sometimes people are callous and find someone available. Other times, it's a relationship that should have ended but somehow hasn't yet. IMO, if you can keep it a secret, just hold that one close. Unless I somehow meet my future partner with this reddit account or start a relationship with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:55 PM
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The flair has a /s in it. I think they're just having a laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:51 PM
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Honestly, I think men self-radicalize more than anything else. IME, any moment a man finds himself failing at his life goals and society inevitably fails him, he starts to think "why can't I get help?" Any media material even willing to talk about men is usually centered around the idea that nothing non-trivial and bad could ever happen to them. Initial searches for help are usually met with 'something something you're entitled', and the more they search for answers the more they find themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:44 PM
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It seems that at the end of the day, most women prefer to pick their mate from their actual social circle and people they already met in the real world, similar to how it was done since the dawn of time. I agree with this part. In 2019, something like 40% of couples met online. That means 60% didn't. That said, this number is trending upwards; more people are dating online now than ever before. Isn't it contradictory to the common narrative we see in this subreddit, implying that women have enor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:29 PM
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My feelings will likely always be summed up by by this poster*. One-sided, male voices don't matter, men can be cast out with impunity. Basically, relationships or hookups in those contexts are a deathtrap. They should be decided by the justice system, like every other crime. *Out of fairness, I feel obligated to mention that this poster is old (2008ish), and has since been retracted by that institution, but, it still made it through whatever approval process there was and made it to print. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:20 PM
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Four things, at least from my point of view: The traditional want-a-family dudes who didn't get a chance because they were too autistic, not attractive enough, etc. are bitter that someone else fucked it up and they never had a shot. I have quite a few trad friends who never got a shot, and went full red pill because there's not only no one who will give them a shot, but no one gives a shit about their plight, either. Single fathers aren't even a topic of conversation. When I see a single mom pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:14 PM
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Don't be afraid to say hi! Not afraid, but definitely not saying hi.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/20 07:06 PM
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Man, I just like getting my dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:53 AM
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As a late 30s, 6'1" male, mixed euro/arab, full head of salt and pepper hair, short cropped beard, fit-ish (not ripped, just have some muscle and I'm in the 'normal' BMI range), divorced with two kids, decent career but not stellar, Master's educated, but not working in that field. Short story is that I do okay, but nothing seems to be permanent, and there are a lot of bullets to dodge out there. It's weird, and it really differs by age. Women my age are cagey and generally kind of mean. Usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:46 AM
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Maybe? It's hard to know; I was raised believing makeup is deeply feminine or for entertainment presentation (like, actors). I'm very comfortable with my looks these days, and don't feel like I have to change anything more... but, let's be clear: I modify my appearance in other ways. I work out a lot, is that 'man makeup'?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:31 AM
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I think there is a difference between people that are clearly higher in one regard wanting a partner high in that regard as well and someone of a significantly lower regard wanting someone way out of their league. I mean, let's be clear here, most of the women getting 'shot' online for having 'high standards' are trailer trash single mom MLM 'entrepreneurs'. I don't think anyone but the extreme angry edge are getting mad at quality women wanting quality men. It seems like men are trying to catch…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:27 AM
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You wrote "Don't know why women are the ones getting shot for it." I'm just saying that men also get (rightly) skewered for having 'high standards'. I think women get ridiculed in the mainstream because it is very, very common. Swipe as a man on Tinder. You'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 05:00 AM
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--actually enjoying each other's company. Oh, for that, you could just have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:55 AM
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Look, if an 18+ woman wants to bang, I'm probably into it. Have you seen people in the neighbourhood of 20? They are fucking hot. But, emotional relationship? Probably not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:33 AM
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No one wants an ugly partner.... Don’t know why women are the ones getting shot for it. Men get called incels. Women do not have a monopoly on ridicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:30 AM
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As always: Why should I?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/11/20 03:29 AM
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Yeah, I don't get the (30+) people chasing those ones either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:51 AM
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I meant psychological development. I also noticed you skipped over the major point of stage of prefrontal cortex. Well, what age are we talking? A quick Google search suggests prefrontal cortex development finishes at 25. When I say 'younger', I mean around 25-30. Not like, teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:48 AM
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But I’m questioning why someone would prefer someone with low expectations than high. It's not usually a matter of my preference. 40+ women aren't usually interested in me because I'm a divorced father of two. But, weirdly, women who have more life ahead of them are far more interested. Maybe you're right in that they're naive, but that doesn't mean I'm a bad partner. If they have low expectations you might be absolute trash in reality. It's a balance. Want too much, you get nothing, want to lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:40 AM
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I mean that women in their 40s have unrealistic expectations about the bachelors that are left. No divorcees. Gotta be successful. Be super fit. Whatever. You can find lists of those demands from 40+ women anywhere on the internet. Sure, they know what they want, but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. If you believe younger women are comparatively naive in a categoric sense, I would venture I'm not the misogynist between us two.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:03 AM
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Yes for dating and fucking. We'd both know what to expect. I don't think we'd marry, but neither of us would want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 02:38 AM
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I think women really underestimate how good it feels to get your dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 02:19 AM
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Problem in the premise, IMO. I don't go for younger women because they're younger. I go for younger women because they aren't cagey and mean. If I were to find a non-cagey non-mean 40 year old, I'd be into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 02:18 AM
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Jessica Rothe (the scream queen from Happy Death Day). Her instagram seems genuinely interesting, and she's a bubbly positive person. Definitely someone I'd have a beer with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:56 AM
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I think it’s both things, but how can you know which is the more effective one?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:59 PM
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What are the two of you doing different? I work out 6 times a week. I'm also very flirty and am not especially respectful or deferential.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:25 AM
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When DV shelters and cops and hospitals would have mocked me, TRP helped me understand my situation. People who look down on TRP don't really understand this, because they've frequently never been in that spot where they need support options and find out they don't have any. No civil institution cares about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:24 AM
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Not a woman, will answer anyway. Men get no attention in general. We want attention. When we go get advice, there's two results. The first is blue pill circles, who will blanket tell you you're entitled for feeling lonely and that you should check yourself. Ever the custodians of mainstream philosophy, they also say it's what's inside that counts, and that you shouldn't worry about it too much as long as you are nice and respectful. No actionable advice, just be nice and don't make waves and it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:22 AM
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People think they know what they want/need, but don't often know what they want/need.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:09 AM
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I haven't gotten to 10% body fat, but I can tell you that you can get into pretty womens' pants if you just aren't fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:08 AM
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This is more a question to non-BP men who agree with the 80/20 concept. This is a tall order, because, people you recognize do not ever fall into the 80%. I'll give you an example of my friend though: Washington man, low six figures salary in government as a web dev, has his own house and a dog. Is good with his family. He's a competent cook, and has hobbies. He's a decent guy; he'd never raise his hand against you (or possibly anyone, except in self-defense). Open-minded, but not a blind follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:08 AM
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Have you ever known any female predators? Yes, biblically. Towards the end of my marriage, things went really south, and at least one of the women I slept with was serially into married men. I think she came after me because I was easy. We spend a lot of time talking about dark triad Chads, but have you ever met his female counterpart? I mean, it depends on their motivations and temperament. For some of these women, they're after self-esteem. They want to be seen as so irresistible that someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:30 AM
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Caveat: I believe red pill thought has some valuable advice, but I don't buy all of it. Your whole post is a giant confirmation bias. I'm not going to go through it piece by piece, but, here's something that's emblematic of what you're saying: But my experience (not everyones I know, but its my experience), is that the red pill is 100% true. It's not. If TRP were 100% true, there would be no happy marriages, because the woman would always be monkey branching or they'd be divorced. Yet, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:25 AM
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Didn't want to chime in with the main thread since imma dude, but... the bar is pretty low for my loyalty. Don't be really fat, don't be too clingy, treat me nicely, be interesting and give a shit about what I think. Honestly, I don't think it'd be super hard, but then again, I'm probably not much of a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:20 AM
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To me I recognize the female shape/silhouette as aesthetically pleasing, but the naked female with fully visible breasts/pussy grosses me out I'm with you on this one. For whatever reason, when a woman is fully nude and we're not about to fuck, I'm less interested than I would be if she were wearing something that complemented her shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:16 AM
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Eh, I don't think those are asshole-ish traits. Being vocal is just being assertive. Fear of approach/flirting is just anxiety. Putting yourself first always can be dickish if you're prioritizing your trivial wants over other people's big issues, but it isn't always.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:13 AM
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I mean, these are mindsets. Being an asshole stems from having these mindsets. What were you expecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:42 PM
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Everything is someone else's fault. You deserve anything, and everything. Everyone likes you, unless they're retarded. Then it doesn't matter if they do or don't. If someone wrongs you, it's because they're evil and malicious. It's good for everyone to know, too. Mostly, it comes down to not caring about other people, and accepting no responsibility whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:20 PM
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Cheated, past tense. I did before I left her - this was years ago though. I've admitted this before. And before that. Really, I've admitted to it plenty of times on this account. It's not a point of pride. I think it helps people understand the context of why it might happen, instead of drawing universals about gender (like 'men are trash' or AWALT). I've never pretended to be a paragon of rationality or (any) morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:53 PM
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Personality actually does matter a lot aside from physical attraction of course yes but character is the actual nice bonus not personality itself In my experience, it does not. My experience as a fat 'nice' person was miserable. I had a nervous breakdown, and became a thin asshole, and got so much more pussy from people I didn't even approach. While they knew I was married. I don't know if women confuse asshattery with confidence, but I do not believe my personality has ever mattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:33 PM
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Brilliant counterargument to a set of statements backed with sources. "Nope" Source: Trust me, bro. Why not just reply to everything "man bad, woman good"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:09 PM
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What on earth is wrong with their faces and eyes? They look like the monsters in Netflix's new horror show.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/11/20 07:18 AM
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how do you deal with feeling less valuable? It's a trick question: I don't feel less valuable, but there's more to it than that. Value is subjective. First, let's say someone you want to date values you less than someone competing with you. That doesn't mean you're somehow a worse person, or that you're without worth. The more you depend on other people for your self esteem, the worse off you're going to be in this arena. You're a worse swimmer than Michael Phelps, you're a worse weightlifter th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 05:17 AM
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Resentment will seep in. New partners get awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 11:02 PM
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....once a woman is attracted, what is the point of being nice? Well, here's the kicker: since they're either attracted to you or not, the final question should be: what is the point of being nice? Arguably, that's what TRP says at this point. Be a dick. Don't be nice. Don't be deferential. None of it is necessarily within the context of a relationship. Not my philosophy; I find some level of courtesy effortless, and it makes the world a (slightly) better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:11 PM
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It's already included in your paycheque, mate ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:44 PM
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I did, we are still strong together after close to 30 years. Divorced after 13. Should have divorced after 5. Knowing what I know now, if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't. Even if "it" is out there waiting for me, it's not worth the slings and arrows that you will likely suffer. NB, this is coming from someone with an almost pathological risk-proneness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:42 PM
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Do you think this is an observable trend, It's observable from the point of statistics. Lots of data suggests that attractive people are treated better. From my own experience as a former fat man who lost a lot of weight and now has muscle, attitude matters, but looks matter also. When I was chunky, I was a non-sexual person to them. If I had desires, it only made me repulsive, but they were happy to spend time with me as long as it didn't involve any deference on their part. Once I was thinner,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:39 PM
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This was worth it for the lols, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:33 PM
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Honestly, no. Even the most amicable should-be-ex-couples need to split, because it will affect the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 05:57 PM
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highlighted the saddened state of the many people seeking romance and intimacy; I don't think it's any different than it used to be. It just looks different, and we are aware of more than we were before. Honestly, I would rather people give it to me straight. I grew up thinking that I could find The One™, and believing that they might stick with me in sickness and health and that every day would be magical, etc. And realistically, it's just not true. It's just romcom culture garbage that's been …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 05:51 PM
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50% divorce rate The most common causes for divorces are : money, lack of intimacy and, infidelity. That 50% includes broke people, people that can't keep the spark alive and people that cheat. So to minimize risk of divorce: TRP (and especially MGTOW) argue that some of these things are beyond your control. Money? Bezos got divorced. Intimacy? Takes two to tango. Infidelity? Like women aren't hiding their n-counts or keeping secrets about their sexual pasts. We don't have complete knowledge. Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 05:42 PM
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There is a sea of average dick out there, what makes your (royal you) bland averageness any different? If it's so pervasive, isn't there just a good chance that all the hobby-havers are taken?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 05:34 PM
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Thank you for answering. That's helpful/enlightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 03:22 AM
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So, it can be effaced, and is therefore not omnipresent? (Not disagreeing, just puzzling it out as a phenomenon.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 03:05 AM
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But it does create an impact on one's life although you can't measure it for sure. I'm genuinely curious, I don't know if I'm asking the right questions because this isn't my experience (on account of being a dude). I asked the other person who replied this question, but would appreciate a response: If 'male fantasy' is omnipresent and cannot be effaced, what is the point of discussing it or even acknowledging it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 02:58 AM
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It absolutely does impact us, though. Self-consciousness, self-awareness, "the spotlight effect" are all side-effects of having our every action a fetish. I guess my question is, so what? Why do you care? Why should it matter to you? Or, maybe because I'm a man, I'm not asking the right questions. If 'male fantasy' is omnipresent and cannot be effaced, what is the point of discussing it or even acknowledging it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 02:54 AM
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Sometimes when I'm reading this sub it makes me feel like casual sex really is one of the most important things when it comes to all this dating stuff. The way it influences the past, present, and future of people. But then I think that maybe I'm just being influenced by the posts in this sub? Or the internet in general where the toxic come to seep in the minds of today? I think it has to do with the narrowness of the topic here. People talk about casual sex in PPD/TRP/FDS because they are all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 02:45 AM
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I’ve never looked at a man and had my blood absolutely boil because of his weight. No one's blood is boiling here. Also, if the facts matter to you, more men are obese than women. I don't see how that's relevant. I'm not attracted to fat women OR fat men. But hey FUCKING FAT amirite? You're reading too much into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 02:27 AM
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But Western women are fatter: Make another thread if you want this to be the topic. This is a thread about fat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 12:13 AM
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However, when the issue of obesity is brought up on this subreddit, it’s always framed as an issue in regarding female attractiveness, Emphasis mine. I mean, let's not pretend for a moment that TRP doesn't continually preach lifting weights. That's like, the first thing they tell you. If TRP was a house, "Lift" underlined with a barbell would be on the doormat. TRP goes far beyond just telling you to lift. Arguably, TRP is entirely about dating advice, and lifting is a small part of that. Given …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 11:36 PM
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I refuse to not use my eyes. They're my eyes, and you have no right to demand I avert or shut them. My eyes, my choice, if you will. Sorry not sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:39 AM
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As much as I love Margaret Atwood, I contest this as a poor logical position because it's not falsifiable. Her argument seems to be that you're always a male fantasy, even if you're trying to not be a male fantasy. Or, regardless of your effort, you're a male fantasy. If there's no situation in which you're not a male fantasy, it is just part and parcel to reality and has no measurable impact on your life because you can never compare your situation to one where 'male fantasy' is absent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:37 AM
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This is a catch-22. If you parade around naked, you can't help but draw attention; you're just going to get noticed. Men ought to be naturally attracted to naked women -- it's how we replicate. If you are fully clothed in a Burka in Saudi Arabia, maybe men don't objectify you as much. If you're somewhere in between, you're going to attract some attention in between. The question of whether it you're at fault has two components: 1), that it's something worthy of blame/fault, and 2)(conditional on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:56 AM
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It can be true, but on average, it really isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 12:50 AM
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This is an exception that proves the rule, though. Mike Tyson in his very prime was 230 lbs at 5’10”, but no one would ever think he was obese. However, most people who have an obese BMI also look obese. Generally speaking, someone who is 5’4” and 170 lbs is fucking fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 12:40 AM
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Here's my totally baseless theory: Someone decided it would be a great idea to tell women that men were The OthersTM The last 40 years of girl-power pussy-hat men-are-trash misandrist bombardment has conditioned any woman who is even remotely bisexual to eschew men on the basis that it just isn't worth it. And they believe it, because people accept 'everyone knows' at face value. Same reason why if you grow up in a religious household, you'll probably be a religious adult. Well, if you grow up i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 10:09 PM
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This isn't an average of people's weight by height. It's the BMI standard with two sets of years. The chart indicates that the BMI scale has actually loosened up; you could have been obese in 1911, but in 2011, you'd merely be overweight. All that said, 5'4" 170 lb is fucking fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 09:56 PM
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The real story is that most people are really fucking lazy about their health. Conditions beyond your control that make you irreversibly fat are very, very rare. Food deserts, and poor public education about fitness have pretty much scuttled the average American's attractiveness without them ever knowing what hit them. That's why there are so many fat activists: They don't realize how they arrived here, only that doctors diagnose them with weight-related illnesses (which are usually correct) and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 09:52 PM
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Me and everyone I know. For myself, countless times in a lot of different contexts (once, it's that they sat next to me in an empty cafeteria, but they weren't even interested in talking). I kind of learned mostly that people aren't generally interested, so I now default to 'not interested' (obligatory youtube lols on this topic). I think people misread them because there are just playful people out there who are flirty but in committed relationships that matter to them. There's a lot of factors…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 01:59 PM
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Fair point, a google search confirms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:53 AM
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You pay your taxes, yes? Programs benefiting women are typically funded by tax dollars. In the future as fewer men sign up to be slaves, more tax money will be put into those programs in the name of 'equality'. I'm all for taxes if it's properly spent, and (at least where I live) it (mostly) is. But, make no mistake, you will end up paying for dependent women, whether you want to or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:52 AM
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I mean, these things were already happening in the West. But, I wish the researchers wouldn't insinuate that it was desperation that makes women sexualize themselves; many women are getting filthy rich off onlyfans. That's fine with me, but don't say "oh poor women" when it's not some unenviable hell they need to do to survive. They do it because it's lucrative, moreso than most employment available to anyone. This part isnt't necessarily true. Maybe they are going there because of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:48 AM
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From your own link: "There were 800,000 women who served in the Soviet Armed Forces during the war,[1] which is roughly 3 percent of total military personnel." So, /u/slam9 has the right of it. The only reason why 800,000 women in the army seems impressive is because there were millions upon millions of Russian men doing the fighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:32 AM
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Cuz fat is gross, duh. Outside fetishists, women don't like fat men, either. Also, fucking a fat woman is like, awkward and possibly even painful. I hooked up with someone who had such a fat belly that it was hard to do anything but doggy or cowgirl. Never again, I tell you! Anyway, for me it's also a lifestyle thing. A woman I'm with has to at least rock climb with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:52 AM
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I find this so funny, because "she wanted to find out how men are with each other" but they couldn't like, you know, just ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:38 AM
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If you’re a man turning into a woman, do you think you’d have problems getting a relationship knowing what you know about men If you’re a woman turning into a man I'll answer the man-to-woman part. I feel for women, I really do. You're attracted to someone, and then you find out that lots of people are attracted to them. And then you find out that he has lots of options, and you have to compete for a 'high value' man's attention. Then you find out it's a shell game where he might not pick you, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:34 AM
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There are lots of people who try a poly lifestyle on the basis of being open-minded, only to find out they are not all that 'enlightened' and that it's definitely not the lifestyle for them. I wouldn't say that number is increasing. That said, the threat to heterosexual marriage is that neither side seems to be all that interested in giving any ground to the other. Men are terrified of divorce and losing everything at the same time Tinder makes the benefits of marriage publicly available to attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:29 AM
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That's pretty much the only tangential conclusion you can draw, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:26 AM
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First, one of the reasons men aren't able to tell because the male experience is so feast and famine. Most men spend so much of their lives basically invisible to women that when they get any attention at all, they think it's a magic moment when really the woman usually just wants to be friends most of the time. Second, women are terrible at delivering them. Why women do it is immaterial to me; some people say women are afraid of backlash or are just trying to be nice, but, it doesn't really mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:49 PM
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Now granted, that's at the very minor end of things in terms of sexual harrasment but it begs the question, why is it that it's mostly men who do this? When it rape/harassment happens to men at the hands of women, it isn't reported, and it's constantly dismissed. While I'm sure it's mostly men who do it, I wonder about the margins. So what is it? Is it how men are raised, biology or a mixture of both? Probably both, but definitely a heavy biology component. Men are driven to mate, and society of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 06:39 AM
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It's a great way to have relationship trouble later. Here's a reasoning tree: If the guy has low libido, you're basically offering him a relationship with someone who doesn't want to screw much, and that will haunt you later. People with higher libido and self respect will just break up with you when they perceive a mismatch. I dump people who don't put out early, because it's important to me. Nothing wrong with there being a mismatch, but I wouldn't tolerate it. People with higher libido and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 06:22 AM
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It used to be, but it isn't anymore. But, let's be clear: Getting laid is super fun. I really like it, even at the age of 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:53 AM
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Generally I agree, but I think it's only so prominent because RP is so male POV focused. But should anyone try to point out the flaws in the typical male’s role in dating—or just point out the obvious fact that they do what they shame women for—there seems to be a convenient explanation (hamstering) that maintain’s the red pill man’s role as sympathetic victim. Eh. Depends on your morality. RP folks are pretty merciless about being a betabux or simp/orbiter, but that's a judgment in terms of RP …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:36 AM
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Individuals are not statistics, but, statistics are always relevant: Women with more than 10 partners are at increased risk of divorce (and, if this isn't clear, divorce is really, really bad for men): https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160606082607.htm I'm not above admitting this: It makes me feel bad as a man. I like to think maybe I'm a prude, but my N count is like, 20. I'm not going to like it if my partner has had like 50 partners. I have trouble articulating why. Different att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:35 PM
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Men don't arrive at TRP unless they're losers with women. Winners don't go looking for advice on how to pick up/sleep with women if they're already doing it. The naive strategy of life where you get educated, get a decent job and pair up with someone who seems okay doesn't work out for the people who end up divorced. The divorce rate is enormously high (what is it, like 40%?). It's not 50%, but, considering the consequences, is that a coin you want to flip? If the naive life strategy worked out …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:25 PM
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No. I'd just hang with my platonic friends. To the people saying 'but what about romance' or 'partnership matters'... Let me tell you, as a divorcee, it really doesn't. That's just how you end up with blue balls wanting something that isn't going to happen. It actually feels worse to be romantically involved with someone with no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:18 PM
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Do they know that mashing the 'blame men' button isn't going to solve anything? I don't think they know...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/20 04:34 PM
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So, there's a huge inequality in college education; since equality is the name of the game, men should get a leg up with encouragement in the form of scholarship or preferential treatment, right? Like, some sort of affirmative action for the underdog, here. No? Colour me unsurprised.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/20 04:31 AM
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I think blame is a range. Some blame should be handed out, probably in equal measure in both situations. I will say for men, though, that there's a ton of societal education that says how they should man up and provide provide provide, but that just doesn't work out for them half the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:15 AM
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If this is a take it or leave it thing, I could just leave it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/20 11:59 PM
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Women are more powerful and men can't handle it I'm sure it's true some of the time, but the vast majority of the time, it's because you're insufferable no matter how powerful/less you are.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/08/20 11:00 PM
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I'm not an especially prolific one-night-stand guy, but, the more women I fuck the less time I want to spend time with them outside of fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 11:16 PM
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Alright, you've convinced me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 04:14 AM
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Describes me to a tee. Though, does this not also apply to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:26 PM
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True Reddit winning conditions! It's either an argumentative victory, or, the last poster is just too thick to get the point from the other party. I give it 50/50 odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:23 PM
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Eh, I wouldn't say so. I think there are lurkers around that are swayed. I know I've changed my mind about some things since reading here, though some posters are ornery af and impossible to actually reason with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:22 PM
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It's almost like neither men, nor women are a monolith...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:20 PM
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Maybe. I think common-law marriage needs to be abolished.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:43 AM
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People have gotten what they want. They may not have gotten what they need. More than that, people are told what they should want by society. Two-point-four-kids, white picket fence, yard, desk job. I remember vividly in the '90s in Canada, our governments and education system was geared towards the new paradigm of information technology; everything was streamlined towards programming, service products and business. Trades were an afterthought, manufacturing was (rightfully) declared to be a dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:41 AM
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It's such a stereotype, but, I think it's taboo because of screeching middle-aged women who missed the boat. Part of it is also that not-younger women are much pickier, and so lots of men are stereotyped as going for younger women when they don't have any other choice. I'm in my late 30s, but, the women who will actually give me the time of day are much younger. Women in their mid-30s to 40s just aren't interested. If you're not breaking the law, doesn't it make sense to pursue what you're truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:22 AM
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I guess I wouldn't mind being a plate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:48 AM
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a section of men are going to start offing themselves. I mean, they already are. But there's a reason these guys aren't getting a girlfriend. It's a free market hence very competitive. You are both the product and the sales man. These guys either have shitty products, are shit sales men or both. Basically no woman wants to buy what they're selling. And some set their price too high (they only want hot chicks). I wonder about this. Specifically, I wonder if there was such a proportion of loveless…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:44 AM
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They're angry that the bully wins. They do. The amoral view is to just get yours, and enjoy it. Can anything be done? Or is this just a sad state of human nature? I think it's self-defeating to view it as a binary. I think that's the way people on TRP and FDS do; they see it as either winning or losing, and who wants to be a loser? They take the amoral view. But, the moral view is just as troublesome; ethical smartphones don't exist, eating ethically is hard, and every little manipulation TRP an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:36 AM
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Yes there are people over 40 who don’t have children. Does not change the fact that most people over 40 do. Most people over 40 have children, but, I don't think the majority of those people are single and looking to mingle. Also, so long as we're on the topic; I'm almost 40 with kids, but I'm dating someone whose childless and 31. Age gaps in dating don't mean that you're always going to be going out with a single parent. Can we for once lay-off the exception of one disproves the rule bullshit?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:24 PM
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They shouldn't, in the same way men shouldn't care about single moms. But, honestly, women could take some advice that's been coming out for a while now: Settle at some point before you get old. Sidestep angry men; there's a lot of ink spilled by women about how they waited too long, or kept pining for Mr. Right while Mr. Good Enough was right there. What's good for women would, incidentally, help some of those lonely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:59 PM
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Because they’re young. I’m 44. Anyone dating at my age is dating single parents. Or is the single parent (I'm not quite 40). I'm dating someone who is childfree, but I'm the one with the children. Mind you, I know a few single forty-somethings that don't have kids and aren't dating people with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:45 PM
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For once I'm gonna agree with you, though the costs are not just dollars and cents in the form of social welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:43 PM
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No one cares about men, and only marginally more really care about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:41 PM
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Sometimes, a request to do something is a difference in priorities. It might be tremendously important to you that I do X (like, doing laundry), but I might have priorities that preclude it (like roof repair). The problem IME is when the other person wants to monopolize your time and has no empathy for the need to relax. Just finished repairing the roof? Start on the laundry! Well, no. I don't want to be doing maintenance and chores for 100% of my non-work time. If I just finished repairing the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 10:29 PM
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When it comes to social policy, you cannot rely on the scientific method. The social sciences are not scientific. Then we’re at an impasse. I won’t accept conclusions based on “just trust me”. If you want to provide better outcomes, you need firm and concrete action plans on how to get there, and execute those plans. Sorry, won’t make plans based on your hopeful theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 12:08 AM
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It's the only system period, if want to achieve any sort of hope for a civilized future. Just stating something doesn’t make it true. This doesn't make sense. How does market capitalism 'work' on an inherently human level? I guess capitalism in Canada seems to result in a minimal amount of misery. At least from my experience. Demonstrably by who? I beg to differ. I doubt the refugees that are pouring into the west from capitalist countries of their own, from all over the world, think the same wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 11:38 PM
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The market system does not work, even if strongly regulated. I’m sure communism would be a great system if humans weren’t humans. But it demonstrably doesn’t work out in the same way free market capitalism also demonstrably doesn’t work out. I’m saying moderate positions are the best we can do because radical systems demonstrably fail. If the system worked in the first place, you wouldn't need to socialize healthcare in the first place, and then take it away later... I think it should be sociali…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 11:17 PM
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Not at all. Your position is circular. If my beliefs are based on ‘what the majority thinks’, what are their beliefs based on? That’s self-referential. Further, you’re offering more strawmen. A moderate position does not preclude lacking solutions for emergencies. Just because I’m not a communist doesn’t mean I don’t believe in temporary measures to assist during a medical emergency, or that I believe some things should be socialized (like healthcare).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:51 PM
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Easy to be quiet, when you have no principles, and do whatever is expedient. That's such a strawman. There's a difference between having no principles and believing that politics and interpersonal relationships don't have to be bizarre extremes. For example, you can believe in moderate market/environmental/business regulation as a position somewhere between free market libertarianism and communism. That's not lacking principles, that's having a principle of protecting consumers as while permitti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:24 AM
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We'd all be perpetually single. Realistically, I think many men date because of their sex drive. Without it, it'd just be their bros or by themselves, 24/7. You can already be picky, and I encourage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:29 PM
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All wines turn to vinegar eventually. because they know that unless they become world wide famous there's no way that a desirable 22-26 yo desirable woman will fancy them EXCEPT if they're a desirable 22-26 yo man themselves. when they're single in their mid-thirties i always see them going after women their age instead of younger women because they know that there are younger better looking men to fuck and attract their younger girlfriends the same way they did when they were in their prime Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:18 PM
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Oh, certainly. I think things soured as disagreements went on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:27 PM
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I guess, I don't think there are good or bad people in my situation. None of us are saints.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:13 PM
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Hooker gets money, you get the sex you need, what’s the problem? Honestly, I think it's because a lot of men want more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:11 PM
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I think I left something out. In my recounting of events, it could be interpreted that I’m denying agency in my decisions. I fully hold myself to account. I made those decisions, and my ex is not to blame. Basically, I made two poor decisions; first, not divorcing earlier, and second, to cheat. So, I hope my situation is understandable, even if it is inexcusable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 10:00 PM
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I don't think she ever respected me enough to consider my position for decisions, but it didn't seem to matter that much in the early years. Affection was on and off, but the longest things ever went were a 3-4 years without sex. I'm stubborn, and wanted things to work. I think divorce was an option for the latter half of the marriage, so maybe like 6 years. I really wanted things to work, but, after so long, it became clear that things were never going to get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 07:18 PM
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That's a complicated question. There's the proximate cause, and then there's a million underlying things that might be invisible on first inspection. Let's be clear: I didn't really go looking; a half-hearted once-only attempt at the bar scene rather than searching on dating apps or anything like that. How it actually happened was that I got offers from people, and I could not say 'no' because I wasn't getting affection in my marriage. I thought "Great, I'm finally going to get laid by someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 06:40 PM
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As an individualist I must believe that not all Red Pillers and not all Feminists think like this or perhaps even realize the way these ideas come across to others. I think personal identification with these ideologies is becoming very muddy. When someone says they are a 'feminist', it's not clear to me what they mean anymore; are they the rabid actually-want-to-materially-harm-men feminists in line of thought with Valerie Solanas, or are they milder in the basic second wave feminist sense who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:43 PM
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Men care about your face for LTRs more than they do about your body. I hate to be this guy, but I almost always find thinner faces more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:56 AM
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This is something that I've wondered about. Here's what I think is happening: Moderates are quiet. My own experience in SJW circles has led me to believe that they are completely fucking crazy. Reading TRP... kind of the same conclusion. There are a ton of people out there in the middle who are probably along the lines of "yeah, like, just lift weights, be kind, try to look out for yourself and others when you can". And realistically, that's all you have to do. But, moderates are quiet. There's …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:54 AM
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Self-crit is exactly what TRP promotes as well I think there's a fundamental difference between the two school's "Self crit" then. For TBP, especially SJWs, self-crit almost universally is a deflection; saying I need help belies 'entitlement' to them. They point out different problems but you’ve not been through TRP enough if you think they’re any nicer to advice-seekers than TBP is. I never claimed TRP was nice, and it would be silly for anyone to claim that, I think. Even TRP doesn't bill them…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:47 AM
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I mean, how are we gonna know? I'm sure some will respond to this on their deathbed or in their suicide note.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 11:59 PM
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Someone saying “you need to work on yourself” (which, according to you, is what TBP does) is literally exactly the same as saying to work out. IME, 'lift weights' is never what they've meant by 'work on yourself'. They mean 'self crit' to find out why you're a bad person and fix that. It's never about helping you improve yourself with BPs, it's always about conforming to some ideology whose adherence is completely often completely orthogonal to your actual problem. The only extra “oomph” TRP giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 11:46 PM
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Okay, so, your position is that TRP = bad. I don't disagree on some level, but I would counter that BP is even worse. It isn't that things were ever easier in other times, or about romanticizing the past. Of course things were always hard. It's about social circles providing meaingful and actionable advice for people in obvious distress who are failing at their life goals. Whenever I go to SJW/leftist/"Blue Pill" circles (let's just call them 'BP' for short), they offer absolutely no positive ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 09:09 PM
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Sure, someone has to feed the troops.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 04:22 PM
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Alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 04:17 PM
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My question, then, is, why split these into different categories? A spade is a spade. If you had sex and didn't want to, you were raped. It doesn't matter how they got there, it's the same animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:58 PM
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Okay. I'm a nerd/autist. Now what? What's the takeaway from this whole thread? That I should look more closely at TRP because I'm socially inept?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:54 PM
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Tbh I find it unbelievable on multiple levels. Okay. Let's talk it out. The first being lack of possibility. You expect me to believe the average woman can pin the average man down, hold him still, and successfully fuck him while he's actively struggling? Have you ever been drugged with a paralytic that left you conscious? Are you an amputee or otherwise physically disabled? There are plenty of ways you can be vulnerable and have a disadvantage. You're just managing to show a failure of imaginat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:45 PM
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Poor victim he is getting laid by hot women There's a presumption that sex abusers are hot, here, and you could not be more wrong. Also given your activity on this topic, I guess you're okay with this case, where a woman raped a kid, and now that kid has to pay child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:41 PM
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My 2c comment for this whole thing is: No one cares about men. If it were not the case, this would make headlines or news pieces, or whitepapers, or have protests. But there isn't, anyone trying to swim upstream here is going to get ridiculed. Double standards as they are, no one is going to be interested in the 'male lived experience'. I've been a victim of sex assault a few times, and it feels exactly like what every woman complains about in the status quo: It didn't happen, and if it did, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:29 PM
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It is my practice that you should consider all information from all people. What people say, AND what they do. The one caveat I give is this: Be careful when ascribing motivations to individuals. The motivations of the individual are often inscrutable, with a predictability approaching random selection. We joke about women with daddy issues or men with mommy issues, but, realistically there are a million things like 'daddy' or 'mommy' issues that strongly influence and direct how people behave a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 12:47 AM
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I don't think we care. Mostly, we just want to be left alone. I'm not terribly young anymore, but I date younger almost exclusively. There's a few reasons for this, but it's not typical RP reasons; usually, it's because the women my age are much pickier and aren't willing to give me a chance (I'm not going to pretend I'm a great 'catch', here). 20-somethings, for whatever reason, are way more willing to give me a chance than 30-somethings. So, I often date twenty-somethings or early-30s. But old…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 01:13 PM
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and that the only feelings worth sharing is violent anger. I wish it were the case that emotions and displays other than bravado and violence got positive attention. Now that they are a softer, more useless bunch, they take to the underbelly of the internet to show who they are. Oh. Are you suggesting that that these 'soft' men (your word, not mine) are deserving of the round mocking they receive from all quarters? That since they're 'soft' (and not displaying exclusively anger/bravado), that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:26 PM
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Yeah, I mean... it is old. But, the attitude and policies surrounding it are forever present. Law enforcement in North America still follows the Duluth model for handling DV disputes, there are still no battered men shelters, and so on, and so on, and so on, even though women are shown in every study I've ever heard of to be slightly less than 50% of abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:06 PM
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My favourite one is that unironic article Jezebel published about them beating their boyfriends and how "they deserved it".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:23 PM
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I'm sure they are, and I'd actively avoid them if I ever did meet one I mean, these people don't get second dates from me. The man hating sounds like a cover, they wouldn't be on tinder dates if they actually hated men (I'm assuming you're a man) When someone opens up with a date about how they've been disappointed by heterosexual men their entire life, they either a) hate men, or b) are testing the waters to see how much abuse you're willing to take. Either way, I'd say they man-haters. I'd gue…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:21 PM
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Oh, definitely. I've met many more misandrists than bonafide misogynists, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:17 PM
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do men ever feel weird talking about “Chad” and how desirable he is? No... though, the very specific features individual people seem to ascribe to Chad are sometimes telling about the individual doing the describing. Chad is an idea, not an instance. It's the guy who does well with women without trying, etc. etc. etc. The more you would try to pin down who he is and what he looks like, the more ridiculous and nonsensical the idea becomes. I think at this point, a lot of people (myself included) …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:22 PM
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I think it's probably equal, but women's complaints are so mainstream that individuals have a kind of house-blindness about it. We just don't see women-complaining-about-men as 'complaining' because it's part of op-eds in major newspapers, or part of vice, everydayfeminism, buzzfeed or huffpo. Men's complaining either doesn't get seen, or gets broadbrushed as 'misogyny'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:14 PM
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In real life, neither. People complain about specific men or women, but there's no general vitriol Depends on the circles you hang out in. If you ever meet an internet SJW in public, you'll find out they're just as awful IRL. I've also been on some very special tinder dates with people who were pretty vocal about man-hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:07 PM
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1)Marriage is MORE beneficial to men than to women Lasting marriages are more beneficial to men. That means if you win that 50% divorce rate coinflip, it's good for you. For the other 50%, it's catastrophically bad. IMO, a hyperbolic comparison would be "lottery winners tend to be more happy when they win"; while (probably) strictly true, it doesn't mean the phenomenon is without risk or even likely. 2) Single men (especially from the lower classes) tend to have WORSE outcomes in life than singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 01:36 PM
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ngl, I chuckled.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 03:18 AM
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Are you still talking with them? Definitely. There's a little chilling effect on things, though. It's not the same when you can't just go out and see them. I kinda wish we were in a non-infectious emergency situation; I bet people bond better/faster when they feel like they have to bunker down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 03:59 AM
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I dont understand why theres always someone attacking another group. It's what humans do. We form tribes, and fight other tribes. I could write pages and pages about this (kidding, this format is closer to a scroll than a codex), but a wry comedian whose name escapes me summed it up perfectly when commenting on The Troubles in Ireland: "In the absence of Blacks, Jews, and Mexicans, humanity will make do." There will always be tribes, and there will always be violence - physical or otherwise. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:02 PM
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Single-ish. Definitely less. I had just embarked on a promising set of dates with someone I met (not online, amazingly!), too, and we still text constantly, but, quarantine really put a damper on things. I'm looking forward to hitting it when this all blows over.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 09:55 PM
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With all of this in mind, why do you still play with the fire that might destroy your value in society if you were to make too grand a mistake? – What motivates you to care enough to talk about it and to try to change it? I tend to keep my political opinions to myself. There isn't much of a risk when you say "I like how things are" even if you don't like them. I'm not out to change the world. I've had my years of altruism, and realistically, if you want to make a change, it's going to need more …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 02:22 PM
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No. I got places to be. If they don't like it, they can make an escape, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 02:14 PM
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So men arent a monolith but women are? Didn't say that. I'm saying objectification from all people seems really common. I'm not even convinced it's a bad behaviour, since everyone does it, and has been since forever. Then when did women consent to sex = “She’s rewarding CHAD for his badboy behavior! She never rewards the good men!” ? Never said that. Other people did. I'm only saying 'entitlement' is a myth; men don't generally believe they're 'owed' anything. If anything, movements like RP beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:45 PM
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I think the first problem is that men aren't a monolith, but feminism definitely treats them like one. I wanted to reply to more, but, most of it just doesn't apply to me. objectification I think men objectify women because women make themselves objects. The massive rise in instagram/amateur porn is part and parcel to that. The other half of it is that women objectify men. Not just our bodies, but we're often treated as wallets/ATMs, as well. Objectification is just regular human behaviour at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:29 PM
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Red pill types. Should the long sought after virgin, looks match with an easy going personality and no hidden crazy present themselves. Have you lead a life that would make you worthy of her interest? Would you have the personality to court and win her love? Fuck yeah. I think I'm a pretty interesting guy. I have history and I've earned my scars (everyone has scars, but as the old saying goes "There are many like it, but this one's yours."). I have stories to tell, and ears to listen. I have lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:16 PM
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It’s free if you’re a woman, some of the time. There seems to be an awful lot of funding for women in crisis. I don’t begrudge them that. It just so happens there’s none for men. And men kill themselves in droves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 12:58 PM
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and don’t go to the doctor” no shit. Tbh, yes, that's part of it, but the other part of it is that there's nothing for us when we do. I wrote about what it's like to try and interact with a mental health system as a man in crisis recently. But, realistically, that's not been my first attempt to. I have been in and out of mental health offices my entire life; my first psych eval was at 8. Ever since then, I've walked in, stated what I need, and either been paywalled out, or outright turned away. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 05:16 AM
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https://youtu.be/edLQdf4o0cg Sorry, this person doesn't know what it's like to be an average joe. "I was a CEO in my 30s, look at all my privilege" Guess what? That's a privilege of wealth, not of being a man. There's how many people on that yacht? 22? There are millions upon millions of men not on yachts. This person can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 05:10 AM
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What a can of worms. She has a right to be upset, it's her prerogative to be upset at anything, including the weather. Dude also has a right to be upset she isn't putting out as much as he'd like. Dude also has a right to consume porn if it's within his means (in terms of money and time). It's not cheating. Fundamentally there's no agency or real participation on the part of the 'other woman'. If the guy is getting into fantasyland because his wife won't put out, maybe his wife could, idk, bring…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:58 AM
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In my experience, there's no way in hell that women hit the wall at 30. I would tend to agree that it's not universal. But, I also think it depends on the woman. Check out Giada De Laurentiis. Link 1, Link 2. She's 49. Forty, fucking, nine. Obviously, there's some makeup action going on, and the second link might be as much as 10 years old (making her a definitely-post-wall-according-to-TRP-at-39). But, let's not kid ourselves, she's definitely hotter than most 20 year olds. The effort is attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:50 AM
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I agree. I'm better off now than ever, but I'm also shocked at how often I get turned down or treated like "I'm okay for now, but she's looking for someone better". Yeah. The last relationship I was in, I'm convinced that's why it ended. I was "Mr. Right Now" and she was looking for "Mr. Right-in-every-way". I had some good experiences and no regrets, but it stung a little when she moved on, and I sometimes wonder if she's really going to do better as we age (we were not spring chickens, and we …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 12:47 AM
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One can be upset about the state of things, even if it seems immutable. Additionally, I'm not convinced we're deterministic animals with immutable behaviours. I believe we can choose to do or be better, or make choices that seem poor on instinct, but have good effects in a way we can intellectually anticipate. I mean, take all the things we eat that animals generally avoid: cayenne pepper, or alcohol. Animals (including the vast majority of humans) realise they're consuming a poison, but humans …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 12:41 AM
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Doesn’t seem like a likely scenario. Ugly men don’t get chances? Hypothetically, probably not. If you date 100 people and don’t settle, the problem isn’t with the other 100 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 04:06 PM
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Clearly not; some women die single.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 06:35 AM
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I think the anger from guys comes from basically not being given a chance. There are so many posts on blogs, opinion columns and news sites about women's experiences being too picky and missing out on family life. What mainstream media is silent on is that there are millions of men out there with the same problem. I would venture that those men are frustrated, partly because it's a signal that they're "not good enough" (and it needs no saying so, but it's a major blow to the ego to be unwanted),…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 05:12 AM
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/r/woosh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 08:25 PM
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And it's pretty clear you're not interested in other points of view, considering every comment you've made in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:51 PM
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I find it's current usage in the manosphere intensely funny. MGTOWs especially will use 'cat lady' as a mocking epithet, but then post about how they have one special partner in their life: their dog. It's a true failure of introspection for people in the MGTOW sub to not see how those things are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:46 PM
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Accurate af.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:43 PM
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I think you're only proving my point about how you wouldn't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:40 PM
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You dont think women understand what's it like to prefer laziness and hedonism to responsibility? Hate to you this, that's called being a child. You misunderstand. I don't think women will ever understand what it's like to have a man's sex drive and how it affects our decision-making. I would venture most men don't even understand it; sometimes it's a subtle beast, and believing you have a sexual opportunity will skew male decisions with them hardly realising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:33 PM
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I think women would be pretty salty at the fact no one gives a shit about them once they're a man. Definitely not institutions, maybe one or two individuals. With a few exceptions, you're only as good as what you provide for people, whether it be money, opportunity, or emotional support. If those dry up, you're nothing to them. You need help? No institution has your back. It's no surprise most homeless are men. Women would also be surprised at the threat of violence or small initiations of viole…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 05:09 AM
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I mean, objectively this is true. A night of fuckery is not as important as having a future. I think, however, there is a difference between understandability and excusability. It's inexcusable to suffer a blow to your future for sex. It is, however, understandable. I won't ever expect a woman to understand, tho, just like women don't expect men to understand women's "lived experiences" (even though women also expect treatment as though every one of their 'lived experiences' is true).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:35 AM
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This seems generally true IME, though I don't think 'the wall' is always the same number. Though, honestly, their increasing standards just results in being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:32 AM
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You just want to add her to your notch count. You just want to nut in her (and any other) vagina. Not at all. There are plenty of average women who are attractive, and worth partnering up with, and cannot be reduced to the sum of their fun parts. Honestly, you sound kind of bitter and misandrist, and there is plenty of evidence from regular common relationships to show that your assertions here cannot be universally true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 08:34 PM
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SO MUCH MOTIVATION HERE. Do it for yourself, not for the women in potentia. I (probably) have depression, but, since my body changed into something nicer/better, I feel better. More motivated, etc. I work out because of that, and because it's something you can trade alcohol/drug abuse for - I actively consume less of those things now that I'm on a pretty strict workout schedule. Don't crash out, no excuses. Do it for you, you'll be glad you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 11:32 PM
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Obligatory grass-is-greener caveat. I would totally come back as a woman. Being bi and presenting as very masculine pretty much prevents me from being in the same-sex relationships that I would be interested in, on my own self-image alone (but don't worry, I don't think they're interested, either). I'm not really convinced that women do worse in other respects right now, either. I don't believe for a second pay equity is the monumental issue people make it out to be. Statscan, for you Canadians …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 11:27 PM
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I'll be honest, I've never heard anyone guess with any accuracy, except people that spend a shitton of time together and actually witness the N-count increasing or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 10:56 PM
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what i'm asking is ?....do skinny girls with average faces count as unattractive ? Oop. Missed it when you asked that in your last comment. Lost in the memory of the time I had sex with a really fat chick. I typically find skinny/average-faced women attractive/appealing, yes. They don't have to have a specific pair of tits, or an especial jaw line, or a particular kind of booty (though, some booties are more attractive than others IME). Honestly, the bar for women (for me) is really low.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:15 PM
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Fuck that. Quite simply, the reason is just fuck that. I hear that. Honestly, the only reason why I date at all at this point is that I worked on myself and women show interest. I can't be bothered to chase anymore. The person I'm dating now was a blind date set up by a coworker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:12 PM
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I haven't ended it either. I lift weights 4-5 times a week, without fail. I've signed out of the dating apps for now (I found a RL connection I kind of like), but, I know if I go back to them there'll be women waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:04 PM
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why do they need to be attractive? are average looking faces and not fat too "ugly" for a fwb or booty call? Because I know I can pull hotties and I'm not so much of a sex addict that sex with someone I find unattractive is worth the trouble? Have you slept with a fat woman before? If the gut is big/solid enough, it can be logistically difficult and can be even painful. That is not better than just watching the most degenerate porn you can find. I mean, YMMV, I'm not saying that everyone should …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:03 PM
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i think a lot of the best TRP advice falls under ...how to fuck your chances with pathetic behavior. simply because guys don't realize how pathetic their behavior is until it's pointed out . Not just your chances. It's possible to SIMP for women who are totally into you, and it doesn't necessarily make you less attractive. In another context, it could be framed as "being generous". However, generosity is a way to make yourself poorer, unless you already are possessed of such means that it does n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 07:42 PM
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I think after reading TRP, it came more apparent to me that I'm actually somewhat okay looking (incels would cite a few millimeters of bone), and that not being fat will get you really really far. As for abundance mentality, I've found it to be more helpful for insulating yourself against finding myself orbiting/simping, than anything it does to a woman. I think really counter to TRP is the idea that people have different types (even if there's some not-quite-supermajority that prefers white and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 07:30 PM
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Is this true? Why do you suppose that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:09 PM
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Yeah. I mean, someone values me more than their history and relationship. But, I think I'm defective in that arena; I have trouble refusing attention from anyone. Bonus question I'm usually alarmed. That person is kind of insecure, and those sorts of people seem (to me, at least) more likely to act out or cause trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:04 PM
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Pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:58 PM
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If Wife Goggles don't exist, how do you explain the 50% marriage success rate. It's not a doomed enterprise. It's just a flip of the coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:57 PM
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It happens. It happened to me when I was a less functional human being. Counter to RP thinking, some women have saviour complexes and want sad boys, fixer-uppers, etc. I don't know what the logic is behind it (maybe if you fix something it owes you loyalty?). I don't think it's common, and I think women who are well-to-do are far less likely to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 08:36 PM
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TRP doesn't have the monopoly on 'lift weights, dress nice, have a good career'. What's the opposite of that? Stop caring about your health? Don't have style? Who cares about money/the future/anything? Nihilism isn't (usually) attractive. BP sexual strategy is the belief that women aren't going to backstab you, and that pairing for life is a real thing. All the fairytale romantic stuff. For some people, I'd even wager it's true; you luck out meeting someone at a party, you date and live together…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 07:55 PM
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I wouldn't say so. From my own point of view, I just want a couple of things: Affection and respect. If you haven't got a deep affection for me, I would expect you to see yourself out. If you haven't got any respect for me, I should know, and I'll see myself out. If you haven't got either, I'd expect women to not pretend to have both while trying to strip mine me for free food and drinks (and since women can't seem to do that is why I always split the bill). Those two things, most women I've met…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:52 PM
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Honestly, the answer I think is orthogonal to your question. When a guy says "I want more sex" I think what they really mean is "I want to be loved and respected". That's pretty unrealistic, though, so we'll settle for any combination of a, b, and c, without realizing what's actually missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:28 PM
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I can't think of when this has ever worked. While it isn't black & white, if they're interested, they'll let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:25 PM
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As others have said, it's because they fuck 'valuable' men with the hopes they can get a relationship out of them, and when it doesn't happen (because that guy is going to commit to somewhere between zero and one woman), they come crying to Dear Abby or the internet about how all men are bad. I think most non-incel men have accepted that they are viewed as 'lesser', and many have reached the conclusion that you can opt-out of that whole thing. Is that set of conclusions upsetting combined with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:21 PM
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I'm going to handwave; If someone had what I felt was an outlandish number of partners, I might be taken aback. So, like, 100+ partners, I'd be a little wary. But, also if they had 0 partners and they were 30. I don't know exactly what that number is for each age, though; I have trouble judging it abstractly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 06:18 PM
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38, Male, no pill. No, I wouldn't be bothered. But, it seems I tend not to pick people who fuck around a lot. I believe you can be exclusive without talking about it, but it's fuzzy and definitely not black and white. As we get closer (in terms of what we share with each other, and how much time we spend together), the more I'll be upset by someone finding other booty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 06:14 PM
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Speaking as someone who has been assaulted as a child and somewhat recently. Do you think it's generally as damaging to the victim as the other way around (or any combination of genders for that matter)? Seems deeply incommensurate. Obviously there are physical aspects that are different (women tear, there's lots of damage that can be done in there, while men can have their dick injured). Psychologically, it's hard to guess. My assault as a child, I feel hardly anything about, but that was a lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:20 AM
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I've gone on record a number of times about how the people I cheated with in my marriage knew I was married. To my eternal shame, I fucked them. But, let's not kid ourselves, they were absolutely in on it. Not in a "maybe he's not married, maybe he's fooling me" way. In a "I don't believe in the sanctity of your marriage" way. This should not be construed to assign blame; I take full responsibility for it. But, if you wanna know if there are women who will fuck your man with a ring on his finger…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:07 AM
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It’s really not. It’s just acknowledging that our society has changed from previous generations, and the modes of communication and how we met people affect how we interact. I think we would be silly to believe everything would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 08:38 PM
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Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. However, I think you're applying microcosms to something that it could not possibly affect; TRP and FDS are tiny, tiny subcultures when you think about the vast currents of human behaviour in terms of dating. The vast majority of people have never even heard of these subcultures. There is something much more substantial at work, and I would venture that TRP and FDS are symptoms, rather than causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 06:28 PM
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Could this dynamic be applied to men as well? If men reach their peak around 30 - 35 years of age, could it be true that before this period men give away committment too easily, and when they reach higher confidence and success in life they suddendly decide they should take advantage of their higher SMV and just live the bachelor's life? Honestly, I think it has more to do with declining sex drive. With the caveat that I'm a divorcee, the older I get, the less interested I find myself in a roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:42 PM
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If men only cared about sex, we'd be hiring prostitutes a lot more. But, we're not, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:32 PM
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I don't think it's as strict a divide as you're making it. Obviously, if two people are identical, the richer of the two will be more 'attractive', or more likely to be able to pair up sooner. If the question is, 'do I want to be settled for because I have money?', the answer is 'no', and I will (if I'm ever especially well-off), take pains to hide my wealth. I would much rather be alone than be someone's cash siphon. All that said, I've had plenty of partners while being basically poor, so, I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 04:27 PM
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Thing is, guys (at least on reddit) do say things like state-distributed girlfriends, removing women’s rights, etc. and while I’m sure they are the minority, those are the comments I (and I’m willing to be most women) remember the most when I think about this subject. The internet is a space for irony and Poe's law, and I wonder how many of them aren't just trolling or, if you sat down with them and walked them through the logical consequences of their position, if they would really be in favour…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:03 PM
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Of course tf not. Because no one is entitled to or owed anything. There is a very good read about what might be meant when someone says 'things seem to be unfair' without it meaning 'and therefore I am owed at least one sex'. 'Entitlement' is a strawman; it's a way for someone -- when confronted with the ugly realities about fucking awful-yet-somehow-attractive men -- to defuse any kind of debate by suggesting that the person complaining is willing to violate a principle tenet of ethics: bodily …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:07 PM
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...But heterosexual attraction isn't? No, it's also nuanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 08:04 PM
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It's a common mistake, but I find it really funny, every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 07:57 PM
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deep seeded problems It's supposed to be 'deep seated'. Deep Seeded is something different ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 07:27 PM
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What a capital solution. I really wish there was a way to make this happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 07:01 PM
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Full disclosure: I cheated towards the end of my marriage; the women I slept with knew I was married, and did not seem to have much of a problem with it. I was caught (red handed, or, rather dick-wet?), but it didn't immediately precipitate the end of my marriage, and we soldiered on for another couple of years. Would not do again, would not recommend. Explain why, for both genders, why one is worse than the other. Neither is worse. They're both really bad! Bonus question: When is it ok to cheat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 06:54 PM
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... he would apparently want to fuck most or all of his female and male friends. I'm just going to throw this out there: bisexual attraction is more nuanced than "is a person" People still have a 'type' they like, and not everyone is in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 06:42 PM
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To me it is much more about shape. Right? Hips and waist in a heart shape, got some cushion for the pushin', but not too much or it's a marshmallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 06:17 PM
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I don't know why women keep denying they want decently built men. Some legit don't. I know some chubby chasers. Also, they never ask permission lmao Things that would be sex assault for men is often garden variety behaviour for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 06:16 PM
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With that being said, as far as core fundamentals of TRP went, there is nothing there that would make you perceived as less attractive than you already are. TRP ultimately preached 3 fundamental things: Lose body fat and lift weights increase wealth increase social reach and networks It's not that this isn't good advice, it's how they arrive there. This could be common sense, even though it doesn't seem to be. TRP gets a bad rap because they're absolutely sure that women operate in exactly one k…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 06:14 PM
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Certainly. I think some people prefer chunkier partners. But, if I had to guess at demographics from just my own experience, the majority of people are looking for fit partners. It has been orders of magnitude easier to get dates and sexual attention once I was less fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:59 PM
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TRP is probably wrong about a lot of things. Js.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:54 PM
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It might say something about their socioeconomic status. For me, it's shape, rather than size (and that typically means smaller, but damn, if those really jacked/muscular women could get into my DMs).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:52 PM
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Oh, of that, I have zero doubts. People are shallow, this isn't a women or men only thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:48 PM
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Idk. Maybe unrelated anecdote (because it's not about admission of shallowness), but... I used to be a fat guy, and now that I'm thin/muscular, I'm treated very differently. On my last date, the person I was out with felt up my bicep. That literally never happened when I was chunkier. Not saying she's shallow, but, I'd be kidding myself to say it wasn't different from before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:44 PM
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I think a lot of people need to adjust their expectations. I do not believe for a second that you either get a) a Perfect Spouse™ or b) settle-for-starfish-sex-and-shitty-marriage-until-woman-leaves-with-half-the-stuff. There is some radical space in the middle where you settle with someone, and you grow together. I think the laws need a bit of adjustment to treat people more fairly, but, I don't think there's any reason in principle why people can't settle and cooperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 02:32 PM
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Almost every time, lmao. There are exceptions (like someone I met through a real life connection, and it was logistically awkward to split the bill, or the time I went out with someone who wanted to split the bill, but it was clearly damaging their ability to enjoy the date), but not many. First, I heard we're all equal now, so, I shouldn't need to shore up some economic inequality. Second, no one is such hot shit that I'm going to pay to have their attention. They should just as likely have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:34 AM
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It's a factor. I grew up in the 80s when diagnosis was still spotty. I had my first psych eval at 8, and the transcript (which I still have) is very textbook Aspergers. I had a lot of trouble with most contexts of human interaction and had my first girlfriend at ~23. Not gonna sugar coat it, it will probably count against you in the eyes of potential romantic partners, but it's far from the only factor that's at work. The good news is, many people with ASD seem develop out of it. Since my divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:27 AM
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What men want: Be top tier enough to fuck multiple women What women want: be able to lock down a top tier man Don't take this the wrong way, but, there is a very, very easy solution: Adjust your wants. Men who can't seem to make it in the 'what men want' category? MGTOW. Women who can't seem to make it in 'what women want' cat ladies, careers, whatever. There are lots of women happy with so-called mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:14 AM
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Yeah, I mean, I don't think this is limited to one gender or another. I think a lot of people grew up isolated with helicopter parents or undiagnosed spectrum disorders and now just kind of do badly in life, because someone who presents as more well-adjusted is always a swipe away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:09 AM
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But it changes you. It definitely and conclusively does. There's research that shows that dehumanizing language strongly influences how people treat others.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 04:09 AM
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Well... what I am proposing is the life of less misery. Are you? How's your little bro doing, believing his 166cm height is the only deciding factor in whether he can find a mate? What exactly are you proposing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 06:08 PM
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Almost every guy I know who is single doesn't have their shit together and is suffering under a huge number of other problems. The ones who have themselves in line hardly even have to go looking. These guys aren't towering gym-beasts, either; some of them have never touched a weight in their life, and are pretty fat. You don't even have to have 'made it'. You just have to be 'making progress'. Honestly, the bar is really low for most normies out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 06:04 PM
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Look, if your position is that "we have problems that can't be fixed" I have nothing for you. I choose to believe my problems can be fixed, because it's better to do that than be resigned to a life of misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 06:00 PM
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I really like your post. It's very heartfelt, and has a lot of empathy for everyone involved. You're offering pity to the people who have entered a dating strategy paradigm, but, I think they had the choice of not making that bed even if they never subscribe to the brand altruism you're representing, here. We need to first be empathetic towards one another. This is a prisoner's dilemma. Empathy is reciprocal, and realistically, the first person to offer it is in for a world of hurt. We are natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:56 PM
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... what made you think those are NOT the features that make them unhappy? I think that for someone to be really unhappy, lots of things in their life have to be going wrong (or they have clinical depression). If you fix a few of the other things first, a problem getting dates will solve itself. TRP preaches that you should lift, work on yourself, etc., and occasionally, TRP mentions that if you're doing this to get women, you're kind of doing it wrong and that you should be doing it for yoursel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:44 PM
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Sometimes, people who are unhappy attribute that unhappiness to being lonely or lack of sex, etc. I think it's a (poor) way of communicating the idea is that you should try and identify the features in your life that make you unhappy, and fix them. The underlying premise is that the feature of your life that makes you unhappy is not loneliness and something else instead, and that finding yourself in a relationship or someone's bed won't cure that unhappiness. People who are happy tend to be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:53 PM
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What is the alternative to love and intimacy? Lots seem to go with owning dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:40 PM
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Sounds like you’re both emotionally reactive. Maybe. I'm not going to pretend I'm a paragon of rationality. But, I'd point out that the devil's in the details; the deterioration of my marriage was over a decade. If I was especially emotionally reactive, we wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of years. Did you not know this about her before you got married? I guess I thought she'd grow tf up at some point. Did you try learning relationship skills and changing the way you dealt with her instea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:17 PM
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Why did you choose to initiate the divorce? Because my life with my partner sucked. And it was mostly because of my partner. I was tired of having to pick up after them and do everything around the house, and have a demanding job so she could incinerate the wealth I was trying to build and put towards our mortgage. Did you think it would be easier than it was? In some respect, yes. The actual "We're not doing this anymore" statement was kind of easy. Everything after was hard. I was blindsided w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 03:11 PM
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I’m imagining you pulling out a knife, getting upset that it’s not sharp enough and berating your wife. After years of this she probably just ignored you and didn’t give a shit about the knives BECAUSE you were such an asshole about it. This is a mischaracterization. I never yelled at her for it. I asked, politely for her to clean and put away knives she used. It's not rocket science. I'm just calmly asking a grown-ass adult to not be a complete slob. Also, it was never in the knife block; she'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 02:37 PM
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Not my downvotes. Maybe it’s because you don’t have a point? In the context of ‘Generic you’, your comments are non-sequiturs. The question is “How do you feel about marriage?” and all you seem to be able to write is “THOSE ARE THE RULES, SUCKA!” So what? We said, comments and comments ago that we didn’t want to engage in those rules. Do you have something substantial to add? It honestly sounds like you’re trolling and I’m trying to be charitable, but you’re not making it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:21 AM
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Yep. I shoulda. If there’s a second time, I will. I gotta ask, though, wtf is your point here? This whole conversation is about how we feel about marriage and you’re here saying I should have picked better. How does that bear on ANYTHING in this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 12:57 AM
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I wouldn’t start a business with someone who isn’t putting in the same effort. Kinda like a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 12:44 AM
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Male. First, things that are difficult to square in your premises (or have wider implications than you might have thought): Imagine that these robots are verbally intelligent, and indistinguishable from humans both in look and in feel <and other points to make the robot as humanlike as possible> It's hard to call a thing a robot when it's indistinguishable from human. When you write that it will pass any Turing test, we're talking about a robot that's going to have a many-year long memory; human…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:54 PM
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I mean, I'm pretty sure that we are all in love with GLaDOS, and she definitely doesn't pass as human. jfc I thought I was the only one
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:38 PM
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Well said. The dishes (ahem, knives) cut both ways. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4u8o6q/she_divorced_me_because_i_left_dishes_by_the_sink/ Definitely an interesting read. There is a key difference though: I did not expect my ex to read my mind. I made very clear the things I found upsetting, and it did not cost me any 'mental load' to do that. She just would never bother. Everything else fits to a tee, and knives weren't the thing that broke the back (severed the spine?) of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:33 PM
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I find it moderately horrifying that this is a recognizable acronym that can be preceded by the word 'standard'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:57 PM
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It seems like men, unlike women they just don't entertain the idea of men and women being friends. And I want you to explain why. I think we (men) do entertain it. But, I also think that men are generally dtf or could go for something more if it was ever on offer. Also, men can't stand staying the friendzone, why is that? Unrequited feels are painful. It's not an obligation to remain friends with someone after you've established that there's never going to be more. For my situation in particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:10 PM
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Add in ... a divorce and the emotional impact is severe enough he'd contemplate ending it with a bottle in the one hand and a revolver in the other. Tbh, I was real close. It did not help that 6 months after I ended my marriage, I got laid off from my job. It turns out that men do real bad, post-separation/divorce and are more than ten (fucking 10) times more likely to kill themselves than the woman they parted from and 2.4 times more likely to kill themselves than Joe Average dude out there. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:58 PM
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Have you considered that divorce isn’t a random probability. It’s something that two people (or one person) chooses. The actions and decisions and beliefs affect whether or not you choose to get divorced. Of course I have. I chose divorce in my marriage because it was untenable to continue, and it was after a decade of trying to make it work. Divorce is awful, but sometimes staying married is worse. but it’s still a choice in the end. This is insanely reductionist. "Why not just stay married?" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:21 PM
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Good questions. I think in some overarching sense: Yes, marriage/partnership is clearly superior to forever-singledom. The problem is a feast-or-famine one: Either it's like you won the lottery, or it's like you lost everything. I think it's absolutely reasonable that many people just decide that they'll settle for no great gain while risking no great loss. But isn't there a difference between need and want? Why is one seen a lesser than the other? There... might be. I guess it's possible I coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 02:49 PM
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Okay, let's say the attractiveness distribution is perceived to be even (like the men rate women in the same studies). Is it just that some huge number of more-attractive-than-average men just don't use online dating? Wouldn't that be a weird phenomenon? It might be a lot more about familiarity than anything else. This is probably closest to the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:23 AM
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Divorced. Somewhere in the middle-pill. Either, I hope they're my best friend, or they're tolerant when I spend time with my best friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:17 AM
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Men, how do you feel about marriage? Let me chime in as a divorcee: With the wrong person, it sucks. It also may have outlived its societal usefulness. If we were back in 1950s society would you be more inclined towards marriage? Probably not. Men in the 1950s were at the maximum historical risk for heart disease and this has been attributed to the culture of male duty/responsibility by some (like Barbara Ehrenreich). I would venture it was sugar intake, but, it honestly sounds like such a bum d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:10 AM
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Yet, pickiness makes women attractive. I don't think men are a monolith here; some men believe that a woman who acts like an exclusive prize de facto is one. The people in FDS sure believe that. Anyone who believes lower N-count is categorically better than higher N-count kind of believes it, too. I do not. Pickiness just means you're going to find fault with whatever, and realistically, I ain't got time for that. Essentially, pickiness ends up translating to in-relationship bitchiness. The only…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:54 AM
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Men are taught 'be yourself', but, they aren't really taught what that means. 'Be yourself' means that you shouldn't be ashamed of your hobbies, or that you need to make no apologies about things you enjoy. It does not mean 'amount to nothing', or 'don't take care of yourself'. The reality check bounces pretty fast. Men never get prizes just for showing up, and anyone who says that male privilege means that they do has no idea what it's like to walk around in men's shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:50 AM
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It's unclear what you're asking, but... If you mean 'entitlement' as 'having a feeling of being owed something', I would venture that well-adjusted men feel the least amount of that. That's part of being well-adjusted, I think. If you mean 'entitlement' as an actual 'being owed something', no, no one is entitled to anything, no matter how well adjusted they are. So, my answer would be "No".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:26 PM
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Is it really high standards or are many dudes not as “average” as we think? The study that rated men concluded that "Women rated 80% of men as worse looking than average." There's an important set of words in there. The statement itself is nonsensical; that means an individual woman participant in this data set, unless they were forced to rate men in a particular order of most attractive to least, would simply find that 80% of her sample pool was less attractive than 'average'. Basically, it dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:22 PM
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I disagree with your premise that women are the only ones expected to stay slim. Dad bods are not, and have never been in style. Further, it is well documented that one of the first thing TRP tells people is to lift weights and have a good body.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:43 PM
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No, I don't believe it. Lots of women are out there to just to fuck. And honestly, having sex is probably one of the only ways to get me to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:40 PM
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Facts are facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:38 PM
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People change over time. The person you married 20 years ago isn't the same, and maybe you grew in different directions. I think one of the primary reasons people divorce is because of conflicts that exist in most marriages, and because they can afford to. Millennials divorce less than boomers. In fact, Boomers divorce more than any other demographic. So, I think a huge proportion of people just naturally divorce, and the only thing that holds back many demographics is the resulting poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:35 PM
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to make it fair. you have to pay for her tests Many of your comments hinge on the idea that she has something that can't be gotten elsewhere. There are lot women who split the bill, pay for their own STI tests and are still willing to fuck. Whoever is asking me to pay for her STI tests isn't THAT special.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:29 PM
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Nah. There are women I genuinely like for the people they are. I think saying that women are good only for fucking is reductionist. Many of them have good qualities. Exceedingly generous praise, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:02 AM
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Splitting the bill is the ultimate respect for women: You're treating them as an equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:10 PM
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Wayback machine will archive anything. This one is archived to circumvent a paywall 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 10:30 PM
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See, this is the kind of attitude I'd expect a reasonable person to have. "Got fooled once, seemed like it was too good to be true. It was. Story's over." It's the people who get duped over and over, for years and years that blow me away. The OP is defending this idea, too, and it just seems so counter to any measure of rationality that I not only don't get it, I can't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:08 PM
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Half of being duped is being open to it. There's a certain kind of person that gets into a cult, MLM or pyramid scheme. But, very few people accept the same con over and over (the people who do usually meet the profile for gambling addiction). I'm a pretty gullible person, but, even I don't get it when women complain about their latest string-along-ghosting when it's happened to them N times before over years and years without breaks. And it happens all the fucking time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:54 PM
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Many women refuse any and every responsibility There's a thread in modern discourse that I kind of hate. That 'precautions' don't exist, and any suggestion that people should have taken precautions after any bad outcome is tantamount to victim-blaming. Lock your doors. Be wary in rough neighbourhoods. Drink within your limit. Yes, there are thieves, yes, there are rapists, yes, there are total scumbags who are going to take advantage of you, and they absolutely should be crucified. But, if one w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:10 PM
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And the fat part is like, a bonus half the time. Lots of overweight women get laid, are in relationships, and get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 03:34 PM
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I think it'd be pretty silly to expect someone sexually inexperienced to provide all the degenerate sex acts you'd want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 03:33 PM
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Exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 03:15 PM
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Naive yes, but she’s not as delusional as is commonly thought. Delusion is just naivete, but more. Take this pretty ridiculous -- and recently published -- case. Woman gets fucked by married man (who also happens to be her boss) for 20 years, and when his wife FINALLY dies of cancer, he ghosts her. Are you really going to tell me that her expectation that they might get together was reasonable? That he was so convincing for TWENTY (two-fucking-zero) years? I'm absolutely sympathetic to the idea …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 02:15 PM
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This seems less like revenge than straight up malevolence. Malevolence requires agency. If you're not getting your hands dirty, you're just a bystander watching misfortune. IMO it's shadenfreude, and masquerades as justice for people bitter from rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:36 AM
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You keep using examples of men dating online and being unsuccessful, I literally just posted how 2 out of 5 relationships originate online, and that ... sounds like there's some measure of success there. if that's not working for you, Whoa, we need to slow down here. This isn't about me, I was discussing global non-personal phenomenon. I do just fine in online dating. I'm not 'chad', but I'm not some incel, either. We aren't talking about the people in relationships having sex we are talking abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:38 PM
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In Western civilization, traps are of our own making. I could have left at any time, and at no point during my more-than-dozen-year-marriage was I held against my will or under any considerable duress. I just wanted it to work because I believed in love and all that malarky. And maybe I still do, but I'm wary of choosing badly again. Being ugly and then also being a major fuckboy? That ain't happening. Well, I'm fortunate to not be gorgon-level hideous, and I like to think I'm kind of nice these…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:06 PM
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It's why dick has no real value. I would have trouble arguing against that statement, but I think it's reductionist to state that men are nothing but their dicks. I mean, that's why we're not allowed to call women 'cunts' anymore, right? Further, obviously not all dicks are created equal if 25% of the men are getting all the online messages. Dicks may have no real value, but clearly some dicks have some value (or the non-dick features of message recipients are considerably more compelling). Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:56 PM
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It often creates a belief in a man's mind that if the next woman want to wait awhile before she has sex with him, In some of my other posts on this sub, I wrote about having a psychotic breakdown, acting like a dick, and cheating. I know there are plenty of women who won't make me wait, or even wait for me to be unattached. I have regrets, but that's neither here nor there. So, now when someone wants to make me wait, I call it by its real name: a dealbreaker. Meanwhile, she just values sex more …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:40 PM
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Lawl “Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten.” Definitely not saying women are solely to blame. But, men messaging 33% of the population is better (if only marginally) than women messaging 25% of men. Edit: I'm underselling your point. I will adjust my point of view to "People are too picky."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:39 PM
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AGAIN, STOP DATING ONLINE PLEASE. In 2017, 39% of heterosexual couples reported meeting their partner online. This trended sharply upwards from 22% in 2008. Bear in mind that's relationships; since it takes the same number of new encounters or more, that means that even more than 40% of the dating pool is looking for love online (or that non-online ways of meeting people are somehow even less successful than online dating). Almost 40% of all American relationships, if that number is an accurate …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:36 PM
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Your wife didn't teach you? Or was she also inexperienced? She was frigid, and refused to acknowledge it. To boot, she also refused to let me sleep with anyone else. Recipe for disaster, let me tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:28 PM
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Then all that porn use has a high chance of leading to death grip or early onset erectile dysfunction. It's a vicious cycle. There are no good outcomes in this. For a long time, I only had one sex partner (married young, divorced), and I was pretty bad at sex until I met someone willing to be patient with me. Imagine learning how to fuck properly later in life :( And I'll bet that most men don't even get that awkward chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:13 PM
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Biological imperative. It's self-reinforcing, genetically; the would-be ancestors who didn't like to fuck didn't fuck too much and got bred out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 07:58 PM
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I wouldn't suggest that the anger is universal. Obviously there's a lot of rage in incel, redpill, and mgtow circles. Despair, too. But, I think a lot of men feel a kind of inspiration. Consider that there's this tiny subset of men that send the the most coarse messages on Tinder and not only get responses, but get favourable responses. If I could get into that club, imagine the fun I could have! So, I work out a lot more now. I try to take care of myself. I think all this hardship and inequalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 07:51 PM
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Very good points about the self-reinforcing nature of it. That kind of struck me when the thread about risk came up, and the OP suggested they'd risk unwanted pregnancy and STDs with Chad because the sex would be worth it, because Chads get laid more often. What a wild ride that was. So many women are being way to picky (to the point where they pick nobody). I'm sure many of them pick somebody, but don't realize that they are not the first pick of the person they're courting (who is likely just …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 07:04 PM
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Rise of Sexlessness I would wager that it's men leading the charge. Just thinking about it intuitively: when it comes to sex, men aren't picky, and men will have it if they can the vast majority of the time. Men aren't suddenly not interested in fucking, let me tell you that up front. Edit: People are just too picky. My own sources show both sexes pining for the same tiny subset of the sexes who could not possibly service that many people within the confines of monogamy or even practical biology…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:50 PM
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96% of male on female rape goes unreported and unrecorded I wonder how they got that stat if it's unreported/unrecorded. Or what counts as 'reported' or 'recorded'. I'm not saying it's not the case. I'm just wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:07 PM
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FDS doesn't care about sex nor have any interest in it, their goal is men who also don't want it, yet enjoy paying women's bills. That's the ultimate HVM. I don't think this is true. FDS is FULL of posts about how they need good dick. I think sex just not a big priority for them, and that money, attention/validation/servitude are their primary motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:26 PM
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Hot sex. Believe it or not, people are more than the sum of their tiddies and arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:23 PM
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I cant relate because it just sounds like y'all are talking about hookers. Well, I mean. I'm trying to posit why women slut-shame other women. I didn't say slut-shaming was reasonable. Once you accept the premise that sex is something men want and are willing to take pains to get, it follows that women (if they can cooperate) should act like a consortium or cartel to restrict supply. But, that premise is either false or at least flawed. Why do you think women slut-shame other women? Also cant re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:17 PM
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I think they do, and here's why: As much as I hate applying economics to relationships, I think supply/demand analyses apply here. If some women are just handing out sex, it devalues the act. Sex is all some women have on offer. I'm agnostic about the reasons, but, women aren't often into the same things men are. Check out gaming circles, or anything geek/nerd related. It would not surprise me at all the women who were the most femme and had the least in common with the typical man were the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:19 AM
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Considering feminist writers and content creators are also on patreon and gamergaters coined 'victimbux' to describe the practice, I find it a bit disappointing. It's hypocritical, but who the fuck cares; we're all trying to get by.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:42 AM
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It's not, it's just disappointing. Also, stereotypical Chad is typically not available, and that doesn't stop the pining and trying to snatch them from relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:15 AM
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I think the hidden premise here is that you have to be married in order to be happy. Traditional marriages, depending on the tradition, work for some people and not for others. I mean men want primarily sex and loyalty and thats it.but they also want to be loved. If this were true, why would anyone stay married after their libido drops when they're 50? Obviously not true. the current neocon and progressive forms of marriage result in general divorce,insecurity for men and no happiness. I believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:08 PM
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I don't think there's any one-size-fits-all characterization of women with this one data point. IME, some of them are 'not-like-other-girls'-tomboys, and others are flirty-but-attached and just happen to find themselves in male oriented spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 02:53 PM
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I think for 80% of men, I would just say "There's a group of people who are offering potential solutions to your problems, and will probably not call you entitled, misogynistic, or trash." The big problem with BPs/SJWs is that they eat their own without offering any solutions. Prime example: Can't seem to get a date? "What makes you think you are owed a date? You're acting entitled." Nowhere in there is a recipe for you to solve your problems, or make yourself more attractive, or whatever. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:39 PM
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Eh. I can't say that I agree.* I'm pretty centrist about a lot of these issues, leaning RP, and put out a fair of not-RP material in my comments (NAWALT material, women can be attractive after 40, etc.). My BP comments get just as many upvotes as my RP comments. I think more than anything, I try and back up my claims with studies or articles. My post history indicates that I only post in Red-leaning circles, but, that's because I have (other) throwaways for BP subs where they automatically ban y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:23 PM
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Snooping through someone's things Ehhhhh. This can be gray, IMO. On the one hand, it's not like exhaustively searching their closets looking for skeletons, because these things are close to the surface (for ease of access). It would be just as easy to see the meds left out in the open, or if you were looking for something trivial like a bandaid. If they're in their own cabinet and you have no reason to be there, you're prying. Herpes It's on the guy for not disclosing. That you found out through…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:14 PM
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I spent some time to think about this. Men (of course) don't want to be beta. But, inevitably, some will be. I don't want to be some safe option, and settled for. Realistically though, maybe I will end up being settled for. That said, I don't want to be treated like I'm settled for. I guess, I think there's a hidden premise in the OP that I disagree with; that women in general find only one type of person attractive, and that they treat everyone else with disdain. That said, I stand by my point:…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:42 AM
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There isn't some universal cutoff. There are some women who age very well, because they take care of themselves, and others who age badly, because they treat their bodies like shit. Some people are never going to look good old, though; it's a roll of the dice. Personally, I've found plenty of women up to around 45 sexually attractive, but those people are few and far between. I would also venture that some of it is generational. When I was growing up, it was really rare to see a ripped or jacked…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:33 AM
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I don't understand the premise of your original post. You believe fuckboys are low-value men. So what? You're probably even right, because the way you've described them, it doesn't sound like they're especially good for you. But, that's like saying 'water is wet'. So what? This isn't news to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 02:42 AM
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I've been asked my N-count once ever, and I honestly couldn't remember. The period in my life where I had a bunch of different partners is a blur of drugs and just blank memory space. I don't think I'm embarrassed of the neighbourhood my N-count is in, and I'm not the sort of person who judges how much someone has fucked (though, like, get tested and be safe, folks; there's a difference between fucking a lot, and fucking unsafely).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:34 PM
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Most men are so starved for positive interaction that any compliment is viewed as interest. Women are not, generally, all that nice to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:21 PM
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I guess I'd rather be low-value then? Even if you reason that fuckboys aren't worth your time, lots of other women act in exactly the opposite way. What's your point, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:53 PM
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Dude, it’s satire.
/r/MGTOW16/02/20 04:25 PM
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It's a little bit of both. Women are picky af, and despite a culture that continually produces noise about the glass ceiling, we get headlines like this one: Lack of 'Economically-attractive' men to blame for declining marriage rates But, the truth of the matter is that marriage rates have been declining since the dawn of the boomers. In the 80s, feminist Barbara Ehrenreich penned The Hearts of Men wherein she details the decade-by-decade decline in marriage as being led by men: As the tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:48 AM
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oversaturation of men So, are you trying to tell me there are more men than women in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:34 AM
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Do you believe that they should put their desires/lack thereof aside? Yes. Men do all the time; we're not all partnered up with heartthrobs and models. Be realistic about your options. I'm not saying, settle for any old dorkwad. But, maybe settle for Mr. Good-enough instead of pining for Mr. Right forever. There is a fair amount of internet ink spilled over women waiting too long and wanting too much, only to end up with nothing, and there is (non-mainstream) media about how some men never have …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 05:56 PM
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Crying into my cocktails, listening to Heart's greatest hits, and feeling sorry for myself and my life choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 03:02 AM
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Zero things. I gave everything into my marriage. I bled dry for it, and I'm a withered husk from it. Sometimes, your best isn't good enough, and it's probably a good thing to keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:05 AM
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In which context? In TRP, it's clear: You're obviously supposed to do things before you 'deserve' any kind of attention. Lift, get rich, be the best. Until then you're invisible. They even use that phraseology; women find Low-value men 'invisible'. In BP or SJW circles, take a gander at any interaction between incels and women. Incels feel entitled to women's attention, and a core tenet of the response from SJWs is (rightfully) that no man is entitled to anyone's attention, and that you don't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:00 AM
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It's inferred from anyone who says "She's not yours, it's just your turn." Also, there's tons of trp messaging that says you don't get prizes for just showing up. That you have to be your best; have social proof, have wealth, lift, and hold frame. TRP absolutely holds the mindset that you don't get any of the good stuff unless you work for it. The 'good stuff' in trp is getting laid. That's necessarily provided by another person. They don't 'owe' you anything; all you can do is be your best and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:57 AM
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No one owes you anything. -- Kind of from both sides. From BP, it's that you are not owed attention or anything else from women, and any expectation belies some kind of unjustified entitlement. From RP, it's that if you're a man, no one gives a shit about you. Lots of men's rights hinges on this; men are just kind of disposable. Most of all, though, it's important to remember that it's reciprocal: You don't owe anything to anyone else, either, (i.e. simping, orbiting, etc.), concessions because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 06:22 PM
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Newer research suggests that the link between testosterone levels and aggression is absolutely present: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ I would agree with your title if it said "increasing testosterone in testosterone-saturated individuals does not appear to cause increased aggression".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 04:17 PM
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I meant it less as an analogy, and more as a prima facie argument about presentation. I don't think anyone can argue in good faith that the same thing would be equally desirable in worse packaging. If the argument is that people really care about hearts and minds, then improving the window dressing can only help them get to your heart/mind. If you agree that people don't care about hearts and minds, then there is only window dressing. The whole point is that I'm being reductionist about attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:56 PM
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You would if it is sold cheaper and you can change it. It is a general practice in real estate that the seller polishes up minor defects, commonly called 'staging'. It would not be a surprise if staging resulted in higher sale prices, and that's why it's almost universally practiced. I think the fundamental disanalogy here is that a) you wouldn't sell yourself for cheaper, b) that weightlifting and taking care of yourself has a myriad of other good effects on your life, and c) that people aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:38 PM
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Okay, let’s say you’re right. I’m not going to be Prince. I don’t have that charisma or panache. But, I can be Jason Momoa-like with enough heavy objects. I’m on the way there as we post. I have my own personality, and I would venture that it’s not tremendously ugly. You wouldn’t buy a house that was ugly from the front. There are different ways to be good looking, but, exactly one way is accessible to the general public.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:47 AM
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Nah. I think, eventually, you give up on things like that. As reality sets in, things that are out of reach just kind of fade away.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:25 AM
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There's data to suggest that it's as real as anything: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19350760 And, the inverse is also true; for every IQ point above the mean, the number of sexual partners you has drops: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php From my own experience, I've spent the vast majority of my life as a 'nice' guy. Towards the end of my marriage, I had a minor psychotic break, and acted like a dick to a lot of people, including my ex-partner. It got me la…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:21 AM
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Which leads to the biggest complaint about gay guys about bi men Gay guys want more meat and more allies. They want to be more mainstream. Society doesn't care about men, but it cares about men who aren't useful to women even less. Which is what many and I would even hazard to say most bi guys do. Idk about you, but I grew up in the 80s and 90s where being anything but straight would get your teeth kicked in. I vividly remember a clique of Christian girls in elementary school talking about how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:11 AM
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I don't have any data for this one, but in the leftist circles I've hung out in, many of them are just of the blanket mind "man bad". They can't even envision what a 'good' man is to them, and find fault with anyone they end up with. In the right-wing circles I've been in, most of them just can't find a man that's traditional enough. Eventually, they give up. I can't say much about centrists, except that they seem to be happiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:03 AM
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There is plenty of data to show that women are generally intolerant of bisexual men. OKcupid had published data (that has since been taken down, hmm, I wonder why) showing that two thirds of women would not date a bisexual man. Second, a survey conducted by Glamour with over 1,000 women showed that 63% of women would not date a man who fucked another man. https://www.glamour.com/story/glamour-sexuality-survey Third, if you think Glamour isn't legit, another survey, with 500 North Americans and 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:59 AM
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I mean, let’s be clear. I have regrets. I wish there were resources for people in the kind of distress I was in. I wish there wasn’t that confluence of circumstances, along with (no doubt in some huge measure) my own instability that caused that to happen. But, the people who aren’t the kind to have regrets in the first place? They’re living it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 03:50 PM
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pussy is overrated Honestly... it isn't. I really like getting my dick wet. I really do. The guys who absolutely don't touch women, I don't know how they do it. The best 'mgtow' I can imagine being is one with arms-length FWB relationships, or just having enough money to enjoy an escort semi-frequently. All they have to do is ignore women and live their best life it's not some impossible task That's not true. Lots of men have to work with women, or have to deal with them 'diversity' quotas. Have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 06:19 AM
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But if I’m being honest with myself, the biggest slayers I know never stepped foot in the gym (or did very little). Sure most of them have some natural tone but muscles? He must be really charismatic, then? Well, I have a newsflash for you: Most of us are not charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 06:05 AM
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Maybe you're not as nice as you think. I was a 'nice guy' for most of my life. Actually nice. Never overstepped anything. Absolutely respected women, made sure they felt and were safe if it was in my power to do so. Recently, a coworker set me up on a date with his friend/tenant, and you know my first thought was? That it might be unethical, because there could be an element of duress, and that my coworker had some measure of power over his tenant. A few years ago towards the end of my marriage,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 06:02 AM
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This one will never not warm my heart.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/02/20 05:48 AM
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I don’t know about that. I hug my friends regardless of gender. No one has ever said shit about it. I think men crave sex as a biological imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:56 PM
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TRP and similar would barely be a blip. Same with FDS. They are tiny, tiny subcultures that most people will never hear of, and I would venture that they are symptomatic outgrowths of a broad cultural decline in marriage. Marriage has been in decline for a very long time. Check out The Hearts of Men, by Barbara Ehrenreich. She posits that there have been loosening social pressures on men to get married/provide, and that response from men is to just ride it out and be free of those responsibiliti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:15 PM
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If you want to really get into it, MGTOW is filled with guys who have a black-and-white thinking. We're in agreement, here. Exactly. Black-and-white thinking. I would be asking "Why the divorce happen?" They looked into it and merely said "OMG! Women are dangerous!" As I said, none of this happens in a vacuum. For my part, I'm a divorcee (and I initiated my divorce). I think a lot of them have trouble with the system that makes the risk unpalatable. It's not even that marriages have 50% failure …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:37 PM
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This is why the MGTOW message of “Marriage doesnt benefit men” kind of falls on deaf ears. I think there's some nuance missing in the point of view you've presented. I think a lot of MGTOW people come from a place of fear. Absent any other details, the divorce rate is like 50%. Women initiate 70% of divorces. The problem is that it's not clear that it's a risk we should abide. Men feel like they have a) everything to lose (and we do, and it sucks), and b) that we don't have control over whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:58 PM
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Do you know anyone who you suspect could not forgive you for a belief you had about relationships? I think plenty of people I know would be upset if they found out I was an 'internet edgelord'. Just kind of passively believing that marriage is a trap (speaking as a divorcee), that as women get older, they seem to be more and more interested solely in what you can materially provide (speaking as a post-divorcee dater), or (relationship-adjacent) believing that men are categorically disadvantaged …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:26 PM
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I'll be honest, both these options sound goddamn awful. I've experienced #2 minus the hotness, and it sucks (and would not have been better if she was hotter; in fact, it might have been worse). #1 just sounds like a slave. The only saving grace is you have a sure-fire out where deciding to cheat is a guaranteed death. Tbh, I'm not even that picky on the hotness thing. I just want to be respected/considered, and have someone treat me as more than just an option (while they have a mind of their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:18 PM
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You're kidding, right? Are you positing that the decline in marriage rates and whatnot is a vast conspiracy created by low-value men who want women to believe they're the best they can do? That's absolutely ridiculous. Women are picky. Too picky. Consider the following widely-circulated article from the same culture that continually complains that women earn less than men: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/marriage-rates-decline-reason-economically-attractive-men-jobs-income-a90989…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:46 PM
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Here, have my upvote. I may be a little jaded as a divorcée. It also seems to me that the more people believe those things, the more true they are, and an awful lot of the people I’ve met believe them, quietly or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:38 PM
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"B" might be: providing emotional support , liking her as a person, providing comfort, being a good boyfriend From experience, this will NEVER get you laid. Quite the opposite, I think. If i'm getting this right , you want sex from girls without giving them anything of value in return and without any of the risks that guys who actually get laid have to take Ehhh. I think most of us wish we had more to offer. B is demonstrably worthless, and money/status is no guarantee that you can keep a woman.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:18 PM
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Which is why he is and will remain a virgin until he picks one of those other paths. Or, his suffering precipitates a radical personality change and instead of self-destructing, he just changes. But, probably the things you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:09 PM
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He's a proud Christian. He'd never do sex-for-money in explicit terms. Often they are not even ugly, they just have zero good experience and each failure they had in trying makes it harder for them next time. Well, and that's just it. Guys like him keep striking out, and it's not like you can ask for feedback. It's all floundering, unless you're willing to look at TRP or PUA material. And that will point you in a direction, but not necessarily the right one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 03:59 AM
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"Most of the time, especially if it becomes a regular thing." That very much implies the answer is "yes". Since it's unclear to you: Yes, most of the time I will feel connected/bonded to a woman I have slept with, especially if it becomes a regular thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:18 PM
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lmao, too unrealistic, just settle for bdsm like the rest of us
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:59 PM
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Most of the time, especially if it becomes a regular thing. A ONS I'll get over pretty quick. A fling for a couple of months will make me really sad for a lot longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:58 PM
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Um...no. Is that what you want? For women to ask you out? It'd be nice, but it's my understanding that women don't generally ask men out. LOL I know TONS of introverts, myself included, who have plenty of romantic success. I think you may be using the term introvert incorrectly. Introvert does not mean socially inpet. Is it hard for socially inept people? Sure. But I guess i wonder why this surprises people. If you want to have relationships you (generic you, don’t take this personally) have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:02 PM
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I mean, you don't have to fuck, right? There are other things in life...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:52 AM
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No, but it's the only factor that you can see before sampling that says something. The more attractive you are, the more sex you have and the more sex you have, the better you are. Practice and all. I mean, okay. It seems like there's a ton of room for error.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:37 AM
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Then why are you claiming it's true then? smh The data we have doesn't have to be personal experience. That's just silly. Of the men I know, I am among the most extroverted and outgoing. Among my single male friends, there is a very strong trend that they're introverted/shy. Correlation isn't causation, but, it's no secret that women seem to prefer confident and outgoing men. And there's a world of difference between being not shy and being a party animal. It's like you all can't see grey, serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:33 AM
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You're how old? This not true after college, trust me. Unless you're still chasing after the Stacy crowd. 38... It's not my problem; I'm divorced, I do just fine. I know a 40 year old virgin I went to highschool with. He's on the verge of offing himself. His standards aren't high, and he's a decent catch. He's just shy af.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:25 AM
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Birth control isn't 100% and the consequence to birth control failing is huge. That's going to be the case whether you're fucking Chad or fucking Joe Average. Is the reward difference between Chad and Joe Average so vast that one of them is worth the risk of pregnancy/abortion, and one isn't? Are you really telling me, on appearance alone, you can tell whether someone is going to be a 'crazy hot fuck' and worth the risk of going through an onerous medical procedure? I want to suggest to you that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:23 AM
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It's that joke about guys have to follow the three-six rule: six feet tall, six figure salary, six pack abs. But, among men, there's no equivalent joke for women. Women just have to show up. Others have put it better, but, we have to be our best to even have a shot at any female company. If you browse /r/tinder for any length of time, you'll come across guys who wonder if the app is broken because they never get any matches. Brass tacks, a monkey dances the following moves: Have a good to great …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:18 AM
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What's the implication, here? That if you fuck Joe Average, you're not going to get a slice of the Chad genes? Or, that Joe Average isn't going to be able to provide a great lifestyle for you (implying that Chad is even going to stick around)? Man, birth control exists. We are not peasants from a few hundred years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:11 AM
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I mean, I think those are just the risks. Filter out being a mistress? Sure. It'd be interesting to see what pans out from research on this sort of thing, but I don't think anyone is doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:02 PM
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How is dating someone who constantly needs sexual gratification not selecting for a cheater? And, so when the going gets tough, stick your dick in someone else? It may be an opportunity makes the thief sort of thing. Like, if you're dating someone and you wont' fuck them, and they really want to fuck, they might just cheat on you. And, I'm not saying it's your fault that they're a cheater; I'm saying that you're creating conditions in which they are more likely to cheat. And having sex by date 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:47 PM
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That sounds like its doing its intended goal: Showing off his true colors. What if the girl has to go out of town, having his baby, or too busy raising the kids to have a constant flow of sex? So when the going gets tough, stick your dick in someone else? I mean, that kind of implies that he's going to tell you. I think the point here is that by not putting out, you also have a chance for selecting for a cheater. Considering being cheated on or pump-and-dumped is a serious thing females are conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:35 PM
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OR it's an attempt to build up trust first. I guess? I mean, what if he's high-quality enough that he can get his dick wet elsewhere while waiting for you? Doesn't that make holding out for sex even less of a trust exercise? It seems weird you say humans are complex but you're implying men are after ONE THING. Isnt the pursuit of primal pleasure far more animalistic than asking for a guy to be interesting in something more than those primal urges? Okay, fair point. But, let me put it another way…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:21 PM
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We should have been hitting the gym all along, but somewhere along the way, we just decided it wasn't a priority. Hitting the gym is a good lifestyle choice. But, let me tell you as a former fat person: If you're fat, people treat you badly. They'll walk all over you. If you've got muscles, people treat you better. Fat activists are onto something with the idea that people are latently fatphobic, even if everything else they say is total bullshit. If you're fat, you will get discriminated agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:07 PM
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You'll absolutely lose high quality men by making them wait. The problem is that you're treating this dude in the same way you would if you were taking the first step in trying to train an animal: You hold out rewards for desired behaviour. Only, humans are (somewhat) more complicated than animals, and there are other women out there who are willing to put out and meet his needs/wants. If you're unwilling to meet his needs, why the hell would he stay?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:58 PM
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It really isn't. If it were, then Gymcels wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:55 PM
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I think there's a category mistake, here. Being a 'safe option' isn't prescriptive: It's descriptive. If you're that safe option everyone is talking about, it means you're being used for your extrinsic value, and probably not getting much from your partner. IME, if you're 'safe', you'll find more and more that you needs are secondary or not a priority at all. So, how does it feel? Without ever knowing that you're the 'safe option', and you're not having your needs met or your desires considered,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:54 PM
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Humans are, fundamentally, a cooperative species. We cooperated to bring down mammoths, to have agriculture, to form communities. This isn't really all that different; TRP (as an offshoot of pick-up artistry) cooperates to determine what strategies work, and what strategies don't. The idea that a single person has all the correct ideas about how to get with women is very suspect. Secondly, people love being part of hierarchies, especially if they're near the top. It's no mistake that a set of pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:48 PM
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"Just change your personality." That's way easier said than done. People's enduring personality traits don't generally change; it usually takes trauma, and then half the people self-destruct instead of change. Sometimes you think someone changed, but realistically, you probably just didn't know them as well as you thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:41 PM
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You can't throw a rock without hitting half a dozen of these women in some districts in large cities. I'm not sure they use reddit, though. Selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:38 AM
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If they are, it's men leading the charge. I don't believe there is less sex happening, but I do believe that fewer men today have sex than before dating apps hit the mainstream. The women who are inclined to have sex can do so with a fairly high-value man if there's no commitment involved. That leaves the vast majority of men out in the cold, because we're not all statuesque, rich, etc. The experiences of men not being able to approach in public, and dating apps being a meat market for the conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:09 AM
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I think you end up chasing an ideal. You want that fictionalized companion that's going to have your back, and be a partner in every sense of the word. But, then, when you have one, there's always this gulf between what's going on and the ideal. Once you kind of know how women generally work, you can't really trust them. I think there are women worth dating and partnering with. I also think they're so rare that it's probably not worth the trouble to find them.
/r/MGTOW28/10/19 04:09 AM
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Was nice of them to acknowledge all those ways men are hard done by. Not sure I agree with the whole tone of it, though. I mean, go on and be happy with or without men, idgaf, it's nothing to me.
/r/MGTOW28/10/19 04:01 AM
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More unrealistic body expectations smh
/r/MGTOW24/10/19 04:34 AM
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Because it's all women are good for. trp really is about not liking/caring for women, but still wanting to get your dick wet.
/r/MGTOW24/10/19 04:33 AM
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I'm sure the strong independent women can find a solution for this one.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/19 04:20 AM
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I showed the text to my friend, “he might not be what you want but he’s what you deserve.” No. You deserve nothing. Less than ashes. You can't pick a good one, despite being able to identify a good one, you don't get a good one. Fuck off. Also, yeah. Look at what she's saying. Looks like being nice isn't 'the bare minimum' for anything. It doesn't matter at all. Life is short, be a dick about it. To those guys I say, don’t change. Don’t do anything different than be exactly who you are. What abo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/19 04:13 AM
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"JuSt gO oUt AnD mAkE mOrE mOnEy!" Gosh, why didn't I think of that.
/r/MGTOW08/10/19 04:28 AM
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Effectively saying to men that are being abused, “You aren’t worthy of any help. The abuse that you are receiving is justified and it is your fault, because you are male.” This is only half correct. You don't have to be abused man for no institutions to care about you. The truth of it is, no one cares about men, regardless of their circumstances. If you're battered, no one cares. If you're homeless, no one cares. If you're mentally ill, no one cares. You die on the job, no one cares. There is no…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre06/10/19 05:00 AM
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5 Continue to complain about the wage gap, though.
/r/MGTOW08/09/19 05:34 AM
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Are these the same people who are complaining about the wage gap, still? The one where women earn less than men. Ok.
/r/MGTOW07/09/19 04:42 AM
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Just let them believe it. It's easier for everyone.
/r/MGTOW30/08/19 04:18 AM
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Yes. A close friend. Some guys, are gonna post ‘bet she fucks around’, etc., but I don’t think so. She’s loyal, doesn’t sleep around, doesn’t do relationships for shorter than a few years. Smart. But, doesn’t appreciate feminism, and acknowledges that women have privilege, and that there is some logic in not exploiting that privilege. I don’t think she’s virtue signalling, either. Her long-time partner has lost significant SMV and she is very into helping him out and sticking with him. Of course…
/r/MGTOW29/08/19 02:32 AM
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In otherwords, this is not self-awareness. This is self-pity. Definitely. Tbh, I’m not sure this story has a happy ending. If she stayed with him, would she have been happy with his career trajectory? After all that, would she just be some bitter hag who wrote to the daily mail complaining of her husband of 20 years that robbed her of her best years of her life and any chance she had with Chad? This is exactly the kind of woman who complains about having ‘settled’ for less than she ‘deserved’.
/r/MGTOW29/08/19 02:20 AM
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The only opposing views I’ve ever read (and I hang out in a lot of lefty/feminist circles) are ad hominem attacks or claims that MGTOW is a hate group. Neither are really all that true. We gripe about women, but, actioned hatred is usually incel territory. I have never even heard of a cogent rebuttal to “marriage and relationships do not favour men at all”. Which is all MGTOW is.
/r/MGTOW29/08/19 12:26 AM
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You’re not wrong. It’s because, overwhelmingly, religions and societies require more of men. Religious society is like New Game+. You have all the requirements of secular society, but then there’s these additional expectations. Money (tithing), mate selection (insular civil society), and expected moral behaviour. I’m honestly surprised more people don’t just shed the extra obligation. It’s a lot like not marrying with current divorce/custody laws (we do not accept offers that are very stacked ag…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/08/19 09:39 PM
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Living here counts! You can still do the carpet or wall-hanging thing. I'm not a carpet person myself, but I could have a vertical banner or two on my wall.
/r/MGTOW18/08/19 11:02 PM
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Women can be pretty cool. They're individuals just like men. We should judge people on an individual level, not as a whole. GYOW is cool but remember to respect not only women but everyone There are ~125k subs here. I think you could have a greater impact if you went to the much larger subs and social media groups that casually say "men are trash" and other nonsense, and you posted the same kind of message, where you say men are worthy of respect, too. Let us know how it goes, ok?
/r/MGTOW18/08/19 05:52 PM
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Yeah. Not fair game, here. Children develop differently, but, this is reliable and reproducable with all but the most developmentally accelerated 4 year olds.
/r/MGTOW18/08/19 05:48 PM
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Rather than most men being MGTOW, I think you'll have a set of relationship deadlocks where most people can't or won't get into a decent relationship. You'll have one set of people go MGTOW, one set being players, and a set of people who cannot get into relationships because they don't meet standards while having too high standards of their own. I think it's already happening in some demographics (women in their 30s and 40s), but it remains to be seen if younger people will follow suit. There ar…
/r/MGTOW18/08/19 05:29 PM
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In leftist circles, what you’re doing is called “tone policing.” We are allowed to be mad. Some of us have been abused. Yes. Abused, in the proper sense of the word that might be used by a leftist. You acknowledge some legitimacy by saying “I can see that” but then belittle or minimize it by saying “you’re a bit much” No. We’re allowed to be as mad as any frothing SJW group.
/r/MGTOW05/08/19 05:15 AM
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All studies have to pick their measures, samples and controls before drawing conclusions from their data. In the abstract, it says "We find that women and men in formal marriages experience higher levels of life satisfaction than do people in other family arrangements" What does "life satisfaction" mean in this context? How did they measure that? I'm not suggesting that it can't be measured, but, I wonder what things they picked to be factors in "life satisfaction". Is it just a blanket "hey, on…
/r/MGTOW29/07/19 03:01 PM
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Honestly, I think it's because men don't have access. The number of times I've been turned away from mental health resources without recourse is astounding. Men make up for 80% of suicides; that's often a result of depression. It's less that 45 year old cat-moms have shit lives, and more that institutions care more about 45 year old cat-moms than boys and men at any stage in their life. It's funny, it played out that way in my own home. My ex-wife is on anti-depressants, and had all the access t…
/r/MGTOW22/07/19 04:13 AM
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It's also deeply hilarious that the younger women that men are dating... they're presumably consenting to these relationships. They're going after older guys, or are at least receptive to the advances of older guys. It's funny how, despite the fact there are two agents in these relationships, old women want to blame men for the entirety of the phenomenon. It would be no big surprise if these 30+ year old women went for men in their 30s/40s while they were in their 20s, too. Hypocrisy is the wors…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/07/19 03:51 AM
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Welcome! I don’t want to be associated with such toxic individuals. Part of me wants to joke about #NotAllWomen as an analogue for #NotAllMen, but I'm sure you get the gist without the jest.
/r/MGTOW07/06/19 04:47 AM
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Not looking for advice, I just needed to complain. I know you're not looking for advice, but, my situation was so similar to yours. Child was my own, but my wife was such a nag, and I was also desperately unhappy. I divorced. It's not universal that you lose half your stuff (though, it's pretty likely). I got away very cleanly. The talk is this: You don't get another life. These years that you're spending in indecision, they're not going to come back. You need to spend the years you have how you…
/r/MGTOW07/06/19 04:37 AM
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Backdrop: My parents were two-income, my parents modeled a particular kind of household; my father was bad with money, but my mother was intensely cheap, so he trusted her with the money. It worked out for them. My bad-with-money father retired with more income than he can spend, a fully paid-for house, and had my mother not died early, I have no doubt they would still be together. I thought the same thing would work out for me. I met my ex-wife when we were very young. Early 20s. I hadn't been …
/r/MGTOW03/05/19 06:17 AM
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On occasion, I get laid from it. Tbh, it's one of the best ways to filter for people who just want meaningless sex and won't ask for more. The second they ask for anything more, you can just move on to the next one without a second thought. I had a very fulfilling FWB for a few months recently, and she asked for almost nothing in return. She paid for her own half on dates, was fun in bed, and quiet during movies. Like everything in this world, take what you can from things, and when it's too muc…
/r/MGTOW02/05/19 04:43 PM
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Maybe stop picking terrible guys and overreacting to their bullshit.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/19 06:42 PM
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Settle for nothing now, and you'll settle for nothing later.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/19 06:39 PM
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lmao can you imagine a man writing an article justifying his anger, and insisting it shouldn't detract from his attractiveness? Or a man being angry because people didn't respond to his message on dating platforms? "and messaged literally hundreds of men who simply never responded to what I had to say." The entitlement is mind-boggling. Men don't owe you shit. This is Premium WAATGM content. If you date for 11 years waiting for your magical prince-unicorn-thing, maybe you a) missed the fucking b…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/19 03:46 AM
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Oh jeez, I'm not past those phases. I'm a divorcee that didn't get as rekt as is possible, but I'm not exactly living large, either (actually, I'm rather poor, and everything kinda sucks). I just know these things for what they are, and in my better moments, I think about how things could be in the future.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 05:16 AM
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W4LRRSP "Woman for Lasting Reproductive Relationship with Stable Partner" Look, at least this take is super-honest. That way no one is trying to baby-trap you, or is making false promises so you'll pay out. Now we can be absolutely certain to nope the fuck out of profiles with that acronym.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/04/19 03:49 PM
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Implying that the male mental health crisis is not only acknowledged by society, but also of concern.
/r/MGTOW12/03/19 05:13 AM
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The people in this sub or who visit mgtow.com are the vast minority. There is a truly massive number of men out there who have checked out of traditional relationships. It shows in the singles mixers/speed dating that were once sausage fests, but now can't even get parity because men don't show up. It shows in declining marriage rates, and the later age at which people even bother to get married. It shows in hookup culture and 'fuck boys' who aren't interested in long term relationships or commi…
/r/MGTOW09/03/19 04:07 AM
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Why does Feminism have a stigma I think it's a trick of language, combined with the general emotionally-driven nature of the general populace. Most people don't think about their political positions much. Not here, not outside of here, not anywhere. I won't say more about the latter part, other than that people cling to dogma wherever you go, be it religious, political, etc.; humans are just not especially rational. 'Feminism' as a word is fundamentally opposed to 'equality' or 'equalism'. As a …
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 09:22 PM
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the holes dug for us in the ground are all the same size Unless you're burying a child.
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 07:05 PM
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Sure, but are you posting this with opposite genders in spaces where women routinely say "men are trash"? Just out of curiosity, because you're basically handing out this #NotAllWomen thing, but I get the feeling you wouldn't be okay with someone saying #NotAllMen. More than anything, do you really give a shit? And why? Those last two parts, I'm genuinely curious about.
/r/MGTOW20/02/19 03:38 AM
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"When did it become more acceptable to have sex with a person before going on a first date with them?" Since, you, the female half of the species, collectively decided that you would demand less from men, while dialing back your own commitment. Yes, less. We were once providers and protectors. That's something that could be demanded of us, with the expectation that you would provide loyalty in return. Now, no one expects or provides anything. Personally, I'm okay with this; you should be too, th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 08:29 PM
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Also, apparently ground zero for a whole bus not giving a fuuuuuck
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/02/19 06:28 PM
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no military or cops While it's probably just shitty left politics™, cops have a really high domestic violence incidence, and if you're getting beat, you don't really have any recourse. I could understand not wanting to partner up with a cop, because you might get the beat. But, it's probably shitty left poltics™.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/02/19 06:25 PM
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Formerly married chiming in: Yes, I think the thing that really ruins it is that you have this idea, and you can call it brainwashing or a cultural more, but, you have this idea of partnership and teamwork. But, it doesn't happen. Okay, it does happen for some people. I know un-feminist women, but not many (perhaps unsurprisingly, they are in very stable relationships). So, you're left with this kind of loneliness. Yeah, you'll have guy-friends and shit, but, it isn't that team that you wanted. …
/r/MGTOW10/02/19 07:09 AM
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Nobody cares about you. You have to care about yourself because no one else will. This is the most important thing no one ever told me, and I'm only just coming to the realization after 30 years. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY cares for you if you're a dude. Anything you think you have from others, and the support you think you have... you don't. They only pretend to supply it, because you're supporting them. Don't be a sucker. It's a fucking mug's game out there, and the only time you'll ever get he…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/01/19 06:52 PM
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I like how no one points out that she did awkward things in bed for Mark because she wanted his love and to please him, but that she won't do much for her husband because... she doesn't need his love? Doesn't want to please him? Hmm.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/18 08:19 PM
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My mom always said that the problem with people who end up unhappy is that they don’t know how to walk away from something that has already served it purpose. Heh, that's sound advice... oh wait... oh... oh no.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/05/17 12:47 PM
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