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Is it really a problem that they’re avoiding toxic/abusive relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:25 PM
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Their significant others don’t tend to be the pick of the litter though IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 09:14 PM
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There’s a few “pilled” threads in r/changemyview. But what usually happens is that the OP is making several critical, yet implausible, assumptions which they base their argument on. People then question OP’s premises and assumptions without even needing to argue against OP’s conclusions and the debate’s over before it began. Examples of this are here and here On PPD, however, people just overlook these huge, often illogical, assumptions and entertain OP’s claims anyway. You might argue that that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 07:19 AM
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/r/changemyview is much better for debate— debate is actually encouraged and enforced on that sub. PPD is mostly people making throwaway accounts to make bad-faith CMV threads which serve as a soapbox more than an opportunity to genuinely C their V
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:23 PM
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The last PPD survey suggested that 1 in 4 users are black pillers. When purge week hits, they come out of the woodwork in full force. Black pill talking points and terminology have entered the lexicon here to the point where every day we see non black pillers subtly making black pill assumptions. How many times have you seen non-incels perpetuate “Chad” or “80/20” or “looks are the most important?” Where do you draw the line between what’s incel content and what isn’t? If we report every comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 09:26 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/l9lvs0/ppd_2021_survey/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 07:38 AM
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According to the most recent PPD survey, 40% of this sub is only age 24 or younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 06:14 AM
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I’d also add that there’s a lot of men on here who have been brainwashed into believing that empathy is a “beta” trait which turns women off so they’re afraid of being considerate. It’s just another manifestation of their extreme fear of being emasculated or taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:59 PM
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With regards to human dating, yeah, it's a term exclusively used by marketers/grifters. You won't find any professional anthropologists, sociologists, biologists, evolutionary psychologists, or relationship counselors using that term unironically because it's pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:32 PM
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Men don't feel they've lost something after sex. They might feel disappointed if she ghosts but they don't feel used. Is there a reason you can't see things like men can? Not necessarily true. I had a date with a very promiscuous woman who kept a list of all the dudes she slept with. She had many of them listed by nicknames. One guy was “guy who cried” because he was a goodlooking guy who cried after sex since women just fucked him but had zero interest in him otherwise. That’s obviously not a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 07:39 AM
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No— all the research indicates that once you’re earning roughly $75k/yr, you start getting severely diminished returns in terms of money and happiness. Basically, once you can afford to not worry about money any more, more money won’t make you much happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:29 PM
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If your parents didn't have a healthy marriage and aren't still happily married when you're an adult, I'd argue that the deck is stacked against you if you're considering marriage. You don't really have a firsthand look at what a healthy marriage looks like and which red/green flags to look for in potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 01:16 AM
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You make it sound like only women share that trait lol. You haven't noticed how dramatically sex symbols shift through the decades? From Marilyn Monroe's fake blonde hair, to Pam Anderson's big fake tits, to Kim Kardashian's big fake ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:12 PM
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It's not autism, it's just social inexperience/ineptitude. Social skills can be learned through experience but they can also be worsened through a lack of socializing and bizarre beliefs. I would argue that spending time in "alternative" dating communities (e.g. black pill, red pill, and FDS) tends to do more harm than good to people's social skills unless they're taking everything they read/watch with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 10:28 PM
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Yet for some reason, most TRP dudes end up in LTRs, if not married, eventually. Pay attention to what TRP does, not what it says :P
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 06:15 PM
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I’ve never been catfished in the sense that the woman advertised herself as literally a different person in her photos, but I’ve met many women who were less attractive in real life than in their photos. Though I’ve also met many women who were more attractive IRL than online so it sorta balances itself out. Nobody should use photos which are over 1-2 years old, especially if their appearance has dramatically changed since then IMO. I don’t know which gender is more susceptible to catfishing sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 03:10 PM
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I used to be the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 05:43 AM
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They probably measure their self-worth by their ability to attract women and they assume you're the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 05:05 AM
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They don’t. They’re minuscule, fringe communities which most people have never heard of. Even the most popular TRP gurus struggle to reach over 100k views/followers on social media because the rest of the population views it as creepy, misogynistic, and autistic. Have you ever seen how the rest of Reddit reacts to TRP outside of the pillosphere? TRP is a huge source of disgust and ridicule. Even within TRP itself, it seems to be experiencing a civil war of the disenchanted black pillers vs. the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:32 PM
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I’m doing everything right, yet I’m still categorically ignored by women. Bro if you’re getting ignored by women, you’re not doing everything right. Edit: looking through your posts, you’re not bad-looking but your OLD photos are abysmal. Get a haircut If you’re as lean as you say, include a shirtless full body photo of you by the pool, at the beach, or playing sports (somewhere where you can justify being shirtless; no shirtless mirror selfies!) No fake smiles. Get a pic of yourself mid-laugh f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:02 PM
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Sounds like you're only looking for serious relationships then? That's fair if that's the case. Though I'd argue that sometimes lukewarm women can evolve into enthusiastic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:46 AM
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I'm more than happy to be used to sexually satisfy women :D
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:45 AM
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I think it depends on what your priority is to begin with. If you're not looking for any kind of commitment, then by definition you're not going to be prioritizing her... so you shouldn't expect her to prioritize you either. But that doesn't mean you two can't still have fun messing around with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:39 AM
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It's understandable how you'd come to that conclusion then. I haven't had the same experience-- when I wasn't looking for any kind of commitment, I didn't expect women to go out of their way to prioritize me when I was unwilling to reciprocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:38 AM
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I should've been more clear. You've never had a good relationship (whether short-, medium-, or long-term) with a woman who takes hours to respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:30 AM
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You've never dated women who take hours to respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:26 AM
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I mostly agree, but since this is CMV I'll add some nuances where I disagree: Some women can take hours (or even days) to respond to texts. She could be doing this for all kinds of reasons-- she could be legitimately busy; she might not enjoy texting; she might not be able/willing to check her phone very often; she might be playing games and acting aloof; she might legitimately be uninterested. Who knows. Best thing you can do is be honest, direct, and assertive yourself. This encourages the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:20 AM
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It's more nuanced than that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 08:12 AM
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I agree that a lot of men burn budges with good women for no reason. I was guilty of this too when I was younger and less experienced (mostly because that's what I was taught to do by the manosphere). Back then, I viewed dating as a zero-sum game and if I wasn't getting laid, I was "losing" and she was "winning." By not burning bridges, I felt like a "beta." Or I'd think that if I cut my losses and moved on without a second thought, that would "demonstrate non-neediness" and make me look more at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:31 AM
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Women will often find men’s non-physical traits sexy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:40 AM
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Both. Dating across is ideal IME
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:09 AM
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Yep. Back before I put any effort into my physical appearance, I still had women interested in me. They weren't interested in me at first glance, but after getting to know me through repeated interactions over the course of weeks/months, many of them grew quite fond of me. In other words: they probably would've swiped left on me on a dating app and I would've been labelled as "unattractive." Yet these women definitely considered me attractive after getting to know me better. This extends to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 05:01 AM
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That's a huge topic that's far beyond the scope of this discussion. I covered some common misconceptions a while back here though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 02:55 AM
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Find me one respected scientist, relationship counselor, biologist, anthropologist, or evolutionary psychologist who fully endorses the black pill rather than condemning it and I'll believe you. There's a reason why the black pill is only endorsed by scientifically illiterate laymen who cherrypick and misinterpret the data: because it's based on bad philosophy and bad science
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:25 AM
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I think having a functioning brain and subscribing to the black pill are mutually exclusive :P
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:58 AM
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tl;dr: treat dating like a part-time job, learn online dating, put yourself out there and expand your social circle, hit the gym, fix your diet, style/groom yourself well, don't trust unverifiable internet dating gurus or "alternative" dating strategies, be authentic I changed basically everything on that list over the course of nearly a decade, experimenting with different combinations and trying to figure out what worked for me and what didn't. I could write a whole book on it, I've touched on…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 10:49 PM
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The issue is that the men of PPD seem utterly clueless when it comes to figuring out what "be attractive" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 10:44 PM
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The most reliable source of accurate information would be people who were sexually unsuccessful at one point, then due to deliberate and calculated change became sexually successful. They're the only people who have a guaranteed personal insight to cause and effect and are much less likely to perceive their success as due to the wrong reasons. Hey that's me! Though I don't think my input holds any weight as long as I'm just an anonymous stranger on the internet. My input's only valuable to my fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:26 PM
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Shit man IDK. That’s why I didn’t participate in the survey— I don’t even know what pill color I’m supposed to be since the terms are so vague and subjective 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 08:44 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/l9lvs0/ppd_2021_survey/ Looks like my memory was incorrect. 25% of men are incels (as opposed to the whole PPD population)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 06:55 PM
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The PPD survey suggests that 1 in 4 men in this sub are incels, so no. That being said, Red Pill/PUA dating coaches are notorious for being grifters. Anyone can become one without any verifiable qualifications; people follow their advice and put their trust into them because of faith, not evidence. If you want to become a dating coach, you don’t even have to follow your own advice and be attractive! You can look like Quasimodo and men will still take your advice as gospel because they’re giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 05:28 PM
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That’s fair
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 08:41 PM
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Then how you can claim that manipulation is effective when you have no evidence whether or not a successful person is being authentic or manipulative?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 08:31 PM
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This argument is a good example of an unfalsifiable claim Regarding your OP, only losers have to resort to manipulation in order to be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 08:25 PM
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You don't think the lawyers of Klansmen would use the same defense?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 12:31 AM
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I think you're choosing the wrong hill to die on
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 12:18 AM
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I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 12:06 AM
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It seems like you’ve already made up your mind on the matter so I don’t think continuing this discussion would be productive for either of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 10:41 PM
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It protects you from entering toxic/unsatisfying relationships and it incentivizes self-improvement until you reach the point where you can date people who meet your standards. That was my experience at least, as a late bloomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 08:23 PM
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The inability to trust sounds like a recipe for depression and anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 06:48 PM
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The issue is that red pill men tend to be either inexperienced, or experienced but jaded. So when the community's "collective experience" has zero input from men who are experienced but not jaded, it just becomes an echo chamber of misinformation. If you ask TRP about the men who managed to become happy and successful without TRP, they'll claim that these men did so by figuring out what TRP teaches on their own... which couldn't be further from the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 12:17 AM
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It was definitely a blessing in disguise. I wouldn't have developed an internal locus of control and begun my self-improvement journey otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 04:08 PM
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AWALT is not referring to food and H2O; it’s referring to hypergamy. You seem to be arguing that since women universally require food and water, they also are universally hypergamous, which doesn’t really make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:22 AM
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You're being deliberately obtuse if you're seriously arguing that when people try to discuss/prove AWALT, they're saying, "AWALT because all women require oxygen to function." What's actually happening is: they're saying things like "AWALT because all women are hypergamous creatures eager to branch swing to an alpha male if given the opportunity because of Briffault's Law." Or if you're more on the woe-is-me side of the manosphere, "AWALT because women only want 6'0+ Chad." And then when you poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 05:35 AM
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Yes, and there's no difference among individuals. E.g. "some women require H2O whereas others don't"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 03:24 AM
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If there's differences among individuals, then by definition, that trait is not "universal"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 02:51 AM
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Piggybacking on this, I read a book called Daring Greatly which explored the nuances of vulnerability. A takeaway from that book is: when we're being vulnerable, we feel like we're being cowardly and scrutinized for it. But when others are vulnerable, we feel like they're confident. I tested it out and my experiences matched the claims in the book. The more vulnerable and authentic I was, the more confident and self-assured I was perceived to be, which in turn made me feel more confident about b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 08:18 PM
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If you're trying to look more masculine, facial hair helps the most. Otherwise, you'll want to visit a hairstylist (a good one, not just some random person working at Sport Clips) and ask them what kind of hair style would look best given the shape of your head and the texture of your hair. Your face will also probably look more masculine as you get older. My girlfriend still says I have a baby face, but now that I'm in my 30s it works out in my favor compared to when I was 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:33 AM
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I think my face looks healthier and more masculine. Facial hair looks better on me now and I have more options when it comes to hairstyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:21 AM
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Women were the most complicated thing ever when I was inexperienced, undersocialized, and unattractive-- they were essentially a black box. But after getting some experience under my belt, learning how to communicate better, and focusing on self-improvement to become more attractive, suddenly they became much more intuitive and transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 02:05 AM
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There's countless ugly people who still manage to find love (usually with other ugly people), happiness, and success despite being unattractive. I think it's insulting to your child to assume that their life is going to be hell simply because they're unattractive. If you're unwilling/unable to teach your child the necessary life skills to succeed in the face of adversity, you probably shouldn't be having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 01:39 AM
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tl;dr: Yes, bulking up helped immensely, both in dating and in overall quality of life. But it's hard to say how much of that was due to it being one of the final bottlenecks to my success. I'm only 5'8. I started lifting weights when I was 18 under the tutelage of the strongest dudes in my frat. I only weighed 105 lbs. Within a couple of months I was 125 lbs, but I stayed at that weight for most of my 20s. Both of the guys who trained me could bench double their bodyweight so I was mostly just …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 02:16 AM
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But boys can't go up to girls and say "please tell me how I can get you, or girls like you, to suck my cock and have sex with me". Yes they can
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 07:49 PM
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If your takeaway from shows like DBZ was, "If I focus on self-improvement completely unrelated to dating, then I can get girls to fall into my lap" then we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:32 AM
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I edited my post. Check the links. There's a plethora of effective "blue pill" dating advice that gives the same pro-masculinity advice as TRP without the toxic masculinity, pseudoscience, and conspiracy theory baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:28 AM
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Blue pill's conception of self improvement includes being nicer, kinder, more respectful, more valuable (read: higher status and education), be generous, be sociable and have a wide social net, and do not fucking talk to girls with sexual intentions. You're taking forms of entertainment which were never meant to be taken as advice on how to attract women and comparing them to TRP which is solely marketed as advice on how to attract women. That doesn't make any sense. If you want a valid comparis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:20 AM
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success includes pussy. Depends on your goals. If you're within the niche demographic that TRP caters to and your goal is to fuck multiple new women every month, your idea of "success" isn't normal. Normal men are just looking for a nice woman to settle down with, and normal men don't really have any issues attaining that. However if your "relentless determination" is bettering yourself without talking to girls because you expect them to gravitate to you, you're fucked 90% of the time. Like I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:15 AM
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Self improvement isn't only restricted to TRP. But blue pill's self improvement are efforts in different directions. The main biggest efforts men have to do to be successful with women is talking to them and wanting them, being explicitly sexual or flirting. But the blue pill agenda is that men better themselves and wait for women to gravitate around them. You need to specifically define what you mean by "blue pill" here because this is an extremely vague, subjective term which everyone has thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:11 AM
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Again, DBZ's message was never, "if you work hard and pursue your goals with relentless determination, you'll be rewarded with pussy." Rather, it was, "if you work hard and pursue your goals with relentless determination, you will succeed" If you set your goal as "getting better with women" and you approach that goal with relentless determination like I did, you will become successful with women like I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:05 AM
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Nothing has really been debunked, nobody has debunked where the healthy masculinity in media is. All we got are example of how blue pill mentality rewards you. There was a thread on Reddit a long time ago asking which fictional characters represent healthy masculinity. IIRC Goku was the highest-voted, but then when people scrutinized Goku and his shitty parenting, they instead agreed that Future Trunks was a better example. Regardless, as I've already illustrated elsewhere in this thread, if cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 08:53 AM
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Most of these heroe's journey start off getting people's approval through being just nice, kind, ect.... Peter parker got his girl without giving away his powers. But shows like DBZ weren't shows about getting people's approval so it's a bit silly to use them as an example. They were about getting out of your comfort zone, taking risks, failing, getting back on the horse, and ultimately emerging triumphant against the odds. That being said, since winning people's approval and getting the girl wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 08:44 AM
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Sure I can. Like I said, I've been doing this since I was 22. My approach hasn't changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:37 PM
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I’m a 30 year old dude. Been dating since I was 22. Most of the women I date are around 22-33.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:07 PM
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Taking a woman out is fine provided her company is proving to be worth the investment. You take her out for coffee/drinks in order to find out if you’re compatible. If after dinner there's nothing there just won't be a second date. Exactly. I would never do dinner for a first date, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:38 PM
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Doesn't match my experience at all. If you're unwilling to take a woman out for drinks or coffee for at least an hour to see if there's any chemistry, you're severely limiting your options. Of course there are women out there who will take the lead and move things forward for you, and there are women who will come straight over to your place. But if you're only selecting for those women, you're leaving a lot of quality options on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:08 PM
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What qualities generally make you feel comfortable enough to allow yourself to be kissed/touched by a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:45 PM
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For me, I fall in lust when the guy is mysterious and kind of a shit head, or in other words, just not good for me. Haha. Does that mean you fall in lust with men who are the opposite of these qualities: reliable, honest, funny, caring, thoughtful, expressive, ect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:40 PM
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But generally someone who is enjoyable to spend time with, funny, carefree, competent, yadda yadda. Would you say those qualities can make you both lust and love a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:23 PM
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Does that mean you can lust after men for many different reasons? Or that when you experience lust, it's hard to put your finger on why you're lusting after them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:21 PM
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What qualities make you fall in love?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:20 PM
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So all that basically says is that if you work for shit you can achieve your goals and surpass people. That’s DBZ in a nutshell. How is this a situation where the character was being nice? It’s not. I’m just saying that I think you’re mischaracterizing Goku.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 02:07 PM
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He was the underdog for most of the series. The show’s supervillains were always framed as insurmountably powerful. Goku had to get his ass kicked by multiple villains and suscept himself to intense training for years until he was capable of challenging Frieza.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 01:24 PM
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Pokemon, spiderman, dragon ball, back to the future, naruto, harry potter, ect My takeaway here is that these are all classic Hero’s Journey stories... yet most men (at least on PPD) seem to want the rewards of the journey without having to complete the journey to begin with. Dragon Ball Z was probably my favorite show as a kid. It had a profound impact on me— it really romanticized weightlifting and general self-improvement. The protagonists constantly failed and got their asses kicked by super…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 01:15 PM
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Right off the bat, it filters out women who aren’t open to being approached I can schedule dates while I’m sitting on the toilet at home in my pajamas. I can easily keep track of my stats (number of matches, responses, dates scheduled, and dates) so I know which areas need improvement. Dozens of new prospects are introduced daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 12:58 PM
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I find your question disingenuous. Anybody could admire the workmanship and hard work that it takes to fashion a guillotine, while being repulsed by its use. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're arguing that if you go to the gym, lift, and get in shape, women will be attracted to your new physique. But if you tell them that you developed your physique through a consistent gym routine and diet, rather than just being born with that physique, they'll recoil in disgust? That's absurd. The sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:12 PM
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What’s the difference? And how did you come to these conclusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:50 PM
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You just said women despise these qualities 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:42 PM
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How’d you come to that conclusion? I see people repeat this point over and over but nobody ever elaborates on the logic or scientific evidence behind it so I remain skeptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:05 PM
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I started out way behind the curve on almost every trait which is considered attractive to women when I was 18. Now I’m 30 and I’m ahead of the curve on most of these things, plus my self-esteem and ambition are super high from all my failures and eventual success along the way. Everyone assumes I’m a “natural” or “lucky” because that’s what people normally assume when they see successful people. They only see the end result without knowing the effort that went into it. When I explain how I wasn…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:01 PM
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Communication and a secure attachment style (as opposed to avoidant or anxious) is the solution
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:58 PM
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True, but that really doesn't seem to be the case in Western countries. Reading all these dating subs here and watching dating channels on YouTube makes me depressed as a man. I think that’s the problem. The dating subs and YouTube channels are designed to make you angry and afraid to get your attention and keep you coming back for ad revenue. They’re not based in reality or on any real science. I think taking a long break from these toxic sources of misinformation would do wonders for your self…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:55 PM
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Women can love you for many reasons besides your height ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 10:38 AM
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If that were the case, women never date students or musicians. Are you sure you aren’t letting your insecurities get the best of you? 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:44 AM
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Ehh there’s plenty of women who date men who haven’t crossed the finish line because they’re giving these men the benefit of the doubt that they’ll cross the finish line in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:31 AM
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Disagree— if you’re on the same level as the “natural” except you had to work to get to their level, women will generally respect you more because your journey signals intelligence, conscientiousness, and willpower— all of which are more attractive traits than being lucky Edit: big yikes! I forgot how many people in this sub are eager to find any excuses to avoid self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:50 AM
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The current research suggests there's not much of a difference between the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 11:00 PM
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When it comes to accountability, I once thought that traditional gender roles steered women towards a more external locus of control, but the current research suggests there's not much of a difference between the genders so IDK. When it comes to social maturity, generally speaking, I think women are just encouraged to socialize more than men are so they tend to mature socially faster. When it comes to dating, if a girl's completely passive and takes zero initiative, she can still get some dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 08:19 PM
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How do you say "I'm not going to be alone with you until I trust you" to a guy in a way that doesn't rile him up about how "all men aren't sex predators", etc? Can't speak for other men but I've dated many women who warned me in various ways on the first date that they need to spend a lot of time getting to know someone before they're ready to get intimate. They usually tell me this either right before or right after I tell them that I'm not really looking for any kind of commitment. After we've…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 06:20 PM
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I think most of these issues stem from a lack of communication from both parties. Ideally, women would be assertive enough to stand up for themselves if they don't feel comfortable with moving forward. Men would be attentive enough to make sure she's comfortable before moving forward if she doesn't seem enthusiastic. In reality: some women are too polite/passive for their own good and allow themselves to be taken advantage of because they're afraid of being assertive. Some men are so preoccupied…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 06:11 PM
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Yeah, not to mention that it feels like the stakes are higher and you have to take bigger risks when improving your social skills. Saying/doing dumb shit and embarrassing or humiliating yourself in front of your peers is sometimes par for the course if you’re behind the curve socially. But becoming well-socialized is probably one of the greatest quality of life improvements one can make so the payoff is huge IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 02:29 PM
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Depends on how well-socialized you are to begin with and what your standards/goals are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 02:07 PM
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“Going outside,” in this context, means socializing with people. Usually both familiar people and new people. During COVID, Zoom calls count as “going outside.” If you’re a student you can join on-campus organizations. If you’re out of school, use Meetup.com or just Google whatever activities you’re interested in Fitness: intramural sports leagues, yoga, running, crossfit, climbing gyms, tennis groups, rowing clubs, etc. Misc. self-improvement: cooking classes, improv classes, public speaking gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 09:42 PM
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If you don’t have any solutions then your opinion on the matter is kinda irrelevant. This will be my final response to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 01:14 AM
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Do you not have a solution which resolves the predicament women are in?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 12:53 AM
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I'm a dude. Go try it and report back to me in a month if you're skeptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:37 PM
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It gives you more options. Go set your Bumble status to "Looking for: a relationship," count how many matches/responses/dates you get that month. Then change your status to "Looking for: something casual" and see how it affects your stats. I guarantee you'll have fewer options when you're looking for something casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:32 PM
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Well they’re being put into a lose-lose situation, where when they aren’t vigilant enough and get taken advantage of by men, they’re victim blamed for being careless and stupid. When they are vigilant, they’re being accused of sexism and paranoia. I’m not exactly what these men are proposing that women ought to do since they seem eager to criticize women either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 06:51 PM
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Yes, but only in public according to the data
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 06:46 PM
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I’m being sincere. I was raised by loving parents who are still happily married. Despite being a pseudo-incel for most of my life until I developed better social skills, I only resented women for a very brief time period after drinking too much of the red pill koolaid. I’ve got my dating life handled now, but talking to people with experiences like yours forces me to acknowledge my privilege and recognize that it’s much harder, if not impossible, for some people to remain optimistic when they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 11:07 AM
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That’s understandable. I’m sorry you haven’t had good experiences with women/people. Also, I find it funny. That you said..." Why are you so apprehensive about giving women the benefit of the doubt?" You use the word "women" instead of "people" or "humans" or something. Was this a victimhood tactic? Because you said: Oh yes, because women are always super honest right? As opposed to, “Oh yes, because people are always super honest right?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:55 AM
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Why are you so apprehensive about giving women the benefit of the doubt?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:25 AM
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Violent? Not necessarily. Aggressive? Definitely. Women wouldn’t nearly-universally reject men as politely as possible if it wasn’t well-known that many men don’t handle rejection well. Judging by how defensive some men are getting in this thread, I think women’s caution is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:48 AM
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Whether "reasonable" or not, treating all men the same just because they're men is just as sexist as treating all women the same because they're women would be. It would be sexist if men and women reacted in the same way upon experiencing rejection, yet men were treated differently just because they’re men. When men have a history of frequent aggressive reactions to rejection compared to women, it’s not sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 06:40 AM
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I couldn’t find any stats on that so we’re stuck with anecdotal evidence unfortunately. From what I’ve researched there’s a correlation between one’s adherence towards traditional masculinity and how they believe a man ought to react when rejected. In a nutshell, the more someone identifies with traditional masculine roles, the more strongly they feel that the man must react aggressively in order to “defend his honor” and/or “get retribution.” I would argue that given how prevalent these masculi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 06:09 AM
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It would only be sexism/paranoia if it was extremely rare for men to react violently when directly rejected. But practically every woman has stories of experiencing men becoming aggressive when directly rejected; therefore, at that point an indirect rejection is the most logical course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 05:51 AM
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Assuming the actors are consenting, porn is basically consensual sexual objectification. The problems arise when men see normal women who look sexy so they treat them the same way they'd treat a woman who's consenting and being paid for sexual objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:18 PM
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I think you're proving /u/akaean's point. I'm not really seeing much self-improvement in those posts. Nothing about how to dress/style yourself, how to get in shape, how to develop social skills and relate to women. Rather, it's mostly just pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and propaganda focused on demonizing women and victimizing sexually-frustrated men who lack critical thinking skills. If you consider all that quackery to be "self-improvement" then I think we're going to have to agree to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:23 PM
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So let me get this straight: when you meet a new woman, you make assumptions about her based on what other women say in cherry-picked interviews? If you think that women don't feel like they're being judged by the interviewer yet they're being judged by you when you interact with them, you're probably giving off bad signals to women. This is why I keep saying that you're probably a poor judge of character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 12:04 AM
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Why would a guy whose YouTube channel is devoted to confirming TRP theories include any interviews with the women who contradict his worldview? He's not interested in uncovering "the truth" of how women's mating strategies operate; he's only interested in finding evidence which reinforces his worldview. By watching channels like this, you're just burying your head in the sand because he's just telling you what you want to hear-- that women only want "alpha males" and you're doomed if you don't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 10:17 PM
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I don't think you understand how science works >_>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 10:14 PM
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Okay. Go on TwoX chromosomes and tell women the only reason they're constantly dating abusive fuckboys that don't care about them is they're a poor judge of character, or that women prop up toxic masculinity by only being attracted to it. I wouldn’t waste my time posting in TwoX about that, but I tell both my male and female friends that if they ask me for my opinion. JFL, the entire premise of this thread is that TRP is trying to provide a bad solution to a problem that doesn't exist, now you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:48 PM
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Cherrypicking interviews with women who say what you want to hear is neither factual nor a reliable/accurate way to ascertain the truth about something as complex/nuanced as mating preferences. That's why we have the scientific method. There's a reason why evolutionary psychologists and relationship counselors lambast TRP rather than endorse it: because TRP is pseudoscientific and wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:06 PM
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They're pretty easy to avoid though. TRP makes it sound like literally all/most women are toxic and unavoidable, which is only true if you're a poor judge of character
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:01 PM
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What exactly are that guy's credentials and why should I not take his opinion with a grain of salt?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:30 PM
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That doesn't match my experience. If being authentic repulses women, either you're being authentic incorrectly or you're not the best judge of character and are dating toxic women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:29 PM
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I don't really care about what the societal trends are since they don't affect me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 08:35 PM
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Why are these fears in bluepill men not seen as a problem either for the individual or society at large? Because TRP men are so terrified of the aforementioned points that they'll swear off marriage and relationships altogether in order to avoid them; normal, well-adjusted men aren't that risk-averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 07:15 PM
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I spent my young adulthood facing my fears and overcoming my inadequacies. I don't fear the things on that list because they're unlikely to happen to me and if/when they do happen, it's not the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:10 PM
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It's just not reality for many men. They haven't got those cards in their hand and "wearing their heart on their sleeve" will turn away the kinds of women who they largely want to date and have sex with. That was my experience when I was younger. Learning how to be authentic and vulnerable is a complicated, nuanced skill which comes with experience through lots of trial and error. When I was younger, I thought I was being authentic and communicating correctly, but in hindsight I really wasn't. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:41 PM
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I showed the women I was interested and I liked them. That's too vague. How did you show them that you liked them and were interested in them? Well, since there is a set of behaviors that are sexually attractive and a set of behaviors that are sexyally unattracrive, if I was interested in sexual relationships with a woman, what would I be if I didn't limit the sexually unattracrive behaviors? The issue is that we don't agree on what's actually sexually attractive or unattractive and we don't agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:33 PM
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Yea like I said it's antithetical to RP to be "terrified" of those things. That's the irony of a lot of these guys' attitudes. You're saying TRP trains men to be terrified of rejection??? Literally the opposite effect IME. I think it trains men to be terrified of certain types of rejection. I think TRP does men a favor when it nudges men to approach and escalate (without crossing any boundaries). On the other hand, a common sentiment among TRP is that they feel like they're unable to be authenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:31 PM
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I elaborated on that in this comment. While TRP isn't a monolith, there's plenty of red flairs on PPD whom I've spoken with (including ECs) who go to extreme lengths to avoid some of the things I've listed there... often to their own detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:24 PM
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TRP encourage fiscally responsible behavior such as saving money instead of spending it on women. I'll use this as an example. I don't think you'll find any reasonable person advising men to spend exorbitant amounts of money on women to try and buy their affection. However, there's a lot of TRP men who seem to believe that if you spend any money on women at all, that makes you a "beta" and you're shooting yourself in the foot (source). There's guys who insist that every woman they take on date m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:22 PM
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I have. Infinitely less effective. What did your approach look like when you were upfront and honest compared to now? Be as specific as possible You advocate being an idiot? You're proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:59 PM
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Lol no. Quite the opposite. We've had this discussion before. IIRC you haven't really field-tested what happens when you're upfront and honest about your intentions with women. What do you mean by authentic? That's a big topic, but within the context of this discussion: not having to run everything you say/do through the filter of "Is this alpha? Is this what I'm supposed to do/say to obtain/maintain her sexual interest?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:45 PM
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What expense? Less sex with lower-quality women than if they had more well-adjusted attitudes about dating women. Also fear of rejection is from the blue side, not the RP side. Tell that to the RP men who are afraid of being authentic with women because they're afraid of the consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:40 PM
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We'll have to agree to disagree. TRP men are notorious for being terrified of: being perceived as "beta" getting taken advantage of sexual frustration rejection not being in full control of a relationship vulnerability getting cheated on To be clear: it's reasonable to be averse to these things... but it's unreasonable to fear/demonize women and go to extreme lengths to prevent these things from happening to you, at the expense of your own well-being.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:26 PM
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The main parallel I drew was how after joining Cobra Kai, a lot of the kids became obsessed with "being alpha" and not being a pussy. The kids are essentially acting out a boy's fantasy of what a real man is, similar to how TRP romanticizes traditional masculinity. They're also too young to know any better so they put all their faith in their Sensei
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 03:50 PM
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I think you're right but for the wrong reasons. If your goal when dating is to establish that you're "better" than the woman, then that means that you're always going to be settling for women below your league or women with self-image issues. In other words: you're filtering out high-quality women with an attitude like that. It's not that you have to be "better" than her by paying for the date; it's that by not paying for the date, she's going to think you're a cheapskate or a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:36 PM
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Because I can afford to spend $20
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 03:34 AM
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This isn't complicated. If you're a man, just pay for the date. If she offers to pay, that's fine too. You shouldn't be doing anything more expensive than coffee/drinks for a first date anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 02:50 AM
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boy that escalated quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 07:47 PM
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Because the vast majority of human beings aren't psychopaths, feel guilt and shame and have a concept of fairness. Therein, they never employ hypergamy or polygamy. While I agree with your remarks on guilt and shame, this sounds like an unfalsifiable definition of hypergamy/polygamy. E.g. "All women are hypergamous and all men are polygamous. If you find a woman who's never dated up or a man who's always been loyal to one woman his whole life, they simply haven't acted on their instincts." There…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 07:10 PM
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in your experience, do manwhores - I’m talking about dumpster divers - get respect and accolades from other men? Like I know men get props if they can bag like constant 7+ constantly, but if they all less than average (or even just average), is it seen as impressive? I've never really understood sleeping with women below your league. It's both unenjoyable and unimpressive. I have a couple of friends with triple-digit N-counts. A lot of their sexual partners are women I'd never approach. When the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 06:43 PM
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You're not going to get escorted to the hospital if you drink responsibly. My point was it's something you'd have to experience for yourself in order to understand. With that said, if you've already got a fulfilling social life without alcohol, then introducing alcohol into the mix would be a lose-lose for you and I wouldn't recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:30 AM
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Just because you're meeting at coffee shop or a bar doesn't mean you have to order something with caffeine or alcohol in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:25 AM
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Get buzzed with your closest friends and you'll understand
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:23 AM
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I've always done coffee or drinks for a first date. It's low-pressure, inexpensive, and allows for us to give each other our undivided attention to see if there's any chemistry. I ask her what part of town she's coming from and I choose a bar or coffee shop within 20 minutes of both of us. I give her the time and place so then all she has to do is mark her calendar and get ready. I pay for the date because it's cheap and I can afford to do so, but if she offers to pay then that's cool too. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:07 AM
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was it not a CMV thread? OP specifically stated: I am offering contra points to mainly men who claim that it is best to consider/ enter a LTR when they’re in their 30’s and up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:30 PM
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If you want to get better at dating/relationships and communicating, taking risks and failing are an inevitable part of the learning process
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:05 PM
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There’s being honest and direct (which is good), and then there’s being radically honest and oversharing (which is bad). The former demonstrates conscientiousness, assertiveness, confidence, decisiveness, and emotional intelligence. The latter demonstrates social ineptitude. For women, using signals can sometimes be a way of filtering out socially inept men. That being said, if you feel like you’re receiving mixed signals from someone, there’s nothing wrong with calling out the elephant in the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:47 AM
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Are there? I've noticed new users/members, but not very many alt accounts. Yeah, there's always a lot of accounts here that are less than a month old which exclusively post in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:24 AM
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I think it's understandable given the fact that this sub seems to have an over-representation of self-proclaimed sociopaths and other maladjusted folk
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:12 AM
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shit you got me there. hang on let me pull up my vin dicarlo escalation ladder pdf and get back to you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:08 AM
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https://media1.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpjpXMFPshSYGLm/source.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:04 AM
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https://media.tenor.com/images/7d0e47701cb8ff21e1c1c19651b41e91/tenor.gif Why did you delete /u/committeeless only to create a new account called /u/AlternativeFutures and post the exact same stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:58 AM
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I think it’s worth mentioning that the second-most-upvoted post on TRP of all time explicitly claims, multiple times, that looks don’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:55 PM
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Big yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:08 PM
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This is ironic coming from you of all people. Weren't you emotionally abusing your wife but you justified it by the fact that she still has sex with you? EDIT: Found it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:52 PM
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We get it dude, you don't like women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 01:20 AM
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If I was super attractive and compatible with a woman who wasn't physically attractive to me, then it wouldn't matter. You're proving my point-- you would've been a match if she were more attractive. Since she wasn't attractive enough, she wasn't a valid option. "More physically attractive = more options" goes both ways and applies to both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 10:11 PM
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Again, being physically attractive =/= compatibility. I agree. That's not the point I'm making though. Being attractive will raise your chances of success, but it does not provide any guarantees I know. I never said it guarantees anything. I said it increases your chances of success. As a matter of fact, you can be compatible with someone that you wouldn't date at first glance because they weren't physically attractive to you. I know, that's my point. Had they been physically attractive, you wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 09:46 PM
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The more attractive you are, the more women are willing to date you. Of those women, some will be compatible with you and wouldn't have been interested had you not been attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 08:49 PM
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The more attractive you are, the more compatible women you have to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 08:28 PM
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Guys avoid putting effort into their appearance because it requires lots of time, effort, and experimentation. It also requires them to get out of their comfort zone, which is too scary for most men. Then there's the irrational mentality of, "Well if I can only become an 8/10 and I'll never be a 10/10, it's better if I just remain a 4/10." They underestimate how exponentially easier dating becomes, the more attractive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 08:26 PM
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What's the difference between sociopathic and psychopathic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 06:07 PM
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This sounds like confirmation bias
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:56 PM
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The sample size of (b) is lower but still high enough for me to draw conclusions from because the success rate is relatively much lower as well. It was very rare to get a woman from group (b) to agree to meet up, and even rarer for there to be any chemistry once we met.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:49 PM
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Imagine two scenarios of the same 25yr old mildly attractive guy. a) pursues women for casual sex within his age range b) pursues casual sex with women 10+ his age (35+) Do you think he will be more successful with (a) or (b)? I was more successful with (a). This is probably because there's more women in group (a). Women who are 10+ years older and willing to sleep with 25 year olds are a niche group of women IMO. I preferred women in group (a) anyways so I'd usually only expand my search to old…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 04:55 PM
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No, he's misinterpreting the study. It's not that 1 in 3 dates are where a woman wants a free meal; it's that 1 in 3 women have admitted to going on a date for a free meal at least once in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 04:01 PM
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I agree with what you're saying here but to add it's also been proven that 1/3 dates are where a woman wants a free meal, she's not then dating that man with any specific interest other than expecting him to pay for her. That's incorrect. It's not that 1 in 3 dates are "foodie calls." Rather, 1 in 3 women have engaged in a foodie call at some point in their lives. It's a subtle, but critical distinction to make here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 04:00 PM
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Tell that to Winnie the Pooh
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 01:47 AM
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My point was that I think most well-rounded men would view unwillingness to give as a huge red flag. Most well-rounded people will take small risks and put small amounts of trust in their partners to test the waters, increasing over time if considered safe to do so. It's generally a red flag if one's partner is unable or unwilling to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:43 PM
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I think this begs the question: is a "properly-vetted guy" really going to want to enter a relationship with a woman who, at that point, has been unwilling to give?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:59 PM
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Pretty sure most men and women both want committed relationships with mutually secure attachment styles in the modern era. It's only a zero sum game to the rare men and women in niche communities such as TRP and FDS who want to take as much as they can while giving as little as possible, trying to be in full control of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:55 PM
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This sub is notorious for massive disconnects in nearly every thread. People usually assume that everyone both understands and agrees with their interpretation of all these vague, subjective terms that this sub loves to use. I made a meta thread asking mods if we could require OPs to define their terminology whenever their posts are going to be centered around them; they rejected it on the grounds that most people wouldn't bother to do that and it would lower sub traffic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:52 PM
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I don't think "asshole" is necessarily the right word to describe the guy who accepts her offer. That discussion seems irrelevant to this situation. Within the context of dating, "asshole" can be used to describe men who are selfish/abusive. But it can also be used by "nice guys" to describe "any guy that's more successful than me." This podcast does a good job of exploring the nuances of the "asshole" label and sums up my thoughts on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:27 PM
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Nothing disproves black pill Exactly. That's why black pill is pseudoscience
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 01:57 AM
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Work out until people compliment your physique. Experiment with different looks until people compliment your attire. Use different colognes until people compliment your scent. That's what I did. If nobody's complimenting you, you're probably doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 11:33 PM
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The Red Pill talks a lot about AWALT (an acronym for all women are like that), which describes certain behaviours that all females exhibit if given the right opportunity and circumstances. For example, all women will branch swing to a higher value male if the consequences are sufficiently low enough (i.e. hypergamy) and all women pine after Chad, either openly or in secret. I'll take "Unfalsifiable Claims" for 500, Alex!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:22 PM
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I know-- that's why they make the mistake of thinking AskTRP is a good source for answers. They're too young and inexperienced to know any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 08:01 PM
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Since I guess I have to say this again for the third time: they should reevaluate their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:54 PM
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15 year old kids reading TRP are begging to become maladjusted young adults
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:27 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:16 PM
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I haven't really experienced that. My friends give excellent practical advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:11 PM
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As far as anything else you said, c'mon, it's 2020, you're gonna rely on your friend's advice for anything? Your friends aren't Google. No one is. I wouldn't rely on most people for advice on most things today, and can always easily seek out more sources of info. If you can't trust your friends, you need better friends
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 06:20 PM
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“How do I get girls to fuck me like a pornstar and noone else but still be cool with me fucking other women?” I've actually had a close friend of mine ask me that exact same question. He also asked me why dating was so hard. Hmm, wonder why? lol To be fair, he's pretty deep down the red pill rabbit hole and we're both very open about our dating experiences. I suggested that given his extremely obscure desires, he should quit cold approaching women at the grocery store and instead just be upfront…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:37 PM
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Asking strangers on the internet for dating/relationship advice is idiotic because they don't know anything about you. Do those people not have any real life friends they can confide in? Do they not have the social skills to know how to communicate with their partners? I feel like if you've reached the point where you've resorted to asking the internet for dating/relationship advice, you should consider that a red flag that your life needs reevaluating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:12 PM
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If that's been your experience, you probably either have a preference for toxic women and/or you're not the best judge of character
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:20 AM
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They don't believe in secure relationships and they're too risk-averse to attempt one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:18 AM
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What's preventing you and your partner from both having secure attachment styles?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:17 AM
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Except for the countless couples who married in their youth and never divorced, cheated, or grew resentful of each other
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 04:45 PM
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Thats my belief on beliefs anyway. Its heavily influenced by Huna and NLP. Which strangely enough is what a lot of PUA is based on. NLP is pseudscience Im not interested in what women like about me. That is a backwards way of looking at it. Im interested in what they respond to. What's the difference? No actually I just thought the fact you opened with "Everyone" was kind of ironic given the context of this post. That's fair. I agree. I should have said "many" instead of "everyone" As far as you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:49 PM
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This thread has no Automod
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:44 PM
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OK so what is your belief then. You do have your own beliefs don't you. What is it, that can make some guys attractive and have women super attracted to them that other guys do not. Its not looks. Its not wealth. Its not a nice personality. Otherwise "Nice Guys" would be the ones getting laid like rockstars. A simple look into the real world can show that it is not these things, it is easy to disprove. What is your belief on what makes some guys stupidly attractive and others not? You seem to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:40 PM
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It's more nuanced than that: https://podbay.fm/p/the-mating-grounds-podcast/e/1407837600
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:21 PM
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Sure. I'm saying it's not "normal" for "most" men to not only prioritize casual sex over a relationship, but to also have no standards whatsoever when doing so other than a woman's looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:20 PM
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It's more nuanced than that: https://podbay.fm/p/the-mating-grounds-podcast/e/1407837600
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:16 PM
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Well what is the universal truth then? "Universal," by definition, means it applies to everyone, with no exceptions Also on an individual level, I still think all TRPers are bothered about is if it is more successful than whatever they believed before. Most TRPers thought "be nice" meant "bend over backwards for women and don't establish any boundaries for yourself." So when they learn to quit doing that, they get better results. The only problem is they do a complete 180 and go from pedestalizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:15 PM
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If TRP principles were "universal," its success rate would be nearly 100.0%, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:02 PM
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There are alpha traits women find attractive that are unintuitive and plain counterproducrive. That women are sexually attracted to men that are selfish, dgaf about them, are aggressive, dominant, display likelihood to cheat etc. isn't the most apparent thing in the world. Some women? Yes. All women, or even most women? Definitely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:56 PM
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How do you explain all the women who didn't want to have a ONS with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:51 PM
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I don't see why anyone would care to follow TRP if they were already getting the social attention/validation that they wanted. It would be wasted effort. Even if that loneliness is not great, it's enough to motivate them to try fringe theories they found online. inb4 "tHoSe mEn aRe aLrEAdy fOlloWing TRP wiTHout reAliZing iT!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:34 PM
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We'll have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:33 PM
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For casual stuff however I couldn't care less for anything else. That's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:26 PM
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Most men have higher standards than only caring about what a girl looks like
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:16 PM
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Because it’s niched dating advice that only works for a niche group of men which you belong to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:12 PM
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How do they acquire these plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 06:29 AM
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That's what the classic online dating sites are for. You can spam openers to as many women as you want without having to match first. Additionally, you can let your profile description do the heavy lifting for you. That's what I did before I became attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:58 AM
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Dates are done with the intent for an LTR. Plates are unaware FWBs. That's not true. Dates can lead to one night stands, FWBs, LTRs, friendships, and marriage. If your plate is unaware that she's your FWB then your communication skills suck
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 05:11 AM
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In the case of TRP, it's not actually dating advice. It's advice to secure plates. What’s the difference? There's very little self-help or spiritual advice offered aside from how to be more successful at smashing. Those aren’t mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:44 AM
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Within this context, women who are maladjusted, mentally/emotionally unstable, untrustworthy, and/or potentially dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:37 AM
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You are correct
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:34 AM
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Well, in some people's opinion, the only "good advice" is the advice that's going to produce the results that they want the fastest, or with minimal effort Those people are probably doomed to being unsuccessful since the minimal-effort advice is usually ineffective. Not only that, if they're so lazy that they insist on taking the easiest route with the most shortcuts, they probably aren't cut out for success to begin with because they don't have the discipline for it. People who are seeking advi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:23 AM
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If the only way for you to get women's interest is by being horrible, your game needs some serious work because you're only going to be filtering in low-value women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:11 AM
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That's my point. Instead of teaching these men how to be more well-adjusted like the men who haven't had such traumatic experiences with women, TRP instead tends to capitalize on jaded and traumatized men's fears and anger. This consequently makes them even more maladjusted than they were before discovering TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:10 AM
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That doesn't really match my experience. I had plenty of high-quality women interested in me because of my personality back when I wasn't good-looking. I was cool and confident because I had high self-esteem from being successful in areas outside of dating and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:01 AM
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If that's been your experience, you probably have a preference for toxic women or maybe you're not the best judge of character
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 01:30 AM
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I have a crackpot theory that TRP/PUA became popular because it reduced the complex, nuanced dating world into a very black-and-white simple explanation. It explained that TRP works on all women so if you just do as they say, it'll work for you too! That wasn't true at all, but the people desperate for advice didn't know any better or simply didn't care. Regardless, some men were like, "Wait, if I just go to the gym and start taking care of myself, women will be more interested in me?" And some …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 12:51 AM
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Hey that's me! But ironically last time you made a thread asking for advice and I offered it to you, you were fighting me every step of the way lol This leads me to believe that unsuccessful people seeking advice suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect and can't really distinguish the good advice from the bad advice, so they're going to choose whichever advice requires the least amount of time, effort, and risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 12:45 AM
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I don't necessarily believe what I just said; I was just making the point that he was comparing apples to oranges since men and women generally have different priorities. I think vast majority of women prefer being single to dating down for a relationship. I don't necessarily disagree with that. I'd argue there's plenty of men who prefer jerking off to 10/10 porn actresses over courting and fucking fat/ugly chicks too, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 11:17 PM
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But women get into relationships with men inferior to them all the time just because they want commitment. Men do not. That's the point of talking about male hypergamy. It's about relationship choices. Women will choose almost any man. Men will not choose almost any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 10:02 PM
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This guy looks exactly what I imagine most TRP men look like: not attractive, but not ugly either... invisible to women regardless. If he hit the gym, learned how to style himself, and stopped drinking the RP Kool-Aid, he wouldn't need all these crackpot theories to understand women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:33 PM
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How are you defining "hypergamy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:28 PM
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If you're getting your information from a YouTube channel called "TRP Clips," you're going to be getting lots of biased information which presents a heavily distorted view of how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 06:20 AM
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As a man who's comfortable with being open with his emotions, I've never experienced this. In fact, my emotional transparency tends to make women like me and trust me more That being said, the men who experience women losing interest tend to overshare, meaning they say too much, too soon, in an inappropriate context. Or they've basically been lying to their partners about their feelings, concerns, and emotional well-being such that when they finally open up and come clean, their partners are rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 08:12 PM
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They're not responding to societal judgment; they're responding to your judgment. In other words: you failed to make her feel comfortable enough around you to want to have sex with you. ASD is the scapegoat PUAs created to absolve themselves from having shitty game. "I did everything perfectly and she was totally down to fuck, had it not been for society brainwashing her into feeling guilty!" No-- if you did everything "perfectly," you two would either be sleeping together or you two would have …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 05:27 PM
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Awesome dick. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:12 PM
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How do you not understand that when people are using those terms it's code for what is attractive? Are we asking individuals what they personally find attractive? Or are we asking what the general trends among humans are when determining what's attractive? If we're asking individuals about their personal preferences, then one person's perception of "attractive" is going to be completely different from another person's because it's subjective. If we're looking for general trends, we should be con…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 04:38 PM
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I think you're conflating "attractive traits" with "alpha/beta traits." If we're talking about alpha/beta traits, any discussion is moot since there's no such thing as alpha/beta males in humans. It's pseudoscience. If we're talking about what men and women generally find attractive, then we can consult scientific research regarding certain trends. My assertion is not that these trends do not exist; my assertion is that TRP misinterprets these trends, draws conclusions from these misinterpretati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 04:09 PM
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ITT: OP ironically providing an overly-simplistic formula for a successful relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 04:05 PM
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It's beta trait to cater to other people's feelings and opinions. I actually used to believe that too when I was younger and inexperienced. As I became more experienced and successful, I quickly realized that the men who find themselves unable or unwilling to cater to others' feelings and opinions aren't "alpha"; they're socially retarded. It's also kind of ironic that you'd say such a thing from the safety of an alt account lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 03:52 PM
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So why would you say that claiming that there is a dichotomy of attractive and unattractive traits is pseudoscience? Because the alpha/beta dichotomy is literally pseudoscience. Cherrypicking/misinterpreting scientific studies and passing their interpretation off as “scientific” is also pseudoscience. Claiming that you’ve discovered “the truth” about women through observation is pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 02:09 PM
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No one goes to a blog about social dynamics expecting it to be scientific They don't expect it to be "scientific" because they don't understand what "scientific" even means. But many of them do expect it to be "the truth" because they don't know any better. That fucking chart isn't supposed to be some scientific journal entry. It's just a dude visually describing his argument. And you're all acting like, "OMG That's SOOOO unscientific! What a dork!" He literally claims that it's scientific in hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 02:03 AM
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My point is: the people who visit the blog where that chart originates are people who come seeking "hidden truths" about gender dynamics. I wish those people were more skeptical and scientifically literate, but more often than not, I think those people treat charts like that as gospel because they don't know any better and they want it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 01:37 AM
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I don't think there is anyone with basic social skills who would read that article and think, "WOW This PROVES men peak in their mid thirties!" Oh, honey...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 12:53 AM
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The point is that his argument is based on feels
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 12:35 AM
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If you're 38 and you still haven't managed to find a compatible partner, you probably have a preference for women who aren't LTR material and/or you're not the best judge of character
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 12:21 AM
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You’ll understand when you’re older and sleeping with new women is no longer fulfilling
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 11:46 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i2ldog/people_who_had_a_glow_up_how_did_your_life_change/g05ws6a/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:40 PM
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I went from being a 24 y/o virgin to hooking up with 1-4 new girls per month at age 30. But I treated dating and self-improvement like a part time job and was very consistent for nearly a decade. This level of commitment was necessary because I wanted to go from one end of the bell curve to the other; it would've been easier if my goal was to simply find one compatible girl to settle down with. Keep in mind that by the time you reach your 30s, it's less cool to be the guy that's hooking up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:36 PM
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He was a locally famous band member in his 20s, got all his tail young, then settled down at 31. Has anyone ever verified that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:13 PM
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That chart is hogwash because it's pseudoscience. It was created by Rollo Tomassi to pander to his audience of disenchanted men in order to drive blog traffic and book sales. It's also amusing to see this chart get lampooned in other subs: https://www.reddit.com/r/badscience/comments/233qyi/this_is_the_worst_graph_ive_ever_seen/cgt5j98/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/23f3xl/sexual_market_value_smv_of_males_vs_females/ https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/23j4mp/terper_…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 09:39 PM
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I think powerless men tend to romanticize the "do not fuck with me" attitude. It's certainly more attractive than the "I'm your doormat" attitude, but it's still a huge red flag for a ton of women. Men who idolize Jack Reacher are overlooking his poor social skills and the potential danger he poses to women-- both of which are massive turnoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:20 PM
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Sounds like you're just settling for undesirable women Jack is just a rough James Bond- Every man wants to be him, every woman wants to be with him. Jack Reacher's a social retard lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 02:19 PM
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The issue is that they tend to miss the mark with regards to what's generally considered attractive to women and their advice is often a step in the wrong direction. For example, instead of teaching men to stop pedestalizing women and instead treat them as human beings; they instead teach men to demonize women and view them as inferior creatures
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 01:29 PM
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This post is a good example of how people with poor critical thinking skills allow their worldview to be dictated by a YouTube algorithm. Confirmation bias claims another victim smh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 01:23 PM
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You get out what you put into it. Some people just don’t really put much effort into their profiles/conversations because they don’t take it seriously. Some people are afraid of putting themselves on the line so their approach is very avoidant, which filters out a lot of matches with strong social skills and high emotional intelligence. Some people forget they’re talking to a real human being with real emotions so they fail to establish genuine rapport.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 11:51 AM
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I thought that was the consensus around here No, this is a debate sub meant to debate assumptions like that. Why do you think hypergamy is on the rise? Also, how do you define "hypergamy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:58 AM
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As we all know, hypergamy is currently on the rise How'd you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:23 AM
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The issue is that TRP frequently misses the mark regarding what women find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 01:18 AM
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There’s no such thing as “alpha males” in humans though so I don’t think that’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 12:00 AM
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All this fearmongering and doomsday prepping over something which you don't even know the likelihood of?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:27 PM
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What are the odds of getting screwed over by a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 11:13 PM
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I think you're overlooking the fact that the odds of these doomsday scenarios occurring are unlikely. Are you afraid of leaving the house too, because you might get struck by lightning? After all, the cost of getting struck by lightning is so high that you must take extreme measures to avoid it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:48 PM
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In regards to rationality, what is so irrational about it? Is it irrational to not want to be forced to raise a child that isn't yours? Or to not even know if the child is yours? It's rational to be apprehensive about being forced to raise a child that isn't yours. It's irrational to assume that every woman you date might force you to raise a child that isn't yours Is that an irrational fear, considering the RISK and COST, not just the frequency? Yes, exactly. It's irrational because the odds of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/u3NxRrVcRsQ
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:27 PM
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TRP men tend to have an abnormal/irrational fear of being perceived as “beta.” They’re “betaphobic,” if you will. This is evidenced by the extreme lengths some of them go to in order to cling to TRP and defend the ideology. They’ll reject conventional dating advice because they’re afraid it will make them “beta.” They’ll become hypervigilant and paranoid about women’s ulterior motives and “true nature” because they’re afraid if they let their guard down, they’ll become “beta.” Most people would …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:18 PM
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If you’re getting anxiety from approaching women who give you zero signals of interest, that’s healthy, rational, and normal. If you’re afraid of flirting and moving things forward with women who are sending you unambiguous signals of interest, you’re being irrationally afraid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 12:02 AM
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Naw plenty of average-looking guys do fine with online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 08:03 PM
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I don't think anybody should be "cold approaching" strangers in 2020 unless they're abnormally extroverted, genuinely enjoy meeting new people, and don't mind having the interaction ultimately go nowhere. Cold approaches are a massive waste of time for the vast majority of men. With the advent of online dating and social meetup groups, there's really no excuse for you to not be successful via online dating and/or your social circle. If you're physically unattractive like I used to be, that's no …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 03:30 AM
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What did you mean when you said: Basically, if forced to approach and pursue, you start at the most desirable and work way down to the least desirable. It's mathematically the best strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:34 PM
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These dudes think once they reach that age, they'll be slick enough to have these college and just-out-of-college girls swooning over them. Problem is if you didn't learn how to flirt when you were young, you're not going to learn by reading internet posts and you're definitely not going to know in your 40s. Exactly. And not only that, by the time men are that age, women generally have higher expectations of them too which they're sorely failing to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:33 PM
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Right. My point is: settling and lowering your standards isn't necessarily the best and only solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:30 PM
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Technically, there’s nothing wrong with it. But in practice, men who pedestalize younger women like that tend to have a lot of emotional issues. It’s worth pointing out that often women their age aren’t interested in them because they’re experienced enough to recognize these red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:19 PM
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I think a better strategy is to keep upping your game and self-improving, rather than to keep lowering your standards. Those two strategies aren’t mutually exclusive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:16 PM
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Very common scenario: guy in his mid-twenties commits to his first girlfriend with a body count of 20+ Not sure if trolling or maladjusted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 10:08 PM
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Yep. Gotta keep making mistakes and getting back on the horse, many times, if you wanna be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 04:07 PM
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I was 28. I'd been rejected by enough high-quality women due to my own mistrust and game-playing to realize I needed to be authentic if I wanted to be taken seriously by emotionally-intelligent women. Not to mention the fact that being mistrustful is unfulfilling
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 03:45 PM
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"Hate" is a strong word. But listening to too much Patrice O'Neal (and many other TRP gurus) definitely teaches you to be mistrustful. I eventually realized that I was using my mistrust as a defense mechanism for avoiding taking emotional risks. I also realized that it's impossible to have a fulfilling, authentic relationship without trust. So I decided to give all the women I dated the benefit of the doubt and risk getting burned. Easily one of the best decisions I've ever made; dating became d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 12:04 AM
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I'm familiar with GLL too. I stopped following him after he got outed for hiring actors in his "candid approach" videos on YouTube. One serious mismatch with BD from my point of view is this: Why spend a decade developing a rotation of MLTR's who LSNFTE but come back at a 94% rate, and give all that up for a wife and SB's? Because that figure is very misleading. He calculates the 94% return rate by the number of women who LSNFTE and then return to him at least once. It doesn't factor in the numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:51 PM
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He's a very skilled writer and his arguments/reasoning can be very alluring at face value. But it falls apart upon further scrutiny. Sadly, the men who read his blog (myself included when I was younger) usually aren't equipped to separate the wheat from the chaff. This discussion about a popular movie applies to BD (as well as most of TRP).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:30 PM
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And morality is determined by how the person chooses to wield such tools. I can't go on a shooting spree and then be like, "My decision to murder innocent people was amoral because this gun is by definition amoral"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:27 PM
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What do you think RP men usually say when a woman asks them what they're looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:26 PM
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That's because he is a major dork. Most of the manosphere gurus are. By the way he describes himself, I was led to believe that he was a good-looking, high-status guy who's aging like wine. In reality, he's a chubby nerd who looks like he's wearing a Davy Crockett hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:23 PM
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As someone who's field-tested BD's system on literally hundreds of dates, worked with him one-on-one, and is credited by him at the end of The Unchained Man, I can confidently say that this isn't true. The reason why BD claims that stating it upfront doesn't get you laid is because BD is a poor communicator. Have you listened to the stories he tells of when he tried being upfront? He was so hamfisted with it that women weren't turned off by his offer, they were turned off by his social ineptitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:17 PM
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Then why do RP men struggle with being upfront and honest with women about their desire for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:14 PM
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TRP is about ensuring that men get what they want. If women get what they want too, that might be a nice bonus, but it's disingenuous to say that TRP cares about giving women what they want. TRP is amoral, remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:12 PM
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They criticize TRP at 8:50.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 05:14 PM
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What? The evolutionary psychologists whom TRP cites are constantly lambasting TRP for misinterpreting and cherry-picking their research.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 03:52 PM
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What did you say to them when they asked you what was wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:10 AM
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I learned quickly that while women will say they want to talk and/or 'are here for you', its a trap and they will turn it against you. What happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:55 AM
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IMO, it sounds like it might be cultural differences at play here rather than instinctual responses. In my experience, when I'm vulnerable with women, they perceive me as confident, secure, and authentic. There's a right way and a wrong way to express vulnerability, though. I think a lot of men express vulnerability the wrong way, get burned, and learn not to risk expressing vulnerability ever again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:48 AM
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I am a economist in a mostly certain doomed economy, with no power to fix it. This is the real crux of the matter then, no? It's not so much that you're not allowed to be weak around women; it's that you've led women on to believe that you're more successful and in control of your life than you really are. Seems like the solution here would be to change careers and/or countries till you can become financially secure so you don't have to lie about it anymore. Or, if that's not possible, then be u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:35 AM
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Are your "real" problems really so bad that you have to lie about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:11 AM
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That is this theory in TRP which I believe in, it states that women will decrease their evaluation of you if you show you them any weakness as an adult male, but there are some who will have a decreased effect, life family so we avoid showing it to women, unlike other men. (lesbians seen fine too, probably because they don't consider you a potential partner) What if she thinks you're weak because you're afraid of being vulnerable?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 05:47 AM
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If she's in his league, then that means she isn't settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:27 AM
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None of the guys in your frat married the sorority girls they dated and partied with in college? That's bizarre
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:24 AM
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If your partner is settling for you, then that means you scored someone out of your league
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:19 AM
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Her comment matches my experience. Source: in a frat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:59 PM
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To each his own. I think it's cathartic to actively listen to the challenges my friends are facing, especially if they're challenges I can relate to. Makes for lots of deep conversations. You've gotta be a friend to have a friend, though. I think a lot of men feel too ashamed to discuss their problems with their friends, which is unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:30 PM
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Here's the methodology used for determining one's SOI. I think it's worth mentioning that it's a self-reported questionnaire; this is noteworthy because there's a lot of men on this sub who experience confirmation bias when interpreting research. More specifically, they'll read research which contradicts their worldview, then dismiss it on the grounds of "Well, this study asked women to answer a bunch of questions and women lie all the time..." Then these same users will cite SOI research to jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 07:42 PM
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Well first you have to have enough social acumen to realize what women want. Seems many RPers were channeling their effort into niceness lol I can relate to some of their problems. I was too nice for my own good when I was younger— I never asked for what I wanted. Problem is: TRP makes men like that believe they must be aggressive instead of merely learning to be assertive. They are taught to stop pedestalizing women and instead taught to demonize them. They fix some problems... at the cost of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:42 PM
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I more or less agree with what you’re saying but since this is a CMV thread I’ll focus on a few points to try and illustrate the nuances of this topic Do you think any player in the history of ever was low SOI, filled with anxiety/self doubt, submissive, socially inept or avoided drugs? That was me as a teenager. But I channeled my neurotic conscientiousness into self-improvement, focusing on improving the parts of me which I both wanted to change and was capable of changing. There are innate pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:21 PM
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I think people avoid addressing it for the same reason why people avoid addressing flat earthers and anti-vaxxers: their reasoning is based on pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 01:55 PM
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These clueless men come in all sorts of flavors; incels are only one of the subgroups.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 01:19 PM
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I think people write hit pieces on TRP because it's notorious for radicalizing men who are inexperienced, jaded, and/or scientifically illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 01:16 PM
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And the vast majority of people seem have no issues with that despite constantly going against TRP's teachings
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 01:02 PM
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Yes. They’re notorious for having very bizarre beliefs about what is and isn’t attractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 12:12 PM
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I think the point is: the men on PPD are notorious for completely missing the mark when it comes to figuring out what women consider attractive; as well as considering what makes themselves attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 11:49 AM
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I think it's worth pointing out that a lot of the men here are notorious for completely missing the mark when it comes to figuring out which "skills" they need to develop. For example, there's guys on here that view dating as a competitive zero-sum game. They erroneously feel emasculated for taking women's desires into consideration, because being empathetic towards women's preferences makes them "beta."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 11:47 AM
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No, the bodybuilding.com forums has done this experiment multiple times This is what's known as "pseudoscience"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:27 AM
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ITT: guys who don’t know how to flirt claiming that being “nice” isn’t attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 03:40 PM
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He doesn’t know how to flirt
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 04:59 PM
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I observed that women don't sexually desire a man they think is beneath them. How did you know whether or not they sexually desired a man, and whether or not they viewed that man as beneath them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 11:08 PM
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Of hypergamy? Observation and trial and error. Can you be more specific? Dom women don't sexually desire their subs. What if their subs are women too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 11:01 PM
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Yes. That's hypergamy for you. How'd you come to that conclusion? No. The only way for a woman to get in a relationship with a man she deems subordinate is if she wants a relationship of convenience, not desire. You've never dated Dom women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:45 PM
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Can you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:40 PM
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It sounds like you're making the assumption that every woman wants to be subordinate to their partner, rather than dating their "equal," or in some cases, being in charge themselves. There's a ton of women out there who are both out of your league and unwilling to be any man's subordinate because they want an equal partner or a subordinate man. RP tactics aren't going to work on women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:38 PM
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That, by definition, means that you're essentially settling for every girl whom you use RP tactics on, though. If you want to date your "equal" or you want to date someone out of your league, RP tactics won't work because you're not "above" her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:22 PM
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How'd you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:21 PM
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But even if you hadn't done so, ending an LTR is pretty much a matter of "I'm not feeling it anymore sry" and...like, it's over! There might be some sore feelings to deal with, belongings to collect, etc. Without proper communication, that's how it tends to go. Proper communication requires you to both bring up issues as they arise, rather than keeping them bottled up until they fester and explode. It also requires you both to work together cooperatively to figure out the best way to solve or mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 04:14 PM
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LTR entry/exit aren't necessarily riskless or frictionless, but they can be low-risk and low-friction with proper communication. I was apprehensive about getting into an LTR with my current girlfriend. Fortunately, our relationship has had a solid foundation of trust and honesty from day 1. Before we became boyfriend/girlfriend, I warned her that I was worried that I might not enjoy the LTR arrangement and want to go back to just being friends with benefits. I asked her if she was willing to tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 03:59 PM
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How did you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 03:50 PM
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If you're having casual sex without a condom, you're a dumbass. Fortunately, the vast majority of women I've dated had zero objections when I put a condom on. Most women appreciated it. Apparently most men don't wear condoms. SMH After we've been having sex for a while, then she might start complaining about condoms (especially if she's on birth control already).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 03:55 AM
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Jim, that's because you're notorious for being abnormally susceptible to confirmation bias and unfalsifiable claims. When studies show women saying things which support your RP worldview, you view that as further evidence that TRP is correct. But when studies show women saying things which don't support your RP worldview, you accuse the women of lying. In other words: no matter what kind of evidence we show you, you'll find a way to spin it as further confirmation that the RP worldview is correc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 11:56 PM
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This post is a good example of why most people largely view /r/theredpill as toxic and misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 06:15 PM
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Rich people are notorious for getting away with murder (both literally and figuratively) because their wealth, power, and influence keeps them safe. Normal men do not have that luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 06:12 PM
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Why aren't you talking about them? Are they all sOcIoPathS lmfao. Like you strayed away from the pojnt without actually . Do you feel deep down they deserve what they reap because they're your betters Because, as per your thread's title, this discussion is about average men. The average man is neither rich nor a sociopath. It isn't that black and white but you disingenuously paint it like it is to serve your agenda. How about throwing in some "and it 's the right thing to do even if you're worse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 06:06 PM
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Oh yeah, this totally happened I'm not going to discuss this further with you if you're unwilling to argue in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:58 PM
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And yet https://bfy.tw/OhHb
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:56 PM
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Except for the people who rule us, apparently I'm not talking about those who rule us. I'm talking about most people. I mean if BeiNG a GoOd PeRSoN is more important to you than getting what you want, that's fine My point is: if being a good person and getting what you want are mutually exclusive to you, then you're doing something wrong. The goal is to get what you want while being a good person. Unless you're a sociopath, you're not going to feel happy or successful by being forced to choose b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:54 PM
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Your actions have consequences. An "amoral" dating strategy, long-term, is a self-sabotaging dating strategy. When you've talked to thousands of women and been on hundreds of dates over the course of nearly a decade like I and some of my friends have, you'll eventually start bumping into women you've interacted with previously; or friends of women you've interacted with previously. Women talk. It's not uncommon for women to share your info with their friends for various reasons, whether it be fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:37 PM
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If you have to resort to “amoral” (which in this case is synonymous with “immoral”) dating strategies to get laid, your social skills are abysmal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:26 PM
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Yeah, that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 04:36 PM
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I think it’s common for people to abandon their hopes and dreams once they get married and have kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 04:32 PM
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What would it take for you to believe in TRP? I would need the scientific community to endorse it instead of lambasting it for constantly misinterpreting and cherry-picking their research.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:31 PM
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Well, you asked for evidence that TRP endorses pseudoscience and resists falsification and I gave you a TRP endorsed contributor's pinned post, the sub's 2nd-most-popular post of all time with over 4k upvotes, and the foundation of TRP's sidebar. If that's not enough evidence for you, then it sounds like, ironically, your view that TRP doesn't promote pseudoscience is... unfalsifiable. This will be my final comment on the matter, as I feel like you are not arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:24 PM
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No, because it's unfalsifiable, meaning it cannot be proven false. Just because something is impossible to be proven false, that doesn't mean it's true. This is why trying to prove or disprove the existence of God is a waste of everyone's time; it's impossible. Whether or not you believe in God (or Allah or Zeus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster) boils down to faith, not science or reason. Similarly, the post I linked is basically saying that AWALT is based on faith. This short video does a good j…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:08 PM
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One person making an unfalsifiable claim doesnt mean all of TRP is that way. This sounds like a No True Scotsman fallacy to me but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and offer more evidence: This is the 2nd-most-upvoted post on TRP of all time. tl;dr: if a woman isn't interested in you, it's just because your frame wasn't strong enough If you don't consider over 4,000 upvotes to be representative of TRP, then I offer The Rational Male. That book is the foundation for TRP's sidebar. If you go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:00 PM
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No, it doesnt. This isn't like someone saying "well, prove god doesnt exist!" God is unfalsifiable (at least for now) so yeah of course theres no way to prove he doesnt exist. TRP is not the same as that. This post written by a TRP endorsed contributor says otherwise. tl;dr: the unfalsifiable claim that all women are like that; if you find a woman who isn't like that, she just hasn't revealed herself to be like that yet
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 10:39 PM
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You might appreciate this. It's basically a summary of the current scientific research on women's mating preferences, written in layman's terms by one of the evolutionary psychologists whom TRP frequently cites. It cites all of its scientific sources. There's a reason why evolutionary psychologists and social science researchers don't endorse TRP: because it's pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 10:32 PM
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When I was young, inexperienced, and thirsty, I didn't really care about chemistry. My standards were so low that the only thing that mattered was how she looked. Nowadays I don't sleep with women unless there's chemistry. It's boring and unfulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 08:51 PM
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Lol I don't disagree. I'm asking you to be more specific-- why did you think it was stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:57 PM
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Yup! What’s your opinion on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:27 PM
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You are the dude who tried to implement PUA theory into real life. Can you be more specific? I am mostly wary of any thing you say. Good! I wish more people were like you-- I want people to be more skeptical of internet strangers' opinions and anecdotal evidence, not less. A lack of critical thinking and skepticism is what leads to echo chambers which radicalize people who don't know better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:19 PM
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I was ugly once; I still had attractive girls that were interested in me because of my personality. This will be my final comment on the matter, as I'm not interested in debating with fatalistic incels
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 06:22 PM
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ITT: incels assuming that the black pill is "the truth"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 05:07 PM
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Yes, I remember this as well. Why has it changed? The only thing I can think of is the App revolution with Tinder. Perhaps this is making a lot of men feel like there is this great orgy going on and they can never get the invite? I think that definitely played a role in it, as well as the spread of social media in general too. The generation of kids that were born around the time when Neil Strauss wrote The Game are now entering high school and college. I think the younger generation has a highe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 05:01 PM
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Would you like me to tag you in the future any time a PPD red piller parrots something they learned from TRP in order to justify their misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:29 PM
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Do you think people who play violent video games and then end up going on rampages did so because of the video games? Or because the players of violent videogames and perpetrators of irl violence will inevitably have some nonzero overlap? You're getting off topic. Let's stay on topic please... Goddamn speaking of pseudoscience you people sure do love to point out correlation isn't causation except when inconvenient My argument isn't pseudoscientific because unlike TRP, I'm not claiming that my a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:24 PM
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Ohh look at mr. High Horse over here knows everything lmao. I can also count by twos and tie my shoes! To tell you the truth, I ended up figuring it out on my own relatively early, but it was very rudimentary ...I didn't grasp how important it was. Better late than never. Though discovering this via TRP tends to come with some adverse side-effects... Who cares how they get people to do what they need to do so long as they get them to do it? Because TRP is notorious for consistently churning out …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:06 PM
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but they assign responsibility to the man for not slaving away hard enough at the gym, at the bank account, for giving in too easily/not holding frame, etc. Those aren't "secret red pill truths," though. That's mainstream common knowledge. Did you really need TRP to tell you that exercising makes you more attractive? That assertiveness is a critical communication skill that everyone needs to develop eventually? What makes TRP special is its pseudo-scientific explanations for everything and its i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:48 PM
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Lol I got in an argument with a guy like that last week. He made a throwaway account in the middle of the discussion to gift his other account awards and tell me how I was getting "owned" by his other account 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 07:57 PM
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I read it. There seems to be this confusion between red pill and black pill theory. I also can’t seem to fit in with the red pill redditors many of whom seem to have limited experience with women. I have come to the conclusion that many of them are much more black pill than red. Yeah. Seems like a lot of them would rather blame external forces beyond their control such as "feminism" and "female nature" for their failures instead of accepting responsibility and putting in the work to self-improve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 07:25 PM
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I wrote a summary of my journey in one of last night's threads here. I think some people would consider me "Red Pilled" because of my high libido, indulgence in hookup culture, dedication to mastering online dating/hookups, and methodical/unorthodox approach to dating. However, the Red Pillers of PPD usually label me as "Blue Pilled" since I'm pretty outspoken against a lot of the TRP ideology. Most of the RP advice/theory I see thrown around here is stuff I've already field-tested hundreds of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 06:48 PM
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What are some behavioral patterns that you think can be seen within 24 hours ? It's complicated and subjective; there's no hard-and-fast rules. Like I said, some people will be incapable of recognizing certain behavioral patterns because they're a poor judge of character. Not everybody's capable of recognizing red flags. Similarly, a red flag to one person might be a green light to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 05:59 PM
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Definitely. Seems like the more invested people become in political movements, the more they end up like Bruce the shark from Finding Nemo. As soon as they get a whiff of a dissenting opinion, their rationality, common sense, social skills, and empathy disappear until they've calmed down. Doesn't matter if they're liberal, conservative, libertarian, feminist, or MRA. They all lose their minds over that shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 05:28 PM
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I’m saying more as in... you get to meet woman, and woman behaves in a certain way, you draw behavioral patterns and you have a risk measurement index I've dated some women and within an hour of listening to her talk about her lifestyle and observing how she acts around me, I could tell that she's extremely impulsive. Extreme impulsiveness can be a fun, favorable trait when she's also not looking for anything serious. But on the other hand, it can be a dangerous, unfavorable trait when I'm looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 05:16 PM
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Behavioral patterns can be used to predict the behavior of friends, but not necessarily strangers and acquaintances. More specifically, you can predict what your friends will do or say in response to certain situations just because of how much time you've spent with them and how well you know them. It would be absurd to set aside all of that information and instead reduce them down to a stereotype: "Well, Megan's a woman, so therefore she's going to..." as opposed to, "Well, knowing Megan, she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:26 PM
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There’s a reason why How to Win Friends and Influence People is such a popular book— it’s basically Active Listening 101
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:40 PM
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Giving her my undivided attention and empathizing with her instead of dismissing and objectifying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:39 PM
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thought I'd get a more nuanced reply on PPD https://media1.giphy.com/media/ppOmdZ54lA2Hu/200.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 05:11 AM
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I'd recommend copy/pasting it and saving it somewhere else since I usually delete my posts every week :P
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:18 AM
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I never said it was "the optimal way." Then what point are you trying to make when you say: What I'm saying is that sex is a way for two people to communicate or convey their feelings for each other in such a way that others cannot, because actions without feeling behind them are just dead actions. You can express love/emotions in other ways, sure, but sex is much more difficult to fake, and the reason for that is anybody can take out the garbage or buy flowers for somebody. That's all I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:11 AM
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I'm asking: are the only standards you have for an exclusive relationship a woman who's willing to consistently fuck you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 02:24 AM
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How so? In what context are people having mechanical sex inside of a healthy and loving relationship? It's possible to be in a relationship where you still have sex, but you're just going through the motions and having mechanical sex. On top of that, everything else in the relationship can be going great except for the sex. As I've said elsewhere, those are all elements that would be present in sex, and expressed through sex. Right, but sex isn't always the "optimal" way to express those feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 02:16 AM
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Do you think that's the only reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 01:58 AM
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Sex is just one way to measure attraction, possibly love. Another way to measure love, for example, is how much someone is willing to sacrifice something important to them for you. You said so yourself that solely mechanical sex can feel empty. I feel like you're contradicting yourself here-- that's evidence that sex alone isn't the pinnacle of a relationship. It's a key aspect of a relationship for many; but I don't believe there's a single pinnacle ingredient. There's also trust, emotional int…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 01:49 AM
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Physical: I didn't like being 105lbs at 5'8, so I humbled myself and asked my gym rat acquaintances if they would teach me how to lift weights. They ended up becoming some of my closest friends and they got me in the habit of lifting heavy weights 3-5 times per week, every week, for over a decade. I'm a lean, muscular 160 lbs now. I had my fashion-savvy friend accompany me whenever I'd buy new clothes to make sure I bought clothes that looked good on me. I'd keep experimenting with different loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 01:30 AM
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I don't think you can simply point to one aspect of a relationship and declare it to be the pinnacle of the relationship. If sex were the pinnacle of relationships, then why would people choose to pursue something more serious than a hookup or friends-with-benefits arrangement? Why would some people rather hang out with a close friend than a friend with benefits? Similarly, there's many flavors of sex. There's new relationship sex, there's makeup sex, there's kinky experimental sex, there's emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 01:00 AM
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Because that sub is a magnet for maladjusted guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 11:37 PM
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TRP: Those guys aren't alpha males; they're scam artists! Also TRP: Just read the sidebar!* *Written almost exclusively by the aforementioned scam artists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:09 PM
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Who is the leader of the scientific community? In the field of psychology (in the US), it is currently Sandra Shullman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:05 PM
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Yeah-- there's no such thing as alpha/beta males among humans. It's pseudoscience. Anyone who says otherwise is scientifically illiterate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 08:17 PM
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If you're going to start a thread about "alpha males," you need to provide your definition for what you think an "alpha male" is. This is important since it's a very vague, subjective term and everybody has their own unique interpretation of what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 08:11 PM
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I think you’re confusing “good looking” with “attractive.” Women can be attracted to men for things besides their looks— this happens to hundreds of millions of couples every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:35 PM
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Is there not a certain height at which becoming taller becomes inconvenient and less attractive? Is there not a point where being more dominant becomes less sexy and more obnoxious?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:42 PM
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This only happened to me when I was younger. I basically projected zero sexuality and was not assertive at all. In other words: they never gave me a chance because they didn’t even know I liked them to begin with (which was my fault). To answer your question, no, I’ve been in that position with a physically unattractive girl before. I grew to like her over the course of a couple of years because she was so much fun to hang out with. But when I realized she didn’t reciprocate my feelings, I reluc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:34 PM
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I’m not interested in continuing this discussion if you’re going to focus on making personal attacks over rational arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:29 PM
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Lie detectors have been shown to be highly inaccurate (Google it). If you don’t trust science, what do you trust? How do you determine whether or not it is trustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:17 PM
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I think that’s stretching the definition of “novelty” at that point. It’s more likely she’s chasing things like romance and intimacy over novelty when she begins to look for a new partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:09 PM
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I'm not interested in continuing this discussion with you if you're going to keep making numbers up instead of citing statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:39 AM
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we haven't proved your experiences are abnormal your own life and experiences proves the study you posted was horseshit ??? you must have sexually dimorphic traits on the magnitude of 1 in a million or rarer, so what are these traits that women find so attractive, in order to you to have access to 1 in a million or more chances to have sex Dude where are you pulling these figures from?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:35 AM
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you certainly realize an outlier of your magnitude for having at least 50 sexual partners would put you in the top .1 percent right I'm an outlier because most people don't prioritize dating and casual sex like I do. and maybe you should learn what statistics and standard deviations are you're like 1 in a million with your proposed number of sexual partners, and that's complete horseshit if we're going by the study you posted I think you're proving my point. My experiences are abnormal-- which, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:30 AM
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your own life and experiences proves the study you posted was horseshit That's not how it works. My anecdotal experiences cannot be extrapolated to the general population. You should skim through this article. It elaborates on the flaws of trusting anecdotal evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:16 AM
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I'd argue that the craving for novelty and variety is stronger in men than in women-- there's countless women out there who seem to essentially only have one "slot" in their mind reserved for one man. Meaning, even if she wanted to, she'd have a hard time enjoying sex/romance from someone other than the man currently occupying that slot. The men who fear that their partners crave novelty and variety as much as they do are often just projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:10 AM
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What do you think my argument is?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:07 AM
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I think you're missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:01 AM
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the statistics are horseshit and don't account for the accessibility of the modern internet dating scene Yes they do-- the median number of partners only increased from 3.9 in 2006-2010 to 4.2 in 2011-2015. and the propensity for people to lie I don't think we can continue this discussion if your argument is basically going to be: "The women cited in the official statistics all lied, but the women in my anecdotal evidence are all telling the truth and their experiences can also can be extrapolat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 05:45 AM
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The statistics suggest otherwise. According to that, the median number of sexual partners a woman has throughout her life is less than 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 05:07 AM
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Are you saying that anecdotal evidence should be taken as gospel and generalized to all women? Have you seen any anecdotal evidence for women who aren't so promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:59 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:58 AM
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women coming from college regularly report over 100 partners Where'd you get that figure from? And why do you believe that if a woman receives countless propositions for sex that she's acting on all/most of them? based on the statistical probability of that being said, it would make sense to assume that isn't far from the average I don't think that's a sound assumption to make-- that's not how statistics work
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:55 AM
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How'd you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:46 AM
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This doesn't match my experience at all, and I've been on hundreds of dates and sleep with at least 1 new girl per month. Some girls share that info, some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:45 AM
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I feel like you're not really answering the OP. How do you know what her sexual history is? Are you asking her? Or are you assuming that All Women™ have had sex on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 04:39 AM
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I think it’s more complicated than that— it’s enabled by all kinds of other variables besides one’s options such as empathy, emotional intelligence, and maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:37 PM
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Of course. My point was that both sides are very similar if we’re discussing how common it is for one side to be shitty. They might be shitty in different ways, but they’re equally capable of treating their partners poorly and being treated poorly. The reason why some people believe the other gender is shitty while theirs isn’t is because they’re failing to empathize with the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:14 PM
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I think there's a lot of overlap between the communities, but I've noticed the following traits are very common among red-flaired posters (or, at the very least, the TRP ideology is very alluring to men who identify with at least one of the following traits): Young, naive, and/or inexperienced with women (or people in general); socially/emotionally behind the curve Older and more experienced, but jaded by women through traumatic experiences Feels an abnormally strong desire to "prove himself" as…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:13 PM
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Yes...? Edited post for clarity
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 04:57 PM
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You might find this podcast interesting. It features two evolutionary psychologists who talk about how common it is for their research to be misinterpreted by incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 04:52 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 04:28 PM
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This should be a no-brainer for everybody. Options #1 and #2 are guaranteed to make any man unhappy. Option #3 offers the only opportunity for happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 05:59 PM
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No— what if she wanted to sleep with you on the first date and was open to being FWB, whereas she made other men wait for sex and demanded commitment first?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 12:15 PM
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Friend with benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:59 AM
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What if she was willing to be your FB but demanded commitment from all the other guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:30 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:17 AM
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Does that mean you make women wait at least 3 dates before having sex if you want them to be your girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:17 AM
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There's a fine line between "not caving into the demands of the world" and "not able to adapt to the demands of the world"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 02:47 AM
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29
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:03 PM
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To be fair, I don't think that's what OP's talking about. I think OP is talking about the guy who tried to get with you (or didn't try at all), didn't get anywhere, and then went home and started trying to figure out ways to win you over, rather than taking the L and moving on to a more receptive woman. If that's what he's talking about, I generally agree that that guy's wasting his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:34 AM
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Can’t comment on that since I don’t know anything about femcels
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:30 PM
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Its generally understood that AWALT is all women have the capacity to act on their nature because that's their nature, but doesn't mean they always will act on their nature. This definition of AWALT doesn’t make any sense. I explained why when I tackled definition #2 here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:18 PM
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If you can find at least one person out of the 7.5 billion people on this planet that doesn't like free money, then no, it's not "universal." Universal means that it applies to literally 100.0% of the population, with absolutely zero exceptions. Height is not a universal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:23 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/elg0jc/is_height_the_most_important_attribute_for_male/fdhl5i6/ Feel free to skim through the rest of the thread. There's plenty of evidence to disprove the notion that height is a universal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:05 AM
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You don't think there would be a single woman who says "I've dated men shorter than me" or "I'm 5'4 and I've dated a guy my height" or "I don't really care about height as much as [insert other trait here]?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 01:39 AM
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There's no such thing as a "universal height preference." If there were, you'd never see an extremely short guy with an attractive girlfriend and you'd never see women dump their tall boyfriends to date someone shorter. I debunked this in definition #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 01:08 AM
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The distribution of their preferences is not universal, and there are in fact "exceptions to the rule." But certain elements of female preference, are in fact, universal (in practice). For instance, there is what amounts to a universal preference to height. I don't think you understand what "universal" means If you were able to bet on any women preferring the same man tall or short, which would you place money on? If you could do that a hundred or a thousand times, would you? Obviously if could …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:42 AM
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Women's preferences are not universal
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:30 AM
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So you actually believe that female arousal reactions to things like male height, jawline, gate etc are random? Yes, that's how natural selection works-- these traits occur randomly. That they serve no purpose in genetic fitness? Genetic fitness is not random but it's entirely dependent on the context of one's environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:26 AM
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I don't think you understand how science and evolution work. Exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:23 AM
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There's literally hundreds of millions of "unicorns" out there-- I covered this in my rebuttals to definitions #1 and #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:17 AM
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Well, for starters, you won't have to be paranoid as to whether or not she's going to cheat on you or betray your trust lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:08 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:01 AM
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You have to be a high value man to get a high value woman first :P
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:26 PM
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You're confirming my suspicions that perhaps the problem here is that you and your friends make poor choices with regards to partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:21 PM
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But at the end of the day, if your wife is sleeping with other people openly, you are an object of derision by other men and women. Again, it's about setting expectations and communicating these things upfront, as expressed in your own definitions. Don't worry, nobody's going to view you as an object of derision when you're fucking other women too. I promise. Regardless, you're clearly insecure and outcome dependent about how others perceive you and your masculinity. It's obviously important to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:14 PM
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Women don't love men, in that way. You're doing that same weirdo thing you did with AWALT. Women love men the same way men love women. They usually love us for different reasons, but they still love us in the same way. I'm sorry you don't get to experience that. Paranoia? Emasculated :Deprived of his male role or identity. Cuckold : A man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision. Being in an Oltr is literally being emasculating according to 99% of the population…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:26 PM
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They both look great. The only reason they look "bad" is because they're being directly compared to male models. They're still above-average and those physiques and styles are completely within the grasp of the vast majority of men who are willing to put in the effort. I feel like these biased photos are used so incels can be like "I'm a 2/10 but I'll never be a 10/10 so therefore I shouldn't bother trying to become an 8/10." It makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:01 PM
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I don't have this problem. The problem I had was me overvaluing women, and therefor overinvesting in them. Trusting them fully. Typical betafag stuff. Yes, and you made the classic mistake of doing a complete 180 and veering off to the other extreme end of the spectrum where you undervalue women and under-invest in them because you've learned to fear taking emotional risks. K. Well good luck on your journey of getting women to love you the way that men love. Meanwhile I'll just do what makes me …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:57 PM
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You can't care like that. Women aren't capable of loving you in that way, so, in my opinion, it's foolish to love them in that way. Sounds like you have an external locus of control with regards to women’s love. It’s not your fault all the women you’ve dated have never truly loved you; it’s female nature! There couldn’t possibly be some undesirable quality you have which prevents women from loving you 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:36 PM
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I don't care if she'll leave Sounds like she doesn’t bring much value to your life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:17 PM
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Sounds like you’re in a relationship with a low value woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:15 PM
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https://blackdragonblog.com/2018/01/01/conditional-monogamy-one-way-monogamy/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:04 PM
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Less stress/drama when their partner inevitably fucks someone else or complains about their inability to do so. This article sums up my thoughts on the matter. Let’s take two guys, Guy A and Guy B. Guy A is an Alpha Male 2.0 who has an OLTR plus an FB on the side he has sex with several times a month. One day his OLTR tells him she had sex with some other guy, a beta male she met at a party last year. He shrugs and moves on with his day. She’s been with him for several years and he trusts her, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:28 PM
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I think you’re rationalizing your jealousy/neediness
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:11 PM
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Wait, so you’re free to fuck other women but if she fucks other men, she’s a whore? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:05 PM
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That’s human innocent love— more specifically it’s called “limerence.” It’s also what tends to turn off one’s partner unless their partner’s also in limerence. People mistake this feeling for empathy and then erroneously conclude that “empathy” is an undesirable trait when in fact their neediness and clinginess was undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:54 PM
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I covered this in my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:43 PM
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So you’re in the feminist fetish club too then? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:42 PM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:00 AM
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How'd you come to that conclusion? Are you 5'6?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:12 AM
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You always have the option of entering a fulfilling relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:54 AM
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OP is an 29 YO, average looking, 5.6" male. As a result, he knows that his SMV will always be low What?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:33 AM
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Is that, "Nope, TRP doesn't ignore the fact that there's other options" or "Nope, there's no other options?" If the former, what are the other options that TRP advocates? If the latter, I think we've found what your problem is :P
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 12:31 AM
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Guys wanting a proper wife is obvious, that isn't "going back to blue pill land" that's the underlying sentiment of RP. You just said that TRP is a sub dedicated to getting pussy and not getting married. This suggests that either “Married = not RP” or that RP is also about getting married, and not just getting pussy. It's like the military. There's a couple guys that always wanted to serve and want to be in leadership. Most guys are there because they didn't have better options and learn to acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 12:02 AM
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This thread's currently trending on PPD. The two top-level responses are RP's claiming they just want to find a good partner. I disagree with your assertion that TRP is solely about sex and not about relationships at all. Aren't you, a TRP EC, also in a long-term relationship right now? Why aren't these men who unplug, going back to blue pill land? After they suddenly no longer can find "high value women" why they don't go back? There's a ton of men who experiment with TRP, are unimpressed with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 11:02 PM
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Debating is fun
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:58 PM
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This is a CMV thread in a forum called "Purple Pill Debate." If you don't want to debate things, then you're probably in the wrong sub
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:56 PM
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I covered that in my rebuttal to definition #3 and in my conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:21 PM
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I covered this in the introduction and my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:16 PM
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Yes, the danger of the heuristic is determined by how seriously you take it. Everybody knows that cheating can happen. But there's a big difference between knowing it happens and expecting it to happen to you. The former is normal and fine; the latter is abnormal and dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:05 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:54 AM
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But you can be in positions where the correct answer is detrimental to your happiness. I think it depends on essentially what you feel like your purpose is. In my case, I do my best to base all of my decisions on what will make me feel the happiest in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:50 AM
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Im not saying all women will cheat/branchswing.Im talking about feelings and attraction,not actions. Can you be more specific? And I get laid more consistently by putting less effort empathizing. So did I when I was a beginner. To be clear, I'm not calling you a beginner; my point is that when I was a beginner, I thought I was empathizing with women and connecting to them, but I really wasn't. When I figured out how to empathize correctly, I found that it made getting laid much easier and more s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:48 AM
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How do you determine whether or not a decision is correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:43 AM
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I covered TRP's definition in the introduction and I debunked it in definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:38 AM
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It's not that no matter how a woman behaves it supports the red pill.If ,for example, I saw women desiring me more because I treat them nicely I would say that Trp doesn't work.Womens behavior is very accurately describes by Trp. I've been on both sides of the fence. I get laid more consistently by putting a lot of effort into empathizing with the women I'm dating rather than objectifying them. They are saying that ALL women have this nature and sexuality that I described.Whether they ACT on it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:30 AM
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My post is the "Atlas Shrugged" of PPD CMV's in terms of length Don't forget to click all the links and watch all the videos! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:28 AM
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I covered this in my rebuttals to definitions #1 and definitions #3.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:24 AM
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but that’s not a argument against categorical sex differences in primates which is essentially what AWALT/AMALT is. You'd have to be very specific with regards to which categorical sex differences you're referring to. If you believe that most women like purses, that's probably harmless. If you believe that most women are hypergamous (as defined in my introduction), you're probably going to have issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:22 AM
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Because I see it everyday with my own eyes. That's because it's unfalsifiable. No matter how a woman behaves, it's evidence to support definition #2. If you find a woman who you marry and she never leaves you or loses attraction for you, that's still evidence for definition #2 because you'll both die thinking, "Well she just never showed her AWALT tendencies, but they were there." In other words: it's a meaningless definition. It has no practical applications or predictive power. It's the same d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:21 AM
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"Paranoid"=if I'm not hypervigilant, she'll take advantage of me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:14 AM
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I think I covered that in my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:11 AM
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Your #3 is also just wrong. Biologists believe that male and female primates are different. That doesn’t make biologists paranoid. Yes, this is common knowledge. But how do you jump from "men and women are different" to "treat every woman as if she'll ruin your life?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:09 AM
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Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:08 AM
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I think I covered this in my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:05 AM
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I don't know enough about guns to comment otherwise so I'll take your word for it. I feel like you're basically agreeing with my rebuttal to definition #3 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:03 AM
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I covered that in my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:55 PM
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You didn't really explain why that's false though. That's because it's unfalsifiable. That's the whole point. Something being unfalsifiable doesn't mean it's not true,it means you don't have the means to test it. Then why do you believe in it? Do you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster too? AWALT means that all women have female nature and sexuality.They are all attracted to a combination of looks,money,status and game,they are hypergamous etc.It DOESNT mean all women cheat or that all women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:48 PM
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I don't think you read my post. I covered this in the introduction and in my rebuttal to definition #3
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:47 PM
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The PPD Glossary, TRP Glossary, and TRP EC says otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:42 PM
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If I recall correctly, you cited the PPD definition of AWALT, which I just debunked in my post (see definitions #2 and #3), and then you tried to change the subject and stopped responding after I pointed out the flaws in that definition just as I did in my OP. If you have any counterarguments to my OP, now's your chance to show everyone why I'm wrong. Otherwise if you're just going to insult me and talk shit in every response to this thread, then I think this discussion is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:36 PM
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Feel free to dissect my argument and explain why I'm wrong. That's what this thread is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:29 PM
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The problem is "All women are like what?" Yes, you're pointing out the core problem with most of the discussions on this forum (and why most of these terms are bullshit). All the terms which people love to discuss are incredibly subjective and nebulous. That's why I laid out my own specific definition of hypergamy in my essay. I chose hypergamy because that's what The Red Pill Glossary uses. Though even their glossary definition of hypergamy contains more and more vague, subjective terms (alpha …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:04 PM
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I think you'd have to be more specific with which traits you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 11:02 PM
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Rationality allows us to make better decisions and consequently have happier, more meaningful and fulfilling lives
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:59 PM
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Because paranoia, by definition, isn't rational behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:55 PM
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That's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:50 PM
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I haven't been in a monogamous relationship since high school. I've only had one night stands, friends with benefits, and MLTRs since then. Regardless, treating women like objects makes all of the above more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:41 PM
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In 2017, online dating became the most common way for newlyweds to meet each other If you're not getting results from online dating, it's not the app's fault; it's yours
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:05 PM
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Good question! First you record which photos you're using and what your profile description says. This directly determines how many matches/responses you'll receive. You'll also want to take note of how you're choosing to banter with women and how you're choosing to pitch the meet. If you're using classic dating websites, you keep track of how many openers you sent, how many responses you received, how many dates you scheduled, and how many women you met. If you're using modern swipe apps, you k…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:03 PM
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Yeah-- those guys tend to have poor communication skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 09:00 PM
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I think you're underestimating how much your non-physical features dictate your attractiveness as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 08:00 PM
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I agree that I'm bad at it-- mostly because I've never practiced it because I don't need to. Online dating's way more efficient. What are your cold approach stats? How many women do you need to approach to get laid? Where do you approach them? How long does it take to go from meet-to-sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:56 PM
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Considering that every time men mention online dating online, the vast vast majority are complaints, and they're complaining about the same two things - what makes you believe that's not 'representative of men as a whole?' Because they're all from Reddit. 'Abnormally?' Love how coy you're trying to be, pushing the narrative that if you're having huge trouble matching in the first place or issues with being ghosted, you must be abnormally unattractive. I think you missed the "socially awkward" pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:52 PM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 06:46 PM
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I feel like whatever I'm going to say, you're going to going say something this way or that, its too sexual, its not sexual enough, etc. I'm never going to tell someone that they aren't being sexual enough within the context of online dating. Just be a normal dude and talk to her like a normal person then pitch the meet after a few messages. Once you've met her and you're talking to her face-to-face, then I might say that you're not being sexual enough. I'm like man, I'm already pretty happy wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:39 PM
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You should be dating while focusing on self-improvement in order to measure your progress. That's what I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:07 PM
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I think most people would agree that the vast majority of men would be down for casual sex if the opportunity presented itself, and most men fantasize about casual sex when they're watching porn. That being said, there's a difference between being open to casual sex and actively hunting/pursuing casual sex. Most men are looking for long-term relationships rather than casual sex since relationships offer certain benefits which casual sex does not. Pursuing casual sex also has an opportunity cost …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 11:07 PM
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Ehh I think it's more like, for every girl who's happy you approached, there's 50 who you annoyed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 04:22 AM
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As a woman, there’s no reason not to. What if a guy who's into you feels like you're not into him because you're not sleeping with him and consequently decides to move on? Friends of mine who have casual sex are always complaining that they rarely orgasm. A guy who is having a ONS with someone they don’t care about isn’t going to care if she orgasms, or take the time to find out what she’s into. I go out of my way to make sure the woman I'm with is having a good time, even if might just be a ONS…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:34 AM
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Depends on the couple
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:11 AM
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I don't disagree that women who are abnormally low-inhibition when it comes to sex tend to have emotional/mental issues. Though I'd argue that due to such issues, their love lives are going to be dysfunctional regardless of how long they wait for sex until they get those issues resolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 02:03 AM
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I spent my early-mid 20s religiously studying and field-testing several gurus’s works including BD, GLL, 60 YOC, Franco, Alan Roger Currie, etc. I spent the most time with BD and have worked with him in the past. I spent my late-20s deprogramming myself from their advice and philosophies and literally started getting laid dramatically more when I did that. The seduction community does itself a massive disservice by downplaying and demonizing the “blue pill” fundamentals of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:49 PM
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Women can be creepy. Date a lot of women and you’ll meet them. I agree that “creepy” is generally a term reserved for men, but I think men in general are more socially-inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:30 PM
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It’s a learnable skill that anyone can master. It’s the easiest way to meet women, in terms of time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:05 PM
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ITT: people with warped perceptions of “average”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:03 PM
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Yes and for every instance where the man was unjustly punished for an awkward approach, there’s millions of unreported instances where nothing bad happened after an awkward approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:41 PM
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Of course
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:38 AM
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Nice work!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:50 AM
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Of course. Humans are emotional first, rational second.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 11:01 PM
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You hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 10:07 PM
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That's not true. Anyway I'm done discussing this with you, feel free to give that podcast a listen. It tackles exactly what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 09:43 PM
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I think you're oversimplifying things. Give this a listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 09:29 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 09:15 PM
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Sufficed to say, most men (who aren't Chad) are forced into lose lose situations in the club, at work, and just about anywhere men and women interact. How so? What exactly is the "lose-lose" situation you experience at the club? And how are you "forced" into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:45 PM
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If you're a 4 and you only pursue 8's and above, you're probably going to erroneously conclude that the dating market is unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:08 PM
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"Don't shit where you eat" has been folk wisdom for decades. Men aren't forced into lose-lose situations at clubs. Men were never forced into lose-lose situations at work like women were either. I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 07:53 PM
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If you experience LMR, you’re doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 07:07 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 09:36 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:49 AM
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I think a lot of people on PPD have either been burned before or read too many horror stories online such that they feel like they need to be in full control of things like this. Dating requires risk, for everyone. If you play the dating game as risk-avoidant as possible, sure, you probably won’t have to worry about getting burned or taken advantage of. But you also probably won’t be able to score the highest-quality, most-compatible partner you’re capable of scoring.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 10:56 PM
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Do you ask men what they’re looking for before you sleep with them? Do you know what you’re looking for before you sleep with them? Hard for me to offer advice since I’m not a woman, but, I think there’s always going to be risk and trust involved here. In other words: there’s no 100% foolproof anti-pump and dump method if you want to both have a relationship and also hook up within the first 3 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:04 PM
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Fair enough. I’ve never been cheated on so I can’t really argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 10:11 AM
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The question here is: to what extent did his decisions drive her to cheat? Was there anything he could’ve done differently besides choosing a different partner to begin with or was this inevitable? For example, if OP hypothetically was emotionally abusive while his partner more-or-less didn’t really do anything wrong, I’d argue that had he not been emotionally abusive, perhaps she wouldn’t have cheated on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 09:54 AM
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I apologize if it comes across as victim blaming. Such is the nature of advocating for an internal locus of control (Google it)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 09:45 AM
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OP said somewhere else ITT that he’s been cheated on multiple times in the past by multiple women, so I can sorta understand how he’d become traumatized/paranoid and mistakenly conclude that AWALT. Problem is: he’s blaming women for this rather than asking himself either what he’s consistently doing wrong to drive women to cheat on him; or why he’s consistently choosing unfaithful women as partners. Regardless, taking advice from internet strangers who also have had mostly bad experiences with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:22 AM
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Not sure how you inferred that from my posts
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:45 AM
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I have no idea what you’re talking about dude
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:19 AM
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Do you need to see other dudes approaching your girlfriend in order to find her attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:24 AM
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You've said in the past that TRP was the first resource you discovered regarding dating/relationships, so your perspective on the whole thing is going to be a bit skewed until you leave the TRP echo chamber. At this point, anything that isn't on the TRP sidebar is basically "blue pill" to you, which is silly. If you're going into every relationship with the expectation of getting cheated on, that indicates some unresolved emotional issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:08 AM
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Simply put: getting into a relationship and putting your trust in another person is a risk. It seems like you're not really emotionally ready to take a risk like that, for whatever reason. Maybe stick with short-term/casual relationships until you feel like you're ready to trust someone. I'd also add that it might be too late for you to be "vulnerable" with your partner. Hard to say since I don't know anything about you, her, or your relationship. But if the reason why you attracted her in the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 02:41 AM
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That's the price you pay for believing in pseudo-scientific beliefs such as AWALT. As you seem to be realizing, there is a massive opportunity cost for entertaining the idea that AWALT, which TRP seems to downplay. BTW - one TRP thing that is also at play is I will not come out to her about my anxiety because I know it would be guaranteed to reduce or remove her attraction to me. This is also untrue. It's only going to make her think less of you if you complain about having anxiety without doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 02:30 AM
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We have to nitpick and be very specific when we’re using words which have very subjective definitions that nobody agrees on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:27 PM
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Same. But that’s not “top of the top” like you described. “Top of the top” means you effortlessly have the “top of the top” most beautiful women bending over backwards to get your attention wherever you go. If you’ve met men like that IRL, you’d be taking their advice not TRP’s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:22 PM
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You’d have to define “effortlessly.” “Effortlessly” implies that women approach him when he goes out and the women do all the work, trying to impress him. Only famous men get that treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:17 PM
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That’s because I’m following OP’s definition of Chad, not yours. Only famous men are Chads following your definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:04 PM
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Yes— I’m one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:43 PM
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You're not empathizing with anyone lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:11 PM
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You're proving my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:09 PM
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You're basically following the same logic as is being criticized in this thread. On paper, yes, you are correct-- "technically," the only responsibility he owes his child is the child support money. But out in the real world, where the vast majority of people (including his future sexual/romantic partners) view this as a moral responsibility, his SMV/RMV is going to take a nosedive when they find out how he chose to handle the situation. Atlas, you need to keep in mind that you have abnormally l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:48 PM
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I know-- and now you have to pay the price for making a colossally retarded decision. The universe rewards stupidity with pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:39 PM
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ITT: "natural" OP who doesn't understand or trust women wants his bizarre beliefs validated by women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 01:23 AM
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I did. What do you think the answer to that question is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 11:26 PM
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How do scientists (Who are not male) know it is the healthy male human nature to want sex? Scientists don’t know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 11:18 PM
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How do scientists (Who are not male) know it is the healthy male human nature to want sex? There is no widely accepted measure of what is a healthy level for sex desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 11:15 PM
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You're dodging my question. This will be my final comment on the matter until you can stay on-topic and quit trying to change the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 11:06 PM
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Stay on-topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 11:03 PM
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OK, then if you were setting out to falsify the idea that "every woman has the capability to act in this manner if they are not doing so already," then how would you do so? Don't just say "observation or experimentation"; I need to know, specifically, what you would have to observe or measure in order to falsify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:55 PM
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I use the PPD definition The PPD definition of AWALT is: "This is an RP term used to denote the commonality of female human nature, and to act as a warning that every woman has the capability to act in this manner if they are not doing so already.” Before I continue, do we agree on this definition of AWALT for the sake of discussion? Just give me a "yes" or a "no"-- and if you give me a "no," then please correct me with what the "actual" PPD definition of AWALT is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:44 PM
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OK, so you don't actually have a definition of AWALT. Wish you would've mentioned this sooner instead of sending me on a wild goose chase to figure out what your definition of AWALT is. This will be my final comment on the matter unless you can cite your specific definition of AWALT for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:06 PM
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You’re getting off-topic again. How about you provide me with the definition of AWALT which you subscribe to so we can discuss that? Every time I produce a definition of AWALT— whether from a TRP EC or from the PPD glossary— you act like you don’t agree with the definitions I’m citing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:53 PM
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I did. Its definition of AWALT is: “This is an RP term used to denote the commonality of female human nature, and to act as a warning that every woman has the capability to act in this manner if they are not doing so already” Just like in the post I cited, those definitions immunize themselves from falsification, which is why they are pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:45 PM
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You disagree with this explanation of AWALT then? And this explanation of “holding frame?”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:41 PM
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The hypothesis “all women cheat” is falsifiable because in order to falsify it, one simply has to find a woman who has never cheated before. However, if I find a woman who has never cheated before, and I proceed to revise my hypothesis to “all women cheat; and if I find a woman who has never cheated before, she simply hasn’t cheated yet because all women cheat eventually” then this hypothesis is now unfalsifiable. There’s no imaginable way this hypothesis can be falsified through experimentation…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:22 PM
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Let’s stay on-topic: if I hypothesized that "all women cheat," how exactly could one prove such a claim false? This is an easy question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:53 AM
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Isn't it to prove a claim or a set of claims false by testing or observing it? Yes, but more specifically, if a theory or hypothesis is incapable of being proven false through experimentation, then that theory or hypothesis is consequentially considered "pseudoscience" and not worth entertaining. With that being said, if I hypothesized that "all women cheat," how exactly could one prove such a claim false?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:39 AM
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Why do you think I'm blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:31 AM
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Which plot are you referring to? Figure 2? Figure 2 is indeed a stronger correlation, but that one is plotting the relationship between a country’s health/development and sociosexual orientation; not women’s preferences for facial masculinity (figure 1).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 03:40 PM
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My point is that if they were in Leo’s shoes, they’d drive themselves crazy worrying about whether their supermodels were into them for their wealth or for their sexual prowess
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 03:19 PM
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Ehh that’s not really helpful either. If they’re failing they might conclude something doesn’t work, when in reality it does/can work but they’re just too incompetent to make it work
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 11:02 PM
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I think we’re getting off topic. Why would you take advice from someone with a track record of nothing but failures?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 03:41 PM
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You learn a lot from failure; but if you mostly experience failure and rarely experience success, you’re going to have a very skewed and biased experience. Additionally, your lack of success indicates that you still have much to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 03:15 PM
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They always gave me the Julius Caesar haircut no matter what haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:54 AM
1

It's been a very long time but I vaguely recall getting wrist pains from curling, even when using the EZ curl bars. Might be a different issue than you, but I was told that it was just my bones/tendons getting sore/stronger, and it takes a lot longer for that pain to go away compared to muscle pains. Seems like I had to deal with that for like 6 months. Hard to say though because that would've been over a decade ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:52 AM
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That's how my mentors taught me how to lift... for better or worse haha. One would say, "When you feel like your biceps feel like they're about to explode and be permanently damaged... that's when you know you gotta keep on currrrrrlin'!" And then he'd proceed to curl his bodyweight on the squat rack like a savage
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:43 AM
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Haha thanks but no, I started lifting in October 2008. By December 2008 I was 125 lbs and I stayed at that weight for the next 9 years until December 2017 when I finally decided to bulk up. I just elaborated on it here. I basically felt like I had reached my genetic potential when I was benching 210 lbs @ 125 lbs bodyweight and it felt unhealthy to keep increasing the weight-- I had to put a towel on my sternum because having that much weight on my dainty little body was so painful lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:31 AM
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Doesn't take long to go from 105lbs to 160lbs working out (those are the figures you gave). 2 years at most - 25lbs muscle gained 1st year, 15lbs muscle gained 2nd year, plus 15lbs of fat and water weight. No one is gaining all lean muscle, you always put on some fat, it's inevitable. There you have it - 105lbs to 160lbs. Not that difficult for anyone with a bit of time and dedication. I started lifting weights in 2008 when I was 18 years old and 105 lbs. I joined a fraternity in college and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:25 AM
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You mean weight gain? Gaining weight to a normal level definitely played a huge role, but it would be silly to attribute my results solely to that one variable. I've been doing online dating since 2012 and met literally hundreds of women from OKC, POF, Match, Tinder, and Bumble. I would usually meet at least 10 women, then take a break from online dating and try something differently a few months down the road on the next 10 dates to see if/how it affected my results. Gaining weight helped a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 12:28 AM
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I'm not claiming my advice is "the truth" or "scientific." I encourage you to take it with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 11:04 PM
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Depends on how you define "work." If you just want to find a cute girlfriend, the advice will still work even if you're a 5'2 balding Indian. But the more extraordinary results you want, the more extraordinary effort you'll have to put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 10:37 PM
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Are you actually a 5'2 balding Indian?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 10:25 PM
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I feel like you're shifting the goalposts. How can someone be "beta bucks" if they're having casual sex without offering any form of commitment? Seems like your idea of "beta bucks" is unfalsfiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:43 PM
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Then why are the same women who are complimenting my clothes also willing to have sex with me on the first date, and continue having casual sex with me despite me telling them I'm not looking for any kind of commitment? I feel like you're using beta bucks as a rationalization for not putting any effort into your clothing. You'd do a lot better with women if you threw "alpha" and "beta" out of your vocabulary
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:41 PM
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Then you have lots of room for improvement in those areas. You should be getting complimented/acknowledged for those traits consistently
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:29 PM
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I weighed 105 lbs at 5’8, got my hair cut at SportClips, and rocked the tennis shoes + cargo shorts combo. Bulked up to 160 lbs of mostly lean muscle, went to a professional stylist, and had my fashion-savvy friend completely revamp my wardrobe. If hot women don’t compliment your haircut, your haircut could be better. If hot women don’t compliment your outfit, your outfit could be better. If hot women don’t squeeze your arms or compliment your physique, your physique could be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:27 PM
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How often do attractive women compliment your hair or outfit? How often do they squeeze your arms?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:19 PM
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Seconding this. My success with women skyrocketed dramatically after getting a hairstylist, getting stylish clothes that fit, and getting my bodyweight to a normal level. Now whenever I’m out and about, I can’t help but look at 95% of men and think, “dude you look like you don’t know how to take care of yourself”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 09:06 PM
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If that's what she's thinking, I'd argue that it's because you weren't being clear with your intentions-- both verbally and non-verbally. You were probably sending mixed signals on some level which suggested to her that there's a possibility that you'd be willing to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 02:01 PM
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Play it safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 04:06 AM
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Why do they think that a relationship is a possibility? Are you not telling them ASAP that you're not looking for any kind of commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:52 AM
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Why aren't you striking while the iron is hot? If they're ready to jump your dick, what's stopping that from happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 01:00 AM
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I would have no issues with TRP believing whatever it is they want to believe if they weren't labeling it as "the truth" and claiming that it's scientific when it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 06:30 AM
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This. I don't think Reds seem to realize that they're in the same category as anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, or any other scientifically illiterate conspiracy group that claims to have uncovered "hidden truths" about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 12:25 AM
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It's in the introduction (page 12 in this pdf). Although I didn’t attend a ‘liberal arts university’ per se, my degree is in fine art. To start with, he's making scientific claims about things which he has no credentials/expertise in. If his writings were focused on the themes/motifs of masculinity and femininity in art, then maybe things would be different. Much of what I have compiled in this book is the direct result of over a decade of applying these schools of psychology to the gender dynam…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 10:40 PM
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I've read the first few pages of The Rational Male where Rollo admits that his claims are pseudoscientific. That was enough for me to realize it's essentially fiction and put the book down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 09:51 PM
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And the scientifically literate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 06:38 PM
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He also is very knowledgeable about women. That's debatable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 06:15 PM
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Yes-- I'd also argue that a woman's self-esteem probably plays a role. She might not feel like she's "good enough" for an assertive guy with a good head on his shoulders so she chooses the assertive thug instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 02:32 PM
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Agreed. I think the difference between victim blaming and accepting accountability/responsibility is that victim blaming is essentially offering unsolicited "constructive" criticism towards the victim. Basically: when you're the victim, it's in your best interest to victim blame yourself such that you can learn and adapt and not make the mistakes again in the future. But when someone else is the victim, it's in your best interest to keep your mouth shut and let them decide if they're going to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 02:28 PM
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But I think I get what you're saying; it isn't that these women like selling drugs or commit crimes; they like men who do because those men would display "alpha traits, and THAT is what the woman likes, not the actual crime shit they do. Is that what you mean? More or less. I don't like the term "alpha" though-- it's too vague, subjective, and pseudoscientific IMO. More specifically, I'd argue that an underlying trait that these women are attracted to is assertiveness. To take things a step furt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 02:24 PM
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Men see red flags and their dicks tell them to ignore them; women see red flags and somehow get turned on by them. What makes you think women are turned on by red flags, rather than being turned on in spite of those red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 02:06 PM
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That definition seems extremely vague and subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 09:16 PM
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How do you define "natural?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 08:23 PM
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That’s because men with good social skills don’t have any reason to study TRP or PUA; and TRP/PUA doesn’t really teach men strong social skills either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:55 PM
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“Have good social skills” is common sense (aka Blue Pill). Calling it a “Red Pill Truth” is a bit of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 07:46 PM
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I think in her mind, the ugly man is more likely to commit to a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:04 PM
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Women only want men with high carbon footprints!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 05:01 PM
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Those definitely play a role, but unless you're extremely behind the curve on those uncontrollable factors, they can be compensated for. Every day I see countless men who are like blocks of marble waiting to be chiseled into a work of art lol Your body composition (muscle:fat ratio), sense of style and grooming (clothing, haircut), and weight (dieting) are all things within your control which can dramatically boost your results. And that's just talking about physical traits. I think you're under…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:48 PM
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That's because RP in "nicer" terms is called BP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:27 PM
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With my earlier argument, I am presupposing that little can be done to move between the male sexual hierarchy, and there is no 'choice' to choose which group you belong to. This is the crux of the discussion. I firmly believe that almost any man can join the top 20%. 20% is only 1 in 5; it’s very achievable. The reason why they never get there isn’t because it’s unattainable; it’s because they have an external locus of control, which I wrote about here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:00 PM
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5'5, born with a dad bod, was always overweight. What's stopping you from getting in shape? Optimistic people usually concede that 20% of men are unsalvageable. That's 1 in 5 people-- that's way too common. The only men I see and view as "unsalvageable" usually have something extremely abnormally wrong with them, like severe mental health issues or a blatant physical deformity. Otherwise, their weight and body composition can be optimized, their grooming and clothes can be optimized, their socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 08:01 AM
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I think you're underestimating how simple it is to become physically attractive. You lift heavy weights at least 3 times per week to optimize your muscle:fat ratio, you diet properly, you go to a hairstylist and ask them to give you a fashionable haircut that fits you, and you have a fashionable friend take you shopping for a new wardrobe or you pay an image consultant to dress you. That's not all there is to it, though. Strong social skills are even more important IMO, and fortunately that's al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:48 AM
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It doesn't make you physically attractive but it signals intelligence/competence to women, which is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:32 AM
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I could compensate for a weak jawline with height, but I already have to compensate for my short height too. Sounds like we have something in common! I'm only 5'8 with a weak jawline. And to make matters worse, when I first started my whole self-improvement journey, I only weighed 105 lbs. At least half the male population can't looksmax to something satisfying enough to women. I disagree completely. I'd argue it's more like 1%, not 50%. It works the same with your persona and skills, most men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:27 AM
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Because there's tonnes of guys out there better looking, richer, funnier, smarter, more fun/charismatic, exciting than I will ever be (amongst other things). I feel like you're basically saying, "Right now I'm a 2/10, and it's better to remain a 2/10 than to become an 8/10 because I'll never be a 10/10." Doesn't that sound crazy to you? You can easily be in the top 20% of men within about 5 years of developing your social skills and physical attractiveness. Even before that, you'll feel better a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:18 AM
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As I said before I can improve but my best won't be sufficient How'd you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:05 AM
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That doesn't really match my experience. Some of my FWBs are in limerence with me (even though I've made it clear that I'm not looking for any kind of commitment). Other FWBs just want to come over, have sex, and then leave because they feel zero chemistry but they enjoy having sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 07:00 AM
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When OP says, But if women don't or rarely want to hookup with you, the only conclusion to be made is that you're not sexy to her. But if you're not sexy to her what is the point of dating her? He's implying that he actually has the option of dating her somehow, despite giving off zero sexual or romantic vibes to her. I'm saying that situation basically never happens outside of arranged marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:56 AM
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You can't make more money because you have a weak jaw? You can't develop strong social skills because you have a weak jaw? You can't go to the gym and develop a sexy physique because you have a weak jaw?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:54 AM
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I feel like you're just rationalizing your inability to satisfy your sexual/romantic needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:52 AM
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Sure, but my point is that there usually has to be some degree of sexual attraction or chemistry for a woman to want you to be her boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:51 AM
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What's stopping you from compensating for a weak jawline?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:50 AM
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Meh I'll still never be Chad. You do realize that Chad is both subjective and relative, right? Some women are infatuated with me from the get-go and they make things very easy for me. Other women just have zero interest in me. My job is to filter out the women who aren't interested and find the women who are interested. Nobody bats 1000. Even with the hookups I have had I'll never be Chad material so what's the point? Your attitude sucks dude. Don't you think your low self-confidence might be pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:47 AM
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Do you want to be seen as hookup material to women? Then put in the work to develop your physical attractiveness and social skills such that women will want to hook up with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:39 AM
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The mature males without access in their youth are still inferior to the other males and always will be inferior to the end The point is that it's his fault for not choosing to develop his dating skills later in life. If he wants to settle down, he should. But if he's going to resent the fact that she had fun sexual experiences before settling down while he didn't, that's nobody's fault but his own. He should go have fun sexual experiences and then settle down so he won't harbor any irrational j…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 10:35 PM
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Not true at all in my experience. It’s all about how you say it. I’ve slept with four new women in the past 2 months and I told every single one of them on the first date, “I’m going to be honest with you because I don’t want to lead you on— I’m not looking for any kind of commitment right now. I just want to meet cool girls and have fun.” Most men don’t have the balls or the nuance/social skills to be upfront with women without repulsing them so it’s a breath of fresh air to them when they’re a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:56 PM
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My point was that you can coach male sexual strategy positively, as long as you're not teaching men to be deceptive. This means that if you're not looking for any kind of commitment, you let the women know ASAP such that you're not leading them on and so you can focus on women who are also not looking for any kind of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:48 PM
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What exactly is your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:43 PM
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I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:40 PM
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There’s no single, unifying “female strategy.” Every woman has her own unique strategy and priorities. Your job as a man is to filter out the women whose priorities are incompatible with your own, while looking for women who are on the same page as you— whether you’re looking for a one night stand, a friend with benefits, or a future wife to settle down with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 05:49 PM
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I don’t think partner attractiveness is likely to be the culprit compared to things like alcohol, stupidity, and politeness. By “politeness,” I mean a lack of assertiveness— being unwilling to refuse condomless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:42 PM
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No. But I think there’s a small percentage of evil women out there who have no qualms about tricking men into getting them pregnant because they’re desperate to have children. In cases like that, it’s less about being super attracted to the man and more about desperately trying to have a child, regardless of whether or not she’s equipped to take care of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:34 PM
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I'm asking which category of men would women be more likely to have condomless sex with There’s zero scientific evidence that alpha/beta males exist in humans. Why just the men? If you’re a man, you have complete control over your decision to use a condom, and consequently your risk of STDs and unplanned pregnancies essentially drops to 0% if you’re vigilant. You don’t have to worry about whether or not she’s on birth control if you use a condom. I always make sure she doesn’t have any STDs firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:25 PM
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If you’re a man having casual sex without a condom, you’re a dumbass. "alphas", because of compulsive attraction to their raw masculinity/wanting to breed with them, or "betas", because more reliable/likely to stick around in case of pregnancy? ???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:13 PM
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That ship hasn’t sailed unless you waited till your late 30s/mid 40s to start focusing on self-improvement IMO. I think half of it is maximizing physical appearance and the other half is maximizing social skills/emotional intelligence. Good news is both can be trained/learned. Bad news is, it can take up to 5 years per trait to go from below average to above average, depending on how far behind the curve you are starting out, and how far ahead of the curve you want to end up. That’s been my expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:26 AM
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What's stopping you from becoming more physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:58 AM
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You should be asking your real life friends this question. Strangers on the internet can’t help you out here— they don’t know what you look like, what your personality is like, how you behave around others, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 03:08 PM
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I feel like you’re implying that there’s a single, unifying answer to your question. There isn’t. Anybody who tells you that they hold the secret to “women’s true nature” is full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 03:01 PM
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You can have bad experiences with women without being traumatized and without transforming into a paranoid misogynist, though. There's definitely something wrong with the men who read TRP unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 08:47 PM
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Why would someone take TRP seriously if they had a ton of experience with women that wasn't traumatic?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:45 PM
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That's like saying, "I'd rather learn how to handle spiders from the guy who has severe arachnophobia as a result of a traumatic experience with a spider in his past, rather than Steve Irwin"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:40 PM
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Your three categories are funny. It's just your prejudice and hatred that prevents you from really thinking about the issues. Feel free to elaborate as to why you think that, or to give examples that I failed to mention. TRP said to stop perusing women who play hard to get because women are not worth the false rape charges. What?? Why are you afraid of false rape charges? What does that have to do with this discussion? Ha, no, we do not like the dance. It is just something some women require. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:44 PM
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That is all advice I have heard from women as well. Many like persistence. The problem is that you have to be able to tell when the rejection is hard, or simple playing hard to get. Yes, you should be able to tell, on a visceral level, whether or not a woman wants you to persist based on her nonverbal signals. I'd argue that the men who read TRP fall into at least one of the following three categories: They never receive these signals to begin with because they are unattractive They receive and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:39 PM
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The removed comment? I don't see what you are talking about. No, I'm talking about the OP: #1. You approach her, say hi, and she makes a weird face, or pretends to ignore you. Simply keep talking as if you expect her to talk back. #2. You’re talking to a girl and she acts indifferent or aloof, only gives you one word answers, or keeps looking off into the distance Again, you simply have to ENDURE IT. Keep talking #3. You’re talking to a girl and she leaves to go to the bathroom, says “I have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:06 PM
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If a girl says no, go find a different girl. What? This is the 2nd-highest-upvoted TRP post of all time. It tells men that if she says no, then they should keep trying because she's just testing your masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 12:26 PM
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I don't think the issue is control, but fairness in a lot of the manosphere though. It isn't just that men throw thier hands up and call dating impossible, it's that they look at the kind of effort that they would need to put forth to approach the level of dating success that women and attractive men have by default and become frustrated. I think worrying about fairness is a trap because the world is inherently unfair. If you're like me, you're going to have to work harder than average to get wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 09:30 PM
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you are looking at men who other men admire (pretty weird, but okay), and one reason why: essentially that they are romantically fulfilled by women. :) okay. As as a “control group” to compare MGTOWs/incels to, yes, since MGTOWs and incels constitute a tiny minority of men. that people who follow mgtow don't seem happy. from what you've read of their PPD posts, they seem the opposite. I'm guessing you also think the same of incel, although you don't state it. Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 12:11 PM
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I know— I went years without getting laid, despite going on dozens of first dates. I persevered because I believed if I worked hard enough and kept trying different things, eventually things would click. And they did. To be fair, one has to examine how realistic their goals are. My goal was just to be able to have casual sex consistently— something that countless men have proved to be possible, so why couldn’t I? If I were trying to be a world-famous actor or win the lottery, then I’d argue that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 11:50 AM
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You’re right— I don’t visit MGTOW or incel subs at all. But the incels and MGTOWs who post on PPD are notorious for whining and complaining, which indicates an extreme external LOC. This post was inspired by those users. I’m also arguing that being a MGTOW or an incel is a symptom of having an external locus of control.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 11:37 AM
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You could argue that MGTOW in theory is internal LOC but in practice I think most MGTOWs tend to have an external LOC. Success with women, to them, is something beyond their control (external locus of control), so they’re adapting (internal LOC) by essentially giving up on women. I’d argue that if MGTOWs truly had an internal LOC, they wouldn’t be MGTOWs at all; they’d be romantically and sexually fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 11:24 AM
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It’s about perspective IMO. In order to get over my fear of rejection, I worked in sales for 6 months, getting rejected by 100-150 people per day just to find 1-2 interested clients. I framed it as, “I’m guaranteed to get a sale if I can get rejected 100 times.” Or, since the commission for a sale was around $100, I’d view every rejection as +$1. When I taught myself how to date via online dating, I took the same approach. I tracked how many conversations it took me to find a girl interested in …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 11:08 AM
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As they say, “Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.” I think too many people view things which they can change as things they cannot change (e.g. their sexual success), which is why I wrote this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:48 AM
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I thought I covered that when I wrote: The gist of having an internal locus of control isn't necessarily blaming yourself for everything or thinking that everything's your fault, because sometimes it truly isn't your fault. But, you do get to choose how you're going to react to things that aren't your fault. The key thing to keep in mind is: when things are going well, if you want to have an internal locus of control you ask yourself, "What can I keep doing to keep things going well like this?" …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:33 AM
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It's when a woman is too feminine for her own good, to the point where her femininity has a negative impact on her life. For example, if a girl's been raised to be polite and agreeable, but she's alone with a guy who's pressuring her into sleeping with him. She doesn't want to sleep with him, but she also wants to be polite and agreeable, so she caves in and sleeps with him. That would be toxic femininity IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:29 AM
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You can't control your genetics but you can control how you use them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:18 AM
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I don't think so-- a lot of men's frame is "Life is unfair and it's not my fault that things are going poorly for me!" (which is an external LOC)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:17 AM
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply! This is basically just an irrefutable statement and not really an opinion, so nobody here can change your mind. I think it's refutable-- you could provide evidence demonstrating the superiority/efficacy of having an external locus of control or the downsides of having an internal locus of control. First, you're targeting men. Men are MORE likely to have an internal locus of control compared to women.. Yes I know, you're arguing that the men who have more external…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:09 AM
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I don't think they're the same thing-- frame is about how strongly you hold your beliefs (regardless of if your beliefs come from an external LOC or an internal LOC) and how willing you are to change your mind about things in the presence of a person challenging your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:59 AM
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I never said having an internal locus of control is the “sexiest” trait a man can have. I said it’s the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:49 AM
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Yes there’s plenty of inventions that dramatically improved our wellbeing with minimal downsides/opportunity cost. Lifelong monogamy is not one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 06:11 AM
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Yes, almost every woman will describe her partner as an "alpha male" regardless of any evidence to the contrary. This is good news for men IMO since it suggests that women can fall in love with traditionally non-masculine men for all kinds of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 12:31 AM
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In other words: masculinity is a subjective trait based on who you ask
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 12:20 AM
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Disagree-- spend 5 minutes in Walmart and you'll see plenty of ugly women with their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:21 PM
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It's all relative and there's always a bigger fish out there. Girls who are average are comparing themselves to hot women. Hot women are comparing themselves to supermodels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 10:43 PM
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That same thing could be said for women’s beauty standards. If you’re get shitty results, it’s nobody’s fault but your own
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:39 PM
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Yes people are slowly beginning to realize that human beings were never wired to be monogamous for the rest of their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:37 PM
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Average and below average dudes get married all the time by marrying their relative equals. The ones who don’t tend to have set their standards too high and dramatically overestimate their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:34 PM
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It sounds like you project zero sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:31 PM
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There’s never been a better time to be a man. Most men don’t really want to take advantage of this opportunity though for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:12 PM
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You have sex with 4 out of the 5 women whose numbers you receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:52 AM
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Correct— making out and getting phone numbers doesn’t really mean anything. Out of all the women whose numbers you’ve received, how many of them did you sleep with? How many make outs have led to sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:45 AM
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Sounds like didn’t make an indelible impression on those women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:33 AM
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Those two needs aren’t mutually exclusive. I spent my 20s essentially striving to become a guy that could get laid consistently. It was a deeply fulfilling experience because of all the experiences, failures, and successes I had along the way. I was 105 lbs at 5’8 when I started. Now I’m lean and muscular at 160 lbs. I had anxiety issues talking to strangers so I worked in door to door sales for 6 months to learn how to talk to strangers. I didn’t know how to meet women from online dating so I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:27 AM
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Better to give her your number rather than asking for hers IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:06 AM
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My point was that this discussion is about men reading women’s signals and boundaries; not women disregarding men’s boundaries. Within a sexual/romantic context, women will usually send signals of their boundaries mostly via body language. If they’re more confident and assertive they’ll just straight up tell you. If I’m on a date with a girl I’m interested in, I’ll usually make some kind of sexual quip, or I’ll just playfully tap her shoulder for half a second, or I’ll give her sexual eye contac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 10:29 PM
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I feel like you’ve gone off on a tangent that doesn’t have anything to do with this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:45 PM
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You’ve never experienced an unmistakable signal from a woman that she’s into you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:38 PM
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Metoo only applies to you if you’re either a celebrity or an employer who’s hitting on his subordinates
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:28 PM
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They’re not subtle at all— you should know unmistakably, on a visceral level, if a girl is into you just by the way she looks at you and talks to you. If you have to guess, she’s not that into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:03 PM
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Do you have a hard time recognizing women's signals and boundaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:42 PM
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My point was that when men whine, it seems to viscerally repel a lot of women... whereas when women whine, men don't seem to experience that same level of disgust. Some men even react positively to it for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:53 AM
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I'm curious about their methodology. How did they categorize Maximizers and Satisfiers? And how did they measure attractiveness and status?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 12:16 AM
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What specific problems do men experience with regards to women which they can’t solve themselves as individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 10:47 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 07:26 AM
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Was the only benefit with these women sex? Im curious. As a female, should I say I’ve met men who had a substantial amount of money? lol I know you mean no harm by it but it makes me cringe when a guy says “I went from having sex once a year to thirteen times a month!” Like that’s all that’s important? No, just having female companionship/friendship in general is nice. I was emphasizing sex in the previous comment to appeal to the PPD userbase lol Did you learn how to really listen and meet peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 06:23 AM
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Was it hilarious because he was being satirical or hilarious because he unironically believed in the shit he wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 04:00 AM
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In regard to my post it really doesn't matter. Yes it does. Your whole post is dependent upon you providing us with an example of a goal that we can discuss; otherwise your claim is unfalsifiable and this discussion can't go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 01:47 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 01:43 AM
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Well first things first: we need to define "success" and "failure," because it's going to vary from person to person. Everyone has their own personal, subjective idea of what success and failure is. If your idea of success is banging a new supermodel without spending money every night of the week, most men are never going to be in that top .0001% even if they do everything 100% correctly. But if you just want to have the ability to sleep with a girl you're sexually attracted to in under a month …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 01:34 AM
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IDK who IllimitableMan is but he seems like the generic brand version of Rollo Tomassi. They're both old dudes with no game but are good at marketing and selling pseudoscience to scientifically illiterate men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 12:58 AM
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It hasn't really affected my view in any significant way. I take everyone's opinions on PPD with a grain of salt because I don't know anything about them. I don't know what their personality IRL is like, what they look like, how old they are, where they're from, etc. I think allowing my beliefs to be influenced by others whom I know so little about is a bad idea, and that's how a lot of people who spend too much time on the internet develop warped perceptions of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:55 PM
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I don't know what that means lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:08 PM
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I agree that the two aren't mutually exclusive. But using manipulation is essentially a crutch for those who are unable or unwilling to put in the time/effort required to be able to get what they want without having to resort to manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:05 PM
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I know. Sucks for them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:02 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/d70ma8/is_there_any_difference_between_puaredpill/f0wr3ix/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:01 PM
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I’m arguing that they’d be happier if they didn’t lie to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 11:01 PM
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Yes, there's degrees of manipulation. I'm not so much talking about manipulation as I'm talking about deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:55 PM
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That means it's immoral to many people
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:54 PM
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My conscience rewards bad behavior with guilt, unhappiness, and nonfulfillment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:11 PM
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Do you not have any friends or loved ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:51 PM
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An attractive man is by definition one that attracts women: If enacting a certain set of behaviors makes you attract more women, you have become more attractive, even if it doesn't mean becoming more moral, successive, physically attractive. I agree with you in theory but in practice I don't think that's how it usually works out. Unless you have antisocial personality disorder, being manipulative and dishonest is unsustainable and will likely have a negative effect on your overall sense of happi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:39 PM
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I've got another saying for you..."you only live once'. By following your logic one will lose out on opportunities that others sieze. Unless you believe in an afterlife, I think it's useless moral masturbation to not so sieze. Yes, and you're losing out on the opportunity to become genuinely attractive because you're spending your time and energy on mastering the art of manipulation rather than the art of self-improvement. But you do you boo. I'm being very civil with you. If you can't return th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:33 PM
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I actually experimented with this a lot in 2016-2017. I was testing out Alan Roger Currie's "Mode One" system (Google it). It essentially centered around the concept of "radical honesty"-- speaking exactly what was on your mind and getting straight to the point. It worked on a couple of women... out of hundreds/thousands. And these women were of lower quality than normal (in terms of physical attractiveness). They were also extremely sexually open minded and promiscuous. The opportunity cost of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:07 PM
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I think most men are simply unable to find the healthy middle ground between "emotionless robot" and "oversharing pussy"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:54 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. It's much better to put in the work to actually become an attractive man, rather than learning how to pretend to be an attractive man, which is what manipulation is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:47 PM
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Men whining in general is unattractive-- it indicates a lack of control over their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:45 PM
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How often are you having sex with new women? I hook up with about 4 new women per month. I meet about 1-5 new women per week via online dating. I don't view it as rejection because I don't view every first date as a "test" regarding whether or not I can get laid-- I view it as checking to see if there's any chemistry between us. Sometimes there simply isn't any chemistry because we just aren't compatible. This doesn't bother me at all because I know that I'll be getting laid with a new woman who…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:23 PM
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If you're getting laid regularly, it's not so much "rejection" as it is "incompatibility." It's a subtle, but important, distinction to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:06 PM
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This matches my experience. A lot of my FBs have had a subtle sense of entitlement regarding their sexuality and beauty, and would be shocked/offended (yet slightly intrigued) when I’d indicate that they can’t control me with their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:10 PM
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Rush concerts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:48 AM
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I mostly agree. Small talk demonstrates whether or not you possess a baseline level of social intelligence. If you’re bad at making small talk, this is a critical life skill that you need to teach yourself! It benefits your career, dating life, and day-to-day life in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 07:37 PM
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How'd you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:05 PM
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Yep that's what I did too. It's sad that many people on here seem to view emotional intelligence as both unattainable and undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:02 PM
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I want to add, many times I've had girls tell me they had crushes on me, but too late. They all waited me to move. Many women still tell me that men have to pursue them, even at 30 years old. We'll have to agree to disagree then if that's what you consider "getting friendzoned"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:03 PM
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That magnetic personality you talk about is "being good looking" That's not true-- it's about having strong social skills and high emotional intelligence. When I was 22 I weighed 125 lbs at 5'8 and I had girls throwing themselves at me after getting to know me over the course of several months at work. They weren't interested in me at all to begin with because I was a scrawny nerd. But I knew how to command a room and had a quick wit, which drew them to me. As one of them said, "I bet you have n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:55 PM
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This is good advice for men who have strong social skills and are emotionally intelligent. With that said, given the demographics of this subreddit, most men on here will disagree with your advice since they lack the tools to follow your advice correctly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:37 PM
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It sounds like you don't really have the personality to attract women despite giving off platonic vibes. If you have a magnetic personality, women will pursue you and take initiative despite receiving zero sexual/romantic interest from you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:35 PM
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$200 is how much it should cost you to meet 10 women for drinks. If you’re not getting anywhere with 10 different women, you’re doing something wrong. Nobody should ever be doing dinner for a first date
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:29 PM
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Hard to say-- I've never let out tears in front of others unless I'm drunk. In that instance, though, being compassionate would probably count as being vulnerable. But generally speaking, I don't think being compassionate is the same thing as being vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 06:51 PM
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What do you mean by “compassionate?” Can you give a specific example?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 06:41 PM
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It’s fine to be vulnerable as long as you also explain either how you overcame your vulnerability or how you’re actively working on overcoming your vulnerabilities. Otherwise, you’re just complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 06:22 PM
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There's degrees of neediness. Getting pissed at her and spamming her is never a sign of a healthy, committed relationship. As you get older, you'll learn to navigate the grey area between "too needy" and "too avoidant"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:45 PM
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Sounds like you were being very needy, which repelled her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:38 PM
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You can ask her 6-12 months later when things have cooled off and you'll have a better chance of getting a straight answer. You can also ask her friends about it. Even without talking to anyone, you'll probably have a better perspective on what you did wrong in the future when your emotions aren't clouding your judgment and you've gained more experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:33 PM
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You're still operating under the assumption that her cheating was caused by his actions Not necessarily. But if he's choosing to date two women in a row who both don't value loyalty, perhaps he should examine the type of women he chooses to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:47 PM
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No, I don't think things are black and white. I think some women might choose to cheat, other women might choose to dump him first, other women might try to get him to dump her first. Regardless, if you're in his shoes, you should figure out where things went wrong, why they went wrong, and what you can do differently in future relationships to avoid making the same mistake a 3rd time in a row.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:01 PM
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Look the point is, everyone has the capacity to cheat. Men and women both. As a man, if you dont want to be cheated on, its your responsibility to behave in such a way that it doesnt happen, and heres some guidelines to do it. If you do get cheated on its because your behaviour wasnt correct, so its always your fault, even when it isn't. That advice isn't exclusive to TRP though. That's common dating knowledge (aka blue pill).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:33 PM
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I feel like if you're getting cheated on twice in a row, the question shouldn't be "so this is female nature?" as much as, "what am I doing wrong to drive two women to cheat on me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:50 PM
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I don't know how applicable that adage is here-- I think to the "normal guy," TRP is in the same category as flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, and other pseudosciences/conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:11 PM
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TRP was designed for normal guys like me who never had a problem getting girlfriends but didn't manage things all that well. Most of us do not want to leave wreckage behind us. If you "spin plates" successfully, you don't. My argument is that if you read TRP and you buy into it, you're not a "normal guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:50 PM
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You have to keep in mind that TRP is a very niched group compared to the rest of the male population. TRP caters to men who have abnormally high sex drives and abnormally low emotional intelligence. Most of its posters also don't know what a vagina feels like. With that in mind, if you don't fit into any of those criteria and you explore TRP hoping to learn about women, you're going to be absorbing a lot of misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 05:54 PM
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Yes it does— that’s literally the definition of paranoia: an unrealistic distrust of others or a feeling of being persecuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 05:46 PM
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Let’s not put our faith into the guys on Reddit comparing notes about how women treat them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 05:40 PM
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Through flirting, seduction tactics, talking to them, idk, how anyone tries. I sure as hell don’t act like a beta and try to be friends and shit. Ugh dude this makes me cringe-- don't say shit like that lol. You realize that having a friend with benefits means you have to be someone's friend right? You can still be friendly with women you want to hook up with, as long as you're also being assertive. I have a feeling that when you're trying to hit on women you like, you're doing so in a very weir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 09:37 PM
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How are you meeting women that you want to sleep with? How are you trying to sleep with them? How do they know you want to sleep with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 05:23 PM
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I currently have two friends with benefits who come over to fuck, watch tv, then leave. I’m polyamorous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 11:17 PM
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Sigh, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Believe what you want-- I'll be over here having sex on the first date without spending any money, without being extraordinary, and by just being a good listener and telling women what I'm looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 10:21 PM
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Many men have "sensed" wrong and been called creeps. There's very much a nonzero chance that she's uncomfortable, you're not reading it correctly and by just "going in for" it you are effectively part of the #metoo problem. Yes, I'd argue that these men fall into at least one of the following 3 categories: Low emotional intelligence (which is a creepy trait) and genuinely struggles to decipher body language and nonverbal cues Unattractive and consequently have never felt the visceral, unmistakab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 10:14 PM
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Just because you've never experienced it yourself, that doesn't mean it's impossible. If I recall correctly you have below-average empathy, correct? I suspect that plays a large role in this. If you can't empathize with women or read their nonverbal cues easily, it's going to be a lot harder to do certain things which come naturally to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 10:01 PM
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You don't think you can get casual sex and friends with benefits like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 09:42 PM
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The key difference here is that your friends are in their 30s, and for whatever reason, still haven't changed. It's laudable that this guy recognized that he needed to change when he was only 17, and didn't spend his 20s and 30s blaming everyone else for his lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:30 PM
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Doesn't that make you skeptical of TRP's claims about hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:23 PM
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So you run into this paradox where the best way to romantically interact with women is to project that you really don't care too much what they think, but women will also do everything in thier social power to make you care what they think. A lot. To the point of well funded, well entrenched political ideology. So the result is that men that actually don't give a shit about women, despite the pressure, often get laid like tile, and the men that do give a lot of shits about women can't get laid, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:18 PM
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Ehh, I'd argue that it really isn't that difficult to become attractive on online dating. The reason why the narrative on PPD is that it's an uphill battle is because most people on Reddit/PPD/TRP are abnormally below-average/median men. Think about it, you really just need: An average bodyweight Visit a cool hairstylist once a month Dress fashionably Have normal social skills. Those things are very simple for the average man to achieve. But when I picture the people I'm arguing with on Reddit, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:13 PM
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TRP is pseudoscience though. The people who believe that it’s “the truth” tend to be scientifically illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 07:59 PM
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I feel like this is confirmation bias. You’ve never met any women that dated down? You’ve never met any men that dated up?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 07:56 PM
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Would you describe yourself as having below-average empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 12:57 PM
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100% honesty, aka “radical honesty” is very impractical— if you’re that honest, speaking your mind with zero filter, you will be perceived as having very poor social skills. Ask me how I know ;) That said, it’s ideal to be as honest about your desires, needs, and intentions when dating as opposed to being radically honest or deceptive. I tell women very early on “I’m not looking for any kind of commitment right now— I just want to meet cool girls and have fun.” This tells women that I’m just loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 12:44 AM
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I’ve only had sex with women whom I considered attractive. I’ve slept with women who had a bit of a gut (but with sexy faces, big boobs, and a nice ass), so they could be considered “fat” by some... but never obese women. I have two FWBs right now. They’re both very sexy (in their mid-20s, slim waists, big boobs, big asses, pretty faces) but one seems emotional volatile. I told her after the second time we slept together that I wasn’t looking for any kind of commitment right now— I just wanted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:59 PM
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My type has always varied based on my mood and which (free) website I’m using, but I feel like I identify closest with INFJ/INTJ.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:45 PM
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This thread is specifically dedicated to the technicalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:41 PM
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I feel like you’re being extremely black and white about this. Does knocking up a bunch of random women sound like a fulfilling life to you? You don’t think that’s going to come back to haunt you and affect your wellbeing later on? Similarly, you don’t think it’s possible to have multiple, casual sexual adventures with attractive women despite being light triad? You’d be surprised how many hot women are down for either being a one night stand or a friend with benefits if you just tell them what …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:34 PM
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Thanks! Yes I understand why MBTI can be alluring— I have a degree in psychology and loved discussing the MBTI amongst friends when I was younger. But I found that time and time again, people will constantly behave in unpredictable ways contradictory to their MBTI profiles, which is why I take it with a grain of salt nowadays. In other words, I’ve found that I can predict others’ behaviors better based on how I’ve witnessed them behaving over years’ (and sometimes decades’) worth of observations…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:30 PM
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Depends on how you define “wins.” If you define “wins” by n-count, perhaps dark triad has the edge. But if you define “wins” by happiness, dark triad loses hard. People tend to downplay the opportunity cost of dark triad— the emotional ups and downs, the drama, the stressors, and overall unhappiness caused by having a dark personality triad type— woes which could be completely avoided by having a more normalized personality whilst still achieving sexual satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:24 PM
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How do you know that 90% of Redditors are N-types?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:12 PM
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Yes but all of those traits you mentioned are extremely contextual and subjective. IMO, it’s better to analyze people solely as individuals while constantly adjusting your perception of them as you get to know them better, as opposed to trying to squeeze them into a box (e.g. MBTI types, the alpha/beta dichotomy, etc). By squeezing them into the box, you’ll constantly be perplexing yourself as to why they aren’t behaving how they “should” IME
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:11 PM
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Why do you think that dominant types towards S and N are very real and very predictable?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:54 PM
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I agree— I don’t think it’s intellectually honest of people to claim that TRP is solely about self-improvement without a heavy dose of misogyny or pro-dark triad behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:49 PM
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I’m a pretty harsh critic of the over-generalizations here at PPD. MBTI is no exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:29 PM
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Then we agree that it lacks predictive power?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:19 PM
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My argument is that if you treat MBTI with a grain of salt due to its inability to stand up to scientific scrutiny, then you can’t really consider it a useful tool for anything. If it were a useful tool for anything (e.g. if it actually had predictive power), then it wouldn’t be considered pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:06 PM
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No— self-assessment alone isn’t considered to be a valid assessment for similar reasons as to why we consider anecdotal evidence to be among the weakest forms of data. The human brain is notoriously susceptible to psychological suggestion, bias, the placebo effect and so on. Ideally you would have multiple forms of assessment to supplement self-assessment, as outlined here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 07:55 PM
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That’s the point though— self-assessment is very fickle and unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 07:44 PM
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I don’t think that’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 07:42 PM
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I feel like I’ve personally offended you. Sorry but I’m going to remain skeptical towards the MBTI’s predictive power until the scientific community suggests otherwise. This will be my final comment on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:00 PM
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I think you have things backwards. The onus is on the MBTI to demonstrate its predictive power. As of 2019 there is no evidence to suggest it is an accurate predictor of the things it claims to predict. Just Google “MBTI predictive power” if you’d like more details, there’s been plenty of research on the topic over the past decades. It’s been debunked as a pseudoscience for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:39 PM
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Don’t you find it a bit silly to deduce and compartmentalize a person’s entire personality based on two Reddit comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:28 PM
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Not trying to make a joke, just stating the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:26 PM
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I’m an XXXX
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:23 PM
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MBTI is pseudoscience— treat it with the same skepticism as you would towards horoscopes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:12 PM
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Also, incel isn't something that someone identifies as Ehh I disagree with that. There’s the guy who can’t get laid and wishes he could— but is otherwise a pretty normal guy. And there’s the guy who can’t get laid and wishes he could— and then bases his entire self-worth and identity around this one aspect of his life. This is the guy that spends all day complaining on the internet, nurturing his demons until he’s completely lost his mind. They’re both technically incels. But they’re very differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:47 AM
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What? Online dating is a godsend for introverts
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:24 AM
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Dating apps work great— problem is most low value men are batting out of their league and unwilling to date the women of equal (low) mate value. These men should meet women via groups/social circle where their personalities and skills can compensate for other deficiencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:23 AM
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I think you’re underestimating how impractical it is for women to date men who are too tall for them— they are awkward to kiss, dance with, have sex with, etc. There’s definitely such a thing as “too tall”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:59 AM
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“Average male height” is too vague. Average male height in what context? This is what I mean by how people don’t have very specific ideas in mind with regards to terms like this. Average male height is going to vary dramatically based on demographics, location, etc. And 6' has been popularly considered "pretty tall" since at least the 70s. The answer is a bit more complex and nuanced but it's still high-school level algebra at its hardest, not freaking rocket science. 6’ is an arbitrary number w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:47 AM
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Judgemental people have black or white thinking Aren’t you doing the same thing that you’re accusing others of doing? Painting with a broad brush?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:40 AM
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Where are you pulling all these figures from?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 05:32 AM
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The problem is a claim like “women prefer tall men” is very vague and subjective. When you start trying to get specific, things get complicated. How tall is tall? Is it absolute (e.g. 6’0” or taller)? Is it relative (e.g. just 10% taller than the woman)? Can anything compensate for shortness? Is there such a thing as “too tall?” These are the kinds of questions that I don’t think many people think about, so as a result, there’s this tornado of misinformation regarding vague, subjective terms suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 04:44 AM
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This is beautifully written, well done! I think a lot of highly empathetic men find TRP because they’re too nice for their own good, to the point where they become doormats. But instead of learning how to be both empathetic and assertive, they fall into the trap of thinking they need to do a complete 180 and become an insensitive asshole. TRP does men a disservice by incorrectly pedestalizing antisocial behaviors IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 07:55 PM
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I wouldn’t straight up ask women to have sex— that’s too on the nose. It has worked for me in the past though— but those women tended to be very high sex drive and sexually-openminded (a.k.a. “slutty” 😂). I quit being that sexually aggressive/upfront because the women receptive to that degree of straightforwardness are rare and not worth scaring off the other women which would have sex if you were a bit smoother and more nuanced. Women will perceive being extremely direct like that as having poo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 08:33 PM
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Why are you giving people advice about things which you have no track record of success with? Why do you trust TRP advice when it clearly doesn’t work?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 05:37 PM
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Then your problem is you’re an ineffective man. What exactly are you offering women? You need to spend less time trying to date women and more time on self-improvement because right now you’re only capable of scoring equally-unattractive women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 04:59 PM
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That’s because you’re cold approaching instead of meeting women via online dating or groups
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 04:20 PM
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How do you explain it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:49 PM
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How do you explain women choosing a man who’s 5’8 over a man who’s 6’2?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:27 PM
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Have a friend that took Red Pill dating advice as gospel for a while. Became less happy despite getting laid. Got laid more and became happier after abandoning the Red Pill philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 07:29 AM
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Creepiness is subjective and there's degrees of creepiness. My argument is that if you're doing things correctly, you should rarely get accused of being creepy. Getting called creepy usually suggests that you're doing something abnormally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 11:23 PM
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My point was that you seemed to be playing the victim, claiming that your creep label was unwarranted when that's not really the case here. Instead of asking yourself, "What did I do to make them think I was creepy," you seemed to think, "I guess creepiness is inevitable if I need to get laid. I guess I better get used to getting called a creep." Your creepiness is an underlying symptom of bad game IMO. I think you'd get laid more consistently, with higher quality women, if you acknowledged that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:45 PM
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Sometimes I wait for "signals", sometimes I don't. And in this case you didn't, which is why they thought you were creepy. It's not because you "exist near them."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:22 PM
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I have a feeling your social skills/emotional intelligence aren't quite up to snuff >_>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:55 PM
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That may be true but your post heavily implied that you haven't found much success with women through groups or by "being nice" though. The group you join is very important-- you want to join groups where there will be a good ratio of attractive women to men. I joined an improv class several months ago. I've got very strong social skills and a quick wit so I was literally just "being myself" and "being nice" to all the women-- as well as being a little bit flirtatious-- and sure enough, after th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:47 PM
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I had a first date last night tell me that the way I was looking at her was making her uncomfortable. I was giving her a very flirtatious smirk and staring directly into her eyes. I asked her if it was a good or bad discomfort— she said it was a good discomfort and I was making her blush. We ended up going home together and fucking like rabbits without any resistance. She was on the fence about going home with me so I told her the truth: “I don’t want to lead you on or pressure you into doing an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:40 PM
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Sounds like you’re just joining the wrong groups and not conveying any evidence of sexuality or flirtation for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 07:19 AM
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What's the context?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 02:15 AM
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I'd take strangers' opinions on the internet with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 04:46 PM
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Those people don't sound like they have high emotional intelligence-- they seem to lack self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 04:34 PM
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I could write an essay about EQ but it essentially boils down to: having high EQ while maintaining the ability to lead and be assertive is generally the optimal combination and will have access to more, higher quality partners than any other combination
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 04:27 PM
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Ehh there’s a lot of under-sexed dudes on this forum that would kill to be someone’s dildo 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 04:16 PM
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I think you’re conflating high EQ with being a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 04:14 PM
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I don’t think you realize that catcalling signals poor social skills and low emotional intelligence— both of which are huge turn-offs for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 03:52 PM
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The nerdy guy in the example we're discussing has a girlfriend and the alpha guy is in jail, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 09:33 PM
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If you think the skinny effeminate nerd who gets to do what he loves (playing video games and fucking his girlfriend in his favorite position) seems less happy and successful than the guy who's in jail then we'll have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:52 PM
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I think you're conflating "masculinity" with "attractiveness." The two can frequently go hand-in-hand, but not always. I'm not a fan of terms like "toxic masculinity" since they're so vague and subjective-- AFAIK there's no single concrete definition of toxic masculinity since everyone has their own interpretation of what it means. The same could be said for terms like "rape culture," "alpha male," and "AWALT." To me, toxic masculinity essentially describes a man who's too masculine for his own …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:24 PM
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My point was you gave a very odd analogy given the nature of your beliefs... The skinny effeminate nerd gets to do what he loves-- he gets to play video games and fuck his girlfriend in his favorite position The macho man, on the other hand: has no freedom because he's in jail has kids which he can't raise is a slave to his emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:05 PM
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One could argue that there's some kind of omnipotent deity pulling the strings and programming us. There's no way to prove or disprove that though. Philosophers, psychologists, and neuroscientists still can't agree on whether or not everything we do and believe can be boiled down to our chemical composition. Regardless, I think most people (regardless of political/philosophical leanings) would agree with your quote-- not necessarily because it's the truth, but more because it can't really be pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:58 PM
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"All your F ing behavior or comes from your F-ing environment or your F-ing biology, or yout F-ing mind there is no other option".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:46 PM
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That claim seems unfalsifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:42 PM
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I don’t think those two are mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:26 PM
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The skinny effeminate nerd seems happier and more successful >_>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:23 PM
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Rollo’s basically guilty of the same thing he’s accusing feminism of: telling other people how they’re supposed to feel
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:19 PM
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To be fair, the thread is tagged CMV. But also, if you agree with Rollo, you’re probably a scientifically illiterate conspiracy theorist 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:04 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:15 PM
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It's fun to discuss and observe others' opinions on dating since most of my friends and acquaintances IRL don't really find dating that fascinating. That said, I think it's very important to take most posters' opinions on here with a grain of salt. If your goal is to understand "the truth" about social dynamics, you're wasting your time trying to get that kind of information on Reddit. That sort of understanding (and all of its nuances) can really only be developed through lots of different firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 01:28 AM
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By thinking the systemic struggles of other men dont apply to you, you're actively becoming apart of the problem. How so? Why do you think feminism has become so powerful and prevalent? Because women collectively decided that other women's issues are also their own. Never in my adult life have I thought, "Damn this problem I'm having only exists because of feminism!" Having that "It's not my problem" attitude only works until it is This is just fear-mongering IMO. Even if it does become a proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 07:11 PM
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Time spent worrying about your gender as a whole is time that could be better spent improving yourself as an individual such that the "gender war" is completely irrelevant to you. Worrying about political/social issues which you, as an individual, have no control over is disempowering. The mammoths that men fight in 2019 mostly exist within themselves. For example, I didn't like having no control over my dating life, so I spent years developing my dating skills until I could consistently meet ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 05:54 PM
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I feel like it only seems like a worse/undesirable/difficult option for you since you're notorious for being lower on the empathy scale. While making adjustments in order to satisfy women's desires is a no-brainer for many men, for you it seems like an affront to your sense of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:33 PM
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Sounds like the "high beta" route is the superior strategy then. The high beta has casual sex easier and more consistently with more attractive women than any other strategy, as well as maintaining the option to pursue a long-term relationship with a high-quality partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:25 PM
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What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:14 PM
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I feel like you're creating these weird unfalsifiable dichotomies again. What exactly is a "high beta?" What's the difference between him and the player you described in your previous post?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 04:10 PM
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I feel like you copy and pasted this from someone’s PUA manual or field report lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 07:10 PM
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OP said 6/10. Very easy to hook up with a 6/10 in under a week if you’re skilled at dating
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 04:58 AM
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There’s a subtle, but critical distinction between all men possibly becoming rapists/murderers and all men probably becoming rapists/murderers. If you’re living in a first world western society, it’s in your best interest to assume that most of the men and women you meet and befriend will behave with civility and deserve your trust. If you go around assuming the worst-case scenario, you’re going to live a miserable, paranoid life of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:40 AM
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Rollo literally says that his assertions are based on science within the first few pages of The Rational Male
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:39 PM
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When people claim that TRP is “the truth,” they’re essentially calling it a scientific fact. Rollo even claims that his assertions are based on science within the first few pages of The Rational Male. It’s quintessential pseudoscience. The reason why TRP gained traction is because there’s a lot of scientifically illiterate people out there who want to believe in what TRP argues, even if it’s quackery.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:09 PM
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Is that your way of saying you’d rape someone if given the opportunity 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 07:43 PM
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Exactly. Distrusting women because of their potential biological instincts is like distrusting all men because they have the potential to be murderers and rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 06:35 PM
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Did you ask your parents for dating advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 03:06 PM
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Those are both untrue
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:36 PM
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Of course there will be many exceptions— attraction is so fluid that it’s not the kind of thing you can fit into some sort of neat little algorithm or formula. It’s not so much about having mutual interests as it is about meeting women in an environment where your attractiveness is boosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 10:53 AM
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I think you’re taking my hypothetical example too literally and missing the overall point of context in determining one’s constantly-fluctuating attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 08:35 PM
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I think you're making the same mistake as a lot of people who don't understand how "mate value" works-- they're ignoring context. People's attractiveness varies dramatically based on context. If you drop a nerdy professional e-sports gamer into a bar, he'll probably be completely out of his comfort zone and be unattractive to all the women at the bar. Yet if you have him show up at a random meetup group based on his game of choice, and there's women there, he'll probably be one of the most confi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 05:43 PM
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I disagree. I think being heterosexual/straight and being open to sexual experiences with the same gender are mutually exclusive. If you’re open to same-sex sexual experiences, you’re bisexual or homosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 04:23 AM
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Yeah pretty much. The alpha/beta dichotomy's been debunked as pseudoscience just like MBTI yet people still cling to it for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/19 09:54 PM
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Agreed. Also, people who still take the Myers Briggs seriously in 2019 are idiots 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/19 09:26 PM
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Pretty sure you edited your post after I responded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 03:12 PM
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You've never seen couples that were married their whole lives without cheating, without divorce, and died whilst still in love with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:38 PM
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AWALT has been disproven countless times— it’s debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:22 PM
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The reason why we believe in gravity is because scientists have attempted to disprove its existence through countless clever experiments and failed. The same can’t be said for many RP hypotheses (e.g. AWALT)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:14 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 09:56 PM
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It’s more like, you don’t learn social skills from reading. You learn social skills from socializing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 08:32 PM
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Not open at all. If I were open to it, then I wouldn’t be a straight guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 08:28 PM
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It’s not “the truth” though. I think it’s more like: people hate uncertainty. Red Pill offers certainty. It’s often wrong, but some people would rather have the wrong answers than no answers at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 08:25 PM
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I take it that's a typo and you meant to say that women don't get as emotionally attached as men? I think it often depends on the person's self-worth/self-assessment. People tend to pair up with people relatively-equal to their mate value. However, there's women out there who are 8's who think they are 6's due to low self-esteem, and so their husbands get lucky because their husbands are 6's. And vice versa. If you feel like you're marrying up, you get the benefit of feeling like you secured som…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:35 AM
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You're taking a very literal approach to this... Yes, that's generally how discussions work. You make an assertion, and then you cite your sources to back up your claims. We'll continue this discussion when you get your facts straight
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 10:33 PM
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hypergamy+definition
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 10:10 PM
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Everybody’s hypergamous though This is such a ridiculous assertion. Men might start off their lives wanting the perfect 10/10 model but they quickly get a reality check. That's basically the point I was trying to make when people try to fearmonger about women's hypergamy. There also seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the definition of hypergamy. Hypergamy only applies to marrying someone of higher status; not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 10:06 PM
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Their husbands/boyfriends usually aren’t debt-free either
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:13 PM
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Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:46 PM
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Hypergamy implies that women are only sexually attracted to men who they feel are better than them in some way. Women will rarely meet a man that's "better than them" across the board in all traits. Even the neckbeard probably has higher intelligence than the average girl... but the neckbeard has no other desirable traits so he's invisible. Or he misapplies his intelligence and comes off as socially/emotionally retarded. Men often also don’t understand that “niceness” is most often not a trait t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:45 PM
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That's not necessarily a matter of hypergamy though; that's a matter of what women prefer in a partner/mate. Hypergamy implies that your future partner/mate will be dating someone else when they meet you, and you have to entice them into branch swinging over to you because you have superior traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:29 PM
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Bc for women socio-economic status is an attraction factor and for men it isn't. A woman's socio-economic status will become more important to you when you get older. You're probably not going to want to date a woman who has $100,000+ worth of student loans and credit card debt, regardless of how hot she is. Who wouldn't upgrade their wife to some hot supermodel? Again, you're viewing this through the lens of a high schooler. Swapping your teenage girlfriend of 2 years for a supermodel is differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:27 PM
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Everybody’s hypergamous though, and it’s not usually in one’s best interest to act on those impulses. Worrying about hypergamy is like worrying about being betrayed and murdered by everyone you know
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 03:58 PM
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“Married red pill” is an oxymoron
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:19 AM
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Looks like you’re just trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 04:14 PM
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That’s rude and uncalled for. This is a thread specifically discussing pornography and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 02:55 PM
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I disagree— that’s how confirmation bias works. Better to ask: what is the evidence that contradicts X hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 03:47 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 03:33 PM
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I thought you said you married a beta
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 03:17 PM
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I’m 5’8 and I’ve met literally hundreds of women from OLD. Your height isn’t as important as your photos, profile description, and banter/social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 02:35 PM
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You’re going to get some heavily skewed answers to this question on Reddit since this site/forum has an abnormally high concentration of guys with poor social/dating skills. That said, online dating is a skill that can be learned like anything else. I am short, only 5’8 and when I started OLD I was a 125 lb twig. Regardless, the number of women I have met via OLD is well into the triple digits now. I’ve spent years and years constantly experimenting with which photos, profile descriptions, and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 02:30 PM
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I feel like life is simpler for those with lower empathy/emotional intelligence— in the sense that they don’t really have the burden of considering how their actions may affect others (and consequently themselves in the long run). But at the same time, I imagine it would be extremely frustrating and confusing not being able to essentially read the minds of others due as a result of having high empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 02:19 PM
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I read that a long time ago... it made a lot of sense back then, but I think it makes more sense if you’re lower on the empathy scale. IIRC he compares happiness to a ball that gets passed around, and by being selfless, you’re just giving the ball away to someone else, and if everyone is selfless then nobody gets the ball. I don’t think happiness works that way if you’re the kind of person who experiences happiness from compromise, sacrifice, and selflessness. Since he uses that analogy as a fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 05:14 AM
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(Copy/pasting two of my previous posts from a previous AWALT discussion which cover my thoughts on the matter) My issue with the AWALT hypothesis is that it's unfalsifiable. If I show you a woman who ticks the boxes for AWALT criteria, you can say, "See? AWALT!" But If I show you a woman who doesn't tick any of the boxes, you can say, "Actually her AWALT qualities just haven't manifested yet. AWALT!" There's not really any way I can produce evidence that AWALT is bogus because it's an unfalsifia…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 02:14 AM
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That seems to be what he believes. He literally believes that it's a conspiracy that the experts don't agree with his quackery: I should say that I did make an effort to propose that inter-gender relations were based in, sometimes harsh, behaviorism with colleagues and teachers. I was kind of taken aback more often than not when the same teachers who were promoting behavioral psychology as a hard science were the most outspoken critics of what I was bringing to light for them. I couldn’t underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:54 AM
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It's more like a guitar player on YouTube teaching you how to play guitar... except the guy refuses to show himself actually playing the guitar and he refuses to disclose his credentials.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:45 AM
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I think we're assessing relationship satisfaction differently. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that for you, the bottom line regarding whether or not your relationship is healthy is whether or not you're getting laid consistently. If she's miserable, it doesn't matter as long as you're getting laid. I'd argue that most people (myself included) would measure a relationship's health by whether or not both partners are happy and getting their needs met. But as I wrote and her quote conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:23 PM
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The gap between your happiness/contentment and perception of the relationship compared to hers: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/comments/7m4bno/need_advice_so_angry_and_unfulfilled_accidental/drrr7l2/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 03:56 PM
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Your partner seems pretty discontent with that arrangement though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 03:37 PM
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That's interesting-- in my experience, if I'm upfront about seeking something casual on my profile, I'll go from getting 5 matches per day to 1 match per month. Both the quality and quantity of my matches completely falls apart. Avoiding boyfriend behaviors matches my experience. Whenever I've slept with a new woman in less than 2 hours after first meeting her, I think part of it is due to me doing my best not to talk about myself at all. I'll let her do 90% of the talking while I keep asking he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 09:59 PM
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Can you be more specific about being "scrupulously honest?" There's degrees of honesty-- how soon is he being upfront about his intentions? If he's meeting them via online dating, for example, is he upfront with his intentions on his profile? Or does he wait till the first date? Or does he wait till after he's slept with them? And how specific is he with his intentions? Is he keeping it vague like "I'm just looking for something casual?" Or is he as specific as, "I only want to have sexual, no-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 09:27 PM
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Given the fact that you've chosen to insult me and double down on your argument without providing any sort of counterargument or elaboration regarding how you came to your conclusions, I'm going to assume that you don't have any rational points left to make and will no longer be replying to this thread. If anybody else reading this thinks they can argue better than blackedoutfast can and would like to pick up where he left off, I'll be more than happy to continue this discussion with you. But ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:11 PM
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In theory, all of my close friends and loved ones have the potential to betray and murder me. But the odds of that happening are so low that it’s not worth worrying about. If I were to believe that their betrayal was not only possible, but also probable, then I’d probably have some serious trust issues with all of my friends. I imagine trust issues like that would consequently increase the odds of our friendship falling apart, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. I’ve never had issues with anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 06:03 PM
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it's impossible to prove that if i drop something that it will fall, but it would be idiotic to assume that gravity doesn't exist and it was just a coincidence that every other time i've ever dropped something it fell to the ground. You're right that we don't have any "proof" that gravity exists, because that's not how science works. Proof usually only exists within the fields of logic and mathematics-- for everything else (law, medicine, psychology, etc.), we rely on evidence. Regardless, the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 05:56 PM
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Sounds like circular reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 08:04 PM
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First, AWALT is true, but remember that it just means that all women have the capacity for behaviors as described by TRP. That doesn’t mean all women will manifest all those behaviors. I'd argue that the reason why you believe AWALT to be true is because, based on your definition, it's unfalsifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:19 PM
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so to be clear, you're saying that if you want to be a "woman's alpha," you should prioritize exemplifying the "excess yang" traits (domination, aggression, etc.)?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 04:58 AM
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I'm in the opposite camp-- there's been countless experiences of mine which contradict TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 06:19 PM
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I love the absurdity of an anonymous MGTOW on the internet trying to give relationship advice to a couple he’s never met before 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:26 PM
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Agree completely. You’ll learn more in a month of approaching and dating than you’ll ever learn in a decade of reading on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:18 PM
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I'd argue that it's not, "women are pickier than men because they only find 20% of men physically attractive." Instead, it's more like, "only 20% of men know how to present themselves attractively so those are women's only options" Have you ever made a fake female profile to see what your competition looks like? It's laughable how unattractive most men look in their profiles. I'd have to see the study and its methodology to know more though. AFAIK the study doesn't exist anymore, which is sort o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 11:28 PM
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We need to keep in mind that most of these studies and data points come from simply looking at photos and descriptions of people; not from actually interacting with them over an extended period of time. For most people, their full personality cannot be conveyed through mere text in a profile. On the other hand, their physical appearance can be conveyed through their profile for the most part. If the only information you have about someone is what they look like and what they wrote about themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:52 PM
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You need to keep in mind that most of these studies and data points come from simply looking at photos and descriptions of people; not from actually interacting with them over an extended period of time. For most people, their full personality cannot be conveyed through mere text in a profile. On the other hand, their physical appearance can be conveyed through their profile for the most part. If the only information you have about someone is what they look like and what they wrote about themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:14 PM
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If a woman isn't physically attracted to you she'll find a reason to dislike your personality. Are you saying that if a woman isn’t physically attracted to you, she’ll never fall in love with you or want to have sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:06 PM
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Yes. We’re going to have to agree to disagree. I think it’s very peculiar that you don’t believe ugly men can get a woman’s pussy wet. Are you an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 10:01 AM
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Well have fun with being indecisive because of your lack of data. Do you not see the irony in this? Your attitude here is the epitome of blue pill— disliking indecisiveness/uncertainty and needing something to believe in and to be certain about, even if it’s untrue. The original red pill metaphor meant acknowledging the facts as they are, even if they’re unpleasant. It’s a fact that social psychology is still in its infancy and the experts still disagree with each other constantly and rarely com…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:57 AM
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Is that a yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:40 AM
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So someone has to be good looking in order to create and maintain a spark?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:37 AM
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I don’t think there’s enough data/evidence to conclude whether or not women have higher standards for physical attractiveness. In the end, it’s not just that that matters— however that largely depends on if you’re a terp or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:35 AM
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Then you agree that one can be ugly and still create and maintain a spark?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:12 AM
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You’re saying that if a man isn’t good-looking he’ll never get her pussy wet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:05 AM
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This whole thread is about physical attractiveness compared to overall attractiveness. Once again you seem to be proving my point. Isn’t the point of TRP to become a top 20% man? Again we’re back to semantics— when Terps throw around that 20% figure, are all of them always referring to top 20% physical attractiveness? Or top 20% overall attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:01 AM
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No, not always. If your personality is unattractive, it probably won’t work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:49 AM
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There’s a difference between good-looking and attractive. A man can be ugly-looking and attractive. Women fall in love with men like this all the time because these men usually have something else to offer, such as a lovable personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:47 AM
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That’s a very bizarre hypothetical scenario. How exactly does one go from being old and ugly to being attractive to 20 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:41 AM
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So? Doesn’t that prove my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:30 AM
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What makes you think that women have higher standards for physical attractiveness than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:27 AM
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You’ve never heard of older couples talking about how looks don’t matter as much as compatibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:22 AM
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Every Terp has their own unique interpretation of what TRP means because TRP has no leader or bible and a lot of its terminology and principles are very nebulous. Everyone has their own personal idea of what an “alpha male” looks like or what “hypergamy” is. There’s no single, official definition for terms like that which everyone agrees on. Assuming that everyone’s on the same page with regards to both the nuances and the fundamentals of TRP is a big mistake I see in this forum all the time— wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:18 AM
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It's known that women's looks threshold is higher than men's. That’s news to me. How’d you come to that conclusion? Why do you think looks are more important than personality in the long run?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:08 AM
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I think you’re overestimating how unforgiving the looks threshold is and underestimating how much an attractive personality/attitude can compensate for other shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:02 AM
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You misinterpreted my post then
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:56 AM
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Do you not have a counter-argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:54 AM
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No, you don’t have to do anything other than be yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:50 AM
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You seem to be agreeing with everything I said— which is that most men don’t want to be in the friendzone (meaning unrequited romantic and/or sexual feelings); and that there’s a negative correlation between empathy and TRP’s effectiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:49 AM
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No, there is no running game
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:41 AM
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IME, if you’re not the type of guy to immediately interest a girl right off the bat (and most men fit into this category), then you can still get her to develop feelings for you if she likes your personality. The risk is that you end up in the friendzone permanently, but the payoff is your relationship will probably have a more stable foundation at that point since you two are essentially best friends in love with each other. Keep in mind TRP is steered toward a very niched group of men with ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:21 AM
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Online allows women to act out their deepest desires, its a more true representation of what they really are. There's no such thing as a "true representation" of anyone, IMO. People behave differently depending on the setting. People behave one way around their parents, another way around their friends, another around strangers, another when they're alone, another when they're talking to someone online, another when they're talking to someone for the first time, etc. How people behave in the onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 06:48 PM
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I think it has more to do with your personality and preferences as an individual. I’m a guy, but I have about a dozen close friends. For every personal interest I have that I’m passionate about, I have a close friend that wants to have deep conversations and share experiences about it with me. And for every worry or problem I have in my life, I have close friends who are willing to talk about it with me. I’m almost always alone, yet I rarely feel lonely because I have a very strong social circle…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:06 PM
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What were you doing differently before TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:24 AM
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What do you mean by “worked?”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 07:50 PM
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There's tons of other sites/forums online where men discuss seduction, dating, relationships, men's issues, etc though. Reddit and TRP are just one of many... and each forum tends to have its own interpretation of big, vague, subjective topics like "game" and "the red pill." The manosphere caters to a very niche group of men with very specific personalities and goals. TRP caters to an even more niche group-- you can't necessarily extrapolate all of its teachings to all men because for a lot of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:31 PM
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So you agree that it's pseudoscience then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:08 PM
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Alpha and Beta behavior That's a term coined by the manosphere, not by science-- at least not in humans. Part of this sub is about critiquing the use of terminology like that since it's unscientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 04:35 PM
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You're still being really vague, can you be more specific? What kinds of social behaviors? "The Manosphere" isn't a scientific source
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 04:14 PM
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Can you be more specific? Which sets of behaviors? And who has observed and named them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 01:51 PM
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I agree that they aren't cults-- cults usually require a singular, uniting leader or scriptures of some sort. Since the groups lack those things, everyone just comes up with their own definition/interpretation of what it means to be a member of the group... for better or for worse. They're definitely echo chambers though-- which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it definitely leads to certain issues (such as group think, less skepticism/critical thinking, bigotry, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 01:49 PM
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Their attitude is what's unattractive-- nobody finds a whiny man attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 01:44 PM
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I think many red flairs would argue that if you don't accept certain (debatable) evo psych principles as "the truth," then you're not truly RP-- some RP fanatics might even go as far to say that you're living in denial if your interpretation doesn't align with theirs. But my concern is that it seems most red flairs each have their own unique definition/idea of what RP represents, and what it means to have a RP flair. There's no official "Bible" or single leader of RP so everyone's on their own t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:43 PM
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You need to keep in mind that evolutionary psychology is a heavily-debated field amongst psychologists. Like the health/fitness industry, there’s tons of experts disagreeing with each other, each with their own evidence and studies to strengthen their points and contradict each other. In other words, nobody knows “the truth” right now, and it’s not a hard science like mathematics. It’s fun to think about the implications of various theories, but they should all still be approached with skepticis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:49 PM
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IMO the MGTOWs who self-identify as MGTOW and read/post about it on the internet are likely going to be way less attractive and have more emotional issues than the average guy who’s de facto MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:21 PM
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Don't women usually like a busy man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:07 PM
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Can’t you invest your money into exciting hobbies/adventures so you aren’t so “boring?”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 02:03 PM
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Do you think all/most women are like that because of what they said?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 01:49 AM
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has that been the case in your experience with dating women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:02 PM
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I don’t understand why some guys are so paranoid/defensive about being desired for their resources. You’re going to be objectified no matter what— all romantic love is conditional. What would you prefer? Being objectified and desired for your six pack abs? You’re still going to feel like shit if/when she cheats on you with the chubby guy who’s smarter with his finances than you are because he’s got money and you’re poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 03:50 PM
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...and I'll continue sleeping with women who don't care that I'm 5'8, like I've been doing for the past several years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 11:01 PM
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Tommy lee also had the "bad boy" persona going for him though, similar to rappers. John Lennon's dead now so it's hard to say how people would be treating him if he were still alive in 2019. He's also one of the most influential men of all time so he could get away with shit like that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 07:30 PM
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You’re comparing apples to oranges
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 06:27 PM
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I’d be skeptical of their opinion then and ask someone that works at the dealership what the correct answer is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:57 PM
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The person who told me is very important— you need to be more specific. Did the guy at the dealership tell me? My friend who owned the same car? A stranger on the internet? Please be as specific as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:42 PM
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Who told me to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:21 PM
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Correct— I wouldn’t know if it was unleaded, super unleaded, or premium. I’d have to ask the manufacturer. Now, if I were to total my car and replace it with the exact same make, model, year, and trim, then I could safely rely on my experience since the two cars are identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:54 PM
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You seem to be trying to compare women, who all have their own unique genetics and upbringing, to my car, which has identical manufacturing based on year, make, model, and trim. It even comes with an instruction manual
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:41 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:38 PM
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What if I told you I’ve been right 100 percent of the time based on information such as the op provided ? Confirmation bias claims another victim ☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:33 PM
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Random as in women I’m messaging online or talking to face to face on a first date. I rarely, if ever, was called handsome by those women until recently. Now it’s much more consistent. Main thing was sexy clothes, hairstyle, and physique. How often do women compliment your clothing or hairstyle? I’d keep trying different things until you start getting positive feedback on each of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:00 PM
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Right— she’s still likely to have a certain type of personality/lifestyle which can’t be extrapolated to most women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:55 PM
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Sounds like you’re doing something wrong with your looks. It took me years of trial and error till random women would call me hot or handsome. Had to upgrade my wardrobe, hairstyle, physique, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:51 PM
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how often do women tell you that you're hot/handsome in person?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:51 PM
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I don't think it does us any favors to make sweeping generalizations. There's plenty of needy men out there, plenty of avoidant men out there, same for women. Also consider that the woman who wrote some of those points you quoted is a sex worker with over a thousand partners. Her experiences are going to be very skewed compared to the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:01 PM
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Ahh, because my examples don't align with your worldview I must be lying. Makes sense. No; they're real examples from real attractive men who have slept with scores of women and have discussed it with me. I've also experienced the same thing occasionally, as an attractive man with lots of dating experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:45 PM
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I already gave you several examples and you dismissed them because they didn't align with your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:39 PM
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More like, it's wise to invest your time and money into taking a cooking class and learning how to cook so you can cook whenever you need/want to, rather than being dependent on expensive restaurants or unhealthy fast food
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:35 PM
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Well if you wanna argue that 100% of attractive men are always going to choose porn over a woman 100% of the time then it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:32 PM
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Context/timing is key. Learning how to be honest, correctly, is a skill that takes time to develop. If you open a girl on Tinder with, "I just want to fuck you!" or "I want you to be my girlfriend!" then yeah, you're technically being honest but going to have a very low success rate. Alternatively, you could wait until you meet face-to-face and you know she's attracted to you, then you could lean over and whisper in her ear, "I just want to fuck you." I've gotten laid doing that a couple of time…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:30 PM
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You mean you might be moving the goal posts and shifting around subjective definitions such that they align with your worldview? Yeah no shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:23 PM
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IDK about you, but for me, porn was just a short-term solution for a long-term problem. I have a high sex drive; I have a difficult time focusing if I'm not cumming at least once every 48 hours. Porn is a convenient way to just rub one out and go back to being productive and focused. But that's all it is; it prevents me from feeling unhappy, but it doesn't make me happy. Sex, on the other hand, makes me happy, long-term, in ways which porn does not. In addition to the sexual release, it boosts m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:15 PM
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You seem to be suffering from confirmation bias
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:09 PM
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My point was that you don't have any track record of success with women, and you don't know what it's like to be an attractive man. Your worldview is missing some critical data points. Just because an attractive guy gets interest from women, that doesn't mean he's going to pursue them. He might have a low sex drive. He might enjoy the convenience and freedom of porn that women can't offer. He might not know how to deal with women. He might not enjoy dealing with women. There's tons of reasons, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:03 PM
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Given your flair, I'm going to choose to take your opinion on this matter with a grain of salt lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:53 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:52 PM
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I've got a high sex drive and I love women so avoiding sex altogether's never been an option for me. Hard for me to relate to guys who genuinely have zero desire to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:51 PM
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Short-term, yes. Long-term, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:50 PM
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?? I could find millions
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:49 PM
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It's not always the best strategy-- it really depends on one's personality type and goals with regards to dating/relationships. The strategy you're talking about tends to filter out men and women who have higher SMV/self-esteem than you. Not necessarily a bad thing; but definitely not something everybody (or even most people) usually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:46 PM
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No, the counter is to be upfront and straightforward about what you’re looking for. Most men don’t have the balls to do this because they’re afraid of scaring her off or upsetting her, or they simply enjoy drama
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:24 PM
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For the men and women who want to play “the game,” the strategy is essentially the same— always be the one who cares the least so you have the power. Not necessarily an optimal strategy for finding a long-term partner, and not necessarily an optimal strategy for certain personality types, but it can be an effective strategy for a niche group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:16 PM
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I think it’s a good topic for discussion even though OP is an incel. It’s probably an April Fool’s joke though since their height verification process sounds ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:06 PM
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No, you just won’t have a badge on your profile. Similar to Bumble verification. Regardless it’s most likely April Fools.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 11:45 AM
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I wouldn’t put it that way. It’s more like, all dating apps cater towards women since men will tolerate all kinds of bullshit as long as there’s attractive women on the site. When women stop using a service for various reasons (harassment, catfishing, etc), apps have to implement changes or else they’ll go out of business. Or another app will come along to take advantage of that market need
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 11:38 AM
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It’s optional so nothing will change. I’m 5’8 and have no issues scheduling dates. I get 3-5 matches per day. Height is overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 11:32 AM
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Yeah he’s a beta
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:23 AM
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He sounds like a beta
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:13 AM
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That’s what condoms are for
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:09 PM
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Is that your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:29 PM
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I think that could apply to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:43 PM
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I think it's more complicated than that-- there's still plenty of unattractive men dating/marrying unattractive women and plenty of attractive men settling for internet porn instead of real women. There's plenty of attractive women choosing to avoid the dating scene altogether and enjoying their independence. Regardless, these social/psychological issues are very complex and nuanced. Everybody wants there to be a simple black-and-white explanation for everything, but there really isn't-- if ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:28 PM
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I think it's more like, a significant number of men are content with internet porn and video games to the point where they've been disincentivized from learning how to improve their dating/relationships skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:04 PM
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Most of it is conjecture/pseudoscience. But since many of its readers are reading it due to uncertainty over the future of their sex/dating/relationship lives, the sidebar gives them a sense of certainty and control which they didn’t have before. They had questions, the sidebar had “answers.” Similar to the health and fitness industry, there’s not a lot of consensus among the experts regarding the subtle and subjective nuances of dating and relationships. There’s all kinds of studies out there t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 04:15 PM
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It’s completely different in practice. It’s a compulsive, uncontrollable behavior for narcissists which leads to major long-term problems and unhappiness. The same cannot be said for those who are simply confident without psychological disorders, as they will have much healthier relationships and lives
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:55 PM
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All narcissists are cocky and confident. But not all confident/cocky people are narcissistic. It’s a subtle but crucial difference worth noting
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 11:25 AM
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Sigh at this point you just seem completely unwilling to budge on anything. I literally told you I don't know anything about politics and you still seem to insist that I'm a liberal lol. Give this a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzSqL--d_I and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_f8RQIIiw The reason why TRP is quarantined isn't because it's some giant conspiracy and they understand "the truth" which is too unpleasant for the average person to admit-- it's quarantined because most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 04:12 PM
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You're proving my point-- your beliefs/arguments are unfalsifiable and therefore conjecture/pseudoscience. When I tell you that I followed your list of beta traits yet had short term relationships, you claim I was alpha. When I followed the same list and had relationships, you claim I was beta. And vice versa. It's circular logic. You keep making all of these bizarre sweeping generalizations and assumptions about me, trying to categorize me into your preconceived view of the world. I'm apolitica…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 03:31 PM
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When I was younger, I was a lot less confident and attractive, yet I could still have casual sex with women who claimed to be looking for a hot young stud in the lab questionnaire or on their dating profiles. Some of the women I dated just wanted platonic friendships; some of them just wanted a one night stand; some just wanted something casual; some wanted a relationship. Nowadays I'm more attractive, more confident, and it's still pretty much the same. Every woman's different with their own un…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 02:55 PM
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Sure, but first let me ask you: are you familiar with what "unfalsifiable" means? What's something I could say to prove the AF/BB dichotomy wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 01:21 PM
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Men who begin to "beta slide" often find that women are unwilling to see them on the side after this. Sometimes they do get demoted to boyfriend... then cheated on. Regardless, the widespread understanding throughout all manosphere forums is that boyfriend\husband etc is a demotion. Men don't win in this arrangement. Even if you get play on the side, you're power neutral. Women hold the power in LTRs, men at best neutralize it. Again you're using vague, subjective terms like "power," and when I …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 01:01 PM
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ty for proving my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 12:29 AM
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Who’s at the top of the hierarchy in PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 07:02 PM
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You’re denying the validity of the relevant studies Yes. and how psychologists define the term Somewhat-- IIRC you haven't really linked me any direct studies to compare, but generally psychologists will try to use the same scales/metrics for the sake of consistency. If all/most studies involving "dominance" follow the same dominance scale, then that's fine. But I (as well as other psychologists) am still free to criticize the scale itself, which is what I've been doing. The issue is that the sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 02:31 PM
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Disagreeing with you isn't denial-- if you don't like having your views challenged, then you shouldn't be visiting a forum which encourages people to criticize TRP ideas. I feel like you still don't understand my point, which is fine, we're just going to have to agree to disagree since we're going in circles now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:50 PM
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You keep falling into the trap of having very vague and subjective definitions of everything to the point where it's completely open to everyone's own personal interpretation of it. How do you define "STR?" What's the minimum/maximum time frame for something to be considered STR? Or do you define it based on something besides length of relationship? Such as number of times partners have had sex? When you say you "put them into rotation," that implies it's more than just a one-night-stand; it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:45 PM
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As I said, we're going to have to agree to disagree-- those terms you listed are vague and subjective. They might be consistent within the context of one psychological scale (which isn't unanimously agreed upon), but if you were to interview 100 strangers off the street and say, "Describe a dominant man," you'd get a bunch of different, often contradictory examples. Regardless, correlation does not equal causation. Having those traits, or being perceived as having those traits, doesn't necessari…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:56 AM
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It depends on what actionable results they're looking for. Every man's experience is going to be different based on all kinds of variables. What works for one man won't necessarily work for another man. It's up to every man to put in the work to figure out what works and what doesn't work for them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:52 AM
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I'm not disagreeing that the term's widely used-- I'm disagreeing that the term's being used with the same definition in most circumstances, and that most people are understanding "dominance" in the same way. Regarding philosophy, my point was that philosophers rarely come to a unanimous agreement regarding "the truth." Rather, everyone has their own interpretation of "the truth." My question to you was, "Is TRP the truth? Or is TRP your interpretation of the truth?" You make it sound like TRP i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:39 AM
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I'm saying women's sexual preferences aren't as black-and-white as alpha/beta or dominant/submissive, and that trying to describe these concepts in vague, subjective terms like alpha/beta/cad/dad/protector/provider (terms which you can't seem to cite a source on) is oversimplifying things. It's turning a complex, nuanced phenomenon that psychologists and scientists don't quite understand into pop psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:30 AM
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The semantics are critical when it comes to something like this. Psychologists propose definitions of these terms, and then all the other psychologists agree or disagree on the proposed definitions. If study A defines/measures "dominance" one way, while study B defines/measures "dominance" in another way, then you're going to have issues. Or if they use the same scale to measure dominance, but each of the participants interprets the questionnaire in a different way, you're going to have issues. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 01:18 AM
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Yes they are No they're not And you'll find that within the field of philosophy, there's never unanimous agreement on "the truth" of how things are. If there was, it wouldn't really be philosophy; it would be science.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:45 AM
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They aren't defined by psychologists. If they were, there would be a unanimous consensus on the terms among psychologists... similar to how physicists have a unanimous consensus on the definition of things like "mass" or "force"; those are objective, measurable definitions, unlike "dominance" dominant, driven, tough, and seekers of power. again, more subjective/unquantifiable traits..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:40 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/b48pj3/woke_up_from_red_pill_now_what/ej5qt5k/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:38 AM
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the top ranking individual in a social hierarchy is the alpha (usually the most dominant male Can you give some specific examples of this? If I'm voted president of whatever group/club I'm in, then I'm the alpha? Even if I'm a meek, shy, and submissive individual? this is true in humans as well as our primate ancestors. I don't think that's true in humans since humans belong to many groups simultaneously... what makes you say this is true in humans? the reason that it's a solid beta tell when so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:36 AM
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Send me the specific study where they list the traits
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:30 AM
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Instead of sending me search results, I need you to show me how the scientists choose to define "cads"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:29 AM
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My point is you have in your own mind your own personal idea/definition of all of those terms. But so do all the individual women reporting on those traits, the men filling out those surveys, and the observers analyzing those traits in others. That’s why psychologists don’t unanimously support the scale, and why you don’t see psychologists laying out “here’s exactly how sexual attraction works in humans.” It’s more nuanced, complex, and situational than what you’re asserting. And that’s why it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 12:05 AM
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My point is that there’s no such thing as alpha/beta males because it’s indefinable/subjective. When you can give me a specific definition of what that is, then we can continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:48 PM
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So you gonna hook me up with some clinical sources or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:43 PM
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Okay and you’re free to disagree with it. It remains true that it is a scale widely used in psychology. The way rp uses the term is not self-appointed btw. It’s how others perceive you that makes you “alpha.” Ok, then why are you linking me that scale if you're not even using it correctly? That's like saying, "Here take this MBTI test-- and then after you take it, I'm going to disregard your self-reported answers and tell you how I perceive you" It’s how others perceive you that makes you “alpha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:41 PM
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My point is you're making things too black-and-white (blue-and-red?). Humans are more complex and nuanced than you seem to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:31 PM
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You're gonna need elaborate on your point and be more specific
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:31 PM
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And you'll notice, just like with almost every other psychological hypothesis, there's plenty of psychologists who disagree with it. Just like I'm saying, other psychologists are criticizing the fact that it's impossible to measure something as vague and subjective as "social dominance." Not only are you unable to specifically define and measure such a broad concept; you then have to take it and somehow conclude that "women" (all? some? most? many?) select it for a short-term relationship (which…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:27 PM
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I didn't see any works cited in your post. Not sure which studies you're referencing. Many men do not like the implication that fathers are not very high on a woman's arousal hierarchy etc many women do not like realizing they have been systemized. And yet their fathers still fucked their mothers. Not sure what you mean by "arousal hierarchy" or how you'd define/measure that one too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:15 PM
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How do you measure a dominance within any hierarchy? You can't. That's my point. "Dominance," similar to "alpha male" or "rape culture" or "hypergamy" is a vague, subjective term to the point where it's meaningless because everyone has their own personal idea/definition for it. I think it’s best not to focus on semantics Semantics are critical here. You can't have a scientific/logical argument if you can't even get your definitions straight. Instead focus on how it is pretty undeniable that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:13 PM
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If the truth were so obvious I feel like you guys would have no issues with giving specific, objective definitions that everyone can unanimously observe and agree upon
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:06 PM
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You're still being extremely vague. What does someone have to do or achieve in order to be the alpha male of the marching band? Do they have to be the 1st clarinet? Or can they be the worst clarinet player but they're the class clown that everyone wants to hang out with? How do you measure/define it? Be specific
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:05 PM
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Which social hierarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:02 PM
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/u/sadomasochrist see this is what I'm talking about. /u/Mr_Smoogs over here seems to be arguing that Alpha male = high dominance and Beta male = low dominance, which seems to differ from your definition of alpha/beta. Smoogs how do you define "dominance?" How do you measure it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:59 PM
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Where'd you get their "clinical meaning" from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:57 PM
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I did. Part of the issue with trying to use words like "alpha" and "beta" are that those words are extremely vague and subjective. There's not a single accepted definition that everyone can agree on; similar to "hypergamy" or "rape culture," everyone has their own definition of what it is, which consequently makes terms like that pointless. If you try to define "alpha male" or "beta male" or "provider," you're going to find that no matter how you spin it, the definition is always going to be sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:53 PM
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I feel like if you had a rational counterargument you would've made it rather than resort to personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:47 PM
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Because there's no such thing as alpha males and beta males in humans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti86veZBjU
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:45 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti86veZBjU
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:33 PM
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Yes-- further evidence that personality/social skills can outweigh a woman's visceral need to feel "safe" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 09:08 PM
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Social circle. I was short and scrawny (5’8, 125 lbs) at my first full time job, so online dating didn’t really get me anywhere. After about 6 months I had most of the women in the office trying to get me to come home with them because they saw that I was essentially the leader of the group due to strong social skills/charisma/wit. One girl later told me, “I bet you have no problems seducing women— you’re confident and you don’t give a fuck!”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:11 PM
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There’s no such thing as a “true” face though. We’re always wearing a “mask” depending on the situation. You might behave one way around your spouse, another way around your close friend, another way around a different close friend, another way while you’re drunk, another way while you’re high, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 02:57 PM
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I think it's more like, "What would happen if men/women had access to a (seemingly) unlimited number of partners to date, and the only information they have about their partners is what they look like in photos and how they describe themselves in a paragraph, and there's minimal accountability for shitty behavior" It's like going online and seeing how rude everyone is via the anonymity of the internet and then erroneously concluding that everyone's shitty like that in real life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 12:11 AM
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yes, both sides are equally guilty of irrational principles and easily-persuaded followers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 11:50 PM
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That was already mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 04:09 PM
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There's shoe lifts, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 03:58 PM
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Not sure about height itself, but longevity is inversely correlated with weight. And weight is correlated with height.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 03:55 PM
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Politicians are almost always walking into a minefield no matter what they say
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 11:25 AM
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I feel like if you had any rational points to make, you'd be explaining to everyone why you think I’m wrong, rather than just dishing out personal insults 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 11:24 AM
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Yeah? What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:33 PM
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That's because when you say "public intellectual," within the context of discussing politicians and other influential figures, I think most people assume you mean an intellectual figure with a large personal following/fanbase, and access to people who hold positions of power. So unless you you fit into that category, no, you're not a public intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:05 PM
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I feel like you're going to have issues with defining and measuring hypergamy in the west. Is someone hypergamous if they marry someone above their socioeconomic standing, but their partner is ugly or uneducated? Or if they marry someone who's physically attractive yet poor? Or someone who's highly educated yet ugly and poor? Is it hypergamy if a woman marries a man who's above her socioeconomically, extremely good-looking, and well-educated... but she has all the power in the relationship? This…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:28 PM
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Think of it this way: are you a public intellectual? I don’t think you are, which is why I’m saying that complaining about society isn’t really going to change anything. It’s just a fun way to blow off steam.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:16 PM
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My ratio is correct. If you Google “how many humans have ever lived,” you’ll find that the estimate is 105 billion. 500 million people out of 105 billion people = 0.5% Regardless, you'd have to be extremely paranoid/delusional to believe that 1 in 200 Americans are going to somehow be put into a FEMA camp or executed at some point in their lives in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:09 PM
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Compared to the people who were right, close to 0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:51 PM
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Considering the odds of that happening are 0.0%, that’s not something I’m ever going to worry about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:39 PM
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