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I see your point, but I still want to know the best way to reply this.
/r/seduction12/07/19 03:38 PM
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You have to experience women responding positvely or at least neutrally to your sexual advances. ​ Say something somewhat sexual on a date, see what happens. You'll realize she might shrug it off or laugh, but neither is likely to completely turn her off. Women are pretty used to men talking about sex around them. Same thing with touching. Throw in some light touching, and see if she's fine with it. It will be easier the next time. It also helps if you find a place where you can sit next to her,…
/r/seduction24/01/19 12:33 AM
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Yeah, you’re gonna have to get over that. And you won’t truly be convinced until you say something flirtatious to a girl and she responds positively. You can’t think your way to being flirtatious, you have to practice. If a girl doesn’t seem into it, just back off and pretend it never happened. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. -Wayne Gretzky -Micheal Scott
/r/seduction24/11/18 07:47 PM
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You need to flirt first, and flirt hard. Usually “flirting back” is simply finding your flirtatious comments cute or funny and being ok with it. Assume attraction and escalate.
/r/seduction24/11/18 06:56 PM
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Are you already rich and/or famous? Cause that would certainly help.
/r/seduction08/11/18 05:12 PM
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I've played this challenge Mario Kart. 10/10, would recommend.
/r/seduction04/11/18 03:07 PM
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They don’t, they meet them elsewhere and end up using insta dm instead of text. Following rando girls on insta and trying to game them is a fools endeavor.
/r/seduction19/10/18 03:56 PM
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A fuckboy can mean a few things.. A guy that lies to women to get sex. A guy that is honest with women to get sex, generally with a shirtless pic on his profile. Be the second one, maybe without the shirtless selfie, but be clear that you're not looking for your wife on tinder.
/r/seduction16/10/18 02:09 PM
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There's a good quote in Mark Manson's 'Models' that goes something like. If you're going to pursue women, there will be times when you will be called a creep. Taking risks means you might make some people uncomfortable. How you avoid it, is responding with emotional intelligence if you are obviously making someone uncomfortable. Apologize or shrug it off with a comment and change the subject.
/r/seduction08/10/18 08:06 PM
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“How was your day?”
/r/seduction27/09/18 01:17 PM
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Let them worry about it. They agreed to this, don't make it your problem. Sounds like they're into it, maybe you'll end up in some triad. Ask them if they've ever kissed!
/r/seduction20/09/18 03:50 PM
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Laugh at his jokes, and touch his arm. Smile at him. Blatantly check him out. Compliment his muscles and touch his arms. Give him your number and tell him to text you. Ask him if there is some place quieter you could go. Ask him how far he lives, if he has roommates. Say things like “I’m glad I wore my cute underwear today”, insinuating you’re going to show him later. Or anything insinuating you will be close. “Glad I shaved my lefts this morning ;). Wanna get outta here?” Etc etc. just make it …
/r/seduction15/09/18 08:08 PM
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"You don't know how to tie a shoe?!?"
/r/seduction03/09/18 08:38 PM
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Just say, “So I thought about it, definitely Karen.” “Thought about what?” “Which one of your friends we should bang. Think she’d be up for it?”
/r/seduction15/07/18 08:57 PM
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They may be giving you their number to end the interaction. Suggest a date, time & place. If they are interested but aren't available that day, they will offer an alternative day. If they don't, they aren't interested. Cold approaching is a lot like cold calling, you'll get a lot of agreeableness but when you call back to set up the next appointment, you rarely get called back.
/r/seduction13/07/18 08:07 PM
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Yup. Worked for me.
/r/seduction12/07/18 12:28 AM
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It's a sign of insecurity, and chances are she would bring that baggage into a relationship. What would you think of a guy that just bragged about the women who want him? Pretty douchey if you ask me. Edit: would bring
/r/seduction17/06/18 12:27 AM
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Forget about getting the numbers for a bit. Don't ask for her number unless you're fairly certain she WANTS you to ask for her number. Girls sometimes give out their number because that's an easy way to end a conversation.
/r/seduction15/05/18 11:52 PM
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Basically modern dating in a nutshell. Everyone thinks of themselves as the prize, and thinks they should be the one that is chased.
/r/seduction12/05/18 05:52 PM
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She could have just as easily said “see you around!” “We’ll have to see each other soon” is not a standard goodbye, she might have meant it. You are correct on your assessment. They may say “sure!” In the moment, it you don’t really know until they actually agree on the follow through. If they’re always busy, well then you probably have your answer.
/r/seduction02/04/18 11:51 AM
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I wouldn't call this blunt, I'd call it cheeky, and yes, some women will find it funny/charming I'm sure. Were you lying in your profile before and now you want to try an honest/blunt profile? I'm not sure how this is much different than any other profile that lists normal stuff like likes/dislikes/dealbreakers.
/r/seduction10/02/18 03:55 PM
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If a girl says to me "We should ___ sometime", and I'm not asking her out, it's because I'm not interested. You could be a bit more forceful and just say, "So are you going to ask me out or what?" IMO that's as far as you should go. Guys may say yes to a date/time because they have nothing going on, but feel meh about you overall. Don't waste your time with guys that aren't at least a little excited to go out with you.
/r/seduction01/12/17 11:41 PM
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Be the naked guy
/r/seduction28/09/17 08:33 PM
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Yeah, it may make you a nervous wreck if you don’t think you deserve her.. clickbait article
/r/seduction28/09/17 12:03 AM
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Silence and eye contact is pretty much will take care of this. If she gazes into your eyes and lips, kiss her. If she gets uncomfortable and looks away, you can just say “do you wanna kiss me right now?” If she says no, you can just say “oh, looked like it for a second.” Anything else like a maybe or yes, kiss her
/r/seduction27/09/17 11:57 PM
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Nick Notas. Google him
/r/seduction19/08/17 12:00 AM
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Just don't treat the "how was your day" as a pleasantry, treat it as if your friend was asking you, and provide that amount of detail. It gives something to work off of, as well as hopefully opens her up a bit. Dating apps are easy if both parties just did these two things. Give specifics, not just "it was good/fun/cool" Ask questions, so it's not one-sided.
/r/seduction05/08/17 02:46 AM
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I'm in my 30s and can count on one hand the amount of girls that have made the first move, and even then "making the first move" just means they are trying to make it super obvious that they want ME to make a move. Ok, maybe a few more if you count the girls that are do it because men never approach them, for obvious reasons. Competition is stiff out there man. If you want women to be receptive, you will have to at least appear that you have something to offer them. Haircut + well fitting clothe…
/r/seduction26/05/17 01:24 PM
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TL;dr. Women have it easier than they did 15 years ago, but if you're single IT IS YOUR FAULT, because you're not approaching, and you're not working on yourself.
/r/seduction21/03/17 12:17 PM
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Truth is, a gf isn't going to fix any of those problems you listed. Go read "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck" by Mark Manson. Feeling sorry for yourself is a sign that you need to change something in your life.
/r/seduction17/03/17 07:36 PM
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read some books on body language. It's all about escalation, and then backing off if she gives you negative responses. Creepiness is generally pursuing even after there is a clear lack of reciprocation. But simply striking up a conversation or asking someone to dance with you is not creepy, unless you keep pursuing or are a dick to people who reject you.
/r/seduction06/03/17 05:06 PM
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For the men that don't intuitively pick up on this stuff, it helps. I agree though, he's writing out what many of us have just picked up along the way, but we don't sit and write it all out.
/r/seduction04/03/17 07:57 PM
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From Models "If you are going to talk to strangers, sometimes you will be perceived as a creep. It is better to accept this fact now." During the day, girls will be polite, even if they're not interested. No chick is going to bite your head off in a coffee shop, and believe me, she understands the balls it takes to talk to her.
/r/seduction02/03/17 01:04 AM
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Could also be seeing if you're into one of her friends, or you deflect. A girl that liked me did something similar once, and that was the reason. She wanted to see if I was into her enough to not want to chase other girls in front of her. Just joke. "Yeah, I've caught them staring at my ass more than once"
/r/seduction17/02/17 12:39 AM
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you have to understand that women aren't used to leading, to the point where it's actually uncomfortable for them/ makes them feel needy. So putting the ball in their court typically means she wn't pick it up. She doesn't know how to play. "Cool, perhaps another time" is outcome independent. Then text her after a few days to do it he the right way. If she doesn't say yes or offer a different day, then move on.
/r/seduction10/02/17 06:16 PM
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Don't do this dude. Instead say "Hey, let's do X sat night". Saying "when are you free this weekend" is the same as saying "I'm free when you're free, I'll just move my schedule around to see you." She also doesn't know if you're just going to try to invite her over to your place, so giving you a yes, kind of pressures her into agreeing to do whatever it is you invite her to do. Even if women aren't aware of why they don't like to answer this question, they don't. This guy has nothing better to …
/r/seduction10/02/17 02:58 PM
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Here's the thing. Her plans are probably up in the air, and Saturday is quite the commitment. It's ok to text her once, MAYBE twice more for invitations. If she doesn't respond, just move on. Just text her saturday. "Hey, gonna smoke in a bit, interested in coming by?" If she says no or doesn't respond, you can do it one more time during the week. If nothing, just leave it be man.
/r/seduction06/02/17 11:46 PM
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Any fitness class. Yoga is always a good one. Also, volunteering.
/r/seduction06/02/17 02:01 PM
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Sounds like you had sex with a really insecure chick. It happens. Also wtf? Has a 1 y/o but doesn't want to use protection. Don't see her again, it's not worth the ensuing drama that will certainly follow.
/r/seduction06/02/17 01:58 PM
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If you live an interesting life with an abundance mindset, you won't spend your time worrying about using tricks to get a girl to text you back. She will want to join in on your interesting and abundant life. If she doesn't, why would you care, you already love your life and you date as much as you want.
/r/seduction24/01/17 09:36 PM
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I disagree, this is a total beta text. You're basically saying It's ok if you flake on me. It's not. It's also a good way to gauge if she's disrespectful like that. Cancelling a day beforehand because of something is one thing. Cancelling an hour before the date, now you know to next her. Telling her "let me know earlier" is not going to change her behavior one bit.
/r/seduction17/01/17 02:56 AM
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..And honestly, it's ok to be kind of a dick in that situation. She's being a bit disrespectful of your time, and you should be a bit peeved. A simple, "Ok, i'm going to make other plans then" is fine. Don't give her the option of you being her "if I feel like it". This is a pretty good indication she's not that into you anyway.
/r/seduction17/01/17 02:52 AM
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This is a good answer to any flirtatious request. "Are you going to buy me a drink?" etc.. "Maybe, if you're a good girl." "Idk.. are you going to be a good girl and hang out with me for a bit longer?" It's a pretty visceral male affirmation response. Chances are their dads called them this and it brings back a lot of warm and fuzzys. Fortunately for you they attribute those good feelings to you when you say it. Now they want to be YOUR good girl.
/r/seduction16/01/17 05:37 PM
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Flirt, and let it escalate naturally. If you are providing value, by making them feel attractive, they will naturally want to be around you more. Look for hints that they may be open to hanging out outside of work, and/or fucking in the supply closet.
/r/seduction21/12/16 02:41 PM
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well. Women get asked out / pursued a lot more then men, just because that's what society dictates. So what you're saying it true, however that's only because men typically don't experience women being so forward. Women do, constantly.
/r/seduction09/12/16 04:32 AM
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Whenever you feel like
/r/seduction29/11/16 08:33 PM
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Either you find someone else to go with you, and if she eventually gets back to you just say "You never responded.. I invited someone else." Or one text asking her about Sat night. Sounds like she only talks to you when she's bored or wants attention though. I would go with the former, and find someone else to go with.
/r/seduction29/11/16 07:47 PM
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Take notes and/or highlight stuff in the book. Pull out key areas to work on for a week or two, and them move on to the next one. Don't try to do all of it at once.
/r/seduction29/11/16 07:41 PM
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It's not an all or nothing though. The more good qualities she discovers about you on the date, the better. "Oh, he's hansom. Oh, he's polite. Oh he's funny. Oh he has created a good career for himself." It's one quality that women look for. Some will weight it more important than say sense of humor, but others will be the opposite. tl;dr. It's ok to highlight your good qualities on a date.
/r/seduction28/11/16 09:47 PM
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Your accomplishments are part of who you are. That's like saying "i want a woman to like me for who I am and not the way I look, so I'm going to dress like a slob and rub some shit on my face before the date". Own your accomplishments. Some "bragging" is to be expected on dates, you should share your accomplishments. Just talk about them matter-of-factly.
/r/seduction28/11/16 09:21 PM
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Simple but not easy. Act in-spite of your anxiety. The anxiety will never fully go away, but you'll learn to recognize that you should just ignore it and do what you want anyway. Reframe your anxiety to thinking.. My heart is racing because I'm about to do something bold and it's making sure I'm ready. Awesome
/r/seduction22/11/16 06:41 PM
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At the very least it means she can stay out late, but you should definitely invite her back to your place if things are going well.
/r/seduction11/11/16 04:54 PM
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Everyone feels like that sometimes. It's like losing in the playoffs and looking back thinking it's all for nothing. But in life, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. Learn to love the journey, and what you learn about the world and yourself along the way. The destination is the same for all of us, so don't set yourself up for failure with some silly idea that having or being x will make you happy. Learn to the love improving, solving your problems, and continuing to think abo…
/r/seduction11/11/16 04:28 PM
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If they go into a date knowing you are not expecting sex from them, it makes them feel safer, and therefore they can express themselves a little more freely. Otherwise they have to be a bit reserved and. Also, it's probably kind of a nice challenge for them.
/r/seduction01/11/16 08:34 PM
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Their name with an exclamation point. Then "cute pics" But yeah, if they don't put any effort into a profile, they certainly aren't going to put effort into a convo with you. If they do, it will be generic because they have no profile.
/r/seduction30/10/16 02:36 PM
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It's smart for the woman to set that expectation, because a women have learned that a man who is expecting sex and doesn't get it, can be dangerous. So interpreted it means "Don't expect sex, but it might happen anyway. I just want to be certain that if I don't want to you won't turn into an asshole or try to hurt me." Basically the same as saying "no hookups" on tinder. They don't want guys showing up thinking it's in the bag.
/r/seduction27/10/16 07:36 PM
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I guess I don't want to take a girl home who isn't secure with her sexuality. A girl who needs plausible deniability has a higher chance of not wanting to fuck. So I'd rather not give them it, and only take home girls who I have been up front with. Otherwise I'll go home and get some sleep instead of trying to get some girl to fuck me who just came to pet my dog. But you're right. There will always be the girls who need that and it's up to you if you want to roll the dice.
/r/seduction24/10/16 03:09 AM
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Keep escalating in the cab. Hand on her leg etc.. Pretend like it's your couch at home. Also, plausible deniability is for 18 y/os. Let go of it. They're friends know what they're doing, you both know what you're doing. Just ask if she wants to come to your place for a drink. Then take it one step further and ask her if she wants to check in with her friends before she leaves. That's confidence man. Not "lets go do something where it doesn't look like I want sex, but we both know I actually do."…
/r/seduction23/10/16 05:37 PM
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Go on a weeknight with a friend or two when she is working. It's slow, she can hang out with you guys while working if she wants.
/r/seduction08/10/16 06:06 PM
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eye contact. smile, put your palm out for them to grab, when they do, dance.
/r/seduction30/09/16 08:55 PM
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My advice, redefine your definition of failure. There are million reasons women aren't receptive. Success is defined as approaching, and seeing if they are receptive, as well as seeing if they are the type of people you want to spend some time that evening with. Trying to befriend/seduce a girl you know nothing about other than you find her hot kinda sets you up for failure. It's ok if you don't click / she's not receptive. If it was a specific moment or thing you said, that's worth evaluating. …
/r/seduction27/09/16 10:36 PM
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escalate
/r/seduction27/09/16 09:26 PM
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Do what works for you. So many people are out there for years and still don't find what works, seems you've found it. Congrats.
/r/seduction27/09/16 09:23 PM
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That's about right dude. It's called Sticky eyes. You should naturally be looking away during conversation, but 60-80% of the time be making eye contact.
/r/seduction28/08/16 11:51 PM
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Tinder used to be THE app, now there are dozens just like it, so the population got spread out. Try some other apps.
/r/seduction21/08/16 07:05 PM
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I've done this a few times, and actually what kills it is being insecure about not knowing her name. Everyone does this, it's late, you're drunk, it's hard to hear, she wants to fuck you so she really doesn't care if you heard/remembered her name. But she definitely doesn't want to be seen going home with someone who now looks like a insecure chump. Next time if you make a blunder, just remember that you don't care. You're a man, and things like spilling your drink, forgetting a name, tripping o…
/r/seduction17/08/16 12:52 AM
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You must be new here :). Mark Manson. It's in the Side bar
/r/seduction25/07/16 02:59 PM
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The Game is a good place to start, as long as it's followed up with Models. It gets newbies out of the mindset that women aren't interested in sex. If it's not followed up with something like Models or the ones you mentioned, you risk becoming a total douche, haha.
/r/seduction24/07/16 04:40 PM
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You can't change people. Give him The Game and then Models. The first book drives home the point that girls want sex, the second book drives home the point that you don't have to be a douche to get them. Reading those is on him though.
/r/seduction24/07/16 02:43 PM
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Don't ask for their phone number. Setup plans, and just post your phone number in case they feel like texting you. Phone numbers for some girls make them feel more vulnerable. tl;dr. Do something different.
/r/seduction08/07/16 12:52 PM
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Just say no. I've done this to many a girls, and I would only hold/watch it if they basically used it to let me know they weren't "going to the bathroom" and never coming back. So in that regard it was a sign of interest. In this situation she was obviously using it as a power play of some sort. Women always have bags, and they don't always have someone to hold it for them. Believe me, they know what to do with their bag when they're alone. You're not their maid, they can deal. It's a pretty rid…
/r/seduction06/07/16 12:45 PM
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Count. Note when it gets uncomfortable, and then count to 3. Only then can you look away. Soon enough you'll realize that you're getting to 10 or so, and that's it's ridiculous to keep counting at this point. Congratulations, you've mastered eye contact. Also, look in this sub or online for "sticky eyes". Most people don't hold eye contact for that long, it's 80/20.
/r/seduction25/06/16 06:47 PM
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try again, but don't count on this one, keep talking to other girls.
/r/seduction25/06/16 06:37 PM
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Just count to 3 while making eye contact. They will almost always look away before you get to 3, but make a game of it, see which ones stay. If you get to 3, smile. That's what I did, seems to work.
/r/seduction19/06/16 08:13 PM
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Interrupt her, and ask questions to the group. She will be slightly offended that you did that, and hopefully turned off a bit, or get the signal that you're not that interested. It's ok to interrupt people like this.
/r/seduction18/06/16 02:38 PM
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He read those books, listened to those podcasts, and started applying the lessons and ideas to his life.
/r/seduction10/06/16 12:48 PM
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Alternatively, at red lights just make out with her. She'll learn quick that that's what you do at red lights. Same thing but no need for the "yes/no" from her. Or something like.. "This light might be red for awhile, what should we do while we're waiting?" And then just start making out with her. Same works for elevators, walking home and waiting for lights. Just about anytime you have to sit there and wait. Just grab her and suck her face.
/r/seduction28/05/16 07:41 PM
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Think about the way women talk to each other. "She did that?!? What a bitch." It's not, "Well you should do this, tell her this, avoid her." Or whatever. I'm simplifying but you get my point.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:27 PM
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This is a big premise of "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus". I still have the urge to help women who complain, but generally just give them affirmation. "Ugh, that sucks." Sometimes they will ask for advice, or sometimes I will ask if there is anything I can do. Also, watch this, you'll get a laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:23 PM
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Because if she is not ready to go home with you at that second, she will not want to straight up tell you she is available. Girls know that if a guy asks this and she says no, he instantly takes it as "I don't have a bf and I want you to fuck me." But if you playfully joke about her bf, she gets to let you know she's single and you can continue flirting. It depends on the situation, but most girls will let you know early on in an interaction. If it doesn't come up, you should find a way to scree…
/r/seduction03/05/16 03:24 AM
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I kind of agree. I don't think straigt up asking if she has a bf is the right play, but screening for it is smart. At some point make a comment like.. "Would your bf like that." Or "Oh, are you living with your bf?" That's more of a conversational thing thatn "do you have a bf" which is a bit too direct during normal conversation, changes the vibe.
/r/seduction03/05/16 03:14 AM
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Everyone is getting hung up on this "I want to fuck you." part. The underlying premise is you need to read the situation and see if playfulness or directness is the correct response. In one instance, "I'm going to get us a cab" is appropriate vs a playful response of "I usually only put out for girls that buy me a steak dinner". It really depends on the situation and the girl. At some point you're done with the flirting and just want to get to the fucking. If you're still at the flirting stage t…
/r/seduction03/05/16 03:10 AM
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Thank you for posting. This sub needs more stuff like this.
/r/seduction03/05/16 03:03 AM
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If you look for reasons to not approach an attracive girl, you will find one.
/r/seduction01/05/16 07:00 PM
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Thanks for the great post man. This sub needs more stuff like this.
/r/seduction01/05/16 06:58 PM
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Likely just the house holds where the women wear the pants.
/r/seduction30/04/16 08:29 PM
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No More Mr.Nice Guy covers this topic pretty well, but basically.. High school is most of our starting point for dating, and you have to do this stupid thing where you have to find out if they like you before you ask them out, or risk being laughed at by your friends and classmates. So now we've conditioned our adolescence to do this out in the real world. We still have that fear that if she rejects you, it will hurt your social status, which isn't really the case, but we behave like it is. Most…
/r/seduction30/04/16 02:02 PM
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If they are in your bed, it's because they want to hook up (usually, I'll get to that). It's your JOB to make that happen. Kiss her anywhere, if she's facing you kiss her on the lips at any lull in conversation. Then start caressing her legs, sides, arms, and just move onto the good stuff. She will let you know if she's not into it. If she's not, respect her boundaries, and get some sleep.
/r/seduction18/04/16 11:29 PM
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Stop answering that question. There is no right answer, and women tend to dwell on what it means, which is nothing. And since it means nothing they toil over it. My go to: There's no right answer to that question. If they press, I basically explain the above. If they press more I say. Everyone I have been with has brought variety and experience, which you are now benefiting from. I'm thankful for it, and would never want to reduce those people to simply a number.
/r/seduction18/04/16 08:12 PM
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What? He's not like every other guy who tries to make out with me until I have to basically shove him off me. THE CONFIDENCE! well done sir
/r/seduction15/04/16 01:24 PM
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I never was asked this past the age of 18. Don't bring it up, and they won't either.
/r/seduction16/03/16 10:16 PM
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Kudos. You thought of something and went for it, and calibrated after. 90% of men won't get there because they'll just be in their head about it. It's easy for us as outsiders to critique, but you're the one that went for it. Keep it up dude!
/r/seduction14/03/16 06:28 PM
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Kind of an awkward way to approach. Asking someone to cover their nametag is automatically going to put them on the defensive, because it's a weird thing to ask someone to do. Then again, if Ryan Gosling did it they would think it's hilarious. You only have so much influence over their reactions. You dodged a bullet. A guy talks to you and you threaten to call the cops? Really?
/r/seduction14/03/16 02:20 PM
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It's ok to approach her because you find her attractive. In fact, that's really your only reason you can, because like you said, you don't know anything about her. Something along the lines of "Hi, I'm tall-without-game." Smile, pause, extend your hand, and see if they tell you their name. "I just thought you were cute and wanted to say hi. How's your day going?" Something to that affect. Direct. Shows intent. Why you're talking to them. No bullshit. Just my 2 cents.
/r/seduction11/03/16 09:16 PM
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That last paragraph I can't make sense of. I honestly don't care at all at this point about anything in her life except for the fact that she looks like my type. So the girls that would be into this approach, don't interest me anymore. So you're saying you're not into the type of girls that would be open to being approached by you?
/r/seduction11/03/16 08:18 PM
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Practice. Start striking up conversations with people around you regularly. Then when a pretty girl comes along, you'll be so used to talking to people, you won't think twice about what to say.
/r/seduction11/03/16 03:50 PM
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Look for a few IOI's first. You want them to WANT to join your fun. Smiling and havning a good time, women will notice you and then hope that you come dance with them. After a few glances and smiles your way, smile and put your hand out. If they do not accept, just move on and keep having a good time. Congrats on getting over your initial fears. Keep it up!
/r/seduction27/02/16 04:45 PM
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If you want to be good at something, first you have to be ok with being very bad at it. Practice, adjust, keep going.
/r/seduction27/02/16 04:43 PM
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1st dates are sanity checks if nothing else. Ask her on a second date to go DO something. Don't just find a place to talk. Museums, art, anything! So you have the environment to talk about when you're not talking about yourselves.
/r/seduction18/02/16 10:24 PM
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Do you want to see her again? Then ask her out in a day or two. If not, then leave it.
/r/seduction31/01/16 07:18 PM
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Asking yourself, "What do i want to do?" and then doing it. Not "What do I want to try to get someone else to do or feel about me." You can't control that, you can only control what you do. Go show desire, go show interest. That's all you can do. If you do that, you did your part. Not all will be receptive.
/r/seduction27/01/16 09:01 PM
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I like feeling them out over messaging/text first. It's only about 20 messages before, "We should continue this conversation over a drink. Free tomorrow night?" You don't need anything leading up to it, just ask it in the middle of the convo if you feel it's going well. That's just me though. If I wanted to put minimal effort and just wanted to bang, I think I like your approach.
/r/seduction25/01/16 04:03 PM
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That's a great point. We make a good team.
/r/seduction21/01/16 01:28 AM
10

That's an excuse. That's a victim mentality. Describe an attractive man. Confident, successful/social status, dresses well, decent haircut, in shape. All things you have a great deal of influence over. Seal's face is messed up as shit and he's dating super models. Jay-z is conventionally ugly, married to Beyoncé. Op said himself that he does not get this kind of attention when he's not working. Just by changing. ONE of those things (social status), he gets a pursued. Get to work man.
/r/seduction21/01/16 01:06 AM
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Same principles man. These girls have men fawning all over them daily. When you're not that guy, you're different. It instantly raises your value in their eyes. Show desire, not neediness.
/r/seduction20/01/16 11:42 PM
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Agree to disagree man. My point is if you want to keep it private, you should. Telling her there is no right answer is definitely not overreacting. If you'd prefer to share, that's fine too.
/r/seduction12/01/16 12:17 AM
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I disagree completely. The former is "this man has boundaries, and a backbone to stand up to me when I'm out of line." The latter is "this man is insecure, and approval seeking." Women want to feel safe. And feeling like they can manipulate you into revealing something about yourself that you would rather leave private, makes you look weak, and therefore makes them feel less safe.
/r/seduction11/01/16 07:53 PM
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My "hack". Stop trying to get women to like you/sleep with you. Instead, talk to them to see if they are worth pursuing. If they are, then show desire. They may want to sleep with you, they may not. They are so used to men "trying to convince" them to sleep with them, be different.\ tl;dr. Screen women to see if they are open your advances, stop instantly trying to win them over. You don't even know if they're worth your time.
/r/seduction11/01/16 02:38 PM
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If you're insecure about it sure. Some things are meant to be kept private. Treating it like a rude question is different than treating like "I don't want to tell you because I'm scared about what you will think"
/r/seduction11/01/16 01:45 PM
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"There's no right answer to that question" If they push "There's no right answer, if it's 3 or 30, whatever I tell you you're going to try to figure out what it means. But it doesn't mean anything so you'll drive yourself crazy trying to put meaning on something that's meaningless. Everyone I've been with has lead me to you, and made me good in bed. And I'm thankful for that." If it's a woman who has no business asking that question, I just repeat the first part, or straight up tell them that's …
/r/seduction10/01/16 11:02 PM
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believe me, it will be much easier to escalate in person than over social media. Sounds like you have a ways to go in your seduction journey. You shouldn't be calibrating before escalating, you should be calibrating after. You touch her, does she pull away or embrace it? If you get close to her, does she get uncomfortable. If you stare into her eyes, does she squirm. Your job is to test boundaries and calibrate after. Not "I wonder if she'll be ok if I touch her." Do it, find out, and back off o…
/r/seduction06/01/16 09:16 PM
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Do you know these girls in real life? Focus on escalating in person and forget about social media.
/r/seduction06/01/16 08:45 PM
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the only way the conversation would lead towards asking her out is if you make it go that way. Text her, and lead.
/r/seduction19/12/15 06:01 PM
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Of course I'm not ready to accept this, because I can't see any reason for how being a friendly and fun guy and asking someone how their night is going can warrant a demeaning insult That's what I mean, this might be a blind spot for you. I know people like this. They don't get why people get hostile when they're "just trying to be a fun guy." These guys generally come off as trying too hard and inauthentic. It rubs people the wrong way. These guys often get hostile very quickly after finding ou…
/r/seduction18/12/15 06:30 PM
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Yes. If you think this attitude towards women and dating isn't bleeding over into your social interactions, and who you are attracting/repelling, you're deluding yourself. You've come here saying that women and the dating world are the problem, and then you attack everyone who disagrees with you. Let's be honest, you didn't come here to consider different perspectives, you came here to tell everyone how you're not the problem, other people are. People respond to how you show up in the world. If …
/r/seduction18/12/15 05:43 PM
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This is what focusing on the negative side of dating looks like. You have to understand both guys and girls are dealing with 2 sides of the same coin. 90% of it is noise, and if you focus on the noise, you're going to have a bad time. Consider the other side for a moment. I dated the sweetest girl for 6 months. But when she went out with her girlfriends, by the end of the night she was pretty short tempered with guys who approached her. You go out to have fun with your friends, and are constantl…
/r/seduction18/12/15 04:50 PM
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All great books, here's my quick and dirty. The Game - Teaches you that women want sex, and there are people out there who are really good at getting it from them. That could be you. No More Mr Nice Guy - Ask for what you want to get your needs met. Don't be afraid of conflict. You need to state when your dissatisfied with something. Models - Work on yourself. Be a man, and express desire in the women you are interested in. Some will respond, some won't, but having a "bag of tricks" is inauthent…
/r/seduction17/12/15 11:51 PM
3

If she's not in your department, go for it. If it goes south, it's actually good life experience to deal with that as well. You'll see her around, and will have to be polite and respectable to an ex. Also, it's retail, chances are one of you will be leaving soon anyway.
/r/seduction14/12/15 05:03 PM
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Girls basically need to say that because they don't want guys showing up thinking sex is a given. That doesn't mean they're not open to it, it just means they're not on there to be treated as an object by men.
/r/seduction01/12/15 08:39 PM
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Awesome post. Tl;dr. First text should be relevant to your initial meeting. Ask her out, but don't ignore the actual conversation you're having. Don't be a little bitch if she doesn't reply immediately, or is busy the day you suggest.
/r/seduction27/11/15 04:43 PM
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Those high value women seem rare because instead of looking for them, you're spending your time banging hot bimbos. High value women take effort to find, and you often won't find them in the same places you find bar flys. Go to different places, and focus your energy on the right things.
/r/seduction25/11/15 09:40 PM
1

Great post man, and great last paragraph. Seconded. Texting got way easier and way less stressful when I stopped trying to sell them on hanging out with me. "Hey, you wanna do x, x day?" vs "Hey, x is going on x day, my friend says they loved it and blah blah blah." Like you're scared that spending time with you isn't enough, you need to sell her on what you're doing. Fuck. That.
/r/seduction22/11/15 03:53 PM
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2 things. Read The Gift of Imperfection or Daring Greatly by Brene Brown. Just know that there's a difference between sharing things about yourself that are positive, and sharing things about yourself that seek validation. It's ok to tell people relatable things you've done that are also cool and interesting. Just don't over indulge. "Oh yeah? I've spent some time doing x". Then leave it up to them if they want to ask more, if not, keep the focus on them. Share to relate, not to one up.
/r/seduction17/11/15 04:22 PM
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Yeah, as a guy I can say that I've been that person you're talking about. I was out to have a good time, not to start a relationship. I have too much going on to invite some rando person into my life. Thanks, but no thanks.
/r/seduction16/11/15 03:33 AM
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Solid. A 35 minute video that could have been accomplished with a list a few explanations, and perhaps a video of you doing one of them, might have gotten the message to more people, and established a little more credibility. I don't mean to criticize. I know it's a tough space to be in. And everyone wants to believe there's a one size fits all trick.
/r/seduction15/11/15 02:00 AM
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This is really not the content this sub is looking for. We like self improvement, real field reports that cover entire evenings or closes, data, and we don't use words like "magic" and "works almost every time", because nothing does. Don't tell us how you're the expert. Show us. Like these guys. https://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup. This post would have been better in list form, with (Tried saying this at the gym to 10 women on a treadmill, 6 responded favorably). That's useful.
/r/seduction15/11/15 01:11 AM
1

The Four Agreements. Great book about living your best life. Actually, just watch this and you get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oPeEctLrvQ
/r/seduction14/11/15 05:41 PM
1

Sexual tension is built on silence. If no one is talking, there is a chance you will kiss. Generally silence + eye contact = sexual tension.
/r/seduction13/11/15 05:19 PM
4

A free cookie is one thing. Surrounding the cookie booth with messages that this cookie is going to change my life and solve all my problems. Women will not be able to resist me if I eat this cookie. This isn't a 4 step magic cookie, but allude to how there are 4 steps that will unlock women's deepest sexual desires. Neg the customer and tell them "This cookie isn't for narcissists, so if you are one, don't eat it." Tell me how it works on every woman. Then get a bunch of fake customers to come …
/r/seduction13/11/15 05:00 PM
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There is so much marketing in this post, comments, and article that it's hard to know if this is legit, because it's very obvious you're trying to sell me something.
/r/seduction13/11/15 03:16 AM
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In my experience, the biggest deterrent for men going for shy girls is they see their lack of "opening up" as disinterest. Shy girls still want to feel desired. Masculinity still turns them on. As long as they're not trying to escape the situation, assume attraction and game as normal.
/r/seduction10/11/15 05:58 PM
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This is very similar to the line from the Game "Do you wanna kiss me right now?", which I've used and I've never had anything negative come of it. Of course after some tension is built. I like that though, going to try it!
/r/seduction04/11/15 04:32 AM
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Congrats dude! Keep it up, it gets less cringy and more natural every time!
/r/seduction26/10/15 07:57 PM
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Excellent. How I've noticed this manifests itself is in showing desire but not neediness. I had this exchange with a girl just the other night.. "Will you walk me Home?" "I would like it if you came up and had a drink with me, but if you don't want to of course I will walk you home." She came home with me. Think of what most guys would do in that situation. "C'mon, it's just a drink. Just one? We don't have to have sex." And it's manipulative bullshit.
/r/seduction25/10/15 04:28 AM
1

Seconded basically everyone here. I've been 30 for a few months and in a way it's made things easier. This weekend I brought home a 19 y/o (looked 25, did not find that out till later). As long as you stay in shape and have a decent career, women will be more attracted to you because of it. You're showing that you built a great life for yourself and women respond to that. They don't have to gamble on your potentials like they do with younger guys, so it's easier imo. With older guys there is jus…
/r/seduction27/09/15 03:16 PM
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This can happen if you're involved in a lot of social circles, successful, and a bit older (like 35+). Women will definitely pursue. Younger attractive women will rarely pursue, because they don't need to. Here's the thing, if a women just goes throughout her days and doesn't think about dating, she will still be asked out pretty frequently. If a man does that, he might get asked out once a year.
/r/seduction19/09/15 05:47 PM
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Mindset - she is ONE of the girls you asked out this week, you're not terribly concerned if she says yes or no, but it is your duty as a man to show desire. You did your job, she was not interested, you move on and it doesn't bother you one bit.
/r/seduction15/07/15 02:52 AM
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I'm not sure you understand what a "Nice guy/girl" is. Basically it's someone who isn't able to ask for what they need in the relationship, but constantly do things for their partner, thinking that by doing those things they will get their needs met. A lot of what they do is a quid-pro-quo in their mind, but they don't share that with their partner, and it leads to frustration and resentment. That's the "nice guy" mentality. Trying to date someone like this is difficult, because they will get up…
/r/seduction13/07/15 12:06 PM
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Something that I started doing and never really thought about it, but I do this a lot now. Approach the group with a small smile, and just wait until they acknowledge your presence. This isn't "I'm off to the side and seeing if you look at me." You enter their space / join their table, whatever it is. Then you can smile and say literally anything. "You guys look like you're too smart to be here." Or literally anything. You can even say "Hey, I'm x." Suddenly they'll try to make it less awkward b…
/r/seduction12/06/15 01:55 AM
9

Yeah, why do you ask?
/r/seduction04/05/15 04:14 AM
35

Haha, how did you know?
/r/seduction03/05/15 09:55 PM
1

link it. Shameless plug for you, but whatever. Do it!
/r/seduction02/05/15 01:16 AM
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You don't touch her ass/tits. And yes, light touches for a second or two, you don't keep your hands there, that's weird. You can only start touching ass/tits once you're making out, or if you're dancing and she's obviously into. It's not something you just do out of the blue. Can you imagine talking to a girl and her just grabbing your junk?
/r/seduction18/04/15 09:09 PM
1

Solid. Just trust that she will, but be ok if she doesn't. That's the best position to be in.
/r/seduction25/02/15 12:11 AM
0

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Bang-Casually-Girls-During/dp/1463765045 Day Bang is the best guide for this. Basically it's an indirect approach, which during the day is a bit more normal. His rule of thumb is "don't scare the cat", and ask old people questions like "How do you like that computer/phone/bag/vibrator?" Assuming she's holding a vibrator.
/r/seduction25/02/15 12:09 AM
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If it were me, I would stop texting her. If she is into you, she will reach out. Alternatively you could let her know that your friends are doing something x weekend and she should join you. Sounds like the likes the attention she's getting from you. When you take that away she might come looking for it (chasing you).
/r/seduction25/02/15 12:07 AM
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Yup, if you never really try, then you never really have to worry about failing. Watch this for a little boost. Happiness is 10% your external world, and 90% you. You can control the 90%, and it's actually not too difficult to start changing your brain default setting of negative thoughts. http://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_better_work?language=en
/r/seduction14/02/15 04:54 PM
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Sounds like you keep doing the same thing but expect different results. You got to the "I can approach and talk to them" stage, and stopped. The fact is men are doing those things AND getting laid. So what's different about you? What are you doing or not doing, who are you being or not being? The common denominator is you. You have to keep readjusting until you find something that works. You have to take responsibility for yourself. Also seconded about every other comment on this page. You're in…
/r/seduction13/02/15 11:02 PM
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Interesting perspective. I think there is a boldness to approaching a stranger and expressing interest. You go after what you want, and that's sexy. Women desire to be desired, and the cold approach fits right into that romance novel fantasy of "he was so overcome by desire that he dropped everything he was doing to come talk to me." Really I think it depends on the girl, her mood, and situation in general. Day game is all about the numbers, some women will be open to it, some won't. If you're g…
/r/seduction15/10/14 07:29 PM
1

A few things.. Don't call them. A text of "Hey, it was nice running into you at X, we should do x on x day.." Phone calls are really personal these days. Don't do it with girls you are dating or want to date, until you're comfortable with each other. Try starting with some innocent conversation. Roosh V has some great ideas in his book, Day Bang. He talks about "not scaring the cat". Being too forward during the day catches women off guard. Start with some innocent conversation that is impersona…
/r/seduction15/10/14 04:41 PM
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You're way over-thinking it. If you think "If I touch her she will call the cops" You setting yourself up for a ton of anxiety. The best times to touch a girl if you're cold approaching.. If it's loud and you can't hear her, put your hand on her arm/shoulder/back as you lean in to hear her better. After you got her number, say "it was nice meeting you" and put your hand on her arm. Tell her that's a cool ring/necklace/bracelet. Grab her hand/arm/necklace to get a closer look. SMILE while you're …
/r/seduction10/10/14 04:59 PM
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To each his own my friend. I don't want to deal with the girls that need an innocent reason to come to my place. It's an indication that they're not secure with their sexuality. I don't want to tiptoe around sex. I don't want to be with a girl who's has sexual shame, or friends would shame her for going home with a guy, or a girl that is going to feel guilty afterwards because we just came to do x and now we had sex. My approach is no bullshit, and it works for me. I've also noticed this approac…
/r/seduction05/10/14 07:24 PM
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It's hard to decipher that from text. If it happened that way, then kudos. This comment is just for others who are being coy when inviting girls over. Makes me think of another thing I typically say to girls when they start talking about sexual exploits. "Women get shamed for getting laid, and men get shamed for not getting laid. It's a pretty fucked up system. We could all be getting laid a lot more, safely of course, if everyone just lightened up a bit about it"
/r/seduction04/10/14 11:06 PM
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It's their way of saying "I'm not dumb, I know why you invited me over, and I'm calling you out on it." Girls are saying these things to you because you're giving bullshit excuses to get her over to your place. Even after sex, they were invited over false pretenses and that doesn't sit well with them. They know you're not inviting them over to see your coffeemaker, and you know it to. So just be real. My success skyrocketed after I let go of this belief that girls need an excuse. If a girl wants…
/r/seduction04/10/14 09:29 PM
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Was there a question in here or are you just venting? Work on creating more opportunities for yourself. Talk to more women, escalate with more women, so sexual interest in more women. It'll happen soon enough.
/r/seduction03/10/14 06:39 PM
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This is awesome, like watching an animal documentary. Also explicitly points out things that I think a lot of us pick up on subconsciously. You know when a girl is trying hard. The glances, the tossing her hair, the deep looks. Recommended watching for everyone.
/r/seduction02/10/14 04:03 PM
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I think if a girl goes you just met goes home with you there is a pretty good assumption that it's for sex. If a girl is not into that, it makes sense for her to clearly state the expectation up front. If she's at the guys place and then says "i'm not having sex with you." There is a risk of retaliation. Better to do it when she's in a public place. There's always a risk of going home with someone you just met, but saying "I'm not having sex with you" can prompt an indicator of what type of pers…
/r/seduction26/09/14 05:31 PM
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Not showing your true intentions is a bit insecure imo. I always say "Wanna come back to my place for a drink." Or just "Wanna get outta here?". Both those blatantly mean sex. This will save you a ton of drama and disappointment. If she wants to hang out but is not up for sex they always say on the way home "I'm not having sex with you." Which I respond, "OK". Still might happen, but I won't push it. Or on the way home you can tell them you can't wait to rip their clothes off. I don't want to go…
/r/seduction26/09/14 02:50 PM
2

Oh. Sorry. "There's a guy I know who isn't attractive, but his girlfriend is really hot and cool. They are together because he is successful, knows how to interact with women, and lives a healthy and interesting lifestyle." fixed
/r/seduction13/09/14 01:16 AM
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My point is looks matter but not as much as you'd think. If are attractive in other ways, per your example being a successful business man, girls won't care too much about your looks. It goes the other way too. Being successful doesn't make you good with women. Neil Strauss coached a lot of celebrities after he wrote the game. Women typically rate looks as #3-5 on their list of qualities they look for. Being funny and driven will win over looks 9/10, especially if you know how to talk/escalate w…
/r/seduction13/09/14 12:37 AM
1

"I just got out of a pretty serious 5 year relationship and I'm not sure what I want right now. I like spending time with you, I would like to continue to spend time with you while I figure things out, but I just want to be honest with you about where I'm at. I can't commit to anyone right now." It's up to her to do what she wants from there.
/r/seduction12/09/14 08:29 PM
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Agreed. It's self-depreciating beliefs, a lot of men have this who haven't had any luck yet. "Only jerks are sexual with women, I respect women, so I would never make a move that might them uncomfortable." Nothing turns a women on more than a guy who desires her. They want to feel desired, they want to have to push you away when you're going too far or too fast. That is their role, and your role is to find out how far they will let you go. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do things that are ob…
/r/seduction12/09/14 08:19 PM
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"Despite being active and eating healthy" check out /r/fatlogic. You can't cheat physics, it's calories in vs calories out. If you're exercising and eating right and not losing weight, you're calculations are off. There's a difference between being hansom and being attractive. Jay-Z is married to Beyonce. Jay-z is ugly as fuck. You're attractiveness has more to do with your posture, clothing, haircut, vocal tone, lifestyle, and body language. Most men really need to work on body language and phy…
/r/seduction12/09/14 08:16 PM
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High school is a bit different, because there's reputations, but when guys do that to me, it's usually a half-hearted smirk at them thinking "You must be really intimidated by me huh?" It actually makes me feel pretty good.
/r/seduction12/09/14 07:01 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/24/what-women-want-on-the-dance-floor-according-to-science/ Dance in a sexy way according to science. Generally men dance with their shoulders and feet, and women dance with their hips.
/r/seduction08/09/14 05:38 PM
2

For people who are still learning how to be confident, acting as if they are confident is a good exercise. You're not going to wake up one day and suddenly have all the confidence in the world, it takes practice. Starting to act as a confident person would is a good way get on the path of becoming a more confident person. Do that long enough and it will no longer be an act.
/r/seduction06/09/14 04:10 PM
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Haha. I would be so pissed if someone gave me a compliment and offered to buy me a drink. What a deplorable thing to do. How dare you be nice to me!
/r/seduction05/09/14 04:24 PM
1

"I told you I don't drink. You ordering me a drink doesn't suddenly change that. Why do you feel the need for me to drink? I promise I don't have to be drunk to fuck you"
/r/seduction04/09/14 04:53 PM
1

Agree. The In-field stuff that these guys do do with kino imo is way too pushy. Needy/insecure girls will love it. But just about every time I grab a girls hand and put it around me or something they almost instantly put it back where it was. Light/occasional kino works best for me. Make sure to touch her at points during the interaction. Rest your hand on her thigh, that's about as far as I go before we make out. Then my hands are all over her.
/r/seduction03/09/14 05:55 PM
2

I typically split first dates. It's never affected the outcome imo.
/r/seduction03/09/14 05:51 PM
2

can you edit this and word it a bit better. I think I get what you're trying to say, but am not really sure.
/r/seduction02/09/14 11:10 PM
2

I should have been more clear, you shouldn't be the first to laugh, at your own joke. It shows neediness. By laughing first you're trying to encourage others to laugh, but they should be laughing because what you said was funny, not because you started laughing. I do have a friend who does this a lot and I never really notice, since he's usually funny. Maybe you're right though, it's just a personal style thing.
/r/seduction01/09/14 03:01 PM
1

In the context, pulling out his phone is disengaging from the conversation. If a girl did this in a group of guys, someone would pick up on it and try to include her again. In a group of girls, I don't think that would be as likely to happen. They would wonder what he's doing there if he's not going to include himself. idk, just my 2 cents.
/r/seduction01/09/14 01:36 AM
1

I Really like what you said about drunkenness. I'm glad you spelled that out so clearly. I don't sleep with Drunk girls even if I do take them home. We usually fuck in the morning. I don't need them screaming rape the next day thinking I took advantage of them.
/r/seduction01/09/14 12:34 AM
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The person who pulls out their phone is the boring one. If you're the odd man out it's not easy, but just be engaged and actively listen. React to what they're saying "Wow, that's cool" or whatever. If you're surrounded by women who are constantly talking shop, when they talk about things you don't understand, ask them to clarify.
/r/seduction01/09/14 12:30 AM
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I'm surprised to hear anyone say that. His message was basically 1. Be me. 2. Treat first dates like shit by taking them grocery shopping with you. The only good piece of advice I read in that book was "don't laugh at your own jokes."
/r/seduction01/09/14 12:27 AM
1

Get off of reddit and go do it. This is just another form of procrastination.
/r/seduction01/09/14 12:23 AM
1

If I call and they don't answer, I usually don't leave a message, but follow up with a text "hey just called to.."
/r/seduction01/09/14 12:22 AM
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To get her attention, i will usually nudge with the back of my hand or elbow or something. After that, touch as soon as you see an opportunity. The best time to first start touching her is right after you make her smile. Girls almost always have jewelry on, you can touch her jewelry and just say that you think it's pretty, or complements her eyes or something. She'll be more than comfortable with you touching her at that point and now you touching her is linked with some good feelings. I've read…
/r/seduction31/08/14 11:36 PM
2

If you're unsure, always choose the more aggressive option - Mark Manson. At the end of the date, a few seconds of silence and eye contact = kiss.
/r/seduction28/08/14 03:29 PM
2

Run game as usual. She wouldn't go out with you if she was completely happy with her relationship. If she gives you some line like "ok, but just as friends." You can just say "let's decide that later."
/r/seduction24/08/14 09:43 PM
1

non-sequitar, analyzing why you like art makes you like it less. It's like trying to identify why you think some flowers are pretty and others aren't, or you like some paintings but not others. It's a feeling, it's not logical, and once you start trying to rationalize it, you actually like the thing less. Good book called "you're Not So Smart" explains that, and a lot of other related things. That beings said, totally stand behind you wanting your daughter to appreciate more interesting music.
/r/seduction23/08/14 03:25 PM
3

At the end of the day you are going to develop a style that works for you. Don't restrict yourself to rules that someone else suggested. It's great your following the program, but eventually you're going to have to be figuring out on your own, and it already feels natural to progress the conversation or escalate, do it.
/r/seduction19/08/14 12:30 AM
17

If she says it coyly with a smirk, she's into you. Remember, women desire to be desired. You can reply with "I'll try to stop, no promises though" If she says it and legit doesn't want you to look at her anymore, it's because you're being creepy, and are looking at like her like you want to rape her.
/r/seduction18/08/14 08:41 PM
2

If they friend request me I will add them. If it starts getting weird, just unfriend, no big deal.
/r/seduction14/08/14 11:44 PM
1

Sound like you're on the right track. Just keep working at it man. Knowing the basics just allows you to morph it into your own style that works for you. Today you're concentrating on it, "I should touch her now" "I should text her now", soon enough, it will become natural.
/r/seduction14/08/14 11:02 PM
2

Subscribe to Nick Nota's e-mail list. It's free, and for doing so you get his free texting guide. It's so simple but I bet following his guidance you will get 50% more dates.
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:51 PM
1

This dude. It's not your job to entertain them if they approached you. If they come up and just say hi, it's completely acceptable to say hi back, and look at them expectantly. After that, just be interested who they are as a person. Or you can tease them for approaching you. Idk. Fuck you for being pretty, lol.
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:48 PM
1

Girls weren't born and raised to have to be funny. It's rare to find a funny girl out there dude.
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:46 PM
1

Just because you don't want to sleep with them doesn't mean you can't hang out with them the rest of the night. Chances are they met some other guy who ended hanging out with them till 2am, and either went home with them or is more recent in their memory. Getting girls numbers at bars before the end of the night is a exercise in futility in my opinion. Also, you can bring them home and NOT sleep with them. Also, you gotta stop nexting girls just because they take a few hours to respond. That's t…
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:32 PM
1

Kiss the back of her neck, if she does nothing, kiss it again. If she wants it she will turn to face you. -Source me. Works every time.
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:26 PM
1

Younger girls are more immature, self-conscience. I'm in my late 20's and the difference is like night and day. With younger girls, you have to lead everything, and a lot of time you have to put in a little extra effort to make them feel comfortable and safe. Young girls are just weary of strangers, are afraid that people are watching, and just in general more self-conscience. They do appreciate your confidence, but they can't get over themselves to do anything about it. They typically grow out …
/r/seduction14/08/14 09:24 PM
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Congratulations, you have done what needs to be done to be considered bf material, that's step 1. Now you need to start being true to yourself. Stop trying to influence other peoples opinion if you, remove your filter a bit and be who you are. You will start polarizing people to put it in mark mansions terms. Gradually the people you hang out with will only be the people you truly enjoy hanging out with, and not have to filter yourself to appease them. Next, find something you love more than wom…
/r/seduction14/08/14 01:20 PM
1

Haha. Mulva, or Muuulvaaa?
/r/seduction13/08/14 01:33 AM
1

When I got to the dance floor I was by myself. Also be aware there is a difference between being attractive and good looking. I keep my body in shape. I was dressed well, in clothes that fit. My facial hair is groomed, I have a hair that takes about 90 seconds to do before I go out. I look put together. Add that to me smiling, having fun, taking up space. All of that adds to my attractiveness. You can be that way too. It doesn't matter if I'm the hottest guy in the room, or the ugliest. If I wer…
/r/seduction13/08/14 01:33 AM
2

Cold are actually not that easy to transmit via kissing. I would go as long as my nose wasn't running all over the place and I could feign health. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/feb/15/health.medicineandhealth2
/r/seduction10/08/14 11:25 PM
7

Unlikely. It would have been more risky if I said "they'll be fine, let's go" and was pushy about it. This would come off as insecure, because the only reason i wouldn't let her do that is if I was afraid she was going to change her mind. Her friends would have also saw this impatience, and may have not approved. By me saying "Go check in with your friends" I was showing her respect, and that I was confident. I wouldn't want one of my friends leaving the bar with some stranger at 1:30am without …
/r/seduction10/08/14 04:29 PM
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Young patawon, impressed by the simplest of things. You should be doing shit like this all the time!
/r/seduction08/08/14 08:47 PM
0

There's a difference between typos and misspelling words.
/r/seduction01/08/14 04:54 PM
1

Doubt it, but it's possible. Extreme differences from the norm tend to polarize women. They will either love it or hate it, not much you can do about that. I can kind of relate. I sometimes go for the low hanging fruit, because it's easier than going for the girls I find really attractive. Start focusing your time a bit more. If one of these HB6's approaches, humor her for a minute or two, then politely excuse yourself so you can focus on girls you're more interested in. To get hotter girls, you…
/r/seduction01/08/14 03:38 PM
1

Not saying that doesn't happen, but if she's g/f material, typically I won't try to take her home on a first date. OP was asking about first kisses, not F-closes.
/r/seduction01/08/14 03:34 PM
2

You need to start talking to people. Everyone, to start building some social confidence, and find out that people won't hate you for talking. Read "How to talk to anyone" and "How to win friends and influence people", then start talking to people. Be genuinely interested in what they have to say, and stop giving so many fucks about what they think of you.
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:29 AM
1

You know what you need to do now do! It's going to take a lot of time and mental effort at step 6. Touching other people, women especially feels unnatural for awhile if you've never done it. Same with escalating physically, and starting to remove clothes. You will fail, and that's ok. Do what you want to do and see how she reacts. If you want to put your hand on her thigh, do it. If she squirms or leaves to go to the bathroom, you know she's not receptive. Same with other physical escalation. Do…
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:26 AM
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disagree. Typos portrays that you do not give a shit about what she thinks of you, which is a good thing.
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:20 AM
2

Days? She's bored because you haven't asked her out yet!
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:19 AM
1

29/m, date a lot, both online and off. Kisses on a first date are not the norm these days. That's typically a second or third date. That end of date hug/kiss is a lot like the beginning date hug or handshake. It can be a bit awkward trying to figure out what the other is thinking in the moment. If you want a kiss, tell her that's what you're going to do. At the end of a good date, I literally just tell the girl "We're totally gonna make out now." And usually they come 90 and I come 10. If making…
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:16 AM
3

http://markmanson.net/crazy-bitch Great article about why every girl you date is the same. Hint, it's you. Also, if you want to attract hotter women, you're going to have to take care of yourself. Hit the gym, and dress like a guy who fucks models. Attracting Hippie psych majors tells me you look like you're a project. Don't look like a project, look like you have your shit together and no time for people who don't.
/r/seduction01/08/14 02:11 AM
2

The Game I think is where a lot of PUA's start, because it gets you out of this small minded world where girls don't want to have sex, especially not with you. So you start with a few "tricks" you learned, and eventually you build confidence and just learn to be yourself, and grow into Mark Manson's version of a Confident Man who happens to get laid a lot. That's my opinion anyway.
/r/seduction31/07/14 12:35 AM
1

what? You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. You're not going to get numbers, laid, a g/f if you don't take action. Stop over-thinking it and just say something. Always Be Closing OP. You need to PRACTICE. Start saying something to these girls, then start learning how to escalate the sexual tension (hint, eye contact and silence work wonders), then instantly work out logistics, "Hey, I was just gonna go do x, wanna come with?" "I was just about to make this meal for the first time, I know th…
/r/seduction31/07/14 12:25 AM
2

People have a need to be congruent. If she says "Let me make it up to you?", asking her "how" or "when" makes her feel the need to be congruent with what she said, and will follow through with action. It is very unlikely that she will back down from it, people don't like to say they will do something and then not do it. "I said I was going to make it up to him, and he is letting me." If you say something like "ok", the congruence is gone. You have pretty much just accepted her apology and now yo…
/r/seduction25/07/14 06:42 PM
1

Any response other than a challenge, or a brush off I have found pretty much kills the whole thing. If you say something like, OK, that's fine. Or anything to the like, you won't be seeing her again. So it's either, "When?" if you want to see her again, or "k" if you don't care either way. Then see if she is woman enough to follow through.
/r/seduction25/07/14 06:00 PM
4

You know what you have to do, now you have to do! Wanna get better at direct compliments? Start giving more direct compliments, not only to girls, but to everyone. It feels unnatural the first few times, but it will improve. Even start small, "nice haircut, cute necklace". Same with Kino, just touch girls more. If they're sitting next to you, touch them during the points of your conversation, or just rest your hand on their thigh. Or fake palm read them. It will feel a little unnatural at first,…
/r/seduction22/07/14 06:32 PM
1

This is a great post, and echos a lot of what Mark Manson talks about in his book/blog.
/r/seduction22/07/14 06:24 PM
1

Yup. Find what works for you. Everyone has their own personality. NLP might be your thing, it might not, you have to start testing it to find out.
/r/seduction08/07/14 05:19 AM
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Pretty much mirror what she's doing, open and close your mouth, and use a little tongue. Generally if you are getting a ton of saliva around their mouth, it makes it less pleasing. The girls who have described bad kissers say they need to coach them "when I close my mouth, you should also close your mouth." Pretty much make it about light tongue and lips. If she sticks her tongue all the way to the back of your throat it means she's ready to fuck (90% of the time).
/r/seduction05/07/14 02:02 AM
6

That's not actually true. Owen from RSD has a great video from in-field footage where he screams at a girls friend to fuck off. It's hilarious. I'll see if I can dig it up. But next time "stand up for her". It actually can come off as sexy, because you are fighting for her. "HEY, You're friend is having a good time with me, stop being needy and kindly fuck off"
/r/seduction25/06/14 08:42 PM
1

My two cents. stop watching porn, you will start to become attracted to more normal types. I know it's hard to think that that would change, but believe me it will, and it's a good thing, you just expanded your dating pool by a shitload. The mindset of "I know they can do better than me" puts them above you, and whether you are aware of it or not, girls pick up on it. It lowers your value in their eyes. Lose the extra pounds, it will make things easier, and boost your confidence. Read Mark Manso…
/r/seduction22/06/14 10:04 PM
3

Sidebar dude. Everyone has their favorites and you just have to wade through a few to find out what speaks to you. Personally, Models by Mark Manson is my dating bible. No tricks, no manipulation, no routines, just sage advice about becoming an interesting, confident person that girls will want to be with. Also plenty of advice about overcoming anxiety about any part of being with a women, from approaching to escalation to sex.
/r/seduction17/06/14 09:35 PM
1

Agreed, asking a girl if she has a boyfriend, her auto response to a stranger is "yes, I don't know you, of course I have a boyfriend." That's a question you ask after you've built some rapport. Start with a funny anectode, or ask her about what she's shopping for today. "I'm here getting jello to fill a mini-pool with, what are you doing here?" Say anything out of the ordinary, and it will get her interested.
/r/seduction17/06/14 03:16 PM
10

I think you left out an important point. The top 25% of women do not see 100% of men as their 'dating pool', much like many men don't see the bottom 75% of women as their 'dating pool'. You're making it sound like these 25 girls are being approached by 100% of the population, they simply aren't. 100 men, 100 women. The top 25 women wouldn't give the bottom 50 the time of the day. These men don't take care of themselves, have no aspirations, and maybe live with their parents. The next 25 men mayb…
/r/seduction16/06/14 11:15 PM
1

I'm considering doing that course as well, I started the free lessons. Yeah, there is a ton of free shit out there, but having structure, homework, and an overall gameplan in my opinion is worth it. Instead of spending a ton of time looking for videos to watch, deciding if it is something worth watching, etc etc, it's all there for you. Should save a lot of time and produce results.
/r/seduction15/06/14 10:08 PM
12

Read this. you're doing it wrong. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion
/r/seduction14/06/14 05:22 AM
23

Bitches love cuddling
/r/seduction04/05/14 10:39 PM
3

totally normal. Things that remind me of my ex make me sad more often than they should. It's been over a year.
/r/seduction24/04/14 01:47 AM
2

Yup, outcome dependent. You think "Oh, shit, I might like this girl, I better do everything I can to get her." Then you go back to your old ways of doing things instead of doing the things that got you there in the first place, or that works with other women. This is pretty common actually, and don't beat yourself up about it. Run your game, every time. It's what works.
/r/seduction16/04/14 09:07 PM
1

Because that's all there is. You just summed up seduction. Every post is just a "I applied one of the larger tactics and had success." Or the usual "she did this, and I did this, what now" Pretty much once you've learned the basics, r/seduction becomes a waste of time. The rest of your education has to come from actually applying the knowledge you attained, and going out in the field.
/r/seduction21/03/14 02:31 AM
0

yup. Showing you're vulnerable is actually a good thing, at the right times. "Models" talks about this a lot. Be confident, but once you're ready to let a girl in, you can tell her all about that shit.
/r/seduction20/03/14 02:51 AM
0

Sideways look with "You don't get out much do you?" or "You don't date much do you?" Put it back on her like she is the irrational one for saying no. After she stumbles through her answer, pause for some intense eye contact, then walk away. If she doesn't stop you and say ok, then you may have just dodged a bullet. IMO, you don't have time to deal with girls who need to "get to know someone" before they get to know them. If you have to try to convince her to go on a date with you, you've already…
/r/seduction19/02/14 06:35 PM
17

You're right, many times they don't grab your hand back, so what, move on. When you say "maybe I'm not the most attractive or suave" tells me you probably act a bit insecure when approaching girls on the dance floor. Whether you they are aware of it or not, girls pick up on that and it turns them off a lot. I have never talked to a girl that loves getting grinded on by random guys. If you approach from behind, if they don't look back to make sure you're not creepy, they are looking at their frie…
/r/seduction09/02/14 03:18 AM
19

You must have missed this thread. Put out your hand and ask her to dance. It's that fucking simple. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1u5yck/how_to_stop_dancing_near_girls_either_dance_with/
/r/seduction09/02/14 02:07 AM
6

Someone somewhere got it into your head that virginity is a sacred thing. After you lose it, you realize it isn't. It's something to get out of the way, so you can start getting laid already. Obviously just one mans opinion, but losing your virginity does one thing, takes away some anxiety around the fact that you are a virgin. Regardless of how it happens, it's a good thing. I've never talked to anyone who regretted the way they lost their virginity (less against their will), or the other direc…
/r/seduction02/02/14 01:35 AM
1

Echoing most of everyone comments. Own it. I don't know you but know guys like you, and their insecurities about being a little flamboyant cockblocks them more than the actual flamboyant gestures. I get asked if I'm gay, you know my response? "I guess that depends, do you hook up with gay guys?" Immediately makes you a sexual object in their mind. Women love gay guys for all those shared interests you listed, but your the whole package, because not only do they get to share all those interests, …
/r/seduction20/01/14 11:58 PM
3

Hey, it's --, just called to... Some girls have phone anxiety, so they won't answer. Just follow up with a text with why you were calling, typically you will hear back pretty quick.
/r/seduction17/01/14 09:26 PM
2

Bring two shirts, or two ties, or two of something.. "Hey, it looks like you have a decent sense of style, can I get your opinion on this?" "Great, your my new shopping consultant." Then transition to whatever, What are you shopping for today? Then obv ask her if you can buy her McDonalds at the food court. Bitches love McDonalds.
/r/seduction17/01/14 08:29 PM
1

I'm in the same boat, but am interested to hear what others think. Usually I ignore the comment. I haven't done this yet, but after they say something like "wow, that impressive." You can come back with something about how difficult it is to avoid gold diggers. Then she has to prove herself to you that she's not one. And then after she tells you about the poor guy she dates, you can tease her more about that, or say something like "yeah, some girls are intimidated by it." Pretty much put it back…
/r/seduction04/01/14 01:26 AM
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Sorry guy, this thread is not "how to dance with girls" it's "how to get girls to dance with you". That's a separate discussion and one that probably isn't easy to describe over text. Just watch what others are doing, and do that. Or there's always youtube.
/r/seduction02/01/14 10:43 PM
1

Move on. There's more girls in the club than just her.
/r/seduction02/01/14 08:47 PM
2

Dude. This scene can be observed at any dance club ever.
/r/seduction02/01/14 08:34 PM
1

No. You're making excuses for yourself to not approach. You are describing exactly what I am telling people to stop doing. That magic moment will never come, YOU MAKE THAT MOMENT HAPPEN, and the longer you lurk the more creepy you become. You can find all that shit out after you start dancing with her. If you're worst fears are true, move on after a few seconds, or the song, or whenever you feel like it.
/r/seduction02/01/14 08:34 PM
6

Once you're dancing with her, use some game. Talk to her. Most girls in their 20s will instantly turn their backs to you and start grinding. I let that go on for 30 seconds at most, then spin her around so she's facing me, and start talking to her.
/r/seduction02/01/14 07:45 PM
1

I think you're looking for /r/faimprovement
/r/seduction02/01/14 04:03 AM
2

Spin em around so they're facing you, and talk to them while you're dancing. I do it all the time. It's actually pretty nice, when you're not talking, there's not an awkward silence, because you're both dancing and enjoying the music.
/r/seduction02/01/14 01:37 AM
2

typo. IOI
/r/seduction02/01/14 01:02 AM
16

Youtube man. Find some how to videos. Watch, practice. Club dancing isreally just about keeping the beat more than anything else. If you can tap your foot to the beat, that's pretty much the base of it.
/r/seduction01/01/14 11:27 PM
16

If the girls are dancing in a circle, you can be on the edge so she can see you. Then same thing. Smile at her. If she is avoiding eye contact you can approach. Typically avoiding eye contact is a good sign she isn't interested, but you won't know unless you approach. If she just wants to dance with her friends she'll just say no. But pulling girls out of groups is easier than girls with just one friend, because they don't have to feel bad that their friend doesn't have anyone to dance with if t…
/r/seduction01/01/14 09:19 PM
17

Totally agree. Having a good time is 80%, the other 20% is making sure your paying attention to make things happen when needed. There are only a few types of dudes on the dance floor. The ones trying to dance near girls, the ones that are standing there, scanning like they are looking for someone to rape, and the ones that are dancing and having a good time. If you look like you're having fun, girls will come to you. Even if they don't, it makes it much easier to approach them, since they alread…
/r/seduction01/01/14 08:30 PM
9

Girls who don't make eye contact typically aren't looking for a dance partner. But if you really want to find out, MarkAfterDark has it. Pretty much have to get her attention with some touching. The more confident and direct you are, the more she might think maybe she does want someone to dance with ;-)
/r/seduction01/01/14 07:43 PM
37

Grinding is boring. Mix it up. Push her away a bit, grab her hand. Hold one hand and give yourself some space to dance. Spin her around. Move her hands to your neck, to your back. Put your hand on her back, then her hip. Any or all of it!
/r/seduction01/01/14 07:40 PM
1

Ok. But she asked a question to keep the conversation going. Makes no sense to me.
/r/seduction29/12/13 12:24 AM
4

This actually really depends on motive. Is he obviously doing it to show you up, or is he doing it because he has more experience and genuinely wants to improve your swing. Act accordingly. There is a difference between standing up for yourself when someone is trying to emasculate you, and arrogance.
/r/seduction23/12/13 05:18 AM
1

I was not very impressed with HTWFAIP. A lot of the book is out-dated and frankly based on flattery, which in today's climate, people see right through. People love talking about themselves, and practicing getting people to talk about themselves, and keep talking, while being (or maybe acting) genuinely interested will change how people view you.
/r/seduction23/12/13 05:14 AM
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