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Fundamentals victorhugogime/r/seduction10/08/22 08:24 AM
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Inner Game victorhugogime/r/seduction09/04/22 03:57 PM
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Question for Womenvictorhugogime/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:40 PM
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CMVvictorhugogime/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:32 AM
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Inner Game victorhugogime/r/seduction13/04/22 06:47 PM
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Inner Game victorhugogime/r/seduction08/04/22 02:45 PM
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Inner Game victorhugogime/r/seduction14/09/22 07:08 AM
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Conversationvictorhugogime/r/seduction18/07/22 09:10 PM
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Outer Game victorhugogime/r/seduction29/06/22 11:23 PM
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Conversationvictorhugogime/r/seduction28/08/22 07:35 PM
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Most guys here are trying to be evaluated and chosen for casual sex, when you have to lie about commitment to get casual sex the main component of why you do it vanishes, that being getting validated as sexually desirable man, not a provider.
/r/seduction03/11/22 07:09 PM
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If you aren't looking for a life partner, most guys actually care very little about that unless it serves as a way to fetishize a girl even more. Like how women being intelligent plays into femme fatalle, or just a girl being a little more bubbly plays into manic pixie girl stereotype. But the mere fact a women is cool, intelligent, rich, or whatever rarely plays a factor in hookups and casual sex, it's only a compiling bonus. And considering the enormous amount of work you will put in, and the …
/r/seduction03/11/22 07:01 AM
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Most guys can't possibly value your average girl as a 100 grand contract, most girls aren't that attractive to warrant such humiliating experience, and the ones that are, are likely out of your league anyway.
/r/seduction02/11/22 11:53 PM
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What i tried to say is that this becomes really obvious and hard to weed out golddiggers, even male friends included, it's complicated.
/r/seduction06/10/22 04:24 AM
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And honestly, considering i actually went to college secondarily to meet a lot of new people and maybe fuck them, it has been a big bummer for me.
/r/seduction05/10/22 06:05 AM
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Its that the way i flirt is very physical, for example one day i was just talking with a cute girl and i literally just laid down in the bank and put my head in her lap, if it wasnt for a friend cockvblocking i might have scored. But this is a bold move, imagine if i just started being huggy and close with someone, and the person didn't like it, it could be easily framed as harassment
/r/seduction05/10/22 04:24 AM
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It is a very risky enviroment, if i try to flirt too hard, and get a reputation, it could risk my major. So i am forced to dial down my flirtyness to more mild levels, and it is not my real flirting mode. I am very phisical when interacting, so i am better at just being myself at a club, and exchanging looks and as few words as possible, and being more kino oriented. But college is a huge cockblock, lots of couples too, so this is pure torture LOL.
/r/seduction05/10/22 01:13 AM
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At that point they just leave, it's annoying. I don't tolerate this anymore, women didn't stop trying.
/r/seduction24/09/22 02:56 PM
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I don't think i meet the looks threshold for the apps, i got like 20 likes in a year, with literal men mixed in with these, i just noped out for the time being.
/r/seduction24/09/22 03:17 AM
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Do you think just wardrobe and gym fixes what i am lacking? I honestly can't believe that, because it sounds simplistic, but worth a try anyway, i am struggling with the bulkup part from gym, otherwise 3 years in, for my weight i am very fit, i am just skinny af. Also i am a nerd by heart, i like hard topics and complicated solutions, so being nerdy is my vibe, to the point where i can nerd out social things and still fit in. I guess it might just be a looks thing as you said, but i believe my g…
/r/seduction24/09/22 03:16 AM
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Honestly, that's part of getting somewhere, i'm trying at least. Now, if you at least would try to point me towards the right direction would be welcome.
/r/seduction24/09/22 03:11 AM
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That i actually could be something to learn about, care to elabore on your indirects?, i honestly fail at being indirect LOL.
/r/seduction23/09/22 09:16 PM
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Not really a real thing in my country unfortunately, also OLD sucks.
/r/seduction23/09/22 08:58 PM
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Being a liar is really a necessity for those not looking for commitment? I'm trying to not be unethical in the process, but you seem to be right, being fake seems like a requirement to get NSA sex...
/r/seduction23/09/22 08:35 PM
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Sad reality is that nowadays i mostly see couples in even the most sexual of venues, the guys pulling came with the girls beforehand, actually pulling i usually see the inverse, girls going directly after the hot guys, and calling them names when they refuse, hilarious. Most men are really afraid nowadays, mind you i am in brazil, so results may vary.
/r/seduction23/09/22 08:00 PM
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I often go by myself, and it's HARD to mingle with people, must be the venues i go to, i don't like most of the twerking genres, so i go to other venues, like mostly DnB and metal, it's a sausage fest. My college doesn't have a frat too, which hurts the extra partying.
/r/seduction23/09/22 07:48 PM
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Yeah i've done this before, lying NEVER pays off man, and it is a huge energy expenditure just to keep tabs with a bunch of lies you are telling and run risk of ruining everything if you try to be authentic for once. 4 years of leading people on have left me pretty tired of playing games, how to get the real deal is what i am looking for. You are not wrong, i just want to distance myself from that path.
/r/seduction23/09/22 07:34 PM
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Considering i have a large social circle and people seem to seek me when i go missing, i'd say yes. However the girls don't feel inclined to open their legs up just because i am a charismatic guy in their social circle. I don't hate them for it, but yeah sexual frustration sucks.
/r/seduction23/09/22 07:31 PM
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I think my problem lies in, they are looking for a consistent shoulder to always cry on, while not being very willing to also have a dick to ride on LOL. The moment i stand my ground when they get too sticky or havent provided what i want in an X amount of time, they just vanish looking for another fool.
/r/seduction23/09/22 07:27 PM
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The problem is that i like sex, and you really can't do it alone, not only the physical act but the whole suite of having sex. Besides this my life is basically perfect already, i am a lucky guy with a good birth, i just can't currently get laid.
/r/seduction15/09/22 02:51 PM
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Well, the point is a bit different actually, i have a goal to get laid, without lying or making fake promises (AKA: commitment), but i am always getting either flat out rejected, or later down the track when i reveal my intentions (no commitment). This is tilting because i have a very high libido, and in a nietzschian sense, by not getting laid i am failing at being my true self, a sexual being, very sexual btw, and that evokes toxic self-shame which completely ruins my inner frame. TLDR, i have…
/r/seduction14/09/22 05:58 PM
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Asking and cold approaching, i've milked my social circles dry already, so now i must approach strangers, and well, that is exhausting, a lot of flaking, ignoring, and dismissive lying. That hurts my self esteem too bad, especially because it makes evident that i am the one interested and women want none of me basically.
/r/seduction14/09/22 01:31 PM
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That is something that i understand deeply, but for me personally, the act of "changing one self to fit in into others expectations" has literally been the main driver of my depression lately, repressing my own nature/style in order to fit in is just crap. And after a while i might need to accept that by embracing my inner self i might have to sacrifice my romantic life, i don't fully believe this yet, but slowly validating this. Also, not wanting evil or bad to you, nothing personal but i envy …
/r/seduction14/09/22 01:29 PM
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How so?, it may be simple, but i am dumb as a brick, so you being smart could at least try to help right?
/r/seduction14/09/22 09:04 AM
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I am both not interested in that many women, and the fact that i am always approaching and women never ever try to be nice or just be proactive, or at least poke me into action, just fucks my self esteem up a bit too much. Like i just want to be desired, it's not even the sex itself, it's basically a simping fetish LOL, but every single girl, like about 20 warms and about 50 cold approaches, and not a single woman even moved a finger to try and be helpful. When i am 100% the pursuer, even i myse…
/r/seduction14/09/22 09:03 AM
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I mean 1 year of sitting in discomfort and loneliness, (more if you consider the breakup process), has made me unfortunately used to it. My main difference is that i don't really care for relationships, or dating, at least for now, i just want the sex, i really ain't much interested in the person that i'm doing it with, as long has the girl is cute, pleasant, and wet, i really don't care about anything more. This makes me go into brickwalls while talking to a girl because after some small banter…
/r/seduction14/09/22 07:21 AM
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Why the hell would you do that for an equally bum of a girl, even still, sex is not that valuable to require all that transformation of character to achieve. Most guys don't do half of that shit and still do fine
/r/seduction29/08/22 12:48 AM
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Strangely, this is exactly my current approach, it is just mode one based, like i just come off real honest, present myself and kind of just propose right away, i get to the no's faster so i don't waste my time.
/r/seduction29/08/22 12:08 AM
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Read any other reply i made to this same statement, you are dumb to think it's similar.
/r/seduction29/08/22 12:03 AM
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Honestly dealing drugs is so widespread where i live, done casually, and literally everyone and their mother uses it, if i had a way to supply myself i would definitely be selling. Like it's things like 10x the salary of your common college folk, it is just nutty efficiency. Most girls wanted me to show commitment before moving things forward.
/r/seduction28/08/22 10:18 PM
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This is realy stupid if you consider my one and only goal is to just get some sex here and there to make life a bit happier, like i just don't have passions, or missions, i just want to be happy and that involves being sexually desirable. I may have had a very good upbringing, but i really am very minimalist, and i don't strive for anything more than being happy and having fun. Besides the lack of sex i have a very very good life, eat the best food, drink the best beer/drinks, and play games i l…
/r/seduction28/08/22 10:16 PM
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Outside of reddit that is anonymous, i don't use social media at all, i have a profile on all the major apps, i just don't work with it because the apps frankly sucks, there are WAY more men in the apps than women, while IRL it's at least 60/40 in the clubs.
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:36 PM
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The people and topics i enjoy women usually aren't very into, and well i appreciate the simplicity of escorts. The worst they've done for me is that i figured what is my type of girl physically, it just closed a few doors because i now have less options because i know what i want, weird.
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:34 PM
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Do you believe honesty about my reasons is valid. Like i really only be dating her for the sex, is being transparent about is a good deal.
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:28 PM
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Because the feeling of being wanted and enthusiasm of the girl are important to me. I already hire escorts from time to time, it just scratches a different itch, not the same deal at all.
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:20 PM
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That has got me at worse an Eww, and at best a, I really hope you find what you are looking for, you're a catch but i am not interested in casual right now. Which accounts to 99% rejection rate.
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:19 PM
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That is precisely my issue tbh, it is hard to do something that feels like a chore for something you just don't value very much. My main problem is certainly that i have a very high libido and i like to feel wanted, as in i hate the chase, and more often than not, my topics of interest are not exactly seductive, like girls really aren't very interest in the engineering behind the vector's super-V recoil system, or the impact that the current patch notes will have in the following league meta, ho…
/r/seduction28/08/22 09:12 PM
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I haven't said i wasn't toxic, my point is when i just rolled with being toxic i had a much better time, and it's very tempting to abandon the morality when your success rate is a whopping 0 after about 10 months trying. To be fair i rather not be toxic, but man this is much harder than it looks. I would love to learn if there is an actual good tactic for this, because nothing has beaten just being manipulative.
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:44 PM
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Well, honestly, my current impression is that while everything in this sub works in somd way, it only does if you are already attractive. Like i love going clubbing and everything, but i hate the venues i can actually go, and when you hate the venue it's harder to not tilt from rejection. While do my gym time for health, i am not willing to start a triple caloric diet, work out my ass off, get ripped, start going nuts with work to get rich, work really hard for status, etc., i see no worth besid…
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:42 PM
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I think i had a decent read on mistery's work, and had a few approaches, but i don't know if i should keep practicing or focus on trying the more advanced stuff. I don't know if i should grind the basics or jump into the complex stuff. That said i am usually not very fond/interested in strangers life, so for me it is in fact a big drain to ask about useless stuff, like i really don't care about your dogs routine ms. LOL I usually dig some deep topics and unfortunately this is counter productive,…
/r/seduction27/08/22 12:15 AM
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It's honestly too much of a hassle for someone just looking for pussy and a good time overall, as in i am looking for a relaxing experience, not added stress. Sex is a perfect anti-depressant when it's done between people actively into it, it's just in short supply and the longer i am going without it the worse it's becoming.
/r/seduction16/08/22 05:01 AM
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I mean that is exactly what i am striving for, but honestly what i aim is just to keep the relaxed vibe of a FWB, as in sometimes be actual friends, and go do friends stuff together. As in i don't want a fuck buddy, i want a friend too, as in the light vibe of just 2 people who like to fool around and be retarded together.
/r/seduction12/08/22 03:06 PM
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The point is i don't actually enjoy dating, as in LTR dating, i don't mind going to dates and planning fun stuff together, i am just now eager to meet her dad and buy her a ring you know, it's too much attachment and i like the freedom. I don't want to lead girls on, not anymore, it actually ruined my self-esteem.
/r/seduction12/08/22 03:03 PM
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I loved my ex to death, but the regular activities and duties of dating bore me and i honestly kind of started resenting her and myself for it, and still feel miserable for it. I just don't like LTR dating, a FWB would be top tier, or a few fuck buddies, but actual commitment, family meeting, emotional codependency, and etc., ugh never again. I am really tempted to just adjust my game to start blatantly lying, it might be a much mroe optimal approach.
/r/seduction12/08/22 06:39 AM
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The definition of loser varies wildly from the interviewee
/r/seduction11/08/22 04:10 AM
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The process is different for everyone, your love for the whole thing is not shared universally. I work out a lot, like 5 days a week, and i fucking love it, but i cant for the life of me follow a diet. Im also lazy and absolutely hate working, i just do it because i have no choice ans hate every second of it. And no average pussy can be good enough to offset the gruesome work. So for me the whole package is kinda bad on average. So for now i just value my package as the person on the path of wha…
/r/seduction11/08/22 03:46 AM
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I know this is actually correct, but it REALLY sounds like astrology right now.it's about making HER feel calm and confident, and most guys do so by basic mirroring. She will try to match your energy.
/r/seduction11/08/22 03:19 AM
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I think that if you want to be successfully single you kinda will be very well rewarded for some serious looksnaxxing.
/r/seduction11/08/22 01:56 AM
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You require the looks to get anywhere, its like the first door you need to open, but you need the second key of game to open the next one. It doesn't matter if you have the second key without having the first one, it's useless.
/r/seduction11/08/22 01:54 AM
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Depending on the starting point, learning game and self improvement just to getting laid is a bad idea, you are bound to be frustrated by the ROI. Honestly i think 90% of self improvement that works is focus on looks. Your time is better spent getting absolutely ripped, and getting a facial harmonization, its by far the best idea and i doubt if done properly won't wield results.
/r/seduction11/08/22 01:24 AM
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The football player is training to hit the goal, not the art of being a celebrity, in fact many of them SUCK with PR. It's like practicing volleyball in order to improve at basketball, it makes no sense. People wanting to hookup need tips on how to get there, not in fixing their diet or being more productive in their jobs. Sure being more attractive helps, but that more of reduces the difficulty rather than making you better at it.
/r/seduction10/08/22 07:19 PM
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They are not required to know your motives, only you are, the art of masquerading your intentions is quite a core concept in seduction, at least the indirect method. And this kind of train of thought just points to women being parasites. Even still women simping for attractive guys is so common it basically dismantles your argument, if she is interested in you i don't think your focus matters that much.
/r/seduction10/08/22 07:16 PM
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The point is you just were you, aren't ugly, and likely a good person to be around, while those guys certainly had a lot of entitlement it seems, but both of you won, since you had your time with the hot girl. I bet i wouldn't mind breaking up with a hot girl for example because that means i've managed to date her already so i don't care anymore i already got what i wanted. And while i am not entitled at all and people regard me usually as social and outgoing/fun, i have no luck with ladies curr…
/r/seduction10/08/22 06:51 PM
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Yeah, honestly the biggest thing most guys need to learn is to be colder and take more rejections while just approaching more women more often. I think numbers game is supreme and the factors that help are either minor or not changeable.
/r/seduction10/08/22 04:59 PM
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Statistics show that certain types of mentally ill conditions actually help getting laid, so i hardly doubt this is the main problem. Most guys i think are socially inept and unfortunately likely aren't hot enough.
/r/seduction10/08/22 04:57 PM
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It's not that it isn't possible, if i have to be turbo fit, as in visibly muscular, above average financially, get away from the hobbies i actually like, wearing the things i find cool, then it hardly becomes worth it especially if the girl is literally just average. If i aimed at getting fit girls i had to be fit too, its reasonable, but for your average chubby cute girl, i honestly don't find it ok at all. I don't mind going to the gym regularly, being financially stable, and doing the groomin…
/r/seduction10/08/22 04:55 PM
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I think people in the seduction community forgot that seduction is about shining the best light possible on the assets you already have, it's sales skills really. It is obvious that if you get richer/prettier/more famous, your chances go up, but that is not seduction as much as improving the offer itself. And honestly, if you improve yourself your target audience is likely to change as well, you become a dog chasing his own tail at this point. What i am currently doing is just being straightforw…
/r/seduction10/08/22 04:34 PM
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This mindset leads to terrible solutions and conclusions. Entire world there are more and more people voting hyperconservative and against women's freedoms, 30% of sexless men will eventually just chain the girls up again in the future because otherwise there is no solution. I rather believe there are ways to win women over through game otherwise i can't disagree with the extremists and i rather not do that.
/r/seduction10/08/22 03:41 PM
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The work required to become attractive nowadays is just way too much considered competition is infinitely fiercer in the past, you are competing with verified DM's nowadays for any attractive woman. Game improvement is worth it only if it's direct, i don't think reimagining your entire life and beliefs is worth a 1/20 to 1/10 upgrade, i rather just approach more at this point. Not saying be hideous and broke, but competing with the naturals nowadays is just masochism.
/r/seduction10/08/22 03:39 PM
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At this point you admit most will fail, if most will fail that implies that like 80% of guys are fucked if not more, because value is relative to competition. This will get me into a rabbit hole i don't want to get into because the implications are dire. I rather believe there is a way to win women over without climbing on top of the competition to be top 10%, it is both not worth the effort and incredibly hard. And from personal experience you can totally manipulate people in all kinds of ways,…
/r/seduction10/08/22 03:35 PM
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What i am railing against is stuff like bodybuilding or carefully curating instagram image, networking with the intent to become influent etc. People here take self improvement too far, like sure improving social skills and getting better at reading people is valid, but advice here is bordering life coaching, to the point where we aren't even talking about women anymore. I genuinely believe there are guys here who are workaholic gymrats who work 24/7 both at his job and gym and barely sees sunli…
/r/seduction10/08/22 03:24 PM
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I do think this works but it heavily depends on who you are naturally. If you are naturally a shy introverted guy you are better off just faking it if you aren't looking for commitment.
/r/seduction10/08/22 02:19 PM
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And well how to fake that is what the advice should be aimed at.
/r/seduction10/08/22 02:15 PM
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Improper mindset is again what makes zero sense to me. Having a good well practices routine and plan will work regardless of it being real or not, i don't believe girls are mindreaders. If the goal is merely to get laid with an attractive women you find hot, that night, having proper technique and actually talking to her seems better idea than getting a 6 pack and being a millionaire. At this point i would just go to tinder and post abs pictures in black and white, much better than actually talk…
/r/seduction10/08/22 10:18 AM
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Unless you are broke, depressed, obese, and autistic, i don't see the point of inner game. What you want is to learn to talk to women in the right way to get laid, so why take this incredible road of transformation instead of just talking to women and approaching.
/r/seduction10/08/22 10:13 AM
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Again learning how to be funny and witty and saying and doing the right things to trigger attraction is hardly discussed.
/r/seduction10/08/22 10:08 AM
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At this point there is no way to seduce a girl, only to make yourself more attractive, and that makes it a winner takes all market and is precisely the current problem with modern dating. Women usually treat men in an utilitarian way, as in they rarely love the man, they like what you make her feel and can do for her. And simping is not the way and i hope it's not the future, if men can't find a way to actually attract a girl that wasn't initially attracted, the current 30% of sexless men will k…
/r/seduction10/08/22 09:36 AM
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But some people are totally fine with being "losers" if i could get laid right now, i would argue i would have zero worries in my life at all. Sure many struggling people have a host of problems, but for some, and i bet most, the ONLY problem is lack of pussy, everything else is A-OK. At this point actual game is what could save them, otherwise they are doomed.
/r/seduction10/08/22 09:23 AM
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The clubs i go to literally admit to only hiring attractive girls to promoting the event because horny men are better clients to the business. Most promoters here have the singular job of being present and hot in the club, and spam on social media they will be present in X event, and it works wonders. Idk if this is a local thing, but it's my best bet since i live here. I wouldve a better shot bartending or getting a bouncing gig, and i am short and skinny.
/r/seduction10/08/22 09:20 AM
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At this point seduction is pointless because you can't actively turn any no's into yes, at this point just cold approaching 20 girls a day 7 days a week is a better idea than learning game.
/r/seduction10/08/22 09:17 AM
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What is the advice i am not capable of understanding that well. I am not saying that what is suggested doesn't work, but certainly feels like killing a mosquito with a rocket.
/r/seduction10/08/22 08:56 AM
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There is no point in doing self improvement if you don't actually care personally about it. Some people won't miss the extra money, don't care about abs, or just genuinely like playing their games all day. The "improvement" is really relative to ones own values. The only thing in common is we want sex and relationships, and being direct about it is the way. Not trying to say go be a bum, incredibly obese loser, but current advice trends are bordering workaholic incentives and becoming a gymrat, …
/r/seduction10/08/22 08:54 AM
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At least where i live, that is reserved for attractive people both genders.
/r/seduction10/08/22 08:49 AM
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Any good sources or routines you used/still use for cold approaching? It seems to be the way currently, if you can't improve odds, improve volume, cold approaching that is.
/r/seduction10/08/22 08:48 AM
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I think he is doing this to get more status and have a cool hobby/job to show off when talking to women outside of work. Like guys going to the military just to have the uniform status behind them, so they become more attractive.
/r/seduction10/08/22 08:30 AM
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This is not my problem at all, i think my biggest 2 problems is lack of IOI's and hating wasting time with girls stringing me along.
/r/seduction08/08/22 08:17 PM
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Well the point is, what i am aiming to learn is exactly that, because i clearly get visibly tilted when i am doing small talk going nowhere talking about stuff i don't care, it is very boring and a waste of time IMO. This is why Alan caught my attention because his method is straight to the point and getting rejected ASAP or just getting laid. Truth be told i hate game, but this is the "minimum input" approach and i wonder if this is a pipe dream, or an achievable objective. I tried learning the…
/r/seduction08/08/22 07:26 PM
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/r/seduction08/08/22 07:04 AM
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I really just considered going to a bootcamp recently and seeing what the guy is going to teach me something that works for me specifically. And honestly, i don't find myself ugly at all, i like my current appearance, but i have shitty results currently so i doubt others see myself the way i do. And what is that i need to practice to be good at direct so i can pull it off, that is what i precisely am trying to learn, because i don't even know where to start with it.
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:43 AM
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I just don't want to put in triple effort for something the other person got completely for free. Like i feel very disposable and bad about the whole thing. I don't mind giving love to reciprocal people, it just seems that accepting girls will never ever make a move or show intent in any deliberately sexual way if there is no other incentive or gain from it makes me feel really bad about myself sexually, since i am not ugly by any specific metrics, it makes no sense for me to be treated like a f…
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:41 AM
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And why is that?, i already do hire prostitutes since they are legal around here, there is a different kind of humiliating in that too. Is it so wrong to want to be loved, as in liked by people, i feel like a disgusting dirty ape trying to put on a show so my masters feed me when i am gaming around, that breeds a special kind of hatred that i don't like and kills my mood. This is a genuine question really, i already go to the gym and i'm starting to get serious about my diet, i am very young sti…
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:12 AM
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It's not that i don't care, i just don't value sex with women i find hot work years of determination in the gym, career grinding, money spending, and of course free attention and time given. Like sex is not really that valuable, it is basically 30min/1 hour of fun, hopefully coupled with a pleasant company that helps me feel happy and hot basically. When i hear people saying go chase LMS, practice game non-stop, be hypersocial, keep trying in spite of odds, etc., it just makes my goal void, i ju…
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:06 AM
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If it actually works to get laid on a regular basis on a low stress level, then i really don't mind the trouble. I just noticed i made a drug dealer break up with his GF, while almost getting broke up myself, i didn't even kiss her, i just didn't mind it at all. Also what is bill cosby's method??, i may be either too young or dumb to remember.
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:57 AM
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Again what i am just asking is if anyone has any kind of experience with the method the book suggests. As in being straight forward with respect, does that shit even work, if so how. Because being honest with a girl and going "Excuse Ma'am, but your bright eyes are really making my veins diameter increase, so may i ask if i can stick my penis in you a couple times because i really want to". Truth be told, i sometimes just see a hot girl and want to fuck her, i don't care much about her day or ho…
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:45 AM
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That is exactly my problem, i absolutely can't "figure things out", as in just spamming game does not make it improve for me, since feedback is basically non-existant. And if someone already figured something that i want to do out, i won't pave a second path, i will just take the road someone paved already.
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:37 AM
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Just a way to point out you are willing to lead with your wallet, and sometimes it's what can drag chicks in. Yes they are golddiggers, but some guys don't care.
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:07 AM
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That wasn't the question at all, i know kevin pretty well, what i am asking is if there is anywhere where i can post pictures for evaluation.
/r/seduction19/07/22 02:15 AM
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Most men never get complimented by women like that ever, just assume attraction will be unequal at first glance.
/r/seduction17/07/22 09:32 PM
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on to the next shiny object. It's exhausting. Although, I see your point, but many gir
/r/seduction10/07/22 06:43 PM
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Oh a lot of people i know play league, but the girls who do play league are those tiktok otaku wife looking girls, if hot usually does cosplay too, not that they are bad or anything, but the competition is just WAAY too fierce.
/r/seduction03/07/22 11:36 PM
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Goddamnit bro, i have a league tattoo in line LOL
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:11 PM
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Insanely good point, this is actually very helpful indeed, if i was a reddit trillionaire i would give award, but i am not so kudos to you.
/r/seduction03/07/22 06:21 PM
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Oh i have a bunch of weird interesting things about me, but what i get is that unfortunately people don't also seem interested in that, as in they aren't interested in getting to know you so they don't even bother listening. I don't think i am doing anything clearly wrong, it is just that most people are looking at dating in a "what will you provide me in exchange for me to get my ass out of bed", people are looking to add more value to their own lives but not necessarily add you to their lives.…
/r/seduction03/07/22 05:08 PM
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I actually just try to lead with a neutral opening so i actually get to scan the person properly and just not fantasize about her nature. It just happens to be a fact i find out by actually trying, and i really am unaware if i am actually doing something wrong so women actively try to dismiss me by being boring, or they just are kind of really like that. So the point is that i am trying to do something, it's just that i am failing, miserably and horribly.
/r/seduction03/07/22 04:40 PM
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My age group is 21 years old, most people my age are either on their shift or just stuck at home, and older women in general are just a bit too alien still for me. Mind you there are some quite hot 30+ women, and even if they are good people and nice to talk to, they have WAY too much baggage for me to deal with, like there are 30+ women with kids jn ages they could be my brother, so it gets just weird. Also older women have seen it all, much harder to seduce someone who has a lot of experience …
/r/seduction03/07/22 04:29 PM
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This is precisely my issue, i have no problem asking what people do or just with the approach in general. Is that whenever a girl tells you all she does is instagram stuff and her psychology major (i actually like psychology, this is an example), and just go out and drink in the weekends to get some photos for social media, yeah she is incredibly boring and i have a hard time pretending someone isn't boring or trying to remain excited and asking more questions. Like yeah i am not very interested…
/r/seduction03/07/22 03:58 PM
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That is not my issue at all, my problem is that it becomes superficial quickly and there is not much to talk about, and asking women questions is basically torture, women are usually terrible at leading a conversation unless she is already interested in you, which game is unrequired in this case. I usually succeed when i manage situations where i barely talk to the girl, and boy do i HATE dancing, like it is totally not my gig, but so far it is the only way i sneaked a few kisses.
/r/seduction03/07/22 02:46 PM
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I think besides 4 and 5 that is not something most girls are into, ESPECIALLY the wrong cloud, i don't know how to cook, but some girls don't know how to make ramen, like it's absurd. With zodiac signs i am knowledgeable slightly but i kind of hate so my usual play is showing i know what i am talking about and calling it shitty, this is quite triggering but never got the opportunity to do this while flirting. Songs are complicated especially since most girl don't know what are the songs the DJ i…
/r/seduction03/07/22 01:29 PM
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Your own opinion does not provide you with anything extra to you, others opinion of you might provide however. Loving yourself won't make people give you shit or fuck you, only they thinking you are lovable will, this is exactly why PUA shit works, it employs all sorts of tricks and tactics in order to manipulate people's opinion of you so they will give you whatever you want that they have, be it money, job offer, pussy, a shoulder to cry on, whatever. However the intent of this is getting what…
/r/seduction02/07/22 09:27 AM
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In the context of sex and seduction it is the only thing tha makes sense to value. As in your objective is to make her opinion about you the best you possibly can, so she will be willing to date/fuck/be casual with you. So you thinking you're a legend that deserves the best, does nothing to your objective if you can't make her opinion of you be in the same page.
/r/seduction30/06/22 07:56 AM
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Thus why i don't think my metal t-shirts or glasses are my problem.
/r/seduction30/06/22 02:29 AM
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My problem with that is only that i don't look good in "cool" clothes, i look like a big child, instead of a 21 year old i look like i am 16 in those. Like with baggy pants, hat, nike t-shirt, i look way too weird. For me it is usually only a jeans shirt with pants that aren't also jeans and a cool flat shoe, but it looks a bit indeed classy but i am at least neither looking childish nor ugly.
/r/seduction30/06/22 02:24 AM
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If i actually get a one on one date i basically consider it already scored. My problem is usually finding a good safe opening to get a girl the fuck out of the club.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:57 AM
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Oh no the girls are not the problem, jealous male orbiters and staff are the problem. I am not scared of getting rejections, my fear is being beaten up.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:50 AM
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This is the case, however i got beaten up and kicked out so many times already that i actually toned down my game. Especially when drug dealers are present and sometimes these guys are armed, it is not fun to be kicked out at gunpoint. I really need to be ambiguous about my approach, as in plausible deniability. I am not american, brazil is far less safe of a country.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:21 AM
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Mostly friendzones, some girls wanted to be girlfriends, but i want casual stuff, i am not interested in dating at all.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:03 AM
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The thing is the enviroment i'm in it is a bit dangerous to do that, most clubs have woke police (literally there is "anti-harassment staff"), and the last time i tried to be more forward i got kicked out of the club. So most guys actually don't approach anymore, and when women do approach they only do for the cream de la creme of men there. And in daygame this is obviously harder and i don't do that. Also i spend a bit of time on more rural towns, if you do that and people know your name you ar…
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:02 AM
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And it is mostly due to physique because i basically look like depressed guitarrist from my style alone. But facially i just look like the friendly class clown.
/r/seduction30/06/22 12:26 AM
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Should i say hi first or just go straight for it.
/r/seduction29/06/22 11:54 PM
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In fact i am quite the worst kind of asshole, the one who doesn't look like one.
/r/seduction29/06/22 11:30 PM
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That would be basically more than 5 years of work from where i am right now for this to even make economic sense for me. Like the only advantage i would have by moving out right now is getting laid and this doesn't justify paying almost 200k for a micro flat.
/r/seduction29/06/22 09:10 AM
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Now i think you are on to something here, because this is one situation where i would kind of be clueless in, as in i have no good excuse besides "You're really hot, may i fuck you in the bathroom now?". And honestly i think this would be kind of a hard sell for me, since i would find it a bit hard to compliment her on things besides hotness, and since i am no stud, this might be a really quick path into sexual harassment. I do about 10 approaches a week, usually all in the weekend, outside of t…
/r/seduction29/06/22 06:10 AM
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Ok so as a guy who lacks good logistics i find daygame very hard, since i can't just invite them over, or offer a ride to X place. And nightgame is very expensive for me at least. I really have a hardtime finding good hunting spots, like in the streets, supermarket?, most common place i go is the mall which i find super awkward to approach, but i still do sometimes. I do most of my approaches in the clubs i go but i really don't know how to proceed since i am from my POV apparently doing everyth…
/r/seduction29/06/22 05:50 AM
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Well this makes the whole proccess much more difficult, and about this i can firmly say i at least am a master at getting friendzoned. Basically the only guys who don't end up friendzoned are just turbochad level guys, the rest either score quickly or become friendzoned. I am sincerely considering just faking that i want an LTR and play the lying game, really the only way i think i could make this work is faking wanting an LTR.
/r/seduction29/06/22 04:46 AM
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College, i am 21, currently only income i have is crypto. I do drive but don't have a car, live with parents. So my options are basically either insta-close, motel, or her having her own place AND invite me over. Which honestly makes things quite awkward, especially if i don't really have much to talk about with complete strangers. I don't think "Hey you're really hot, and i wanted to ask if i could just kiss you and fuck you senseless in a motel room" is ever gonna work. Sure sometimes you have…
/r/seduction29/06/22 04:35 AM
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The videos are all good and i get the concepts he is teaching. But what i am looking for is a live coach thing AKA a bootcamp basically.
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:07 PM
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No, i heard a lot of whack about the guy, i used to follow him but i stopped after the backlash. Also i am not american, i am looking more for a live coach kind of thing.
/r/seduction28/06/22 09:44 PM
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Todd is mostly a bunch of crap, he is known for paying girls to act. While the content might be good on the surface that is suspicious.
/r/seduction28/06/22 08:37 PM
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This is the thing, from my POV my ideal FWB would be someone i just vibe with sometimes, maybe we do gym together or met at college, that we just lose LP together and maybe go to a club after and just go be apes together in the club, and also happen to be fucking each other. And this different combination of not only interests but personalities, as in club people usually introverted, nerds introverts, club people tend to be more trendy "bimbo-ish", and gamers to be more alternative, metalworkers…
/r/seduction28/06/22 08:26 AM
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So thinking this is a pretty common occurence, i don't know what guys do to handle this properly. Or they actually are just really good at faking, but that is something that seems unenjoyable, so basically pointless to try.
/r/seduction28/06/22 08:05 AM
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So, i will take your reply as an attempt to help. My biggest problem i think is that i really am passionate about things that don't tipically mesh well together so i am a bit awkward in that sense. I for example am a huge gaming nerd but i really love clubbing as my main activity outside gaming for example, and i do some wood/metalworking as a hobby whenever i am countryside. And i actually am really into those things, but telling girls at a club about how i was struggling to keep my forge hot, …
/r/seduction28/06/22 08:03 AM
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I think most are a scam but i definitely think there are capable pros out there, i just have no idea on how to tell if a guy is probably a scam.
/r/seduction28/06/22 07:56 AM
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Shit we are getting scammed here dad. Also since the girls don't pay the free venues are either filled with couples, drunkards both male and female, and single men only looking for alcohol. Like i am not american, but if i convert prices, while it is about 6$ dollars entrance into some places if you buy tickets beforehand, it can go up to 15$ at the door, and after 1am they don't allow anyone in anymore. So for comparison a jack n coke here runs about 8 dollars inside the clubs. So you could wel…
/r/seduction28/06/22 06:12 AM
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How did you managed to not get drunk or to go into a bar by yourself and not order anything, isn't that very obvious to the point of looking desperate? If i changed venues frequently i would go broke because clubs charge men to get in, and sometimes it can get very expensive, to the point of not worth it. Like i am not wasting 100$ just to get in 3 places in one night that is excessive i guess.
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:02 AM
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This honestly also only happens to some really top tier guys and still its rare. What i most commonly see in clubs are girls on the fucking phone, taking pictures and sending messages. They usually don't look around, they are mostly looking for attention, not actually interacting sadly. And most of the time those cues are just not present, at least not for me.
/r/seduction28/06/22 02:02 AM
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How do you go about being approached, this RARELY happens to be honest, and to others too. I saw this a handful of times only, so idk how it happens.
/r/seduction28/06/22 01:54 AM
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Genius!!!
/r/seduction17/04/22 02:28 AM
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I mean maybe they have a rock fetish who knows, Have you ever thrown rocks at them to test?
/r/seduction17/04/22 02:24 AM
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Only to do one thing and one thing only, The rest of my duties don't get any benefit from this really
/r/seduction14/04/22 05:10 PM
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Oh no i definitely love the stimulus but never being able so go all the way is what tilts me, I'm currently on a trip, i think i will rather just start approaching, better than just look forever LOL
/r/seduction14/04/22 05:04 PM
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This is very hard being in college and in brazil, Those shorts women wear are way too short to not notice, And sometimes it is above the curvature of their ass, in like it shows like 30% of their butts naked, Pure torture LOL, not quitting college because of that, ROFL
/r/seduction14/04/22 04:27 PM
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My flirting now is about, mostly, making them see very minor details about them that i personally found hot, Maybe its the resting bitch face, maybe it's the extra curves that feel great to grab, maybe it's something weird about their hair, The trick is just paying attention to detail...
/r/seduction14/04/22 04:25 PM
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South East Asia
/r/seduction14/04/22 02:13 AM
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No one will straight up tell you are ugly, trust math and science and do the calculations yourself. About the people around you, be careful if they aren't strawmanning you, and using you as a reminder that everything could be worse, Example is DUFF women, the ugly girl in the group whose purpose is to make the others look prettier, About your many dates, what was your successful strategy, i might also bet with you being this young, you got them early, like 15/16 years, the age where women form t…
/r/seduction14/04/22 02:09 AM
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If this sickly man can get dates, everyone should, You 100% need to start a dating coaching channel, because if you are indeed being successful, this is really a big accomplishment, Maybe facial aesthetics are your trick?
/r/seduction14/04/22 02:00 AM
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Plot twist they are sperm collection machines send by the lizards to collect DNA to help make a new virus/s
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:58 AM
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Wtf you are a twig LOL, you are even skinnier than i am, You are however younger, someone supply this man with calorie shakes IMMEDIATELY LOL
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:57 AM
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Allright these are 100% lizardmen disguised as women, this defies the sub logic and thus must be a fake female/s
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:55 AM
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Are you male or female? Men usually have the weight and age limits, Maybe your preferences are wide because most men's preference is wider by default, since we get less options to choose from and we, as men, need as many options as one can get, Women's preference is basically requirement because most likely someone they know will fit their preferences already, options spoil them LOL
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:54 AM
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Are you taking their words at face value, or they actually go through with what they say and really date these men for real?
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:51 AM
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Age range?, maybe they have lost prejudice from having good EXP from dating short men?, Maybe i guess these people being from your social circle could be a bubble effect, Some girl telling her GFs that short guys are the bomb, and they end up all with the preference?, Idk, if you are not lying, then this 100% looks like a bubble thing
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:49 AM
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Still is nuts, most women do care that you are at least a few inches taller than them, Maybe you live in a much different culture, because from my experience they 100% care
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:45 AM
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I mean not trying to defend the guy claiming hopelessness, But saying girls don't care at all is nuts, AT THE MINIMUM you have to be taller than them
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:43 AM
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5'8" is dead average where i live, I can get my scraps if i try hard enough, and lower my standards a good bit LOL, If your height is such a problem that it bothers you, you have a few options, You either do limb lengthening, which i can't advise against enough, Or you just move, preferably where people are shorter than you and your looks are in vogue, Luckily you already know the ideal place, being SEA, Or you could try beating the odds at home it can also work
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:41 AM
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Mind expanding?, should i get some supplements then?, I think my anti depressants are SSRIs already, and most SSRIs just made me lazy and suicidal, this one is fine tho.....
/r/seduction13/04/22 10:20 PM
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I fail to pretend i don't care because i do LOL, very much, Like even if i am trying to "be laidback, not try and just be present, it smells of fakeness very much", And honestly i have a lot of female friends but no luck getting laid so far, maybe i am just ugly and don't realize it?
/r/seduction13/04/22 08:36 PM
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This was a poor translation, What i am saying is, for someone very focused on getting laid, i am doing a terrible job
/r/seduction13/04/22 08:31 PM
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I don't even watch porn anymore, it must be because i actually came from a relationship in the past and now the dry spell is very long if you don't count pros, Honestly my only peace time is when i am out sarging and trying to get laid, because the thought of maybe is better than analysing my current stats and noticing i'm doing very, very poorly, The rest of my life is great, it is just this one detail that makes it all seem irrelevant, Maybe my ex got me addicted to pussy, who knows
/r/seduction13/04/22 08:06 PM
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That wasn't the case in my last relationship LOL, Really i only managed to breakup when the sex stopped, then i saw why i was with her all that time, and broke up, I already spend too much on pros, it doesn't cut for me since it is very mechanical and restricted what you are allowed to do
/r/seduction13/04/22 07:56 PM
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That wasn't the case in my last relationship LOL, Really i only managed to breakup when the sex stopped, then i saw why i was with her all that time, and broke up, I already spend too much on pros, it doesn't cut for me since it is very mechanical and restricted what you are allowed to do
/r/seduction13/04/22 07:55 PM
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Welp this is weird, especially since, When i look and can barely contain the fact that i am thirsty all the time, girls back off
/r/seduction13/04/22 06:57 PM
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Introversion is not an excuse to not be out there, It is however an excuse to bring them back in, I'm extroverted too, so this is pure theory, i'm dryer than the saharan desert right now LOL
/r/seduction13/04/22 06:13 PM
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Introversion HARDLY means anti-social, you could 100% use it in your favour, You could go to a crowded place and use the infamous, "I'm an introverted guy, i prefer having convos 1on1, want to go grab a beer at a (insert more quiet venue), then you just tell her about X thing at your place, (could be the damn bass), and bam, now you are in the introvert heaven, just you and hot girl at your place" Also a good thing would be to no matter what you do, paint your bass and band in good light and sho…
/r/seduction13/04/22 06:05 PM
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I mean sure, but the "i will cancel this guy" mentality is strong, in the campus enviroment it could make me lose my major LOL
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:27 PM
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Yeah i absolutely agree, however even if she yells at you sometimes she is not shit testing you, she is rightfully mad LOL
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:18 PM
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Well it is kind of the case but it is very different the car salesman analogy, from something like an ice cream stand, when you are selling ice cream, there is no selling needed, people already know what they want, you just don't fuck it up and keeps it chill, I would rather sell ice cream than cars, this is i guess where being hot would help, i am the very product LOL
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:16 PM
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Not with the same words and terminology but yes, Most of those girls alsp hate the game, even when don't know they are playing it, And overall yes, people can be interesting indeed, but those are not the majority unfortunately, And often the girls i have zero sexual attraction, are the coolest of them all, unsurprisingly, When you aren't eye candy they become ear candy at least...
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:12 PM
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It indeed seems i need to plan a heist in my local library, A lot of dem books to read
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:09 PM
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Author?
/r/seduction12/04/22 04:50 PM
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Yeah exactly why i don't mind my friendzones, It is just frustrating testosterone wise
/r/seduction12/04/22 04:45 PM
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I only do this to avoid making it too much of a wall of text
/r/seduction12/04/22 04:43 PM
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No im innthe racking numbers phase at 21 LOL
/r/seduction12/04/22 04:39 PM
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I mean what is what i have already been doing, so it kind of answers the question, Will see how the grind unfolds in the future, Thanks for reply btw.
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:50 PM
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I mean i don't offer my shoulder to cry, usually it is me complaining LOL, And yes, those girls try to hook me up, but there are some truly hideous girls out there too, i promptly refused that offer when it came LOL, And unfortunately, those girls that i kept tabs with are introverts with few friends outside of me, possibly all their friends i already know, Also do you believe i should ask for those girls to go with me while opening my sets?, you gave me a good idea, will try that for sure..
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:02 PM
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Yeah the only way to win here is by being the hottest/best, so you get chosen as a 1st option, the further you are from the peak, the worse it gets, Like an average women might never be girlfriend material for a hot guy, who basically views her as a booty call,and gets used to him and by him, when she realized who will actually commit to her, she will never be satisfied and the guy knowing or guessing by association her past, also doesn't respect her but he lacks options so he can't choose, The …
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:54 PM
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I mean all of them actively know that it is a friendzone, And the whole pretending thing is more about pretending that i care about the subject or talking in general, sometimes it is fun and all but, The real pretending came from the way i portray myself, yeah i admit i am a hyper inflated ego guy, who is very extroverted and isn't the most polite either, I am stubborn, straightforward, bold to the point of recklessness, and somewhat arrogant indeed, I pretended not to be like that for many year…
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:41 PM
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These men keep a woman traumatized about other men while they sleep around, they check the one who is less damaged and wife her up, if they ever stop game, that is, Now the other men who weren't successful won't wife up a girl who gave her best years away, a good bunch actually do but they don't respect their wives deep down, and treat them as what they could get, This is the crux of AF/BB, the not so successful guy that grinds his 20s ends up marrying the girl the hot guy used and abused, and i…
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:17 PM
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I was writing the reply and my phone died, F, Like the overall point is not that i don't enjoy flirting i just hate beating around the bush, and being direct absolutely works but only if you are in a more private situation or you isolate the girl, And all of that calibration is just something i deeply hate and goes against even some of my few values, mainly transparency, it is not that i don't enjoy talking or doing the dance to escalate and close, What i don't enjoy is that sometimes the girl i…
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:07 PM
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Other men do i never did, and here i 100% agree with you, But i understand their strategy, they want to slut shame women, and then use manipulation to walk around that, but since few men know how to do it, that women will only sleep around with the men who know that, it is very clear to me as some friends confessed this using other words, Me being guilty of doing that in the past while trying to learn, now i don't like doing that anymore, Now i honestly believe that the girls i sleeped with, if …
/r/seduction11/04/22 09:19 PM
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The sky is blue here, is there any place where it isn't, That is the question, To avoid confusion, is the whole pretending and seducing the only option i have, or is there any place, group, etc., where this is not the case,
/r/seduction11/04/22 09:07 PM
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I actually do think about this, and it flows naturally because i am enjoying the process, It's not that i find game hard, is that i don't like game, and it becomes transparent if my sets take too long, Deep down i am like, "You know that i'm here wanting sex, because you are hot, and i couldn't care less about how your morning went or what brand is this new boots you are wearing, i want to fuck, not talk" Obviously some sets are enjoyable but they are the exception, Those enjoyable sets that i f…
/r/seduction11/04/22 09:05 PM
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So conclusion is either grind enough to the point you get asked out first, Or you manipulate, deceive, and well, seduce women, Not that those are things impossible for me to do, it is just that the ROI is low, but the latter is miles better than the former, Like imagine you grind for 5 years, get a high paying job, get a greek statue physique, expand your social power, adquire status, you will not want the average women anymore because that will 100% be settling, it is the same thing that if i a…
/r/seduction11/04/22 08:55 PM
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This is all wrong on so many levels LOL, at least in my enviroment within my social circle that is my campus and surrounding bars, but girls who approach basically always get laid, and the guys are usually clueless, and sometimes even ugly, The other girls giggle about said guy, but don't even bother to know his name, that guy usually can't believe this hot girl wanted him, but it usually happens because i wingman for my girlfriends all the time, and do the icebreaking for them, the guy then usu…
/r/seduction11/04/22 08:28 PM
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I don't treat women like dirt that is you assuming i do, In all honesty i am complaining about being required to lie and deceive to get laid more and i don't like that, the whole post is actually against what you are complaining, I don't like being fake and putting 99999 facades just so a woman won't get her self image attacked, A good example is the whole netflix and chill thing, EVERYONE knows you are going to your/her place to fuck each other senseless, but you can't just invite her over with…
/r/seduction11/04/22 08:11 PM
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Welp, let's see what the future holds, until them wish us both luck and pussy, cheers
/r/seduction11/04/22 08:00 PM
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The thing is not exactly the point, Even girls who actually want to hookup can't be told at face value that this is a hookup, it's the whole plausible deniability thing, It is like you must make the girl think it was 100% your idea, And no the reason i have many female friends and don't hookup often is because after i got friendzoned, some of them ended up being good people i would want as friends, not all of them tho, some women i only was interested in sex because they ended up being boring an…
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:58 PM
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The whole crux is, do i have any other choice that isn't being either deceitful, sly, and well, seductive, Or i have to absolutely grind and become 6 pack 6 foot 6 figure to be remotely attractive, and be nice on top of that, I honestly rather just pick the former, and talk myself out of the guilt of being abusive of people in general, the ROI is better
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:43 PM
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Thus why i made the whole post, are those my 2 options?, This is worse than the US 2 party system LOL, you either vote in crapman or mr. Shitson
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:40 PM
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Most men realized that the only way they can get women is my manipulating AKA seducing them, Honestly most men are not the first choice and will never be, since they know that the girl they will end up with likely has some sketchy secrets, and would never date him if she didn't have 3 kids and a mortgage, As such most men end up with these women just because they want to fuck something on a consistent basis, I will admit i am one of those guys and my last relationship was toxic, ended badly, but…
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:38 PM
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I mean i kinda want to be a manwhore but i'm neither very attractive, nor enjoy the fake "game" and all, If i wanted an LTR i guess i could already have found one, the issue is that it seems girls crave commitment more than they crave men LOL, All in all i think i need to either move, or just change my goals altogether, i can't be reborn and made attractive so that is hardly a thing, we'll see but honestly, Not being yourself for others breed resentment for others and i really don't want to end …
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:19 PM
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I mean i have no problems making friends whatsoever i am very social and like going out, However the bulldozer thing is real, and i tend to control it but i feel like im restrained all the time while i do it, It's like you want to do something but you stop yourself from doing it, And honestly, it makes the experience quite frustrating, like i want to just move things X way but it ends going Y because i can't just do it else people get pissed, All my friends know im a little bit mad ngl, i'm the …
/r/seduction11/04/22 07:16 PM
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Look, i did that in the past, didn't marry but dated LTR, in the end we basically hated each other because she was emotionally abusive and i was in it for sex only, while we liked each other we definitely were incompatible, She wanted to focus on herself and go the career route, and i really never liked LTR dating in the first place, This is why i'm refusing to date again, because i really don't like anything about an LTR that it can't be attained outside of one, Overall it is not for me, if i g…
/r/seduction11/04/22 06:21 PM
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The answer seems to be an overcompetitive market, never in history people, women precisely, had so many options and freedom of choice, our biology isn't adapted to this enviroment yet, Dating nowadays feels like pleasing children that are spoiled rotten, because an equally desperate hot men gave her the D and she now realizes she can get that, and in fact get away with a lot of shit because of testosterone, Like people in the wild and ancient times, really just had a choice between the neighbor …
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:58 PM
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I think it all stems that people fear that their true character will be judged, and well it will, In all honesty it just is very irrelevant, why would a girl that won't be sucking you dry tonight be important to you?, like it won't matter much
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:50 PM
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That really is true, however it is not exactly a masculine behaviour thing and more of a desire repression, Men like women, and can be very carnal and visceral about it, we know men want to grab a girl and carry her to a bedroom then fuck her senseless, we determine physical attraction in seconds and in a few minutes we have a good opinion in fuckable or not, And we are required to not express our innermost desires because that is evil, honestly if women realized that they can just pepper spray …
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:47 PM
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The crux is, my natural self doesn't work, i am being required to be fake, and pretending stuff to be more than it is, Like if i lied about commitment i think i could get laid right now
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:28 PM
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Well that is why i am now being very direct, it might not be working but certainly saves time, for example, i tell people straight away when i get escalation that i don't want anything serious, Some girls i would love to tell them that they are hot and we should just go have sex and skip the talking because she absolutely sucks at talking LOL, Obviously i don't do any of this because else they feel offended because i only want sex, "she wants a guy who loves her" is what they say when in reality…
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:27 PM
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My biggest gripe with this is that i can't be really radically honest, The girls im in the friendzone of i don't even try, i was honest with them that from now on they would need to convince me to do them, even though i want it too, And after i get a no, well that is how those girls know i think they are hot, after i got the no, welp i don't care what they think of my opinions, i just call them hotties and if they don't like it they better tell me because that is how i view them, They aren't onl…
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:22 PM
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I got a respectful no, but i only was able to because i felt confortable she wasn't scolding me, Otherwise it was really only something who got me the "coming off too strong" type of no, overall it kind of sucks, F One thing that i really got pissed off with my women friends, is that they find a bunch of random guys hot, don't ever talk to them or show any kind of IOIs they just hope the guy will sniff it and just approach, Being direct is how i operate most of the time, but not as direct as i w…
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:01 PM
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You are correct i agree, there is a catch, however, The deal seems to be that i don't think i have the SMV to pull that, however i bet many girls are willing to date however
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:55 PM
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Yeah i think the mistery is what i kind of hate, i tend to shed light on a lot of stuff, if i think something is off i don't like pretending, If i find you hot and want to fuck you right now, it is hard pretending that is not the only thing in my mind right now, If you are super cool but ugly chick, it makes me feel bad having to pretend i don't find you hideous to not offend you, even if that fact won't change that said person could be an incredible and valuable friend, Like when people call ev…
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:51 PM
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You didn't get it, i understand that playing the game as it is is logical, But logical is a bad word, what i meant is being straightforward and direct, which is how i conduct things, if i need X thing done i just hack a plan up and do it, like if you need to fix something, you just find a way to fix it ASAP, What i don't like is the whole pretending that my interaction with some girl is more than what it actually is, sometimes the girls are super cool, most often they are not, and pretending i f…
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:48 PM
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Thruth is, since i'm not willing to commit to a monogamous thing right now, it as been really hard brah, Girls usually want boyfriends, especially the non trashy ones, I am kinda douchey myself, but i'm always avoiding being an asshole, not the same thing, Hyper self centered with an sky high ego, maybe, asshole never
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:40 PM
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Well i don't have the luxury of sit back currently, since i'm an engineering major and well, no girls in a 200mile radius LOL, F If i don't hunt i don't get any interaction with women that aren't either friends already or rejected me too, bigger F
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:38 PM
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The thing is, being straightforward is seem on a negative light, I would like to just be honest and straightforward, but people get offended so i need to progress much more slowly than i prefer, And i feel like i'm beating around the bush, while i want to just jump straight in, and sometimes it is obvious,
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:30 PM
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If you are sly and smart you can be pretty suggestive, not being able to be suggestive is actually what kills it for me, people get offended and honestly, rejection is one thing, being offended by my attempt is much worse, And i will be honest IRL it is very much an RPG in the literal sense, you need to play roles and characters to get anywhere, the thruth seems like it must be hidden else another hotter simp will, God i hate simps so much, where is their father to kick their sons asses
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:27 PM
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An attractive, fun, intelligent, and that shares some hobbies with me, is a rare gem, i do find them sometimes, but not even most of my current girl friends come close to that, I will add that if you do such an activity you don't enjoy, to get a reward, it feels like a job and well dating as a job is just not fun, Sure i can pull, but after it is not very rewarding considering i grinded an incredibly boring amount of time, thus it would be better if i could cut straight to the center, And while …
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:24 PM
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I actually don't understand what you are trying to say, Mind expanding?
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:12 PM
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Mom is the ultimate wing lady, Actually this is unsurprising, imagine you are a mom, let's not forget, a woman too, if mom, who loves her daughter, approves of you and think you are a good catch, Then it's a good catch for her daughter too and often will be very helpful indeed!
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:07 PM
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Honestly since i know a little bit of law, family is full of law majors, i when i see a girl like that i just accuse them of crime and tell the bouncer that if they don't do anything i'm suing the place, a friend records the whole thing, works every time,
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:05 PM
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Yeah that is kinda the crux of the post, i don't want to deal with children, even if they are hot, i honestly believe that for a 30yo man, a 20yo girl is basically a child, since i could almost be her father already, a 35yo easily couldve been her father LOL, Obviously 20yos are the hottest, most attractive women, i just want to get the exp while being 20 too, not when i'm 32yo, at that point i want to be occupied with my kids and focusing on that,
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:02 PM
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The moment you turn around it's another guy already, the only way to stop people doing that to your gf is standing behind her, and probably getting your ass smacked too, since there are gay men and even single girls, who will do this too, Not much different than that video of the girl with red lipsticks kissing a bunch of mens backs and marking their shirts with red lipstick, and just running away giggling, if a random girl did that to me and tried to run she would be pummeled imediately, that i…
/r/seduction10/04/22 09:45 PM
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Let's be practical here, you have about 2 hours to type the very basics of what you saw, sure you can drop the sneak peak right, I'm currently getting ready to go again to said venue, so not much time for watching this, Maybe if you tell which video it helps
/r/seduction10/04/22 07:38 PM
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It might be a small chance but, people 100% will pass their hands in your GF but "accidentally", since music everywhere is very vulgar she will be dancing some pretty vulgar stuff if she decides too, you need to basically escort her 24/7 else other guys will approach, sometimes even i did on mistake, sometimes the guy went to the bathroom and i would talk to his girl, some nerves of steel are required especially if it's packed because you could get smacked before security notices, its brootal
/r/seduction10/04/22 06:51 PM
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You touched a topic i noticed, im good at getting friendzoned, 90% friends are friendzoned people i vibe really well, obv all girls, but maybe i'm too friendly and embracing, i like my social group so act as integrator most of the time, "the guy who introduces you in" basically, and since i operate in a no mercy system, all my friends know they could have benefits provided they don't expect me to simp, But i gave them the first chance, they have to buy the second, as in convince me why i should,…
/r/seduction10/04/22 05:32 PM
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Because at least here most men don't respect silver rings very much and micro and full on cheating is kind of rampant, most guys also have less than trustworthy GFs, so in this enviroment it is kind of asking to get cucked live
/r/seduction10/04/22 04:52 PM
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I think i replied to that already, i will check EDIT:i already answered, your advice really doesn't seem based on reality, i might think myself very ok looking, but some of the stuff that hampers my looks are surgical markings, which i actually can't fix, the factors 100% in my control i take care of already, grooming, personal style, overall health, exercise, etc., i take fairly decent care of, The rest is absolutely things i can't totally control, calibrating, game reception, genetics, etc., t…
/r/seduction10/04/22 03:33 PM
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Again this is 100% not constructive if you don't provide context and base for your claims, Yes it may be off but why, if it is of you must have noticed what causes it right?
/r/seduction10/04/22 03:28 PM
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I honestly will tell you that i as 20 year old, am already starting to see the 16, 17yo crowd as kids, and when you see your partner as children you can't possibly fuck them, i'm not the pervert type LOL I even see some girl my own age as hot, when i realize they are childish, i just focus on pump and dump, to no success obviously ROFL, the thing is, for having hookups 21s are king IMO, Now if you want another dependable and accountable adult human being in the same brain operation level, they a…
/r/seduction10/04/22 02:45 PM
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I mean, thanks for feedback? Will write it down for sure!
/r/seduction10/04/22 02:28 PM
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If you read the rest of the post, you will notice that i want to start a family early, because it is one of the few things that matters to me, Also i really, REALLY, have a bad time interacting with younger people than me, even my own age, the older ones however are not attractive, as i mature more this may also get worse, Also 24 i will be out of college already, or 1 year left, i will most likely be well known in campus thus making it fairly useless, 25 being prime age to have kids, this is a …
/r/seduction10/04/22 02:07 PM
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Even then, maybe the demographics of those venues is accomodating for couples so he ends up meeting a lot of stupid men who takes their girlfriends to a club LOL, Jokes apart, there was a bar i liked to go when i was still dating that was very nightlife-ish but was filled with couples, absolute dogshit place to find singles, but the venue is incredible and if you didn't mind getting a few i have a boyfriend's to your face, i imagine it would be marvelous, i obviously don't go there anymore witho…
/r/seduction10/04/22 01:46 PM
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You offered a good perspective honestly and here are my insights, We might be biologically inclined that way, but the moment i have to provide to a woman to be around me it proves the relationship transactional, at the moment the relationship turns transactional it literally, for me, i would treat her no different than an employee, And as a good business owner, i am looking to maximize my profits by hiring the best employees i have available, at this point i would focus on searching the best qua…
/r/seduction10/04/22 01:02 PM
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Now i'm actually stuck in the sugar dating as my guarantee now, as i don't think i will end up getting any results that are significant in 3 years, i was skinny fat now i'm skinny lean, still quite a bit underweight and my diet is starting to become very hard to not throw up, Also since economy is shit i will have a terrible time getting a new job, much worse moving out, thank god my parents are covering my uni, so i can at least study and have a meaningful social circle,
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:58 AM
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This sounds like a correct response but a surrendering one, Like sure you are just being confident and living your life and results are irrelevant, but then you are doing nothing besides just being out there to attain your success, its like people said you just go out with the idea of "getting lucky", You give up all control of the outcome IMO, you aren't actively trying to get anything here, at this point your only success could, theoretically be attributed to you "just being yourself and pure …
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:47 AM
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It's not exactly because you become higher value as much as it's because better options will refuse such woman and let you have them, If you are only looking to hookup forever it's fine, i wouldn't trust my wallet and children to an alpha widow, they are really deep down wanting to rejuvenate and go right back to the carousel, Well not exactly but they still want to feel the power that being desired is, even if they don't indulge they want to be able to, by definition then, they want to be power…
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:36 AM
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Alright just break it down then, why exactly?, Otherwise your reply is pretty unuseful, honestly
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:32 AM
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What i am telling overall is that the value i seek, will be highly stigmatized and conditioned by a time constraint, a women is her most valuable at 18-25, if a women shares absolutely 0% of that with me i would feel bad, and while the ideal is dating a woman that age and sticking to her, commiting when i reach 25 and try to start forming a family because that is valuable to me, If i fail to get that, next ideal is to indulge into many 18-25 women to sate my desire if i fail to lock down a quali…
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:31 AM
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Ok this still doesn't tell anything straight to me honestly, My thoughts are ducked up, but why, What i don't understand about the reality of dating women? What paradigm shift? All i got from your response was, everything is wrong, just change things and fix it, well i know i got to change but if i knew how i would not be asking for advice LOL
/r/seduction10/04/22 11:13 AM
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Look, this is not that simple as you make it sound to be, Because i already kind of do, i'm a heavy nihilist, but still quite a rookie in transition, i have abandoned most worries i had, including my ex, and trying to live a more logical and meaningless life, so far i had a few successes, mainly it killed my approach anxiety, i still drink a little bit but i don't get heavily drunk anymore to do it, daygame i approach groups much more easily than singles too, when i don't know what to say i just…
/r/seduction10/04/22 10:55 AM
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Then every young couple is about a boy manipulating a young girl, because women are clearly their most vulnerable and approachable at that age, And for some men it is a very enticing strategy, especially if they are behind in the race for getting a quality partner, some men clearly will never achieve success by competing head on, so they try to play different games, They realized that he will never be liked as a primary option or whatever, so he tries to capitalize what he can do, Like being ric…
/r/seduction10/04/22 10:29 AM
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I mean this is a valid concern, and from what i've seen, most "forced partnering" that occur, like arranged in the past, people who have accidental pregnancies, and decide to marry while young, tend to have much more solid relationships, And i attribute this with this whole idea that basically ignorance is bliss, If you don't taste many women and she doesn't taste many men, as long as you aren't some abusive or otherwise dysfunctional person, men or women, the marriage usually lasts, because the…
/r/seduction10/04/22 10:18 AM
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I will agree and disagree, It's grooming if you are a 23yo dude trying to prepare a 16yo girl to be your wife, It is very different from a 17 year old boy, trying to lock down a 16 year old girl before she realizes her hotness, and never look his way, Very different situations, Maybe the relationship would only work if 17YO engages early, if he waits some 3 years, even with a different girl, her life experiences will usually inflate her ego to were he becomes invisible, Strike first, strike hard…
/r/seduction10/04/22 10:12 AM
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I do gym 4 times a week on a currently quite painful diet, i also have a good face but i had some surgery that fucked up my facial symmetry so i am quite impaired in that sense, Without steroids i would need about 4 years to reach a respectable physique, by then college is over, and i am crawling still, Average women starts hoeing at 16, and 4 years later i am here, not because i was lazy but because i was pseudo married to my GF, we did everything we could do as if we were married, so i wasn't …
/r/seduction10/04/22 09:58 AM
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That is not exactly the point, you date younger so they don't get to grow up into women without you around, it attributes you value for being first, and if you do a good job you can mark her so deeply she will indeed even after an adult like you, Now if you try to wait for them to mature them you engage, you are now competing with a buyer that is aware of market prices, so if you don't have competitive offers you are out, this is not the case if you are fhe very first stand and convinces her to …
/r/seduction10/04/22 09:51 AM
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The reason is that this teasing serves a specific purpose and that is to break her standards down, And by attacking slowly one self image, they can reconsider their standards altogether, This is the core of negging, knocking her down a ladder so you can climb up to a place you can reach, The absolute chads have no use for this because socially they are already above the girl they are talking to, the girl already showed interest, now he has to just not fuck up and the girl will lead him if requir…
/r/seduction10/04/22 08:48 AM
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The moment i went to say hi, her ride arrived and picked all friends up, And i was with family behind me, they would freak out if i cold approached near them, typical cringe boomer things ya know, Since the town is small, every woman is either partnered, underage, or a geriatric widow, since the place is rural, it makes things harder
/r/seduction09/04/22 11:11 PM
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The thing is, when you find a GF you actually like, she will be held by the standard of the girl you are facetiming, if you keep your standard, then you will realize you are dating an equally or more worthy girl than even the model, Thus making you grateful and fullfilled, because you will feel you reached your dream girl, If it never happens, you will still be able to overpower many girls frames and keep getting laid
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:18 PM
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The biggest power this brings you is devaluing other girls, you could be talking to the hottest 10 in town without giving a damn because you still like the ugly chick you were with before so much more, When you realize you are better off than you were with the girl you had oneitis in the first place, it will be gone, then if you break up with this hot girl, then you have a new ideal girl thus putting you in a higher value than even more girls, This will lead to an inflated sense of self that, IM…
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:15 PM
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I may agree with you in that when you see a mess unfolding, i'm not letting it go apeshit, However if i fully fix the problem, my value as a problem fixer is now nil because there are no problems anymore, The same reason a plumber would intentionally do a poor job on fixing your pipes, because the next time they break they will call the plumber again, The same way a guy who sees a needy girl should cater to her needs, but hope she never stops being needy because then he will be useless, so he ta…
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:13 PM
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Instability and decay are things that cause chaos in our lives, which to me just means an opportunity to be the one who will fix it thus claim the prize of doing so, Misery is the greatest place to create value and be valuable, This is why people here often cite going in a SEA/Eastern europe trip, because there they are big fish in a small pond, Being an average american makes you rich in russia or vietnam, Being 6" in brazil makes you a titan, if you are in the netherlands however that is avera…
/r/seduction09/04/22 06:40 PM
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Again it only matters if you allow yourself to feel bad about it, The world is cruel af, this is standard, if you care about other people this much you are in for an endless quest
/r/seduction09/04/22 06:29 PM
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This post is geared towards people who have oneitis and are in the proccess of getting rid of it, Oneitis is bad but you can channel the shit energy into something more palatable, it is easier to forget your perfect Ex when a few not no perfect women are sucking your dick, The optimal situation is to get rid of it, but in the meanwhile, don't wait until you forget old girl to search for new one, it will be 100% rebound and that is fine, I got laid with a girl so ugly after i broke up i would pre…
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:28 PM
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Keep fucking them until you secure your LTR girl, At least you are getting free threesomes, the moment they aren't required anymore you dump them, For now i would say they are very useful
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:08 PM
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Honestly, if you approach enough, she replying or not becomes a statistic, if you really are wondering this much about a single interaction, you are giving too much relevance to a girl who hasn't offered you anything yet, Just approach more and ignore her, idk if you gave your number or not, if she texts you, great, if she doesn't she is irrelevant
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:01 PM
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I don't do porn, i was addicted previously but i avoid it now so i don't relapse, When i had a girlfriend about 6 months ago, that was less of problem, since i've been dating from 16 to 20, it is really hard to adapt to an empty bedroom, But lesson learned, only casual, no dating, i hate dating LOL
/r/seduction09/04/22 02:20 PM
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I think i'm bothered by this because my way of coping with my dryspell is to just channel the energy into approaching more, Since i can't do that over here, it becomes a thrash experience, no way to channel horniness into anything remotely distracting enough to keep me fine, I think i will just get a bus and leave family behind, and go back home
/r/seduction09/04/22 02:17 PM
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I made this post because many people here are incredibly extremist, with a popular local quote being, If you don't have 6 pack 6 figure job, 6 different hobbies, you aren't trying hard enough thus not allowed to complain, Which is just fake
/r/seduction09/04/22 02:13 PM
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Well if they were post-op and never told anything it might've been too late, That would totally suck, i will take the bigot tag please
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:08 AM
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No because i ran through all the cards in the 50 mile range, at that point with fuel being expensive, not very worth it, Also because i only matched with 2 women here who ended up being trans and i'm not into that, Most local men are typical inkwells, but the rural version, live in a farm, rarely have any talks with people outside school and family, at 17 about 50% men and 90% women are gone for college, the pool is narrow AF, Ironically my granduncle had great success, the amount of old 50+ sin…
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:02 AM
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The point is, i just want a chance to reengage, If i don't type walls of words on reddit, people often don't get what i'm trying to say and often results in flame wars, I learned to do this only to avoid every post and reply becoming a toxic shitshow, The ONLY reason this matters is because there is hardly many dateable single girls my age in a 10 mile range, so few girls i accidentally hit on the same girl in a past trip to this shithole, needless to say when i realized, i just laughed my ass o…
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:51 AM
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Do you realize most of it was on a joking tone right, you americans have a very soft sense of humor, Maybe it get's heavily more dense in translation, but where i live the wording is just common talk, and taken as joke honestly, The only question, i might point out is, how can i get a chance to open this set again, it was my 2nd set of the day, and she was giving me so many IOIs and i failed to engage, Since this town is minuscule, i think it's not improbable to meet her again, but actually tryi…
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:44 AM
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Enh what?, I know this was funnily typed, but the question is simple, i missed an engage opportunity, but it is a small town, so it isn't unlikely that i will end up seeing her again, Would just to show up at the close by venues that i first found her be a good idea, It was my second set of the day, the town is pretty small so i am very careful around here, I live in a big city, so i usually cold approach but it's bad here, coupling with my recent dryspell this is torture LOL, I know i joked alo…
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:40 AM
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Asking about if he is a fitness model, or if he is actually the guy from the pictures is a sure way to say, "I've noticed, and paid attention to you, your work, and your presence" And you will 100% get this right because you already know the answer, He might feel flattered and understand that if he wanted to get your attention, he did, you just confirmed that, Now you just do whatever the hell you want with the situation, Either suggest you are available, and thus prompting to invite you, Or try…
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:34 AM
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This is like ultra super saiyan level outcome independence basically, It is a core tenet of the teachings here taken to an extreme
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:27 AM
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Idk give him a cringe opener, asks if he is a bodybuilder, If he after talking invites you to do something, just laugh and say it was a nice try, you should try again/i'm not interested, If he isn't interested, move on, problem solved
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:25 AM
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Exactly my point, never give yourself up for a goal so simple as women, No need to be ripped even, if you mantain a healthy exercise plan, and avoid eating too much junk, it is good, No need for 6 times a week, hyper controlled diets, if you enjoy it, sure, not required however?
/r/seduction08/04/22 11:10 PM
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At that point, it is a question of morals and if these higher values are worth more than getting what you want, I am a heavy nihilist, so i actually don't care very much, if it was a gf i would care, a hookup i won't ever see again, not nearly as much honestly
/r/seduction08/04/22 05:57 PM
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Posted 2 times delete this LOL
/r/seduction08/04/22 05:08 PM
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Shitty yes, but other people's morals are not of my personal concern, while i won't do it myself (lie i do micro lies all the time LOL), i am im no position to judge your opinion, Like your opinion won't stop them, so it is irrelevant, you could at max voice concern and distance yourself, but really it is not something that matters at all
/r/seduction08/04/22 05:07 PM
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I mean being yourself will not guarantee the most amount of women possible, that only a true chad with amazing game can, like casanova did in the past, Not that you will be happy doing it, if you enjoy being this perfect men good, if you don't pretending ends badly, It's better to have a harder time with women and doing the things you love and enjoying your life, than being a walking facade and have women, Not against pretending to be different in the moment, like in lying about a few things to …
/r/seduction08/04/22 05:00 PM
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You would be correct, just don't drop the yourself part and you are in good tracks
/r/seduction08/04/22 04:32 PM
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Sure, but said change must come from him, and be true, we already do so many things we hate, if you don't enjoy it will be worse, The success stories are of those who usually end up enjoying it, if you hate it in the end you will fail, If you change because you want to, it doesn't mean you will enjoy it after changing, also this change usually comes from the position of mantaining or achieving a byproduct, which is never ideal, The post is geared towards people who don't feel like this common PO…
/r/seduction08/04/22 04:28 PM
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If you change all your traits to become compatible with her you will be miserable, That is also the point
/r/seduction08/04/22 04:00 PM
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What i mean is that quality includes personal compatibility, a gym rat party butterfly girl is NOT a good match for a laidback gamer pothead, even if they are hot, They are both amazing people on their own right, they just aren't compatible,
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:54 PM
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And then she beats your ass in mortal kombat and calls you thrash, and should let her use your joystick because you suck, but she sucks better, Then it's utopia
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:50 PM
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My point is that most guys want lots of girls, but if they are insufferable bitches you have nothing in common with, it won't make for very happy man usually, at this point if it's purely for sex, hot women are available for 200 bucks, If you want a partner or company, even if you are just fuck buddies, it better be with someone who is pleasant to you, If there were infinite nerdy metalhead girls, i surely would too make the effort to fuck all of them, but if they had nothing in common with me w…
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:49 PM
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Just to make it clear we agree, and clarify for future readers
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:16 PM
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My point is that if it costs you too much to become a HVM, like in losing your identity, to the point you resent the whole thing because you gave up too much, It's not worth, not an excuse to not improve yourself, that is not the point, but i bet that X basement dweller would be happy if he got to ok looking and hooks up with fellow metal girls, than giving up his uniqueness and get IG models he literally shares no interests with, and outside of sex he actually hates hanging out with her, I post…
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:15 PM
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Never watched that movie, what's the plot?
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:00 PM
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Obesity is not a body type it's a health problem, being fat is normal, obese is a disease
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:00 PM
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Some people here are very extremists, you will hardly have people confess they would rather not do these things because it would make them look bad, What i'm saying is that if these changes are too unpleasant for you AKA if feels like a chore and you don't like the direct results, like in doing stuff for it's byproducts instead of products, Example if you only go to the gym to get women, and doesn't care about being ripped at all, you better not go hyper tryhard into it, especially if you actual…
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:59 PM
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A little fat doesn't make you unhealthy, some chubby people are 100% healthy, it's the difference between fat and obese, Also, there is an intensity factor, you should go to the gym, but no need to get ripped, you should groom yourself and not smell, but complex skincare routines and heavily stylizing beard and hair is not necessary
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:53 PM
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Getting results doesn't directly correlate to good advice, some really deformed looking inkwell might have got a single girl at try 99999th, Some adonis looking absolute stallion got his 99th lay of the month, I bet you, the ugly guy advice is more sound, because it is a much more impressive feat, If the hot dude applies the ugly guys advice he would triple results, TLDR: results need more factors in account, including luck, which doesn't mean the factor "game" is the one lacking when talking re…
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:18 PM
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Most people will actually say for you to either Quit dating and improve your life, Get better at game, Therapy (this is valid, i am fine now (not really) and still go), My advice would be, strangely enough, to kind of give up, but its more than that, First would be to find the absolutely hottest girl, and DON'T hit on her, just friendzone yourself, Now you will get intimate and try to learn about her life, you will find out, i bet, however ridiculously stupid they are, she has problems, very lik…
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:04 PM
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The moment you have such a good life, are satisfied and and happy with it, and overall happy, You realize you actually don't need women, and it may work in becoming more attractive to the, however you at that point really don't want them anymore and they become a nice bonus but with little relevance to your overall success, And makes me wonder if the advice doesn't actually boils down to giving up, because in the end you didn't do anything to seduce her, you just upgraded yourself with a lot of …
/r/seduction08/04/22 01:22 PM
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Relationship success at an all time low, birth rates on historical downfall, pleasure being traded at an inflated price, stimulation being only available in fake, addicitive platforms like pornhub, I can see we are in relative comfort now, but if the economic consequences of the things above kick in, we might not be so comfortable this soon, People want genuine connection nowadays, and i can't possibly know if my girl is dating a sugar daddy or has an onlyfans/tinder account, or even if the girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:44 PM
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I think the internet porn, caters to what people lack IRL, men lack genuine romantic and intimate interest, and women really lack the more raw and viscious side of their sexuality being displayed and tolerated, What i mean by the horniness thing, is that men regularly report having trouble with various things in life because of those intrusive impulses, which are more constant than women's POV, The power imbalance of the dating market comes from inflation of expectations, in normal circunstances…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:26 PM
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I plan on moving to either the US or portugal for work once my major is complete, i really hope to see if this situation is different in other countries, because most people in my class, campus, bars and nightclubs i go to, after a few beers and friendly rapport, when you poke anything redpill and make them confortable to talk publically, they just spill redpill, even i don't usually talk redpill in public because people get very much SJW offensive over here, Even the people who in private agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:34 PM
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They don't matter because they historically vote for the one who is the highest bidder on their bribery, the whole mensalão scandal was about the insane amount of bribes the people from the center were involved into, The government is not leftist, the government is not really right, he poses as a right wing politician but his actions internally haven't worked on the actual right's interest, he literally said in his campaign he would allow civilians to own firearms, and put all the people involve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:27 PM
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It not niche if literally about half the men i know are redpilled, maybe we live literally in a different country that is why, who knows
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:46 PM
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Bro this is the case literally the centrist party doesn't count, because they have historically literally done nothing and just steal money, NOTHING can be attributed to these parties, conservatives hate bolsonaro because he literally did nothing he said he would do, instead he is partnered with the centrists who just are there to suck money, People forget the same centrists helped the leftist previous government just as much, and bolsonaro has recently approved a bunch of misandrist laws a few …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:42 PM
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Honestly nowadays most of the everyday men do, i had my VAN DRIVER, literally drop me some redpills and direct me to a famous brazilian redpill channel
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:31 PM
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Basically, male discartability is so evident for men they will give up, the "losers" so to speak, are giving up, but they are, like many won't admit, essential for society to function, and the biggest payout men want, is sexual accessibility and intimacy, which is not included in the payroll anymore, so while they aren't necessarily openly unionizing, Think like a mcdonalds employee doesn't quit his job, neither demands a raise because it is futile, he instead just spits in a few burgers and wat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:28 PM
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Bolsonaro is literally the president, about 70% of the senate and the chamber are leftists, it doesn't matter shit what that ape says or tries to implement, Bolsonaro as been electes in 2018, our country was ruled by the left, the workers party, FOR 16 FUCKING YEARS, and you attribute the country failing for this recent governtment, Bolsonaro as very little power over lawmaking, and he is also politically dumb as a brick, whoever thought an army sergeant was good with politics LOL, It was either…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:10 PM
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I agree, i have mostly female friends, like them as friends, but dating, not with a 10 foot pole LOL, He doesn't seem to bother with friendship either
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:05 PM
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Pussy is fun, women are not, he just tries to get the pussy while dealing as little as possible with the pussy owner, it's not that complex really,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:58 AM
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I mean most won't and keep suffering, every time shit happens there is a chance he might do something about it, You really underestimate how men protest in solitude, i made another comment explaining a form men are protesting, https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ty3y43/comment/i3qyjj4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 And the buying power of the average person, here in brazil, literally was cut in half in 5 years, I would bet 70% of the men in brazil are redpill leaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:56 AM
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Willingly, because sex seemingly just falls on his lap, more than one women asked "about" him to me already, It doesn't matter if he thinks like that, he keeps his mouth shut, and their mouths occupied, simple as that, if he wanted to get a GF to simp for him and just wash his underwear for free he could, maybe he has a GF out of college, who the hell knows
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:47 AM
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Exactly, they will have to react to, because right now the numerous police raids and arrests really aren't working, the drug dealer got so rich just from charging a small land tax they actually field real armies inside the big favelas, they even have armoured vehicles it's fucking crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:45 AM
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Bro men really don't want to live unfullfilling lives where the only desire that is naturally implied in them is used to abuse and use them, Why men complaining and opting out of shitty deals is a surprise to anyone LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:43 AM
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People forget that deep down seduction, in it's basic definition, the idea that you have to implant a wish in someone's head, When you try to seduce a woman, you are trying to push her buttons right so she sucks your dick in about 2 hours after the date, usually, When you try to seduce a possible client into buying something you are selling, you don't care about their background, ethnicity, if they are tall, ugly, missing an eye, it doesn't matter, it matters that their wallet is fat and they WI…
/r/seduction07/04/22 11:41 AM
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You are one person in about 8 billions, well 6 kids actually, I was in a "happy" relationship too, if you look from the outside it was perfect, if you questioned me enough you would learn otherwise, I literally laughed at things like this sub when things were great, now that i'm taking the brunt of this issue, not so funny anymore, And you are wrong, the incel sub is incels.is, this is a debate sub about all aspects pertaining the manosphere and the intersexual relationships in human beings, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:20 AM
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I can tell you a good example, i live in brazil, every one and their mother's know that brazil is RIDDLED with favelas, every city as a few, even micro rural cities have favelas, Our government is fairly progressive with feminist influence being very strong, so there are a bunch of laws that typically disfavour male behaviour, especially mating strategies, For example, anything that pertains a man and a women, can very quickly drop the innocence pressuposition our law has, so for example, in cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:15 AM
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And what you actually pointed out too, society, at it's core, it's still kept afloat by strong dutyful men, who are getting the short end of the stick, if any sticking at all, if you get what i mean, Soon these men will overall serve as example to future boys, who aren't that dysfunctional either, those inkwells aren't dumb, they are mostly just fairly red/blackpilled men, who are likely going MGTOW, and thus undermining society as a whole, because these men will NOT fill the work slots the west…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 10:50 AM
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Monogamy was literally made to keep the cavecels from murdering and poisoning the water supply, really that is it, LOL Now we took monogamy and semi arranged mating, let's see how much time it takes for them to undermine civilization as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 10:35 AM
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He's not hot but he might be the hottest available, also it's irrelevant, Women know they have to show their more pervert side to grab a man, and we all know that if you grab someone by the balls, they better not resist LOL, So they will 100% TREAT you like the hottest thing in the planet, don't get deluded, but enjoy the ride, And yes being white and american/european 100% works outside of respective country I am from brazil, and gringos in the carnival in february are the bomb man, just look f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 10:32 AM
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You should give her no time at all bro, First you should pose as a shoulder for the sole reason to know WTF happened between them, and look closely for redflags, After that just drop the, "I like you i think you're pretty/hot/funny/cool/nice/sweet/etc., and i would be interested in trying to become closer/dating, since you asked for time, i will just say what i feel outright, and if you decide later to try to work things out, you know my number.." Proceed to actually ghost her and treat her like…
/r/seduction07/04/22 08:22 AM
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Your desires don't matter, your hopes don't matter, it only happens if it makes you feel what you want, Some really hardcore incels might struggle, but in SEA, you don't have to look good, you have to look foreigner, and you will be treated like a king, it seems, Now you don't even need to act on anything, just existing in a non prostitution bar will get many glances, giggles, and stares, so the ego boost is already worth the damn trip, And sure they might be all looking for a visa, they are how…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 08:16 AM
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That is not the point per say, the correct reason to go to the gym is to gain muscle, or rather to enjoy the process of building muscle, When you take the route, gym>muscle>fitness>attractiveness>more interest from girls>better dating life IT IS SO DISCONNECTED with the desired result it becomes a burden in your life, IMO the only fix i have found, and that only works individually, is to drop all social rules, morals, ethical guidelines, and mercilessly go after what you want, I made a comment o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 07:29 AM
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People usually knew each other and were fond of their exes before dating and trying to have fun, Women used to like to get to know the men first, men wanted to get a feel for her first, if they clicked they would shoot, Now it became an efficacy game, you say and do whatever the fuck you need to have more success, which leads to misunderstanding, no real connection, depthless sex and dating, That was caused by an increase in competitiveness, when the game is hard, you need to become a tryhard to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 07:16 AM
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Honestly i just post what i am thinking in the moment because i like to talk, and these topics are very sensitive to talk openly IRL, so i come here, it's a dead horse by now, but it's still running in my mind so i wanted to talk about it, It's okay i guess, maybe not, this doesnt matter really, LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 06:39 AM
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The trend is the problem, not the actual state of sexlessness, What i can say is that young people in general, right now, have very poor quality dating lives, often very far from their wishes, many are forced into hookup culture, it's existance causes friction in couples, Singles can't keep up a sex life that is healthy, often pick what they can, very far away from what they want for a lack of options, Men often only have a chance with women that want them, not people that want him, AND he wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 06:36 AM
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So if a T72 isn't parading my lawn and i'm hidden trying to molotov it, while a foreigner government tries to take over my country, my life then must be a rose garden, and i am therefore supposed to be very happy and grateful with life?, Your comment is a joke, just because someone's life is worse doesn't mean my life is good, Just because a 7 year old is starving in africa, while struggling to stand up because he is so skinny, doesn't mean a person in an european developed country should be hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 06:23 AM
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The incel experience described here are an exaggeration of the still sad and worsening reality of many, I know a guy who is your typical chad, a female friend literally asked me to set them up, she didn't even knew his name, i did so gladly, nothing happened, she pussied out, and after she left i literally asked him if he noticed she likes him, with proper wording, He proceeds to talk about how she is a hoe, and she might put her in the freezer if he wants a random snack, talking about how all w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 06:18 AM
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Thus they should be removed ASAP before they ruin centuries of history and culture, we wish we could be proud in, Otherwise work on preserving your values in your circle, it's not so different from the barbarians at the gate, from eras past, the cycle continues
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:54 AM
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What they are doing is trying to find quick wins in life, or otherwise they kill themselves, It's the same principle applied in a much different way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:49 AM
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Women are wonderful is still a thing, so no thinking the other sex is good is a recipe for failure, I honestly think that medicine should focus it's efforts on trying to just standardize people more, fuck i'm getting banned, here we go, We should incentivize designer babies, and subzidize people using IVF to use the absolutely best gametes from both sexes as available, this should make, over time, height, looks, body weight, bone structures, decently sized boobs and ass, would be much more less …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:48 AM
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I can't actually point out if this is /s or not, Which means it's likely top tier /s I will honestly not reply because idk what you are trying to say, Thanks for reply anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:38 AM
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Survival of the human species, no Quality of the human experience, absolutely, We are walking into a depression factory, you get out of the womb and in 20 years i bet money random X person is depressed, And what i mean by failing in existing i mean what we consider the west, I can be money that an arabic language, and chinese will become the world standard in no time, our culture being slowly supplanted by eastern values since those values are failing people, so they abandon it, and the eastern …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:36 AM
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No point in survival if you can't either be happy and enjoy it, and reproduce, A long, bad life is worse than a quick death, why do you think people were so eager in the past to band up and go to war, because if your life is shit, like many people lived in the past, the choice between, Going to war and achieving it's spoils, A quick axe to your arm, a second one to your head, bam, you are dead in about 10 seconds, if you are left to bleed out, it takes about 5 minutes for you to die, People took…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:20 AM
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Yeah we really need to try and find and stand in a more stable middle ground, extremes in both sides here lead to suffering, eventual reaction, and the opressors becoming opressed, if we don't try to put a hold on this, we can get ready for eternal suffering LOL, This is why men go to the east en masse now, look eastern europe, SEA, some few places in africa Etc., Funny things is people from these impoverished places come to the West seeking the big bucks, While westeners go to SEA for example t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:12 AM
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I mean it didn't yet, downfall often takes place within a couple lifetimes, the fall of rome took about 150+ years of constant worsening till it finally collapsed, so if we are seeing signs today, our sons may pay the price.. Sure it might not implode, but it will get progressively worse if action is not taken
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:46 AM
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I mean a lot of people died, in fact most of humanity died, during both ancient era moments, so yeah it was a quasi extinction event, But nowadays, it's so bad that suicides have risen 30% among men and 10% among women, so yeah people are actually dying because of all of this, if the trend continues, it might become serious, It's sad most of these LVM to not call them Inkwells, have to literally start suiciding to get some media attention....
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:44 AM
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We adapt in every possible way we can, not to say it will be enough it often is not, People adapt to hunger for example, we lose body fat, destroy neurons, let some of our organs undersupplied of necessary nutrients and calories, that is what starving africans look like, can you say that this adaptation will lead them solving their problems?, no they will just prolong their lives, so they buy time to try to see if things change, it often doesn't and they die, This is what men are facing RN, like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:41 AM
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Yeah man, it is really the major problem going forward, and i'm unfortunately not hopeful, what tf i'm supposed to do, i think the answer is to give up and let it crumble, allying with this idea is hard but i'm trying LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:29 AM
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The actual diversity comes from centuries of trying to keep tribes united, Every single human group is about survival and reproduction, it begun like that, it subconsciously is like that, It is delusional to think so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:09 AM
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I mean that is not what i observe from actually getting to know people, when you get a little more intimate, you can slowly pick apart what their lifes actually are, young people are often depressed, lonely and frustrated, it's just that displaying you are sad is not good for your success in life so they hide it like their life depends on it, And it often does,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:07 AM
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Adaptation, and real adaptation in mean, In this case undoing lots of reinforcement, both inherited and lived, won't be change in the lifetime these men will suffer and be deleted from the gene pool, This is why i think, for the men that still want to not be undone by evolution, is to actually adapt, I made a post about why having kids is a good overall idea even for the men struggling, because you can, find a way to have a partner above you in a particular area, Like how some men are SEA advoca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:05 AM
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DiCaprio is not creepy by itself, he is doing what every man deep down wish he was able to, but can't, and even if he can, he is afraid of judgement and being perceived negatively, DiCaprio really doesn't care, because for him, that image also plays in his favour, including financially, because his characters, often are, indeed the pump and dump kind of guy, so he can safely ignore that, Some famous men play a more romantic, beta role in their films, so if people found out they were slayers, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:39 AM
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That is correct but incomplete, because i think looks top it all by far, if there was a responsible, charismatic guy, who was also young and hot he would be ideal, but usually the young hot one is immature, and the mentally stable men are not so much, so women adopt a dual mating strategy, They get pregnant with the hot manchild, then make up a reason to dump him and find a betabuxx to raise this kid as well as they can, That would not be necessary if the hot guy was also mature and responsible,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:19 PM
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90% of people earn less than 3500 reais, 95% earn less than 3k reais, do the maths again if you must, What i noticed is that the sources in english state an absurdly wrong estimative, the ones in portuguese are government official surveys, so they are more likely to be correct
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:21 AM
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By that POV, it seems like we should hope for this collapse LOL, so men are required again, That is a little overboard but seems true, wild world brah
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:02 AM
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You can demand DNA testing, it's that simple, find a reliable doctor and just do it, better than fake paternity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 04:12 AM
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Yeah that bubble is basically every guy in my masters in college, simping, and being an manipulative womanizer are very much ingrained in my culture, brazil that is, I really can't do much besides idk moving campus which is too much of a hassle, most of the guys i've met at bars and clubs think the same way, Hell even people from bumble BFF are like that, If you take your time, translate any brazilian funk song you can find, the recent ones, it's all literally about drug abuse, crime, emotional …
/r/seduction05/04/22 03:22 AM
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Are you having children with escorts man?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 03:12 AM
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The only point im making is that you are require less confidence/value in foreigner poor places than in a rich country where you aren't needed, Most westerners are broke because they earn alot of money and burn it right away, because western CoL is very high, but compared to the rest of the world they are indeed stupid rich, The whole goal of the post was to say, The trick is getting a high paid job where you can work remotely and live well spending but a fraction of what is expected, Sure confi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:18 PM
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Unless you do so over a few generations with reinforced selection, like if you and your girl are 5'3, chances are your son won't be 6'0, It might not guarantee success if you do, but it sure guarantees failure if you don't, But if you try your best with your son and encourage him to follow in your steps, maybe in a few generations your familiar genetics might be overall superior, Sure i might not score, but i certainly improve my chances by doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:50 PM
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I'll be honest, the reason i care is that like, You can't plant trees for yourself, only for your sons, What that means is that you really won't reap the benefits of big investments made towards improving your life most of the time, The absolute best investment you can make with your cash is have heirs, because sure, when you die you will lose it, but it is still "yours" if a heir takes it, instead of just vanishing into dust, If you try to make investments with the intent of reaping it's benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:45 PM
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Exactly, but considering you and me also doesn't matter, our perspective opinions on it are irrelevant, sure you might not care, but well someone cared to put kids in this world, thus you and me ended up here, and so it might continue happening if we don't fail our only imperative, that is to reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:15 PM
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I have to disagree then, In the sea of meaninglessness, and ephemeral things, blood and name are possibly immortal, if cared properly it can last forever, Out of all the things that really won't matter after you die, this is one of the few who could possibly matter
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:49 PM
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Because that person is literally you, he is your descendant and carries your name and genes, they are your legacy and thus part of you, as you are part of them, He might not know you directly, but if you were close to your son, your son to your grandson, etc., your ideas and teachings eventually reach the years of this kid at least partially, It also carries your genes which are literally a part of you, so you would want this future being to be a capable reproductor, and thus ensuring your speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:45 PM
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There is no point of moving if you don't work remotely on a stronger currency, And you would be wrong, many 3rd world people would love to move to first world, but the reason is to farm money and then come back home, or work remotely and get paid in dollars, No one is moving just to move, you are moving because in that culture you are incredibly rich, I did some math in another post i will soon edit this comment, but for example an average american is top 0,5% in brazil, so your average job in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:40 PM
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What they say/what they do, in spite of that, i think the gold diggers are a minority, but not a negligible one, yiu can count on finding one if you look for it, Since i am from brazil, i need to find a job abroad, and return with a lot of cash, that is also valid, People from first world go abroad to find easy lays, people from the third world go abroad to find incredibly attractive salaries, Since i'm from brazil my personal goal is to find a job abroad, not a woman, Currently studying comp en…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 01:57 PM
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You are not wrong, but this guide is mostly focused on the looks strawman, the average looking men, If you are redpilled you 100% know that they are still women and need to be threaded as such, The things is, your game and looks requirements are much more lenient if these women have an actual necessity from you, Also if you are at the point of having a trophy level wife, you can realistically fight for shared custody, since you have a bunch of financial means to provide the child with an upper c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 01:51 PM
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Well that's exactly why i think this is better than surrogacy, a mother who in spite of not loving the father, is present and cares of her son, is miles better than a single parent, because even betabuxxing parents can be good for their children in spite of being kind of not fond of each other, The thing is, if you're going to betabuxx, you betabuxx for the most absolutely high value female your money can get, that included phisically fit, beautiful, submissive, and with intent of being a mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 12:59 PM
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Lady it's not about sex, it's about having attractive children, so they will struggle less with dating overall, The point is not dating, is fathering children with high quality desirable genes, and letting them inherit alot of capital so you can ascend your lineage socially
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:34 AM
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Look this is more of a blackpill POV, by having more attractive children he will struggle less with all of the above because he will be more socially wanted, so opportunities to learn naturally will occur to said guy, And since the goal of parents ensuring that his sons are capable of having grandchildren one must start first by looks, Having a girlfriend much prettier than you can "improve" your chances of fathering an attractive child, thus making his life easier, But having a girlfriend much …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:53 AM
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I will just advise you to be careful, research the doctors beforehand, reputation etc., because it is expensive af, painful, long recovery, and you literally become fragile from having your bone broken so many times, You will basically require to lengthen every limb you have, because otherwise you might look very weird, short torso long legs is weird, so you might need to elongate your arms to compensate, it still looks weird, Nothing can really make your bones get bigger, cant get a longer spin…
/r/seduction04/04/22 10:06 AM
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Wait again let me do the math here, Average salary in brazil is just under 2k reais or just under 400 dollars, Per year a brazilian citizen wins about 5k dollars, YEARLY, Now 35K¨$ dollars is about 7 times more money, per year, If you consider that an average american then makes almost 3k dollars per month, they make 60% of the YEARLY earnings of a brazilian in a single month Which means that the average american is paid more than doctors and lawyers in brazil, 14K reais per month, is already mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:00 AM
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Yeah culture is pervasive as fuck, so pervasive that it won't even allow parents to correct and educate their children, because now you can't be harsh on kids anymore, i'm so young and already it got so much worse LOL What i am saying overall is that, men are willing to pay, both men and women know this, if they are willing to pay means there is a market for it, I am im favor of what my country, brazil, does in this regard, because prostitution is absolutely legal, but any kind of pimping behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:11 AM
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What i mean is that the poor women in your own country might be very akin from beauty standards, If you are relatively well off in america, you are really fucking rich in some parts of the world, making the average women, a poor women, so you can pick the absolutely best looking one available to make sure your kids are advantaged in life, and by consequence you too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:05 AM
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What i mean from unicorn land is whatever country you want to go hunting for a mother for your kids, for some it could be SEA, south africa, brazil, and yes, eastern europe, Sure i can imagina an absolute unit of a russian woman shouting something really angrily at me that i can't understand, because i said unicorn land LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:03 AM
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So the sex positive media grooms young girls into becoming prostitutes?, hell nah, if media is grooming girls, then it's a case of bad parenting, not grooming, And your 3rd paragraph is on point lady, I just believe there are things that are changeable, like the whole pimping situations, and things that are not, like men being mostly undesirable, for those unsolvable problems, come things like drugs, and prostitution as a paliative measure, Like sure, you might be short bald ugly, be missing a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:32 AM
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Children can't consent, generally serial murder victim's didn't consent either, prostitutes however do, they are independent adult with the power to make their own choices, it makes the pimping situation immoral, and the prostitution one not, Because of hypergamy, female selective nature, male innate desire to be polygamous, intrasexual male competition, all things inherit into our biology and psyche, the only way these could be fair for everyone is if we somehow alter fundamentally how we work …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:03 AM
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Yeah but it's really impractical to ban cars like that, the secondary problems it would cause far outweight the benefits, Prostitution isn't inherently immoral if all parties agree with the terms of the deal, i can't see how consenting parties trading money for sexual access is immoral, isn't very different from your average marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:49 AM
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Moscow is an expensive city, the rest of the country is much much different, I for example am from brazil this value would be 1.654.300 Reais, sure you can't buy the best condos in São paulo, but in the surrounding cities it is exponentially cheaper, for perspective, all my family currently owns is about 2 million i would guess, and that is a 2 household income, from an engineer and a business owner, considering they are boomers, they are rich, like top5% at least, And the average american is ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:45 AM
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The real thing is, it will always happen anyway, it doesn't make either the john or the lady evil, the evil guy is the pimp in this scenario, So if a person at least tries to check for any signs there are no pimps involved, or don't use the services of girls that are clearly abused, (crack whores for example), i really can't blame the guy, Nowadays you are more likely to get blackmailed by a prostitute than her is to be trafficked, where i live anyway that is the case, For context i'm brazilian,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:31 AM
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10 years of american salary can make for some really lavish money i bet you, At least from what it seems russian women are more open than western women about these preferences, so the deal is much less murky...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:17 AM
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Thus you delay giving them what they want, until you are sure they have given what you want, AND won't take it back the moment you deliver, Got it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:15 AM
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That is if you are not transparent with your intentions, and is dumb enough to marry this women/get back to your first world country, These men try to fake the entire thing that is why it fails, because they pretend a bunch of shit, also the person being abusive on top of being undesirable only makes things worse, Maybe if they peacefully broke up and shared custody, absolutely everything will be fine LOL, but people indeed are cruel, Also why these men lose custody since his surrogate/wife is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:01 AM
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Based comment
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:53 AM
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I mean it is an unequal comparison, because you are focusing on the parts irrelevant to my point, No one wants to be a prostitute, some do but whatever, no one wants to be a sewage cleaner, no one wants to be a garbage collector, BUT everyone wants someone else to do it for them, Like many men who go to prostitutes, don't want their daughters being prostitutes, which is fucking hypocrisy with capital H, And since there is a demand, there will always be people willing to comply to fullfill it, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:52 AM
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You didn't understand then, being top 10% in congo is not that hard if you are american for example, So if here you are a 50%er, the money you have won't matter much, abroad where people are much poorer, the few moneys you own will make you immensely above the average, thus making it more reliable, TLDR: its easy to be rich in a poor country when you are a foreigner
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:42 AM
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Will the surrogate help raise the child in a 2 parent household?, i think not, not having a father and a mother present is detrimental to a child wellbeing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:40 AM
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You're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:18 AM
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Honestly i don't disagree with you, but likewise many profession entail this kind of problem, Imagina a sewage crew, the people who fix the pipes in the sewers when stuff breaks, These mostly men, are not doing it because they enjoy it, they do it out of necessity, and if given the right opportunities in life, most most sewage crewmen would not exist apart the portion of young men that is didn't have opportunity, via education/job slots to do other things into even considering joining the trade.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:17 AM
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Honestly, if this man really wouldn't get any action regardless, he is at least achieving something of value that is atemporal, in the case of superior lineage and inheritance, Like this is a backburner plan, you should totally try to date, find a good relationship, etc. but it might be unlikely, so don't expect it to happen, aim for something more attainable and positive instead
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:09 AM
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Because money is not important in rich countries where everyone lives a decent life, In a poor country, the promise of having first world economic patterns is much more enticing, and in these countries women usually have fewer opportunities to make money, and rely more on a husband to determine their financial situation, So you bank on your bank account having much more mileage, and trade it for a much better looking girlfriend, so the next generation suffers less in this market that doesn't nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:06 AM
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Prime age to have kids is about 25, most guys are absolutely losers at 25, Yeah all of the first response is ok, undesirable but honestly expected, why would you be faithful in this situation either, she is basically a surrogate and a parenting partner, not really a wife, About lack of intimacy, loneliness etc., get some friends to not be lonely, pay prostitutes to sate your sexual desires, take the opportunity if a woman shows interest but don't bank on it, While you are busting off working, do…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:03 AM
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Fake, she won't be able to just take your kids away if she depends on your cash to mantain the lifestyle she wants, The core point of going abroad, is to find a woman who is dependent on you, so she has very good reasons to not leave, even then, she might leave but will still keep in contact and help raise your child peacefully because your alimony is fat, and by being a much richer parent, you could totally make a case to take full custody of the child, that would be enough dread, Also, what is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:55 AM
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It's only pathetic if you become a pushover because of it, make no mistake, this girl is a surrogate, she just doesn't explicitly carry that title, This way you guarantee a mother for your children, and a child who will struggle less than you on the genetics front, hopefully, I know it is kind of pathetic, but it is a much more straightforward, guaranteed plan to succeed in reproduction, Mind you i am absolutely not against conventional betabuxxing either, i am however against being treated like…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:50 AM
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Alright calm down, why is it in your opinion, as a guy who goes to prostitutes quite sporadically, i never had any issues or seen anything that is that terrible, I understand there are some places that really are fucked up, but because some somali girl is being trafficked to europe in sex trafficking, make me worried about a 27yo lady at the whorehouse in fucking brazil has anything to do with that, It's like saying, there are a bunch of traffic accidents in the cities, so let's ban all cars and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:37 AM
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Let's be honest, why the hell would people be discussing intersexual dynamics using matrix references if they were not deranged LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:28 AM
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Female genuine desire signals you are a top specimen, it doesn't make you feel good per say, it makes you feel superior to others, you don't actually care about her as a person here, You care about being selected as a valid candidate for reproduction, ego boost, Otherwise full hookerpill all the way brah
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:17 AM
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Because otherwise there will be no date whatsoever, Most men are gaslit to oblivion to view prostitution as terrible and abominable, Not to mention it is sometimes illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:14 AM
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Look, if you take this path of working hard for 20 years, to have a kind of guarantee plan in the end, if you fail, you can make sure your heir will not, Also that is the part about living in a low cost area/country, you can still enjoy life quite regularly while making bank, For example im from brazil, one dollar is about 5 Brazilian Real, so if you work remotely for about 2k dollars a month, you would be living in 10k reais, 90% of the people in brazil make less than 3k, so you are about 3 tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:08 AM
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Sure but if you have that much money in you 35s you can sure take a year or two off to learn the local dating culture, About 4) that is exactly why i stated that you must pick a place where people actually struggle with money, because suddenly your offer of good life will be much more enticing, I personally live in brazil, it is not uncommon for women to do this kind of dating, almost all rich/famous men are married to women much younger, the average age differential of most of my colleagues is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:59 AM
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No because you would then be undermining their development, When you go to a different country/region, where your money is needed and valued, you aren't abusing anyone, you are providing something very valuable unnatainable by other means to said women, That is very different from deliberately making her life worse so you can be more valued, Yeah this is very extreme, but the overall point is, if you can't fix yourself, you could try fixing your children and not ending your lineage, which is far…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:52 AM
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The point is, you are missing the point here, you are not after a wife, you are after attractive children, You are not after being loved, share expenses yada yada, drink coffee together in the morning, no, that is not the point, The point is, if you get rich, make sure your son is attractive, and educate him to have a little bit of status, he might be able to do much better than you would ever be able to, It's not about fixing your own problems, it's about ensuring your lineage will have it bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:47 AM
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Alright, but this is CMV, so you could at least try convincing me otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:36 AM
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Greypill is optimistic blackpill, between white and blackpill, but blackpill is top secret banned here Also yeah, it's a lottery, people really hate lottery, especially with regards to reproduction with is crucial, When you realize that lottery's are a scam, you stop playing/start cheating the game, all the while the tickets are getting more expensive, and the prize worth less
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:24 AM
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Vibrators are really well thought out and developed products, they have a bunch of modes, shapes, functions, etc., it's really peak engineering, Men have hands..... yeah, couldn't possibly compare, fleshlights are much underdeveloped, comparatively, I really want to see what will happen when the sex bots/dolls arrive, this sub might just dissapear, because men would be too preocuppied in getting home, to fuck their dolls, Blade runner's JOI is hopefully near future, everyone could have their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:09 AM
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Chances are if you are in an intersexual dynamics sub, you are very interested in sex, and likely to be horny too...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:03 AM
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Most men would GLADLY work on themselves, if there was a payment in the end, they are slowly realizing that they might not get paid in the end, So they start questioning if they are actually not slaves working on being awesome to women, for free, and wonder if they should just ignore women, and do videogames/jack off all day, because at least jacking off and playing videogames is much more straight forward and you get what you bargained for, Not even considering the drink/drug habits, which is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:02 AM
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On a volume sample, yes, on a personal level, absolutely not, Not talking about shame talking about sex access
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:58 AM
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At the point i have a good career, if i only wanted sex, i would keep paying because the ROI is much superior, As far as if i want kids (i do personally), the ideal age both men and women want kids is 23-5 biologically, most men won't attain such power by that age, So they either become sugar daddies, and later put a baby on said sugar if she is not crazy, or they just try alternative routes, like moving countries to SEA, some decent places in africa, i would say eastern europe, but now it's a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:49 AM
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Being violent is an extreme, but being passively rebellious is different, There are tons of men going NEET, LDAR, being inkwells, whoremongers, not wanting career etc. It might seen innocent, but those unemployed men are living in gov support, with taxes we all pay (mostly) I live in brazil, one very common thing even successful men do, is literally move into the favelas, because sewers, electric energy, land taxes, product taxes, income taxes, etc. Can't be enforced inside, it's the ultimate ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:38 AM
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I personally have my bare minimum limits, but i like a little chubbier, As for most guys, there is literally an expression, "Taking a deep dive into the valley of the whales" EDIT: It's legal where i live, so i would personally rather pay a hot girl, but if cash is short, i might take my chances with the "fugly"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:27 AM
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Make a SYSTEM that you can realistically work towards that borderline guarantees success, The system we had before is, women couldn't provide, or barely could make money on their own, all of that was culture/state sponsored, so men knew that if they were a stable partner, made money, were responsible etc., it was enough to guarantee finding a partner to raise a family, didn't guarantee love or shit, but it did guarantee your genes had a chance to try again in the form of kids, Nowadays, there is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:25 AM
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Some guys would rather have mediocre sex, paid sex, bad sex, fake sex, even virtual sex, than no sex at all, Sure your wife loving you is wonderful, but if you can't get that, at least ge "a" wife, make some babies and hope they have better luck than you genetically
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:17 AM
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I have to jump in and say, this is not true, because they can be dangerous without being explicitly violent, and can very likely turn violent, They can be dangerous because they drop their morals real quick, i will give a personal example I have 2 said "chad" friends, they are indeed attractive, but when you talk to them about their strategies and game, they reveal the most TOXIC kind of behaviour possible, the emotionally manipulative being prime, I am friends with a guy and girl, girl likes th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:14 AM
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The only pattern that i see from these guys, is that they are actually actively trying to plant vulnerabilities, self doubt, insecurities in girls heads, so they can be more easily attainable, Literally today, i had to warn a female friend, that said common friend of ours, who from behaviour i clearly bet they have already hooked up, or at least made out, that he was not being only "rude" when he actively ignored us today at the campus bar, he was trying to plant doubt in her head, because being…
/r/seduction02/04/22 02:43 AM
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Advantaged is not privileged, the common complaint i get from my female friends is exactly that the guys they have as options, are not attractive to them, sometimes because they are ugly, Now, as a person who as worked with aesthetics professionals before, we know that "everything" can be attractive is just false, or otherwise so rare that it's unlikely to be something to count on, sure someone might be attracted to you regardless, but it comes from redeeming qualities, Most of the people who ar…
/r/seduction01/04/22 05:50 AM
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I've been lifting for 3 years already, i'm just skinny so i don't look ripped, even still, most of these guys who do get some attention aren't doing very well either, The rest of my life is absolutely perfect, i'm doing college, i'm financially stable thanks to a good birth (parent have lots of money), have a good social life, go out every few weekends, there is very little room for improvement outside of my sex life LOL, About the first line, i will be honest, when you see something happen, sev…
/r/seduction01/04/22 04:43 AM
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I think that the point is, these things seem so real, happen to me all the time, are just logical, most of the people i know IRL target the vulnerable women too, Women not liking emotional people is also things that i notice from ANECDOTAL experience, All of this is wrong, and toxic i get it, but since i see it happening all the time, people low key reinforcing it with ACTIONS, both men and women, What people are not getting is that, people think i want to believe these thing, i don't but i'm no…
/r/seduction01/04/22 04:12 AM
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Ehn bro, read the rest of the thread, if this was an incel origin story, i would be thinking about how to kill chad, not how to ignore him ans understand it's normal, If you want to hear actual incel stories, go to Incels.is
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:34 PM
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I mean its a little obvious right? LOL, My biggest gripe is that she has a bunch of other sources of attention, and making my attention so unique that she misses me specifically and not just random attention which she doesn't lack at all, And how would i go about making my attention a superior drug?, because let's be honest, attention is what this type wants, not you or me especifically, so making my attention a better one is complex i guess? Idk....
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:44 AM
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I like your takes, starting from the top, I guess i have it more or less covered, one girl i am basically her only friend outside of an old aquaintance she has on another class, so she acts like follower most of the time, since i've openly talked about liking her to said old friend of hers, i think she knows LOL, This same girl i am reluctant to make a move because she is actually my "top" friend RN, and making things awkward is undesirable, because i rather be friends with her than trying for m…
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:11 AM
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I mean, it may seem like rookie version on my end, but we aren't too dissimilar i guess, like i try to do the exact same things but i am not extremely proficient at it, Especially the getting out thing, because even though i like NSA, prefer it to string attached, i do still care very deeply about my "pack" which includes friends, family, lovers, etc., so the "i am out" part for me can't work 100%, because while i might break up with a girl, i still care that she is fine, and is doing ok after L…
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:58 AM
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Yeah brah by the time im 32, i want to be married with kids already LOL, different topic, But outside of having my own place, the common older guy perks i have covered, money, car, some exp, responsible, the logistics are simple, You talk about caring girl, that is literally my current lead LOL the "let's all hug and be a family/care for each other type", the other guy would be furious to know she is actually a little chubby, but it's my preference anyway, But outside of being older, what are th…
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:47 AM
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You are right and wrong, like i am indeed a "tool" sometimes, but im not a free tool, When i say im helpful, is like, there is a bunch of people that are joining my class in college late, i am usually the guy who pulls them aside and shows them around, A bunch of people invited me to drink DURING classes, i promply refused and cut contact with that group, Literally today 2 girls wanted to cheat on a test, i literally told them that i wouldn't, and even i would, they better be wearing red underwe…
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:41 AM
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That is actually very much on point, What i mean by maintenance, is that when you are much higher value than said partner, he/she becomes a burden, in the inverse you might be a burden, What i am personally seeing is that most women don't mind being/actively try to be a burden, and latch to HVM, regardless of her own value, What i actually am afraid is that this is a trend and my winning strategy would be to supply the market, which in this case is literally no win at all!!! What i actually enjo…
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:16 AM
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Holy crap your response is SO MUCH MORE ON POINT LOL, Now to topic again, i think that i am doing a fairly decent job, at adding value, albeit within reason, i am very extroverted, i am what some would describe as an anchor point, everyone knows me, i basically am the "social bridge" on most of my friends on campus, I am usually serious as being ultra funny is not my forte, but i'm funny as being a witty joker sometimes, and that makes me a dead vibe breaker, Now my actual difficulty as been wit…
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:08 AM
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Now look who is judging me about not wanting strings attached LOL, or being too deeply connected to people, No my female friends don't care because they actually know that words account for little, and my actions are NOT disrespectful in any way shape or form, About compartmentalizing, that literally is the most normal thing in the entire world, i act different when i'm in a football match, than when i'm in a business meeting, you could say that i become a different person and you would not be w…
/r/seduction31/03/22 06:53 AM
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Ok but how am i supposed to choose, if i don't make any comparisons, including about beauty, yeah i find some people ugly, does not mean they aren't nice or whatever, it's just that FOR THE INTENT OF THIS SUB, that is seduction, which implies that i have ulterior motives with someone, And honestly, in this topic i'm obviously selfish, i'm literally trying to get laid, this is about me and finding partners to have sex with, I do not have problems with women in other areas LOL, most of my friends …
/r/seduction31/03/22 06:32 AM
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Dude, when i say they are not worth it, they are not worth my effort because i find them ugly and thus am not attracted to them, making so that trying to seduce them is pointless, How could this be something i should actually be embarassed off, having preferences LOL
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:55 AM
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Care to expand on this topic, because you seem to be on to something, but i honestly ain't fully getting what you are trying to get at, When i say fugly girls, i just say the ones that i don't find attractive, like if i really wanted to i could attract a few women i'm not into, since they do show interest in me, rarely but they do, The thing is, if i improve myself my standards will also change with it, it's pretty obvious honestly, how am i not supposed to judge between attractive or not?
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:53 AM
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I actually don't get one thing, how am i objectifying anyone in here, just asking because that is absolutely not clear, What i can suppose is that i'm not talking about individualized cases in here, rather im talking about a broad experience i have, which i can see as being the problem in the post, but i don't honestly play numbers game, i am currently focused on social circle...
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:48 AM
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That is really the problem, because honestly, if you have to pay triple for the same thing, it isn't really that cool anymore, It's like, sure a ferrari is fucking cool, it's also really damn expensive, to the point that i personally wouldn't want one, even as a gift, Same thing for women, say you want a GF, if you have to grind in the gym for 5 years, keep a strict diet and exercise to not lose progress, constantly keep your game in check to mantain interest high, and also checking her to see i…
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:44 AM
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Bro you actually didn't read my post then, i'm not angry, i'm frustrated sure, Most of my views come from actually dealing with these women as friends, my biggest gripe is that there is very little i can possibly do that is within reason to make myself attractive and not the 99th option, People just assume i'm a sick women hater because i struggle to get laid and seeking some advice here, My therapist himself can't actually deny most of my talking points because even when i'm convinced some of t…
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:36 AM
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Bro i just didn't actually write chad, because i was afraid it would get flagged, Honestly the guys i'm feeling inferior to is chad, yeah i know i have to hit the gym, work on making bank, fashion etc., But honestly at that point why would i even want the company of these average girls LOL, like i would honestly start resenting the girls as being unworthy of me by that point, i actually already think they are, But yeah i feel bad putting in double effort for same reward from some unremarkable gi…
/r/seduction31/03/22 03:27 AM
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That is what i've been doing but keeping in touch with aquaintances is time consuming af
/r/seduction16/03/22 06:57 PM
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That is not the real problem, i am personally comfortable, but if i hit a group of friends and fail im basically burned with them, i want to flirt and hit on them in a way that i dont affect the chances with the next girl, Its a cold approach habit honestly, im very forward with strangers because i might literally never see them again so getting rejectes aa 0 consequences, in these warmer approaches, that seems to not be the case and im not used to it....
/r/seduction16/03/22 06:56 PM
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When i am safe that i won't likely see the girl again if i failed, i just go for it, But college is very different where i live, our courses basically have a pre programmed schedule of classes and you can't opt in other classes because you want to learn, Most courses with hot girls is psychology, dentists, and biomedicine, and it's not easy to justify taking some random medical class for an engineering student, And you are right, in the biomedicine room in front of my class, there is only a sing…
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:41 AM
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That is what i am currently doing, i got a bunch of friends, but zero IOI's (maybe one im investigating), Being normal and funny has been really good for making friends and being the center guy in the women's group, All guys in my class are actively simping for an 8 since day one, all the other girls just basically hang out with me, but it seems to be 100% platonic, And also there are girls in other courses that are really gorgeous, and i really can't have a smooth way to become friends/get to k…
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:36 AM
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That is basically what i've been doing, its just the wasted potential that bothers me, I'm in engineering, i literally am friends with all the girls in my class already, and it's really hard to justify socializing with the other courses, it becomes really obvious why i'm trying to socialize with them, Honestly engi seems fun but it's a big bullet to the foot when sex life is concerned LOL EDIT: attracting girls passively requires you to be attractive, i know i am quite decent looking but college…
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:27 AM
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I mean for me just being brutally honest has been the best, if she objects or try to weird me out i just neg the shit out of her, If she politely declines it's fine, most my women friends are in this category, I joke around saying, "All female friends have benefits from default"
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:18 AM
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Brah it's been fun, but i also want to get laid and the more the better, It's not bad, but could be a lot better!
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:14 AM
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Recognizing the band is the least important part of it all LOL, also backpacking could give you the misterious stranger vibe, you could capitalize on random girls at bars,
/r/seduction10/03/22 02:05 AM
1

You honestly remind me of amon amarth vocalist!
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:46 AM
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You could try to go for Joakim Broden (Sabaton) kind of looks with the short hair!!! Can you grow a good beard?
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:34 AM
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You really need to go to metal/rock bars and try to get to know the staff, maybe add skincare too, Keep the long hair it fits the vibe and your face really well!
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:31 AM
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Brah how old are you?, you give me the rockstar vibes! You could try to nichemaxx around that, maybe grow a goatee and start always wearing a band t-shirt, boots and same pants!!!
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:29 AM
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If i fail to get their number insta-date, i try to become friends with them, so i at least have someone to vouch about me being a cool guy!!!
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:27 AM
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Brah, what is wrong with women is excessive amount of options, and that they don't seem to mind sharing anymore, so for now i am banking on social proof, being friends with women and being surrounded by women at all times possible, So that i give the vibe of "there must be a secret, why are all these girls giving him attention" when in fact they are not, im just their friend, but it won't matter, i just invite them all to grab some drinks after classes, and just flirt agressively Use the opportu…
/r/seduction10/03/22 01:25 AM
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My hobbies are gaming, gun stuff (shooting range, airsoft, gunsmithing), and gym basically, i really like the gym, Most of the things you are mentioning, are really stuff that is not worth it if you only want women, owning a cool home and car, chasing education and career, being rich, grinding, being extra social, Do you really believe that the average pussy is worth all that effort, sure if you pursue these things for yourself then fine, but grinding to get women like that, i don't think its wo…
/r/seduction09/03/22 09:41 PM
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Most of them become friends afterwards, even after rejection, im quite extroverted but im a "few words, lots of impact" kind of guy, I however hate small talk so i ask some interesting questions to get a real talk going, i don't go asking about weather or shit like that, i ask what led her to choosing X major, and listen carefully and ask pertinent question, i hardly fake interest in said topics... Also think about it, 80% or more of the entire population between 5.5 and 4.5/10 if im a 6 im alre…
/r/seduction09/03/22 09:25 PM
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Because in brazil, they are more often than not actually thugs, search any brazilian funk clips and you will get what i mean
/r/seduction09/03/22 08:56 PM
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Revamped hardcore after breakup, im usually with t-shirts with stamp, (metal bands, pop culture, etc.), jeans black or grey, and whatever shoes, my hair is a short military style fade cut, with a little bit extra on top, james dean/ryan gosling inspired, Hygiene is on point, i might however slack off in weekends when im alone, Im a solid 5 i think, i find myself attractive but my experience seems to point otherwise
/r/seduction09/03/22 08:55 PM
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Fair enough brah, will just keep approaching then, also i think i will just mix the escorts in so i really become outcome independent!!
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:41 AM
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Oh no you got it all wrong, i love passion and being so thirsty that you just want to drink all her juices, but if it requires such a grind, handling infinite rejections, Passing a bunch of shit tests, spending time money and sanity, for a girl that couldn't care less about you, is very depressing,
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:27 AM
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Brah, i think you are just way out of touch, i don't hate myself or anything like that, but you are being delusional, as its evident most guys are and will be average, AVERAGE IS NOT BAD, What you are suggesting is to be so happy, fullfilled, successful, etc. That i will attract said dream girl, But at that point why the hell would i want a girl LOL, i honestly am passionate about simplicity and hedonism, being chill and just enjoying sensations and pleasure, and sex is big part of that, I just …
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:20 AM
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I get it but i don't want to waste my 20's AKA the most vigorous part of your life being celibate, sure it will get better, but just grinding mindlessly for 9 years without pussy will drive me crazy, I won't be able to treat the hot 20yo girls as equals anymore, i might actually grow to despise them and i don't want to be uncle Victor, if you get what i mean...
/r/seduction09/03/22 04:55 AM
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What are you trying to say with this?
/r/seduction09/03/22 04:52 AM
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Hiring an escort does not mean i would stop trying, it just meant that i could totally separate my sexual results with my gaming success, so i could be a lot more patient about it, Hiring the trick however might get me addicted and that is what i fear.....
/r/seduction09/03/22 03:17 AM
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So you mean that i need to be way above average for average pussy, This is honestly not worth the deal, unless you are really going hardcore and dedicate yourself really hard, and score a rich, gorgeous model, that also is amazing in bed and has an amazing personality, or it seems not worth bothering, Why be financially comfortable, good looking, in shape, have game, and also be pleasant, when you could literally just buy a much hotter girl for one hour and save time, effort and money?, I'm 20yo…
/r/seduction09/03/22 03:06 AM
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Define grind, you mean just LMS?
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:48 AM
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I mean what i actually am trying to say that, with this numbers game approach, you actually have to take what is offered, zero choice or considerations for what i actually find attractive, If i hit on like most of the girls at the club, i will get to 30, but then they are hardly worth all that effort, i don't mind talking to girls, most of my friends are actually woman now, its just that they are either taken or just fugly, Should i just discard my standards? This is so much dedication to improv…
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:47 AM
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The question of a lot of effort is actually just 2 things, That i need a very large effort to be considered for just insta kiss/fuck close, or entering a FWB deal, which i never actually managed, And that interest seems widely unreciprocal, which honestly basically makes me go limp, if she seems not interested, then it seems its basically prostitution, in that case i would just rather pay, Im a 5/10, 6/10 when i make an effort, 6.5/10 if i really go out of my way to look good
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:36 AM
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Utter shit, most of the people i match with are just trans women, and i look fairly bland, and common in the looks department, What im doing now is just befriending girls at my engineering class, and a few guys, but most of them have a thug vibe, and are just small minded it seems, its harder to be friends with them than with women honestly, Also approaching doesn't add much, because i get the same evasive or just friendly chat after rejection, 90% seem to be taken or fake being taken, they are …
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:24 AM
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I guess it could be for a safety aspect, or a power dynamic thing, if she's bi and as an ugly girlfriend, whenever they are out the men would find her quite hot by comparison, so they get off that power trip so much that dating the fatty is not that bad, I'm not a women, i just observed that honestly
/r/seduction07/03/22 02:44 AM
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Lady, have a good day, you are incapable of reading a reply, nothing more to say...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:40 PM
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Why the hell would someone work more than bare minimum and not sit in front of a computer all day, if doing more and trying to be better is most likely pointless, Like getting paid to do shit and getting rewarded with sex WAS LITERALLY THE NORM, so men felt like they could work and do shit to achieve what they want, Now since they realized this is fruitless they just become parasites, And about the kid who didn't get the toy he wanted, he later discovers that if he works and makes some money he …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:27 PM
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Ehn you said yourself you didn't read what im saying, so i will stop talking to a wall, good luck for you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:08 PM
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Yeah, women basically own culture here, which means these top men actually dictate it because women become cumsluts for these guys, So it just means that massage parlors and brothels are incredibly lucrative here, And that most guys are miserable and secretly hate their wife, reffering to your wife as "Boss" is incredibly common sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:06 PM
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Your friends can overlook your flaws, your crush might actually not, she might be your friend, but would never consider fucking you, So in other words your friend overlooking your flaws are more important than you overlooking them yourself, Sure it helps if you do to convince others, but by itself its useless...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:50 PM
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Brah, hardly any woman are more attractive than momoa LOLLOL, but you are talking about top of the top cream de la creme people, The average girl can just offer herself to get pump and dumped by about every man on a 100km radius, and even jason momoa would have a hard time pumping and dumping women at his looks level, The average girl is also chubby in america, doesn't have huge ass and tits, or blue eyes whatever, not a problem to them it seems, Literally we built society promising men a wife a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:49 PM
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You didn't get it at all, the fact that makes Henry and Jason hot seems to be that they are way above average, If you made the average men look like that then they both would be average and thus unnapealling, And you seem to not really care about men or anyone else in that matter, that just show some very narcissistic behaviour, That aside, i think you should care about these guys because they were the creators of patriarchy in the first place, its purpose was LITERALLY to include these men in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:15 PM
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Then i got it wrong, i thought it meant making the first move/doing the courting, thanks for clarifying, But still, being left out of something you see all the time in media/around you/friends circle, is BOUND to cause problems,
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:05 PM
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Its that being hot does seem to not be an objective thing, it seems like a relative to what's available, if all men looked like Henry Cavill, then he would be an equally undesirable, Also don't you realize that excluding people to some of the most basic and primal human experiences is BOUND to cause alot of problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:03 PM
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Well, im from brazil, it might not be as bad for the "beta" guys over here, but they are actively mocked by cultural media, and being a hoe here is actually praised, sure we don't actually call them sluts "although even the songs, the girls call the girls sluts, note that women love the music here", Women might sometimes "go Dutch" (i don't fully get what it means yet) for men here, but you must be REALLY attractive preferably rich/have status, the average guys need to either find these same gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:00 PM
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Friends are one thing, allowing you to drop panties is a completely different story.....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:52 PM
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Being a slut is literally not an offense where i live, its an achievement almost, Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:47 PM
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Didn't type much because i was in the bus, but explaining: What matters more, you believing you are a fucking awesome guy, or other people agreeing with you and sharing your view of being awesome, Most of the time is option 1 actually, HOWEVER if you want these said people to admire/like/fuck/be friends with you, option 2 matters much more, TLDR: what you believe won't matter if no one agrees with you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:46 PM
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Ehn men are totally NOT overweight where i live, i don't know how the average men in burgerland are, but here these men are not overweight, most common male jobs here are bricklayers, uber drivers, work lifting boxes/loading trucks, rarely men here are actually overweight, culture here is very phisically active, every guy plays a bit of soccer on the regular, They also most likely live in dangerous places, so if they are still alive they are socially skilled and somewhat fit, pissing off crimina…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:40 PM
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The average guy is not that sexually inept, is decently fit and could go at it for at least half an hour with some practice, sure he might be retarded if is his first time, but if guys just have a decent attitude to shut up and learn, good fingering, pussy licking and lasting is very attainable for the average stud, The problem here is that this guy is being totally left out of the game, its like you watch people playing some soccer everyday, wanting to play too, but they never let you in, you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:12 AM
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Average where i live (brazil), He makes about 400 dollars a month (normal for interns, or just "dead-end jobs"), he has about 3 to 7 friends, is 1,75 CM tall, and has slightly darker skin but is white, (people are almost all mixed in here), is not overweight but sports a beer gut, and most "facial features", are actually "black phenotype", big noses and lips, wide foreheads, and thicker skinned usually so people's faces look more rugged overall, Its bad to paint a picture, but even in the most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:14 AM
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You can have the best life in the world, be the most awesome men there is, if no one shares your view it doesn't count for much, if you care about singlehood/loneliness that is, We are supposed to expect absolutely nothing from anyone, and just be an absolute unit of a man, but then why the hell would you even bother having relationships right?, well personally no probs, but on a macro scale its a huge problem!!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:08 AM
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Not ugly, dead average, what is supposed to be middle ground
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:04 AM
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I mean i agree with you but do you believe most of these average "ugly" people can realistically change to become more attractive, within reason of course, so you believe fitness, skincare, fashion can fix an average guys uglyness, or its delusional to think you can improve to the point of being desirable by a few people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 09:45 PM
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With some outstanding effort then yes, but if you had to work your entire life just to be able to have bare minimum, would you want to play that game, Or would you quit the game, cheat, or sabotage it entirely? There is an increase in men not seeing a point in helping society or be productive at all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:45 PM
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I don't actually believe anything can be done, society will either slowly collapse or they will take women's freedoms away, both terrible outcomes, I'm personally scared for the future and my personal future too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:36 PM
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Well good looking men is asking for too much but improving one's prospects sure is possible, do you think it's a valid idea to just do plastic surgery if ugly, are short men doomed?, advising someone to just give up is asking for that person to cause serious problems to society in the future....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:12 PM
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So it basically never started for these guys?, this is a bad thing to just admit because these men will in the end find a way, All countries that recently accepted immigrants in europe from africa and the middle east saw a huge spike in rape cases and public crime, because those african guys were obviously unnattractive among the tallest, usually considering most attractive people in the entire world, Men turn violent if peace doesn't help them, this is bad and must be looked at....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:10 PM
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The real question is why 90% of men are undesirable and only about 40% of women are too, men rate 60% of women attractive, women only rate like 10%, Can these 90% do anything to become less attractive or are women's standards nowadays pretty much unattainable for most men?, People in the past literally invented the patriarchy and such systems to get men paired up because single, unhappy men are literally a danger to public safety and social stability, to the point that oppressing half of the ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:06 PM
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Not impossible but yeah its hard
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 07:27 PM
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I absolutely agree with that, nothing more to add
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:56 PM
1

Yeah that is bad people should not have to do that period, it's sad AF
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:22 PM
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Anyone trying to get into your pants should be at least a friend/friendly, N-count matters to those bothered by it, IT IS NOT EVERYONE, N-counts matters but aren't necessarily bad, high N count women have the benefit of most likely being proficient in sex, so you can count on not having starfish sex if you date her for example, If you don't actually have a high libido or are inexperienced, then a high N-count women might not be the best choice for you, It has pros and cons, its just that the peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:18 PM
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What i tried to say is that men VOICE that they desire what they can get to not appear incapable to others of achieving what he want, I can't express that i only want casual relationships without being made fun of when i absolutely fail to have them, Like people in toxic marriages trying to convince you and themselves that marriage is awesome, and incentivizing you to do so, but if they had the choice they would nope out ASAP
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:02 PM
1

Well we should respect cashiers and janitors much more, but this is a whole other level of inequality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:00 PM
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Don't you think for example if male intimacy was more common, non sexual, less men would tolerate bullshit behaviour from women thus making them more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:59 PM
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Looks matter to expand your options, looks don't matter after you said hi and clicked with the person, Sure you might be an adonis and have tons of women available, if none are your type it won't matter, You could be a bun but if the only girl that ever said hi to you is your dream girl, then you are happy, Looks determine what you can choose, not what you want/makes you happy, that only the quality of said options will determine, TLDR: Pretty people have more choice thus more chance to find a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:29 PM
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N count matters, if said guy doesn't want a person who drank more male milk than their mothers ever breastfed them, he has all the right to reject that, If you want to hookup with said girl, well if she is up for some casual fucking you likely weren't the first and won't be the last, otherwise it's hypocrisy Similar if you have stuck your Johnson in half of the town but want your future wife to be a virgin, you might have made her not yourself already, again hypocrisy, If i was a monk for 30 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:20 PM
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In a social setting, a man's position and respect is too tied in his success with women overall, like a hard working bald fat indian men in his 50's, might be subconsciously AND consciously be treated as a lesser than the hot intern who got hired recently, EVEN in situations where women aren't even relevant, like with his buddies out drinking, whatever the AMOG says is worth more and is more respected, Men have caught up with this devaluing of non virile men, and now don't want to be part of som…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:13 PM
1

What does it actually mean then? i'm not american....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:04 PM
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I mean that is basically taking people's autonomy on knowing what they want, I can respect your opinion and all but this i can't agree with, if she says he wants an asian midget with a pair of huge milkers who mixes japanese with every half a word she says in english, I really don't believe we can say that he doesn't actually want that and becky would make him just as happy, he gets to decide that, and he needs to feel happy not us...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:03 PM
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Well you might not be going out, but you certainly are putting yourself out there, and being on the hunt, So in the end your not being passive, so yeah that i would count as "going out there"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:59 PM
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Well we could try removing the incentives people have to lie, if that guy could hookup easily, or had a few FWB's, i really doubt he would be there lying to said women just to get some pussy, And i agree men tend to give up much more easily, Women could just try to pair up these men with their friends who seem up to what he is looking for, yeah you might not be into sucking his dick, but hey Karen was looking for a "guy just like you",
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:57 PM
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What if you were said average dude, who from PUA statistics, if you're not a GOOD PUA, you might have a 2 to 3% conversion rate, that's talking to 100 girls just to get 3 phone numbers, from these phone numbers, most flake, So let's assume 10% don't flake/ghost you, that would be 0,3¨% conversion rate, you would need to talk to 300 women just to get a date, that is like almost an year of daily going out and talking to at least 2 women, If you only go out on weekends you need to approach at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:53 PM
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I mean yeah it's soul crushing going out everyday to cold approach people because you have already tried to get relationship with everyone else you know was available, What other options you have other than giving up, or keep looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:42 PM
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Most people desire to be happy and fullfilled, if they think hooking up every weekend with a different girl is the way, all the power to them, want to marry the first girl they see in a club and have 3 children?, fine, It's just complicated because spotting who is open to what you are looking for, and asking for what you want in a way that won't probably get you cancelled/called names/beaten up, is really, REALLY hard, That assuming there are actually people looking for what you want, most of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:39 PM
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Well then i can assure they never seen women wanting to jump an actually hot guys bones ever, If these guys were friends with girls, they would know they can be little dirty cumsluts for their average boyfriends if they think he is hot, Hell, my then girlfriend was really the sexual initiator after she felt safe with me, i didn't need to ask for sex, she complained one day i wasn't fucking her enough LOL, those were good times.....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:33 PM
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Maybe i don't want to commit to a woman and play house with her, but if i don't fullfill her every wish i barely can get A women to date casually, Yeah sure the odd guy just wants ONS's, i believe there is a bunch of guys who would rather be friends with benefits with their girlfriends, but neither her, nor any other girl is an option for him, so he decides to date so he can at least have interactions with women, sexually or otherwise, Hell imagine if a chad guy was asexual and wanted to date bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:29 PM
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Jerking off is really a bad substitute, it doesn't simulate what men actually want, people i might say, and that is to feel loved and accepted, men barely have any meaningful friendships, they rely very heavily on girlfriends and wives to have any sort of intimacy, If you think its just about pumping and dumping you got it all wrong, let's assume a more unusual problem, let's assume mr. chad wants to find a wife and start a family, however all the girls who give him attention are just hoes wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:24 PM
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What i tried to say is that looks are important in determining your option, it's actually a bad predictor for relationship satisfaction, even hookup satisfaction
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:16 PM
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Status and money, maybe they are actually nice people too, but yes in the looks department i've seen girls settle more, in the personality and toxicity guys settle more, Looks are very important, maybe the most important part, but it's not everything
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:03 PM
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How going out is a bad option, mind expanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:49 PM
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The example was from men because it's the common complain, women do also mostly have shit options, they however get to pick their poison more often than not... Say people have X interest, how can we make it acceptable for them to demonstrate so and find ways to connect with the like minded without too much risk,
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:43 PM
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Really hope they come up with some good ones, because fleshlights and dolls are good but not nearly the same as a real breathing, dripping pussy..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:41 PM
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I didn't imply they don't settle, but the common occurence is the guy settling most of the time, it's what people here think, Settling is bad for everyone period...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:38 PM
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Being touched is a common form of showing intimacy which is what is obviously lacking, also, from my personal experience, female skin is wildly different from male skin, its just a completely different thing, i'm sure women sometimes lack that kind of touching too, Its not because society brainwashed them that its bad, most guys simply don't enjoy it with other guys and that's fine, nowadays what i've done is ask a female friend to just hang out and cuddle, she's aware of my current dry spell an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:50 PM
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If you are suddenly talking to someone new and you forgot to think about why you are talking to said guy, You've been cold approached already
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:00 PM
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They don't desire their options most of the time but they settle
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:53 PM
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So wrong buddy, when you do it yourself you start spotting it, in the street, subway, coffee shop, gym, gas station, campus, in your apartment block, people who are good at it will not appear to have cold approached said person, A good cold approach feels natural
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:52 PM
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I mean they deserve to be happy, if they want a relationship and some mad lad wants to make mommy happy, go ahead, but usually said mad man would opt out if he had a choice, Some guys might actually like their stepkids who would have guessed, most don't however, therein lies the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:49 PM
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Roommate is valid, true, i guess that when you lack a so, you can't have that much intimacy with your aquaintances, Especially for men, you can't really cuddle with your friends, especially not guy friends, most girls are not comfortable cuddling with friends too... Cats also purr when they are happy, might be a blessing when you get cramps, hot, fluffy, and vibrating!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:47 PM
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It does, LTR is scarce for women too....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:44 PM
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Can you realistically create meaningful opportunities by your own actions or are they just too ineffective and don't affect your chances much
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:41 PM
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Exactly, if people didn't try to con each others, and women actually offered the sex for relationship and men offered the relationship for sex, it would be fine, But most people don't deliver what they said they would, we end with pumping and dumping and dead bedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:40 PM
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Not as large as betabuxxing honestly, a better investment IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:38 PM
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1-2 are spot on, 3 i think its not so black and white, what i see nowadays is more hoe-shaming than slut-shaming, like condemning monkeybranching, cheating, sugaring at all levels, people seem much more open to promiscuity, everyone knows men love sluts, its women who slut shame much harder, 4 is just wrong, redpill is necessary awareness, women are very dangerous nowadays, men need to be informed that women can be devious little cunts if they with to be, they aren't pure beings angelical light,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:37 PM
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One sided concession is just bad, what im trying to is if men as a whole can do something either individually or as a group to become more attractive, Or does everybody improving makes a new standard and then the efforts just vanish, Is it possible for men, to me mostly hot, fuckable men, or only a few will ever be no matter how much you improve the average?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:30 PM
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Bingo, if you're in the rich neighbourhoods in brazil then sure, being white in an favela area is to your detriment however, In the favela parties, thugmaxxed black dudes are king my man, and a lot of said rich girls from afluent neighbourhoods, go to these parties to get fucked by said black dudes, so yeah bro you have much more options being a POC here than in europe/US
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:21 PM
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Juice not worth the squeeze basically, what could be done to make the game more playable for men? We as a society really need to keep these men satisfied honestly, if you never seen what a trucker strike can do to the economy, pay attention, Men in relationships are the greatest contributors to the economy by far.....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:17 PM
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The women are present in night life already, they are there available, but if said undesirable men showed up it wouldn't matter to women, as long as the desirable men is on tinder/nightclub, the other guys not being present won't matter sadly, If these said chads however stop going then yeah it would make sense, i'm really hoping for neuralink porn, literally will be the same thing because its directly in your brain, it might be in fact better than actual sex, BYE BYE PUSSY CARTEL LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:14 PM
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Sluts are not the same as bitches, Slutty girls are just sex positive, Bitches are just self-serving entitled women, who are so narcissistic they can't even see the floor they walk in, It just so happen that most sluts are bitches too, And don't fool yourself every man loves sluts, but we sure do hate bitches!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:59 AM
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I mean not a deal, i'm not even american, But if you compromise with a partners wants and said partner also caters to your wants equally it is not that much of settling At least not one sided settling
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:56 AM
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Not enough women wanting their terms, while testosterone tortures them into copulating with whatever vulva owner they can......
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:55 AM
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If you can't hear what you don't like and chill, you're a child, civility is a basic responsibility, Hell the lack of it got us in this mess im discussing LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:53 AM
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Spot on LOL, well idk if you're american, but i'm personally going to find 2-3 good pros i like and visit from time to time, so when i actually flirt with civilians they can't leverage the thirst card against me!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:50 AM
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Yeah i think that most men barely can get A relationship, choosing then its unrealistic, It's more of a problem of the nature of the relationship, than something as hair color, wanting relationships and being only offered hookups for example, its not even remotely similar to consider as a trade because what you want most is not even happening....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:48 AM
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Read top comment reply, its the same question!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:42 AM
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Dude 1-2% are those VERY red heads, people with somewhat red hair are ALOT more common, Not to mention girls dye their hair all the time, i think the "intense/hotheaded" is more important than it actually being red, its just the stereotype for redheads....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:41 AM
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Obese, disabled chicks, and even single moms deserve to be happy, and have relationships, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS HOWEVER, i would 100% date a fat chick, if i met her at the gym, a single mother if she clearly was financially stable already, disabled girl if she could still fend for herself and do what she can to reciprocate, None of these conditions are a problem, entitlement is...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:37 AM
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What im saying is that a particular "kind" of person usually is offered a particular kind of off option, College jock might have more oportunities for casual sex than the average banker, but women are lining up to have a chance to have an LTR with said banker, they just won't offer NSA sex to him, Yeah pairing up and finding ways for people to be more transparent with your choices would help people find eachother more easily, for example....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:33 AM
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I mean most people would do that REGARDLESS of relationship status, its really not a substitute, I love my little bastard deeply but he's a dog in the end of the day, But yeah if you want a fair deal in affection doggos are the way to go, those mofos are truly the friends of men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:29 AM
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Well that doesn't change the fact that if it's never offered he might never have it, A decently attractive dude can only bang fatties for example, if he suddenly decides he wants attractive girls, it won't materialize out of thin air, Even if he improves considerably, gets a six pack, height surgery, paint his eyes blue and his hair blonde, add a new jawline, then we would still be banging way below his level and would be equally insatisfied, Men seems to be the one to ALWAYS be forced to compro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:25 AM
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She's right shit options are still options, if you take them or not is up to you, Doesn't change the fact it deeply sucks...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:18 AM
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It is indeed funny but also sad, because well someone's got to concede someday......
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:16 AM
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Because most of rhem realized they don't have to, what i'm saying is that they might want something not LTR but its not being offered... So in the end, no one is happy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 11:15 AM
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Yeah, every men loves sluts, every person knows it, why pretend its not real? I think too many men develop a bunch of mental health problems that are so common we normalize it, like the depressed men who has abandonment issues, or self esteem issues, its so normalized and manned up that people think it is just male behaviour, But i actually think toxic enviroments breed sickness in the minds of so many men we barely imagine otherwise anymore, if you raise a boy to be manly, and teach him that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:03 AM
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I think that if people were less deceitful and honest with each other, better deals could be struck and people would be much more satisfied settling, "Ask, and you shall receive"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:50 AM
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There are companies who sell a week worth of whatever macros you need, frozen and ready to just microwave and eat, its quite varied, and comes in different prices but are all pretty expensive, at least for my budget
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:48 AM
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I mean, its the free meal fear men have, just worse because the meal ends up being you... And yes no one likes being used, and being the agressor means you are making yourself a possible target for abusers, so its fucked up, Not that being passive is safe either, you won't be doing the work for a scam at least
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:40 AM
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I mean relationships aren't the universal goal, but being good looking help every single type of goal, so it seems to be an objectively improvement in your view correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:36 AM
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Fair enough, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:10 AM
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Meal prep is already available in that ease honestly, its expensive however, so money is the name of the game then...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:09 AM
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Yes most people judge me wildly far from what i really am, That is very much my personal case, not to be taken as basis for anything, One thing that women could start doing that is not simply just practical, is actually not dismissing men when they complain, men RARELY complain or open up, so if he mustered the courage to open up, it is something very serious, even if silly to you, like lack of pussy, some men are really deeply bothered by it.....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:06 AM
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So it wouldn't last because hypergamy then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:59 AM
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Do you believe then for example that men can just looksmaxx very hardcore so they can sustainably get laid while being single/like most non monogamous guys want to at least, My question boils down to, is casual for example attainable within reason (not PUA level effort for example), for an average guy? or is it too much fantasy and seeking an mono LTR which is more commonly desired be a more prudent choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:58 AM
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I framed men in my post but women suffer from the exact same phenomenon, they often compain its hard to find looksmatch men for LTR especially the pretty girls, who want her looksmatch to lock her down but he's too busy banging fatties, I think that what women can do is just stating what they want more clearly and being willing to haggle with men, maybe johnny wants a slut, jane wants a loving hubby, then being a horny wife and a teddy bear is not THAT absurd of a compromise for these 2, about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:49 AM
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Lady you're so wrong, i've seen a lot of cold approaches, most obv don't work but it's not the goal honestly, Well i think that private safety does play a role, if you're going with a guy to his apartment to have sex, you need to feel safe he will pound your pussy not your face, risk of abuse when alone in a bedroom with a stronger person is real
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:39 AM
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So if every man looked like henry cavill, would they all be attractive and lust inspiring, or they would then look plain and boring like the average guy is today?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:36 AM
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For example individualy women should matchmake and help their guy friends partner hunt more often, On a macro level women could start cold approaching more so men could just try signalling what they are up to like women do too, since women rarely are threatening to men, this would eliminate alot of the fear of being a creep, because if she approached you, she's interested already
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:35 AM
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I am not exactly an alt guys, in fact im quite conservative, its that mercenary vibe i pass, but in reality im very vanilla, and would like someone quite vanilla too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:33 AM
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Honestly people get what they want anyway, no laws stopped people from doing drugs, hiring hookers, stealing, etc. And if it is THAT level of freeing men would see a light in the tunnel of not needing to deal with women anymore, i bet it would wake some sleeping giants, quite pun intended...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:31 AM
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fair enough, so this average girl is a much more unstable pick for her looksmatch?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:28 AM
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What i mean is that if an average guy isn't monogamous for example, could he reasonably chase his sexuality, or is it too unrealistic since he is playing against market forces?, is it reasonable to assume he can improve himself to have said sex life he wants?, or that is shooting his shot too far?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:27 AM
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Is it competitive or objective, if both teams score one, is it even or they are both richer for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:21 AM
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do you believe this 1 couple is stable at least, it seems very easy for someone to just swoop in and mess them up for the lulz, some thot/jock giving either free attention to make them question their attraction easily
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:20 AM
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I really want to see how some stuff like Neuralink porn will change that, literally injecting the feeling of having 10 cocks being sucked at the same time could sure beat some dry pussy There is a big increase in men checking out of dating at large, it might not be that impactful yet but its something,
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:17 AM
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is 6-7 good enough for normal relationships? like without some strong power inbalances? i believe 7-8 range is where men and women have the same level of options honestly, i believe peak men have it all, but 7-8 is where its even IMO...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:13 AM
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Do you believe that if suddenly everyone became fit, it wouldn't be an bonus at all, like saying if everyone is pretty then they are just average thus not enjoyable anymore, or do you believe that if everyone improved it would be a net gain for everyone? In other words, you believe attraction is more competitive, or objective?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:05 AM
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No female is truly femcel, they are just undateable and you don't want to be seen with them, but most guys accept free blowjobs honestly, i'm guilty myself LOL, Also this is CMV, do you actually don't agree that something can possibly be done to make looksmatches more attractive to each other overall, and for all kinds of relationships too? from hookups to marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:03 AM
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They can literally fap their way into it, female orgasm releases a bunch of oxytocin by itself, fapping not so much EDIT: i believe male orgasm doesn't even play any part in it at all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:58 AM
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Fair enough, i do really agree that what women can do is just normalize flirting, and also cold approaching for women too, i imagine they might get accepted more often than men, it would be less painful too since less rejection, I also believe that men as a whole should strive to try and improve public safety, if women don't feel safe around men, how would she feel confident to try and ask same dude for sex, if i was a short lady i would be scared asking a 6ft guy even what time is it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:57 AM
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So there will never ever be peace on earth? what im saying is that we will always be at odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:50 AM
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It's gimpgirl, she means exactly that, trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:49 AM
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Most people i see seems barely satisfied with what they have, if we can't trust the mating game, we will soon forget to have children and wonder why we are going extinct, making it appealing for most people is in the best interest of everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:49 AM
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Fair enough, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:45 AM
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I've read somewhere on reddit that men have a harder time producing oxytocin which is the bonding hormone, especially on their own, and you can keep chasing that high if you lack it, like depressed people inducing in dopaminergic habits, Sex is alot of oxytocin, but female orgasms liberate it more than males do, so fapping for women is much more effective substitute than for men, while men require the "foreplay" part of sex more to liberate it, They might be in this case, addicted to feeling the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:43 AM
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I mean some people prefer it over singlehood, doesn't mean it is good for either partner...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:37 AM
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Yeah sure, this is true, but well do you believe that everyone can improve enough to attract what they are looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:35 AM
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Fair enough i agree, do you believe that improvement can be punctual, or does everyone improving also, takes you back to square one for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:34 AM
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Not picky, pickier, women also settle for some pretty crappy husbands too, avoiding this is also a problem honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:33 AM
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I mean my appeal personally seems to be very polar, i would call myself very nichemaxxed almost, im a metalhead, serious looking guy, acid AF, and got that "rebel guy free spirit" vibe some bikers have although i don't bike myself, have a single tattoo on the way (drawn, will paint later), the typical checkerboard shirt with an band t-shirt guy, that is me at least, Most girls hate it, the ones that like absolutely dig me, not very universal at least
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:32 AM
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Yeah i've got an almost 8/10 close with a tourist girl the other day, she was much older than i thought but who cares she was incredibly nice and looked hotter than people my age, Color in Brazil is not that big of a deal buddy, you need to look manly here, and tough also helps, Me personally i get most of my IOI's (recently single) from black girls, and nerdy girls, which i may be a "nerd" myself but they TEND to carry alot of other traits that i hate (shut-in, not very extroverted, too passive…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:27 AM
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they would still be settling in this case, they just were cut access from who they want that is not the point, if they don't want you they don't, flipping the coin will just make both parties hurt...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:18 AM
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That's what i imagine that i want, if something completely different appers and im sold, then it's fixed, the problem is not being happy with your choices, I know that not getting what you want is the norm, but also not having absolutely any means to improve your chances is just depressing, that's why i made this CMV, because i honestly don't want to believe in that LOL, but most people just agree so yeah, Doomed i guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:16 AM
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Some people are only presented said options or being alone, which can be a bad option too if you don't want to actually be alone, So in the end you don't ever win, you just lose less, and that is just what i'm trying to ask to see if anyone thinks can be changed from the norm, or personally at least....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:12 AM
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Well i didnt say that it needed a gender imbalance, if someone is not happy then it obviously doesn't count, Women not finding a man wanting to be monogamous that she likes is a common complaint too, how to help these women out is also part of the question...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:09 AM
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So you believe men fostering more tight knit bonds like women have will help making this entire process less painful?, Also about keeping looking, don't you believe in any active strategies to find partners that have some efficient/effective results, or its just dumb luck?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:06 AM
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Being alone is an option always, doesn't mean it isn't also a bad option he doesn't actually want, being involuntarily anything is at the core of the problem here, and having no way to react about it the enemy i'm trying to poke here, Being an inkwell in the literal sense of the world, is just as bad, altough aforementioned people have a bad rep, not all of them are just shit people, some, as the name suggest, just ended there LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:03 AM
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Fair enough, thanks for your opinion anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:00 AM
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What i understand from pump and dump is that it involves lying, and lying people is literally at the core of the problem....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:58 PM
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What he said is right, both cases are valid, a bunch of men lie both ways, what about the ones who pretend they have no feelings for his fuck buddy who just wants dick? but he wants more and no one offers him that? its not the common case but illustrates that the problem is not it being casual or serious, long or short term, but not being what you actually want....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:57 PM
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I mean i sure don't limit it that hard, but if i want a "hotheaded ginger" type of girl and only ever got "afro geek" types, what i'm supposed to do LOL, Settling is bad and i personally hated my experience with it, but it seems SO inevitable, also i don't want to date anymore, love going out having fun, being intimate not just physically, and being fresh, Family meeting, dealing with dad/mom in law, extended family, having to keep frame ALL THE TIME so she doesn't dash, alot of shit, But if i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:54 PM
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Well then, if you asked him out what happened is that you presented him an option and it was a fit for him, you two were very lucky as this is uncommon, the "not settling at all" part i mean, But what actions can one take to make it more likely to happen? Are these any effective/efficient?, or he is down to luck and should just give up and focus on something else because he can't do much?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:47 PM
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Also if someone wants that, and there is a 10/10 who is hot for his bones, then WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?, do you really think slutty women who just want to get stuffed and dash out don't exist? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:44 PM
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I mean i could also say that it's not only better, but its also easier for women to hold out, they for example have overall large social networks so loneliness is much less of a factor/fear, women are much more touchy and cuddly overall, men really shake hands and give pats in the back, so touch starvation is more of a factor for men i think, Also that men having less options, they are much more likely to never ever finding whoever they are looking for sadly...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:43 PM
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So you believe its just luck in the end, and there is nothing one can do either about himself or be done about the whole group suffering from this, to change this, Like for example, i think that people are overall just distanced and being forced to interact through a bunch of interfaces, which means people are just more alone overall and it makes it harder to pair up with like minded people, so for example, trying to promote more IRL interaction and less screen time would help everyone, Your dre…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:39 PM
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Did he care or did any pursuing however, also you didn't care about it, alot of people do, and care very much about it, If you don't care whatever happens in your dating life then you aren't part of the problem at all, personally...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:32 PM
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What if you are from third world, im in fucking Brazil already LOL, About sex work, we honestly need to invest in the industry so the actually good professionals keep working, the amount of starfish working girls i've regretted paying is unfortunately majority, If then women end up having no say in their dating lives then you haven't improved anything, now women will suffer so that is bad too, everyone should aim for a fullfilling happy relationship in however personal terms they prefer, About c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:30 PM
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I sure believe you took some actions to get to meet said good choice right?, Or maybe he took said actions, which were these, because i honestly believe that for me, what i think is my biggest wish in life might be up to luck purely...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:23 PM
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The last paragraph simply doesn't make sense, if you suggest every average men to improve himself to above average, 2 things happen, one is that now they are all still dead average, and they will no longer want an average women, but its the only option he has, I will give a personal example, most girls that actually show interest in me are Black, a little chubby (not to much), of a "different socioeconomic class", and most, although super nice people i just dont match interests with, like alot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:21 PM
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That is absolutely not the question, if a guy wanted to not be commited that reality wouldn't make him happy at all and its the same problem, The real deal with your answer is, if i can't have what i want, nobody will, and well that is shit mentality, no one will like it in the end, The real reason is, no one will ever have what they actually want by their own choice, you need to be very lucky to get even close to what your ideal relationships look like, That's honestly kind of unsolvable to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:05 PM
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You didn't quite get the question, imagine a different situation, a 10 guy who can get laid easily alot, but what he actually wants is a LTR, but no matter what that is not being offered to him, so he has no agency in fullfilling his desires, This example above is unlikely but also tackles the question, what said guys wants rarely matters, only what his options offer him matters, so he might either give up his wishes and take what is offered or give up, Or there is a 3rd choice here im not seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:55 PM
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Its not about simply being single, its about having no agency in that fact, maybe he wants a quality relationship and hates singlehood, but is only ever offered bad choices, with being single including it because its not what he actually wants, The problem is what he wants ultimately not even mattering...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:51 PM
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DM me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 09:12 PM
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About 4 months ago i had...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:34 PM
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For a stupid 20yo, that's a nice compliment thanks Im articulate about this topic well because its honestly, in my personal life the big crux currently, so i read, study, compare, ponder alot about this, so i end up having a very clear picture of what im thinking, I post my thoughts in hopes mainly that someone will shatter them and offer a more positive perspective because its obvious i don't think the future is very bright neither for me neither for my fellow generation sadly....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:52 PM
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Now the real big crux that even is the trigger of most of my mental instability, is this even solvable, if not, is basically being happy/miserable just a big lottery then? Because i can't see a "personal plan to get your needs met" even being particularly effective
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:45 PM
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I actually don't agree completely, An example, oxytocin is the female orgasm hormone, and it is linked to bonding and intimacy, and feeling loved etc., the female orgasm liberates oxytocin naturally, even masturbating, men however hardly produce it naturally, it is produced mostly by having you be touched by another human being, and it is more effective if you believe it is real, When a hooker is good, she will make you believe in that moment that its real and make you forget about the money, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:40 PM
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This is the saddest honestly, imagine men didn't need women to have hetero sex with, how many would never talk to a women again, If men didn't need to buy eggs, AND a surrogate to have children on their own, like women can only by buying sperm, how many more single dads would there be around there?, imagine when sexdolls/neuralink porn hits the market? If women actually didn't require men to work/pay bills/have children, could fix their own sewers and change their own tires, and mine their own c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:20 PM
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I think when i say black hair its more about hair shape and texture, white and asian people usually have straight, very slippery and thin hair, black people usually are curvy, thick, and not soft so it tends to girl into the round, big shape some people have, A weird analogy is comparing a horse's hair, the "hair" is usually very soft and long, while the fur is more rugged and thick
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:05 PM
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Its not even a matter of being hardest or less harsh, everyone is unhappy, because people are not in a service mindset anymore because the employers are not paying their salary for too long, If i believed sex won't stop after commitment, If the girls believed when the guy says he wants commitment, The guys believed they could get the sex they want without faking commitment, The girls could get the commitment without faking sluttiness, None of this would exist, the problem is the interestest are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:01 PM
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I mean i will be honest with you, most guys want what they can get, sadly, most girls who give me attention are usually black, a little chubby, have "black people hair" (rough, not straight, sometimes dreads and blackpower), My type is redhead, pale levels of white, and a little on the skinny side, my type doesn't look my way most of the time, so i get with the ones that want to, Selling a fantasy is just to convince the guy to pay for your time, if it was for free you could just do whatever and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:54 PM
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You could do the rapper/ghetto queen pretty well as a black girl? Are you fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:47 PM
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If people had more free access to the kind of relationships they want, none of this would matter, for example if a guy has a high N count himself, he is much more likely to ignore her's, Same with the fact that if men had easy access to casual sex, many wouldn't be lying about commitment and hurting women's feelings too, Men and women are so wary and closed about each other, that both start relying on deception to get what they want, thus TRP, and FDS exist, because the market sucks for both men…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:44 PM
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I mean i think there are too many stuff i must ask before i can tell you what i think, Age? Where you live? How hot you actually are? Do you have any marketable niches? • Gamer girl? • Into cars? • the girl in the gun range? • Are you a goth or something? Most girlfriend experiences sell fantasies, like having the stereotypical "hotheaded ginger bombshell, hot goth, the 'one of the bois' kind of girl", I think you must be able to sell a fantasy otherwise its hard to market honestly,
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:09 PM
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Bro most straight guys dont like seeing other naked men around, Point 2 is like if men didn't want to mate guard because the instinct to guarantee the kid is yours is strong in males, unironically in the past, the pregnant women were more allowed to sleep around in the tribe, because being already preggo she wasn't at risk of getting double preggo, so the men suddenly didn't need to guard her and they were shared freely Also point 3 is absolutely bonkers because 99% of men won't get wealthy enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:09 PM
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Still have the ocasoional treasure, i have some marrier friends who their wives could easily pass as 32 year old if they wished....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:07 PM
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What i meant was instincts and drive to copulate, nothing to do with being a moron like you sound suggesting
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:06 AM
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Being single is often not a choice too, such bad choice it is for men to go without sex that they put up with varying degrees of absurd for it... Being single is super fun if you can get laid whenever you try a little bit, not so much if you can't at all
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:05 AM
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Well you just have to try anal once, most guys don't even like it, and for shaving, well if im shoving my face inside your pussy and properly stimulating clitoris/area around, your pubic hair is much more annoying than a very short dick hair that most first wont even touch their lips on, I think shaving should be the standard absolutely no matter what, I mean sugaring is also a trend why arent men protesting to ban it?, what about the rise in cuckoldry in general, why aren't men trying to ban th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:01 AM
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To your ape brain, if she fakes well enough you produce the dopamine anyway, if it tricks your reward system its better than nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:48 AM
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There are multiple reasons someone would, the problem is when its their only choice, then its a problem, otherwise i dont see why an older women would be a problem, i don't like much older but with me being 20, i find some single moms hotter than their daughters on s regular basis, so idk i see plenty of benefits, one being that i can't provide much financially so if we had to go to a motel for example she would likely split much more often than a college brat
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:46 AM
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Oh boy i thought a bolivian girl i met at the beach yesterday was 21 she was 29, dem fine auntie honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:42 AM
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Your husband had the choice, most guys have such a hard time with casual they tolerate playing relationship just so they get laid more regularly, its not very engaging relying on casual sex for your libido needs, since you don't know if you will see pussy anytime soon, Source: 1 year dry spell this month, its taken a toll on my wellbeing already, this is pure shit and i keep thinking about my shitty ex because this is equally shitty to be honest, fuck me i guess, literally
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:41 AM
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Most men can't haggle realistically because competition is too fierce, if you don't comply with absurd standards some mad lad will, and a lot of lads are fucking mad EDIT: There is a shortage of women who comply with these requirements, because unironically women own all the pussy supply in the world so they charge whatever absurd price they want.....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:35 AM
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Who said old is ugly, when i say old i mean older, what im thinking about is a 32 year old dude at a college aged party, if he looks good, and doesn't mention his age, he will get laid, if you have the assets of a 32 year old, but can pass by as being 27, you will slay much harder than the broke college student, Not all girls, but the smell of dollars make some womens pussy wetter than the niagara falls
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:33 AM
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Its not just for pussy, but it is a minimum requirement, come on this was rather obvious at least
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:28 AM
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Oh boy, that's light, unfair competion among men is basically wallet mogging, rockstar stealing your girl, chad at the gym is 6ft, those things you can't even cheat against, at least every women with spare cash can save up for a quality boob job and do some marketing campaigns on pornhub LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:18 AM
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That will put up with less sex and enjoy playing house without it, most guys are in it for the pussy, no pussy no happy hubby, If you fucked chad whenever he wanted, i expect at least the same level of availability, else its just a crap deal honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:09 AM
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If the supply is gone, why dig deeper then? If there are other ones fresh out of the oven, why grab a cougar when a fresh lioness just popped up?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:06 AM
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Lady, if we want one thing, and you aren't willing to comply with MAYBE getting that SOMEDAY, seems like s very scummy time investment, If everyone just fucked first date, decide it sucked and moved in, and making sex not really a big deal to women, both sides would be happier, Because all sex being great for men is a lie, men want quality sex but they often get what is offered, not what they want, but no sex is better than no sex so they don't complain, I'm here in PPD because i want to better …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:03 AM
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Wrong, you will get ALOT of sex from post wall women if you never commit to them fully, just keep them between, girlfriend/side chick, and she will try to fuck you into commitment, when she realizes you won't commit and stop putting out simply discard, It's not pretty, it's not fair, but it's the most intelligent way to finesse these women...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:54 AM
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Oh sweet summer child, even my father who was a chadlite admitted he lost it to a 60yo cougar because he was just that desperate, men have little say on their sex lifes LOL, And what i mean is that even if she doesn't care about the sexuality aspect of a relationship after she ages, men at large do, and MOST would glady swap an old women for a young one, even if they like their wives, if they could give an ear and a teeth to make her 10 years younger he most likely would
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:45 AM
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How can you however ask more for a product objectively worse less, SHE separated her sexuality from her partnerships, i DOUBT her partner did the same....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:23 AM
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I mean i've seen some miracle ones honestly, although since i look it up alot i have an attentive eye, jaw implants and harmonization are by far the most glow up worthy in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:40 AM
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Or just notice they pay more for less and just peace out, most just don't think the juice is worth squeeze, not angry with the juicers themselves, they just don't want to partake...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:25 AM
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Yeah out of all of these being short is like the biggest curse it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:24 AM
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I mean this is all fair talk, surprised i didn't get a ban hammer since we're still talking over the thread grave but anyway, I really do believe that some people who don't have a very strong defined self image, in like they aren't a static person, if they change opinions for example its not a big deal, but for some trying to change a core belief is a personal attack to who they are, I believe the formers do absolutely not care about playing this "chameleon" game, the latter might be serioisly h…
/r/seduction02/03/22 03:46 AM
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Do you believe that the average strawman can achieve that with just normal looksmaxxing or is surgery required to get that carnal attraction going if you're dead average? Or they can't cross the threshold where he can generate lust on the average women, thus should try instead to moneymaxx?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:39 AM
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I think point 3 is the most concise answer, fair enough i agree with, lying is tiresome for most, pretending and wearing masks all the time, but it is honestly much easier than having actual social skills, To the people that lying comes very easy it might be a more efficient idea than actually being interesting, you don't have to be awesome and have a cool life, as much as you have to convince said set that this is true, I do this myself for the lulz on the girls i don't actually want to be with…
/r/seduction02/03/22 03:10 AM
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You could looksmaxx and be a minimalist, chase short term hookups, not stress with the labour that mantaining a serious relationship is, I think that the "betabuxx" kind of guy won't have access to these types of other relationship options because he's always paying so some arrangements become inviable, like FWBs, ONS become scarce, you got what im trying to say? Also because what you suggesting is that said guys have no control over their sex lives, it is up to chance, for example, if a super a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:03 AM
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Fair enough, good riddance then...
/r/seduction02/03/22 02:39 AM
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Do you believe that most guys (the average strawman), can get that from looksmaxxing, or are most guys better off trying to betabuxx his way into bed, and just accept it will never be mutual?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:33 AM
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Is the best you can enough for the average person in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:31 AM
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The analogy is spot on, since i've also read the other post this one is better honestly And honestly, if you put it in context, its a recipe for breeding resentment between partners in the long run, Like for the girl it would harm her mental wellbeing knowing that her baggage of hot guys will never be removed, so even if she actually loves the new boyfriend its hard to prove hes not a downgrade, And for the guy he would always doubt if she actually likes him and changed or if he's being used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:29 AM
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Do you think most people can realistically strive for genuine attraction?, and is it even that much worse than negociated attraction to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:20 AM
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This was honestly crossposted, kind of, from 3 other subreddits, i was just trying to see if the seduction community thought about the topic, not denying game or anything, i originally made a poll but converted to texting because other subreddits didn't allow polls...
/r/seduction02/03/22 02:19 AM
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I meant more like well read, knowledgeable about stuff and the world, well if a girl was a total newbie in astrology i could very easily portray myself as an awesome specialist, scholar of such topic, and if she's "into" it but doesn't know anything for real, She could be seduced by this persona in the moment there, and if i just want to shove my dick in, that is enough sometimes, more relevant for night game honestly
/r/seduction02/03/22 02:16 AM
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Yeah, you actually made a better explanation of my thoughts than the OP itself, parasocial is pure cancer man, And it is so strange that some people today only have access to attention via a parasocial setting, and get left out of anything real and they can't do much themselves to change it, its bizarre
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:12 AM
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That feels honestly more like a twitch thing than onlyfans, maybe you could become an IRL streamer!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:08 AM
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I've seen a lot of guys believe a bunch of stupid lies, like guys dreaming of marrying his goddamn porn man, its a nuts world LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:07 AM
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Could you change the tag and reup it please, if possible at least....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:04 AM
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Far worse, you will live the rest of your life miserable and basically as if you're dead, you downplay how terrible depression is...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:03 AM
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So for example, if you want something short term, do you believe women are more eager to jump a not so rich hot guys bones, or to do hop into rich guys lambo and let him snort some cocaine from her ass? Exageration apart, what you think attracts women faster, looks or money, what about if a guy wants to find a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:54 AM
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Crackheads also seek crack, if they're addicted and you feed their addiction for profit its wrong, Idk man that is assuming their mental health is in check, some people do indeed lose control bud, preying on the weak is just wrong man
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:36 PM
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I mean some people can be crafty, like for example, if you 18 girl invite a friend for a few pics, who says her friend is 18 too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:34 PM
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What is unethical is purposefully targetting vulnerable people, onlyfans is but a tool for that, but it's not the cause or wrong in of itself because it's just porn in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:30 PM
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At max 17 honestly, if you obviously look underage someone is bound to report it and get you banned, at least i hope so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:29 PM
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The problem is not the onlyfans, the site AND the girls are legit, but spotting these sick guys and not ignoring this problem which is rampant, that i don't feel good about, like I've read about some twitch girls banning guys who were donating too much money because they were clearly sick and not fine, (more evident by the messages), some girls actually feel this is wrong too, but most just milk these guys dry and laugh about it, It's sad brah....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:27 PM
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3 fucking million man, dem people are insane LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:23 PM
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Depression is a dopamine addiction, of sorts, so if that gives them a sliver of a high, they can't deny it, Just as a crackhead lost his autonomy to say no to the drug, without help he will most likely die, while barely noticing it because they are so focused on crack, It's not saying these simps are addicted, they 100% are and most lost their autonomy to stop, they need help man!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:20 PM
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They would most likely find a different way to make an easy living if onlyfans didn't exist, Lazy/Unethical people will find a way somehow, onlyfans is but a tool, a catalyst for these people do what they would anyway but tenfold, My sad 2 cents but yeah... EDIT: Typo
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:17 PM
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They come in tandem most of the time but not correlated sure i agree with that!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:57 PM
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Well your opinion is not invalid because of that, thanks for sharing anyway!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:05 PM
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Dan bilzerain mainly sells weed and plays poker, his reputation isn't damaged that hard by being an asshole as much as a different field would, also started with daddy money i think, So he is in fact quite SJW/cancelling immune, and he's also not that ugly so i think even if he had normal cash he would get laid, the money is just an excuse that added to his appearance makes his attitude tolerable
/r/seduction01/03/22 08:54 PM
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All of them, what's your take and what these different objects could alter your answer, Like is looks as important to marriage as to hookups, i think not but what's your overall take?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:48 PM
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This guy should do an AMA, i would be down for it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:15 PM
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Short term could be hookups, FWBs, fuck buddies, not dating only.....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:44 PM
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Not anymore, no
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:42 PM
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Both long and short term?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:24 PM
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True, but well we all know how she got rich right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:21 PM
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I guess i might have read it, But dicaprio is an unfair example because they are both stupidly, if dicaprio had middle income and worked as a lawyer in some midrange law firm, i don't think that would've happened tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:07 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:53 PM
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Wrong, status beats all, like being affluent, famous, thugmaxxing, and obviously a beach ready fitness beats all, Girls here sure go for wallets, but they suck them dry ASAP and get back to who they actually want, sometimes these thug guys don't even care about his girl entertaining rich guys because they end up sharing the money with them, and obv these guys have more than one girl, Best explanation is just do the following, Google:Funk paulista top hits, Translate about 5 lyrics to english, Ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:46 PM
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Fair enough, best of luck brah!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:41 PM
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Makes sense, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:34 PM
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I mean even from older guys, if they convince these young girls they had a random setback, trigger emotions about it, and sell an inflated dream they are golden, I do pickup for the lulz sometimes, i might already have 10 different names, houses, exes i hate, weird boss names, random companies and places etc., Stating something confidently to these naive young girls and they believe everything, its bizzare, obv it won't work long term, but if i'm at a club, i'm whoever i want to be and it's fant…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:32 PM
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That replicates my experience as well, just have to sell the dream to these young girls,the amount of bullshit they believe is insane LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:27 PM
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That seems very dynamic, a good economy favors looks, a shit one favors money, who would have guessed...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:25 PM
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Is it more important that he looks rich, and you're seem with him around thus confering you some status, Or the actual gifts and pampering matter more than what others think of it basically
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:20 PM
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I can understand what you are saying, it seems it doesn't matter that much for the young crowd, max 23yo, since at that age most people still live with and are banked by mom and dad, so they can't make that choice so readily, It happens more when you get out of college, because now you're a bit older and should get the job your degree allows you to, So if you fail at that is more apparent, at least where i live (Brazil), most people only fully move out of home when they marry, its unrealistic fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:19 PM
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Bro sugar mama is the ultimate dream of every young lad right? Especially if its not that old, for example an 20yo with a 40yo, which can still be hot af if she's taken good care!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:14 PM
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Fair enough, it seems to be true, while surgery nowadays does some miracles, its not always the case so it makes sense, thanks for sharing brah?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:03 PM
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Fair enough, what you said last is something that clicked hard for me, Short term sugaring is much more common than long term if you look around, even attention whoring is basically a form of sugaring if you think about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:59 PM
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Or if she was pretty and all the above, they could take after her looks, win win anyway, For example, do you believe perception vs actual provision change in long term/short term situations? Or nay?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:57 PM
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Both, and why you think so would be appreciated, how old are you btw, i've noticed older guys saying money, younger ones saying looks
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:53 PM
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So fine for short term casual, not so much for long term?, better off finding a similar minded girl my age that acts older then?, anyway thanks for sharing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:51 PM
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Fair enough, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:47 PM
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Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:46 PM
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So you just let him tank/heal/keep you alive and you like start blasting? Idk FF that much (nothing), So anyway you just start blasting....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:43 PM
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What about long term vs short term?, I'm just asking for opinions mostly, not asking for strict/personal advice..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:40 PM
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So basically yes, thanks for sharing your opinion bro, best of luck with your ladies!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:36 PM
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Fair enough that is reasonable, best of luck!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:32 PM
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Do you think chad hobo would have a harder time getting a stable girlfriend or marriage in this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:31 PM
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What about if you target midrange, if a 5 guy looksmaxxes and targets 5 girls, is that better than being right and date across? I think the game for the top contenders is too different for most people to calibrate towards, at least i think so....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:28 PM
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So your opinion is looks first? Also millionaire is an exageration, think about good finances, the threshold i think is too individual from girl to girl, For example someone who makes 30k/year is a top 1%er where i live (Brazil) so millionaire is very relative, the average american is loaded if he comes here for vacations
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:26 PM
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Even if you consider surgery in the mix? Like a good facial harmonization can chad up someone real good, or that is not taken in consideration for you? If so, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:22 PM
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So some guys better off working and making bank because they can't breach the threshold? Got it...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:16 PM
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I mean people had pretty varied opinions, so it is not as set in stone as you make it look
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:15 PM
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If you aim for looksmatch, is this looksmaxxing the way?, both long and short term?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:05 PM
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So minimum requirements for looksmaxxing then focus on money? Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:04 PM
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What about status, like said stallion is a rockstar, or an actor?, do you think that counts for something? So just getting better looking would be your advice then?, do you believe that is rather universal advice or some guys will never make that cut?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:01 PM
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Actually yeah that's basically it honestly, but taking charge of the results in your life just sounds rational, So you analyse, compare, test, and decide what works best for you, "I want to get laid, what can i do to make so the best way available? Guess i will just wait for a miracle and chill..." The phrase above sounds as dumb as it actually is....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:59 PM
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I mean yes but maybe you think something not obvious, who knows...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:56 PM
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I mean just pump and dump, lie about commitment and get laid as a beta guy, seems to be the prime way, "Women wear makeup, men lie"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:55 PM
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Fair enough, best of luck man!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:53 PM
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For a personal example, i am 20, first semester college, but i vibe mostly with 25's+ almost closed an 29yo MD tourist 8/10 girl at the beach yesterday, i indeed thought she was younger but the conversation was just superior to "young thots" i usually chat up, My last therapist (now dead sadly) was a 70yo women, her husband was 50, never seen another example but they were very happy together, so idk
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:52 PM
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Yeah it is, trying so hard you consider cheating, and honestly i don't think it's amoral, If people like you better after surgery and you do too, everyone wins so no worries honestly...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:38 PM
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Fair enough, do you believe getting hotter is realistically for the average guy?, Like if he maxxes he can be hot to the average girl?, or he can't compete?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:35 PM
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Do you believe non chad can become more attractive, or he should target the women settling down? Also do you believe that signalling is enough for mr average to get casual, or he must commit, lie about commitment to get action?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:33 PM
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Well they don't need that, but a lot of them still want that, In spite of that, if you had neither looks neither cash, do you believe looksmaxxing is the way or chadhood is not achievable for non naturals, So if you're ugly would it be smarter to try and improve or just get rich and find a sugar baby basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:31 PM
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Do you believe that this is valid independent of a guys goal, from hookups to marriage? Do you believe it changes based on what one is looking for, or its rather universally status first?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:28 PM
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Fair enough, so if i said that it will appeal to a different demographic depending on choice, would you agree with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:26 PM
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Both, what you think about the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:25 PM
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I mean if i fail at least i did my best and tried, being at peace with the possibility is different from giving up...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:24 PM
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Do you believe that however, if a very ugly guy looksmaxxes to just ugly, the minimum status requirement would diminish, thus wielding a form of results anyways? Think like this, it will be expensive anyways, but any discounts are welcome even if small, Do you agree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:24 PM
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Dem jordan does drop the truth bombs right, i don't agree with him word by word but respect mr peterson a lot, although he contradicted himself recently, regarding stuff with mikhaila who's also awesome in her own, "A healthy body makes a base for a healthy mind" it seems, thanks for evidence brah, will remember your words...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:21 PM
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Understandable, it seems then that the attractive quality is the abundance mindset regarding money, its in the end the power? And for the getting older, then if you're older any said looks would fade quickly since you're closer to old age, What about dating younger men, like a good 7 years younger, any thoughts about that, im very young but i personally like some more mature looking women, but it has never been very mutual and i feel scared because reading them is harder, Like its harder to gues…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:19 PM
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What about tinder swindler kind of rich, signalling you're and pumping and dumping the golddiggers
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:13 PM
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Plastic maybe? What you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:09 PM
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The last part is spot on, safety is hot, not even just safety i would add, its like owning a big dog, if you told him to bite someones ass he would, just like if a girl wanted you to get rid of someone you could do it for her, Power trip basically but i felt that already, i used to date and im quite tall for my country, we were both nerds and skinny, but the short annoying incel guys stopped annoying her when i was around, in fact they just vanished, and i felt that every time i "scared off" a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:08 PM
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Not that much money man, if you skip plastic surgery its just doubling you meal expenses, and a gym membership, which is not that hard if you have an OK job, But you're not wrong, thanks for sharing anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:00 PM
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Fair enough, it seems that fitness generates a form of innate validation and happiness that later helps grinding for the career, its a good perspective i got!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:58 PM
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Do you believe then that looksmaxxing helped you in your career and getting the rest fixed, interesting perspective, Also for being 40, you have tried and true confirmation so it gives credit to your words, notes taken brah, keep up the good work man, cheers!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:57 PM
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Well you said yourself, looks come quicker than money so even if you start both, looks pay dividends faster, Well fair enough thanks for reply!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:54 PM
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I absolutely agree with everything you said personally, especially that neither should EVER be discarded, but indeed i agree that looks first, Its the paradox of being a good speaker, no one will care if you don't get a chance to be heard ever, So the looks open the doors, and the rest makes they stay open, absolutely on point bro, Thanks for taking time for such a good reply, GL in life fellow redditor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:52 PM
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Nice reply man, but well you basically said yourself, if you want women go looks first right?, I know you actually stopped wanting all the girls after you but, do you believe the girls now in your age range care more about you not being broke than before?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:49 PM
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So mr. neither should hit the gym first rather than the office basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:45 PM
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There are a bunch of levels of looksmaxx, i could go from skincare to plastic surgery, looksmaxxing is basically just tryhard selfcare and improving looks to reach your peak allowed by genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:45 PM
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Well i would ask where would you start but you're a girl, you're the choosing in this situation, not the seller, but i will ask anyway, If i guy had neither, where would you suggest he starts?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:43 PM
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Yeah what im asking is if you were neither, were would you choose to start, do you believe balance makes the game or one of the 2 carries more weight in your personal experience? Both is obv better, but where would you focus first?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:41 PM
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Salt daddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:39 PM
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You won some pro sport against him or you just mauled him down because he did something stupid, I've noticed fear is a strong aphrodisiac for women, when you threaten them and their well being, they might offer themselves to protect the ones they like, do you agree? By being weak or strong what's your cutting point, i mean brad pitt was quite lean in fight club, but is weak compared to peak arnold schwasneger
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:39 PM
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Do you think that women age matters more on this choice or the guys age? Old men need money, young ones need looks, Or older women like money, young girls want looks regardless of the guy age?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:35 PM
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You're a girl right? Good to have some perspective, what about long term vs short term?, Do you believe that some older women are actually attracted to rich looking men? Like they are not just using the rich guy, but actually feel attracted to his capacity of printing money, not exactly just the bank account? Age seems to influence opinion a lot by the replies, may i ask how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:33 PM
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Yeah man, look at tinder swindler, appearing rich is very easy LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:28 PM
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Good point, so if say, I have neither, eventually want to be both, would you rather start by looks or by money, Also how old are you, i've noticed this influences the answers a lot so i started asking
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:28 PM
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So signalling this stuff>actually being said stuff, Its more important to look rich than actually being rich? Appearing well spoken than actually being?
/r/seduction01/03/22 03:25 PM
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If you were chad millionaire, you would rather prefer to get robbed and become broke, or getting beaten up and getting disfigured, Its obviously rich chad is king, but its more being chad or being rich? Or you believe in balance?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:22 PM
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Do you believe that money signalling doesn't count then? You could just look rich, some girls like classy/sophisticated, not necessarily rich, You could be a broke ass desk worker but if you walk around with suits and briefcases all day you could look rich, Also short term vs long term, what's your take then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:20 PM
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Both, if you think it differs then i want to hear why too, btw from r/seduction crosspost, age seems big in determining this, How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:10 PM
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Im just a 20yo guy, but what you're actually saying is, that the kids are not a problem and won't be, the problem of dating single parents are the annoying kids, time constraints, and obviously making someone else parenting your kids, If you have the time, your kids are sweet, and you appear as not wanting someone to "parent my kids with me" but actually date you're golden, Single moms have it worse because an ill intentioned single mom can really fuck a guy up, i don't think you can fuck them t…
/r/seduction01/03/22 03:09 PM
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My first vote goes to looksmaxxing, because it basically is lowering the bar of minimum wealth effort any particular girl would require to show him attention, These are my 2 cents for now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:52 PM
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Well i think that what i tried to say is that i just wish i was not horny all the time, so horny that i put up with female bullshit just to get some sliver of pussy... But i will get checked anyway, could my unhappiness be just lack of testo? Im honestly trying to understand
/r/seduction01/03/22 11:08 AM
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Im not blaming the players im hating the game, Im angrier at my own testosterone not allowing me to quit playing, its not their fault, there are no culprits, most of these said phones and space stations are invented by the beta males, these guys are most often not attractive, And if you want to take the evolution arguments, remember that the standard for a LONG time was that most women were just taken by force, rape is extremely common among all species, and much more in the poly animals groups,…
/r/seduction28/02/22 11:00 PM
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Why would i need to improve if what i have is fine, im only 20yo, if you expect me to have my own place, career, stuff, etc., and some quality stuff at that, you're either in a different reality or just outstanding, most of my friends work with their parents for free or barely afford their fuel, And my only goal honestly is to pay for this stuff myself eventually, my life is very good, there is barely any improvement needing to be made, or changed, just mantained, Also the most annoying thing is…
/r/seduction28/02/22 04:35 PM
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Well the word is not intrinsically, but innately, she could be broke/annoying/short/basically blind, i would still want to bang her, While i am basically an human doing, what i am doesn't matter, only what i can be for her, that feels much more objectifying than plain looks
/r/seduction28/02/22 04:18 PM
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I am very fullfilled with my life already, i have the games i want to play, food i love to eat, live in a nice house (parents house tho but its nice), have a car, going to college that i can see myself working with in the future, Whoever i want to have quality sex sometimes, and having to be better than 90% to explore a basic human experience doesn't seem worth it, They are spoilt af from demandind so much while doing so little, if i was that successful i would refuse to date non-rich/gorgeous/n…
/r/seduction28/02/22 04:13 PM
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Bro you will eventually fall ill and "be broke", you WILL need others, eventually get old and need a nanny, i would do all of that if i was made sure i would receive it back if needed, That could even be her acting like she doesn't have any other options in spite of having, which you GF seems to do, banking on looks for long term partnership is just dumb, if she makes you feel like the one, then i give all green flags to her, but most don't, so i supposed she didn't either, Whatever best of luck…
/r/seduction28/02/22 04:07 PM
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I mean how can i spot anything else besides looks, and if i said i wasn't in it for the looks i would be lying and that is far worse honestly... And i don't understand how being valued for looks is this bad, it literally shows you value someone intrinsically, i would personally love to have a girl into me just for looks, i would feel hot af honestly
/r/seduction28/02/22 01:45 PM
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Again she simply chooses to accept your offer as a partner, if she wakes up and decides she doesn't want you, there is not much you can do, which makes her incredibly unreliable, if you fall ill one day, get broke, something happens you can't lift anymore, i would be very inclined to not trust her help, Ans if you can't trust someone to pick after you if you fail, i deem the relationship as in dating worthless, because otherwise you only get sex out of it and its not worth the commitment
/r/seduction28/02/22 01:42 PM
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Fame/status, and honestly i find that if i relied on status to get laid, she's not into me, she's into bragging rights, and that USUALLY leads to bad sex, because much like a hooker, she wants to do the deed ASAP so she can go right back to bragging about it
/r/seduction28/02/22 03:12 AM
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What i mean is that if you try to compete with her options you just lose, Supose a breakup, she's more likely to score equal or better, and you to downgrade, just by SMV standards, and even to put pressure on you as you said yourself, You can't ever relax or she may decide to exercise options, if she relapses a bit, that might not allow you to bluff that hard, She's a human being, and you seem to be an human doing, if you stop doing, you vanish in SMV, her not so much, These are some assumptions…
/r/seduction28/02/22 02:55 AM
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That seems geared more towards dating and not exactly just getting some NSA sex, i don't want a girlfriend, just some sex, quality sex honestly, and well just enjoy the female body with a cool person, And a good career seems a weird topic for no strings attached, why would allow a girl to care about a career if you are not going to be official with her, she won't benefit from that, i'm not saying being broke, but being employed in a stable job is the max i tolerate a girl asking me for, If we wa…
/r/seduction28/02/22 02:50 AM
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I mean even henry cavill is a huge warhammer nerd, but that is not why he is attractive, he's just pretty af, he's even noticeably still nervous around girls and seems he can't really make any of his relationships work, he's attractive that is it You are however absolutely right, and when i say it's not worth working on yourself to get girls, it's because you should only work on yourself for own good, i work out alot because i fucking like it, personal trainer and shit, but i won't start eating …
/r/seduction28/02/22 02:44 AM
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Do you believe that she is so much more beautiful than a common attractive girl that she looks alien?, i dont believe so, yeah they get those DMs mostly because she's out there, and many models do some paid work behind their careers, and honestly i would say that 10% of girls in my college are more attractive than some models, most of that hotness are angles and filters, i have a cousin who is a model, and she looks just plain without filters and good angles, Also you are DATING a 9-10/10 this i…
/r/seduction28/02/22 01:12 AM
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30 pounds is a lot, no easy feat to win that quickly, not an excuse since i've been training for years and now seeing a nutricionist to help me win some weight, However, being just pretty is no excuse to be that selective, example, i can be a fun guy, its fair to expect a funny GF, not a pretty one, im not ugly, so expecting her to not be ugly is fair, she being pretty and expecting me to be funny/rich/hot/tall/sociable, while also carrying interactions on my back, yeah thanks lady you suck I wa…
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:47 AM
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Yeah what you are suggesting its called social circle game, its powerful and reliable, but its strong for dating, and prolonged FWBs, the hard part are the breakups, because it WILL affect the entire friend group, And if you want to cycle through multiple women, or just do FWB, ONS, fuck buddies, or just fuck around, i would argue against it if thats what you want, for that cold approaching and even some degree of warm is good, So you can ISOLATE your plates, so if you fuck up with becky, stacy …
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:16 AM
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I actually don't, my hobbies are a little women averse, i like guns, strategy video games, wargaming, playing cards, not exactly female friendly hobbies, amd most come with boyfriends, and are usually fugly, So i basically have a life apart when sarging, go to clubs i don't enjoy the music, i go to college for a career that is good but im not passionate about, i don't hate anything, but i don't like any either, And the girls where i like i don't feel attracted to, super cool people, nice friends…
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:03 AM
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I mean doesn't trading interest for sex make she much more of a whore?, like i just state that im open to it and make advances and take no's and sometimes just chill, the fact that i don't care if she is up or not has been a big pillar of my frame honestly, including while dating in the past
/r/seduction27/02/22 11:33 PM
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I mean lets be honest, it really is about looks sometimes, im trying to up my looks too which is fair, i really don't find it that bad mentality honestly "You're attractive, wanted to give you a shot and say hi" as been my killer opener, it is friendly and makes my intentions obvious, and yeah i do get shot down, but that's fine she doesn't want NSA fun with me its her choice, What im after is just more of a fuckbuddy and less of a friends with benefits, i don't mind friendship but it's not nece…
/r/seduction27/02/22 11:27 PM
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I agree with you 100%, i believe its possible, and had my good chances honestly, don't believe im an ugly fuck either, im normal, and 175cm is above average in brazil, by 5cm exactly so its noticeable, i've got some stuff going for me My problems are mainly that im a nerd/metalhead, don't like the common (football, funk, drugs) interests, and after covid and getting out of HS became a shut in, was dating an average girl i really liked who approached me first, What im saying that i don't think im…
/r/seduction27/02/22 11:18 PM
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Most girls here hookup inside their social groups, but these are quite close and niched, also girls are proactive here, they invite the hot guys to parties and such, and dismiss the not so hot ones basically, In other words when they are interested they might not initiate, but make it really obvious and easy, really easy actually, After all brazil has its reputation of being sexually liberal for good reason
/r/seduction27/02/22 11:08 PM
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Yeah the going to talk with them is not hard, Its hard not being nervous, i don't break down shaking or anything, but its obvious im not comfortable moving things forward, even when im direct, Like i don't feel very comfortable doing kino without IOIs, touching someone without some form of consent is just weird, And most interactions with hot girls end up either without starting, or in a friendly manner, the rude ones get me the most, i don't take no's personally, i however take "fuck off" much …
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:59 PM
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This weight i have its because i've trained for 1.5 years with a personal trainer already, it was much worse before, when i say im fit, i'm saying doing 50 abdominals, about 40 pushups too, 1.2 times body weight in the pushups too, i'm getting great results already, But according to you it seems to not matter and that's fair, but like im not up to get super ripped for some pussy, doesn't seem worth it tbh, Dem girls are really spoiled nowadays huh?
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:50 PM
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Honestly if the "just have an awesome career, life, hobbies, social circle, body, and personality, so you can get some attractive pussy", yeah thats a fucking steep price just to bust a nut right?
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:45 PM
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I bet its much more because you're just much richer and social proof, build is only a thing if youre jacked, girls dont really notice 3kg of extra fat if you dont point it out, What i was trying to say is that its not a major problem, but sure its not a plus either, my bones are rather small, like my pulses are thin, and gaining weight has been a painful war, i was much skinnier in the past, its getting better
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:43 PM
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Bro, like my life is fine already, i just want some pussy sometimes, quality one to vary a little bit, Your comment is rude af, dismissing someones complains is very uncaring and diminishes his problems, pointless comment honestly
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:37 PM
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Basically negging 101, what i mean by 9-10 is personal definition, in like i would really like to bang, not the ones i wouldnt mind be sucking my dick, the thing is, mosy girls i can pull i find unremarkable and thus not exactly exciting....
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:17 PM
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Least dramatic is saying little LOL, most subs are hyperdramatic on this topic LOL
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:14 PM
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What i usually did was become friends with every girl and make it clear that i bang my friends, which in other words, means that all friendships have benefits, so if she says no it won't matter we are still friends and i will try again another time,
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:12 PM
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I always try to approach the ones im attracted to, i can't bother to approach 90% of the girls i see because i have some standards still, i can pull the fatties but regret it afterwards, mainly because those fatties actually approach me or clearly invite me to approach, Also when i get an IOI it becomes VERY EASY, my anxiety honestly vanishes, going caveman worked in clubs sometimes but since i don't have my own place its hard to actually pull, Honestly, do you think a 6/10 guy can looksmax to t…
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:07 PM
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175 is average male height, tall for women, im skinny but i got an almost 6 pack, but im very thin and my arms are very muscular but thin (even starter showing some veins the buff guys have), i got 8% BF more than half my weight in muscle, i can link some pics later if you want... About cold approaching, i really want to avoid strings attached, no mutual friends and shit, if i then dump her it could be a big mess afterwards and i want to avoid that, so social circle game seems an odd choice idk …
/r/seduction27/02/22 03:20 PM
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Doing that already, but in the meanwhile should i just forget about it and remain celibate? Not against it, but being celibate sucks, should i just pay in the meanwhile? Already in a 1 year dry spell, its killing me LOL
/r/seduction27/02/22 03:08 PM
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Yes i know its a hard goal, but how should i go about it with scoring an attractive girl be the goal? I've come with this goal because im dumpster diving averse, I really can't pretend for long that im attracted to some fatties i don't really like, especially if it's alot of work LOL, i only approach who i actually find attractive, because otherwise it seems a waste of time.....
/r/seduction27/02/22 03:06 PM
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I believe she decided to cheat long before you two met, if it was a different guy it would hardly matter, What im saying is that you didn't make her cheat, you just facilitated that and was an enabler.
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