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You open with a false time constraint? So out of the blue you say to her "I've got to leave in a couple of minutes...". Huh? Open direct is all I can suggest. Let her know your real interest immediately. Seduce her with your eyes and your intent and the clarity that you are a strong man who leads with your balls. If she blows you out she blows you out. I have little clue why a woman would find what you described as remotely interesting or attractive, myself. Maybe that's just me. I find women re…
/r/seduction20/08/19 07:38 PM
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I'd suggest if you have any interest (and you did)...open direct. She sits down, you open with "hello, you are looking awesome today!" with a big cheeky smile and direct eye contact. And go from there. A "what time is it?" opener is, IMO, worse than worthless in general, and particularly in this situation. My $0.02, ymmv.
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:33 PM
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Well done. Step 2...as soon as you can, advance your open from a polite "I want to be friendly" open to a deep eye lock open with a direct compliment, effectively giving her the clear signal "you are attractive and I'd love to love to light your fire sometime soonest". When you get engagement...try during the ensuing convo to slip in some kino. Gently but quickly escalate. Then when you ask for contact info, there's clarity about what her providing implies. As opposed to vagueness. With this gir…
/r/seduction04/06/19 01:58 AM
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Well, if it's a same day lay, yes by definition. Otherwise...yes still. The London Daygame System goal is sex within 2-3 dates, max. A lot of kissing early that doesn't lead fairly quickly to sex has a tendency to lead to some buyers remorse and a fail. I know. That's why I say kissing early is overrated...unless it's not early because you score right away. That's what I'm trying to say.
/r/seduction04/06/19 01:37 AM
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Wrong and wrong. Executing "pick up" (which is no more that effectively talking to women) isn't creepy at all. Most women respond positively, and some say outright that you made their day. Sometimes you might even really make their day. Not learning pick up means you almost certainly don't approach, and there's nothing creepy about that. Creepy are the attempts to "learn" or "practice" or "overcome AA" that involve doing shit like just asking a woman for her #. Or saying "nice shoes, wanna fuck?…
/r/seduction31/05/19 07:09 PM
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Most women never get opened. It's a shock, and sometimes very much appreciated. I exit opens that extend into longer conversations (mini-insta-dates) almost ALWAYS with a hug, which I initiate but which the woman always responds to. And some women are huggers and think every social interaction should end with a hug. So yea, it's reasonably normal as I see it. Maybe a tad unusual given how short your interaction with her was, but that's all. You might have gone for instant escalation there (takes…
/r/seduction31/05/19 06:19 PM
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Come on ErectToe!!! Put your balls in front and instead of asking for directions just say "you are looking great today!" with a wide smile and eyes deep on hers. It's NOT HARD!!! Make a goal of doing that 5 times TODAY, and break through your own resistance to opening direct. It is the ONLY way to succeed man. It screams CONFIDENCE, which is critical, while asking for directions screams "I'm a fearful beta male". And it informs the woman instantly what you are interested in. You can do it, JUST …
/r/seduction31/05/19 06:05 PM
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at the bar? crap place to meet women in my opinion. have their bitch shields up, tons of competition, you are being judged from the instant you walk in, etc. etc. day game is superior for meeting/dating women. surprise 'em on the street with solid eye contact and a direct compliment, stack with something that gets her talking, and away you go. maybe insta-date or # close with good potential for follow-up. and the best thing? she's not gonna throw up on you, or turn around an instantly forget you…
/r/seduction31/05/19 05:59 PM
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I'm always a bit amazed by these posts. What, you want someone to write a book for you? Go study the "pick up" arts, there's boat loads of material. I'm a fan (active user) of Torero's "london daygame system" myself, check out the intro youtube videos, and he's got material to keep you busy and NOT out on the street working your skills for weeks. Which is not what you want to do. Learn a little...and go REALLY learn a lot by trying to apply it. Confidence is king. Approach confidently, above all…
/r/seduction31/05/19 05:49 PM
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Well, there's a lot to be said for leading with your balls and being confident. But being a jerk leads to problems. You have to calibrate. Your "never been rejected" gives you away completely however as a fraud. That's like a baseball player saying they get a hit every single time they go to bat. Absurd. But nice try.
/r/seduction31/05/19 05:40 PM
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Let the relationship stuff come later, if that's where you want to take it. Showing her the required attention to get her to bed is "affection", too. If by affection you mean buying her gifts and taking her out on expensive dates and spending time walking on the beach, well...I'd suggest you let her boyfriend do that for her, while you service her physical needs. But if you want to be a provider too...start providing. She will over time lose her SEXUAL attraction to you, because that's how it wo…
/r/seduction31/05/19 02:35 PM
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My balls hurt an awful lot more if I pass a fine woman who "should be" an easy open and just...keep...going. Noooooo!!!! Go flip the stone! My next BIG sticking point is doing the exact same with a hot woman who is NOT an "easy open". The obviously local gal in completely casual clothes walking her dog, for example. Muuuuuuch more challenging for me. I need to practice "congruent" openers/stacking comments for that situation. So far I've focused much more on what usually turn out to be tourists …
/r/seduction31/05/19 02:29 PM
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Forget about "Showing her affection", that's the wrong model. What you are trying to do is communicate to her (without directly saying it) that you want to fuck her, and you are trying to get her wet in the crotch as she becomes aware of that. You want to make HER sexually attracted to YOU. Open direct with a compliment, use deep piercing eye to eye contact as you do so (and throughout), use kino through every means possible. Get close to her (to say something softly, ideally with your breath ri…
/r/seduction30/05/19 08:10 PM
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Keep approaching!!!! Doing it build confidence, confidence leads to success. Deeply assess each "fail". Rejections are your customers telling you your product isn't quite right yet. Use the information to adjust your product (yourself, your approach and style etc.). You don't say anything about how you are opening. Perhaps you are rushing to a # close after far too short an interaction? Perhaps your # close is incongruous with the interaction up to that point. Open direct, stack, vibe, LISTEN FO…
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:57 PM
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Tom's "london daygame system" is only robotic if you use it robotically. You have to make it your own, but as a general system...I find it works. And yes your opener needs to congruous with her and her looks, and your stacking statement needs to be the same. And congruous with who you are too. He teaches some robotic stuff to get people to "get it" re: the structure, but that's just (for me anyway) the jumping off point for adapting it as as structure and filling it in with your own appropriate …
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:48 PM
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I'm going to give you "male advice", which may or may not be accurate here. You say you are in fact dying for intimacy with him. And you say you have experiences of men getting sex and then quickly stopping communication with you. You might want to assess your qualities overall. Most men when they get sex are interested in more. Even players are interested in having a harem. So why are these men dropping you after one round of sex? If I have sex with a high quality woman (high quality of persona…
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:34 PM
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Sounds like she perceives that you are now chasing her. Not good. Never text at a pace faster than her; ideally a bit slower. Focus texting only on arranging get together's, as much as possible (don't be her 'text friend'). And in general...don't try to see her more than 1x/week. Any more than that and "it's a relationship", and worse, if you continue it, the love thing will naturally start kicking in after 4-8 weeks of that. Let her chase you more in general. You are being too needy and she doe…
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:23 PM
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Be clear in your initial interaction what you are interested in. Open direct, use strong continuous eye contact. Throw in sexual spikes during the initial interaction. Use kino. Touching leads to sex, period. Escalate by touching more; find "reasons" (excuses) for more touching (high fives, taps on her shoulder to accentuate a point, palm reading, back rub because she's tense, role play that she's your girlfriend and put your arm around her, etc.). Push/pull: when speaking on some things, move i…
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:19 PM
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Best to "slowly build up" to it...over the course of 5-10 minutes of talking, after an initial compliment open which, in combination with "tiger eyes" on hers, tells her in no uncertain terms that you are interested in her in a sexual "man to woman" kind of way (vs. a choad asking for directions, gag). If the interaction looks like it may "go long", then the best thing to do is "insta-date" by executing a venue change, which can be a simple as moving away 20 yards to a comfortable seating spot. …
/r/seduction30/05/19 06:45 PM
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Women who are rather short are (in my experience and opinion) quite happy to have someone only a little taller than them. And are often less comfortable with a giant towering over them. So you can consider yourself "superior" for a large subset of the women out there, vs. the very tall men.
/r/seduction30/05/19 06:22 PM
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Dude...forget about asking for directions. Either open direct, or open casual, but DO NOT open as a wandering choad. Direct is BEST: tell her she looks great/awesome/sweet/fantastic/sexy/hot/beautiful/nice whatever you want and are comfortable with and "seems appropriate". Or, sometimes, open casual. This may be more appropriate when you end up randomly next to a woman, say in a grocery store line, and opening direct might be a bit incongruous. Open casual when you catch some eye contact with a …
/r/seduction30/05/19 05:32 PM
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If that's what you need to do. But my basic response is...wtf? Why? Why not just open the 20 women the RIGHT way, so you are practicing real skills, with confidence and expectation that you'll score some actual numbers, maybe even find a yes girl to instadate, all of which may lead to sex or whatever outcome you are looking for re: opening a woman in the first place? If the point is to "get over rejection", well, you'll have plenty if you are actually trying to open for real with an aim of real …
/r/seduction30/05/19 12:54 AM
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No first day sex, I'm a relative beginner. And I'm 60, lol! Zen mind, beginner's mind. Pulled a 20 y.o. into 10 week relationship last fall, when that ended decided I need to actually become skilled instead of only succeeding through virtual random chance. Just passed a very nice looking solo woman perhaps late 20's or early 30's in the park, very colorful print dress, I think some color in her hair. Zipped by 30 yards on my bike...and reversed, came around beside her (but separated by a strip o…
/r/seduction30/05/19 12:41 AM
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No, but when not drunk, her inhibitions get in the way. Your job is to enable her when NOT drunk to get by/through those inhibitions, and open to her inner desire to fuck. Drunk women very very often get "sexual", because inside they are ragingly sexual...they just can't/don't let it out. Until intoxicated.
/r/seduction29/05/19 08:07 PM
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"She had such an amazing ass that I'll remember for some time tho. " Hilarious. Can't tell you how many times I've had that thought...and yet I've pretty much forget them all. One hot ass is very like another...until you see the next one, which you will swear is the sexiest thing ever viewed by man. My suggestions: open more direct, don't wuss out with things like "I like to play sports" or "I like your hair". The opening compliment is ideally a general compliment of her. "You are looking awesom…
/r/seduction29/05/19 07:56 PM
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Sucks at 25? Lol!!! Try 60.
/r/seduction29/05/19 07:13 PM
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just as men get addicted to Rosy Their Palm and can't cum without it, women get addicted to however they get off several times a week. And for most these days it's the trusty vib. So they'll often enjoy you doing all that work...but to get over the top, they have to enter "their space" physically and mentally which includes that humming and the deep sensation it brings. As long you fuck her properly, having her finish herself like this works just fine in my experience (though yea, getting her to…
/r/seduction24/05/19 06:06 PM
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They aren't rejecting YOU. They are rejecting your approach. Feedback...learn...improve!
/r/seduction24/05/19 05:51 PM
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Confidence is King, and acting with confidence breeds confidence. Build on it!
/r/seduction24/05/19 02:48 AM
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except if it's all people from the same company and you say "you are all super cute", you just might get a visit from HR in the afternoon. So if that was the case I'd say STFU, and don't dirty your own dogfood bowl. just scan those little hotties and enjoy the eye candy. Maybe a dirty smile at one as you laser beam your desire to fuck right into her brain through her eyes. But saying something like that in work environment...risky, IMO.
/r/seduction22/05/19 03:10 PM
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"Don't complain about anything." That's huge. TY.
/r/MarriedRedPill22/05/19 03:04 PM
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Thanks for the pointers. That's what I was looking for. Consumed a bunch of new material. Reviewed the details of levels of dread. I've got my own largely independent life and interests (as does she), been that way for decades. I've worked hard on improving myself physically over the last 6 months (daily pumping and other more subtle things). I've learned to game and am active just about every day. No fuck closes but significant dates and my wife is plenty aware of my state in this regard, inclu…
/r/askTRP22/05/19 02:35 PM
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Couldn't agree more. With the Polish gal, I knew 5 minutes in she was leaving that night, so it was "insta-date" time. We made a small venue change to lock her in a bit more and spent 30+ minutes together which from my perspective was "date #1". Someday she'll be back...and now I'm on her list of people to get in touch with for fun and games! But yea, usually I try to # close somewhere around minute 7-10. On the bike, the full stop is pretty much impossible. Maybe if I pull up further ahead and …
/r/seduction22/05/19 02:00 PM
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I wasn't referring to what I "generated" back in the 2003-2010 period (when I was indeed a "serial cheater"). I was referring to the last 2 weeks, after we discussed my clear intention to get sex, my new found skills I'm developing with women, and implicitly, the choice before her. She also knows I'm not/haven't been doing any outside sex now or for a pretty long time (5 years now?). So yea, I think it is dread, now, frankly. I've told her and I've demonstrated that I'm a man on the move, no mor…
/r/TheRedPill21/05/19 08:11 PM
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Stacking virtually instantly is KEY, particularly if the woman is on the move and for whatever reason, you are physically in front of her barring her progress. I often approach from the side on my bike (on the street) while they are walking on the sidewalk. Can't really get in front of them. I stop them with "excuse me, can I just say one thing?" They turn and stop and say "yea, okay". I deliver my compliment. They say "oh thank you!" and instantly turn and keep on walking! Gotta virtually insta…
/r/seduction21/05/19 08:00 PM
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she thought so too, she replied with "you are a sweet joker!"
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:39 PM
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Some shit tests are best handled by just ignoring them. This might be one of them.
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:38 PM
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Knock on her door. When she answers, smile and tell her she's really cute, while looking directly into her eyes. Then ask her if she'd like to come out for a walk. If she says no, tease her a little, "oh come on, I won't bite" or whatever feels right to you. There's also (in the face of a continued "no") the simple "you're breaking my heart! come on, let's just go out for a little fun". Try to engage her and give her some joy from the interaction. Once you get her out, try to KINO, maybe back of…
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:37 PM
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I struggle with this one myself. I'm often at a spot where local women who have just done some shopping up the street are walking by. They are dressed 100% casual, and there's nothing (obvious) to riff off of re: their look. So using the london daygame system, what's the follow up to a direct compliment, and how should it all flow? Best I can come up with is to riff off of the casual dress itself, or her state, or in my case the shopping. "You're looking fine today!....You look very chill and li…
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:04 PM
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I asked a Chinese tourist I'd just met if she was 21 (in regard to taking her out to some clubs). I got back the "I'm 31, you always think Asian women are so young!". I teased her that she couldn't be a day over 23. Later, when I first texted her, I said "you are very cute and a liar, but I like you anyway". I was not yet certain the # was good, or that she'd engage via text vs. just blow me off. I got back "why am I a liar? lol" Perfect, my push/pull tease got her. "Trying to present yourself a…
/r/seduction13/05/19 02:22 PM
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Well we had an awesome evening at a blues club dancing, then a walk up to Coit tower for the views, then a little dessert at a NB cafe...but no fuck close, the airbnb she was in was just a room in a home holding two parent and two kids, so banging in there at 1 am just wasn't going to happen. I've got some seriously thinking/planning to do to figure out how to handle my venue problem. Maybe a van......... She said she had three big surprises on her trip to SF: seeing the Monet water lilies exhib…
/r/seduction12/05/19 05:27 PM
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Dude, walk a mile in my shoes before rushing to judgement. You know virtually zero about my life and situation. To say "it's complicated" would be a vast understatement. I'll just mention the tippy tippy top of the complexity of the iceberg: officially, we are in an open marriage. Of course it's never quite that simple but...'nuff said here.
/r/seduction12/05/19 05:16 PM
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Have location to pick her up, have 31 y.o. hottie ready for a last night out on her vacation in SF...peace out brothers and sisters! the seduction thing starts to sing for me. my only issue is venue: I can't bring her to my house (wife arrives home about midnight or 1am). So she has to be willing to do the nasty at what appears to be an airbnb. I already have multiple reasons lined up for when I drop her off at the end of the evening why I need to come in an see it....
/r/seduction11/05/19 03:19 AM
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Keep up the flirty touching. Escalate that; find ways, find reasons, let the touches linger. Fuck her often with your eyes (through hers); eye-eye contact is predatory, and the only predatory happening is sexual, and she'll know that instantly when you hold her gaze for more than 3 seconds. Touching and soul gazing leads to sex for humans. It's about that simple. No, don't do anything as stupid as to ask her if it's a "date", lol!! Just assume it's on. And remember, if you get a "no" it means "n…
/r/seduction10/05/19 06:54 PM
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Because there is a strong social code that says men should not be the pursuers unless invited by a woman. I've heard this expressed on FB in the extreme as "it's inappropriate for a man to EVER talk to a woman he doesn't already know". Yes, that nazi. Women at some level know they are subject to "predation" by sexual men. And this taboo is their way of trying to systematically protect themselves: make it socially taboo for men to open and "run attraction" is you will (I don't want to try to spli…
/r/seduction10/05/19 06:34 PM
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You need to create a cover reason for her for why you need to come to her place. That gives her plausible deniability as to what's going to happen. Even something as silly as "I have a headache, do you have any tylenol or aspirin at your place?". Line up 3-4 different possible reasons like this that might fit or work ahead of time, and be ready to lay one out at the right time. The more direct they are ("let's go have a drink at your place") the more she can't tell herself it's not about going t…
/r/seduction10/05/19 05:33 PM
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I'm going to remember that line, TY!
/r/TheRedPill10/05/19 05:01 PM
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On the other hand...by the time they are 35 or 40, they've may be going crazy for dick, because they've long since lost interest in their un-interested BF/husband (who are too busy jerking off to videos of 20 year olds to bother with the same-o woman in the same-o way, and/or because they just aren't "sexually attractive" to the woman anymore after becoming a compliant provider), and have been "good girls" and not enabled themselves to score on the side. Yet. And at this age they don't get offer…
/r/seduction10/05/19 04:59 PM
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So much for "hobbies being attractive". Entertaining, amusing...but attraction has nothing to do with that in the end.
/r/seduction10/05/19 04:29 PM
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"But I thought she had some potential"? So you actually WANT A RELATIONSHIP, right? But then you told her all you wanted was to get back to your fuckboy roots. I'm confused about what the real issue is here, YOU wanting a relationship, or HER hinting that maybe she want's a relationship (and you don't). All I can say is, sounds like you've got yourself a just about perfect situation from the perspective of most hanging around in a "seduction" community. I will say this though: if you see her mor…
/r/seduction09/05/19 03:26 PM
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Everything I've learned about pickup recently has been from free youtube videos by Torero, and I think they are excellent. Did I mention they are free? Sure, he'll try to sell you other shit, but you don't need it. (You may feel guilty for getting so much free value you want to send him something though!). What you need is to APPLY HIS TECHNIQUES in the field. Period. Save your money re: these "programs". My $0.02 (and you can send yours to me if you end up saving the $35 or $120 or whatever all…
/r/seduction09/05/19 03:07 PM
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WTF? Sorry, but "having a hobby" is completely immaterial to seduction. If you need to bullshit that you have interesting hobbies...do it. If you really have an interesting hobby, share it at the right time to help demonstrate value. The #1 powerful seduction "Technique" is confidence. Not "having a hobby". That's just silly.
/r/seduction09/05/19 03:03 PM
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Try to get close to her. Try to give a little kino. Give her deep, soul searching eye contact. And tell her (don't ask) to give you her # so you can plan a get together with her. Forget about "boyfriend". That's her business, and if it precludes hooking up with you, she'll let you know one way or another. Make it her choice. She would appear to want the choice, right? As for "she'd be cheating on her bf", well, maybe she wants to upgrade; doesn't she have the right? Maybe her provider bf cant' g…
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:54 PM
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From what I can gather, the hard core daygamer's don't bother with groups. They strictly target the solo woman. Period. Focus and win.
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:40 PM
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Dude, she's probably a guy and it's all a con. It's extremely common in the online dating world. They try to create a "relationship" by text and then after you are "attached" to her, they hit you up for some financial support. I've found several such creatures on ashley madison in the past, and I'm aware of that kind of scamming on the "translation apps", in fact some view those as pure scam from a-z. Get outta there is all I can say.
/r/seduction08/05/19 07:13 PM
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summed up: fuck her quickly and move on. I'll add, if she's good sex, don't see her more than 1x per week for certain, and see if you can make her a regular booty call. She's stop talking about the ex the moment her mouth is full.
/r/seduction08/05/19 05:13 PM
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Communication technology has a significant role here. The ability to stay in contact, and to plan, all in "private", is huuuuuge as an enabler for casual/illicit sex. Think about what you had to do in 1887, for example. Or even in 1975.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/19 04:38 PM
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You can only get HepC from direct contact with her blood. I had Hep-C for years, lots of unprotected sex, no transference to anyone (but you SHOULD use protection, "just in case"). Oral sex and vaginal sex are extremely unlikely to transfer HEP-C. With protection, your chances of infection are extremely, extremely small, virtually zero. In all other regards re: your post...I dunno.
/r/seduction07/05/19 02:42 AM
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So she says "I'm annoyed we aren't making out" and you say "what do you mean?" Well, I've made worse mistakes. But that's a big one.
/r/seduction06/05/19 04:09 PM
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You need to interact with a woman a bit more, build some attraction and interest, before asking for the #. Otherwise, the # is highly likely to be a dead end (fake # or she's just going to ignore your texts). She's "met" you for what, one minute, and had zero real interaction with you (helping you "professionally" doesn't count)? Insufficient. Anywhere from 3-10 minutes of converation is needed to lay the groundwork for a possible "date" (a # close which when pinged she MIGHT respond to). A sexu…
/r/seduction06/05/19 03:55 PM
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Yoga studios.
/r/seduction02/05/19 05:43 PM
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No, you are not the most attractive person in the room, by definition. Looks are only a small part of the "attraction equation". You'd better learn the other parts and start displaying them.
/r/seduction02/05/19 05:42 PM
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Rejections are: - critical customer feedback for you. Highly valuable information! Analyze what went down, and how to adjust appropriately. - a rejection of your APPROACH. Not of you. She doesn't know you.
/r/seduction01/05/19 08:16 PM
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Put her in a position where she has to give you a clear sign. For example, stand close, deep eye contact, hold her hand, ask "did you have a good time", and if she holds it face-face, in you go dog. Ideally, do a lot of kino during/throughout the date to warm her up, and even more ideally...get that kiss in during the date. Then the goodbye can perhaps be a bit more adventurous.
/r/seduction01/05/19 07:56 PM
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Don't wallow in it, we've all been there and honestly...at times we'll all be there again no matter how hard we strive to be ready and be on it. When you wallow in it, you aren't ready the next time, which sometimes is literally 60 seconds after the last fail. 'Cuz there are hotties around every corner when you least expect them. It's a crazy thing but...practicing your open in private isn't a bad thing. Get comfortable with saying that particular stuff. Just envisage the various types of women …
/r/seduction01/05/19 07:49 PM
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"tiger eyes" simply means staring DIRECTLY into her eyes (if you have to, focus on the bridge of her nose) for an extended period of time. Tens of seconds anyway. She'll look away. Stay on her so when she returns her gaze...there you are still, "hunting" her. Like a tiger fixates on its prey before it pounces.
/r/seduction01/05/19 07:09 PM
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To help break through the AA you might try starting with hit and runs, where you just give a direct compliment (with a smile and direct eye contact but no real effort to actually stop her if she's moving) with no real intention of following it up, thus relieving all the "what am I going to say?" anxiety. Only something like "you are looking wonderful today!" (or whatever feels comfortable to you, just don't compliment her clothes with "I love that dress!. No. Compliment HER.) After you run sever…
/r/seduction01/05/19 07:06 PM
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instead of just asking them to dance, "game them" a little. interact with her verbally, tease, push/pull, do a little kino, try to build some attraction, THEN ask her to dance. Just an idea...
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:45 PM
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it's great advice for being an average frustrated chump. if that's what you are after. if you want to be a player/seducer, sorry, we aren't born that way and in general we don't get educated that way, and we have little to no skills that way. So...you have to NOT "be yourself", you have to CHANGE yourself and IMPROVE yourself and your skill set. My $0.02, anyway.
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:41 PM
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Can be valuable. But in and of themselves, these hold next to zero "attraction" for women. Most men have a place to live, and the large majority have jobs...and 98% of them have no clue and little seduction skill ("attractiveness"). Simple choads. If those were the ultimate secret, few men would be challenged in securing sexual attention, would they?
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:39 PM
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New to gaming and 6 approaches led to 2 hooks ups? You are a natural or very very lucky. Congrats. I'm going to say "don't expect that ratio to continue" but hey, who am I to say that?! Keep doing what you are doing, it's obviously working hugely.
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:32 PM
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Sounds like you are far down the slippery slope of "commitment" in some form. And it also sounds like commitment is really what you want (vs. being a player for life, or at least, "for now"). ​ Every relationship is a trade off. No woman is perfect. A woman with all the positives you cite it EXTREMELY hard to find. That said, only you can weigh the pro's/con's. I'm sure there's lots of men around who'd love to alleviate her pain for a bit if/when you dump her, and more than a few who'd consider …
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:27 PM
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8 in two semesters is excellent my friend. The average # of lays with different women for ALL MEN is (wait for it)....seven. In a lifetime. For top daygame players gaming 2 pts above them, 8 lays w/different women average out to 412 opens, which yes, takes some serious time and effort to execute! Sounds like you have your shit very well together, congrats and I appreciate the share.
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:16 PM
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For younger women, in my experience, no. They don't have the maturity to be able to deal with an ongoing "just friends" relationship after boning or really any kind of sexual interaction. Once it gets to some kind of sexual play, if they decide "no more", then it's almost always "I won't and can't ever see you again". Been there/done that recently. Older women with more experience and maturity, maybe.
/r/seduction01/05/19 06:03 PM
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Generally, yes. Move slow and see if she stays open to it. If/when you get the reject, don't assume it's no "forever". Try again in 20 minutes and see. By then, she may very well be more accommodating. If you are sure for whatever reason you are going to get a reject, but you want to "move things forward" (or reset the frame), than ask instead of just making a physical move. Resetting the frame this way is usually part of a longer term play for the woman vs. "I'm going to be kissing her tonight"…
/r/seduction01/05/19 05:56 PM
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The best medication for AA is to approach regularly and consistently, and use the feedback/results to improve your methods. I also find watching successful infields is helpful, "yea, yea, it's that easy, yea!!". Cannabis (which I use a lot) can have the problem of putting me too much "in my head" and lowers my real-time conversation abilities. Also, approaching with seriously redded out eyes isn't preferable, since giving her tiger eyes is part of successful opening. "Oh, this guy is stoned out …
/r/seduction01/05/19 05:51 PM
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The number #1 interpretation (and correct interpretation 95% of the time) by a woman of "tiger eyes" is that the man is sexually interested in her. And she immediately feels that. It's the look of "being hunted", and women know that at a primal level. What happens to her then can vary a lot, but starting to feel sexual arousal is not uncommon, if the man is in any way attractive to her. I tiger-eyed a temp receptionist at my dentist the other day and pleasantly chatted her up. I'm certain the ey…
/r/seduction01/05/19 05:39 PM
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A "mini-venue change". How about "hey, let go over there and check it out" or "come with me to this other room for a minute" or "let's go over there an sit down for a minute" or whatever. You can even say to the group "I'll bring her right back!". If you've got attraction going from the woman, you should be able to lead her away typically.
/r/seduction01/05/19 04:50 PM
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Doing it lowers AA. Success lowers AA. Try opening those who've given ZERO signals (maybe they haven't even seen you when you approach). Keep pushing your comfort zone!
/r/seduction01/05/19 04:46 PM
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of course there is. and probably 90% of the LDS material is valuable/appropriate. But club game has unique attributes. The women expect to be approached, and hence have more bitch shields up. They almost always have their own wings (cock blockers). And there's competition everywhere. It is a radically different situation than trying to score the number of the temp dental office receptionist who is showing a ton of tit and rather hot and giving you IoI's, right? (LOL, happened to me just the othe…
/r/seduction01/05/19 02:03 PM
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Torero's claim is 1/33 on average for a top gamer working only women 2 pts higher than themselves. These are people who've opened thousands, huge work/practice levels, etc. ​ If you are 7 and are opening 7''s and you have 500 opens of experience what are your numbers going to be? I dunno. What I think is important is blowing away that marketing myth of "you can get any woman" (no you can't) and "you can get most women" (no, you can't). Just as sales people create LOTS of leads and only a few end…
/r/seduction01/05/19 01:58 PM
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There's a boatload of material around on that subject. Most generally, a "hey guys, what's going on?" with a friendly smile is the kind of thing that works, if its a social environment (like in or outside a club). Or you can pull any number of opening tricks, but the more you go down that path, the more you come off as a clown in my opinion. I.e., "hey let me get your opinion about this, is a girl more like to do this or that blah blah blah". I think that's cheeseball, but some people swear by t…
/r/seduction01/05/19 12:07 AM
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Height is a huge factor in who women choose to connect with and fuck. Huge, #1 or #2 most important trait I believe (facial symmetry is probably #1, but most pass muster there). That said, a short height is not an excuse in general, because there are always more than enough women of similar or shorter height, and to some degree lack of height can be offset by other strengths as well. So it matters a lot in any given situation if a woman is substantially taller or you are being dominated by tall …
/r/seduction01/05/19 12:01 AM
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No, just suggesting that a solo woman is a bit easier to open and more likely to reach a # close, that's all. When you are opening a lot of groups, a wing can be hugely valuable, to come in after a minute or two (always acknowledge him as he comes in and then intro him to the group), and allow you to isolate your target while he entertains the rest.
/r/seduction30/04/19 11:29 PM
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You have to be "group social". Good at "opening groups". Be the fun guy who "checks in" with different groups. After you've done 2-3, you should have significant social validation and every group will want you to join them too. Or so the theory says... The key phrase at a particular point is "so how do you all know each other?", as a means of trying to figure out which (if any) of the women are there without a formal date/partner. Pick a target, then run your game on her.
/r/seduction30/04/19 07:57 PM
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Congratulations on the breakthrough! And a # close right out of the chute, that's awesome. Study, execute, learn, improve. We are all on the path to pickup heaven! Lol!!!
/r/seduction30/04/19 07:14 PM
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I'm 5'8". If I was in that type of situation, I'd move on. I'd go look for the 5'8" or smaller woman somewhere around, who isn't fawning over some giant with a thyroid issue (just kidding...). Seriously, that situation is just stacked against you. Give it up is my best advice. Unless you are verbal entertainment master and he's a dork. Then...maybe.
/r/seduction30/04/19 07:00 PM
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I'd say you are moving a little too slow, and not leading with your balls. Once you start spending ANY time with her alone, gently escalate via some touching (find reasons!), tease her, throw in some sexual spikes (verbal comments that are effectively "you are hot and I like it" messages), make sure you get her contact info, and ask her out within a few days, max.
/r/seduction30/04/19 05:26 PM
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Before the hook point, you need to "keep trying" (keep talking, in general) to try to get her to hook. Once she's hooked...you can lower the energy a bit and "just converse", so yes, rapport, push/pull, some teashing, maybe some sexual spikes, but you don't have to work so hard to get her "interested". She is interested.
/r/seduction30/04/19 05:21 PM
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I don't get this. You scored. I'd say, wait a week or so and see if you can enjoy her company again. And so on. What's the sudden "I've got to see her every day or two" crap? No!!! Whatever you want (FWB or "relationship"), I don't think that's the way. And then prowling around her place at midnight, suddenly you are like some crazy stalker. Just chill, is my $0.02.
/r/seduction30/04/19 04:47 PM
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I'd say your approach is just coming off as "weird" so you are getting quick rejects. Remember, the rejects are INFORMING YOU about the quality of your approach (they are rejecting your approach, not you; they don't know you). So change up that approach style. Don't ask questions: make observations and assumptions about her, and get her talking about herself. Vibe and tease off whatever she says. Listen carefully for a question (any question) back from her; that's the "hook point" where you know…
/r/seduction30/04/19 04:08 PM
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Focus your use of text to arrange dates. Period. Text back and forth at her pace (and maybe just a little slower). Yes, you should be focused on getting together with her. Torero vidoes on text game, highly recommended (youtube).
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:43 PM
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Nice work! The first step of a million mile journey is always the hardest. A couple of points: focus on opening women who are ALONE. It's very, very much harder to open and be successful with a woman in any kind of a group, for the simple reason that she's "busy" with them, and there's social pressure from her friends or family being right there listening. Second: don't just ask for a date right out of the chute! Compliment, stack, vibe, ground, invest, close. Study the london daygame material o…
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:33 PM
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I'm sure you are capable of being a successful NFL quarterback, too. Point being: you have NO GAME until you are out in the field and working on it. And then over time being successful (which means, maybe 1/50 women you approach you'll end up in the end zone with). Only you can answer the question, "how do I find time?". The meta-level answer is obvious: you make it a priority in your life. What you have to give up is up to you. Also NOTE: you can game ALL THE TIME in your daily life, because we…
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:27 PM
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There's really only ONE ideal topic. HER. A woman's favorite subject, always. For daygame at least, the concept is open with a compliment, but NOT of her stuff/clothes, of HER. Then an observation or assumption (not a question! the question "am I right?" is implied) about HER (her nature, her interests, her profession, her country of origin, whatever). Get her to respond about herself...and then vibe and tease off that. Yes, it' can't be scripted. But it CAN and does have a logical structure tha…
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:17 PM
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Except the london daygame system is for DAY GAME (knock knock, right in the title?). To what degree that approach can/does work in bar/club situations...don't know. I'm sure most elements apply, and it's very much worth learning and practicing...in day game situations at the very least. Sure to help with night game. But it's not night game focused.
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:14 PM
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I'm not a fan at all of asking if she's single. Because I really don't care (but perhaps you do). I'm in the "let her make her choice" camp, and just present the opportunity to her. Also, perhaps a better way to close is NOT to ask her out...but instead say "I'd like to take you out sometime, you seem like a lot of fun, let me get your number and we'll make a plan" or something like that. All the comments about avoiding workplace relationships are accurate. I will say...if it's a BIG company, an…
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:00 PM
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Focus your texting on arranging your next get together. Try the tom torero videos on youtube on text game (just search youtube for "torero text" and you find several). Good stuff, from a working pro.
/r/seduction30/04/19 02:54 PM
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You over come it by doing it over and over. The "easy" way to start is to do "hit and runs", where you simply say to a woman "in passing", "hey, you are looking great today!" or whatever along those lines feels natural and comfortable for you, with a big smile while looking straight into her eyes, and keep going. Next step: say the same thing and follow it up with an observation or assumption about her, and try to initiate a conversation after the initial compliment (which sets the frame of "I a…
/r/seduction30/04/19 02:32 PM
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Anywhere/everywhere. A few places might be more loaded on a highly routine basis: the local yoga studio in a just after-work class, for example. Chock full of 20-30 y.o., many quite hot, and just about all showing it off. The grassy area at your local park where folks come to sunbathe in hot weather. The grocery store, the cafe, the museum, on the street down town...not quite as dense with "attractive" but still plenty.
/r/seduction29/04/19 06:36 PM
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Forget dating apps. Make yourself attractive. It's a life's work. Work out/pump iron, eat well, have interesting things you do for fun. Dress appropriately for looking appealing based on wherever you are going. Don't be afraid to stand out a bit; women LIKE the man who stands out. Color...don't be bland like the 95% of men are. And...go out and be social, become comfortable interacting with women in all kinds of situations. Lastly...best to learn how to open a woman directly (in a clear "man -> …
/r/seduction29/04/19 06:31 PM
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Forget tindr. ​ Life cold approach rejection, simple: she doesn't KNOW YOU, so she's not rejecting YOU. She's rejecting your approach. It's critical, vital feedback for you to learn and improve from. It's a gift. Always leave after rejection on an upbeat note with her too; that's important to not create "approach fear" in women in general, and it leaves you in the right mood about it and set up for the next try. As simple as "awesome, thanks!", because hey, she just gave you some valuable inform…
/r/seduction29/04/19 06:02 PM
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Stop all flirting with her. Game outside of work and your social circles is the best advice. Relationships inside of work are fraught with peril.
/r/seduction29/04/19 05:58 PM
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not me (your title question). Might work...1/1000 times? Maybe? I don't recommend it as a strategy. Yes, be yourself. And transform yourself into the that guy who is really good with women...and be yourself!. Comfortable opening casually indirect, comfortable opening casually direct, comfortable vibing and teasing, pushing and pulling, great body language, great eye contact, giving them fun, making the feel different things, and then wanting to spend more time with cool "you". It's not hard and …
/r/seduction29/04/19 05:42 PM
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I'd recommend the Torero video (youtube, free) on shit tests. Great material there on the types and how to handle them.
/r/seduction29/04/19 04:21 PM
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I was one of those at age 41 or so. You seduce him no differently than you seduce any man. Show him attention, sexually tease him, and give strong indications that you are available for sex. I won't engage in moral judgements about it. If you want him, you have the right to try. He has the right to know he's wanted, and make his own mature decision about it, is how I see it.
/r/seduction29/04/19 03:25 PM
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the ED meds have radically changed male society. Because now, all ages of men can fuck. I'm 60, and while I can easily get it up if I haven't popped my nut in a few days, staying hard for a good 30-60 minute fuck session...tough. And going soft after 3 minutes in her is Sad beyond conception, and just not acceptable. Not a problem with a tiny bit of ED drug (I bite off a small chunk of a 100 mg viaga tablet, which I get from overseas pharmacies for about $1.8 per pill, so it's literally about 50…
/r/seduction29/04/19 03:21 PM
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Nope. Just do it. Practice the "speaking" part in private, daily. Build up your base of (flexible) material. Be confident and practice in your delivery. Learn from the actual openings you execute, and remember: YOU are not being rejected. Your approach is being rejected. Learn from it and improve it. Best of luck!
/r/seduction29/04/19 03:13 PM
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So really what you want to do is be a tease. Flaunt yourself a little, get some attention and interest, let it build up some sexual tension, then stop it before it goes anywhere. Obviously, that is playing with fire, a bit. Sure you won't frequently decide "fuck it, let's find out how skilled his tongue is..."? The essence of your issue is the pathetic state of men in our society. A very hot early 30's woman looking sexy who doesn't get approached. Sad!!! This is why I always say "just approachi…
/r/seduction29/04/19 03:09 PM
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She sound perfectly normal to me. I'm married, my wife is interested in banging me, and I LOVE "sexual attention" from other women. Always have, always will. Many women tell the same way. It's not abnormal per se. We are polygamous animals, and our needs are broad and diverse.
/r/seduction29/04/19 03:01 PM
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As for the "other employees can hear", just make the initial compliment in a very low volume, more conspiratorial and "close up" manner. Be discrete, you don't want her to feel embarrassed.
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:55 PM
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Direct approach (so she knows what's up): "you look fantastic". Then some observation about her/her clothes whatever and an assumption, for example, "I notice you are always very well dressed, you seem to have a great sense of style". Vibe on whatever she says, maybe tease a little, then "I know you are busy and I've go to go, but I'd like to take you out some time, let me get your number and we'll make plan, okay?" while slipping her your phone ready for # entry. Simple. Best of luck.
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:53 PM
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5'8". I don't bother to approach women that are several inches taller, I just figure mother nature decided for me that they aren't really available to me. So the field is cut by what, perhaps 1/4? Still plenty of women available. That's my attitude and approach. Asian women are often very short and are appealing (to me) for this reason. My last successful pull was on a 5'0" Chinese gal. Little me towered over her. So it's ALL RELATIVE. But yes, women who are a few inches taller than you are far …
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:31 PM
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No. It means she wants to take advantage of the situation to rub herself on men. Sometimes in a crowded dance floor they rub their ass against your crotch while dancing with some other guy; it doesn't mean the want to fuck you are dance with you, you are just an available crotch and she's feelin' it. My $0.02, every situation is different I suppose.
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:23 PM
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Your belief is limiting. You are correct it "hardly" leads to anything substantial. On the other hand, not approaching guarantees a zero success rate. Do you really watch the men walking by women to see if they are giving them smiles? Some are, often, and you should be too. And when you get that return smile, approach! If you see a woman walk by who never even saw you, but your bells are going off...zip around in front of her and approach! A smile however isn't "making a move". 98% of men will m…
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:19 PM
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Didn't watch. Women around town will always exist, and always be approachable. It's that simple. Where they will be may evolve; so what? Their receptivity is highly variable always. The entire premise of "inevitable death" strikes me as silly, myself.
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:10 PM
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You probably are interrupting. What I notice when I watch Tom Torero infields is how QUICK his entire opening->close process with a woman is. Just a couple of minutes, and he's saying "look, you've got to go, I've got to go, how about I get your number and we can go out?". He doesn't try to grind out 7-10 minutes of interaction. I will say his 2-4 minutes is packed with vibing/teasing/story telling etc. In general, the more they look busy, and/or give you indications of "gotta go", best to keep …
/r/seduction29/04/19 02:05 PM
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Yea, Tom recommends and demo's the "full stop" where you "surprise" her by wheeling in front. Many of my situations are where I'm loitering on the sidewalk and the women is approaching and has almost certainly seen me, in which case for sure, jumping directly in front will appear aggressive. A side-wise move requesting attention of some type seems right. I have to work on it.
/r/seduction28/04/19 04:45 PM
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You get in front of them and start talking, generally. ​ And/or, clearly request/indicate that you want their attention. But the tried and true method is just get right in front of their path. Torero video's demonstrate this in field very well.
/r/seduction27/04/19 05:11 PM
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In this case, it didn't work out. That said, I personally don't buy "if there is a bf in any capacity stay clear". It's her choice to play ball or not, and it's okay to present it to her. I find that sometimes the attitude of "if there's a bf you should disengage out of respect" to be a cover for an attitude that a bf holds chattel rights over a woman. No. And many women with a bf are looking to upgrade on a long term basis, or cheat/upgrade/get some value on a short term basis.
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:51 PM
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Yes. Tell her you've been really busy but things have settled down and you'd like to hang with her. Simple.
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:18 PM
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Sorry but the great San Jose area is loaded with women. Sure, your company may be mostly men, but go to a grocery store at 2pm, What do you see? Go to a cafe, what do you see? Etc. That excuse is pure (excuse). So if getting women is not difficult, what's the problem here? I'm missing something. All I can figure is that out of the several million women in your area, you don't think any are good enough for you. Or you just can't locate those 10-20 that are, or something. I'd say get real, get mov…
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:55 PM
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You are right, dealing with humans isn't like solving a math problem. ​ It's far, far more difficult than that! No you don't have to do ANYTHING any unique way. Just try to wing it. Maybe you insta-succeed. If not, you have to start moving down the feedback/learning path. Maybe you could get down that path a little faster by knowing some of the common issues/solutions that you rattle off in your list.
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:48 PM
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My perspective on this is a little different from the others I've read. If you are CLEAR and CONSISTENT with her that you are NOT SERIOUS, then it's her choice whether to continue to sex you or not. Lots of women are good with that (some prefer it). Some aren't. That's all, as I see it. If you are leading her on, obviously that's just conning and not right.
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:44 PM
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Sorry, but your "advice" here amounts to "just be the pro athlete!". No. To be the pro athlete, you have to go through the education and the repetitive practice and study and feedback etc etc that leads to pro athletic skill and ability to execute "without thinking". Same thing for game. Period.
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:05 PM
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A couple of thoughts. First, a woman that isn't solo is extremely difficult to game to a # close. At least the close itself usually needs to be "private" (more on that in a moment). Second, a typical quality interaction with a woman that leads to a successful # close (or other connection info) is 5-10 minutes. Unless you are "insta-date", i.e. intentionally go somewhere else, to talk or do something etc. In which case, you are instantly moving into date-game, and that's a big other subject I won…
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:03 PM
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I don't have any answer. I don't club/bar game. Too competitive an environment, too noisy, bitch shields up, who wants to deal with all that? Not me, and maybe not you. I have a meta-level recommendation though: switch to day game. ZERO competition (except against yourself). After 100 approaches you won't care about rejects anymore and your skill will be increasing rapidly and you'll be having a great time. And the reflection back to yourself of yourself off the women will drive you to improve e…
/r/seduction26/04/19 05:22 PM
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"Hi, you're really cute..." "What I noticed about you is the <something>, that makes me think you are probably <something>." All with a bright smile and directly looking into her eyes. Good luck. Example somethings: wild color of your shoes, you are probably very creative. You have to be johnny on to spot to observe her and come up with those appropriate somethings. Doesn't matter if your assumption is WRONG, you just want to get her talking about herself.
/r/seduction26/04/19 05:03 PM
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You are in the seduction reddit here, not the dating reddit. The answers are going to be biased towards how to seduce, not "how to date". That said, STUDY SEDUCTION. Tons of materials, I like Torero's on youtube, there are many others. Practice and get comfortable opening women, chatting up women, complimenting women (cold), etcetata. As for all your inexperience, FAKE IT until you make it. No one needs to know you are "inexperienced", and sharing/leading with that is unattractive, so just prete…
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:57 PM
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While it's easier to say than do... ​ Divorce yourself from the RESULTS. Commit to the PROCESS. And throw out all the fear of rejection, because she is NOT REJECTING YOU when it happens. She is REJECTING YOUR APPROACH METHODOLOGY. And at the very worst, you've just been given EXCELLENT DATA that you must process and use to improve. ​ Best of luck!
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:51 PM
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Nice. Always pleasant to randomly connect, and when that happens, kind of by definition it's effortless. It's a whole different thing to NOT randomly connect though, i.e. she's "over there" or moving and you move in and do a cold open. A whoooooole different thing. You'll quickly find that "effortless" is not how it's described, not at all.
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:44 PM
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The key to breaking through approach hesitancy is to APPROACH. One way to break down the barriers is to execute "hit and runs", where you open with a direct compliment with no real intention to follow up (vastly easing the pressure). You start to get comfortable with doing so. Enabling you to take the next step: direct open and stack with a comment about what you observe about her, and try to work forward into a conversation, hook her (she asks YOU a question), etc. The more I open direct...the …
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:37 PM
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In a HOT TUB? What size hot tubs do you frequent??? The one's I'm used to, if I'm "beckoning her over", it's to sit on me, because we are already pretty much right next to each other, lol!! Somehow "hot tub game" seems pretty highly specialized and more than a little uncommon. Usually when I'm in a hot tub with a woman, I already know her really well. Though I do have a friend who met a gal in a hot tub at a house party and they've been lovers now for years (she is married, a Thai gal who did th…
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:33 PM
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Here's an idea: think about the WHOLE PERSON, with looks only 1/3 of the "total value". When they are HB8+, just assume the other 2/3'rd suck, and in total, she's only a 5. The relax and have fun with her just as you would with a visual looks only 5-6 that your are comfortable with.
/r/seduction26/04/19 03:15 PM
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Not that simple. It's a function of how the woman feels about the approach, and that can and usually is dominated by what is said in combination with body language, not looks (unless someone is painfully ugly, which increases the risk of "perception of creepiness" about what they say and their body language). I like the view that says a rejection is a rejection of your APPROACH, not you, because the woman doesn't know you from jack. So don't worry about rejection...but LEARN FROM IT to improve.
/r/seduction26/04/19 03:00 PM
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Thank you brother. Not much of one yet but on the path. It's not at all hard really to seriously love one...and seriously still want and need to chase, driven by insane desire for every hot female that crosses your path. I know. Love doesn't do a damn thing to limit desire for new females (for myself, and I can only assume I'm "typical"). Maybe for some men they able to turn it off or something, but nowhere close, never, for me. Been hot for girls/women since I was about 10, and it's never stopp…
/r/seduction25/04/19 06:11 PM
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I don't buy those numbers. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. An AVERAGE person in their mid 20's is having sex over 100 times a year? Bogus. Maybe they include masturbation as "sex", or the population they sampled already has strong skew, or something. But those #"s sound way to high "on average" to me.
/r/seduction25/04/19 05:16 PM
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You are deluded. There are about 4 billion fish in the ocean. She's just another one. And she's said "no", and now you've sealed that decision for her with your behavior. Get a therapist and get on a track to a healthy emotional life. Quickly. Too much fun to be had with any other decision and action. Don't blow it. Think about all the incredible things you have vs. so many people who are destitute, in jail, crippled, you name it. Count your blessing and use them to be a positive, energetic, emo…
/r/seduction25/04/19 05:05 PM
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Nothing wrong with her theoretically being your own child (as long as she's not!). I dated a woman (20) who could have theoretically been my grandchild. If she's legal and she wants to play...hey hey boo-boo!! ​ 24-20 is "the same age", or close enough. ​ OP: if you want to avoid "getting serious", date her and learn/practice "not getting serious". #1 rule: don't see her more than 1x/week! #2 rule: the moment she starts to send "serious" signals, tell her "I'm very sorry if maybe you want to be …
/r/seduction25/04/19 05:01 PM
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The only condolence I have for you is "we've all been there". I've had too many similar (but different) episodes in my life I desperately wish I could do over...and properly score when the goal line in hindsight was so obviously "right there!". It's all about mind set and staying focused on goal in the moment. Obviously, she wanted to fuck you in her hotel, or at least some part of her mind was there (whether she would in the end, maybe maybe not). The easy response would have been "yea, let's g…
/r/seduction25/04/19 04:11 PM
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She was giving you a shit pile of IoI's. The creepy statement was her way of telling you you weren't creepy, it was another IoI: you were having a pleasant man-woman conversation. Creepy in high school/college is REALLY creepy. You needed to # close, "hey you seem really nice, let's get together sometime, give me your number and I'll text you and maybe we can go out". As simple as that. With her, virtually guaranteed she's giving it to you. Well done...except for the fail at the end. I'm sure yo…
/r/seduction25/04/19 03:59 PM
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Try to use text only to arrange a "get together" (8th grade, let's not call it a "date"). Use your f-f time to communicate in all kinds of ways your interest. KINO KINO KINO, learn for example how to "palm read" as an awesome way to get some touch going. Maybe learn some "deep tissue massage" and tell her you need a little practice. Touch is the critical key to escalation. As for the girl who is hard to hold a conversation with...well, maybe she's not so special after all. Fun and flirty and abl…
/r/seduction25/04/19 03:44 PM
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Mind set, confidence, practice. "Being ready" generally. Yes, you'll have an infinite number of "why didnt' I?" moments. I do anyway. You have use them like a knife sharpener to get you into that "ready willing and able" state you have to be in, "right now" when she suddenly shows up. I often have found myself in my head "why didn't I?" about a woman a block behind me, and suddenly there's another one! And I'm "not ready" because I'm weirdly in my head. The mind set while challenging has to be a…
/r/seduction25/04/19 03:26 PM
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The lesson here is KNOW YOURSELF and what you want. You (perhaps) backed into a monogamous relationship situation when it wasn't really your goal. Did you want that, did you intend it? Yes, it's restricting. Committed players would never let that happen. Since many women will want/expect that particularly if you see her more than 1x/week, you've got to manage it. By NOT seeing her more than 1x/week (or else the "love" emotions starts kicking in, for both of you), and sending her the "I'm sorry I…
/r/seduction25/04/19 03:15 PM
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Word.
/r/seduction25/04/19 02:05 PM
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So you have no problem taking to anyone now. Are you actively gaming and having success? Or despite all your progress...are you still not approaching with sexual intent?
/r/seduction24/04/19 07:43 PM
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This. Next level down is through your body language, your eye contact, and your fine verbal delivery of quality content that takes her on an emotional journey, at the end of which she is thinking "wow, this is fun, I like talking with this guy...". Sure, you may not be able to game HB8+. But I have to believe with work and effort and a heck of a lot of field experience and feedback and learning you can game 4-6's for sure. At the end of the night, it's probably pretty dark and WTF cares at that …
/r/seduction24/04/19 07:40 PM
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For day game (not club/bar game): "you're looking awesome today!". Or any of 1000 different variations of this.
/r/seduction24/04/19 05:32 PM
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I don't particularly recommend bar/club game. Day game instead. Bar/club game has the issue that every woman there has their bitch shields up, and have a mindset of "waiting for the awesome guy". Day game is completely different. You are approaching women who have no expectation of being approached, complimented, and chatted up. Start working on your skills and get in the field and do the work. It's very hard work, don't have any fantasies that you will suddenly have lots of women. Just as you w…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:56 PM
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From what I can tell you have no IOI's from her at all yet. So you are nowhere here except fantasy-land. If you want to pursue, do it simply and directly to expedite. At some point when alone, just say "hey I find you really attractive". Then immediately say something else about her (stack), for example "you are so bright and so confident", or whatever, it can be virtually anything, but importantly something to soften the direct compliment and something for her to respond to. And see what happen…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:52 PM
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I don't think this is much more difficult than standing in front of him, bite your lip a little and squirm and say "the truth is...I'm really horney". Then look into his eyes, then move closer to him. I suspect you'll be fucking within 30 minutes. Sure, men like the chase. They also like sex. Just offer it if you want it. My $0.02. You could even be more direct. Just say "you know, I'm really kind of horny right now" while coming close and gently rubbing his crotch. Boom, problem solved. If he d…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:46 PM
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The best PUA's are scoring with perhaps 1/35 women they approach. Some instantly reject, some reject after 10 minutes of talking, some reject by giving a fake #, some reject by not really responding to text, some reject during/after the first date, etcetera. Point is, THE FALLOUT RATE IS HIGH. And happens throughout the process. If you are failing consistently after 100 dates, there's a problem. If you are failing after 7 dates...the only problem is you are still in your infancy as a hustler and…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:37 PM
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If you don't recognize the signs, how do you know they "gravitate towards you"? No one is going to give you a class here. Do the work. Tons of materials available. I like torero's (youtube) myself. London daygame system. Learn it, practice it. After 1000 opens you'll be getting good. All women at some level want to be seduced. They want attention, they want a man to spark them. That's why/how a direct opener is so powerful: even if they think "oh my god I can't believe this ugly weirdo just told…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:31 PM
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Lack of height is a bitch. Focusing on shorter women isn't a bad strategic element to add to your game plan. The good news is, you have consistent value to get as far as you are getting. Now you just need to figure out how to get your opportunities "further down the funnel" to sex. Are you afraid to be clear in your sexual interest early on? If they are friend zoning you quickly, then dating you as "a friend", I would expect this is part of the problem. Yes, you'll get rejected more quickly, mor…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:24 PM
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I'm 60, 5'8", and I cold approach, and I'm not wasting my time. Having a great time in fact. Having value is important. Your list of ways to achieve value is interesting. Add about 500 more lines to it and it'll perhaps be close to accurate.
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:58 PM
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I don't get it. If they don't ever look at you, they have no clue where you are looking, so they can't really be thinking "he's a creep". Humans are hunters. Our eyes are face forward. Being eyed is to be preyed upon. When we males humans eye a woman, we are "targetting" her sexually, and she knows it. It's not creepy, it's a key part of the mating dance. It's only "creepy" for women who themselves don't feel sufficient self worth or have issues that require them to define it as creepy to suppor…
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:48 PM
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At age 60...not much!! Engaged a rather large, "not really pretty" woman in the park the other day. But staaaaaaacked. And I was attracted, and I'd have been happy to have her suck my dick. I definitely got attraction from her. But sadly she had her late teens daughter and friends with her (they probably gave her shit later about "that guy you were with") running around not far away.
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:33 PM
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Sounds risky to me. Could be viewed (even if she is legally an adult) as "improper" because of work/power relationships. Game outside of all social/work circles, is the best advice.
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:30 PM
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You should be physically escalating throughout. Touch stimulate and leads to sex. Find all kinds of ways and reasons to touch her. Romantic beach? Take her hand! Come behind her close holding both her hands and move your body to hers. Find a chance to kiss her hand or her arm, then perhaps a little kiss on the neck. Away you go.
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:26 PM
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Sure, it's a possibility. But I'd tend to say it's a long shot. You should work to develop an abundance, and not focus so much on one long shot. And again, if you actually HAVE an abundance, that will make you more attractive to her (and all).
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:18 PM
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Interesting. I have certainly generated "serious dread" in my wife. And yes, she "hates it". It hasn't yet led to her sucking my dick multiple times a week, though. Shes says she is extremely stressed, "wakes up every morning thinking about it", and even now has some heart arrythmia (which may be stress related, or may be completely independent, difficult/impossible to know). The short back story: married at 22, mostly sexless marriage by late 30's, I fucked around hugely through my 40's (70+ di…
/r/TheRedPill24/04/19 03:07 PM
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"It's easy when you know how!"
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:06 AM
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Minor tendencies? Absurd, the figures are in the 30-60% range depending on specifics and "how you measure". A truly monogamous species would be <5%. Your argument is simply that we "should" be monogamous. By simple observable fact...we are not, in any fundamental way. Some are/can be (it's the norm with "civilization" and the advent of property), but it is bucking the human norm, which is to fuck around.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/19 03:58 AM
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I gamed/dated a 20 y.o. Chinese gal in the Fall. I'm 60 (was 59 then, as if that matters). We shared (contrary to all the recommendations here) all of our sexual history and behaviors for the most part. She described EXACTLY this as how she masturbated: she would READ (in Chinese) romantic/sexual materials while she rubbed her legs together to cum. Knowing this is how women are wired is golden. It can be as simple as telling them some romantic/sexual story to get them pulsing those thigh muscles…
/r/TheRedPill23/04/19 07:36 PM
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Human psychology was shaped by 200,000 years of hunter/gatherer society, and all the evidence indicates that humans were definitely NOT monogamous at all during that period, and that for these 10,000 years of civilization (1/20th of the time of h/g'ing society) we remain fundamentally polygamous, as clearly evidence by the very high rate of "cheating" among "monogamous" coupled humans. We display none of the traits of the truly monogamous animals that mate once, for life, and that's it. Our peni…
/r/TheRedPill23/04/19 07:12 PM
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The number of reasons a woman would give for why they blow you out is infinite. The reasons why some are definitely impossible from the get go is infinite too. Here's 3: - sworn to herself to stay virgin until married - is too afraid/insecure to actually make any real connection with a "stranger" - thinks you are ugly or at least "not attractive" per her personal tastes - thinks you are far too old for her (or, far too young) - thinks you are a jerk for even approaching her Can some of these be …
/r/seduction23/04/19 06:29 PM
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Your underlying premise is right on: the corporate masters who pretty much own and run this place definitely want us fat (paying them too much for crap food), dumb (not questioning why/how the power structure is what it is), and satiated (just jerk to porn, eat the McBurger, and binge on GoT and it's gore and nudity; we'll take care of the real women in the world for you). Note the two key benefits for the corporate masters: they take our money in return for really weak value, and they reduce th…
/r/seduction23/04/19 05:43 PM
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Being secure and confident is critical. But there is more. Being FACILE in your conversation, in your ability in 5-10 minutes to give her a little emotional journey that leaves her WANTING MORE. That is spitting good game. It starts to develop after you've worked your ass off with over 1000 opens, and after each one you've reviewed what happened, broke it down, identified weaknesesses/failures, and worked hard to improve/correct. And behind all that, you'd better have some real value and real at…
/r/seduction23/04/19 05:22 PM
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I don't think your barbarship is "where you eat", that refers to where you make your coin. If you make the approach casual and low key and she rejects, will YOU still be comfortable going there, maybe even having HER cut your hair again? Only you can say. If the barbershop is more important to you than the opportunity and you would be uncomfortable if you failed, pass on it. "It's your call." But there's nothing wrong in this situation with giving it a try, in my view.
/r/seduction23/04/19 05:05 PM
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Anyone who tells you you can "get any girl" is full of crap and is not a gamer. Or is a gamer and is lying to you to hustle you for some coin ("one magic trick that will make her drop her pants every time!"). Don't waste your money. The only people with can "get any girl" is someone with extreme intrinsic value, i.e. a known rock star or movie star or big name politician perhaps. For mere mortals, the simple reality is that MOST WOMEN WILL NOT FUCK YOU. Get over it. And those who won't, a signif…
/r/seduction23/04/19 05:02 PM
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The vast majority of women are down on themselves at some level, regardless of how they look. In my opinion, a "you are beautiful" opener is a bit too strong. It can work, but being so strong, it can backfire in multiple ways, including the response you got of bringing out her inner demons. If you follow up the initial compliment with a high quality "stacking" comment about her (example: "by the way you are dressed, I'd guess you are some kind of professional", or more teasing: "with that colore…
/r/seduction23/04/19 04:56 PM
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REspond in a way that communicates you have an abundance of women and are having fun. "Oh, juggling a lot of balls here, having a great time". Something like that. Then just focus on arranging a date. She doesn't go along with that, drop her again until she tries again. Rinse and repeat until success or she stops. My $0.02. Don't engage with her in any "text chat" Not worth the time/effort. Just a focus on getting together, live and in person.
/r/seduction23/04/19 04:07 PM
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Extremely hard to know. Since she's just your barber, I don't think there's any issue with opening her and asking her out, frankly. Just lead with your balls, as you are about to go. Tell her you think she's very attractive or something of that sort, and suggest a get together sometime for coffee or a beer. Do it with tiger eyes to help communicate you don't want to be "a friend". And a big smile, and if she says no, hey, compliment her a little more and wish her well. No harm no foul.
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:53 PM
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There are many "methods". The london daygame system (torero videos on youtube) would have you instantly following up your compliment not with a "I'm here to say hello" statement but a statement about her, an observation or assumption, based on how she looks, what she's doing, what she's wearing, etc. It can be simple, it can be flamboyant, it's where you're true skills start to shine. It can be teasing too. "I see you are all in black, maybe you're going to a funeral or something" (even though y…
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:30 PM
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The biggest problem here is that you are operating from a position of scarcity and neediness. That is NOT attractive (to her, to anyone). My general suggestions: learn to be "good with women" (learn to daygame, DO IT, and start developing a real funnel of women to have casual relationships with). Second, better yourself so that you are as "naturally attractive" as possible (physically and otherwise). At some point, you have to tell her your interest. But the backdrop ideally should be that you h…
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:20 PM
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Learn to approach by working outside of your work environment. Too much risk of issues if you game co-workers in my opinion. If you do decide to approach, don't use the usual rather intense direct game method. Keep it very low key and "soft", very simple and very direct. Make it easy for her to politely say no, to minimize risk of repurcussions.
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:04 PM
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ps: be very careful about gaming in your work or social ciricles. Best to keep it to otherwise anonymous strangers. No risk of blowback for whatever reason.
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:01 PM
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The first step of the million step journey is always the hardest one. I recommend you learn to daygame. Just handing out your number isn't going to work with that woman standing over there looking at her phone who is causing your brain to melt and your dick to stiffen. You need to learn to approach, compliment, stack, vibe, ground, demonstrate value, get her to invest, tease, kino, and # close. Torero youtube videos taught me, try them, or use whatever material appeals to you. Getting good at do…
/r/seduction23/04/19 03:00 PM
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You absolutely should approach, confidently and fairly quickly. No, do NOT compliment them on something they are wearing. Compliment the woman, directly. A general statement is usually best, and use what feels absolutely natural to you so it sounds natural to her. I like "you're looking wonderful today!", or variations of it, myself. Use her clothes (or other attributes of what she's doing, what she looks like etc) to STACK with an immediate follow up statement about her, for example, "I saw you…
/r/seduction23/04/19 02:52 PM
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ps: DON'T daygame inside any of your social/business circles! Game anonymous strangers in all the obvious places (street, coffee shop, at the bank, at the supermarket, ANYWHERE!). You can and should learn to tease and teasing women you know a little bit for practice and fun is okay, but generally, gaming inside your social circle has high risk of some kind of blowback.
/r/seduction23/04/19 02:40 PM
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I recommend you learn to daygame. Learn to open women with relatively high success rates (relatively: you'll still get lots of rejects, or "good conversations" that don't lead to a # close, etc). It will be HUGE for you in your life to have that skill and confidence. I'm a fan of tom torero's free youtube videos on his method, "london daygame system", it's simple, specific, and effective. It's direct (you open generally with a compliment). You can swing into it slowly if necessary (via "hit and …
/r/seduction23/04/19 02:38 PM
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I think you are overthinking this. At an opportune time, just walk up to one of them and open. Obviously not while they are gasping for finish a set...while they are otherwise unoccupied.
/r/seduction23/04/19 02:30 PM
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Krauser's "daygame mastery" is far more functional and valuable, in my opinion.
/r/seduction23/04/19 02:28 PM
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Yes I did read it. I'm posting to be helpful. You are free to disagree with me. It's okay.
/r/seduction23/04/19 01:54 PM
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The general players rule is to strive to use text only to arrange a get together. But often, that's not possible, and you've got to engage in a little text game. I do recommend the torero materials on text game (youtube free videos), it's good stuff.
/r/seduction23/04/19 01:50 PM
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Right away (an hour or two later). With a "sorry if this feels rushed but I'm leaving tomorrow evening and...". You have no time to waste. ​ Your odds are long but WTF not?
/r/seduction22/04/19 08:04 PM
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Asking for a last name is probably a no-no, particularly after she tried to tell you with the rejection of the chocolate that she would not be paying for dinner that night by fucking you (my interpretation of her response). Maybe a better response would have been "oh trust me, if I was using chocolate to seduce you, I'd have brought something far better than this, lol!!!". Then pop it into your mouth and just smile as you enjoy it. An idea anyway. As someone said, you are in a frame control batt…
/r/seduction22/04/19 08:02 PM
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I'm no expert in bar game but I would guess than an extremely high percentage of bar game #'s aren't going to play out in an actual contact and date. IMO most women are in bars just for a fun evening, and don't have any intention of following up with anyone they "meet" in the bar. In daygame, it's quite a bit different; if you get to a # close, I do believe since you've taken them there from a state where they had no clue they'd even be approached, the potential for a good # and a positive respo…
/r/seduction22/04/19 07:27 PM
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Getting into a "discrete" relationship with someone with depression issues is probably a Very Bad Idea. Particularly when multiplied by the fact that you are the one who needs the discretion (married status). Humans are naturally polygamous, which is proven out simply by the astounding high rates of of polygamous behavior by "married" humans who have "committed" to the (unnatural) monogamous lifestyle. You committed, you now want what's natural. Cheat or come clean with your "committed" partner …
/r/seduction22/04/19 07:19 PM
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Well done. Always be friendly, even when your target rejects you and is pissy. Just be nice, wish her a nice day and move on. And always be respectful. No reason not to game at 16 if you have those basic attitudes. Get comfortable with a direct approach ("you look awesome!"), direct eye contact, and how to follow up your compliment with an observation or assumption about her (can be as simple as "you look like you are really relaxed", or "you look like a student", or fancy like "you look like gi…
/r/seduction22/04/19 07:13 PM
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Usually, if the are not interested, they already saw you from further away, and they will NOT LOOK AT YOU. If they DO look at you, THEY ARE PROBABLY ALREADY INTERESTED, and the moment you smile, you light the fuse on that interest...and they smile back. That's the time to open, instantly, with an even brighter smile and a compliment and a thoughtful, entertaining and engaging stack. My personal sticking point: ALWAYS having that stack ready, intellectually and emotionally. It may feel good to ge…
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:55 PM
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No. You don't care if she has a bf, so why would you ask? Asking that communicates that you are low value. Signal your intention by opening her directly and politely with a smile and direct eye contact. Stack immediately by stating an observation or assumption about her. Vibe off her response, and keep talking until she engages by asking some kind of question back. Then, settle down into a nominal back and forth conversation, demonstrate some value, maybe try to get her to comply with a request …
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:46 PM
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This. ​ It's important to never respond to rejection (even ugly ones) by being a jerk. That poison's the sea we all fish in. Leave them with as positive an experience you can, even if they didn't hook and engage. As for "turning it around", that would only happen with women in your social/business circle that you are in some kind of regular contact with. Gaming there is hazardous to your reputation and best avoided. Game strangers. There's no recovery; reject -> be nice and move on.
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:27 PM
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So what's the problem? I don't hear any problem. Date her, paint her, fuck her. Maybe you succeed with it all, maybe not. Have fun along the way no matter what, and never be a jerk for any reason, and you are good to go! BTW, does paint her mean "paint her portrait" or "paint her body?". I think you should go for the latter...with edible paints! Photo of the result first, then get to work licking it off.
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:16 PM
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Mission accomplished! For the future...you know it's "on" the moment she asks you a question. That's the definitive "hook point", where you can transition from "trying to get her to engage" to doing some vibing, grounding, teasing (if appropriate), and ultimately closing. You got a bit lucky because without signaling any attraction to her on your part, she signaled attraction to you with her question. More common in this situation is that she doesn't have any attraction sufficient to get her mak…
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:02 PM
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Well, the idea that you are going to score alot via instant date -> sex is a bit fantastical. Few women are "yes girls". That's the rare case. So farming #"s (or other contact details) and working them (to arrange a get together move your interaction forward) is in your best interests of maximizing your active leads and closing (sex) at the highest rate. In my opinion. Spending too much time on the oddities of behavior of any one is wasted energy; women are often unfathomable, and/or are doing t…
/r/seduction18/04/19 07:21 PM
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Single women tourists AND single women business visitors are my #1 targets. These are the women who may very well (consciously or unconsciously) be ready willing and able to have an "adventure fling". Another similar type is the non-local who just moved into the area. One last comment: never turn negative (the "fuck you" comment) on a woman because things don't go the way you'd prefer in your interaction. I think the PUA mindset should be to ALWAYS leave a woman feeling positive, to the degree p…
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:50 PM
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If there's nothing to leverage from her dress, leverage something else. How is she moving/what is she doing? Let's say she's barely walking, staring at her phone intently. "Look like you are kind of lost inside that phone there, I'm here to help you escape for a moment". Or she's loaded with stuff (bag, backpack, purse, etc), "that's a lot of stuff, maybe you are moving or something". Always take a look at her shoes, they are often something you can stack with in a teasing way. You can also stac…
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:31 PM
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Push/pull is an "action", that occurs in a dimension, and there are MANY dimensions in which to push/pull. Krauser lays this out very well in his Daygame Mastery book. For example: ​ - physical: get closer...get further away. touch her a lot...don't touch. - attraction: tell her something specific about herself that you find hot...tease her about something that you don't - emotions: lead her in pull up positive emotions and negative emotions with "what caused you to do that" and "how did that ma…
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:08 PM
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On the street outside her apartment, when I stepped outside of the pinball joint she lives close to because I had a funny thought "maybe someone is out there interesting". Seriously. She was/is Chinese national doing grad studies in the US. Some chat about "the jets" (it was Fleet Week, they were buzzing and she wanted to go see the show). Got her my number and she texted me 10 minutes later. I had an insta-date with her 30 minutes after that, walk in the park. And away we went. Crazy I know. Sh…
/r/seduction17/04/19 07:22 PM
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What, sitting in the club for 4 hours is going to enable you to make an unconscious decision to approach? Well hey, for myself, it's silly. If it works for you, by all means, who is to argue. IMO, the best way to address AA is to approach. If the best you can muster is "hello!" as you pass, you start there. And move forward. Using conscious will, not some unconscious process that hopefully kicks in after 4 hours (FOUR HOURS!??!!! LOL!!!) of doing nothing alone in public. But that just my opinion…
/r/seduction17/04/19 07:08 PM
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I opened, dated (in a sense; we made plans and did things together, but the frame for neither of us was "dates"), and sexed a 20 y.o. last Fall. Overall, a 10 week process. I'm 60. She dumped me instantly after heading off for 10 days with "serious boyfriend" who lives remote, "buyers' remorse" some called it, but to be perfectly honest, I think she was just on the edge of starting to fall in love with me, which just wasn't going to work (I know I was on the edge of that myself too). But proof p…
/r/seduction16/04/19 08:05 PM
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I rather object to the notion that good opens are "hitting on women". To me, "hitting on women" means fairly aggressively requesting sex, or some kind of physical intimacy. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but there's a lot of negative connotations with "hitting on women". I prefer the frame of "opening women" with a standard model of complimenting and talking at and with them, with a goal of giving them joy. Maybe very little, maybe lots over time, but ideally, every woman we open views it in the end as a…
/r/seduction16/04/19 07:50 PM
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I'm 60, in a land of an absurd abundance of "too young" women (not that _I_ mind!). Been pumping daily since late December, I was already lean, now I'm looking reasonably good (actually for 60, more like "excellent", and after a few more months it'll move to "mildly ripped"). I've done tons of yoga in the distant past and use yoga stretches daily as part of my workout. I would definitely not make a fool of myself re: the actual "class". Question is, is it just "too much" to drop into these class…
/r/seduction16/04/19 07:33 PM
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In my opinion.
/r/seduction16/04/19 07:20 PM
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yeah, I read it. And I think it's silly. Why waste 4 hours to decide to do something? Be a conscious decision making human and skip the 4 hours. Just an idea...
/r/seduction16/04/19 07:19 PM
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Puerile.
/r/seduction16/04/19 04:01 PM
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My instant reaction to this is rather strong disagreement. When we have men literally going berzerk because all they've experienced is "rejection", I think educating men on HOW TO INTERACT WITH WOMEN in a positive way for both parties would be a huge improvement. The core elements of "pick up" as a positive social interaction style should be taught broadly. Guys literally go nuts because they don't have the knowledge or skill and try and fail repeatedly, then blame the horrible women. Education …
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:51 PM
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The best way to avoid serious is to avoid overly frequent get togethers. The general rule is more than 1x/week (with intimacy) will lead after a few months to "love". So infrequent, and lots of different women (vs. a focus on "just her") are the keys, I believe. At some point, you want to honestly tell her that you aren't serious. If you look at tomtorero dot com, down just a little ways is an actual text convo he had recently with a woman he was sexing that was for exactly this purpose, worth c…
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:42 PM
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Grounding (sharing about yourself and your value) is best done face to face. Some is usually necessary in the overall opening conversation to get her to invest and accept a number close. The general recommendation is to try to limit texting to arranging a get together, and little more. In the course of normal conversation, there are an infinite number of opportunities to share your value, experience, etc. What's more important generally though is asking her open ended questions that force her to…
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:38 PM
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Way too much neediness. Always always match your texting pace to hers. And always strive to limit texting purposes to arranging a date, not "having a conversation", to the degree possible. Sometimes you have to use text in long game, and there are good videos and info out there on how. One consistent message is to match her pacing!!
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:29 PM
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You are engaging in classic "push-pull", but over doing it if it's affecting her to the level she's calling it our explicitly. In my opinion. Slow down and reduce the level of that, and use it more "as needed" to manage her and the developing relationship (whatever it might be). Be clear in your own mind what relationship goal you really have with her, otherwise, you are like a sailing ship without a sail flopping in the waves, and she getting rocked from one side of the boat to the other. Ouch …
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:26 PM
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Given that she's in her professional environment, gaming her there can cause a lot of discomfort. The strong eye contact was enough, IMO. The simple follow through is to politely tell her towards the end of the interaction (exam) that you find her attractive, then "let me text you and we'll find a time to get together for a coffee or drink". Something along those lines. I think in her professional environment you really want to stay very, very cool re: the usual gaming stuff. And your offer shou…
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:21 PM
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There are huge loads of free youtube material on this, to start. I like the Torero ones, and his methods, myself. Proven solid method (but PU isn't easy, after 1000 opens you'll be an "intermediate"). Learn and try and practice and improve and pay attention to actual results (feedback) and learn and adjust. "The field will tell you all you need to know."
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:14 PM
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If you want her, yes you should ask her out. She's a real human being, and can decide for herself if she wants to fuck just him...or just you...or both of you over time. And as things progresses...you can decide if it works for you or not. Choices for her, choices for you. Particularly if you know she wants a LTR, and so do you. If you don't, by definition you have no chance, seems to me.
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:09 PM
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She's gaming you. Which isn't half bad. At least she is staying engaged. Figure out what you want, and ju-jitsu her game. Texting relative to seduction and dating is (IMO) best limited as much as possible to a means to coordinate a get together, and little more. The far more important question (IMO) is does she show when you have a get together plan, or is she a flake? That to me is a far more important attribute that how "responsive" she is timewise to texts. If you "need" her to respond to you…
/r/seduction16/04/19 02:57 PM
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Or, "I promise I won't wear you out...too much!". Also, given the abundance, perhaps you should be more aggressively trying to pull one out, and if you get resistance, "go to the bathroom" and when you come back, find a different woman and try again. Just an idea. Coupled with that would be the need to escalate more quickly yourself, verbally, about how you are going to fuck her later. Make your intentions clear, and see if that helps separate the wheat from the chafe more quickly.
/r/seduction16/04/19 02:49 PM
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If I understand this, you want FREQUENT dates with her that signify a growing monogamous/committed relationship...or no dates with her. All I can suggest (I'm not a "dating" person, seems to me this is in the wrong sub) is you just tell her that. I.e., you tell her you want X or Y, but not the Z that's happening now. That could be bad advice but otherwise it seems to me that she will not really have much of a clue as to why you are behaving as you are. My $0.02, worth the same.
/r/seduction16/04/19 02:43 PM
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I think its silly, myself. Going out and being alone for 4 hours in a bar isn't going to help you. Notice that it wasn't until he TRIED SOMETHING DIFFERENT at the club that he had "success". Not promoting exactly what he did, but generally, YES: he started APPROACHING. Wasting 4 hours in a club not approaching is only going to drive you mad. In my opinion. I guess his claim is it will drive you so nuts you'll finally break through. Maaaaaybe.
/r/seduction15/04/19 05:32 PM
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The truth is the vast majority of men only score with a woman (or mate with a woman) through pretty much random chance. Also, they tend to GRAB AHOLD FAST AND HARD to the first woman that engages with them, usually resulting in a bad break up years later or divorce. Work on skills with women, and ability to open and attract women, make your reality an abundance of women. It does take WORK and sustained effort. With an abundance, you can learn, evaluate, have fun, and if you want it, eventually p…
/r/seduction15/04/19 05:27 PM
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My viewpoint stands. I won't disagree that the social norm is "it's common courtesy". However, players don't respect that social norm. Because a very large % of women either AREN'T really in a monogamous BF/GF relationship and their statement is nothing more than a "I have high value" statement, or, they are at a superficial level...but appeal to her the right way, and she's happy to upgrade for a few hours, maybe even for a few hours on a regular basis. Based on this, advice to those working th…
/r/seduction15/04/19 05:20 PM
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If she's 20 and active as you say, you are almost certainly just going to be another notch in her belt. If that's okay with you, sure. If you have fantasies about this being "the one", get over them immediately. Not good for you at your young age (play the field!), and definitely not going to happen with her! As for doing acid together, well, certainly that's not a good time to make a move, she might decide your cock looks like a tasty sausage. Besting wasted isn't a good state for passion, in m…
/r/seduction15/04/19 04:29 PM
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office/work relationships are to be avoided. "Don't do that." 99% of the time it leads to problems. Learn to be capable with women, learn to open (random unknown women, NOT women in your social/work circle!), create a funnel of women you are working towards your relationship goals (whatever they may be, this is the seduction group so we presume it's a goal of casual sex but maybe you want a "relationship"?), escape the fixation on any one woman, and view the situation as an abundance. From that …
/r/seduction15/04/19 04:22 PM
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This is great advice, we call it the "hit and run". Try being more direct too: "You look great today!" with a BIG smile and just keep on walking. Doing these can tremendously lower your anxiety levels re: a real open, where you stop her with the same and immediately stack with some kind of observation about her.
/r/seduction15/04/19 04:08 PM
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I second this. AND (and this is IMPORTANT)....LEARN how to open PROPERLY. Compliment, stack, vibe, ground, invest, close. London Daygame System, Torero, watch the videos, IT WORKS. But you have to move from "wanting to want" to actually WANTING, which means ACTING. Take action, fail, learn, improve, repeat. After 100 opens, you'll be solidly on the path.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:37 PM
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Every relationship ends eventually. Even the long term ones (someone dies). Get used to it. Learn what you can, try to apply the learning "next time", and move on. BTW, it's not impossible she comes back to you. I'd say stay cool for another week or two, then just photo ping her with a photo of a fun/crazy place, and a very very short comment. The overall intent being to communicate you are fun, you are having fun, and you are NOT needy. Maybe she comes back. Meanwhile...work on your game and ge…
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:32 PM
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Learn to daygame. Learn to open. Practice your ass off. And in the background, keep working your ass off to totally eliminate the stutter. Brown/black/blue/green don't matter, there are women who will find you attractive enough. But you have to learn to break through their shield and give them a chance to discover that. That requires you learn how to approach and open women successfully. Best of luck. I recommend Torero's youtube videos myself, but you may like different approaches. Investigate …
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:26 PM
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Here are the critical things a woman needs from you: FUN, SAFETY, and VALUE. You should be able to man up to offer #1 and #2. For value, you'd better figure out or WORK TO DEVELOP some things that make you an interesting/unique person. Simply put, we all have challenges. We can all whine about them. Or we can get off our duff and work to improve, leverage what we do have, and dodge/minimize the impact of what we just can't change. Good luck.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:23 PM
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Dress appropriately for your targets. If you are in a park on a Saturday afternoon, no you aren't going to wear a suit and tie! And if you are going to work downtown during a weekday afternoon...maaaaybe a suit and tie is the right attire, if you want to appear as a "businessman" to some business women. Etc. This isn't rocket science.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:19 PM
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If you want to be her boyfriend/provider and considered as a long term partner...yea. It's a problem. If your frame is that you are a player who wants to be her booty call friend...it's not a problem whatsoever. The multi-millionaire wife may very well fuck the plumber. But she's never going to consider the plumber a possible provider/mate. I don't think the plumber cares. In fact, for some women, having a FWB that is "lower status" is exciting in lots of ways.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:17 PM
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??? If you don't like dance clubs, wtf is the problem? don't go to dance clubs. Open women in "normal" places. Sounds like you are a natural. Do what you do in the grocery store, on the street, in a cafe, at the park, whereever. Must be nice to be 19 and scoring easy! Have a great life dude.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:14 PM
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fucking 9's and 10's that way in the US is going to be rather expensive, eh? Learn how to approach and be skillful with your interactions with women. Learn how to attract and seduce them. Forget tindr. That's for the choads. Grow yourself out of choad-dom. It's a hard path, but worthwhile. Seduction is the shit. Tindr is (for 97% of men) a waste of time.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:11 PM
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Yea. Forget tindr and learn how to approach and attract women for real. Save your money and time, and learn how to be a real man who has skills with women. It's worth the effort.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:09 PM
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Learn how to open a woman with random women you don't know. FIRST!!! After a lot of study and at least 50 opens, including assessing the results and learning and improving until you are having occasional success, do you want to try it on any "special people". Though by that point you may find they don't appear as special to you anymore now that the wider world of women is opening up to you. Certainly don't try this particular woman again until you have knowledge, skill, and experience. Or you'll…
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:05 PM
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Spoken like a worried boyfriend, lol!!! Sorry, we are still going to open your woman dude. It's up to you to keep her "committed" and monogamous. Our game is to fuck her on the sly and you'll never know. That's the way it is. Players are not nice guys who "respect another man's woman". Far from it. Most of us are more than happy to be the secret society bad boy she comes to for hot casual sex, while she "dates" her boyfriend (or husband) who is really her provider. Our goal is to make her happy.…
/r/seduction15/04/19 02:57 PM
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Many around here believe the BF test is a stopper. No. It's a way to blow you off, much of the time. Some of the time, it's real, but for the right guy, she'd be happy to fuck you anyway. If she REALLY has a bf and/or she REALLY isn't into you, you won't close with her, so it's just fine to push ahead after the I have a BF comment. How? You can ignore it and keep going. You can joke about it with "cool, I have a dog!", or "yea, I've got one too, they are handy to have around at times". But every…
/r/seduction15/04/19 02:53 PM
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Your opens suck. But I think you know that. Starting with "hello" or "hi" isn't a problem. But the first content out of your mouth can't be some random observation about her clothing. WTF is she supposed to conclude from that? Your first comment needs to communicate your REAL interest, which is in HER. Which is why "direct" (some form of "you look nice", can be said 10,000 different ways) is key. INSTANTLY follow that up with a comment about her (ideally really HER). My canonical example would b…
/r/seduction15/04/19 02:47 PM
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For the second open, fantastic. How many minutes until the attempt at an instant date? Usually you need a minimum of 5 minutes to build enough connection and interest for success there I think. When she said "I've got to go", you should try for a # (or other social link) close, with "hey, I'd like to get to know you a little better, let me get your # and I'll text you about getting a coffee or drink together soon", as you pull out your phone. The worst she can say is "sorry, gotta go, bye!".
/r/seduction15/04/19 02:34 PM
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The idea of the earliest stage of an open is two-fold: #1, communicate you interest (i.e,. you are interested in HER in a man->woman sort of way, not in directions or an opinion etc.). You did that perfectly. #2, GET HER TALKING ABOUT HERSELF. Asking questions right out of the box can work, but usually doesn't. The tried and true method is to rephrase your question about herself as an assumptive statement. Some teasing at this stage isn't bad too. I opened a woman a few days ago with a follow up…
/r/seduction15/04/19 02:30 PM
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Just be sure you are clear in your mind exactly what "be my boyfriend" means to you, and lay it out in detail to him. Otherwise, he'll that means one thing, and you another. Not good.
/r/seduction15/04/19 01:56 PM
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Lol!! You don't want a 60 year old...nor do I want 20 something competition! Good luck and see you in field.
/r/seduction13/04/19 07:36 PM
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To MEET women (not to DATE a woman). The park. On the sidewalk. The grocery store. Around and in a museum. I like the "obvious" places just a little less (i.e, a coffeeshop), because I think women will have their shields up more in obvious places. I prefer places where they don't expect or worry about an approach. Women walking their dogs are everywhere, right? Anywhere and everywhere.
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:57 PM
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LOL!!!! Well, that at least proves you are active in the field! ​ Part of the game dude. WTF is the problem? The problem is only in your head. Yes, MOST WOMEN WILL NOT FUCK YOU. Get over it. That's true for ALL OF US. And most will in some way "reject" you during your initial conversation. Get over it. Last point: your game requires happiness and joy and fun to be communicated to the woman from you. If inside you are full of hate and fury, you're faking it isn't likely to make it. You must IMPRO…
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:49 PM
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My suggestion is to watch some quality infield videos. The Torero vids on youtube are great, start with the introductory one so you are educated in the "model" he uses for opening and interacting, then the various infield examples where you can see/hear it in action. Best of luck.
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:44 PM
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Given your interest in scoring with this particular one, I think your general game plan going forward is fine. It's time to let her chase, by being a bit distant, and giving off a vibe through a FEW (not many, not often) interactions that you are (a) really fun!, (b) having fun!, and (c) have women in your life w/o her. I have to disagree with your point #2, being respectful to a woman is ALWAYS appropriate and necessary. You can be respectful and still be the "bad boy" vs. the "nice guy". The b…
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:41 PM
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Get in shape. Become an interesting person with some unique value of various sorts. Study and learn how to interact with women in general, and how to "game" in particular. Then do it. It's hard work. The lazy ones don't score. Don't be lazy. And DELETE YOUR DATING/HOOK UP APPS. Trash them. You want to meet and seduce women, get out in the field and do it. Nothing will inform you more than the field itself about what you need to work on.
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:34 PM
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Is there award?
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:31 PM
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There's an old adage that definitely applies here: FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT. ​ She has NO IDEA what your "ability" or "experience" with women is. Project whatever it is you want to project. You don't even have to lie; if it remotely comes up, just make joking answers as if the experience is broad and deep so therefore you joke about how you "haven't a clue" (or vice versa). Point is, you can easily hide those facts from her. Use the time to gain the experience to the point where faking it isn't…
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:29 PM
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While my info is extremely limited...my understanding is that these are total scams, designed to extract your $$$ in return for "conversation" with shills. If they insist on chatting through one of these, I virtually guarantee you you are being scammed.
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:24 PM
1

"Gentle" biting (teeth rub) on the collar bone, top of shoulder, ears...some don't like it, many/most melt. I had a young one a while back who after 10 minutes of that plus kissing literally could barely stand and walk. The definition of "swooning", I'd never seen or experienced it before, but it's real!
/r/seduction11/04/19 07:07 PM
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The advice to "go just a little further away" isn't bad. That said, if your opens are really executed in a fun, positive, friendly manner (yet still direct). and to people in your general age bracket, you are likely to get warm responses even if they end in "reject". That has the advantage in fact of setting up some of them for the near future, after they spend to much time thinking about how NICE it was to be approached like that, to come back for "more". But until you feel you are pretty smoot…
/r/seduction11/04/19 06:45 PM
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Approaching women with sexual intent who are in your "social circle" in some way is (can be) problematic. You nailed it: what if she "rejects" you (nicely or in an immature and nasty way), and now you are self conscious and uncomfortable for days or weeks in that class situation? And the fact is, as you will learn, rejects in some form are far more common. I'd suggest working your game with "anonymous" girls first, Build some skill and experience. Then, maybe toward the end of the semester, appr…
/r/seduction11/04/19 06:00 PM
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ROTFL!! Hmm, maybe you can slip a little viagra into their drink 30 minutes before? That shit works WONDERS for me, just a tiny bit is all that's needed (unless I'm going to screw for an hour or more, in which case, a little more). But I'm 60 so I have a "valid excuse" for the need I suppose. Maybe you can find a way during the preamble (conversation) phase of weeding out those who are "less experienced", though its always possible the less experienced guy in fact will be a rock for you.
/r/seduction11/04/19 05:48 PM
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To answer your question, yes, some definitely do. They aren't players, they aren't experienced, some part of them wants a "nice girl", they view an overtly sexual woman as threatening to their little ego and manhood. I mean just think, you are experienced, and you might JUDGE THEIR PERFORMANCE. Etc etc. Many possible causes/reasons. The clear slut does scare away a high percentage of men, honestly. Just as the best male players don't particularly advertise their sluttiness, you might try toning …
/r/seduction11/04/19 05:35 PM
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Perhaps an incremental approach. Start with a goal for a day or two of merely catching the eye of several women as you pass and saying with a friendly smile "Hello!". Nothing more, no pressure! After that starts to feel pretty easy, up it to "Hey, you are looking fine today!" as you pass by. Nothing more, no pressure! Etc. Keep advancing your experience and comfort. These are called "hit and runs", by the way, and well know method to "warm up", or in your case, break through the anxiety.
/r/seduction11/04/19 05:27 PM
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Kaplaugh!!!! Don't let boyfriend claims slow you down. Assume it's merely a test, and/or that they are looking to upgrade, and/or they are looking for fun around the edges. She'll let you know if in fact it's (a) real and (b) a truly closed relationship. Check out the Torero video on the boyfriend test.
/r/seduction11/04/19 05:23 PM
1

A very common problem. You have to choose which path to take with her. And just because you choose the "friend" path doesn't mean she's going to continue to "be your friend" as in actually interact with you regularly. She may very well be hoping for more herself, and when you don't deliver...goodbye. Or, you indicate your interest, ask her out, maybe it moves forward a bit or not, but in the end, she bails. Same result. Bottom line: EVERY relationship ends. "All is suffering" says the buddha, wh…
/r/seduction11/04/19 05:04 PM
1

You have to build more attraction, connection, show more value, and communicate more clearly how much of a good time you would be go to out with to have a prayer of turning a # into a date. A # after 3 minutes of chatting is almost always worthless.
/r/seduction11/04/19 04:59 PM
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This is the perfect example of the "I have a boyfriend" as a test/bitch shield. In situations like this where the odds are rather high it's either not true or true but not meaningful at the moment, best to leverage it with some levity and a spike perhaps. "I have too, very useful at times!" Or, "that's okay, we can let him watch if you like" (might a bit much but...). Or I like the "cool, I have a dog". The cock blocker friend is performing pure cock block with her bf bullshit. And if she's stan…
/r/seduction11/04/19 04:07 PM
1

Just say sorry and move on. Not every women is going to "like" being approached, and even some who do (at some level) will feel "uncomfortable". Don't worry about it. Rejection in all kinds of forms is part of the game. You might reflect on what made her uncomfortable, was there any clue in advance you could have used to modulate your approach, etc. You know, the old learning process. But it may have been perfect and that's just the result sometimes.
/r/seduction11/04/19 04:00 PM
1

Dude, you are getting massive signals she wants to fuck or at least blow you. Ask her to join you somewhere private for some BS reason, then use some BS reason to start some kino ("I want to read your palm", etc.), and take it from there. Unless she's already given up on you and is now fucking the surf instructor.
/r/seduction11/04/19 03:57 PM
1

Never forget that your internal vibe comes out. You HAVE to have a positive, playful, fun vibe! I suppose it can be faked, but women are sharper than shit, and "they can tell". Hell, a recent "friend" soon had me so wired she could just look at how I was smiling to know the inner details behind what i was saying; it's amazing how perceptive women are. So you MUST work your game from a place of "I'm having fun, I'm going to give these women a little joy, even if it leads to nothing for me". Try i…
/r/seduction11/04/19 03:52 PM
1

Age is immaterial. I'm 60. Last fall I pulled a 20 year old. It can be done. Yes, that particular result had a lot of "luck" to it i suppose, but all daygame does, that's why we have to approach so much to score in the end. Your results historically weren't necessarily "bad" at all, it's a function of how much effort you put in, and clearly you had some fine results. Is a 60 year old going to routinely pull early 20 somethings? NO. But it can be done. A weekend or two ago I had great vibe with a…
/r/seduction11/04/19 03:44 PM
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Well played! I suggest not giving up right away when the "I've got a boyfriend" test (and/or fact) comes up. Check how Tom Torero's youtube video on "I've got a boyfriend" for some quality advice on how to handle it. As for the 10 minute shot yourself thing, I think you could have done the instant date and just said "hey, you're much more fun than him, he'll wait for me", then pretend to text him.
/r/seduction11/04/19 03:33 PM
2

Your cure is functional and high value. IMO. You don't provide specifics but often/typically, "falling" for a woman is a function of frequency of contact. Keep it to less than once per week and that should help reduce/delay/eliminate "the love reflex".
/r/seduction11/04/19 03:23 PM
1

Probably. Whatever. Spiking is good. Say what seems right at the time for the vibe.
/r/seduction11/04/19 02:00 PM
1

TY.
/r/seduction11/04/19 01:58 PM
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The stat is correct. ​ I've fucked 70-80 myself. ​ Thanks for your warm support and deep insight into my life.
/r/seduction11/04/19 01:51 PM
2

Work with what you have. Or move.
/r/seduction11/04/19 01:45 PM
1

No, it makes him appear honest, straightforward, and more attractive actually.
/r/seduction11/04/19 01:45 PM
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By telling her you find her attractive (in whatever words you prefer) and asking her out. Simple. Direct. Be a man, lead with your balls. Do it in person.
/r/seduction11/04/19 01:46 AM
3

Wrong. One is a blessing, and the second is your own fault/issue, that has nothing to do with the first. You should try some cheese with that whine...
/r/seduction10/04/19 07:48 PM
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This. "Nice guys" are what women want as a long term provider and mate. Someone "nice", wealthy, will stick around, is NOT a player (will be monogamous). When a woman wants casual sex, she doesn't want a "nice guy". Nice guys are clingy, nice guys want/expect to "date" over and over, nice guys want a "relationship". Sometimes a woman wants sex...without all that baggage. That's when she's open to seduction, by a player. Who doesn't act/give off "nice guy" signals. He gives off "I'll fuck you sil…
/r/seduction10/04/19 07:40 PM
1

Asking questions after the hook point is fine, it's part of conversation of course. You just ideally want her to ask the first question. The danger is the common behavior of instantly asking questions the moment she gives you ANYTHING to work with, and it becomes an interview. Also, statements/assumptions are ripe with opportunity to tease as well as flatter, often in combination. Asking questions tends to be the easy escape hatch in an interaction, and it's far less powerful a technique than su…
/r/seduction10/04/19 07:10 PM
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As the pro's say, "Not every woman is going to fuck you". Not 1/2. Not 1/3. Not 1/10th. Maybe (maybe) 3/100. If you are really good. And there are drops outs all along the way from "you look great" to PinV. One way of looking at "instant fails" is that is saves you a lot of time and effort! Vs. working her for 3 dates until she finally says "I swore to be a virgin until I marry", lol!! Awesome that you went from "instant fail" to an "on" woman. So much fun...
/r/seduction10/04/19 07:00 PM
2

Forget dating/hookup apps. Work on being a real person, with real value, real skills, and real interactions with women, face to face. In my opinion and recommendation. Don't expect miracles. But by following that path, you are making yourself a far, far better person in a myriad of ways. The dating app path...fuhgeddaboudit.
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:53 PM
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ROTFLMAO!! ​ In general it's when they look away immediately with an ugly face, as in "oh my god this total creep just told me I look nice!". It's hilarious. The funniest thing? I can bet you that some part of them was excited and pleased about it, regardless! Fact is, women are NOT approached often at all, certainly not in a direct way by a confident man. It very often makes their day and maybe week, even if the reject. But that ain't coming out in the moment; she'll think that 20 minutes and/o…
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:48 PM
1

Work at it. You've lifted the leg for the first stop of the journey: acknowledging your desire and seeking advice. Part of what path to go down depends on "who you want to be", and how you want to be. I like Torero's (free) material and approach...but perhaps the idea of being a pure player isn't what you want? Maybe you really want a serious relationship? You want to figure that out first and use it to assess just what tools and skills and practices you are going to adopt and work on. Improving…
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:35 PM
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I'm not big on #1. That's what is often called a "pre-open". I think it's appropriate in a different form for when you are effectively interrupting. For example, she is stopped and diddling her phone intently. "Hello, hey I know I'm interrupting your phone work but...I just want to say you look...fantastic...today. I'm guessing you are a professional from those clothes, maybe a lawyer or something...". When it's appropriate it demonstrates your social awareness, and serves to crack into her awar…
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:25 PM
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The average choad fucks 7 women their entire life.
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:09 PM
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Bingo.
/r/seduction10/04/19 06:09 PM
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600 opens for a top quality player, assuming you are opening women 2 pts higher than yourself, is demonstrated to result in sex roughly 18 times. It runs about 3% of all opens. It's work and there's no secret sauce that suddenly causes one out of five women to jump in bed with you. That's not the real world. As a newbie player, you can expect far worse performance than this for your first 600 opens, unless you have some very strong other value attributes (rich? particularly tall? particularly ha…
/r/seduction10/04/19 05:55 PM
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Right on. Open direct, stack, vibe, ground, invest, close. It's easy when you know how...and have done it 1000 times!!! And suffered every possible type of reject known to mankind. All part of the journey.
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:50 PM
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oh whoops, I already said that didn't I! Well...sounds like you took some advice, hey best of luck man! You should have a harem in a year or two's time, for sure, if you apply yourself. Remember to treat 'em with respect and kindness...
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:48 PM
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If you are approaching and quickly going for contact info, yes you absolutely are doing it wrong. A good interaction with a # or contact close should last 5-10 minutes. You have to communicate your man-> woman interest, you have to vibe and tease a little, you have to build some rapport and demonstrate some value to her. Only after all of that might she (maybe) be thinking "this guy is fun and safe and...oh, he wants my #!!! Oh yes....". Good luck.
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:46 PM
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Here's an idea for you: don't. That will make the world a better and happier place, including you.
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:44 PM
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It's not. ​ Seduction is art of meeting an unknown person and leading them to consensual sex. Seduction isn't about foreplay with your girlfriend. Maybe there's a "sex" group, or this goes under "dating", or hey, maybe "home remedies"?
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:40 PM
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Interesting. The idea of using fraud to jack one element of "value" to a sky high level, to get relatively easy sex Still, fraud is fraud. You can be proud, among a group of cons. If you like running a con to get sex, okay. Most of us are probably not too big on expending effort to execute a con. Even if the alternative is quite a bit more difficult and challenging (and it is).
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:31 PM
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Three random ideas: sex her asap, if not she's going to get picked up by a player soon and serviced in some dank room (if its not happening already). Don't ask her questions about "your relationship" with her. And the last one that is going to raise a fuss: DON'T SEE HER MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK, MAX. If you want a casual relationship. Anything more than that, with romance/sex, and I guarantee you within 2 months it's "love", because that's how humans work. FREQUENCY of interaction is the crux. And…
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:22 PM
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Nice goals. Do remember that SEDUCTION is a very specific and very applied type of "social interaction". Lots of people are "good socially" and have zero game. If you want to learn daygame, I recommend Torero's youtube videos. For general social skills...others can guide you, I don't know anything about that. Social skills you use with your girlfriends mothers. Seduction game...probably not.
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:13 PM
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Most of the women in this world will not fuck you. If you are a great daygamer, 97% of the women you open will "reject" you along the way. Most in the initial encounter with no contact info. Then a large # in the delayed/remote interaction trying to arrange a get together. Then a large # after that get together. Etcetera. ​ It's a world of pain that way. Get comfortable with it. LEARN from it, but as you get good...it's going to be less and less about what you did wrong, and more about that's ju…
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:09 PM
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What's the problem? Just say "sorry again about my last cancellation", and ask her out. Maybe she says yes, maybe not. Whatever. I don't think there's any reason to worry about it, as long as you have a decent reason for why (if she asks) better than "because my Saturday bitch spent the night..."), There are times in life where a little white lie is socially the right thing to do, IMO...
/r/seduction09/04/19 11:03 PM
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You aren't skillful at seduction. That's why. ​ Address it. Learn how to interact with women with intent to seduce (lead her to sex). ​ More than enough free material out there on how. I like the Tom Torero material on youtube, you may like a different style/approach, what's important is to learn, apply, experience, then apply the experience (feedback) to get better. ​ And remember, there's zero "secret", and it's never easy. Applied seduction (going out and WORKING to find a woman who WILL sex …
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:57 PM
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TLDR. ​ What is it with people's need to write essays here?
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:46 PM
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No, don't move immediately from playful vibing to trying to close. You want to GROUND a bit, with some more conversation where you throw in some things that show you have value, that you have depth, that you are both interesting and "safe" (normal, mostly). That should happen after the hook point, which is the instant she actually asks you a question. Until she's asked you a question, you haven't hooked her and you have virtually zero chance of a close. You have to keep vibing, teashing, pushing…
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:44 PM
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We can't change our looks or our height...much. Do what you can. And not every woman is available to us. Very, very few are, in fact. For the tall and handsome (and even "better", rich and famous) quite a few more. But if you are a 5, you should ABSOLUTELY be able to pull 5's, 6's, and as you get skills, 7's and 8's. Women's response to "handsome" in their initial response, but trust me, they really want all kinds of things that handsome sometimes has, and many times doesn't. Be/offer those thin…
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:39 PM
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"The field will inform you." ​ Are you working through your approach, what you said, your body language, how it went down, and figuring how why/how it probably went off the rails? What do you need to adjust? Are you aware of cultural differences and are you adjusting appropriately? ​ Or just whine about it. Your choice.
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:34 PM
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WEll that was content free. A guy with hot young women in the frame now and then. Whoopie.
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:29 PM
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Chimps and apes are NOT humans. Note for example: why is the cock of a great ape extremely small (and inch or two), particularly compared to body mass, whereas the human has a massive cock size/length compared to body mass? the "alpha" male ape owns the females and inseminates them. There is NO selection pressure around cock size, because the king gets the females, end of story. Humans for 200,000 fucked each other. "All" (most?) of the men fucked the women. The penises that "performed" best "wo…
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:22 PM
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wait a week or more. do a photo ping (cool/funny picture, ideally with maybe your feet in the foreground for example). just a very brief note. pure fun. and no questions to her. just let her know you exist, implicitly that you are still interested, are having fun (w/o her!) and are fun to be with. ​ wait another week or two if you get nothing, try another or go for it and suggest getting together. ​ nothing back, fuhgeddaboudit.
/r/seduction09/04/19 10:12 PM
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I don't think that point ever truly arrives. It does get easier, though, due to your experience that the "rejection pain" isn't actually pain at all, it's just head tripping. As you are solid in who you are and how you are, what "she" does loses its power to bother you so much ("oh my gosh she made an ugly face and turned away"...lol! funny. and...she did THAT next to her friend, who groaned and said "oh my god!". Ha ha...onward and next, already forgotten). And that reduces the stress and hesit…
/r/seduction09/04/19 09:53 PM
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Women get full of regret after casual sex. Then you invalidated her on top of that by immediately ignoring her; then she's feeling both regret and used. So she's generally pissed. And of course some part of her still wants it under all that, so...she's a mess. ​ Photo ping her once with something fun/wacky, just to communicate that you are fun and having fun w/o her. Then several days or a week later, text her and ask her to go out. If no responses to either, move along.
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:47 PM
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Go blow it somewhere else.
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:42 PM
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Any number of ways, the important thing is to not let it throw you off. ​ "Well then, it's time you moved up the world and date a very bad MAN." or "And I've dated many bad girls, but I'm not sure you qualify quite yet." or "Awesome, and what flavor of bad turns you on the most?" ​ Or simply and slowly, "that's....good". And move on. ​ All depends on the convo up to that point, how you are getting along, what you'd like to achieve. If you are going for a same day lay, you need to escalate so it'…
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:39 PM
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If the goal is to make "cool videos" of being kind of a jerk to women, sure. If you are serious about opening with a goal of seduction, acting like a faux movie star and coming off haughty and a bit demanding probably isn't the best. Pulling in slow like that is good. But the "ignore the woman" until you say something element is not. Far superior is too get eye contact on the approach/sit down, HOLD IT, open with a appropriate compliment while holding that eye contact, stacking immediately with …
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:21 PM
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Learn to approach and game women live, face to face. On social/dating/hookup sites, YOU are the one being gamed. Man up and learn how to approach, create attraction, close, date, and get laid. Build a harem. Laugh at the choads on tindr. Good luck. It's not an easy road, but at least it's a real one.
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:06 PM
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I haven't read any of the responses. Use the identical technique men (should) use: open with a smile, direct eye contact, and some comment that is either directly flattering, or perhaps teasing. Initiate some kino (touching) quickly (high fives, palm reading, and the old favorite: say your name, shake his hand and don't let go! hold it as long as he will). You know all about how to test him already, so I want say anything about that. This is funny: we men assume women "naturally" know this stuff…
/r/seduction09/04/19 07:04 PM
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Start studying day game and practicing day game. Maybe you succeed in a month, maybe you don't. Without trying...it's a certainty you fail. There are no secrets, and it's hard work. On yourself mostly. Don't be a choad, and don't think there's some cheap/easy path to pussy. There isn't.
/r/seduction09/04/19 06:34 PM
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After you've done 30-50 opens, you absolutely should be looking for instant date opportunities. It is nothing more than a VENUE CHANGE and moves you in this first meeting into "step 2", that being the "first date". The venue change can be a simple as "let's go down there to those benches for a few minutes before I have to run", or more formal like "let's go have a coffee". The interaction extends from the nominal 5-10 minutes to 15-30 minutes. Whenever things are going really well and she doesn'…
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:54 PM
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Let me add...the critical thing you are working for is the "hook point", which is simply the moment she asks YOU a question (ANY question, no matter how trivial). Once you get the hook, take a deep breath and slow down a bit, because you now have a fish on the line, whereas without that hook...it's still on YOU to talk and get her to hook. Don't give up too easily; she make it clear when she's really done with you. After the hook point is when you want to start doing a little grounding, generall…
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:48 PM
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Direct, direct, direct. With DEEP EYE CONTACT. Communicate clearly with your words and your eyes that you are interested in her in a man to woman kind of way, not to "Get directions" or whatever. Second thing: BE READY TO STACK the moment she acknowledges your open. "Stacking" is simply saying something right away. What do you want to say? Something observation (and/or assumptive) about HER, not about her clothes etc. You can use her clothes to say something about her ("By the look of those shoe…
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:45 PM
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What is "humiliation"? Humiliation is how YOU feel. Decide to not be humiliated, no matter what happens. It's all in fun. Who the fuck cares what this random woman who disses you, ignores you, makes an ugly face as she turns away from you, really thinks? ​ I opened a very young gal dressed in very slutty clothes the other day as she was standing around waiting for somebody (I think). "You look very nice today!" as I passed, no real intention to engage because there was zero chance and really not…
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:15 PM
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Pay her $300? Obviously, your question is idiotic. Simple answer: YOU CAN'T. But nice try.
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:09 PM
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Try daygame. Approach women when they are NOT putting themselves on display, have their bitch shields up, etc etc.
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:07 PM
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There is NOTHING wrong with going out with an intent to open. Nothing!!!! And given the #'s issue, not doing so means you are not going to get a lot of action, just as the salesman who doesn't actively prospect doesn't get much in the way of final sales. Inherent neediness? Yea, most of us men have that: inherent neediness to get some hot action. Servicing it is not wrong, not in the least. If you want lots of women in your life, you have to ACT on your neediness. You have to get out and approac…
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:05 PM
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No special technique here. FORCE OF WILL, combined with LEARNING, which means REVIEWING YOUR FAILURES and addressing your sticking points, then practicing to eliminate those and improve. Remember, 97% of all opens will eventually (most sooner, some later) end up in "rejection", i.e., that woman is NOT going to fuck you. Just as in sales, 97% of all initial contacts will NOT lead to a final purchase. You have to cast a wide net, you have to "work the funnel", and you have to always improve your g…
/r/seduction09/04/19 04:48 PM
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Getting a # quickly through your looks isn't enough. You have to build some attraction (beyond just looks), and some connection, some interest, and some sexual tension (assuming your goal is seduction). So it's HOW you get that # that is important. I like Tom Torero's approach (see free youtube videos), I'm sure there are many others. Best of luck.
/r/seduction09/04/19 04:42 PM
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"You'll finally have someone with the stamina to keep us with you." ​ or ​ "It's okay, I won' tell your parents." ​ As for why...coming up with snappy replies takes a lot of skill and mental acuity, and in the middle of a conversation, our mind is awfully busy dealing with lots of things. "I should have said..." is an extremely common feeling, get used to it, keep working on it, and it'll happen less and less over time.
/r/seduction09/04/19 04:39 PM
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Run from speed freaks. Just run. You don't want any of that.
/r/seduction09/04/19 04:35 PM
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People want what they don't have. Take advantage of the human propensity.
/r/seduction09/04/19 04:07 PM
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Absolutely agree. Learn to go direct, post haste. Torero videos outline exactly how (free, youtube). Not hard at all. You'll get lots of "rejections" (opens that don't go far before terminating), but the ones that result in a # close are far, far, far more likely to eventually lead to a physical close, if played well.
/r/seduction09/04/19 03:23 PM
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Simple repetition of a mantra ("transcendental meditation"). Use "Om", or "Inga". Every time you find you mind wandering...gently return to repeating the mantra (in your head, not out loud). This is by far the easiest way to consistently get yours mind into alpha wave state.
/r/seduction09/04/19 03:16 PM
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This is the seduction sub so...if you want to seduce/fuck her, yes you should. If not, no. If you try, the worst that happens is she ignores you or says "not interested". 97% of all opens end in "failure" (no eventual sex). And every failure reaches it's moment of "rejection", sometimes 10 seconds after you attempt to open, sometimes months later when you are just about to put it in. If you want to chase, chase and expect and get comfortable with rejection. If you don't worry about rejection, th…
/r/seduction09/04/19 02:46 PM
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Use any damn name you want. ​ I like Eric, myself. Because I had cool cousins who were great with women named Eric.
/r/seduction09/04/19 02:26 PM
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Study Tom Torero's material on youtube. It will help (IMO). You are hugely on the right path, and if you keep working it, you are going to live a life of plenty (of women). Remember they say intermediate status might be achieved after 1000 (yes, 1000) opens...
/r/seduction09/04/19 02:21 PM
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Just learn to smile invitingly. And say "hi". And enjoy the moment. If the man doesn't respond to that, he's probably not worth pulling anyway. And yes, men who have it together will eventually run from an unhappy woman, who can make life miserable. Just as we often tell men here "work to improve yourself"...you might work to improve yourself.
/r/seduction09/04/19 02:11 PM
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My $0.02: you need to build a little more interest (attraction) in her before going for the close. Fantastic opener, you might have followed with some observations about her, ideally one or two positively oriented and one teasing a bit. Whatever she says in response, riff and vibe off it. As you go, some "grounding" (comments about yourself, your background, whatever). After several minutes of such convo, THEN say "hey I gotta get back to my workout, why don't you give me your number and we'll f…
/r/seduction08/04/19 08:04 PM
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You are not being seduced, you are being played by a clique of girls. The good news is, something about you is attractive to them. Pick one, approach her (alone), and start the process of learning how to interact successfully with girl (they aren't women yet). Be cool and fun flirtatious and not needy and don't take ANY shit test she throws at your seriously. I.e. she suggests you are gay, what do you do? You laugh and go along with it, emulate a gay, ask her if you "good", etc. Have fun. Give h…
/r/seduction05/04/19 07:55 PM
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Your AA is rooted in your social conditioning to believe that you are not entitled to approach, that is is "wrong", that it is a social taboo. ​ It'll never go away. As others have said, the more frequently, and the more quickly, you overcome you AA weasel and "just do it", the more you'll be able to overcome the AA weasel. It will at best go dormant...but stop approaching and the next time you consider it, weasel will be back telling you via your emotions "but you aren't supposed to do that!".
/r/seduction05/04/19 07:50 PM
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Except V.S. is junk product. Did she indicate she WANTS lingerie? If not, you are lowering your value by pushing it. If she has indicated she wants some, yea take her shopping, to a HIGH QUALITY lingerie store, not to a dump like V.S. That's chinese garbage, not comfortable, and won't last.
/r/seduction05/04/19 07:35 PM
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Oh, you want someone here to tell you how to start a business? I think that's probably a different sub, not "seduction". If on the other hand you want to share knowledge...share away!
/r/seduction05/04/19 07:11 PM
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Excellent advice here. You are competing with a world of stimulation. You have to stand out a little by not being an average choad. And text in general should be for arranging a date, and little more. As required to keep interest and MAKE A DATE. Always adjust to her "rate". Never come across needy. If she stops, wait awhile (days, perhaps a week or more), then just photo ping something fun from your life, very short note, to just remind her of your existence, your lack of any need for her, and …
/r/seduction05/04/19 07:09 PM
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Even seduction masters fail now and then? This statement is completely false. The best seduction masters working daygame succeed at a rate of 3%. That's right, about 3% of their opens result in eventual sex. They have to open 33 on average to score eventually with one. And that is for a top artist. Sure, there are some freaks of nature who might do better, but 99.99% of us aren't that guy, are we? To get to 3 % requires hard core (years worth) of work. Of course the fail isn't always in the open…
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:57 PM
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Yea...just remember, that while you are busy with all that bullshit of how to be a nice guy... ​ Some player just chatted her up, and is doing her in the bathroom as you mingle or make your big plans for a group hug in the park next weekend. Maybe even while you discuss the ball game with her boyfriend. She'll reappear in a few minutes with a big smile. ​ Learn to be that player, is my advice. Slow social game isn't really game at all. Don't confuse "being nice to women" with the art of seductio…
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:49 PM
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You are welcome. Knowing what to say/do and being able to do it live in front of the hottie your heart is literally beating hard for is obviously COMPLETELY different! Nothing teaches like experience. And most (including most here) have none of any significance. First, 100 opens...then 1000....then you are on your way!
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:23 PM
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No. ​ It may however dramatically affect your level of desire to "get girls", or more pragmatically cause you to put in far less or no effort. A dog that's just eaten a big meal (even if it was low in nutrition!) don't hunt. Your "ability to get girls" is your skill and your value. Your desire to get girls is orthogonal to your skill and value. Being sexually satisfied almost certainly reduces short term desire. And your actions...well, you may have very high desire, but your inner weasel often …
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:17 PM
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Her lack of response tells you what is the deal. You are likely coming across now as needy. Women hate that. Back off for a week or two, try again without being needy at all (no request, just a fun photo/msg). Don't be needy: go find some new opportunities! It's a world full of about 4 billion women.
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:10 PM
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It's said that a woman will give you one chance, and if you blow it, forget about it. That succubus comment might have been your one chance to to take action towards demonstrating your succubus skills (ha ha). Remember a woman's interest in you comes and goes like the time of day. Do not pester her. You might try a photo ping in a week or so, just a photo of a place you''ve been to thats cool/strange whatever, a very very short note (few words) about having fun. If she's interested, at some poin…
/r/seduction05/04/19 06:00 PM
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All I can say is, at some point in the evening when you were chatting with her alone, you should have said "hey I'd really like to take you out sometime, let me get your number and we'll make a plan". Not hard, and acknowledges that the evening your in isn't about you and her, it's about a group/bar scene. So at some point when you have the opportunity given the positive vibe, just make the request. The worst that happens? "No." All the other questions are too abstract for me.
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:53 PM
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Women expect the men to "pay the freight", Literally, or implicitly (i.e., you travel to her, not v.v.). So not really a shit test. Whether you go or not is your call based on whether you think overall she and the situation are worth the hassle. And I guess how hot you are for her, what other options you have, etc etc.
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:46 PM
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Give up on the immediate movie date. Wait 3-5 days...then photo ping her. Send her a photo of a location you are at having fun, include a very very short statement about it, and do not request a new date. Just keep her "on the line". Do that again after another week. If after that you get absolutely nothing, delete her #. But obviously the immediate date is a no-go, and in all likelihood, the whole thing is a no go, but it's just a little early to cut and run completely, IMO.
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:39 PM
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"serious with you" is not the same as "value you". I was a high value man to a woman for years. Hot sex every month or two. Neither of us had any desire or intention to "be serious". I valued her. She valued me. We both got what we wanted from the "relationship". Similarly, "really like you" doesn't mean "I want to be serious with you", nor does "don't want to be serious with you" mean "I don't like you". These are tangential things in the real world, and any combination of them is quite possibl…
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:32 PM
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Why ask her that? By definition it's okay; you are not in a declared monogamous relationship, in fact you aren't even having sex yet. So no, it's a bad idea, and if you think it might be weirdly manipulative of communicate something, even more reason to forget it.
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:27 PM
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After reading all the responses, I would say it's clear that most here have no experience with daygame, and responding from a place of "social norms" that just don't apply to the daygame model. The BF test is routine, and you CAN respond politely without disengaging, and in general there is no real blocker behind that statement. It's about at the level of a salesman trying to sell something and the potential customer saying "I don't really think I need that". What good salesman gives up right th…
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:17 PM
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To many, game period is "creepy". Much of our social training is that we men have no "right" to approach, we have no "right" to tell a woman she is attractive, we have no "right" to continue in the face of the slightest "negative" type of response. Not responding is a fine response. Just keep on talking about other stuff (her, ideally). Responding with a joke is a fine response. "Oh I've got one too, they are useful sometimes" with a devilish smile works. Responding politely and just continuing …
/r/seduction05/04/19 05:02 PM
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What high value woman doesn't have some kind of "boyfriend"? And what high value woman isn't going to throw that out there even if she doesn't (because having a boyfriend raises her social value)? Giving up and hoping she chases maaaaybe makes some sense in a bar/club (nightgame) scenario. In a daygame scenario, it's simply the wrong play, period. Expect the boyfriend test, and respond smoothly, any number of ways, from just outright ignoring it to joking about it to just saying "oh that nice". …
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:55 PM
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Also, your stacking is AWESOME. Clear you've been studying, or, you are a serious natural.
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:44 PM
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Direct is superior, by far. And you are already comfortable with it, so keep it up. Indirect generally goes nowhere, and has the horrible problem that you need to change the initial social dynamic from "I want your opinion" or "How are you?" to "I'm attracted to you and I want you to know it". Very hard to do successfully. The direct opener deals with that from the first words out of your mouth. Stay direct.
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:43 PM
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Do not get a daygame wingman. Daygame is a solo activity. Wingmen are for bars/clubs where there are no single/solo women, every woman is in a group, and you need "support". None of that exists in daygame. You approach single women. Some guy lurking around is the distance adds no value (unless you are using him as some kind of motivator, but you don't need that now). You'll also find that most of your friends will NOT like what you are doing, just as many respond here negatively to the basic gam…
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:40 PM
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Fantastic!!! You are inspiring my friend. Dedication and balls. ​ Now...DON'T LET THAT BOYFRIEND TEST STOP YOU IN YOUR TRACKS!!! The only scenario where it should is (a) you are ONLY interested in her as a monogamous girlfriend and (b) she really DOES have a boyfriend and it's serious and committed. Which you cannot know from her statement; it's a routine, almost required statement from her, is it not? Note that it immediately raises her social value in her own eyes, and let's face it, every dec…
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:23 PM
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Awesome breakthrough!!! Do remember that the same approach anxiety will hit you again...and again...and again. Expect more self-challenge, but if you've broken through once, you can and will break through again, until opening isn't "easy"...but it's reasonably natural. ​ Who's daygame material (which set of techniques) are you using? I'm a fan of Tom Torero's, tons of hugely informative free youtube videos on his "london daygame system", do check 'em out. ​ With your dedication to the effort and…
/r/seduction05/04/19 04:03 PM
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Awesome! Well done. Breaking through the initial approach fear is the hardest part! Well, it's the first hardest part. As for what the next step is, it begs the question: what's your goal? If are looking for a "girlfriend" where she will view you as "partner" etc that's more one path, vs. you are looking for a fuck buddy (this is the seduction sub, after all). But answering that question requires a book or two, so I won't even try. Be yourself, don't be needy EVER, posture yourself as living wit…
/r/seduction05/04/19 03:43 PM
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Intoxicated, a full reply would be a long chapter or more. There are many "theories" and methods. That said, I like the "London Daygame System" approach, where you immediately "stack" on your complementary opener with something observational about her, possibly presumptive (right or wrong doesn't matter!), with a goal of getting her to respond to your statement in a way that has her talking about her favorite subject...herself. I strongly recommend the Tom Torero free youtube videos on this subj…
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:48 PM
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Uhhhh...yea, daygame takes serious work. And most would say dedicated daygamers "try too hard". But don't confuse that with "it's misguided, there's an easier way". A really good daygamer might have one new woman every MONTH. The average human male has 7 sexual relationships in their entire life. So if you want more, you've got to "try hard". Nothing is free and nothing is easy. If you want to sell shit, you have to prospect, create "leads". No different with scoring with women. Nothing wrong wi…
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:35 PM
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Saying "your body looks really good" isn't likely to succeed. Obviously. And in fact, woman often LOVE being approached and told they look great. Many/most have never had that experience (not a cat call, a face to face honest compliment from yes, a complete stranger). People don't want to buy a product often when approached by a salesman either. And some small percentage of them end up buying! That's what daygame is about. Cold approach, "prospecting", and working a "sales funnel". 97% drop out …
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:32 PM
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But but but...what you are saying contradicts my experience, seriously, as well as the teachings of the best PUA's out there. But sure, I'm an idiot. Onward in my idiocy...trust me, I won't turn tail and run when she says I have a boyfriend. Assuming I will proceed as a jerk is a bad assumption on your part. I move forward with, in a sense, my own counter-test of "is that true and does that really matter to you relative to the possibilities with ME?". There's nothing idiotic about that. Humans a…
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:26 PM
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Of course, and through continued conversation, if that's the case, it'll become clear. Hey, 97% of all approaches end up at some point in "failure" (i.e., you didnt' end up having sex). Some are full stop after 30 seconds. Some takes months. Giving up at the first POSSIBLE shit test and just assuming said test is a total blocker will take that figure up to 99.9%, in my opinion.
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:22 PM
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Pressing is never right. A player continues only when they still have positive engagement. A mere "I have a boyfriend" isn't a definitive "go away I have zero interest" (though sometimes is may be). This is one of the most standard and well known tests in player-land, I'm really surprised people would think it's a full stop. Not even close.
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:20 PM
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Feel free to believe that. However, I can assure you, women throw that stuff out all the time (real, partially real or fully made up), and you can without a doubt work right through it. Think about it: if they might be interested in a one shot or a booty call relationship, what's critical? That you aren't a choad with issues about her "real" relationships! My most recent conquest, I remember plain as day the exclamation "I have a boyfriend!". A few weeks later I was tonguing her down in the park…
/r/seduction05/04/19 02:17 PM
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Nothing is wrong with you. You may find if you spend some time enjoying them up close and personal more, your viewpoint may change. Or it may not. You don't have to conform to the male norm of desiring nothing more than entrance to the glistening tunnel of lust. Go for whatever does turn you on (as long as it's legal). As for whether you are gay, there's a simple test: are you attracted to men? If not, you aren't gay. Maybe you are a "tit man", and all you want to do in your sex life is fuck tit…
/r/seduction04/04/19 08:11 PM
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This: " I guess I just can't talk to girls. I've been told I'm a bit unapproachable and intimidating " ​ You gotta fix that right there. LEARN HOW. Tons of material available, focus on the "daygame" material because night/club game is quite different and not anywhere near as general (IMO). PRACTICE. And this bullshit about not wanting a "reputation"? Focus on approaching/talkng with strangers; no risk of reputation issues in your social circle there. Over time, you will develop the confidence to…
/r/seduction04/04/19 08:00 PM
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Learn to "hit on them" with skill and tact, and you'll learn along the way how to respond to the same. Everybody has their favorite methods etc,, I like Tom Torero's because its highly functional and relatively simple and effective. Watch his introductory and infield videos on youtube and start transforming yourself from a choad with zero women skills to a confident alpha male. If women are approaching you, dude you don't have to do TOO much here to get into the flow and get your life with women…
/r/seduction04/04/19 07:49 PM
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All of that screams "beta male". Beta to "admit", double beta to instantly say "and now I'm running away". Yuck and yuck, hugely unattractive to a woman; that she is "thinking about it" indicates that in fact she DOES see something in you, and you did in fact have a little opportunity there, but it's pretty much gone now. You can improve, which starts with understanding the concept: an alpha male is confident and assumptive and in a world of plenty. An alpha male in general would have taken one …
/r/seduction04/04/19 07:21 PM
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The right answer as I see it. "Friendly" leads nowhere. Period, over and out. Okay, a nice short conversation, and if that's enough for you, awesome. If in fact your goal is "seduction" (i.e., sexing her), then many (including myself) think the best approach is to open "direct", making it as clear as possible with your words and your eyes and your smile what you are thinking of doing with her soon (getting nasty). The ideal is to leave no doubt in her mind after one minute of interaction that yo…
/r/seduction04/04/19 06:49 PM
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I have zero idea what you are talking about. Detract from gains? Waiting for pussy to come into my world? I'm lost. In my world, if I want pussy, I have to go hunt it, and aside from prep etc, the hunt really starts with opening a woman with an intention of eventually fucking her. If I don't do that, I ain't gettin' no pussy, unless I was to choose to pay for it. Women don't come on to me and offer themselves up. It's just like sales: you don't sell anything if you don't market, then prospect, t…
/r/seduction04/04/19 06:32 PM
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Okay. But know that you will not get anywhere with her with that approach. If you want to get in her pants (not everyone does, some want a girlfriend and to be a provider), then you are far better off opening direct, telling her she's is attractive to you in some way, right out of the chute. "You're looking awesome..." then when you get a response follow immediately with a comment about her, for example "I'd bet you're working out at least 3 times a week, maybe even more...". Don't ask a questio…
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:57 PM
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What???? A woman walking down the street or sitting on a park bench isn't there to "be approached" either. So YES, you CAN approach at the gym...at the supermarket...on the street...in the cafe. It's not a matter of locale. In my opinion. It's a matter of "approach", how you do it, that matters. I approached a woman yesterday standing by the tennis courts watching the high school boys play tennis. Passed on my bike, exchanged very nice smiles. Hung out for a few minutes a ways away, then came ba…
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:53 PM
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A woman saying she has a boyfriend is NOT A REJECTION. Or, perhaps 20-30% it will be...but assuming it is out of the chute is a fail. It's primarily a test, and you must pass it!
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:40 PM
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Not a good response; that fails her test. The test is whether you will be effected by this "news". Accepting it by saying "now you have 2" is a fail, IMO. She probably doesn't have one (so you failed), or, she does and doesn't want another (only one provider at at time), but maaaaybe...she'd like a booty call friend! So accepting it this way is also a fail in that situation. A simple clear response, "oh cool, well I have no interest in being your boyfriend, so <blah blah blah">. But saying now s…
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:38 PM
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The "I have a boyfriend" line is a test. You must pass it by remaining fun and non-plussed and interesting. Choices include completely ignoring it, or a joking response along any number of lines. Ideas: "cool, I've got one too, they are useful sometimes", or "great, he can go get us take out while we're busy", or just "that's cool, <on to something else>". Or with a devilish grin, "I'm going to pass on him, I doubt he's as sexy as you." Make it clear it means nothing to you, and you'll soon disc…
/r/seduction04/04/19 05:34 PM
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I would never, ever use a compliment about some specific physical aspect of her. That's not flirtatious, that's creepy in my book. I keep it general, "you are looking fantastic today" or some such. Just enough to communicate right from the start what my interest is, in a way that will snap her attention and scramble her mind just a little. Ideally stated with piercing eyes steady on hers, communicating "I want to fuck you". The other key to this method is to not ask questions, but instead make a…
/r/seduction03/04/19 02:40 PM
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#1, EYE CONTACT. from the very first. Think "I want to fuck this woman" as you look deeply into her eyes while discussing the ice cream she's eating (i.e., it matters zero what you are talking about, communicate with your eyes!). #2, kino. Escalate your touching of her, any way and every way you can. Start with the handshake; don't let it go!!! Hold it!!! Make her pull it away. Some women will let you hold on for minutes, and if so, DO IT. The back of the hand tap on the shoulder, the high 5, ha…
/r/seduction02/04/19 06:23 PM
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It's an excuse for not learning how to open and seduce person to person. Often.
/r/seduction02/04/19 06:11 PM
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Watch Tom Torero videos on approach/infielding. Great examples on the initial approach phase of the overall "sales process" of seduction. Like sales, you have to PROSPECT (approach) a ton, and the winnowing starts, with fallout all along the way, including one minute before PinV is about occur! Part of the game...
/r/seduction02/04/19 06:04 PM
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It's not about "the stuff". It's not about the money. It's about making her feel good. If we are talking about a goal of sex, vs. a goal of becoming her provider. Remember, women have two mating strategies: mate for provisions and protection, and mate for high quality DNA. It's the latter that drives so many women to cheat and/or fuck around. In my opinion. All that external stuff may help...but is far secondary to your interaction skills. While your are showing off your hot car and latest i-wat…
/r/seduction02/04/19 06:00 PM
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Interesting approach style. I prefer the London Daygame System: compliment, stack, vibe, ground, invest, close. The logic is simple: communicate immediately via your words and eyes (direct and piercing into hers) your sexual intent, in the mildest but clearest possible way. And the compliment is of HER, not of her clothes etc (a simple "you...look...great" suffices. The other feature of LDS is avoiding questions, at least in the first 90 seconds. Implied questions about her are what is best ("By…
/r/seduction02/04/19 05:54 PM
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Last Minute Resistance. Common/typical, it's almost "pro-forma". One key way to overcome it is to not reward it, instantly cool things off politely and agreeably..and let her pull you back into it.
/r/seduction29/03/19 06:29 PM
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I think went she went in LMR, you should have done a mild freeze out of some kind, rather than been "nice" to her (rewarding her, effectively) by laying with her and chatting. Up and off of the bed with "okay, I understand, it's cool". then out of the room and get some ice cream, etc. It was time for a push. IMO. Make her come pull you back into the room.
/r/seduction29/03/19 05:07 PM
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The love reflex is certain (>1/week for a few months, it'll kick in). If that's what you want, by all means! Just something to be aware of in life in general, and to manage...instead of letting it manage you, shall we say.
/r/seduction29/03/19 04:13 PM
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Well done. Try to make it happen with multiple other women, and don't get hung up on just this one. And if you do start seeing this one, remember the magic formula: seeing a woman more often than once per week, for several months, leads inevitably to this thing called the "love reflex" kicking in. Veeeeeery dangerous. Easiest way to avoid that condition is...see her less than 1x/week! Best of luck on more, as well as taking her to your bed soon.
/r/seduction29/03/19 02:16 PM
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Work on your seduction technique and develop a harem, not a "boyfriend/girlfriend" relationship dynamic. If you want to maximize your joy and fun in life and vastly reduce your pain over time. Then, there's no concept of "Break up", only, whether she's still actively on your list and to be worked for the next hook up, or not. As for "if a girl says", what does it mean question: FORGET ABOUT IT. No one knows what it means when a woman says something, and rarely even herself. Don't waste your ener…
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:37 PM
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Perhaps the better response is "yea, I think you are probably right", then continuing. ​ I don't think the position mattered, it was going to come up no matter what. A freeze out was probably needed. And FACE IT, sometimes LMR sticks and can't be overcome. It's all part of the "funneling" that happens: you love 80% in the first 2 minutes, you lose another 80% by failing to get a #, etc etc. Some take you all the way to the precipice only to say "no". However, after several days together at an ai…
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:30 PM
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My view is different. If she's shy, you just have to move slightly slower. But it's not a waste of time. Open the girl up and make her day. "Find an easier girl" is crazy, they are all "hard" in their own way, and a true "yes girl" is one in a thousand. Work with the bird in hand.
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:20 PM
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What is her nationality? Many races are conditioned to believe that direct eye contact is disrespectful. If it's a "go for it" (a kiss) situation, I'd tend to say it's not the time. Going for it should be part of a slow build up of seduction/touching. It's much easier to move from gently nibbling her ear to a kiss, than to come in cold!. Also, if you are rejected the first time, don't take it as a "no". Gently try again later as if it didn't happen, and very often the resistance will now be gone…
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:17 PM
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You did fine. Maybe a quick peck on the cheek after the hug as you are just about to turn to go would have been nice, but it's all good. Kissing (and kissing early) is overrated. Kissing is better initiated in private at or very near to your sex venue. I got shot down recently after an evening of outdoor extremely hot kissing with no available nearby venue, literally the woman couldn't stand and walk (the definition of "swooning"). A few days later, she went off to see the "real boyfriend", and …
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:14 PM
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Night game...just go for it, I suppose. I disagree with the "if you are not good looking 99% reject", I think women often/usually respond well to someone will excellent social skills. ​ As for rejects, it's a feature. If you aren't getting rejects, you probably aren't trying hard enough, or...you are damn good! ​ Daygame...you have no choice but to go for it. IOI's in daygame are not routine/common. You have to just approach. The best/most common IOI is nothing more than a returned smile...and t…
/r/seduction28/03/19 07:09 PM
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Classic. Congrats on getting to where you are. IMO the proper response to the boyfriend test is either completely ignore it or tease about it ("awesome, I have one too but we don't have to talk about him" for example). In other words, if you make it crystal to her that you couldn 't care less about a boyfriend, you are far far far more likely to move on to a sexual relationship with this girl. Whether she really has one or not. Women are more promiscuous than men, never forget it. Be the bad boy…
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:58 PM
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I'm going to try to actually address your questions. Should you invite her on another date? Well, do you like her, and want to spend time with her? Do you want to fuck her? If yes, then obviously yes. Kiss her in public, at this point? Absolutely not! You aren't a "couple". ​ Well, that's all the questions I see. As for her "go slow", I'd say that's used up now, and you should escalate next time you are heating it up in private. At least get her mouth on you. Why not? She wants to, I guarantee y…
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:53 PM
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My suggestion: don't fret so much about this or that girl. Sounds like you are having some success, keep it up and build yourself a harem. Some women will naturally "fall out", don't waste time/energy trying to reel them back, or "figure out" what's up, etc. Be a man and let them move on cleanly if they choose. Don't EVER express any neediness. Often, once you drop them (no further communication) they come running back. I'd say focus instead on building that list of fuck buddies. Nice work.
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:45 PM
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WTF is the deal with all this "what does she really mean when she says this, does that?". ​ WTF knows? NO ONE!!! She's a woman, and she doesn't even know herself. My $0.02: ignore all that! If you are attracted and would be happy to fuck her, then "approach" by telling her about your attraction, give her some shit about herself that will get her talking (about herself, always a woman's favorite subject), and proceed from there. If after giving her a direct compliment with a seductive smile and a…
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:37 PM
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Couldn't agree more. ​ Do make sure your teeth are reasonably white, your face is clear, and your breath is clean and fresh though. Those are important. Cologne...don't bother. In fact, overall, I'd say it's going to cost you more than it gains you. Certainly for daygame.
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:32 PM
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An awesome base line from which to take action. ​ The only thing I'd add is (1) work on improving yourself in every way, and (2) work on your seduction skilz. Game/seduction requires effort, learning, failures, improvement. It's not "enough" to just say fuck it and randomly open with weird random shit. But the fuck it mentality is a good baseline for getting of your AA duff.
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:29 PM
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Ignore her, be a man, continue to work on yourself, and approach/date other women. ​ Maybe that will have her coming back. Maybe not. The critical point is, you won't care.
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:24 PM
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In my experience, while there may be vague correlations...mostly you have ZERO CLUE what's going on in a woman's head. None. You can project all you want, assume that her saying/doing this means that...but it's all nonsense in your own head. My $0.02: just put your balls first and express your interest directly, if you are in fact interested. Hey, the worst that can happen is she says "no", or "sorry not really interested". But you WILL be surprised at how often they are, if your approach is CON…
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:20 PM
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Do what you have to do to break through your AA. That said, this is a crutch. Approaching women for directions, vague openers about the weather, etcetera, are not going to advance your intimate relationship interests. In my opinion. Such openers virtually never lead anywhere (most critically, to an # exchange or an instant date). You have open direct, you have to work through some vibing, get her hooked (she asks a question of you!), some grounding, some investment, then a # close. It starts wit…
/r/seduction28/03/19 06:11 PM
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Which is one of the many reasons why a direct opener is superior. Lead with your balls, and provide instantly clarity on the core of your interest. Opening indirect has the horrible problem not communicating your actual interest and intent, and if you don't open with it via a direct compliment, when are you going to introduce that? Probably never. Wasting your time, and hers. IMO.
/r/seduction28/03/19 05:57 PM
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The examples from the post are excellent; I can't improve on that! Note that a "spike" is a special type of flirt, one that is overtly sexual. If you want to build some sexual tension and move things along in that dimension, spikes are important. Spikes can also not be flirts, but rather conversational (i.e., you bring up the "subject" of orgasms...). ​ Best of luck!
/r/seduction26/03/19 05:18 PM
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Ignore their relationship status (unless you are actively looking for a woman to marry). It's not relevant. And remember that whatever they do tell may or may not be very accurate. As someone else said, asking also lowers your value.
/r/seduction26/03/19 04:28 PM
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Yea, getting your health and fitness and mental state all on the up and up is important. However...none of that is going to make you "stand out". It's going to ENABLE you, and SUPPORT you, but it won't make you "stand out". ​ To stand out, you have do #2. And to be successful, you have to do it often, and with continuous effort at improvement. All the others are merely background supportive elements at that point. The moment you approach, you are standing out, because 98% of men won't/don't.
/r/seduction20/03/19 04:28 PM
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I'd suggest freezing her out for several days to a week or more after her next refusal. Just ignore everything from her. Then just come back with "are you ready to go out yet?". You could spike it, too, ala "yes, that's all nice and I'll happily spank you for it when the time is right. Now, are you ready to go out yet?". You need to get control and not let her play you. She may just disappear at this point; be ready to accept that. Or...continue to be strung along.
/r/seduction20/03/19 03:27 PM
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How are you responding to the "I have a boyfriend" comment? I suggest you blow right through that with any number of responses, ranging from totally ignore it, to "that's awesome, I've got one too, they are handy sometimes", or just "that's nice". And continue on. It's probably 50-50 that they actually do, and for the 50% who do, it's "serious" only 50% of the time, and even for those...for they right guy, they'll play ball secretly. So don't let that test (and it's only a test) phase you.
/r/seduction20/03/19 03:13 PM
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What kind of opener are you using? Direct or indirect? I understand top daygamers have a ratio of 30-50 approaches per achievement of some consensual sex. So you should only view your results as positive. As the "Daygame Mastery" book says, your first goal is 100 approaches, then 1000, then you are on the path and getting some education. I like the London Daygame System myself (Tom Torero, check his youtube videos), which you might check out if you don't have a particular method (or reason for y…
/r/seduction20/03/19 02:51 PM
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Two suggestions: consume the free Tom Torero material on youtube, and search for an read the "Fearless Relentless Escalation" free pdf for an interesting perspective and set of recommendations (probably more oriented toward bar/club game vs. daygame but still really valuable). Best of luck.
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:03 PM
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I never said "Hey sexy". I said a direct compliment, which can be as subtle as "hey I really like your style!". However, I must qualify what I said as more oriented towards cold opening in day game. The compliment has to be sincere...and followed immediately by some additional observation, or assumption (with implied question), etc. Oh yea, many will reject. Many will kind of engage. Many will fully engage. But as a technique for a club/bar? May not be the best, I suppose "it depends". I'm not a…
/r/seduction03/02/19 03:20 AM
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Honestly? forget her. billions of women on the planet. change your frame, overcome your approach anxiety, learn to open with a direct compliment, how to stack and vibe and ground over the course of 5-8 minutes. LEARN TO PHYSICALLY ESCALATE. Search for "fearless relentless escalation" and read the free PDF book online, it's GOLD. Forget the girl who you've been texting with for months. Or (the ONLY other alternative): JUST ASK HER OUT right now, and if it's on, it's on. If not, MOVE ON!!! My $0.0…
/r/seduction01/02/19 08:45 PM
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The best way to cold approach a woman (who you want to fuck, not sell something to!) is with a direct opener while giving piercing eye contact. "Hi, I noticed you walking by and I just have to say...you look really nice!". Deliver is slow, and low (voice tone). Piercing eye contact. With a slightly smirking lopsided, closed mouth smile (consider the most sexual). Immediately as/after she responds in some way, stack with another comment (NOT a question!) about something about her. Anything works.…
/r/seduction01/02/19 04:45 PM
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Well, if you want to continue to have them around when you are on the hunt, you'd better talk pick up with them. Tell 'em straight up how you want and need them to behave. Better yet, focus on ONE guy who you think would make a good wingman, and develop him. If they aren't interested and/or keep acting like douches, find new friends for pick up, or, just go solo. Don't tie yourself down.
/r/seduction01/02/19 04:40 PM
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IMO text has one and only one purpose: a means of coordinating a live date. And perhaps putting in some sexual spikes as that process of arranging a date moves forward. As a communication vehicle for developing or continuing a relationship...nope. Fuhgeddaaboudit. You might try stopping the texting per se, and just photo ping her once in awhile. An interesting/odd photo (NOT OF YOU!) of you out having a grand time. Maybe your hand in the frame pointing at whatever. A very short few words with it…
/r/seduction01/02/19 04:37 PM
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I believe the key to avoiding the friendzone is to immediately, within the first MINUTE of interaction with a new woman, make it clear you are attracted to her and interested in her sexually. That's as simple as your opener: "you look really fine!". With steady and piercing eye contact. The eyes communication your intent and desire! Key in on the bridge of her nose and HOLD IT far longer than normal; show her you are on the hunt!. The two together instantly telegraphs that you desire her sexuall…
/r/seduction01/02/19 03:51 PM
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Dig deep into the Tom Torero materialso on youtube on how to approach woman (his "London Daygame System"). It's gold. Note that one of his maxims is that your total time spent with a woman in a cold approach scenario is less than 10 minutes or so. At that point, you want to use a time constraint ("gotta run to meet my friends!") and get her number for a later attempt to arrange a date ("hey I really like you, let's go out sometime, what's your number?" as you pull out your phone). Along the way,…
/r/seduction31/01/19 06:56 PM
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Yes, it is creepy for the women. Particularly when it's "recurring" and you aren't approaching. Our eyes are face forward because we humans are HUNTERS. And woman getting repeatedly scoped feels hunted. Scoping them when they are clearly not seeing you doing so...well, who's to know? If you want to APPROACH, the last thing you want is for them to be aware for any extended period (more than say, 3 seconds!) that you are scoping. Just...approach!!!
/r/seduction31/01/19 06:48 PM
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I believe a far superior approach is the simple line, "Hi, you look fantastic" (or dreamy or nice or beautiful etc etc etc). Direct and clear about your interest. Don't wait for much of an answer...STACK!!! Immediately make a (non-questioning!) comment about her, maybe with a twist. Maybe she looks exotic, "you look exotic, like maybe you're from Brazil or...". Or she's wearing some hot pink, "I love that color on you, reminds me of a flamingo I once knew". What you are doing here is enticing he…
/r/seduction31/01/19 06:02 PM
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Your comment about "oneitus" is golden. Soooooo many men fall prey to going nuts over the first women they ever hook up with...because they are in a world of scarcity. They grab and cling to that one, the first ever to show them affection, and the chance that it's "right for life" is in fact slim to none. This is why "getting it right with women" (which is no more than how to interact with them, show them fun, show them comfort, show the safety, and show them your own value) is so huge: you can …
/r/seduction31/01/19 03:54 PM
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Lol!!! Be suspicious as you choose dude; paranoia can be fun. But my story is absolutely true. She is/was a Chinese exchange student at UCSF, met her outside her apartment which is right next to an arcade in the city where I play pinball. Very quickly we were doing walks in the park, then visiting the beach, then a state park/redwoods, visit to the museum, all while she absolutely drilled into my sordid history with women (wife and others). This gal tested out at #20 out of 200,000 in the Chines…
/r/seduction31/01/19 03:23 PM
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Exactly. It's a "hey, I don't want to be FRIENDS...I want to be your booty call" message. Of course, if pushed, sure, I have female friends, but that's not how I'm interested in YOU. It's cocky and it communicates intent, and definitely helps avoid the "friend zone"!
/r/seduction31/01/19 02:28 PM
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Avoid friend zone from the very first moment of interaction. How? #1: open directly with clarity about her being attractive to you ("you look...really good!" works, and there are 10,000 variations!), and secondly do it while being tiger eyes right into hers. And never accept any suggestion of "friends" from her: respond with "sorry, I don't have any female friends". If she mentions a boyfriend, try "cool, I have one too", or, "that's nice because I don't' want to be your boyfriend". If she asks …
/r/seduction30/01/19 06:37 PM
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Excellent over of good game! I highly recommend the Tom Torero material on youtube, he has LOADS of free videos of himself and students in action, full description of his model ("the london daygame system"), etcetera. Fantastic stuff for newbies. His approach is DIRECT: you man up and approach the woman who interests you and you tell her right up front ("I just had to stop and tell you....you are very....attractive" in a slow and deep voice with EYE CONTACT). Then stack: immediately make an assu…
/r/seduction30/01/19 06:25 PM
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(Cough, cough...)...I'm 60, and had a 10 week relationship with a 20 year old. Sadly, she got buyer's remorse after things got hot between us, just before she left and visited her "serious boyfriend" for 10 day vacation over the holidays. Maybe she'll recover and reconnect to catch the joy again...and no, it had nothing to do with money, I may have spent $100 on her over 10 weeks. It's about being the cool fun person with whom she can connect and open up with safety and comfort. Okay, IMO.
/r/seduction30/01/19 06:08 PM
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