Governments Screw Over Men Who Don’t Want to be Fathers

nigglereddit · 2014-03-06T14:31:31+00:00

This is simple.

The problem is not rights or responsibilities, it's that one side (women) has all rights and no responsibilities, while the other (men) has all responsibilities and no rights.

The solution is to match rights with responsibilities. Anyone freely laying claim to a right has to accept the responsibility that goes with that right.

Allowing unilateral abortion is an obectively worse solution than allowing men to opt out: the former grants all rights to the woman and none to the man, while the latter grants rights to whomever chooses to freely claim them, as long as they accept the associated responsibilities.

If a woman chooses to have a child alone then that is her right - but she must accept the responsibilities that go with that right; to support the child, abort, adoption or other.

In fact the only permutation of this formula which presents a problem still favours the woman: the unavoidable scenario in which she chooses to abort and he doesn't. This cannot be resolved by clever ethics and tricks; we cannot realistically expect a woman to bear a child against her will and the abortion should proceed - if anyone knows of a better solution let me know because I don't.

If a child is created equally, equal rights should apply where possible, with parties laying claim to those rights accepting the resulting responsibilities. At the moment none of those are true. That's a huge problem.

VortexCortex · 2014-03-06T13:13:30+00:00

When men move past that this is unjust and resign themselves to prevention and don't get into trouble in the first place the government will start to show its true colors and begin to restrict rights even more. Worst case you will be assigned a woman by the government. Think about it. No different from the draft. Maybe it will be part of the draft.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same...

Could very well be that low birth rates will be declared a domestic enemy of the United States and men will be drafted in to combat this enemy. As more women, in particular feminists, take control over the military they could very well start with their dubious game of language with what constitutes enemies.

2014-03-06T18:18:43+00:00

You know there's a problem when the sentence for poisoning his girlfriend will probably be less invasive than the sentence for being a parent.

ilovenotohio · 2014-03-06T14:11:12+00:00

I'm not sure how I feel about this. For a society to function optimally, you need births and parents together. Those parameters produce the most successful outcomes. It doesn't matter the gender of the parents, or if they're married, but two parent households are best. This should be incentivized heavily.

And people who choose to forego that should not be penalized.

But if too many people are foregoing that, then in order to avoid collapse, t needs to be fixed, deterred, or whatever.

That's a tricky balance.

Title	Governments Screw Over Men Who Don’t Want to be Fathers
Author	VGwritesalot
Upvotes	46
Comments	5
Date	March 6, 2014 12:19 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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