Men, Privilege and Violence

theAnalepticAlzabo · 2012-07-23T17:03:40+00:00

So, this female gets it, sorta. She is understanding that men, when completely marginalized by society and given no way to succeed, are more likely to snap and start shooting people.

She just couches the atomization of the family in terms of "the loss of male priviledge".

I guess, to a woman, the status of human being is a 'priviledge'; at least when it applies to men.

cthulufunk · 2012-07-23T17:56:14+00:00

They say privilege all the time without understanding the meaning of the word. One's privilege is directly proportional to their responsibilities. What they're talking about is advantage. When you take away someone's advantages, they become disadvantaged and prone to acts of desperation.

One could create a neverending list of women doing horrible things too..but since the violence and aggression of women tends to be more covert or subtle, it's the overt instances that the media focus on. The term "microaggression" came from the feminist camp, and as it is with most of their neologisms, it's projection. What aside from "gender microagression" better describes the constant barrage of hateful memes that "men are evil"?

MaunaLoona · 2012-07-23T17:50:14+00:00

Replace all instances of "privilege" with "human rights".

bikemaul · 2012-07-23T18:35:07+00:00

However, there is an enormous difference between where my anger stems from and the case I am making here, and this may have a direct effect on the response. I think that the negative emotions involved grow much stronger much faster, if this opposing fraction of society threatens one’s priviliged position within these belief-structures – i.e. the position of a man dominating over women, the entitlement to certain advantages or a certain lifestyle – and when this entitlement is disappointed, resentment and anger ensues and the will to retaliate, to “take back” the entitlement with any means possible, leads to the only conclusion: the use of force. You can see this sort of rhethoric used on particular websites of the men’s rights movement and right-wing blogs.

The recession has destroyed countless lives. A generation ago, talented (grad school level) people could have been moving up in careers and often have houses and families. Instead we have student debt and maybe minimum wage jobs. They dare to tell us feeling swindled and angry is racist/sexist/privileged. We were told to do what we loved and when we get here we are forced to support Wall street and PERS spiking. Frankly, I'm surprised more people don't snap. Realistically, this generation will not recover and get on it's feet in time for retirement.

2012-07-23T20:07:00+00:00

Only a tiny, tiny percentage of people do things like this. There is nothing about "men" that makes them violent. These people are verry rare exception, nothing more.

XNA232Stang · 2012-07-23T20:03:28+00:00

If the author of that blog seriously thinks that men will snap when they lose privilege, then she is very anti-male. That's a subtle way of saying all men are violent, even if she does blame it on the patriarchy.

There's one common thread between the men that commit mass murder: narcissism/psychopathy. Not patriarchy.

Yes, men are more prone to lash out with violence to perceived negative circumstances, but this doesn't change the fact that women are about as violent. A woman who chases her kids around the house because they're trying to escape being drowned one-by-one is told she has a syndrome, and so she isn't a "violent woman" she's a "ill woman".

However, the fact that men and women both express violence differently changes nothing. Violence is violence, whether it's linked to perceived powerlessness in a supposed patriarchy, or whether it's linked to perceived powerlessness of being a stay-at-home mother.

I would suggest that these recent shootings have almost nothing to do with the stated motivations in the manifestos, or political leanings, etc. These are men who are driven by frustration, through their own disempowerment, and enabled by psychopathy/narcissism to do what they do. Simple as that. You can change the circumstances, and maybe the motivations would change, but the results would be the same.

It should be noted that there are cultures where these sorts of killings don't happen, and the common thread in these cultures is that they're collectivist and have strong safeguards which discourage narcissism. Of course, as those safeguards are lowered, even these cultures are seeing more and more of these styles of killing.

The long and short of it is, feminism and gender issues has almost nothing to do with it (except in predicting what kind of people will commit certain kinds of violence).

newmobsforall · 2012-07-24T04:27:37+00:00

The whole term of "privilege" is a terrible, terrible term that does nothing but belittle the experiences of others and shut down any kind of meaningful dialogue that could be had.

Title	Men, Privilege and Violence
Author	thetrollking
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Date	July 23, 2012 12:58 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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