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Imagine the roles reversed.

mavriksfan11

August 5, 2011

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Title	Imagine the roles reversed.
Author	mavriksfan11
Upvotes	7
Comments	35
Date	August 5, 2011 12:28 AM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/j9d8o/imagine_the_roles_reversed/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/imagine-the-roles-reversed.1036261 https://theredarchive.com/post/1036261

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Alright--any attractive woman. See, while I know perfectly well that American women have impossibly high standards for men and pretty much universal revulsion towards the rest, men aren't nearly so spoiled for choice. You might think a nearly 60-year-old television presenter isn't exactly a hot item, but there are more than a few guys who would be very flattered to be receiving that kind of attention from Meredith Vieira, or literally any woman of her caliber.

Furthermore, men are so rarely flattered at all by their partners--either for our dress, our hair, our choice of cologne, or anything about us--that we would be happy just to be noticed. Whereas women not only expect, but often demand to be noticed, respected, lusted after, and flattered all in the same breath: got a new dress? Better comment on it, but only on how pretty it is, even though the neckline plunges to her belly button, you pervert! Got a new haircut? If you don't notice it, you're "in the doghouse," so be glad your master keeps you on a loose leash! Lost a few pounds? She has become the embodiment of sexiness, but woe to the man who compliments her on being skinnier, implying that you didn't like her as much when she was fat! For an insult of that magnitude, there is no suitable punishment.

Frankly, I think most guys in relationships dress down simply because they have no reason to improve themselves. If they dress well, their haircut is all wrong; if they get a haircut, they need to lose a few pounds; if they lose a few pounds, now they're getting too sexy and the woman feels insecure and takes it out on him. At every stage of the long-term relationship, women's feelings are paramount, eclipsing all other concerns. Who would want to be a second-class citizen in that environment?

[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Whatever kind of girlfriends you had must have sucked man because this whole tirade:

men are so rarely flattered at all by their partners--either for our dress, our hair, our choice of cologne, or anything about us--that we would be happy just to be noticed. Whereas women not only expect, but often demand to be noticed, respected, lusted after, and flattered all in the same breath: got a new dress? Better comment on it, but only on how pretty it is, even though the neckline plunges to her belly button, you pervert! Got a new haircut? If you don't notice it, you're "in the doghouse," so be glad your master keeps you on a loose leash!

Sounds nothing like any woman I've ever met (well, there are a few, but none that I've dated).

if they lose a few pounds, now they're getting too sexy and the woman feels insecure and takes it out on him. At every stage of the long-term relationship, women's feelings are paramount, eclipsing all other concerns. Who would want to be a second-class citizen in that environment?

You must have had a terrible partner. I'm sorry, and she sounds like a huge bitch. Not all women are like that man.

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As the article pointed out, shaming tactics are misdirection designed to negate the truth value of a particular statement by claiming it was emotionally motivated and thus only an emotional appeal (not subject to claims of truth or falsehood). I claimed that women and men are socially on different planes with regards to the attention that is socially expected to be paid to them; women have the opportunity to make claims for attentions that men simply have no analogue. In fact, we go so far as to call men's sexuality (gay) or virility (metrosexual) into question when they actually do decide to take fashion into consideration. They will also inevitably run into the problem of a lack of fashionable clothing options for men (especially with regards to shoes and clothing that accentuates their bodies).

Society as it is regards only half of the species as anything special in the looks department; the best-looking men are just men in suits (i.e., "Mad Men"), of the same general cut and style, covering up a man's entire body and only vaguely distinguished by a flashy tie, cufflinks, or gasp! a pocket square. These are not choices--they are stale old saws, designed to make all men uniform drones, replaceable and unimportant. If a man dared to wear eye-catching jewelry at work, a kilt that showed off his calves, or a tastefully unbuttoned shirt (like women are allowed to wear...), he would be considered tragically fashion-insensitive and a laughingstock at best, in violation of the dress code at worst.

[–]mavriksfan111 point 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

As the article pointed out, shaming tactics are misdirection designed to negate the truth value of a particular statement by claiming it was emotionally motivated

Right, thus exonerating the speaker of ever being emotionally motivated to speak. If you were truly being emotionally motivated to say what you did, I couldn't call you out on it because of that article.

In fact, we go so far as to call men's sexuality (gay) or virility (metrosexual) into question when they actually do decide to take fashion into consideration.

Yeah, again. Neither me nor any of my friends do this, and we live in the South. I have a friend who wears tight v neck shirts and skinny jeans all the time and no one calls him gay. It's a fashion choice. And he has a girlfriend. I understand what you describe about social norms, but you have to realize that it's not always like that everywhere.

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