A girl from my old high school started the Just Yell Fire movement a while back. What's MR's opinion on it?

fishwish · 2010-11-29T10:07:36+00:00

Self defense is best taught in person with the students practicing it. I understand they don't have the budget to do that. But if they are going to try and do the video only option, I think they need to lay out ways for the girls to practice these techniques on their own in the video.

You can't just tell people how to fight. You need to get them to practice ahead of time so that they are confident and more sure of themselves when something happens.

2010-11-29T22:20:28+00:00

on a quick lookover it seems to

a) teach women how to defend themselves if attacked b) teach women how to set limits in a dating context

i think both of those are good things. especially the second; i like bedding girls, but only when they want it to happen.

CaptSnap · 2010-11-29T21:00:33+00:00

In my opinion, these kind of movements are spawned from a false rape statistic. Everyone is familiar with the 1 in 4 women are raped. Its by a study Koss did for Ms (thats a feminist magazine) where she concluded 1 out of 4 college aged women will be raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. So what happens is the statistic is screwed around until its repeated as 1 in 4 college women will be raped to all the way 1 in 4 college freshmen will be raped by thanksgiving.

The problem is the whole thing is bullshit. See the only way Koss can get her numbers to generate headlines (thats dollars for those in academia) is to assume that the women who responded did not know they were raped. So you ask them questions such as, "8. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?" And the respondent goes..well shit, that bartender was a man and he served me a beer and then i had sex later that night even though I had convinced myself i didnt want to have sex that night earlier..so i guess ill check yes. Well Koss would count that as a rape. Im dead fucking serious.

If you ask women if they were raped. Just straight out ask, honey were you raped? Then the number falls to what you would expect, a high of 1 in 12. Its still serious, but its not a goddamn crime spree.

So whats the result of all this misinformation? First is money. Koss's bullshit study was the catalyst for the Violence Against Women Act. If your unfamiliar with it its the act that gives colleges and schools money to spend to prevent men from raping women. It also gives them money to pump out studies to confirm that while they are stemming the tide of male aggression, they still need more money to prevent rape.

So whats the end result? We've got nearly a generation of kids that honest-to-god believe all men are rapists and its only by pure chance that a girl can live her life and not be raped.

In my college we have entire dorms of girls that are absolutely PETRIFIED of men.

I wont bore you with the studies and the counter-studies but there is a really good concise critique of Koss's methodology and how 1 in 4 gets more rape-dollars because its sensational than the truth, and thats why this kind of crap is perpetuated. click me

In every single study about rape incidence the researcher can only arrive at some highly inflated, but very sensational number, if they decide the respondent was raped. In every single case if you ask the respondent, were you raped, you will get vastly deflated numbers.

Lets say I wanted to do a study on if women were bad drivers and I asked "Was there a women anywhere on the freeway when you had your accident?" If so it was caused by women being bad drivers.

vs

"Did a woman cause you to wreck your car?"

im serious... its that convulated and bullshit

Tell your friend to stop spreading lies and hate.. im all for self defense but fear mongering movements designed to do nothing but fill everyone's heads with hate is a travesty.

AnnArchist · 2010-11-30T04:39:11+00:00

Just yell fire sounds really fucking scary. . . .

"IDK if that was sexual assault, but lets ruin his life anyway"

I haven't seen any of the methods to their teaching yet. But I'm sure some fucked up things will pop up sooner or later.

2010-11-30T06:45:43+00:00

In one sense, it is good advice - people respond more to "fire!" than they do to "help!", they at least see what is going on.

On the other hand if I start hearing "fire!" every time someone bumps into someone at the store, I'm just going to start ignoring it.

thetrollking · 2010-11-30T12:13:02+00:00

This is bullshit. If anything we should be teaching people to de-escalate fights instead of escalating them. Believe it or not there are some people that are always looking to either be a victim or to start a fight. Sometimes they come into contact with each other. But most people who even start fights don't actually want to end them.

There are two basic types of thugs. There's the beta who wants to prove himself to other betas by starting fights and then theres the alphas. The alphas control the group and they are the scary ones. They will kill you or beat you down just to create better group cohesion among the betas.

2010-11-29T20:25:25+00:00

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Title	A girl from my old high school started the Just Yell Fire movement a while back. What's MR's opinion on it?
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Date	November 29, 2010 9:07 AM UTC (15 years ago)
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