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Women Who Like to Be Dominated in Bed: Talking to BDSM Submissives | Sex & Relationships | AlterNet

thetrollking

November 2, 2010
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Title Women Who Like to Be Dominated in Bed: Talking to BDSM Submissives | Sex & Relationships | AlterNet
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thetrollking

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Date November 2, 2010 12:31 AM UTC
(15 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BDSM is an entirely different and independent subject.

When it comes to consensual BDSM and safe, sane, consensual - we are really talking about a different world that actually has some equality in it.

[+]TheEnlightener -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women Who Like to Be Dominated in Bed

Could also have rephrased this as simply...

Women

[+]thetrollking[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You know, reading through it I had one main thought. It was about how the submissive controls what the dominant does and actually has all the power. If we apply this to feminist patriarchy theory I think it makes a lot of sense. Why do women shame men, 'would you say that to your mom/sister/daughter/wive/gf', if not to keep us in line? They claim men are dominant in every way in our society but those men at the top work for womens benefit by passing laws or building things for women.

[–]rwan 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In a BDSM relationship, both people have consented to their roles ahead of time, and there are conversations about what both people are okay with. This isn't true for gender roles, so you can't just say whomever's submissive necessarily has the power. Similarly, a slave is submissive but does not have all the power. BDSM seems to be much more about roleplay and fantasy than about actual power.

[–]ignatiusloyola 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a very, very interesting analysis. I need to think about that one more.

[+]TheEnlightener -10 points-9 points-8 points 15 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

NAWLT!

Only 90% of them are.

Just as 90% of women are bad at videogames, bad at driving, bad at engineering, enjoy snickering over Lorena Bobbit, love their privileges over men, and whine about "male privilege".

wink

[–]ignatiusloyola 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Joking or not, it is comments like this that give this subreddit a bad name. This comment was reported - while I think it is in bad taste, is a display of ignorance, and it outright counter productive, I let it go and preferred to give my own opinion on it.

You have no evidence that 90% of women are any of those things. In fact, as an Engineer, my experience is that 90% of both genders are bad at Engineering. But the biggest deciding factors of success in the applied sciences are interest and drive. Regardless of gender, those two overcome anything else.

If you want to be anti-feminist, go for it. If you want to be anti-women, then there is a different subreddit for that.

[–]TheEnlightener 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You are living in a bubble if you really believe all that, and obviously you haven't learned much about the bell curve of the sexes (not genders), which surprises me. You're assuming what you'd like to be true is actually true. I am actually just basing my opinions on observations regardless of what I personally feel. The 90% is an exaggeration perhaps, but I can't see how someone could not realize more men are naturally better at videogames, driving, and engineering than women. I mean, damn, look around you. Women may be less inclined to start playing videogames, but as I'm a gamer myself, I know very well that women who do play are less likely to be any good. Throughout my years driving, I've had far more trouble with women drivers who aren't paying any attention to what they're doing or just have no idea what to do in a normal driving situation, than male drivers. And I've gone through engineering university and work as an engineer. The percentage of good women engineers is simply less than the percentage of good male engineers. That's to be expected as women have special privileges bestowed on them to become engineers. They also tend to do the easier, more tedious work but still get paid less than men. Honestly a few of the women at my work who get paid as engineers are really just secretaries with a degree and they don't have a good grasp of the technical aspects at all. They are not engineers at all, really.

I mean, it's actually quite preposterous that equal numbers of males and females would make for good engineers. That has nothing to do with being anti-woman. After all, I think at least 90% of men are bad at bearing children from their wombs. I'm merely pro-facts. Igs, you really need to stop blinding yourself because of what you want to be true. Be real, man.

[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, shut up.

You aren't pro-facts, you are anti-fact and pro-bias.

At no time did I ever say there were equal numbers of good Engineers or that there should be, I just called the guy on the bullshit, entirely fabricated statistic.

If you were pro-fact, you would do the same. It is called "citation needed".

What I said was that 90% of both genders are bad at Engineering. That doesn't just include the people who go into the field, but all people in general. Most people do not display any semblance of skill in the key traits that make a good Engineer - logic, application of theory, grasp of physical systems.

I have long been sold on the idea that the sciences are dominated by males due to the bell-curve issue, and I don't really need you spewing unfounded reasoning with strongly generalized comments about women. If you want to talk about averages, then say that. But when you say "women are..." then you are generalizing, and you are just giving feminists ammo to say "Look, these people are sexist!"

If you want some real reading on the subject, something that isn't anecdotal, here you go: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/math2.htm

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