Pay gap persists or NOT?

shady8x · 2009-09-13T17:07:05+00:00

maybe we should close the death gap first?

Oh I forgot, women being payed a bit less(well the ones with families on whom they spend a lot of time and therefore work less...) is far more important than there being so many more men dying on the job than women. I guess we shouldn't even try to make the jobs men do, safer... we should just pay them less for doing dangerous jobs. /what is actually hapenning

marktully · 2009-09-13T14:19:33+00:00

Fuck studies. Census data FTW.

<3 Warren Farrell.

BinaryShadow · 2009-09-14T04:08:28+00:00

The Pay Gap exists only when it will benefit women to correct. Women making more than men...well that's just because they are more valuable.

2009-09-14T02:13:30+00:00

In some fields, such as real estate sales, females are often the highest earners.

Research and studies have nullified the knee-jerk rhetoric so many females spew with no basis in reality.

svonnah · 2009-09-14T03:07:31+00:00

Every time I scroll by that title I see it as 'Gay Pap'. It takes me like three seconds of concentrating before I can see 'pay gap'.

hatekillpuke · 2009-09-14T19:52:38+00:00

All in all, a good article that had many points that spur discussion. Here's a few that caught my eye.

women expect less and negotiate less pay for themselves than do men. Researchers have found that women expect less, see the world as having fewer negotiable opportunities, and see themselves as acting for what they care about as opposed to acting for pay.

It was really interesting that this point was brought up,

How can one measure such a factoid? I honestly don´t know.

But then a let down that very little attempt was made to discuss it. It makes me a bit uncomfortable that women are somehow get to thinking that they shouldn't negotiate salairies and should expect less money for the same work as men. A look into the root causes that make women feel this way would have fit nicely into the discussion here.

among people ages 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98 percent of men's. Women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points. Claims of unequal pay almost always involve comparing apples and oranges.

This is great! I'm sure we'll all be happy when we can close that 2 to 10 percent, and put this issue to bed forever.

Women are more likely to enter and leave the workforce to raise children, take care of elderly parents or move with their families. Working mothers are nearly twice as likely to take time off to care for their children as are working fathers in dual-earner couples.

It's too bad that because of societal gender roles that many men don't feel as free as women to leave the workforce for similar reasons. A lot of kids could really benefit from some stay-at-home dad time, to reinforce a positive male presence in their life.

women gravitate to sectors of the economy that compensate workers at lower levels

I personally know many women who have gone through school, gotten advanced degrees to go into fields like social work that are notoriously low paying. In part, these fields seem to be low paying because the subject of the work (in the simplest sense, helping other people) is less valued than work done in higher paying fields. I, for one, wouldn't mind being part of a more compassionate society that saw more value in fields like social work.

fight women´s "indoctrination" (which some assume there is) with another kind of indoctrination? Well I don´t think so as I certainly believe that women have free will.

Of course they do, but until actively exposed to some really strong undercurrents in our society that shape the way that both men and women act, neither women nor men are able to make the the sort of fully informed choices that the ought to. I think that particularly if more men were made aware of the forces that fit them into typical masculine gender roles they might step back from working themselves to death and spend more time caring for their families, which would be good for everyone.

Title	Pay gap persists or NOT?
Author	Feckless
Upvotes	11
Comments	7
Date	September 13, 2009 10:59 AM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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