feminist parties are with time going to rise as a new enemy of those who wish to live in a free society.

serume · 2009-02-25T15:13:25+00:00

The only real point the author makes is the question about paternity leave. It's a valid concern, how much say should the government have in our personal decisions? Clearly some, that's why we have laws. But where do you draw the line?

I've recently been introduced to the idea of the wage gap being a product not of gender discrimination, but of personal choices mostly having to do with children. If that's true, what, if anything, should be done about it?

Apparently, we're not happy with the status quo. From what I've read, men want to have more say in the lives of their children. Men want to be seen as the default parent as much as the mother is. But perhaps not give up the power and money that comes from working.

Women want to be able to earn money and power, but still have a family. But perhaps they (we) don't want to give up being the parent, i.e. giving up the power they already have.

So, how do we fix this? A good start is making men take more time for their children. And at the same time forcing women to let the men in. Is legislation a good answer? If not, what are the options?

kanuk876 · 2009-02-25T18:33:17+00:00

FTA:

"For it is a characteristic of socialism to discover in social institutions the origin of unalterable facts of nature, and to endeavor, by reforming these institutions, to reform nature."

To expand what I think this quote is saying...

Social institutions are constructed with consideration for facts of nature.

Socialists see that consideration without seeing the underlying facts of nature.

Or, the socialists disagree what the facts of nature are. To whit: the feminist ideological theory that gender is 100% socially constructed.

Based on my experience with systems and genetic algorithms, I believe gender has genetic roots, and then society adds components on top of that. Meanwhile, evolution is selecting for both genetic and social attributes. Evolution selects for both nature and nurture.

It's hard for us to understand the complex relationship between nature and nurture. Maybe our first mistake is believing they are separate entities.

Title	feminist parties are with time going to rise as a new enemy of those who wish to live in a free society.
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Date	February 25, 2009 1:30 PM UTC (17 years ago)
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