I just almost finished the prince andrew interview, it was so cringe I couldn't complete it. It is crazy to think that us low status men have to pay for all the wrongdoings of these high status male, exploiters of humanity.

azazelcrowley · 2020-08-01T10:37:35+00:00

If you notice how the media is spinning this, you'll notice that high class men have the same protection and spin as women in general. "Forced to have sex with" is a term only applies to rapists who are women, or powerful men. Other men get called "Rapist.".

When the extent of female privilege is such that they're getting the same treatment as royalty, that might be suggestive. It also undermines the argument that the reason women rapists aren't treated seriously is to do with masculine norms, since the powerful are held to embody those norms.

What you'd expect to see if feminism were accurately describing reality is women and poor men who are rapists getting the "Forced to have sex" treatment, but rich men called rapists, because they embody the masculine norms that are said to cause this.

Dunkolunko · 2020-08-01T07:02:27+00:00

Could you elaborate?

Egalitarianwhistle · 2020-08-01T21:03:42+00:00

I have a hypothesis regarding this. A concept I've read about is that most women compte for the top 20% of men as sexual partners. Is it possible, that those elite men, a bit spoiled by the surfeit of choices, may have a tendency to become a bit cruel and misogynistic? And if so, is there a possible bias from women wherein they think all the men they desire sexually have a tendency to mistreat them and others. Therefore I can safely assume all men are like this.

I don't know what bais that is. Possibly Apex fallacy. Like the wealthiest men probably do have a tendency to treat women like shit, because they can since there are always other women to take their place.

So women treat this baseline of how their romantic partners treat them and then exrapolate that all men are misogynistic asssholes, when really they just self select for them.

TL;Dr is it possible that social sexual dynamics fuel resentment towards all men based on the shitty behaviour of the elite?

If I've strayed too far into Red pill territory, I'm happy to walk it back. This is just a pet hypothesis and I would be happy to be proven wrong. Furthermore, I am in a longterm relationship so don't really have any skin in the game.

Flaktrack · 2020-08-01T09:39:34+00:00

Feminism and a decent chunk of socialism are dominated by middle and upper class professionals looking for their slice of the pie. That's why you see things like a push for more female/minority CEOs rather than a push for the ground-level stuff that will actually improve the material condition of women, minorities, and the poor: unions, Medicare, universal basic income, cheap or free education, maternity leave with retraining options...

Put simply, these people are not your friends and allies, they are scum climbing onto our shoulders and making us carry their weight while saying "this is for your own good". Do not believe them (though if you did, you probably wouldn't be here).

2020-08-03T02:32:21+00:00

The current system allows for women to compete for the top % of men in the world. Despite voting more left on average in the US, if one were to advocate true leftist policies, women would be very much against it, as it would lower their chance at higher quality men.

Remember as high as 40% of men do not reproduce anymore. This system is in place by apex men and the vast majority of women.

Just remember, men with higher education are less likely to be chosen by a women to reproduce.

Source: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/mens-fertility.html

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