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Feminist discusses women giving birth to patriarchal oppressors in ancient Greece.

Egalitarianwhistle

June 3, 2020

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Title	Feminist discusses women giving birth to patriarchal oppressors in ancient Greece.
Author	Egalitarianwhistle
Upvotes	12
Comments	7
Date	June 3, 2020 1:17 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

"...and ready to produce a whole new generation of patriarchal male oppressors."

Really?

Also it seems to suggest that Greek infanticide was predominantly female and there's no evidence for that. Ancient infanticide was almost always motivated by disfigurement, whether boy or girl.

If you recall that only about half of children survived to adulthood, the average ancient woman needed to bear at least four children just to maintain the population. That sucks, but those were the constraints placed upon women by the threat of tribal extinction.

edit: In that sense, rather than victims of patriarchal oppression, I don't see why women don't paint themselves as the heroes of history. Without their gruelling labor, humanity literally would not exist. Bearing and raising four children is a life's work, equally heroic with men who mined several tons of silver or copper as their life's work.

I do wonder about women in history. I enjoyed this article but could do without the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy.

[–]Strikester101 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]locnlol 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea but wikipedia has some interesting tidbits : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Asia

Contemporary writers from the Song dynasty note that, in Hubei and Fujian provinces, residents would only keep three sons and two daughters (among poor farmers, two sons, and one daughter), and kill all babies beyond that number at birth.[67] Initially the sex of the child was only one factor to consider. By the time of the Ming Dynasty, however (1368–1644), male infanticide was becoming increasingly uncommon. The prevalence of female infanticide remained high much longer. The magnitude of this practice is subject to some dispute; however, one commonly quoted estimate is that, by late Qing, between one fifth and one-quarter of all newborn girls, across the entire social spectrum, were victims of infanticide. If one includes excess mortality among female children under 10 (ascribed to gender-differential neglect), the share of victims rises to one third.[

compare and contrast :

Since feudal Edo era Japan the common slang for infanticide was "mabiki" (間引き) which means to pull plants from an overcrowded garden. A typical method in Japan was smothering through wet paper on the baby's mouth and nose.[81] It became common as a method of population control. Farmers would often kill their second or third sons. Daughters were usually spared, as they could be married off, sold off as servants or prostitutes, or sent off to become geishas.[82] Mabiki persisted in the 19th century and early 20th century.[83] To bear twins was perceived as barbarous and unlucky and efforts were made to hide or kill one or both twins.[84]