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"Ladies First" Or "Prioritizing women" Are Sexist!

FitLengthiness5244 · 2022-03-16T01:36:28+00:00

Prioritizing women is the sentence that I hate the most. Recalling the sinking of the Titanic, women and children were given priority to board lifeboats, men...

FitLengthiness5244

March 16, 2022

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Title	"Ladies First" Or "Prioritizing women" Are Sexist!
Author	FitLengthiness5244
Upvotes	38
Comments	11
Date	March 16, 2022 1:36 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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Hi - Democrat here - please list three "feminists" from the right-wing. I'll wait.

I had said traditionalists (both left wing and right wing), not "feminists (both left wing and right wing)".

Since you asked though, there's a list of conservative feminists here, which includes Sarah Palin and Theresa May:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conservative_feminisms

https://qz.com/997788/why-dont-feminist-celebrate-the-successes-of-rightwing-female-politicians/

https://canlitguides.ca/canlit-guides-editorial-team/postfeminism-and-conservative-feminism/conservative-feminism/

You can see right wing female politicians in Europe talking about male refugees and their threat to women's safety. They would probably qualify as right wing feminists, as they advance policy while using feminist talking points about women's safety. Same goes for feminists that talk about male immigration or claim that certain religions are keeping back women's rights. The boundaries between their rhetoric and traditionalists are blurred, because feminists and traditionalists are not actually that far apart in many regards.

https://www.alessandrabocchi.com/portfolio-articoli/the-rise-of-right-wing-feminism-in-france/

As another example, see right wing female politicians that claim how criticisms of them are "misogyny", which is another clearly feminist tactic (accusing male opponents of misogyny for criticism).

Many right wingers proclaim that they see the first and second forms of feminism as valid and believe that women are oppressed outside of western countries. This is again a feminist view, making them feminists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6Yuz9gvlM

I ask because I don't see any on the right

Many conservatives that are feminists won't publicly call themselves that, as to pander to their base that doesn't like the stereotypical idea of feminism (the bra burner, radical feminist separatist type of feminist) when they hear the word "feminist" .

You don't have to say you are a feminist to be one. If you hold clearly feminist views and priorities, you are a feminist.

Right wing feminists (just like other feminists) will often hold views around women's empowerment and praise women as just as capable as men while demanding more laws that favor women or pushing back against laws that don't privilege them. There were many such republican feminists that supported keeping conscription male only for example last year in the US Congress.

There are right wing feminists that are against prostitution who team up with traditionalists to outlaw it.

https://politicalresearch.org/2018/08/13/beyond-strange-bedfellows

All I see are Texans outlawing abortions/choice

There are pro-life feminists that are in favor of such decisions:

https://19thnews.org/2021/11/pro-life-feminists-supreme-court/

Pro-life feminists are for obvious reasons, more prevalent on the right wing.

Texas also made prostitution a felony last year, which is not necessarily an anti-feminist policy given how many feminists are against prostitution and see it as "exploitation of women" and "sex trafficking" (a reason given for instituting the harsher penalties too):

https://www.dallasjustice.com/buying-sex-in-texas-texas-is-first-state-in-usa-to-make-solicitation-of-prostitution-a-felony-offense/

Many of the first feminists were against abortion, so there have been conservative feminists from the start:

https://humandefense.com/the-original-feminists-were-pro-life/

Floridians outlawing feminist conversation (don't say "Gay")

Feminists don't have the monopoly on gay issues or tolerance of those issues, they only make it seem like they do to co-opt all progressive issues and claim they are feminist issues. The "don't say gay" thing you are referring to is likely motivated by people in the republican party that don't like to see anything outside of the model of the straight, traditional nuclear family. It doesn't have anything to do with feminist conversation.

There are probably homophobic feminists with similar such views (and you'll find them more vocally among TERFs especially, who have very socially conservative views (see the TERF to tradewife pipeline, the bashing of "leftist men" on feminists subs like fds and fourthwavewomen), but they aren't likely to reveal themselves as such most of the time, partly because they want to keep up appearances of feminism being an inclusive movement that has a monopoly on gay issues.

Trump supporters turning a blind eye to grabbing women "by the pussy"

The views of Trump supporters don't represent the views all conservatives or republicans. And the full quote they are trying a blind eye to is:

"When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.", implying that they don't care too much about Trump engaging in such an action when the woman he is engaging with seems not to mind (which to them implies consent, again, with no opposition to any first or second wave feminist ideas).

There may not be many anti nuclear family, feminist separatists among the right wing, but there are still plenty of people among the right wing that believe that first and second wave feminism was valid and repeat the same feminist talking points from these movements, making them feminists.

Also see the posts on this blog drawing parallels between the right wing and feminists: https://criticathink.wordpress.com/2021/07/28/two-failed-strategies-used-by-mrm/

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