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Change.org

ThumpingBump

May 3, 2022
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https://www.change.org/p/make-uk-rape-law-include-forced-to-penetrate-to-acknowledge-male-victims?redirect=false
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Title Change.org
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ThumpingBump

Upvotes 3
Comments 8
Date May 3, 2022 2:33 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uh65tc/changeorg/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/changeorg.1115793
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[–]JosephsonAdam 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Canadian law dropped the term 'rape' and now just refers to sexual assault which includes both rape and forced to penetrate.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A quick google did not help, can you tell me how SA is defined in Canada? Is it something that can only be committed by a man?

[–]JosephsonAdam 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-271.html

It covers any unwanted sexual experience regardless of sex all the way up to include rape.

At least it's gender-neutral in the law books, which us a start.

Now we just need to ensure that it's applied equally.

Canadian law has no separate law for rape. Rape just falls under sexual assault.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, but this does not define what constitutes SA in Canada.

  • Sexual assault

  • 271 Everyone who commits a sexual assault is guilty of

  • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years or, if the complainant is under the age of 16 years, to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

  • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months or, if the complainant is under the age of 16 years, to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.

[–]JosephsonAdam 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

http://www.criminal-code.ca/criminal-code-of-canada-section-271-sexual-assault/

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I still don't see anything giving the legal definition of Sexual Assault.

In fact, it appears to be so vaguely defined that almost anything might be SA.

  • EXPLANATION

  • Section 271 of the Criminal Code sets out the offence of sexual assault. This offence replaced the more stringent offence of "rape" which no longer appears in Canada's Code. Sexual assault, is defined broadly as any assault (as defined in section 265 of the Code) that transpires in circumstances of a sexual nature. Unfortunately, due to the broad drafting of section 271, there is little way to distinguish an outright rape from a mere transient touching when a 271 appears on an accused's record. More specific sexual offence do exist within the Code, for example at sections 151, 152 and 153. Recently, parliament enacted mandatory minimums where a victim is under the age of 16.

  • COMMENTARY

  • The offence of sexual assault captures an extremely wide range of behaviour. Any physical application of force that is not consensual, and is done in circumstances of a sexual nature, can constitute a sexual assault. Examples include anything from slapping someone on the buttocks at a bar, all the way to an outright rape. Cases often arise where intoxication of the complainant and accused is at issue. Intoxication can vitiate a person's consent if sufficient, however intoxication cannot absolve a person of criminal responsibility unless they were drunk to the point of automatism. These defences are extremely nuanced and complicated. If you find yourself accused of this crime, you should contact a criminal defence lawyer immediately.

It's also odd that while there is no longer a crime called rape, the Canadian web pages talk about it more often than SA.

[–]JosephsonAdam 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You read it correctly. The law doesn't impose a clear definition, which ensures that things like forced to penetrate won't be excluded. Rape, forced to penetrate, all of these just fall under the same broad definition along with slapping someone's butt or groping a person.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The law doesn't impose a clear definition, which ensures that things like forced to penetrate won't be excluded.

How does it do that?

And traditionally all a woman who rapes a man need do is claim that he raped her. It is all but legal for a woman to rape a man today, at least as long as he is not underage, and even then she typically gets a slap on the wrist.

Rape, forced to penetrate, all of these just fall under the same broad definition along with slapping someone's butt or groping a person.

Why does a vague definition of rape seem more likely to make everything rape than restrict prosecutions?

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