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The most attractive apparent fat mass for female bodies was significantly lower than the healthiest appearing fat mass (and was lower than the physiologically healthy range), with no significant difference for muscle mass.

RSDevotion1

November 8, 2022
56 upvotes
/r/BlackPillScience
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27257677/
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Title The most attractive apparent fat mass for female bodies was significantly lower than the healthiest appearing fat mass (and was lower than the physiologically healthy range), with no significant difference for muscle mass.
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RSDevotion1

Upvotes 56
Comments 22
Date November 8, 2022 10:36 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/BlackPillScience
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https://theredarchive.com/post/1139323
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Comments

[–]Reasonable-Steak1848 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

What does this mean?

[–]SuperSupremeKai 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Both men and women prefer less fat on women. Even lower than what's considered healthy and normal.

[–]Lao_Shan_Lung 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same with male bodies. Nothing new.

[–]MelodiousTones 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is not true for men. This is obvious. If you have something that proves otherwise I’d like to see it.

[–]SuperSupremeKai 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Thirty female and 33 male observers were instructed to manipulate 15 female and 15 male body images in terms of their fat and muscle to optimise perceived health and, separately, attractiveness.

This is from the study itself. Both sexes preferred women with less fat.

[–]MelodiousTones 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And what do people prefer men to have? Do they prefer them to be unhealthy too?

[–]SuperSupremeKai 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Dude, just open the paper and just read the abstract. Here:

The optimal fat and muscle mass for men's bodies was in line with the healthy range. Male observers preferred a significantly lower overall male body mass than did female observers.

[–]MelodiousTones -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes so women are preferred to be unhealthy and men are preferred to be healthy. Do you not see the problem there that puts women at risk?

[–]SuperSupremeKai 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4892674/bin/pone.0156722.g004.jpg

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They're not advocating for Anorexia, nor are they stating anything of their own. They're simply stating their findings of their small sample size of people.

[–]MelodiousTones -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what does that mean? That the study’s findings are valid or not?

The study suggests mainstream beauty standards are physically harmful to women. Given the gendered nature of eating disorders and plastic surgery, I’m going to agree.

Men are not subject to beauty standards that put them at health risks. This is the implication for men.

We need to continue to change and and challenge beauty standards that put womens’ health at risk.

[–]SuperSupremeKai 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what does that mean? That the study’s findings are valid or not?

Them not advocating for something doesn't mean the study's invalid. I consider it invalid due to the small sample size of 63. Well, if it isn't invalid, then at least not representative of a sizable population.

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The study suggests mainstream beauty standards are physically harmful to women. Given the gendered nature of eating disorders and plastic surgery, I’m going to agree.

Please quote the study that suggests this idea.

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Men are not subject to beauty standards that put them at health risks. This is the implication for men.

True, but women aren't placed in front of a train, you know? At least those who participated in this study don't think so. Even you stated this earlier; that different people have different tastes.

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We need to continue to change and and challenge beauty standards that put womens’ health at risk.

Agreed.

[–]MelodiousTones 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It means beauty standards are not healthy for women.

[–]ridak554 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao i like how women can even turn blackpill into something that benefits them

[–]MelodiousTones 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s what it says.

[–]ThornyFinger 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Science is science. You may dispute the claim, but this is absolutely what the title says. Idealistically, we would prefer the healthy amount of fat. Right? However, you might ask yourself whether our tools for evaluating an healthy amount of fat mass is correct for everybody.

[–]RSDevotion1[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both male and female observers chose significantly less fat mass to optimise the attractiveness of women’s bodies than to optimise the healthy appearance of women’s bodies. This suggests that previous studies’ findings of lower BMI preference to optimise attractiveness than to optimise healthy appearance of women’s bodies is driven by a preference for lower fat, rather than lower muscle mass.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892674/

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t know if I would call that a perfect study

[–]SuperSupremeKai 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Extremely small sample size (63). It obviously isn't perfect.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So basically anorexia is a beauty standard?

[–]SuperSupremeKai 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If having around 16-20% body fat is considered anorexic, then yes.

[–]ridak554 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not surprising since on men there is demand for 8-10% bf which makes you feel like shit and a lot weaker.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I just googled it and its supposed to be 21 percent to be healthy for women. Therefore being anorexic or skinny doesn't mean healthy then...

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