"Fan service is sexism."

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-11-27T21:24:40+00:00

If it exist, it sexist.

- Feminists

Unnecessary_Timeline · 2022-11-27T23:27:40+00:00

Warning: Way too long and unsolicited opinion/rant incoming:

Some of these quotes are certainly more rational than others.

A producer-director said to me, 'Well, you know how it is in these big tentpole movies with the big boys. This is the budget for the girl, and we can't move beyond that,'

If the target demo for a generic action flick is 18-39 y/o males…I don’t know what to tell you lady. Everyone in the movie is a prop, it’s probably not a movie with complex characters. They’re casting to the audience, if you don’t like the limitations of the genre then stop auditioning for those roles!

It will say 'Derek: intelligent, good with kids, funny, really good at this,' and then it will say 'Sandra: hot in a sort of cute way' — and that’s all you get.

Ok…again…then don’t try out for those roles? Stop validating shitty writers and shitty directors by getting paid to perform their shitty scripts.

Also, do they have any idea how many jobs normal people have to take that we don’t like and feel are demeaning until we can get a well paid job we like?? A LOT!

Nobody dreams of being a retail restocker as a child, but you have to start somewhere! Sure we all complain about shitty job experiences, but don’t act like you’re standing up for some righteous cause when you talk about a one-dimensional TV role you took, as if its more demeaning or dehumanizing work than being a busboy or a sign-flipper at the corner of an intersection. You’re not some martyr for taking shit acting roles.

The first shot is going to be…You’re going to think it’s, like, yellow lines down a road, and you pull back, and you realize it’s the stitching, because the denim is so tight on your ass it’s going to look like tarmac.' I was like, 'Oh, I don’t think we’re going to go down this road together.'"

Ok goddamn, that one is pretty egregious. I don’t think a woman should be shamed if she is totally fine with that idea, but if she’s not then I think it’s a pretty valid reason to walk away! Once again we return to…don’t take the role if you don’t like it, or deal with the shit job to move up the ladder like every NORMAL PERSON has to!

'Kate wasn’t so attractive that she would alienate the female audience.' He kept saying it everywhere we went, and we went to a lot of places."

I think that is a valid reason to hire someone in a role if the role is more of a vehicle for the viewer to put themselves in. For example, Katniss Everdeen in Hunger Games was very much a “vehicle” for the viewer, as was Bella in Twilight. That’s why they both had mostly bland personalities and more “plain” looks (not that the actresses are plain looking, I think they were purposefully made to look more plain than they are IRL). I think it’s true that too attractive of a female lead for these “viewer vehicle” roles makes it harder for women to see themselves in it.

On the other hand, I think men see those “vehicle” roles differently. I think men prefer a character vehicle that they wish they were, not something they already can see themselves as. For example, Tyler Durden or 007. But we do also get the occasional “plain” character too, like Neo in The Matrix (I think he is damn near the very definition of a character vehicle).

However, back to the quote…while being “not alienating-ly attractive” is a valid reason to cast someone in one of these roles, I could see how insulting it could be to be told that directly.

Tl;dr: Some valid opinions in the article but overall, privileged rich people complaining about rich people things. Go back to your country clubs where you belong.

DRAKE-ZERO · 2022-11-28T07:50:54+00:00

Fanservice exist in a male character, no one bats an eye.

Fanservice exist in a female character, every feminist in the world: "SEXISM"

TheSnesLord · 2022-11-30T00:43:25+00:00

Unless it's male fanservice for the female audience to ogle at of course, then all of a sudden it's just a "male power fantasy" and/or "power dynamics mean that men cannot objectified" and/or "positive discrimination".

Title	"Fan service is sexism."
Author	Wild_Aioli
Upvotes	8
Comments	7
Date	November 27, 2022 8:00 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
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